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james murez: sign off with you because I have to start this other meeting.

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james murez: um, thank you for your time and we'll talk soon.

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james murez: Great Thank you man.

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james murez: yeah i'll be happy to tell you all about anytime you want to know.

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james murez: Take care bye bye.

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james murez: Testing testing testing Oliver are you there.

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james murez: You have to unmute if you are there.

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Oliver Fries: yeah i'm here.

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Oliver Fries: I just do.

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james murez: I have to still dump.

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james murez: I shouldn't say dump I have to disconnect another meeting I was just in on another.

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james murez: deal here how do I.

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Oliver Fries: Or is.

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james murez: That one.

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james murez: There we go.

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james murez: How are you doing.

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Oliver Fries: Good how are you.

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james murez: Oh, you know i'm trying to keep up with all of the things i'm working on it's so many things going on.

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Oliver Fries: yeah I agree, I mean it feels like every everyone's trying to finish stuff in the next two weeks to so.

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Oliver Fries: tactic.

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Oliver Fries: But yeah everything's good.

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Oliver Fries: So I guess.

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james murez: Let me read.

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james murez: You don't we got another committee Member here, and I should make you co host.

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james murez: Lisa redmond she's an attendee I believe she's not on the committee right.

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james murez: Correct okay so here all over.

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james murez: COSI i've been working.

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james murez: Okay now your co host, let me make a priest share screen possible i've been working on an agenda.

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james murez: And minutes building tool.

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james murez: The message from you.

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james murez: or yeah it was all the host of this meeting right yeah okay.

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Oliver Fries: That was right before you got on.

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james murez: If I make you the host that if anything happens the meeting has to be restarted and everybody loses connection.

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Oliver Fries: I was just making sure because.

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james murez: Everybody stays.

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Oliver Fries: It was two minutes before the meeting, so I was just paying him.

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james murez: yeah yeah okay.

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james murez: it's so funny that right now, it said on my screen oh it's like turned up the volume see MC DEMO California department of food and agriculture, why is that there.

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james murez: that's so weird.

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james murez: That was yesterday's me yesterday morning.

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james murez: Did you make it you did you make it to the sign lighting.

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Oliver Fries: I showed up, but it was too late, I was at a client's holiday party and then I went to another clients holiday party and then, when by the time I got there, it was like it was over, I was it.

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james murez: you're such a party animal.

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Oliver Fries: I know is.

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Oliver Fries: Everyone decided to do it on Saturdays.

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james murez: ya know, is it was, I think, in my opinion, it was the best sign lighting.

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james murez: The Chamber has ever put on.

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james murez: really was really nice yeah I mean I because they had space table Dan tables for all the different organizations and groups in the.

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james murez: In the Community, I mean you know there were all these different people there that were all interacting with everything you know all the different people that were going on, and you know it was great.

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Oliver Fries: that's awesome.

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Oliver Fries: yeah doesn't usually happen, though I know the vm Caesars you there right but.

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james murez: The vm CS you the dnc is always been there, I think, no, I think that this is that this time, they just had more participation, it just felt like it was more filled up.

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james murez: it's not crowded, I mean it was you know, was it was the kind of thing that.

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james murez: Probably.

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james murez: In the proximity, all you know, is all in the outdoors the code was probably a.

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james murez: Close close to what the limit should have been, but the CDC and the county say 5000 people outdoors you don't have to wear masks and there was no way that was 5000 people but.

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james murez: looks like I oh there I did i'm looks like i'm freezing up tonight.

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james murez: So where's our committee oh their staff.

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Oliver Fries: yeah let me see can I let pete you're letting people in.

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james murez: You can do it if you want i'll let you get used to it.

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james murez: i'll just sit back.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: promote two panelists.

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Oliver Fries: We got in.

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james murez: And sometimes you have to do that two or three times there, she is.

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Oliver Fries: I spoke with Liz earlier George I spoke with earlier he's not going to make it.

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Oliver Fries: But everyone else should be coming so we're waiting on ladies.

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james murez: Here you dad is a couple.

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Daffodil Tyminski: minutes i'll be right back.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay well there's alright thanks.

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Oliver Fries: So we're waiting on Liz and Ivan.

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james murez: yeah you got to have three per quarter.

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james murez: Is that right, how many people are on your committee since.

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Oliver Fries: I think seven oh you're not you're not included so.

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james murez: I am I am I think i'm a committee Member all right.

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Oliver Fries: yeah yeah yeah you are so not one to seven.

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james murez: So there's seven that before that.

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james murez: yeah six or seven it's it's for.

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james murez: Your sorry I thought it was five.

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Oliver Fries: Tax.

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james murez: cj.

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james murez: she's on this committee isn't J.

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Oliver Fries: Now.

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james murez: Good evening cj welcome.

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james murez: can't see or hear you but.

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CJ Cole: we'll get there.

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james murez: yeah I know.

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Oliver Fries: hey cj.

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CJ Cole: I am so many screens enjoy many things happening at once okay.

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CJ Cole: hi Jim and Oliver and daffodil.

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Oliver Fries: Where we are just there a couple more.

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CJ Cole: So, which agenda are we using.

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james murez: Which one would you like to use.

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CJ Cole: i'd like to use the one that you sent out, you know that has your.

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CJ Cole: thing on it.

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james murez: You know it's pretty funny I went back and searched through all of the emails i've gotten from done in the last two months and their new format that they've been rejecting everybody's agendas, with the old format they never sent out anything saying that there was a new format.

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Oliver Fries: I didn't see anything.

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james murez: Then they just started rejecting them.

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Oliver Fries: Well, so all they really needed.

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Oliver Fries: me to do, though, is add.

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Oliver Fries: Those provisions at the end, though correct I didn't.

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Oliver Fries: I didn't notice read formatted.

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james murez: correctly, there was nothing other our agenda had everything on there, with the exception of the new stuff that they added for assembly bill 361, I believe, is what it was.

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CJ Cole: jenna had a totally different agenda.

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james murez: yeah it was for.

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CJ Cole: one item which was your item.

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james murez: Oh uh huh.

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CJ Cole: And then, this the agenda that came out today had all of the old ones that Nick Nick had.

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Oliver Fries: Oh that's my I didn't are you sure, let me see that might have been my mistake or you're the one that you pulled off the site.

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Oliver Fries: No, it shouldn't have.

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Oliver Fries: i'm looking at what I put up there, and it should only have an an old item which is just a task force, update and then jim's item, so it is.

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CJ Cole: One I download it download it.

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CJ Cole: When they sent me another.

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CJ Cole: I probably already.

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james murez: cj you may have clicked on the wrong on the wrong link yeah.

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CJ Cole: No, it has today's date on.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, let me, let me double check that the one I posted on Saturday was definitely.

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CJ Cole: Not well, that was the one I wanted to do.

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Oliver Fries: yeah no I just I had to make some changes today per the city and maybe.

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james murez: Maybe I noticed ivan's also here.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks sorry I was looking at my agenda.

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james murez: yeah I was just going to go do that to just to make sure, and then, when I looked at it, the last time it looked like it was fine okay.

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Oliver Fries: I can quickly switch it.

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Oliver Fries: cj is right okay.

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Oliver Fries: Let me update that.

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james murez: Well, the one that went yeah you are, you did it what earlier today, the one that was originally published was fine.

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Oliver Fries: yeah it was just I added the provisions to the wrong.

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CJ Cole: Agenda on my desk we can eliminate this one.

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CJ Cole: Okay.

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james murez: And are you updating the other one now just so it gets back to be in right.

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james murez: Because the other one was sent out by the Department of neighborhood empowerment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, and so Jimmy I saw those emails where we got a new agenda format, but it didn't totally make sense to me, did you talk to them about that.

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james murez: Yes, no I haven't had I didn't talk to done directly in the in the neighborhood Council Presidents meeting that occurred on Sunday evening there was a woman there that was from done and we all talked about how.

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james murez: nc support just started rejecting over the last week or two everybody's agendas randomly, and the reason they were rejecting them was because this new format had been released.

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james murez: And nobody knew what the new none of none of the what do they call them the the freddy's of the world, I forget there's an acronym for Freddie Ivan what's what's what's freddie's acronym.

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james murez: Ivan are you there I see you're here.

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james murez: You gotta unmute i'm and then.

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Ivan: yeah yeah i'm here.

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james murez: What.

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james murez: What are.

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what's freddie's acronym.

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Ivan: deputy.

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james murez: Know there's some there's a word for in an rv or and mo.

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Ivan: mo ne ne.

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james murez: ne ne okay so yeah none of the any a's across the entire city.

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james murez: sent out the new Agenda format and so everybody was complaining about it.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, I got a new PDF here.

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Oliver Fries: Just updated on her site.

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james murez: yeah that's the only place you changed it right.

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Oliver Fries: yeah yeah.

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Oliver Fries: One second here.

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Oliver Fries: should be updated now.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, I don't give me a second here.

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james murez: I didn't delete that's the wrong one.

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Oliver Fries: yeah you guys want to get started.

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james murez: Now you need you need to get this correct so people that come, have the right thing.

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james murez: So if you go into to list into the list.

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james murez: meetings.

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james murez: And click on the meeting itself, then you can open the beating up and then see the agenda file listed down there near the bottom, you can delete the one that's there now and then upload a new work probably takes.

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james murez: going through it twice that he.

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Oliver Fries: deleted.

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james murez: yeah there's nothing there now.

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james murez: Are we doing all over you want some help.

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Oliver Fries: I think i'm good it's just loading up letting.

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Oliver Fries: In selected.

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james murez: Then you gotta say.

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Oliver Fries: You guys, do you see it there now.

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james murez: Fresh yep.

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Oliver Fries: All right.

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james murez: Let me speak on it.

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james murez: yeah yes that's the right one.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Thanks sorry about that.

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james murez: Okay, it was there before because I saw it before.

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james murez: So we have a quorum yep.

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Oliver Fries: i'm just pulling up my agenda here.

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Oliver Fries: It is 5:30pm and I will take roll.

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Oliver Fries: All over freezes here.

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Oliver Fries: George Francisco is absent.

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Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

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Daffodil Tyminski: here.

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Oliver Fries: cj cold.

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Oliver Fries: Liz right is absent.

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Oliver Fries: She she should be coming.

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Oliver Fries: Okay perfect.

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james murez: You want me to promoter you want to.

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Oliver Fries: I got it.

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Oliver Fries: Okay i'll come back to her to all Ivan Spiegel here cameras.

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Oliver Fries: Here and Liz are you there Elizabeth right.

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CJ Cole: He.

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james murez: he's gotta unmute.

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Oliver Fries: Liz please unmute you can.

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Elizabeth Wright: i'm here.

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Oliver Fries: All right, thanks everyone for being here and we'll go ahead and move to Item three review corner and adopt minutes from prior meeting.

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james murez: i'll make the motion.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and you're as mixed emotion does anyone second.

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Daffodil Tyminski: To the last second the motion.

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Oliver Fries: You think you'd after, though.

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Oliver Fries: Let me share my screen here, so we can go through the Minutes.

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I stopped the video.

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james murez: We can still hear you daffodil.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I know, someone wants to see my office.

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james murez: No, no that's okay it's just a dog.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so here are the Minutes from the previous meeting can everybody see these.

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james murez: Is there something special you wanted to show us, otherwise you don't normally have to display them.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, if there's no does anyone have any comments fine okay.

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james murez: They were very nicely taken.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you, thank you, OK so moving on.

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james murez: You need to you need to take a boat or something.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, we're going to take a vote to approve the meeting minutes, and when I said, moving on i'm just trying to share my screen.

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james murez: Okay sorry.

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Oliver Fries: Second here.

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Oliver Fries: Go okay so we're going to take a vote to.

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Oliver Fries: approve the Minutes Oliver freeze I vote yes.

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Oliver Fries: And daffodils minsky yes.

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Oliver Fries: was right.

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Oliver Fries: I Evan Spiegel.

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Oliver Fries: Okay that's.

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Oliver Fries: 60 SS zero knows the meeting minutes past.

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Oliver Fries: The board meeting minutes passes.

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Oliver Fries: And now we'll move on to item for public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Non agenda items related to rules and selections committee only.

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Oliver Fries: And let's see if we have anyone does any other, is there any public comment Okay, we have Lisa redmond she's raising her hand.

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Oliver Fries: Lisa go ahead and speak.

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Lisa Redmond: hi good evening everybody i'm just going to point out that it is a little annoying that I was here promptly at five o'clock for me and I had to listen to 15 minutes of chit chat before the meeting began so.

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Lisa Redmond: Take that for what it's worth but i'm there might be other people feeling the same as me so thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Thank it.

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Oliver Fries: doesn't look like there's anybody else.

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Oliver Fries: With any comments from the public, so.

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Oliver Fries: we're going to move to old business and item five.

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Oliver Fries: Which is an update.

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Oliver Fries: From the task force does anybody motion to bring this to the floor and i'll read it out loud task force to update the committee on progress made, etc, this is meant to just be sort of an open discussion and an update from the task force and comments from anybody on the committee.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All over this may be a good time to share your screen again to to bring the agenda up.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, no problem.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, can you all see that.

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james murez: Yes.

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james murez: Wait just.

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Oliver Fries: I emotion, to bring this to the floor.

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Oliver Fries: I can anyway anybody second.

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james murez: God what.

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james murez: you're not allowed to make a motion so if I mean if it's just a discussion we're having we're not taking any action on it okay I don't think you actually even have to have emotion.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you for the clarification.

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Oliver Fries: Liz or cj do you do you want to take this away, I mean i've gotten some updates from Liz from George and also some from cj but.

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CJ Cole: Why don't you start Liz.

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Elizabeth Wright: OK to date.

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Elizabeth Wright: The.

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Elizabeth Wright: standing.

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Elizabeth Wright: Someone called the dog.

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Elizabeth Wright: Today today's standing rules have been corrected regarding grammar punctuation and so forth, there is a version that has exactly that.

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Elizabeth Wright: To keep from running into duplication and duplication with errors or conflicting.

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Elizabeth Wright: rules.

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Elizabeth Wright: I put it into a format that is a document, instead of the list and the document parallels the bylaws.

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Elizabeth Wright: There is a version that has.

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Elizabeth Wright: Current standing rules in that format.

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Elizabeth Wright: I updated the standing rules to reflect the.

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Elizabeth Wright: Recent changes, approved by the board.

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Elizabeth Wright: To.

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Elizabeth Wright: Get rid of things that are no longer pertinent.

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Elizabeth Wright: And that is pretty much if.

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Elizabeth Wright: There is a version for that.

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Elizabeth Wright: And I believe that is the version also include moving the template for the.

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Elizabeth Wright: de minimis letter.

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Elizabeth Wright: And the visions to appendices so you just have a.

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Elizabeth Wright: A sentence or two in the body of the document and.

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Elizabeth Wright: The the full thing is that the in the appendix.

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Elizabeth Wright: Is version for that.

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Elizabeth Wright: There is another version that cooperates all of the above.

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Elizabeth Wright: and includes all of the new directives from done that were sent to the board members.

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Elizabeth Wright: And it changes from the.

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Elizabeth Wright: code of conduct that the neighborhood Council originally agreed upon, to the Code of Conduct all board members signed that are part of monk policies.

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Elizabeth Wright: So there is a version for that.

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Elizabeth Wright: And that's where the task force is.

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Elizabeth Wright: there's one section that still needs to be tightened up a lot, because there are conflicting statements in there, but.

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Elizabeth Wright: Aside from that that's where things stand.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks, ladies I I went through a.

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Oliver Fries: First changes on the standing rules and I just there's a few more formatting errors and I have some notes for you, but overall, I mean I think it's a great start cj did you have anything you.

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CJ Cole: wanted yeah my only thing and i'm just really concerned because I, you know these the buying a big problem with the standing rules is they have too much stuff.

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CJ Cole: That is either overlapping here is it's like it almost needs to start from scratch and I don't know how we go about getting rid of.

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CJ Cole: Things that are in there that either no longer matter or it's just.

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CJ Cole: they've always been done.

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CJ Cole: In a format that's not at all consistent.

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CJ Cole: And the standing rules just kind of.

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CJ Cole: meander along and you know they don't have any format they don't have anything, and I am totally stymied I have like three literally three pages of different rules in quotes having to do with the communication.

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CJ Cole: or not communication, excuse me, the average outreach Committee and the outreach German and whatever you know.

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CJ Cole: it's just like they almost really to me, need to be rewritten or we're just doing nothing more than correcting spelling and maybe putting things in a little better order and if that's all we want to do, then I guess we're probably almost there.

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CJ Cole: But I just it's not my idea of what should be done.

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Oliver Fries: I think it's the first step, but I mean we can't we can't technically change standing rules without me repeatedly bringing bringing all this to the board correct.

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CJ Cole: Well yeah we could get to a point where, as a committee we agree, and then, yes, it has to go into the board.

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CJ Cole: But I just don't know whether it's just too big a project even worry about.

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Oliver Fries: Okay um do we does anyone is anyone else have any questions or comments.

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james murez: Yes, I have my hand up.

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Oliver Fries: yeah i'm sorry Jim I gotta get back on my.

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Oliver Fries: zoom page here.

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Oliver Fries: All right, Jim go ahead.

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james murez: So my first question was for Liz and it has to do with I assume that we're using revision tracking and can I haven't seen the documents are they someplace that we can all view them are.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay, prior to the last meeting I sent drafts to everybody.

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james murez: Oh alright so it's just the draft and there was, I was thinking that maybe there was an online link someplace that that maybe we had uploaded it as a draft, and it was on the rules and selections web page under resources.

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james murez: I think that's probably what we want to do so, everybody.

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james murez: can see that we're making some sort of changes and even though it may be a mess at this point It just seems like we don't want to be sharing stuff between us, because that might be considered a brown act violation.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, I can post them.

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Oliver Fries: And, yes.

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james murez: Please, you have to post it and then, I guess, as long as rubbish and tracking is turned on i'd love to look cj I don't really understand exactly what it is, you would like to see, I think we can.

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CJ Cole: I would just like, for instance, taking the outreach committee to have a section, just like the bylaws as a section by committees are at you know committees, a section, and it has its rules but not three pages worth the rules, you.

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james murez: Why don't why don't we just have a.

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CJ Cole: list of what their responsibilities are.

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james murez: Sure, I you know just so you understand.

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james murez: let's assume for a moment that we're starting with a blank slate we can have whatever we want.

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james murez: let's put it into whatever format makes the most sense as long as we stay within the guidelines of what they want for the bylaws.

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james murez: You know if something is in the bylaws that shouldn't be there.

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james murez: Because it's something that we change from month to month or year to year and we don't want to have to go through the bylaw revision process on each item that it's like that.

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james murez: It should go in the Standing rule, so if there's stuff in the Standing rules that never is going to be changed again, for instance.

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james murez: We are going to now structure the standing roles, where they're going to have a table of contents they're going to have an index that refers back to things at the end of the document.

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james murez: And in the middle everything's going to be numbered using the following numbering scheme, we can put that into our bylaws.

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james murez: Because that note we're now going to define that one time and never have to go back and change it so i'm not at all opposed.

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james murez: To coming up with a very structured format that very clearly spells out in this section we're going to talk about nothing but.

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james murez: outreach responsibilities and then, when the next section we're going to talk about nothing but ocean front walk responsibilities.

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james murez: The next section, whatever the other committees are if we're going to have an ad hoc committee this is how it's going to be defined, and the ad hoc committee definition will be added to the standing rules.

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james murez: If it's required in this format, we can do that, and I have no problem with that now what we want to do, let me just.

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james murez: send it to.

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james murez: You I know you want to say something, let me, let me just.

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james murez: Let me finish airing this what we want to do is, we want to decide on whatever this format, we want to put it into which is more structure, and then we want to extract from the existing document all of the information that goes into each of these sections, so we haven't lost anything.

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james murez: And then, if there's a duplication between something that's in the Standing roles and something that's in the bylaws.

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james murez: let's change the color of it or some some way of identifying it in the Standing roles, because the standing rules are always going to be subordinate to the bylaws so we don't need to have them in both places.

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james murez: And then we could take them out of the Standing rule so there's not a conflict.

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james murez: Does that make sense.

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CJ Cole: I just said, a whole lot but we don't agree in the committee, is what the problem is.

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james murez: What do you mean we don't agree on the committee so.

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CJ Cole: don't agree as to the extent of what our job or task is.

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james murez: So what I guess i'm hearing you say is there are rules in the rules in in the rule section of the Standing rules that that.

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james murez: are irrelevant at this point in time.

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CJ Cole: No i'm just saying that the conceptual Frankly, there are things that I think needs to be totally changed.

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james murez: Okay.

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CJ Cole: Give me any chaos frankly just just wanted to you know, correct and somewhat format what we already have.

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james murez: Give me an example of what you're saying shouldn't be there at all.

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CJ Cole: And no i'm just saying that there were three pages literally of stuff about the communication of the outreach committee.

