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james murez: With their hand up.

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Alix: that's the leaks.

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james murez: Okay, just a minute.

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Alix: Jim.

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Alix: Jim.

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james murez: Yes.

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Alix: I sent out you were on topic.

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james murez: Sorry.

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Alix: Did you get the letters that I sent out.

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james murez: um.

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james murez: I sent you back several signed look for side letters.

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Alix: I know, and I sent them back.

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Alix: out to the appropriate people and I copied the board to make sure you saw you saw they were sent.

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Alix: Okay, email problems, so if you wouldn't mind confirming that you received that would be like super helpful.

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james murez: So the person that needs to confirm is Melissa because she's the official record keeper.

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Alix: Okay, well, she was copied to because the whole Board was copy.

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james murez: yeah but you need to make sure that she received them if you're concerned that you didn't get something out whether I got it or not, doesn't make any difference and she's the one that has to have the copy.

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Alix: All right.

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james murez: You don't have to send it out to the entire board.

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james murez: But you need to do is send it out to to to her.

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james murez: And that would be great because that's the requirement so she has a copy.

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Alix: Okay, and then I just want to confirm with you at some point for like you know comments from like updates from land use when that's going to go in on the.

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Alix: Agenda

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james murez: comments from land use on the agenda know what you.

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Alix: Like any land use updates.

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james murez: Look let's.

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james murez: Look let's take this stuff off, excuse me off lines.

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james murez: Because this is all being recorded as part of your meeting.

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Alix: Okay, great perfect.

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Alix: hi Chris.

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Chris Plourde: hi Alex.

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Chris Plourde: leaks sorry.

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A leak sorry.

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Alix: Christopher.

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Chris Plourde: i'm just Chris.

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Chris Plourde: Okay, somebody called me Christopher and that's what happens.

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Chris Plourde: Government thanks, my name is Thomas because that's my first name but i'm really just Chris.

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Alix: I the way I have the same problem I go by my middle name, and it was like a gigantic pain in the neck for me.

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Chris Plourde: Oh still is.

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Alix: yeah.

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Alix: I had found out at one point that my social and my birth certificate didn't match up and my mother's always called me by my middle name so like I didn't realize this until much later in life.

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Alix: Like Why am I not getting my driver's license.

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Alix: renewed and they're like cuz your name doesn't match and I sent them in my birth certificate and they're like well that's not what's on your social security.

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Alix: I was like Oh, really.

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Chris Plourde: yeah after 911 everything changed yeah.

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Alix: But to commiserate I understand I feel your pain.

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Chris Plourde: After 911 all of a sudden, all my credit card subjected me too, because my credit cards all say Christopher pork, they all subjected me to special handling at the airport anytime I use them.

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Chris Plourde: Really.

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Chris Plourde: yeah because, because the name.

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Chris Plourde: Because the name on the credit card didn't match the name on the ticket, which is matching the name of the passport so.

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Alix: Well that's interesting because my passport and my and my.

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Alix: My passport matches.

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Alix: But my driver's license doesn't.

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Chris Plourde: yeah.

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Chris Plourde: Well, they got very big very pissy about it, I spent a lot of time sitting in airports waiting for somebody to come up to me and asked me why my name didn't match.

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Alix: I feel, your pain my mother was profiled as a terrorist, she is she's Latin American and she used to do international trust mistake, and she would let law and she was traveling a lot.

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Alix: And she would get stopped on a regular basis for hours on end, and she finally had to bring a lawyer in to get it sorted out.

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Alix: Anyway, fascinating for everyone who's listening to this we're just waiting we're almost at a quorum.

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Chris Plourde: Jim Jim is having a great time.

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Chris Plourde: so great that.

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Alix: we're all going to need are.

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Alix: what's it called our cameras on.

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Alix: So 12345 we are a quorum and we're couple minutes past seven so i'm just going to give us a couple more seconds minutes before I adjourn the meeting.

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Alix: But in the interim.

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Alix: I will.

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Alix: I mean start the meeting sorry.

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Alix: Can everybody see that.

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Chris Plourde: Yes.

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Alix: Great I see someone with the phone of 556 I don't think that's anyone in our.

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Alix: lupus committee, but if it is feel free to text me or holler at me, so I have your part of us.

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Alix: And in about a minute or two we'll get started.

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Alix: Alright, well, we are at quorum, so it is seven minutes past seven i'm going to start meeting.

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Alix: I think Barry said he was going to be here so i'm surprised that he is not here.

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Alix: next term quickly.

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Alix: start the meeting and if Barry joy and spill mark him when he comes in.

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Alix: So roll call this is a leaks i'm here.

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Alix: And Barry.

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Alix: it's not here Corinne.

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Alix: Thank you i'm lauren.

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Alix: i'm not Royce couldn't make it tonight, Chris floored.

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Alix: Here, here and in Jamaica can't make it.

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Alix: mchale.

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Alix: Here and minish.

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Alix: Great and just that we have a quorum, we will call to order.

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Alix: Does anyone want to make a motion to approve the Minutes for September 30.

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Michael Jensen: So I have a question about the same thing I I.

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Michael Jensen: wrote via email, but on the after the item see.

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Michael Jensen: Is.

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Michael Jensen: Not seconded there's a whole bunch of stuff that came out from the Minutes that just I guess that's what we're going to talk about tonight.

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Alix: we'll talk about some of it, but the short answer to it mchale is is if it's not seconded and the committee decides not to take it up it's at the president of the board's discretion whether he wishes to move it forward to the board for consideration or not.

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Michael Jensen: Right it's the President.

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Alix: President of the Board can make the decision.

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Michael Jensen: Whether or not to hear it.

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Michael Jensen: what's that whether or not to hear it correct put it on the agenda correct.

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Michael Jensen: So my only change would be that the Minutes reflect that it just was moved and seconded and the motion failed period.

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Michael Jensen: And I there was a whole explanation afterwards, but I don't think occurred at the meeting or seem like they go on minutes.

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Alix: Is that your mission to kill.

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Alix: Okay, so do you want to repeat that again.

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Michael Jensen: yeah let me pull up the Minutes because I have to read it exactly.

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Michael Jensen: One minute.

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Michael Jensen: So my motion is just that ELISE makes a second no second motion fails to proceed for discussion period.

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Alix: i'm sorry if that wasn't that's what's in the Minutes.

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Michael Jensen: The Minutes the Minutes read ELISE makes motion no second ocean fails for person to proceed for discuss comma loop heck does not weigh in on the motion motion goes toward for review and discussion.

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Michael Jensen: The West side regional Lions, then a.

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Michael Jensen: whole bunch of texts.

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Alix: Like to, then the Minutes.

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Michael Jensen: So my amendment is to complete the word discuss into discussion with a period and that's an delete the remainder.

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Alix: Okay, who wants to second that.

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Michael Jensen: Was anyone else here, then.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, well, I guess, I mentioned fails.

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Alix: or new shoes here um I think Korean was here.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah.

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corinne Baginski: I was yeah but i'm too new to figure this out yet.

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Alix: Okay, so we'll get into this and point of order, I, as the Chair i'm not allowed to make motions or second box so.

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Mehrnoosh: Can I second if I wasn't originally present at the first meaning.

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Michael Jensen: No, no, she were at this meeting.

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Alix: You were at this meeting.

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Michael Jensen: 30th.

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Mehrnoosh: know the 30th 30 i'm sorry.

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Mehrnoosh: Okay i'll second this go.

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Alix: fish.

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Alix: And we can take a vote.

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Alix: mchale i'm assuming you're an I.

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Alix: guess i'm marunouchi i'm assuming you're a yes.

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Alix: i'm Korean.

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corinne Baginski: i'll see yes.

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Alix: and Chris and not to tell you how to vote, but because you were not at last.

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Alix: staining Thank you.

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Alix: and me, yes, so the motion carries.

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Alix: rate.

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Alix: Does anyone have any ex parte communications on this.

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Michael Jensen: yeah project day I will stop on.

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Alix: Great and I, of course, have spoken with everybody.

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Alix: Perfect i'm moving on to public comment on non agenda items related to land use if anybody has comments to make, I would ask you please raise your hand in the chat room.

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Alix: And I will bring you in for comment.

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Alix: I see one hand up.

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Alix: One hand.

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Alix: that's it.

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Alix: Great.

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Alix: Erica.

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Erica Moore: hi I just want to thank everybody for their service and I just wanted to make an observation that I thought it was really inappropriate at the last meeting when.

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Erica Moore: One of the Members asserted that nobody in the public, none of the stakeholders, read the supporting documentation.

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Erica Moore: I definitely read it, and I know there's lots of other people that read it, and I feel that that's just.

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Erica Moore: Just so appropriate, I mean the point is we're not professionals, just like you're not professional.

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Erica Moore: we're here because we care about the Community, and we want to chime in and say what we what's important to us about you know, preserving our Community and building, you know responsibly, so I just got up very offensive and I just want to thank you guys, for your time.

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Alix: Thank you Erica.

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Alix: And with that we are closing public comments.

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Alix: And now we're going to move on to case a.

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Alix: Really weird that my chest sort of screwed up but anyway um mchale do you want to make the motion and.

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Alix: I will.

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Michael Jensen: This is where I make the motion to introduce this case it's.

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Alix: Very make the motion.

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Michael Jensen: The I will make them.

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Alix: On hold on, let me just.

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Alix: Let me just finish up.

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Alix: will present you will read your staff report, then we will have public comment, and then we will go back to committee comments.

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Michael Jensen: understood.

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Michael Jensen: Well motion to introduce for discussion case a Dir 2021 7275 CDP spp envy 2021 72676 see.

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Michael Jensen: That I do it right.

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Alix: You don't have emotion that you want to break on the actual project.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, the most well, yes, the motion is to approve is presented.

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Alix: Right Kim can we use the motion to approve was presented, which will open up the conversation on this project.

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Alix: Yes, motion to approve this.

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Alix: And by the way, to clarify to everybody, just because mikael has made the motion to approve the project as presented, that does not mean that will be the final motion that does not mean we have to pass that motion.

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Alix: That name you do pass that motion, it is just so we can start the conversation on this project with emotion.

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Alix: Perfect i'm letting in Dana and.

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james murez: Excuse me for interrupting you need a second time emotion.

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Alix: And I know that Jim i'm about to get a second with someone like to second that.

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Chris Plourde: I will second.

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Michael Jensen: This is gonna take me a while to get used to.

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Alix: Alright, well, we can discuss that later, and I have Dana pretto and megan in the.

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Alix: In the panelists room, do you want to share screen, or do you want do do you have materials to share.

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Dana Prieto: I believe megan megan has materials to share on our behalf.

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Megan Lawler: Yes, I have some plans and basically plans and rendering or to.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Megan Lawler: Should I be bringing those up now or.

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Alix: share the screen talks about this project.

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Megan Lawler: What.

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Alix: To do.

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Megan Lawler: About that all right one, second, let me.

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Megan Lawler: Let me get this going and share my screen.

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Megan Lawler: Okay, is everyone seen site plan.

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Alix: We are.

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Megan Lawler: Great Okay, so this is the site plan for the location at 3223 21 Abbot kinney.

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Megan Lawler: Previously, the site for the 45 trading space and the French market CAFE still the site for the F 35 printing Center.

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Megan Lawler: As everyone, I think, is aware, the French market CAFE suffered a fire and burnt down, and we are now replacing it with a new CAFE the United States of Espresso on the first floor the.

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Megan Lawler: Agenda or application is actually to convert the change of use for upstairs which was previously an open office space to an FSA yoga and training studio as well, and so.

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Megan Lawler: here on the site plan there's no change whatsoever to the existing footprint of the building or the area, the internal square footage of the building at all.

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Megan Lawler: The existing patio and cialis is actually being updated same footprint just updated and and refined bit more, and will be used by the CAFE.

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Megan Lawler: parking remains the same in the lobby, we are adding an extensive additional bicycle parking and we can get into what those numbers mean, but first i'll move into what the space will look like if that works for everyone, so the existing space sorry there we go.

