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Alix Gucovsky: hi Jim sorry we got it.

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james murez: Okay i'm working on it.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, I can take over Jim if you just want to switch me over to host.

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Alix Gucovsky: Please think you.

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james murez: gotta find the place to do that.

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james murez: Is Chris also.

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Alix Gucovsky: Because floor.

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james murez: Is he a new member.

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Alix Gucovsky: lauren siegel or news.

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james murez: I don't see them all, yet.

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Alix Gucovsky: lauren's in there.

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james murez: there's Lord.

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james murez: So is that everybody.

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james murez: 123456789 I think that's.

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james murez: One person's missing.

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james murez: 2469 everybody's there.

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Alix Gucovsky: eight nine here.

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james murez: Okay, have a good meeting i'm going to go finish my dinner.

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Thanks.

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Alix Gucovsky: Do you want to transfer Jim the hosting to me please.

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Alix Gucovsky: hold on a minute goes.

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Alix Gucovsky: hi can you transfer the hosting over to me.

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Alix Gucovsky: No i'm just co host I i'd like I need to have the host and capabilities.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, I mean I prefer to.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Great um welcome everybody, I really appreciate it if everyone would turn on their cameras we've been asked to do this by the public, and I believe, with the ground act we're supposed to keep our cameras on as well, too, so I would love it if all the Members could do that.

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Alix Gucovsky: And I know that there's been a lot of newness going on and getting email setup and procedure and everything else and we'll we'll get there, I promise in the interim i'm going to call this meeting to order at 7:05pm with a roll call leaks i'm here Barry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Barry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Here, and could you put your camera on please Corinne.

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Alix Gucovsky: Green.

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Alix Gucovsky: Can you unmute yourself.

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corinne Baginski: Here sorry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you lauren seagull.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Matthew Royce.

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Matthew Royce: here.

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Chris Plourde: here.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, Andrew Mika.

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Alix Gucovsky: Because well.

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Michael Jensen: Hello here.

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Alix Gucovsky: and reduce.

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Mehrnoosh: Here rate.

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Alix Gucovsky: Someone want to make a motion to approve the Minutes from August 5.

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Michael Jensen: So this is a moat, this is a Minutes that only some of us were in attendance for right.

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Michael Jensen: Correct I will make the motion to approve the Minutes.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, Macau, and I will second that this is a leaks here, and I think they're only actually three of us that can vote on this so um.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah three of us so mchale i'm assuming you approve the Minutes.

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Alix Gucovsky: Yes, matt.

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Matthew Royce: I wasn't at the meeting, so I don't know if I can or not.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, and Barry.

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Michael Jensen: I think only I think it was TIM and chef and Chris onus.

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Michael Jensen: yeah and you and me so yeah only only I mean that everyone else's abstaining, so I think that's.

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Alix Gucovsky: A good thing so i'll just make a note of that in our Minutes for the agenda.

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Alix Gucovsky: The applicants Nick on 1217 ocean front lock reached out to me prior to the meeting and is not available tonight so we'll hear this at the next meeting i'm going to note that it's going to be continued to our next meeting, and I will take over from sharp so, with the exception of that.

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Alix Gucovsky: i'm going to make the motion just to approve the agenda as amended.

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Alix Gucovsky: Does anyone want to second that.

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Michael Jensen: I have a couple of questions.

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barrycassilly: dude to.

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Michael Jensen: um okay so numb Item number, you said it was the ocean front walk I well I guess i'm in different I would have to recuse from that anyway, but.

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Michael Jensen: there's No, the only staff report, I see is on Clark avenue.

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Michael Jensen: In the supporting documents.

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Michael Jensen: on whether it's the only staff report.

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Alix Gucovsky: I might see on.

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Alix Gucovsky: there's there should be Clark, and there should be sixth avenue on there.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, I see, I saw when I looked at whatever 530 I saw Clark, but I didn't see sixth avenue.

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Andrew Mika: I don't see sex I I haven't opened now.

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barrycassilly: But wait, what about oceanfront walk.

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Alix Gucovsky: Here, where you're not listening.

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barrycassilly: So it was pulled because the applicant can't be here, but was there were a staff report for it, you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Know i'm going to take that over it was pulled I didn't upload it for that reason.

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barrycassilly: Oh was pulled earlier.

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Alix Gucovsky: It was pulled it was pulled yesterday, and so I didn't I didn't apply that okay.

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Michael Jensen: And there's so there's no staff report for D one.

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Michael Jensen: And I well I assume there's no staff report for the discussion items either, but that that seems fine.

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Michael Jensen: there's no.

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Alix Gucovsky: there's there should be there, supporting materials for D one and No stock report on the Rack minutes, other than the.

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Alix Gucovsky: Excuse me, other than the.

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Alix Gucovsky: items that are up there.

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barrycassilly: Well, I would like to pull the from the agenda and send it back to ourselves, until we have a staff report.

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Alix Gucovsky: And they're talking to be a staff report, other than what's on the on the.

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Alix Gucovsky: On the document.

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barrycassilly: Then I would I would know to pull it.

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Alix Gucovsky: Very we're not pulling things that are rack machines.

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barrycassilly: We can pull anything from the agenda, we want to.

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Alix Gucovsky: Know that's not what we're gonna do we're not going to have a repeat of last year.

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barrycassilly: Yes, we can, if we if we vote on it.

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Michael Jensen: No So can I ask, can I ask.

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Michael Jensen: A question here, though, like why can't we just like we did with sb 330 I don't know if that was last year, the year before, but why can't we actually look at the.

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Michael Jensen: At Constitutional Amendment seven, and what it's and and do a you know, an objective analysis assign it to staff and then come out because there's no the city plan or the city planning files or city council files pardon me.

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Michael Jensen: Reference the old wiener bills a to seven and and 50 there is an actually a.

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Michael Jensen: City Council file for this constitutional amendment at least the ones listed weren't weren't.

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Michael Jensen: So why don't we just do this like we were creating a position and a Community impact statement on it.

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barrycassilly: Like her, that.

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Alix Gucovsky: We can do that as well to we can do our own community and click save and then we can also decide whether or not we want to support the Rack motion.

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Alix Gucovsky: Will well.

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barrycassilly: I think I think it makes sense to decide whether we support the Rack motion or not, as long as it comes as long as the Committee does it work does its work, and we have a staff report and discussion, then we decided upon motions, rather than the other way around.

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Alix Gucovsky: I disagree with that on the Rack motion but it's clear i'm going to be outnumbered here so whatever whatever you guys want I don't know why the staff report on.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sixth avenue didn't upload and I can certainly put it up and read it, and this has already been delayed twice the project materials are up because I did upload it, so I will upload it again, right now, or we can read it.

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Michael Jensen: I mean, with all of the adjustments that are requesting, I mean I haven't seen the staff report, but I would imagine that this is the kind of thing that actually is going to take.

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Michael Jensen: The liberation and I suspect that there's a number of there's public comments on it, and so we hear it again tonight, only to continue because we don't have the staff report.

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Michael Jensen: Like why don't we just there.

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Alix Gucovsky: Is there is there is a staff report and it's a very brief it's a very brief staff report so um you know I can I can upload it right now, or I can certainly read it.

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barrycassilly: You have it.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah I have it, I don't know, as I said, I don't know why it wasn't uploading but I thought.

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barrycassilly: Well, wait a minute just to go back for one half a second, so we somebody will be assigned staff on this constitutional.

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Alix Gucovsky: I have taken the um.

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Alix Gucovsky: I will do the staff report on the constitutional amendment.

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Michael Jensen: All right, on a CA seven.

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Michael Jensen: So D one.

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Michael Jensen: So we continue to you one until I mean, are you going to bring it back at the end of the month with.

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Alix Gucovsky: bring it back at the end of the month.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, and then.

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Michael Jensen: See is continued so we're left with the.

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Michael Jensen: A and B and then A and B and since a didn't have a staff report for the Committee or the public I think it's prudent to continue it, but I mean other committee members can speak up but.

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Alix Gucovsky: Well, I think.

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Michael Jensen: we've been down this road.

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Alix Gucovsky: I mean, I think that we've had all the materials and stuff report is very, very brief um I, I feel that.

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Alix Gucovsky: we've already there's already been a city hearing and they're waiting for our input, so I feel if we delay it again, it will be challenging but if everybody wants to continue it, we can certainly continue it.

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barrycassilly: But is the applicant ready tonight.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, all right well let's hear them them.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, so the.

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Chris Plourde: Agenda

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Chris Plourde: For name one is available.

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Chris Plourde: Tonight I thought you just said that they weren't.

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Michael Jensen: No, that was for ocean.

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Alix Gucovsky: office not available that's going to be continued to the next one.

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Alix Gucovsky: Correct.

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Alix Gucovsky: So it's A and B and B is not is not asking for exemptions and a is a trickier one and My guess is there a lot of people that are here that want to.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so I would propose this i'll make a motion to approve the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: To to continue everything except for nine and nine be until the next is that at the fourth Thursday or third Thursday of the month.

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Alix Gucovsky: So we're going to have a meeting so everybody's aware we're having a meeting.

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Alix Gucovsky: On the.

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Alix Gucovsky: 21 i'm going to tell you what the schedule is.

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Alix Gucovsky: We have a meeting on the 23rd, I believe, and on the 30th is.

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barrycassilly: One of those is a Community plan meeting, though right.

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Alix Gucovsky: Beer we're not going to get into what everything is on the meetings but i'm telling you the schedule that we have a meeting on the 23rd and we have a meeting on the 30th.

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Michael Jensen: So let's just say it's continued no later than the 30th.

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Michael Jensen: Those things and then, so the agenda is amended as follows.

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Michael Jensen: Nine C.

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Michael Jensen: And nine D.

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Michael Jensen: Are continued and that leaves.

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Michael Jensen: A, B and E discussion items for sb nine and 10 right.

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Alix Gucovsky: Correct so our second.

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Alix Gucovsky: And i'll take a roll call on that Barry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Corinne.

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Alix Gucovsky: lauren.

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Alix Gucovsky: i'm sorry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Yes, thank you now.

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Matthew Royce: Yes.

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Chris Plourde: Chris yes.

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Alix Gucovsky: And Jamaica.

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Andrew Mika: Yes, i'm.

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Alix Gucovsky: More news.

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Mehrnoosh: Yes, great.

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Alix Gucovsky: And anyone with conflicts of interest or ex parte communications.

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Alix Gucovsky: So for me, I speak to all the applicants and all the staff and people from the community that call in on projects for everything on the agenda.

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Matthew Royce: I spoke briefly to the applicant for case be wherever stuff.

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Alix Gucovsky: else.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay cnc reports, so the cmc reports we're going to do things a little differently this year so that we have a lot more transparency and things not falling through the cracks.

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Alix Gucovsky: And all the projects that get printed out in the every you know bi monthly and people have been asking me this from the committee.

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Alix Gucovsky: i've asked for the cnc reports to be sent to everybody, so we can see them will make them available to the public i'll make sure they're organized so that it's only for CD 11 right now we have it, for all the CDS.

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Alix Gucovsky: But this way if the public has any any project that they feel really, really strongly about that they want.

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Alix Gucovsky: That they want heard, they can chime in on that and we can weigh in on that right now the projects on the cnc reports are 628 sunset 355 fifth avenue seven of seven East crust for.

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Alix Gucovsky: 58 East paloma South Pacific 1102 grand 2433.

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Alix Gucovsky: South Brian 600 East Venice 511 Eastern Alto 2321 2776 sunset and 644 sunset so i'm going to open this up for public comment for anyone in the public that wants to speak about any of the projects that are on the scene see reports, I see one hand raised.

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Alix Gucovsky: I see two hands raised.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, two hands raised and then we're closing public comment Robin.

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RobinRudisill: Robin rid itself i'd recommend that you hear the 628 sunsets mala subdivision.

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RobinRudisill: The 335 fifth they're going from two units to one which is an issue.

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RobinRudisill: The 600 Venice i'm not sure what restaurant that is so maybe some of you might know if it's significant and should be heard.

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RobinRudisill: 511 reality so it's very confusing maybe you should look into that 2321 Abbot kinney yes and 644 cents at Ave yes it's a it's a pretty interesting overhyped fence case worth hearing, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Robin.

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Michael Jensen: Few of those cases i've been assigned so.

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Michael Jensen: Correct you're welcome Robin.

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Alix Gucovsky: And Mike bravo.

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Mike Bravo: hello, can you hear me.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah.

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Mike Bravo: Oh cool just add good afternoon might bravo dnc Members because myself right now, though just want to say hello and greetings to all the new team members hope it's up productive and.

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Mike Bravo: You know, respectful process next year to that we have to so just want to welcome you guys and just say hello, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: And i'm closing public comment on this item now.

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Mike Bravo: Great.

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Alix Gucovsky: So a few other things, procedures and how we're going to move moving forward so again i'd like everybody to have cameras on the we've been asked to do this by the city.

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Alix Gucovsky: And the Community has asked for this as well to.

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Alix Gucovsky: In future we're going to do, and this is going to go back to sort of the robert's rules of orders i've sort of been talking this through with daffodil.

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Alix Gucovsky: we're going to read emotion whoever's doing staff on a project is going to read the motion and we're going to have a second, so we can start discussing it.

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Alix Gucovsky: After the motion has been made will have public comment on the projects last motion, and then the apathy can come and speak, and we can either amend that motion approve that motion.

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Alix Gucovsky: or deny the motion I think it's going to make the meetings run smoother and I think it's going to be more in keeping with how the board does things as well to i'm on the cnc report some of these things have been.

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Alix Gucovsky: assigned already actually most of them have and to answer robbins question about 600 status, there is a CP request in there and blue Pack is traditionally taken the position that anything that has a CP request, we should here so that is.

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Alix Gucovsky: Why we're hearing it and it is the old.

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Alix Gucovsky: it's the old zig on the corner of.

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Alix Gucovsky: Abbot kinney and Venice boulevard.

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Alix Gucovsky: And so, with that we're going to move on, for public comment on anything not related on the agenda tonight, so if anyone has public comment on anything not related to the agenda, please, please raise your hand and.

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Alix Gucovsky: we'll go from there.

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Alix Gucovsky: I see two hands up.

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Alix Gucovsky: Great.

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Alix Gucovsky: And Helen fallon.

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Alix Gucovsky: Yes, first comment.

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Helen Fallon: I like to come out that the discussion of an agenda item during the approval of the agenda.

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Helen Fallon: is not acceptable and as against all the rules and needs to stop it's a waste of time you can't make decisions about agenda items until the agenda item comes up.

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Helen Fallon: And you know mchale knock it off, you know it's just it's just ridiculous that all this time gets spent discussing the agenda, all it is is approving the order of the agenda.

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Helen Fallon: By by making motions to postpone things you're basically taking away the public's ability to comment on a project, maybe, no one agrees that.

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Helen Fallon: You don't want it, that maybe everyone wants to discuss sb nine and 10 right now, so I think it's time for people to start following the Rules, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Helen.

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Alix Gucovsky: And Erica more.

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Erica Moore: hi can you hear me.

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Alix Gucovsky: We can.

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Erica Moore: Okay, great hi there everybody, I just want to welcome everybody, the new board, and I wish all of you well and i'm excited to observe a new year new next couple of years i'm really looking and hoping to see a lot of.

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Erica Moore: thoughtful discourse and the interest of Venice and its preservation to happen, I really hope everybody here wants to see our amazing little you know place preserved so thanks so much and.

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Erica Moore: Good luck tonight.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: And with that we are closing public comment on non agenda items.

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Alix Gucovsky: And we're going to move on to 350 sixth avenue.

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Alix Gucovsky: And I think I see the.

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Alix Gucovsky: applicants in the audience i'm going to push them into panelists so they can talk about this project and share.

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Alix Gucovsky: Co and Walter yes.

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kole strebel: hi thanks for having us.

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Alix Gucovsky: Do I need to put water in as well to.

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Walter Reyes: Please hi Thank you.

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Walter Reyes: for having us.

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Alix Gucovsky: And if you need to share screen feel free to do that, please.

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Alix Gucovsky: Walter it's not letting me put you in as a panelist but there you go.

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Walter Reyes: Can you guys see me now.

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Walter Reyes: Hello.

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Chris Plourde: I can see you.

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Walter Reyes: So you guess when I see.

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Walter Reyes: The plans okay.

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Walter Reyes: If you guys want to see the plans, I believe, someone is to give make me a host.

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Alix Gucovsky: you're not share Walter, you should be able to share.

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Walter Reyes: And I sure.

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Michael Jensen: Did I miss the part where we make, are we making a motion to.

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Alix Gucovsky: going to do that on moving forward on that that's moving forward.

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Michael Jensen: Oh gotcha.

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Walter Reyes: um yeah i'm not able to share anything.

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Walter Reyes: Healthy stable participants screen sharing.

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Alix Gucovsky: hold on jim's gotta.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sorry, Walter, I think this is because Jim is staying on his host and i'm co hosting and I don't have the ability.

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Alix Gucovsky: to let you share.

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Walter Reyes: Oh, I see well, I mean we just wanted to present our project and and see that you guys understand what we're trying to do our project is a small house in the corner of a flower court alley and 356 avenue.

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Walter Reyes: And our property is a very small House is about 644 square feet and our proposal is to DEMO the House and rebuild a new one.

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Walter Reyes: Up to three stories.

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Walter Reyes: To be able to have a new 3092 square feet.

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Walter Reyes: It single family residence and we also will be providing a two car garage attached to the House and then open a garage next to the House.

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Walter Reyes: And all shown on the on the plans that we provided.

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Walter Reyes: A our Max height a it's a little under 33 feet.

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Walter Reyes: For our type of roof we're allowed to build a up to 30 feet and we're requesting a 10%.

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Walter Reyes: increase, which is an additional three feet so that's what we're using for that.

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Walter Reyes: we're not encroaching into the front yard so we're still leaving.

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Walter Reyes: A good 18 feet 10 inches from the front property line so our House is set back enough.

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Walter Reyes: From the front and.

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Walter Reyes: Three and 675 yards we're keeping five feet on the side and we're requesting the real Yar to be reduced from 15 feet to five feet and we're still leaving enough room to be able to walk around the entire property.

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Walter Reyes: And our design is a modern design a.

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Walter Reyes: Is what the client would like to do a a.

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Walter Reyes: Is what the client would like to build a modern design building and we have provided elevations and we're trying to do what other neighbors have done in the same neighborhood there are multiple properties.

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Walter Reyes: i'm six avenue the shows that is that the show modern design and we're staying within those.

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Walter Reyes: That design format at the moment, the House will be changed from a from a small craftsman style home to a three story craftsman home.

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kole strebel: If I may just add a little bit to that essentially what's you know, going to be a great thing about what we're doing is is that currently we have no.

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kole strebel: garage or or anything off street parking so by us building this House we're actually going to be able to get our cars.

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kole strebel: off the street kind of providing more street parking which will be nice, especially given this area being so close to rows and everything The other thing to keep in mind is the reason why we're asking to push the House back towards the rear property line.

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kole strebel: and create a little bit of a front yard, as you guys know a lot of the houses and stuff in Venice, even the new ones.

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kole strebel: don't really have any yard space in it all so that's kind of what we're doing here is kind of making an effort to have a little bit of a yard.

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kole strebel: Given the size of our lot being so small as you guys may know, we have roughly about a 3000 square foot lot which sits on a corner, which is kind of small.

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kole strebel: But with That being said, the other reason that we're asking for the additional few feet and the height is simply so that we don't have to push the House into the ground.

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kole strebel: even further may you know which, if you have a subterranean first floor which a lot of the my neighbors doing stuff like that over off of sunset and different things.

