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james murez: Can you hear me.

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james murez: That was weird.

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Alix: Well, you know technology.

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james murez: Well, no, because I start tried to start from my cell phone and it was able to start the meeting, but you couldn't hear me.

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Alix: um.

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james murez: Now I don't have to be in front of my computer every minute of I mean there's like you know.

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james murez: Tomorrow there's meetings in the middle of that it's like there's meetings two or three times a day, sometimes.

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Alix: I don't need you at the meeting I just need to know that everyone can share.

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james murez: So I think I already set that up.

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james murez: see if you can share.

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Alix: I can but I need to make sure other people can.

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james murez: yeah every every it says all participants so that's already done all participants can share and anybody can take over the sharing so if somebody else's sharing, you can take it over.

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james murez: um.

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james murez: And I still want to make you.

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james murez: loaded were you here you're.

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Alix: Also, Jim I sent you a whole bunch of um letters with proper corrections.

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james murez: yeah I haven't gotten through to those yet.

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james murez: Okay now your co host you should be you should be able to be co host now and be able to promote everybody.

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Alix: We have.

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james murez: don't have anybody to promote at this point do.

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james murez: You remember.

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james murez: Is she a committee Member.

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james murez: Have you gotten your.

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james murez: Committee members listed on your agenda yeah.

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james murez: yeah.

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Alix: Okay, good on the agenda there on the.

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james murez: I just see I see you have your agenda on the screen I just didn't see the committee I see it says, called the.

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james murez: Great.

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Much better.

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Alix: listed just a second there also listed on the loo peck page and Freddie because everyone's.

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Alix: name and email as well, too, for the done rosters.

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james murez: Okay, can you scroll up just a tiny bit, so I can see a little bit more the top of the page, so if this is the second page you don't need to have the heading on top of it on the second page, but it looks like you got your PDF so it's now making all of the.

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james murez: The horizontal lines in your in your table there of participants.

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james murez: yeah so when you go into your word Doc you should be able to set the first page to have the color logo of the city and the Venice neighborhood Council.

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james murez: And the second and rest of the pay, you have it there, but the rest of the pages don't mean to say Venice neighborhood Council and it just waste paper.

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james murez: You know, you might be able to get it down by one page if you didn't have that extra inches stuff at the top.

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Alix: hey I need to see how I change that in my settings.

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james murez: yeah if you if you.

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james murez: Do a Google search for for.

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james murez: header.

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james murez: I forget exactly what it's called but it's.

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james murez: headers different on the first page than it is from subsequent pages.

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james murez: If you just do a search for something like that, like turn off header on second page, it will you'll see.

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james murez: What would you do me a favor before I knew and myself, would use make sure that you can promote.

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Alix: yeah i'm actually doing it right now.

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james murez: Oh great okay.

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james murez: An issue steinberg on your thing I think I asked you.

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Alix: Know she's not she's but she's a presenting tonight.

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james murez: Oh, I see.

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Alix: 12345 well.

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Alix: think we have 1234123456 we have six of us here, so we technically have caught.

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Alix: up.

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Alix: Is everyone's camera on.

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barry Cassilly: i'm driving my camera is not going to be on.

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Alix: Okay, so just so everybody knows we've been asked by the by the city and by the Community to have cameras on So if you could please make sure in future that we are able to do this, where we can have cameras on.

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Alix: So.

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Alix: for everybody that's here.

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Alix: It is 703 i'm going to call the meeting to order, I think we have a I think we have a quorum, this is a leak speaking i'm here Barry.

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Alix: Here Corinne.

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Alix: lauren.

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lauren siegel: here.

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Alix: matt roy's I don't think is coming tonight check the.

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Alix: and Chris port is not coming tonight and Andrew Mika might be late becomes.

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Alix: And mikael.

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Michael Jensen: here.

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Alix: So we have a quorum.

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Alix: So we'll get started um Approval of the Minutes Does anyone want to make a motion to approve the September 2 minutes.

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barry Cassilly: Go ahead Nick no.

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Michael Jensen: No, no, I was just gonna say on the case.

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Michael Jensen: Or was it a.

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Michael Jensen: Maybe i'm just remembering this wrong, but I thought we asked them to deny it until they came back.

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Michael Jensen: So we had some kind of automatic trigger.

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Alix: yeah isn't that what's on there.

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Michael Jensen: And until applicant I guess that's I thought we had we said something a little different but maybe maybe not maybe.

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Alix: I presented until apple good returns.

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Alix: But.

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Michael Jensen: Because I thought they were going to come back and so to prevent them from just not coming back and like just continuing it without having any kind of check on it, I.

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Michael Jensen: Maybe my memory is.

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Michael Jensen: Just different than what's written but.

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Michael Jensen: I don't know if anyone else remembers.

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Alix: It was a while they are coming back, I mean my notes, had it is denying until the apt until the applicant returns.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so they're coming.

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Alix: they're coming back just so you know it's going to have to be reassigned i've sort of had extensive conversations with the applicant.

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Alix: And it's been a little tricky because, as everybody knows, we had a whole slew of.

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Alix: emails and correspondence from the Community who were unhappy, then we had our own debates on it, but I haven't really been able to get someone in the Community to to communicate.

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Alix: With the owner of the House and the architect so like you know is that doesn't happen, and they make changes and they come back, but I sort of feel like you know we can only try as hard as we try.

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Michael Jensen: We are only volunteers um Okay, and then my next question is C and D, it says to be continued, no later than September 30 and I don't think either of those are on their own.

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Alix: they're not go to the next they'll go on to the next agenda with with all the cancellations and everything else we've been a little delayed so we'll continue those to the next agenda.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, and then I mean D, I guess, I should just say continue to request of applicant what get those received them or not, at the request of applicant continued.

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Alix: Continued well the cases, also on hold with the city.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Alix: Which is another issue.

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Michael Jensen: So those are just my questions okay.

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Alix: Does anyone have a motion to approve the agenda.

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barry Cassilly: The agenda.

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Alix: I mean a trip, the Minutes, excuse me.

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barry Cassilly: Sure sure I make a motion to approve the Minutes.

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Alix: Thank you Does anyone want a second.

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Michael Jensen: Are you going to add the continuance on D.

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Alix: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: That would be my only.

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Michael Jensen: drink.

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Alix: And I try and send the Minutes out as soon as they're done, it would be really helpful if I think and take less of our time.

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Alix: If people see changes in the minutes to potentially get them done before we get to our meeting.

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Michael Jensen: I didn't even know we could do that.

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Alix: Well that's why I send them all out to you guys so like if you see a problem Minutes that i've sent them let's change them before I post them.

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Alix: Who wants to second the Minutes i'll second that.

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Alix: boat.

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Alix: Very i'm assuming you're yes.

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Alix: Yes, i'm a yes Corinne.

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corinne Baginski: Yes.

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Alix: Lord lauren siegel.

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Alix: Yes, and mchale.

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Alix: And minute.

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Alix: Great i'm ex parte communications obviously i've spoken to everyone, both on Lou pack, and most of the.

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Alix: anyone else.

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Michael Jensen: I have, on the case i'm staff spoken to Jesse the APP, what are the high yes he's the applicant.