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CJ Cole: I mean the outreach committee shouldn't be more than 20 items that they're responsible for just 12345 you know it just this goes on and on and the way it's worded is because.

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CJ Cole: You like the request that we had a couple of meetings ago for changing or for a bit a pending the standing rules somebody does a whole dissertation it gets approved and the whole dissertation gets put into the standing roles, word for word and that's where we have the problem.

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CJ Cole: Is I.

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james murez: What you're saying is it's a style of writing.

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james murez: that you would like to see styled slightly differently.

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CJ Cole: Well, I don't care what the style is as long as it's the same but it's not the same throughout it's all different.

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CJ Cole: But I think that's what makes it so hard to read and understand our standing rules.

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CJ Cole: And there's you know I mean putting it in an order makes sense, at least, then we'll be able to find something, but it just it goes on.

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CJ Cole: You know I mean I thought I sent you the three pages well actually it's two pages, I guess, for the hour each thing but it just goes on.

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CJ Cole: and on just the same stuff over again, you know, like work with the treasure to budget for outreach activities now is that something that needs to be in the Standing rules.

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Elizabeth Wright: One time it was.

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Elizabeth Wright: All of that stuff for the standing rules was put in, because the Chair of the standing of the outreach Committee was not doing the job and it had to be spelled out in detail.

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CJ Cole: Well, to me it's just the wrong way to go about it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: If I could just jump in here too I think outreach is the biggest part of our budget, so there was, I think a particular.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You know interest in having it be clear that the outreach chair has to engage with the budget.

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CJ Cole: Well, I.

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CJ Cole: didn't forget after.

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james murez: Her have yeah perhaps we want to have that that all committees Shell when they when they requesting funding.

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james murez: You know, participate with with.

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james murez: The budget and Finance Committee.

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CJ Cole: Line Oh, when I was treasure that was just the way it was.

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james murez: Right.

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james murez: You know I think that's.

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james murez: I think that's actually a requirement.

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CJ Cole: But that should definitely.

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james murez: Get that should be for all committees.

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james murez: yeah maybe we need.

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CJ Cole: US means 25 or 50 items under outreach.

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james murez: So cj maybe what we want to do is, we want to look at what those 25 or 50 items are and things that apply to more than one committee should just be designated as these are general rules and then they.

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CJ Cole: Are become a bylaw.

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james murez: or become a bylaw that's right.

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james murez: I think that that I think you got the right idea it's just a question that we need to go through and do the work and we when we do it, we need to not lose the.

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james murez: You know, so if we take something out of one place and and you know with revision tracking turned on we probably want to put a comment out there in the in the right margin says this is being moved to this other section.

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james murez: And and and then, when we share it with the board, it will say that this was taken out of you know line 27 of of outreach and moved into a general rule that applies to everybody section.

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james murez: So that way we're not losing the the flow of where did this thing go to.

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CJ Cole: But is there a point at which you can get rid of that or do we have to always keep that.

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Oliver Fries: The master copy and then you'll have for every meeting will have the red line in there.

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james murez: So what once.

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james murez: Once the once the board approves the new document all the red lines will disappear.

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CJ Cole: And then, it just goes back.

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james murez: Correct whatever the new format is everything will disappear now one of the things that we want to have in both the bylaws and the rules we want to have a cover page that talks about revisions.

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james murez: And we want to reference what the old document date was it was what was the last date, what was the date of the previous document.

405
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james murez: Approval there was like this last one was approved in 2017 I think so, he would say revisions made to the 2017 document included the following.

406
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james murez: And in there, we would have a list of whatever revisions we move things around know we moved item 27 to item 19 we moved.

407
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james murez: 33 into a you know we dropped it all together, we want to have a revision list of what we actually change.

408
00:38:04.140 --> 00:38:15.960
james murez: And that should be included as the first page, and if that first page becomes 10 pages long, then that's when it becomes, but we want to keep track because right now, we have no way of knowing what was changed in any of the previous versions.

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james murez: i'm just this is it if it was a government document, this is how it would be done i've done government documents for the Defense department before, and they have.

410
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james murez: A revision page and the revision page goes through every single item that you that you modify and it just very quick notes one line notes one one line at a time for each revision and.

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james murez: And it goes through it tells you what everything is.

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CJ Cole: Well, we have to do is start by making the existing Standing rules in some kind of a consistent format that we can say we have changed line 25 of page for or, however, we want to define it.

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CJ Cole: Correct so I mean we've got almost go back and start there I would think.

414
00:39:01.110 --> 00:39:04.800
james murez: yeah and you know it might be easier to to.

415
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james murez: I don't know, maybe to use like legal paper numbering line number, where every line is numbered to be able to track that.

416
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CJ Cole: Do we have no copy in Microsoft word before we started playing with it, or in something that everybody has on their computer i'll the scanning roles.

417
00:39:27.210 --> 00:39:30.180
CJ Cole: Everybody says, you should haven't Jim if it exists.

418
00:39:31.710 --> 00:39:39.510
james murez: Well, so the secretary of the dnc is responsible to keep track of all final documents.

419
00:39:40.680 --> 00:39:54.780
james murez: And, and they would be in melissa's Google drive because the website doesn't necessarily always have all of the revisions let's just talk, if you want you don't need to raise your hip.

420
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Elizabeth Wright: Thank you.

421
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Elizabeth Wright: From the website, you can get the PDF file of the current standing room that is available to everyone, everyone in the room.

422
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CJ Cole: is not what we need.

423
00:40:11.940 --> 00:40:12.870
james murez: Right so.

424
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Elizabeth Wright: I have converted that to word.

425
00:40:16.290 --> 00:40:17.280
CJ Cole: Yes, but as.

426
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Elizabeth Wright: I have been using.

427
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CJ Cole: special characters that are cause a problem.

428
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james murez: Are you having special characters in your in your word version.

429
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CJ Cole: of your so not and i'm trying to get rid of them I put it.

430
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CJ Cole: into excel to get rid of them.

431
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Elizabeth Wright: But what.

432
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CJ Cole: Actual characters.

433
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CJ Cole: In Berlin, Prince.

434
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CJ Cole: You know, we just have to go back and find some kind of an original.

435
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james murez: yeah I don't know who has that.

436
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Elizabeth Wright: What happens when I did the translation was there were random insertions and do legions of spaces.

437
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Elizabeth Wright: And those have been corrected.

438
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CJ Cole: No i'm talking special characters non praying characters that have have that function, when you go to print a document.

439
00:41:08.580 --> 00:41:12.000
james murez: I have software that can easily filter that out if we're having a problem with it.

440
00:41:12.090 --> 00:41:15.480
CJ Cole: Well, I did it with using excel.

441
00:41:15.630 --> 00:41:18.900
CJ Cole: Okay, yes, you probably better software.

442
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:20.910
james murez: Here, if you have something.

443
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CJ Cole: That you that you lose the form a, the problem is, as it has been formatted.

444
00:41:28.560 --> 00:41:43.980
CJ Cole: versions of Microsoft word they keep changing and if somebody does something, some of them have a capital ag a number one a little a a you know they are it's not the same format, all the way through.

445
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james murez: So that's what we want it that's what we want to fix cj.

446
00:41:46.830 --> 00:41:55.110
CJ Cole: yeah but the only way, you can fix, that is to get rid of all these special characters that are part of Microsoft words.

447
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CJ Cole: Of formatting.

448
00:41:58.320 --> 00:41:58.920
CJ Cole: see it never.

449
00:42:00.330 --> 00:42:00.660
Ivan: there.

450
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Ivan: are over.

451
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yeah.

452
00:42:05.550 --> 00:42:23.220
Ivan: The agenda item and update from the test for way into the weeds here, so if you want to have this discussion after would trend dyson put it on the agenda, and then we can all discuss the character from Microsoft word are not part of this.

453
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Oliver Fries: Okay.

454
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Ivan: Just spinning our wheels here OK.

455
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Ivan: OK so.

456
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Ivan: The test forces gone, I recommend that we move on to the next thing.

457
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Oliver Fries: again.

458
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james murez: Let me just close with saying cj if you want me to take a look at the document see if I can.

459
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james murez: clean it up quickly i'm happy to do.

460
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That.

461
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james murez: OK.

462
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Oliver Fries: OK.

463
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Oliver Fries: And then we'll see Ray and was all touch base with you for the next task force meeting and then we'll send it to the Committee exactly when that's going to be.

464
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Oliver Fries: And then Liz let's provide the or I can help you but let's provide the Committee with with the documents you sent me earlier, and then I can also post them on the dnc website.

465
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Oliver Fries: So people.

466
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Elizabeth Wright: Wanting to things that has to be decided is what format gene want standing rules to be there currently parallel to the bylaws if that is not acceptable, then something else has to be decided.

467
00:43:27.030 --> 00:43:30.540
james murez: And when you say format, do you mean how they're they're physically look.

468
00:43:30.990 --> 00:43:32.940
Daffodil Tyminski: guys point let's move on.

469
00:43:34.200 --> 00:43:34.560
Oliver Fries: Okay.

470
00:43:36.180 --> 00:43:43.530
Elizabeth Wright: Okay i'm not suggesting that that that decision will be made now okay it's pointing out that decision has to be made okay.

471
00:43:44.940 --> 00:43:47.340
Oliver Fries: Okay we're gonna move on to new business.

472
00:43:48.780 --> 00:43:51.570
Oliver Fries: Let me pull up my agenda here.

473
00:43:59.790 --> 00:44:00.150
Oliver Fries: Since.

474
00:44:00.690 --> 00:44:01.890
james murez: Since I made the.

475
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james murez: Since I submitted the agenda request you can I can I go ahead and just read the motion.

476
00:44:07.080 --> 00:44:07.860
Oliver Fries: yeah no problem.

477
00:44:08.070 --> 00:44:11.700
james murez: So it's Item number six parliamentarian role definition.

478
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james murez: Motion define the role of the parliamentarian what, if any committees, he she is allowed to serve on as a Member and if, within the role there are any bias issues.

479
00:44:27.150 --> 00:44:38.610
james murez: which need to be addressed the definition needs to then be adopted by the board and dependent to the standing rules until which time the definition, can be upended into the.

480
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james murez: Permanent bylaws.

481
00:44:43.170 --> 00:44:44.070
james murez: and making the motion.

482
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Oliver Fries: Jim makes emotion anybody second.

483
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CJ Cole: i'll second.

484
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.730
Daffodil Tyminski: I understand the motion.

485
00:44:54.540 --> 00:44:57.210
james murez: Let me have some discussion about this um.

486
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.210
james murez: There were there were a couple of.

487
00:45:01.770 --> 00:45:03.900
james murez: Great grievances that were filed with the.

488
00:45:05.520 --> 00:45:07.260
james murez: city about.

489
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james murez: Our by our our bylaws defining something that described that the parliamentarians role has to be unbiased and at the same time they were asking.

490
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james murez: That the parliamentarian Member was not allowed to serve on a committee, because the parliamentarian would be working on and creating rules that they would then later have to be the judgment.

491
00:45:37.140 --> 00:45:48.210
james murez: decider of whether or not that rule or that issue, whatever it was that came up was being interpreted correctly, based on what the bylaws and the standing rule set.

492
00:45:48.600 --> 00:45:58.620
james murez: And because they were on both the committee that created that rule or by law, and they were also the same person that was deciding whether or not.

493
00:45:58.980 --> 00:46:09.870
james murez: It was right or wrong that there was some kind of a conflict of interest and the city attorney and myself and and the Members have done all set.

494
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Daffodil Tyminski: In again i'm sorry i'm going to cut you off, but I think we all know what happened.

495
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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm just saying I literally don't understand the language of the motion.

496
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james murez: So we need to define what the role of the parliamentarian is, and is there a point which they would be the parliamentarian would not be up would not be able to be unbiased.

497
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james murez: And, and so the conversation that was had was well the the parliamentarian should not be participating I see your hand Lisa the parliamentarian should not be participating in any.

498
00:46:50.220 --> 00:47:02.340
james murez: rulemaking that directly affects the parliamentarians role so, for instance, if Ivan is our parliamentarian he can't be on this committee.

499
00:47:02.820 --> 00:47:23.820
james murez: And also then describing what the parliamentarian is or not allowed to participate in he can't he can't be the judge of what he's allowed to do or not do, because in that situation he's not being unbiased everything else he's allowed to participate in on the committee.

500
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james murez: Does that clarify for a daffodil.

501
00:47:31.050 --> 00:47:37.860
Daffodil Tyminski: It does, I mean i'm going to say I need to pull the motion back up, but I think I would probably work on the language of this.

502
00:47:37.980 --> 00:47:46.110
james murez: Okay, we can change the language so now now we've had we've had the description of the item, and I see that we have public comment.

503
00:47:47.490 --> 00:47:47.820
Oliver Fries: Okay.

504
00:47:48.450 --> 00:47:50.820
james murez: I just tried to clarify that for daffodil and.

505
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james murez: And we'll come back and discuss it more after we've had public comment.

506
00:47:55.050 --> 00:47:55.680
Thanks Jim.

507
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Oliver Fries: Okay Lisa read been.

508
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Oliver Fries: Go ahead.

509
00:48:04.170 --> 00:48:05.520
Lisa Redmond: i'm unmuted.

510
00:48:06.150 --> 00:48:06.510
Oliver Fries: Yes.

511
00:48:06.570 --> 00:48:17.700
Lisa Redmond: Yes, okay um I I kind of understand the motion but I don't quite understand why there is a motion so basically you're making a motion to say let's.

512
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Lisa Redmond: let's make another motion to define the role of what the parliamentarian is that we can adapt into our scanning rules or bylaws so it's really kind of a non starter as emotion, basically, it should be a task force that creates it and then presents it as emotion.

513
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Lisa Redmond: Is I I don't understand that there's a motion to say let's let's do this.

514
00:48:43.260 --> 00:48:56.190
Lisa Redmond: So, but I do agree, there should be some very defined job duties as the Apollo of attarian I don't believe a parliamentarian should be on any committee, they should just be a parliamentarian, but.

515
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Lisa Redmond: That doesn't fit into this motion, I really can't comment on that because it's emotion to say hey kids let's let's do some work kind of motion so.

516
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Lisa Redmond: Thanks.

517
00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:10.200
Thank you.

518
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james murez: So now, you need to close public comment let's use the public commenters out there.

519
00:49:16.890 --> 00:49:25.320
Oliver Fries: Now I don't see any other public commenters, so we are closing public comment and moving to committee discussion.

520
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james murez: That has her hand up.

521
00:49:30.120 --> 00:49:30.720
Oliver Fries: Okay, go ahead.

522
00:49:31.710 --> 00:49:36.360
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah I mean I, I agree with Lisa on this one, I feel like it's a.

523
00:49:37.380 --> 00:49:41.070
We should just send this to the task force that's working on updating the rules.

524
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Daffodil Tyminski: and give them whatever guidance, the city attorney gave us and come up with a rule that fits that guidance.

525
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Daffodil Tyminski: Right I don't know why I wouldn't reinvent the wheel on this one, apparently, the city attorney has a pint on what they think.

526
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CJ Cole: we're doing, we can we have some city attorney on this.

527
00:50:00.150 --> 00:50:02.460
james murez: No, we only have my conversation with them.

528
00:50:03.540 --> 00:50:04.800
james murez: They they basically be.

529
00:50:06.120 --> 00:50:06.990
Ivan: Writing down.

530
00:50:07.290 --> 00:50:18.330
james murez: There were there were several complaints that were made all of the complaints were were dismissed the big points where that that.

531
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james murez: We need to because the current bylaws state that the parliamentarian must be unbiased, we have to define what is unbiased right.

532
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james murez: But then they The other thing that was a major issue was there was a claim that there was a conflict of interest.

533
00:50:41.730 --> 00:50:54.780
james murez: And the city attorney made it very clear that there was no conflict of interest, unless the parliamentarian was ruling on something that he himself was going to receive financial benefit from.

534
00:50:56.070 --> 00:50:56.520
Ivan: Okay.

535
00:50:57.600 --> 00:50:59.340
james murez: And so, those are the only two issues.

536
00:51:00.510 --> 00:51:02.160
james murez: That we needed to address that we.

537
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james murez: have with us.

538
00:51:03.420 --> 00:51:10.770
james murez: And, and I think, at least, is correct, we need, we need to come up with some exact language of what it is that defines.

539
00:51:11.310 --> 00:51:30.540
james murez: How can the parliamentarian be unbiased and and the conversation the conversation that we had was he can't be ruling on things in a committee that affect his task, because that would be considered bias.

540
00:51:31.680 --> 00:51:36.240
CJ Cole: Okay, now, not what your motion shouldn't be.

541
00:51:36.240 --> 00:51:41.550
james murez: saiga I got that but I needed to get something on the agenda, so we could open the discussion.

542
00:51:41.790 --> 00:51:44.070
james murez: And now we can take it wherever we want it to go.

543
00:51:46.260 --> 00:51:50.610
Daffodil Tyminski: Also, nobody should be voting on anything in which they have a financial interest.

544
00:51:51.990 --> 00:51:52.410
Daffodil Tyminski: with it.

545
00:51:53.040 --> 00:52:00.960
james murez: But this is, this is a question of the voting on something in this case is whether or not it's bias.

546
00:52:01.500 --> 00:52:18.600
james murez: or unbiased and so that's the definition that the conflict of interest was was dismissed item you're right he would that's already covered under all sorts of other laws we don't have to define conflict of interest.

547
00:52:20.040 --> 00:52:25.890
Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, I think, part of the problem here, Jim is bias is an extremely broad word right.

548
00:52:26.220 --> 00:52:26.670
Right.

549
00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:30.870
Daffodil Tyminski: Everything in the Rules arguably.

550
00:52:32.100 --> 00:52:40.650
Daffodil Tyminski: You know Ivan could be biased because he's a parliamentarian he interprets rules and so therefore he's biased in favor of the rules like I to me it's such a broad thing, I think.

551
00:52:41.250 --> 00:52:48.450
Daffodil Tyminski: We need to go back to the city attorney and ask for parameters, I mean I what kind of advice is it to leave it up to us to say.

552
00:52:49.350 --> 00:52:51.480
james murez: Because that's what our bylaws are supposed to do.

553
00:52:52.980 --> 00:52:53.160
james murez: We.

554
00:52:53.310 --> 00:53:03.270
Daffodil Tyminski: are supposed to give input into what the bylaws should say I mean this is a legal issue for the city as to what are the ethical bounds of a parliamentarian, acting on a committee.

555
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james murez: So it had the the the, this is the way it was explained the difference between being biased and unbiased on the committee is if the parliamentarian is ruling on something that directly affects his role.

556
00:53:21.420 --> 00:53:26.100
james murez: Because on this committee he's just a member when he's on the board it's a whole different story.

557
00:53:28.650 --> 00:53:29.730
james murez: Does that make sense.

558
00:53:30.090 --> 00:53:40.350
Daffodil Tyminski: It does make sense I just don't think it's meaningful right, I mean I think if we want to really narrowly define it and say you know the parliamentarian.

559
00:53:41.430 --> 00:53:50.730
Daffodil Tyminski: cannot vote on rules that directly affect the performance of the parliamentarian, or something like that, and really you know, make it specific that's one thing, but otherwise.

560
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:52.950
james murez: that's what we're saying is.

561
00:53:53.280 --> 00:53:55.020
james murez: That he can participate in the.

562
00:53:55.020 --> 00:54:16.590
james murez: conversation he can participate on the committee and the discussion of the item but, at the end of the day, if it's some if we're writing something into the bylaws today that says the parliamentarians xyz the parliamentarian himself cannot vote on that xyz item.

563
00:54:17.790 --> 00:54:21.450
james murez: He can participate in the conversation when it gets to the board.

564
00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:29.070
james murez: He has to follow, whatever the bylaws says, but he can't vote on it in this committee.

565
00:54:30.120 --> 00:54:33.750
Daffodil Tyminski: me why don't you just then draft a rule and put that on the agenda.

566
00:54:33.870 --> 00:54:35.220
james murez: yeah that's fine.

567
00:54:37.170 --> 00:54:39.840
Elizabeth Wright: i'd like to say a few words, if I may.

568
00:54:40.110 --> 00:54:41.280
Elizabeth Wright: Please okay.

569
00:54:42.450 --> 00:54:56.280
Elizabeth Wright: To start with the parliamentarian doesn't ruin anything the parliamentarian advice advice is whoever is the Chair of the organization that is parliamentarian, for he is parliamentarian for the board.

570
00:54:57.450 --> 00:55:01.920
Elizabeth Wright: He advises the Chair of the board or the President right.

571
00:55:02.190 --> 00:55:04.260
james murez: Right not not an argument there.

572
00:55:04.470 --> 00:55:05.400
Elizabeth Wright: It is.

573
00:55:07.860 --> 00:55:15.450
Elizabeth Wright: Totally inconceivable that the parliamentarian for the board, can also be parliamentarian for all the committee's.

