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robertthibodeau: hey buddy how you doing.

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james murez: Good how are you.

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robertthibodeau: Good you stand healthy.

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james murez: Trying.

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robertthibodeau: yeah it's crazy right now.

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robertthibodeau: Trying to manage a small business with people being exposed to other people is just.

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robertthibodeau: wacky.

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Jonathan Deer: don't look at the man behind the curtain.

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james murez: Who wants to be hosting who wants to be co host.

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Jonathan Deer: Proper can be host and i'll be co host.

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robertthibodeau: And i'm happy either way yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: me too.

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robertthibodeau: we're gonna keep this one pretty quick that.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah there's not much going on.

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robertthibodeau: Jim I do want to well I don't want to go into business now, but I do want to go into your.

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robertthibodeau: Remote parking a little bit.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: I like I like your mm.

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robertthibodeau: not exclusively right.

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Jonathan Deer: gotta go gotta get light on your door gems.

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james murez: Oh.

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robertthibodeau: Very no more.

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james murez: I have, I have the end.

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james murez: I have the attendee list open and I was I can't really see the screen behind.

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Jonathan Deer: Maybe maybe we'll.

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Jonathan Deer: Get you set up oh like.

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james murez: Now that now that is hosted you are co host you guys have to bring in the rest of the committee.

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robertthibodeau: i'm trying to see right now participants panelists three if you.

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james murez: want people to share screens you got to go down to the share screen thing.

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Jonathan Deer: If that Robert if that's a big pain in the neck for you, he can switch us around I don't really care.

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robertthibodeau: we've got Erica and Isabel in the audience, but I do not see our other our other.

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robertthibodeau: We need one more person.

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yep.

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robertthibodeau: allison selena I do not have their phone numbers, or I would have texted them is I did text, but I don't see her on here.

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Jonathan Deer: Everybody have a good new year.

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james murez: Oh boy oh boy yeah.

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It was quiet.

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Jonathan Deer: You.

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james murez: Somebody has sound effects.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah i've got I have my obnoxious side effects on.

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Jonathan Deer: Oh it's gone now on.

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Jonathan Deer: I have an international transaction going on right now so nobody cares if it's evening because it's not for most of the bonnet so.

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Jonathan Deer: There when they whatsapp me I need to have a really obnoxious knowing, so I know they're trying to reach out.

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james murez: So I just found out on on on the, the most recent iPhone I update that I have that there's a way of now creating do not disturb lists.

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james murez: And you call.

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james murez: And to turn off automatically at a particular point in time so like tomorrow morning at seven o'clock do not disturb can come off and it's an interesting new feature.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah I have, I have this thing that traditional do not disturb it's been on there for a while that.

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Jonathan Deer: Anyone you suddenly.

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james murez: You said, my generations a lot older than yours yeah I think this is an iPhone five hours.

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Jonathan Deer: Oh yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: Well, I have my I have an iPhone five here that I use.

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Jonathan Deer: here's my iPhone five that you help me fix remember Jimmy help me fix this all day.

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Jonathan Deer: Long.

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james murez: I don't remember it but it's totally.

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Jonathan Deer: Possible years ago you helped me change the screen on it, but I I retired it eventually, and now I use it to stream music in my backyard.

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james murez: There you go.

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robertthibodeau: Elizabeth has been promoted to a panelist.

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Jonathan Deer: All right.

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Jonathan Deer: We should promotion.

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robertthibodeau: yeah you got to promotional as the.

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robertthibodeau: And then we're.

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robertthibodeau: I hadn't heard.

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Jonathan Deer: It no yeah.

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robertthibodeau: I hadn't heard your music or negative from.

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robertthibodeau: From selena or.

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Jonathan Deer: allison so let's give them.

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robertthibodeau: A couple more minutes and see.

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Jonathan Deer: positive or negative that.

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Jonathan Deer: sounds like a coven test.

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robertthibodeau: it's all I dealt with this morning.

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Jonathan Deer: Oh no what.

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robertthibodeau: I have employees.

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robertthibodeau: Right yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: And you know and you're actually together, where we're mostly separate this week.

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robertthibodeau: I think we're going to be separate as of tomorrow I think i'm going to shut it down.

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Jonathan Deer: My my office manager has tested positive with zero symptoms she's triple backs but she's been out for since Christmas she keeps testing positive so.

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james murez: that's no.

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robertthibodeau: it's not funny I mean so yeah my employees, inevitably, like a brother or a guest at Christmas or something ends up testing positive and they don't really know if they were at Christmas so.

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robertthibodeau: um yeah can't come in until you got a negative.

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Jonathan Deer: test right.

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Jonathan Deer: and fortunately.

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Jonathan Deer: In our, at least in my business say everybody can work from home fine so.

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Elizabeth Clay: lost another encampment clean up because so many park Rangers are down.

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Elizabeth Clay: Right yeah for them.

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Jonathan Deer: They can do that remotely.

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robertthibodeau: When you text allison if you've got her number I don't have her number and just see if she's going to make it.

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james murez: Can.

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robertthibodeau: Be on she just she just I just promoted her.

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james murez: So I just texted her.

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robertthibodeau: Thanks.

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robertthibodeau: i'm good give her another minute or two and then we'll call the meeting to order.

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robertthibodeau: And we don't have a big agenda tonight it.

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robertthibodeau: Right.

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robertthibodeau: Right.

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robertthibodeau: allison's waiting since we have a full House all right or mode two panelists.

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robertthibodeau: So we have everybody.

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robertthibodeau: It Hello allison.

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Jonathan Deer: Your mute.

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robertthibodeau: it's all good.

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robertthibodeau: Everyone Happy New.

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robertthibodeau: Year.

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Happy New Year.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, it is seven of three calling the meeting to order.

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robertthibodeau: Co hosting with Mr dear.

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robertthibodeau: and

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robertthibodeau: We don't need to read the updates, these are just part of the online thing right at 361 update john we don't need to actually read that or do we.

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Jonathan Deer: Correct we do not, as long as it's on the agenda, or we satisfied our obligation.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so I guess the next thing is to do roll call you want to do the roll call.

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Jonathan Deer: sure.

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Jonathan Deer: Oh yeah I can see, so I marked it.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, everybody has presence so we've got everybody present.

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james murez: You have you have to do actual role calls.

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Jonathan Deer: You do okay Robert.

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Jonathan Deer: Elizabeth.

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Jonathan Deer: Here selena.

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Selena Inouye: here.

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Alyson Wilson: allison here.

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Jonathan Deer: And Jim do I take your role.

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james murez: You can I make soapy show or whatever, though.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah so all right you're here.

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james murez: i'm here.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay, great.

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james murez: hi everyone happy New Year.

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robertthibodeau: Does okay move into number three does anybody have any comments on the.

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robertthibodeau: minutes from the prior meeting.

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robertthibodeau: Seeing none, I think.

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robertthibodeau: I would see if your hands were raised all of you, I think i'm going to make a motion to approve.

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robertthibodeau: The Minutes from the last meeting.

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james murez: i'm excuse me again for interrupting.

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james murez: Absolutely okay chairs of committees are not allowed to make motions.

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robertthibodeau: And we have a motion.

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To approve the Minutes.

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robertthibodeau: All right, do we do this, a handbook Jim.

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james murez: yeah you have to you have to do what's called the roll call vote so whoever's recording whoever's taking the Minutes.

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james murez: that's me they need to call each person, the person needs to respond and there's no talking during the period of time that the roll call is being taken, other than the Yang Stan.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay, Robert.

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Jonathan Deer: yay allison.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes, selena.

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Elizabeth Clay: Yes, yes.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so number four, I assume that the committee file was the Minutes correct.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes, that's right that's right oh.

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robertthibodeau: that's all good just make sure i'm not skipping something.

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robertthibodeau: So then moving on to number five we have public comment non agenda items related to parking and transportation committee.

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robertthibodeau: Only.

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robertthibodeau: Helen Erica Evan Isabelle Tommy would anybody like to share anything with us.

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robertthibodeau: I see a hand up Evan.

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robertthibodeau: You are live.

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Evan Corrigan: hey there can you hear me.

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robertthibodeau: Can yes.

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Evan Corrigan: hey I just saw a notice on your agenda, I think, last year about applying to the committee.

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Evan Corrigan: Is that still open position.

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robertthibodeau: It can be.