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Alix: hey.

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Alix: anyone else.

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Alix: renews.

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Mehrnoosh: Yes, no.

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Alix: haven't you spoken to the applicant on your project.

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Mehrnoosh: Which one to put tonight.

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Alix: Correct.

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Mehrnoosh: By the ones, he has.

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Alix: Tonight, this is.

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Alix: This is ex parte for tonight, yes.

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Mehrnoosh: i've spoken with them they're going to be presenting obviously pretty soon.

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Alix: Great okay anyone else.

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Alix: Okay, so just a couple quick things because I know we're we're still trying to work through.

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Alix: procedure and process on these meetings and I have spoken about this mchale you asked about brown act if we had the motions on our staff reports and according to Jim.

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Alix: it's not a brown act issue so as the board, how we do this is, we always have the motion and it's actually robert's rules as well to we have a motion on the table, someone seconds that so at least we have something up for conversation.

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Alix: I think staff will present or applicable present.

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barry Cassilly: Committee will do something.

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Alix: For public comment and then back to the committee, and I think that will hopefully help us have quicker, more effective meetings so any questions on that just let me know.

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Michael Jensen: done a done, I take it, not not weighing in on this.

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Alix: No.

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Michael Jensen: plot classic done.

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Alix: But.

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Alix: I mean i'm not doing it to be complicated i'm doing it, so we can hopefully try and like.

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Michael Jensen: Move, though I get it.

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Michael Jensen: I it just seemed like a very simple question for them to answer yes or no.

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Alix: yeah but they didn't and Jim answered it and you know basically essentially if we're talking amongst the.

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Alix: three different committee members, it would be a brownout violation, but if it's know if it's noticed to the public, it said to nc support and it's up on the website it's technically, not a Brown.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Alix: If anyone thinks there's a better way to do this, as I said, like i'm just I am I am just trying to have more clear public communication and that's really the the gist of it so.

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Alix: There you have it, and cnc reports and opening this up to public comment for anybody who would like to hear any of these specific project or has anything to say on any of them and then i'll talk about it within the committee as well.

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Alix: I see one hand up.

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Alix: A timer going.

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Alix: Then we're closing public comment on these reports, Margaret malloy.

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Margaret Molloy: hi guys, I just have a question, if we can request planning to put all the x's and o's on their cnc reports again they used to be on there, and I think that.

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Margaret Molloy: Many in the Community have felt that these aren't always compliant with the outlines of a cx or vso so viewing them would help the public can you ask planning for that, please.

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Alix: sure.

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Margaret Molloy: Thank you.

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Alix: Thanks Margaret.

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Alix: rick swinger.

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rickswinger: yeah i'm sorry, can you hear me.

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rickswinger: yep okay so we're on general public comment right now number.

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Alix: we're on we're on cnc reports.

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rickswinger: Oh okay i'm sorry I hit hit the wrong button and i'll wait for your general comment okay.

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Alix: Great so that we haven't recorded, we have 22 paloma which we heard 2412 so for a 46 West stink Dixon 320 sunset mckellar to see up, can you take that.

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Michael Jensen: Okay 320 you sunset can you send do you know who the applicant.

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Alix: yeah yeah.

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Alix: And then we've already gotten emails about 321 East Venice way.

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Alix: So I don't know if anyone's interested in doing that.

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Alix: it's a little bit complicated.

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barry Cassilly: Oh good.

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Alix: Is that very.

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Alix: Very great.

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Alix: And i'll i'll copy you and on correspondence from the Community as well too and give you all information, and you know one South pen mar we did scare that but I think now the the they're coming back because the.

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Alix: they're finally cleared of their tenants, so I will check in with Tony and if that's the case i'll reassign staff on that and 846 East millwood Corinne do you want to take that.

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corinne Baginski: i'll take it.

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Alix: Thank you and 641 East flower.

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Alix: Anybody want that.

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Mehrnoosh: Much close to me.

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Michael Jensen: Is it too close to you.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah it is all I can take it.

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Alix: You.

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Mehrnoosh: know.

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Mehrnoosh: Oh yeah it's still close to me nevermind sorry.

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Alix: i'm going to give it to mount royston how's that.

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Alix: And 317 East Venice.

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Alix: Nobody.

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barry Cassilly: I would take that one too it's on a major street I like those.

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Alix: Okay Gary and mckellar you okay with taking the other CP.

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Michael Jensen: i'm 71 South Lincoln sure this is my niche.

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Alix: You would like me to give you another committee Member who is new to shadow you on that, so they they can start understanding the SI P process, please let.

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Michael Jensen: ya is, do you know is South is 701 a new si si P, because I 320 sunset is a see so it's just a renewal, but.

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Michael Jensen: gotten based on the location I.

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Michael Jensen: Suppose it will have some interesting.

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Michael Jensen: components to it.

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Alix: I can't remember off top of my head for Lincoln what I think is is it's a it's an existing restaurant, but it looked like it might be a new owner, but I don't want to be 100% on that because I didn't.

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Alix: I just don't remember off the top of my head, I mean.

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Michael Jensen: i'm scoping it out right now.

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Michael Jensen: It looks like it's a see.

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lauren siegel: That, if you want some support and help i'd love to watch.

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Michael Jensen: cool.

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Alix: Great and, by the way, just so you know I I generally give mchale CPS and marijuana because of his.

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Alix: I thought.

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Michael Jensen: I thought, something else was gonna follow that.

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barry Cassilly: didn't know that was why.

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Alix: That was, and that was that was directly talk to those directly given to me by not Royce who's not here so.

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Alix: So you can think macau's not for that, because.

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Alix: Public comment on non agenda items um.

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Alix: Anyone that has public comment raise their hand and we'll start opening up this is for everything non.

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Alix: I see rick sweetener.

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Alix: Okay rick.

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Alix: rick.

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rickswinger: Hello.

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Alix: There you go.

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rickswinger: Okay we're on the right one number seven general comment.

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Alix: Yes, we are.

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rickswinger: Okay terrific you know i'm following up on my request to have spot zoning realignment heard here and loop back and.

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rickswinger: If you recall, this is emotion to rectify spot zoning done decades ago, which is negatively affected property owners and tenants long rows ocean front walk in the Pacific and to remind the Committee, this is a procedural history of motions from a ninth of.

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rickswinger: lubec votes to approve zoning realignment as presented and then on may 21 2009 dmc postponed it for two months.

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rickswinger: In August 20 2019 b&c polls items from the agenda with instructions to return to loop back in August 16 2021 I submitted a request to have the issue brought before.

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rickswinger: Prior to the dnc election 2019 and again prior to the most recent election, I was assured by the Chair, that this will be brought back to loop back and today, you know as of today, anyway, it has not so anyway, I just wanted that to be recorded here.

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Alix: Thank you.

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rickswinger: you're welcome good night.

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Alix: And Margaret.

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Margaret Molloy: So, specifically on in terms of spots opening realignment I believe that every single property within those specific properties that were suggested for realignment was.

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Margaret Molloy: bought after the spots opening so nobody can claim they've been deprived of rights they might want to benefit from rights, but nobody bought on the basis that they had commercial rights and I absolutely oppose the proposal, so thank you.