574
00:55:16.650 --> 00:55:22.230
Elizabeth Wright: Nobody could could manage being parliamentarian for every committee.

575
00:55:25.710 --> 00:55:30.060
Elizabeth Wright: I mean it's just you're too many committees, too many meetings it can't happen.

576
00:55:32.490 --> 00:55:34.230
Elizabeth Wright: When all this stuff started.

577
00:55:35.370 --> 00:55:41.430
Elizabeth Wright: I didn't know anything so i've got robert's rules of order, the latest and greatest version.

578
00:55:43.530 --> 00:55:45.210
Elizabeth Wright: it's an advisory position.

579
00:55:46.560 --> 00:55:52.230
Elizabeth Wright: and whoever is in charge of the meeting doesn't have to follow the advice.

580
00:55:54.060 --> 00:56:14.670
Elizabeth Wright: We advised is according to robert's rules, how to run the meeting so that everything is equitable and there is a particular sequence of things, for example, whether it's the difference between postpone and table okay you've got a parliamentarian around to make those.

581
00:56:16.200 --> 00:56:19.170
Elizabeth Wright: explanations to the chair of the meeting.

582
00:56:20.490 --> 00:56:21.030
Elizabeth Wright: Okay.

583
00:56:24.390 --> 00:56:24.630
Elizabeth Wright: But.

584
00:56:26.040 --> 00:56:28.290
Elizabeth Wright: it's not just robert's rules.

585
00:56:29.880 --> 00:56:37.080
Elizabeth Wright: The parliamentarians role is also to keep the Committee, whatever the committee is or the organization.

586
00:56:38.280 --> 00:56:39.810
Elizabeth Wright: providing guidance Cork.

587
00:56:40.860 --> 00:56:48.810
Elizabeth Wright: out of trouble to make sure they stay within the law stay within the rules and that's a long list.

588
00:56:50.040 --> 00:56:51.510
Elizabeth Wright: You have the state rules.

589
00:56:52.650 --> 00:57:10.200
Elizabeth Wright: You have rulings from the city attorney you have city ordinances you have bunk you have done, you have the bylaws, you have the standing rules, all of these are above robert's rules.

590
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.680
Elizabeth Wright: and your parliamentarian gives advice, based on that hierarchy.

591
00:57:24.270 --> 00:57:33.690
Elizabeth Wright: So it's advice only and if the parliamentarian is not asked to be parliamentarian for committee it's just like any other stakeholder.

592
00:57:42.720 --> 00:57:43.710
Elizabeth Wright: My understanding.

593
00:57:43.830 --> 00:57:45.000
Elizabeth Wright: Having read Robert truth.

594
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:50.640
Ivan: Right over can I have the floor.

595
00:57:51.600 --> 00:57:52.200
Oliver Fries: Go ahead.

596
00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:55.890
Ivan: Alright folks so.

597
00:57:56.940 --> 00:58:00.450
Ivan: there's been a lot of misinformation floating around about all this.

598
00:58:03.780 --> 00:58:08.400
Ivan: There were some things you probably need to know about how the parliamentarian work.

599
00:58:10.740 --> 00:58:12.870
Ivan: Most of what was said is correct.

600
00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:18.270
Ivan: we're in a situation now because of the pandemic.

601
00:58:19.650 --> 00:58:23.310
Ivan: That is the parliamentarian for the board.

602
00:58:24.600 --> 00:58:26.910
Ivan: can't really function, the way.

603
00:58:28.110 --> 00:58:29.700
Ivan: It says that I should.

604
00:58:31.020 --> 00:58:33.120
Ivan: Normally I would sit behind the Chair.

605
00:58:34.530 --> 00:58:45.810
Ivan: And I would pass notes around talk quietly about things that were going on now, because everything is public everybody gets to hear this advice.

606
00:58:50.730 --> 00:59:01.440
Ivan: Just to be clear, this is one of the things i'm being charged with I am not the parliamentarian currently on any committee.

607
00:59:03.390 --> 00:59:19.740
Ivan: The only way I could be the chair of the committee asked if I would be the parliamentarian use a permanently or for a specific item where they think they're going to need help, they can appoint me for that which happened a few months ago.

608
00:59:22.140 --> 00:59:24.600
Ivan: I am not automatically on every committee.

609
00:59:26.760 --> 00:59:29.610
Ivan: I am not a member parliamentarian.

610
00:59:32.400 --> 00:59:41.310
Ivan: I am a stakeholder and i'm allowed to participate on any committee that the Chair would appoint me to.

611
00:59:44.670 --> 00:59:54.570
Ivan: I am not the parliamentarian on this committee, so there is no conflict, probably the thing about.

612
00:59:55.920 --> 01:00:02.430
Ivan: I shouldn't be voting on things that affect my job that's probably a good idea.

613
01:00:04.950 --> 01:00:15.870
Ivan: But I am allowed to vote on everything else, now the source for all this and Jim I know you've had this conversation I want to see this stuff and writing.

614
01:00:17.730 --> 01:00:24.660
Ivan: Enough of these will I met with well this one told me this who I met with people from done told me something totally opposite.

615
01:00:26.700 --> 01:00:30.900
Ivan: I want to see this stuff in writing before you do anything with it.

616
01:00:33.180 --> 01:00:38.040
Ivan: Because people make stuff up as they go along, including the city attorney.

617
01:00:40.110 --> 01:00:47.370
Ivan: put it in writing and then we have something to look at now, it says a lot of this already covered.

618
01:00:49.770 --> 01:00:53.790
Ivan: robert's rules is our parliamentary authority.

619
01:00:56.100 --> 01:01:02.670
Ivan: There is a section and robert's rules that defines what a parliamentarian does.

620
01:01:03.750 --> 01:01:21.960
Ivan: So before you start making something up from scratch, I suggest that everybody read that I gave it to German daffodil when I was first put on for this current board I gave it to Oliver that's what you need to follow it defines all of this.

621
01:01:25.200 --> 01:01:36.300
Ivan: So if you want to create something new, what you're doing you're going to be overriding robert's rules and then you're going to have all kinds of other problem.

622
01:01:39.960 --> 01:01:42.360
Ivan: All right, it's all there.

623
01:01:44.070 --> 01:01:52.320
Ivan: Why don't you start with that you can read through it and then see if it fits there are so many so much misinformation.

624
01:01:53.370 --> 01:02:02.610
Ivan: going on about this, like the parliamentarian can only talk if he's asked the question, well, it says, specifically and robert's rules.

625
01:02:03.150 --> 01:02:15.810
Ivan: parliamentarian, has a duty if the Chair is getting into read you know moving down a wrong road where they get themselves into trouble, I have a duty to bring that up to the Chair.

626
01:02:17.940 --> 01:02:23.970
Ivan: You know, turn have to listen and let's move right I don't make the rules.

627
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:31.470
Ivan: I told the Chair what the pin, my opinion is on certain things they can override me.

628
01:02:33.330 --> 01:02:34.800
Ivan: I don't fight that stuff.

629
01:02:36.210 --> 01:02:36.510
Ivan: Okay.

630
01:02:38.460 --> 01:02:45.420
Ivan: it's also very specific in robert's rules that the parliamentarian works on bylaws.

631
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.440
Ivan: they're supposed to be a Bible expert.

632
01:02:50.580 --> 01:03:00.540
Ivan: And works with the organization to create an amended bylaws so that whole thing you're going to have to rewrite Robert truth.

633
01:03:02.970 --> 01:03:04.590
Ivan: that's not what it says.

634
01:03:06.120 --> 01:03:21.360
Ivan: Okay, there are more thing oh this thing about money i've been doing this now for 15 years for this board i've worked for probably 20 other neighborhood Councils of the parliamentarian i've never received a penny.

635
01:03:22.830 --> 01:03:29.880
Ivan: So this stuff about anything having to do with money, I would certainly we choose to sell from that if it came up.

636
01:03:31.560 --> 01:03:33.930
Ivan: But that's not it's never happened.

637
01:03:35.010 --> 01:03:37.530
Ivan: Now, the last thing is about the word bias.

638
01:03:38.970 --> 01:03:40.320
Ivan: It was put in there.

639
01:03:42.390 --> 01:03:50.760
Ivan: You know it's going to be very hard to define I always feel like i'm being unbiased i'm trying to be neutral.

640
01:03:51.900 --> 01:03:53.460
Ivan: it's very difficult.

641
01:03:54.570 --> 01:04:03.690
Ivan: As any of you have ever been in that position knows everybody is biased one way and the other the Chair exposed to be unbiased.

642
01:04:04.590 --> 01:04:20.310
Ivan: Look at our chairs going back over the last 15 years and you find one that is unbiased that has spoken on items so you're going to create a whole new thing my suggestion is rules, the word on bias, because that's.

643
01:04:22.260 --> 01:04:38.550
Ivan: You know how are you going to define that too, please summarize go back to robert's rules read the definition of what a parliamentarian is supposed to do and I follow that everywhere, I can.

644
01:04:39.450 --> 01:04:51.810
Ivan: There were some things where it's hard to because the brown at supersedes robert's rules and coming in and timber robert's rules is okay, with it, but the vital at the brown act overrides.

645
01:04:54.750 --> 01:04:57.810
Ivan: All right, so you have to know what you're doing.

646
01:05:01.110 --> 01:05:02.700
Ivan: i'm gonna leave that for now.

647
01:05:04.350 --> 01:05:08.640
Ivan: that's what I suggest you do if you over define this.

648
01:05:09.900 --> 01:05:13.980
Ivan: If you try to change all this stuff good luck getting a parliamentarian.

649
01:05:17.400 --> 01:05:19.440
Ivan: Thanks okay i'm done.

650
01:05:19.860 --> 01:05:20.400
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

651
01:05:20.640 --> 01:05:21.030
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

652
01:05:22.470 --> 01:05:27.450
Daffodil Tyminski: Can I suggest we bring this back next month with an actual motion, and then we have something to work with.

653
01:05:28.680 --> 01:05:29.190
james murez: Yes.

654
01:05:29.400 --> 01:05:30.180
james murez: I think that.

655
01:05:30.300 --> 01:05:32.280
CJ Cole: You come up with a motion tonight.

656
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:37.860
james murez: I think that we, we we probably want to, I know I I hear you a daffodil and I don't.

657
01:05:38.580 --> 01:05:43.590
james murez: i'm not objecting to that, but I just want to make sure that we're clear on what the motion is, we want to come up with.

658
01:05:43.950 --> 01:05:58.170
james murez: And then we can put it on next month's agenda and give everybody a chance to think about it, I just read read the parliamentarians it's on page 17 of the current bylaws read read it and and the one word that's in there, that that.

659
01:05:59.190 --> 01:06:07.380
james murez: The city attorney as Ivan just said is unclear is the issue of unbiased and the, the idea was that.

660
01:06:08.070 --> 01:06:22.380
james murez: You know if if the parliamentarian can't vote on this committee, based on things that they're you know that define their role, then that would solve the problem, but maybe the simple solution is just take out the word on bias, but.

661
01:06:22.890 --> 01:06:25.680
james murez: yeah as as Ivan was describing it.

662
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:30.450
james murez: So I always understood, but the bylaws are not clear on it.

663
01:06:32.550 --> 01:06:49.560
james murez: Is he the parliamentarian for all committees and i'm sorry using i'm using is as though you're a third party, but that actually i'm saying is the parliamentarian, the parliamentarian for all committees or just the board that's not clear in our bylaws.

664
01:06:51.360 --> 01:06:53.340
james murez: It just says the parliamentarian up.

665
01:06:53.340 --> 01:06:54.540
Ivan: Every year.

666
01:06:55.230 --> 01:06:57.060
Ivan: it's wherever a chair.

667
01:06:57.270 --> 01:06:58.110
james murez: It doesn't say.

668
01:06:59.190 --> 01:07:06.300
james murez: It doesn't say that that's all i'm saying i'm not complaining about it i'm just saying it doesn't say that so maybe it should be defined.

669
01:07:07.590 --> 01:07:10.560
Ivan: It says that the Chair.

670
01:07:12.690 --> 01:07:13.440
Ivan: Of the board.

671
01:07:14.160 --> 01:07:15.630
Ivan: Point for parliamentarian.

672
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:17.430
james murez: All about it doesn't say what.

673
01:07:17.580 --> 01:07:18.210
Ivan: He says.

674
01:07:18.390 --> 01:07:19.170
james murez: No, it doesn't.

675
01:07:20.370 --> 01:07:21.120
Ivan: In the Bible.

676
01:07:21.330 --> 01:07:22.710
james murez: there's there's the bylaws.

677
01:07:24.660 --> 01:07:27.210
CJ Cole: yeah well, it says is that you.

678
01:07:28.380 --> 01:07:29.970
CJ Cole: But not like they're doing, he is.

679
01:07:30.090 --> 01:07:35.190
james murez: It says the president's appointing it doesn't say what they're what they're what they're constrained to yeah.

680
01:07:36.060 --> 01:07:36.450
So.

681
01:07:42.180 --> 01:07:42.450
Ivan: No.

682
01:07:42.510 --> 01:07:43.890
james murez: it's just me personally.

683
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.710
Ivan: heard reports to the Chair.

684
01:07:47.340 --> 01:07:48.360
james murez: Now it doesn't say that.

685
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:50.760
Ivan: Well, but that's what to robert's rules.

686
01:07:51.300 --> 01:07:54.420
james murez: Okay, but it doesn't it doesn't say that here it.

687
01:07:54.570 --> 01:07:59.340
Ivan: says we will follow robert's rules Jackson robert's rules.

688
01:07:59.640 --> 01:08:00.060
Okay.

689
01:08:02.280 --> 01:08:20.640
Ivan: If you want to override robert's rules, the board can do that, but again, be careful, if the if the parliamentarian, and again I am not a member on this or any other i'm not the parliamentarian on this committee or any other committee.

690
01:08:21.720 --> 01:08:26.430
james murez: Current but it says here that the President is to is appointing you.

691
01:08:26.670 --> 01:08:32.430
james murez: So if i'm a blank if i'm the President i'm appointing you that, how can all of her also point you.

692
01:08:33.090 --> 01:08:34.080
james murez: just get out.

693
01:08:34.620 --> 01:08:49.710
Ivan: He didn't he's the chair of this committee, the Chair, I mean that probably should be rewritten the President or the Chair, but you know I didn't think it was right for the parliamentarian tasks to be.

694
01:08:50.880 --> 01:08:53.370
Ivan: The parliamentarian on every committee.

695
01:08:53.640 --> 01:08:55.530
james murez: Okay, but i'm not complaining about it.

696
01:08:55.560 --> 01:08:57.390
james murez: i've been i've been i'm not complaining about it.

697
01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:03.990
james murez: i'm just saying that if we want to if we want to clean this up, we ought to be thinking about what do we want it to say.

698
01:09:04.380 --> 01:09:11.130
james murez: The only thing that I was concerned about after my conversation was the one word that says, an unbiased parliamentarian.

699
01:09:11.490 --> 01:09:22.860
james murez: And, and it was clear that there would be bias, based on the complaint that was made, if you were voting on things that directly affected, you, you would then be biased in that situation.

700
01:09:23.370 --> 01:09:31.140
james murez: Because we be right, you there would be no way that you wouldn't be because it was directly affecting you, and that was the only one thing.

701
01:09:31.410 --> 01:09:45.660
james murez: That I was trying to get a dress was to resolve the complaints that were before us with the with the city now if we want to go in and fix these other things, to make things more clear.

702
01:09:46.290 --> 01:09:52.920
james murez: That we can do that no problem i'm not saying that they need to be done i'm just saying we can clarify that, if we want it.

703
01:09:54.030 --> 01:10:00.030
james murez: If you say robert's rules already has that it wouldn't probably no reason to try and redefine it.

704
01:10:01.140 --> 01:10:07.200
james murez: I don't believe that robert's rules has anything in here about something being biased or being unbiased.

705
01:10:08.430 --> 01:10:12.930
Ivan: Right, because you that's the word that's the problem you're correct.

706
01:10:13.200 --> 01:10:16.920
Ivan: Okay, and I think as soon as you start defining that.

707
01:10:18.480 --> 01:10:21.390
Ivan: you're going to need an entire board meeting on that one.

708
01:10:21.540 --> 01:10:25.410
james murez: So when you wrote that rule into there, and I assume you wrote it into there.

709
01:10:25.680 --> 01:10:26.250
Ivan: I would.

710
01:10:26.940 --> 01:10:28.440
james murez: What was your engine.

711
01:10:28.470 --> 01:10:29.400
Ivan: That roadmap yeah.

712
01:10:29.490 --> 01:10:33.090
james murez: yeah What was your intention, about being unbiased.

713
01:10:34.260 --> 01:10:36.780
Ivan: We had this it wasn't mine.

714
01:10:39.240 --> 01:10:49.350
Ivan: That What happened was we had long discussions about this, we had to come up with the word and that's the word we came up with people wanted at that point.

715
01:10:50.400 --> 01:10:50.910
Ivan: Okay.

716
01:10:51.990 --> 01:11:12.750
Ivan: i've always tried to be unbiased best I can nobody's perfect you've always heard me say if I need to make a comment on something I always say I not speak English, the parliamentarian now i'm speaking as a stakeholder and once I do, that I am no longer the parliamentarian for that issue.

717
01:11:15.420 --> 01:11:17.940
Ivan: Okay you're saying why is the Chair.

718
01:11:18.990 --> 01:11:25.440
Ivan: You can't speak as the Chair on you know you can't take sides on an issue without giving up the gavel.

719
01:11:25.770 --> 01:11:37.740
Ivan: Right Okay, so I mean some of it says there is an ethical thing if people have specific things you know people don't agree with some of the opinions I have that's fine.

720
01:11:38.550 --> 01:11:38.820
Ivan: well.

721
01:11:38.880 --> 01:11:39.480
james murez: I would be.

722
01:11:40.020 --> 01:11:40.740
james murez: Just hanging out.

723
01:11:40.950 --> 01:11:42.420
Ivan: There have the final state.

724
01:11:42.840 --> 01:11:46.710
james murez: I would be in favor of just taking out the word and saying we're done we you know.

725
01:11:47.730 --> 01:11:48.630
james murez: The issue is done.

726
01:11:48.810 --> 01:11:50.220
Ivan: i'd be fine with that too.

727
01:11:50.730 --> 01:11:55.620
james murez: But I don't I don't exactly I mean does anybody else have any feelings about why unbiased is in there.

728
01:11:58.290 --> 01:12:03.870
Daffodil Tyminski: But personally i'm with Ivan on this one, I think it's a terrible word it means so much that it means nothing.

729
01:12:05.970 --> 01:12:16.710
james murez: So if we wanted to take it out, we just have to propose this as a revision to the bylaws that we could stick into the standing rule, so let the board approve it without that word in there.

730
01:12:17.310 --> 01:12:21.150
Ivan: No, no, no, no, you know this it's a bylaw.

731
01:12:22.530 --> 01:12:27.000
Ivan: You have to change the bylaw you kick the standing rule can override the by law.

732
01:12:27.300 --> 01:12:30.120
james murez: So we can't we couldn't do that and vote on that at this point.

733
01:12:30.540 --> 01:12:30.960
No.

734
01:12:32.220 --> 01:12:32.880
james murez: interesting.

735
01:12:33.960 --> 01:12:34.920
james murez: That we should we should.

736
01:12:35.280 --> 01:12:38.850
james murez: You know, think about do what I way, let me just ask a question.

737
01:12:40.800 --> 01:12:43.950
james murez: Then the the procedure at this point would be.

738
01:12:45.240 --> 01:12:59.040
james murez: Excuse me, we revise this by taking out the word today we propose it to the board the board says yes, it goes into our proposed by law revision.

739
01:12:59.040 --> 01:12:59.970
Ivan: document and no.

740
01:13:00.150 --> 01:13:07.440
james murez: It doesn't have to go to done, and done has to then approve it, and then it comes back to us, and then it would be removed, no, no.

741
01:13:07.500 --> 01:13:08.010
Ivan: No you're wrong.

742
01:13:08.670 --> 01:13:13.110
Ivan: Right, this is my suggestion okay yep.

743
01:13:15.240 --> 01:13:18.480
Ivan: And we haven't gotten to this point yet it's not just about this.

744
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:30.090
Ivan: When we've done major bylaws revisions in the past which this is probably going to be considered a medium, you know they're going to be a bunch of revisions.

745
01:13:30.330 --> 01:13:40.290
Ivan: Okay, bring them in all at the same time, we, the committee can pass them, this would be a proposed amendment to the bylaws.

746
01:13:42.660 --> 01:13:42.960
Ivan: Okay.

747
01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:43.830
james murez: Okay.

748
01:13:43.890 --> 01:14:01.050
Ivan: We can gather this all up when the committee's work is done you take the whole thing and go before the board and usually takes a couple of hours going at this peach meal is not the way to do it, I haven't liked it so long, but I did want same thing.

749
01:14:01.290 --> 01:14:03.960
james murez: Why do, why do not want to do a piecemeal.