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robertthibodeau: We don't I don't think we really have a limit or a formal application process that i'm aware of, so if you're interested why don't you email myself and john and we'll get john.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay, and just you know for anyone that's interested in the main issue is, we need a quorum each time we meet, and so the more people that say they want to participate, the larger the core requirement gets.

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Jonathan Deer: So we want it, you know, we want to make sure that anyone who wants to participate and yo is committed to being here every month.

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Elizabeth Clay: That is a little background on themselves, like well, we have him on the call.

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Evan Corrigan: background on myself heaven.

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Evan Corrigan: yeah so I used to live in Venice several years ago, also grows with SAP and just came back.

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Evan Corrigan: Just me back actually last month my partner i'm an interactive designer by trade, but I have a strong interest in urban planning and I guess public transportation biking just general walkability.

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Evan Corrigan: Just you know, helping make the neighborhood a better place.

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Jonathan Deer: And, have you been to Venice neighborhood Council meetings before.

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Evan Corrigan: Yes, online, but not in person.

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Evan Corrigan: When I lived here before I was much younger.

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Evan Corrigan: I think.

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Evan Corrigan: You know yeah I got back with you guys have just been online, since I can.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay, and have you been to the actual neighborhood Council meetings, still the large Tuesday meetings.

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Evan Corrigan: in person.

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Jonathan Deer: Now it doesn't matter, however, you.

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Evan Corrigan: yeah yeah, then the the the Tuesday meetings.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay.

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robertthibodeau: I mean i'm all for it, I like participation so i'm all for it, do you have our emails.

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Evan Corrigan: No, can I find that on the side.

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robertthibodeau: You probably can I give them to you here to.

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Jonathan Deer: Sir okay give out the the official committee email, and then, then they can email, and it will go How does that work Jim.

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james murez: um well Roberts identity is listed on the dnc website, as Robert condo at Venice nc.org.

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Jonathan Deer: All right, that's yeah that's where to send it that's perfect.

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robertthibodeau: john scream your email out on the air here, I promise.

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robertthibodeau: yeah so Robert kimbo that's Th I do D you I think it's on the screen there's a.in there and then it's at Venice and si.org.

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Evan Corrigan: Great Thank you very much.

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robertthibodeau: No problem, thank you for being interested.

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Evan Corrigan: yeah yeah.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so Evan i'm going to.

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robertthibodeau: Well, maybe you can lower your own hand and if that's what you got for now.

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robertthibodeau: And anybody else.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, seeing none.

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robertthibodeau: The menu tonight is frankly.

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robertthibodeau: A lot of.

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james murez: Older things.

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robertthibodeau: If item seven through.

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robertthibodeau: 11.

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robertthibodeau: Are the reason that people showed up.

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robertthibodeau: Could you raise your hand and then I will move those Isabel see your hand very good, I will move those items to the front so let's get Isabel unmuted.

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Isabelle Duvivier: hey guys.

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robertthibodeau: see if I did, that right, yes, I think I did okay hi Isabel.

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robertthibodeau: hey item, would you like to.

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Isabelle Duvivier: i'm just interested in that Community planet date and i'm sorry that I haven't been to your meetings in a long time so maybe you're not actually talking much about it.

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robertthibodeau: But I was actually the one we were going to roll into, I just wanted to make sure no one was sitting on you know something they wanted to say about.

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robertthibodeau: You know the speed bumps or any of that stuff and then it's I didn't want them to have to sit through the Community plan update stuff.

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robertthibodeau: If they had something quick to say, on the other things, and so I figured I checked out and then we'd roll into six and really use us about an hour to talk about our goals for the Community plant and it's.

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robertthibodeau: Thanks to if that's okay let's that, let me see what Helen what Helens thinking here too and Isabel and then we'll move it into their Community plan discussion.

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robertthibodeau: hold on one second okay i'm gonna mute you for a second visible.

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robertthibodeau: And i'm going to allow you to talk.

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Helen Fallon: I was attacked, because I wanted to address the issue about the property an older.

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Helen Fallon: Oh, also to allow many parking spaces.

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robertthibodeau: Does anybody have an objection to moving then mildred because I think that'll be relatively short and then we'll do the Community plan after not fill time pressured.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so seeing know jackson's Helen that's me that's to what you got to say.

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Helen Fallon: i'm sure, well, I have no idea who's proposing this I understand there was some objections by always one property owner i'm assuming it's coming from the property developer.

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Helen Fallon: At that corner because they're using part of the public easement as part of their setback, frankly, I think the sidewalks should be extended.

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Helen Fallon: And the idea of eliminating parking spaces makes no sense, I think, if anything.

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Helen Fallon: We should be asking for sidewalk to be put in there because there's a public business that's not being used, I think the developer would probably very happy to have.

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Helen Fallon: No cars parked there since developments going to be closer to the street, and it should be, but he's gotten the variance.

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Helen Fallon: So I don't understand what this is all about, and why it even needs to be done and and.

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Helen Fallon: And the development going in there has a shortage of parking spaces, too, because it's one of those kind of to see things where we don't have to have as many parking spaces, so we shouldn't be losing parking spaces.

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Jonathan Deer: This just by way of background we can tell you this was proposed by a resident in the silver triangle, which is.

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Jonathan Deer: Where I live and the purpose is that that corner and mildred is very congested a lot of the time when cars are parked on both sides, you can cars can't fit through two ways and cars are turning off of.

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Jonathan Deer: ocean right onto there so that was that was proposed the I don't know if that property owner weighed in Robert you You might recall it the owner, the current owner of the former Mr kim's objected to it and.

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Jonathan Deer: and Robert I don't I don't recall it did the the person doing that development, on the other side of the street way and.

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robertthibodeau: contacting I tried contacting the developer at the corner and did not hear back that I believe Brian who I think Helen who you know also, so there is a REP for that project, so I reached out to Brian once or twice even and didn't hear back if they had an opinion on it.

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robertthibodeau: The realtor who raps the Mr kim's property.

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robertthibodeau: did reach out to me and say that they were opposed to removing parking, on the other side of the street and they thought other things should be done first.

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robertthibodeau: kind of along the lines that you're talking about which would be trimming back the existing hedges and which.

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robertthibodeau: are fairly overgrown and pulling the fence backs of sidewalk could be used, I do not know where the property lines are there and I do not know with the planning case, which I think was filed fairly recently.

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robertthibodeau: If there will be.

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robertthibodeau: What do you call it a street improvements required as part of the project, a lot of times when you do larger projects like that do we will require will make as part of the.

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robertthibodeau: Decision letter for the approval street improvements now I would hazard to guess that a sidewalk will be required there, I do not know that for sure.

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Jonathan Deer: Interestingly, the day after our meeting they that somebody I preserve that property owner trimmed though his head had just back right and then second time since then, so I don't know if he's related to this motion or or what caused it but i'm happy to say.

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robertthibodeau: And and just.

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robertthibodeau: so that you know how and this wasn't.

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robertthibodeau: proposed by either of the neighboring property owners in the suggestion I don't know.

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robertthibodeau: If you attended that one you usually are fairly good with attendance on our meetings.

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robertthibodeau: The it was from a stakeholder on Clement and who felt that there was a dangerous situation is john related.

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robertthibodeau: The Board hasn't taken the excuse me, the committee has not taken a position on it our position was that they needed to do further outreach with the property owners before we would even entertain a motion.

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robertthibodeau: And i'd frankly like to see what's going to happen with the planning case, to be honest with you, I have a feeling they'll be in front of us again but or maybe not.

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Helen Fallon: I make a suggestion.

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Helen Fallon: Absolutely, on the other option could be on ocean, they did that, where they cut into the you know they made parking like pushing into the sidewalk area.

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Helen Fallon: And so that could be another option there, instead of you know just eliminating the parking is never going to use that easement for sidewalk and Baker.

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Helen Fallon: A wide the street, you can still have parking there and then he released out to you know the full lanes does that you know what i'm talking about.

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Helen Fallon: Maybe that would be helpful for everybody, no it's all the safety issue keeps the parking if we're never really going to see a sidewalk there.

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robertthibodeau: I have a feeling, you will see a sidewalk they're.

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Helen Fallon: I mean they're shipping, because it should extend from the rest of the street, if you look at the St Louis.

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Helen Fallon: aside what further.

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robertthibodeau: it's it's a little intermittent on that side of the.

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robertthibodeau: street, but I, I have a feeling they're going to be required to put a sidewalk in and I That would be my guest knowing do we.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah we had we had a plan before us, but we were focused on a different issue and I don't recall does anyone recall it when we saw the plan for that property and had a sidewalk back there.