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Alix: Thank you, Margaret.

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Alix: And with that I am closing public.

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Alix: And rick if you're still there, I will send you an email out as to how this is being addressed and split and why the motion is actually not accurately.

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Alix: Written as is and that's a much longer story, not to get into in this meeting, and it will also be split into two separate motions because they're two separate issues.

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Alix: um I have a sabrina's on trial so she'll speak at a later date, and moving on to 707 crust more I think see steinberg is here.

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barry Cassilly: don't we want to approve the agenda nope.

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Alix: We don't have to do that.

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barry Cassilly: Excuse me.

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Alix: Which part of that didn't you understand.

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barry Cassilly: um, this is a significant procedural change.

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barry Cassilly: what's the reason.

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Alix: This was announced at our board meeting on.

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Alix: whenever it was the third Tuesday of September and it's no longer on our board agendas and per jim's jim's statement that's recorded, none of the committee's have to do agenda approvals anymore.

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barry Cassilly: Okay, thank you.

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Alix: i'm great so soon, do you want to do the are actually yes, so do you want to do the presentation, then renews can do her staff report with emotion.

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Alix: And then we can open it up to public comment and then any additional committee questions and I will stop the share Sue So if you need to share something you can.

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Sue Steinberg: Great thanks yeah whatever order you wish, we do have a PowerPoint presentation to make it easier on everybody, so we will go to that.

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Sue Steinberg: All right, great Thank you.

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Sue Steinberg: going to Hello everybody, my name is Sue steinberg from our Boston associates, this is a simple request tonight we are simply converting an existing storage and recreation room into accessory dwelling unit.

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Sue Steinberg: This property is a single block approximately 1400 square feet and area located long press more place here, which is just south of intersection oakwood out new.

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Sue Steinberg: yeah Tina.

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Sue Steinberg: To tell me say something on the property has accessed from the woodlawn court to the rear it is known, are two and it's within the southeast Venice sub area of specific plan.

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Sue Steinberg: Currently, the property is improved with an existing single family dwelling which is located right here in front of the property and back here is the detached recreation room storage room and carport we're.

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Sue Steinberg: Seeing family going is owner occupied by project applicant.

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Sue Steinberg: Marianne good piano.

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Sue Steinberg: The next slide.

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Sue Steinberg: And, as I said, the applicant is seeking to divine recreation storage rooms into one space.

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Sue Steinberg: And then convert this area to an accessory dwelling unit area of work is highlighted breakroom read on aerial photo.

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Sue Steinberg: The project involves only internal construction there is not new, there is no height or floor or a proposed and the exterior facade will remain as it is.

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Sue Steinberg: Although no parking is required for the view, however, there is a space available on site so we've designated area on site for a view parking as needed.

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Sue Steinberg: right here is the existing floor plan the slide here shows on the storage room and the REC room right now there's a wall right there, which will be.

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Sue Steinberg: And those two spaces will be joined together and that will be the you the existing structure right now is 11 feet two inches and it's going to remain now.

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Sue Steinberg: Here is the existing or sort of.

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Sue Steinberg: plan which looks remarkably similar to the district for plan minus this wall right here on the new EDU is 460 square feet in your area.

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Sue Steinberg: i'm here is the site plan site plan shows the location of the room storage to be converted right here is a carport that it now exists, and will remain in right here in front of that is a parking stall that vr.

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Sue Steinberg: going to use for the year.

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Sue Steinberg: So our requests our coastal development MIT for the new dwelling unit and they'll review there's no new review by he said because there's no demolition or conversion and system dwelling unit.

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Sue Steinberg: So this is a small new housing development type project so it's just the minor Hello review case printers are Brown and did not been scheduled for here yet i'm here to answer any questions.

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Alix: Thank you, my news, do you want to do your presentation and your emotions, so that we have emotion on the table and then i'll open it up to public comments, thank you.

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Mehrnoosh: Yes, my i'm pretty much.

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Mehrnoosh: interested in seeing you know units like that become an EDU and be you know available for Rentals and it helps the tenants, and it helps the Community to have.

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Mehrnoosh: And living space I, there is no major chair I think it's very simple because there's no major changes to the building itself and as.

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Mehrnoosh: I am for the project, so I approve it.

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Alix: Is that is that your motion to approve the project as presented.

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Alix: Great.

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Alix: Thank you, Macau.

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barry Cassilly: I would like to make a friendly amendment.

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Alix: Okay hey.

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barry Cassilly: I would like to have this project approved as a de minimis project and the letter that's on file i'm in the dnc bylaws issued on to the city.

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Michael Jensen: i'll second amendment.

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Alix: um can you repeat that Barry.

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barry Cassilly: um I wouldn't like have this.

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barry Cassilly: Project approved as a de minimis project and have the letter for de minimis projects, which is in the dnc I lost issued to the city.

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Alix: Well, why wouldn't it be issued to the city to all the letters going to shoot to the city.

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barry Cassilly: that's my motion.

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Alix: i'd like to friendly amendment just to approve that as a de minimis project.

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Alix: it's redundant about letters de minimis to the city.

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Michael Jensen: Well, second, the Amended motion.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: We vote on the berries Amended motion.

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barry Cassilly: And then.

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barry Cassilly: Secondly, both of the amendments and.

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Michael Jensen: Now i'm sending bit barium SEC, I already seconded your Amended motion before the amendment to the amendment.

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Michael Jensen: was stated, but.

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Michael Jensen: So I think we have to vote on the the original amendment before going any further.

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barry Cassilly: disabling the original.

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Michael Jensen: redundant redundant or not.

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lauren siegel: Well, what do you please.

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lauren siegel: explain what the significance of what barriers saying so we all understand.

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Alix: So.

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Alix: Sorry.

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Alix: they're very.

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barry Cassilly: What i'm what i'm saying is that.

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barry Cassilly: The DNS is this.

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barry Cassilly: outside of my emotion.

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barry Cassilly: I don't feel like we should be hearing projects like this it's taking up time.

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barry Cassilly: For something that's is basically a rope.

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barry Cassilly: there's there's no there's no.

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barry Cassilly: opportunity for comments on de minimis projects by the Community or or on the committee um and we have better things to do so in the future we shouldn't hear cases like this, where they're so simple there's no square footage added.

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barry Cassilly: it's got a its got the city sign off so i'm merely saying that we should follow procedure that's established and i'm you know pass this as a diminished project leads important to say that and i'm to stipulate that a letter that's on file already exists.

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barry Cassilly: For de minimis projects be issued to the city.

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lauren siegel: Okay, thank you bury for explaining.

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Alix: So Barry just to add to that so he's correct on a de minimis project, however, we have been we've been asked by Jim and by the Community to put forth to put forth all projects and if applicants want to come forth with projects.

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Alix: as well to we should hear them and it isn't my discretion if i'm going to hear something or not, so I understand very that you don't want to hear this, this should be a quick one and, before we vote on this it's going to get opened up to public comment So anyone who.

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barry Cassilly: wants I have, I have one comment on that and.

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barry Cassilly: I.

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Alix: Think after i'm opening this to public comment now.

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Alix: Public comment on this, I see one public comments.

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Alix: I see two.