750
01:14:04.740 --> 01:14:07.200
Ivan: Because the board can't see the whole picture.

751
01:14:10.140 --> 01:14:13.650
james murez: But don't the bylaws each had stand on their own merit.

752
01:14:14.550 --> 01:14:20.760
Ivan: They do, but there are a lot of them are into I mean we've only gotten to we're just talking about this one.

753
01:14:22.380 --> 01:14:30.750
james murez: yeah i'm i'm gonna i'm an object to that, I think I haven't I think we're going to take it piecemeal and we'll just keep publishing it that this this one and that one was adopted.

754
01:14:30.990 --> 01:14:35.520
james murez: And these have not yet been adopted at the end of the day, all of them will be adopted at one time.

755
01:14:36.030 --> 01:14:49.500
james murez: I mean that at the end of the day, every single one will be adopted and once every single ones adopt to it, otherwise it's going to end up taking an entire board meeting we're not going to 21 people around the table to listen to for four hours of going through this.

756
01:14:49.890 --> 01:15:00.180
Ivan: It might not have to be let's get further down the road, I mean if somebody wants to come back next month, and now i'm being a parliamentarian, you know.

757
01:15:01.260 --> 01:15:13.710
Ivan: If someone wants to come back next month with a motion to remove the word to men, the bylaws to remove the word on by X, the committee would approve it or not.

758
01:15:15.690 --> 01:15:19.980
Ivan: It then goes, at whatever point it then goes to the board.

759
01:15:21.450 --> 01:15:27.270
Ivan: The Ward will approve it or not, or change it, it then goes to done.

760
01:15:27.990 --> 01:15:30.240
Ivan: Right john signs off on it.

761
01:15:30.510 --> 01:15:43.200
Ivan: Okay, now there were there were certain things that that I don't think we're going to do anything but certain things, then have to go to bunk for approval after done.

762
01:15:43.530 --> 01:15:43.920
james murez: Okay.

763
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:50.400
Ivan: Do with changing the boundaries changing the board structure, they squeeze those two things.

764
01:15:50.910 --> 01:15:55.860
Ivan: Okay, so if we were to add a scene onto the board, for example.

765
01:15:56.040 --> 01:15:57.300
Ivan: That we have to put a bump.

766
01:15:59.550 --> 01:16:04.410
Ivan: Alright that's down the road and remember, we have to do this before April.

767
01:16:04.740 --> 01:16:05.430
Ivan: Right well.

768
01:16:06.810 --> 01:16:10.620
Ivan: You can't buy lords moratorium goes back into effect in April.

769
01:16:11.010 --> 01:16:15.360
james murez: Oliver daffodil has her hand up and it sounds like we're not going to finish this tonight.

770
01:16:16.530 --> 01:16:17.460
Oliver Fries: Good go ahead.

771
01:16:18.270 --> 01:16:28.440
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh yeah thanks silver i'm i'm 1,000% with Ivan on this, that this has to be done, all together, if we start picking these apart, one by one and revising.

772
01:16:28.440 --> 01:16:31.350
Ivan: them definite can you speak up I can't hear you.

773
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:34.050
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh i'm sorry can everyone else here me.

774
01:16:34.650 --> 01:16:35.580
james murez: Your your pain.

775
01:16:36.450 --> 01:16:39.090
Oliver Fries: I am so sorry, let me see if I can fix that.

776
01:16:39.240 --> 01:16:42.150
Daffodil Tyminski: Apparently, only the dog is loud in this House, no.

777
01:16:43.980 --> 01:16:45.120
Daffodil Tyminski: hold on a second.

778
01:16:47.610 --> 01:16:56.340
Daffodil Tyminski: um i'll just talk louder i'm 1,000% with Ivan on this one, I feel like these have to be done, all together, if we start picking them apart piecemeal.

779
01:16:57.360 --> 01:17:03.600
Daffodil Tyminski: I think this is why the bylaws are in such bad shape is because one day we're dealt with piecemeal and to.

780
01:17:04.260 --> 01:17:10.890
Daffodil Tyminski: dine made changes without us realizing it right and so now we're kind of trying to figure out where the problems are.

781
01:17:11.820 --> 01:17:23.280
Daffodil Tyminski: To ivan's point and a little bit to see jay's point earlier, I think we just need to start at one and work our way through and figure out what works, what do we want to keep what doesn't work.

782
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:33.150
Daffodil Tyminski: How does this fit, but I think there are two interrelated to do it, one by one we're good I mean yes we're going to have probably to board meetings just on the bylaws.

783
01:17:33.750 --> 01:17:40.800
Daffodil Tyminski: And we'll probably have to have a special meeting for it, but I think in the long run will be way better off and will actually get a better product out of it.

784
01:17:41.610 --> 01:17:41.970
yeah.

785
01:17:42.990 --> 01:17:47.430
Ivan: So that's my two cents so Oliver Can I make a suggestion to you.

786
01:17:47.820 --> 01:17:48.390
yeah.

787
01:17:50.070 --> 01:17:50.520
Ivan: The.

788
01:17:53.280 --> 01:18:04.410
Ivan: The first bite well, not the first one, but we did the major revision to the bylaws, which is when dd became President we had about 15 people on this committee.

789
01:18:05.610 --> 01:18:08.220
Ivan: i'm not saying, if you do that, but.

790
01:18:10.290 --> 01:18:23.790
Ivan: We kept dividing into task forces all right, we need to deal with this who wants to be on that group we want to be under I mean you know I think you know, and I can help you do this break it into sections.

791
01:18:25.080 --> 01:18:38.040
Ivan: Have a test for me talk it through and then bring it back to the committee and we'll have with hopefully emotion recommendation and then we'll have some the go go into these one, at a time, with the committee, you know.

792
01:18:40.680 --> 01:18:55.620
CJ Cole: yeah I think that's why i'm thinking is that, as a committee we can do them one, at a time as an eagle but we just aren't going to take them as a bylaws change except all at one point.

793
01:18:56.940 --> 01:19:02.610
Ivan: Well we're going to be meeting every every weekend cj, we have to get this done and to the board.

794
01:19:03.360 --> 01:19:04.050
CJ Cole: I know we.

795
01:19:04.260 --> 01:19:04.920
Ivan: Are April.

796
01:19:05.580 --> 01:19:10.440
james murez: I know boy if it's in if it's in April don't we actually have to have it done in March.

797
01:19:11.340 --> 01:19:19.830
Ivan: Well, depending on when our last meeting is yeah I mean we could meet the first week in April 2 weekend, it was once we get it on to the agenda.

798
01:19:19.830 --> 01:19:21.990
Ivan: Okay, so we have to be special meeting.

799
01:19:22.140 --> 01:19:25.260
james murez: This this committee has to have it done by the end of February.

800
01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:28.440
Ivan: Well that's a little sooner, but okay.

801
01:19:28.710 --> 01:19:30.450
james murez: Well, because if it's going to take two.

802
01:19:30.450 --> 01:19:32.760
james murez: or three meetings to get through it at the board.

803
01:19:33.210 --> 01:19:37.290
james murez: We have to be able to have a meeting every week on the board in March.

804
01:19:38.730 --> 01:19:39.720
james murez: we're going to have four boys.

805
01:19:40.500 --> 01:19:47.520
Ivan: We don't know you don't know how many changes we're gonna make this is just flew by was standing rules, we can do anytime.

806
01:19:48.000 --> 01:19:54.750
Ivan: right and it only it's only a majority vote remember the board it's a two thirds vote.

807
01:19:55.230 --> 01:19:56.370
Ivan: thrive in the wild walk.

808
01:19:57.270 --> 01:19:57.600
Right.

809
01:19:59.370 --> 01:19:59.670
Ivan: Through.

810
01:20:00.030 --> 01:20:14.040
CJ Cole: What i'm asking, though, is, can we not in a piecemeal fashion address one item at a time within our committee to come up with us how we would like to have that go.

811
01:20:15.150 --> 01:20:17.580
CJ Cole: To you know, changing the bylaws.

812
01:20:18.600 --> 01:20:25.440
CJ Cole: In other words, as a committee we can't wait until you know, a point and do all at once.

813
01:20:27.060 --> 01:20:28.560
CJ Cole: You only have to do them one, at a time.

814
01:20:28.620 --> 01:20:39.180
Ivan: So maybe we should think about for the next couple of months meeting every other week and the weekend between are these Task Force meeting.

815
01:20:40.620 --> 01:20:44.880
Ivan: Okay, and we have to figure out the holidays, obviously, but.

816
01:20:46.050 --> 01:20:51.030
Ivan: I know I mean, I have one i've already Oliver I haven't had I been trying to call you.

817
01:20:52.590 --> 01:21:03.060
Ivan: I have something that I wrote the whole thing about the neighborhood committee originally and there were reasons why and politically things we had to do and it's never.

818
01:21:03.570 --> 01:21:12.030
Ivan: except when mark Salzburg was was the chair of the neighborhood committee it's never really function properly.

819
01:21:12.660 --> 01:21:22.500
Ivan: it's hard to get people to be honest people come in with a role their complaint and I really you know, so I reached out to daffodil and to.

820
01:21:23.490 --> 01:21:34.650
Ivan: drop the last two fights records and we're going to try to get together this week and just look at the whole thing of the neighborhood committee and see if there's any point, even to.

821
01:21:35.130 --> 01:21:40.920
Ivan: continue doing it was it's been a struggle I don't I didn't want to get everybody involved with this.

822
01:21:41.370 --> 01:21:49.260
Ivan: But I think the three of us can come up with something and it might mean get rid of the neighborhood Committee, you know if we can't figure out how to make it work better.

823
01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:58.500
Ivan: Then we'll bring into back to the group so that's just one idea, there are other areas that need, and this is something you need to do is the Chair.

824
01:21:59.760 --> 01:22:05.640
Ivan: And i'll be glad to work with you on you know, on this come up with some things areas that we know are going to.

825
01:22:07.020 --> 01:22:12.960
Ivan: Create discussion and let's get some task forces going and it doesn't all have to be committee members.

826
01:22:14.250 --> 01:22:15.630
Ivan: We can bring in other people.

827
01:22:19.350 --> 01:22:19.830
Oliver Fries: Okay.

828
01:22:20.430 --> 01:22:23.010
Ivan: All right, that's my suggestion about how to get this.

829
01:22:24.900 --> 01:22:25.320
Oliver Fries: off.

830
01:22:26.700 --> 01:22:38.790
Ivan: And just focus on the bios from now to stats in deadline is doing that creates that we have to do a standard rule we can always do that too, but that that could be down the road.

831
01:22:39.510 --> 01:22:51.630
james murez: If what cj was saying, and I think she's correct their stuff in the Standing rules of blondes in the bylaws and stuff in the bylaws that shouldn't be in there at all, and they step in the bylaws that might might better belong in the Standing roles.

832
01:22:51.810 --> 01:22:55.770
Ivan: we've already vetted all that Jim over the years.

833
01:22:58.260 --> 01:22:58.830
james murez: Okay.

834
01:22:59.280 --> 01:23:01.770
Ivan: You know, it always went the other way.

835
01:23:02.940 --> 01:23:11.100
Ivan: And it had to do with because of the war, torn them, which is for a year, we can change our bylaws.

836
01:23:12.210 --> 01:23:13.740
Ivan: There were things that came up that.

837
01:23:14.370 --> 01:23:19.110
james murez: I understand Ivan I understand really the way off we're way off topic.

838
01:23:19.170 --> 01:23:20.460
james murez: At this point, and.

839
01:23:20.490 --> 01:23:21.090
Ivan: We are.

840
01:23:21.150 --> 01:23:21.780
james murez: Getting late.

841
01:23:22.350 --> 01:23:22.800
Ivan: you're right.

842
01:23:24.210 --> 01:23:25.170
Ivan: Okay i'm done.

843
01:23:26.760 --> 01:23:28.560
Oliver Fries: Okay i'm.

844
01:23:29.610 --> 01:23:29.820
Oliver Fries: gonna.

845
01:23:29.940 --> 01:23:32.400
Ivan: get a promotion, but I probably should.

846
01:23:34.260 --> 01:23:34.860
Ivan: On this one.

847
01:23:36.870 --> 01:23:39.510
Ivan: Of the role of the voluntary is.

848
01:23:40.050 --> 01:23:41.310
Daffodil Tyminski: make a motion to postpone.

849
01:23:41.310 --> 01:23:46.890
Daffodil Tyminski: This item until we can have language crafted to satisfy the outcome of the motion.

850
01:23:47.970 --> 01:23:48.600
Elizabeth Wright: seconded.

851
01:23:52.050 --> 01:23:53.880
Daffodil Tyminski: Do we have any public comment.

852
01:23:54.540 --> 01:23:56.400
james murez: There is, I.

853
01:23:56.610 --> 01:24:00.810
james murez: don't think you have to take public comment when you're postponing an item.

854
01:24:02.460 --> 01:24:05.130
Ivan: know you probably don't know something like this.

855
01:24:05.580 --> 01:24:06.870
Daffodil Tyminski: It doesn't seem to be any anyway.

856
01:24:07.320 --> 01:24:08.400
Oliver Fries: So we'll take a vote.

857
01:24:08.490 --> 01:24:09.720
Oliver Fries: yeah okay.

858
01:24:15.900 --> 01:24:25.980
Oliver Fries: So we're voting to postpone item six parliamentarian role that definition until we have some some better language here and there's an actual emotion.

859
01:24:27.270 --> 01:24:29.070
Oliver Fries: I vote yes to postpone.

860
01:24:31.350 --> 01:24:33.780
Oliver Fries: daffodil to minsky yes.

861
01:24:35.190 --> 01:24:36.120
Oliver Fries: cj call.

862
01:24:36.330 --> 01:24:36.900
Yes.

863
01:24:39.240 --> 01:24:40.080
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

864
01:24:40.530 --> 01:24:41.010
Yes.

865
01:24:42.480 --> 01:24:43.500
Oliver Fries: I Evan Spiegel.

866
01:24:44.580 --> 01:24:47.730
Ivan: um I don't have to, but I will stay.

867
01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:51.030
Oliver Fries: Jim yes.

868
01:24:51.360 --> 01:24:51.870
Yes.

869
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:57.690
Oliver Fries: Okay that's five yeses one extension, the motion passes.

870
01:24:59.640 --> 01:25:00.150
Okay.

871
01:25:01.620 --> 01:25:07.680
Oliver Fries: Next is comments on the comments on items, not on the agenda for consideration.

872
01:25:09.540 --> 01:25:16.350
Oliver Fries: Any any public comment or comments that are not on the agenda, I see Lisa redmond has her hand open.

873
01:25:18.960 --> 01:25:20.670
Oliver Fries: Go ahead Lisa.

874
01:25:20.730 --> 01:25:28.320
Lisa Redmond: yeah honestly i'm a little confused because I have a completely different agenda in front of me, then what played out this evening.

875
01:25:28.890 --> 01:25:43.590
Lisa Redmond: And I prepared for comments and did research and I don't know did the agenda change when did it change was it publicly changed, how can I wasn't sent a new agenda or all of those kind of things.

876
01:25:43.920 --> 01:25:58.710
Lisa Redmond: I know you don't answer questions and public comment but i'm i'm a little frustrated because I thought I was coming to a meeting that had several different motions that I spent time to prepare for to speak on and do research on so.

877
01:26:00.150 --> 01:26:00.750
Lisa Redmond: that's that.

878
01:26:05.190 --> 01:26:19.200
Oliver Fries: Yes, so I posted the agenda that we went over at beyond broke on Saturday and I had also posted it online, but today, there was some provisions that the city wanted me to put in.

879
01:26:19.620 --> 01:26:26.220
Oliver Fries: And when I put it in it was the the old agenda, so, if you look now the correct agendas up this only happened about three hours ago.

880
01:26:27.390 --> 01:26:29.670
Oliver Fries: So so apologies there on my part.

881
01:26:30.390 --> 01:26:36.000
Lisa Redmond: Well then, what happens to all those other emotions are they ever going to come back because they just disappear.

882
01:26:36.720 --> 01:26:40.560
Oliver Fries: The person who made those motions went through all of them, so if someone wants to.

883
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:42.540
Oliver Fries: The portal right.

884
01:26:43.230 --> 01:26:48.750
Lisa Redmond: that's all that explains it he's been withdrawing motions right and left everywhere okay.

885
01:26:49.140 --> 01:26:49.710
Oliver Fries: Thanks so much.

886
01:26:55.530 --> 01:26:58.080
james murez: Is there anybody else have public comments.

887
01:27:01.140 --> 01:27:06.960
Daffodil Tyminski: it's not public, but just leased it just so you know to that's what we were discussing why we ended up starting late.

888
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:14.970
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay he'd made a comment earlier about us starting late and what was going on, we were dealing with that issue I don't know if you're paying attention to the conversation but that's.

889
01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:18.540
Lisa Redmond: Now let me ended up winning got a snack okay.

890
01:27:18.570 --> 01:27:19.920
Daffodil Tyminski: Just so you know it wasn't out of.

891
01:27:19.920 --> 01:27:24.180
Daffodil Tyminski: disrespect to the public, we were trying to deal with the ministerial issues that we were stuck with with the city.

892
01:27:24.690 --> 01:27:25.590
Lisa Redmond: Thanks daffodil.

893
01:27:42.810 --> 01:27:44.190
Daffodil Tyminski: We only have a candy.

894
01:27:44.250 --> 01:27:45.960
james murez: Oliver years Oliver your.

895
01:27:46.890 --> 01:27:52.140
Oliver Fries: Turn oh whoops I didn't mean to say I was injured yeah I was saying it was 625 and I was.

896
01:27:53.820 --> 01:27:55.470
Oliver Fries: A journey in the meeting so.

897
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:57.960
james murez: All right, we all make that mistake I.

898
01:28:00.270 --> 01:28:03.960
Elizabeth Wright: apologies to everyone for my being late, and my new cars blue.

899
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:05.610
Oh, congratulations.

900
01:28:07.620 --> 01:28:08.580
Daffodil Tyminski: Congratulations.

901
01:28:08.850 --> 01:28:09.750
Elizabeth Wright: that's where I was.

902
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:12.060
Ivan: OK i'm Jim.

903
01:28:12.300 --> 01:28:21.570
Ivan: Yes, before you log off or are we still having the budget meeting on Thursday, if you were going to look into that weather was probably posted.

904
01:28:22.650 --> 01:28:37.590
james murez: You know i've left him messages and and he texted me back when was it, I think it was last night at 11 o'clock or and then he said he was going to get Ahold of me in the morning and he never did and i'm just tired of trying to follow up with them, I guess we'll find out on Thursday.

905
01:28:38.370 --> 01:28:41.310
Ivan: No, no, no it's not okay.

906
01:28:41.550 --> 01:28:46.170
james murez: Well, I don't know I mean he hasn't gotten back to me, you want to follow up with him follow up with him i've.

907
01:28:46.170 --> 01:28:46.470
Ivan: tried.

908
01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:47.490
james murez: I don't lives but.

909
01:28:47.880 --> 01:28:49.650
Ivan: This is a committee thing and definitely oh.

910
01:28:51.390 --> 01:28:51.990
Ivan: sorry that.

911
01:28:52.800 --> 01:28:56.700
Daffodil Tyminski: I also try following up as well, we can have at it, though.

912
01:28:58.440 --> 01:28:58.800
Ivan: Fine.

913
01:28:59.550 --> 01:29:00.750
Daffodil Tyminski: we'll talk about it in the morning.

914
01:29:01.680 --> 01:29:07.470
Ivan: Okay, please let us know before Thursday morning I don't want to have to get up earlier if there's no meeting.

915
01:29:08.310 --> 01:29:10.020
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh gotcha now.

916
01:29:10.380 --> 01:29:13.440
Daffodil Tyminski: I know busy day work wise on Thursday i'd prefer to know as well.

917
01:29:14.250 --> 01:29:16.440
james murez: And def Wendy are you and i'm meeting tonight.

918
01:29:18.060 --> 01:29:20.760
Daffodil Tyminski: Tonight I guess, we could.

919
01:29:21.090 --> 01:29:24.540
james murez: We can do it over zoom if you want to just do that sure sure.

920
01:29:24.630 --> 01:29:27.300
Daffodil Tyminski: We can stay on or we can I can zoom me back.

921
01:29:28.050 --> 01:29:36.990
james murez: I would need to start a new meeting, I think, well, I don't care, I mean i've been should probably stay on to if we want to anybody's welcome to I mean there's nothing magical here.

922
01:29:37.320 --> 01:29:38.400
Daffodil Tyminski: stay on this zoom.

923
01:29:38.760 --> 01:29:39.390
james murez: We can.

924
01:29:39.780 --> 01:29:42.600
Daffodil Tyminski: I can also swing by I mean you're only five houses away.

925
01:29:43.140 --> 01:29:48.030
james murez: um no I don't mind, we can just do it here and then i've been can watch as well, because it has to do with the agendas.