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Helen Fallon: I didn't I remember.

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robertthibodeau: I don't remember, I was yeah we were focused on the side around on what is that Washington way and I don't believe we focused on the back so much, if you want to call that the back.

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robertthibodeau: I did reach when I reached out, I asked them if they can provide a plan, they may again, I did not hear back, I can reach out to Brian again and see if there's maybe something.

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robertthibodeau: available at some point, there will be a plan available just because it'll be posted on the planning side, but I believe they hadn't.

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robertthibodeau: submitted to planning and but now that that now, they have so there may be something if you look up the address, and then you go into cms and put the case number if they've been assigned a case number she may or may not have been because this stuff is very slow to processes days.

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robertthibodeau: But i'll take a look i'll take a look at all i'm pretty sure I have your email if I find it Helen i'll email it to you.

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robertthibodeau: um any other public comment, since we're having sort of a little bit of back and forth, because we don't think we're gonna have emotion anyway on mildred did any anybody else want to speak on mildred are we good to move off of this.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, seeing on i'm going to move up to item six, which is the Community plan updates and.

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robertthibodeau: What i'd like to do is create a short list of.

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robertthibodeau: kind of.

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robertthibodeau: priorities that come from our committee that we can share with.

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robertthibodeau: what's her name, again I know it and i'm blanking on it right now.

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robertthibodeau: Jim what's the woman's name, who works for the planning department is kind of overseeing this stuff I want to say.

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robertthibodeau: Laura Laura macpherson.

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robertthibodeau: run Pearson right and.

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robertthibodeau: So.

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robertthibodeau: Things like.

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robertthibodeau: You know walkability alternate forms of transportation as Evan if you're I think you're still on mentioned earlier jim's mentioned.

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robertthibodeau: possibilities of remote parking and shuttles I see your hand up Jim.

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james murez: Are you giving me the microphone, I would like to, I would like to take a historic look starting at the beginning of time and see how.

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james murez: How did circulation flow into Venice and and what was the the focal points, what was the the regions that it was passing through at the time that that the property was being occupied in a way that we approve of.

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james murez: In other words.

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james murez: Before we had sidewalks we had horses.

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james murez: And, and so where were the horse trails were which were the primary trails but we don't really have to get into the horse issues, whatever we just started at the at the point that avid Kenny created Venice and we said that in in whatever.

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james murez: When it was originally slated to be something which I think originally was was.

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james murez: A cultural Center not an amusement park and that didn't make it, but then the amusement park came along and became a visitor destination.

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james murez: And how was traffic arriving here as a visitor destination and where was the population, what was the density of the population, how did the streets and roads end up the alleys get dedicated and developed into making the Community that we have today.

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james murez: From a transportation standpoint.

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james murez: How to in transportation reach that Community so that's where I would like to start.

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james murez: And if sidewalks play into that, then so be it, I think we need to consider the urban forest it's great to see Isabel is here to talk about it.

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james murez: We have a lot to cover.

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james murez: there's a lot of information that we did in the previous five years that the Boards already approved up so that's all on the on the various minutes and notes and.

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james murez: So she.

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Elizabeth Clay: Calls notes for since the beginning of time like.

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james murez: there's a gentleman.

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james murez: there's a gentleman by the name of Jeffrey Solomon that has done a very good job of.

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james murez: Putting together photographs of how how the Community was being used at different points in time it goes, all the way up to I believe 2000 so it starts from the constructor.

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Elizabeth Clay: Is there a link maybe we could.

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james murez: there's a lot.

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Elizabeth Clay: i'm just thinking of a way to shorten.

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Elizabeth Clay: You know, good point.

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james murez: The small small books what's it called small world books on on the ocean walk I believe they carry the book.

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Jonathan Deer: Well yeah.

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james murez: And I think that's the only form i've ever seen it.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah we.

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james murez: get his permission to use photos.

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Jonathan Deer: We may want to.

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Jonathan Deer: Just do a summary not not tonight because we need to dig in and do a little work and just look at the direction the committee was moving over the last five years and and the sorts of things we passed and.

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Jonathan Deer: You know, there was a specific vision when Jim was leading us that that we had in mind, and we certainly can modify it if that's where the committee chooses to go now, but we should be aware of it and understand it.

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Jonathan Deer: And and see whether to continue in that direction and how to best do that if that's what we want to do.

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james murez: Let me.

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james murez: Let me add to that john that there's other committees that are going to be involved, for instance.

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james murez: Lou Pack has to do the portion of.

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james murez: The same plan.

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james murez: That has to go into the planning department that has to do with property density.

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james murez: And, and how is oakwood going to appear in the future maps the city is asked for four stories.

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james murez: But who knows if that's feasible they've asked for, I think it was 10 stories on Lincoln and six stories on ocean front lawn.

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james murez: So they want to see a density increase and clearly transportation has to have an integral part of that plan.

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james murez: And so I think that to think about where's that plan going to exist, we also want to look at how was the Community originally intended to be.

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james murez: In other words, you know where was the long term housing versus where was short term house and we know that a great deal of the ocean prob walk area was always vacation Rentals or weekend Rentals and so, if we're going to have that kind of density there.

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james murez: And it's going to be built up, you know where the the main highway has 10 stories these kinds of.

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james murez: Transportation things have to sort of all interactive tied together, otherwise that's going to just be total gridlock around.

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Jonathan Deer: And when what's this and then you know, last time I brought up.

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Jonathan Deer: The question and it's still have a clear my mind may have been well answered, but what what sort of time horizon is there for us to get done whatever work, we want to get done to make a meaningful impact on the.

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james murez: boy, and the boy.

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james murez: You know the city's been working on the Community plan to be adopted by the coastal Commission.

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james murez: Since the time that they began the land use plan back in the late 80s.

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james murez: So they still don't have an adopted Community plan I don't believe and then there's also a land implementation plan that it's never been developed.

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james murez: So the city has been working on a pretty much forever, but the question is, is how do we want to have it move forward and they don't have a deadline, and you know they're.

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james murez: The coastal commission's pissed off that it hasn't been done it gave him $5 million three and a half years ago and they blown at all, and we still don't have a plan so.

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Jonathan Deer: Right okay so there's no specific deadline so our work.

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Jonathan Deer: can have a meaningful impact as we complete it.

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james murez: Absolutely, I mean it would be nice if we could set targets and goals of you know, like let's say in three months from now, we would have something that we could interact with Luke Pack on.

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james murez: With the general concept plan you know I don't know there's there's different points along the way, that.

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james murez: need to all be considered social front walk Committee, want to have a say in how wishing for a walk ends up being developed.

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Jonathan Deer: But well what.

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Jonathan Deer: It, what are we aiming at in terms of how any action we take is going to.

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james murez: Okay.

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Jonathan Deer: what's it intended to effect.

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james murez: let's assume that ocean prompt block is going to be developed with ground floor commercial and and to residential units above every property for the entire front of you know ocean for a walk area.

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james murez: The density that's required for parking and the amount of foot traffic that we assume that that's going to generate.

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james murez: has to have someplace to to become a destination now if they're going to be parking at the end of the 90 freeway how many parking spaces, do we need.

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james murez: And when can we project that autonomous driving is going to play a role in this and that parking density can go way down, but in the meantime, we still have to have a flow through the Community.

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james murez: So this Pacific become one way with a wide green space and only a trolley car running on it.

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james murez: These are the kinds of decisions, we have to figure out, we also have to consider that Santa Monica has Nielsen way that dead ends into Pacific.

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james murez: And how would we redirect the traffic would it end up going back down Main Street.

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james murez: or should it just continue out on ocean park or on Pico, in other words, should we try and restrict the incoming traffic by diverting it during particular times a day peak traffic periods.

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james murez: And just use it for Community serving uses like a shuttle bus they went from parking lots of parking lot.

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james murez: that's the kind of planning, I think we weren't looking.

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Jonathan Deer: right but but in terms of and that that in terms of how anything we do has an impact on those ultimate decisions that's sort of what what i'm asking what what procedurally.

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Jonathan Deer: happens so that some motion we pass or something that happens filters into that process and has some impact on it.

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james murez: yeah I guess i'm one of those believers, that if you build it they shall come there was that movie right and they built the baseball stadium.

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james murez: In this case, we just need to build the plan, we need to show something where it's logical where it's going to work, we have to consider the various variables and we have the Olympics coming in seven years, how are we going to deal with that, as a community.