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Megan Lawler: too far, this is the previous space, so we have the existing 45 here on the North end of the first floor and we had the French market CAFE.

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Megan Lawler: i'm here on the South end of the first floor and then again upstairs was really an open kind of office space and which has all been dumped out, so the.

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Megan Lawler: New plans the F 35 remains and will absorb some of the space to create a larger fitness studio here and the CAFE will continue the new CAFE will exist in the old CAFE space at a reduced footprint.

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Megan Lawler: And upstairs will open up to be a yoga yoga studio which looks like this, so.

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Megan Lawler: Again, that includes, in addition to the space change there's a lot of great updates to the building in general there's a brand new htc system which will, whereas previously the gym.

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Megan Lawler: Had a subpar system and had to open all its windows and doors to get proper airflow the new system will reduce that needs so things like sound will be much less of an issue upstairs is a much quieter.

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Megan Lawler: More mellow sort of workout program so again, not so much about a noise and again with new a new htc.

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Megan Lawler: And downstairs will still have that CAFE component, a lot of Members of the Community express being very happy to have a new CAFE component missing the French market.

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Megan Lawler: And again with the updated deck just being sort of renewed it'll be another great Community space for everyone to have where we did previously have one but.

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Megan Lawler: can bring that back and so again the 45 existed, just to get a sense of what the new spaces will look like this is some of the USA V, the United States of Espresso coffee branding.

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Megan Lawler: And upstairs, this is a bit of the aesthetic that will be for the new yoga Center so just to give you a sense of what will be there.

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Megan Lawler: Any questions or anything that you'd like me to touch upon more extensively.

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Alix: And for now now is that the end of the presentation.

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Megan Lawler: yep keep it short and sweet.

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Alix: mikael do you want to present your your report and findings and then we're going to open it up to public comment, and then we will go back to address any questions that might come to either the committee committee questions or applicant questions from the Community, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Sure i'll uh i'll run through the report real quick um I think the big.

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Alix: tail or do you want me to you want me to leave the content.

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Michael Jensen: Should I mean I can I can put the report up um let's see here share screen.

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Alix: Right, thank you, sorry.

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Alix: begun, excuse me.

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Megan Lawler: Despite you know, a year and a half of pandemic, I still somehow haven't totally managed the zoom so I apologize.

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Alix: we're all in that phone.

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Megan Lawler: Do stop video nope not what i'm supposed to do so sorry.

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Michael Jensen: Apparently, I think I can just kill your screen share.

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Megan Lawler: There we go.

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Megan Lawler: even better.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so here is the staff report.

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Michael Jensen: i'm not going to read the project description, because I think that's on the agenda but.

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Michael Jensen: Projects as an expansion of an existing gym at 445 sorry 24 I must have been having 24 hour fitness in my head.

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Michael Jensen: that's expanding into what we used to know is the French market.

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Michael Jensen: The change of use as the office upstairs which is going to trigger an increased part and calculation that i'll get into later, but the important thing is that there's no new footprint expansion to the existing building.

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Michael Jensen: send the oakwood millwood se Venice sub area, the zoning is see to this use both I fitness studio at a CAFE are permitted to see to zone.

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Michael Jensen: The proposed parking is 30 spaces and.

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Michael Jensen: 11 bicycle spaces that's wrong sorry that's 5052.

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Michael Jensen: don't know what I was sorry.

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Michael Jensen: This is a draft report, so I will clean that up for the final.

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Michael Jensen: So I the biggest thing for me was going through the parking table and making sure that the or the parking calculation, making sure that the increased intensity intensity of use was going to.

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Michael Jensen: have enough parking per code.

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Michael Jensen: The applicants relying on a section of the La municipal code which allows you to swap.

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Michael Jensen: four to one bicycle for.

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Michael Jensen: For car spaces.

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Michael Jensen: So the total required parking for this site under the current Code is 53 spaces.

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Michael Jensen: There they're grandfathered rights results in a credit of 10 spaces.

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Michael Jensen: And so 43 spaces are actually required.

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Michael Jensen: They have 30 so the 13 are being made up out of bicycle spots.

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Michael Jensen: You know, four times.

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Michael Jensen: And that is permitted within the La municipal code, because the project is within 1500 feet of a major transit stop.

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Michael Jensen: And those are those stops are on Venice and Abbot kinney.

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Michael Jensen: there's no waivers or adjustments being requested the mass character and scale is not relevant to this discussion, because there's no change to the building exterior of the footprint.

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Michael Jensen: At the Community outreach meeting, I would say, I know, six or seven neighbors showed up and many of them were supportive of you know, having a business come back there because it's sad or I don't know how many months now, as basically a.

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Michael Jensen: You know, abandoned.

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Michael Jensen: fenced in area for the fire.

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Michael Jensen: One of the neighbors did have a concern about he lives within earshot of the of the of the gym and obviously at six in the morning, listening to work out music with the windows opening or windows open was not.

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Michael Jensen: not really his cup of tea, so I think the applicants are going to solve this problem, because they are redoing the H hvac system they.

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Michael Jensen: I forget whether it was I forget who walked me through the all of the interior upgrades that are going to address sound sound dampening but the idea is this place is going to now have windows closed with music, you know, probably blaring and it shouldn't escape the the building.

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Michael Jensen: There some neighbors actually wanted to see the alcohol license return there I think they were probably frequent thurs of the French market that's not on the table, right now, but certainly.

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Michael Jensen: If the applicant chooses to come back for that.

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Michael Jensen: Some neighbors clearly supported already so and we would see them we would see the application for a CV before our committee if that happened.

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Michael Jensen: And so, with That said, I recommend proving the project is presented.

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Alix: Thank you Mattel and i'm going to open this up for public comment.

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Alix: Does anyone have public comment on this project.

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Alix: I see one hand.

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Alix: One hand great I see Erica.

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Alix: Erica.

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Erica Moore: I just wanted to compliment you like on your tail on your floor it's really nice very easy to read and really appreciate that.

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Erica Moore: i'm super familiar with this property and I think it's wonderful that something new, is going to have in there.

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Erica Moore: I am a little concerned about the set I like to use it resets the neighbors but it's playing the whole section where it would be filled out about their responses.

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Erica Moore: is actually playing on the report it'd be nice to see that filled in and i'd actually like to see a little bit more outreach to the neighborhood.

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Erica Moore: Just because you had low attendance, it might be that people weren't aware, and I think it is important, especially when you're bringing something in like that, where you potentially could be quite busy, and have lots of patrons.

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Erica Moore: And, basically, I also wanted to highlight is our is it going to be closed so you're not looking out into other neighbors guards and they're not exposed.

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Erica Moore: to people that are inside looking down I don't know how it situated with that so just wanted to acknowledge that and good luck with your project, I think that this should be approved yeah but why am I just wanted to express those concerns, I had thanks.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Alix: And with that we are closing public comments.

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james murez: Eric Alex might my hand is up and he was for public comment.

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Alix: i'm sorry Jim you're not in the public years a Co host.

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james murez: Okay i'm in the public in this meeting because i'm not a member of the committee.

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Alix: Well urine as a panelist but i'm, especially because you just unmuted yourself but feel free to chime in if you have public comment on non agenda items.

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james murez: No, this is on the agenda item.

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Alix: Is this on this particular motion on this particular project.

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Alix: Yes, oh sorry, please make your comment before we close public comment.

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james murez: Thank you um could you put the.

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james murez: diagram up back, I guess, is it megan could you put the illustration backup of the site plan.

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james murez: Absolutely so For those of you that don't know I worked on this project about 20 years ago when I was on with pat.

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james murez: before it was actually a restaurant.

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james murez: there's a couple of things that I would just like to point out, and perhaps ask you if you've also considered So if you move your cursor down to the lower portion of the screen just drop it down now back to where the dotted line is keep going up there's a passage way.

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james murez: Between two neighborhoods and it goes along the the what i'm going to call the bottom portion of the drawing there's about a five foot walkway there and that's a public right of way.

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james murez: At some point in time somebody put a gate up there, and that should remain open.

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james murez: Because it is a way for the Community to get through now, having said that i'm not opposed to having it be secure in some way.

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james murez: But I think that it should be considered that it is a public right of way and perhaps more importantly Mars street doesn't have a sidewalk.

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james murez: And this has been a big problem for the entire neighborhood for many, many years.

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james murez: So while you're going through this process, it would be really nice to get a sidewalk in on marsh street and then that public right away along the backside of the property wouldn't be necessary.

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james murez: The problem is, is that people have to walk in the street when they come off of Abbot kinney to get into the back, maybe you're right there where your cursor is right.

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Megan Lawler: yeah there's a.

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james murez: sidewalk there you have you know some bushes you have a step down, but I think you have enough space for at least a three foot, maybe even a five foot wide sidewalk.

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james murez: i'm not sure if it's public property or if it's your property, but nevertheless, if you were to want to make those improvements, while you're making your other improvements and just pour concrete there, I think that that would be a big benefit to the whole Community.

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james murez: Also, with your parking configuration, I wonder if you considered ballet or tandem parking.

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james murez: With an attendant and the attendant could be the business operator only because I personally don't see 52 bicycles coming there and I see parking perhaps being a consideration going forward and, as far as the hba see I just hope that that doesn't end up further impacting.

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james murez: The environment that we're passing on to our next generation, the generation thereafter because we're using electricity to run the hba say.

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james murez: And we live within a half a mile of the ocean and if there's a way of getting a cross ventilation, perhaps in later hours of the day, I think that that should be a recommendation to the to the property owner.

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james murez: So that's my comments Thank you Alex.

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Alix: Thanks and i'm closing public comment and.

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Alix: megan do you want to take your screen down.

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Megan Lawler: Sure, and is there an opportunity to respond to any of the comments or is that oh.

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Alix: Absolutely, this is our chance for the committee to have comments and for for you to respond and I just want to it's a leaks here, I just want to add into jim's comments I was going to say something to mchale I know he is approved is presented, but i'd love to see maybe.

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Alix: You know windows open after a certain hour, rather than the H fat going all the time, I think it's challenging um.

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Alix: I think it's a challenging situation and that.

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Alix: You know we're in a we're in this post coven world and what do we do with fitness facilities doing proper air ventilation.

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Alix: filtration not just you know cross ventilation, I don't know the answer to that, but megan please, please ask and committee members, if you have questions, please raise your hand and we'll give you the floor.

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Megan Lawler: Okay well just right out the gate i'll respond Thank you so much about their can Jim for your comments everything's you know we're always happy with open ears to hear what he has to say.

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Megan Lawler: and also to Erica question about the privacy, no new windows are being added so with regards to any sort of concerns about people from the second floor looking down into the spaces there's.

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Megan Lawler: Any views they had before they might still have but certainly nothing new has been added, and frankly haven't been up there, quite a bit myself.

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Megan Lawler: and looked at, not those windows, given all the screening to the neighbor's house is particularly behind the parking lot to the condos that are South and Southwest there's really no visibility there and I haven't really noticed any visibility to the West but certainly no new.

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Megan Lawler: kind of exposure is being introduced.

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Megan Lawler: And then, with the rest of the public passage i'm actually curious you're referring to the south end of the building.

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Megan Lawler: Where it is currently fenced off and has been on account of the fire and then security reasons, are a lot of people come sleeping in the abandoned building from around the area.

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Megan Lawler: And so I don't know what the history is without having been open, but we can certainly look into that with regards to kind of be able to cross behind the south of the building and then into what would be like the deck area in the parking lot.

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Megan Lawler: And I think Jim that's what you were referring to.

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Megan Lawler: And lastly, we did hear the comments about the sidewalk and don't disagree that will all be all the park Park, he is going over there and we've actually.

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Megan Lawler: Dana and every team has really cultivated a great relationship with some local bike manufacturers and bike designers who have talked about doing a great sort of artistic and thoughtful.

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Megan Lawler: That of bike racks there to accommodate the bikes and also one of the things that we talked about together in that early discussion.

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Megan Lawler: In you know and looking to see if that's something we can pursue is kind of making sure that there was a bit more space to maneuver along that mastery is.