926
01:29:48.690 --> 01:29:49.170
Okay.

927
01:29:50.310 --> 01:29:51.510
james murez: Are you going to.

928
01:29:51.720 --> 01:29:53.280
Daffodil Tyminski: Two minutes to get some water.

929
01:29:53.610 --> 01:29:54.090
james murez: Okay.

930
01:29:54.300 --> 01:29:56.460
Daffodil Tyminski: i'll be right back, except to run downstairs.

931
01:29:56.520 --> 01:29:57.570
james murez: yeah facility go ahead.

932
01:29:58.020 --> 01:30:06.840
james murez: Down the already knows what i'm going to be showing and demonstrating because she's seen it before, but over the past couple of months i've been working on a tool.

933
01:30:07.260 --> 01:30:18.930
james murez: That will make it much easier for us to create agendas accurately and consistently and take minutes much more efficiently at all of the meetings so it'll be a tool that will be out there on the web.

934
01:30:19.380 --> 01:30:33.480
james murez: And it'll be available to all of the committee's to use if they so choose if they choose not to well that's their business um it's not going to be mandatory, but we will certainly be using it in add common at the board meetings.

935
01:30:35.190 --> 01:30:36.900
james murez: The tool is is.

936
01:30:38.010 --> 01:30:45.180
james murez: All written in in javascript, of all things and.

937
01:30:46.680 --> 01:30:52.290
james murez: It ties directly into the back end of the.

938
01:30:54.930 --> 01:31:06.360
james murez: dnc portal, meaning the dnc the website and and so there's parts of the dnc website at this point that are only available to administrators.

939
01:31:06.660 --> 01:31:12.570
james murez: And some of those functions are going to be changing and i'll demonstrate one of them tonight that will be changing that.

940
01:31:12.900 --> 01:31:24.420
james murez: committee chairs will have access to, because it will allow them to do things that they don't have yet, but the people that built the website have to add that the feature and functionality.

941
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:37.110
james murez: To the system before the chairs, will be able to have the access, they need, but in the meantime, they can use it, the way it is i'm as soon as daffodil gets back, we can get started.

942
01:31:37.770 --> 01:31:42.270
CJ Cole: i'm going to leave, but I think it's an excellent idea, Jim.

943
01:31:42.570 --> 01:31:45.510
CJ Cole: Okay, but you don't need me on the discussion.

944
01:31:45.600 --> 01:31:48.240
james murez: No, but if you want to see it's really a cool piece of software.

945
01:31:48.750 --> 01:31:53.640
CJ Cole: that's Okay, I will, I believe it I just think he should you the whole website frankly.

946
01:31:53.880 --> 01:31:56.310
james murez: Well yeah okay that's another story.

947
01:31:58.110 --> 01:31:59.340
CJ Cole: Okay i'm hanging up.

948
01:31:59.550 --> 01:32:01.020
james murez: On me okay.

949
01:32:01.290 --> 01:32:01.890
james murez: Have a good night.

950
01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:03.330
Oliver Fries: Do a couple.

951
01:32:04.650 --> 01:32:07.710
Oliver Fries: Work items as well, so i'm going to leave but i'll get the tutorial for me.

952
01:32:08.070 --> 01:32:09.180
Oliver Fries: Perfect yeah.

953
01:32:09.690 --> 01:32:10.530
james murez: there'll be a video.

954
01:32:11.160 --> 01:32:15.570
Oliver Fries: And I haven't I don't know if you can hear me but i'll try to get back to you soon Thank you everyone.

955
01:32:16.110 --> 01:32:17.250
james murez: Thank you good night.

956
01:32:48.240 --> 01:32:49.440
Daffodil Tyminski: hi there i'm so sorry.

957
01:32:49.920 --> 01:32:50.670
I had a problem.

958
01:32:52.110 --> 01:33:03.090
james murez: everybody else left, which is probably better anyway okay so i'm going to quickly share my screen with you and, as I was explaining to the other folks who just left.

959
01:33:04.890 --> 01:33:18.360
james murez: there's a feature or two that doesn't yet exist on the back end of the web portal and i'll be showing you how the back end of the Web form so maybe i'll show you that, first, because I don't know if you've ever seen this screen.

960
01:33:19.530 --> 01:33:20.790
Daffodil Tyminski: So this is going on.

961
01:33:22.380 --> 01:33:23.790
james murez: I don't know he was.

962
01:33:23.820 --> 01:33:24.630
Daffodil Tyminski: gonna stay on.

963
01:33:25.050 --> 01:33:34.530
james murez: He said he was, but I think he turned off this video I don't know why I don't know what he's doing okay so right now, when you go to the agenda request, let me log back in.

964
01:33:42.750 --> 01:33:59.760
james murez: um when you go to the dnc site and i'm an administrator as are you this is basically what it comes up and you get to see if you go to agenda requests, this is basically what you get to see the the feature that is going to be.

965
01:34:00.780 --> 01:34:01.890
james murez: modified.

966
01:34:03.150 --> 01:34:05.070
james murez: By web corner, is that.

967
01:34:06.090 --> 01:34:21.360
james murez: If i'm the Chair of the sample committee or if i'm the Chair of the homeless committee only the agenda items that have been posted to my committee will be available for me to see right right so right now, yes.

968
01:34:21.420 --> 01:34:27.540
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sorry to interrupt, but we should probably do this off of a public meeting just because we've got people's personal information over here.

969
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:30.030
james murez: Well we're the only two people on it.

970
01:34:31.980 --> 01:34:32.310
Daffodil Tyminski: um.

971
01:34:32.340 --> 01:34:34.980
james murez: Anyway, this is where they were going to be done with this part really quickly.

972
01:34:35.250 --> 01:34:38.100
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, I think there's at least one member of the public on.

973
01:34:38.340 --> 01:34:46.530
james murez: No there's not Okay, who is maybe they are they came back on hold on, let me look they weren't there a second ago.

974
01:34:48.060 --> 01:34:49.440
james murez: It was just me you and Ivan.

975
01:34:49.590 --> 01:34:53.850
Daffodil Tyminski: I don't care per se about this, but I don't know what other information is going to get displayed on this.

976
01:34:53.880 --> 01:35:00.390
james murez: Nothing else is going to get this place there's nothing to hide, here I mean I can I can recreate a zoom real quick, if you want.

977
01:35:01.320 --> 01:35:01.650
james murez: Okay.

978
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:05.370
Daffodil Tyminski: it's fine i'm just raising the issue i'm fine.

979
01:35:06.810 --> 01:35:15.630
james murez: i'm so there's a newer version of this after much discussion, you know when you click on an agenda item and you bring it up.

980
01:35:15.630 --> 01:35:19.050
james murez: And you open it up, it shows you this screen here.

981
01:35:19.440 --> 01:35:22.320
james murez: And this is the detail information right.

982
01:35:23.550 --> 01:35:33.810
james murez: If I go back to the agenda request list it shows you this information well there's some basic, fundamental flaws, here it doesn't show us the title there's no reason for it to give us the phone number.

983
01:35:34.050 --> 01:35:38.730
james murez: I mean, this is just basic stuff and up here at the top, it says pending denied and approved.

984
01:35:39.570 --> 01:35:47.880
james murez: for whatever reason, although Melissa had this design, she has never put any of these items into anything they're all pending.

985
01:35:48.270 --> 01:35:59.070
james murez: And so there's stuff that goes back here a year and they're still all just pending so that needs to be changed, so I made a request that said let's redo this.

986
01:35:59.580 --> 01:36:10.770
james murez: And they added the word new to the end and they gave me some new features they added a checkbox over here, which is very important, and they allowed me to export these items into two formats.

987
01:36:11.520 --> 01:36:19.860
james murez: One is the format that most people are accustomed to, which would be a spreadsheet that's the csv file the other one is json, which is something that I asked them to do for me.

988
01:36:20.340 --> 01:36:38.610
james murez: And down here at the bottom there's still some functional problems, but we can now take a group of these things and submit them from committee to committee or change the status of them all at once, besides being able to export just the ones that are selected With that in mind.

989
01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:50.820
james murez: I then built this tool and this tool allows me to go in and create a meeting, and these are the three basic types of meetings a general meeting and presentation meeting meeting where there's no motions being had.

990
01:36:51.390 --> 01:36:58.020
james murez: or a special meeting, which is a 24 hour notice what does it do it changes the title line, and you can go into here, and you can.

991
01:36:58.470 --> 01:37:06.840
james murez: select a particular committee that you're creating an agenda for and it brings you up who all of the members of that committee are.

992
01:37:07.170 --> 01:37:11.340
james murez: So if I select the different committee, it brings up who the members of the committee are.

993
01:37:11.790 --> 01:37:17.820
james murez: And it already knows that because I put that into the system and there's a tool in here that allows me to modify that.

994
01:37:18.240 --> 01:37:27.720
james murez: If I want to make it a joint meeting I come down here, and I can click on join that I can have a joint with multiples and if I click on this, it brings up a calendar and it lets me set the date.

995
01:37:28.110 --> 01:37:40.680
james murez: Okay, and i'll say that this meeting is going to start at 6:35am on the Seventh and just So you see that it gets set that way, and then the location here would be normally where I would put in a zoom link and i'll call this a webinar.

996
01:37:43.140 --> 01:37:51.360
james murez: And it would have a zoom link out here of some sort whatever it is, and then, and then I go ahead and I save this and it.

997
01:37:51.870 --> 01:38:04.470
james murez: downloads it to my local machine and you can see, all these others here and i'll just call the output, so we can keep this one, separate from the others i'll put an extra X here on the end and you'll see what it ends up.

998
01:38:05.820 --> 01:38:08.130
james murez: looking like but normally it just doesn't buy time.

999
01:38:08.820 --> 01:38:23.100
james murez: So I just downloaded that to my machine as a very small file I think it's like six six K Bytes or something now I can go into this agenda creation tool and I can load that new agenda that I just met.

1000
01:38:23.820 --> 01:38:33.210
james murez: And so I can open it up it's on my local machine, I can open it up and now here's my header it's going to be on December 7 at 6:35am with a web zoo.

1001
01:38:33.690 --> 01:38:49.890
james murez: OK, and now, at this point, I can go through here, and I can add items to the agenda, so I just added the opening title section which I just updated based on the new stuff, and now it has all of that okay yeah and I can.

1002
01:38:49.920 --> 01:38:51.360
Daffodil Tyminski: Do that victim, by the way.

1003
01:38:51.780 --> 01:38:52.470
james murez: Excuse me.

1004
01:38:52.650 --> 01:39:06.120
james murez: it's terrific Okay, thank you, I can do that I just did a roll call call to order Okay, so now there's a call to order and if I click on the little trash can it takes it away so I can add items and take them away.

1005
01:39:07.470 --> 01:39:26.400
james murez: If I click on roll call it now has the members of the committee, all listed, including what is the core and based on the purim rules and if I start adding items I can add a section heading, I can add a title with the description and that's just you know very simple.

1006
01:39:27.570 --> 01:39:42.630
james murez: two basic areas a title line up here that I can put anything in here I want, and when I go into the actual description, it brings up a whole editor and I can put into here, whatever I want to return and starts making pumping.

1007
01:39:43.170 --> 01:39:44.760
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah can I.

1008
01:39:44.820 --> 01:39:46.740
Daffodil Tyminski: pull in those agenda requests.

1009
01:39:46.770 --> 01:39:48.990
james murez: yeah so that was going to get to that that's next.

1010
01:39:49.200 --> 01:39:58.080
james murez: But I can highlight I can do whatever I want in here, and it does whatever I want and i'm just going to kill this one, because I don't want to have garbage on my thing click and it's gone.

1011
01:39:59.580 --> 01:40:06.810
james murez: Now it has three minutes in here and and that's an important thing to remember now if I come over here.

1012
01:40:07.620 --> 01:40:19.920
james murez: And click on him well, let me first show you how you do it so we'll go over here well you Harrison hasn't been involved in a while so we'll take two of Hughes and one of Marks and we'll say export to json.

1013
01:40:21.450 --> 01:40:24.330
james murez: And it says, what do you want to call this and i'll just call this.

1014
01:40:25.740 --> 01:40:29.940
james murez: will put an x out here on the end so we can keep it apart.

1015
01:40:31.290 --> 01:40:39.120
james murez: And now it just downloaded it to my local machine and I come back over here and now, I have to go well, first let me save this.

1016
01:40:41.010 --> 01:40:49.890
james murez: So it's saving it, and this is going to be looped package edits putting a timeout here, and then the timestamp still always to the second and i'll just put an x here, so we can remember and come back to.

1017
01:40:51.480 --> 01:40:54.900
james murez: It already exists, so I want to replace it no i'm going to put two x's.

1018
01:40:58.890 --> 01:40:59.670
Two x's.

1019
01:41:02.190 --> 01:41:11.040
james murez: OK now i'm going to go back to the homepage and now I have to import the agenda requests, so I go out here and I click on import.

1020
01:41:11.730 --> 01:41:17.400
james murez: I have to find that file that I just downloaded from the server, and this was it right here remember we put an x on it.

1021
01:41:18.060 --> 01:41:29.220
james murez: So that's it right there and it's brings up these these these these were the titles of the three motions that were on those items I click save it downloads that file now to here.

1022
01:41:29.640 --> 01:41:35.880
james murez: And it's calling this agenda requests and I will again just put some x's on here, so we remember what that is.

1023
01:41:36.870 --> 01:41:43.500
james murez: And we'll go back here now to the homepage and we can bring our the agenda that we already created.

1024
01:41:43.890 --> 01:41:55.230
james murez: up as many times as we want, as long as we always save in between, so this is the one where I ended up saying here's the loop packed agenda with two x's on it, the one above, it is the imports we'll do that next.

1025
01:41:55.740 --> 01:42:03.030
james murez: And so now, this was the agenda that we just created and that's all the items that we had on it, and now we go up here to import.

1026
01:42:04.320 --> 01:42:09.510
james murez: And click on import and it pulls in our imports like that.

1027
01:42:10.170 --> 01:42:17.700
james murez: And now, when we scroll down the imports were all numbered based in the order that they were brought it now, at this point, we could rearrange them.

1028
01:42:18.060 --> 01:42:26.970
james murez: If the agendas items had originally been created with motions, and you know, let me just bring up another browser here, this is something brand new.

1029
01:42:27.660 --> 01:42:36.540
james murez: That I had them add last week, so this would work better and there's still one more field that still missing, but when you fill this out now.

1030
01:42:37.020 --> 01:42:41.670
james murez: there's a separate area here for description and a separate area for motion.

1031
01:42:42.120 --> 01:42:50.310
james murez: So, as long as we can get the committee's and the people to write the motions into the motion box versus into the description box they'll import correctly.

1032
01:42:50.970 --> 01:43:02.310
james murez: The other thing that I had them add was is it a stakeholder or is it a committee, and when they changed to committee, they needed to add one more box that they haven't done yet that says what committee is it coming from.

1033
01:43:02.580 --> 01:43:07.920
james murez: We don't know that it's not coming from an individual it's coming from a committee, and they have to still add that other box.

1034
01:43:08.190 --> 01:43:15.960
james murez: But they've agreed to do that there's one more thing that they have to do that, they haven't done if there's files that are dropping tonight I was talking to them if there's files that are.

1035
01:43:16.260 --> 01:43:24.510
james murez: uploaded with the agenda request they're not passing those through to me so when I generate this thing they don't come out now.

1036
01:43:25.140 --> 01:43:37.830
james murez: Having showing you this, I can still go up here and I can import multiples of these things, so if I go down to one that I did earlier here agenda request imports.

1037
01:43:38.610 --> 01:43:52.800
james murez: And they're very small files and I scroll down you'll now see that there are several more of them in here, some of them actually already had motions, because these have been uploaded since the system was updated okay.

1038
01:43:54.090 --> 01:43:57.450
james murez: And notice that there's no longer phone numbers they're not coming in anymore.

1039
01:43:58.620 --> 01:43:59.580
james murez: Right yeah.

1040
01:43:59.760 --> 01:44:01.110
james murez: that's great yeah.

1041
01:44:01.680 --> 01:44:07.140
Daffodil Tyminski: Once you're in this format, can you edit it like so each of your whereas is comes on a new line.

1042
01:44:07.500 --> 01:44:13.620
james murez: So yeah you can do that, however, you want, I can go in here and change anything I want I can make it, you know giant text, I can.

1043
01:44:14.250 --> 01:44:20.340
james murez: Have a giant text, I can reset it all back to what it has to be I can, the only thing I can't do yet and i've.

1044
01:44:20.970 --> 01:44:28.470
james murez: been working on it is being able to do revision tracking I think revision tracking would be really cool I can undo one step at a time.

1045
01:44:28.950 --> 01:44:38.700
james murez: But I can't do more than I can't follow you know I don't have full revision tracking and I would like to and I don't but yeah you can edit you can edit any of it.

1046
01:44:39.690 --> 01:44:41.700
Daffodil Tyminski: I mean look that that's gonna be hard and this.

1047
01:44:41.700 --> 01:44:45.210
Daffodil Tyminski: kind of tool to do their visit their revision tracking.

1048
01:44:45.540 --> 01:44:53.640
james murez: yeah but we'll do it in the meeting we're not so right now we're still working on creating the agenda now, let me show you something that's kind of a cool feature.

1049
01:44:54.630 --> 01:45:10.290
james murez: um So if I put into here 10 minutes and I put into this 115 minutes and I put into this one five minutes each one of these items carries a time clock with it okay.

1050
01:45:11.220 --> 01:45:21.300
james murez: And, when all is said and done, if I save and, by the way, i'm saved doing this now, and I will now call this i'll just leave it the way it is agenda and it has a clocks timestamp there.

1051
01:45:23.100 --> 01:45:30.540
james murez: If I wanted, I could go up here and say important items and if there's another agenda out there that's an old agenda.

1052
01:45:30.990 --> 01:45:40.680
james murez: Like here's some minutes right, these were draft a minute, these were draft minutes that I created earlier demonstrating it to somebody else if I click on this one, I can import this.

1053
01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:52.680
james murez: And when I import it it doesn't bring back in the limited items like the roll call items, because only appear once on an agenda, but it does bring in whatever the other items are.

1054
01:45:53.010 --> 01:46:02.220
james murez: that were already on the other, agenda, so this is this one are you know now there's 14 items I just brought in another whole group of items is what i'm saying.

1055
01:46:02.940 --> 01:46:06.600
james murez: Okay, this Green arrow scrolls you all the way back up to the top real quickly.

1056
01:46:07.170 --> 01:46:20.730
james murez: Now, if I go back to the home button, we now have our agenda created Okay, if I click on preview basically what preview does if I open this up, and I look at the agenda it's going to be the top one with the timestamp on it.

1057
01:46:22.920 --> 01:46:33.150
james murez: This this now brings it in as a formatted documents, so it can be printed there's no longer any buttons or controls, allowing the document to be altered.

1058
01:46:34.110 --> 01:46:45.840
james murez: So it's just strictly a print preview and to be able to print this into a PDF I click up here and I go to print and it brings it up and with my printer set to microsoft's.

1059
01:46:46.290 --> 01:46:56.160
james murez: printer now I get this thing all printed out, the only thing I don't like at this point I haven't been able to figure out how to get rid of it are the two buttons up at the top that loaded the page but we'll just have to deal with that.

1060
01:46:56.640 --> 01:47:00.030
james murez: As we go, but it makes a nice printed formatted looking kind of.

1061
01:47:00.240 --> 01:47:05.340
Daffodil Tyminski: Really looks great, and you know what we can always I mean in adobe PDF you can get rid of that top thing.

1062
01:47:05.490 --> 01:47:06.480
james murez: yeah but you know.

1063
01:47:07.920 --> 01:47:09.600
Daffodil Tyminski: I know it's not it's not it's.

1064
01:47:09.660 --> 01:47:10.110
james murez: Not.

1065
01:47:10.230 --> 01:47:12.900
Daffodil Tyminski: At the moment, but we're miles ahead of where we were.

1066
01:47:13.050 --> 01:47:17.160
james murez: i'm going for perfection and and you're right we there's always things we can do.

1067
01:47:18.180 --> 01:47:23.430
james murez: If I now go two minutes, the buttons are going to change slightly.

1068
01:47:24.060 --> 01:47:25.920
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah this is now in the meeting.

1069
01:47:26.190 --> 01:47:35.610
james murez: This is now we're in the meeting and we're opening up the meeting and and now we have our agenda, we can share the screen, the entire time we're in the meeting.

1070
01:47:36.390 --> 01:47:41.730
james murez: And we have our little you know this is when we said it was for the time and the zoom and it's got all this good data.

1071
01:47:42.000 --> 01:47:54.780
james murez: Has all of the header shift that we have to have, and now we start the meeting, so we click the clock, where the trashcan used to be and that just started the clock running now what did that do well, if we scroll down here to there.

1072
01:47:54.780 --> 01:47:55.800
Daffodil Tyminski: As you start the meeting.