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Alix: Great mark at.

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Margaret Molloy: The minimum is a controversial issue that was fought really hard by the Community, I believe in the 90s and.

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Margaret Molloy: Allowing the Community to review any project is a good idea and not adding square footage is very often a misnomer for controversial project, so I would completely disagree with barry's position and I think that i'm.

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Margaret Molloy: Not hearing projects because somebody considers them de minimis is a subject of discussion, not a loop peck decision without any public input, thank you.

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Alix: Thank you, Margaret.

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Alix: And Eric more.

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Erica Moore: hi I agree also that there should be the opportunity for color on it serious Thank you.

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Alix: Thanks Erica.

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Alix: And with that we are closing public comment.

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Alix: So we have emotion on the table, which is to approve this is a de minimis de minimis with a letter as a de minimis issue to the city, we will vote on that first unless the committee has questions for the applicant which it sounds like they don't um.

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barry Cassilly: I wasn't finished responding to the last thing you said, I would be able to respond after.

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Alix: Public Company, please respond Barry.

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barry Cassilly: Thank you um.

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barry Cassilly: it's this, these issues are not i'm a point of discussion or of controversy that controversy was settled in court ruling it's it's a point of law um if a project has cx or or on the So those are de minimis projects.

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barry Cassilly: There is no opportunity there's no discretion at the city level on on projects like that there can be at the coastal Commission if Community members or anyone wants to go to the coastal Commission and comment about a project that has the so they're free to do so, but at the city level.

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barry Cassilly: it's not legal to engage in a process like that.

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Alix: Very I have a question, what is the chart of the Venice neighborhood Council.

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barry Cassilly: What is the one i'm sorry.

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Alix: What is the mission statement of the Venice neighborhood Council.

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barry Cassilly: i'm aware of what the mission statement of the Venice neighborhood Council.

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Alix: People are aware of it, I asked you what the mission statement of it was.

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barry Cassilly: i'm responding to your question.

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barry Cassilly: which I don't think is generative people are referring to highlight this was highly contentious in the Community, it went all the way to the courts and to the appeal court.

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barry Cassilly: Areas you settled, excuse me, the issue, the issue was settled settled.

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barry Cassilly: i'm ready.

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Alix: Going very.

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barry Cassilly: know, I was you wanted to say something I was saying i'm stopping i'm waiting.

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Alix: go on.

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barry Cassilly: um I don't really remember where I was always say is what i'm saying is very simple.

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barry Cassilly: If a project has a via so signature, there is no discretion left at the city level on the loop.

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barry Cassilly: On cannot weigh in on such a project i'm Community members can't at the city level on the dnc cannot um, we need to issue the de minimis letter for those projects that's on file arm with it within the bylaws, we need to follow the law.

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Alix: Great very are you done.

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barry Cassilly: yeah i'm.

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Alix: Good so a couple things to add to that number one and then we're gonna vote because I don't want to get into.

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Michael Jensen: A I actually feel like we should the questions been called it's been seconded there's like discussion is not part of the process now.

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Michael Jensen: But afterwards, if you guys, want to have it out in terms of.

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Michael Jensen: Who knows, the rules better like fine, but right now there's a pending motion it's been seconded.

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Michael Jensen: there's a roll call vote.

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barry Cassilly: sure.

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Alix: I will be quiet, I asked a question he chimed in and he didn't answer the question and the question is, is that the Venice neighborhood Council.

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Alix: is organized as a public neighborhood Council dedicated to the empowerment of the Venice community, and that means taking comment from the Community.

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Alix: And as far as de minimis projects i'm Richard stinger informed us on our last project, which was put in as a de minimis project that of the of the.

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Alix: six projects that were approved by Lou peck on the board five of them went to court and didn't go through, so you know it's questionable and it's subjective anyway we're we have a vote on the table we're going to vote on this Amended motion which I think is redundant um.

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Alix: i'll take roll call and Barry.

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barry Cassilly: Yes, you mean how am I going.

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barry Cassilly: i'm voting in favor of my amen amen.

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Alix: Yes or no more nish.

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Alix: i'm Macau.

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Alix: i'm lauren.

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Alix: And Corinne.

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Alix: Is that everybody.

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Alix: and myself, no.

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Alix: emotion motion carries Thank you soon, it should be on the consent calendar for our October meeting, but I would make sure to to make it to the board meeting, which is the third Tuesday of October okay.

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Sue Steinberg: Thank you guys very much have a.

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Alix: Good evening, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Now, if you guys want to engage and who knows the.

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Michael Jensen: mission statement of the Venice neighborhood Council, by all means.

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barry Cassilly: I do not.

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Alix: And mikael is Jesse here.

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Michael Jensen: don't see him in the audience.

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Alix: esteem in the audience.

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Michael Jensen: Or is there anyone here to speak on the from the public to speak.

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Michael Jensen: On this case.

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Alix: And let me put the.

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Michael Jensen: Because i'll be honest my my inclination is, I know we here i'll see you PS.

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Michael Jensen: But this is a renewal of.

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Michael Jensen: An existing I want to say six year see up beer and wine only.

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Michael Jensen: In a tiny little space on Main Street.

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Michael Jensen: I mean i'm sort of inclined to make a motion to approve this even in their absence, because I think it's a.

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Alix: fairly.

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Alix: it's fairly non controversial let's open it up, you have the motion to approve the see up as presented.

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Michael Jensen: And it's yeah it's really a renewal oversee up no change the square footage know change the licensed type no change to ours.

407
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Alix: Right i'm gonna second that Mikhail so we have a motion on the table um do you just basically presented what it is i'm going to put it into public comments and.

408
00:40:57.510 --> 00:41:00.300
Alix: Then we can see how we build on it.

409
00:41:02.010 --> 00:41:05.490
Alix: I see one public comment is that it.

410
00:41:09.510 --> 00:41:10.080
Alix: Erica.

411
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Erica Moore: What encourage you guys to approve this Thank you.

412
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Alix: Thank you.

413
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Alix: And with that we are closing public comments.

414
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Alix: And mikael is there anything else, we need to know about this.

415
00:41:30.150 --> 00:41:36.240
Michael Jensen: No, I mean my my staff report just scan but that's because this is, I think a really a.

416
00:41:36.570 --> 00:41:37.770
Alix: Non controversial.

417
00:41:38.520 --> 00:41:41.580
Michael Jensen: Well, I mean it's it's a see I know we hear all.

418
00:41:42.660 --> 00:41:44.880
Michael Jensen: it's categorical because i'm sure so.

419
00:41:45.930 --> 00:41:58.500
Michael Jensen: You know that being said, we here so up so it's on I think there's no, you know there's no opposition from the public, I see no reason why we should stand in the way of this renewal.

420
00:41:59.370 --> 00:42:08.010
Alix: So to everyone that's new on the committee um i'll ask for feedback also if you're wondering why we here i'll see PS it's because it is.

421
00:42:08.430 --> 00:42:18.510
Alix: They are permits either their renewals is mchale just stated, or their new for new businesses and new restaurants and these can sometimes be things that the public wants to weigh in on.