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kole strebel: that's just a design preference that we'd like to try to stay away from because if you end up putting the first floor.

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kole strebel: subterranean as you guys know you then need a sub pump the service first floor as well, and we want to try to stay away from from additional sub pumps and things like that, if we can so that's the reason why we're asking for those few exceptions.

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kole strebel: I would like to point out that a few of our neighbors at.

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kole strebel: i've got another neighbor over here on flower as they all have properties that are the same height so it's not like i'm going to be.

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kole strebel: Some sort of crazy towering structure or anything like that, here in Venice.

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kole strebel: The other thing is too is like some of those other neighbors they're more recent projects that have also been approved by.

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kole strebel: Planning and stuff like that so i'm not trying to do anything out of the norm here anything super crazy.

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kole strebel: The other thing is too is the overall design concept is kind of like your traditional beach style house where it's got the white siding with the black windows.

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kole strebel: we're not doing anything you know creative past that as far as our overall exterior facade so just wanted to kind of throw those few things in appreciate the time tonight.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Walter, you should be able to share this project to both the Community and the committee right now, could you try and get your share content would be helpful to see the streetscapes the plans, etc, I think, for all of us, even though it's been uploaded.

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Walter Reyes: got it okay.

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Alix Gucovsky: I think it.

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kole strebel: Is there we go.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Walter Reyes: Let me try.

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Walter Reyes: The right.

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Walter Reyes: Alright So here we have.

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Walter Reyes: Our cover sheet, we have the assistance I plan on the left.

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kole strebel: And the proposal hey brother, for some reason we're seeing page.

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kole strebel: 10 of the plants.

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Walter Reyes: Oh, I see.

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Walter Reyes: It I think it's a little bit of time to load.

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Walter Reyes: Can you guys still see pinch them.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah yeah.

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Walter Reyes: page one.

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Walter Reyes: Okay, there you go, so this is page one, and on the left, we have the existence, I plan on the right, we have the proposed site plan.

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Walter Reyes: And on the right of the of the heading, here we have a the existing building the lot size is about it's sure of 3000 square feet what we're proposing to do on each floor.

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Walter Reyes: And to be to have a total of 3000 square foot we're also providing a two car garage and we have a rooftop deck but it's part of the third story.

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Walter Reyes: We also are providing proposing an open parking space a 15 feet by eight foot on the front part of the property but it's within a access from the alley so that we're not be in an any additional driveways on sixth avenue.

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Walter Reyes: On the next page is here, we show a little bit more detail on the sentence and the requirements and the red line the sense spl does the setbacks.

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Walter Reyes: On the front we're required to do 15 feet, but we're providing 18 feet at 10 inches and the sides because of the height of the building we're required to do six foot six inches and we're proposing five foot in the rear is 15 footer back and we're proposing five foot step back.

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Walter Reyes: And the next few sheets were showing the DEMO plan we're going to be tearing down the existing buildings and then we have the proposed plan with all the.

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Walter Reyes: All the designs of the garage the main first floor level, and the second floor, we can have a additional bedrooms and on the top floor we're going to have the kitchen living room and the rooftop deck, which is part of the third floor.

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Walter Reyes: We provide a landscape planning the front, so we can have a lot of greenery the parking space that we're providing the front it's also going to have a premium or pavers so we can still have water permeate through.

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Walter Reyes: We also have a roof plan showing all the roof, and how we're addressing drainage for the roof down to the property we're providing.

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Walter Reyes: A landscape in whatever crevice we can find on the property, we have very intense we're going to try to keep those out of sight a, we have to so far and we have a planter.

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Walter Reyes: We also have the elevations, and this is where we can see the design of the property, and this will be the.

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Walter Reyes: The South facing will be the front entry.

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Walter Reyes: And this is what we're thinking of doing, and you can see here the heights and the Max allowed for very roof is 30 feet and we're requesting an increase of 10% so we're going all the way up to three foot and that's the create mostly the the shape of the roof.

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Walter Reyes: We have open guardrails.

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Walter Reyes: And we also showed this East elevation as well to show what is the height from the Center line of the street, and this was verified also through a survey.

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Walter Reyes: And again, this shows a clearly that allowed height is 30 thing and we're requesting 10% for a total of 33 feet and is how we were able to fit a three floors and this property.

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Walter Reyes: right here, which shows the section of of the entire building and we also have a basement of about 1000 square feet, we have the basement we showed the garage which are the the second floor, which is the bedrooms and the kitchen and living room is going to be on the top floor.

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Walter Reyes: We show here some some renderings to show what we're thinking of how we can do the exterior of the building and and how the roof is sloped how we're thinking of parking.

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Walter Reyes: And the fence around the property and we're trying to stay within the code requirements of it with regards to the heights.

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Walter Reyes: And we also show here a different properties in the area, the shows very heights a to show that our property is roughly 33 feet.

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Walter Reyes: And there's other properties that are a little bit higher like this property i'm sure you guys have seen this one here on the property, this is a three story building and is quite tall.

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Walter Reyes: And there's also another building here on the far corner of that same street that is also has a little corner that you know continuous increasing and it's also three stories.

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Walter Reyes: Across the street on Vernon avenue, we also have this other property that is three stories tall.

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Walter Reyes: And this is to show a Venice specific plan area, how we were able to arrive to the building height.

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Walter Reyes: And then the other pages, you know we we already started doing the engineering the all the engineering for the project is is complete.

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Walter Reyes: So this was just the structural plans if you get some questions regarding that I can answer any anything you guys need a regarding the property, you know.

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Michael Jensen: I have some questions.

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Alix Gucovsky: For you, but we.

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Alix Gucovsky: Can we can we wait, please sorry, thank you.

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Walter Reyes: And you know, basically, this is what we're planning to do this is the shape of the property and, and this is what we would like to get approved.

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Walter Reyes: Through building and safety and the Community.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, is that is that all Walter.

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Alix Gucovsky: Yes, okay mchale i'm going to open it up to public comment first and then i'm sure we all have a lot of questions, I know I certainly do so i'm opening this up to the public.

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Alix Gucovsky: For comment, so please raise your hands.

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Alix Gucovsky: You see 12345 1-234-567-8910 11 okay we're gonna get started on public comment The first one is Mike bravo.

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Alix Gucovsky: Make.

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Alix Gucovsky: Mike.

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Mike Bravo: Okay sorry I didn't see the mute button wasn't.

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Mike Bravo: Right up and up so Hello yeah you know so i'm sending email in and i'm also an alliance with the about eight neighbors here who are you know very um I guess offended at this project and so many reasons and.

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Mike Bravo: it's to keep you in keep a straight face, during the presentation was very dishonest you know for men, I was kind of thinking like maybe some people just kind of ignorant to the.

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Mike Bravo: Social neighborhood dynamics here, but a lot of that presentation was very, very dishonest and i'm very disappointed in my neighbors and then the architect.

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Mike Bravo: Was remember to visit sublet division it's not a full proper the other properties are referenced are like full lot, this is a subplot division and they want to go it's going to be taxing on the.

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Mike Bravo: On the infrastructure, the variances are just ridiculous, I mean I there's no way you guys could approve this on just the way it would get past coastal and just I want to integrate I sent an email into so hope you guys got it and we plan to fight this until it becomes.

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Mike Bravo: Back in the parameters of respect for the Community and for the infrastructure in this neighborhood Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, my.

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Alix Gucovsky: Helen fallon.

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Helen Fallon: I like to say that lots of.

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Alix Gucovsky: oops sorry Helen.

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Alix Gucovsky: Helen.

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Alix Gucovsky: Helen sorry sorry sorry, do you want to start over.

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Helen Fallon: Okay yeah i'm you.

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Alix Gucovsky: know I apologize start.

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Helen Fallon: Okay that's fine, I just want to say that lots of us do live on small lots and we managed to live without variances on this this.

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Helen Fallon: Man why they you know, asking for extra height limits only results in higher and higher height limits, because then everybody comes in, as well look at this person was 33 I only want another foot.

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Helen Fallon: And pretty soon 30 feet is irrelevant and the same applies to the variances of the setback, I thought it was very interesting that they've.

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Helen Fallon: they're saying that well the front set back an extra three feet, but then, on the other hand, they want a whole lot more in the back, so he would have been at least if you know you felt like there was shifting the building.

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Helen Fallon: Three feet back I could understand and this MSI variances you can allow this is a safety issues, I mean they're building a really tall building there's a reason why you have these side yard setbacks and they shouldn't be allowed to.

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Helen Fallon: Get exemptions to this, I hope you deny it, because it's bad precedent, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Robin.

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RobinRudisill: hi Robin rid of self you know this kind of reminds me of something that would go in Manhattan beach.

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RobinRudisill: You know just wanting to make the House.

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RobinRudisill: On the small lot as big as the ones on the lots twice the size and basic planning just doesn't allow that these are very significant variances.

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RobinRudisill: Projects like this with significant height and yard variances or yard adjustments or what happened to mildred and you see what that looks like.

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RobinRudisill: I don't think they can meet the findings as strict adherence to the zoning regulations is not impractical or infeasible and I just think it's too much thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Robin.

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Alix Gucovsky: sharp.

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Shepard Stern: hi can you hear me.

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Alix Gucovsky: We can.

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Shepard Stern: I shift stern here i'm concerned about the basement I think in.

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Shepard Stern: In in light of the climate activity that we're seeing around the world in our nation, we should do everything we can do to discourage the ongoing trend of building basements.

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Shepard Stern: I think it's a big mistake, not only to the Community, because of the watering that's involved, but to the homeowner it's a false it's a false positive, you will anything that's down there will be flooded when the tsunami comes and the tsunami will come.

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Shepard Stern: So I urge my my new Lou peck team here to.

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Shepard Stern: Really really stand strong for the future of Venice, we need to start building homes on stilts not basements Thank you very much.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you shop.

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Alix Gucovsky: Elizabeth right.

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Alix Gucovsky: Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth Wright: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: You know how.

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Elizabeth Wright: This appears to be an instance, when the designs were made, and then the objective was to find out what code tend to be bent in order to enable the design.

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Elizabeth Wright: To get a feel for how big five feet is i'm five feet three inches tall if I spread my arms then from tip to tip it six feet.

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Elizabeth Wright: I could not even spread my arms in the area allotted and the the roof, when you ask when you say you have to build it taller because if you don't, then you will not qualify for 30 feet that's that's kind of a stretch Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Elizabeth.

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Alix Gucovsky: Man Mayra winter Ray I hope I pronounced that correctly.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: hi can you hear me.

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Alix Gucovsky: We can.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: hi a wonderful hi it's Mera and not my hair but that's okay Thank you so much for hearing from me and I really appreciate all the comments by the previous people I won't take up anyone's time by.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: repeating what they've already said, I feel like there are a few things that I can add to this we are the Homeowners and neighbors to the south of the developers and question on.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: One of the things that that kind of blew my mind when I was listening to Walter talk, with all due respect, was whether or not he had ever actually visited this site.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: The sites that he mentioned as being comparable in height are lots that are two to three PSI two to three times in size to this lot, this is a lot.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: That is a subdivided lot, it is a 3000 square foot lot it was originally on the same lot is my house and the House that is just the task of mine it's not designed for this sort of thing.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: More importantly, though, I want to go on to talk about what this is really about, and this is not really about people wanting to build their dream home or a home that they want to live in this is about people who.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: Targeted a property specifically to purchase it live in it for long enough to avoid tax issues and to flip it.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: And that is why they are asking for these exceptions, they listed this property for sale in February of 2021 stating that these plans that were discussing now had already been approved.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: And, stating that the sellers company would make these things come true for whoever the buyer was I can read for you from this, but the.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: The listing included seller has stunning modern postal plans approved as it may 2021 plans include a four bedroom six bath just over.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: 4100 square feet of living space three spacious levels with the top floor having big ocean views from the kitchen and.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: A first ever subterranean basement which they failed to mention when they talked about this in fact they said they were not going subterranean, which is a major major problem with this.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you ma'am.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay finished closed wrapping up, please.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: Oh i'm sorry that.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: was a few.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: A few streets from hit Venice hangouts with three exclamation points.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: I don't feel that this is fair to those of us who have been a part of this Community.

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Mehera Hunter-Reay: And to care about our neighbors and care about I mean it's a beautiful property and then people would love that property as it is, and there are ways that you can build on it and make it larger and preserve that the beautiful Venice architecture of the 1920s.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: shauna Ryan.

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sean obrien: Oh yeah hi sorry I was late to the meeting I just wanted to let everybody know very, very, very important meeting coming up with plum oh.

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Alix Gucovsky: This isn't about the project i'm sorry i'm gonna have to remove your permission.

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Alix Gucovsky: i'm Erica more.

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Erica Moore: I there, this is Erica um I absolutely excellent agree with the.

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Erica Moore: caller's before me, and I have to say I almost laughed when Robin said what she said, because I wrote on my thing that was in Manhattan beach that's exactly what I thought to.

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Erica Moore: My biggest question a takeaway from this is, this is a perfect example.

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Erica Moore: of people using properties that first of all, are very ugly and not in the character of Venice as examples of why they should be able to do what they want to do, which is not in line with what already is here in the term of our amazing little community.

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Erica Moore: of people don't like the guidelines that exists for building your, why are they buying property here.

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Erica Moore: They need to buy it somewhere else, where they can do what they want that's my opinion on that I also feel like.

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Erica Moore: How many of your neighbors actually do support this, I see a lot of neighbors that don't and I think that that has to be taken into consideration, it is not there to all the surrounding neighbors to lose their views and to be at risk of having to be this place.

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Erica Moore: That has happened, right here, where I am.

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Alix Gucovsky: And thank you.

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Erica Moore: Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Erica.

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Alix Gucovsky: And our last is cj.

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CJmacbook: Okay um number one, I agree with everything that's been said couple of things, first of all, the design of this is such that the House appears from the street, to be three feet higher.

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CJmacbook: This is a typical architectural design way of getting around our height limit they make it a sloped roof.

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CJmacbook: And the slope goes ascend so that the House is taller from the viewpoint of the street, secondly there's no reason anybody needs to build this on this slide if that's what these people wanted there are lots of places in Venice, you can buy a lot.

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CJmacbook: A House with a lot for you know 48 5200 square feet right in their same neighborhood they don't need this kind of a house with a basement on this little bitty locked they should sell one little bitty lot and buy a lot it's big enough put this House on.

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CJmacbook: I think that's enough said.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you cj and with that I am closing public comment.

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Alix Gucovsky: yep public comment is closed, and I think that there are many on the committee who have questions so.

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Alix Gucovsky: Everyone could raise their hand and mchale's went up.

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Alix Gucovsky: First anyone asked in order, reason and you Barry second who else.

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Alix Gucovsky: Andrew Mika okay so we're going to start there and I would ask, please that like we don't we keep our comments some.

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Alix Gucovsky: comments and questions short mchale.

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Michael Jensen: Okay i'll i'll start off with my my initial observation, when you were showing comps uptight was was that they were, if not all multifamily apartment buildings.

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Michael Jensen: You know all but one was, and so I don't think that's a real fair comparison to to the height of this this unit The next thing I would say is I didn't hear anything in the presentation about the findings warranting the adjustments, I think this is a lot of adjustments to be asking for.

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Michael Jensen: So I would just ask that the applicant or the architect you just get into justifying why all these adjustments are being asked, rather than simply building a house that fits the.

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Michael Jensen: Existing footprint that's allowed and maybe you're asking for you know some minor adjustments, but collectively, these are.

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Michael Jensen: You know this is a House that does not fit in the in the envelope.

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Michael Jensen: that's it.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you may tell one more one more thing was any Community outreach conducted that's my last one.

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Alix Gucovsky: And and Walter I respectfully ask that you hold off and just make a note on these questions, so that we can get through everybody's questions and comments, please, and next is Barry.

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barrycassilly: i'm the berry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Very we can't hear you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Very good.

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barrycassilly: The picture, can you hear me now.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah now we can thank you, the.

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barrycassilly: picture that was up on the screen just disappeared um.

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barrycassilly: Is it possible to bring that back.

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Alix Gucovsky: Walter, can you bring that back.

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barrycassilly: Thank you i'm.

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barrycassilly: i'm a little bit confused about.

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barrycassilly: i'm not looking at Google maps, but it looks like the.

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barrycassilly: there's a corner lot and the rear er that's being referenced um where they're asking for the reduction um the rear yard and the the front yard seem to be perpendicular to each other, the White car i'm wondering, the White cars in the front yard right.

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barrycassilly: So that's a question um.

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barrycassilly: and

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barrycassilly: I have a comment but it's weird sort of mixing up questions with comments um so if the House was sunk three feet in terms of heights so that an adjustment was not necessary for three extra fields.

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barrycassilly: Since there's a basement already you know I just i'd like to hear an explanation for why that's compelling the interesting there's already going to be like some pumps in there.

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barrycassilly: Three more feet I don't think that's going to make a difference that can be more sump pumps are not can be bigger um.

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barrycassilly: It just one's weird comment this people I love modern architecture.

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barrycassilly: But this was referred to as a craftsman house i'm not looking at craftsman House here um unless i'm.

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Really mistaken.

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Alix Gucovsky: demolish very no.

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barrycassilly: No, this was referred to as a craftsman house in the presentation um so anyway, I mean I don't just like with the way the House looks but I might so my comment would be you know, everybody knows that I disagree with Helen felon always.

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barrycassilly: Like Barry.

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barrycassilly: What Let me finish my comment, please.

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Alix Gucovsky: Andrew you're going to be next please Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Andrea.

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yeah.

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Andrew Mika: I guess, I want to echo mchale's comment about Community outreach I don't know if any of that was conducted um I also in my understanding, I believe that applicant mentioned they park their cars on the street, because they don't have a garage currently.

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Andrew Mika: It was my understanding of the current the project there currently does have a garage and I was looking for some clarification on that I believe it's off the alleyway.

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Andrew Mika: And I read in one of the documents admitted that the this project could displace neighbors i'd like clarification on that please if that's true or not, if it is that's a whole separate issue that needs to be addressed um and then.

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Andrew Mika: My last comment was, I know there are a number of examples used and shown about various buildings in the area with the higher requirements are building and I think is rather than just showing us pictures of the front of buildings, including a multi family complex, which is.

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Andrew Mika: An apples to a cardboard box comparison is not even the same universe um.

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Andrew Mika: i'd like to see where these other properties.

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Are.

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Andrew Mika: In relation to this project if there are any Jason and or closely surrounding rather than just referencing six avenue, which is all long street those are the end of my questions, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Any other questions from committee members.

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Alix Gucovsky: I don't see anyone.

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Alix Gucovsky: I i'm Barry I will unmute you, but I want you to remember that the dnc guidelines are we are to serve the Community, so please no disparaging remarks to members of the Community, and please keep your comments brief.

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barrycassilly: I didn't make any disparaging comments, and please do not turn me off like that anymore what I was going to say was that I always disagree with Helen um, but in this case.

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barrycassilly: I think she made some good points, and I do think that is one thing when people draw a project that conforms to the Venice Pacific plan.

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barrycassilly: We really have nothing to say about that um but the minute people start asking for variances and exceptions.

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barrycassilly: that's what we're here, for we have a lot to say about that, and if there are multiple variances and exceptions, it is legitimate to look at those in terms of the precedent, they set.

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barrycassilly: um and also to michael's point it's very legitimate to to ask like what what is the hardship that's being addressed here um and haven't really heard.

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barrycassilly: The applicants address this satisfactorily on either count and but I mean i'm so i'd like to hear that Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you anybody else have from the committee have questions comments.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, so, in the interest of time I think mchale mentioned most of what I brought up and I guess My final question is mellow is there a mellow determination to be had here.