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Megan Lawler: crazy i've almost been hit an hour times myself out there, so we're definitely aware of that, as an issue and are taking it into consideration, serious consideration so.

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Alix: Thank you megan does anyone have questions that they'd like to raise with the applicant.

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Michael Jensen: Can I just clarify a couple things.

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Michael Jensen: Erica you had a comment about the report and I just wanted to note because you said that there was an area that's blank there's two places where I have public comment.

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Michael Jensen: One is there's a summary of feedback in the Community outreach section and then in that loop hearing summary one of the items is public comments so that's I think the one you were looking at that was blank.

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Michael Jensen: If not.

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Michael Jensen: I stand corrected, but I think that's just there's actually two places for it one obviously isn't filled out yet, because it doesn't occur at the point where I draft the do the initial draft of the southport.

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Alix: Thank you Mattel does anyone else on the committee have questions comments anything they'd like to weigh in on if you raise your hand we can start a conversation or newish.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah i'm.

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Mehrnoosh: just wondering about the restaurant, the French CAFE or decline beaten same people or a is that going to be a set up with a new with uncle put it.

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Megan Lawler: it's a new company that will be operating it and the owner, the French market.

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Megan Lawler: After the fire since stepped away, so it is in fact a new owner it's a new CAFE and it will be it's it's coffee focused and then there will also be sort of over the counter pastries and packaged items and whatnot.

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Mehrnoosh: You know, and then they would have that exterior space garden area as well yeah.

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Mehrnoosh: they're inside the red area, or is it is a decrease in square footage.

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Megan Lawler: The exterior deck will be the same size and and will be upgraded and sort of refine it's just.

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Megan Lawler: kind of a lot of the damage that was there is being fixed and it's been kind of upgraded with furniture.

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Megan Lawler: And the interior space will be slightly smaller, but a lot of the French market space was also for market, so there will be as far as like seating area on the interior, it should be roughly the same, even though the footprint itself will be slightly smaller on the Interior.

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Mehrnoosh: Okay, and the site plan wasn't there a parking or the north side of the law as well.

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Megan Lawler: and still is.

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Mehrnoosh: It still is.

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Alix: anyone else.

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Mehrnoosh: I think they sent me to spend so much of the great spaces for parking cars, like.

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Megan Lawler: Well, hopefully being that this is such going to be a very fitness focused demographic coming to the space, perhaps they'll all be walking or riding their bikes or running or jogging or something he'll be less cars.

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Michael Jensen: yeah i'd actually I mean i'd like to speak to that because I.

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Michael Jensen: When I went to gyms and this feels like.

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Michael Jensen: Another lifetime, but I always buy.

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Michael Jensen: And whether that was gold, or even I went to a gym in Santa Monica that was probably about two or three miles away, and I still bike.

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Michael Jensen: I think, for a lot of locals are going to be going to this gym they're going to bike or walk I don't know that's my non scientific feeling about it but.

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Michael Jensen: I mean, the fact remains the parking.

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Michael Jensen: To code so that's what we look for.

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Dana Prieto: And I can speak to that if anyone is interested in knowing.

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Dana Prieto: The history of our demographic and their transportation means to the property since we've had just for a little knowledge for those of you that may not know at 45 consumed.

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Dana Prieto: One of the spaces down below on the first floor and we have been there since 2016 so a large majority of our membership base either walked skateboard or.

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Dana Prieto: or rode a bike, and so the goal now and being mindful of of jim's comment earlier about using H back and and transportation.

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Dana Prieto: The goal on my plan is to develop a green a green commuter plan for our Members, so those who ride their bike skateboard or walk will kind of accrue a point system and will be rewarded for for using alternative means to commute to the to the space.

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Megan Lawler: and actually Thank you Dana for reminding me also to jim's point, both in addition to the sound issue, as well as just general installation upgrade to the building.

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Megan Lawler: there's been extensive upgrades to the installation of the building as a whole and energy standpoint, as well as from a sound insulation, so, in addition to.

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Megan Lawler: filling out the walls and adding lots of installation to exterior walls which help with some of the the heat exchange and whatnot as well as sound.

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Megan Lawler: there's also for more sound isolation between the floors which helps reduce the vibrations in the building, which helped produce the sound that's transferring out and.

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Megan Lawler: And again, some of the new there's a reflective roof system to help you know again kind of try to reduce the heat transfer heatsink effect so.

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Megan Lawler: Now we're trying we're trying we're doing what we can for sure.

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Alix: mchale, this is a lakeside have a question I know you have to prove is presented, do you think we should just condition it so that there is an option to open windows that like windows have to remain shuttered like at certain like up until a certain hour.

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Michael Jensen: So I don't know whether that's an enforceable condition, I guess, the first question, but I mean my my sense is.

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Michael Jensen: This is sort of like a common sense, you know.

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Michael Jensen: If they continue to play loud music with the windows open their neighbor is going to be a huge pain in the butt.

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Michael Jensen: Especially if they come back to us and seek some kind of you know, a CV or something.

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Michael Jensen: But, so I guess My first question is whether this is an enforceable condition to say that Okay, you can have opening windows between you know 10am and 6pm maybe it is I I.

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Michael Jensen: don't I don't know.

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Michael Jensen: But you know my my senses that that shouldn't be I mean these guys have been there since 2016 you know this neighbor didn't show up.

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Michael Jensen: clamoring for conditions like that and that neighbor is the one who lives to cross the street so.

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Michael Jensen: You know I maybe i'd have a different feeling about it, if the neighbor was there, you know.

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Michael Jensen: up in arms, but it doesn't sound like it's a major concern.

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Alix: The question I don't have like super strong feelings about it, it came up so.

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Alix: I don't have.

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Alix: issues with it, I think we can call the question.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so i'll make the motion to approve is presented.

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Alix: and Chris Isaak into debt and we will take a vote mchale i'm assuming you're yes.

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Michael Jensen: Yes.

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Alix: Yes, yes.

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Alix: Yes, and.

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Alix: i'm Corinne.

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Alix: Yes, renews.

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Alix: Yes, and I am yes.

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Megan Lawler: Great.

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Alix: As you will come to our November board meeting.

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Megan Lawler: Remember okay.

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Michael Jensen: What was the vote count on that is that five that are five here.

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Alix: carried it's it's 500.

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Michael Jensen: Okay well i'm just doing the.

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Michael Jensen: Updating the staff report as we go.

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Alix: Perfect Thank you guys.

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Megan Lawler: Thank you and thank you for your help to Thank you everyone.

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Dana Prieto: Thank you.

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guys.

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Alix: So now we're going to move on to process and procedures, I noticed on the agenda for some reason it read the project twice and i'm not sure why and my computer is very funky all this week, but.

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Alix: there's been questions on process and procedure, I asked Ivan to come in to our meeting I think I saw him in the attendees i'm going to promote him to panelists so that, if we have any.

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Alix: Parliamentary issues I haven't i'm promoting you to panelist I would just ask that you please don't speak unless you are called upon.

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Alix: and

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Alix: discuss some of the the issues so first of all in in relation to how how the meetings are going to run and to sort of align or vital line with robert's rules.

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Alix: And this is something I just learned I didn't realize is the Chair cannot make emotion and I cannot second emotion, so it is incumbent upon someone in the committee, to make a motion and to end for someone else to second yet.

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Alix: And that's on everything, whether it's an agenda approval i've not agenda for whether it's it's a minute's approval, whether it's an emotion I can't do that you guys have to do it.

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Alix: I can ask, I can say what someone entertain making this motion, and we need to have a motion on the table with a second to start the conversation on the item so mikael to your point about how in previous meetings we didn't do it that way, and I had a conversation with daffodil.

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Alix: At the beginning of this term, you know just talking about how to make our new pack meetings, more effective and and constructive.

413
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Alix: And I asked her why we weren't mimicking board procedure and she said to me that it had been done this way in the past and that that voice dropped that that procedure.

414
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Alix: And she's like, but if you think you're technically right, it is, it is how it would be done in robert's rules.

415
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Alix: And she's like you're technically right and it might make your meetings work better and run better so feel free to try it out and see how it works.

416
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Alix: So the reasoning behind it is, is that if we have emotion on the table and it's seconded now we are, we are officially allowed to have this project up for conversation.

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Alix: The applicant then does their presentation staff and does their presentation and perhaps in all of this conversation between the applicant and the staff.

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Alix: It might eliminate certain questions that might come from the audience, it may or may not we don't know, but at least everything is on the table.

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Alix: Before we go to public comment, so it also improves and ensures a bit more transparency it's not trying to reinvent the wheel it's not trying to be difficult or complicated it's really trying to like clean up our meetings and have better and more meaningful.

420
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Alix: Community engagement and transparency, so does that make sense to everybody.

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Michael Jensen: Because you are trying to talk.

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Michael Jensen: No that totally makes sense, I think the, I think, where the confusion was the sort of I mean one i'm going to have you know five years of doing it a different way to try and beat out of my system but.

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Michael Jensen: So breaking the habit of that will be difficult, but I think I mean mostly it just seemed like that was from on us at the at the meeting, and it was like wait what is that, as the new process.

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And so.

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Michael Jensen: For me, even.

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Michael Jensen: You know, having done this for a while, though i'm no by no means like an expert that just like was a total curveball.

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Alix: I apologize that's my fault and that's why we've just thrown in this thing on process and procedures.

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Alix: Like and I hope with that, like explanation and like you understand why it's being done that way and it's not just me being like arbitrary and, by the way, I mean mchale i'm used to the way.

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Alix: You know you did it as well to right like I did that, for two years as chairman and watching the loop back meetings i've watched it that way, so I have to break the habit, just like you do, but reduced us also but my hope is is that.

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Alix: A we're really more aligned with Roberts and be we really have more transparency to the public, so ideally between a staff of four at an applicant presentation, there might be enough things explained there that it may be minimized certain certain certain public comment right.

431
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Alix: Yes, does anyone else, like Chris or Corinne have have questions.

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or.

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Alix: What i'm going to be.

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Chris Plourde: That is a yes okay i'm going to be much more elementary mm hmm so i'm asked to look into a project that and address I reach out to the lady singer.

435
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Alix: Chris can I stop you for a second because.

436
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Alix: That I just.

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Chris Plourde: I just wanted some procedure, this is a procedure I don't understand the procedure how I get to the place that Michael was at when he turned in his report, I just want to understand the procedure for doing that and to that I do it properly.

438
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Chris Plourde: And I don't have that institutional knowledge, and so I raised this as a question to discuss, because I think we're talking to.

439
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Alix: Chris you just muted yourself.

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Alix: There you go.

441
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Chris Plourde: I didn't because i'm gonna let you talk.

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Alix: Okay, so one I wasn't trying to cut you off with process and procedures, I was just trying to cut you off because I wanted to make sure we were aligned on how the meeting is running.

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Alix: Moving forward and why it's running that way because there were some questions on that i'm moving on to your question of how to get to the place where mikael is that so.

444
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Alix: You will, there will be a project, there will be either an architect an owner a lawyer or a land use person who's representing the project Are you familiar familiar with cms.

445
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Alix: Chris.

446
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Chris Plourde: I went the wrong way I have seen Z mess, I find it, I find it a matching system but it's fine I understand how it works.

447
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Alix: Right, it is maddening system, but you can pull off some basic information from from gina's but, more often than not you're going to get an address an applicant from from myself Korean question.

448
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corinne Baginski: Now, once you you you're assigned a project is the architect, is it the responsibility of the architect to send you drawings or is our drawings coming from you.

449
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Alix: know at the end and I understand that Jim has a different point of view on this, it is the responsibility, and this is how it's been for the last many, many years, it is the responsibility of the applicant to provide us with their drawings.

450
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Alix: and of what is and what is most up to date and and i'll give you some context for that, like, I myself was personally involved in an appeal of the project.

451
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Alix: And what we found was that the the documents that were uploaded onto cms versus what was presented at lupa were completely different different and.

452
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Alix: I want to make sure that whatever we're presenting is like the most up to date version, so that our comments are going on the on the most recent documents that the applicant.