422
00:42:18.690 --> 00:42:34.560
Alix: So we want to make sure that anytime there's alcohol or by the way, marijuana involved that we allow the the public to weigh does anyone in the committee have any questions on this, if so, raise your hand and we'll call.

423
00:42:40.740 --> 00:42:49.080
Alix: Anyone I don't see any hands raised so i'm going to call the question and i'll take a roll call vote on this i'm.

424
00:42:51.450 --> 00:42:53.370
Alix: mikael obviously a yes.

425
00:42:56.220 --> 00:42:56.670
Michael Jensen: Yes, yes.

426
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Alix: And minish.

427
00:43:02.190 --> 00:43:03.690
Alix: munition unmute please.

428
00:43:06.930 --> 00:43:07.860
Alix: unmute please.

429
00:43:08.220 --> 00:43:10.680
Alix: Yes, i'm lauren.

430
00:43:11.130 --> 00:43:13.620
Alix: Yes, and Corinne.

431
00:43:15.090 --> 00:43:15.870
Alix: Very.

432
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Alix: Very can you unmute.

433
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barry Cassilly: Very good, yes.

434
00:43:26.790 --> 00:43:31.290
Alix: i'm a yes as well to Mikhail we make sure to remind me yes.

435
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:42.000
Michael Jensen: I like I like Jesse know, and I just this is on site last Monday, when the meeting was cancelled I emailed both of us to let them know it was cancelled and.

436
00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:49.530
Michael Jensen: kind of left it on you or I to tell them when the next meeting was, and neither one of us did that so it's not on the sauce.

437
00:43:49.920 --> 00:43:51.030
Alix: Okay that's fine.

438
00:43:52.200 --> 00:43:55.590
Alix: And it should be a quick meeting for us tonight.

439
00:44:02.160 --> 00:44:05.940
Alix: We have one more item on the agenda, which is a.

440
00:44:08.670 --> 00:44:09.540
Alix: rock mission.

441
00:44:11.610 --> 00:44:13.590
Alix: And that was proposed by Jay handle.

442
00:44:14.280 --> 00:44:17.280
Michael Jensen: Can I ask a question, because we didn't get any talk about the agenda.

443
00:44:17.700 --> 00:44:18.090
Alix: mm hmm.

444
00:44:18.510 --> 00:44:24.150
Michael Jensen: What was the presentation from Sabrina fence ghosts and who is she.

445
00:44:24.690 --> 00:44:33.180
Alix: she's a land use attorney and she was going to talk about development in the in the coastal zone and actually the vso lost it.

446
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:36.150
Michael Jensen: So she will represent.

447
00:44:37.410 --> 00:44:44.190
Alix: um she represents different different different people I mean she's a land use attorney you can go in and look at her.

448
00:44:44.460 --> 00:44:47.730
Michael Jensen: Work and she involved in the litigation for the area so.

449
00:44:48.780 --> 00:44:52.260
Alix: She I believe she no not on the vso specifically I don't believe.

450
00:44:53.880 --> 00:44:59.340
barry Cassilly: I think that's wrong, I think that she was one of the i'm involved attorneys.

451
00:45:06.900 --> 00:45:07.290
Alix: well.

452
00:45:07.350 --> 00:45:09.900
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, I guess we'll stay tuned because she's coming back I.

453
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:12.150
Alix: will come back soon yes.

454
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barry Cassilly: Well let's find let's find out, because that would be just outlandish Lee inappropriate to speak.

455
00:45:18.300 --> 00:45:20.040
barry Cassilly: Mary litigated.

456
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Alix: very useful on items that you've litigated as well, too, and you sit on the committee so let's not talk about outrageous, please.

457
00:45:29.520 --> 00:45:31.380
barry Cassilly: No i'll stand by that comment.

458
00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:32.880
Alix: and

459
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Alix: The West side regional alliance of Council is requested the City Council direct city attorney Mike fewer to provide a legal opinion as to whether or not the city planning department and conditions of the legal right.

460
00:45:43.440 --> 00:45:53.790
Alix: Under state and city law ordinance is to consider the financial interests of the developer, when considering entitlements and that is the motion out of rock I believe there were a whole bunch of.

461
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:59.760
Alix: background information and files on it and Does anyone want a second debt.

462
00:46:01.470 --> 00:46:04.170
Michael Jensen: I want to talk about this motion before we just.

463
00:46:05.550 --> 00:46:06.300
Michael Jensen: vote on it.

464
00:46:06.720 --> 00:46:11.520
Alix: Well, let me tell you need to second it so that we have it on the table to talk about.

465
00:46:13.380 --> 00:46:27.030
Michael Jensen: Okay, so let me get OK, so the new procedure sorry if we get is no longer is there a vote to approve the agenda, but before each item comes up there needs to be a.

466
00:46:28.830 --> 00:46:32.910
Michael Jensen: motion to I guess open debate on.

467
00:46:33.090 --> 00:46:37.230
Michael Jensen: An Iran, and then a second and then that's how it gets all.

468
00:46:37.650 --> 00:46:38.460
Alix: Correct.

469
00:46:39.030 --> 00:46:47.940
Alix: we're actually, by the way, we're we're moving it back to how things first of all we're mirroring how things run at the board level.

470
00:46:49.020 --> 00:47:04.140
Alix: we're mirroring robert's rules and I had a long conversation with daffodil about this and historically we had with Jim actually we had done this, and this has been done in the past with Luca the idea of being a stay in in in.

471
00:47:06.450 --> 00:47:22.350
Alix: aligned with robert's rules but be to have emotion on the table and go through the proper to date, so that the public knows what's out there as a mode, they can actually make comment on emotion, rather than us then putting emotion and voting at the very end, it just doesn't make sense.

472
00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:25.980
barry Cassilly: i'm still confused is is the idea is there.

473
00:47:27.270 --> 00:47:33.270
barry Cassilly: Is the idea to have a motion to like here the case or.

474
00:47:33.300 --> 00:47:34.530
Michael Jensen: Is this literally to.

475
00:47:34.530 --> 00:47:35.370
Michael Jensen: Open debate.

476
00:47:36.180 --> 00:47:37.710
Alix: it's to open debate.

477
00:47:38.220 --> 00:47:43.140
barry Cassilly: Oh OK, so we individually make those motions item by item.

478
00:47:44.550 --> 00:47:45.840
Alix: Correct so.

479
00:47:46.170 --> 00:47:46.740
Alix: it's got a.

480
00:47:48.360 --> 00:47:53.820
Alix: With a present with a public comment on an item, then a presentation, then committee debate.

481
00:47:54.120 --> 00:48:00.120
Alix: staff will do the presentation give emotion that the public knows it will be in the staff report.

482
00:48:00.390 --> 00:48:16.950
Alix: That way we know what the emotion is that doesn't necessarily mean the motion, it may be amended, it may be voted down, it may be changed, but it starts the conversation, and so that we know what we're moving towards or what's on the goal when we get into these meetings at this and.

483
00:48:17.550 --> 00:48:32.580
barry Cassilly: i'm not trying to be sick i'm just trying i'm just trying to understand it sounded like mchale said something different than what you're saying, but I don't understand this is, are you are we having a motion to hear this agenda item and then.

484
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.060
barry Cassilly: There will be public comment, and how does it get we're.