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Alix Gucovsky: Because I do understand that there were two houses on there it's questionable whether it was house or garage or house and the guest House so i'd love that.

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Alix Gucovsky: addressed as well also so Walter, if you want to address I guess the extensive questions and comments from the committee that would be helpful, thank you.

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kole strebel: actually want did you want me to field some of this first I think a lot of this might be directed for john I.

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Walter Reyes: guess go ahead call.

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kole strebel: I mean i'm so first of all to clarify what we currently have right now.

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kole strebel: We have a small dwelling and when we purchased the property, the garage that is a three car garage had previously already been converted to living quarters.

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kole strebel: So that's our current situation is that we, to clarify our current parking situation is that we're parking both on the street and in our front yard.

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kole strebel: Because I actually would put in like a side gate off of the alley.

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kole strebel: After we purchased the property.

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kole strebel: And so we can actually pull our cars in which we've been doing, because of the recent vandalism and stuff going on i'm sure you guys have heard with the tire flashings and people stealing car tires and stuff like that so.

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kole strebel: we've been actually pulling the cars in the front yard, of the current property right now and that's our current living situation right now.

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kole strebel: hope that kind of helps clarify a little bit of that and the other thing too is keeping in mind like we could build this exact property if we push it down in the ground as you guys mentioned.

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kole strebel: i'm trying to avoid that.

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kole strebel: it's mainly because we don't want our first floor to be subterranean in the event that there is some sort of a situation where a sub pump goes out or whatever we really don't want our first floor to be flooded, as you guys mentioned.

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kole strebel: About basement, I think, is something that we could tolerate we could deal with like we're gonna have carpet down there.

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kole strebel: we're going to keep it into something that could be clean, in the event of the sub punk goes out or fails and doesn't and you know we get a flood situation.

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kole strebel: So that's really the reason that we're asking for the height is because we really don't want that first floor to be subterranean simply for the reason that.

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kole strebel: In the event of some cells or something happens your first four gets flooded, as well as your basement so just your basement so that's really what we're after there.

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kole strebel: The other thing regarding displacing neighbors and stuff like that.

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kole strebel: Part of the process that we go through with the city required us to notice all the neighbors and stuff that we were doing construction because we're within so far, if their houses.

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kole strebel: So I think that's in regards to kind of what you're talking about or had that question regarding displacing the neighbors.

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kole strebel: The other thing that i'd like everybody to know out there in the Community, as well as the committee is that before we actually designed this House and did everything like my wife and I spent a lot of time walking the neighborhood and looking around at what we wanted to do.

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kole strebel: One of the things we did in our due diligence was that we checked to see how far we are above the water table.

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kole strebel: Currently, right now we are sitting over 50 feet above the water table, so the water table would have to rise 50 feet, for us to be underwater in our basement.

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kole strebel: Can that happen not even arguing that it could happen one day I don't i'm not going to go there, but we are significantly higher than the wire tabor currently is that's why we elected to have a basement because that is something that can give us additional space and things like that.

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kole strebel: The other thing just kind of addressing that comment about us listing the property.

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kole strebel: Yes, we did this property, we got very discouraged during this process it's been delayed it's taking a really long time I think if you guys look at our actual history here.

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kole strebel: we've been going through city planning and mellow and all that kind of stuff there was a melody involved in at one point and.

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kole strebel: We did get discouraged and then we had the issue with all the vagrants and the vandalism and all these different things, and so, as a result, we just thought hey.

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kole strebel: Maybe we should just try to sell the House and maybe move, and we were actually unsuccessful in selling the House nobody wanted it for us, we probably would have sold it so as a result, you know, this is where we are and so.

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kole strebel: Like I said it was just one of those things where we got discouraged during the process and that's why I kind of went up for self time and I don't own a construction company i'd like to go on the record for that I work for one but, but that is what it is and the.

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kole strebel: The other thing is it worth the hardship, is that so many properties in Venice when you build within the setbacks five, I think the setbacks or six feet on the sides.

534
01:04:39.210 --> 01:04:50.340
kole strebel: And 15 in the front and 15 in the rear that doesn't give you a yard, that you can really use and enjoy that's why we're trying to push the House back a little bit creating a little bit of a bigger usable front yard.

535
01:04:51.840 --> 01:05:00.780
kole strebel: Again we're just trying to get a yard out of it if that's a big sticking point or something I suppose we could explore discuss pulling the House forward.

536
01:05:01.830 --> 01:05:05.550
kole strebel: And then we just have the normal setbacks and then we just go forward.

537
01:05:06.630 --> 01:05:15.150
kole strebel: Again, we could sit the House in the ground and have a little bit further, and we wouldn't eat that exception either, but I explained the reasons already why we were trying to stay away from that.

538
01:05:16.170 --> 01:05:27.570
kole strebel: Regarding a lot of our comps that we threw out there, those are just the readily available ones they're pretty close by, I know that a lot of those are commercial properties and things of that nature.

539
01:05:27.990 --> 01:05:39.210
kole strebel: But they still are not and they're still towering over some single story single family residences or multi unit single stories even they're there they're.

540
01:05:39.750 --> 01:05:54.090
kole strebel: Out there, so I think that we were just trying to point out in our comps that there's a variety of heights out there there's a mixture all over Venice and so that's why we kind of threw those in there i'm sorry if they they weren't good comps or what have you.

541
01:05:56.040 --> 01:06:01.020
kole strebel: Is there any questions, maybe I didn't address that that we should probably talk about.

542
01:06:02.100 --> 01:06:07.380
kole strebel: I wrote, as many as I dad I was, I wrote down as many as I could, but if I missed anything, please let me know.

543
01:06:07.980 --> 01:06:20.760
Alix Gucovsky: And I will ask the Committee I didn't really hear the full mellow explanation or determination so i'd love an answer to that and if anyone else mchale has his hand up, so the kill what what What would you like more clarification on.

544
01:06:21.930 --> 01:06:23.610
kole strebel: You want to comment on the mellow first.

545
01:06:24.090 --> 01:06:26.010
Alix Gucovsky: No, no, I want to hear what Mickey let's get what me.

546
01:06:26.010 --> 01:06:26.400
Michael Jensen: So.

547
01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:34.860
Michael Jensen: I mean, I think this is so, so what I was getting at when I was asking to describe the hardships, I mean I get that you guys want to build this House.

548
01:06:36.300 --> 01:06:40.710
Michael Jensen: But unfortunately I mean probably the reason that you couldn't sell it was because.

549
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:49.110
Michael Jensen: People look at a property like this that is substandard because it's the results of a lot split maybe three ways.

550
01:06:50.670 --> 01:06:54.330
Michael Jensen: And they know that the envelope that's allowed is going to be.

551
01:06:55.710 --> 01:07:15.540
Michael Jensen: You know, minimal, so I think I mean what I would suggest is that you look and see what you can build that is either within the envelope allowed or request modest adjustments to it, not cumulatively something that's going to allow for.

552
01:07:17.130 --> 01:07:27.780
Michael Jensen: Something of the size, probably, but I think that's you know you know that's if you're looking for local support I think that's the direction you guys probably want to take.

553
01:07:29.100 --> 01:07:29.940
Michael Jensen: that's your decision.

554
01:07:31.200 --> 01:07:39.060
Michael Jensen: But that's So when I was when I was asking for you know explaining the hardships, I mean it doesn't sound it sounds like the hardships are more once then.

555
01:07:40.200 --> 01:07:41.280
Michael Jensen: Particularly needs.

556
01:07:41.700 --> 01:07:42.030
Michael Jensen: that's it.

557
01:07:43.050 --> 01:07:45.450
Alix Gucovsky: And Barry had an additional question to.

558
01:07:47.310 --> 01:07:47.430
Alix Gucovsky: Put.

559
01:07:47.490 --> 01:07:49.230
Alix Gucovsky: Your hand up again for another question.

560
01:07:56.130 --> 01:07:57.660
Alix Gucovsky: Should I talk yeah.

561
01:07:58.170 --> 01:08:04.440
barrycassilly: Okay, I have a question about these soldiers setbacks i'm after the after like.

562
01:08:06.030 --> 01:08:22.830
barrycassilly: The Homeowners explanation i'm sorry I don't remember your name um so what i'm looking at here there's a front yard there's a rear yard that sort of a side yard arm and then where is the other side yard that we're talking about are there, there are two more side yards.

563
01:08:24.780 --> 01:08:30.030
kole strebel: Now that's a that's a great point it really what it has to do with this town, the city.

564
01:08:31.470 --> 01:08:46.410
kole strebel: kind of depends on what's the front side and all that because it's a corner lot with an alley right so according to the city what is their front property is that front yard, as you said, it's on sixth avenue our backyard is actually.

565
01:08:47.820 --> 01:08:58.560
kole strebel: East of East of the sixth avenue and then our side yards are actually the alleyway and our Jason neighbor to the south.

566
01:08:59.460 --> 01:08:59.670
But.

567
01:09:00.810 --> 01:09:02.730
barrycassilly: i'm still having trouble, I see the front yard.

568
01:09:03.300 --> 01:09:06.780
barrycassilly: mom now, I see the alley the alley is the rear yard.

569
01:09:07.110 --> 01:09:09.990
kole strebel: Know what's the side yard actually according to the city.

570
01:09:11.190 --> 01:09:19.770
barrycassilly: Okay, but you're taking your parking off this off the alley and that's where you're asking for a reduction of your setback to five feet, is that right.

571
01:09:21.150 --> 01:09:25.920
kole strebel: I think it's the side yards or we're asking for a reduction to five feet, yes.

572
01:09:27.600 --> 01:09:39.150
barrycassilly: Okay, so you're so the garage is that that we're looking at that I thought was a side door that's not you're not asking for anything there there's no variance or adjustment there.

573
01:09:41.730 --> 01:09:42.750
Walter Reyes: And yes, we are.

574
01:09:42.900 --> 01:09:46.620
kole strebel: Yes, there are crawling the alley the side you're actually.

575
01:09:48.360 --> 01:09:48.990
barrycassilly: Okay.

576
01:09:49.260 --> 01:09:49.830
Alix Gucovsky: Okay, but.

577
01:09:49.860 --> 01:09:56.160
barrycassilly: But is is the is the is the is what you're asking for there is that to go down from six feet five feet.

578
01:09:56.310 --> 01:09:58.500
barrycassilly: For your friend oh OK.

579
01:09:59.100 --> 01:10:07.380
barrycassilly: OK sorry I assumed that it was nine feet to five feet you're asking for um so that's one cider where's the rear yard.

580
01:10:08.010 --> 01:10:14.970
kole strebel: The rear yard, is to the east of sixth avenue, which I don't know if you can see, Walter share screen there.

581
01:10:15.150 --> 01:10:16.140
barrycassilly: But it's east of six.

582
01:10:17.460 --> 01:10:19.590
kole strebel: right there at the top there.

583
01:10:20.370 --> 01:10:23.160
barrycassilly: And some other stuff came up yeah.

584
01:10:24.210 --> 01:10:27.330
Alix Gucovsky: Well, I close that out, so we can see see this, please.

585
01:10:28.440 --> 01:10:31.020
kole strebel: that's that's the rear yard, that you just circled there.

586
01:10:31.080 --> 01:10:35.190
barrycassilly: that's the rear yard Okay, is there is there a street or alley there.

587
01:10:35.580 --> 01:10:36.180
No.

588
01:10:37.440 --> 01:10:38.100
barrycassilly: there's a neighbor.

589
01:10:38.670 --> 01:10:42.450
barrycassilly: Yes, off your rear your boy does a weird call from the city.

590
01:10:42.990 --> 01:10:46.710
kole strebel: Well, this is what's so bizarre and just to add to that really quick.

591
01:10:47.070 --> 01:10:58.440
kole strebel: what's so interesting is the existing dwelling the way that it sits currently believe it or not, with the if you look at the existing on the left side of Walter screen, you can see that there's two dwellings.

592
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:04.080
kole strebel: Currently, the garage is actually closer to the property land than what we're going to build.

593
01:11:04.350 --> 01:11:16.080
kole strebel: And currently the House is actually closer to the property line than what we're going to build what we're actually building is further from the property line that currently what is existing I think you guys should make a note of that case.

594
01:11:16.170 --> 01:11:27.090
barrycassilly: i'm i'm i'm like having a little bit of trouble keeping up so if I can ask there's a neighbor to your rear yard you're asking to reduce your year regard or not.

595
01:11:27.330 --> 01:11:29.460
barrycassilly: Yes, from what to what.

596
01:11:30.210 --> 01:11:31.920
kole strebel: From 15 feet to five feet.

597
01:11:34.080 --> 01:11:37.920
barrycassilly: In the air that's there, what kind of property is is is that neighbor.

598
01:11:38.790 --> 01:11:40.620
kole strebel: single family residence single story.

599
01:11:41.100 --> 01:11:43.980
barrycassilly: How how far they set off that property line.

600
01:11:44.280 --> 01:11:50.460
kole strebel: Their house probably fast the estimate is probably about 10 to 15 feet off that property on oh.

601
01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:52.470
barrycassilly: that's a lot um.

602
01:11:53.610 --> 01:11:57.630
barrycassilly: Do you have any comment from that neighbor about this i'm.

603
01:11:57.750 --> 01:12:08.010
kole strebel: Read I have i've talked to that neighbor several times in passing, he keeps saying that you know he knew that we were going to build the entire time he anticipated he's like good for you guys.

604
01:12:10.260 --> 01:12:12.330
kole strebel: Are you asking, are you asking him for a letter of.

605
01:12:12.330 --> 01:12:13.290
barrycassilly: Support in writing.

606
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:16.620
kole strebel: I have not, but I could absolutely request one.

607
01:12:17.310 --> 01:12:20.850
barrycassilly: That would be very important, it would influence how I felt about this.

608
01:12:20.850 --> 01:12:24.690
kole strebel: Okay, I could definitely I could definitely request from he's a very nice guy.

609
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:27.240
barrycassilly: Okay okay well, he would be the only person.

610
01:12:27.240 --> 01:12:31.140
barrycassilly: impacted by that now what's going on in this other side yard.

611
01:12:32.070 --> 01:12:35.400
kole strebel: Correct So if you look at the current.

612
01:12:36.540 --> 01:12:39.090
kole strebel: Drawing on the left side of Walter screen.

613
01:12:39.390 --> 01:12:41.100
kole strebel: You can see that we have.

614
01:12:41.190 --> 01:12:52.560
kole strebel: The the dwelling that is sitting on the right hand side it's kind of got the diagram on it right that property currently is only a couple feet from the existing neighbor.

615
01:12:53.070 --> 01:12:59.640
kole strebel: The new house that we're building is going to be five feet from the property rights we're actually going to push the House further away from the neighbor.

616
01:13:00.300 --> 01:13:00.600
Okay.

617
01:13:02.160 --> 01:13:02.730
barrycassilly: um.

618
01:13:02.760 --> 01:13:08.580
kole strebel: that's been what it currently is but the setbacks from the city are are six feet and we're asking for five.

619
01:13:09.120 --> 01:13:11.100
barrycassilly: Why are you asking for that reduction.

620
01:13:12.630 --> 01:13:23.220
kole strebel: I feel like there's not a lot of usable space back there it's six feet I don't think it's a difference between five verses six it's really just for access to get around the House you're going to end up putting.

621
01:13:23.760 --> 01:13:30.150
kole strebel: I mean what that it's just It just seems like it's very unusable space so that's really why we're asking for that extra foot.

622
01:13:30.210 --> 01:13:36.870
barrycassilly: Well, I don't like sorry Jared said thanks either, but um have you talked to that neighbor because that's the only person impacted but.

623
01:13:38.250 --> 01:13:44.460
kole strebel: I haven't really talked to that neighbor um I actually don't really know that neighbor very well, to be honest.

624
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:56.130
kole strebel: In passing, they haven't really said anything about the project to me, so I don't really know how they feel about it until we actually got on this call, they voice their opinion, I had never heard from them prior to the.

625
01:13:58.470 --> 01:14:04.260
barrycassilly: um okay um alright, I have a couple comments, would you like to hear them.

626
01:14:04.710 --> 01:14:05.580
Alix Gucovsky: yeah let's.

627
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:08.130
Alix Gucovsky: Can we let them answer some of our questions first, please.

628
01:14:08.820 --> 01:14:09.120
barrycassilly: Go ahead.

629
01:14:09.270 --> 01:14:09.720
Go ahead.

630
01:14:12.000 --> 01:14:17.280
Alix Gucovsky: Walter and or and or team can you answer some of the questions that came up from Mike.

631
01:14:18.360 --> 01:14:25.650
Alix Gucovsky: Mike mchale excuse me Barry and myself, and also the fact that we have eight neighbors that are heavily opposed to this project.

632
01:14:26.850 --> 01:14:34.350
kole strebel: Sure um, so I think your one question was about mellow we actually went through the whole mellow process.

633
01:14:34.920 --> 01:14:40.410
kole strebel: The gentleman who actually sold us the House disappeared and ghosted us after he sold it to us.

634
01:14:41.220 --> 01:14:54.000
kole strebel: So during the mellow process we kept you know, showing that you know we live in the property and we kept showing that the other gentleman who sold it to us his his son actually I believe lived in the property.

635
01:14:54.360 --> 01:15:04.200
kole strebel: And we went through mellow and everything for so long that we actually hit our three year mark so once we've lived in the property for three years, at that point, I believe the mellow determination.

636
01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:23.100
kole strebel: is pretty straightforward, in the sense that that it's it's not used for low income housing over the last three years, so I believe that was just a mellow determination and how that got moved forward, as I mentioned we've lived here for for three years for now yeah four years.

637
01:15:25.080 --> 01:15:28.200
kole strebel: Like I said we had thoughts of selling but we backed off with us.

638
01:15:29.910 --> 01:15:33.060
kole strebel: Macau what were your other questions just really quick I can't bring them.

639
01:15:33.780 --> 01:15:37.350
Alix Gucovsky: He was going into mchale if you want to interrupt on this hardships.

640
01:15:38.040 --> 01:15:56.910
Michael Jensen: guys think I mean again all of the all of these adjustments require specific hardship findings and I mean we could pull them up real quick, but so far, what i'm hearing is you guys want these things and I get that you want to build a bigger house.

641
01:15:58.140 --> 01:16:11.220
Michael Jensen: But then, you probably shouldn't pick a bigger lot and that's sort of the the point of the smaller subdivision was not to create larger you know the same kind of house you'd put on a lot twice as twice the size, it was to create.

642
01:16:13.530 --> 01:16:24.990
Michael Jensen: We can have a separate discussion about whether or not that gold is actually achieved but to create smaller buildings on half size lots, thereby making them more affordable.

643
01:16:25.680 --> 01:16:43.590
kole strebel: Sure, so a couple things to that as far as the hardship and stuff like that goes, I mean it's I don't even might be a hardship might not be, but this is the lot that we could afford when we bought here, we wanted to live in Venice really bad my wife owns a salon around the corner.

644
01:16:44.760 --> 01:16:55.680
kole strebel: we've lived in the Marina in Santa Monica and stuff as renters for a very long time, and this is really what it boils down to is this is what we could afford and as a result we're trying to maximize what we can build.

645
01:16:56.670 --> 01:17:03.900
kole strebel: Ideally, because we we look at things and you gotta remember, we can build this size of house regardless.

646
01:17:04.170 --> 01:17:14.790
kole strebel: Even I could I could shift the House for sink it into the ground and bring in and bring in the sides, and I might lose a few hundred square feet, this is not a great thing over square footage.