1073
01:47:55.890 --> 01:48:05.940
james murez: Oh wait, you know I forgot to do one thing I gotta go back hold on, I have to add one more item to our agenda, I didn't put in a closing I didn't put in the ending rules.

1074
01:48:07.080 --> 01:48:24.570
james murez: So here, I have to click this reopen this that brought that back up now i'm going to put in here the closing footer add that item and i'll scroll down just to show you what that item looks like your as the adding, so now we have this ending item and it says approximate ending time.

1075
01:48:25.770 --> 01:48:32.340
james murez: Because it's based on the times that are in this thing right now, and my current clock time is 646 okay.

1076
01:48:32.730 --> 01:48:33.180
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah no.

1077
01:48:33.450 --> 01:48:43.680
james murez: No Okay, so now i'm going to save this clip and now it's going, this will be our final one and i'll just put out here on the end so we can remember, which one it is.

1078
01:48:44.160 --> 01:48:47.250
Daffodil Tyminski: I will say the like saving going in and out.

1079
01:48:47.340 --> 01:48:48.360
Daffodil Tyminski: and saving and.

1080
01:48:48.360 --> 01:48:49.020
Daffodil Tyminski: Receiving.

1081
01:48:49.080 --> 01:48:50.370
I can see.

1082
01:48:51.600 --> 01:48:58.560
Daffodil Tyminski: Long term We may want to try to simplify that and more of the way that Google docs works, but.

1083
01:48:58.710 --> 01:48:59.250
Daffodil Tyminski: You can.

1084
01:48:59.400 --> 01:49:00.210
james murez: use that.

1085
01:49:00.690 --> 01:49:01.650
Daffodil Tyminski: For critical point.

1086
01:49:01.710 --> 01:49:02.940
Daffodil Tyminski: it's great.

1087
01:49:03.180 --> 01:49:15.690
james murez: It has to do with how the browser interacts with the local computer if we started doing it, so I wanted to keep it on the local computer, because if we get back to the school someday.

1088
01:49:16.470 --> 01:49:21.660
james murez: We don't necessarily have Internet access, if we hadn't have access, we could store everything on the server.

1089
01:49:21.930 --> 01:49:35.550
james murez: But, and you wouldn't see any of the saves at all, they would just all be completely transparent in the background of be really easy to do it would have been much easier than having to figure out how to store it and open it locally, but since it works this way it's just fine.

1090
01:49:37.110 --> 01:49:40.050
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah so and format and can we put it into word.

1091
01:49:41.250 --> 01:49:55.020
james murez: So i'll tell us we can talk about that in a second the json the json format is javascript object oriented notation and i'll show you what the file looks like, but I want to show you first how the minutes would be taken in the meeting.

1092
01:49:55.560 --> 01:50:09.210
james murez: So when we click on this it starts a clock running when we click on it a second time, it turns red it's now 647 at that item each time it's going to save another copy of it now, we check in.

1093
01:50:09.390 --> 01:50:11.190
james murez: What will it on me.

1094
01:50:13.590 --> 01:50:14.400
james murez: And i'm saying no.

1095
01:50:14.430 --> 01:50:16.530
Daffodil Tyminski: We have most likely to be taking minutes.

1096
01:50:17.850 --> 01:50:25.770
james murez: So I by may end up doing this, I mean one of us is going to share our screen, so I needed to click this Green first and then click it read and then it brings.

1097
01:50:26.100 --> 01:50:35.940
james murez: up the dialogue and I hit return and it saves the next copy it's fairly quick and now we're on to our agenda items now if I scroll down here to the bottom.

1098
01:50:37.290 --> 01:50:38.940
james murez: The clock says it's.

1099
01:50:40.680 --> 01:50:47.670
james murez: And now watch what happens when I take off one of these items up here, where we had a lot of time on it i'll take off this one.

1100
01:50:48.810 --> 01:50:55.740
james murez: 648 it saves it and, by the way, if you just hit return it if you don't have to the default is to.

1101
01:50:56.700 --> 01:50:58.140
Daffodil Tyminski: Say yeah.

1102
01:50:58.380 --> 01:51:10.290
james murez: And it just saved that one there we go and now, if we go down here you'll see that it's not going to be 748 anymore if we just took off 20 minutes because we just reduce the amount of time it's going to take.

1103
01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:16.860
james murez: To finish the meeting okay so it's keeping track and it's reducing the amount of time it's going to take to continue to finish.

1104
01:51:17.160 --> 01:51:27.030
james murez: And this actually now complies with the new done rules on this now let's talk about the actual motion, so these people up here checked and notice I didn't check in Barry and i'm going to uncheck.

1105
01:51:27.750 --> 01:51:38.640
james murez: lauren as well, now we come over here to our motion and it's time to make the motion okay well those two people that aren't currently checked in don't show up.

1106
01:51:40.620 --> 01:51:43.200
james murez: Okay, they can't be the maker so elites.

1107
01:51:43.200 --> 01:51:44.370
Daffodil Tyminski: If they show up late.

1108
01:51:44.400 --> 01:51:46.170
Daffodil Tyminski: Can you go back up to the top and reach.

1109
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james murez: Watch out yes watch if I didn't if I do it right now, if I include Barry right now.

1110
01:51:51.120 --> 01:51:53.760
james murez: As soon as I include berry berry now shows up.

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01:51:54.330 --> 01:51:56.160
james murez: Okay i'll leave in mind.

1112
01:51:56.520 --> 01:52:03.540
Daffodil Tyminski: doesn't show and i'm again, this is a sticky point that we don't need to deal with at the moment, but this doesn't show when Barry.

1113
01:52:03.930 --> 01:52:04.260
Daffodil Tyminski: came.

1114
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james murez: To the meeting every time I check in somebody or check out somebody i'm logging it don't you worry so matt Royce is now the second term we have our discussion we're going to create a motion some motion.

1115
01:52:24.090 --> 01:52:34.050
james murez: And the motion was now created it's now time to call for the vote, we now have a voting tabulation that only shows the people that are checked in.

1116
01:52:34.680 --> 01:52:55.380
james murez: I click on the first one, and I answer it yay or nay, or whatever, but now, if I use my tab key I can go to the next one, and if I touch the first letter of the five choices that are there, it automatically changes it so there's a recusal there is ineligible.

1117
01:52:56.520 --> 01:53:06.570
james murez: And there is an abstention and then we'll make the last two years, so it's really quick and it tells us down here a tally was seven and it turned green once everybody had voted.

1118
01:53:07.230 --> 01:53:22.290
james murez: And it gives us what all of our results are now, you asked a really good question, what do we do sell but wait learn was actually here, so I click on lauren up here and I check her in now, I can refresh the voters and Sure enough, I can go back and add Laurens boat.

1119
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james murez: Okay Okay, now we didn't like that motion, though, and we're not really ready for it so we're going to click on an alternate motion, and we can copy the original motion down.

1120
01:53:33.420 --> 01:53:42.030
james murez: And we can modify the original motion and add some extra text out here, and then we can again go through, and as long as the individual.

1121
01:53:42.660 --> 01:53:51.870
james murez: appeared on the original motion, then they can appear here, but if I go up now, and I check this person in if I check Barry in at this point.

1122
01:53:52.230 --> 01:54:04.080
james murez: Barry doesn't appear here so Barry doesn't appear here if I refresh this and I now have Barry here it didn't refresh down here because he wasn't there for the original boat it.

1123
01:54:05.820 --> 01:54:06.540
james murez: makes sense yeah.

1124
01:54:06.600 --> 01:54:07.710
james murez: Okay, he had to.

1125
01:54:07.740 --> 01:54:10.170
Daffodil Tyminski: Wait one second to I lost you on the zoom.

1126
01:54:11.190 --> 01:54:11.610
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh.

1127
01:54:12.150 --> 01:54:12.750
Daffodil Tyminski: hold on.

1128
01:54:12.810 --> 01:54:18.570
Daffodil Tyminski: Did I lost your screen share it's it's a zoom someone tried to come there we go someone tried to call me and it knocked me off of zoom.

1129
01:54:18.780 --> 01:54:19.350
james murez: Are you back.

1130
01:54:19.530 --> 01:54:20.250
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah i'm back.

1131
01:54:20.400 --> 01:54:29.610
james murez: Okay, so anyway, we can have as many alternate motions, as we want, we just click on alternate motion, and now we have to alternate motions and it keeps track of.

1132
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Daffodil Tyminski: really great gym because one of the hardest things I found with the way that the Minutes had been operating is that you couldn't tell.

1133
01:54:40.830 --> 01:54:44.910
Daffodil Tyminski: From the Minutes like if there was an alternate motion or a change, you really couldn't see it.

1134
01:54:45.180 --> 01:54:56.760
james murez: Right and so now all of these things have been done and we've gone through our whole agenda and it only took us a couple seconds to create the agenda because we're forcing everybody to use the agenda request system.

1135
01:54:57.150 --> 01:55:05.250
james murez: yeah and now, when we save this it now says the meeting concluded at and it gives us a final time and the meeting is now going to be saved the.

1136
01:55:05.700 --> 01:55:14.220
james murez: way and anytime we want to come back to it, we can, if we wanted to print it right now, so we could publish it out on the web, we just go to our print tab and it brings it back up.

1137
01:55:14.640 --> 01:55:26.580
james murez: And all the votes are already there tick tock tick tock so here I made sure that all these boxes were you know it's being black when they're here and it shows, I mean I don't know if you can see this, but it has all the days in the days.

1138
01:55:26.640 --> 01:55:44.130
james murez: yeah so it's all there, this is a you know we now, we were done at the end of the meeting we're actually done we post this thing back and we're finished now, you asked a very fun question, so let me bring up, let me open this up show in folder.

1139
01:55:46.320 --> 01:55:52.470
james murez: And now i'm going to take this and I will open this and on this computer.

1140
01:55:54.480 --> 01:55:59.850
james murez: i'm not going to show it in visual studio i'll show you in notepad so it's a very simple file.

1141
01:56:02.160 --> 01:56:11.310
james murez: and actually if I take this full file, this is really fun if I take this whole file and highlight this and, by the way, I think you can import this to excel at this point.

1142
01:56:11.790 --> 01:56:24.630
james murez: But if I go up here to Google and I type in J s O N, the first thing that wants to bring up is the validator, which is actually this URL and if I click on that it brings up this tool.

1143
01:56:27.240 --> 01:56:28.560
james murez: Is it there, I see.

1144
01:56:30.330 --> 01:56:38.400
james murez: Okay, so I paste that whole document that whole thing was all paste it in there now is one really, really, really long line see the little scroll bar over here.

1145
01:56:38.790 --> 01:56:48.000
james murez: And I scroll this all the way back to the beginning and if I click on validate in a 10th of a second it goes through, I don't know what this got it is um.

1146
01:56:48.150 --> 01:56:50.910
james murez: I guess it went through and it reformatted it.

1147
01:56:51.360 --> 01:56:52.980
Daffodil Tyminski: Right, I guess, my my.

1148
01:56:53.070 --> 01:56:56.580
Daffodil Tyminski: My more basic question is if I myself am doing this.

1149
01:56:56.610 --> 01:56:58.110
Daffodil Tyminski: yep um.

1150
01:56:58.230 --> 01:56:59.160
james murez: You don't see.

1151
01:57:00.060 --> 01:57:03.150
james murez: What go ahead, you don't have to know anything about what i'm showing you right now.

1152
01:57:04.260 --> 01:57:08.250
Daffodil Tyminski: Well, if I save it in this format back to my hard drive.

1153
01:57:08.430 --> 01:57:10.050
Daffodil Tyminski: yep how do I pull it up again.

1154
01:57:10.590 --> 01:57:16.830
james murez: Oh anytime you go back to the home, you can always go back to any of these tools and reopen it.

1155
01:57:17.910 --> 01:57:25.860
james murez: The only thing you can't do is you can't change when the meeting started, but you can go back and i'm thinking about making that modifiable but if I go back to create agenda.

1156
01:57:26.700 --> 01:57:42.030
james murez: I can go back to any agenda into any of the same json files that were already created this is the last one, we say, and I can open it up now i'm in create mode, but if I scroll down here it's still shows all of the motions that were taken, and all the votes.

1157
01:57:42.990 --> 01:57:56.970
james murez: Okay, so I can still modify this if I if I wanted to I could actually go out here, and I could say import and I could go back to one that was taken a long time ago.

1158
01:57:58.320 --> 01:58:05.670
james murez: um you know let's say I go to this one right here, this was a separate loot bar I could Betsy I think I have one down here.

1159
01:58:07.170 --> 01:58:11.460
james murez: That I was using always is my sample someplace I have a sample agenda.

1160
01:58:16.050 --> 01:58:27.690
james murez: Know maybe I don't add COM, we are you know what I can bring in one of these little comments version four, and so it just brought in some more items and now if I scroll down.

1161
01:58:28.530 --> 01:58:34.950
james murez: you'll see that there are a whole group of new items past the bottom these down here, the new ones that are past the bottom.

1162
01:58:36.540 --> 01:58:39.120
Daffodil Tyminski: Right and then you can always just trash the ones you don't want.

1163
01:58:39.180 --> 01:58:46.500
james murez: yeah yeah exactly you can you can sit here and click on these things and take them all out, you can take them out, you know as fast as you click on them, you can take them out.

1164
01:58:48.660 --> 01:58:50.790
james murez: And until you save what's there.

1165
01:58:52.320 --> 01:59:05.070
james murez: So i'm just taking them all out until you until you do the final save you haven't lost it right, and when you do SAVE I mean there now it's completely blind when you do save it it saves it as a new document anyway so you've lost nothing.

1166
01:59:05.610 --> 01:59:08.610
Daffodil Tyminski: This is going to need me playing around with it and.

1167
01:59:09.420 --> 01:59:22.230
james murez: there's the URL help tab added a matter of fact, I sent you the URL a couple of days ago, let me show you one other thing, because this is land use if I go out here, oh wait, let me I don't.

1168
01:59:23.610 --> 01:59:25.470
james murez: Do you get the cmc reports.

1169
01:59:27.150 --> 01:59:29.700
Daffodil Tyminski: You know I do, but I haven't gotten one in a while.

1170
01:59:30.000 --> 01:59:36.210
james murez: Okay, so let me just tell you yeah I get up I get them every two weeks, let me just tell you that.

1171
01:59:36.330 --> 01:59:39.090
Daffodil Tyminski: I normally do I just noticed I haven't seen one in a while.

1172
01:59:39.150 --> 01:59:56.280
james murez: yeah this tool was designed to be able to import cnc reports and, and so this is this file right here was created by going through a cnc export and then a cnc import so when the cnc reports get published let's see if I can find one.

1173
01:59:58.350 --> 02:00:10.440
james murez: You know what I can't do it like this, I have to do it slightly differently, let me go from here, so this part was done just so leaks can have an easier life if I click on the cnc import, I have to find the csv file.

1174
02:00:11.520 --> 02:00:17.940
james murez: And so, if I just do this up here in the search box come on wake up computer there we go.

1175
02:00:19.980 --> 02:00:35.040
james murez: not see this be and return and bring yeah so here, here is a cnc report that was published by the city and it's a 26 K, so it has a fair amount of information I click.

1176
02:00:35.760 --> 02:00:41.370
james murez: Open because i'm importing it into here and what it did was it just brought in the entire city.

1177
02:00:42.120 --> 02:00:54.210
james murez: Of all of the different neighborhood Councils that are included in that report if I click on this one, it shows me all of their cases and, as I continue to click through this it breaks them all down.

1178
02:00:54.630 --> 02:01:08.490
james murez: All of the different communities that are in that cnc report and here's the Venice Venice has one project if I click on this one project and it's probably more fun to do one where there's a lot more, let me scroll back up.

1179
02:01:09.030 --> 02:01:12.510
Daffodil Tyminski: This is all you got into this from the dnc website.

1180
02:01:12.510 --> 02:01:14.430
Daffodil Tyminski: To the agenda request system.

1181
02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:27.180
james murez: No, no, this right here is the early notification report that they sit the planning department sends out every two weeks as a PDF document and as a csv document.

1182
02:01:27.450 --> 02:01:28.140
Daffodil Tyminski: Now I get.

1183
02:01:28.320 --> 02:01:32.730
Daffodil Tyminski: Like where did you I assume our meeting manager what what like I where.

1184
02:01:32.820 --> 02:01:35.550
james murez: i'm still I created meeting manager from scratch.

1185
02:01:36.120 --> 02:01:39.450
Daffodil Tyminski: But when you get to meeting manager you get it through the dnc website.

1186
02:01:39.600 --> 02:01:50.760
james murez: I haven't done that I have not done that, yet that was one of my questions to the the people at at web corner, because they control Venice nc.org.

1187
02:01:51.030 --> 02:02:04.260
james murez: i'm going to ask them instead of having a www dot Venice nc org i'm going to have them create a meeting manager dot Venice nc.org and it'll come here directly to this tool.

1188
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james murez: And once it does that any committee chair anybody in the world, I don't care, who they can come and use this tool, because all of the work that's going on.

1189
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james murez: is going on right now by saving it on your local machine, so we don't have to worry about anybody uploading anything they are sharing anything there's nothing to share until they post this thing into the vm CS.

1190
02:02:27.330 --> 02:02:28.440
james murez: hamburger right.

1191
02:02:28.770 --> 02:02:30.810
james murez: So let me show, let me show you how this works let's.

1192
02:02:30.810 --> 02:02:44.250
james murez: pretend that we were in the downtown Los Angeles, where they have 10 cases going on right now I can go through here and click these things off or I could toggle them all at once, and it toggles them all.

1193
02:02:45.540 --> 02:02:53.670
james murez: I could select a few cases and, as I do this and I save, save as agenda items what i'm doing is i'm converting it.

1194
02:02:54.210 --> 02:03:08.490
james murez: From the csv file that the planning department puts out into this new tool and What did it do it just downloaded this file into this csv file, I mean into this special file that i've created and i'll just put some exercise.

1195
02:03:08.700 --> 02:03:10.770
Daffodil Tyminski: I got it so now, you can import this to the.

1196
02:03:10.770 --> 02:03:11.160
Daffodil Tyminski: loop and.

1197
02:03:12.300 --> 02:03:12.990
Daffodil Tyminski: Being.

1198
02:03:13.350 --> 02:03:18.780
james murez: Exactly so now, I can go back, I can go back to the agenda, we created a few minutes ago.

1199
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Daffodil Tyminski: Nothing gets by me, Jim.

1200
02:03:21.030 --> 02:03:24.600
james murez: Okay, and and here was the last one that we did.

1201
02:03:26.520 --> 02:03:36.570
james murez: And so now it's bringing this one Okay, and we can go down here the bottom, the last one let's see what the last number is so the last numbers number nine it's spot zoning alignment.

1202
02:03:37.020 --> 02:03:37.740
james murez: Okay yeah.

1203
02:03:37.920 --> 02:03:43.410
james murez: We can click on little green arrow over here and it scrolls us back up now, if I go here, and I say import agenda items.

1204
02:03:44.880 --> 02:03:49.140
james murez: And I click on our agenda items the waiting to see what it imports now.

1205
02:03:50.430 --> 02:03:50.820
Okay.

1206
02:03:53.190 --> 02:03:59.250
james murez: So now we get down here to loop back items and oh boy, what do we have here, well, we have the applicant.

1207
02:03:59.760 --> 02:04:16.410
james murez: You have all of the APP the information that they provided us who's the loop pack Member, these are the default fields yeah hidden underneath here there's a checkbox that opens up all the rest of the fields including things like what Sudbury Are they in, and we can add documents which.

1208
02:04:16.410 --> 02:04:23.730
james murez: Is document uploads and whatever the document is, we can put in here that this is a you know plot plan.

1209
02:04:25.530 --> 02:04:27.420
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah Jim this is really terrific.

1210
02:04:27.600 --> 02:04:35.280
james murez: and put in here, whatever the http references now I was talking, so now it has that in the list and and and.

1211
02:04:36.870 --> 02:04:47.670
james murez: Again, whatever the roll call is there, it is it doesn't go away and it has everything and and so now if we took this item and looked at it in the.

1212
02:04:48.120 --> 02:05:02.970
james murez: Meeting mode, where we have the clock and we're keeping track of stuff from the meeting standpoint, it only shows the fields that have been filled in these fields that are still blank it won't show any of those fields, it only shows the ones that have been filled in.

1213
02:05:04.440 --> 02:05:04.920
james murez: So.

1214
02:05:05.490 --> 02:05:25.170
james murez: it's great and so she could now theoretically if you stop and think about this for a minute once the leaks has her agenda created correctly she can send us in an agenda request that json file and we can now import that json file into our.

1215
02:05:25.170 --> 02:05:29.700
james murez: Agenda exactly and now all of the work has already been done.

1216
02:05:29.820 --> 02:05:32.700
Daffodil Tyminski: How does she recreate the agenda request from this.

1217
02:05:36.000 --> 02:05:36.990
james murez: say again.

