WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.119 People aren't on camera. There's no accountability. and for transparency reasons it's very important that 2 00:00:08.460 --> 00:00:17.340 Erica Moore: that that be known. So it just seems we need to. We need to be doing what we're supposed to be doing. Everybody is talking about enforcement, about signs and things. 3 00:00:17.430 --> 00:00:23.590 Erica Moore: Well, this is kind of the same thing. It's like, you know. There's rules for a reason, and we need to comply with them. Thank you. 4 00:00:25.220 --> 00:00:26.880 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Erica 5 00:00:27.380 --> 00:00:29.280 Daffodil Tyminski: Jill Crosby, Go ahead. 6 00:00:31.680 --> 00:00:44.090 Jill Crosby: I I definitely agree with this. I think that there should be some. There's just to be some record of in and out times. I think it definitely affects quorum. I think it affects 7 00:00:44.190 --> 00:00:52.220 Jill Crosby: certain subject matters that when certain people aren't there you might not be able to get the best. Input so I I am definitely in favor of this. 8 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:54.690 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Jill 9 00:00:55.990 --> 00:00:58.630 Daffodil Tyminski: Raven Meres. Go ahead. 10 00:01:00.290 --> 00:01:18.170 Robin Murez: So yeah, of course this is important. And in fact, it's because there were also recorded and transcribed minutes. That daffodil you can go back and see that. Yes, you indeed did state. Stand down when I suggested that our committees could collaborate. 11 00:01:18.270 --> 00:01:37.590 Robin Murez: So please be careful and realize what you say and how you say it. And I do tell the truth. You have something on this particular topic. Yeah, so it's about minutes, and additionally, together with the procedure of minutes having to be handled properly. 12 00:01:37.590 --> 00:02:05.010 Robin Murez: it's about filing agendas and posting them on the website and 5 of the 6 agendas for the neighborhood Committee last year were not posted prior to their meetings, so the public did not know of them, so they were completely illegal meetings, and everything motion that came out of them was illegal, and they were posted in february of 2,023. It's outrageous I wanted to find meetings. And could 13 00:02:06.610 --> 00:02:08.840 Daffodil Tyminski: Helen go ahead? 14 00:02:12.570 --> 00:02:16.570 Helen Fallon: Yeah, I think this doesn't even require any discussion by 15 00:02:17.370 --> 00:02:20.520 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, sorry, Helen. Sorry. Wait 16 00:02:22.450 --> 00:02:23.970 Daffodil Tyminski: my apologies. 17 00:02:24.030 --> 00:02:28.060 Helen Fallon: I'll start over again. 18 00:02:28.800 --> 00:02:38.300 Helen Fallon: This doesn't even require any discussion by the board. It's part of the Secretary's duties. It's a responsibility that hasn't been happening. It should be recorded. 19 00:02:38.470 --> 00:02:48.100 Helen Fallon: There's there's lots of reasons that of our other people already expressed, and frankly, other Nc's Haven't had trouble doing it, and they're on, Zoom, too. So 20 00:02:48.140 --> 00:02:49.530 Helen Fallon: Oh, in fact. 21 00:02:49.560 --> 00:02:58.880 Helen Fallon: we're all irritated with Michael Lynn, but I've seen the South Robertson minutes, and they're exemplary. I mean they haven't recorded for everybody in and out 22 00:02:59.030 --> 00:03:06.070 Helen Fallon: you know we have people arriving late, and they're recorded as attending. And they did. They weren't there for the first half hour. That's not correct. 23 00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:13.560 Helen Fallon: and it affects things like whether people really attended the meeting, because you have to send 50 of the meeting. 24 00:03:13.770 --> 00:03:23.140 Helen Fallon: so you know, fix it and start doing the right thing, and it should've got on this long. It's it's no, it's long, and I used to be collective. But 25 00:03:25.470 --> 00:03:27.040 Daffodil Tyminski: thank you, Helen 26 00:03:29.440 --> 00:03:34.220 Daffodil Tyminski: Erica, go ahead. Sorry everyone's jumping around a little bit on the zoom here. So, Erica, go ahead. 