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james murez: Do we want the skate park to be on oceanfront walk.

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james murez: That would be an official venue that'd be kind of cool but, to be able to manage that we have to be able to take into consideration what are the various pieces in the elements that are going to be involved.

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james murez: nobody's going to bring that to us nobody's going to say oh sure you can have the world scape venue in Venice but.

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james murez: we're going to bus everybody and we're okay how's that gonna work where are they going to bus and where the buses going to park.

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james murez: And you know that's the kind of stuff we have if we bring that plan to them, then we may end up having escaped parking bonus if we end up bringing to the planning department how a reduction in commercial parking to zero.

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james murez: which would be managed, we may end up being able to achieve that, if we don't we sit back and wait for the city to do something I doubt it'll ever happen.

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james murez: So I think.

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james murez: The bigger the picture, the more elements we can involve the more that we can put together a cohesive plan.

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james murez: The more likely we will be able to get it passed in the near future, rather than the word distant.

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james murez: walking i've been talking way too long.

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Jonathan Deer: No that's good right and that's that's why we turn to you have lots of experience, dealing with this so Robert thoughts.

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Jonathan Deer: Robert if you're talking to us you're muted.

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robertthibodeau: Thanks sorry I was talking to my mom a second ago.

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robertthibodeau: I appreciate it, one thing I wrote down is more flexibility in terms of parking requirements and I guess how how to provide for them.

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robertthibodeau: And that, based on sort of some of the concepts of broader concepts that Jim was talking about some of the things i'd like to see what your maybe.

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robertthibodeau: Less broad but more.

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robertthibodeau: Maybe more specific to the land use stuff that I deal with is that.

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robertthibodeau: in Los Angeles, compared to other places that are also big cities.

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robertthibodeau: You get sort of caught you get caught in the parking issue a lot like one of the first ways that you look at a property.

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robertthibodeau: in Los Angeles let's talk about a commercial piece property maybe or frankly residential is you calculate how many parking spaces, you can get on a piece of property realistically and then you work backwards from there to see what you can do with it and to me.

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robertthibodeau: that's not always producing the best use in terms of what might be best in the neighborhood, for instance let's say you had a multi zone piece of prop multi you know, a piece of property zone for multi units, as we do in in much of.

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robertthibodeau: Much of an s.

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robertthibodeau: And there seems to be a demand for i'm going to call it more affordable housing, I mean certainly affordable housing, but more affordable and I think.

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robertthibodeau: You know there's a lot of objections to some of the very large residences You see, which I think are, in some ways a product of the parking.

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robertthibodeau: The parking requirements, because if you can only fit enough parking spots, to provide a single family home on a multi families own lot.

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robertthibodeau: Then you're going to you're going to by default kind of go there and you're going to get what we're seeing in like the oakwood neighborhood is a lot of sort of very large homes built where you potentially could have.

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robertthibodeau: 234 or five say you know.

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robertthibodeau: Small to maybe two bedroom apartments or you know, three bedroom apartments or singles or something like that, but you just can't do it to take it, the partner on there so.

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robertthibodeau: As.

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robertthibodeau: As much as people think that that's coming from the developers is actually coming from the code, a lot of that's coming from the code and I work for developers, so I can I can speak to it, you know, to the people I work for.

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robertthibodeau: They don't really care so much if they're putting up you know for 1100 square foot units or 140 400 square foot unit.

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robertthibodeau: But if the park was only going to allow for the 140 400 square foot unit that's what you're going to get you're going to get a lot of those and I think people are sort of over those in a way, and.

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robertthibodeau: I think part of it is that the park requirements in Venice are much higher than they are in the other parts of the city, for instance, if you build a studio unit.

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robertthibodeau: In East of Lincoln you're only required to provide half parking space for that studio unit one for one bedroom and then.

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robertthibodeau: What is it one and a half or two bedroom it's it goes by size of the unit and in in Venice it's three parking spaces required for any any size unit so we're incentive to build you know.

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robertthibodeau: where's the incentive to build that that one bedroom unit that's why we're not seeing them built and that's why the you know the rents continue to rise and and all that stuff so.

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Jonathan Deer: I lead is what is the source of the requirement of three and it's in Venice versus the other side of Lincoln.

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robertthibodeau: The specific plan, which is a product of the Community plant and so as a.

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robertthibodeau: On your property possibly you know it depends a little bit on the size of the property, but on pretty much any property, the first dwelling unit that you build into two spaces for the dwelling unit and then your need a guest space and so that's three right there and.

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robertthibodeau: My thought would be to look at that and maybe figure out a way that we could.

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robertthibodeau: make it more.

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robertthibodeau: You know, especially in the multifamily zone areas a little bit more.

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robertthibodeau: possible to come up with a formula where.

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robertthibodeau: Where you could you could build you can build more smaller units with.

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robertthibodeau: With without killing yourself on the parking so that would be one in terms of residential and I would love to.

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robertthibodeau: You know, again, this is just money, this is just me, and I see this is sort of.

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robertthibodeau: A product of where the code was out when they wrote this thing in the 70s and now sort of is maybe a little bit outmoded.

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robertthibodeau: and

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Jonathan Deer: And what is are there, people, we can ask to come speak to us to address think.

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robertthibodeau: We talked to lauren lauren macpherson and I think we should invite her to our meeting.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah but I mean.

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Jonathan Deer: I mean you know property planner type people to talk about.

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Jonathan Deer: The benefits and burdens different solutions to that problem so, for example, jim's talking about remote parking.

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Jonathan Deer: mm hmm and whether that impacts residences i'm not i'm not sure, but maybe it does, maybe it allows less parking for.

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Jonathan Deer: Residents like getting rid of the guest parking or who knows what and and other solutions what, what are the impacts if we reduce that parking and how are those impacts mitigated.

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robertthibodeau: I can speak to a little bit of that but not, you know i'm not attract traffic planner.

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robertthibodeau: nor an urban planner but a new deal with this stuff all the time, there are some mitigating things that people are looking at like in terms of bike parking is one.

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robertthibodeau: So if you do on a commercial piece of property you do change abuse and you're required more parking for the new use, you can you can offset a bit of that by providing park bite parking, and so I believe it was Evan did bring up at the beginning.

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robertthibodeau: That he was interested in alternative forms, and I would also consider the shuttle service or remote parking to jim's talking about both is alternatives.

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robertthibodeau: Right.

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Jonathan Deer: Is there you know, and I think what i'm what i'm looking for is are.

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Jonathan Deer: You know people with expertise and that kind of planning to sort of talk to us about the benefits and burdens of has those and different ideas we may not have thought of yet.

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Jonathan Deer: So, then, we have a basis to pick a direction and and know what we should be supporting and not supporting you know sort of.

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robertthibodeau: Stand up maybe he's got he's got somebody.

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james murez: So I think the model that you want to consider would be what's already been adopted by the city now they adopted such a model in in what they call a business improvement district.

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james murez: And if you did some sort of an overlay for the Community where you were going to allow it, it would be a Community overlay.

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james murez: And the person that was proposing the project that had limited parking could theoretically pay into a solution that would provide the requirement.

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james murez: In other words, you know the business improvement district is picking up a lot of the street sweeping they have people out on the street every day cleaning the commercial streets if you had a community.

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james murez: Whatever you want to call it a Community plan of some sort that that the property owners, as they asked for.

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james murez: Participation or if you just said, it was this is how it's going to work if you want to build to a density of putting four houses on an oakwood property that's 30 by nine year 40 by 120 or whatever they are.

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james murez: And you were short six parking spaces, that you could theoretically buy into an improvement district that was going to fund public transportation for those kinds of properties from a remote site and maybe that would be a solution.

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james murez: Along with bicycle and and you know skateboards and scooters and.

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james murez: autonomous driving.

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james murez: You have you have to formulate what you know the total cost to to everyone within the region.

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james murez: And, and then divided amongst those that were utilizing it.

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robertthibodeau: I see Elizabeth stand up to let's let's.

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robertthibodeau: let's get get some insight from her.

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robertthibodeau: Do I need to unmute you you're unmuted your panelists right.

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Elizabeth Clay: yeah there you go.

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robertthibodeau: Good there you go.

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Elizabeth Clay: that's gonna say I saw i've lived in various countries around the world, so I have sort of a global view on how parking is embraced in other countries and parking simply isn't embraced.

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Elizabeth Clay: Here there's seems to be this growing need when we should be considering downsizing and figuring out how to less vehicles on a lot.

