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Alix: Jim.

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james murez: yeah hang on one second i'm trying to get everybody promoted.

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james murez: Well i'll go back to that, let me promote you know to co host.

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james murez: Okay, you should now show up as Co host.

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james murez: Am did you make this a joint meeting.

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Alix: know.

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james murez: And you do that from now on in the future i'd like to be able to promote people like Mike bravo to be a panelist so he can speak freely, but I can't do that if if.

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Alix: he's not well let's discuss that online, because I was doing some conversations with the Department of with done and they're they're trading on committees and whatnot.

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Alix: And I think we're probably close to corn with me, Chris mchale chef and TIM, so I think we're just waiting on Barry and.

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james murez: You know you have five people, so you can certainly start your meeting.

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Alix: I can certainly start but I mean we're only 631 so i'm going to you know just make sure you wait a couple minutes to see if everyone's joining.

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james murez: Okay i'm going to leave this.

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james murez: This thing running in the background and.

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james murez: i'm working on the other, stuff that the dad calm agenda and stuff and.

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james murez: You know if you need something just speak up and i'll try and listen with a soft volume.

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Alix: All right, well, I can also just text you, if I need something to.

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Alix: Okay, thank.

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Alix: You TIM, I appreciate it.

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No problem.

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Alix: Everybody it's.

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Alix: for everyone here at 630, which is a little bit early from our start time so i'm just going to give us a couple more minutes to see if our other committee members join us and, if not we'll get started sorry for the changes.

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Alix: Great so just so everybody knows we have quorum, but I just am given courtesy to two of the committee members, to see if they're going to show up and if they do we'll get started i'm going to give them about another five minutes.

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Alix: Typically, we have our meetings at seven but we had some technical glitches today so we're going for a 630 then.

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Alix: Okay we'll give us five more minutes and then we'll get started so anyone that hasn't finished dinner finish up.

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Alix: Yes.

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Chris Zonnas: It did you say we're starting like five minutes late like at 640.

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Alix: yeah we're starting at 640 I just emailed Barry and matt to see if they were joining us.

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Alix: tonight and.

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Alix: I don't see them so but I thought i'd give them like a couple minutes.

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Alix: Before we.

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Alix: Before we started, especially with the changes and then we'll get going pretty pretty close right.

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Alix: We do have corn, but.

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Alix: Two more minutes and we're gonna get started.

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Alix: Alright, great we are going to get started.

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Alix: It is 6:48pm i'd appreciate it if people could turn their cameras on, so the public can see i'm going to start with a roll call leaks i'm here Barry I don't see TIM bone cells.

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Alix: daft is no longer serving she's VP not really say don't see Chris Jonas.

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Chris Zonnas: yeah here.

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Alix: chef stern.

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Shepard Stern: here.

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Alix: And mchale.

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Michael Jensen: Your.

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Alix: And Carlos has resigned because of family issues, so we have quorum with fiberglass.

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Alix: Does anyone want to make a motion to approve the Minutes from July eight.

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Michael Jensen: promotions.

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Alix: Thank you shop.

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Alix: And i'll do a roll call mchale.

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Alix: Yes, chat.

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Alix: And TIM.

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Alix: Chris.

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Alix: and myself great.

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Alix: 500 i'm motion to approve the agenda.

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Tim Bonefeld: hey can I oh.

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Tim Bonefeld: My God.

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Tim Bonefeld: Oh no I would love to make a motion to.

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Tim Bonefeld: to modify the agenda and remove case number eight just because the drawings for just uploaded to the folder I haven't had a chance to review them there's a bunch of CA is on a project I think that'd be a little more time to hear this project.

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Tim Bonefeld: that's all I have so my agenda would be I mean my emotion, would be to remove.

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Tim Bonefeld: Cases case a for tonight's agenda.

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Alix: And i'm i'm fine with that because it's quite extensive and we have a lot of things to go through.

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Tim Bonefeld: You say good or.

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Alix: l SEC i'll second.

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Michael Jensen: hold on it well, I have a question about there are a number of items that we've already heard at Luke peg and I know there were sent back by the board or something but.

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Michael Jensen: In the interest of time do we have to rehear public comment on the same case, if nothing has changed because we've already heard public comment.

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Alix: And yes, we have to hear public.

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Alix: comment because.

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Alix: that's part of being transparent and we don't know if there were people that maybe weren't at the Olympic meeting and it worth the board meeting and had questions and wanted it remanded back.

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Alix: I will speak to the fact that will be as, as I said to his put push back to us, even though we've heard it sees a new case D, so that you understand, we understand came through came through Lou Pack.

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Alix: Several times and if you'll know that a CDP was issued at all hearings and it kills are exhausted so quite frankly I mean this is really just a formality, we shouldn't have a tremendous amount of public comments or debate on it i'm saying.

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Michael Jensen: hold on i'm specifically talking about item be an item oh.

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Michael Jensen: gee but the project room key.

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Alix: So D I just spoke to which is that that the CDP has already been issued and all hearings and appeals have been exhausted, but the applicants still asked us to go through the formality of putting it on live.

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Michael Jensen: i'm talking about the B, as in boy.

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Alix: Oh sorry Nick hell, I thought you were saying D.

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Alix: B is as one we're going to have to hear public comment on, because it was kicked back to the board, and there are questions in the.

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Alix: board meeting from Members in the public and as for G project room key ramada INN I spoke to Tracy parks, today this is essentially a cleaned up version of the of the motion that we passed the last time around.

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Alix: I can't imagine we're going to have a lot of public on an audit, we might never know but, as I said, it is a, it is a cleaned up motion, I think we just have to see what happens when we get to it just.

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Say sorry i'm.

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Alix: Sorry mccalla just see Jim with his hand up so.

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james murez: Please let me help finish I don't i'm not.

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Alix: Okay well.

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Michael Jensen: Two questions on I guess point points of order here one for us to rehear a case that has just come back because it's a clean up, I mean isn't that essentially a reconsideration it's the same exact.

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Michael Jensen: So to do a reconsideration i'm pretty sure someone who voted against it, or for it before has to make someone who voted against it has to vote for it, or make the motion to reconsider it.

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Michael Jensen: The second question or the second point is the City Council i've sat through meetings where they do this when they have had a public comment.

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Michael Jensen: period for an agenda when it goes on to the next public body does not require public comment or when a the same case comes before them.

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Michael Jensen: does not require a second round of public comment, so I don't know what the standard we're using is but i'm just saying the City Council has done this where, if they hear the same exact case again they don't have to allow public comment.

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Michael Jensen: Anyway, I think there's a battle there.

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Alix: Well, I mean look just for point, point of point of point of reference, like I had more questions on be after I got kicked back again to loop back sorry Jim you had something you wanted to say.

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james murez: yeah, I just wanted to comment that there were several things that were sent back to loop back, not because.

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james murez: The the committee didn't do a good job and doing whatever they did, but there was no information about what was happening.

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james murez: The one item, I believe, on paloma 22 paloma the motion that was recorded on the loop pack minutes said it was a motion.

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james murez: To approve reconsideration of the previous motion, and there was no previous motion described so we had no idea what motion was made and what motion wasn't So if you have an ocean.

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Michael Jensen: Where those the Minutes from last meeting.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I.

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Alix: Jim I mean.

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james murez: Is there is no, there was a couple of motions that were posted on the vm CS website that were forwarded to add calm and IRA wasn't going to allow them on the boards agenda at all, and he said.

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james murez: we'll do it this last time, but it makes no sense because there's no description of what's being approved or what's not being approved.

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james murez: So I think if you pull that up you'd see that and all you'd have to do is go back to your original case restate what the motion was retake the vote and be done with it.

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james murez: Nothing really has changed that i'm aware of other than it wasn't recorded into the Minutes and it wasn't forward a dad come that way.

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james murez: Let me just finish please with the item from from Tracy parks, it was rewarded, the new wording has to be considered and voted on as though it is a new.

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james murez: wording, because there was a number of minor differences, but the general public didn't understand, I mean they never got to see what the final approval was, and so we don't have anything at add COM, it was ever approved.

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james murez: And so that guy.

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Michael Jensen: up in the gotcha are any of his any of that related to the reason that this is a 630 meeting that was noticed with 24 hours.

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james murez: i'll let the leaks address that.

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Alix: So I put the I put the meeting posting up, excuse me at the on broke and for whatever reason it wasn't it wasn't.

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Alix: It was taken down or wasn't there you know I don't really know and I didn't photograph it so that's bad on me, I should have photographed it and sent it to Jim fully noted on my end and so therefore I had to cancel the meeting and redo it with an earlier.

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Alix: With an earlier start time.

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james murez: And so, let me just let me just add to that that all committees.

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james murez: When they do a physical posting they need to take a photograph of it, they need to send it to daffodil and myself, so we have a recordation.

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james murez: That it was done properly, otherwise we have no way of knowing it was miss CIVITAS are some bandele or something that took down the posting and as a result, we had to do a.

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james murez: what's called a special 24 hour meeting we talked to the city about how to deal with this, because there was no posting their yesterday afternoon.

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james murez: stakeholder contacted me and said hey there's no posting you can't have a loop back meeting and rather than tell all of the people that are on the seven o'clock agenda.

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james murez: The city said well you can't do it at the same time, because we have a policy that says you can't use a 24 hour notice to replace a 72 hour notice, because you forgot.

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james murez: I said okay well, what can we do, and they said, you can move the meeting forward a half an hour add another item to your agenda.

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james murez: it's something that needs to be discussed and then by the time seven o'clock rolls around you can continue your original seven o'clock meeting, but you have to cancel the seven o'clock meeting.

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james murez: And everything that was on the seven o'clock meeting had to be posted on to the 630 meeting and then properly noticed all over again through the city through the Boards website and and by physically posting.

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Alix: hope that is.

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Alix: which was done and, by the way, just to go to 22 paloma the motion was to reconsider the motion to approve the project, which was which, which you know.

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Alix: I don't know why that wasn't clear that was the actual motion, so it should have been emotion, to prove it, but what came came to pass at the board meeting was that there was also not ample information on the project and that why that is why it was kicked back to the board on paloma.

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james murez: Let me just add that, as we go forward to the new board we're going to want staff reports posted on loop Pack.

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james murez: For all cases prior to the loop back meeting, we also aren't going to be holding placeholders for every single project that comes in it's going to be a very rare exception that we have a placeholder.

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james murez: everything needs to be scheduled farther in advance and the cnc report makes that possible usually have two or three months before the project actually gets heard by the city.

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james murez: And that's plenty of time to let loose get through it now, I know it hasn't been done in the past i'm not making any blaine's or any faults.

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james murez: there's a lot of procedures that haven't been done and haven't been followed.

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james murez: And we have to try and get back to those because we really want to be a lot more transparent to the Community, we want everybody to have fair notice of when things are happening.

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james murez: And these are just small steps that we have to take, and it may be painful at the beginning, but we're going to get back to it.

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Alix: We had a suspended for.

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james murez: Real well in the past and we want to get back to where that was.

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Alix: And Jim and I discussed this already as well, too, but if you'll notice, I mean Look, we will sometimes need placeholder emotions just because of the volume of.

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Alix: Work that comes through this committee, but that That being said, we're also starting to post, you know if I, if I have agenda as well before 72 hours they go up as draft agenda, so people can start seeing and getting prepped for what is going up for the upcoming meetings.

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james murez: So one last one last thing so and then i'm going to get off because I have to go.

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Alix: yeah.

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My family.

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Alix: My meeting.

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james murez: yeah the The one thing that is also going to be changing in the new pack we're going to be asking the staff person to make the presentation to the board.

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james murez: We want to have the the person that is most familiar with the project be able to present it so if there are questions and idiosyncrasies about a case that.

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james murez: We didn't understand at the board for some reason, something in the staff report something that's come up in the meantime, have a public.

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james murez: person, you know but somebody in the in the general public, has a question about a case.

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james murez: We want the staff person to be there because they're the ones that are most familiar with the project so that is going to be an additional time consideration that.

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james murez: People applying for lubec should probably be thinking about I want to let you guys all know because I know you're all.

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james murez: You know, been doing a great job, and it is going to take a little bit of extra time.

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james murez: To come to those extra meetings but, but hopefully you'll you'll all be happy to go along with it, by the way, this is the procedure that was in place and adopted by the board back in 2006 so those standing, these are standing procedures.

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Alix: And i'm going to add to that which is that whoever staff on a project is going to make sure that the applicant is aware of board meetings and gets gets me and the committee all relevant materials in a timely manner.

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james murez: Okay, if nobody has any.

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james murez: yeah i'm gonna say goodnight for now.

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Alix: Okay, thanks, Jim anybody else.

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Alix: uh TIM, I saw you had a hand up do you have anything else on this agenda.

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Tim Bonefeld: I was just wondering when the public hearing and isn't that 356 before we.

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Alix: well.

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Alix: Actually, we should actually we should actually talk about that because before we amended the agenda it's June 21.

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Alix: it's June 21 hearing and the CDP is pending, so you know it may become problematic to push this off to the.

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Alix: To the end of August, which would be a September board meeting.

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Shepard Stern: May I ask what the issue is with this what what is the because we got away from it, with all that stuff well procedure, what was the problem, this was posted to lay.

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Alix: The plans.

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Tim Bonefeld: Is for ca's I think on this project and the drawings was posted maybe 545 535 something around there so be viewing a set of joins that's 36 pages.

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Tim Bonefeld: seems.

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Tim Bonefeld: Excessive.

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Alix: mile and murder, the problem TIM, just so you know, is, I asked.

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Alix: For like pdfs to be sent, and I back through the emails to find an actual link, which makes it obviously you know trickier for me to post whatever that's water under the bridge.

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Tim Bonefeld: So you know i'm going to stand by my emotions and.

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Tim Bonefeld: project a from tonight's meeting.

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Michael Jensen: When did the applicant send the plants.

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Shepard Stern: The applicant first, so the plan is to look back at my email.

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Alix: yeah begin to.

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Michael Jensen: 30.

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Alix: Day Mikhail This is my phone as of Sunday hold on stop as of Sunday, I had asked for the plans to be said in PDF format, so they can be uploaded.

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Alix: And the applicant said oh i'm going to get my system to do it and they never came through and kept following up and, finally, I went back through all the emails and found there was a drop off links dropbox.

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Alix: link, excuse me that usually we don't post that we asked for them to be in PDF formats, but because we were coming into the meeting I posted it so There you have it, which goes back to.

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Alix: The process and procedures, which is that one staff is assigned staff is going to be responsible to ensure that we get all documentation in a timely manner.

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Alix: But here's what I would suggest TIM.

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Alix: Rather than here's what I would suggest, because I agree with you, I think we should allow the applicant to make a presentation on the project, and we should continue it.

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Alix: To the next meeting.

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Alix: Yes, great and conflicts of interest or ex parte communication i've spoken with all stuff and and all REPS um and with Tracy park on her project remodel project fruitcake.

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Alix: No one else i'm moving on to the cmc reports so we're not going to go through this today because we're going to have a new loop Hoc Committee.

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Alix: After the board meeting in two weeks, but or week and a half, I should say, but moving forward, we will talk about the cmc reports at the.

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Alix: start of each meeting and we'll go through what cases are on there and what either we will hear what we will not hear and just send sort of a de minimis.

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Alix: de minimis letter on and that way we'll have full transparency that everything on the cnc reports is being addressed looked at and covered and the public will know.

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Alix: Who is or is not being assigned staff on something and can make comment So there you have it on that.

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CJ Cole: One more time I am requesting that all committee Members in attendance and then identified as working on working this evening to turn their cameras on i'm sorry we cannot have meetings, without you guys showing your faces, so we know you're here, thank you.

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Alix: Thanks tj could everyone, please turn their cameras on.

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Alix: Walter did you want to talk.

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Walter Reyes: canceling our project for 356 avenue is is that still the case where we're going to be able to do our presentation today.

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Alix: we're moving it to the August 26 meeting.

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Walter Reyes: Is there a way we saw you guys can still hear today because I mean we submitted everything we thought on time.

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Alix: Before Walter, I know, but I asked for everything in PDF which I never got and you were supposed to be sent by one of your associates, and it wasn't so no we're going to hear it on the 26.

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Walter Reyes: He descended and it was thought it was it was not sending PDF because, if I was to large.

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Alix: Next week, but no it's not going to be rehearsed tonight it'll be heard at the August 26 meeting.

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Shepard Stern: You know, and we did provide.

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Shepard Stern: But, but the the the PDF was not available.

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Shepard Stern: The are for the people on our committee to really poor, I understand that this is supposed to be common for things not on the agenda and I understand your confusion and concern, but we should be talking about other things right now.

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Michael Jensen: Well, this is no longer on the agenda, so this is well taken.

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Michael Jensen: No, but it's it's not hard to download from a dropbox like I think we have to be a little more nimble.

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Alix: Alright we're going to move on to the net we've we've we understand the concerns and the frustration we're going to move on to the next public comment and Erica.

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Alix: Know Erica.

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kole strebel: A lot of these project files and stuff like that are going to be larger than what's available to send in a PDF that through standard email, so I would definitely suggest that you guys figure out a way to either use dropbox or change your.

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kole strebel: Because our projects are getting push just because we can't get you guys documentation, I guess, so again totally get all that and why we're being pushed, but I just think that maybe you know figuring out a way, so people can get you guys the files that you need in a timely fashion would.

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Erica Moore: I sorry about that guys I couldn't see the unmute button um thanks so much for your service, I wanted to address a couple of things really quick number one i'm really hoping that the.

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Erica Moore: disappointing to see people that are, I know that this is not a paid position, but if you're going to be on a committee, we have to have a quorum so that decisions can be made.

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Erica Moore: So that was really distressing to see that that meeting had to be shut out prematurely last time, also, I just wanted to say this, too, I did the presentation.

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Erica Moore: or a sequel a appeal and we did lose for 1600 1614 than this, but what was what was disheartening to me was that I saw that i'm Mr muir his did come in and he spoke to the.

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Erica Moore: project as number, which was Item number 13 we were Item number 12 and that item did not having a unanimous vote, however, mine did, and he did not speak up and share that information at the meeting I would really like to see.

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Erica Moore: All projects that have been voted down by the bmt Council that have to do with land use i'd like to see those represented by by our President, I really appreciate that I think I think it makes sense, thanks so much you guys.

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Chris Zonnas: Good men.

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Alix: I see here you good man.

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Shepard Stern: elites, is a ship I dropped off, I wanted to bring something up on public comment but.

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Shepard Stern: Very quickly, I just want to talk about something has got nothing to do with hot houses or or construction has to do with a very new popular sport in North America called pickle ball.

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Shepard Stern: it's a blend of tennis and ping pong and it's played on a bed in court it's light hearted and an excellent way to maintain physical fitness.

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Shepard Stern: And we play it on a tennis court and it accommodates 16 players at the same time on a single tennis court that uses a lot of people very popular.

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Shepard Stern: And mar vista and Marina del rey depend on more receptive and forward looking recreational planners have small neighboring cities like Santa Monica and El Segundo to play this joyful sport.

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Shepard Stern: let's see if our neighborhood Council can make ellie's department of parts of recreation more accountable.

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Shepard Stern: craddick and it's outreach efforts more professional and its use of the recreational planning tools, as well as economic and demographic analysis to develop recreational policies, thank you yeah.

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Chris Zonnas: And a several my friends are now playing my mother just started playing it's just like a crazy well.

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Shepard Stern: it's not it's it's it's not a crazy it's an actual thing and most people who play it are our our tennis players who are over 55 which is 60% of the people who play it now what what's going on is that.

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Shepard Stern: there's just not enough courts in 2021 Mr park is seeking a lion's share of available quimby funds about a half a million dollars worth to resurface six tennis courts neglected over many years.

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Shepard Stern: quimby funds are supposed to be for additional recreational facilities not used for maintenance, we could use that money to just paint stripes on tennis courts and declare them to global courts.

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Alix: Perfect it'd be great if everyone would put their cameras on and Harvey why don't you start and go.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Can you hear me yes.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Okay, so i'm hard to be good man i'm the civil engineer for this parcel a small lot subdivision on 22 paloma.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: And the proposal before you is a small lot subdivision bungalow court where we have five units on.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: One property within two buildings and our subdivision is to create two parcels with three units in one building and two units or another building, there will be no new construction, there will be no.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: And it's it's totally just for the subdivision to create two parcels.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: This is all done under the small lot subdivision ordinance and it's completely in compliance with the city requirements, and there are no variances requested.

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Chris Zonnas: i'm Chris honest here the staff member on the project, so, as you know, we voted on this and it passed, but I think.

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Alix: open it up to public comments, and then we can turn it back over to you if you wouldn't mind sorry Harvey is there anything else you have to say.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Well, there was an issue about the mellow that came up, and we think that we are not under the umbrella of the mellow we don't think we, we are brought into that because the city planning department has reviewed our case and has.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: determinations that mellow is not a part of this application and is not required.

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Alix: Thank you Harvey and i'm going to open this up to public comment and Christmas present, and I think there are a couple that have questions.

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Alix: And it would be great if all members of the committee could put their cameras on Thank you.

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- Puppet: So Okay, so I have nine minutes left good Thank you Okay, so if you're good tonight good puppet will play you a special recording of a credible threat that was received today.

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- Puppet: As a bonus for tonight's meeting with Harvey like to hear it or know about shepherd yeah i'd like to hear it okay well we'll vote on that later, but as far as.

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- Puppet: We can delay the project for four or five more years and Mr Byrne and will be out of office by that point, maybe in prison, yes, well, we just want to recall army does on one Mike to go to jail.

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CJ Cole: First of all, we cannot hear you a leaks so you've dropped off.

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CJ Cole: Okay, and the only thing I can say is that this is at least the third or fourth meeting or this has been presented, that i've been sitting in.

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CJ Cole: I still do not know the reason that anybody is asking for this small lot subdivision essentially nothing is changing.

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CJ Cole: And I really want to know the developers reason for why they want to do this, do they want to sell it do they you know there's gotta be a reason they want to do it.

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CJ Cole: And I know i'm not supposed to ask questions, but I will say i've sat through a lot of meetings and still do not know the answer.

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Tim Bonefeld: You gotta unmute yourself.

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Erica Moore: Okay, this is Erica I just want to say that i'd like to know why the mellow act is not applicable, because I was under the impression it was so that's all I have to say I have to say is that, if the mellow act is supposed to be applied, I think it needs to be applied, if not, then okay.

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Alix: Closing public comment, Chris with staff on this so Chris why don't you present your findings and then, if we have any questions we'll open it up.

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Chris Zonnas: Okay, in regards to me alone i'm pretty deep into this and you may know, this already the language is is comes out of semantics here, you know you could say that conversion.

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Chris Zonnas: Is this is anything but it's demolition or conversion application it's demolition or conversion we look at the audience itself the examples, they give.

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Chris Zonnas: All relate to building and change so what's strange about this is there is no second part to this, so no example, can you find an answer for this so Harvey the million dollar question is, why do you want to subdivide this property and before you answer.

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Chris Zonnas: It can be a lot of reasons to the public, they might want to sell one maybe mellow doesn't work out as one.

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Chris Zonnas: Entire building because of tenants have been for a long time are protected, maybe they have to subdivide it so they can do a project on one half and not the other.

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Chris Zonnas: These are guesses there's a lot of different ways to go, but I think if there's an answer you could give us I think loop back would appreciate it Harvey if you could tell us the intention, because.

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Chris Zonnas: Why would you have matt Royce involved and such professional plans made to just subdivide even though you are allowed to do.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Is that the all the comments that we have.

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Alix: Harvey Harvey Harvey hold on a second before you finish, I just want to add something there was a letter sent to us that I posted in materials by Bill present Lee from.

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Alix: from power and i'm going to read it, because it sort of addresses some concerns, and it says, we have serious concerns about 22 East paloma and recommend that you deny the application, we understand the applicants proposal is to obtain a parcel map to subdivide.

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Alix: The existing parcel currently containing five rent stabilized units into two smaller partials the applicant specifically requests relief from the mellow Act and the interim administrative.

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Alix: Excuse me administrative procedures applications page for Section three and claims that because the units ownership status will not change, there is no requirement for mellow review.

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Alix: The applicants proposed findings attachment a submitted by Howard robbins and associates lays this out on page 13 points, three and four.

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Alix: and subsequent communications with Community members, it appears that the department is prepared to adopt these provoked proposed findings.

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Alix: On June 15 Juliet wrote to Robin root of soul.

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Alix: Typical small lot subdivisions result in one new or existing single family dwelling on each new small lot when existing structures or maintain such small lots would change the type of ownership of the units from rental to single family ownership.

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Alix: And a mellow X compliance review would be required in this case 22 paloma avenue, the resulting small lots would maintain an existing multifamily structure on each new small up.

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Alix: As such, the type of ownership of the dwelling units within each structure would not change the dwelling unit of each lot can't be sold separately and would continue to remain as rental units.

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Alix: There is no proposed increase or decrease in the number of dwelling units, nor is a change of use proposed as such, the project is not include a conversion, as defined in the Ay Ay Ay Ay P, and a mellow act compliance review is not required.

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Alix: Granting this small lot subdivision would undermine the spirit of an overall goals of the mellow Act and the small lot subdivision ordinance, both of which were designed to increase density and affordability of housing in their own ways.

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Alix: CDP or discretionary actions, the department is well within its rights to deny this application, because it is not in conformity with the council's and the city state of land use goals and objectives.

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Alix: objectives, the applicants consultant Howard Robertson and associates has repeatedly prepared.

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Alix: affordable housing in feasibility studies to vent to evade the requirements of mellow act and argue for their acceptance on existing developments of three or more units.

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Alix: Simply because the units have been physically separated by yard, instead of building material.

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Alix: In this case, the applicant appears to be seeking yet another workaround.

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Alix: To the requirement that existing affordable units be preserved instructors larger than duplexes by creating a personal map to subdivide the existing five unit rsl structure into smaller subdivisions.

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Alix: A small lot subdivision and parcel map could still be achieved simply would require that a mellow act affordability review be completed on the existing five unit are so.

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Alix: structure and any affordable units should be covenant as replacement affordable units, the department choice to waive a mellow Act review entirely and the applicants specific position for relief from that requirement creates a strong impression.

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Alix: That this is a sophisticated land use maneuver intended to avoid compliance with the mellow act and with the specific knowledge that this and future land use applications will result in the loss of affordable housing within the coastal zone.

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Alix: So.

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Chris Zonnas: Okay, so let me hear like.

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Chris Zonnas: When yeah so correct me if i'm wrong, we grant on the subdivision whatever the plan is.

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Chris Zonnas: When they come back and need a CDP or they need building permits they're going to have to get mellow approved at that time, but those plans correct you're not getting around mellow in the future because of this, this is this one case.

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Chris Zonnas: whenever they come back with years and they see 20 paloma again they're gonna have to have their mellow determination.

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Chris Zonnas: You know.

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Chris Zonnas: When you have plans.

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Chris Zonnas: Right, am I wrong.

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Alix: Harvey do you want to.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: yeah.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: we're still take the position that mela does not apply in this case, we are not doing any construction we're not DEMO demolishing any structures, the tenants are not being displaced or relocated everything remains the same.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Getting back to the white question I don't know I can't I can't tell speak for the.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: Sub dividers themselves, but in my opinion, when you create two parcels and you separate three units in two units, it makes the the the parcels more manageable and maybe in the future they're going to sell them.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: But Chris is right that is there anything else that may come along later, then the review of mellow would apply if an end impact on the tense.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: At this point, we're not asking for anything involving tenants.

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Alix: But Harvey I think we still have questions, then what is the I mean you've hired Matthew Royce as the architect on this project and yet you're not doing anything you're just subdividing the lots like you understand why we're all confused and having questions here.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: well.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: To be honest with the I don't know what the arctic's fines are as far as i'm handling the subdivision and what i'm looking at is following the ordinances and the guidelines of the city.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: And we have been through reviews with the planning department and they don't find mellow an issue.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: What happened to the sound.

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Michael Jensen: can hear you.

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Chris Zonnas: can hear us.

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Alix: All right, well does anyone else on the committee have additional.

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Questions Chris.

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Shepard Stern: Yes.

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Shepard Stern: Can you hear me.

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Alix: yeah yeah yeah.

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Shepard Stern: um so is is there construction involved.

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Chris Zonnas: Not it is you.

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Chris Zonnas: Know that's the thing you see.

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Chris Zonnas: Not in this white, what is it.

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Shepard Stern: So why isn't.

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Shepard Stern: Why is an architect involved if there's no construction.

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Chris Zonnas: that's what it leaks just asked i'm right.

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yeah.

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Tim Bonefeld: Because you need a side thing guys to for Harvey to rob a parcel mapping most likely needed a site plan right hobby and you took that site plan and turned it in that into a parcel map right well.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: I took my site plan based on the survey that we performed on the property that we identified all the existing structures and we.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: figured out where we can put in new lot line to create parcels all we did there's no new construction I don't know I haven't seen the architects plans, frankly, if there is any it might be.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: refreshing and remodeling the the interior of the units.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: But I have.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: I don't have any architectural plans in my file.