1218
02:05:37.410 --> 02:05:40.830
Daffodil Tyminski: How does she created agenda request from this.

1219
02:05:42.000 --> 02:05:49.500
james murez: So you're going the other direction, and I just had that conversation with the people at web quarter.

1220
02:05:50.370 --> 02:06:04.380
james murez: What I would like to do and the system, right now, she can create an agenda from blank if I just refresh this page it goes back and it creates a blank agenda, and this, of course, is a This is my default date, this is my birthday.

1221
02:06:06.330 --> 02:06:08.790
Daffodil Tyminski: By the way, tell me if this is effective as a light.

1222
02:06:09.960 --> 02:06:10.350
james murez: It is.

1223
02:06:10.590 --> 02:06:14.910
james murez: right away i'm not I can't see, I have my displays turned on.

1224
02:06:15.390 --> 02:06:16.320
Daffodil Tyminski: Right now it's all right.

1225
02:06:17.190 --> 02:06:18.510
james murez: Okay, well, let me just finish here.

1226
02:06:19.980 --> 02:06:25.830
james murez: She could go in right now and create an agenda from scratch now she can't put.

1227
02:06:27.090 --> 02:06:35.940
james murez: A loop pack item on the agenda and it's going to give me a pop up message it has dependencies which require two and three, which is to save you can't have a motion.

1228
02:06:36.390 --> 02:06:47.730
james murez: Until agenda item to roll call and agenda item three, and these are just basic rules that I put in a business rules once those two items are on the agenda, then you can add.

1229
02:06:48.960 --> 02:06:57.000
james murez: items that have motions I didn't want to add motions until I had Who was it that was going to be voting, but now here's a blank idol.

1230
02:06:57.810 --> 02:07:04.350
james murez: So here's a completely blank item she can click on that button and she can fill out as much of this as she wants.

1231
02:07:04.740 --> 02:07:16.980
james murez: But the part that she can't do yet, and I would really like to be able to do is to be able to click on a button that says upload files let her drag all of the documents for this case onto the case.

1232
02:07:17.280 --> 02:07:27.360
james murez: And then click the add button and it would add them all, at one time, and when it does that it actually sends all of the files up to the server.

1233
02:07:28.740 --> 02:07:32.520
james murez: And the server sends back what are the official URLs.

1234
02:07:33.720 --> 02:07:40.110
james murez: And they said oh sure we can do that will store them all out on aws which is Amazon web services.

1235
02:07:40.620 --> 02:07:50.910
james murez: And I said oh yeah that'll be easy, because it would have been much easier for me to create this whole thing where everything was being stored in the cloud and storing it locally, the story it locally was much more typical.

1236
02:07:52.110 --> 02:08:01.050
james murez: At any rate, so, and then the only other features that I would show you at this point, I did do a description that if you want to read how the system works it's there under about.

1237
02:08:02.250 --> 02:08:12.480
james murez: And if you ever wanted to go in and see who are the Members and be able to edit or add a new member or subtract a member, so, for instance, if I go out here.

1238
02:08:13.770 --> 02:08:21.900
james murez: And I look at the neighborhood committee and I click on edit Committee, these are your Members oh that's actually That was my sample data, let me refresh them.

1239
02:08:23.160 --> 02:08:25.980
that's wrong it's got it cashed.

1240
02:08:29.310 --> 02:08:38.670
james murez: Oh, I guess, not maybe I never updated this one so Bruce Wayne Clark Kent daffodil and Tony shark Tony stark are all on your committee, but if I click on one of them it deletes it.

1241
02:08:39.090 --> 02:08:46.140
james murez: And if I wanted to add a Member, I could go up here and I could say that alley was now a member of your committee, and I could add other Members now.

1242
02:08:46.710 --> 02:09:00.450
james murez: What you can't do is you can't save this information back to be the default on the server, so this is one of those functionalities that only the administrator can really do this but it's part of the tools so.

1243
02:09:01.920 --> 02:09:08.730
james murez: Not that we even care, but if we did care same thing with Members if we go in here to Member and we bring up a member.

1244
02:09:10.620 --> 02:09:22.110
james murez: Who would be a good Member to bring up somebody that's actually here cj is actually out here so i'm actually tracking all of the trainings and I guess at some point in time.

1245
02:09:22.620 --> 02:09:32.040
james murez: I haven't written it into here yet, but I would be able to disqualify somebody that didn't have current dates in the voting capability.

1246
02:09:33.090 --> 02:09:33.540
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay.

1247
02:09:34.080 --> 02:09:38.190
Daffodil Tyminski: So well there's a lot here and it's fantastic, and I think.

1248
02:09:39.030 --> 02:09:41.580
james murez: I think this is going to change melissa's job.

1249
02:09:42.240 --> 02:09:45.390
Daffodil Tyminski: Why don't we do a board agenda item.

1250
02:09:46.560 --> 02:09:48.180
Daffodil Tyminski: demonstrating this.

1251
02:09:49.410 --> 02:09:51.000
james murez: Then I would do it as a video.

1252
02:09:52.350 --> 02:09:52.860
Daffodil Tyminski: well.

1253
02:09:53.190 --> 02:09:58.800
james murez: Because, then I could time how long it was going to take I could say okay well we're gonna play a five minute video about a new tool.

1254
02:09:59.310 --> 02:09:59.760
james murez: Okay.

1255
02:10:00.540 --> 02:10:07.800
Daffodil Tyminski: And then, and then I would do it get it out there, get people to know about it get people using it um.

1256
02:10:08.100 --> 02:10:11.190
james murez: Well, I think right, we need to do the Ad COM one first.

1257
02:10:11.700 --> 02:10:14.400
Daffodil Tyminski: So let me do this, let me try to create.

1258
02:10:14.430 --> 02:10:15.990
i'll do this either.

1259
02:10:17.370 --> 02:10:21.660
Daffodil Tyminski: Well, I could always we could actually create the outcome, right now, right and just as more.

1260
02:10:21.660 --> 02:10:23.640
james murez: No, not it not until all of the.

1261
02:10:23.640 --> 02:10:25.680
james murez: Committee finish having meetings.

1262
02:10:26.460 --> 02:10:32.700
Daffodil Tyminski: Why can't why can't we just wait and import the rest of the files later like we can create all the basics.

1263
02:10:32.730 --> 02:10:33.330
We could.

1264
02:10:34.500 --> 02:10:35.040
Daffodil Tyminski: Right.

1265
02:10:35.130 --> 02:10:35.430
Right.

1266
02:10:36.930 --> 02:10:44.550
Daffodil Tyminski: I mean we don't you and I don't have to do this now, I can do it tomorrow or Thursday but i'm just saying, let me do a dry run and try to use the tool myself and just.

1267
02:10:44.550 --> 02:10:44.940
james murez: figure it.

1268
02:10:44.970 --> 02:10:45.330
james murez: out.

1269
02:10:45.390 --> 02:10:46.890
james murez: Well, I sent you the link.

1270
02:10:47.130 --> 02:10:47.430
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah.

1271
02:10:47.460 --> 02:10:54.000
james murez: When I sent it to only get I actually made the video already of how the items are imported.

1272
02:10:54.450 --> 02:11:08.550
james murez: into the agenda to see what she would think of it, I wanted to get because you know her agenda is by far the most difficult to create right, and so I wanted to get her to think about using it, because I think it'll simplify her life.

1273
02:11:10.410 --> 02:11:16.770
james murez: And, and you know that's why I made a video showing how that part of it works and I sent you and her the list I.

1274
02:11:16.920 --> 02:11:18.780
Daffodil Tyminski: sent her though you already made a video.

1275
02:11:18.930 --> 02:11:21.780
james murez: I made a bit I sent it to her and CC you.

1276
02:11:22.080 --> 02:11:25.140
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, you know what I have i've just had i've got crazy.

1277
02:11:25.440 --> 02:11:26.070
Daffodil Tyminski: things going on but.

1278
02:11:27.240 --> 02:11:28.830
james murez: it's a five minute video.

1279
02:11:29.520 --> 02:11:40.260
james murez: But it only shows the part that she would be interested in if I was going to do something for the board I would do it much more of an overview and not get into so much detail and and.

1280
02:11:40.320 --> 02:11:49.140
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah but let's I think it's you know cuz I will say is the person in front of the committee's I get pushback from the committee's on formatting the agenda.

1281
02:11:49.890 --> 02:12:02.130
Daffodil Tyminski: In a way, frankly that's incomprehensible to me why people care so much about not formatting the agenda properly like i'm just like I didn't make this up the city told us like this is what they want now.

1282
02:12:02.340 --> 02:12:25.590
james murez: What I did what I didn't do is, I did not put into the description default language which I can do in seconds I can put in default language that starts every agenda item off that has emotion attached to it item for discussion and possible action, and I think we probably want that.

1283
02:12:25.740 --> 02:12:31.350
Daffodil Tyminski: I will do that because I do think folks don't understand under the brown act why that's important.

1284
02:12:31.500 --> 02:12:39.840
Daffodil Tyminski: Right and i've talked to people deaf, dumb and blind and they just are resistant I don't understand it, so I would just do it.

1285
02:12:40.020 --> 02:12:41.070
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah and.

1286
02:12:41.820 --> 02:12:46.680
james murez: I will make that model it'll take me a matter of moments just to change it on those two templates.

1287
02:12:46.770 --> 02:12:54.990
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah I think it'll make our lives easier, because then we're not getting questions back from the city about why someone's agenda was a way that we just couldn't control, you know.

1288
02:12:55.830 --> 02:12:57.240
james murez: um I agree completely.

1289
02:12:57.660 --> 02:13:04.740
Daffodil Tyminski: And, and I think it'll look, this will be a lot easier, I think it'll make for better, more accurate minutes yeah.

1290
02:13:04.770 --> 02:13:07.560
Daffodil Tyminski: No question um I think that i'm.

1291
02:13:08.610 --> 02:13:15.270
Daffodil Tyminski: A will be able to get the Minutes posted right away because there won't be any human intervention, we just need to figure out who is actually going to take them.

1292
02:13:16.230 --> 02:13:22.620
james murez: But i've been whoever does this should be doing it with a shared screen because it displays who's voted in who hasn't.

1293
02:13:23.070 --> 02:13:23.790
james murez: right way.

1294
02:13:23.850 --> 02:13:30.150
Daffodil Tyminski: I just think, I think, Melissa typically has to login on her phone and if you're on your phone, this is going to be tough so.

1295
02:13:30.330 --> 02:13:35.310
james murez: She can do it from her phone, but I don't mind that look I can do it, it add calm, is the first one.

1296
02:13:35.580 --> 02:13:46.230
james murez: And it won't be an issue I will be introducing the tool at outcome it's usually a small meeting there's only you know six or eight people there if it goes okay and outcome either you are I could do it at the board meeting.

1297
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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, let me try to create the outcome agenda using this tool i'll try to do it tomorrow Okay, in case there's any problem we've got time to fix it for.

1298
02:13:57.420 --> 02:13:59.460
Daffodil Tyminski: Friday um.

1299
02:14:00.630 --> 02:14:06.330
james murez: Well, I need I need to make you a zoom link and i'll send it over to you that, so you can paste the zoom link in right away.

1300
02:14:06.390 --> 02:14:16.770
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah make the zoom link for i'd come Thursday i've got clients that fluid from New York i'm going to be like randomly out of pocket I don't know exactly what their plans are but there's there's gonna be tough for me okay.

1301
02:14:17.040 --> 02:14:24.270
Daffodil Tyminski: So i'd rather try to get stuff done tomorrow and then, if we need to clean up clean up Friday okay um and then um.

1302
02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:27.390
james murez: I haven't you have anything, do you have Ivan do you have.

1303
02:14:27.390 --> 02:14:29.880
Ivan: Any I just have a couple of questions.

1304
02:14:30.960 --> 02:14:31.860
Ivan: This is a lot of work.

1305
02:14:36.180 --> 02:14:37.800
Ivan: yeah I think.

1306
02:14:41.070 --> 02:14:46.320
Ivan: We have to make sure that the stakeholders can see who voted for what.

1307
02:14:48.300 --> 02:14:51.480
james murez: Well, we don't do that at present, but yeah that'll be.

1308
02:14:51.870 --> 02:14:57.540
Ivan: What we do because they vote yes or no, and people can see you know you.

1309
02:14:58.140 --> 02:14:59.190
james murez: know when when we.

1310
02:14:59.250 --> 02:15:08.010
james murez: When we print out the minutes after the meetings over you can very easily see I can bring it back up and show you.

1311
02:15:08.910 --> 02:15:11.190
Daffodil Tyminski: But you guys, did you see the demonstration.

1312
02:15:11.490 --> 02:15:12.690
Daffodil Tyminski: cuz I like that's.

1313
02:15:13.770 --> 02:15:16.230
Ivan: I mean you can really you could be.

1314
02:15:16.350 --> 02:15:18.330
james murez: yeah here i'm going to bring it back up so you can.

1315
02:15:18.330 --> 02:15:22.080
Ivan: This is a brown X and it really needs to be in real time.

1316
02:15:22.200 --> 02:15:24.360
Ivan: yeah they can see.

1317
02:15:25.530 --> 02:15:25.800
james murez: Who.

1318
02:15:26.160 --> 02:15:27.330
Ivan: hold on here and why.

1319
02:15:28.650 --> 02:15:29.700
james murez: i'm bringing it back up.

1320
02:15:30.960 --> 02:15:37.830
james murez: So here was the item, you can see who's checked off right and down here can you see what it shows right here.

1321
02:15:39.810 --> 02:15:42.030
james murez: Can you see who voted, there was an ally and.

1322
02:15:42.480 --> 02:15:43.920
Ivan: Right so yeah this screen.

1323
02:15:44.430 --> 02:15:45.450
Ivan: Okay, can.

1324
02:15:46.290 --> 02:15:47.190
Daffodil Tyminski: We assign.

1325
02:15:47.250 --> 02:15:58.500
james murez: This screen when I then go up in my browser and I tell it to print it's now going to take this screen and printed in using Microsoft PDF printer.

1326
02:15:58.800 --> 02:16:11.430
james murez: And there's a similar tool in in apple it brought up the same thing, and you can still see who's checked off now it's really tiny here, you probably can't see it and I don't think the print preview and I don't really feel.

1327
02:16:11.430 --> 02:16:13.500
Daffodil Tyminski: Like now it's fine Jim it's fine.

1328
02:16:13.620 --> 02:16:15.870
james murez: You can it's all there Ivan okay.

1329
02:16:17.040 --> 02:16:18.090
Ivan: it's Okay, because that.

1330
02:16:18.150 --> 02:16:20.970
Ivan: that's going to get challenged if you don't have that.

1331
02:16:21.150 --> 02:16:29.880
james murez: yeah no, you know what each one of these boxes was formatted we're only the first letter shows, but if you click on the item, it shows you the whole word right.

1332
02:16:29.910 --> 02:16:32.820
Daffodil Tyminski: What is ineligible mean because I don't why.

1333
02:16:32.850 --> 02:16:35.910
Daffodil Tyminski: Why should someone have to choose to recuse or not or.

1334
02:16:36.570 --> 02:16:38.130
Ivan: If you if you haven't.

1335
02:16:38.910 --> 02:16:42.510
Ivan: completed your training you're ineligible to vote.

1336
02:16:44.400 --> 02:16:52.260
james murez: And that's why and that's why I said, if I start you, if I if I actually go back now and tie in.

1337
02:16:52.680 --> 02:17:06.660
james murez: The dates that i'm already storing in the system for what everybody has with their bias, training and their code of conduct, I can actually automatically prevent them from being able to vote on an item because they haven't completed it.

1338
02:17:07.290 --> 02:17:12.450
Daffodil Tyminski: And even though we have any outstanding non completes because I thought I feel like we spent so much time on this.

1339
02:17:12.510 --> 02:17:17.490
james murez: a bunch of people have not done the bias, training, but they extended it another month or so okay.

1340
02:17:17.880 --> 02:17:24.300
Ivan: Well, and the reason that's important is because if you recall, if you're recused.

1341
02:17:25.380 --> 02:17:27.150
Ivan: You removed from the quarter.

1342
02:17:29.910 --> 02:17:31.770
Ivan: And said if you're ineligible.

1343
02:17:33.330 --> 02:17:35.760
Daffodil Tyminski: Farm issues really on the board at all.

1344
02:17:37.470 --> 02:17:38.490
Ivan: i'm just saying.

1345
02:17:38.670 --> 02:17:44.760
james murez: It could, but you want you accuse you leave the room and so that would show.

1346
02:17:44.760 --> 02:17:45.330
Ivan: Up yeah.

1347
02:17:46.170 --> 02:18:01.200
james murez: That would show up that you're still there, but you ricky Oh, you know what that's an interesting point you make, I did a mathematical error that i'll have to fix when I make the little box go green when everybody's voted, if someone was recused it shouldn't be part of the number.

1348
02:18:01.650 --> 02:18:05.130
Ivan: know they they've removed their dates left the room and effect.

1349
02:18:05.130 --> 02:18:07.890
james murez: yeah so that's a good point, thank you, you caught a bug.

1350
02:18:08.010 --> 02:18:11.130
Ivan: Okay, but you know if they get from us to.

1351
02:18:11.160 --> 02:18:12.090
james murez: Train Africa you.

1352
02:18:12.300 --> 02:18:13.920
Ivan: don't in the meeting but.

1353
02:18:15.930 --> 02:18:16.680
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm.

1354
02:18:16.920 --> 02:18:18.090
Ivan: to another category.

1355
02:18:18.240 --> 02:18:18.870
james murez: yeah I got.

1356
02:18:18.900 --> 02:18:29.610
Daffodil Tyminski: that's a another issue, though, like in some committees, I mean most of the church should be on top of it, but if they lose quorum partway through the meeting.

1357
02:18:31.350 --> 02:18:33.600
james murez: You know that's your problem.

1358
02:18:34.950 --> 02:18:36.840
Ivan: Alright, so I have another question now.

1359
02:18:37.170 --> 02:18:37.740
Ivan: Go so.

1360
02:18:38.010 --> 02:18:41.160
Ivan: At the board meeting melissa's team to do all this right.

1361
02:18:41.190 --> 02:18:45.150
james murez: No, I don't think she will, I think that's what daffodil and I were just talking about either I.

1362
02:18:45.570 --> 02:18:48.120
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm going to turn my video off because my Internet.

1363
02:18:48.180 --> 02:18:54.870
Daffodil Tyminski: is very sketchy at best at home and when everyone is home at night streaming and stuff like that it just gets better i'm gonna turn my video off.

1364
02:18:54.960 --> 02:18:56.100
james murez: You have a big family there.

1365
02:18:57.480 --> 02:18:58.260
No party.

1366
02:18:59.460 --> 02:19:01.620
Daffodil Tyminski: i've got everyone around me is.

1367
02:19:02.430 --> 02:19:02.880
james murez: You know.

1368
02:19:03.510 --> 02:19:09.510
Daffodil Tyminski: You know where I live, my neighbor I could literally laid out my house and pour them a glass of wine from their house.

1369
02:19:09.750 --> 02:19:12.810
james murez: But you should have both are you on files are you on spec.

1370
02:19:12.960 --> 02:19:14.820
Daffodil Tyminski: We can't get files so in our neighborhood.

1371
02:19:15.090 --> 02:19:16.230
Ivan: Oh, I can't see you.

1372
02:19:16.350 --> 02:19:26.490
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, I know you fancy people on Main Street, where I live in the next rich housing ghetto we literally have like the oldest cable.

1373
02:19:26.880 --> 02:19:28.080
Daffodil Tyminski: wow everything.

1374
02:19:28.470 --> 02:19:29.520
james murez: I had no idea.

1375
02:19:29.880 --> 02:19:32.940
Daffodil Tyminski: They said it's not upgradeable like you can't pay enough to get it.

1376
02:19:33.060 --> 02:19:36.510
Daffodil Tyminski: So that's why my office, which is right behind you.

1377
02:19:36.600 --> 02:19:37.320
james murez: yeah yeah.

1378
02:19:37.530 --> 02:19:42.330
Daffodil Tyminski: I can get great wi fi because it's commercial wi fi, but in my house like this is my.

1379
02:19:42.360 --> 02:19:45.030
james murez: Home Office that has matt has bios does me.

1380
02:19:45.390 --> 02:19:52.350
Daffodil Tyminski: ya know everything on Hampton main everything they upgraded on our little like beleaguered walk streets.

1381
02:19:52.440 --> 02:19:52.800
james murez: Right.

1382
02:19:53.280 --> 02:19:57.180
Daffodil Tyminski: it's literally like we might as well be using typewriters and carrier pigeons it's terrible.

1383
02:19:57.600 --> 02:19:58.560
james murez: Ivan What was your other.

1384
02:19:58.650 --> 02:20:01.320
Ivan: point that you didn't you didn't I didn't get to my question.