647
01:17:15.000 --> 01:17:21.690
kole strebel: it's just about us wanting, and I know it's a want rather than a hardship, but the hardship is it's like we don't have a yard.

648
01:17:21.930 --> 01:17:28.920
kole strebel: We can't go play and stuff because you've got so many vagrants and stuff going on events like we want, we need a yard.

649
01:17:29.370 --> 01:17:33.840
kole strebel: We have a dog and all kinds of things and that's really what our what we're trying to do here is just gain.

650
01:17:34.080 --> 01:17:43.200
kole strebel: Certain things like a yard and then again the hardship is on the first floor is we really don't want that first floor to be subterranean I gotta be honest with you, Macau that that.

651
01:17:43.530 --> 01:17:51.120
kole strebel: is not something I would love to do even knowing a lot of the neighbors in Venice, as you guys know do have subterranean first floors.

652
01:17:56.670 --> 01:17:58.260
Matthew Royce: leaks, though this is matt you mind if I.

653
01:17:58.740 --> 01:18:00.240
Alix Gucovsky: say so please that.

654
01:18:02.220 --> 01:18:07.110
Matthew Royce: I think we've heard a lot I think it's we're getting to the point where should we should call the question.

655
01:18:09.000 --> 01:18:22.410
Matthew Royce: I I kind of agree with the comments I don't I think these are wants and they're not I don't see a hardship exactly you can definitely sink it down, you could you could engineer it in a way, where you can sync the verse for.

656
01:18:25.110 --> 01:18:27.060
Matthew Royce: me, I agree that it's.

657
01:18:28.080 --> 01:18:37.680
Matthew Royce: yeah we'd all like a bigger House in a smaller lot because cheaper but it's just not the way the specific plans written right now we might maybe in the future and what we're not right now.

658
01:18:38.790 --> 01:18:39.480
Matthew Royce: So.

659
01:18:41.730 --> 01:18:45.900
Matthew Royce: I feel like like anybody else wants to make a motion I created.

660
01:18:46.350 --> 01:18:54.930
Alix Gucovsky: That i'm gonna i'll make a motion but i'd like to i'd like to just add one thing to that which is, I also believe that.

661
01:18:55.920 --> 01:19:02.520
Alix Gucovsky: As a committee if they're all these exceptions being asked for and there's no hardship.

662
01:19:02.970 --> 01:19:09.720
Alix Gucovsky: And we have i'm sure many of you saw the letter that was sent by about eight or nine neighbors into all of our emails today.

663
01:19:10.200 --> 01:19:19.050
Alix Gucovsky: And I look at that and I think these people are probably going to appeal this project part of our job as a committee, and the Board is to really ensure that.

664
01:19:19.710 --> 01:19:28.590
Alix Gucovsky: That people work with the Community, so we minimize appeals right like I think we would all agree, like the system doesn't need endless endless appeals.

665
01:19:29.010 --> 01:19:37.710
Alix Gucovsky: And I look at this right now, and I mean it doesn't seem like we're inclined to grant approval of this from from our committee or recommend approval to the board.

666
01:19:38.130 --> 01:19:48.150
Alix Gucovsky: But one of the reasons I would also recommend we don't approve this as presented is because it is going to get appealed and that that is just going to sort of delay.

667
01:19:49.230 --> 01:19:58.710
Alix Gucovsky: delay the process more aggravation more time more money um, so I would probably make the motion that deny the project.

668
01:19:59.880 --> 01:20:03.450
Alix Gucovsky: deny the project is presented, because the.

669
01:20:05.760 --> 01:20:07.740
Michael Jensen: Because there's some hands up the leaks by.

670
01:20:07.740 --> 01:20:08.010
Michael Jensen: The way.

671
01:20:08.460 --> 01:20:08.940
barrycassilly: There are.

672
01:20:10.290 --> 01:20:13.140
Alix Gucovsky: lauren sorry, thank you for pointing that out lauren.

673
01:20:13.830 --> 01:20:15.090
lauren siegel: s hi Thank you.

674
01:20:15.120 --> 01:20:29.820
lauren siegel: Alright, so my question is, you know you're the Homeowners you're hearing what the feedback is and what Alex was saying, are you willing to compromise and reshape the plan so that there are no reasons for us to vote against it.

675
01:20:30.960 --> 01:20:35.250
kole strebel: yeah absolutely I mean one is for neighbors to.

676
01:20:36.390 --> 01:20:43.830
kole strebel: We don't want our neighbor to hate us now that's not what we're after at the same token, I don't think i'm asking a lot of my neighbors.

677
01:20:44.760 --> 01:20:52.230
kole strebel: But like I said the House that we're going to build is further from the property lines than the current houses sit right now I would think that's a good thing.

678
01:20:53.910 --> 01:21:05.850
kole strebel: I guess that i'm trying to not make a subterranean first floor for the exact reasons that one of the gentleman mentioned about flooding and water tables and all that stuff that goes into sub pumps and everything.

679
01:21:06.270 --> 01:21:15.450
kole strebel: that's a real issue and concern I don't see the reason of pushing the House three more feed into the floor to create more problems for future for future.

680
01:21:18.120 --> 01:21:27.180
lauren siegel: However, you know these rules exist and everybody in Venice has smaller loss than they want and so people have to get creative to.

681
01:21:27.570 --> 01:21:39.990
lauren siegel: fit within the standards that we all work for so if you're willing to you know make some changes and not have these these big asks, then I think that the project is more likely to move forward.

682
01:21:41.100 --> 01:21:41.580
kole strebel: Yes.

683
01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:43.260
Walter Reyes: We are, we are willing.

684
01:21:43.320 --> 01:21:49.350
Walter Reyes: To make changes and also part of the hardship that we were looking into was that the property is small.

685
01:21:49.800 --> 01:22:02.520
Walter Reyes: So we already a small property and by having all those setbacks, it just reduces the property even further everybody the neighborhood there have very limited setbacks, it was growing our current house.

686
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:11.250
lauren siegel: respectfully there are so many properties throughout Venice that are even smaller, so you know the the average lot size closer to the beach is.

687
01:22:11.280 --> 01:22:11.820
Walter Reyes: 25.

688
01:22:12.570 --> 01:22:16.890
lauren siegel: feet, so, in fact, this is not the smallest lot out there in Venice.

689
01:22:17.820 --> 01:22:18.570
Michael Jensen: yeah it's not even.

690
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:19.350
Michael Jensen: close and.

691
01:22:19.680 --> 01:22:20.970
Walter Reyes: All the small logs.

692
01:22:21.210 --> 01:22:23.340
Walter Reyes: They have reduce setbacks.

693
01:22:23.520 --> 01:22:25.140
Walter Reyes: Right, including.

694
01:22:25.200 --> 01:22:25.950
Walter Reyes: They were all pretty.

695
01:22:26.010 --> 01:22:34.980
Michael Jensen: Well, they were built, I mean here's the issue you're running into is that a lot of these things that you're citing as examples and even the current building that sits there.

696
01:22:35.430 --> 01:22:52.800
Michael Jensen: was built in a time where this setback will didn't exist, so of course the building is on the lot line which would never happen in the last 20 years but 100 years ago they put these things, wherever you know, there was no no rule about it so.

697
01:22:54.090 --> 01:23:04.050
Michael Jensen: You know, you could explore, I mean doing a renovation, to the existing building footprints and then you get to enjoy the benefit of those non conforming setbacks and that's just a thought.

698
01:23:04.530 --> 01:23:04.860
kole strebel: and

699
01:23:05.130 --> 01:23:05.670
that's you.

700
01:23:07.740 --> 01:23:14.220
Michael Jensen: But I think the really The thing is a small lot is is, in itself, not a hardship.

701
01:23:15.240 --> 01:23:29.160
Michael Jensen: You know if you had a weird triangular lot and so these you know the setback requirements, create some you know some unbelievable lot but you still have a footprint, where you could build it's just not going to fit a 3000 square foot house.

702
01:23:30.120 --> 01:23:34.890
kole strebel: I bet if I put I can put a basement in there and it will be over 3000 square feet.

703
01:23:37.230 --> 01:23:37.500
Alix Gucovsky: Right.

704
01:23:37.620 --> 01:23:39.390
Michael Jensen: Well then, you just got to build a basement sure.

705
01:23:39.780 --> 01:23:47.190
kole strebel: that's the solution that's I mean that's why I mean we are building a basement that's that's what we're doing to get the extra square footage that's why it's.

706
01:23:47.460 --> 01:23:54.390
kole strebel: looks like it's so many square feet on paper, but the basements really the bulk of the square footage and i'm going to get that square footage regardless right.

707
01:23:55.770 --> 01:23:57.990
Michael Jensen: yeah I mean if you're going into the basement there's no.

708
01:23:58.890 --> 01:24:05.280
kole strebel: Right that's my whole point is it's like it's going to be a 3000 square foot house plus any way you slice it.

709
01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:07.230
Chris Plourde: So.

710
01:24:07.260 --> 01:24:11.670
Michael Jensen: Well then, just make it fit above ground into the whole thing and that's your solution.

711
01:24:13.320 --> 01:24:21.180
Michael Jensen: Because I mean I can i'm nearly guarantee you will you will be spending more times and appeal more time in appeals plural.

712
01:24:22.650 --> 01:24:24.000
Michael Jensen: After going through here.

713
01:24:24.210 --> 01:24:24.900
barrycassilly: Just I don't think.

714
01:24:25.050 --> 01:24:29.280
barrycassilly: I don't think we want to, or you with the applicants, I mean lauren made her point.

715
01:24:30.690 --> 01:24:35.310
barrycassilly: Whatever the African wants to do the applicant can do i'm.

716
01:24:37.410 --> 01:24:39.030
Alix Gucovsky: So, excuse me for a second.

717
01:24:39.120 --> 01:24:45.390
Alix Gucovsky: We can we can make a motion on this, I mean you've heard you've heard the committee Community you've heard the committee.

718
01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:55.800
Alix Gucovsky: I would recommend that you go back and and engage with the Community, I mean this is this is another issue to that was brought up, which was outreach.

719
01:24:56.190 --> 01:25:06.900
Alix Gucovsky: And I don't think there was sufficient outreach on this, and certainly just from the letters we got today we know there are a lot of Community members that are unhappy with this and as as several of us have mentioned, there, there will be.

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01:25:07.470 --> 01:25:17.760
Alix Gucovsky: You know appeal slash plural appeals, it might be productive for you to go back go sit with the members of the community and maybe come back.

721
01:25:18.120 --> 01:25:29.550
Alix Gucovsky: Before us with a revised project I don't know if you guys are interested in doing that, but that might that might be a better solution rather than us just making a motion to likely deny the project is presented.

722
01:25:30.510 --> 01:25:34.890
kole strebel: And I totally understand about the Community outreach I will comment to that.

723
01:25:35.460 --> 01:25:45.540
kole strebel: My wife and I are actually going through idea we're trying to get pregnant, so the covert things are real could scare for us so we're trying to limit what we're doing out there in the Community, as far as contact.

724
01:25:46.290 --> 01:25:54.330
kole strebel: I know that somebody made a comment that some Community outreach is now being done online i'm going to try to connect into that and see what's going on there.

725
01:25:54.900 --> 01:26:02.700
kole strebel: So I do appreciate the the advice on the Community outreach stuff we hadn't been doing a lot of the from the covert things so.

726
01:26:04.410 --> 01:26:10.800
Alix Gucovsky: So, most of the most if not all of the Community outreach is being done on zoom you know.

727
01:26:11.340 --> 01:26:13.680
kole strebel: that's what she told me recently I didn't know that.

728
01:26:14.370 --> 01:26:25.740
Alix Gucovsky: Before we go to emotion, you know i'm asking if you guys are prepared to go back, I can certainly put you in contact with some of the Community members that are.

729
01:26:26.970 --> 01:26:34.140
Alix Gucovsky: Definitely not happy with this project and are you prepared to go back and maybe revisit some of the plans to come back before us to revise plans or.

730
01:26:34.320 --> 01:26:40.020
Alix Gucovsky: Do you want to stick your feet and and say this is what we want this is how we want to do it we're going to go forth, and if we get appeal we get a field.

731
01:26:45.240 --> 01:26:51.030
kole strebel: i'm not really sure at the time yeah we'd have to talk about yes, I don't quite know how we feel about it yet.

732
01:26:52.710 --> 01:26:57.630
kole strebel: Like I said we didn't know that we had so many Community members not liking us in the project and stuff like that.

733
01:26:59.340 --> 01:27:05.940
kole strebel: There is, on one hand i'm tempted just to sync the House in the ground and put it within the setbacks and just build it.

734
01:27:07.410 --> 01:27:14.760
kole strebel: Because we've been waiting over three years, as you guys know and we keep getting pushed and pushed and pushed out and make it some point we just got to get going.

735
01:27:15.360 --> 01:27:25.410
kole strebel: and get on with our lives, so I think that might be something that we just think about and can I email you possibly by the end of the night or something and let you know or do I have to decide right now.

736
01:27:25.830 --> 01:27:33.120
Alix Gucovsky: I mean it's sort of unprecedented because we do really need to like make a decision as to what to do with this as a committee, I mean.

737
01:27:34.740 --> 01:27:40.410
kole strebel: So let me ask you this, what happens so if you guys decline our projects and we get stopped at the city Is that correct.

738
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:48.180
Alix Gucovsky: Not necessarily but I mean you know it still has to go to the Board and the board may approve the project or the board may deny the project but.

739
01:27:48.570 --> 01:27:55.560
Alix Gucovsky: You know, there are two there's sort of two things that are going on, when there's what's going to happen at the at the committee level and then at the board level.

740
01:27:55.950 --> 01:28:04.710
Alix Gucovsky: And then there's The other thing which is that you're going to have a bunch of neighbors probably appeal this project and that could tie you up for another multiple multiple months.

741
01:28:04.950 --> 01:28:10.800
Alix Gucovsky: What I said earlier, in which some of us have addressed as well to lauren mchale myself Barry.

742
01:28:11.790 --> 01:28:21.930
Alix Gucovsky: Andrew touched on this Chris do you want to go into a situation where you spend another six months to a year being appealed rather than taking a beat and saying this is a frustrated evening tonight.

743
01:28:22.170 --> 01:28:32.070
Alix Gucovsky: let's go back and zoom with the neighbors let's see if there's something we can do, and come back in two weeks or three weeks or four weeks or whenever you've reached, you know some sort of consensus and.

744
01:28:32.640 --> 01:28:42.240
Alix Gucovsky: Potentially getting you know, a letter of recommendation from this committee to approve a revised project and for the board to to approve a revised project and no appeal.

745
01:28:42.660 --> 01:28:43.170
Alix Gucovsky: I mean.

746
01:28:43.410 --> 01:28:56.160
kole strebel: Let me ask you this, but i'm following you let me ask you this um if I go back to the drawing board and I don't ask for any exceptions Do I need to revisit the board and everything.

747
01:28:57.270 --> 01:29:00.690
Alix Gucovsky: Well, yes, you have to have the forest, because this is.

748
01:29:01.050 --> 01:29:02.010
kole strebel: My that's my quiet I didn't.

749
01:29:02.040 --> 01:29:05.340
Alix Gucovsky: yeah, but you have to come before us, regardless.

750
01:29:05.370 --> 01:29:06.660
kole strebel: There you go I didn't know yeah.

751
01:29:07.680 --> 01:29:16.440
Alix Gucovsky: But I mean, I think you know here's the situation committee Member a i'm not even i'm just going to come even a B or C.

752
01:29:16.560 --> 01:29:25.350
Alix Gucovsky: Right, not even like the realize project, but if you've done the work and you've done your outreach and you're now no longer asking for variances and exceptions.

753
01:29:25.410 --> 01:29:25.770
kole strebel: Right.

754
01:29:26.160 --> 01:29:30.270
Alix Gucovsky: it's harder for us to like deny a project is presented.

755
01:29:30.570 --> 01:29:31.110
Alix Gucovsky: Okay, so.

756
01:29:32.430 --> 01:29:44.220
Alix Gucovsky: You know i'm simply simply offer you a path that might seem really frustrating and complicated at the moment, but it might it might make things better, as I said earlier, I think.

757
01:29:44.550 --> 01:29:52.020
Alix Gucovsky: Our committee and our Board should avoid having projects going to appeal and when we get a letter with so many neighbors so upset.

758
01:29:52.260 --> 01:30:05.280
Alix Gucovsky: And we've all and, by the way, most of us on this committee like generally don't agree, and we all seem to be pretty much in agreement that these are not hardship asked It just seems like it might be a better solution for you at this juncture in time.

759
01:30:05.760 --> 01:30:07.170
kole strebel: Mass oh.

760
01:30:07.290 --> 01:30:14.250
Alix Gucovsky: We don't but, but again I myself and the committee can't compel you to do this, we can we can just make.

761
01:30:15.030 --> 01:30:19.470
Matthew Royce: I think we could we could go on all night giving advice conversation with the applicant but.

762
01:30:19.500 --> 01:30:19.890
Alix Gucovsky: yeah I think.

763
01:30:20.100 --> 01:30:23.310
Matthew Royce: I can go on record with emotion for this particular.

764
01:30:24.510 --> 01:30:30.030
Alix Gucovsky: One question from the applicant, so why don't we take that out with it and then call the question and we'll make a decision afterwards.

765
01:30:30.660 --> 01:30:50.430
kole strebel: yeah so I was just wondering, so if we do decide, you know hey let's just go back and not ask for any variances any setbacks, and you know we conform to the plans of the city, then, are we looking at here or more until our plans get possibly okay.

766
01:30:52.530 --> 01:30:54.030
Alix Gucovsky: I can't answer that question.

767
01:30:54.060 --> 01:31:00.270
kole strebel: I mean, is there any like any idea that you have i'm just curious like how much longer we passively looking to go down this road.

768
01:31:02.010 --> 01:31:06.840
kole strebel: Even with with conforming to everything within Venice asks us to do.

769
01:31:07.860 --> 01:31:09.180
barrycassilly: Nobody can really answer that.

770
01:31:11.010 --> 01:31:21.030
barrycassilly: If I mean if you if you come if you come back with a conforming project that project should not be appeal level at the city level, but you have to go to the coastal Commission.

771
01:31:21.090 --> 01:31:37.950
barrycassilly: Correct and once you get to the coastal Commission anybody can appeal your project on on any basis they can they can argue that the earth is really flat and therefore don't approve this House it's wide open at the coastal Commission, we have no control of that.

772
01:31:41.970 --> 01:31:44.400
kole strebel: So yeah okay that's a great point so.

773
01:31:45.420 --> 01:31:49.800
kole strebel: Even if somebody doesn't have to it with you guys somebody can fill it with coastal layer

774
01:31:50.130 --> 01:31:58.080
barrycassilly: Which is much further down the line I mean if you come in with a conforming project it's tremendously beneficial to you.

775
01:31:59.730 --> 01:32:03.810
Alix Gucovsky: Sure okay and, by the way, even at the customer level as well, too.

776
01:32:04.980 --> 01:32:05.340
Alix Gucovsky: Right.

777
01:32:06.060 --> 01:32:12.060
kole strebel: yeah it's just I don't understand there's so many other my neighbors we've got exceptions and are doing stuff in basements and all kinds of things and.

778
01:32:13.050 --> 01:32:14.910
barrycassilly: Then you don't need an exception for a basement.

779
01:32:15.690 --> 01:32:24.660
kole strebel: I know i'm just in there even building three story house is on not making the first subtract I mean there there's people that have gotten approved for this stuff I don't.