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Tim Bonefeld: So so so exactly so maybe mad is doing a bathroom upgrade you know guys, this is, you know it's like hire an attorney or hiring yeah it's.

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Tim Bonefeld: It is.

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Alix: But TIM respectfully like we all know that that what you know the caliber of maths work right like i've seen the projects maps work john we all have i've seen his house he's not doing bathroom refreshes.

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Tim Bonefeld: So, so you never represented a bad a bad actor or anything in your life.

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Alix: I don't understand your question and.

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Tim Bonefeld: i'm just saying w all two different types of projects and sometimes you do a film project, maybe they're doing updates to some units, you know.

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Alix: But TIM respectfully i've never had an a list talent do a fill in sea level project, and I would classify matt release as an a list architect.

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Tim Bonefeld: He will appreciate that, thank you, on his behalf.

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Shepard Stern: And and.

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Michael Jensen: I think we're straying.

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Michael Jensen: away.

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Michael Jensen: From the actual the merits of this case that's in front of us speculating on what.

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Michael Jensen: hypothetically is happening in the future, I mean.

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Michael Jensen: If the person is selling it who cares that's not that that shouldn't bear any.

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Michael Jensen: relationship, whether their their application does or does not meet the requirements that we're supposed to look at.

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Michael Jensen: You know, there is no mellow determination required for this, the city's departments didn't tag it with a mellow.

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Michael Jensen: You know mellow and in the case, and so you know who are we to suddenly impose something I mean we don't even have any power to do that so.

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Michael Jensen: I think we're just sitting here looking for a reason why this shouldn't be passed.

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Michael Jensen: Even though it already has been.

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Chris Zonnas: yeah I mean I agree we can't speculate you know we have to take this at face value, right here, right now, they will be back if matt races doing something they'll be back right.

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Tim Bonefeld: isn't as architects so i'm assuming he knows the process.

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Chris Zonnas: I think so, and.

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Chris Zonnas: So as.

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Alix: Jim has his hand up so hold on a second job yes.

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Tim Bonefeld: Public comment is over right and it goes public.

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Alix: I did close public comments Jim are you speaking as a member of the as a president or are you speaking as the public, because public comment is closed.

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james murez: i'm speaking as the President, I wanted to say hello to Harvey and I also wanted to find out if you actually posted the letter and you will be sure to post the letter that you read into the record into.

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Alix: Any post it's posted.

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james murez: Okay, good and you'll post that again for the board because that's something.

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james murez: That all right, thank you.

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Alix: Thanks Jim.

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Tim Bonefeld: says.

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Chris Zonnas: Can we move away.

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Alix: Right sorry I just need to interrupt again i'm getting constant texts from the from the public, asking for people to put their to put their cameras on they can't see people so i'm asking you, once again, could people, please put their cameras on.

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Michael Jensen: My internet's not going to support that i'm not i'm not on high speed internet here so.

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Michael Jensen: And I keep talking sorry.

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Tim Bonefeld: i'm still here so.

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Tim Bonefeld: as well.

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Alix: Well here's what I would say to tim's comment on this, you know we all talk about our loss and affordable housing on regular basis, we know there are five or so units on this property and.

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Alix: You know, there are losses contesting the city's rubber stamping of mellow and and potential projects that are trying to evade mellow.

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Alix: And I think that there's there's something that smells absolutely amiss here so that's my personal opinion on it.

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Alix: I think, excuse me, I think that you know, Chris has asked the question I asked the question chefs ask the question.

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Alix: People in the in the public have asked the question, and you know I don't think we've gotten a satisfactory answer if you guys all think we've gotten a satisfactory answer great, but I don't think we have.

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Michael Jensen: I don't really think we're entitled to have an answer to a question that is someone's prerogative who cares what the reason that you want to do something legal.

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Michael Jensen: that's I mean that's ridiculous to demand that we have the intent behind every person's you know legal requests I mean it's just that that's a ludicrous standard.

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Tim Bonefeld: I I will I will concur with that.

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Alix: I would disagree when we're talking about five or so units and.

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Alix: castles oh.

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Tim Bonefeld: No, but they are remaining.

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Michael Jensen: These initial.

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Shepard Stern: Order and I wouldn't.

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Tim Bonefeld: Wait wait.

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Alix: Stop stop sorry the kale first then shop.

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Michael Jensen: These five units are remaining rsl units neither parcel is going to magically turn into a single family home that isn't subject rsl.

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Michael Jensen: So there is no that's why mellow doesn't apply we're not removing or converting a residential space to a commercial space that would remove a unit these units are staying exactly as they are perhaps with some.

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Michael Jensen: Changes in the future, but if they're going to remove units they go through the mellow process and also bills letter is sort of referencing the new mellow standard which isn't even the law, yet and.

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Michael Jensen: I you know again that's like an aspirational view of.

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Michael Jensen: A law that doesn't.

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Michael Jensen: Yet exist, what we're dealing with is the interim ordinance right now the entitlement being requested is not triggering it.

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Alix: period, thank you, Macau show.

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Shepard Stern: You Thank you Alex i'm concerned that, if we wave mellow now that it will come back later as oh mellow was waived on this and and i'm afraid that we would put it in place where mellow can't touch it if we agree to this at this point that's.

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Shepard Stern: My concern.

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Shepard Stern: You see, yes it doesn't apply, but if we wave mellow for this property and subdivide it when it comes back with with his plans they're going to save mellow was waived and just.

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Michael Jensen: run out waving you know it's.

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Michael Jensen: you're not waving something that is not.

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Shepard Stern: A requirement, well, we can't we can't wave anything we only make suggestions to people that they should wave something right.

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Shepard Stern: So i'm saying if we get if we get into those weeds I think will be interesting.

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Alix: So.

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Tim Bonefeld: I will not make that suggestion.

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Alix: suggestion TIM, you can speak next i'm going to address michelle's point just speak to the fact of like aspirational to laws.

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Alix: You know i'll just bring up roe V Wade and you look at all the laws that are being pushed through aspiration Lee to try and overturn a Supreme Court decision right.

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Alix: that's what that's what people do so, we have to decide as as a as a committee, and we know there's something missing this if it's just a small lot subdivision.

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Alix: Why is there an architect attached to this project and a list architect attached to this project, and we have to decide, are we going to just sort of.

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Alix: You know, ignore where we're looking to go with mellow ignore that they're affordable units ignore what could potentially happen if this gets divided.

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Alix: Are we just going to rubber stamp it and move on and go oh there's nothing really going on it's nothing happening we're just going to small out subdivision and call it a day.

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Alix: I personally think it's our role as a committee, to protect affordable housing in the coastal zone and something smells wrong in this that's my opinion.

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Alix: TIM, did you have something to say sorry.

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Tim Bonefeld: i'm good.

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Chris Zonnas: All right, can we vote on this.

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Michael Jensen: All the question.

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Alix: Sorry, Chris you were you were stuff so.

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Chris Zonnas: In my opinion, they are going to have to do, plans and present them and go through this process all over again just not I don't think.

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Chris Zonnas: they're going to say was way from mellow on the subdivision applies to a new single family homes being built that people may kick out there, as our apartments you know so as is right now I recommend approval for the subdivision does anyone seconds.

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Michael Jensen: i'll second your emotion, Chris.

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Alix: Come on, saying.

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Alix: And mchale sending it i'm TIM i'm assuming you're yes.

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Yes.

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Alix: And i'm know and sharp.

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know.

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Great.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Alix: Harvey please make sure you're at the board meeting on the.

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Alix: day what date, it is.

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Tim Bonefeld: For Tuesday of.

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Alix: it's the 17th of August.

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Chris Zonnas: Okay hey Does that mean, I have to be there at least two.

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Alix: You do too.

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HARVEY GOODMAN: All right, i'll see you on the 17th and thank you for your time.

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Alix: Thanks, thank you.

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Alix: All right, we're moving on to CREST more which is.

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Alix: Santiago and Matthew Murphy, so let me see where you guys are in the audience.

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Alix: Santiago I see you i'm going to put you to panelist and is there, someone else.

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Alix: Great Santiago, you are now panelists so you are welcome to share screens and do a presentation of the project.

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Shepard Stern: Can you unmute yourself, are you there.

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Chris Zonnas: He doesn't show is muted.

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Shepard Stern: hmm.

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See.

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Chris Zonnas: Elisa.

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Alix: Yes, he doesn't show is muted.

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Chris Zonnas: yeah Santiago, can you hear us.

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Chris Zonnas: Oh yeah okay.

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Chris Zonnas: We can't hear you.

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Alix: Oh yeah go.

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Chris Zonnas: Are you muted on your computer.

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Alix: Is your microphone on.

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Chris Zonnas: Maybe you should resign in.

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Alix: We can't hear you Santiago.

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Alix: Give a microphone on your computer.

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Alix: No you're not muted from my end.

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Alix: But I can mute and unmute you.

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Alix: Try now.

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Alix: Can we hear you.

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Alix: you're unmuted I just unmuted you from my end.

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Shepard Stern: voice.

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Alix: No, can you try unmuted yourself as well too because i've unmuted you.

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Alix: And there's no mute showing on your button on your screen.

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Santiago Ortiz: Your button on your screen.

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Alix: Hello.

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Alix: We can't hear you Santiago.

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Tim Bonefeld: Why don't why don't we asked him to be bought his computer and.

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Alix: just said yeah why don't you try and reboot and rejoin the meeting because.

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Alix: I i'm i'm looking at this and you're not muted.

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Alix: And i'm assuming TIM you're seeing the same thing as I am.

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Tim Bonefeld: yeah let's just take the next case and he will be on he's.

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Alix: gonna let yeah let's give him just a moment to to.

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Alix: To come back in before we before we move on.

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Alix: Okay Santiago I just asked you to unmute subtribes you log back in try and hit your mute button, but you should be able to speak and put your video on.

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Alix: There are days I hate zoom.

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Tim Bonefeld: asked him to call in on his phone.

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Alix: Okay sent Santiago your your microphone is unmuted can we hear you.

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Alix: Can you speak and see.

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Alix: No, we can't hear you.

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Shepard Stern: he's muted.

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Alix: unmuted.

549
01:10:35.820 --> 01:10:37.140
Shepard Stern: know it says muted now.

550
01:10:39.420 --> 01:10:40.260
Alix: i'm looking at it.

551
01:10:40.620 --> 01:10:42.270
Shepard Stern: As microphone is crossed off.

552
01:10:44.790 --> 01:10:45.990
Alix: On mine it's not.

553
01:10:49.770 --> 01:10:51.480
Alix: I see mchale's is crossed off.

554
01:10:56.730 --> 01:10:58.260
Michael Jensen: i'm unmuted can you hear me.

555
01:10:59.100 --> 01:10:59.820
Alix: I can hear you.

556
01:11:00.210 --> 01:11:04.920
Alix: Now you're on Christmas unmuted Kristen can we hear you.

557
01:11:05.010 --> 01:11:06.030
Chris Zonnas: yeah I mean, can you.

558
01:11:06.510 --> 01:11:09.060
Alix: yeah you don't need it, you guys can hear me.

559
01:11:09.120 --> 01:11:11.700
Alix: mechanic shop you're unmuted I can.

560
01:11:12.000 --> 01:11:15.720
Tim Bonefeld: do so, we establish that can we have him call him on his.

561
01:11:16.290 --> 01:11:17.970
Shepard Stern: way he just unmuted here, yes.

562
01:11:18.780 --> 01:11:19.710
Santiago Ortiz: Can you hear me now.

563
01:11:19.890 --> 01:11:20.760
Shepard Stern: Yes, yes.

564
01:11:21.330 --> 01:11:21.990
Alix: Finally.

565
01:11:22.350 --> 01:11:23.970
Chris Zonnas: Your pictures frozen, but we can hear you.

566
01:11:24.480 --> 01:11:26.460
Santiago Ortiz: Okay, please forgive me.

567
01:11:29.520 --> 01:11:37.290
Santiago Ortiz: Thank you very much for having us participate in this presentation, can you guys hear me well.

568
01:11:37.980 --> 01:11:41.640
Alix: We can share screen you're you're able to share.

569
01:11:42.630 --> 01:11:45.510
Santiago Ortiz: That says host disabled attendee screen share.

570
01:11:57.780 --> 01:11:58.740
Alix: hold on a second.

571
01:12:07.320 --> 01:12:08.580
Alix: You should be able to share.

572
01:12:11.670 --> 01:12:15.060
Santiago Ortiz: host disabled an attendee screen sharing it says.

573
01:12:15.510 --> 01:12:23.160
Alix: All right, let me just call Jim and tell him I need the sharing put back on two seconds sorry Santiago.

574
01:12:23.820 --> 01:12:24.360
Santiago Ortiz: No problem.

575
01:12:32.190 --> 01:12:36.930
Alix: Just for everyone to know I don't own the controls to the zoom, which is why I can't do this.

576
01:12:48.090 --> 01:12:58.860
Alix: hi screen share is disabled or I need you to pop off as host for a minute, because one of my panelists can't can't can't i'm.

577
01:12:59.250 --> 01:13:01.020
james murez: Sorry i'm on i'm on the.

578
01:13:01.620 --> 01:13:05.310
Alix: Call sorry, one of my panelists can't screen share.

579
01:13:07.110 --> 01:13:14.400
james murez: Okay, this is a new question for me this is new, for me, sorry everybody Okay, here we go who can screen share panelists.

580
01:13:15.450 --> 01:13:20.760
james murez: said only host before who can start sharing when someone else is sharing.

581
01:13:22.530 --> 01:13:23.130
panelists.

582
01:13:24.930 --> 01:13:26.670
james murez: Okay, that should fix it try now.

583
01:13:31.170 --> 01:13:31.650
james murez: Can you hear me.

584
01:13:32.700 --> 01:13:34.590
james murez: Oh, something just changed.

585
01:13:35.460 --> 01:13:36.780
Alix: Can you hear me now yeah it's.

586
01:13:36.840 --> 01:13:37.230
working.

587
01:13:38.340 --> 01:13:38.730
james murez: Okay.

588
01:13:39.300 --> 01:13:40.620
james murez: Thank you i'll do that from now on.

589
01:13:42.090 --> 01:13:45.150
Santiago Ortiz: Okay, you guys can hear me and you guys can see the PDF.

590
01:13:45.630 --> 01:13:46.560
Alix: Yes, we can.

591
01:13:47.160 --> 01:13:50.160
Santiago Ortiz: Okay wonderful Thank you so much, everybody for having us tonight.

592
01:13:51.300 --> 01:13:56.190
Santiago Ortiz: My name is i'm terrible at this i've been designing single family residence since.

593
01:13:57.840 --> 01:14:14.040
Santiago Ortiz: The year 2000 I have actually lived on cross workplace where this project does that for eight years, I moved away about 11 years ago, but quite sensitive to the street, it would be the fourth project I.

594
01:14:15.060 --> 01:14:18.270
Santiago Ortiz: Do on the street, so I have somewhat of a.

595
01:14:19.980 --> 01:14:34.140
Santiago Ortiz: affinity to this sub location, this is where my wife and I moved to my kids grew up on this street so there's a lot of history and sentiment towards the street, especially because I still have very close friends.

596
01:14:35.550 --> 01:14:48.930
Santiago Ortiz: The project is, let me introduce to you a little bit about the owners Kelly shuffle and matt Murphy purchase the property, I believe, in April of 2015.

597
01:14:49.920 --> 01:15:03.930
Santiago Ortiz: it's a duplex they've lived here since then have not rented either of the front of their rear unit it's been owner occupied sense, and they are plans to occupy.

598
01:15:05.550 --> 01:15:11.310
Santiago Ortiz: The property without renting the front, or the year of the rear unit.

599
01:15:13.260 --> 01:15:27.540
Santiago Ortiz: But they did feel like it was important to not eliminate two units from Venice, hence they would like to keep both units to the property rather than turning this into a.

600
01:15:28.590 --> 01:15:34.650
Santiago Ortiz: single family residence, not a duplex as it is the project basically they're interested in.

601
01:15:35.700 --> 01:15:48.270
Santiago Ortiz: Expanding the size of the front unit and the rear unit, it was important to us as a team to design, something which was quite sensitive to the.

602
01:15:49.890 --> 01:15:50.880
Santiago Ortiz: To the neighborhood.

603
01:15:52.110 --> 01:15:53.880
Santiago Ortiz: We basically.

604
01:15:54.960 --> 01:15:57.060
Santiago Ortiz: decided to i'll show you in.

605
01:15:59.100 --> 01:15:59.490
Santiago Ortiz: In.

606
01:16:01.380 --> 01:16:13.290
Santiago Ortiz: plan what they would like to do they would like to there's some existing to covered parking one uncovered parking they would like to put all parking in the back.

607
01:16:14.940 --> 01:16:16.290
Santiago Ortiz: and basically.

608
01:16:17.370 --> 01:16:30.300
Santiago Ortiz: Have a second floor added to the rear and a second floor added to the front, so the second floors would keep side yards five and five plus.

609
01:16:31.650 --> 01:16:52.050
Santiago Ortiz: On the sides, one of the things I noticed on the agenda for today is there was a known CA we clarified this what's checked the last time, the CA is for zoning administration adjustment for reducing the setback.

610
01:16:53.160 --> 01:17:03.630
Santiago Ortiz: Of the rear yard from 15 to eight foot 11 for lining up the second story of the rear unit with the existing.

611
01:17:06.240 --> 01:17:21.510
Santiago Ortiz: Let me show you the sections or the elevations or sections to line up this wall with existing bottom of the existing unit so that's just clarify to you guys on the agenda, what the CIA.

612
01:17:23.250 --> 01:17:24.780
Santiago Ortiz: is about.

613
01:17:26.430 --> 01:17:42.630
Santiago Ortiz: We, it was important for us to follow the vendor specific plan design guidelines provide the project with quite articulate in second floor in this case, provide balconies and.

614
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:44.640
Santiago Ortiz: Business basically.

615
01:17:46.170 --> 01:17:47.520
Santiago Ortiz: divide the project.

616
01:17:48.630 --> 01:17:58.140
Santiago Ortiz: or or basically articulate the project, so it does not feel like this giant box, as we have seen on CREST or.

617
01:17:59.550 --> 01:18:01.140
Santiago Ortiz: done several years ago.

618
01:18:03.150 --> 01:18:04.080
Santiago Ortiz: I don't know what.

619
01:18:06.330 --> 01:18:19.560
Santiago Ortiz: Questions you guys might have, as this is the first instance that i'm invited to participate in the committee for a presentation of our project did you guys have any questions.

620
01:18:20.160 --> 01:18:34.440
Alix: Thank you so much yeah I go i'm going to open this up to public comment first and then I will open it up to the committee members so we're opening this up to public comment anyone that has questions I see three hands, I see forehands.

621
01:18:36.270 --> 01:18:47.520
Alix: You see four hands, I see 3412344 great we're going to start opening this up to public comment i'm just going to get my timer on for you guys.

622
01:18:50.490 --> 01:18:52.350
Alix: First, one is cj.

623
01:18:57.330 --> 01:19:02.400
CJ Cole: Again, I have a question as to why.

624
01:19:03.540 --> 01:19:15.960
CJ Cole: They want to add square footage and still not use it as a duplex to me it just looks like they're trying to make a larger single family home.

625
01:19:16.980 --> 01:19:20.040
CJ Cole: Because they're used is going to be for themselves.

626
01:19:21.780 --> 01:19:24.150
Santiago Ortiz: They have used it for themselves.

627
01:19:24.150 --> 01:19:24.660
Since.

628
01:19:26.970 --> 01:19:33.150
Alix: just making note of the questions and after public comment and and committee color you can answer them cj is that all.

629
01:19:33.480 --> 01:19:33.930
CJ Cole: that's it.

630
01:19:34.890 --> 01:19:35.790
Thank you cj.

631
01:19:41.970 --> 01:19:42.990
Alix: And puppet.

632
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:49.200
Alix: A bit.

633
01:19:52.080 --> 01:20:05.760
- Puppet: wow so we get to ask the developer questions well that's what the lady said all right so there's three things that developers generally need according to United States vs Jose weezer.

634
01:20:06.570 --> 01:20:13.050
- Puppet: You have to don't make to the office older account pay off the building inspectors and pay off the Council.

635
01:20:14.070 --> 01:20:19.440
- Puppet: And then you can build, whatever the hell, you want, as long as your Council member is good, with it.

636
01:20:20.730 --> 01:20:33.420
- Puppet: Now Mike bonnen if you put my next door trash can you really can't tell the difference so sign those Rico petitions and let's get a new, better Council members.

637
01:20:34.140 --> 01:20:55.770
- Puppet: Those that don't puppet recommends le be appointed as the interim councilmember proceeding 11 once Mike burnin is recall and then Santiago will not only not good as project, they will turn it into a Community garden beautiful Community garden for this project Oh, I saw.

638
01:20:57.000 --> 01:20:57.930
- Puppet: Yes, of course.

639
01:21:04.290 --> 01:21:04.860
Alix: Robin.

640
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:10.080
Alix: Robin.

641
01:21:11.340 --> 01:21:22.140
RobinRudisill: hi Robin I am first and foremost, I wanted to say thank you to the owners for maintaining the density of the the current.

642
01:21:23.100 --> 01:21:37.200
RobinRudisill: structure by keeping the duplex duplex I just think that's a great decision, because it also allows for future effect flexibility changes in the family people you know growing up going to college coming back all that, so I just think that's super smart.

643
01:21:38.490 --> 01:21:48.870
RobinRudisill: Also, it looks like a really nice design, I really liked the look I like the articulation I think it's awesome that you sent a guy used to live on the street, and you know it, and I can tell.

644
01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:55.980
RobinRudisill: Just by looking at the design, you have a feel for the character it's not one of those giant boxes, thank you, thank you.

645
01:21:57.120 --> 01:22:00.390
RobinRudisill: So, really, really nice job San Diego and thank you to the owners.

646
01:22:03.150 --> 01:22:03.870
Alix: Thank you, Robin.

647
01:22:07.740 --> 01:22:12.780
Alix: And our last comment is Erica more, and then we are closing public comment.

648
01:22:14.910 --> 01:22:20.730
Erica Moore: hey I actually echo what Robin say I too was really happy to see this design.

649
01:22:21.300 --> 01:22:28.140
Erica Moore: um I actually was driving through i'm an East Venice and I was driving through a little while a couple hours ago and there's a project.

650
01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:36.360
Erica Moore: That also has the same kind of pitched through here on a corner and I was so happy to see that, because there are so many people making these gigantic boxes.

651
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:45.120
Erica Moore: And so I to do appreciate that and i'm really glad that they're keeping the other units i'd be nice if they were able to use those other units for some people.

652
01:22:45.540 --> 01:22:55.740
Erica Moore: Obviously, there are a lot of people around it need housing, it would be great if they could open it up to some people, you know whether it's friends or somebody that could make use of those now but.

653
01:22:56.190 --> 01:23:09.330
Erica Moore: Obviously, if you know if there's personally, they can do with it, what they want, but I to do think it's possible and i'm really happy to see that and I applaud you Santiago for keeping the character of the neighborhood Thank you so much.

654
01:23:10.800 --> 01:23:11.250
Santiago Ortiz: you're welcome.

655
01:23:11.310 --> 01:23:20.610
Alix: Thank you, thank you Erica and with that we are going to close public comment and shut.

656
01:23:21.900 --> 01:23:27.960
Alix: Your staff on this, so why don't we go and feet and then we will discuss as many.

657
01:23:38.280 --> 01:23:39.570
Santiago Ortiz: Yes, hi this is good.

658
01:23:41.250 --> 01:23:48.390
Shepard Stern: Yes, I went to the side and there's this time it's like it's in me seems to be stopped, but there is something going on with the.

659
01:23:49.710 --> 01:23:50.130
Shepard Stern: house.

660
01:23:53.700 --> 01:23:54.000
well.

661
01:23:57.150 --> 01:24:01.290
Shepard Stern: I also applaud the duplex it's it's a it's very.

662
01:24:02.130 --> 01:24:06.690
Shepard Stern: good to know that this this can accommodate two families if it has to.

663
01:24:10.530 --> 01:24:19.350
Shepard Stern: that the current owner residents have been using it for themselves for quite some time, which is why it's doesn't require mellow.

664
01:24:22.860 --> 01:24:23.220
Santiago Ortiz: I think.

665
01:24:27.990 --> 01:24:31.650
Shepard Stern: And the setbacks that they're asking for, I thought.

666
01:24:31.710 --> 01:24:35.100
Shepard Stern: Santiago you third parking space and.

667
01:24:36.060 --> 01:24:36.960
Shepard Stern: One thing I will.

668
01:24:38.550 --> 01:24:39.000
Shepard Stern: see as a.

669
01:24:40.290 --> 01:24:42.840
Shepard Stern: designer like everything is.

670
01:24:43.860 --> 01:24:44.670
Shepard Stern: pushed towards the.

671
01:24:44.940 --> 01:24:45.330
The.

672
01:24:46.770 --> 01:24:49.200
Shepard Stern: structure the content shall.

673
01:24:49.230 --> 01:24:50.400
Shepard Stern: hear me now.

674
01:24:53.550 --> 01:24:54.240
Shepard Stern: Yes, now.

675
01:24:55.530 --> 01:25:01.080
Shepard Stern: Okay, I would like to see just Personally, I would like to see the roofline.

676
01:25:01.680 --> 01:25:10.860
Shepard Stern: similarity continued to the roof access structure or the you know we're doing away with the roof access structure, all together, because I hate roof access structures personally.

677
01:25:11.520 --> 01:25:28.350
Shepard Stern: And nobody really needs and you don't need to get dry if you're going out to the roof I don't understand it um but other than that I think it's it's a it's a good project it's it's it's not overwhelming So there you go.

678
01:25:30.510 --> 01:25:34.080
Alix: Thank you, anyone else on the committee has questions.

679
01:25:34.560 --> 01:25:36.510
Michael Jensen: yeah I have, I have a question.

680
01:25:36.630 --> 01:25:46.830
Michael Jensen: Or, I have a couple questions so my first one is is the addition being added to one of the units or combined both.

681
01:25:49.200 --> 01:25:50.460
Michael Jensen: So there's an addition to both.

682
01:25:51.240 --> 01:26:01.860
Michael Jensen: Correct Okay, and the resulting and maybe i'm just not reading it correctly, but what are the resulting units, going to be.

683
01:26:04.050 --> 01:26:05.880
Santiago Ortiz: So, can you hear me.

684
01:26:06.630 --> 01:26:06.900
yeah.

685
01:26:08.190 --> 01:26:12.870
Santiago Ortiz: um Can you also see the PDF of the elevations northern south.

686
01:26:14.970 --> 01:26:15.480
Michael Jensen: Yes.

687
01:26:16.320 --> 01:26:21.630
Santiago Ortiz: Okay, so basically this area, right here will be the addition to this front unit.

688
01:26:22.830 --> 01:26:25.800
Santiago Ortiz: And this area, right here is the addition to this unit.

689
01:26:28.170 --> 01:26:36.930
Michael Jensen: gotcha and so, if you lost that seven feet on the on the back, you would lose I mean.

690
01:26:37.620 --> 01:26:38.220
Santiago Ortiz: pretty much.

691
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:55.830
Santiago Ortiz: For the second for so that's why we're requesting a zoning adjustment administration administration adjustment to lineup that rear second floor where your unit with existing unit on the first floor.

692
01:26:57.450 --> 01:26:57.840
Michael Jensen: got it.

693
01:26:58.410 --> 01:26:58.770
Okay.

694
01:27:00.570 --> 01:27:06.000
Michael Jensen: yeah and the staff report should just be corrected because it's referencing a variance and that would be a whole different set of standards.

695
01:27:10.530 --> 01:27:12.060
Michael Jensen: Okay, those are my questions.

696
01:27:23.190 --> 01:27:24.990
Alix: anyone else, and the committee.

697
01:27:25.530 --> 01:27:31.470
Chris Zonnas: I just why does it say reason for lack of mellow for duplex unknown on the agenda.

698
01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:35.880
Santiago Ortiz: Are you asking me i'm sorry.

699
01:27:36.060 --> 01:27:42.060
Chris Zonnas: are asking a leaks, is that are we still we still have no reason for lack of mellow.

700
01:27:43.410 --> 01:27:47.580
Santiago Ortiz: We have a reason for no mellow because they have not been.

701
01:27:49.140 --> 01:28:03.810
Santiago Ortiz: Since the owners took ownership of the property, they have not been rental units nor they planned to become rental units, so when we present to city planning they deemed that it was done applicable for the property.

702
01:28:05.250 --> 01:28:05.700
Alix: Okay.

703
01:28:06.540 --> 01:28:08.790
Michael Jensen: you're also not removing or converting a unit.