485
00:48:36.330 --> 00:48:41.700
Alix: A motion to open the debate on the agenda item and to have public comment correct.

486
00:48:42.270 --> 00:48:44.790
barry Cassilly: does not mean that the past.

487
00:48:44.820 --> 00:48:48.720
Alix: or not past or it's simply to open the debate it is.

488
00:48:48.780 --> 00:48:53.340
Alix: It is following the procedure that we use at the board meeting.

489
00:48:53.610 --> 00:48:54.210
Alix: Which is.

490
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A four.

491
00:48:57.150 --> 00:49:04.440
barry Cassilly: The reference to the board isn't helping me so we're doing this and then the public comments on this item and then what happens.

492
00:49:05.850 --> 00:49:19.020
Alix: And then we go to comment on it and make our own comments and have our own conversation, and once we've exhausted our conversation, as we do with everything we can, and then the motion we can continue the motion or deny the motion.

493
00:49:19.410 --> 00:49:24.390
barry Cassilly: Oh wait a minute we don't have a real motion yes we're uh we're just.

494
00:49:24.420 --> 00:49:25.350
Alix: doing the motion.

495
00:49:26.250 --> 00:49:32.160
barry Cassilly: What but you said it was a motion just to hear the item your discussion on the item.

496
00:49:33.840 --> 00:49:37.140
Alix: Barry there's emotion The item is the.

497
00:49:38.310 --> 00:49:49.350
Alix: emotion is the West side regional councils request that the City Council direct city attorney Mike your to provide a legal opinion as to whether or not the city planning department and Commission.

498
00:49:49.620 --> 00:49:56.760
Alix: have the legal right under state and city laws and ordinances to consider the financial interests of the developer, when I.

499
00:49:57.270 --> 00:49:58.110
Alix: understand that.

500
00:49:59.430 --> 00:50:03.150
barry Cassilly: you're you're making a motion to to debate this motion correct.

501
00:50:04.560 --> 00:50:10.830
Alix: This is a rap motion we're making a motion to debate this motion so that is on the table for conversation i've made.

502
00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:14.610
Michael Jensen: Jim has his hand up, I think he wants to chime in on his.

503
00:50:16.200 --> 00:50:20.220
Michael Jensen: novel new idea or your guys's new novel idea hey.

504
00:50:20.280 --> 00:50:20.760
Jim.

505
00:50:22.440 --> 00:50:24.750
james murez: Thank you um I didn't want to interrupt but.

506
00:50:26.070 --> 00:50:31.920
james murez: So I think that that it's not a novel new idea, but thank you, Michael for for crediting me for that.

507
00:50:32.190 --> 00:50:41.430
james murez: This is actually following robert's rules of order and and for whatever reason, beatings over the past couple of years of sort of become very loose and goosey.

508
00:50:42.060 --> 00:50:49.650
james murez: so to speak, and they really have not been following the official rules, the official rules being that you, you have a motion to.

509
00:50:51.360 --> 00:51:02.430
james murez: discuss because it was written onto your agenda as an item in this case it's an item that was brought on by the West side region regional alliance of.

510
00:51:03.540 --> 00:51:04.560
james murez: neighborhood Councils.

511
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:12.690
james murez: The point is, is that you that you make the motion you second the motion after the motion has been seconded.

512
00:51:13.140 --> 00:51:32.850
james murez: it's then tossed back to anybody on the committee that has that does not understand what has been presented as the motion it's not discussing the merits of the motion it's discussing the the the understanding, do you understand what's written there.

513
00:51:34.020 --> 00:51:44.820
james murez: After that occurs it gets turned over to public comment and the public now gets to weigh in on how they feel and what they see.

514
00:51:45.990 --> 00:51:47.730
james murez: it's been described in the motion.

515
00:51:49.170 --> 00:52:00.960
james murez: At the end of that public comment is closed and then it's open to the committee to the body is the the robert's rules calls it, a body, but in this case it's the committee to the committee members to.

516
00:52:02.730 --> 00:52:10.530
james murez: be able to discuss and deliberate between them at the end of that period of time when when the committee is done talking about it.

517
00:52:12.210 --> 00:52:19.020
james murez: Somebody makes the the suggestion that a boat be taken, and at that point you take the vote during the boat.

518
00:52:20.100 --> 00:52:25.260
james murez: The body members, the committee members are only allowed to say yay nay or abstain.

519
00:52:26.460 --> 00:52:34.140
james murez: there's to be no other discussion during the time that the vote is occurring, and this is all very standard.

520
00:52:34.470 --> 00:52:36.750
Michael Jensen: Raw follow up question for you.

521
00:52:36.780 --> 00:52:44.700
Michael Jensen: Sure go ahead leaks, so you make a motion to open up debate and put something on the floor is essentially.

522
00:52:46.230 --> 00:52:49.320
Michael Jensen: accepting that you understand what's written.

523
00:52:50.940 --> 00:52:53.280
james murez: it's the you want to get on with the discussion.

524
00:52:53.340 --> 00:53:05.160
Michael Jensen: Okay, so, then the next phase, because we didn't do this with the other, we had for the case number or the cases we had we had like an applicant presents and then public comment.

525
00:53:05.280 --> 00:53:19.230
james murez: And so the applicant presenting is part of the committee understanding what the project is so it will come through so after the motion is made and seconded then it becomes the the.

526
00:53:20.040 --> 00:53:35.100
james murez: Presentation by the applicants, without any questions back and forth except by the committee saying wait, did you say that number was 30 not 37 or something to that effect you're just trying to clarify.

527
00:53:35.580 --> 00:53:38.580
Michael Jensen: The Info captain and then following the motion.

528
00:53:38.610 --> 00:53:39.900
Michael Jensen: you're not known for.

529
00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:42.150
barry Cassilly: What you're not way late, I have a question.

530
00:53:42.210 --> 00:53:43.320
james murez: hold on one second.

531
00:53:44.130 --> 00:53:45.240
james murez: Let me just finish this thought.

532
00:53:45.480 --> 00:53:46.380
Michael Jensen: gems not finished.

533
00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:57.420
james murez: What when when you're when you're trying to clarify the item you're not talking about the opinion or the content from the standpoint.

534
00:53:57.780 --> 00:54:11.100
james murez: g 37 is too tall, and that you know we can't possibly improve our you know, in the last six projects we only allow 35 and whatever that number value is that's not the point, the point is.

535
00:54:12.060 --> 00:54:26.910
james murez: Was the number, you spoke or was the number that was described on the paper 37 and that's really all we're trying to do is clarify the detail at the point, the project is being presented before it goes to public comment go ahead Barry.

536
00:54:27.780 --> 00:54:38.970
barry Cassilly: I have a question about staff reports so is the staff report part of this informational period does it come after the pre the applicants presentation.

537
00:54:39.510 --> 00:54:49.530
james murez: So the agenda should have three documents for every project on the agenda and keep in mind that that the agenda starts with the.

538
00:54:50.340 --> 00:55:04.320
james murez: cmc report at the beginning, do we even want to hear this project and that would then become new business which, on the subsequent agenda after that project was handed out to somebody that theoretically volunteered to y'all hear that project.