453
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Alix: is working off of.

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Alix: So the applicant will upload and provide and, by the way, sometimes there are things that come in, like streetscape request shade study requests renderings a whole variety of things that that don't necessarily come through to.

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Alix: To city planning, and I think the more information we have, especially on bigger projects, the the better serve the Community is.

456
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corinne Baginski: But where do they upload their.

457
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Alix: They don't upload they can they will they will email them in PDF format to us, it needs to be under 15 megabytes so I had a situation.

458
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Alix: Where where we had a project, and there was a very like extensive deck done it was version 11 Okay, so there had been 10 rounds of drawings on this.

459
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Alix: That we're going through the pipeline and the one that was finally agreed upon this version 11 and it was a 20 megabyte document I couldn't upload it into our system but.

460
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Alix: All documents have to be under 1515 or under megabytes and they should come to me and to you because you need to see them and I will upload them that's my job to get them into the site and linked.

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Alix: Mikhail.

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Michael Jensen: yeah I was actually to chris's question i'm wondering if I can run a quick, I think I can probably do it in about five minutes, but I can run from like assuming I get an address.

463
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Michael Jensen: To how I, like you know start gathering all the documents to do the report I can do that run through on a screen share right now.

464
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Michael Jensen: And sort of just show everyone the steps and i'm happy to because i'll do it quickly but i'm happy to like walk you anyone through it again.

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Michael Jensen: But it's just it's sort of like a quick in there'll be a quick and dirty way to get like the basic information when you are given an address that you're assigned and not necessarily anything else.

466
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Michael Jensen: Because I work.

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Alix: And by the way, you will never just be given an address with no contact information, I will always give you like a contact person or or someone and.

468
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Alix: You know, feel free to reach out to myself to mchale to bury or two major news, if you want us to walk through initial calls with the applicant I just did that this week with Andrew.

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Alix: I think we're going to have some cases that Barry is going to help you with hurried or you're going to shadow, so that we can hopefully all become more up to speed and more comfortable in the process right Thank you.

470
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Michael Jensen: Alright, so let me just pull this up real quick.

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Michael Jensen: Share screen.

472
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Michael Jensen: And okay so here's where we start so i'm going to go to the most calm i'm already there but i'll just show you but it's Z I am as thought oh geez.

473
01:00:08.880 --> 01:00:20.970
Michael Jensen: dizziness la city.org that's the right website so we'll just do i'll pull the case that I just did, and that was 2321 either Kenny, so you.

474
01:00:22.980 --> 01:00:31.230
Michael Jensen: You type in just the address and or the the number and the street, no avenue know south.

475
01:00:33.120 --> 01:00:33.630
Michael Jensen: and

476
01:00:35.160 --> 01:00:41.820
Michael Jensen: Excuse me, so this will pull up the parcel that's identified by this address well it actually has two parcels but.

477
01:00:43.680 --> 01:00:51.090
Michael Jensen: So on on your left here it'll give you the site address the zip Code, the parcel number all of the sort of.

478
01:00:53.070 --> 01:00:55.200
Michael Jensen: parcel map information.

479
01:00:56.430 --> 01:01:07.710
Michael Jensen: And in there's a jurisdictional box here it'll tell you, you know we know it's in Venice, the area planning Commission it's in the West la planning Commission city 11.

480
01:01:09.570 --> 01:01:13.530
Michael Jensen: that'll give you all of the jurisdictional stuff and since called jurisdictional.

481
01:01:14.580 --> 01:01:24.450
Michael Jensen: And then, in the planning and zoning it'll give you, you know the zoning information it'll tell you the general plan sorry there's a lot of motorcycle.

482
01:01:25.530 --> 01:01:26.760
Michael Jensen: just give me a second here.

483
01:01:30.090 --> 01:01:35.250
Michael Jensen: And also tell you the sub area here, which is where I get that information for the staff report.

484
01:01:38.160 --> 01:01:41.340
Michael Jensen: Now, if you go down to a box it's called case numbers.

485
01:01:42.630 --> 01:01:46.740
Michael Jensen: This is going to give you everything every case number that's gone through planning.

486
01:01:47.400 --> 01:01:59.730
Michael Jensen: will get tagged and be in this box and usually the link will work, so you can just click on it sometimes it's a two step process, because the city's websites are always garbage.

487
01:02:00.210 --> 01:02:20.850
Michael Jensen: But you can see, this right here it's Dir 2021 always have the year right here is a number, and so, if we're hearing a case generally it's for for a planning case number that was filed in 2021 or 2020 it's going to be the, the most recent one that's on here.

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Michael Jensen: And so we click on that.

489
01:02:26.790 --> 01:02:36.060
Michael Jensen: And this will bring us to the city's planning department page and it will have the case number when it was filed the data was assigned.

490
01:02:37.050 --> 01:02:48.240
Michael Jensen: into cannon is the staff members she's signed a lot of Venice staff it'll give you a project description this, by the way, is the case description that I use on the staff report.

491
01:02:49.080 --> 01:02:51.630
Alix: verbiage, let me just interrupt you, for a second, and that is the.

492
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Alix: One that I use on the agendas as well too I just mchale will you go back to the case Members for a second because I just want to point two things out.

493
01:03:01.890 --> 01:03:06.120
Alix: yep sorry so sometimes you will see.

494
01:03:07.410 --> 01:03:11.730
Alix: Like two different things so you'll see you'll see Dr.

495
01:03:13.950 --> 01:03:20.610
Alix: Okay, so that'll tell us that it's that it's this year and that's a number that then look down you'll see end of 2021 CPC.

496
01:03:21.900 --> 01:03:37.890
Alix: Right, it will be envy because it's a 2021 is likely part of this as well, too, so that gets agenda is on the report as well, too, so that we have the accurate numbers for the case sorry to interrupt, I just wanted to make sure everyone was aware of that.

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Michael Jensen: And usually, by the way, those all come up here when you.

498
01:03:43.860 --> 01:03:46.140
Michael Jensen: On the planning website usually.

499
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.540
Alix: Being the operative word yeah.

500
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Michael Jensen: So um.

501
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Michael Jensen: So that's how you get to.

502
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Alix: make one last thing sorry i've been in cases where.

503
01:03:58.740 --> 01:04:08.610
Alix: staff assigned is one thing on one part of the number and it's another thing, on the other part of the number or some kind of staff changes along the way, so you will frequently hear me ask and say.

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Alix: Who is staff on this just to double check it's I think it's always helpful to ask who the staff is on the case and if you have questions about it or it's something that you think is complicated.

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01:04:21.090 --> 01:04:29.310
Alix: You know all of the people at West la are very, very helpful feel free to reach out to them, I know I speak to them on a fairly regular basis.

506
01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:40.920
Alix: And Jason Douglas, who is the planner and bonds office is also incredibly helpful and incredibly knowledgeable and a resource and always willing to sort of be useful, with his time starting to fall gone.

507
01:04:41.640 --> 01:04:43.950
Michael Jensen: No that's great um so.

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Michael Jensen: Where was I oh Okay, so if you want to find the documents you know we talked about the documents that are submitted to planning and making sure that those are the ones that were seeing when they come before us, this is where I get the exact same.

509
01:05:03.900 --> 01:05:04.830
Michael Jensen: documents.

510
01:05:06.420 --> 01:05:09.600
Michael Jensen: All right here the this movie.

511
01:05:11.160 --> 01:05:16.050
Michael Jensen: So here it'll have the project plans boom, you can download the same exact plans.

512
01:05:17.160 --> 01:05:25.620
Michael Jensen: you'll have you can actually pull the application if if you're in a situation where you don't necessarily know who you're you need to contact, although usually.

513
01:05:26.340 --> 01:05:36.630
Michael Jensen: leaks does usually either put you on an email with them or give give you a phone number for the representative, but you'll find on this application so I need to move this window again.

514
01:05:37.770 --> 01:05:41.880
Michael Jensen: That the contact information you'll see right here.

515
01:05:42.930 --> 01:05:44.070
Michael Jensen: Leslie the architect.

516
01:05:45.420 --> 01:05:45.870
Michael Jensen: Dana.

517
01:05:47.430 --> 01:05:52.650
Michael Jensen: The manager or the sorry and I don't remember what your title was, but she said at 45.

518
01:05:54.060 --> 01:05:54.630
Michael Jensen: and

519
01:05:56.670 --> 01:06:06.300
Michael Jensen: And then, also the property owners to sign a document they usually you all usually you won't be dealing with the property owner actually it's great when you do because it's like the person who's.

520
01:06:06.870 --> 01:06:12.090
Michael Jensen: doing the work is actually the person who owns the property it's nice to see, but this is a total.

521
01:06:13.110 --> 01:06:14.550
Michael Jensen: Total just commentary on that.

522
01:06:16.830 --> 01:06:23.760
Michael Jensen: And so that's really you know I download all of these things, I will put them in a folder you can see.

523
01:06:24.990 --> 01:06:29.160
Michael Jensen: This is, you know I put all of their stuff in in into.

524
01:06:30.300 --> 01:06:38.760
Michael Jensen: What I eventually link in my staff report here as supporting documents, so when you click on this, I mean this is not.

525
01:06:40.020 --> 01:06:47.640
Michael Jensen: This is not sufficient for public notice, but I just find it to be very helpful that when people pull a staff report, they can.

526
01:06:48.900 --> 01:06:51.450
Michael Jensen: You know, get all the documents directly from that.

527
01:06:52.710 --> 01:06:55.110
Michael Jensen: I also did for this one poll the.

528
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.030
Michael Jensen: The CB so back when I was talking about the.

529
01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:02.670
Michael Jensen: grandfathered parking rights.

530
01:07:03.810 --> 01:07:26.280
Michael Jensen: I went through the alcohol permit that was granted back in 2008 to the French market and found where they had the amount of parking that was required for it and that's how I confirmed that there were indeed 30 spaces, that was sufficient for the use of the whole building and.

531
01:07:28.470 --> 01:07:31.800
Michael Jensen: You know there's there's a couple different ways to do that, you can also look at.

532
01:07:33.450 --> 01:07:41.850
Michael Jensen: The la dbs building records and see the certificate of occupancy if it's something that was issued recently it'll have a.

533
01:07:44.010 --> 01:07:48.360
Michael Jensen: it'll have a parking a number of parking spaces on it so.

534
01:07:49.980 --> 01:07:54.450
Michael Jensen: yeah that's a I guess quick and quick and dirty way of how I get to.

535
01:07:55.470 --> 01:08:03.720
Michael Jensen: Getting all the data points that you would need to build your staff report and after that I go to.

536
01:08:05.130 --> 01:08:15.900
Michael Jensen: Usually I do this dashboard ahead of time, then I attend the Community outreach meeting that was actually not the case this time because of just timing, so I i've drafted the staff report afterwards.

537
01:08:17.460 --> 01:08:29.100
Michael Jensen: And I make notes about the Community and put at the at the meeting any kinds of responses from the applicant, and then we go, you know set them for hearing.

538
01:08:30.570 --> 01:08:31.200
Michael Jensen: that our committee.

539
01:08:31.680 --> 01:08:42.540
Alix: So, and there are a couple things to to look out for as your as you're going through the process, so if you see me l which stands for mellow um.

540
01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:57.840
Alix: You know the city will not consider a case complete without a mellow determination we don't want to hear projects, unless they have their mellow determination, sometimes their projects that are on hold we're not going to hear projects that are on hold.

541
01:09:00.360 --> 01:09:04.290
Alix: If you see CA that's the zoning adjustment.

542
01:09:05.430 --> 01:09:15.750
Alix: See is a categorical is exemption so when you start seeing things like that their their chances are they're going to come before Lou pack, and there may be.

543
01:09:16.110 --> 01:09:31.110
Alix: There may or may not be like concerns to the Community, we will hear every CV we will hear every commercial project I think that's really important for the Community to hear those sorts of things um.

544
01:09:32.730 --> 01:09:38.760
Alix: I guess, we should backtrack up to the cmc reports which are the city early notification planning reports.