704
01:28:08.880 --> 01:28:10.440
Alix: Correct correct.

705
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:19.470
Alix: Correct and if there are no more questions from the Committee, do we want to call the question and shop make a motion.

706
01:28:31.470 --> 01:28:35.040
Shepard Stern: yeah i'm ready I just was waiting to hear if there was any any more comments.

707
01:28:36.540 --> 01:28:37.650
Shepard Stern: I lost.

708
01:28:39.480 --> 01:28:53.880
Shepard Stern: The whole meeting for the whole rest of the last three minutes, so I don't know what was discussed is there is there, I understand that the roof access structure is technically part of the back house.

709
01:28:54.120 --> 01:28:56.190
Santiago Ortiz: The House it is part of the front unit.

710
01:28:56.370 --> 01:28:56.700
Santiago Ortiz: To.

711
01:28:57.120 --> 01:29:00.120
Shepard Stern: it's not it's not really part of the front unit, or is it.

712
01:29:00.180 --> 01:29:03.630
Santiago Ortiz: Is the roof fact is it's only for the front unit.

713
01:29:04.170 --> 01:29:16.500
Shepard Stern: So then, could you do something with that roof access structure, so it doesn't look like it's such a part of something else that it looks like it's more like the front, the two front roofs make it bring it down a little bit and make it.

714
01:29:17.670 --> 01:29:18.630
Shepard Stern: arched like that.

715
01:29:19.440 --> 01:29:27.510
Santiago Ortiz: We I will definitely discuss with the owners, the the emotions expressed today.

716
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:39.180
Santiago Ortiz: I could very well, discuss and let you know if that is something that they're willing to to do i'm.

717
01:29:40.650 --> 01:29:47.790
Santiago Ortiz: Definitely open to that for sure, so I will have a definitely conversation with the owners about this matter okay.

718
01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:53.010
Shepard Stern: Well, I would I would motion that we approve this presented then.

719
01:29:54.420 --> 01:29:54.660
Alix: Great.

720
01:29:55.080 --> 01:29:55.770
Michael Jensen: In your motion.

721
01:29:56.040 --> 01:29:57.090
Michael Jensen: Oh OK.

722
01:29:58.110 --> 01:29:59.460
Alix: OK, I will put you in a second.

723
01:29:59.490 --> 01:30:00.690
Alix: Well, thank you, second mchale.

724
01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.740
Alix: Great i'm TIM.

725
01:30:09.150 --> 01:30:09.960
Tim Bonefeld: Yes.

726
01:30:11.280 --> 01:30:11.850
Alix: Chris.

727
01:30:12.060 --> 01:30:16.650
Alix: Yes, i'm a late a yes, and I assume shopping mckellar both yeses.

728
01:30:16.740 --> 01:30:17.250
Yes.

729
01:30:18.390 --> 01:30:25.050
Alix: Great Thank you Santiago, please be at our our board meeting and.

730
01:30:26.490 --> 01:30:27.000
Alix: that's it.

731
01:30:29.700 --> 01:30:31.680
Santiago Ortiz: up, can you hear me yeah.

732
01:30:31.770 --> 01:30:32.100
yeah.

733
01:30:33.270 --> 01:30:42.450
Santiago Ortiz: i'm i'm not sure if I should remain the rest of the meeting I had a surgery last Friday, and I really need to leave the meeting right now.

734
01:30:42.720 --> 01:30:43.140
Alix: No, no.

735
01:30:47.190 --> 01:30:47.820
Shepard Stern: No better.

736
01:30:48.450 --> 01:30:51.420
Shepard Stern: feeling so much thank you Santiago.

737
01:30:52.170 --> 01:30:52.830
Alix: Thank you.

738
01:30:54.060 --> 01:30:56.850
Alix: And now we have.

739
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:05.100
Alix: 417 for 19 grand and I see two rafael's so i'm going to put.

740
01:31:06.450 --> 01:31:09.840
Alix: Rafale did both of you go to panelists do you want to raise your hand.

741
01:31:32.040 --> 01:31:33.930
Alix: fail, are you here with us.

742
01:31:39.450 --> 01:31:39.930
Alix: fail.

743
01:31:48.030 --> 01:31:48.570
Alix: fail.

744
01:31:50.880 --> 01:31:51.900
Rafael Martinez: hello, can you hear me.

745
01:31:53.100 --> 01:31:53.640
Rafael Martinez: Yes.

746
01:31:54.150 --> 01:31:56.370
Alix: Can you hear me great are you.

747
01:31:57.420 --> 01:32:03.750
Rafael Martinez: Good thanks, so I don't want to waste anyone's time on this, the one we're.

748
01:32:05.310 --> 01:32:14.700
Rafael Martinez: Requesting to be on the meeting for today, the past week or so we got back our coastal appeal letter or a coastal non appeal letter so.

749
01:32:15.870 --> 01:32:24.030
Rafael Martinez: We have the approval letter and the appeal periods done less so i'm not sure if you want to proceed with this if it's worth your time, which is not I don't have to go through.

750
01:32:25.830 --> 01:32:26.430
Rafael Martinez: It up to you guys.

751
01:32:31.080 --> 01:32:31.680
Rafael Martinez: committed.

752
01:32:32.220 --> 01:32:32.430
I.

753
01:32:33.480 --> 01:32:35.130
Shepard Stern: Would I was getting a lot of.

754
01:32:36.660 --> 01:32:39.420
Shepard Stern: interference with that what I didn't hear what Rafale said.

755
01:32:40.230 --> 01:32:46.500
Alix: They got there they got their CDP the appeal period is exhausted, we could hear it as a formality, or we could move on.

756
01:32:50.250 --> 01:32:56.190
Shepard Stern: Well i'd say we should hear public comment, if there is any before we move on, is a formality.

757
01:32:56.280 --> 01:32:56.790
yeah.

758
01:32:58.590 --> 01:33:01.110
Alix: I think we need to hear public comment because.

759
01:33:02.940 --> 01:33:09.420
Alix: Why, because we need to Republic comment so i'm going to open this i'm going to open this up for public comment.

760
01:33:12.600 --> 01:33:18.480
Shepard Stern: Does does this refill we're looking at it, this referral want to talk to us about a little bit.

761
01:33:18.480 --> 01:33:18.840
Shepard Stern: Before.

762
01:33:18.870 --> 01:33:27.690
Rafael Martinez: yeah sure so right now the property there's a one story single family dwelling off the street off grand in the back off the alley there's an existing at you.

763
01:33:28.290 --> 01:33:40.980
Rafael Martinez: So, and the rendering you can see that, basically, the base the stucco base is the existing signify dwelling and at you, the Gray area on top of the slope roof is and the patio in between is going to be the new edition.

764
01:33:42.270 --> 01:33:48.870
Rafael Martinez: So we're adding on a second story to the front one story single family dwelling and a second story to the rear at year.

765
01:33:51.210 --> 01:33:57.840
Rafael Martinez: And there's no no hype, no, no variances for height square footage setbacks so on and so forth.

766
01:33:59.040 --> 01:34:04.230
Rafael Martinez: I just got it yeah i'm just making a brief i'll let the drawing speak for itself, or do you have any questions.

767
01:34:09.090 --> 01:34:12.810
Shepard Stern: want to go to public comment leaks, before I talk about it.

768
01:34:15.240 --> 01:34:16.110
shuts down here.

769
01:34:26.070 --> 01:34:33.240
- Puppet: So I must have gotten this one down so let's go over it, they pay off the building inspectors chuck.

770
01:34:34.410 --> 01:34:47.580
- Puppet: And they donate to Mr burns officeholder cup chuck and they get the Mr bond well, of course, yes, so you completed your three steps why can't these other developers do the same thing.

771
01:34:49.140 --> 01:34:50.820
- Puppet: Look at this piece of shit.

772
01:34:51.450 --> 01:34:53.610
- Puppet: It was like somebody Lego set.

773
01:34:53.700 --> 01:35:00.630
- Puppet: My God, I mean i've seen kids with mental disabilities build better ship with a set of legos.

774
01:35:01.680 --> 01:35:10.740
- Puppet: So let us say, a prayer for Venice oh go ahead, dear heavenly Father or somebody get rid of my barn and off the Council.

775
01:35:11.310 --> 01:35:30.270
- Puppet: recall him so we may say what's left of our wonderful Venice canals and Venice boulevard and our little beautiful houses may these developers face Jesus Christ and repent for their sins for things like this project amen amen Thank you.

776
01:35:30.510 --> 01:35:31.380
Alix: Thank you, Mr.

777
01:35:31.440 --> 01:35:33.540
- Puppet: Thank you, thank you God bless.

778
01:35:39.000 --> 01:35:40.410
Alix: and

779
01:35:42.090 --> 01:35:43.560
Alix: We have Robin.

780
01:35:43.770 --> 01:35:45.150
We have a couple more comments.

781
01:35:47.580 --> 01:35:48.060
Alix: Robin.

782
01:35:49.350 --> 01:35:49.800
RobinRudisill: I.

783
01:35:50.910 --> 01:36:10.230
RobinRudisill: All I want to say is that and I don't know if this is because the city staff assigned was a student, but I think we need to talk to someone at the city about leaving these cases open for advisement of the Venice neighborhood Council, and so they don't slip through our fingers.

784
01:36:11.250 --> 01:36:13.260
RobinRudisill: i'm not sure why they didn't or.

785
01:36:14.520 --> 01:36:27.090
RobinRudisill: Anyway, I think it's worthy to have a talk with someone at the city, maybe Julia or somebody about being better organized around getting input from the Venice neighborhood Council thanks.

786
01:36:27.960 --> 01:36:28.620
Alix: Thanks Robin.

787
01:36:32.520 --> 01:36:33.930
Alix: And Erica more.

788
01:36:41.820 --> 01:36:44.070
Alix: Erica can you want to speak.

789
01:36:47.370 --> 01:36:57.330
Erica Moore: hi sorry I couldn't see the unmute button um, I just wanted to say that i'm i'm always happy when there's a project that is it asking for a bunch of.

790
01:36:58.350 --> 01:37:09.030
Erica Moore: You know variances or a bunch of bonuses and adjustment, so if it is within the height limit i'm not really thrilled without months, but you know I mean there's different tastes.

791
01:37:09.540 --> 01:37:20.190
Erica Moore: I do, like the fact that there's an ad you because that already exists, and if they want to make it a little bigger I think that's reasonable because maybe you know, maybe a couple could fit in there, better than you know.

792
01:37:22.140 --> 01:37:31.020
Erica Moore: anyways I like it when things are within the the you know what what exists already opposed to going for all the special bonuses so.

793
01:37:32.220 --> 01:37:34.380
Erica Moore: that's all I have to say about that Thank you.

794
01:37:35.220 --> 01:37:35.850
Alix: Thank you.

795
01:37:38.430 --> 01:37:40.110
Alix: And our last public comment and then we're.

796
01:37:40.110 --> 01:37:41.910
Alix: Closing it is either green.

797
01:37:43.830 --> 01:37:57.810
EVA GREENE: hi um I agree with with Erica just going to say the same thing that I appreciate this there are not any variances or exceptions, I think that, once we have those and maybe you guys should consider maybe put it into you know.

798
01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:10.740
EVA GREENE: Some language that says that this is Dennis has these rules, and we want to stick by them, and you know when variances are being asked for just say no.

799
01:38:11.220 --> 01:38:22.470
EVA GREENE: Because it ends up then changing the whole face of the Community and those rules are there for a reason change the rules first and quit doing the piece of piecemeal variants after variants that the variance because then everybody wants one.

800
01:38:23.070 --> 01:38:33.840
EVA GREENE: But I agree with Erica I hope they have good rain gutters because the slant on this looks really kind of kind of radical and what's like the rain might be pouring into that patio so.

801
01:38:33.930 --> 01:38:35.040
EVA GREENE: that's my comment, thank you.

802
01:38:35.820 --> 01:38:36.540
Alix: Thank you.

803
01:38:37.740 --> 01:38:38.760
- Puppet: What an excellent point.

804
01:38:41.670 --> 01:38:43.680
EVA GREENE: Go puppet just said that's an excellent point.

805
01:38:45.540 --> 01:38:46.860
EVA GREENE: Excellent point about the rain better.

806
01:38:50.550 --> 01:38:52.380
Alix: Alright guys i'm.

807
01:38:55.830 --> 01:38:57.600
Alix: Jeff do you want to speak and.

808
01:38:57.900 --> 01:38:58.260
yeah.

809
01:38:59.940 --> 01:39:00.480
Shepard Stern: I do.

810
01:39:00.510 --> 01:39:04.170
Shepard Stern: I do um so after many, many.

811
01:39:06.180 --> 01:39:15.690
Shepard Stern: Months weeks of deliberating when we were going to actually hear this tonight the project appears with the message that.

812
01:39:16.200 --> 01:39:25.050
Shepard Stern: This is a formality, they don't need to hear from us, and I just want to say that I personally find that somewhat offensive and.

813
01:39:25.920 --> 01:39:34.770
Shepard Stern: Because I put a lot of time into this and I will say that there are similar structures all over the streets and certainly surrounding this property.

814
01:39:35.280 --> 01:39:48.720
Shepard Stern: But when you walk down the street and you see the House as it's standing, it is, it is a bit of a throwback to the way things used to be before all these butterfly roofed homes started to appear in Venice.

815
01:39:49.980 --> 01:39:53.400
Shepard Stern: This looks to me more like a new construction than a remodel.

816
01:39:55.110 --> 01:39:57.090
Shepard Stern: I have some concerns about that.

817
01:39:58.530 --> 01:40:01.380
Shepard Stern: But again, you know.

818
01:40:02.670 --> 01:40:13.860
Shepard Stern: The It can be argued that the character of the block has changed and that this House fits in now, so I would have to agree with.

819
01:40:14.940 --> 01:40:20.670
Shepard Stern: The goat puppet say a prayer for Venice here we go, this is what happens.

820
01:40:23.040 --> 01:40:25.110
Shepard Stern: Thank you, I would Can I make emotion.

821
01:40:25.860 --> 01:40:26.190
yeah.

822
01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.340
Shepard Stern: motion to approve is presented.

823
01:40:43.350 --> 01:40:43.830
Alix: TIM.

824
01:40:50.430 --> 01:40:51.000
Alix: press.

825
01:40:52.260 --> 01:40:53.580
Chris Zonnas: approve yes.

826
01:40:54.630 --> 01:40:55.500
Alix: Mikhail.

827
01:40:56.760 --> 01:40:57.180
Michael Jensen: Yes.

828
01:40:58.650 --> 01:40:59.010
Michael Jensen: Great.

829
01:41:01.440 --> 01:41:02.100
Alix: Thank you.

830
01:41:03.150 --> 01:41:03.780
Rafael Martinez: Thank you.

831
01:41:11.070 --> 01:41:27.150
Alix: The next project is to 12 Sherman canal, this is another one where hearings and appeals have been exhausted, but we're going to have Andrea present and then we will do a where's Andrea and then we will do a.

832
01:41:28.680 --> 01:41:33.840
Alix: Open it to public comment Andrea i'm putting you into the panelists so you can share.

833
01:41:52.320 --> 01:41:53.160
Andrea Michaelson: Can you hear me.

834
01:41:53.940 --> 01:41:54.690
Alix: We can.

835
01:41:56.400 --> 01:41:58.830
Andrea Michaelson: I don't know you want the video.

836
01:42:01.980 --> 01:42:02.250
Alix: and

837
01:42:02.550 --> 01:42:05.490
Alix: You should share, and you have a little bit of feedback and video would be great.

838
01:42:05.940 --> 01:42:10.140
Andrea Michaelson: hi everyone OK, I will open the file.

839
01:42:15.120 --> 01:42:15.750
And we go.

840
01:42:18.660 --> 01:42:37.830
Andrea Michaelson: i'm just using the the approved planning file I think it's probably just enough, and if you don't mind i'm just going to quickly scroll through to the rendering I think it's just a little bit easier and then, if you want to see anything else, please let me know.

841
01:42:41.970 --> 01:42:44.850
Andrea Michaelson: So this House and we have mellow we have.

842
01:42:46.740 --> 01:42:53.040
Andrea Michaelson: done all of the grass sorry soil do soil methane testing.

843
01:42:54.120 --> 01:43:03.810
Andrea Michaelson: The whole gamut we have planning approval appeal periods are complete, and we have and we're now in coastal Commission.

844
01:43:05.130 --> 01:43:09.180
Andrea Michaelson: And their appeal period is up as well i'm going to go back to the plan.

845
01:43:10.350 --> 01:43:11.700
Andrea Michaelson: The House is.

846
01:43:13.260 --> 01:43:20.880
Andrea Michaelson: An existing house from the 70s, I purchased it, this is actually a house for myself, I have another project i'm doing for a client but.

847
01:43:21.990 --> 01:43:40.320
Andrea Michaelson: The setback is pretty great here it's 22 feet roughly if i'm not mistaken we've maintained the setback here we've maintained the side setback, which is wider than the three fee required I think it's close to five i'll I will look more closely and we have.

848
01:43:42.690 --> 01:43:46.320
Andrea Michaelson: covered all of the open plan requirements, so this setback.

849
01:43:47.670 --> 01:43:48.360
Andrea Michaelson: Is.

850
01:43:48.660 --> 01:43:52.140
Tim Bonefeld: Sorry you're trying to screen share cuz I have nothing.

851
01:43:53.010 --> 01:43:55.650
Andrea Michaelson: yeah can anyone see this or not.

852
01:43:55.680 --> 01:43:58.800
Alix: Now we can't see it Andrea if you could scroll here that's great.

853
01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:01.320
Andrea Michaelson: i'm so sorry, forgive me.

854
01:44:04.680 --> 01:44:06.840
Andrea Michaelson: Okay, there we go let's see.

855
01:44:08.850 --> 01:44:09.600
Andrea Michaelson: Forgive me.

856
01:44:11.580 --> 01:44:26.580
Andrea Michaelson: Okay, so just i'll go back sorry i'll go back to the existing this is really a survey, but it does show the existing residence we've maintained the same set back from the canal, which is over 22 feet.

857
01:44:27.840 --> 01:44:41.520
Andrea Michaelson: I mean it's definitely we could have moved the building further forward, but we chose to leave the setback, as it has been since the 70s, when the House was built, we have a wider than natural setback on the alley side.

858
01:44:42.660 --> 01:44:51.570
Andrea Michaelson: I think it's five feet some odd we've really just enclose this carport area in terms of the building envelope and we've added.

859
01:44:52.350 --> 01:44:58.320
Andrea Michaelson: This actually isn't really accurate there's a there's a covered area and there's a corner missing but we've added that.

860
01:44:58.680 --> 01:45:11.070
Andrea Michaelson: Back in so it's a rectangle now we've excuse me one more thing i'll go back and we've this entry way we've sort of made the building rectangular basically but kept the same perimeters envelope.

861
01:45:12.000 --> 01:45:18.690
Andrea Michaelson: This is the current floor plan, as I stated i'll go to the sorry this is really the site, but i'll go to the.

862
01:45:20.130 --> 01:45:28.920
Andrea Michaelson: This is this 15 foot setback line, and you can see that were much further back, but it's more visible on the floor plan, because there are dimensions.

863
01:45:31.050 --> 01:45:38.340
Andrea Michaelson: yeah, so this is five feet almost five feet six inches away from the property line and.

864
01:45:40.020 --> 01:45:44.940
Andrea Michaelson: The rest I don't really know what you need to know about the floor plan, but i'm happy to answer any questions.

865
01:45:45.990 --> 01:45:56.340
Andrea Michaelson: it's going to be a three level house, instead of a two level home and we've set we've stepped back the second story master for a deck.

866
01:45:57.540 --> 01:45:59.250
Andrea Michaelson: And then, on the third floor.

867
01:46:00.480 --> 01:46:04.050
Andrea Michaelson: we've this aligns with the second story.

868
01:46:04.950 --> 01:46:07.200
Andrea Michaelson: And there are a few us you.

869
01:46:07.230 --> 01:46:20.640
Andrea Michaelson: bless you bless you, and there are a few other that most of this side of the House now is decks so the third floor is considerably smaller, there is a roof access stair with the roof.

870
01:46:22.080 --> 01:46:22.620
Andrea Michaelson: deck.

871
01:46:24.150 --> 01:46:36.120
Andrea Michaelson: And no but no structure on it just all level and a green roof all designed around the perimeter of the roof, so there will be grasses and things growing on the roof line.

872
01:46:37.200 --> 01:46:47.970
Andrea Michaelson: In terms of the open space plan, this is the level one above open space boundary at 429 point 19 square feet.

873
01:46:48.600 --> 01:46:56.760
Andrea Michaelson: Because you can add anything that isn't actually we deducted there's a little area that's covered, but my plan or at planning told me someone else's plan was.

874
01:46:57.240 --> 01:47:12.540
Andrea Michaelson: rejected and building department, because they didn't consider a covered open space open space, so we when when it was in planning We brought the building back, I think it was like an additional 13 inches to satisfy the open space requirement.

875
01:47:13.260 --> 01:47:31.200
Andrea Michaelson: On the second level there's an 892 point 95 square foot open space requirement I don't know if you really want the numbers, but here that here's a hatched area for the third floor open space and then the roof deck which doesn't really count in the calculation.

876
01:47:32.670 --> 01:47:33.960
Andrea Michaelson: elevations.

877
01:47:35.160 --> 01:47:37.920
Andrea Michaelson: anyone has any questions, please feel free.

878
01:47:39.510 --> 01:47:41.730
Andrea Michaelson: North and South elevations.

879
01:47:43.440 --> 01:47:52.020
Andrea Michaelson: A couple of sections and an exhibit the windows are not white like that it just in the photoshop it came out there there's sort of a dark Gray metal.

880
01:47:52.770 --> 01:47:59.160
Andrea Michaelson: A lot of the glass, even though there is a significant amount of glass is a texture so that it's not.

881
01:47:59.970 --> 01:48:10.950
Andrea Michaelson: it's translucent and not transparent, is primarily in both of the stairwells and some of the windows with exposure, this is the side facing.

882
01:48:11.670 --> 01:48:27.510
Andrea Michaelson: Actually, the extra lot that we have next door so it's open to a garden as well, but it can't be on the plans, because it's a separate blog and separate so that's really going to be just a garden but that's why the orientation is to the side as well as to the canal.

883
01:48:29.610 --> 01:48:31.650
Andrea Michaelson: And there are some skylights.

884
01:48:32.730 --> 01:48:43.590
Andrea Michaelson: With the solid roof, we were going to try to put solar tile panel tiles on the roof of the skylights but we couldn't really do the solar roof tiles because.

885
01:48:44.070 --> 01:48:54.990
Andrea Michaelson: The sidelights of the skylights are glass so right now they're going to be opaque and if there are any questions i'm happy to answer if there's anything I didn't cover.

886
01:48:58.440 --> 01:49:09.120
Alix: Thank you, Andrea i'm going to open this up to public comment and after public comment shop I think chef Chris can speak to it he's here stuff on.

887
01:49:10.980 --> 01:49:17.490
Alix: Public comment I see three I see 41234 anyone else.

888
01:49:22.920 --> 01:49:28.020
Alix: Okay we're going to start with public comment we're going to start with Mr goat puppet.

889
01:49:30.570 --> 01:49:31.050
Alix: puppet.

890
01:49:33.570 --> 01:49:38.160
- Puppet: So we have a little miniature box hotel.

891
01:49:39.390 --> 01:49:48.150
- Puppet: Now, this would be good in Singapore people's Republic of China or my favorite country which one Russia.

892
01:49:49.740 --> 01:50:03.090
- Puppet: This is a Venice you can't possibly want this look at this, you have vegetation on the top if I was on the venture if I was on the roof there I would eat all I budgeted.

893
01:50:04.410 --> 01:50:17.460
- Puppet: i'ma go that's what I do I eat vegetation, when what are the neighbors gonna say the neighbors are gonna go God I hate this House please make it only one story.

894
01:50:18.090 --> 01:50:26.610
- Puppet: Not three stories in a roof deck that's cheating you're trying to get an ocean view without paying off like button for enough money.

895
01:50:27.660 --> 01:50:35.280
- Puppet: So go puppet moves for a report Carol FBI FBI micron like.

896
01:50:36.360 --> 01:50:38.400
- Puppet: Jose ways are Jose way, sir.

897
01:50:40.350 --> 01:50:40.770
Alix: Yes.

898
01:50:41.070 --> 01:50:42.150
Alix: Sir, Mr peppa.

899
01:50:42.420 --> 01:50:42.780
- Puppet: we're just.

900
01:50:45.240 --> 01:50:45.870
Alix: Robin.

901
01:50:49.260 --> 01:50:50.880
RobinRudisill: guess is funny.

902
01:50:52.110 --> 01:50:56.430
RobinRudisill: Is Robin and I have some questions for the representative.

903
01:50:57.720 --> 01:51:03.450
RobinRudisill: Number one did you meet with your neighbors and review your plans i'd like to know their reaction.

904
01:51:04.830 --> 01:51:14.070
RobinRudisill: Have you had your state dual permit hearing it wasn't clear if that you've just exhausted all the city hearings and appeals, or if.

905
01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:26.760
RobinRudisill: you've also had your state hearing, and that is over, also, I think all dual zone project should come before the dnc so i'm curious as to why it didn't.

906
01:51:27.540 --> 01:51:36.750
RobinRudisill: I didn't understand the comment about the adjacent site and i'm I can't imagine, I can't see the yards I can't tell if there are any and I can't imagine.

907
01:51:38.340 --> 01:51:46.500
RobinRudisill: You know how they relate to the next door neighbors it's so important to know how this project relates to its neighbors I wish we could see something.

908
01:51:47.490 --> 01:52:01.380
RobinRudisill: In this presentation that shows that, so if there's a way to either show that or describe it and and if chair, or the representative Chris if you could make sure those questions are answered i'd really appreciate it, thank you.

909
01:52:02.010 --> 01:52:02.730
Alix: Thank you.

910
01:52:03.810 --> 01:52:05.640
Andrea Michaelson: Would you like me to reply now or.

911
01:52:05.640 --> 01:52:07.230
Alix: No, no, no we're gonna keep with.

912
01:52:07.230 --> 01:52:07.980
Alix: Public comment.

913
01:52:08.310 --> 01:52:09.240
Andrea Michaelson: Oh sorry okay.

914
01:52:09.900 --> 01:52:10.800
cj.

915
01:52:13.980 --> 01:52:17.280
CJ Cole: Okay um a couple of things.

916
01:52:18.450 --> 01:52:20.250
CJ Cole: it's not just this project.

917
01:52:20.760 --> 01:52:21.330
CJ Cole: But are.

918
01:52:22.500 --> 01:52:36.060
CJ Cole: They I know these plans are being shown at this meeting, but is there a way that they can be also available so that the public can use, you know see them other than at a meeting um.

919
01:52:36.720 --> 01:52:58.470
CJ Cole: My main concern with this one is the vegetation on the top, we do have a 30 foot height limit, which is very, very important on the canals and if these are trees, or anything of any size, other than maybe a small planter this is going to increase the height limit project.

920
01:52:59.850 --> 01:53:05.790
CJ Cole: And I think we've got to be very cognizant of that um.

921
01:53:06.870 --> 01:53:22.290
CJ Cole: Again um I don't know it's just these plans, I would like to be able to look at other than just right now or in the 10 Minutes that when we go to the Venice do the board meeting thank.

922
01:53:22.740 --> 01:53:32.010
Alix: You day and just so you know the plans are posted online on the loop heck page on on the supporting materials and those were posted 72 hours prior.

923
01:53:35.490 --> 01:53:36.180
Alix: Erica.

924
01:53:39.600 --> 01:53:51.990
Erica Moore: hi um I wanted to say that i'm happy about the setbacks, but I am concerned about it being the three levels i'm wondering if I know that the third level is smaller because of the decks.

925
01:53:52.410 --> 01:54:05.130
Erica Moore: But I want to know if the third level is obstructing other other Homeowners views and also, is it presenting an intrusive view into others yards or homes.

926
01:54:05.640 --> 01:54:17.040
Erica Moore: Based on where the windows or position and things like that, on the design, is it is pretty it looks pretty commercial looks like an office building, I mean again I know there's different tastes.

927
01:54:18.270 --> 01:54:22.680
Erica Moore: You know the canals is a is a is definitely has a variety of things going on in it, but.

928
01:54:23.850 --> 01:54:35.880
Erica Moore: I do like it, that the mellow has been observed, and I do like that you have gotten the swell reports and things like that that is so important and so many people are able to circumvent that now all.

929
01:54:41.130 --> 01:54:48.960
Erica Moore: Ways, I would like to see that question answered also about others in the Community, being of having access to this.

930
01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:51.720
Erica Moore: i'm not saying okay thanks.

931
01:54:51.780 --> 01:54:52.890
Alix: Thank you Erica.