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Elizabeth Clay: especially coastal Commission keeps overriding city and saying i'll give you an example accessory dwelling units don't require if you're within 500 feet of a metro stop.

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Elizabeth Clay: A parking spot unless you're in coastal zone and in coastal is deemed that parking is of extreme importance, I think we have to rebrand the whole concept of parking if you have small units and you want to push for density to allow renters and more affordable units and then.

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Elizabeth Clay: You could put pressure on on those individuals to downsize and not bring an SUV but maybe you know, a smaller vehicle until there's pressure.

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Elizabeth Clay: You know, we just know that as humans, we won't react we'll just we'll we're consumers by nature.

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Elizabeth Clay: So, offering more and more and asking for more and more open space and an area where densities already we're already being pressured to provide density housing because there's not enough open area.

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Elizabeth Clay: i'm I agree with jim's philosophy, in the sense that you need a parking zones and if anyone's curious, you can Google Calgary.

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Elizabeth Clay: Alberta, they have maybe the most walkable city in the world, and they did it by closing their downtown core but it required a lot of pre arranged parking lots around the city.

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Elizabeth Clay: And then free transportation into the city if it's not free people won't take it and they'll scream about it so.

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Elizabeth Clay: But that was a huge undertaking in the city embrace the plan, and I remember when people were screaming about it, especially the merchants for saying that their businesses are going to fail.

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Elizabeth Clay: When, in fact, their businesses increased because we've already proven with the Seattle Pike place market how business goes up when there's walkability anyway all i'm saying is.

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Elizabeth Clay: We need I don't I think we need to get everyone out of the rhetoric that more units equals more parking and everybody needs to vehicles.

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Elizabeth Clay: and start putting the downward pressure on getting rid of vehicles and downsizing families on their vehicle consumption and and and and you know they'll be reactive if it if you're penalized for having parking spots.

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Elizabeth Clay: My thoughts.

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Elizabeth Clay: i'll move on.

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robertthibodeau: i've got another one too is.

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robertthibodeau: I think one one thing i've seen a lot is sort of.

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robertthibodeau: A bit of.

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robertthibodeau: stagnation in terms of commercial property because of the lack of.

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robertthibodeau: sort of uniformity in.

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robertthibodeau: In parking requirements, and I would I would try and modify the parking requirements to be less.

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robertthibodeau: To be to be more uniform that.

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robertthibodeau: If you've got a space.

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robertthibodeau: That says a dry cleaner.

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robertthibodeau: And then you know there's not at not as much as demand for dry cleaners, and so that's going to get changed over to say creative office or to to retail or something to me that.

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robertthibodeau: You shouldn't be nickeled and dimed on parking requirements, the way you are right now, where the way the system works right now is if.

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robertthibodeau: If you're not matching a like for like use which isn't always possible, and I think really stifle some creativity and frankly smaller vendors from entering the market, the.

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robertthibodeau: you're required to go through some fear long processes.

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robertthibodeau: That require a lot of holding costs.

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robertthibodeau: To potential tenants, and I don't really see the use for it like Why is office space.

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robertthibodeau: One to 250 and parking and retail one to 225 like why aren't those just the same, I mean is that fractional space really gaining you something.

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robertthibodeau: And the the flip side is that fractional space could easily cost you, you know many, many 10s of thousands of dollars of holding costs if.

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robertthibodeau: That leads to having to to go through a public coastal process that takes about a year now, so if you're if you're holding a piece of property.

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robertthibodeau: You know let's say, for the sake of argument 5000 bucks a month and now you've got to hold that spend application fees that are sort of.

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robertthibodeau: I think just went up to $12,000 an application plus all the associated costs, plus the year of holding costs, you could easily be pushing $100,000 before you even open open the door.

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robertthibodeau: For a mom and pop vendor that's a significant amount if we're for a chain chain store it's just the cost of doing business but for smaller vendors I don't think you're really competitive anymore.

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robertthibodeau: And I think there's a lot of sort of prohibitive things that happen.

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robertthibodeau: Like what really what's what's the difference in parking if you're trying to open up velocity studio so your local person.

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robertthibodeau: Trying to open up Claudia studio.

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robertthibodeau: And shopping to have been an office space before is that really something you want to grind them out for a year on, or is that something you just want to encourage a neighborhood and say you know.

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robertthibodeau: you're in a commercial property.

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robertthibodeau: You got the parking got because these are all small lots and you know let's do it, I would argue that there are certain very intensive uses like bars and things like that that should be looked at more stringently but for average what I would consider sort of average commercial uses.

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robertthibodeau: I really would would try and.

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robertthibodeau: make a lot more unit uniformity or take the requirement for the coastal development permit out of it like if you did want to have a finely tuned system.

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robertthibodeau: Right now, the way that the process works that that kicks you into.

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robertthibodeau: The year long hearing process I would either take the year long hearing process out or I would put enough uniformity in were most most simple changes wouldn't require.

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robertthibodeau: A year long process, I mean alcohol related things, of course, I would still have that you know, and there would be a number of things I would put in there live entertainment, you know things that are very sort of should be looked at harder but but.

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robertthibodeau: For you know whether you have a bike store or you, you know you got you got a creative office or you're doing something else you know.

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robertthibodeau: To me it's all the same kind of, so I would try and do that too, and I would bullet point that is sort of uniformity for commercial.

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robertthibodeau: sort of normal commercial use parking requirements again open to other opinions on that, but that that's the big problem, I think.

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Jonathan Deer: It is there, once again, is there, somebody that we can have present us, you know, a plan that can also address.

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Jonathan Deer: The impact of that on the Community, so we have a basis to say yes and push those kinds of changes forward, I mean it that sounds important.

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Jonathan Deer: You know my feeling is anything that makes it easier for businesses to operate here it's going to bring more jobs and more opportunity as long as it doesn't negatively impact the Community and other ways, and you know and asked getting some information to show us how that sort of approach.

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Jonathan Deer: You know, can be safe and enhance the Community would be useful, and then we can put some kind of motion together and push that forward.

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Jonathan Deer: This.

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Jonathan Deer: Alex if.

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robertthibodeau: Jim so I don't have like a.

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robertthibodeau: An economic development slash urban planning expert at my fingertips, the two places I could think of talking to would be either Alex at bonbons office.

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robertthibodeau: Possibly could you john's correctly brought this up twice now.

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robertthibodeau: or.

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robertthibodeau: or possibly somebody from the Chamber chamber.

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robertthibodeau: Chamber of Commerce, or possibly Laura from macpherson I mean she would have some background in this to from the planning department again she's a she's a head planner so.

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robertthibodeau: Those would be sort of my three general thoughts and I didn't want to invite.

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robertthibodeau: Laura to bore our lower and more.

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james murez: in Florida.

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james murez: I think I think la do T probably has some researchers or design engineers that might be able to at least provide some information to what this stuff has to.

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james murez: impact on.

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james murez: me I don't know I don't know where all the professionals, I would start by talking to lauren see she's.

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james murez: You know the person in charge of planning and if there's a person in do T or and I don't know the business economic department or something I have no idea.

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james murez: Alec might be somebody and he works for the Council office, and he acts as the representative to all of the agencies who would probably have a clue about who to ask.

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Jonathan Deer: And you know, maybe there's a business association that has looked into this sort of planning.

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Jonathan Deer: as well that you know that's that's to some degree, an advocate I mean we don't want somebody that so one sided that we're not getting the information we need, but you know somebody that has something at stake to.

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Jonathan Deer: To have done the real work to.

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Jonathan Deer: provide us some background on this kind of specific approach.

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robertthibodeau: i'd like to hear from allison and selena to i'm assuming is always got permian things to say as allison and.

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robertthibodeau: You know it'd be good, I think.

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robertthibodeau: Good to get you guys I don't know if you got something you want to add to this.

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robertthibodeau: As far as sort of you know bullet point topics.

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Alyson Wilson: For sure for sure, I think you guys have have hit on two really interesting approaches and if we think about it in terms of like.

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Alyson Wilson: The bullet points you know the the cohort of developers and who can bring.

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Alyson Wilson: new resources and opportunity into our neighborhood is what you're talking about Robert and I know Jim has spent a lot of time thinking about traffic flow i'd love to add the bullet point of.

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Alyson Wilson: Resources for residents and if we're talking about parking transportation could there be the moonshot of some parking regulation that benefits residents.

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robertthibodeau: from it.

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yeah.

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Alyson Wilson: mm hmm.

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robertthibodeau: yeah I thought about that too and brought.