545
01:09:40.020 --> 01:09:43.530
Alix: Which is, which is the genesis of where this is coming from so.

546
01:09:44.400 --> 01:09:56.880
Alix: When I took over Lou peck last term from matt Royce matt basically was like you know it's up to your discretion as to what project, you want to hear put are here on the agenda.

547
01:09:57.510 --> 01:10:07.650
Alix: And Jim and I had conversations early on, and he said, you know, we should really notice all the projects that have been filed for Venice.

548
01:10:08.610 --> 01:10:22.830
Alix: So that the it's on the agenda it's in public record and that way, if someone says well why didn't you hear this, we can say Okay, but this was on the agenda on xyz date and nobody came in and said, we want to hear this project.

549
01:10:23.970 --> 01:10:38.340
Alix: So it will be a combination of what the public wants and anything that I deem is like big enough or has enough issues in it that I think we should here and, as I said, all commercial and all alcohol permits go on and.

550
01:10:39.390 --> 01:10:48.270
Alix: I asked the city to send the cnc reports to everybody on loop heck I don't know why that's not happening, you can go to the planning department and ask for them.

551
01:10:48.600 --> 01:10:58.590
Alix: I will also start forwarding everybody the cnc reports so you can see them yourselves they used to do them just by district now you get every project that's been filed in the city of La.

552
01:10:59.490 --> 01:11:11.280
Alix: So obviously we just put the ones in that are pertinent to Venice and you will see the project description and when it was filed and oftentimes who the REP is so that is why that's going on the agenda.

553
01:11:12.270 --> 01:11:26.070
Alix: If anyone had questions about that, and how will start assigning out projects, so I know there's been a lot of information does any Corinne and christopher's do you guys have questions so far.

554
01:11:27.900 --> 01:11:28.800
corinne Baginski: i'm good Thank you.

555
01:11:29.250 --> 01:11:30.360
Alix: you're good Chris.

556
01:11:31.470 --> 01:11:43.380
Chris Plourde: i'm going to have internal questions that I don't think or i'd love to is as much kyle am I going to shadow Mikhail on a case.

557
01:11:43.620 --> 01:11:44.040
Alix: You I.

558
01:11:44.100 --> 01:11:50.610
Michael Jensen: think we just yet, I think there's a case we just got assigned, and so I will.

559
01:11:51.750 --> 01:11:54.990
Michael Jensen: include you on the email to them and.

560
01:11:56.280 --> 01:11:56.640
Michael Jensen: and

561
01:11:57.660 --> 01:11:58.860
Michael Jensen: You know we'll work through it together.

562
01:11:59.370 --> 01:12:00.090
Alix: And Corinne.

563
01:12:00.120 --> 01:12:01.830
Chris Plourde: I have one for you and excellent.

564
01:12:02.490 --> 01:12:03.180
Alix: and renewed.

565
01:12:03.570 --> 01:12:16.800
Alix: I think, Mikhail you one with lauren renew she'll probably give you one with lauren and i'm working on one with Andrew right now so and i'm sure when that surfaces will bring matt on to work with some of you guys as well to.

566
01:12:18.330 --> 01:12:20.400
Mehrnoosh: Be to repeat that sorry.

567
01:12:21.240 --> 01:12:22.740
corinne Baginski: yeah you're breaking up.

568
01:12:23.220 --> 01:12:23.940
Alix: i'm breaking up.

569
01:12:26.580 --> 01:12:27.720
Mehrnoosh: No, I just want to hear that.

570
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:28.680
corinne Baginski: Again, so okay.

571
01:12:29.730 --> 01:12:33.180
Alix: Internet connection is not stable um.

572
01:12:33.570 --> 01:12:36.150
Michael Jensen: I said that I must be no no.

573
01:12:37.170 --> 01:12:38.730
Mehrnoosh: No, no i'm good.

574
01:12:39.060 --> 01:12:39.810
Alix: i'm good I was going to.

575
01:12:40.770 --> 01:12:47.910
Alix: hell is working with Chris and I think lauren on something Korean I have you working on with something on Barry minutiae i'll have you work.

576
01:12:48.570 --> 01:12:56.730
Alix: As well with someone also i'm working on something with Andrew at the moment, and when that resurfaces i'm sure we'll bring him on to work with someone as well to.

577
01:12:59.550 --> 01:12:59.940
Chris Plourde: Any.

578
01:13:00.480 --> 01:13:01.920
Alix: additional questions on that.

579
01:13:02.970 --> 01:13:05.190
Chris Plourde: No cuz I can get into the weeds later.

580
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:06.810
Alix: Okay, then.

581
01:13:06.990 --> 01:13:07.710
Michael Jensen: we'll get into that.

582
01:13:07.740 --> 01:13:09.150
Michael Jensen: we'll get into the weeds Chris.

583
01:13:10.830 --> 01:13:13.650
Alix: there's lots of leads to get into um.

584
01:13:16.950 --> 01:13:34.290
Alix: Okay, moving on just so you understand about posting agendas and my timelines for posting so our meetings are on Thursdays, and that means my agenda is new to be posted and noticed by Monday so.

585
01:13:34.860 --> 01:13:41.820
Alix: You know we're all super busy, but it means that I really need all relevant documents and materials.

586
01:13:43.050 --> 01:13:55.800
Alix: By Friday or to know like if everyone's able to attend and like Sunday morning at the very latest because schedule permitting I generally finalize agendas on Sundays, so they can either be posted on Sunday.

587
01:13:56.130 --> 01:14:04.620
Alix: or first thing on Monday and, if I can get them up earlier, I can but we've you know yet to be able to get this done so.

588
01:14:05.910 --> 01:14:08.340
Alix: When I send those emails out, it would be very helpful.

589
01:14:08.370 --> 01:14:18.570
Alix: it's not like being badly could send me something on Wednesday and say Oh, can you get this posted that's not going to work i'm macallan renews.

590
01:14:20.010 --> 01:14:26.940
Alix: We had a situation and I know mchale you and myself and TIM and death dealt with this a lot last last.

591
01:14:27.630 --> 01:14:34.590
Alix: term and we made the decision that we were not going to act as an advisory board and your projects before they were filed in the city within the city.

592
01:14:35.580 --> 01:14:42.840
Alix: We had someone reach out on a project that was not yet filed with the city and they wanted to come before Luke peck first.

593
01:14:43.650 --> 01:14:55.140
Alix: gym seems to feel that we should be doing that I, I think we need to stick with precedent that we shouldn't be doing that, but I want to hear more news your opinion mchale your opinion, etc, etc.

594
01:14:55.740 --> 01:15:00.120
Michael Jensen: I guess, I remember, we did that with I want to say was Winston house.

595
01:15:01.020 --> 01:15:01.770
Michael Jensen: And we didn't speak.

596
01:15:02.550 --> 01:15:05.670
Alix: Because they had thought they had sent in their planning application.

597
01:15:05.700 --> 01:15:06.300
Michael Jensen: Already.

598
01:15:06.600 --> 01:15:07.860
Michael Jensen: But didn't have a case number.

599
01:15:08.040 --> 01:15:09.600
Alix: Correct correct.

600
01:15:09.660 --> 01:15:17.880
Michael Jensen: So, which is sort of effectively the same thing, because you can't go to the planning department and pulled a case number, but are not effectively effects.

601
01:15:17.940 --> 01:15:18.570
Alix: But they were.

602
01:15:18.870 --> 01:15:27.330
Alix: going to get the case number they weren't they were like they were not looking like they were not looking to make changes or get our opinion they wanted to move the process along.

603
01:15:28.080 --> 01:15:45.720
Michael Jensen: yeah I mean, I guess, where I mean where I can understand as an applicant you'd want to do that, because if you're trying to file something and test the waters or are you trying to test the waters before you file, something that may cost a boatload of money to file.

604
01:15:47.250 --> 01:15:51.570
Michael Jensen: I can see it, I mean the the I guess the question is like bandwidth.

605
01:15:53.220 --> 01:15:53.880
Michael Jensen: You know, we had.

606
01:15:54.840 --> 01:16:01.710
Michael Jensen: We I mean we had one one case tonight like we could have heard someone who wanted to present a concept.

607
01:16:02.250 --> 01:16:15.990
Michael Jensen: and come back with an it, you know basically just have a presentation like we had tonight we have the bandwidth in two months, we may not because there's 17 pending out like I don't know what the I don't know what the pipeline of cases is.

608
01:16:17.460 --> 01:16:17.880
Michael Jensen: You know.

609
01:16:20.100 --> 01:16:24.330
Michael Jensen: So I guess it's a question of you know, do we want to spend the time on that.

610
01:16:27.780 --> 01:16:38.340
Michael Jensen: To approve something that or support something that may not actually see its way through planning does seem like a waste of time for volunteers to be doing, you know I can go either way on that, but.

611
01:16:39.360 --> 01:16:50.490
Alix: I mean I yeah i'm just pointing out that we took a pretty strong position on that in our last in our last term, and you know, Tim took a really strong pov on that.

612
01:16:52.020 --> 01:16:52.620
Alix: I tend.

613
01:16:52.650 --> 01:17:10.500
Alix: to feel that you know we can certainly you know, have a staff member talk to the applicant is adhere it out and say you know I suggest you do some Community outreach you know if you think they're going to be some issues, but I I don't think it's a productive use of our time.

614
01:17:10.980 --> 01:17:14.730
Mehrnoosh: that's my thing we should, I think we should go with the filing I agree with.

615
01:17:15.720 --> 01:17:18.690
Michael Jensen: yeah I mean I think that's fine to to.

616
01:17:20.730 --> 01:17:22.710
Michael Jensen: stay with tradition.

617
01:17:24.150 --> 01:17:25.590
Michael Jensen: On precedent yeah.

618
01:17:26.190 --> 01:17:27.810
Mehrnoosh: Anyway, okay.

619
01:17:28.950 --> 01:17:31.830
Alix: Corinne i'm Chris any questions.

620
01:17:35.250 --> 01:17:35.640
corinne Baginski: No.

621
01:17:39.330 --> 01:17:39.660
Michael Jensen: Go ahead.

622
01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:55.440
corinne Baginski: yeah is it okay well we're working on on on the project to communicate with somebody else like let's see if I need to talk to her no show or mchale because I need an answer, or you um.

623
01:17:56.190 --> 01:17:57.690
Alix: So here's when I actually.

624
01:17:58.230 --> 01:18:13.530
Alix: So here's what I would say to that i'm going to answer that very quickly one, I would like to stay copied on the correspondence, because I like to follow the bouncing balls but you can't if, once you speak to three I believe it's three.

625
01:18:14.700 --> 01:18:26.280
Alix: Three Lou pack Members, you are an angel while you're shadowing only talk with the person you're shadowing so if you're working very on something.

626
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:38.580
Alix: only speak to Barry on it Okay, and if you are, and then, once you're no longer shadowing I should be the one poppy did on to everything so that I can follow the bouncing balls.

627
01:18:39.150 --> 01:18:44.490
Alix: Because the applicants always come and ask me questions regardless, so if i'm like lost in the weeds it's very hard for me.

628
01:18:44.760 --> 01:18:58.380
Alix: But for brown act purposes, you can't start a conversation with Barry on the project and then go to Macau on a project because barry's not you know very son's birthday and he's not available, like that's where we're going to run into problems.

629
01:19:00.270 --> 01:19:02.940
Does that answer the question, yes yeah.

630
01:19:04.020 --> 01:19:18.600
Michael Jensen: Thank you, I think, can we can we I guess refine what we were talking about violate you know the brown act and sunshine laws and what it means to violate it we're talking about like the merits of the case.

631
01:19:19.620 --> 01:19:27.000
Michael Jensen: Not scheduling not process questions but, like the merits of a case that is before us.

632
01:19:28.320 --> 01:19:29.370
Michael Jensen: So if you're.

633
01:19:31.080 --> 01:19:36.690
Michael Jensen: You know you can't be you know saying oh this case is terrible or this case is great with.