932
01:54:55.980 --> 01:55:02.160
Alix: And our last call last one, and then we're closing public comment is darryl CAFE.

933
01:55:06.510 --> 01:55:08.040
Darryl DuFay: Thank you, you can hear me.

934
01:55:08.460 --> 01:55:09.360
We can.

935
01:55:10.440 --> 01:55:22.920
Darryl DuFay: I am very concerned about, not the project itself, but the procedure, if you look at it it's already been approved by the city it's already been approved by the count coastal Commission.

936
01:55:24.180 --> 01:55:28.560
Darryl DuFay: And it's never been presented, you don't even have a report on it.

937
01:55:29.640 --> 01:55:51.720
Darryl DuFay: So I went back and look 20 years ago when we set up this whole process when I was chair and we had an application what we did, and the procedure was it came to pack first, then we had it review, then we went to the neighborhood Council then.

938
01:55:52.860 --> 01:56:01.680
Darryl DuFay: The applicant went to the city and after that they went to the coastal Commission I don't know why this was changed.

939
01:56:03.420 --> 01:56:05.910
Darryl DuFay: It was approved, and it was approved in April.

940
01:56:07.350 --> 01:56:16.800
Darryl DuFay: The applicant and didn't have her a meeting with the with the excuse me, the neighborhood until July.

941
01:56:18.000 --> 01:56:40.020
Darryl DuFay: it's all and i'm hoping that the loop back will start to go back and look at how we did things when it was and when the when the first thing, and the most important thing was to notify the Community and review, a project, this is done completely backwards.

942
01:56:41.190 --> 01:56:49.860
Darryl DuFay: and Chris I know it's working on I don't know if you send a report or not, but i've had to couple emails with him and he's been very helpful.

943
01:56:51.090 --> 01:56:53.280
Darryl DuFay: With this is not the way it should be done.

944
01:56:54.570 --> 01:56:55.050
Darryl DuFay: Thank you.

945
01:56:55.770 --> 01:57:13.050
Alix: Thank you Darrell so before we go to the Committee i'm actually going to speak to darryl Darrell point you're you're right and you weren't here at the beginning of the meeting, but from now moving forward every c&c report will be discussed in in public.

946
01:57:14.340 --> 01:57:26.970
Alix: I don't know where the process got that lost along the way, I can only tell you darryl that I myself had a how what got me into land use was, I had a disastrous house built on my street with.

947
01:57:28.020 --> 01:57:34.290
Alix: You guys all know the story, many of you, because i've talked about it, and it was basically demolished and built.

948
01:57:34.590 --> 01:57:44.790
Alix: And when they then applied for their CDP Only then did it go to loop back, I think that was the case anyway, so the bottom line being is you're right, the process has been.

949
01:57:45.540 --> 01:57:58.290
Alix: meddled along the way, and when this came forward it to me from IRA, I immediately put it on but you know it should have gone on sooner and it wasn't and that's going to change in the in the future.

950
01:57:59.100 --> 01:58:05.640
Alix: committee members, do you have anything you want to say about this project, Chris do you want to do your presentation on it, please.

951
01:58:06.690 --> 01:58:16.050
Chris Zonnas: yeah well so so first back to what you said I You know, as you know, this was handed to me a couple weeks ago passed all the hearing dates, this was Carlos this project.

952
01:58:16.830 --> 01:58:26.850
Chris Zonnas: So I can't speak to what happened months ago as Darrell said hearing anything was in March and approved in April, where it does say in the determination letter that you are supposed to go to loop back.

953
01:58:28.320 --> 01:58:39.000
Chris Zonnas: I can't speak to what happened and as one of the College said before, maybe it is on someone in the city, you know, to look at that and maybe it is you know if it's not a student or in this case been do kind and has to say.

954
01:58:39.960 --> 01:58:58.500
Chris Zonnas: where's your Lou peck approval before giving the CDP but I I also can't explain what happened again this this is given to me like three weeks ago, so I did my staff report some I mentioned wanting to see a streetscape that there is a streetscape so angie wants to put it up.

955
01:58:59.580 --> 01:59:13.170
Chris Zonnas: it's not quite like a perfect rendering one, but it does show photos of the neighbors and in that same file i'm looking at it does show the yard next door as a great isn't it no like an empty property.

956
01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:17.520
Chris Zonnas: So I don't know if people want to see that Andrew you could put that up.

957
01:59:18.180 --> 01:59:24.330
Chris Zonnas: And as least, as you said, you know the whoever asked the plans are posted on the site.

958
01:59:25.770 --> 01:59:38.940
Chris Zonnas: Yes, yeah the windows for privacy, so this is, I guess, why we have these, you know as Andrew just said, a translucent I think correct me if i'm wrong and you're like the side windows you can't see through Is that correct.

959
01:59:39.240 --> 01:59:44.970
Andrea Michaelson: Right, I mean the windows in the stairwells because they go up and down are definitely respect for.

960
01:59:47.220 --> 01:59:59.070
Andrea Michaelson: Their definitely respect for textured glass and some of the windows that have visibility i'm just like you don't we don't want to look at someone else frustrated their window they don't want to look at yours.

961
01:59:59.520 --> 02:00:04.830
Andrea Michaelson: On the there is a whole empty lot on one side of the property, so the neighbor is.

962
02:00:05.640 --> 02:00:11.370
Andrea Michaelson: You know 30 probably almost 40 feet 38 feet away right there was 30 plus.

963
02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:23.280
Andrea Michaelson: Three and three so he's 36 feet away minimum and the other side is we've got five and a half feet setback, which most people use three because it's a corner lot and then there's an alleyway so the neighbor.

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02:00:23.640 --> 02:00:35.610
Andrea Michaelson: on to the other side is is on grand canal and there it's their driveway side you know it's that we're most people don't have exposure, you know, open up their exposure to the.

965
02:00:37.740 --> 02:00:44.970
Andrea Michaelson: To the not to the garage and the alleys I will show you the streetscape study.

966
02:00:49.980 --> 02:00:58.770
Andrea Michaelson: Let me see if I can zoom in a little bit in terms of So you can see that sorry there we go, so you can see, this is the House.

967
02:01:01.050 --> 02:01:17.790
Andrea Michaelson: Next door but there's, the problem is, in our plans we're not supposed to show the extra lot because it's a separate title to separate address it's a separate property, this is the House setback with this huge beautiful coral tree, which is staying and then there's this lot in between.

968
02:01:19.230 --> 02:01:20.340
Andrea Michaelson: it's actually this law.

969
02:01:20.370 --> 02:01:21.720
Michael Jensen: And you scroll down a little bit.

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02:01:22.230 --> 02:01:22.950
worse.

971
02:01:25.890 --> 02:01:40.710
Andrea Michaelson: yeah so this this House in blue is the House we're speaking of it to 12 Sherman, and this is the empty lot and so that's what I said we've exposed the House this way and we've exposed the House this way because of the garden.

972
02:01:41.580 --> 02:01:57.990
Andrea Michaelson: As I said, there's the nearest house is this one, and then these are the facing their canal, and so, these are the garages so you're really not very exposed to anybody the most exposure would be to the neighbor across the alley.

973
02:02:00.240 --> 02:02:13.020
Andrea Michaelson: This way, because you know when you're up here in a balcony on the third floor you're looking at this guy's garage, and this is this is this guy's garage as well, so I mean, yes, there are windows, but they're limited in terms of of.

974
02:02:13.980 --> 02:02:31.560
Andrea Michaelson: fantasy fenestration know obviously everybody wants fenestration but in terms of visibility into other people's homes, this is a two story home, and so you know I think the accesses a visual access is pretty it will still be somewhat private.

975
02:02:33.900 --> 02:02:42.360
Andrea Michaelson: it's the 30 foot height maximum it has been um obviously adhere to that planning and that that's a that's a standard.

976
02:02:42.690 --> 02:02:56.940
Andrea Michaelson: One cannot exceed it and actually the home now, even though it's obstructed a little bit by this tree it's currently at 23 feet, because it's got a very, very steep sloping roof, so you know you're adding seven feet.

977
02:02:57.750 --> 02:03:12.540
Andrea Michaelson: The the the vegetation on the roof is for a semi intensive which are just very low shrubbery it's really just to give I mean actually it's it's good for the air it's good for you know it keeps the heat down it's.

978
02:03:13.170 --> 02:03:22.680
Andrea Michaelson: Good for nature birds butterflies etc and it's just semi intensive it's all low low shrubbery trying to think what the other I did want to say that.

979
02:03:23.370 --> 02:03:35.580
Andrea Michaelson: I guess it may be backwards, but in the rules, and this is probably where I guess it should get addressed in the rules for planning, which is obviously step one there's no mention of the Venice.

980
02:03:37.170 --> 02:03:45.780
Andrea Michaelson: Council it's it's when you go to apply to CCC i'm just saying this from the beginning standpoint of this is the first project i've had in the canals.

981
02:03:46.080 --> 02:03:55.170
Andrea Michaelson: it's when you go to the CCC and you fill out that coastal application that it's listed that it's a requirement, so I think, maybe there's a way to.

982
02:03:55.530 --> 02:04:03.390
Andrea Michaelson: Since people go to planning before CCC because you need that permit in order to apply, plus the appeals, in order to apply for the coastal Commission.

983
02:04:03.810 --> 02:04:19.080
Andrea Michaelson: It would seem to me, maybe they can just change it over to the requirement for planning, so that one doesn't wait to find out until you've looked at the California coastal Commission application and then you see what's required that's just my own opinion about that.

984
02:04:21.840 --> 02:04:36.090
Andrea Michaelson: Was there any the end for planning, there is 100 foot radius map and labels required so when you for there's a posting there's been a posting since we submitted it to the belt, the basic first step of planning.

985
02:04:36.660 --> 02:04:50.940
Andrea Michaelson: posting and labels that have to go to 100 feet, the this one yours is 250 so that's this and then there's a second posting for California coastal and there has been so there was a hearing for planning.

986
02:04:51.390 --> 02:05:02.280
Andrea Michaelson: there's this hearing we did the letter and invited the neighborhood showed the plans that was a 250 foot radius posting and labels and mailing so.

987
02:05:02.910 --> 02:05:12.180
Andrea Michaelson: I think neighbors have had other than if you don't walk by they within 250 feet, they were sent a mailing to and they were invited to an informal.

988
02:05:14.610 --> 02:05:18.990
Andrea Michaelson: Sit down in the yard here with the large set of plans to look at as well.

989
02:05:22.110 --> 02:05:25.050
Chris Zonnas: And the one last point, I was on someone said something about the view.

990
02:05:26.250 --> 02:05:37.200
Chris Zonnas: And you know I guess what can we say I mean if someone's got a view from one of those homes on the canal, but the backside of their garage and the canal, I guess, now they won't or, on the other side south.

991
02:05:39.360 --> 02:05:50.400
Chris Zonnas: This would have been a chance to say something so it's here now and as Andrew said, I mean they do have B2C receipts for the 250 radius it was done and it was posted right there on the property to.

992
02:05:51.840 --> 02:05:59.130
Chris Zonnas: You know I guess you'd say you had your chance to comment and talk about the view if you're not in this room right now to say something about about that.

993
02:06:00.210 --> 02:06:01.170
Chris Zonnas: What else can be done.

994
02:06:02.520 --> 02:06:06.420
Chris Zonnas: I mean, unless this was done earlier for us, but not, not counting that what else can be done now.

995
02:06:09.300 --> 02:06:10.260
Andrea Michaelson: Are you asking me.

996
02:06:10.320 --> 02:06:22.860
Chris Zonnas: No i'm just saying they were horrible question, I mean the view you know it's that's what we have lupus meetings for these kind of things where the neighbors and i'm, so this is it you know if no one's here to speak for their view being lost I don't know what else we can do.

997
02:06:23.010 --> 02:06:25.560
Chris Zonnas: They did have vacation you did what you were supposed to do.

998
02:06:26.310 --> 02:06:36.300
Alix: and Chris i'm going to turn it to shop and area, there was a question about the dual coastal zone state hearing and whether that's taking place yet if you could answer that too and.

999
02:06:37.260 --> 02:06:46.290
Andrea Michaelson: Really understanding it was asked, I think the report i'm not really sure what that is I just know that the applications have been submitted to coastal.

1000
02:06:46.980 --> 02:06:54.090
Andrea Michaelson: They will not accept them until both appeal periods are passed and it's in coastal I have, from what I understand.

1001
02:06:54.330 --> 02:07:06.420
Andrea Michaelson: Coastal with does have one more hearing, but I think it's a coastal Commission hearing, I don't know that it's a public hearing, because there have already been to i'm not sure, to be honest i've not never had to go through that process, yet.

1002
02:07:06.780 --> 02:07:10.380
Andrea Michaelson: All I know is that the applications have been accepted.

1003
02:07:12.000 --> 02:07:22.770
Andrea Michaelson: And they've sent a letter to us, stating that the appeal periods have ended, and there were no appeals and therefore it's in the process i'm not really sure I think they do have some.

1004
02:07:23.580 --> 02:07:35.730
Andrea Michaelson: Is you have to send them labels also but i'm not really sure I really don't know I can't answer to that i'm not sure I haven't been through the coastal process yeah I mean we just sort of started.

1005
02:07:37.380 --> 02:07:38.370
Alix: At chef.

1006
02:07:39.030 --> 02:07:49.020
Shepard Stern: Your thanks to leaks shep stern here, I have a question about the the empty lot next door to they own that too.

1007
02:07:49.410 --> 02:07:52.440
Shepard Stern: yeah is that always going to remain an empty lot.

1008
02:07:52.890 --> 02:08:00.900
Andrea Michaelson: Yes, I mean always and we could sell the House in 20 years I can't answer to always that's that's a sort of a.

1009
02:08:01.350 --> 02:08:15.420
Andrea Michaelson: But as of right now, the plan is they're attached the garden, the House is exposed with doors opening to the side yard, because it's going to be the side garden for this home okay.

1010
02:08:16.680 --> 02:08:21.510
Shepard Stern: Well, I have to agree with with darryl and and.

1011
02:08:22.650 --> 02:08:22.920
Chris Zonnas: This is.

1012
02:08:23.010 --> 02:08:27.240
Shepard Stern: All happening backwards for poor little loop back i'm.

1013
02:08:28.740 --> 02:08:36.450
Shepard Stern: Just you know I would, if I lived I don't live in the canals, but if I did live in the canals and I could see this House across the way or any.

1014
02:08:36.870 --> 02:08:47.160
Shepard Stern: You know I have this after say my mom told me if I can't say anything nice about something, not to say anything at all, but it looks like an rv a giant rv.

1015
02:08:47.970 --> 02:09:03.480
Shepard Stern: It just reminds me of a giant rv and and i'm i'm sorry to have to say that, but i'm kind of astounded at the look of this it's incredibly rectangular and boxy and clearly gigantic so.

1016
02:09:04.830 --> 02:09:07.350
Shepard Stern: poor little loop back here we go thanks.

1017
02:09:11.130 --> 02:09:12.540
Alix: anyone else on the committee.

1018
02:09:13.800 --> 02:09:15.810
Michael Jensen: yeah what's the so.

1019
02:09:18.240 --> 02:09:30.990
Michael Jensen: what's the resulting flir of this because it looks like it has the absolute minimal open space that would be required and that it's been pretty much the building envelope or or am I missing something.

1020
02:09:35.250 --> 02:09:46.530
Chris Zonnas: That the numbers calculate you know there's less than two thirds of the total open space than the first level, and they have the calculations are in the plans are you go 105 and 106.

1021
02:09:48.690 --> 02:09:52.260
Andrea Michaelson: And the calculations are on the cover page so just one second.

1022
02:10:00.180 --> 02:10:00.720
Andrea Michaelson: Okay.

1023
02:10:00.840 --> 02:10:02.820
Chris Zonnas: So do you got that side like.

1024
02:10:03.990 --> 02:10:09.060
Chris Zonnas: open space or runs down the whole length of the House, you know it gives you a lot of square footage.

1025
02:10:10.680 --> 02:10:11.760
Michael Jensen: I wouldn't call it a lot.

1026
02:10:11.850 --> 02:10:14.760
Alix: faces yeah I wouldn't call it a lot either feet.

1027
02:10:15.090 --> 02:10:17.310
Andrea Michaelson: The total open space for this lot is.

1028
02:10:18.330 --> 02:10:31.980
Andrea Michaelson: 1100 and 70 square feet feet point one five the open space requirement for the lot is a 10 1055 and it's 1100 and 70.

1029
02:10:32.070 --> 02:10:33.180
Michael Jensen: Oh by 15 feet.

1030
02:10:33.870 --> 02:10:35.520
Alix: So it's basically the bare minimum.

1031
02:10:35.640 --> 02:10:40.560
Andrea Michaelson: So hundred and 20 feet actually square feet it's.

1032
02:10:40.650 --> 02:10:43.110
Andrea Michaelson: 105 1055 i'm sorry.

1033
02:10:44.370 --> 02:10:45.810
Michael Jensen: My mistake, no.

1034
02:10:47.730 --> 02:10:51.120
Michael Jensen: But I mean I think it's great that the law next door is open, but.

1035
02:10:52.560 --> 02:11:05.580
Michael Jensen: You know that's sort of a temper I mean that's not necessarily going to stay that way, and if you have the same thing built next door, I mean we've essentially just blocked out the whole end of this.

1036
02:11:05.790 --> 02:11:18.840
Andrea Michaelson: Nobody will House like this if they owned a lot when all of these doors open to the garden, then, what do you do you open to it to an alleyway, this is the lot line, nobody would.

1037
02:11:18.870 --> 02:11:19.620
Michael Jensen: Do that you.

1038
02:11:19.710 --> 02:11:21.030
Michael Jensen: Can you join a lots.

1039
02:11:21.390 --> 02:11:22.230
Andrea Michaelson: Excuse me.

1040
02:11:22.620 --> 02:11:23.850
Michael Jensen: Can you join the locks.

1041
02:11:23.910 --> 02:11:28.710
Andrea Michaelson: He won't let you join the lots, but if you see here you're walking through here to the front door.

1042
02:11:29.010 --> 02:11:30.900
Michael Jensen: You know I get it it's Dr tourists.

1043
02:11:31.410 --> 02:11:37.350
Andrea Michaelson: All of these doors stack open, not to this three feet to a whole garden next door.

1044
02:11:42.060 --> 02:11:46.830
Andrea Michaelson: Nobody would do that if they were going to sell or build on the lot, it would be insane I think.

1045
02:11:48.660 --> 02:11:53.820
Michael Jensen: No, I get what you're saying it's just I mean who knows what the next owner does.

1046
02:11:55.890 --> 02:12:06.090
Michael Jensen: So I mean, I guess, my feeling is you know this one meets the requirements, you know, in terms of taste it's not my cup of tea, but.

1047
02:12:08.250 --> 02:12:09.360
Michael Jensen: that's my feeling I but.

1048
02:12:12.510 --> 02:12:15.780
Michael Jensen: there's no variances or or adjustments requested correct.

1049
02:12:16.560 --> 02:12:18.000
Alix: Right okay yeah.

1050
02:12:19.860 --> 02:12:20.250
Michael Jensen: well.

1051
02:12:20.310 --> 02:12:20.940
Alix: anyone else.

1052
02:12:21.330 --> 02:12:22.470
Michael Jensen: tried to build this in oakland.

1053
02:12:28.980 --> 02:12:30.390
Alix: Chris do you want to make a motion.

1054
02:12:31.230 --> 02:12:44.400
Chris Zonnas: yeah I mean it's you know it already has a CDP but I was just really I think for the neighbors so if there's no complaint about angles or views are blocking something or privacy, then, then I approved motion as his.

1055
02:12:45.810 --> 02:12:47.940
Alix: motion to present your second again.

1056
02:12:53.160 --> 02:12:54.450
Michael Jensen: i'll second your motion press.

1057
02:12:58.170 --> 02:12:58.560
Alix: them.

1058
02:13:00.030 --> 02:13:02.340
Tim Bonefeld: i'm assuming it's already past.

1059
02:13:03.690 --> 02:13:05.370
Alix: All of the chef.

1060
02:13:06.390 --> 02:13:10.410
Shepard Stern: i'm gonna go know someone can look at this from the future and say Oh, he voted no.

1061
02:13:10.980 --> 02:13:17.880
Alix: i'm voting no as well to Andrea please be at the board meeting the third Tuesday of August.

1062
02:13:18.690 --> 02:13:21.960
Andrea Michaelson: i'm sorry the third Tuesday of August yep.

1063
02:13:22.770 --> 02:13:26.610
Alix: which I think is the 17th okay.

1064
02:13:32.370 --> 02:13:36.480
Alix: And I believe this can still be challenged at the state level of their objections.

1065
02:13:37.680 --> 02:13:42.630
Alix: i'm Moving on, we have strong drive.

1066
02:13:44.400 --> 02:13:45.300
Alix: Is our last.

1067
02:13:46.560 --> 02:13:51.510
Alix: house project on here, Andrea i'm gonna kick you out.

1068
02:13:52.830 --> 02:13:53.130
Chris Zonnas: Okay.

1069
02:13:53.850 --> 02:13:54.780
Chris Zonnas: The next one, though, to.

1070
02:13:56.640 --> 02:13:57.840
Alix: android O is Andrea.

1071
02:13:58.020 --> 02:14:02.190
Chris Zonnas: Every, I think, even though it's Michael Salazar I think she's doing it.

1072
02:14:02.880 --> 02:14:05.520
Alix: Okay sorry Andrea i'm putting it back in.

1073
02:14:10.860 --> 02:14:11.280
Great.

1074
02:14:13.650 --> 02:14:16.230
Alix: And reggie you want to do the presentation.

1075
02:14:23.370 --> 02:14:24.120
Chris Zonnas: she's muted.

1076
02:14:26.070 --> 02:14:32.130
Alix: she's a panelist she should be able to unmute, but I just asked her there we go.

1077
02:14:37.530 --> 02:14:39.750
Andrea Michaelson: Okay, so on to the next.

1078
02:14:44.370 --> 02:14:46.260
Andrea Michaelson: property is.

1079
02:14:48.060 --> 02:14:49.020
Andrea Michaelson: A remodel.

1080
02:14:52.830 --> 02:14:55.860
Andrea Michaelson: There are existing plans, let me find them.

1081
02:14:55.860 --> 02:14:56.400
Sorry.

1082
02:15:00.150 --> 02:15:00.870
Andrea Michaelson: i'm sorry.

1083
02:15:03.150 --> 02:15:04.680
Alix: Nothing OK.

1084
02:15:07.950 --> 02:15:09.540
Andrea Michaelson: OK so.

1085
02:15:11.640 --> 02:15:13.020
Andrea Michaelson: Here we go exists.

1086
02:15:14.340 --> 02:15:14.910
Andrea Michaelson: Sorry.

1087
02:15:16.410 --> 02:15:17.910
Andrea Michaelson: existing plans.

1088
02:15:21.390 --> 02:15:24.960
Andrea Michaelson: Basically they're filling in this corner.

1089
02:15:26.550 --> 02:15:31.050
Andrea Michaelson: And just this right here, everything else is the same box.

1090
02:15:35.040 --> 02:15:46.350
Andrea Michaelson: there's an addition of sorry let's go back there's an ID so this corners being filled in this entry way and a slight new setback of 11 feet nine.

1091
02:15:50.190 --> 02:15:51.030
Andrea Michaelson: there's a.

1092
02:15:53.160 --> 02:15:58.260
Andrea Michaelson: an addition, on the second floor of this area, right here, and the third floor.

1093
02:16:05.010 --> 02:16:05.580
Andrea Michaelson: Sorry.

1094
02:16:07.800 --> 02:16:16.350
Andrea Michaelson: Current roof deck there won't be a green roof on here it's been stamped that way but they're absolutely won't because the client doesn't want to spend the money.

1095
02:16:19.740 --> 02:16:20.700
Andrea Michaelson: and

1096
02:16:22.380 --> 02:16:26.820
Andrea Michaelson: The hundred and 30 and 130.5 square foot addition on the first level.

1097
02:16:28.020 --> 02:16:37.080
Andrea Michaelson: We had to move the House back because it's a narrower lot and therefore the it didn't meet the 450 minimum square foot set.

1098
02:16:37.950 --> 02:16:48.030
Andrea Michaelson: front yard, even though it didn't meet the 15 foot setback, so now the setback is 18 seven in order to get the 450 square feet of open space because.

1099
02:16:48.420 --> 02:17:01.770
Andrea Michaelson: Some at some point way back when this lot was one of the few that they reduced it from 30 to 28 so therefore it reduces the size of the the open space, so the setback is a bit further.

1100
02:17:06.750 --> 02:17:17.580
Andrea Michaelson: You walk through the side around the garage through the front door it's an open floor plan deck in the front deck in the back those are the existing.

1101
02:17:18.720 --> 02:17:20.820
Andrea Michaelson: And that's sort of the design of the House.

1102
02:17:34.740 --> 02:17:36.690
Andrea Michaelson: terms of square footage.

1103
02:17:46.950 --> 02:18:05.670
Andrea Michaelson: Existing areas 2242 square feet at two stories, the House will be 3754 three stories with the building height of 29 730 and a half square feet of first floor edition 173 on the second floor and 1209 on the third.

1104
02:18:18.660 --> 02:18:21.330
Andrea Michaelson: Any questions for me no.

1105
02:18:30.300 --> 02:18:31.500
Andrea Michaelson: I can't hear you.

1106
02:18:33.270 --> 02:18:44.880
Alix: Okay i'm going to open sorry i'm going to open this up to public comment, I believe this is the two to bless excuse me do will coastal zone also public comment on soc two hands up.

1107
02:18:47.340 --> 02:18:52.860
Alix: Three hands okay we're going to start on public comment, Mr puppets.

1108
02:18:56.340 --> 02:18:57.000
Alix: Mr puppet.

1109
02:18:59.010 --> 02:19:03.660
- Puppet: Go ahead, yes, so again more deviousness.

1110
02:19:04.800 --> 02:19:07.170
- Puppet: And we set our prayer for Venice.

1111
02:19:08.520 --> 02:19:32.190
- Puppet: Little houses cannot be built with the greedy developers as they continue to expand their empire, so they can sell the loans junk bonds the Wall Street and imagine andrea's horror and a couple of years, when she short sells the House to goat puppet we're only 350,000 cash no shit yes.

1112
02:19:32.460 --> 02:19:55.530
- Puppet: They don't puppet living near the beach for a mirror one 10th of what you're paying go puppet moves to approve this project only because he's gonna buy it from a bank for one 10th of the price I suck at it, yes, again, fair and equitable God puppet the best advocate for your needs.

1113
02:19:57.840 --> 02:19:59.040
Alix: Thanks, Mr puppet.

1114
02:20:04.560 --> 02:20:05.160
Alix: Robin.

1115
02:20:08.910 --> 02:20:10.290
RobinRudisill: I Robin Roussel.

1116
02:20:11.610 --> 02:20:25.800
RobinRudisill: On this one in looking at these plans that you've put up on the screen I can't tell anything about the character of the proposed home or the articulation.

1117
02:20:27.390 --> 02:20:37.350
RobinRudisill: I would like to see an elevation or a rendering if that's available, and then I would like to know the total square footage the project description only says.

1118
02:20:38.250 --> 02:20:55.620
RobinRudisill: The amount of the addition, so I would like to know the total and then i'm also curious why you're using the strong's address when this is a canal front home right on the grand canal seems like it should be using that address and, lastly, yes.

1119
02:20:56.790 --> 02:21:00.360
RobinRudisill: I just looked it up, and it is in the dual zone too so.

1120
02:21:01.530 --> 02:21:06.480
RobinRudisill: The dnc letter would actually be going to the coastal staff.

1121
02:21:07.530 --> 02:21:24.450
RobinRudisill: For your recommendation in this case, since the window was missed for the city, just like the project we just turned over there on Sherman So if you could let me know about the square footage elevation and the rendering and why using the strong's address Thank you.

1122
02:21:25.290 --> 02:21:30.180
Alix: Thanks Robin and last one is Erica more and then we're closing public comment.

1123
02:21:38.040 --> 02:21:38.940
Erica Moore: Does Erica.

1124
02:21:39.090 --> 02:21:54.870
Erica Moore: And I hi okay I you know I am concerned, also about the design of this as well, and the size, I don't know why everything's got to be three stories high now I guess it is within the limit because it's the 29 feet, but.

1125
02:21:55.710 --> 02:22:08.580
Erica Moore: It just seems like it's encroaching on the entire piece of property almost we need when I see the renderings it, it looks like there's very little green space, even though I realized, they have accommodated the amount they're supposed to have it just.

1126
02:22:09.720 --> 02:22:16.650
Erica Moore: It just looks really, really big and encroaching um I think that I think that the point that was made in the last.

1127
02:22:17.490 --> 02:22:36.330
Erica Moore: Item about the the order of how things should roll out with all of these projects absolutely should be evaluated, it does seem like everything is happening backwards, and I think that that is the biggest takeaway from tonight is that needs to really be re looked at, thank you very much.