539
00:55:05.040 --> 00:55:12.090
james murez: It comes back then, as old business once it comes back as old business, you should have already gone through the.

540
00:55:12.660 --> 00:55:25.170
james murez: Public outreach period, which means that somebody already collected information from the Community, and it should already have a staff report understanding what the project is about and making a a.

541
00:55:26.040 --> 00:55:39.090
james murez: General motion of some sort to approve or disapprove or approve with modifications or disapprove with modification or de minimis we have no interest in this, because it complies to code.

542
00:55:40.140 --> 00:55:48.480
james murez: That that's pretty much how it should be on the agenda so on the agenda, there should be the the master land use application a link to that.

543
00:55:48.840 --> 00:55:49.590
barry Cassilly: There should be a link.

544
00:55:49.890 --> 00:56:03.270
james murez: To whatever project plans are, and there should be a link to whatever the staff report is and that information should all be published prior to the meeting, and that gives you the basis of what it is you're approving when you say.

545
00:56:03.720 --> 00:56:08.760
james murez: i'm making the motion to start this discussion, in other words the motion has been made.

546
00:56:09.090 --> 00:56:24.000
james murez: Your radically within the staff report and everybody's already had a chance to see it and understand it and and, hopefully, whatever presentation is then made by the applicant it's really only dotting the i's and crossing the t's and allow you to get through the projects more quickly.

547
00:56:24.780 --> 00:56:25.110
it's really.

548
00:56:26.220 --> 00:56:27.540
james murez: it's really an example.

549
00:56:27.660 --> 00:56:34.890
james murez: This is all this all comes back this all comes back to trying to create the most transparent as possible committee, we can.

550
00:56:35.130 --> 00:56:41.760
james murez: We want the public to be involved, we want everybody to know what's going on and we don't want to just spring them on at the last second.

551
00:56:41.970 --> 00:56:50.070
james murez: and say gee you've had all of 10 minutes to be able to review these plans we want to give them at least 72 hours and if possible let's give them two months.

552
00:56:50.250 --> 00:56:51.960
Alix: or a motion by the way.

553
00:56:52.920 --> 00:57:02.580
Alix: And not being done as a like whimsical novel new idea, this is something Jim you know you and I talked about this off and I talked about this.

554
00:57:02.820 --> 00:57:13.560
Alix: This is being done to promote more transparency in the Community and to hopefully have more time efficient meetings and to follow robert's rules of orders.

555
00:57:13.770 --> 00:57:15.420
james murez: Very did I answer the question.

556
00:57:16.140 --> 00:57:17.520
barry Cassilly: No, can I go back to.

557
00:57:17.790 --> 00:57:20.640
barry Cassilly: I mean i'm very lucky what.

558
00:57:23.550 --> 00:57:27.390
Alix: Our meetings and, and this is becoming, this is becoming too much.

559
00:57:27.450 --> 00:57:32.010
james murez: Well leak, let me see if I can understand each question and understand and see if I can get an answer.

560
00:57:33.180 --> 00:57:33.840
barry Cassilly: My question.

561
00:57:33.930 --> 00:57:46.350
barry Cassilly: All my question has to do with staff report, I mean, I know, like from experience that most of the Community members to log in has not read the staff report before the meeting.

562
00:57:48.420 --> 00:57:54.750
barry Cassilly: And sometimes some of the committee members not read the staff report so i'm.

563
00:57:56.820 --> 00:58:01.890
barry Cassilly: that's why we've always read this F report at the meeting to make sure that everybody is has all the information.

564
00:58:02.580 --> 00:58:04.590
james murez: Oh so you're asking do you need to.

565
00:58:04.590 --> 00:58:06.540
james murez: Read the staff report allowed.

566
00:58:06.870 --> 00:58:08.070
barry Cassilly: To the rest of it, I was.

567
00:58:08.310 --> 00:58:19.680
barry Cassilly: I was assuming before this situation before this came up that yes, of course, there is a staff record allowed but it sounded like you were saying we don't necessarily read the staff record allowed.

568
00:58:20.130 --> 00:58:22.560
james murez: yeah I think i'll leave that up to you and to.

569
00:58:23.010 --> 00:58:31.050
james murez: Tell a leak to the figure out, I mean a staff report could be very long, the important thing in a staff report to you know backup for a moment.

570
00:58:31.290 --> 00:58:38.760
james murez: it's not so much the narrative that's important in the staff report it's the findings it's the what is it that has legal value.

571
00:58:39.720 --> 00:58:49.710
james murez: Are they complying to code are they not complying to code and that's really the basis of what you want to create an a staff report, if you look at a staff report that's created by the coastal Commission.

572
00:58:50.010 --> 00:59:03.660
james murez: or by the planning department there's always one section that talks about actual specific findings and findings are legal values it's you know it's it's using the matrix of numbers and values that that.

573
00:59:04.410 --> 00:59:11.790
james murez: The documents are written by is the height comply, you know, are there are there other issues, and those are the things that you really want.

574
00:59:12.060 --> 00:59:21.210
james murez: In the findings are there things that that fall out of place and yeah I would say that in the findings, you probably you know if somebody is is.

575
00:59:21.810 --> 00:59:34.560
james murez: got a questionable project that would be the information you'd want to read aloud because that would be the information you want to make sure gets clarified if there was something that was seemed a little bit off or odd or.

576
00:59:34.650 --> 00:59:35.640
james murez: out of place OK.

577
00:59:35.730 --> 00:59:36.000
barry Cassilly: So.

578
00:59:36.510 --> 00:59:38.040
Michael Jensen: The dim question.

579
00:59:42.780 --> 00:59:47.880
Michael Jensen: Staff reports have to be prayer by committee staff members correct.

580
00:59:48.600 --> 00:59:55.950
james murez: They have to be presented by committee staff members, if you guys become so backlogged are so tied up.

581
00:59:55.980 --> 00:59:57.360
Michael Jensen: In no that's not my question but.

582
00:59:57.510 --> 00:59:58.380
james murez: But but.

583
00:59:58.440 --> 01:00:01.680
Michael Jensen: So, like on this agenda item.

584
01:00:02.070 --> 01:00:12.360
Michael Jensen: yep there is a a document called background information and recommended motion regarding city attorney opinion that was a document generated by someone Iraq.

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yeah.

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Michael Jensen: Jay Ross.

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Right.

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Michael Jensen: Know Lou peck member that i'm aware of, as was assigned this motion to do like an objective analysis of it or prepare anything that was internally.

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Michael Jensen: generated to educate the committee on what this motions about were only given essentially I mean if you treat rack as the applicant in this scenario which they essentially are.

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Michael Jensen: we're only getting a presentation from the applicant we're not getting anything else.

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james murez: yeah and you're not even getting that it's a very good point it probably would make more sense to have rack motions be assigned to somebody wanting to pick them up and and and carry him away it's a very good point.

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james murez: And in this case the applicants, not even here to make their case you'd have to go back and listen to the video that was created by Jay handle when he made this so if nobody's read this and you don't have an opinion about what it is they're trying to present it be very difficult.