634
01:19:38.520 --> 01:19:49.380
Michael Jensen: You know what would be I guess it's three because it's a quorum what would be a majority of a quorum which, for us, since it's a nine Member board five is a quorum three as a majority.

635
01:19:50.640 --> 01:19:52.890
Michael Jensen: The rule of three for our Community.

636
01:19:54.810 --> 01:20:10.140
Alix: But I just think I kill for clarity purpose, like, I think you start getting into the weeds if, like you know it's fine for you to have one person assigned to you and that person should be dealing with you, not with two other people or one other person.

637
01:20:10.410 --> 01:20:16.830
Alix: Even if it's just very technical questions like I you know I don't want to get into the weeds with that so.

638
01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:24.210
Alix: To be clear, once you're working on a project just with the just with the person who you're shadowing.

639
01:20:25.530 --> 01:20:27.990
Alix: Until you're on your own, and then it will be with me.

640
01:20:31.230 --> 01:20:31.650
Alix: Yes.

641
01:20:33.750 --> 01:20:34.530
Chris Plourde: i'm fine.

642
01:20:36.180 --> 01:20:43.920
Michael Jensen: yeah and I think it's okay to not know I mean here's an example, like some of these parking calculations are incredibly.

643
01:20:46.320 --> 01:20:51.150
Michael Jensen: Like you want to hit your head against the wall trying to figure it out when, especially when there's like.

644
01:20:52.620 --> 01:21:00.750
Michael Jensen: grandfathered rights and then you're trying to figure out what the credit is and what the delta between what they need, and what they are bringing like.

645
01:21:01.920 --> 01:21:09.420
Michael Jensen: If you don't know you can you can I think it's okay to say you don't know and as a committee at the hearing we can figure out whether it's.

646
01:21:10.890 --> 01:21:22.890
Michael Jensen: Whether it's correct, I mean leaks tell me if i'm wrong here, but rather than you know, trying to suss out the answer through through other committee members, you know, take a stab at it if it's wrong it's wrong.

647
01:21:24.090 --> 01:21:26.040
Michael Jensen: Or if you don't know you don't know you.

648
01:21:26.640 --> 01:21:34.380
Mehrnoosh: Really parking and you just have to go through the zoning procedures and specific plan trying to put that together, as you do.

649
01:21:34.620 --> 01:21:45.480
Alix: Right, but I mean look things are changing on a regular basis, so, for example, we have sb 330 right now and sb 30 is one on one replacement for for.

650
01:21:45.900 --> 01:21:56.220
Alix: and relocation for for affordable housing, but the way our city attorney has interpreted it is that it's not additive, meaning that if you have.

651
01:21:57.150 --> 01:22:02.190
Alix: Nine units of rsl housing and the developer comes in and demolishes that building.

652
01:22:02.700 --> 01:22:20.040
Alix: To to build a bigger building with tlc and density bonuses and they're going to call and they're going to put in 100 units and they're going to claim we've met our requirements by replacing with nine technically, and this is probably what's coming down the pipeline is that.

653
01:22:21.120 --> 01:22:32.490
Alix: it's not going to be nine it's going to be 10 plus nine it's going to be 10% of all of the units, plus the ones that you're replacing otherwise you're not really adding additional affordable house it.

654
01:22:33.150 --> 01:22:40.410
Alix: Now, this has been up for interpretation so to the question of we don't always know the answers we don't always know the answers and it's always evolving.

655
01:22:41.310 --> 01:22:52.680
Alix: I had a conversation with an applicant last week, and he put in an key put in an application for a house with an ad you in the oakwood region.

656
01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:59.430
Alix: and was told by planning that he couldn't do that because it's come down from coastal Commission that coastal doesn't want to see.

657
01:22:59.730 --> 01:23:12.480
Alix: any more of these houses with ad use in in the oakland area now, this was news to me, and he said I don't want us and i've submitted it now is to single family houses, but this changes the parking it's a problem.

658
01:23:13.140 --> 01:23:30.600
Alix: i'd never heard of this before i've now called Jason I call out to coastal i've called some land use people to hear what they know and try and like get the answer to this, so we don't always know the answer to things it's fluid right and laws are changing so.

659
01:23:33.570 --> 01:23:34.740
Alix: there's my answer on that.

660
01:23:36.570 --> 01:23:36.840
Michael Jensen: and

661
01:23:38.790 --> 01:23:40.860
Michael Jensen: he's i've been here is, I see his name.

662
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:42.090
yeah.

663
01:23:44.700 --> 01:23:51.240
Michael Jensen: But I guess a couple of questions for him from it from me is so agenda has to go.

664
01:23:53.310 --> 01:24:00.090
Michael Jensen: go up 72 hours ahead are we taking a are we putting a deadline on staff reports at the committee level.

665
01:24:01.710 --> 01:24:02.130
Michael Jensen: Like.

666
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:12.900
Michael Jensen: Should they be up 72 like do you want them the same Sunday that you get all the materials kind of staff report follow is there a.

667
01:24:13.650 --> 01:24:26.190
Michael Jensen: Are we setting a hard fast rule for that, because I mean in the past we've done it anywhere from 72 hours to like I mean some staff reports have gone up the same day as as the case is there a rule on that.

668
01:24:28.470 --> 01:24:28.800
Alix: I have in.

669
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:30.240
Ivan: me.

670
01:24:31.200 --> 01:24:39.300
Ivan: is quite a nice thing that the committee has any documents, need to be made available to the public.

671
01:24:43.170 --> 01:24:52.740
Ivan: So if you have a staff record that didn't go to committee, it really should get posted with the agenda or posters in the den them on the website.

672
01:24:53.280 --> 01:25:03.570
Ivan: Somewhere that the public and see at the same time, we used to have to make copies for the when the meetings will arrive you start to have copies that a lot of needing.

673
01:25:04.620 --> 01:25:07.290
Ivan: to the public, but now you can just do it online.

674
01:25:09.240 --> 01:25:10.470
Ivan: Does that make sense.

675
01:25:14.250 --> 01:25:17.820
Michael Jensen: yeah so Hello me to our rule applies also to to stop.

676
01:25:18.060 --> 01:25:29.280
Ivan: yeah to things like staff report plan and each thing that the committee is given you know, to help make the determination, the public has a right to see that.

677
01:25:30.360 --> 01:25:35.610
Alix: Many get something 48 hours before the meeting and not 72 hours like.

678
01:25:36.240 --> 01:25:38.130
Ivan: Okay, well, we.

679
01:25:38.820 --> 01:25:39.780
Alix: 72 hours.

680
01:25:39.810 --> 01:25:40.740
Ivan: If we don't have it.

681
01:25:40.830 --> 01:25:46.710
Ivan: You can't post it, but you should try to tell your people to get it to you before you have the boat.

682
01:25:46.890 --> 01:25:48.030
Ivan: The one without saying oh.

683
01:25:48.390 --> 01:25:59.040
Alix: So I think the cal to answer this question on the honor system, I would like to try and get our staff reports in in advance, so that we have everything in place.

684
01:25:59.370 --> 01:26:15.060
Alix: I understand that life happens and often and there's an outreach meeting or something else you know the staff report comes in a day later, but I think we should make best efforts to have those staff reports come in with all the other.

685
01:26:16.680 --> 01:26:18.120
Alix: With all the other materials.

686
01:26:21.090 --> 01:26:27.210
Alix: And and i'm not putting a hard and fast on this because we're all volunteers and we're all trying to do.

687
01:26:28.500 --> 01:26:32.610
Alix: The absolute best that we possibly can, and.

688
01:26:34.440 --> 01:26:38.580
Alix: You know, but I think i'd like to say, can we all make best efforts to do this.

689
01:26:39.210 --> 01:26:51.900
Michael Jensen: yeah I mean also like the staff report, like the one that I do before our committee meeting as a draft it then evolves based on the committee meeting and I guess like tonight we'll have some corrections in it.

690
01:26:53.460 --> 01:26:56.550
Michael Jensen: Like for the parking spaces, that I miss identified but.

691
01:26:58.890 --> 01:27:02.100
Michael Jensen: You know, I guess, a draft report can go up on.

692
01:27:04.080 --> 01:27:06.360
Michael Jensen: Monday or Sunday whenever you post it.

693
01:27:06.360 --> 01:27:06.870
Ivan: yeah just.

694
01:27:07.680 --> 01:27:10.170
Michael Jensen: Water more of them, it can be revised.

695
01:27:12.270 --> 01:27:14.550
Ivan: Do you know how to put a watermark on a document.

696
01:27:15.060 --> 01:27:15.450
Alix: It doesn't.

697
01:27:15.990 --> 01:27:16.290
Michael Jensen: work.

698
01:27:17.010 --> 01:27:18.090
Yes, I do if.

699
01:27:19.140 --> 01:27:22.200
Michael Jensen: I all of my staff reports say draft and find no.

700
01:27:22.980 --> 01:27:25.170
Ivan: Okay, then then you're covered yeah.

701
01:27:27.690 --> 01:27:30.360
Alix: All right, any additional questions on that.

702
01:27:32.580 --> 01:27:34.440
Alix: Green Chris.

703
01:27:37.350 --> 01:27:37.770
Alix: Now.

704
01:27:40.470 --> 01:27:41.040
Chris Plourde: No.

705
01:27:43.950 --> 01:27:45.420
Alix: No additional questions okay.

706
01:27:46.650 --> 01:28:03.270
Alix: final thing are that you guys should all be aware of is that that is neighborhood Council is part of the West side regional association of Councils and the West side regional association of Councils has different committees, just like.

707
01:28:04.500 --> 01:28:12.360
Alix: The dnc does just like many of the boards do the neighborhood Council system and they work on issues that are more.

708
01:28:13.500 --> 01:28:16.320
Alix: Regional regionally based so.

709
01:28:17.370 --> 01:28:33.480
Alix: Where i'm where she's originally based I urge everybody to go into the rock website, I will start distributed when we have those meetings so anyone who wants to attend kind of time minutiae times quite a bit cream, was it the last one to super smart group of people.

710
01:28:34.800 --> 01:28:43.980
Alix: On Sunday, we had an hour half presentation on sustainable building standards it's fascinating I learned a lot, including even new materials that are coming down the pipeline and.

711
01:28:44.310 --> 01:28:54.450
Alix: different ways communities are looking to me a car free world, but that's still understands people need cars different sustainable practices anyway.

712
01:28:55.590 --> 01:29:05.430
Alix: Interesting speakers calm it's the first Sunday of every month, I urge you to go, I urge you to look at the emotions that are there, I urge you to read the supporting materials that are there and get familiar with these.

713
01:29:06.210 --> 01:29:12.990
Alix: motions and with these policies, because we think it's just about Venice, but there are much broader.

714
01:29:14.010 --> 01:29:18.780
Alix: Issues that impact all of CD 11 and actually all of California state.

715
01:29:20.460 --> 01:29:24.240
Alix: Which brings me to the next thing, which is the.

716
01:29:25.290 --> 01:29:32.250
Alix: Local coastal plan, update and the Community plan land use plan update.

717
01:29:32.250 --> 01:29:35.130
Michael Jensen: Can I ask you a question about rock yeah we're we.

718
01:29:36.300 --> 01:29:36.450
Michael Jensen: Are.

719
01:29:37.590 --> 01:29:38.700
Michael Jensen: Two questions one.

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Michael Jensen: Does rack present if our entire lupa committee shows up to it does that present a brown act issue.

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Michael Jensen: Because it's if we have three Committee members there on a you know motion that comes then to loop heck.

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Michael Jensen: Is that an issue, and then to on these rack motions which it I just i've said this a lot just lack I mean I know you send links to background information from rack but treating rack like.

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Michael Jensen: You know any other kind of case that comes before us.

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Michael Jensen: You know, can we have a staff member assigned to preparing a.

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Michael Jensen: Report from our Committee on what something is and what the background is rather than just relying on.

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Michael Jensen: Someone who's you know from a different and see who's appointed to rack who's writing I mean most of their background materials are arguments in favor of the motion, not a.

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Michael Jensen: You know.

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Michael Jensen: Analysis of it.