27 00:03:34.960 --> 00:03:36.600 Erica Moore: I already spoke to this. 28 00:03:37.000 --> 00:03:40.330 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, okay, Sorry you didn't put your hand up all over my hand. 29 00:03:40.760 --> 00:03:42.840 Daffodil Tyminski: Coloni W. Go ahead. 30 00:03:44.820 --> 00:03:52.350 Kalani W: Other councils have had issues with this, so one council in particular is asking that if 31 00:03:52.410 --> 00:04:06.700 Kalani W: we do not go back to in person and and do when the argument to have the the Brown act amended and stay on zoom, that all cameras of elected Council members be kept on. 32 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:18.720 Kalani W: so that we can ensure that people are in attendance, especially while a vote is being taken or a person Council person is speaking. 33 00:04:18.740 --> 00:04:30.800 Kalani W: So this problem does exist throughout the Neighborhood Council, and should be addressed, and I support this motion. People should announce when they 34 00:04:30.830 --> 00:04:34.880 Kalani W: a arrive, and they should announce when they are leaving the meeting. 35 00:04:34.940 --> 00:04:38.790 Kalani W: It's common courtesy, and it's required by Bonk. Thank you. 36 00:04:40.720 --> 00:04:45.740 Thank you. Last, but not least, and with this will close public comment, Liz, right. 37 00:04:46.310 --> 00:04:47.460 Daffodil Tyminski: Go ahead, Liz. 38 00:04:50.600 --> 00:05:01.260 Elizabeth Wright: If people are wondering why they meetings are so long. There was just an entire string of people saying this is a no-brainer doing. but they took a long time to say it. 39 00:05:01.630 --> 00:05:02.430 Elizabeth Wright: That's all. 40 00:05:05.270 --> 00:05:07.980 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Liz. With that, Jim. We'll close public comment. 41 00:05:08.630 --> 00:05:11.560 jim murez: Okay, do we have any board coming. 42 00:05:12.330 --> 00:05:13.410 jay handal: Jay. 43 00:05:15.420 --> 00:05:17.760 jay handal: What was that? Oh. 44 00:05:18.980 --> 00:05:20.820 jim murez: raise your hand. 45 00:05:21.540 --> 00:05:25.330 Michael Jensen: I? It will be quick because I am. 46 00:05:25.520 --> 00:05:26.680 Michael Jensen: We've heard. 47 00:05:26.910 --> 00:05:42.280 Michael Jensen: you know, that we have a bunch of unnecessary motions on the calendar. This is one that just says, follow the rule that already exist. I don't know why it even requires a motion. I agree with it. It's not that i'm saying that I don't. But so you know, I think all of this eats up time. 48 00:05:42.290 --> 00:05:58.160 Michael Jensen: The other thing is, I think, practically speaking, when we get back to in-person meetings. This will be a much more natural function, because people will actually be at a table and will be noticed when they get up and leave. So some of this may become moved in or in our next meeting. That's it. 49 00:05:59.310 --> 00:06:01.170 jim murez: Thank you, Michael Jay. Go ahead. 50 00:06:01.390 --> 00:06:02.680 jay handal: Yeah, I I 51 00:06:03.290 --> 00:06:19.780 jay handal: I will mirror that. I mean. The fact of matter is, if we go back to to in person. This is a moved point. and I think everybody who spoke is correct. I think the only thing that's not correct, is it shouldn't be on the agenda. It should have been directed to the secretary directly 52 00:06:19.910 --> 00:06:27.650 jay handal: it, at least by Adcom to instruct the secretary to do the job, and if the Secretary Isn't, going to do the job. 53 00:06:27.660 --> 00:06:38.810 jay handal: then the secretary should be removed, and another secretary should be put in. This is a basic function of the secretary. It hasn't been done, and should have been done from day. One. 54 00:06:40.850 --> 00:06:43.380 jim murez: Thank you. Jay. Any other comments. 