1128
02:22:36.810 --> 02:22:37.830
Alix: Thank you Erica.

1129
02:22:39.030 --> 02:22:42.300
Alix: Closing public comment and.

1130
02:22:43.800 --> 02:22:55.650
Alix: i'm Chris I think you were staff on this, do you want to do a presentation and then we'll open it up to and ready to answer questions from that came from the public, and from the committee.

1131
02:22:56.850 --> 02:23:01.620
Chris Zonnas: um well it's the same situation as the last house, this was.

1132
02:23:02.940 --> 02:23:07.890
Chris Zonnas: A project I took over a couple weeks ago the CDP has been determined that they have everything.

1133
02:23:09.390 --> 02:23:14.430
Chris Zonnas: So this is really about, you know the neighbors and I don't know if anyone's here or not, but the views and the privacy and.

1134
02:23:15.480 --> 02:23:19.920
Chris Zonnas: That kind of thing, otherwise I don't have that much to add I said I do want to say.

1135
02:23:21.120 --> 02:23:27.540
Chris Zonnas: This House is not a like what I would consider in a neighbor of mine, because it's armstrong's i'm on a beach walk streets.

1136
02:23:28.050 --> 02:23:44.730
Chris Zonnas: You got across Pacific at a light go down and walk path walk you know south to get there, but when I was looking at Google maps and if you could fly over on a straight line like a bird I think it might be close to 500 feet so i'm going to recuse myself from the voting.

1137
02:23:46.170 --> 02:23:47.160
Chris Zonnas: At the end of this.

1138
02:23:50.370 --> 02:23:52.890
Tim Bonefeld: So we don't have a quorum to hear this makes.

1139
02:23:54.900 --> 02:23:55.830
Alix: um.

1140
02:23:58.080 --> 02:23:59.640
Alix: We don't have a quorum to hear this.

1141
02:24:01.410 --> 02:24:02.190
Alix: we're going to.

1142
02:24:02.820 --> 02:24:04.710
Alix: continue going to have to.

1143
02:24:04.860 --> 02:24:08.670
Michael Jensen: Wait is that for for recusal does that results in a loss of course.

1144
02:24:10.290 --> 02:24:13.200
Alix: yeah because they're only for fairness.

1145
02:24:13.260 --> 02:24:14.490
Chris Zonnas: I can abstain.

1146
02:24:15.900 --> 02:24:16.920
Chris Zonnas: Does that keep the quorum.

1147
02:24:16.980 --> 02:24:20.640
Michael Jensen: hey what's the are you actually yeah sorry that's what I was thinking is that what.

1148
02:24:22.110 --> 02:24:23.910
Michael Jensen: Are you actually within 500 feet.

1149
02:24:24.060 --> 02:24:24.900
Chris Zonnas: Chris what.

1150
02:24:25.650 --> 02:24:28.890
Tim Bonefeld: To do you want to give me your address, I can look it up right now, or.

1151
02:24:28.920 --> 02:24:29.100
Michael Jensen: sure.

1152
02:24:29.580 --> 02:24:31.230
Michael Jensen: To give all the 25 people here.

1153
02:24:32.340 --> 02:24:37.170
Chris Zonnas: I don't but like i'm you know it's again you couldn't get that this way.

1154
02:24:38.520 --> 02:24:39.750
Alix: your address to TIM.

1155
02:24:39.810 --> 02:24:47.700
Tim Bonefeld: yeah send me an email send an email to to loop back at the MC mc.org.

1156
02:24:48.900 --> 02:24:49.260
Tim Bonefeld: or here.

1157
02:24:51.090 --> 02:24:53.850
Tim Bonefeld: I give you my phone number understand, then you can text me.

1158
02:24:55.260 --> 02:24:55.800
Tim Bonefeld: call me.

1159
02:24:57.030 --> 02:24:58.770
Alix: Progress, you can text me, and I can.

1160
02:25:00.240 --> 02:25:02.910
james murez: Please say TIM, this is Jim your as i'm.

1161
02:25:03.420 --> 02:25:13.050
james murez: For sake of ease why don't you would get whoever sharing the screen to stop sharing the screen put seamless up on the screen with this street address and put a 500 foot radius on it.

1162
02:25:22.470 --> 02:25:24.300
Chris Zonnas: wouldn't have occurred to me before because.

1163
02:25:25.470 --> 02:25:37.320
Chris Zonnas: of where it is you know it's like down the hills of the canals and you couldn't get there quickly, but again, if I was a bird and I could go on a diagonal line through the through the wall street's over Pacific down strong's then.

1164
02:25:39.360 --> 02:25:41.970
Michael Jensen: 500 feet as the crow flies yeah.

1165
02:25:43.860 --> 02:25:47.070
Tim Bonefeld: So it's it was can anybody hear me.

1166
02:25:48.090 --> 02:25:49.800
Alix: TIM I just sent you the address.

1167
02:25:55.620 --> 02:25:56.370
Tim Bonefeld: Can you guys hear me.

1168
02:25:56.910 --> 02:25:57.960
Alix: yeah yeah i'll.

1169
02:25:58.350 --> 02:26:00.750
Tim Bonefeld: just put it in here and Chris can see if he is.

1170
02:26:09.240 --> 02:26:12.630
Alix: yeah but I don't think TIM wants everybody Chris wants everybody to see his address.

1171
02:26:13.920 --> 02:26:15.810
Tim Bonefeld: See he can just see on the map if.

1172
02:26:15.870 --> 02:26:18.180
Chris Zonnas: let's just assume that I am like I think I am.

1173
02:26:18.570 --> 02:26:20.940
Chris Zonnas: Again, I can I just abstained to keep warm.

1174
02:26:25.230 --> 02:26:28.680
Chris Zonnas: Is it this affects me an absolutely no way at all.

1175
02:26:30.600 --> 02:26:34.320
Tim Bonefeld: No, but it might affect ab weekend if if somebody decides.

1176
02:26:34.350 --> 02:26:34.860
yeah.

1177
02:26:37.710 --> 02:26:39.450
james murez: Are you within that blue circle.

1178
02:26:40.440 --> 02:26:41.520
Chris Zonnas: can use it in.

1179
02:26:42.960 --> 02:26:43.530
Tim Bonefeld: hang on.

1180
02:26:43.890 --> 02:26:46.380
Chris Zonnas: i'm just do it at my other computer here and.

1181
02:26:46.440 --> 02:26:47.760
Tim Bonefeld: hang on one second everybody.

1182
02:26:50.280 --> 02:26:51.510
james murez: A link, if you have.

1183
02:26:53.070 --> 02:26:56.250
james murez: You will have a committee of nine correct.

1184
02:26:56.580 --> 02:26:58.740
Alix: yeah we need size for quorum Jim.

1185
02:26:59.160 --> 02:27:03.150
james murez: and well, but you don't because two people are no longer on your committee right.

1186
02:27:04.500 --> 02:27:04.980
james murez: You have what.

1187
02:27:05.880 --> 02:27:12.030
Alix: Does that mean that doesn't change the fact the standing rules are that we have nine people on our committee.

1188
02:27:12.540 --> 02:27:20.130
james murez: Well, you don't you only have the number of people that are active on your committee, if you have people that have had to leave because of.

1189
02:27:21.960 --> 02:27:24.090
james murez: extenuating circumstances, you had.

1190
02:27:24.120 --> 02:27:24.600
james murez: My only.

1191
02:27:24.660 --> 02:27:26.670
Michael Jensen: design, we only have one resignation.

1192
02:27:26.910 --> 02:27:30.900
james murez: you'd be at the other one was moved to a different position that was daffodil she's now.

1193
02:27:31.380 --> 02:27:36.420
james murez: Right, no longer on me, so your committee seven that means your quorum is for.

1194
02:27:44.730 --> 02:27:45.840
Alix: Are we sure on that.

1195
02:27:46.260 --> 02:27:47.820
james murez: Positive 100%.

1196
02:27:50.220 --> 02:27:51.060
Chris Zonnas: It makes sense.

1197
02:27:54.000 --> 02:27:56.340
james murez: But i've been in this situation before.

1198
02:28:00.510 --> 02:28:00.870
Alix: Okay.

1199
02:28:01.830 --> 02:28:02.730
Chris Zonnas: I mean the circle.

1200
02:28:03.990 --> 02:28:05.460
Chris Zonnas: you're in the circle i'm in the circle.

1201
02:28:05.490 --> 02:28:06.270
Alix: No, I just.

1202
02:28:08.100 --> 02:28:09.510
james murez: So then, you need you need to read.

1203
02:28:10.380 --> 02:28:10.860
Alix: The rules.

1204
02:28:13.260 --> 02:28:13.620
Alix: You need to.

1205
02:28:13.980 --> 02:28:18.660
james murez: Chris you need to turn off your camera and your microphone and not participate anymore.

1206
02:28:18.660 --> 02:28:19.770
Alix: not participate that's.

1207
02:28:20.190 --> 02:28:21.660
james murez: The remainder of the committee can.

1208
02:28:21.660 --> 02:28:23.940
james murez: continue to conduct business is normal.

1209
02:28:25.020 --> 02:28:26.370
james murez: You have your hand up for me or for.

1210
02:28:26.370 --> 02:28:28.050
Chris Zonnas: squirrely me.

1211
02:28:28.650 --> 02:28:33.240
Shepard Stern: shadow my hand is up two quick questions about this project.

1212
02:28:33.480 --> 02:28:34.020
Okay.

1213
02:28:35.850 --> 02:28:37.440
Shepard Stern: Chris is already weighed in.

1214
02:28:37.830 --> 02:28:39.270
Chris Zonnas: On staff.

1215
02:28:40.950 --> 02:28:45.960
james murez: yeah well it's too late for that that should have been considered before we don't want to just keep this thing running forever.

1216
02:28:46.200 --> 02:28:46.560
Chris Zonnas: All right.

1217
02:28:46.590 --> 02:28:48.240
Tim Bonefeld: Can you see my text.

1218
02:28:48.750 --> 02:28:49.320
Alix: I did.

1219
02:28:50.940 --> 02:28:51.420
Alix: um.

1220
02:28:52.920 --> 02:29:00.510
Alix: Okay we're gonna have to do we're gonna have to do just so everybody knows, Chris is apparently within.

1221
02:29:01.770 --> 02:29:07.260
Alix: Within the radius for Sherman canal so we're going to have to.

1222
02:29:07.650 --> 02:29:09.840
Alix: strive what's up.

1223
02:29:10.170 --> 02:29:12.660
Andrea Michaelson: For 2704 strong strive.

1224
02:29:13.350 --> 02:29:23.130
Alix: I understand, but Andrea Chris who is staff on both of these TIM just texted me Chris is in the 500 foot radius for both Sherman Canal.

1225
02:29:23.250 --> 02:29:23.730
Andrea Michaelson: Both for.

1226
02:29:25.140 --> 02:29:26.310
Alix: Both properties.

1227
02:29:26.400 --> 02:29:27.930
Andrea Michaelson: I misunderstood.

1228
02:29:28.320 --> 02:29:37.710
Alix: Sorry, so we're going to deal with strong drive okay we're gonna shop have a question you have some stuff to answer we're going to take a vote on this.

1229
02:29:38.130 --> 02:29:53.640
Alix: And then we're going to figure out what to do on Sherman canal because Chris made the motion which we now have to throw out because it's not going to serve you to have someone making emotion, who is within 500 feet so let's deal with this and then we'll go back to the other one.

1230
02:29:57.270 --> 02:29:59.340
Alix: chap did you have a question about this.

1231
02:29:59.370 --> 02:30:03.720
Shepard Stern: yeah my question is Is this a speculative project, or is this.

1232
02:30:05.190 --> 02:30:08.550
Shepard Stern: Is this is a single family home what tell me about that.

1233
02:30:09.030 --> 02:30:17.670
Andrea Michaelson: it's a current single family home that's owned by Mr sol's or and while during this process, which has taken two years.

1234
02:30:19.140 --> 02:30:29.160
Andrea Michaelson: He decided to rent it to a friend and it's going to be a single family home, just as it is now and the person that's in it wants to buy it they're negotiating.

1235
02:30:29.580 --> 02:30:39.360
Andrea Michaelson: who's going to do the build out etc no engineering has been done, because of that, if the person wants to buy it they'll do their own specs and their own finishes etc.

1236
02:30:39.810 --> 02:30:47.040
Andrea Michaelson: And if the person doesn't want to buy it, it will most likely be built and sold, and I, this is just i'm just saying this.

1237
02:30:47.370 --> 02:30:55.710
Andrea Michaelson: You know, on the record off the record this is, you know there's a lot of If so, I can't speak to that the other one I can speak to because i'm going to live there.

1238
02:30:56.010 --> 02:31:07.260
Andrea Michaelson: So, this one is is you know for some for a client, they can decide to sell it, they can decide to keep it, they can decide to build that they can decide right now, the plan is.

1239
02:31:07.740 --> 02:31:18.390
Andrea Michaelson: That it's going to be a build and if the person who's renting it from him buys it he loves it if not to stay there, Mr saucer does not live in Los Angeles.

1240
02:31:20.790 --> 02:31:21.210
Thank you.

1241
02:31:27.450 --> 02:31:28.350
Alix: anybody else.

1242
02:31:34.830 --> 02:31:36.750
Alix: Would anyone, like to make a motion on us.

1243
02:31:40.320 --> 02:31:42.210
Tim Bonefeld: I got a question sorry I.

1244
02:31:43.740 --> 02:31:44.550
Tim Bonefeld: So.

1245
02:31:46.530 --> 02:31:51.690
Tim Bonefeld: Is the coastal appeal or as well, or just city appeal period.

1246
02:31:51.960 --> 02:32:03.240
Andrea Michaelson: Both both appeal periods are finished it's in coastal Commission for review and they have up to 180 days to, but the appeal periods are both over past.

1247
02:32:04.500 --> 02:32:06.930
Tim Bonefeld: So they will take a letter of recommendation I guess.

1248
02:32:11.010 --> 02:32:17.220
Andrea Michaelson: And if you'd like me to answer the questions from Robin and or Eric i'm happy to do so just let me know.

1249
02:32:17.940 --> 02:32:18.960
Alix: Yes, please.

1250
02:32:19.950 --> 02:32:23.160
Andrea Michaelson: So there was a question as to the address.

1251
02:32:24.480 --> 02:32:36.420
Andrea Michaelson: The official address for the property is 2704 strong's drive, I cannot do anything about that that's the address it's the it's the address on record that's the address for the property.

1252
02:32:37.020 --> 02:32:45.330
Andrea Michaelson: In terms of the square footage and elevations the elevation is up the square footage I think we covered the.

1253
02:32:46.410 --> 02:32:50.730
Andrea Michaelson: We had covered the first page of the square footage already i'm not sure if the.

1254
02:32:51.840 --> 02:32:56.970
Andrea Michaelson: If the if Robin was President at the time but.

1255
02:33:01.770 --> 02:33:11.580
Andrea Michaelson: But the building area of the existing home is to story 20 240 to grow square feet with the building height of.

1256
02:33:13.140 --> 02:33:23.580
Andrea Michaelson: The building of the proposed home is 3754 and 50 grow square feet with a building height of 29 feet seven inches.

1257
02:33:24.780 --> 02:33:27.960
Andrea Michaelson: And the elevations are.

1258
02:33:30.570 --> 02:33:31.410
Andrea Michaelson: In this.

1259
02:33:32.940 --> 02:33:35.550
Andrea Michaelson: will be this is the 3D and the elevation.

1260
02:33:35.670 --> 02:33:37.620
Tim Bonefeld: you're not sharing your screen again sorry.

1261
02:33:37.950 --> 02:33:41.970
Andrea Michaelson: Oh again sorry do I have to reshare we time my bed sorry about that.

1262
02:33:44.490 --> 02:33:45.480
Andrea Michaelson: Forgive me.

1263
02:33:47.580 --> 02:33:47.910
Every.

1264
02:34:05.370 --> 02:34:07.890
Andrea Michaelson: trying to find the property, the page.

1265
02:34:13.440 --> 02:34:18.450
Andrea Michaelson: Give me a minute, let me pull it up somehow it went back to the other object I lost it.

1266
02:34:26.340 --> 02:34:29.970
Andrea Michaelson: Oh sorry bear with me one second i'm not sure what happened.

1267
02:34:40.290 --> 02:34:44.280
Andrea Michaelson: So sorry I don't know why my computer's glitches here.

1268
02:34:56.100 --> 02:34:57.630
Andrea Michaelson: Can you see my screen now.

1269
02:34:59.490 --> 02:34:59.970
Andrea Michaelson: No.

1270
02:35:00.540 --> 02:35:01.470
Tim Bonefeld: Yes, yes, we can see.

1271
02:35:02.010 --> 02:35:03.330
Andrea Michaelson: We can see it okay great.

1272
02:35:03.870 --> 02:35:21.990
Andrea Michaelson: So Okay, so the elevations are on sheet 200 and sheet to a one with the east, west and north, south elevations and what was the other question the square footage we addressed.

1273
02:35:24.480 --> 02:35:29.700
Andrea Michaelson: i'm sorry i'm not sure what the other oh there's a streetscape view for this one as well.

1274
02:35:31.530 --> 02:35:33.240
Andrea Michaelson: which was.

1275
02:35:48.810 --> 02:35:49.500
Andrea Michaelson: Sorry.

1276
02:36:06.210 --> 02:36:13.350
Andrea Michaelson: there's a very contemporary house that's I think a little bit well at the scale is a little off, but it's it's pretty much the same height.

1277
02:36:14.370 --> 02:36:17.520
Andrea Michaelson: There railing looks set back so it looks a little lower.

1278
02:36:18.810 --> 02:36:23.160
Andrea Michaelson: To two doors away, and there are a couple of other new homes.

1279
02:36:24.270 --> 02:36:27.540
Andrea Michaelson: Like a little further that are not on the streetscape but.

1280
02:36:31.920 --> 02:36:36.330
Andrea Michaelson: I think that was it I think i'm not sure if I don't think there were any other questions that I didn't answer.

1281
02:36:44.430 --> 02:36:48.240
Alix: Does anyone chef you have a question I see your hand up or is that from before.

1282
02:36:49.440 --> 02:36:51.090
Shepard Stern: that's from before.

1283
02:36:55.260 --> 02:36:56.880
Alix: Does it does anyone else have.

1284
02:36:59.730 --> 02:37:03.720
Tim Bonefeld: As I just want to say, I think this is a pretty nice project, and I think that.

1285
02:37:05.190 --> 02:37:10.410
Tim Bonefeld: Two or three doors north of this project as a big three story.

1286
02:37:11.850 --> 02:37:25.830
Tim Bonefeld: I believe lenny ronnie to sign back in the early maybe 2000s mid 2000s, and I think that's a you know that the social scale of this scale up the canal so yeah I think this is a good project.

1287
02:37:43.380 --> 02:37:50.790
Tim Bonefeld: I can make I can make a motion if that's what we're waiting for i'll just make a motion to present to approve this project as presented.

1288
02:38:04.020 --> 02:38:07.800
Tim Bonefeld: I guess this motion failed by nobody's taking a.

1289
02:38:07.860 --> 02:38:10.260
Tim Bonefeld: Second perfect.

1290
02:38:13.410 --> 02:38:17.220
Alix: Okay, so sorry and.

1291
02:38:18.420 --> 02:38:19.770
Alix: James made the motion.

1292
02:38:24.240 --> 02:38:27.480
Alix: And mcallister second good shop.

1293
02:38:28.920 --> 02:38:29.550
Shepard Stern: know.

1294
02:38:32.070 --> 02:38:32.790
Shepard Stern: To.

1295
02:38:34.050 --> 02:38:35.880
Shepard Stern: I can't get behind this one sorry.

1296
02:38:36.480 --> 02:38:39.840
Alix: By the way, I can't get behind it either i'm a no on this also so.

1297
02:38:42.450 --> 02:38:43.830
Alix: wow it's too too.

1298
02:38:49.770 --> 02:38:54.660
Tim Bonefeld: Okay let's move back to the previous one good good omens me.

1299
02:38:55.740 --> 02:39:03.930
Alix: Okay, so Sherman canal, I need someone to make a motion that approved this to to remake the motion on Sherman.

1300
02:39:09.150 --> 02:39:10.620
Alix: Mikhail can you make the motion.

1301
02:39:11.730 --> 02:39:14.310
Michael Jensen: Someone to remake this the prior.

1302
02:39:14.790 --> 02:39:20.700
Alix: This Christmas, the motion on Sherman canal lot on strong's and Chris lives within a 500 foot radius.

1303
02:39:22.290 --> 02:39:25.590
Michael Jensen: Okay i'll make the motion to approve is presented.

1304
02:39:26.340 --> 02:39:27.720
Alix: And who wants to second that.

1305
02:39:28.080 --> 02:39:30.540
Tim Bonefeld: I will second that as well, based on.

1306
02:39:31.710 --> 02:39:36.660
Tim Bonefeld: It fits the scale up the adjacent buildings on the canal okay.

1307
02:39:36.870 --> 02:39:44.250
Alix: So you guys are yeses and i'm still no and chef still no so we have two votes that are sweat.

1308
02:39:45.360 --> 02:39:46.860
Tim Bonefeld: sheva no I didn't hear him say no.

1309
02:39:46.890 --> 02:39:48.060
Shepard Stern: Yes, I am no.

1310
02:39:49.530 --> 02:39:50.070
Alix: On the.

1311
02:39:50.190 --> 02:39:51.000
Shepard Stern: Sherman Canal.

1312
02:39:57.510 --> 02:40:01.170
james murez: Data leak, I have a quick question for you sorry to interrupt Jim you're as again.

1313
02:40:03.480 --> 02:40:13.230
james murez: If you denied did I just hear you deny a project, I was working on something else, because it was a tie, to to me, would mean it was a denial of project denial of motion.

1314
02:40:15.150 --> 02:40:16.860
james murez: Motion failed in that case right.

1315
02:40:17.460 --> 02:40:25.560
james murez: yeah so in the case that the motion fails, are you going to be sending it forward as as as not approved this presented.

1316
02:40:26.850 --> 02:40:29.340
james murez: Would you need to have a motion that describes.

1317
02:40:29.370 --> 02:40:30.720
what's not being approved.

1318
02:40:31.770 --> 02:40:37.740
Alix: I think we have to, I think the motion to approve the project is presented failed at Luca.

1319
02:40:38.310 --> 02:40:42.060
james murez: Okay, so as long as as long as you submit it that way that's fine I.

1320
02:40:43.020 --> 02:40:46.080
Alix: can make the decision as to whether they want to approve it or not.

1321
02:40:46.440 --> 02:40:46.800
Okay.

1322
02:40:48.000 --> 02:40:48.450
james murez: Thank you.

1323
02:40:49.500 --> 02:40:51.750
Andrea Michaelson: Verification I didn't understand it either.

1324
02:40:52.890 --> 02:41:00.450
Alix: Well, I mean we're not we're not we're going to go on for hours on end and we're not going to because of because there are only four of us in here we're not going to get to.

1325
02:41:00.780 --> 02:41:09.630
Alix: A motion to approve this or to change it, so it will go to the board of the recommendation for lupus would be it failed to get approval at lupus.

1326
02:41:10.050 --> 02:41:15.660
Andrea Michaelson: But the board could guide motion as is that what because I mean are there, supposed to be more people here than that.

1327
02:41:15.750 --> 02:41:16.170
Alix: So.

1328
02:41:16.230 --> 02:41:28.620
Alix: No worries so Andrew so let me, let me just clarify, let me clarify for everyone in we have a quorum Okay, Chris had to recuse himself, because he lives within 500 feet of this project, you hear.

1329
02:41:28.620 --> 02:41:29.850
Andrea Michaelson: That I got it.

1330
02:41:30.030 --> 02:41:30.780
i'm.

1331
02:41:31.950 --> 02:41:38.520
Alix: Chris has to trust us to to to recuse himself, because he lives within 500 feet of the project and.

1332
02:41:40.530 --> 02:41:46.440
Alix: Where was I me made a motion to sorry we made a motion to approve the project as presented.

1333
02:41:47.220 --> 02:41:54.510
Alix: Okay, and the motion didn't pass so it's going to the Board is that the motion to approve the project is presented did not pass.

1334
02:41:55.350 --> 02:42:03.720
Alix: we're not going to make any other motions the board can take it up and decide if they want to echo the sentiments of loop half or whether they want to prove project is presented.

1335
02:42:04.020 --> 02:42:05.550
Andrea Michaelson: How many people are on the board.

1336
02:42:06.480 --> 02:42:07.920
Alix: There 21 of us.

1337
02:42:08.280 --> 02:42:12.690
Tim Bonefeld: Oh God, I suggest that you work on your on your.

1338
02:42:13.800 --> 02:42:17.220
Tim Bonefeld: showing the neighbor buildings and showing them.

1339
02:42:18.930 --> 02:42:24.360
Tim Bonefeld: showing what do you have similar on the canals within a reasonable.

1340
02:42:25.650 --> 02:42:28.110
Tim Bonefeld: distance from your projects.

1341
02:42:29.760 --> 02:42:31.290
Andrea Michaelson: Okay appreciate it, thank you.

1342
02:42:34.830 --> 02:42:40.530
Andrea Michaelson: I just it just strange to me that Chris wouldn't have checked before because, would you have gotten a fifth person.

1343
02:42:41.370 --> 02:42:41.940
Tim Bonefeld: can be moving.

1344
02:42:43.740 --> 02:42:44.250
Alix: Sorry.

1345
02:42:44.340 --> 02:42:45.450
Alix: We have to move on.

1346
02:42:46.740 --> 02:42:48.510
Andrea Michaelson: I just had a question but okay.

1347
02:42:48.750 --> 02:42:52.320
Alix: it's fine yeah it is what it is, thank you.

1348
02:42:52.740 --> 02:42:53.160
I.

1349
02:42:57.630 --> 02:42:58.170
Alix: Okay.

1350
02:43:01.590 --> 02:43:02.100
Alix: There we go.

1351
02:43:03.360 --> 02:43:08.610
Alix: Great i'm Chris let's get Chris back on, and then we can go to.

1352
02:43:09.990 --> 02:43:11.310
Alix: The project room key remodel.

1353
02:43:19.770 --> 02:43:21.390
Alix: Does everyone want this read again.

1354
02:43:24.030 --> 02:43:24.570
Michael Jensen: Please, no.

1355
02:43:25.680 --> 02:43:26.250
Alix: what's that.

1356
02:43:29.280 --> 02:43:30.660
Michael Jensen: I don't think we need to read it again.

1357
02:43:30.660 --> 02:43:32.400
Alix: But I don't think we need to read it again.

1358
02:43:32.820 --> 02:43:39.150
Michael Jensen: I think what would be helpful, is to just like either spell out what has changed.

1359
02:43:40.440 --> 02:43:52.380
Alix: In this new one, you know, unfortunately Tracy I told you, I talked to her today she's not she's not here today to talk about the changes to be motion I think what she said what she said to me.

1360
02:43:52.770 --> 02:43:57.780
Alix: was that there was a lot of redundancy and the last motion so she really just tightened it up.

1361
02:43:59.460 --> 02:44:08.880
Alix: I think, maybe what i'll do is i'll share content and i'll put it up on the screen for us to sorry i'm.

1362
02:44:10.950 --> 02:44:13.020
Alix: For us to read.

1363
02:44:17.850 --> 02:44:24.180
Michael Jensen: I can find me so we just continue this to when Tracy can make this meeting that's what we would do this for any other faiths.

1364
02:44:26.310 --> 02:44:28.140
Alix: mean we can for sure.

1365
02:44:29.070 --> 02:44:32.700
Michael Jensen: I will, I will I make the motion to continue it until the applicant.

1366
02:44:34.800 --> 02:44:47.520
Michael Jensen: or yeah the applicant or proponent can present and I would actually just I don't I don't have tracy's contact info but is she able to send a red line document of what exactly changed.

1367
02:44:48.780 --> 02:44:49.890
Alix: I will ask her to do that.

1368
02:44:50.640 --> 02:44:54.570
Michael Jensen: Because I think that will expedite hearing this next time.

1369
02:44:56.070 --> 02:44:56.550
Michael Jensen: Enormous.

1370
02:44:57.420 --> 02:44:57.780
Alix: yeah.

1371
02:44:57.840 --> 02:44:58.950
Alix: I will ask you to do that.

1372
02:45:00.810 --> 02:45:03.720
Alix: All right, Kelly you've made the motion to continue this.

1373
02:45:06.630 --> 02:45:07.440
Alix: TIM your second.

1374
02:45:10.500 --> 02:45:10.830
Chris Zonnas: Okay.

1375
02:45:18.570 --> 02:45:20.190
Alix: i'm Chris.

1376
02:45:21.210 --> 02:45:21.900
Chris Zonnas: Yes.