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Alix: Okay i've been to the first part of that question, do you know the answer to that question.

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Ivan: yeah i'm pretty sure that racket is not brown acted it's not a brown acted body.

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Ivan: Okay So yes, I would think any number can go it's just I wouldn't go with the team and all start talking at once, you know i'm saying.

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Alix: That that makes sense and just to you know for everyone here i'm rap requires that you identify yourself at the meeting so.

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Alix: They you know they see new names and new faces, they will ask who are you and where are you from um you know that's that's their operating procedure right like I don't have.

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Ivan: yeah.

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Ivan: Okay, can I, this is going back a little bit from to previous discussion about the majority of the quorum.

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Ivan: And everything correct, you do have to worry about the majority of the park talking to other people on the committee, but we have resources.

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Ivan: of people that have been on looping over the years that are still we're still in touch with like our current President and Vice President and talking to them, if you have questions.

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Ivan: I want to bounce things off of you can certainly talk to them.

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Alix: Respect for me I then i'm going to stop you right there.

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Ivan: I want to be very clear about that.

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Alix: We have no board members on lip huck except the Chair of.

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lupa.

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Ivan: Saying stop.

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Alix: i'm going to i'm going to interject on this, because there is a separation between the board and Lou Pack and I recognize the daffodil and Jim we're both on Lou peck those are not the resources that should be used for loop huck.

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Alix: Question there they're not if people.

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01:33:02.760 --> 01:33:03.090
Ivan: Are the.

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01:33:03.330 --> 01:33:03.990
Alix: first letter.

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Ivan: Over.

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Ivan: here to that aren't on the board i'm.

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Ivan: Trying to give you a resource.

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Alix: For me to do, and I think it's adequate for any of our current live members to you know to be able to shadow one on one and i'm happy to refer to to pass Lou pack members.

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Alix: You know who are prepared to get involved or people in the Community.

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Alix: To speak to and their and their land use consultants that are also very helpful, but I that but going to the President and the Vice President.

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01:33:38.190 --> 01:33:45.630
Alix: On the board, who have to vote on these issues is not a good way to go about this, so I would ask that you please don't.

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Alix: Please strike ivan's recommendation and if you're not getting what you need from either myself or the current members, then please reach out to me and we'll find other resources.

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Alix: Sorry, I didn't.

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Ivan: write.

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Alix: um is that clear to everyone.

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01:34:11.010 --> 01:34:17.430
Alix: um anyway, Mikhail so that answers your question on forum at rack um.

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01:34:18.270 --> 01:34:27.030
Alix: You know I I tend to disagree with you, I think that the the Rack motions with their with their background information.

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01:34:27.330 --> 01:34:38.460
Alix: is sufficiently adequate and it's adequate for the raft board and it's adequate for the majority of Councils within rack to make decisions on these motions in these on these issues.

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Alix: So I don't know why it's so complicated to read something and decide and make an opinion or have a conversation while we're at committee.

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Alix: The last motion that we had was simply to ask Mike your to provide a legal analysis on something I don't I don't understand what the there was a there was a background document on it, it wasn't even digging into the weeds on a policy.

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Alix: So if we can't read and we can't have have conversation, as a committee, and make a decision whether we want to support a motion or not I don't think we're doing our jobs.

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Michael Jensen: I don't want to get into the merits of cases that are I mean we're we're not we have an agenda is on the of these like big ticket sb 330 i'll up.

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Michael Jensen: Whatever the item was from last week from Rack, so I don't want to get into the specifics of any one case.

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01:35:36.270 --> 01:35:43.020
Michael Jensen: But, but I just think you know conceptually we are taking at face value.

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Michael Jensen: What I see, is it like like the example I would use is like a project proponent who's bringing to bring us a you know any other case and.

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Michael Jensen: They give us background material on it, which is the the plans they usually have proposed findings all the stuff from the planning file and we don't look to that alone for informing our decision.

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Michael Jensen: So with something like rack which.

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Michael Jensen: has a different set of priorities than I think you know I recognize there are regional issues and statewide issues and all that but rack really resemble or represents a not necessarily coextensive set of priorities.

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Michael Jensen: As we do.

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Michael Jensen: we're a very different Community than most, if not all of the other.

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Michael Jensen: Community and neighborhood Councils that comprise rack so that's why I just think having a stakeholder of event a stakeholder take a look at what rack is you know, taking a look at what they're presenting.

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Michael Jensen: and diving in to what it is because I mean the usually what rack is presenting is a complex large issue and it's accompanied by you know, a one page.

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Michael Jensen: summary which is, it is a viewpoint but it's not necessarily an Objective one, nor one that is that everyone in Venice necessarily agrees with so that's my two cents on it, I know we've had an extensive email dialogue about it.

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Michael Jensen: I just you know that's that's my feeling.

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Alix: So i'm gonna speak to that for a second I went to almost every new tech meeting, where there was in fact ocean on when matt was President, and you were there and I never once heard this brought up and I never once saw a.

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Alix: Job actually there was one where there was a document that was put forth and actually opposing the rock position and proposing the opposite of the Rock position.

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Alix: And all those notions somehow do peck managed to weigh in on without any background information or any staff report, so I think that the the the information with with links to bills and Council files and analysis.

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Alix: is adequate, but I will review and see if there needs to be additional information.

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Alix: put forth, and I think we're all capable of reading and having a conversation and making the decision, if we want to accept an emotion from wrath or not um.

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Michael Jensen: Either way, it may very well have been the case back then, and I think it was wrong them, and you know, I think, as this committee evolves to function better, I think this is one of the things that we should adopt, and I mean I don't know.

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Michael Jensen: That many years ago, I was fairly new to the committee, you know at this point, I feel like I have a lay of the land now, and you know this is just how I know how my views have evolved.

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Michael Jensen: So yeah I mean if that was the case back then I don't think I think that was wrong them.

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Alix: noted um.

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Alix: I would urge everyone to attend a meeting or two and I try and send out a variety of different articles and and Council files, I would urge everybody to.

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Alix: To look into them, I would urge everybody to go to the La sustainability alliance and look into the how resend it out again to look into the document that was.

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Alix: discussed and it's a working document to add to on sustainable building goals, I would say the really positive takeaway that I can share with everyone on that is that.

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Alix: The group working on this and the and the neighborhood councils are actually more interested and will accelerate maybe.

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01:39:56.160 --> 01:40:12.390
Alix: Maybe Corinne will agree with me on this accelerate how to meet the green goals for la more so than what the city is doing and I think that's a really emotional second that she was there I think that's a really positive achievement our planets on fire.

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Alix: anything to say on that British.

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Mehrnoosh: I yeah I agree i'm still still waiting to get that report and read more detail.

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Mehrnoosh: It was interesting that last time.

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Alix: And mchale.

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Alix: Just sustainability mchale and I see Jim on the call to just so you all know, this is a working document so if there are additional suggestions to go into this document, they can be sent out.

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Alix: To people so.

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Alix: that's that's just worth noting, I would imagine like despite our different points of views on on land use, I think we're all in consensus that we need to work towards a more sustainable future for.

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Michael Jensen: No, no argument there.

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01:41:01.020 --> 01:41:01.620
Alix: No, though.

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Mehrnoosh: So.

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Alix: So yeah it's really interesting and, by the way, a really interesting conversation about new building materials.

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Alix: That had been used in Europe for six or seven years and they're just getting approved here that are fully sustainable and fireproof so that was really exciting.

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Alix: To start to be such a geek about this stuff and, lastly, one of the things we need to get into this this the next you know couple of months is our land use and our LCP Sir, I think I mentioned this, our LCP and our civic plan in our Community plan update.

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Alix: it's a little bit of a convoluted process at the moment and I would welcome if everybody would think about this and think about how we best see fit to to.

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01:41:52.290 --> 01:42:13.020
Alix: work through this i've talked to some of the different Community groups and that go from a wide range of wide scope of beliefs, and I think the consensus, I hear is that they don't always feel Lou Pack and the dnc our representative are representing their.

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Alix: The views of the Community are really serving the interests of the Community, so I know there's a multiplicity of thoughts.

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01:42:23.160 --> 01:42:37.110
Alix: in Venice and it's a really difficult task, but I think we do need to figure out how we want to do this, so I welcome and how we really make sure the Community feels included and welcomed in the process, so I would love it everybody.

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Alix: um reached out.

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01:42:46.200 --> 01:42:51.060
Alix: Anything else Chris and Corinne any questions on.

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Alix: process procedure moving forward.

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01:42:58.080 --> 01:43:00.600
Alix: Are we clear on like the new format of.

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Alix: motion that I can't move our second motions.

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Chris Plourde: i'm clear on everything and just so we're so we're clear it's not new to me it's all new to me.

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01:43:17.490 --> 01:43:22.320
Chris Plourde: Right so i'm not confused by how we do things.

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01:43:23.580 --> 01:43:31.890
Chris Plourde: anymore that i'm confused by everything, this is the given it's kind of like a smartphone for my niece.

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01:43:33.900 --> 01:43:35.130
Chris Plourde: it's always been there.

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Alix: And I guess one last question does everybody know Jason Douglas and bonbons office know.

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Alix: So.

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Alix: I will send an email introducing everybody to him he's planning and bonds office.

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01:43:51.780 --> 01:44:00.150
Alix: You know, he doesn't you know I wouldn't go at him and bother him with every single like question and complaint, you have but on like high level.

822
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Alix: High Level issues he can be very, very helpful so just know that's out there if you're working with a with a with a planner on a case I do it all the time, you know, and you have a question call the planner email the planner they're always happy to do calls with you and to talk to you.

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Alix: Their emails are always there first name dot last name at La city.org.

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Alix: So that's fairly straightforward.

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Mehrnoosh: looks which is naming and Jason what.

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Alix: Jason Douglas.

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Alix: Douglas okay yeah.

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Alix: You know and and I just want to say, like I know there's been a lot of animosity towards the councilman in the Community and Jason is really a stellar stellar resource and you know I would urge you to put like any biases aside and get to know him.

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Alix: Anything else from anyone.

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Alix: No, no.

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Chris Plourde: Jim jim's hand has been up for the last hour.

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Michael Jensen: Do you need something good.

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james murez: yeah I mean there's a whole bunch of things that were said that are need to be clarified, but I can do that in writing to you, along with the city, if you prefer, I can explain it now.

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Alix: i'm sure Jim go ahead.

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james murez: Okay, so for starters, let me quickly share my screen, so these people have a better understanding of what you're talking about.

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james murez: Can you all see that.

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Alix: Yes.

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james murez: Okay, so that's the cmc report, this is a report that's published by the Department of city planning.

839
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james murez: This report lists all of the cases it's published every two weeks.

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james murez: To to subscribe to it they're not just going to send it to you, although that's what lead leaks alluded to, you have to go to the city planning website, which is planning la city.org and i'll repeat that planning la city.org and you sign up for it it's called early notification it's.

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james murez: All down to a.

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james murez: gym and.

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james murez: Go to the section then Dennis him you're interrupting he said I could speak.

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Alix: Jim just a correction I didn't lose the things would be sent, I said that i've asked and gone to city planning myself to try and add the emails in and haven't successfully been able to do it, but I could send out my own copies of this.

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james murez: you're interrupting you want me to finish your you want it, you want to continue to speak.

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james murez: You got to decide, because i'm happy to write it all up.

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Alix: Please finish Jim.

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Alix: Just don't misquote me.

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james murez: We can go back and listen to the video, if you like, I don't really care.

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01:47:00.540 --> 01:47:11.340
james murez: um the point being that, on the report there's a Council district that's shown right here in this column and there's also an nc.

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james murez: Which at this point, this one right here says it's unknown So these are cases that are unknown they don't know what, but if you if you do a control APP and you type in Venice it brings you right up to.

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james murez: The part where it says Venice and that's right here, Venice neighborhood Council Okay, and this report, which comes out every two weeks has all of the basic information, you need to start a case, if you click on the link that's in here, and you could certainly bring up here.

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james murez: avid Kenny, you could click on that and would bring it up in the browser directly to the city site.