780
01:32:25.380 --> 01:32:27.990
barrycassilly: know, but you can do a three story house within the height limit.

781
01:32:28.710 --> 01:32:31.710
kole strebel: that's right okay all right well.

782
01:32:33.600 --> 01:32:36.240
barrycassilly: we're not we're not trying to give you guys a hard time.

783
01:32:36.450 --> 01:32:39.210
barrycassilly: we'd like you guys your neighbors were honestly trying to help.

784
01:32:39.540 --> 01:32:48.480
kole strebel: Absolutely, and I do want our neighbors to know as well, like, I really i'm so discouraged to hear that they are so upset with us, and I really.

785
01:32:50.460 --> 01:32:59.760
kole strebel: think that we've lived here for four years, we truly love it we feel actually safe with our neighbors being our neighbors with everything going on, so the last thing I want.

786
01:32:59.820 --> 01:33:03.720
barrycassilly: for everybody go back and go back to your joining neighbors they're the ones that matter.

787
01:33:03.960 --> 01:33:04.230
Right.

788
01:33:05.370 --> 01:33:05.850
kole strebel: Here you.

789
01:33:06.240 --> 01:33:07.740
Alix Gucovsky: Sorry i'm going to stop this now.

790
01:33:07.800 --> 01:33:22.170
Alix Gucovsky: i'm going to actually now make the motion and recommend that this case be continued until there's continued until, what are we in September, it should be continued until the end of September until there's further outreach with the.

791
01:33:22.230 --> 01:33:22.830
Alix Gucovsky: And I.

792
01:33:23.370 --> 01:33:28.020
Michael Jensen: ELISE can I suggest this just because so rather than having to track, whether or not it.

793
01:33:28.680 --> 01:33:44.610
Michael Jensen: If we just deny these plans and ask them to come back with new plans like i'm happy to be the flipper that votes, the other to to allow reconsideration of it, but that way we don't have to track it and we don't get into a situation where this gets.

794
01:33:45.690 --> 01:33:48.960
Michael Jensen: Then it's automated and the onus is on the applicant to come back.

795
01:33:49.230 --> 01:33:52.410
Matthew Royce: yeah we should be on this particular application.

796
01:33:52.800 --> 01:33:53.190
yeah.

797
01:33:54.720 --> 01:33:58.260
Walter Reyes: Well that's okay to do to have you guys deny, and then we can come back.

798
01:33:58.620 --> 01:33:58.860
Walter Reyes: yeah.

799
01:33:58.890 --> 01:34:00.450
Michael Jensen: feel that, because that way what.

800
01:34:00.510 --> 01:34:12.120
Michael Jensen: What I don't want to have to do is track, whether or not you guys come back and then you guys go to i'm not not saying you, you will do this, but others have, and I think it just makes it easier to automate the automate the return.

801
01:34:12.420 --> 01:34:13.230
Alix Gucovsky: I don't disagree.

802
01:34:14.820 --> 01:34:19.110
Alix Gucovsky: let's wrap this up mchale denied the project is presented until.

803
01:34:20.040 --> 01:34:22.860
Michael Jensen: Until applicant returns with revised plans.

804
01:34:24.240 --> 01:34:24.540
Michael Jensen: That.

805
01:34:25.230 --> 01:34:26.250
Michael Jensen: Either open the form or.

806
01:34:26.370 --> 01:34:27.480
Michael Jensen: I would say advice, but.

807
01:34:27.900 --> 01:34:29.880
Matthew Royce: Due to lack of demonstrable hardship.

808
01:34:32.970 --> 01:34:35.340
Alix Gucovsky: Okay, deny the project is presented.

809
01:34:36.480 --> 01:34:37.020
Alix Gucovsky: with you.

810
01:34:37.080 --> 01:34:38.730
Michael Jensen: i'll take i'll take mats friendly.

811
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:39.810
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, do you know.

812
01:34:40.590 --> 01:34:43.620
Alix Gucovsky: he's right due to a lack of demonstrable how hardship.

813
01:34:45.630 --> 01:34:46.350
Alix Gucovsky: and

814
01:34:48.390 --> 01:34:50.130
Alix Gucovsky: hardship until.

815
01:34:51.300 --> 01:34:58.080
Alix Gucovsky: The applicant presents revised plans, that is, the motion on the table, do I need to read that again.

816
01:34:59.370 --> 01:34:59.610
barrycassilly: No.

817
01:34:59.700 --> 01:34:59.940
Oh.

818
01:35:01.650 --> 01:35:07.770
Alix Gucovsky: Great um that is mchale's motion, this is a leaks i'm going to suck into it.

819
01:35:09.000 --> 01:35:11.280
Alix Gucovsky: And i'm going to take a vote.

820
01:35:12.420 --> 01:35:12.990
Alix Gucovsky: Barry.

821
01:35:13.470 --> 01:35:15.600
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, and.

822
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:17.400
Alix Gucovsky: lauren.

823
01:35:18.180 --> 01:35:20.910
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, i'm Korean.

824
01:35:21.420 --> 01:35:21.990
Yes.

825
01:35:23.040 --> 01:35:24.210
Alix Gucovsky: And matt.

826
01:35:24.570 --> 01:35:26.640
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, Chris.

827
01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:28.860
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, Andrew.

828
01:35:29.430 --> 01:35:30.120
Yes.

829
01:35:31.470 --> 01:35:32.010
Mehrnoosh: Yes.

830
01:35:32.550 --> 01:35:37.650
Alix Gucovsky: And matt i'm assuming that i'm Kelly i'm assuming that you're using this as well to as am I.

831
01:35:37.680 --> 01:35:39.360
Michael Jensen: Correct That would be a correct assumption.

832
01:35:39.810 --> 01:35:40.380
Great.

833
01:35:46.440 --> 01:35:54.330
Alix Gucovsky: And just so you know this will now go to the board, so we have our tracking, but please reach out to myself.

834
01:35:55.650 --> 01:36:02.970
Alix Gucovsky: If you need help getting in touch with some of the people who you know are unhappy with this project and we'll do our best to.

835
01:36:03.390 --> 01:36:06.600
Michael Jensen: Are we going to assign a new staff person some chef is no longer.

836
01:36:07.320 --> 01:36:09.330
Alix Gucovsky: And yes, we can do that too.

837
01:36:11.820 --> 01:36:12.270
kole strebel: And we'll be.

838
01:36:13.410 --> 01:36:19.230
Chris Plourde: And leaks leaks, if I can, if I can say one thing to the applicants, is that okay yeah.

839
01:36:21.090 --> 01:36:21.480
Chris Plourde: alico.

840
01:36:22.080 --> 01:36:24.240
Alix Gucovsky: Rapid it keep it brief because we spent a lot of.

841
01:36:24.240 --> 01:36:25.440
Chris Plourde: very, very brief.

842
01:36:25.830 --> 01:36:33.060
Chris Plourde: Do not take opposition to this project as a personal thing about you.

843
01:36:34.290 --> 01:36:35.550
Chris Plourde: it's not about you.

844
01:36:37.260 --> 01:36:39.660
Chris Plourde: And I, and I just want you to know.

845
01:36:39.780 --> 01:36:41.610
Chris Plourde: Okay i've built a house.

846
01:36:41.670 --> 01:36:44.250
Chris Plourde: there's no way you're going through don't take it personally.

847
01:36:44.820 --> 01:36:46.380
kole strebel: Thank you, thank you appreciate.

848
01:36:46.620 --> 01:36:47.760
kole strebel: You guys i'm.

849
01:36:48.690 --> 01:36:51.300
Alix Gucovsky: Walter time and share your screen, please.

850
01:36:54.540 --> 01:36:54.930
Great.

851
01:36:59.820 --> 01:37:05.250
Alix Gucovsky: OK, the next project is 2412 click avenue.

852
01:37:08.640 --> 01:37:21.930
Alix Gucovsky: Not I think your staff on this and I think there are no exemptions, do you want to read your staff report then we'll do public comment staff report motion public comment and applicant.

853
01:37:24.150 --> 01:37:28.320
Matthew Royce: yeah it's pretty brief, I mean like the last project project you're not asking for.

854
01:37:28.590 --> 01:37:29.970
Matthew Royce: And i'm aware of.

855
01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:37.110
Matthew Royce: So I don't see any reason to not just.

856
01:37:38.280 --> 01:37:39.120
Matthew Royce: approve this.

857
01:37:41.040 --> 01:37:48.870
Matthew Royce: I believe I did a I believe they did a Community outreach meeting last night, which I wasn't available to attend, but maybe the opportunity to collaborate on what they.

858
01:37:49.980 --> 01:37:51.330
Alix Gucovsky: Do you want to read your.

859
01:37:53.040 --> 01:37:54.420
Alix Gucovsky: recommended motion that.

860
01:37:55.290 --> 01:37:56.040
barrycassilly: I have a question.

861
01:37:57.420 --> 01:38:01.530
Alix Gucovsky: Very can you hold on a second, please, do you want to read your your motion i'm.

862
01:38:02.010 --> 01:38:03.360
Matthew Royce: not sure so.

863
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:19.170
Matthew Royce: Whereas the proposed project is in compliance with the objective stands at the certified laying his plan and specific plan and up de minimis libertarians the dnc board approved this project as a domino's project.

864
01:38:20.400 --> 01:38:21.840
Alix Gucovsky: Right who wants to second that.

865
01:38:23.070 --> 01:38:23.790
barrycassilly: i'll second that.

866
01:38:24.390 --> 01:38:41.850
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you very great now we have the motion on the table i'm going to open this up for public comment Barry I know you have a question after we've done public comment, we can bring your questions in yes great opening this up for public comment I see one hand up.

867
01:38:45.150 --> 01:38:48.150
Alix Gucovsky: One hand great Richard.

868
01:38:52.710 --> 01:38:57.810
Richard Stanger: hello, my name is Richard stanger I live it to 409 Clark, which is across the street.

869
01:38:59.430 --> 01:39:06.480
Richard Stanger: I was very impressed with the staff report he probably spent 30 seconds on.

870
01:39:08.520 --> 01:39:12.120
Richard Stanger: Let me start out by saying that and 27.

871
01:39:13.740 --> 01:39:17.700
Richard Stanger: This area zone single family residential, which is one of the two.

872
01:39:19.440 --> 01:39:21.600
Richard Stanger: Well okay that's all I get.

873
01:39:23.790 --> 01:39:25.020
Alix Gucovsky: Richard keep talking.

874
01:39:25.230 --> 01:39:25.830
No.

875
01:39:30.450 --> 01:39:32.250
Alix Gucovsky: do not have anything else to say.

876
01:39:33.120 --> 01:39:34.800
Richard Stanger: Not in 23 seconds.

877
01:39:35.910 --> 01:39:38.490
Alix Gucovsky: Richard you had a minute we can start the clock again.

878
01:39:43.290 --> 01:39:43.740
Alix Gucovsky: Richard.

879
01:39:46.020 --> 01:39:47.220
Richard Stanger: yeah.

880
01:39:49.560 --> 01:39:51.960
Richard Stanger: The whole proposition, I mean.

881
01:39:54.180 --> 01:39:58.560
Richard Stanger: All right, give me a minute, but this is sort of ridiculous that.

882
01:39:59.910 --> 01:40:01.650
Richard Stanger: limited to a minute.

883
01:40:03.330 --> 01:40:03.870
Richard Stanger: Okay.

884
01:40:05.820 --> 01:40:06.090
Alix Gucovsky: hey.

885
01:40:06.210 --> 01:40:22.740
Richard Stanger: Are you ready Richard yes, although the project may conform to municipal code, it does not meet neighborhood protection policies of the Venice land use plan, where the Community effects, protection of Section 302508 of the coastal not.

886
01:40:29.520 --> 01:40:30.840
Richard Stanger: And I guess.

887
01:40:31.920 --> 01:40:38.700
Richard Stanger: The other comment, maybe, while mass scale and character, maybe debatable.

888
01:40:39.930 --> 01:40:49.170
Richard Stanger: When a project in every way maximizes the buildable envelope is clear that compatibility with mass scale and character of the neighborhood is not considered.

889
01:40:51.450 --> 01:41:06.720
Richard Stanger: keeping in mind that 75% of the homes on the two blocks of Clark are 1200 50 square feet and this one is 2800 square feet it's it's very hard to believe that it has the mass scale and character.

890
01:41:08.100 --> 01:41:11.850
Richard Stanger: is compatible with the neighborhood not only that, but it.

891
01:41:13.290 --> 01:41:20.340
Richard Stanger: fails, and the Community effects analysis is now required by the coastal Commission, thank you.

892
01:41:20.760 --> 01:41:21.480
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, Richard.

893
01:41:23.250 --> 01:41:27.390
Alix Gucovsky: One more comment and then we're closing public comment.

894
01:41:28.530 --> 01:41:29.130
Alix Gucovsky: Robin.

895
01:41:32.250 --> 01:41:42.690
RobinRudisill: hi Robin drew to sell I just want to encourage you to not just look at this project individually, but look at the cumulative impact of several projects like this.

896
01:41:43.560 --> 01:42:01.980
RobinRudisill: You need to factor in prior projects that are similar other existing projects that are similar and probable future projects and basically that would change this, the scale and character of this block tremendously if the entire block was built.

897
01:42:03.240 --> 01:42:14.340
RobinRudisill: The size of this project, so please think of cumulative impacts discuss that and see what kind of a change would result from this project, thank you.

898
01:42:14.910 --> 01:42:29.130
Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Robin and with that i'm closing public comment James I believe I just put you into the panelists so you are able to present.

899
01:42:30.960 --> 01:42:33.210
James McCann: Already, can you all hear me now.

900
01:42:35.250 --> 01:42:35.970
Alix Gucovsky: We can.

901
01:42:58.140 --> 01:42:59.820
James McCann: Thanks everybody for having me on.

902
01:43:01.110 --> 01:43:18.690
James McCann: was hoping i'd have my sister here Kelly Douglas, who is also the designer of the project, but unfortunately couldn't make it so i'll go through it, the proposed project is the demolition of a small single family homes about 800 square feet.

903
01:43:20.340 --> 01:43:29.490
James McCann: and new construction of a two story home with a roof deck that's 2764 square feet.

904
01:43:31.530 --> 01:43:34.620
James McCann: Here i'll just kind of turn some pages on our plans.

905
01:43:35.850 --> 01:43:47.250
James McCann: This is, this is the site plan we have an attached two car garage right here off of the alleyway and we'll have a third service car surface spot for a third car.

906
01:43:49.980 --> 01:43:58.980
James McCann: we're not requesting as matt said we're not requesting any variances any reduction in setbacks or any increases in height.

907
01:44:00.150 --> 01:44:06.720
James McCann: So we're conforming to both city city planning codes, as well as that a specific plan as well.

908
01:44:09.870 --> 01:44:17.370
James McCann: it'll be four bedrooms four bathrooms here's the first four four plan like I said two car garage.

909
01:44:19.890 --> 01:44:24.510
James McCann: And three beds and three baths up on the second floor.

910
01:44:25.770 --> 01:44:37.560
James McCann: And then i'll just quickly go through the roof deck with a stair tower here and the stairs tower again is falls below the height requirement.

911
01:44:41.790 --> 01:44:45.900
James McCann: And then i'll take you to some rendering go through color renderings here.

912
01:44:46.950 --> 01:45:04.830
James McCann: So for the exterior we plan on using a lighter stucco with some wood siding and exposed wood beams as well as black windows we're also looking at some exposed brick here on the first floor that's going to be light and whitewashed.

913
01:45:06.060 --> 01:45:07.320
James McCann: And we'll.

914
01:45:08.550 --> 01:45:12.390
James McCann: we'll have some a larger trees here in the in the front yard as well.

915
01:45:14.430 --> 01:45:16.320
James McCann: We did conduct.

916
01:45:17.580 --> 01:45:25.290
James McCann: A Community outreach meeting yesterday we had a zoom call there was about five neighbors who jumped on.

917
01:45:26.760 --> 01:45:36.120
James McCann: We listened to their comments, Richard was on as well and voice kind of the same comments he did to the group right now to me.

918
01:45:37.980 --> 01:45:45.630
James McCann: Direct neighbor cheryl also jumped on she had some privacy concerns and.

919
01:45:47.370 --> 01:46:01.320
James McCann: You know, I think that building all of our windows on both of the sides of our House up, you can see kind of down here are, I believe that's eight feet off the floor nine feet off the floor.

920
01:46:01.830 --> 01:46:11.850
James McCann: Both both on the first and second floor, which you know means you're not looking over into your neighbor unless you're nine feet tall, which I am not.

921
01:46:14.040 --> 01:46:24.180
James McCann: So that was her main concern and we, we also had a mellow mellow determination as well and that's a part of the materials that I provided.

922
01:46:25.830 --> 01:46:27.390
James McCann: So I think that's it Thank you.

923
01:46:30.180 --> 01:46:37.830
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you and committee members, if you raise your hand for any questions comments concerns.

924
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:50.160
Alix Gucovsky: Anyone No one.

925
01:47:00.510 --> 01:47:02.730
Alix Gucovsky: mchale I just saw you i'm pushing you back in.

926
01:47:07.980 --> 01:47:11.220
Alix Gucovsky: And nobody has any questions or comments on us.

927
01:47:16.020 --> 01:47:26.310
Alix Gucovsky: Right and we're going to go to a vote matt do you want to read the motion against that we're clear on the motion that's on the table that seconded by Barry please.

928
01:47:30.690 --> 01:47:36.870
Matthew Royce: i'll just read the final part of emotion that lubick recommends the dnc board approved the project that's a DEMO of this project.

929
01:47:39.660 --> 01:47:42.210
Alix Gucovsky: Okay i'm going to do roll call on this.

930
01:47:44.580 --> 01:47:49.260
Alix Gucovsky: Barry i'm assuming you're a yes, because you step into it, do you have your hand up again sorry.

931
01:47:50.280 --> 01:47:55.140
Michael Jensen: Yes, I did sorry I put my hand up to get panelists and then they went down, but I had a I had a question oh.

932
01:47:55.170 --> 01:48:01.680
Michael Jensen: Sorry, which, which was just generally, I thought, when we got single family homes.

933
01:48:03.660 --> 01:48:14.040
Michael Jensen: That were conforming to the specific plan and otherwise, you know by right they weren't coming before us is this solely.

934
01:48:15.060 --> 01:48:16.320
Michael Jensen: Why is this before us.

935
01:48:17.250 --> 01:48:26.820
Alix Gucovsky: Because the applicant asked for it to come before us and so we're bringing it on and now we're going to go through all basically all of the.

936
01:48:28.020 --> 01:48:40.800
Alix Gucovsky: All of the projects at every meeting that come out on the scene see reports and open them up to the public, so that if anyone wants to weigh in on this we don't have a situation like we had.

937
01:48:41.130 --> 01:48:48.300
Alix Gucovsky: Where after the fact, someone decided they wanted canal hurt and they think there was another house that that someone wanted hurt as well too.

938
01:48:48.540 --> 01:48:49.800
Michael Jensen: few years too late yeah.

939
01:48:50.250 --> 01:48:50.760
Michael Jensen: Exactly I.

940
01:48:50.790 --> 01:48:51.960
Michael Jensen: got it, so the applicant.

941
01:48:51.990 --> 01:48:54.600
Michael Jensen: elected to it was the applicant who elected.

942
01:48:55.830 --> 01:48:59.910
Alix Gucovsky: elected to do it and if an applicant elects to do it i'm not been telling him not to come before the Pack.

943
01:49:00.570 --> 01:49:01.410
Michael Jensen: Okay yeah.