1377
02:45:23.100 --> 02:45:24.240
Alix: And shout.

1378
02:45:25.740 --> 02:45:26.190
Shepard Stern: Yes.

1379
02:45:26.880 --> 02:45:31.350
Alix: No leaks is yes and i'm going to open it to public comment because lead to.

1380
02:45:33.330 --> 02:45:34.620
Alix: Public comment.

1381
02:45:35.640 --> 02:45:40.440
Alix: Anyone that has any questions or comments great I see two hands up.

1382
02:45:45.690 --> 02:45:46.500
Alix: Mr puppet.

1383
02:45:51.240 --> 02:46:03.840
- Puppet: So that's interesting, so we vote on it first and then we take public comment later yeah that's illegal excellent excellent, this is a new legal Sarah before the Supreme Court.

1384
02:46:05.130 --> 02:46:09.450
- Puppet: So we wanted to hear this, this is the most important thing tonight.

1385
02:46:10.470 --> 02:46:20.100
- Puppet: We want to know that all of the homeless criminals are having a good time at their free hotel, we want to make sure the polls heated.

1386
02:46:20.610 --> 02:46:32.250
- Puppet: We want to make sure they're having poolside service and eating fresh fruits and vegetables, as well as usda prime steak it's all a taxpayer expense.

1387
02:46:32.850 --> 02:46:48.750
- Puppet: For rewarding them for being homeless rewarding people who don't have jobs, who have mental problems and smoke crack steal carburetors steal from the people to put them up in a hotel what a fabulous idea.

1388
02:46:50.190 --> 02:46:55.890
- Puppet: Yes, you humans, the end times are near and that's why puppet said a prayer.

1389
02:46:56.940 --> 02:46:59.490
Alix: Thank you, Mr puppet Robin.

1390
02:47:04.260 --> 02:47:15.060
RobinRudisill: Robin My only concern with continuing is, do we know how time sensitive, this is, and I don't know if there's a way to get Ahold of Tracy or why she wouldn't be here after all this work.

1391
02:47:15.660 --> 02:47:24.090
RobinRudisill: But um yeah and I suppose, if there is some urgency, she can always submit it directly to add calm i'm not sure exactly if that would work but.

1392
02:47:25.020 --> 02:47:36.990
RobinRudisill: that's my only caution and I, I hope you guys aren't mad at me for saying this, but I really enjoy the toughest remarks Thank you pump and I hope you're recording these and make it great I don't know storybooks them day.

1393
02:47:39.030 --> 02:47:40.410
Tim Bonefeld: me Robin we're still on the public.

1394
02:47:43.530 --> 02:47:54.900
Alix: I do, I eat you on the puppet in fact puppet I just came back from living with cows and goats and pigs at the beach, and we were all pretty happy so may you grace and peace.

1395
02:47:55.680 --> 02:48:11.970
Alix: And to answer the question about Tracy Tracy as a fundraiser tonight, and we were trying to find out if there was someone else able to really go through and talk about the revised motion and there wasn't for variety of reasons that I can't really get into here so.

1396
02:48:13.590 --> 02:48:20.910
Alix: yeah that's that's why she's not here, so I know we wanted it to pass, and I think if we put this through at.

1397
02:48:22.140 --> 02:48:25.350
Alix: At the August meeting it'll get on the September board meeting and.

1398
02:48:26.400 --> 02:48:30.510
Alix: It will be an issue and if we need to put it to add come on talk to Jim Tracy.

1399
02:48:31.620 --> 02:48:46.410
Alix: i'm moving on to the rock promotions so there's been a lot of like questions and challenges about these these are rack motions, we can either approve them or deny them but they're so that we can either be a member Council that supports these motions.

1400
02:48:47.610 --> 02:48:59.310
Alix: If we want to make different motions about policies and procedures or specific plan or ghost kitchen or anything else that comes out of Rack, we can certainly do that and other members of the.

1401
02:49:00.630 --> 02:49:07.350
Alix: Of the committee can certainly you know make that decision to come with motions on these, but these have to be.

1402
02:49:07.770 --> 02:49:25.530
Alix: pretty much in line with the Rack Moshe So the first one is the policies and procedures motion which we had a huge debate over so everybody understands this has already been adopted by rack Brentwood del rey mar vista Pacific palisades palms West la such hell.

1403
02:49:27.030 --> 02:49:32.220
Alix: westside neighborhood Council and West would neighborhood Council all supported this motion.

1404
02:49:32.610 --> 02:49:46.530
Alix: And, as I mentioned in our last meeting the motion that came out of Council was not to approve the policies and procedures and then meant, but it was to get a line by line chart of the proposed changes.

1405
02:49:47.160 --> 02:50:00.420
Alix: To be transmitted for consideration and made available to the public for the for the final off ordinance is considered and that's what was passed, not to support the product, excuse me, the policies and procedures motion so.

1406
02:50:02.370 --> 02:50:05.280
Alix: You know i'm going to open this up to to the.

1407
02:50:06.390 --> 02:50:10.770
Alix: Public and then certainly we can have discussion on it, or we can take a vote on it.

1408
02:50:13.830 --> 02:50:15.720
Alix: And I see three hands up.

1409
02:50:18.570 --> 02:50:20.610
Alix: And we will start with.

1410
02:50:22.140 --> 02:50:22.950
Alix: Mr puppet.

1411
02:50:28.980 --> 02:50:40.380
- Puppet: yeah so Brentwood Community Council well they're loaded mar vista Community Council no pretenders know West side neighborhood Council.

1412
02:50:41.040 --> 02:50:51.360
- Puppet: good ones as well, we always want to be on the side of a multi million dollar home Eric a technical amendment 900 pages law.

1413
02:50:52.140 --> 02:51:04.830
- Puppet: Yes, that's good it's like the budget we don't know what's in the bill, so we will vote for this bill and then later we will read the bill exactly yes that's the way it is.

1414
02:51:05.520 --> 02:51:18.870
- Puppet: We like to pass things and write them later and then spend years litigating it in the federal courts so let's hope that the attorneys will break this down for us and tell us what's wrong.

1415
02:51:19.950 --> 02:51:26.880
- Puppet: don't put but unfortunately moves to pass it you snatch yes that's right it's getting late, and I want to eat.

1416
02:51:30.330 --> 02:51:31.440
Alix: Thank you, Mr puppet.

1417
02:51:36.570 --> 02:51:37.830
Alix: Helen sallon.

1418
02:51:44.730 --> 02:51:45.570
Helen Fallon: hi um.

1419
02:51:46.860 --> 02:52:06.540
Helen Fallon: I would urge you to vote to have this the ability to look at all these changes and i'm curious if perhaps you could explain what mar vista and Brentwood modified about the motion because it was passed by the modified and what changes that they recommend.

1420
02:52:07.680 --> 02:52:15.240
Helen Fallon: Particularly since I know that the person who sponsor the motion is on the Mar vista Community Council so i'm curious as to what that difference was.

1421
02:52:15.840 --> 02:52:27.000
Helen Fallon: But otherwise I think it's you know, we need to be looking at things like this, they shouldn't be making changes like this 900 page changes and not allowing the public to have an opportunity to review.

1422
02:52:29.520 --> 02:52:30.270
Alix: Thank you Helen.

1423
02:52:33.300 --> 02:52:33.960
Alix: Robin.

1424
02:52:36.630 --> 02:52:50.640
RobinRudisill: hi Robin nice support this motion, I hope, you'll move it forward to the dnc you know the this ordinance i'm sure most of you looked at it, it was really difficult to review the way they move things around they made it look like they were being.

1425
02:52:51.480 --> 02:53:00.870
RobinRudisill: stricken, but they were really just being moved to another place in the ordinance and it was almost impossible to follow, so I was at that city council hearing and.

1426
02:53:01.350 --> 02:53:10.680
RobinRudisill: we're so appreciative that Council member corrects made the amendment that's described here today for city planning to produce the red line version and.

1427
02:53:11.250 --> 02:53:27.000
RobinRudisill: or line by line chart I should say so and I, and I hope you will move it forward, I know you only have four or five again okay so maybe there's a chance, but if this deadline is in September, it would be great if the vm seek in here at this month, thank you, thanks.

1428
02:53:30.420 --> 02:53:32.790
Alix: And the last car is Eric Moore.

1429
02:53:35.550 --> 02:53:42.840
Erica Moore: hi this is Erica and I to I just think it's a no brainer because look at all everybody who's supporting this this.

1430
02:53:43.470 --> 02:53:48.930
Erica Moore: This is an APP is advantageous for the Community that's what neighborhood Councils and look.

1431
02:53:49.290 --> 02:54:01.680
Erica Moore: we're representing the neighborhood everybody needs to be able to be aware of what's going on, and this is extremely complicated so absolutely please, I support this as well, and I urge you, too, thank you.

1432
02:54:02.430 --> 02:54:03.510
Alix: Thank you Erica.

1433
02:54:06.030 --> 02:54:15.270
Alix: And with that we are closing public comment does anybody on the committee have questions or concerns.

1434
02:54:19.230 --> 02:54:28.170
Shepard Stern: Here and yeah hi ships during here i'm i'm glad we're going to get to vote on this tonight, I certainly hope we pass it.

1435
02:54:29.280 --> 02:54:40.020
Shepard Stern: The last time we tried to vote on it, some members of the committee dropped off deliberately or I don't know why, but we lost our core and then we couldn't move on it either way, which I found to be.

1436
02:54:41.160 --> 02:54:42.330
Shepard Stern: Completely annoying.

1437
02:54:43.560 --> 02:54:56.640
Shepard Stern: I I sincerely hope that when the next loop peck is elected by the new board that the committee is not made up of a voting bloc of architects and developers and realtors have friends there of.

1438
02:54:58.830 --> 02:55:05.520
Shepard Stern: While I welcome the expertise such individuals, I find it to be an outright violation of our.

1439
02:55:05.520 --> 02:55:05.880
ethics.

1440
02:55:06.900 --> 02:55:21.900
Shepard Stern: That we are required to take as public servants that people who make their living by the square foot are voting on matters of square footage at the very least, those people should recuse themselves or abstain from voting on these matters so.

1441
02:55:23.310 --> 02:55:38.400
Shepard Stern: You know we're turning apartments into hotels and hotels into apartments and all the whining that Venice needs more hotels, we don't we need more voice, we need Luca and the neighborhood Council to get some teeth and we don't need to be.

1442
02:55:39.420 --> 02:55:49.350
Shepard Stern: overrun by affection it's not fair this Community we're not Manhattan beach we shouldn't turn into Manhattan beach i'm sorry so we're.

1443
02:55:51.990 --> 02:55:53.880
Shepard Stern: going to make emotion, what do we do now.

1444
02:55:54.240 --> 02:56:06.480
Alix: Thank you, well, I want to see if anyone else has comments and I just want to be very clear with the committee, so if we've out, first of all, this motion is already gone through wrap it would be nice is that US supported this as well.

1445
02:56:08.040 --> 02:56:29.100
Alix: We we we can either say yes or no to this motion and send it to the board with a yes or no, or yes or no vote and the board can make a decision, accordingly, as to what they want to do with this motion as to why or what amendments were made by the neighboring you know neighboring Councils.

1446
02:56:30.300 --> 02:56:44.460
Alix: You know I urge the public that's all up in the records, they can look at that, I believe, with mar vista service to actually put this motion through before it went to went through rock sometimes that happens, and then it went to Iraq.

1447
02:56:47.430 --> 02:56:57.960
Alix: But I don't have those answers we have enough of our hands full dealing with Venice So there you have it does anyone else on the committee, you have questions concerns comments on this motion.

1448
02:56:58.890 --> 02:56:59.310
sure.

1449
02:57:01.980 --> 02:57:02.190
well.

1450
02:57:04.950 --> 02:57:07.980
Michael Jensen: For some reason I lost zoom on my computer, can you hear me.

1451
02:57:08.640 --> 02:57:09.570
Alix: yeah we can hear you.

1452
02:57:10.110 --> 02:57:29.310
Michael Jensen: Okay yeah I mean look my feeling and I scan these 900 pages and yes there's stuff that's moved around there's also a lot of stuff that's deleted, but in principle, one of the things that this does that I like is it removes all of the opportunities to a TEE to appeal.

1453
02:57:31.410 --> 02:57:44.370
Michael Jensen: enlarge by right development and one of the reasons why we, one of the contributing causes to why we have no affordable housing is it's not anywhere near affordable to build so.

1454
02:57:46.260 --> 02:57:53.880
Michael Jensen: You know i'm interested to see what the red line with the amendments looks like but I don't think that we need a six month delay.

1455
02:57:55.020 --> 02:58:14.880
Michael Jensen: To do that, because that delay is only to kick the can down the road and prevent you know construction of new housing affordable or not, and I just think that's a disingenuous request, so I I don't support this motion and that's and that's why.

1456
02:58:17.190 --> 02:58:22.230
Tim Bonefeld: I just want to say a second what you just said, and also, I don't appreciate.

1457
02:58:23.490 --> 02:58:30.240
Tim Bonefeld: The lecture I keep getting from sharp, so I will be able to in no one this morning.

1458
02:58:31.110 --> 02:58:43.050
Shepard Stern: hi this is shift stern I don't I don't appreciate the activity of some members of this committee and past committees, and I also want to say, for once again mchale there is no such thing as by right.

1459
02:58:43.500 --> 02:58:54.900
Shepard Stern: In the coastal zone, so you know you have to you have to support the mass and the scale and the character it's not pick two.

1460
02:58:55.290 --> 02:58:56.280
it's all three.

1461
02:58:57.780 --> 02:58:57.900
Alix: I.

1462
02:59:02.250 --> 02:59:06.960
Michael Jensen: mean it doesn't matter TIM if you told chef the sky blue he would say was read so.

1463
02:59:07.050 --> 02:59:07.410
Okay.

1464
02:59:08.610 --> 02:59:10.410
Shepard Stern: that's not true young you know.

1465
02:59:10.830 --> 02:59:20.700
Alix: All of you stop okay here's the deal, this has, this is not have to do with Dennis, this is a larger.

1466
02:59:21.180 --> 02:59:30.450
Alix: document that applies to all of Los Angeles, it is a complicated debacle document, there is more than just by right projects or removing this.

1467
02:59:30.780 --> 02:59:39.780
Alix: there's a lot of stuff in there and it's not just us that's concerned about this we're dealing it from the West side West side concerns but there.

1468
02:59:40.110 --> 02:59:53.610
Alix: Excuse me Community Councils all over the city that are concerned about this document so that's fine the kale and TIM, I respect your decision not to support this motion, I understand that I think as a as a as a.

1469
02:59:54.690 --> 03:00:06.240
Alix: As a community that wants more transparency from the city, this document is not transparent, it takes power away from the neighborhood Councils and I personally am going to support it, we have the motion on the table.

1470
03:00:07.020 --> 03:00:13.260
Alix: we're going to take a vote and either we can support it or not support it and we can see how the board.

1471
03:00:14.430 --> 03:00:17.700
Alix: votes on it as well too So there you have it.

1472
03:00:18.840 --> 03:00:32.220
Alix: i'm going to call it call the question on this and call vote on it and and, by the way, I should also add that it doesn't matter, it does matter i'd like to support it as a Council, but this is already a rock adopted position.

1473
03:00:34.830 --> 03:00:35.430
Alix: i'm.

1474
03:00:36.840 --> 03:00:37.440
Shepard Stern: A second.

1475
03:00:39.420 --> 03:00:41.010
Alix: Great and.

1476
03:00:45.240 --> 03:00:45.780
Alix: TIM.

1477
03:00:47.160 --> 03:00:47.940
Tim Bonefeld: Oh.

1478
03:00:49.110 --> 03:00:50.790
Alix: And mchale.

1479
03:00:51.300 --> 03:00:51.660
know.

1480
03:00:53.490 --> 03:00:54.240
Alix: Chris.

1481
03:00:54.750 --> 03:00:56.160
Chris Zonnas: yeah i'll go to approve.

1482
03:00:57.240 --> 03:01:00.360
Alix: Great Thank you i'm.

1483
03:01:02.010 --> 03:01:05.580
Alix: Moving on to the specific plan.

1484
03:01:05.970 --> 03:01:08.490
Tim Bonefeld: Moshe who's gonna vote from chip also.

1485
03:01:11.040 --> 03:01:11.400
Alix: shout.

1486
03:01:16.080 --> 03:01:17.760
Alix: shop i'm assuming you're yes.

1487
03:01:17.820 --> 03:01:21.270
Shepard Stern: I am, yes I, yes I second to the motion to.

1488
03:01:22.830 --> 03:01:24.690
Alix: Great i'm.

1489
03:01:26.460 --> 03:01:32.880
Alix: Moving right along same thing with the specific plan specific plan motion and.

1490
03:01:34.110 --> 03:01:47.160
Alix: This is going through different Councils at the moment, if there are slight friendly changes that people think should be made to it that's great, but this is a yet basically a yay or nay have to do we.

1491
03:01:47.550 --> 03:01:56.160
Alix: send this to the board with a vote of no, or do we send this to the board with a vote of yes, currently, this has been passed by a West la sawtelle.

1492
03:01:56.790 --> 03:02:04.140
Alix: West side neighborhood and westwood neighborhood Council says three Councils have already passed it there might be more i'm just not aware of no match.

1493
03:02:09.330 --> 03:02:13.830
Alix: And i'm going to open it up for public comment first and then we can discuss it.

1494
03:02:15.150 --> 03:02:18.630
Alix: So I see one two hands up any others.

1495
03:02:20.520 --> 03:02:23.490
Alix: 1234 great.

1496
03:02:29.340 --> 03:02:31.620
Alix: timer started, Mr puppets.

1497
03:02:35.100 --> 03:02:39.210
- Puppet: Remember, you want to put the move the paragraph that God.

1498
03:02:40.290 --> 03:02:42.900
- Puppet: has to pick up an opening there.

1499
03:02:44.580 --> 03:03:04.950
- Puppet: that's right, yes, so no let's see here, we have our friends at the bellagio beverly CREST they have an ambivalent view towards animals, like me, Lord we love you like palisades yes we like them why well they're very rich and they they just like my.

1500
03:03:06.420 --> 03:03:14.760
- Puppet: Goodness hey it's Mike far more buster hates my father God hates Mike Bonner, and this mother janice hon hates Mike bottom.

1501
03:03:16.260 --> 03:03:34.350
- Puppet: We move for unanimous passage of this bill and look forward to the FBI to have my phone and arrested, if he opposes this motion sucker yes that's right don't fluff it saving Venice, and then we will save the rest of our way after this.

1502
03:03:36.090 --> 03:03:36.840
- Puppet: After I eat.

1503
03:03:39.450 --> 03:03:40.620
Alix: Thank you, Mr puppet.

1504
03:03:46.740 --> 03:03:48.210
Alix: Next is Robin.

1505
03:03:50.190 --> 03:03:54.720
RobinRudisill: Is Robin quickly, I just want you to support this, I hope you will.

1506
03:03:55.890 --> 03:04:09.930
RobinRudisill: Have a specific plan changed up zone open space is outrageous it goes against the grain of what specific plans are for there's to be protecting these neighborhoods in these communities.

1507
03:04:11.130 --> 03:04:20.250
RobinRudisill: And certainly not to be used in this way there to protect the environment, natural resources, etc, so please support this let's tell the city, how we feel.

1508
03:04:21.480 --> 03:04:22.020
Alix: Thank you.

1509
03:04:25.890 --> 03:04:29.190
Alix: And Helen salad is going to be next.

1510
03:04:35.970 --> 03:04:44.400
Helen Fallon: I hope that job you will support this motion and I hope that in supporting it, or when you take before you take the boat, the discussion.

1511
03:04:45.030 --> 03:04:51.660
Helen Fallon: Like we we in the public will have to endure the comments from the abundant housing disciples telling us all how.

1512
03:04:52.140 --> 03:05:09.540
Helen Fallon: About zoning open space and low density residential neighborhoods is going to create affordable housing, no, no it's not it's just going to create more market rate make life impossible for people in Los Angeles, and for families so Ferris the lectures, please vote for this Thank you.

1513
03:05:10.230 --> 03:05:10.950
Alix: Thank you.

1514
03:05:12.390 --> 03:05:17.790
Alix: And our last public comment is Erica more.

1515
03:05:19.680 --> 03:05:30.630
Erica Moore: hi Erica and I just want to I absolutely agree with the caller's prior to me and I do want to do a shout out for goat puppet tonight to.

1516
03:05:31.260 --> 03:05:39.900
Erica Moore: You definitely are on fire, even though I don't always agree with everything you have to say you definitely are bringing the smile to my face and you're pretty hilarious.

1517
03:05:40.770 --> 03:05:50.430
Erica Moore: So thank you so much you guys, I really do hope you'll support this because it is true, we absolutely don't want to be absorbing everything we need our Greens things Thank you so much.

1518
03:05:51.060 --> 03:05:51.840
Alix: Thank you.

1519
03:05:54.150 --> 03:05:57.720
Alix: Closing public comment and.

1520
03:05:58.770 --> 03:05:59.910
Alix: committee members.

1521
03:06:02.010 --> 03:06:04.350
Shepard Stern: yeah hi ship stern yeah.

1522
03:06:05.970 --> 03:06:06.510
Shepard Stern: um.

1523
03:06:07.920 --> 03:06:31.650
Shepard Stern: yeah we're gonna have our our Venice Pacific plan, we have to make sure we uphold all three pillars of it, the mass in the scale or metrics that everybody loves to quote all the time, but we often forget about character or ignore it, so if anything we can do to maintain the specific plan.

1524
03:06:33.120 --> 03:06:35.100
Shepard Stern: i'm all for it, I support this.

1525
03:06:35.610 --> 03:06:41.700
Alix: So I just want to clarify chef because we're seeing this as like a Venice related motion is.

1526
03:06:42.750 --> 03:06:43.200
Alix: This is.

1527
03:06:43.260 --> 03:06:51.660
Alix: This has to do with specific plans, all in all parts of the Rack of all rack number Councils.

1528
03:06:51.780 --> 03:06:52.980
Alix: So it's not.

1529
03:06:53.040 --> 03:06:56.190
Alix: it's not just pertinent to to Venice.

1530
03:06:56.340 --> 03:06:59.970
Shepard Stern: No, but it is it and you can't ignore that part of it.

1531
03:07:01.020 --> 03:07:01.770
Alix: Of course it is.

1532
03:07:02.190 --> 03:07:03.990
Shepard Stern: Right, so I just bring that up.

1533
03:07:04.740 --> 03:07:06.450
Alix: got it anyone else.

1534
03:07:08.310 --> 03:07:13.740
Michael Jensen: yeah I mean i'm sorry, how long i'm gonna I can't spare the lecture so.

1535
03:07:14.970 --> 03:07:21.000
Michael Jensen: And I got into this, the last time this came up where the first sentence of this motion simply reads.

1536
03:07:21.540 --> 03:07:36.810
Michael Jensen: The dnc opposes the city's uses specific plans that would result in up zoning open space or low density residential neighborhoods that is a much broader category of things than the you know what is.

1537
03:07:39.030 --> 03:07:47.460
Michael Jensen: purportedly the intent of this motion, which is to identify these three projects in the West side that that sort of got the attention of.

1538
03:07:47.970 --> 03:08:07.680
Michael Jensen: The proponents of this motion and I just think that that the purpose of a specific plan is long term planning long term planning needs may call for intensification of areas in the in the neighborhood that's up zoning and.

1539
03:08:08.790 --> 03:08:19.950
Michael Jensen: The in the regular course of updating specific plans zones are going to increase, and this is just a way broader motion than everybody is pretending it is.

1540
03:08:20.400 --> 03:08:36.390
Michael Jensen: And for that reason I just don't support it, if you want to talk about using specific plans amending specific plans for projects to be compliant Okay, I support that but that's not what this motion says.

1541
03:08:38.460 --> 03:08:46.050
Tim Bonefeld: yeah I just want to say that, and I want to say that I would love to see awkward up zone to it's historically.

1542
03:08:47.910 --> 03:08:56.400
Tim Bonefeld: Stoning which alpha more than two two units on a piece of property norwood and also.

1543
03:08:58.830 --> 03:09:06.180
Tim Bonefeld: West of application to the five six song that we used to have is west of African man.

1544
03:09:09.030 --> 03:09:16.020
Alix: And i'm going to argue differently that zone changing should be done through the Community plan and the LCP and not the specific plans.

1545
03:09:16.410 --> 03:09:16.920
Shepard Stern: I agree.

1546
03:09:18.240 --> 03:09:19.950
Shepard Stern: I agree, I was going to say that to.

1547
03:09:26.130 --> 03:09:27.060
Alix: anyone else.

1548
03:09:29.010 --> 03:09:40.260
Shepard Stern: I was just going to say you know if you're going to increase density without increase without supporting the infrastructure to support the density if you're going to have a disaster, so you can just start building.

1549
03:09:40.890 --> 03:09:53.700
Shepard Stern: More units on on lots without fixing the infrastructure, first, how are we going to get water and plumbing and electricity to all these people you can't this is this is doing it backwards also so think about that.

1550
03:09:53.730 --> 03:09:56.580
Michael Jensen: Well, what do you I mean what do you think pays for the infrastructure.

1551
03:09:58.380 --> 03:09:58.770
Shepard Stern: But that's.

1552
03:09:59.220 --> 03:09:59.850
Michael Jensen: Tax revenue.

1553
03:09:59.940 --> 03:10:04.050
Shepard Stern: But mchale that it's backwards that's doing it backwards, you can't have.

1554
03:10:06.480 --> 03:10:14.130
Alix: respectfully we like lake Mead is that, like almost empty our water pipes are running at like.

1555
03:10:15.360 --> 03:10:32.700
Alix: You know, bad capacity, our sewers are running a bad capacity, like we've had runaway development and we've had no improvement or changes to the infrastructure So where is this taxpayer revenue going to pay for this infrastructure that we need.

1556
03:10:32.970 --> 03:10:34.860
Tim Bonefeld: that's that's raised the price of water.

1557
03:10:36.240 --> 03:10:52.290
Alix: You know and and TIM to your point about oakland like, if you want to see oakland up zone or if the people of awkward want to see up open up zone, then that should be done in the Community plan and the LCP process, not through a specific plan amendment.

1558
03:10:58.980 --> 03:10:59.940
Tim Bonefeld: This one so that's.

1559
03:11:00.210 --> 03:11:00.750
Alix: that's fine.

1560
03:11:05.580 --> 03:11:06.060
Alix: i'm.

1561
03:11:07.650 --> 03:11:10.200
Alix: Okay we're gonna call Chris do you have anything to say on this.

1562
03:11:10.350 --> 03:11:14.910
Chris Zonnas: I mean I don't like the way it's worded honestly it's a little bit overreaching to me.

1563
03:11:15.720 --> 03:11:29.910
Chris Zonnas: But I do agree, I don't think open space for sure, should be up so we don't have enough event and you got to preserve what little we have low density, you know that's sort of section to section with me and you bring up good points about where that should be altered, I mean.

1564
03:11:32.040 --> 03:11:35.490
Chris Zonnas: So i'm leaning just i'm leaning toward.

1565
03:11:36.930 --> 03:11:45.300
Chris Zonnas: Approving because I agree with the general sentiment, but I, I do think the language is just kind of a maybe not realistic right.

1566
03:11:45.450 --> 03:11:55.440
Alix: Well, just so you know this conversation that was had at rap really We understand that the purpose of this motion that went through rack and there were a lot of discussions about it.

1567
03:11:55.650 --> 03:12:12.330
Alix: Was it was really more a political motion because of things like reese Davidson because of things like the burger and institute because of things like the there's another project in the district I can't remember in the CD 11 I can't remember what it is, but they're all basically.

1568
03:12:13.380 --> 03:12:18.450
Alix: they're basically changing open space, the burger and institute in a fire hazards those.

1569
03:12:19.230 --> 03:12:32.580
Alix: The reese Davidson project in a in a flood zone, and that was really the intent of this motion and because it's raw we couldn't name specific projects that those were that's what it grew out of but anyway.

1570
03:12:32.640 --> 03:12:48.960
Michael Jensen: we're also doing that, through a general plan amendment it's not just like they're using the specific plan, so the The thing that I would just like to point out is the net if we want to use those three cases, the example the.

1571
03:12:50.010 --> 03:12:50.370
Michael Jensen: The.

1572
03:12:51.600 --> 03:13:03.990
Michael Jensen: The parameters of that should be doing general plan amendments and specific plan amendments to accommodate a project that otherwise doesn't fit it.

1573
03:13:04.410 --> 03:13:08.580
Michael Jensen: Because that's what that's what's going on but that's how what this motion says this motion.

1574
03:13:08.970 --> 03:13:17.820
Michael Jensen: is basically another way of the same you know group of people who want to preserve their single family homes that they've had for.