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james murez: To be able to take a position on anybody read it, then they can fill in the rest of the committee that didn't read it, that would probably be a really good thing to do and yeah in the future it's probably a good idea to to have one person stand up and say hey I will take this one on.

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Alix: So i'm sorry I somewhat disagree with you, because if these if these if these rack motions are getting passed by the Rack Board and the information that's provided in the background information.

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Alix: is sufficient for the council's to decide whether to pass emotion or not i'm not really sure what more like stuff is going to add, you know to to this particular to this particular scenario um.

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james murez: Well, so that could be debated and if you don't want to do it that way you don't have to.

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james murez: But I would say that rack motion should probably be looked at by the more senior people on the committee, because they have the most experience and and by talking through them on the committee with the the newer.

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james murez: recruit ease to the committee, probably makes more sense for the newer people to be able to hear what is it that the more senior people actually thought about when they read what this was about.

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james murez: Because they probably have no idea what's going on here, and even if they did read it, they would only have you know their opinion of what they read and not the bigger picture of how does this actually affect projects.

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Michael Jensen: So one final question and then i'll shut up.

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james murez: I was on this committee for 12 years and then i've watched over it for another eight or 10 more.

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james murez: In reading this I understand exactly just from the motion what he's trying to say you know, a novice might not understand what they're talking about.

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james murez: So it would probably be helpful to have somebody that knew how to read it explain to them what it was about so you have to kill, you are very probably have that.

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Michael Jensen: See so bringing this back to what instigated or what started this whole thing yep in the beginning, you have someone who makes a motion to put this on the floor.

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Michael Jensen: What happens if that motion is not.

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Michael Jensen: Second, if.

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james murez: It fails.

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Michael Jensen: Nothing happened so there's no debate.

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james murez: there's no debate dies on the floor.

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barry Cassilly: Okay, is is, is there a place in this process, to have the item on the postponed to another meeting.

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james murez: yeah after its first and then second to did another example emotions been made and seconded, then you can say let's postpone this to the next meeting.

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Alix: Jim i'm Sorry, I have to jump in here yeah that doesn't really want to read the Rack documentation and insists on staff reports when there's plenty of information.

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Alix: On on this motion and for Councils have already managed to pass it without the amount of debate and i'm not suggesting that we pass it.

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Alix: I mean, it is not in very complicated motion it's simply asking for the city attorney to write a legal opinion on on on something it's not saying what that legal opinion should or should not be, that is, that is what this motion it's yeah.

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Michael Jensen: I understand let's not get into debating the merits of.

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james murez: hold on a leak I think there's a there's a.

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Alix: Practice with rack motions that's fine, we can decide to not recommend any of them and just send them on up to the board.

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james murez: league I think you're you're you're more interested right now in the content of this particular item and we've been talking about process, how do we, how do we go about addressing their emotions.

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james murez: And and i'm not really getting into the content of it i'm just talking from my personal experience, this is something that I can read and understand and new people probably don't that's i'm just strictly speaking to the process of trying to get people to understand what's going on.

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james murez: I think each motion is going to carry its own content and you'll have to decide on it on emotion by emotion, whether or not you want to debate it and and discuss it.

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Alix: So thank you, Jim berry do understand the robert's rules process and does everyone else on the committee understand the robert's rules process and why we are doing things this way.

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barry Cassilly: Honestly, I don't think i'm ready to move on.

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Alix: So Barry I would suggest, because you clearly are not dumb I would suggest you get robert's rules of order and you read it, I read it i'm still rereading it.

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Alix: You know it's dry it's not exactly what I want to be reading on my spare time but i'm doing it so that we can try to make the meetings and the process run properly.

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Alix: that's been the conversation that we've we've had all of us as committee chairs across the board i'm not doing it to be arbitrary and and perhaps some of your questions will be explained there.

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barry Cassilly: Okay i'm ready to move on.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Alix: Thank you, Jim.

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Alix: um.

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james murez: you're welcome if you need me i'm here.

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Alix: Does anybody.

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Alix: else on the Committee of the new newer people corrine lauren renews do you do, you have questions about this process that are not clear.

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lauren siegel: I do, what I need to understand is it seems like you think we should already be familiar with this that everybody else has passed it so therefore we shouldn't have a discussion.

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lauren siegel: But then I question why are we even seeing it if if the impression is that it's already been passed and everybody else's on board.

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Alix: I mean, though.

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lauren siegel: The debate the actual.

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lauren siegel: substance of what this is about isn't that what our role is.

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Alix: So lauren perhaps you misunderstood me i'm not suggesting that we not debate this but there Jay Jay handle who wrote this put a whole.

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Alix: You know round of background information as to why he came up with this motion.

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Alix: And it's linked in the documents and to really say there's not an adequate staff report on this.

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Alix: All i'm saying is is there's been plenty of information and debate on this, for it to go back into go to other Councils.

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Alix: i'm happy for us to debate it i'm happy for us to say no, we don't want to put this motion forward or yes, we do want to put this motion forward or.

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Alix: Let me rephrase that no, we want to recommend we don't want to recommend it, yes, we do want to recommend it but rap if you're not familiar with rock is the westside regional association of how.

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lauren siegel: I understand I understand all that I read all the documents that were linked here.

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lauren siegel: But I definitely feel as Jim mentioned that I would benefit from a background and better understanding if there's somebody more senior who's willing to take that role and share the background with us, I know I personally would really benefit from that.

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Alix: Sure i'm happy, I mean i'm happy to share i'm happy to share some of the background look rack Rack, you know if you look at some of their motions they and and this one specifically feels that.

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Alix: Well before we discuss it let's let's we should actually make sure the motion goes on the table, and then we should actually see if anyone else in the committee has questions about procedure, but does that answer your question about procedure.

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Alix: lauren.

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lauren siegel: Yet I understand what you're saying yes.

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corinne Baginski: Okay i'm.

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Alix: More new sure Corinne do you have question on procedure.

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corinne Baginski: No, I think I got it.

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Okay.

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Alix: And, as I said, I would recommend everyone take a like perusal through robert's rules of order I mean i'm still like.

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Alix: going through it again and again and again and it's not being done to be difficult it's being done to try and make the meetings move smoother and to try and be consistent with what our bylaws want.

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Alix: minutiae any questions on it.

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Now.

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Alix: So we have emotion, which is the West side.

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Michael Jensen: she's trying to talk.

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Alix: Is mirvish trying to talk.

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Alix: renews you have to unmute if you have a question.

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Alix: minutia need to unmute yourself.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah and when I read the statement, no, no, just one issue I wonder about is the financial interests of develop or what does that really exactly mean.

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Alix: Well, we have been.

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Alix: We haven't seconded the motion yet, to put it on the table.

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Mehrnoosh: Even.

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Alix: or discussion so Okay, the motion again, which is the West side regional alliance of Councils request that the City Council direct city attorney.

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Alix: Mike your to provide a legal opinion as to whether or not a city planning department and commissions have the legal right under state and city laws and ordinances to consider.

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Alix: The financial interest of the developer, when considering entitlements there you go Does anyone want to second it so we can have a discussion on the motion.

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Alix: And what's the second it.

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Alix: Great promotion sales meeting adjourned.

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Alix: i'll see everybody next Thursday.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Thank you bye.