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Elizabeth Clay: In there so against parking permits.

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Alyson Wilson: They probably won't, let us close down Venice, for I mean Pacific for a trolley either, but i'd love to just explore the.

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Alyson Wilson: On what does well.

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Alyson Wilson: Right, you know, am I will explore it and there might be something in there we've looked.

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Alyson Wilson: Over the years on this committee at some different ways in Jim had a really clever way of of trying to get a traffic count, we were never able to get documentation from the city about available parking spaces and access and.

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Alyson Wilson: it's not being enforced right now, but we did I did work on the oversized parking.

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Alyson Wilson: The oversized vehicle ordinance signs and there was there was that was some relief for the residents in my neighborhood so there may be something there and i'd love for us to explore it.

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robertthibodeau: I just bullet pointed it, so I think that's a great great point.

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Jonathan Deer: In line with that maybe we can look back at the work that Jim did that was never properly responded to and see whether there is.

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Jonathan Deer: Somebody.

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Jonathan Deer: or somebody some group that has enough at stake to want to bring a Freedom of Information Act suit to get us that information, you know, Jim.

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Jonathan Deer: went considerably down the line to try to get it through the Freedom of Information Act and they used every basically every dodge they could to give him partial information or no information.

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Jonathan Deer: And you know that's information that if we actually got it we might be able to get at least some streets permitted.

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Jonathan Deer: Now just based on account of parking which shows that, based on those business parking they've required of everybody.

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Alyson Wilson: Jim if only we had someone inside on the city council.

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james murez: um you know yeah I think if if you if you.

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james murez: If you consider that Dennis is the number two visitor destination in southern California and number one is supposedly Disneyland.

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james murez: And if we jump back in time 50 years Disneyland had this innovative thing called a monorail.

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james murez: And, and it all of a sudden made this parking lot that was 50 acres big turn into a way for hundreds of thousands of people to get into the park.

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james murez: I think the coastal Commission would have a very difficult time saying we're not serving visitor access, if we can show them a solution.

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james murez: which provides it and it means public transportation, it means to Shell system, it means making Pacific into a pedestrian and bicycle lane street.

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james murez: and using speedway as as a private street because you're allowed to prioritize alan's the city's done it for.

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james murez: Decades So what if we did have private alleys And what if we did have trolleys And what if we had bicycle paths and large part parkways with lots of trees and walkways we would have a visitor destination, it was remote.

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james murez: I can very easily pink.

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Alyson Wilson: I mean just just a little color that builds on what Elizabeth was saying about how we make decisions is the Dutch don't ride bikes all over the place, because they're more virtuous people it's really expensive to have a car.

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Alyson Wilson: yeah in Amsterdam and it's like something it's a way that families get around and there are some difficulties that.

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Alyson Wilson: Those who run civics have thrown to the Community and the communities adapt it and the globe or la The city is run by cars on some level, but we could create some conversation I think.

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Jonathan Deer: are doing know of any communities in southern California that have embraced this kind of approach.

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james murez: every city in in the 2012 transportation study that was conducted by bills road bill rosendahl.

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james murez: Under my request, I must admit that had to do within Lou parking face the new parking fee study that was done as part of the West selling mobility transportation plan documented five other cities that have put in.

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james murez: overlay zones that are paid for by the private property owners and and all of those cities are being very successful take Santa Monica, for example.

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james murez: there's no commercial parking requirements, and they have high density parking throughout because they have parking solutions that have signs up that say that lots bowl and.

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james murez: You know you got it you got to have a full game plan you can't just walk in there and be demanding and saying this is what we want, we want permit parking come up with a plan.

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james murez: come up with something that shows where where coastal access to the hundreds of thousands of people that come to the second largest visitor destination in southern California can participate and.

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Alyson Wilson: Jim, what do you know about what other communities beach communities have done, who all seem to have permit parking permitted by the coastal Commission what they've done to be blessed with.

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Alyson Wilson: That kind of right where we haven't here in Los Angeles.

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james murez: Well, Santa Monica, for example, has large parking lots and because they have enough parking I mean you know just their basement parking lot has more parking access that all of the Venice lots combined.

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james murez: They have multiple lots like that they have one North at the Pier they have been second and fourth they have them all over.

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james murez: And they've done a really good job of when you get off the freeway they have electronic sign maps did say that parking lots it can be in this one's full so they put up a sign that says you can't turn right or you can't turn one.

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james murez: To get people to go where they want them to go, they have a transportation management plan that actually does make sense.

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Alyson Wilson: Well, we also don't have it's interesting you bring this up it's it's a lesser bullet point, but if it is we.

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Alyson Wilson: It is the fact that we don't actually announce where to go and where the beaches are and how to get there it's I know we've all been asked a million times by people wandering around where's the beach where the canals, where do I park and.

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Alyson Wilson: it's very easy hit see the beach, because the buildings people can't figure out where it is we haven't signed it properly Santa Monica Of course you can see it, but they also have signed it properly.

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Alyson Wilson: It might be interesting to add some something that welcomes people to the places where they should go, rather than just taking away.

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james murez: Free parking I mean you know what Venice boulevard is like if anybody knows better you know and what happens when you get to Pacific.

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james murez: Pacific you takes two lanes of traffic coming down Venice boulevard and one lane of traffic from the North and one lane of traffic from the South, and it all just gridlock right at that intersection because.

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james murez: There is no.

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james murez: place to go.

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Alyson Wilson: And they don't tell you there's a parking lot there and they don't tell you how many spaces there and they don't tell you that's where the beaches, they don't tell you where to stop it's very mysterious.

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james murez: But that kind of information needs to happen back as far as Lincoln.

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james murez: You know.

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Elizabeth Clay: To send you back down a one way street when you're a tourist season guess which way you're supposed to be going to get up.

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Elizabeth Clay: it's just I live in the wrong way down any of the streets that happens, a lot to.

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james murez: A Robert are you going to take the the public comment from the Community are they allowed to speak at this point, or is there is there.

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robertthibodeau: A risk I don't see I don't see hands up I would love to see the Community, we still have a couple of people.

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Selena Inouye: In whenever you have a chance, I wanted to share.

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robertthibodeau: Sorry, I see Isabel I see Isabel.

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and

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robertthibodeau: And Erica selena do you mind waiting for them and then we'll get into you.

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Selena Inouye: yeah that's fine.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's go through, and then i'm going to say ahead of time, I would like to cut the meeting and start stop at about 830 I think that'll be plenty of time here so i'm going to next person is Isabel and then you're you're up after that Eric okay.

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Isabelle Duvivier: hey.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So i'm not i'm certainly not an expert at this stuff but i've been talking to planners a lot about the downtown Community plan and i've been going to the.

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Isabelle Duvivier: mar vista Community plan updates and the rest of Venice or not, the coastal Venice, but the rest of Venice.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I get the sense that the whole entire planning department, the entire city is really moving away from parking and parking requirements, all the parking requirements are going to continue to go down.

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Isabelle Duvivier: As is evident by the new sb nine law that's probably going to pass where you can have four units, I mean it already passed statewide but now the local level, we have to.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Pass some kind of initiative, but you're going to be able to have four units on an r1 lot with no parking requirements so besides the big picture parking like Where do the tourist park I don't think your concerns are necessarily.

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Isabelle Duvivier: going to be.

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Isabelle Duvivier: resolved by the city, because I think that's the direction they're they're headed in, but what really worries me about the Venice Community plan.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Is that they really ignore all of the infrastructure and infrastructure needs in the communities where they're expecting large amounts of density.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Like here in oakwood a gym rightly said you're allowed to have four stores, but when he doesn't know is you can actually have two additional stories, if you have extra density.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So that would mean on brooks where I live, they'll be six storey buildings but we only have 16 inch parkways and five foot sidewalks and.

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Isabelle Duvivier: A two way road where you can barely get past everybody and that's kind of the thoroughfare because there's a light on Lincoln so.

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Isabelle Duvivier: My biggest I think problem with that plan is that it's such a blanket zoning document where they're really not.

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Isabelle Duvivier: they're not creating kind of like the stuff you guys are talking about they're not creating a hierarchy they're not deciding which ways people go in and out where more people are walking where we need really nice big sidewalks big trees.

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Isabelle Duvivier: really great people infrastructure so that's my comment, thank you.

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Jonathan Deer: And we we've talked about that somewhat in the past, I think that's exactly right and Jim jim's address that some in the past.