944
01:49:01.620 --> 01:49:07.350
James McCann: that's there just to let you guys know we were instructed to do so by city planning so.

945
01:49:08.520 --> 01:49:09.750
James McCann: Just to just to let you know.

946
01:49:12.750 --> 01:49:12.960
Alix Gucovsky: hey.

947
01:49:13.980 --> 01:49:17.160
Alix Gucovsky: um michela anything else, because otherwise we're going to now load on the.

948
01:49:17.520 --> 01:49:19.860
Michael Jensen: call the question sorry that was, thank you for taking my.

949
01:49:20.700 --> 01:49:24.390
Alix Gucovsky: you're very welcome and various yes Corinne.

950
01:49:27.810 --> 01:49:28.380
Alix Gucovsky: Corinne.

951
01:49:28.530 --> 01:49:29.370
corinne Baginski: Yes, yes.

952
01:49:29.820 --> 01:49:33.210
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, um lauren.

953
01:49:33.810 --> 01:49:34.500
Yes.

954
01:49:36.750 --> 01:49:38.460
Alix Gucovsky: Matthew i'm assuming as a yes.

955
01:49:40.170 --> 01:49:40.770
Chris Plourde: Yes.

956
01:49:41.460 --> 01:49:42.840
Alix Gucovsky: and Andrew Mika.

957
01:49:43.410 --> 01:49:46.110
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, and mchale.

958
01:49:46.890 --> 01:49:48.660
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, renews.

959
01:49:52.050 --> 01:49:52.770
Alix Gucovsky: Finish.

960
01:49:55.530 --> 01:49:58.890
Alix Gucovsky: My news, you need to unmute yourself to give your vote, please.

961
01:50:02.040 --> 01:50:02.790
Alix Gucovsky: minish.

962
01:50:08.850 --> 01:50:09.540
Mehrnoosh: Can you hear me.

963
01:50:10.140 --> 01:50:11.100
Alix Gucovsky: yeah now we can.

964
01:50:11.310 --> 01:50:15.150
Alix Gucovsky: Yes, yes and me, yes.

965
01:50:16.680 --> 01:50:26.190
Alix Gucovsky: Great James this goes to the board meeting, which is the third Tuesday in September, which is, I will tell you the date of that.

966
01:50:28.590 --> 01:50:31.680
Alix Gucovsky: Is the 21st of September.

967
01:50:33.810 --> 01:50:34.200
Alix Gucovsky: Okay.

968
01:50:35.490 --> 01:50:35.910
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you.

969
01:50:36.660 --> 01:50:37.470
James McCann: Thank you very much.

970
01:50:37.950 --> 01:50:39.600
Alix Gucovsky: you're very welcome, thank you.

971
01:50:40.800 --> 01:50:43.140
Alix Gucovsky: And now we are going to move.

972
01:50:43.170 --> 01:50:49.560
Michael Jensen: leaks barriers in the audience, not a panelist I don't know, maybe the same thing my computer's blacked out and I got kicked.

973
01:50:50.340 --> 01:51:00.720
Alix Gucovsky: Out of technological difficulties and I try and like find where you all are, but sometimes you know i'm one person, so it gets tricky, thank you for letting me Barry i'm putting you back in.

974
01:51:04.290 --> 01:51:04.860
Alix Gucovsky: There you go.

975
01:51:06.060 --> 01:51:06.810
barrycassilly: Thank you.

976
01:51:07.560 --> 01:51:17.640
Alix Gucovsky: So great we're going to go on to sb nine and sb 10, I think, since this is discussion and we're not making any motions on it i'm going to.

977
01:51:18.090 --> 01:51:29.550
Alix Gucovsky: Open this up to public comment first and then after public comment, we can talk about it as committee and then i'll probably open it up to public comment again and then potentially.

978
01:51:31.080 --> 01:51:35.850
Alix Gucovsky: As its discussion and then potentially more committee conversations.

979
01:51:36.180 --> 01:51:42.120
barrycassilly: So shouldn't should we have some information on it before we go to public comments, so people know what they're commenting on.

980
01:51:42.990 --> 01:51:53.700
Alix Gucovsky: Well, I mean very there was a lot of materials and documentation up on sb nine and sb 10 and we've talked about it in this meeting before um.

981
01:51:53.910 --> 01:51:54.510
nevermind.

982
01:51:55.770 --> 01:51:58.200
Alix Gucovsky: I mean, yes, we, we can but.

983
01:51:58.830 --> 01:52:00.360
barrycassilly: No, no it's it's fine it's fine.

984
01:52:01.710 --> 01:52:06.840
Alix Gucovsky: I mean i'm going to assume that anyone that wants to make public comment is going to have read the materials and then.

985
01:52:07.290 --> 01:52:18.120
Alix Gucovsky: As we get into the discussion there may be some who haven't read it, and then want to add it onto that public comments so i'm trying to make this the best sort of you know conversational thing as possible.

986
01:52:18.360 --> 01:52:19.590
barrycassilly: No it's okay sorry go ahead.

987
01:52:20.280 --> 01:52:23.490
Alix Gucovsky: So I mean it's sometimes tricky to do this on zoom and we haven't done this in.

988
01:52:23.490 --> 01:52:27.210
Alix Gucovsky: The past so we're going to see how this will not work so we're now discussing.

989
01:52:27.570 --> 01:52:28.770
Alix Gucovsky: sb nine for.

990
01:52:30.000 --> 01:52:41.100
Alix Gucovsky: sb nine in sb 10 and we're opening this up to the first round of public comment anyone that would like to speak on sb night or sb 10 and make some comment before the committee starts, please raise your hand.

991
01:52:42.150 --> 01:52:45.180
Alix Gucovsky: And you can start, I see two hands up.

992
01:52:46.410 --> 01:52:46.980
Alix Gucovsky: Helen.

993
01:52:49.980 --> 01:52:52.590
Alix Gucovsky: Three hands up cool Helen.

994
01:52:54.930 --> 01:52:55.890
Helen Fallon: um yeah.

995
01:52:57.360 --> 01:53:03.420
Helen Fallon: If you happen to be a post either this you probably need to contact the governor's office and let them know you're opposed.

996
01:53:03.990 --> 01:53:13.410
Helen Fallon: I do believe that planning should be at the local level, I don't think these local decisions by the legislature, the state legislature.

997
01:53:13.890 --> 01:53:25.800
Helen Fallon: Is it all appropriate we've got you know there's no, taking into account the size of lots bills are awful bills that don't even require people to pay for the infrastructure.

998
01:53:26.190 --> 01:53:40.890
Helen Fallon: Where they you know build multiple units it's not a duplex bill it's you know, an eight unit eight to 10 unit bill on lots and we've got small lots here we can be severely impacted by this it's the you know the fantasy of.

999
01:53:41.970 --> 01:53:47.880
Helen Fallon: abundant housing and the developers I don't think that they should be the ones that drive everything thanks.

1000
01:53:48.390 --> 01:53:51.420
Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Helen and Erica.

1001
01:53:57.540 --> 01:54:17.460
Erica Moore: hi this is Erica I absolutely absolutely everything that Helen said is just so spot on and we just this doesn't work for Venice it just doesn't we're not Miami beach we can't do this kind of you know condensing so I absolutely hope that you support to not support them, thank you.

1002
01:54:18.240 --> 01:54:20.610
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Erica.

1003
01:54:22.440 --> 01:54:23.880
Alix Gucovsky: and Elizabeth right.

1004
01:54:32.010 --> 01:54:32.640
Alix Gucovsky: Elizabeth.

1005
01:54:32.850 --> 01:54:33.240
Yes.

1006
01:54:35.250 --> 01:54:47.520
Elizabeth Wright: I think that the control of the land use has been in the local level, for a very long time, and the local level has failed to address the issue of insufficient housing.

1007
01:54:49.440 --> 01:54:55.140
Elizabeth Wright: Given the local level would not do it the state has taken the initiative to take care of it.

1008
01:54:56.790 --> 01:54:57.180
Elizabeth Wright: Thank you.

1009
01:54:57.810 --> 01:54:58.830
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Elizabeth.

1010
01:55:00.870 --> 01:55:02.490
Alix Gucovsky: And john Keith.

1011
01:55:08.820 --> 01:55:15.750
John Heath: Hello neighbors and business hope everybody's doing well, this is john he from the United Homeowners association your neighbors.

1012
01:55:16.320 --> 01:55:22.950
John Heath: To the east in the park and Windsor hills and just wanted to chime in and add my voice to the conversation.

1013
01:55:23.580 --> 01:55:34.230
John Heath: and encourage you to anybody else who's listening one of well so elected elected might be listening, but you know, again as we discussed when I visited with you.

1014
01:55:34.710 --> 01:55:45.510
John Heath: A few weeks ago I think it's important to keep in mind what the ultimate policy objective is with respect to any legislation, especially something is sweeping as sb nine in sb 10.

1015
01:55:46.290 --> 01:55:57.150
John Heath: And when you look at what's really behind that those two bills what the ultimate impact is going to be particularly on communities of color and working class communities around the state.

1016
01:55:57.810 --> 01:56:04.650
John Heath: I think you'll see that this is not about creating more affordable housing, if it were there was there are some very specific.

1017
01:56:05.250 --> 01:56:19.620
John Heath: elements that are missing, that would be there if it were, and let me just read you real fast a couple of excerpts from a letter from Michael Lawson is the President of the La urban league which he wrote an opposition to sb nine.

1018
01:56:22.170 --> 01:56:28.800
John Heath: Ending single families, only one by predatory developers in the working class communities of color were properties are less expensive.

1019
01:56:29.550 --> 01:56:37.770
John Heath: The push to turn more individuals, particularly people of color into permanent renters will create a massive transfer of wealth of benefits corporate landlords and major developers.

1020
01:56:38.250 --> 01:56:50.760
John Heath: that are likely to be the primary owners of the apartments and these policies will in equitably and irreversibly transform single family communities of color and middle and lower income communities across California.

1021
01:56:51.300 --> 01:57:00.360
John Heath: into overbuilt poorly planned mostly rental communities with few local owners and insufficient infrastructure, without any due process environmental review.

1022
01:57:00.930 --> 01:57:09.780
John Heath: or local voter input and as for me myself unfortunately these two measures have galvanized me and a bunch of my neighbors.

1023
01:57:10.290 --> 01:57:16.680
John Heath: to back the Californians for Community planning initiative which you guys will hear more about but.

1024
01:57:17.580 --> 01:57:32.670
John Heath: we're going to get a ballot measure qualified for the November 22 ballot that amends the California constitution to get the state out of the business of local land use planning and zoning permanently So if you want more information on that you can go.

1025
01:57:32.670 --> 01:57:36.540
John Heath: To communities for choice.org and thanks for letting me come on for a minute.

1026
01:57:37.230 --> 01:57:38.040
Alix Gucovsky: Thanks john.

1027
01:57:39.810 --> 01:57:45.960
Alix Gucovsky: And I last comment on this round is Sean o'brien and then we'll go on a committee.

1028
01:57:47.220 --> 01:57:49.740
sean obrien: yeah hi guys, thank you very important.

1029
01:57:51.660 --> 01:57:57.750
sean obrien: You know senate bill Scott leaders been trying to get these things through, for, probably at least five years.

1030
01:57:58.980 --> 01:58:05.940
sean obrien: All of us at the local level and so sick and tired of the state's telling us what to do, we got to keep it local.

1031
01:58:08.160 --> 01:58:09.750
sean obrien: As it was said earlier.

1032
01:58:11.040 --> 01:58:20.130
sean obrien: If there is a housing shortage why doesn't this bill include affordable housing so it's completely thought, and I hope you guys agree, thank you.

1033
01:58:20.910 --> 01:58:21.810
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Sean.

1034
01:58:23.850 --> 01:58:41.760
Alix Gucovsky: All right, closing public comment for this part of the conversation and we're going to go to the committee, so please raise your hands, and I will call on you and let's try not to have very, very, very long drawn out comments Barry.

1035
01:58:43.290 --> 01:58:53.730
barrycassilly: Okay, I want, I would like to address a couple of technical points about the bills themselves, I mean, in general, briefly, I do agree with Elizabeth rights that.

1036
01:58:54.900 --> 01:59:05.340
barrycassilly: we've given local control every opportunity pretty much begged municipalities to address the housing crisis and, in many cases they've just demonstrated that they're.

1037
01:59:06.540 --> 01:59:09.570
barrycassilly: not willing to do that and, in fact, have caused the problem.

1038
01:59:10.680 --> 01:59:16.650
barrycassilly: With respect to affordable housing that's what these bills are all about these bills are all about affordable housing.

1039
01:59:17.310 --> 01:59:23.100
barrycassilly: For workforce families and middle class families, no, they do not address low income housing.

1040
01:59:23.730 --> 01:59:40.770
barrycassilly: Low income housing is one component of affordable housing they do address the largest pool of potential home buyers and renters in California, in the middle class and workforce families um.

1041
01:59:41.430 --> 01:59:49.890
barrycassilly: But, technically speaking, I just wanted to point out, with sb nine, for instance, yes, you can with a lot split potentially.

1042
01:59:50.400 --> 02:00:00.720
barrycassilly: put four units on a lot let's say, for instance, a lot in Venice on we have small lots on the bill stipulates that you that municipalities cannot.

1043
02:00:01.200 --> 02:00:12.600
barrycassilly: limit those units to less than 800 square feet arm municipalities can however there's a lot of local control left here municipalities can say, for instance, that.

1044
02:00:13.080 --> 02:00:25.980
barrycassilly: On lots below a certain square footage arm, you cannot build units more than 800 square feet they're completely within their purview to be able to do that, after sb nine passes.

1045
02:00:26.550 --> 02:00:35.940
barrycassilly: um so what would that look like we just saw two single family homes presented both of them were approximately 3000 square feet.

1046
02:00:36.780 --> 02:00:48.000
barrycassilly: um if, instead of building single family homes on those lots you built four units are maxed out under what the state would would call for ISM and among.

1047
02:00:48.540 --> 02:00:58.800
barrycassilly: On those lots you would have a building envelope of total building on flow of 3200 square feet, there would be no substantial change.

1048
02:00:59.670 --> 02:01:10.290
barrycassilly: To the building envelopes being built in any Venice neighborhoods under sb nine what there would be is housing that's much smaller.

1049
02:01:10.980 --> 02:01:28.830
barrycassilly: And infinitely more affordable than 3000 square foot single family homes i'm also with sb 10 I just like to comment that again there's tremendous room left for local control in sb 10 sb 10.

1050
02:01:29.970 --> 02:01:38.940
barrycassilly: allows municipalities to rezone areas along transportation corridors on to allow for.

1051
02:01:40.350 --> 02:01:46.890
barrycassilly: units have up to 10 to be built on single loss, it does not require that.

1052
02:01:48.810 --> 02:01:59.370
barrycassilly: Municipalities can decide, for instance in Venice along or transportation corridor where we're going to allow enough zoning but we'll stop where sb nine does, that would be four units.

1053
02:01:59.970 --> 02:02:15.360
barrycassilly: um These are just some of the specifics of these bills, I think that there has been a lot of fear mongering going on out there and and don't miss information, some of it, I really believe is deliver it but um.

1054
02:02:16.620 --> 02:02:23.940
barrycassilly: But I just want to stress that sb nine does not compromise Community character.

1055
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barrycassilly: With respect to building size in any way, I mean if people don't want more people in their neighborhoods they don't want smaller units if they don't want more affordable units that's another thing you can make that objection um so anyway that's what I have said, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: I want to just add, are you a meeting.

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Michael Jensen: I want to also add in sb nine the requirement is that the owner occupy one of the units, so one of the one of the lines i've heard in opposition to this is it's it's a giveaway to Wall Street and institutional developers and I actually think this.

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Michael Jensen: It was sort of specifically drafted to allow a regular homeowner who wants to double the units on their property.

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Michael Jensen: To do that, and maybe they do it in conjunction with a with a subdivision and you get four but either way the owner has to live in one of the units i'd also add.

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Michael Jensen: That this carves out and does not allow for doing this on any units that would be subject to our so or any other kind of rental protection.

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Michael Jensen: So it's really targeting existing single family homes that are owner occupied are going to going to be bought by the owner occupier I think it's it's much more narrow than if you talk to the john heath so the world they.

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Michael Jensen: You know, are saying Oh, this is a state taking over local control it's taking over it's directing a very specific kind of development to fill in the piece, that the market has not.

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Michael Jensen: Developed because of the way that zoning and building restrictions have driven you know single family home production to be as large as possible.

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Mehrnoosh: i'm.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sorry i'm just gonna make a comment and then i'll add you next if everyone could raise their hand, so I can call in, and that would be super helpful.

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Alix Gucovsky: And you know, a couple of things that out the small out subdivision my understanding is is that to do a small lot subdivision you need to have no mortgage on your House and most Homeowners don't have that right so.

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Alix Gucovsky: You know i'm very curious how what the what the sort of loopholes are going to be around that as far as like existing density bonuses that already exists, we have.

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Alix Gucovsky: We have the tlc guidelines and we have ad ordinances so we already have bonuses that have allowed us to increase our housing stock and yet we've only seen about a 25% increase.

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Alix Gucovsky: Then we have things like the Ellis X Okay, and you have 27,000 units, since the year.

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Alix Gucovsky: 2000 excuse me that have been taken off the market since Ellis Act came in and you know, once again, it sounds really nice like the Homeowners going to be able to split their lot and put these different different things in.

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Alix Gucovsky: I don't see that really happening under this it hasn't happened with the ordinances it hasn't happened with that with with.

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Alix Gucovsky: And I think we're dancing around the issue and the end of the day, this really becomes supply side Reaganomics of top down legislation and we're magically going to lower housing costs when.

1073
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Alix Gucovsky: You know, when we just build build build and you know many on this community on this committee talk about like environment we have lots of arguments about parking cars and.

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Alix Gucovsky: transit and density and everything else, but there are a couple things you know one.

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Alix Gucovsky: there's no water in like me and our water is dwindling dwindling and lake tahoe is on fire and east coast is being flooded with IDA.

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Alix Gucovsky: And you know first date that pretends to be as environmental, as we are that we're not actually addressing the infrastructure needs and our environmental needs.

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Alix Gucovsky: And that an urban growth machine and constant growth is not necessarily a sustainable model is is dangerous in its worst case scenario and disappointing it that's.

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Alix Gucovsky: So you know that's one issue, the disruption to communities of color which you know my friend john he can speak to quite eloquently as can you know Members in his community, I think, is something very real.

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Alix Gucovsky: we're just looking at this bill, as it pertains to Venice, but you know you see the devastation of communities of color in Hollywood in koreatown in chinatown the stories are gut wrenching and heart wrenching and certainly oakwood as well too.

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Alix Gucovsky: And you know we can get into that at a at a later at a later date, finally i'm going to add that the City Council almost unanimously, with the exception of two voted to oppose these bills and most of the West side.

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Alix Gucovsky: Councils voted to oppose these bills as well, too, so it seems there is very heavy heavy.

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Alix Gucovsky: Heavy opposition, and I would add to that you know this idea that that the cities and our politicians are going to do the right thing, well, I mean, I think we need to look no further than please are and o'farrell and.

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Alix Gucovsky: and not a Feral englander excuse me, and you know all of the real estate bribes and the hookers and everything else that they've been subject to so you know money seems to speak it, it certainly speaking here i'm burnish.

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Mehrnoosh: um if that get comments all of it i'm just thinking about if there are new bills that are presented are they there should be an overlay study.

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Mehrnoosh: Even like, for example, Venice there's so many different areas that they could be compatible, for what is there, and he could not be.