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01:47:46.710 --> 01:47:52.290
james murez: it's really easy to do you want to see the documents that were submitted there over here now if there's no documents that were submitted.

855
01:47:52.830 --> 01:48:04.050
james murez: there's another legal requirement that everybody that sends in the supplies for a project, but one thing that they all have to do is submit a hard copy set.

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01:48:04.530 --> 01:48:14.400
james murez: up all of these documents, so if the city hasn't scanned it yet as soon as the project is entered into the system, meaning as soon as they assign it a case number.

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james murez: They send out to the neighborhood Council a complete copy of all of the documents, the application and any project plans anything that they were anything that was submitted gets sent out to the neighborhood Council ELISE has over 20 of those.

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james murez: In her possession at this time, and this is the actual correct legal copy as far as the planning departments concerned.

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01:48:40.800 --> 01:48:46.890
james murez: This is the official legal set map there's revisions made that's another story, but if you ask the applicant.

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james murez: For a copy of the drawings, because you don't want to take the time to scan them in and they're not in the system, yet.

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01:48:52.830 --> 01:48:59.070
james murez: You have to compare whatever they give you to that official legal copy to know that you have the correct set.

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01:48:59.550 --> 01:49:08.520
james murez: Because they're not on the city's website so you don't know what drawings they're giving you and that's really important because they could very easily be giving you something that's completely different.

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james murez: The next thing I want to say is all projects when they get posted on to the agenda have to have three documents they have to have this first application, which is the document that that brings the case on to the books, so to speak.

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james murez: This is the city planning document mchale showed it earlier it's very important that you understand that that's an important document because it does have all the information that's one of the documents that has to be presented to the public, before you can have your agenda.

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james murez: The next one is the set of project plans very important project plans are there now if there's findings to happen to have been published those should also be included.

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james murez: But the project plans have to go up with the with the case when it goes on the agenda, the public Aspen know what it is you guys are considering.

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james murez: And the third thing is the draft staff report which, as Michelle said it's always a draft because anything that happens in the hearing has to be updated later.

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james murez: That being said, all of those documents which he showed in his video, and I am going to cut that video down a leak, so you can have just the part where he trained everybody as a separate short video i'll do that for you.

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james murez: All of the documents that he showed, you were on his Google drive that's his personal Google drive.

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james murez: By the time the project gets put on to the dnc website and the agenda is being posted understand that ELISE has to move all of those documents into the dnc domain.

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01:50:41.370 --> 01:50:48.840
james murez: Because we don't have control over my skills or anybody else's dropbox or or Google drive and it has to be within the public domain.

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Michael Jensen: For the record, that is my Venice neighborhood Council Google drive but yes, it is the personal one for that.

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james murez: that's fine.

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01:50:57.000 --> 01:50:58.440
james murez: I mean, let me, let me just finish.

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james murez: So so everybody understands there's one extra step that ELISE has to go through which is you know a little that's why she was talking about the 15 megabytes you could put a much larger file than that in your Google drive, but you couldn't put a much larger file on the dnc site.

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james murez: The next thing I wanted to touch on all these letters up here.

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james murez: that are part of the case number I guess you guys can all see that this breaks down into something that says this is how the project is being reviewed.

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01:51:23.400 --> 01:51:34.890
james murez: it's a group of acronyms that are published by the city, the Department of city planning has a whole list of them leaks, if you don't have them on the loot pack website, yet you might want to add them there, I think that that's a.

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james murez: very useful thing to understand that an SP is or a CDP these things mean things, and when you understand what they mean you understand.

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01:51:44.220 --> 01:51:52.200
james murez: The course that this project is going to take through the city like she mentioned earlier, that if one of them was mellow the M e l.

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james murez: And that would say that there's a particular planning process that has to be cleared.

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james murez: And that's something that you should know about you should understand what me all means, and then you would know so there's a whole bunch of those and they're all described in the dictionary that they have.

883
01:52:05.430 --> 01:52:07.200
james murez: and the last thing that I wanted to say.

884
01:52:08.790 --> 01:52:23.130
james murez: There should be no reason that a case is not complete, by the time it goes up 72 hours before the hearing, and the reason that I say, that is from the date that this project was filed.

885
01:52:23.850 --> 01:52:36.960
james murez: which it says, right here was 826 21 before they have the hearing down here on this column probably somewhere between three to four months are going to go by.

886
01:52:37.830 --> 01:52:46.410
james murez: that's plenty of time for Lou pack to look at the case and make a decision about what's supposed to happen.

887
01:52:47.160 --> 01:52:58.800
james murez: So I bring these things up so everybody knows where we're coming from, we want to be as open and transparent as possible in all of the things that we are doing.

888
01:52:59.580 --> 01:53:06.810
james murez: And that includes starting from the cmc report which everybody can subscribe to, and.

889
01:53:07.680 --> 01:53:19.380
james murez: posting these things is complete very concise staff report needs to be pointing to the actual documents that are posted on the loop pack website so everybody has public access to them.

890
01:53:20.280 --> 01:53:34.500
james murez: We want this stuff to be very, very, very transparent so mchale when your staff report shows that the documents are in your Google drive a leak has to give you an updated file that you can put into your document right before your document gets posted life.

891
01:53:35.550 --> 01:53:35.850
james murez: well.

892
01:53:37.020 --> 01:53:45.720
Alix: On my agenda before you even like the staff report will be hyperlinked in my agenda, but all the documents in their proper place will be hyperlinked.

893
01:53:46.530 --> 01:53:51.120
james murez: yeah if they're if they're in the staff report, they need to be hyperlink to the correct place.

894
01:53:52.320 --> 01:53:54.600
Alix: Okay, Macau, you know I talk about that offline.

895
01:53:54.630 --> 01:54:03.600
james murez: If they're not in the staff report, then they don't have to be hyperlink they just have to be hyperlinked on the agenda that's fine, but they have to be included someplace.

896
01:54:04.860 --> 01:54:15.840
james murez: And then, which what what i'm saying is is that by the time this thing gets sent to city planning, the idea is that the planner looks at a document.

897
01:54:16.410 --> 01:54:27.330
james murez: And when it says approved as presented, they can click on something and see what it was, we were talking about and they don't have to go searching.

898
01:54:27.780 --> 01:54:37.020
james murez: For Venice neighborhood Council what's that I gotta go look on their website to try and find something that was on an agenda from two months ago it we want it to be as.

899
01:54:37.020 --> 01:54:39.600
james murez: complete as possible we want it to be as informative.

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01:54:39.810 --> 01:54:45.690
james murez: We want the history to show a complete collection of information.

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01:54:46.830 --> 01:54:57.510
james murez: Does that make sense to everybody, yes, great if anybody has any questions you're always welcome to reach out and say hello, even if he doesn't want to I am President, and my doors are always open.

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01:54:58.140 --> 01:55:00.240
Alix: gym that's not what I said.

903
01:55:02.700 --> 01:55:09.090
Alix: And one last thing I have been told by the Department of neighborhood empowerment that.

904
01:55:10.890 --> 01:55:27.570
Alix: Everybody is going to have to do, land use training mikael I think you did it last last term I think I did to actually I know I did I don't know if we're going to have to retake it but we're still waiting to hear what the I can't hear you Macau.

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01:55:28.830 --> 01:55:46.080
Michael Jensen: Oh, here we go um I, so I actually took this before it was a requirement for the nc just to kind of get get some education on it, but then I took it again, I think, in October of 2020 Friday says i'm good.

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01:55:46.740 --> 01:55:48.330
Alix: I also did the ethics today.

907
01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:49.170
Alix: And I.

908
01:55:49.260 --> 01:55:51.810
Michael Jensen: said i'm good so far so.

909
01:55:51.930 --> 01:55:53.160
Michael Jensen: I don't think I have to take it again.

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01:55:53.370 --> 01:55:59.040
Alix: I don't think you have to take it, but i'm telling you guys and i'm you know once I have the word from done.

911
01:56:00.540 --> 01:56:01.350
Alix: There will be.

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01:56:02.490 --> 01:56:19.950
Alix: A planning training and all lubec Members are required to take it so just know that's coming it's helpful it's informative i've done it twice mccall's done it it's useful so once I hear about that I will of course send it off to you and.

913
01:56:20.040 --> 01:56:23.340
Ivan: let you know, like can I give you an update on that.

914
01:56:23.640 --> 01:56:24.780
Alix: Yes, please, thank you.

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01:56:25.020 --> 01:56:38.640
Ivan: Okay, I spoke to pretty last week, they sent out to everybody, at the end of last week, a pass code to log into a website called cornerstone.

916
01:56:40.080 --> 01:56:50.760
Ivan: Training is that supposedly slanted to every land use committee Member in the city so look in your emails it came from Freddie coupon the things.

917
01:56:51.210 --> 01:56:52.110
Michael Jensen: They did send a.

918
01:56:54.480 --> 01:56:56.190
Ivan: password what.

919
01:56:57.750 --> 01:57:06.030
Chris Plourde: I can confirm that I, I can confirm that I got the email and the credential techno and that the credentials did not work and.

920
01:57:07.080 --> 01:57:08.700
Chris Plourde: They get my I have.

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01:57:09.450 --> 01:57:09.630
I.

922
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Chris Plourde: Have.

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Chris Plourde: I have sent a reply to them, to say the credentials didn't work and they said, someone from it will get Ahold of you let me know if there's anything else you need.

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01:57:22.350 --> 01:57:22.770
Ivan: Okay.

925
01:57:23.070 --> 01:57:23.430
Alix: All right, I.

926
01:57:24.330 --> 01:57:30.180
Ivan: want you all to know that it didn't go out and train you guys need to take a talk.

927
01:57:32.700 --> 01:57:33.900
Ivan: About kinetic effects.

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01:57:34.110 --> 01:57:36.630
Alix: Did Freddie say when it needed to be completed by.

929
01:57:37.320 --> 01:57:41.640
Ivan: um no he didn't probably in the email that.

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01:57:43.470 --> 01:57:43.770
i'll make.

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01:57:45.210 --> 01:57:46.290
Ivan: I didn't get it.

932
01:57:46.470 --> 01:57:48.390
Ivan: So it's probably in the email.

933
01:57:51.150 --> 01:57:56.010
Alix: I got that email so it's really interesting i'm gonna have to look really look through my emails.

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Mehrnoosh: i've been we do plenty repeat know where does the email come from.

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01:58:00.690 --> 01:58:02.610
Ivan: It came from empower la.

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01:58:02.790 --> 01:58:04.230
Mehrnoosh: empower okay.

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01:58:04.350 --> 01:58:09.150
Ivan: And the guy our our REP who sent it his name is Freddie.

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01:58:10.320 --> 01:58:13.710
Ivan: coupon si P and deck.

939
01:58:14.700 --> 01:58:14.910
Ivan: So.

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01:58:14.940 --> 01:58:20.100
Ivan: might have come under his name, because once you know it's not spam don't throw it out.

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01:58:22.140 --> 01:58:22.530
Ivan: Okay.

942
01:58:23.460 --> 01:58:24.270
Mehrnoosh: Thank you.

943
01:58:24.750 --> 01:58:36.180
Alix: Sir, and I think before we wrap up, I think all of you guys have my cell phone number, I tried to reply on email as quickly as possible, but if it's urgent, you know, please call please text.

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Alix: You know I you know it was nice when we were meeting in person, because we got to know each other, a little bit better, and I hope to get to know all of you a little bit better and find time for individual coffees and everything else and.

945
01:58:50.670 --> 01:58:58.950
Alix: And since we're all going to be working together for the next close to two years, so there you have it any any other questions before we adjourn.

946
01:59:01.770 --> 01:59:03.120
Alix: No, no.

947
01:59:04.800 --> 01:59:08.010
Alix: Good all right, thank you, everybody appreciated.

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01:59:09.780 --> 01:59:10.170
Michael Jensen: bye.

949
01:59:10.530 --> 01:59:11.580
corinne Baginski: bye bye.

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Alix: Nice meeting adjourned.