1575
03:13:18.090 --> 03:13:25.860
Michael Jensen: 30 years and, by the way, the reason we're starved with tax revenue is prop 13 because those people pay like $1,000 a year in tax revenue.

1576
03:13:26.490 --> 03:13:39.810
Michael Jensen: But that's a whole separate issue and but that's the point here like this motion if it's if what you're saying is the purpose of it, then it should be tech narrowly tailored to that.

1577
03:13:41.970 --> 03:13:43.740
Michael Jensen: To that situation and that's.

1578
03:13:44.040 --> 03:14:02.940
Alix: That would be that would be a friendly amendment to this mchale that that i'm I think we could we could make a friendly amendment to that to really more clearly convey the nature of of what this motion was trying to do that would still fall into what this motion is trying to accomplish.

1579
03:14:03.480 --> 03:14:05.340
Tim Bonefeld: When you say at one point of Rack.

1580
03:14:06.210 --> 03:14:08.490
Michael Jensen: So we can amend these things, this is up or down.

1581
03:14:08.520 --> 03:14:27.360
Alix: We can we can we can do a slight modification if it keeps to the general to the general tenure of the motion, but we can't totally make an amendment that's that's out of out of line with the original motion, so we want to tighten it up, and we can say opposes.

1582
03:14:28.440 --> 03:14:31.620
Alix: general plan amendments that will.

1583
03:14:33.330 --> 03:14:34.260
Alix: That will.

1584
03:14:35.490 --> 03:14:36.090
Michael Jensen: That will.

1585
03:14:36.510 --> 03:14:38.880
Michael Jensen: Sorry, let me let you let me let you finish a.

1586
03:14:38.880 --> 03:14:39.690
Alix: stoke go.

1587
03:14:39.840 --> 03:14:48.570
Michael Jensen: Was it's not that it's just like amendments that will result in episode it's amendments that are used to.

1588
03:14:51.960 --> 03:14:56.520
Michael Jensen: To to bring a project and compliance that otherwise is not.

1589
03:14:57.240 --> 03:14:57.510
Michael Jensen: well.

1590
03:14:57.540 --> 03:14:58.500
Alix: And that's exactly.

1591
03:15:00.150 --> 03:15:00.750
Alix: Sorry going.

1592
03:15:01.260 --> 03:15:10.620
Michael Jensen: Well, no, I mean and that's just nowhere in this motion, and so the friendly amendment is going to alter like everything except for.

1593
03:15:24.180 --> 03:15:27.810
Michael Jensen: I mean it's going to alter every sentence I don't know how how that's a friendly amendment.

1594
03:15:28.710 --> 03:15:29.280
Alix: Well, I mean.

1595
03:15:29.460 --> 03:15:38.580
Michael Jensen: Basically, an attack on opposes the city's misuse of general plan amendments Community plan amendments specific plan amendments.

1596
03:15:40.740 --> 03:15:43.170
Michael Jensen: To allow a project.

1597
03:15:44.400 --> 03:15:49.470
Michael Jensen: With us to accommodate a project that otherwise does not meet.

1598
03:15:50.970 --> 03:15:52.500
Michael Jensen: The land you standards.

1599
03:15:54.360 --> 03:16:02.040
Michael Jensen: The misuse of those same three plan amendments in this manner, create significant negative impacts.

1600
03:16:03.630 --> 03:16:06.300
Michael Jensen: For all residential and commercial resources.

1601
03:16:10.050 --> 03:16:11.070
Michael Jensen: The use of specific.

1602
03:16:13.050 --> 03:16:29.970
Michael Jensen: By mean they use in this manner, without adequate you know sequel review etc potentially create significant negative impacts for all residential communities, the environment, natural resources, we urge the city council members to.

1603
03:16:31.980 --> 03:16:49.920
Michael Jensen: reject land use applications for individual, I think, to reject general plan amendments Community plan amendments and specific plan amendments that are used by applicants are used for development projects that don't fit the existing land use standards.

1604
03:16:51.780 --> 03:16:56.340
Shepard Stern: me I asked what's wrong with what it says that it says it's so much clearer than what you just said, it says.

1605
03:16:57.480 --> 03:16:59.010
Michael Jensen: What it says, right here.

1606
03:16:59.340 --> 03:17:01.410
Michael Jensen: Is that you can never up zone.

1607
03:17:02.580 --> 03:17:09.600
Michael Jensen: Anything open space or low residential even if that's part of a broader.

1608
03:17:11.100 --> 03:17:17.880
Michael Jensen: You know long term city plan of you know accommodating population growth so.

1609
03:17:19.050 --> 03:17:27.120
Michael Jensen: that's the, this is not the narrow little motion targeting three things, this is a preserve my.

1610
03:17:29.220 --> 03:17:31.710
Michael Jensen: preserve my single family paradise motion.

1611
03:17:31.740 --> 03:17:33.480
Alix: that's that's not what this motion is.

1612
03:17:33.480 --> 03:17:34.980
Shepard Stern: About it's not good, no.

1613
03:17:35.460 --> 03:17:47.640
Alix: I agree that we can hold on a second, let me ask you something what if, instead of we we changed, we took out low density residential neighborhoods and left it as up zoning open space.

1614
03:17:51.120 --> 03:17:54.420
Tim Bonefeld: I honestly I finish your thought on it, the way it is and and so.

1615
03:17:54.510 --> 03:17:59.730
Michael Jensen: I think just do it up or down vote I mean look we're spinning into the wind anyway here so.

1616
03:18:01.500 --> 03:18:11.100
Michael Jensen: let's just put it to a vote i'm just saying the language I would I would choose, for this would be narrowly tailored to achieve the purpose and because this is much broader.

1617
03:18:16.560 --> 03:18:28.530
Alix: Okay, I mean i'm open to i'm open to work on it, I think that there are things that we could do that would still support this motion in its in its assets that could potentially.

1618
03:18:30.480 --> 03:18:36.660
Alix: tighten up the language, but if you want to just yay or nay at and call the question and i'm happy to do that as well to.

1619
03:18:37.950 --> 03:18:39.510
Michael Jensen: call the question, please.

1620
03:18:40.170 --> 03:18:44.880
Alix: call the question great and i'll make the motion who second doing it.

1621
03:18:45.810 --> 03:18:47.490
Shepard Stern: I will ship station.

1622
03:18:47.790 --> 03:18:49.920
Alix: Thank you chef TIM.

1623
03:18:49.950 --> 03:18:51.240
I guess your know correct.

1624
03:18:52.320 --> 03:18:53.820
Alix: And Mikhail you're a now.

1625
03:18:54.240 --> 03:19:01.890
Michael Jensen: i'ma know but i'd like to record to reflect there's a better motion out there that we could bring back if it wasn't we weren't in the narrow constraints of Rack.

1626
03:19:02.790 --> 03:19:10.410
Chris Zonnas: mean, can we not make a motion just get rid of low density residential neighborhoods from that line and that's it it just up zoning open space.

1627
03:19:12.930 --> 03:19:14.250
Alix: I mean that's what I suppose.

1628
03:19:15.840 --> 03:19:16.920
Shepard Stern: emotion and we.

1629
03:19:18.120 --> 03:19:18.780
Michael Jensen: Already wrote.

1630
03:19:20.100 --> 03:19:20.670
Alix: Chris.

1631
03:19:24.720 --> 03:19:26.520
Chris Zonnas: On the on the current motion.

1632
03:19:28.260 --> 03:19:28.650
Alix: yeah.

1633
03:19:30.180 --> 03:19:33.360
Chris Zonnas: Does that mean we can't do a new motion after this.

1634
03:19:35.190 --> 03:19:35.460
Shepard Stern: well.

1635
03:19:35.790 --> 03:19:36.690
Tim Bonefeld: that's what it means.

1636
03:19:39.090 --> 03:19:40.410
Chris Zonnas: i'm okay with.

1637
03:19:41.670 --> 03:19:43.710
Chris Zonnas: That i'm just the i'll go along with yes.

1638
03:19:44.730 --> 03:20:03.180
Alix: Great Thank you and then our last our last rack motion is cloud kitchens, this has been passed by bellaire Brentwood Pacific palisades westside and westwood's so 1235 of them has been passed um.

1639
03:20:05.280 --> 03:20:16.080
Alix: it's really to get a clarification on what goes to kitchens our our I will open this up to the public for comments I see one hand up.

1640
03:20:20.340 --> 03:20:21.750
Alix: I see three hands up.

1641
03:20:26.460 --> 03:20:29.370
Alix: Great we're gonna open it up for public comment, Mr puppet.

1642
03:20:36.300 --> 03:20:37.320
- Puppet: ghost kitchen.

1643
03:20:38.820 --> 03:20:40.950
- Puppet: sounds very, very scary.

1644
03:20:43.980 --> 03:20:54.600
- Puppet: Yes, so we urge city council members to reject the land use applications for these misuses of the ghost kitchen.

1645
03:20:55.710 --> 03:21:06.900
- Puppet: Yes, yes Mike barn likes goes kitchen and Mike fun and wants every house to have any legal ghost catches that's why you have to sign the recall petition.

1646
03:21:07.410 --> 03:21:22.800
- Puppet: because everybody hates Mike button and everybody hates ghost catches I suck yes, except, they should be open only on one day Halloween that's it the rest of the year close all goes kitchen.

1647
03:21:24.600 --> 03:21:24.990
- Puppet: Second.

1648
03:21:28.080 --> 03:21:28.650
Alix: Thank you, Mr.

1649
03:21:34.950 --> 03:21:36.720
Alix: And Erica more.

1650
03:21:38.760 --> 03:21:47.040
Erica Moore: I this is Erica i'm you know i've got two comments about this because, as you know, or, as I think you might know, I have a commercial kitchen and.

1651
03:21:47.550 --> 03:21:56.190
Erica Moore: The concern I have about ghosts kitchens is just simply this i'm wondering what they're what they're requiring or as far as far as certification.

1652
03:21:56.910 --> 03:22:06.450
Erica Moore: licensing regulations, because for someone like me who has to pay $4,000 a year for my health license and I have to comply with lots of regulations and rules.

1653
03:22:06.780 --> 03:22:13.050
Erica Moore: i'm wondering when they bring in additional people if they're requiring them to hold that separately, because they.

1654
03:22:13.350 --> 03:22:19.980
Erica Moore: They enforce a bunch of laws, where we weren't allowed to do that anymore, because i've had lots of tenants and things like that myself over the years.

1655
03:22:20.400 --> 03:22:30.960
Erica Moore: And the compliance, it seems as being negated and so that is kind of questionable and they're also art issues, sometimes, depending on the location of the set kitchen.

1656
03:22:31.470 --> 03:22:41.610
Erica Moore: For the neighborhood because you're talking about it could include quite a few more delivery trucks quite a bit more trash and a lot more activity physically with just people coming in and out working.

1657
03:22:42.090 --> 03:22:57.450
Erica Moore: I personally have a small business, and I think it's important for people to be able to band together to save costs, but I don't think it's fair to those are being held to strict regulation, so I think there needs to be a balance i'm not really sure how they're how they're handling.

1658
03:22:58.200 --> 03:23:08.940
Alix: Things so Erica and then i'm going to go to the next public comment, I think the rap motion and it probably should go even further than what this one does is to.

1659
03:23:09.780 --> 03:23:22.230
Alix: is to to really define what goes kitchens are and what the classifications are and how the city is going to to look at these and the impact that they have anywhere last public comment is Helen felon.

1660
03:23:25.590 --> 03:23:29.310
Helen Fallon: On um you know I support what Erica was saying, and I think that.

1661
03:23:30.600 --> 03:23:31.950
Helen Fallon: it's important for.

1662
03:23:33.360 --> 03:23:41.460
Helen Fallon: The this to be clarified it's not unreasonable demand by neighborhoods to say hey we want, we want this clarified it's a new type of.

1663
03:23:42.870 --> 03:23:52.170
Helen Fallon: business model and let's make sure we're clear as to what's allowed and what isn't allowed here so to support for.

1664
03:23:52.920 --> 03:23:54.030
Alix: Thank you Helen.

1665
03:23:55.860 --> 03:24:01.770
Alix: And with that we are closing public comment um does anyone in the committee have any questions.

1666
03:24:03.960 --> 03:24:05.190
Alix: or comments.

1667
03:24:05.460 --> 03:24:07.710
Michael Jensen: i'm sure I mean, I think.

1668
03:24:09.540 --> 03:24:09.900
Michael Jensen: You know.

1669
03:24:11.190 --> 03:24:13.380
Michael Jensen: I think I think a lot of restaurants.

1670
03:24:15.390 --> 03:24:21.750
Michael Jensen: became ghost kitchens in over last year when they were forced to close and it was probably.

1671
03:24:23.520 --> 03:24:24.780
Michael Jensen: A life saving.

1672
03:24:26.850 --> 03:24:34.950
Michael Jensen: Business alternative and I I can't in my mind imagine why we would treat a ghost kitchen any different than a commercial kitchen.

1673
03:24:36.330 --> 03:24:40.890
Michael Jensen: Other than it just being yet another obstacle for small businesses to try and.

1674
03:24:42.300 --> 03:24:44.460
Michael Jensen: You know, start which.

1675
03:24:45.570 --> 03:24:56.580
Michael Jensen: You know I think it's difficult enough in the restaurant industry and every ghost kitchen i've ever heard of has been out of a commercial kitchen, that was a restaurant or a catering business.

1676
03:24:58.530 --> 03:25:04.020
Michael Jensen: And so I don't think I don't know why we're inventing a brand new.

1677
03:25:05.820 --> 03:25:08.100
Michael Jensen: Business for something that already exists.

1678
03:25:09.420 --> 03:25:10.440
Michael Jensen: that's just my thought.

1679
03:25:10.950 --> 03:25:20.100
Alix: So mchale that's actually not accurate and I believe Eric second this a restaurant operating as a kitchen.

1680
03:25:20.910 --> 03:25:34.560
Alix: It already has its kitchen and its ability to operate what you're seeing our capabilities with maybe, four, five or six different kitchens being created right that that that aren't restaurants that aren't.

1681
03:25:35.940 --> 03:25:48.720
Alix: You know, existing businesses and they're sort of operating in this Gray area, and there is an impact on infrastructure, nobody wants to see restaurants, small businesses business owners hurt.

1682
03:25:51.000 --> 03:26:04.620
Alix: This is that this is a, this is a new thing that that's been popping up with the increase in in delivery service and I, and I, and I don't think what I heard in the different meetings is that nobody wants to see these necessarily.

1683
03:26:05.940 --> 03:26:16.890
Alix: what's the right word, no one wants to see like businesses shut down, but if you're going to have like an intensification of us on the infrastructure of power of gas delivery trucks.

1684
03:26:17.100 --> 03:26:23.730
Alix: etc, etc, like we should at least have some standards and understand what these are and define them, and I think that.

1685
03:26:24.300 --> 03:26:25.710
Michael Jensen: that's what i'm saying the standards.

1686
03:26:25.770 --> 03:26:27.210
Michael Jensen: are a commercial kitchen.

1687
03:26:28.140 --> 03:26:29.070
Alix: But they're not.

1688
03:26:32.850 --> 03:26:34.290
Michael Jensen: What do you mean the bus or not.

1689
03:26:36.510 --> 03:26:37.890
Alix: What do you mean they're not they're not.

1690
03:26:37.890 --> 03:26:38.340
Operating.

1691
03:26:39.780 --> 03:26:40.350
Chris Zonnas: that's what.

1692
03:26:41.340 --> 03:26:42.600
Alix: You that's crap yeah.

1693
03:26:43.530 --> 03:26:51.060
Michael Jensen: But I mean some restaurants don't operate with proper permits as a as a you know I mean not forget the one on the circle that has been there for years, but like.

1694
03:26:52.320 --> 03:26:59.520
Michael Jensen: But the standard is already there i'm saying like what cloud kitchen is a commercial kitchen at full stop.

1695
03:27:01.980 --> 03:27:03.870
Alix: No it's not.

1696
03:27:07.530 --> 03:27:13.950
Alix: Some are being used commercially some are being used retail summer like that they're they're not.

1697
03:27:15.540 --> 03:27:20.760
Chris Zonnas: look like a guy from this, they are commercial kitchens is just what we're seeing now is.

1698
03:27:21.360 --> 03:27:32.880
Chris Zonnas: You know, multiple kitchens in one space that are serving like nine or 10 restaurants, as we know, and you have a big increase in traffic, I mean, but it is a commercial kitchen it's just the volume is a lot higher.

1699
03:27:33.870 --> 03:27:36.420
Michael Jensen: But I mean the volume doesn't see.

1700
03:27:38.310 --> 03:27:52.410
Michael Jensen: You know it doesn't see see people, so if you think about like Okay, so the like, if you had to park a restaurant and you have to do one space for 50 people a commercial kitchen and you know and then.

1701
03:27:53.910 --> 03:27:59.880
Michael Jensen: A commercial kitchen that has no dining for or has no service floor area has.

1702
03:28:00.990 --> 03:28:21.420
Michael Jensen: Ostensibly a bunch of I mean less than 10 to use, then I mean sure there's like the drivers coming and going but, honestly, that is, I I think much less intense use than a restaurant that's eating people and has you know 1015 cars and our coming in.

1703
03:28:21.990 --> 03:28:34.560
Alix: But not at all mchale because a commercial kitchen is licensed and there are rules and regulations is how many people can be there and bathrooms and all those other things you could put like.

1704
03:28:34.950 --> 03:28:49.920
Alix: You know, seven pitches into a big space with you know very heat and energy intensive refrigeration and ovens and water usage right forgot the cars and everything else, and what is the impact.

1705
03:28:49.980 --> 03:28:50.790
Michael Jensen: On the Community.

1706
03:28:50.880 --> 03:28:54.420
Michael Jensen: What i'm saying is the standard for that kitchen is a commercial kitchen.

1707
03:28:55.260 --> 03:29:02.400
Tim Bonefeld: And it should be should be applied Ada you should be apply all the standards, I don't I don't know I agree it's a commercial kitchen.

1708
03:29:02.940 --> 03:29:09.810
Alix: But they're not but they're not applying the standard is this is, this is the issue, these are these are basically so now you have commercial kitchens.

1709
03:29:10.110 --> 03:29:20.220
Alix: Okay, as to like what they can and can't apply for what they can do in their space right and how they can fit in but the ghost kitchens in the cloud kitchens are basically.

1710
03:29:21.270 --> 03:29:26.760
Alix: operating in sort of a Gray area, with no application for anything there's if there's.

1711
03:29:27.120 --> 03:29:29.160
Michael Jensen: that's that's what we're saying ELISE.

1712
03:29:29.190 --> 03:29:36.840
Michael Jensen: Is that they're the type of permit or entitlement that they should have is a commercial kitchen.

1713
03:29:39.900 --> 03:29:44.550
Alix: But then, all this is asking for is like identify criteria for like.

1714
03:29:45.150 --> 03:29:59.100
Alix: Like what this should be and what the potential impact should be and it's actually a bit different from a commercial kitchen because you're like having potentially 789 10 commercial kitchens in one space right has an impact on a Community.

1715
03:29:59.310 --> 03:30:01.620
Tim Bonefeld: But what's the difference having.

1716
03:30:02.400 --> 03:30:03.570
Michael Jensen: Your nine restaurants.

1717
03:30:04.590 --> 03:30:05.130
On Lincoln.

1718
03:30:07.890 --> 03:30:14.670
Alix: you're gonna have you're gonna have odors you're going to have traffic you're gonna have loading you're going to have trash you're gonna have water.

1719
03:30:14.670 --> 03:30:16.440
Michael Jensen: You would you would you would have the same.

1720
03:30:16.500 --> 03:30:18.090
Michael Jensen: If you had a restaurant kitchen.

1721
03:30:18.690 --> 03:30:22.800
Tim Bonefeld: drive down it don Lincoln there's 45 fast food.

1722
03:30:23.820 --> 03:30:26.970
Alix: store, but every one of them has to get a separate license with.

1723
03:30:26.970 --> 03:30:29.910
Alix: Separate criteria cloud kitchen doesn't have to do that right.

1724
03:30:30.360 --> 03:30:31.890
Tim Bonefeld: Every business in there should.

1725
03:30:32.100 --> 03:30:40.860
Tim Bonefeld: would have a business permit from the city and health department permit for the for the unit and for ability, you know Ada for.

1726
03:30:41.910 --> 03:30:43.110
Tim Bonefeld: I don't.

1727
03:30:43.170 --> 03:30:44.070
Chris Zonnas: I don't get the leads.

1728
03:30:44.670 --> 03:30:45.780
Chris Zonnas: Are you trying to say that there's.

1729
03:30:46.350 --> 03:30:52.440
Chris Zonnas: cloud kitchens right now that are operating they didn't have to get permission I don't have any rules put on them.

1730
03:30:53.760 --> 03:30:54.420
Chris Zonnas: But then.

1731
03:30:56.340 --> 03:30:57.930
Michael Jensen: they're running they're they're running.

1732
03:30:58.410 --> 03:30:59.310
Chris Zonnas: Your business, then.

1733
03:30:59.550 --> 03:31:00.660
Michael Jensen: and illegal business.

1734
03:31:00.720 --> 03:31:01.980
Chris Zonnas: yeah because.

1735
03:31:02.550 --> 03:31:06.780
Chris Zonnas: because their cloud kitchen doesn't mean to get around the commercial kitchen zoning or any of those rules.

1736
03:31:08.070 --> 03:31:09.960
Chris Zonnas: they're just running the legal business I guess.

1737
03:31:11.130 --> 03:31:19.500
Alix: Because there there's essentially I mean there's no real like standards for them at the time being, this is just asked me to have standards.

1738
03:31:19.530 --> 03:31:19.860
So that.

1739
03:31:20.880 --> 03:31:23.640
Michael Jensen: The standards exist there are for commercial kitchen.

1740
03:31:25.890 --> 03:31:30.990
Alix: For one commercial kitchen not seven in one space.

1741
03:31:31.470 --> 03:31:31.860
But.

1742
03:31:33.690 --> 03:31:40.380
Michael Jensen: But you're talking about seven you're talking about one kitchen that serves as seven different.

1743
03:31:40.560 --> 03:31:47.250
Alix: Know we're talking about seven kitchens operating under one commercial license.

1744
03:31:47.370 --> 03:31:53.970
Shepard Stern: And this is exactly why we're asking them to define a ghost kitchen we don't we want, we want.

1745
03:31:55.170 --> 03:31:55.950
Shepard Stern: parameters.

1746
03:31:57.960 --> 03:32:06.570
Michael Jensen: so hard so someone builds someone builds out a space and puts seven full kitchens in it.

1747
03:32:08.730 --> 03:32:13.080
Michael Jensen: And they operate as a ghost kitchen as one thing.

1748
03:32:15.030 --> 03:32:15.360
Michael Jensen: and

1749
03:32:15.390 --> 03:32:18.120
Michael Jensen: Say you're not all getting health inspections.

1750
03:32:22.470 --> 03:32:23.250
Alix: I don't know how.

1751
03:32:23.580 --> 03:32:26.160
Chris Zonnas: About that part either, but there are examples of like some you.

1752
03:32:26.160 --> 03:32:34.350
Chris Zonnas: Know warehouse space is being turned in these massive kitchens i'm assuming that they're you know they've got their normal zoning commercial kitchen.

1753
03:32:34.710 --> 03:32:36.600
Alix: Regular i'm going to actually.

1754
03:32:36.810 --> 03:32:49.530
Alix: i'm going to actually put Erica back on because Erica really, really understand can really talk through the differences of this because she's in it and i'm clearly not making sense to you people, so let me.

1755
03:32:52.140 --> 03:32:53.010
Alix: Why don't you add.

1756
03:32:53.070 --> 03:32:54.600
Alix: Some Chi you guys.

1757
03:32:55.800 --> 03:33:06.690
Erica Moore: Okay, just to clarify what is happening is it Okay, you have a commercial kitchen the kitchen is licensed under the person who has the kitchen.

1758
03:33:07.170 --> 03:33:17.910
Erica Moore: When you bring in additional people, whether it's a sub rent or or a quote unquote bills kitchen meaning another business that's operating with you in your commercial space.

1759
03:33:18.270 --> 03:33:22.560
Erica Moore: They have to be fully licensed in your space separately.

1760
03:33:23.370 --> 03:33:38.670
Erica Moore: To do that, they have to comply with certain rules like you're you have to have a certain amount of bathroom space, because you can't just bring in however many people you want to frank in the space, so the problem is, is that when you have.

1761
03:33:39.090 --> 03:33:40.680
Tim Bonefeld: several different entities.

1762
03:33:40.710 --> 03:33:46.980
Erica Moore: coming into one kitchen that's really not happening because there's a loophole that a lot of people are using.

1763
03:33:47.370 --> 03:33:54.060
Erica Moore: And that loophole is, if you pretend that you're operating under the one person who has the license.

1764
03:33:54.630 --> 03:34:00.480
Erica Moore: Then quote unquote you don't have to have a license but that's not realistic, with the way it's being applied now.

1765
03:34:01.230 --> 03:34:09.510
Erica Moore: Because what used to happen is like, for instance, if somebody wants to produce a food bag for the farmers market, they have to produce it in a commercial kitchen.

1766
03:34:09.960 --> 03:34:17.910
Erica Moore: Most people don't want to pay to have a commercial kitchen so they'll come to someone like me and say, I want to produce my product so then.

1767
03:34:18.930 --> 03:34:29.430
Erica Moore: I will quote unquote produce their product, but really they're doing it here that way they can have a certification from the county The truth is, they don't have their own license.

1768
03:34:30.180 --> 03:34:39.780
Erica Moore: And and there and it's a limit it's limited but for something like a ghost gets into production level is so much higher and that's why this really needs to be reevaluated because.

1769
03:34:40.140 --> 03:34:51.900
Erica Moore: They don't have the proper licensing and you get into things like liability for food illnesses and things like that, because a lot of cross contamination can happen when you have that many people in one space.

1770
03:34:54.360 --> 03:35:04.020
Michael Jensen: Okay, so I appreciate that clarification, but I still I mean, so what we're doing is trying to create new laws for people who are already breaking them.

1771
03:35:05.790 --> 03:35:15.900
Erica Moore: know what it is, is this, they will agree, evaluate the laws, the way it's written for how commercial spaces are used for commercial kitchen because, for instance.

1772
03:35:16.380 --> 03:35:22.830
Erica Moore: It used to be that you couldn't have multiple people in one kitchen and like when I started my business.

1773
03:35:23.730 --> 03:35:31.590
Erica Moore: They literally came in and it was like I was a sub renter and they said okay where's your things because again you're not gonna have all of your stuff scored separately.

1774
03:35:31.860 --> 03:35:46.830
Erica Moore: From the other person in the space, because they have to be able to monitor that your items are safe, because you're talking about consumption and people can get sick, so what happened is there was an issue where people were violating that there were a lot of.

1775
03:35:47.850 --> 03:35:54.720
Erica Moore: There were some illnesses that have Mrs many years ago, four years ago, so they became really stringent on how they allow.

1776
03:35:55.080 --> 03:36:00.000
Erica Moore: Commercial space for kitchens, to be used, because there was cross contamination people were getting sick.

1777
03:36:00.450 --> 03:36:08.160
Erica Moore: So they kind of got a little extreme so now with the situation with coven, and all this that people needing to merge together because.

1778
03:36:08.730 --> 03:36:12.180
Erica Moore: let's face it it's very expensive to have a commercial kitchen.

1779
03:36:12.630 --> 03:36:27.000
Erica Moore: And a lot of people they can't bear the brunt of the overhead so they need to really about re evaluate the way that they're licensee the space because it's not fair to people who are paying those inflated fees and and responsible.

1780
03:36:27.540 --> 03:36:39.660
Erica Moore: For the space, because ultimately those other entities that would be in here like those 40 people in here again this stuff is not being stored really separately and things like that you don't know who's really gonna make somebody sick.

1781
03:36:40.170 --> 03:36:41.070
Michael Jensen: or you're saying those.

1782
03:36:41.160 --> 03:36:48.210
Michael Jensen: But those are Erica sorry sorry to cut you off, but you, you were just saying that those are currently they are already rules.

1783
03:36:49.110 --> 03:36:58.530
Erica Moore: Well yeah against the law for that goes to be operating the way they are, it really is what they're doing is against the law, but the problem is nobody could really enforce that because you know the.

1784
03:36:58.920 --> 03:37:11.790
Erica Moore: county the way that the health inspectors all right now is there let's put it this way, my normal inspection with a year and a half it's supposed to be every six months and it's because they were sorted with Kobe you know they can't.

1785
03:37:11.820 --> 03:37:22.260
Alix: Explain it Eric I started off with the larger problem is is that the ghost kitchens, have not that the ghost kitchens, have not been fully defined and and they're being used different ways.

1786
03:37:22.350 --> 03:37:26.490
Tim Bonefeld: And so what this sounds like a health department issue, not an end user issue.

1787
03:37:27.000 --> 03:37:30.150
Alix: No issue because of the infrastructure.