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Mehrnoosh: So, in general, I feel like it's too much to just say this is the bill that's going to take over the whole area so anyway overlays that is some partial studies and what's good and what works in any designated neighborhood.

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Mehrnoosh: make sense, no.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you for nish i'm.

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Alix Gucovsky: Barry I see your hand is up but you've spoken extensively i'd love to hear from some other Members on the.

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Alix Gucovsky: Committee who haven't spoken yet, so please like.

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Alix Gucovsky: raise your hand i'd love i'd love to hear from you guys.

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barrycassilly: And not trying to preclude anybody from speaking.

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Alix Gucovsky: I understand Barry i'm just you know we have a lot of new Members here and I just want to open the floor to some other people on this committee to to speak that's all.

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Alix Gucovsky: No one.

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Alix Gucovsky: Chris.

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hey.

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Chris Plourde: So I just heard everything you said a leaks and and I have to say that I agree with some but I don't but the way you said it is kind of.

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Chris Plourde: that's the conversation, and it frames, the conversation and very hard way to say Oh well, if we approve us if we approve a duplex on a single family home are we.

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Chris Plourde: Being anti environmental because you did indicate that and, and so I I just look, you know what I live i've lived here for 35 years.

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Chris Plourde: I got involved because it seemed to me it's an important thing that none of my daughter's peers can afford the people who grew up in Venice, who are born here grew up here can't afford to live here anymore.

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Chris Plourde: And that's a that's an issue.

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Chris Plourde: And the only way to address it is for me to die and leave her my house.

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Chris Plourde: Or to build something that they can live it while we still live here.

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Chris Plourde: And, and so.

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Chris Plourde: I understand the impulse between and I don't agree with necessarily with all of nine and 10, but I understand the impulse which is local control has not addressed that problem that we have not created in 14 years housing for our own children as they become adults.

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Chris Plourde: And, and to hear that that is an environmental disaster and we shouldn't be doing that because we're running out of water, because the seas were it rising, and all that stuff.

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Chris Plourde: That seems to me to to have preempted any discussion of how do we provide for our own children and that's my comment thanks.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thanks i'm gonna.

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Alix Gucovsky: give it to lauren and then i'm going to.

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Mehrnoosh: get it.

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Alix Gucovsky: See, if anyone else new.

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speaks.

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Alix Gucovsky: I haven't forgotten me very lauren.

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Alix Gucovsky: morning I need to unmute.

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lauren siegel: I thought I did sorry about that.

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lauren siegel: Chris I wanted to build on what you have said, I to have two daughters, who have recently graduated college and don't have the means, even though they're employed full time to live here unless they live with me, I have always found myself to be able to.

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lauren siegel: afford to live in Venice only when I live in multiple units on a single property that's just my situation and my financial situation so to me, taking the opportunity to.

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lauren siegel: live on a property, with more than one person, more than one household seems to be the direction that we need to move to in California, to be able to a.

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lauren siegel: provide more affordable housing and be to recognize that there's so much demand, and if we ignore that demand.

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lauren siegel: Housing will just continue to rise, and so i'm a big proponent of many people living on the same property if they're able to and even better if they're your own family, but so that's my thoughts, thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, Lord anyone else.

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Alix Gucovsky: Before I go back to Barry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Barry.

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Alix Gucovsky: Very see what I mean.

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barrycassilly: I thought I was sorry.

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Alix Gucovsky: There you go.

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barrycassilly: yeah it keeps me remeeting anyway um yeah I want to concur with what Chris said I live in the 700 square foot house in Venice.

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barrycassilly: um my adult son lives with me because that's, the only way he can afford to live in Dennis maybe in the future he'll be able to afford it, because i'm basically subsidizing him so he can save money to do stuff like that um.

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barrycassilly: But I really do think that family living in Los Angeles, in the future is going is going to need to be more multi unit oriented not giant apartment buildings but come on two to four unit properties or residential properties they're not commercial properties.

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barrycassilly: And they're they're completely in place in residential neighborhoods um it's it's it's a very comfortable mix.

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barrycassilly: I did want to address one comment that was made, I forget by whom, but it's about this stuff about.

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barrycassilly: Communities of color being decimated by stuff on communities of color being decimated by gentrification.

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barrycassilly: The overriding cause of gentrification is exclusionary single families zoning on everybody knows that um I don't see how communities of color can't be.

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barrycassilly: arm made more integrity, by allowing people to build smaller, less expensive units that more people in the family can enjoy in those neighborhoods um you know I realized that john heath is from you know.

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barrycassilly: Like largely non white neighborhood but it's it's exclusion exclusively single family.

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barrycassilly: i'm very familiar with those neighborhoods I really don't see where anybody's quality of life is going to be negatively impacted.

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barrycassilly: If a few more people get to live in those neighborhoods and some of those properties allow for more than one family or more than one person per unit in those lots I think it's just you know.

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barrycassilly: um, we have to do this let's try to do it like cooperatively not like having a giant war that's all I have to say.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Barry i'm gonna throw in go back to the public, now I see Tracy for corners got I probably butchered your name his hand up.

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Alix Gucovsky: And because I believe that john heath might be our only person of color here, with the exception of minutiae i'm going to bring on john back into robot to that as well too so Tracy do you want to say something.

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Tracy Thrower Conyers: Yes, thank you.

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Tracy Thrower Conyers: bye so long, but the biggest point I want to make is that there is no guarantee in these bills that these developers are going to build units for sale.

1143
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Tracy Thrower Conyers: there's been a big trend with Wall Street backing developers to build units for rent.

1144
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Tracy Thrower Conyers: And that's just going to turn us into a renter nation there's not going to be any opportunity for people to afford I mean to own the smaller units, I also want to add there's no infrastructure.

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Tracy Thrower Conyers: requirements of the developer has to pay the developer keeps the are one proposition 13 tax basis there's no sequel review know affordable units required.

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Tracy Thrower Conyers: it's going to be chaotic development and that owner occupancy requirement that was thrown in as an amendment at the very last minute it's not practical that owners with mortgages are going to talk their lenders into letting them split the the security for the loan and.

1147
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Tracy Thrower Conyers: and developers can afford to hold out of unit so it's This is all pro developer and there's no guarantee they're going to build us anything weekend bye.

1148
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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you Tracy john do you want to address some things about.

1149
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Alix Gucovsky: Communities of color I think you can probably speak to that I don't want to pretend to speak to that.

1150
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John Heath: Well, you know I don't know if if I have any unique perspective.

1151
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John Heath: I don't think you guys have to look over to my Community or South la just look at what happened in Venice, the fact that you're telling me that i'm the only person of color.

1152
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John Heath: On a meeting that's discussing who controls the land in Venice and what's going to happen with it with the history of Venice and all that that pretty much speaks for itself.

1153
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John Heath: there's a reason why all those homeless people are concentrated in and around Venice, and it may have something to do with the corporatization of.

1154
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John Heath: housing and Venice and the impact of large corporations you guys know that area much better than I do, but again, you know if this was so great.

1155
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John Heath: And I agree with some of the comments that others made about let's all and why can't we all work together and sit down and figure this out, that is exactly why we're going to push very hard against sacramento.

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John Heath: Being the arbiter of just doing away with single families owning across the state.

1157
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John Heath: This is not fear mongering, this is looking at the impact and the trends do some research you guys should go online and look at corporate ownership of single family homes.

1158
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John Heath: And what the impact of that has been, and to say that gentrification is caused by single families only.

1159
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John Heath: Come on you're talking to somebody who's sitting up the street from my house that had a cross burn in front of in 1957.

1160
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John Heath: So you know, this is not about single families on, and this is about a mentality.

1161
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John Heath: And an idea that the market knows best and these bills have been put forward by market driven forces and legislators influenced by that.

1162
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John Heath: And i'm saying that we, the people, the regular folks all of us who basically have the same interest they everybody wants.

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John Heath: affordable housing everybody wants to have a legacy to pass on to their kids you know we're all out here, struggling.

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John Heath: Less than out and figure out ways to do that, that makes sense for all of us, I don't think that there's a prohibition against somebody building an extra unit or two maybe his second junior at you, you know i'm no expert in that field, but I believe there's.

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John Heath: The ability right now with the laws on the books to build one at you, plus a junior at you.

1166
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John Heath: So what exactly are we really talking about when we're talking about this urgent need to deregulate housing.

1167
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John Heath: which, in my mind and most people that look at this are saying that's just that's a code word for corporatization and commodification of housing.

1168
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John Heath: And if you guys think that's going to be something good for us collectively.

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John Heath: I think you may need to take a closer look at the data and that's that's not a person of color issue that's a human issue that's the question about what do you want your society to look like and i'm done, at least for now.

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Michael Jensen: Can I posit an alternative just theory about that.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sure Macau, could I just there's one other person with a hand up, could I.

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Alix Gucovsky: Potentially let him speak and then and then we'll circle back to you, thank you Sean.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sean o'brien.

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Alix Gucovsky: Sean do you want it to have something to say your hand was up.

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sean obrien: There yeah the new buttons like everybody's saying sticking yeah you you've said you've touched on it briefly, we have no water, we have we we we have.

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sean obrien: electricity blackouts our infrastructure, our roads can't handle it this bill doesn't address anything with parking great you have you have four households living on one lot where are they all going to park.

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sean obrien: um you know these are the issues that aren't being addressed by this.

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sean obrien: And then, of course, you know didn't know like you said earlier, no developer improvement to the Community that he's building.

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sean obrien: Currently, right now, if my neighbor builds a brand new house he's got to redo the sidewalk he's got to redo the alley behind them at great expense and with this bill now, you know that gets pushed aside.

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sean obrien: So it's to developer incentive like I said Scott wiener has been pushing this for years, are the this went before the voters and got got voted down, he just rewarded it and put it out again for this year so that's my two cents thanks guys.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you, Mikhail.

1182
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Michael Jensen: Sure, I just want to I guess talk to speak to two things I heard that this is like nothing but.

1183
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Michael Jensen: supply side trickle down economics.

1184
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Michael Jensen: And to that you know somehow the local control, you know local jurisdictions have been willing to address this problem in any kind of effective way, the first one is that I mean.

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Michael Jensen: The same people that argue that we need to do away with airbnb because it deprives housing stock somehow in this, the other side of their mouth say that no creating more housing won't.

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Michael Jensen: You know satisfy the disparity of supply and demand and I just think you can't hold those two positions at the same time, at least, and be intellectually honest.

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Michael Jensen: and the next one, is that I mean we have seen over the last 40 years a chronic down zoning of what used to be allow for.

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Michael Jensen: All of In fact the all of the affordable housing we constantly try and protect in Venice was built at a time.

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Michael Jensen: Where you could build four units on a 2500 square foot lot and not have parking.

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Michael Jensen: And one of the reasons that it was those places were affordable was that the cost of construction, which has gone up for other reasons as well, but when you don't have to park it with you know, two spaces per unit, plus a guest space it.

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Michael Jensen: It becomes a lot easier to make affordable housing and so some of this is is really just restoring the in Venice, for instance, the kind of construction that existed at one point which actually created this multi this mixture, we have, I mean i'm on a block with several.

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Michael Jensen: 10 to 20 unit apartment buildings there's a couple of duplexes there's probably a single family home somewhere if I looked.

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Michael Jensen: You know that's the neighborhood which this bill or I would say, one of these bills is really trying to restore.

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Michael Jensen: And so it doesn't it, I can understand how it feels radical on a place like baldwin hills or in the silver triangle, but for the majority of the city it's simply restoring what existed in 1970 or 19 you know 40 years ago.

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Alix Gucovsky: and Chris and then.

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Chris Plourde: I just want to say mchale that's exactly right my street is only 15 houses it's a little walk street, but we used to have.

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Chris Plourde: three different duplexes on the street, and now we have to still and they're both hundred year old.

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Chris Plourde: And, and that is kind of the model of development that made Venice great when I bought my dogs I go by the name Dean, which is a four story high apartment building next to a single family home and across from a single family home.

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Chris Plourde: that's kind of what Venice was back then and and we down zoned ourselves are the 1.5, which meant that when I built this House, I could only build a single family home.

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Chris Plourde: that's it.

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Alix Gucovsky: Very.

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barrycassilly: um yeah.

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barrycassilly: I have to briefings to say.

1204
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barrycassilly: The elaborating on on mchale's point i'd like to point out that the area along the beach west of Pacific in Venice um what was traditionally zoned are five.

1205
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barrycassilly: arm that's why all the large apartment buildings, like the Edison or ellison excuse me, are in that part of Venice everything up to Abbot kinney was owned are for everything in oakland was zoned are for the walk streets over between Abbot kinney and Lincoln where art to.

1206
02:26:18.360 --> 02:26:21.570
barrycassilly: A lot of the canals where are three and are for.

1207
02:26:23.670 --> 02:26:32.070
barrycassilly: All of that has been down zoned to already 1.5 which essentially on our smaller launch is single families zoning.

1208
02:26:33.030 --> 02:26:44.250
barrycassilly: um what people that I know like about genesis is diversity, the eclectic nature of the Community and the down zoning that's how that that has happened.

1209
02:26:44.730 --> 02:27:04.170
barrycassilly: arm really to me strikes at the core of Genesis Community character and seeks to eliminate that character on the historic character of Venice and replace it with a homogeneous single family Community that's not Venice i'm.

1210
02:27:06.000 --> 02:27:11.010
barrycassilly: A these bills would would merely partly restore.

1211
02:27:11.490 --> 02:27:22.380
barrycassilly: Some of that density allowance it's never going to restore the height requirements when the city when the coastal Commission came in in 1980 the immediately reduce the height limit in Venice from 45 feet to 30 feeds.

1212
02:27:22.980 --> 02:27:34.890
barrycassilly: That obviously affected arm density allowances in the neighborhood one of the things that did was it immediately made it almost impossible to build all the low income housing.

1213
02:27:35.400 --> 02:27:44.370
barrycassilly: arm that had been built in the neighborhood all the almost all those like multi unit low income housing projects are four stories.

1214
02:27:45.600 --> 02:28:00.750
barrycassilly: So in one fell swoop down zoning decimated the ability to build low income housing in Venice, so what you have when you do, that is, you have a continual environment of attrition where you're just losing units and replacing them with nothing.

1215
02:28:02.070 --> 02:28:12.060
barrycassilly: And then you have people fighting a rearguard action No, we can't reduce anything well you can't it's an issue of can't reduce anything if you can build what you could build before like give us back.

1216
02:28:13.260 --> 02:28:31.440
barrycassilly: On the density allowances, we had historically and we won't have any of these problems um final thing i'd like to say is, but you know what people really need to be a lot more careful about presumptions about who is and who is not a person of color.

1217
02:28:32.460 --> 02:28:45.870
barrycassilly: That could be that could ultimately be extremely embarrassing um I don't want to be really specific here but um you know that could be that could like blow up really bad like I.

1218
02:28:47.130 --> 02:28:48.570
barrycassilly: Please be more careful.

1219
02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:57.990
Alix Gucovsky: i'm going to add i'm going to add one thing to that I think it's.

1220
02:28:58.920 --> 02:29:06.300
Alix Gucovsky: You know I think it's the law of unintended consequences we have a small lot subdivision bill that came into that came into effect because.

1221
02:29:06.600 --> 02:29:14.430
Alix Gucovsky: The ideology was we would split these lots and then we would get more affordable housing put it, and more family and workforce housing.

1222
02:29:14.820 --> 02:29:24.660
Alix Gucovsky: And what's happened what we saw tonight we see a small lot subdivision and a small lot and there's no interest in creating affordable housing there there's interest in creating a big huge.

1223
02:29:25.110 --> 02:29:39.210
Alix Gucovsky: Big, as you can house on the lot with with the exceptions and variances that were required current law allows us to build a EDU and a junior agu on our on our.

1224
02:29:40.020 --> 02:29:51.840
Alix Gucovsky: properties even our single family properties with with wave parking I don't think anybody wants to say Oh, we don't need more housing, but I think it has to be done thoughtfully sustainably.

1225
02:29:52.170 --> 02:29:59.370
Alix Gucovsky: and carefully and part of the reason there was down zoning done is because of the resources is because of what that is couldn't could not.

1226
02:30:00.060 --> 02:30:12.120
Alix Gucovsky: impact and could handle and these bills are not just related to Venice interestingly enough, most of Venice isn't zone for single family with the zoning in Venice is.

1227
02:30:12.990 --> 02:30:20.580
Alix Gucovsky: is very mixed, I think I don't know where everybody does live isom happened to actually live in a in a single families and area and.

1228
02:30:21.240 --> 02:30:30.390
Alix Gucovsky: You know my mother in law lives with us my husband's onglyza with us because she takes care of US it's a it's a real like you know traditional.

1229
02:30:31.380 --> 02:30:43.020
Alix Gucovsky: Maybe not as American as some of you know my mom's Latin American so families have extended families, and you know that's that's how we live in me and we take care of each other.

1230
02:30:43.830 --> 02:30:54.360
Alix Gucovsky: But again, you know, going back to what's in place, you know we have to see we have density bonuses, we have sb 18 1818 like, why do we need to keep hammering in.

1231
02:30:55.380 --> 02:31:02.400
Alix Gucovsky: legislation like this and and we're just talking about that, and what about the impacts in our fire zones in our coastal zones.

1232
02:31:03.030 --> 02:31:14.400
Alix Gucovsky: Potentially sb 10 is going to end up with lawsuits because it potentially violate city charters, I think that they're better ways to do this than putting through legislation that's funded by.

1233
02:31:14.760 --> 02:31:24.480
Alix Gucovsky: You know, basically, the tech industry and the building industry and the developers and those are the interests that are being represented not the interests of the people.

1234
02:31:24.900 --> 02:31:27.420
Alix Gucovsky: And that's what's highly concerning to me.

1235
02:31:28.080 --> 02:31:37.950
Alix Gucovsky: And I think if more people put their minds together to really think about how to address these these issues, looking at a post coven world where do we have underutilized commercial building.

1236
02:31:38.280 --> 02:31:52.680
Alix Gucovsky: What are our vacancies I drive all over la and I see vacancies everywhere, like what do we have this vacant what can be repurposed and we're not having those conversations it's just build build build build build with no thought process.

1237
02:31:54.090 --> 02:31:58.860
Alix Gucovsky: So anyone else in the committee cuz I know I saw some Chris I know I saw some.

1238
02:31:59.880 --> 02:32:07.260
Alix Gucovsky: hands on and, by the way, marunouchi slightly offended you with my comment about color I thought i'd mentioned you I didn't mean to be offensive they're.

1239
02:32:10.350 --> 02:32:11.370
Mehrnoosh: Changing the color.

1240
02:32:11.640 --> 02:32:13.680
Alix Gucovsky: and very and very, very.

1241
02:32:15.750 --> 02:32:19.080
Mehrnoosh: Well that's okay um it doesn't bother me.

1242
02:32:19.650 --> 02:32:21.180
barrycassilly: I was referring to myself.

1243
02:32:23.610 --> 02:32:37.770
Chris Plourde: So i'm just gonna i'm just gonna bring this back to sb nine and 10 for a second because we in Venice can address our local issues if we have the will to do so.

1244
02:32:38.880 --> 02:32:43.410
Chris Plourde: And, and the local issues in Venice as, and I think.

1245
02:32:45.750 --> 02:32:51.120
Chris Plourde: I think Barry did a great job of outlining what the old zoning used to be and now it's all 1.5.

1246
02:32:52.320 --> 02:32:59.220
Chris Plourde: The local Venice Venice issues can be solved in Venice and lakes, as you said, with the EU.