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Jonathan Deer: You know that's why I want to hear about mitigating the impacts, you know I i'm a i'm a believer in reducing parking to I just want to hear about how.

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Jonathan Deer: What we're going to do instead of having the parking So how are we going to address the impacts on on the Community, because if we just produce parking and hope that cars go away some well.

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Jonathan Deer: But.

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Jonathan Deer: We need, we need to know how that's going to happen, so that people like on brooks are just suffering a big brunt of traffic when just a wish that it goes away, you know.

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Jonathan Deer: agreed.

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robertthibodeau: Oh sorry I was muted again i'm going to put Erica on now um and then.

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robertthibodeau: selena.

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robertthibodeau: Eric ah.

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robertthibodeau: hi.

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Erica Moore: hi thanks so much.

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Erica Moore: I know this is such a layer issue and I just always you know i'm impacted by a lot of different things at my business.

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Erica Moore: I literally had to drive around the block for four laps today, before I could find a place to park, which was ended up being down the street across the street waiting on the street to come into my business.

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Erica Moore: And it's very frustrating, because there is such a lack of parking here, and I know, everybody wants there to not be cars and things, but the reality is.

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Erica Moore: We have people in our Community that have a lot of money and, unfortunately, those people seem to live near my business because they all own.

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Erica Moore: With single man on three or four cars literally my next door neighbor.

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Erica Moore: For vehicles and he's single my next door neighbor where I live, it's a small little family, they have four cars, plus there and 85 cars and guess what they part two of them in front of my house full time all the time.

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Erica Moore: My son's just going to get his license and he has nowhere to park his car it's just ridiculous um.

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Erica Moore: I also think about this, that a lot of people, I find the conversation is you know people forget that there's a lot of elderly people I.

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Erica Moore: was responsible for my mom and my dad my dad was with a Walker my mom had to have assistance, you know these are not people that can just jump in and out of cars we have these bike lanes for the vehicle is out.

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Erica Moore: You know, in the street it's really scary trying to manage and elderly person with that kind of party structure with a bike lane.

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Erica Moore: And when it's raining people are not going to be walking writing scooters and in on a flight they're going to be in their cars.

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Erica Moore: I mean it's it there's so many layers to this and I just get concerned when I hear I mean, obviously, the party thing I think it's so absurd to think that you can't have a parking space.

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Erica Moore: For each person when you charge these kind of read people that are paying $5,000 or $3,000 for an apartment are going to have cars.

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Erica Moore: I don't know it's such a difficult situation, I wish, there would be some way to be parking like so lots where.

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Erica Moore: where people can come in from them, you know multiple vehicles parked there something away from the neighborhood, but I just don't know how they're going to figure this out and It just seems like it's piecemeal together.

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Erica Moore: And it is difficult, there is no signage you know cars have backup in front of my business on when it's you know the summer, because i'm on i'm on this boulevard.

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Erica Moore: I feel terrible for people that are down at the beach I used to live in the canals, I know what it's like it's such a bottle nobody doesn't know where to go and there are one way streets it's it's it's it's this is tricky and I really hope that it's really thoughtfully planned out.

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Erica Moore: I don't know but thank you so much for letting me talk.

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robertthibodeau: Okay.

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robertthibodeau: Thanks Thank you Erica you're still on a Venice.

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robertthibodeau: Venice down by 10 more right.

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Erica Moore: Oh, I live.

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robertthibodeau: Be in that you had that catering business in the.

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Erica Moore: store oh yeah 37 years i'm on Venice boulevard.

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Erica Moore: This is not my pen or though this is why, like Oh, this is, you know the high school dumb caddy corner from the highest.

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robertthibodeau: No, are you I knew where you are.

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robertthibodeau: I bought I bought some chairs from you back in the day yeah.

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Erica Moore: Oh yeah.

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Erica Moore: I got sales here and there.

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robertthibodeau: yeah I remember.

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robertthibodeau: For me 25 years ago anyways.

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robertthibodeau: yeah okay thanks.

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Elizabeth Clay: park when you pick them up, Robert Do you remember.

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Erica Moore: When I have one quick little thing and then you know that corner thing where they're doing that was brought to me that's the big whole.

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Erica Moore: The whole street right there, it says temporary no parking from 9am to 6pm but it's been like two years that they've been draining it's not temporary I don't get to that temporary I don't know.

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robertthibodeau: Right um Oh, you know.

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robertthibodeau: i'm going to put selena on cuz she's been waiting so patiently.

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Selena Inouye: So.

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Selena Inouye: I really agree with the approach of talking about what Dennis wants and going from that approach, but I really need to kind of also.

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Selena Inouye: remind us all that there are already plans in place from planning department and from La do T about what they want to do.

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Selena Inouye: And my senses, with a lot of these plans they're not discussed with the Community, they were just put in place and people don't know about them, so the two things I.

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Selena Inouye: want us to documents I want us to look at moving forward one is the draft concepts for the Community plan update on there's a five page PDF and I can share the link with a with you, Robert and you can send it out to everyone.

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Selena Inouye: On the last page they talked about enhance circulation draft concepts, they talked about a pedestrian prominence at Windward they talked about doing things on Abbot kinney boulevard.

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Selena Inouye: They talk about increased mobility options increased bicycle infrastructure, I don't know how many of these things.

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Selena Inouye: The Community is aware of would support and would these things work so that's one thing that I really feel we need to look at.

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Selena Inouye: The other thing is there's a map on the La do T website it's their livable streets map and on it there's there's streets that they've designated to be bicycle networks neighborhood enhance networks pedestrian enhance districts.

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Selena Inouye: I know what the bicycle enhanced networks are I get a sense of what the pedestrian enhance districts are, I have no idea what these neighborhood enhance networks are, but what I do know i'm doing research about them is that these designations get us to justify increase density for.

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Selena Inouye: land use and planning, so I, it would be good to have someone from led ot to come and talk to us about this stuff This is all part of mobility plan 2035.

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Selena Inouye: And the more I look into mobility plan 2035 I think it was passed with a lot of us not understanding what What was really being sold to us.

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Selena Inouye: And, and so I think it's important to also go and look at that map actually Let me share it with you just really, really quickly oh I can't share because.

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robertthibodeau: When you possibly can.

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james murez: Robert you have to go down to the bottom.

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james murez: And click on sharing.

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james murez: And then, when you click on the big sharing button, it says, let all let all attendees share or whatever it is all panelists share what's more he said.

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robertthibodeau: What if I make it all right.

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robertthibodeau: know I screen share.

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robertthibodeau: whoops that's not what I want.

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james murez: yeah on the right hand side there's just a little like a drop down or something sub list but that's not so if you click on that, then it'll tell you who gets to share.

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james murez: Not on the great big green, not on the green part that does your sharing but directly next to it like part of the same button, but with an extra era.

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james murez: You see it.

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Jonathan Deer: don't perhaps, perhaps we can take over the next several months, take a meeting or take one of those documents each of the next two months.

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robertthibodeau: I just made selena hoaxed which, I believe, if she goes into her thing she should have the option to screen share yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: But yeah and that's that's what i'm suggesting, and if you want to share a great but i'm suggesting we actually take you know, an hour, a meeting over the next few months to go in depth and and hopefully if we get someone from do it, we can grill them and have them explain it, you know.

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Selena Inouye: Right and.

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Selena Inouye: I had.

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talked to.

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Selena Inouye: And I can't remember who else but I don't think they're with planning anymore.

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Selena Inouye: With regard to the draft concepts for Venice when it came to the advanced enhanced circulation map and I had talked about the bike lane with them and.

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Selena Inouye: Making like Windward the pedestrian Plaza I know that bonding already went ahead and made a pedestrian Plaza Westminster and I don't know, there was a lot of discussion with folks there about that happening, but.

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Selena Inouye: I had discussed those things with them and I just had really.

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Selena Inouye: emphasize with them that you know this kind of stuff needs Community input that you know you need to put it out there and be pretty clear about it and then ask people what they think and if they think it would work, so you know.

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Selena Inouye: I, we need to look at what has already been discussed and planned and not potentially not shared with the Community and make sure that those things that they say.

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Selena Inouye: Are things that then it's really want so and i'll send you i'll give everybody the links to everything and maybe Robert you could post it on the committee page two so that people can go and take a look at that stuff so.

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robertthibodeau: Okay yeah I think the draft concepts, I did circulate with you guys a long time ago, you know i'm probably four or five months ago now, but i'm happy to re circulate and i'm happy to.