1385
02:20:03.120 --> 02:20:06.870
Ivan: So who's gonna do this at the board meeting.

1386
02:20:07.080 --> 02:20:08.220
james murez: I probably will.

1387
02:20:08.730 --> 02:20:09.750
Ivan: know you should.

1388
02:20:11.910 --> 02:20:21.000
Ivan: write well i'll put it like this, if you, if this is what you want to do, then daffodil or someone else has to run the meetings you can't do both.

1389
02:20:22.470 --> 02:20:22.860
james murez: Is that.

1390
02:20:23.760 --> 02:20:24.720
Ivan: i'm running the meeting.

1391
02:20:24.930 --> 02:20:25.830
james murez: Is that a rule.

1392
02:20:27.300 --> 02:20:29.160
Ivan: it's an Ivan rule yeah.

1393
02:20:29.460 --> 02:20:38.550
james murez: Okay, so i've been the reason it's been a rule in the past, is because it took a lot of extra work to tally devote to call the boat.

1394
02:20:39.060 --> 02:20:45.630
james murez: i'm already i'm already conducting the meeting by by saying what the motion is.

1395
02:20:45.960 --> 02:20:53.100
james murez: and letting somebody make the motion i'm letting somebody read the motion they raid the motion, and then I say okay public comment.

1396
02:20:53.370 --> 02:21:02.850
james murez: Now committee comment, and then I say okay it's time to call for the boat, so I click on the call for the vote button now I just read the names and I pushed the first letter yay or nay.

1397
02:21:04.620 --> 02:21:05.250
Ivan: Let me mean.

1398
02:21:08.280 --> 02:21:13.560
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm just jump I turned on to jump in i'm kind of with Ivan on this in the sense that.

1399
02:21:14.730 --> 02:21:17.610
james murez: I have no problem daffodil if you want to do it, I.

1400
02:21:18.090 --> 02:21:18.360
Daffodil Tyminski: know.

1401
02:21:18.420 --> 02:21:31.230
Daffodil Tyminski: it's it's it's, not that I want to do it, I think, though, dividing our responsibilities at the meeting leads to a faster, more efficient meeting, which I know we've been like trying to put our heads together to figure out how to do it, no.

1402
02:21:31.410 --> 02:21:31.710
Ivan: way.

1403
02:21:31.770 --> 02:21:38.400
Daffodil Tyminski: And so I don't personally care i'll do anything on man, the zoom of hold the timer.

1404
02:21:38.820 --> 02:21:44.970
Daffodil Tyminski: Like to do this, except i'm not sure i'm fully comfortable in the ecosystem, yet, but i'll get there, if you want me to.

1405
02:21:45.810 --> 02:21:48.900
james murez: Think, and so what i'm what I was trying to do.

1406
02:21:49.590 --> 02:21:58.230
james murez: Is I didn't want to burden you or Melissa or anybody else with some technology thing that I have dreamed up.

1407
02:21:58.500 --> 02:22:03.810
james murez: Before you are comfortable i'm not going to tell you, you have to now do this if you want to grow.

1408
02:22:04.050 --> 02:22:10.770
james murez: If you want to volunteer to do it and you want to play around with it, you want to feel comfortable fine with me if you would rather me do it.

1409
02:22:10.950 --> 02:22:21.060
james murez: For the first meeting to see how it goes so that way they all point the finger at me and laughed at me when it doesn't work the way it's supposed to i'm happy to do that, you know hold the gavel it doesn't matter I.

1410
02:22:21.090 --> 02:22:21.450
Daffodil Tyminski: just want.

1411
02:22:22.890 --> 02:22:23.370
To stay.

1412
02:22:24.390 --> 02:22:27.390
Daffodil Tyminski: Jim I so appreciate that, but we signed up for this.

1413
02:22:27.420 --> 02:22:31.200
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah i'm fine if I need to figure it out and mentor the meeting i'll figure it out like.

1414
02:22:31.710 --> 02:22:32.130
james murez: You did.

1415
02:22:32.520 --> 02:22:37.920
james murez: Let me just correct you deb you did not sign up for running a piece of software that I wrote.

1416
02:22:38.910 --> 02:22:48.150
Daffodil Tyminski: When I signed up for being second on whatever you have dreamed up right so like I mean obviously you know Apps in.

1417
02:22:48.180 --> 02:22:48.840
james murez: Any OK.

1418
02:22:50.010 --> 02:22:50.310
james murez: So.

1419
02:22:50.400 --> 02:22:50.880
Daffodil Tyminski: My point.

1420
02:22:51.720 --> 02:22:52.020
Daffodil Tyminski: Here the.

1421
02:22:53.280 --> 02:22:59.070
Daffodil Tyminski: shredding you decide what you want we'll make it happen, Melissa I think has some tech challenges.

1422
02:22:59.940 --> 02:23:13.020
Daffodil Tyminski: By doing this, on her phone that may be difficult, so if it's not always that can be me or I know other people would volunteer and step up and do it, but decide how you think the meeting would go best and we'll make it happen.

1423
02:23:13.380 --> 02:23:25.320
james murez: Well, why don't you try, you have the link already you've seen the demonstration, I went over quickly you're very tech savvy as far as i'm concerned if you're comfortable with it will let you do it, and you can do it at add calm and you know.

1424
02:23:25.740 --> 02:23:31.620
james murez: It add calm if we run into glitches where do you have a question i'll just answer the question for you it's not a big deal.

1425
02:23:31.680 --> 02:23:34.290
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah I was gonna say, let me try to add come.

1426
02:23:34.590 --> 02:23:40.350
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, and let's try to have a good meeting using it i'll probably play around with it ahead of time and hopefully.

1427
02:23:40.350 --> 02:23:41.370
james murez: become the most of it.

1428
02:23:41.670 --> 02:23:55.380
james murez: Most of the questions that you're going to have are going to be during the time that the agenda is actually being created not during the time that the agenda is act not during the time that the Minutes are being recorded.

1429
02:23:56.220 --> 02:24:04.740
james murez: Because during the minute recording the only time anything comes up this if you have to create a an alternate motion or something along those lines.

1430
02:24:05.220 --> 02:24:12.870
james murez: But everything else, all of the moving things around and all of that, I mean that all happens during the creation of the agenda, not during the minute taking so.

1431
02:24:12.900 --> 02:24:17.700
Daffodil Tyminski: Baby why I mean the only the only thing that could be a little hanky is if we.

1432
02:24:20.010 --> 02:24:20.640
Daffodil Tyminski: If we.

1433
02:24:21.930 --> 02:24:27.930
Daffodil Tyminski: end up you know, like how are we dealing with the consent calendar and stuff coming off of consent, and all that.

1434
02:24:29.670 --> 02:24:34.800
james murez: So it'll they'll be numbered items so just you know if you want to take them off of consent you change the number.

1435
02:24:35.730 --> 02:24:37.530
james murez: Okay, he changed well let's see.

1436
02:24:37.620 --> 02:24:41.310
james murez: Know we've been recording that yeah that's gonna be a bit of an issue have to think about that.

1437
02:24:41.970 --> 02:24:49.200
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah well you know let's let's why don't we do a phantom consent, well, I guess, maybe we shouldn't do it on the head comma agenda but.

1438
02:24:51.570 --> 02:24:59.400
Daffodil Tyminski: um alright well you know we'll deal with problems as they come there'll be a little hiccup in the beginning, but I think actually This is great and everyone's going to appreciate it.

1439
02:24:59.460 --> 02:25:05.190
Ivan: Okay, so my next question is the committee chairs have to do this also right.

1440
02:25:05.760 --> 02:25:10.770
james murez: They be if they want we're not gonna i'm not going to force it on it, but they want to do paper and pencil the.

1441
02:25:10.770 --> 02:25:18.570
Ivan: Key How does their their items fit onto the agenda if they're not entering them into the system.

1442
02:25:19.680 --> 02:25:23.640
Daffodil Tyminski: They have to use agenda request Ivan that's a non negotiable.

1443
02:25:23.880 --> 02:25:29.490
james murez: Well, they can they can manually type them in the system allows them to be manually typed.

1444
02:25:31.140 --> 02:25:35.010
Ivan: But it would have to be the committee chair, yes, they don't have.

1445
02:25:36.030 --> 02:25:37.350
Ivan: To leave the Chair that keep.

1446
02:25:38.070 --> 02:25:41.190
Daffodil Tyminski: Anybody anybody can make an agenda request Ivan.

1447
02:25:41.280 --> 02:25:42.180
Ivan: It doesn't have to be.

1448
02:25:42.270 --> 02:25:49.140
Daffodil Tyminski: A chair, they could say you know aunt Sally your my scribe you do the agenda request and and Sally can put it on.

1449
02:25:50.880 --> 02:26:01.080
james murez: yeah but I mean if they want to do them right now, they can do them from scratch, I mean that's sort of what i'm saying you know I can I can go out here.

1450
02:26:02.700 --> 02:26:04.950
james murez: Maybe you missed this part, but let me.

1451
02:26:06.600 --> 02:26:09.420
james murez: These items that are on here let's see this isn't recording.

1452
02:26:09.990 --> 02:26:11.280
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, by the way, guys.

1453
02:26:11.340 --> 02:26:18.540
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah i'm really sorry but I have to meet my neighbor at 730 behind reality, give them a dog CRATE his dog just had surgery.

1454
02:26:18.930 --> 02:26:19.290
Okay.

1455
02:26:20.940 --> 02:26:21.360
Daffodil Tyminski: um.

1456
02:26:22.890 --> 02:26:25.410
Daffodil Tyminski: Can I jump off, I think I got it Jim and I.

1457
02:26:27.570 --> 02:26:27.660
Ivan: You.

1458
02:26:28.650 --> 02:26:33.390
james murez: know I will finish, I will finish this with you real quick so right now, we have an bye bye.

1459
02:26:34.140 --> 02:26:36.930
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay bye guys Thank you thanks for doing this.

1460
02:26:36.960 --> 02:26:39.720
james murez: Right now, we have a bunch of items on here i'm just going to click.

1461
02:26:39.780 --> 02:26:41.640
Ivan: The delete box after, though.

1462
02:26:42.330 --> 02:26:43.020
james murez: she's gone.

1463
02:26:43.500 --> 02:26:44.370
Ivan: he's gone alright.

1464
02:26:45.630 --> 02:26:55.290
james murez: So right now on this agenda there's only two items okay there's the introduction enrolls, which is all pre described and there's the call to order.

1465
02:26:56.130 --> 02:27:10.140
james murez: At this point I need to add on here the roll call, so I click up here and I select roll call and I click add now when I scroll down you'll see that now the roll call is here well because this one was already used before they already shows them all check.

1466
02:27:10.170 --> 02:27:11.310
Ivan: Okay right.

1467
02:27:12.210 --> 02:27:23.790
james murez: But now I can go up here and if I want to have a section heading I click on Section heading I click on add, and now I have a section heading down here, and I can put in here.

1468
02:27:25.470 --> 02:27:28.740
james murez: No co n CP empty items.

1469
02:27:29.970 --> 02:27:42.720
james murez: Okay, and so now that's there, and now I can come up here and I can click on a title and the description, so this one only has a title and will call us something.

1470
02:27:46.050 --> 02:27:46.800
james murez: To talk about.

1471
02:27:49.710 --> 02:27:52.680
james murez: And the description of it is going to be.

1472
02:28:00.390 --> 02:28:02.400
james murez: Get the picture the.

1473
02:28:02.430 --> 02:28:02.790
yep.

1474
02:28:05.250 --> 02:28:05.610
james murez: Okay.

1475
02:28:07.050 --> 02:28:07.500
james murez: Okay.

1476
02:28:07.560 --> 02:28:07.770
yeah.

1477
02:28:08.940 --> 02:28:10.680
james murez: i'm going i'm just thinking about.

1478
02:28:12.660 --> 02:28:15.420
james murez: going through here, and I am now creating.

1479
02:28:15.780 --> 02:28:34.080
james murez: And now here's here's an item that has a title and the discussion and the motion Okay, and I click on this one, and if I click on it 345 I just clicked on it like six times okay so here's six more items with motions, none of which have been filled in, and I can fill them all in manually.

1480
02:28:34.440 --> 02:28:35.940
james murez: If they came in right.

1481
02:28:36.570 --> 02:28:46.440
james murez: If they came in through the agenda request system, I could go up here and import them if they are items that are left over from a previous agenda.

1482
02:28:46.980 --> 02:29:03.780
james murez: So here are items that came in through the agenda request that daffodil and I already imported in so you'll see now when I scroll down here, this was something that came in through the agenda request system okay so was this one so was this one, these were Hughes old ones.

1483
02:29:05.820 --> 02:29:21.090
james murez: So what i'm saying is is, I can also import another agenda that was from a previous I mean I could import a previous minutes I could import a previous agenda, I could import anything that had previously been created.

1484
02:29:21.720 --> 02:29:32.730
james murez: Okay, and as I, as I import them, maybe I only want one of the items that's on that agenda, I can go up here and I can click on these things notice that the numbers are changing.

1485
02:29:32.970 --> 02:29:40.200
james murez: Because I deleted all of the extras that I didn't want to have on here from the previous time so now i'm back to only having these items.

1486
02:29:41.430 --> 02:29:44.850
james murez: What I don't have right now is a resort the number button.

1487
02:29:45.870 --> 02:29:52.050
james murez: And daffodil brought up a good question, what are we going to do with consent items once they've been taken off of the consent calendar.

1488
02:29:53.010 --> 02:29:56.940
Ivan: and make them zoom another number and put it under new business.

1489
02:29:56.970 --> 02:29:58.590
james murez: yeah yeah but I got to do that.

1490
02:30:00.930 --> 02:30:02.400
james murez: I I don't have that.

1491
02:30:02.610 --> 02:30:06.300
Ivan: You know the point that somebody's got to be doing all this stuff.

1492
02:30:06.690 --> 02:30:07.440
Ivan: yeah you know.

1493
02:30:08.700 --> 02:30:12.720
Ivan: yeah some rich happening in real time like consent thing.

1494
02:30:14.010 --> 02:30:14.730
james murez: Right well.

1495
02:30:14.850 --> 02:30:16.980
Ivan: Am I making this easy don't want everybody.

1496
02:30:17.340 --> 02:30:22.410
Ivan: sitting and waiting while you make these changes, you have to go on and keep running the meeting.

1497
02:30:22.440 --> 02:30:23.790
james murez: yeah I think what i'm going to.

1498
02:30:23.790 --> 02:30:24.030
Ivan: Do.

1499
02:30:24.090 --> 02:30:33.750
james murez: Is i'm going to make a new template up here, which will be consent items so it'll be a consent items calendar and on that.

1500
02:30:34.860 --> 02:30:48.840
james murez: The consent items that then follow it will be numbered underneath the same number of the consent and there'll be a special button that says take off of consent, as soon as you take it off have consented to move it down to.

1501
02:30:48.840 --> 02:30:51.540
james murez: Okay today i'm not hearing but.

1502
02:30:51.930 --> 02:30:57.990
Ivan: That that's great okay and you're saying who's going to be doing this.

1503
02:30:58.500 --> 02:31:00.330
james murez: But hopefully it'll stay real simple.

1504
02:31:00.990 --> 02:31:03.150
Ivan: Well, hopefully, but you know it never does.

1505
02:31:05.160 --> 02:31:05.640
james murez: All right.

1506
02:31:06.720 --> 02:31:13.950
Ivan: Think about this, think about you know in real time who's going to be able to be doing this, if it's not militia.

1507
02:31:14.910 --> 02:31:15.540
james murez: No it's not.

1508
02:31:15.960 --> 02:31:16.710
Ivan: going to be.

1509
02:31:17.010 --> 02:31:18.870
Ivan: And it really shouldn't be you.

1510
02:31:20.610 --> 02:31:21.570
Ivan: It could be you.

1511
02:31:22.830 --> 02:31:26.430
Ivan: You know, but you're more important, in fact, you have to run the meeting.

1512
02:31:26.820 --> 02:31:27.180
Right.

1513
02:31:28.890 --> 02:31:33.630
james murez: But at this point if you stop and you actually answer the question that you just said.

1514
02:31:34.530 --> 02:31:36.750
james murez: yeah, this is the running of the meeting.

1515
02:31:38.760 --> 02:31:43.140
Ivan: Okay, you don't want to spend half the meeting dealing with technology.

1516
02:31:43.380 --> 02:31:48.690
james murez: i'm not talking about I know if I make the tool work well enough it shouldn't take any time the right knowledge.

1517
02:31:49.080 --> 02:31:50.070
james murez: end up running the meeting.

1518
02:31:50.820 --> 02:31:56.100
Ivan: Okay, by West suggestion as you call a meeting of all the committee chair.

1519
02:31:58.110 --> 02:31:59.820
Ivan: we've never really done a training.

1520
02:32:00.240 --> 02:32:09.960
james murez: No and that's what I was thinking to we would do that I would make the video, and then I would I would actually run the video for the committee chairs and anybody else that.

1521
02:32:09.960 --> 02:32:10.380
Ivan: wants to.

1522
02:32:10.650 --> 02:32:11.400
Ivan: Practice it.

1523
02:32:11.670 --> 02:32:22.200
james murez: yeah and go through it and then have a one on you know, like have a an open dialogue, first, I would play the video so everybody gets an idea of it, and then I will let everybody try and create their own agendas.

1524
02:32:22.920 --> 02:32:23.760
Ivan: Okay yeah.

1525
02:32:25.500 --> 02:32:26.340
Ivan: All right, because.

1526
02:32:27.120 --> 02:32:27.960
james murez: By the way.

1527
02:32:28.380 --> 02:32:31.650
james murez: You know, showed I showed this to the folks at web corner today.

1528
02:32:32.160 --> 02:32:37.320
james murez: yeah and they were blown away, they want to use it all they want to use it on all their other Councils.

1529
02:32:37.410 --> 02:32:38.070
Ivan: Okay, great.

1530
02:32:38.250 --> 02:32:47.220
james murez: and actually be entered the what we really should do after we haven't running smoothly, we should just let done habit and they should use it on all neighborhood Councils.

1531
02:32:48.690 --> 02:32:49.230
Ivan: Okay.

1532
02:32:50.550 --> 02:32:51.690
james murez: i'm just saying you know.

1533
02:32:52.140 --> 02:32:56.730
Ivan: No, I understand just gotta remember, there were people out here.

1534
02:32:57.420 --> 02:32:57.810
That.

1535
02:32:59.160 --> 02:33:01.770
Ivan: don't that are like cj you know.

1536
02:33:01.980 --> 02:33:03.660
james murez: I got it, but you know what.

1537
02:33:04.050 --> 02:33:06.300
james murez: Everybody, we need to.

1538
02:33:06.600 --> 02:33:16.800
james murez: know, we need to demonstrate to done how done can do a better job of what they're doing because they should have created this tool for us years ago.

1539
02:33:17.400 --> 02:33:24.390
Ivan: Okay, so now, this is something that I should just you book time with Freddie.

1540
02:33:27.090 --> 02:33:28.260
james murez: Well, you know that woman.

1541
02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:34.260
james murez: The woman raquel was supposed to have a meeting with me and she hasn't.

1542
02:33:35.280 --> 02:33:36.120
james murez: She committed.

1543
02:33:36.510 --> 02:33:37.590
james murez: She committed to it.

1544
02:33:38.220 --> 02:33:39.150
Ivan: he's an idiot.

1545
02:33:39.420 --> 02:33:39.780
james murez: All right.

1546
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:44.220
Ivan: ready, I mean he doesn't have a lot of power there.

1547
02:33:44.400 --> 02:33:45.180
james murez: No, but.

1548
02:33:45.240 --> 02:33:47.190
Ivan: He doesn't understand technology.

1549
02:33:47.490 --> 02:33:51.210
james murez: Okay well tell him that I have a cool tool and if he wants to see it i'll.

1550
02:33:51.930 --> 02:33:53.310
Ivan: Tell them, you have to contact him.

1551
02:33:53.670 --> 02:33:58.980
Ivan: yeah, I can tell them that but, but you need to sit down.

1552
02:33:59.040 --> 02:34:09.570
james murez: right away i'm going to get i'm going to get off now and go have my dinner, but I just want to mention to you the city attorney has no problem whatsoever with be running for city council.

1553
02:34:11.640 --> 02:34:11.970
Ivan: Okay.

1554
02:34:12.000 --> 02:34:20.550
james murez: Great the only the only thing he said, the only thing they did say was I need to be careful not to use the nc resources for.

1555
02:34:20.580 --> 02:34:23.190
james murez: Right anything to do okay.

1556
02:34:24.150 --> 02:34:26.040
Ivan: And again, the reason I wanted you to do.

1557
02:34:26.040 --> 02:34:26.610
james murez: That it.

1558
02:34:26.670 --> 02:34:30.960
james murez: I got it it's been done i've been it's been too i'm going to cancel this meeting okay.

1559
02:34:31.020 --> 02:34:32.850
james murez: Thank you for participating bye bye.