1247
02:33:00.930 --> 02:33:14.640
Chris Plourde: stuff that that stuff goes a way but it doesn't change kind of the basic of it all, but the problem that I see with nine and 10 is that it creates a single like the one shoe fits all kind of.

1248
02:33:16.740 --> 02:33:32.280
Chris Plourde: jogger for us and and that's all I have to say about that is to bring it back to this is about a beam nine and 10 and we all, I think, understand that we have our issues here and we need to address our issues here locally.

1249
02:33:33.750 --> 02:33:38.460
Chris Plourde: and not be so that ab nine and 10 become irrelevant.

1250
02:33:41.040 --> 02:33:46.710
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you i'm going to open it back up to the Community for a bit any any hands up, I thought I saw some hands up.

1251
02:33:50.100 --> 02:33:51.270
Alix Gucovsky: cool Helen.

1252
02:33:55.980 --> 02:34:05.310
Helen Fallon: yeah for the record Barry is completely wrong about canal zoning i'm not going to go into the details, but he does not know what he's talking about and to.

1253
02:34:06.180 --> 02:34:21.810
Helen Fallon: know the sb nine and 10 reply to parts of us that are not under the coastal Commission, so I think it's we can't we saw that on our own here lying on what we can do in Venice because.

1254
02:34:23.910 --> 02:34:42.030
Helen Fallon: we've got East Venice the luck with that and good luck to those folks and I would reiterate and Alexis keep mentioning it, we already are zone for three units on a lot, so I don't know why we need to have to go bigger and and more it's just overkill and there's obviously.

1255
02:34:43.620 --> 02:34:46.890
Helen Fallon: things about these bills that probably we don't even know.

1256
02:34:48.180 --> 02:34:48.690
Helen Fallon: Thanks.

1257
02:34:49.200 --> 02:34:51.330
Alix Gucovsky: Thanks Helen Eric more.

1258
02:34:55.380 --> 02:35:07.650
Erica Moore: hi um I yeah I want to say that I, there is, it is happening so often about a piece of property that does have multiple units on it being changed being a gigantic you know mcmansion.

1259
02:35:08.070 --> 02:35:17.100
Erica Moore: And it is true that people can build as a to use my next door neighbor just did that and their extended family that the parents of the couple of it live there.

1260
02:35:17.580 --> 02:35:33.990
Erica Moore: are going to be moving into it, so I think that that is what we should be promoting and I think it is really important that we keep it local you know I think Venice knows more about what Venice needs than California for unquote knows about what Venice needs, thank you.

1261
02:35:34.830 --> 02:35:36.630
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you shana Ryan.

1262
02:35:42.240 --> 02:35:44.850
Alix Gucovsky: yeah i'm waiting john we can hear.

1263
02:35:45.000 --> 02:35:45.420
It.

1264
02:35:47.040 --> 02:35:47.880
Alix Gucovsky: We can hear you.

1265
02:35:48.150 --> 02:35:51.360
sean obrien: Okay, I think, sorry, I just wanted to.

1266
02:35:52.410 --> 02:36:08.880
sean obrien: talk a little bit about what Barry said about the D zoning since the 70s it's all been known that, because of the way it was zoned in that parking wasn't a wasn't required during the 60s and 70s, when things were getting built out here.

1267
02:36:09.930 --> 02:36:16.890
sean obrien: That that had disastrous consequences for us in the future when it comes to parking um.

1268
02:36:17.790 --> 02:36:32.670
sean obrien: And that's why they changed the laws and that's why they made it and got went so far, the other way and created the mess that how how vital parking was, and so you can't keep going back and forth just assume you know with with the whims of the day.

1269
02:36:33.720 --> 02:36:42.390
sean obrien: And what's been stated in the past, is this is not going to lower the cost, basically, what this is going to do is it's going to lower.

1270
02:36:43.020 --> 02:36:52.620
sean obrien: The quality of life and the prices are going to stay the same you're just going to get less so it's a Shell game it's for the developers.

1271
02:36:53.130 --> 02:37:02.940
sean obrien: I live in a multi unit building i'm all for duplexes try plexus have but you know they got to have the parking they got to have the infrastructure.

1272
02:37:03.630 --> 02:37:12.690
sean obrien: is going to be done right and this bill is to blanket and of please don't use stuff like you know.

1273
02:37:13.440 --> 02:37:28.680
sean obrien: Very that you know we resolved properly in the 70s and we're not now we didn't have the population in the 70s, that we have now, you know, and you can't go in if that's been disastrous since the 80s that's why it was changed all but thanks guys thanks.

1274
02:37:33.330 --> 02:37:41.430
Alix Gucovsky: Thank you i'm going to bring it back to the committee Is there anyone that I haven't heard from corrine Andrew I.

1275
02:37:42.750 --> 02:37:46.710
Alix Gucovsky: Think, we lost Matthew anybody that wants to say anything else.

1276
02:37:49.500 --> 02:37:50.700
Alix Gucovsky: Before we close up.

1277
02:37:51.330 --> 02:37:52.440
barrycassilly: have one today.

1278
02:37:52.890 --> 02:37:55.350
Alix Gucovsky: hold on can we can we raise hands, please.

1279
02:37:56.640 --> 02:37:57.000
barrycassilly: Okay.

1280
02:37:57.120 --> 02:38:00.450
Alix Gucovsky: Very great I heard two voices, please.

1281
02:38:06.930 --> 02:38:07.350
Alix Gucovsky: Very.

1282
02:38:07.890 --> 02:38:19.380
barrycassilly: Well, oh Sorry, I just wanted to address Helens comment i'm i'm looking at the original zoning map for Venice and the canals were zone, all of them.

1283
02:38:19.920 --> 02:38:29.910
barrycassilly: Were zoned are three, with the exception of one canal, and that was our for so Helen would like that zoning that i'd be happy to send it to her, thank you.

1284
02:38:34.380 --> 02:38:35.460
Alix Gucovsky: did anyone else.

1285
02:38:37.140 --> 02:38:37.860
Alix Gucovsky: I see mchale.

1286
02:38:39.450 --> 02:38:44.550
Michael Jensen: yeah I just i'm wondering where so so you put this on for discussion.

1287
02:38:46.650 --> 02:39:04.110
Michael Jensen: And where are we going with because I this isn't the first time this has been up for discussion, my recollection is the last time was not emotion that was coming out of this are we looking to prepare some kind of CIS or staff report.

1288
02:39:07.470 --> 02:39:09.120
Michael Jensen: what's the what's the end goal here.

1289
02:39:09.600 --> 02:39:19.950
Alix Gucovsky: um so look, I mean Miquel one of the things that that has been talked about is is having more conversations about what's going on in land use, both at the.

1290
02:39:20.220 --> 02:39:30.600
Alix Gucovsky: local level and state level, and these bills have been around for a while, I mean, as we all know, they pass the Assembly they pass to Center we don't know if Gavin newsom is going to.

1291
02:39:31.500 --> 02:39:36.150
Alix Gucovsky: veto them or if he's going to sign them or if he's going to do nothing and let them get signed.

1292
02:39:36.420 --> 02:39:44.430
Alix Gucovsky: So I don't think there's anything more for us to do City Council already opposed to these bills westside regional association of Councils already.

1293
02:39:44.730 --> 02:40:01.200
Alix Gucovsky: Unanimous pretty pretty heartily endorse the City Council recommendation, not to support these bills and now and we're going to do this in a in a later meeting, we have a CA seven which is going to hopefully go on the ballot to.

1294
02:40:02.250 --> 02:40:13.890
Alix Gucovsky: You know, to ask that that land use issues not be determined by the state, and so I think this is probably a good starter conversation.

1295
02:40:14.250 --> 02:40:19.710
Alix Gucovsky: To when we when we look at a CA seven or to see if these bills actually get signed.

1296
02:40:20.190 --> 02:40:27.690
Alix Gucovsky: And it's certainly going to impact, you know the decisions that that we make, and what we look at as a Community.

1297
02:40:27.990 --> 02:40:38.580
Alix Gucovsky: And you know clearly there are a lot of Members in the Community who follow land use issues, who are very interested about these bills about about the future of development.

1298
02:40:38.910 --> 02:40:57.240
Alix Gucovsky: Not just in Venice, because these bills are our state bills they apply everywhere, they apply to Murray county they apply to to Huntington beach they apply to to San Diego so it's it's good in hat how how development goes throughout California.

1299
02:40:57.540 --> 02:40:59.610
Michael Jensen: So I think, to be.

1300
02:40:59.640 --> 02:41:14.040
Michael Jensen: put on it, it bears noting that Moran and I think the rancho Palace veritas to have the richest widest neighborhoods in California, are some of the most vocal against.

1301
02:41:15.210 --> 02:41:19.860
Michael Jensen: You know, doing anything to disrupt their single families owning but anyway, let me.

1302
02:41:21.420 --> 02:41:22.320
Michael Jensen: hold on hold on, let me.

1303
02:41:23.910 --> 02:41:26.190
barrycassilly: Why don't we just do a motion like normal.

1304
02:41:27.810 --> 02:41:30.660
Alix Gucovsky: Because there's no motion on this it's a it was a discussion item.

1305
02:41:30.690 --> 02:41:31.140
Michael Jensen: But what I.

1306
02:41:31.260 --> 02:41:32.250
Michael Jensen: What I was gonna say.

1307
02:41:32.700 --> 02:41:50.160
Michael Jensen: No in terms of where we're going with this why don't we some of the biggest criticisms i've seen investee nine and 10 is that it deprives local control, well, we are as local of a political body, if you can call it that, as there is so why don't we.

1308
02:41:52.170 --> 02:41:57.090
Michael Jensen: come up with, I mean for Venice like I mean I think a few of us have said this like.

1309
02:41:57.480 --> 02:42:10.860
Michael Jensen: This bill is not so radical in Venice, it might be radical and mentor paul's various which was i'm sure why they are enraged that anyone who would think about passing it but in terms of our local control, I mean.

1310
02:42:11.910 --> 02:42:22.590
Michael Jensen: If this is the consensus of the Community, that that to create or restore the kind of landscape that we used to have is what we want to do, why don't we tell.

1311
02:42:23.460 --> 02:42:28.920
Michael Jensen: The city council that or whatever the consensus ends up being but rather than.

1312
02:42:29.490 --> 02:42:41.610
Michael Jensen: You know, doing this thing where well we don't like this, you know States trying to impose this on us and we don't like it, because we want local control okay well what's our local solution, because the City Council certainly is out of ideas that.

1313
02:42:42.660 --> 02:42:42.990
Michael Jensen: fairly.

1314
02:42:43.530 --> 02:42:43.770
sure.

1315
02:42:45.240 --> 02:42:55.560
Alix Gucovsky: Well, to that end mchale you're right, and so you know this dovetails into more discussion on our LCP and our and our Community plan update.

1316
02:42:56.400 --> 02:43:01.380
Alix Gucovsky: i've asked i've already reached out to city planning and i've asked them to come back in again they were.

1317
02:43:01.650 --> 02:43:09.120
Alix Gucovsky: They were I don't know who from our if you and matt and Barry were here, the last time they came in, I think Clinique he came in.

1318
02:43:09.360 --> 02:43:19.770
Alix Gucovsky: yeah pretty good to come in and she did a Q amp a with us in the Community, so I think I think it's multi multi tiered I think we need to bring city planning in I think we need to see a red line version.

1319
02:43:20.160 --> 02:43:29.490
Alix Gucovsky: Of what they're looking at for our Community plan update i've also asked back blessed need to come in to talk about the housing element I haven't heard back from him yet.

1320
02:43:29.670 --> 02:43:45.600
Alix Gucovsky: But that's on the plans as well to just so you know, everybody knows what's going on and where and where we're going, and then, once we start hearing this and we hear more Community you know Community feedback, then we can start actually getting motions and making suggestions.

1321
02:43:46.380 --> 02:43:52.680
barrycassilly: We already had a motion on this that we voted down there was a rack motion that came to the Committee.

1322
02:43:54.240 --> 02:44:07.320
barrycassilly: I still have a problem with these motions coming to the committee, and not through the committee arm I don't see why we can't discuss stuff at our committee and have emotion come out of our committee.

1323
02:44:07.800 --> 02:44:10.020
Michael Jensen: I mean that's how we ever send anything to rack.

1324
02:44:10.740 --> 02:44:13.560
Alix Gucovsky: We can send things to wrap if we would like to.

1325
02:44:13.980 --> 02:44:15.660
barrycassilly: Why don't we send something to right now.

1326
02:44:16.440 --> 02:44:17.190
um.

1327
02:44:19.080 --> 02:44:20.490
Alix Gucovsky: Well there's no motion notice so.

1328
02:44:20.490 --> 02:44:21.330
Michael Jensen: We can't do that.

1329
02:44:21.570 --> 02:44:24.630
Michael Jensen: Why don't we why don't we send them the motion on this.

1330
02:44:25.860 --> 02:44:27.210
Alix Gucovsky: One wait that's all.

1331
02:44:29.220 --> 02:44:31.770
Alix Gucovsky: Excuse me, let me just finish my thought for a second.

1332
02:44:32.670 --> 02:44:43.620
Alix Gucovsky: We can send we can send motions to rack if that's what you guys would like to do you guys can certainly attend rap and propose motions and see if they get.

1333
02:44:44.010 --> 02:45:01.620
Alix Gucovsky: and see if they get endorsed at rock I also mentioned at the beginning of this that Rack has pretty much opposed the Scott wiener legislation very heavily, whether it be sb 50 I think it was sb 827 and I forgot what the other ones were are.

1334
02:45:02.940 --> 02:45:19.860
Alix Gucovsky: But you know i'm happy to to to forward out, you know the Rack information when people when we were having our meetings and you're you're welcome to attend, I am the I am the designated rap and john reed is my alternate so i'm the only one that can vote it if, in my absence john boats.

1335
02:45:20.340 --> 02:45:22.890
barrycassilly: Understanding is right doesn't just make stuff.

1336
02:45:22.890 --> 02:45:27.060
barrycassilly: up out of thin air, but the neighborhood committees send stuff to rock.

1337
02:45:27.600 --> 02:45:29.040
barrycassilly: yeah takes up.

1338
02:45:29.460 --> 02:45:46.740
Alix Gucovsky: that's that's that's inaccurate very rough each committee rock has rock has committees not dissimilar from from the nc Councils so there's a transportation committee at rack there's a homeless committee at rack there's a link to use committee at Rack.

1339
02:45:48.360 --> 02:45:56.040
Alix Gucovsky: I don't know if i'm missing any others i'm sure I am there's a board committee there's a board and each committee within Rack.

1340
02:45:56.940 --> 02:46:11.310
Alix Gucovsky: has representatives from all the neighborhood Councils, so the homeless committee has REPS from Venice and mar vista and del rey and homes and Brentwood and the Pacific palisades and westwood.

1341
02:46:12.300 --> 02:46:17.940
Alix Gucovsky: and West la anyway, the list goes on there a whole bunch of Councils and each committee.

1342
02:46:18.360 --> 02:46:25.500
Alix Gucovsky: works and makes motions and those motions getting voted on, and then they go out of committee to the rap board and then the rap board votes on them.

1343
02:46:25.770 --> 02:46:37.710
Alix Gucovsky: And the rap board then sends them out to the neighborhood Councils and once the majority of neighborhood Councils approve the motions out of rap those are formal adopted positions by rock.

1344
02:46:38.430 --> 02:46:42.420
barrycassilly: Which is all fine but we're, this is the Venice neighborhood Council.

1345
02:46:44.400 --> 02:46:45.150
barrycassilly: and

1346
02:46:46.620 --> 02:46:50.160
barrycassilly: I would like to do our job and i'm.

1347
02:46:50.220 --> 02:46:50.550
Sorry.

1348
02:46:53.040 --> 02:46:54.090
Alix Gucovsky: hey guys.

1349
02:46:54.180 --> 02:47:14.280
barrycassilly: I would, I would like, I would like to be proactive on the part of the Community that we're representing I mean everybody was elected arm and I would like to be able to send stuff up to the dnc that we care about one way or another, they don't have to vote yes on anything um but.

1350
02:47:15.420 --> 02:47:16.680
barrycassilly: that's the way it works right.

1351
02:47:17.610 --> 02:47:18.540
Michael Jensen: And I just.

1352
02:47:19.770 --> 02:47:36.150
Michael Jensen: kind of just make a comment that it seems just having a bunch of neighborhoods that are not necessarily facing similar issues to Venice, like the palisades and Brentwood and mar vista and.

1353
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Michael Jensen: You know all the other CD 11 and see, is it is sort of just a different version of a top down.

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Michael Jensen: sort of in organic way of passing legislation just existing observation.

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Alix Gucovsky: Okay, so I don't I don't really agree with that mchale and I don't think we're gonna get go into this argument much longer, but.

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Alix Gucovsky: Yes, we're the dentist neighborhood Council, so this committee can make motions that pertain only to Venice that we then send up to the board to either yay or nay.

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Alix Gucovsky: You are welcome to come to the Rack meetings, whether they be board meetings or live peck meetings and listen to what's going on engaged in the conversation.

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Alix Gucovsky: Work on motions propose motions, but the.

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Alix Gucovsky: purpose of rock redefine and sb 10 our state bills, it is thoroughly within the jurisdiction of rat to take a position on these bills and it's it's done by every Council in wrath weighing in that's how the system is set up it's not it's not meant to discuss.

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Alix Gucovsky: An issue that only affects Venice, or only affects mar vista or only affects the palisades and in fact we have kicked motions out of rat Pack that are just specific to a certain neighborhood Council.

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barrycassilly: So that's all great and like Rack, you know I look I don't care what rock does um but.

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barrycassilly: Like, I would like, for us to do to function and our role within our Community, like, for instance, we talked about all this stuff tonight um, how do we go about having emotion related to what we talked about that would then go to the board what what's the process for that.

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Mehrnoosh: very, very unlikely.

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Alix Gucovsky: You could write emotion, you could write emotion and we could bring it to his committee.

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Alix Gucovsky: and to have it as public forum with a report and then we can send it to the board.

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barrycassilly: So I need I would need to prepare a report.

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barrycassilly: explaining my emotion.

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Alix Gucovsky: yeah and i'm happy to talk about this with you offline.

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barrycassilly: Okay sounds great Thank you.

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Alix Gucovsky: But I just want to be very clear on rap that like you may not like the Rack emotions, but as the dnc we are part of rack so unless we say we want to leave rock, it is our responsibility to take the emotions that are passed by the Boards at rack and say yay or nay.

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barrycassilly: So I just wanted I just don't want to substitute rock stuff for what we're doing so.

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Alix Gucovsky: This rock stuff is specifically devoted to the to the to the larger regional issues so, for example, we would not put emotion through rack loopy about the median project why because it has nothing to do with the palisades or mar vista that's unique to them us.

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Michael Jensen: But there was a rack motion that was essentially targeting three or four projects and whatever it does.

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Alix Gucovsky: It targeted multiple projects across the district.

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Alix Gucovsky: It wasn't.

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Michael Jensen: I know it, but it was it was targeting three or one doesn't matter.

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barrycassilly: Okay, listen let it go, please.

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Michael Jensen: A lot yeah I will.

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Michael Jensen: be tracked my comment.

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Alix Gucovsky: Thank you um with that i'm going to adjourn i'm going to adjourn the meeting.

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Michael Jensen: invite everyone.

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Alix Gucovsky: No further.

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Alix Gucovsky: No further business and also emails on on procedure and how we're doing things and I know there's lots of case work to get done so thank you.

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Chris Plourde: pleasure everybody.

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Michael Jensen: goodnight goodnight down.

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Michael Jensen: To go.