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robertthibodeau: john and I john john to technical genius he can put those up as documents for everybody to look at and I will try and contact at least or macpherson as a starting point and I think that.

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robertthibodeau: I was going to add.

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robertthibodeau: Discussion of the pedestrian Plaza also as a bullet point, because I think that's important too.

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Jonathan Deer: And selena if you if you are slicing this up.

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Jonathan Deer: What order, would you take, how would you slice it up for us to bring people in over a series of months, so we can kind of shine a spotlight on each one one month after the next.

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Selena Inouye: So it would be good to bring someone in from La do T that is doing, like the livable streets livable boulevards that kind of things.

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Selena Inouye: Because they'll they will discuss things like way finding and things like that which is something that we've identified that we wanted for like for people visitors to the beach.

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Selena Inouye: But they will also talk about these you know bicycle enhance networks and pedestrian enhanced networks, and you know neighborhood enhance networks and we can get a better idea from them about.

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Selena Inouye: Shell how those are supposed to work and the map shows you the streets they've already designated for that so that's The other reason to look at the map to make sure that those things are on the appropriate streets.

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Selena Inouye: yeah I It may be that you need to find a couple of different people at La do T because they've gotten it all broken down and all these different projects so.

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Selena Inouye: And unfortunately I don't have really good contacts that led ot it's very difficult to get someone to come out um and and talk about this stuff.

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Selena Inouye: And then I guess the other thing is um I know city planning was going to come to loop pack, and then it got canceled are they coming again.

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Selena Inouye: Because we really should talk to them about all these draft circulation concepts that they had, and if that they.

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Selena Inouye: You know where they're at in terms of the next phase of the Community plan and how many of those things are going to show up in the next phase, so if we can bring someone from a city planning to talk to us about those things, specifically because.

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Selena Inouye: I don't know if you're aware or not, but Community plans are supposed to have a whole chapter about mobility transportation.

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Selena Inouye: And because they fast tracked all of these Community plans on the West side they don't have that chapter in any of the Community plans now.

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Selena Inouye: So I know they had a couple more things for them is then they hit did like say for palms mar vista del rey.

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Selena Inouye: um but but, honestly, there should be a chapter that talks about what and it's kind of goes back to what the lot of the work that jim's already done that talks about you know identifies the streets in the Community, where you want transportation improvements.

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Selena Inouye: where you want to direct.

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Selena Inouye: traffic flow things like that.

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Selena Inouye: Look there's a completed Community plan for some down in the south bay and they have one of those chapters, and let me find it and send that to you too, so you can get a look at what.

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Selena Inouye: That would look like if they actually did it because I really feel like that's what we should be asking for is to have an actual chapter that talks about transportation mobility.

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Selena Inouye: in Venice and talks about traffic flow talks about the buses talks about shuttles talks about bikes and pedestrians and all that kind of stuff so but i'll get that to you too.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, and we did mark up the Community plan there's a marked up version that we did just as a reference point with the.

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robertthibodeau: Transportation specific items.

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robertthibodeau: sort of outlined in highlight just for speed, so I think I think we've got copies that, if not all distribute and I see isabel's hand up and Eric to stand up those may still be up from before did.

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Jonathan Deer: Either one of them and jim's been putting his hand up for last few minutes to let.

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robertthibodeau: Jim i'm getting OK, so those two just took their hands down so let's finish up with Jim and then maybe we wrap this up.

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james murez: So thank you, Robert i'm.

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james murez: contacts I you know, there was there were people that I met with the D O T along.

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james murez: In the in the previous I can probably get you in my previous term is as Chair parking transportation, I met with people at the iot and and I think I can probably get you at least one or two contacts with people that are that design stuff.

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james murez: I wanted to address a couple of the comments that selena made that the people's.

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james murez: What are they calling it the courtyard at the end of Windward it's a Westminster, excuse me Westminster.

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james murez: That was.

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james murez: That went through the dnc.

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james murez: More than four years ago, Melissa diner spearheaded that.

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robertthibodeau: I remember it.

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james murez: yeah yeah I mean I actually did the original plans were with with her down to the to the fire department to to get what they were going to project over all of the streets for Venice because they had a circulation pattern that they wanted.

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james murez: But so that has been well aired and the Community was very involved in it.

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james murez: The 2035 West la mobility transportation plan, just so you're aware of it, this was something that was brought out a few years ago, one of the other.

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james murez: architects in the Community john reed pointed this out that.

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james murez: It describes in the in the plan that all of the streets need to conform to the street standards that are on the books today.

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james murez: And to do that 90% of the streets in Venice west of Lincoln are going to have to be altered.

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james murez: They just don't meet the basic standards so Now the question is is you know, since that was adopted.

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james murez: How is that going to impact our Community, unless we can adopt that our streets are going to be used at a different standard and by street standards they they describe the street standards from a.

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james murez: Definition standpoint have to do with whether or not it's a collector for the Community or a thoroughfare of some sort like a highway or a secondary highway or.

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james murez: However, their rating it in all of these things have to do with how much transportation what what is the maximum capacity of that that.

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james murez: artery or that you know lesser degree of the street, so if you want to start to look at how's the whole Community playing going to come together and how are you going to address 2035 mobility transportation.

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james murez: You have to again go back to this concept it's going to be much larger than whether or not we have preferential parking.

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james murez: on a street because it's too narrow or not with a big question is going to be, are we gonna have any parking at all.

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james murez: Maybe we won't have any parking to be able to meet the demand and everything has to be reminded that of course that's not going to take away for the people that already have parking on their property, but it would certainly play into anybody that was new.

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james murez: And you know, maybe have to take away all the parking on the street, just to be able to comply with this without having to make the streets wider.

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james murez: Anyway, so let me think of that so I have been told by the planning department for many years that the.

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james murez: Public Works portion of the previous land use plan, and it was addressed in the Community plan in in sort of a very spotty way.

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james murez: we'll have a full complete blown out chapter that describes all of the things that we're talking about.

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james murez: So long as they consider them if you know we don't bring them to the foreground that won't happen if you go back to the way that the land use plan that was adopted exists, if you look in the front of you'll see that there's a whole bunch of plans that were submitted by the Community.

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james murez: And, and they were all the workshop groups that that attended the coastal conservancy workshops, which were the the the part that started the whole process of everybody sitting around and talking about passionate the Community look and all of these maps were marked up and.

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james murez: Like the maps that Salinas talking about you would go in and you'd say no, we don't want the traffic to run here, we want it to run there.

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james murez: And, and then those ended up becoming documented plans that they then got submitted to the city.

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james murez: And the city had to incorporate them as as a consideration, so we want to do the same thing from the neighborhood Council standpoint that's the kind of stuff, we have to put together.

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james murez: It doesn't mean that we have to agree, we can have multiple plans we can have one plan that says we're going to do X, we have another plan that says we're going to do, why.

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james murez: And they have to end up considering both of them when they make their determination of how they're going to put the Community plan together, so I think that's kind of the direction we want to call it, and it may mean that we end up getting.

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james murez: You know pedestrian only Pacific with with the bicycle place, you know that it's astroturf or something.

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james murez: Anyway, those are my thoughts Thank you good meeting good meeting.

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robertthibodeau: Okay let's.

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robertthibodeau: call this meeting adjourned then.

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robertthibodeau: And I from my part all contact Laura and see if we can get her at the next meeting, and if you can.

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james murez: yeah.

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robertthibodeau: Whatever you gotta do to.

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robertthibodeau: follow that too.

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james murez: that's not going to be easy, but i'll find it.

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robertthibodeau: I have contacts there but they're more in the sort of plan check, not in the planning.

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james murez: ya know this, this was the guy that if you want to talk about getting a new street light put in, or you want to re stripe how the streets, going to be today.

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james murez: He was the guy that he gave us john you may remember, we had all or allison we had all of the intersections on Pacific at one time, and I still have all of those those maps of how all of the intersections were laid out because we wanted to talk about.

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james murez: parking cars and we're what parts had to be red curved, and so I do have the contact.

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james murez: i'll find it.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, good meeting good night everybody, I hope, hope everybody got a chance to say something and we'll follow up with this next time.

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Erica Moore: Thank you, everybody so.

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james murez: Excuse me to selena I believe Robert made you the host.

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robertthibodeau: You may have to turn this off.

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james murez: You have to turn off the meeting.

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Selena Inouye: And that is.

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james murez: That into the recording.

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Selena Inouye: Okay, I see the end button.

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Jonathan Deer: All right, everybody.

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Selena Inouye: good night.