1788
03:37:31.110 --> 03:37:34.860
Erica Moore: Now, because you're on your you know you are offering it, you know.

1789
03:37:34.890 --> 03:37:42.300
Michael Jensen: you're you're operating in a commercial space in a commercial kitchen right we're not saying there, there are cloud kitchens happening.

1790
03:37:42.330 --> 03:37:43.860
Michael Jensen: outside of someone's garage.

1791
03:37:44.700 --> 03:37:45.330
Erica Moore: We are.

1792
03:37:45.750 --> 03:37:55.860
Michael Jensen: right but but but i'm saying the rule that you're trying to create is to govern the people who are already in commercial spaces.

1793
03:37:56.820 --> 03:37:58.800
Erica Moore: you're going to go in.

1794
03:38:00.000 --> 03:38:06.420
Erica Moore: There there's gonna be a lot of people that are gonna want to start doing this, this is becoming a trend so i'm sure that.

1795
03:38:07.020 --> 03:38:15.690
Erica Moore: there's going to be this is going to be something that's already going to be in our future forever that it's just a different way of doing business like that there are collaborative kitchen where you have.

1796
03:38:16.080 --> 03:38:28.050
Erica Moore: A structure that has multiple small kitchen built in it, but they're all separately license and they're controlled can't control what's happening, the way that it's structured right now, because it's a free for all.

1797
03:38:28.470 --> 03:38:33.720
Shepard Stern: it's like uber it's like what uber did to the taxi business, this is doing to the.

1798
03:38:35.160 --> 03:38:35.730
Alix: well.

1799
03:38:37.230 --> 03:38:38.490
Michael Jensen: I don't think that's a great.

1800
03:38:39.990 --> 03:38:48.000
Alix: that's that's not a good analogy essentially there's no classification for these ghost kitchens right now we know they're there we know they're coming up.

1801
03:38:48.270 --> 03:38:57.450
Alix: And we know that when you intensify the use of what should a single commercial kitchen with now you're potentially putting in seven seven different.

1802
03:38:58.200 --> 03:39:08.820
Alix: seven different operators into a kitchen right with all of their different loading and unloading and staff and everything else there's an impact on on the neighborhood on the neighborhood.

1803
03:39:09.420 --> 03:39:11.580
Alix: And structure.

1804
03:39:11.610 --> 03:39:11.910
Alix: So.

1805
03:39:12.120 --> 03:39:26.670
Michael Jensen: All this, I just what i'm trying to understand here is that kitchen that they are moving nine people into or nine different you know line cooks are not like cooking teams.

1806
03:39:27.510 --> 03:39:40.050
Michael Jensen: Like you must be talking about a warehouse like building where they filled out nine kitchens, because you're not going to fit nine teams of cooks in a kitchen in a regular kitchen for one.

1807
03:39:42.360 --> 03:39:42.840
Erica Moore: Yes.

1808
03:39:43.260 --> 03:39:43.590
Michael Jensen: Okay.

1809
03:39:44.070 --> 03:39:45.090
Michael Jensen: So there are rotating.

1810
03:39:45.600 --> 03:39:47.070
Michael Jensen: Okay, now that makes okay.

1811
03:39:47.550 --> 03:39:48.450
Alix: So, by the way.

1812
03:39:48.540 --> 03:39:53.190
Alix: You know, because this is such a new concept we don't even know where it's evolving or how it's going.

1813
03:39:54.090 --> 03:40:10.770
Michael Jensen: But what i'm trying to understand is is there actually an intensification of use, or is it just okay now now a now a commercial kitchen they used to just serve lunch and dinner now basically operates, you know 16 hours a day in two ships.

1814
03:40:11.820 --> 03:40:12.900
Alix: Maybe 24 hours.

1815
03:40:15.630 --> 03:40:24.270
Erica Moore: yep because you got bankers and different people, so you have things like the trash because what happens is you know you're only allowed a certain size start in.

1816
03:40:24.630 --> 03:40:31.260
Erica Moore: And what happens is then all of a sudden that trash actions has to pull out three times a week or four times a week, instead of once.

1817
03:40:32.160 --> 03:40:45.210
Erica Moore: And if there's different things like that that happened there's also the road and and vector control has to be increases with so many things that are impacted and the deliveries, because not everybody necessarily delivers from the same vendor.

1818
03:40:47.040 --> 03:41:03.090
Erica Moore: There so it's not just one chef who's coming in many times you've got drivers coming in you've got you've got your front of the House people, you know that it's all different, but it is all hours of the day and night that's very common.

1819
03:41:03.480 --> 03:41:06.780
Michael Jensen: But there's already rules about hours of operation.

1820
03:41:07.350 --> 03:41:10.380
Erica Moore: No there's not not like like what we do is it.

1821
03:41:11.400 --> 03:41:12.360
Erica Moore: For catering company.

1822
03:41:14.100 --> 03:41:16.740
Erica Moore: Like a brick and mortar people are coming and sitting down and eating.

1823
03:41:16.770 --> 03:41:18.480
Erica Moore: yeah and.

1824
03:41:19.620 --> 03:41:24.750
Erica Moore: The same way, and those are the kinds of places that are used for NGOs kitchens, because.

1825
03:41:25.410 --> 03:41:27.210
Erica Moore: Because it's strictly a commercial kitchen.

1826
03:41:28.650 --> 03:41:30.900
Erica Moore: So, so that so you're absolutely correct.

1827
03:41:33.000 --> 03:41:34.830
Erica Moore: there's no limitation is that when we can.

1828
03:41:37.590 --> 03:41:39.060
Michael Jensen: And i'm what I mean so.

1829
03:41:39.150 --> 03:41:47.910
Michael Jensen: So if you were just a baker but here's the thing if you were just a baker and you baked at two in the morning because that's when bakers bake the bread you're allowed to do that.

1830
03:41:48.630 --> 03:41:55.770
Michael Jensen: yeah so Why would it be any different for the baking shift who comes into a cloud kitchen to bake at two in the morning.

1831
03:41:56.460 --> 03:42:11.190
Erica Moore: Because what happens is this a bakery normally has a certain amount of people coming in and out you're talking about what ruefully the amount of volume and people all day and night long it's temporary.

1832
03:42:11.850 --> 03:42:18.600
Michael Jensen: The building still complies with the occupancy loads and all that i'm just not seeing why we have to invent a new standard for this.

1833
03:42:19.230 --> 03:42:22.590
Tim Bonefeld: doesn't I just thought so so, how does.

1834
03:42:23.340 --> 03:42:25.860
Tim Bonefeld: How does all food operate a business that I got.

1835
03:42:26.010 --> 03:42:29.310
Tim Bonefeld: They haven't offside kitchen where they cook for all their.

1836
03:42:30.660 --> 03:42:34.980
Tim Bonefeld: All their stores and they've got to be shipping out, day and night from those places what's the difference.

1837
03:42:37.980 --> 03:42:39.390
Erica Moore: or something even all done there.

1838
03:42:41.670 --> 03:42:42.330
Tim Bonefeld: You have what you.

1839
03:42:43.620 --> 03:42:45.270
Tim Bonefeld: Look here can you slow down just.

1840
03:42:46.470 --> 03:42:48.390
Alix: said she said, they have a satellite kitchen.

1841
03:42:49.470 --> 03:42:57.750
Erica Moore: yeah most most places like a lion kitchen what's used that way by like joe's restaurant there's a lot of places that.

1842
03:42:58.170 --> 03:43:10.020
Erica Moore: What they do or air one they might do some stuff in house, but they don't they can't actually do the volume that they need for their customers, so they actually do some grant.

1843
03:43:10.650 --> 03:43:21.810
Erica Moore: They they go that outside of people like me and other in other kitchens that our commercial features that are just set up for like promising that all the stuff you get those quizzes is not making how.

1844
03:43:24.150 --> 03:43:35.490
Alix: But here's the thing but here's the thing Okay, we know that that ghost kitchens cloud kitchens it's a new form of business and it's a new land use concept on how you would.

1845
03:43:35.760 --> 03:43:51.030
Alix: How, you would use commercial kitchen space Okay, and all it's all that rack is asking for is is that we literally like get a clear clarification of what these are and how we're going to assess the impact on the Community that's it.

1846
03:43:52.020 --> 03:44:03.000
Alix: So that we don't go, two years later, like, for example, the best analogy would be with the scooters people dumped scooters on to Venice, with no understanding of like how this would impact.

1847
03:44:03.570 --> 03:44:13.800
Alix: People the Community neighborhoods traffic, etc, etc, and now you know however many years later we're like oh my God, this is a mess, what do we do when people are up in arms.

1848
03:44:14.100 --> 03:44:24.960
Alix: All this is saying is let's try and figure this out and have some sort of intelligent conversation before it becomes a bigger mess and it really impacts, the Community and that's the spirit of this notion.

1849
03:44:27.090 --> 03:44:37.470
Michael Jensen: I mean, I think the spirit of this motion is just to find another way to not allow kind of business that you know i'm guessing whoever came up with this doesn't like.

1850
03:44:42.450 --> 03:44:43.830
Shepard Stern: it's fair at all it's.

1851
03:44:44.790 --> 03:44:53.610
Alix: Absolutely absolutely not that was not being we're all we all were in agreement that this is all going on already, and no one is looked like.

1852
03:44:54.120 --> 03:45:06.180
Alix: This ship is left has left the job, no one is looking to shut down this type of the business that was not the spirit of the conversation that was not the spirit of this motion like absolutely not all it's saying is is like.

1853
03:45:06.930 --> 03:45:18.210
Alix: This is happening let's get some clear cut classifications and understand what this is doing so that if they're going into you know communities, we can assess the impact and adjust accordingly.

1854
03:45:19.560 --> 03:45:20.130
Alix: that's all.

1855
03:45:20.850 --> 03:45:30.750
Michael Jensen: I guess, I mean I couldn't tell you where a cloud kitchen is, which means I haven't noticed one and i'm up pretty late and out and about.

1856
03:45:32.400 --> 03:45:34.710
Michael Jensen: So do they just not exist in Venice.

1857
03:45:35.310 --> 03:45:48.150
Alix: Well that's what I was gonna say I don't really know of their existence and best because I think I think the real estate were too dense here and where you know our our our our our Community.

1858
03:45:48.810 --> 03:45:50.850
Michael Jensen: it's too expensive to to.

1859
03:45:51.150 --> 03:45:51.450
Michael Jensen: But.

1860
03:45:51.480 --> 03:45:58.980
Michael Jensen: But I mean the thing is that I worked, I worked downtown in an area which I would imagine would be right for NGOs kitchens and I don't notice it.

1861
03:45:59.430 --> 03:46:14.160
Michael Jensen: I don't I mean I leave work late sometimes and I don't notice it any like I don't notice goes kitchens, any more than I noticed, like the shipping companies and all the other industry that's around me so.

1862
03:46:16.080 --> 03:46:19.410
Michael Jensen: Again I go back to I think we're just we're creating.

1863
03:46:21.120 --> 03:46:22.890
Michael Jensen: we're trying to create some kind of like.

1864
03:46:22.920 --> 03:46:27.930
Michael Jensen: Regulation or trying to theorize a regulation, something that honestly, I believe, already exists.

1865
03:46:28.500 --> 03:46:38.310
Tim Bonefeld: Can we can really set up a task force that can they can maybe dive into this and maybe find a couple of examples, and you know.

1866
03:46:39.360 --> 03:46:41.310
Tim Bonefeld: Like maybe just Barbara.

1867
03:46:42.480 --> 03:46:48.690
Tim Bonefeld: Barbara lady that wrote the motion could maybe come into a presentation, or you know, maybe, she has some more data.

1868
03:46:50.400 --> 03:46:51.180
Tim Bonefeld: Like I.

1869
03:46:52.440 --> 03:46:57.750
Tim Bonefeld: Clearly i'm with Macau that I think that this is not, you know I haven't seen anything.

1870
03:46:58.920 --> 03:47:02.790
Tim Bonefeld: You know neighborhood about you know in Venice about you know goes kitchens.

1871
03:47:04.530 --> 03:47:04.830
Tim Bonefeld: and

1872
03:47:07.980 --> 03:47:15.150
Tim Bonefeld: I understand that Eric kept but i'm like i'm just i'm just confused, I guess, I don't I don't understand the difference between.

1873
03:47:16.620 --> 03:47:29.670
Erica Moore: For you, I personally would like to see me benefit some of the stuff that they're they're doing now is a benefit because it lessens the restrictions that I actually have to deal.

1874
03:47:29.670 --> 03:47:34.920
Alix: With okay hold on i'm going to read you, excuse me Erica i'm going to read you the definition of a cloud or ghost.

1875
03:47:38.010 --> 03:47:38.580
Alix: Excuse me.

1876
03:47:38.640 --> 03:47:40.410
Tim Bonefeld: One question and then you can read your thing.

1877
03:47:40.710 --> 03:47:45.660
Tim Bonefeld: Okay, just be like a we work of kitchens, this is that what's going on, like.

1878
03:47:50.070 --> 03:47:50.400
Tim Bonefeld: Okay.

1879
03:47:50.550 --> 03:47:51.150
Alix: Thank you okay.

1880
03:47:51.630 --> 03:48:02.160
Alix: A ghost kitchen our facilities are professional food preparation and cooking facilities that have numerous least kitchens on site for the preparation of delivery only meals.

1881
03:48:02.460 --> 03:48:13.560
Alix: These facilities are most often occupied by restaurants, who do not have brick and mortar locations by restaurants, unable to process to go orders from their retail locations and for caterers who prepare meals for delivery.

1882
03:48:13.920 --> 03:48:21.960
Alix: They do not include a storefront or indoor seating or the one location on West Los Angeles, has been observed, to have outdoor seating.

1883
03:48:22.290 --> 03:48:33.240
Alix: It goes to kitchen most often contains kitchen space and facilities for more than one restaurant brad because we now have more need for delivery food services.

1884
03:48:33.870 --> 03:48:41.850
Alix: We are there are areas on the West side that are getting ghost kitchens in commercial areas, sometimes adjacent to residential neighborhoods.

1885
03:48:42.420 --> 03:48:54.690
Alix: As this new business model that behaves differently from a retail restaurant or traditional manufacturing facility there's a need for the city planning department and other relevant agencies to evaluate potential impacts on nearby businesses.

1886
03:48:54.870 --> 03:49:03.510
Alix: and residential neighborhoods and to consider the adoption of specific zoning Pal classification or regulations specifically specific to this use.

1887
03:49:04.920 --> 03:49:05.460
Alix: There you go.

1888
03:49:08.910 --> 03:49:13.770
Michael Jensen: Okay, so they want to put them outside of a commercial zone and into manufacturing so.

1889
03:49:15.150 --> 03:49:16.260
Erica Moore: I don't think so.

1890
03:49:16.470 --> 03:49:16.920
Alix: which may.

1891
03:49:17.940 --> 03:49:18.180
Tim Bonefeld: Which.

1892
03:49:19.680 --> 03:49:28.170
Tim Bonefeld: like this, I don't believe that this would be allowed in a commercial zone like even a like are you allowed to have a commercial kitchen in a in a in a season.

1893
03:49:29.130 --> 03:49:30.480
Alix: yeah yeah.

1894
03:49:32.130 --> 03:49:32.580
Erica Moore: But I mean.

1895
03:49:32.790 --> 03:49:43.260
Michael Jensen: The thing that that I here's the catch 22 is cloud kitchens work when they're in commercial zones, at least nearby residential neighborhoods because people order food.

1896
03:49:43.620 --> 03:49:50.190
Michael Jensen: You like if you're going to lock these people into manufacturing zones, like all the food is going to get delivered cold.

1897
03:49:54.930 --> 03:49:56.160
Michael Jensen: But That said, I mean.

1898
03:49:56.220 --> 03:50:02.910
Michael Jensen: If your neighbors have issues with restaurants, like restaurants basically running 24 seven.

1899
03:50:04.500 --> 03:50:16.920
Michael Jensen: I mean they you know, there are nuisance violations, probably to be found, like there's existing that's what i'm trying to get to is like there's existing law that covers all of these concerns.

1900
03:50:17.940 --> 03:50:30.360
Michael Jensen: Whether it's you know commercial kitchen licensing from the Department of Health or occupancy loads from the fire department or nuisance issues with code enforcement like.

1901
03:50:32.820 --> 03:50:33.090
I.

1902
03:50:35.310 --> 03:50:43.140
Alix: Sure, as hell like Okay, you could take where the fox theater is right that's a commercial space.

1903
03:50:44.760 --> 03:50:57.210
Alix: On linkedin Okay, and you could design and decide to convert that into a space where you could put in let's say 20 different kitchens in a single location.

1904
03:50:57.900 --> 03:51:06.300
Alix: Right now, and that would be, and that would be used for like food delivery and it would be going 24 seven and you would have.

1905
03:51:06.600 --> 03:51:10.890
Alix: Cars going in and out of there picking up and dropping off food and potentially.

1906
03:51:11.280 --> 03:51:23.970
Alix: You know deliveries that at at more deliveries than you would normally have a bigger drain on the power right because 20 kitchens with 20 commercial ovens is a pretty heavy like electrical demand.

1907
03:51:24.450 --> 03:51:30.810
Alix: And this is this is, this is a new model right the ship has left the Doc like we're not going to get rid of those kitchens.

1908
03:51:30.870 --> 03:51:31.680
Alix: No one is i've.

1909
03:51:31.710 --> 03:51:50.670
Michael Jensen: gone through, I mean, since you spoke to power i've actually dealt with that because I a lot of our business uses a lot of power and if if your load is beyond what the wires on the street give you guess who's paying for that upgrade you are so.

1910
03:51:52.320 --> 03:52:01.740
Michael Jensen: Like again these I feel like we're looking to create a Byzantine process for.

1911
03:52:03.690 --> 03:52:13.230
Michael Jensen: You know, a novel industry that you know we're saying we don't understand, but it really fits into I think it fits into the boxes that are already there.

1912
03:52:14.640 --> 03:52:18.780
Michael Jensen: And there's regulations in place for.

1913
03:52:20.250 --> 03:52:24.750
Michael Jensen: If it's neighborhood complaints or whether it's health violations like all this stuff.

1914
03:52:25.800 --> 03:52:27.030
Michael Jensen: And I don't.

1915
03:52:28.350 --> 03:52:33.150
Michael Jensen: again call the question I you know I don't have to support the motion it's not the end of the world.

1916
03:52:33.510 --> 03:52:39.750
Shepard Stern: Right it's not what the we're going to convince mchale a map of what this is about it doesn't matter let's get the vote going.

1917
03:52:41.280 --> 03:52:47.850
Erica Moore: slight correction ELISE just laid out that's not what the regular kitchen model is.

1918
03:52:48.900 --> 03:53:02.100
Erica Moore: What you described but they're separate units, and that is already happening and that's fine that's different what we're talking about a ghost a singular space in having multiple businesses within a singular space.

1919
03:53:02.400 --> 03:53:02.850
Michael Jensen: And one.

1920
03:53:03.150 --> 03:53:04.800
Michael Jensen: leaves and a new one comes in.

1921
03:53:05.700 --> 03:53:07.500
Alix: No, no.

1922
03:53:09.060 --> 03:53:09.240
Erica Moore: No.

1923
03:53:09.330 --> 03:53:09.960
Michael Jensen: you're saying.

1924
03:53:09.990 --> 03:53:13.380
Michael Jensen: they're operating in shifts 24 hours a day.

1925
03:53:15.570 --> 03:53:24.330
Erica Moore: there's only one for different entities operating at the same time, but there could be up to 10 operating per day because they do probably different shifts.

1926
03:53:26.850 --> 03:53:28.110
Michael Jensen: Right, but if they're if they're not.

1927
03:53:28.110 --> 03:53:35.310
Michael Jensen: exceeding the occupancy lows and you know if the fire department says, well then they're already breaking that's what i'm saying is like.

1928
03:53:35.940 --> 03:53:48.480
Michael Jensen: The fire department says this kitchen can hold 20 people and 20 people are working in it well that's that's loud if 25 people are working in it okay that's a code that's a violation but they're already breaking the law.

1929
03:53:51.510 --> 03:53:54.960
Erica Moore: That is the point that is exactly what is happening.

1930
03:53:55.740 --> 03:54:00.990
Michael Jensen: Okay, so they're already break so so we want to create standards for people who are already ignoring.

1931
03:54:03.030 --> 03:54:09.180
Erica Moore: It because it's just it's just like, if you want to have a house and we were bringing you know by families in one space.

1932
03:54:11.520 --> 03:54:12.810
Erica Moore: I don't know how to lay it out to you.

1933
03:54:13.710 --> 03:54:18.720
Alix: cut you off because Jim has a question so TIM, do you want to do want to say something about this.

1934
03:54:19.080 --> 03:54:26.430
james murez: So i've been paying attention to this for a while listening to you guys talk, I was also at the Rack meeting, where the Rack.

1935
03:54:28.260 --> 03:54:34.290
james murez: Whatever they call them the head the head honchos the primaries were discussing the item.

1936
03:54:36.060 --> 03:54:50.640
james murez: And and i've done a little bit of research into it there there's two things I guess mckellar is right if there's a lot of stuff already in place, part of the problem is with the kitchens that exist, as I understand it.

1937
03:54:52.620 --> 03:55:06.480
james murez: The restaurant kitchen is being used for a lot higher volume of takeout than the raffle entitlements wherever designed to handle so that means they're having a greater number of deliveries more.

1938
03:55:07.260 --> 03:55:17.940
james murez: they're having a lot more traffic it's being created by the delivery companies coming to pick this stuff up now, if a restaurant, for instance, has seating for 100 people.

1939
03:55:19.320 --> 03:55:30.360
james murez: they've been conditioned outside of the coastal zone, based on square footage of the overall space and then we're just not like in the coastal zone where it's based on service area but it's the overall building size.

1940
03:55:30.960 --> 03:55:38.520
james murez: And every square foot has to be parked in the coastal zone that's not true, we don't have that we only have the part that's the service floor area.

1941
03:55:38.790 --> 03:55:49.770
james murez: So we could theoretically be even more heavily impacted because the kitchen space could be disproportionate to the service floor area, create a much higher volume of traffic.

1942
03:55:51.060 --> 03:56:02.160
james murez: And by doing that have a much greater impact on the neighboring nate on the neighboring Community now in the rest of West la where it's going on, they too are having the problem because.

1943
03:56:02.760 --> 03:56:14.430
james murez: The restaurant there was designed for so many people, based on the service where area, the kitchen was designed to audible to that, and so, once you start using the kitchen at a constant high volume.

1944
03:56:14.970 --> 03:56:22.740
james murez: You create a much greater use for the space and the problem is, is that it's not a commercial kitchen from the standpoint.

1945
03:56:23.220 --> 03:56:30.390
james murez: of city zoning code, but it can be a commercial kitchen from the standpoint of the health department, where they allow.

1946
03:56:31.170 --> 03:56:36.150
james murez: off site businesses to come in and cook out of it and that's allowed in the Health Code.

1947
03:56:36.630 --> 03:56:44.550
james murez: So they can have a restaurant permit or they can have a commercial kitchen permit and in the commercial kitchen permit they're allowed to do food preparation for off site.

1948
03:56:45.120 --> 03:56:57.420
james murez: Sales so that's One scenario that very much exist, the other one that you haven't brought up at all is the food truck business when you have a small restaurant, it has a small kitchen.

1949
03:56:57.870 --> 03:57:06.030
james murez: And they have a great name and all of a sudden, the food truck comes and starts doing all of the food preparation outside the business.

1950
03:57:06.060 --> 03:57:06.480
Alix: are asked.

1951
03:57:06.540 --> 03:57:17.880
james murez: Now you have a much higher volume, once again, and the delivery services are now coming and also another food truck is completely unregulated and the city has no control over that.

1952
03:57:19.050 --> 03:57:27.120
james murez: Because because it's controlled under the county vehicle inspection program and if it's if it's in the county of.

1953
03:57:27.540 --> 03:57:39.480
james murez: Los Angeles, the vehicle is allowed to stop now some cities have special ordinances like beverly hills and Santa Monica about food trucks, but the city of Los Angeles doesn't have that they take out a business permit they can open on any street they want.

1954
03:57:40.530 --> 03:57:40.950
james murez: So.

1955
03:57:41.010 --> 03:57:55.560
james murez: yeah that's a separate that's what i'm saying is is that that's a separate condition from the physical space that's doing it, the mobile kitchen is a separate threat and, again, there is no regulation that says a.

1956
03:57:56.550 --> 03:58:02.610
james murez: restaurant can't have a secondary kitchen outside their front door as a food truck.

1957
03:58:04.440 --> 03:58:16.050
Alix: That Jim would you because you were at the same meetings that I was wouldn't you agree that nobody wanted to stop ghost or cloud kitchens, because they all understand that, like the ship has sailed on that one.

1958
03:58:16.260 --> 03:58:28.530
Alix: But that they simply there's no sort of standards and there's got to be a thought process to the intensification of us both with the amount of people coming in and out and also the amount of energy be.

1959
03:58:29.730 --> 03:58:35.970
james murez: Well i'm not worried about the energy they'll figure that one out I think michaels right about that um I.

1960
03:58:36.990 --> 03:58:47.100
james murez: think that the the definition is something that probably like TIM was saying, it would be nice to have somebody actually start to define what is the real problem.

1961
03:58:47.550 --> 03:59:01.440
james murez: And and and start to put together some kind of a matrix of here's the problem and here's the potential solution and then does this fit to that location or not I I don't necessarily like the idea of adding regulation.

1962
03:59:02.190 --> 03:59:11.280
james murez: With a blanket concept that Oh, the city's going to do the right thing, because we see where there's a potential problem I think if we see a potential problem we really ought to.

1963
03:59:12.150 --> 03:59:22.470
james murez: You know, do what's known as creating the findings here are the findings and then let the decision makers base the opinion on on the facts that you can actually dig out.

1964
03:59:26.100 --> 03:59:34.110
Alix: Well, I think I think Jim that this rack motion basically says, I mean it doesn't say let's provide findings, but it says let's start clarifying.

1965
03:59:34.380 --> 03:59:43.980
Alix: You know what these are and and, and so we can start thinking about what you know how we guide this process as we move forward, because we know they're not going away.

1966
03:59:45.930 --> 03:59:54.900
james murez: yeah well, you want to take a position on the Rack motion I think that's a good thing I don't know that it's the right or the wrong motion and i'll make my opinion yeah public.

1967
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james murez: boy yeah Thank you.

1968
03:59:59.370 --> 04:00:02.190
Tim Bonefeld: know if you can do commercial kitchen kitchens and season.

1969
04:00:03.240 --> 04:00:04.770
james murez: In a season yeah you can do a.

1970
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james murez: Commercial season.

1971
04:00:06.600 --> 04:00:07.170
You can.

1972
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Tim Bonefeld: Thank you.

1973
04:00:11.970 --> 04:00:20.820
Alix: All right, we're gonna call the question on this and and think about it so i'm going to make the motion to to approve them motion.

1974
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Alix: second step is gonna second at.

1975
04:00:28.680 --> 04:00:29.160
Alix: TIM.

1976
04:00:30.210 --> 04:00:32.760
Tim Bonefeld: i'm going to go, known as one, I would like more.

1977
04:00:33.840 --> 04:00:34.320
Tim Bonefeld: More Mr.

1978
04:00:34.530 --> 04:00:35.130
hell.

1979
04:00:36.360 --> 04:00:37.020
Michael Jensen: No, I mean I.

1980
04:00:39.090 --> 04:00:40.890
Michael Jensen: Know i'm not even gonna say anything just.

1981
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Alix: No fine Chris.

1982
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Chris Zonnas: So you know I I really dislike.

1983
04:00:48.570 --> 04:01:04.050
Chris Zonnas: Creating a new hurdles for anyone in the restaurant business, because this is hard enough it is, but I mean some of the points Eric made um you know I guess it's worse, you know looking into because there's obviously a change that's taking place, so I vote to improve.

1984
04:01:06.570 --> 04:01:06.840
Alix: Right.

1985
04:01:08.220 --> 04:01:17.190
Alix: And for everyone that's on this call, I just wanted to thank you for for your two years of service on the committee and.

1986
04:01:18.180 --> 04:01:19.410
Alix: to the public, thank you.

1987
04:01:20.370 --> 04:01:24.090
Alix: who's here as well, too, and I hope I see some of you in the.

1988
04:01:25.350 --> 04:01:28.650
Alix: Next loop at committee or still involved, so thank you.

1989
04:01:30.420 --> 04:01:31.020
Tim Bonefeld: Thank you.

1990
04:01:31.230 --> 04:01:32.520
Shepard Stern: Thank you, thanks.

1991
04:01:32.790 --> 04:01:34.470
Chris Zonnas: good night everyone right.

1992
04:01:35.250 --> 04:01:37.710
Alix: Night meetings adjourned.