55 00:06:44.550 --> 00:06:48.780 jim murez: Okay, all over your head. Okay, let's take a boat. 56 00:06:52.540 --> 00:06:54.650 jim murez: I'm gonna vote. Yes. 57 00:06:57.850 --> 00:06:58.810 Daffodil Tyminski: yes. 58 00:07:00.150 --> 00:07:01.700 jay handal: Jay Yup. 59 00:07:04.690 --> 00:07:09.440 jim murez: Yes. See this top here, Nico. 60 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:11.130 Nico Ruderman: Yes. 61 00:07:11.830 --> 00:07:13.910 Jim Robb: Jim Rob. Yes. 62 00:07:14.190 --> 00:07:15.370 jim murez: Jason. 63 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:16.830 Jason Sugars: Yes. 64 00:07:17.140 --> 00:07:18.900 Alley Bean: Allie. 65 00:07:19.320 --> 00:07:20.400 jim murez: Okay. 66 00:07:22.710 --> 00:07:23.580 jim murez: Mike. 67 00:07:24.170 --> 00:07:25.090 Mike Bravo: Yes. 68 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:26.760 jim murez: Solidar 69 00:07:30.750 --> 00:07:32.410 robertthibodeau: Robert. Yes. 70 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:34.800 Clark Brown: Clark. Yes. 71 00:07:35.450 --> 00:07:36.530 jim murez: the kill. 72 00:07:42.700 --> 00:07:45.120 Michael Jensen: Sorry. Okay. 73 00:07:45.310 --> 00:07:47.060 jim murez: Trick. Yes. 74 00:07:47.250 --> 00:07:50.570 jim murez: thank you. Motion carries 15 0 0. 75 00:07:52.230 --> 00:07:55.450 jim murez: Lisa Redmond motion 76 00:07:55.840 --> 00:07:58.230 jim murez: to correct prior minutes. 77 00:07:59.050 --> 00:08:02.960 Jim Robb: We need somebody to make the motion. 78 00:08:03.270 --> 00:08:04.750 jim murez: Thank you, Jim. 79 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:09.590 Jason Sugars: I will second the motion, Jason. Sure, Thank you, Jason. 80 00:08:11.740 --> 00:08:14.200 Jim Robb: I just want to announce. 81 00:08:15.200 --> 00:08:26.270 jim murez: I'm just gonna announce for the attendance that i'm leaving. I have to go to bed. I have to be up at 6 am so sorry, guys. Thank you. We have still have quorum for a few more minutes. 82 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:32.549 Nico Ruderman: This is this is Nico I I I also I have to wake up at 4 am. If if I leave you self. Quorum. 83 00:08:33.750 --> 00:08:39.169 jim murez: Yeah, we had 15. So 2 is. Yeah, we're still good. 84 00:08:39.500 --> 00:08:42.210 Nico Ruderman: Okay, bye, everybody. 85 00:08:43.760 --> 00:08:45.580 jim murez: Okay, Jeff read the motion. 86 00:08:45.810 --> 00:08:52.780 Jim Robb: Therefore the Venice Neighborhood Council directs the Secretary in the next 14 days to amend the below list of minutes 87 00:08:52.950 --> 00:08:58.620 Jim Robb: with corresponding item numbers and change these board members votes to ineligible 88 00:08:58.940 --> 00:09:07.000 Jim Robb: October eighteenth, 2,022 regular board meeting pivotal item, 1516, November, 15 2,003 89 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:14.250 Jim Robb: regular board meeting best items number 918-19-2123, 90 00:09:14.380 --> 00:09:27.560 Jim Robb: 24, 26, item, 24 on december twentieth being at a board meeting Tibeto item, 5 6 January 9. Special board meeting best 91 00:09:27.800 --> 00:09:30.010 Jim Robb: items Number 7. 92 00:09:30.290 --> 00:09:32.760 Jim Robb: Item 7, number 7. 93 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.480 Jim Robb: The amended minutes will be placed on the next following: a regular 94 00:09:38.770 --> 00:09:42.830 Jim Robb: board officers agenda for ratification by the board. 95 00:09:44.910 --> 00:09:48.930 jim murez: Okay, we have, Lisa. Do you want to discuss this at all? 96 00:09:52.830 --> 00:09:57.000 jim murez: You have your hand up? I don't know if you can speak. Let me see if I can figure it. 97 00:09:59.640 --> 00:10:12.860 Lisa Redmond: You can speak, Jim. Okay, go ahead and speak. Lisa. Yeah, I'll just go quick, and i'll just be like first in line, as public comment, much like the last one I feel like I shouldn't have to write a motion. It is just as it is 98 00:10:13.020 --> 00:10:14.880 Lisa Redmond: and should be. 99 00:10:15.530 --> 00:10:22.950 Lisa Redmond: I asked also for this last month, even when the minutes were wrong, I raised my hand and it, and pointed out these inconsistencies. 100 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:24.210 Lisa Redmond: and the Board 101 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:29.110 Lisa Redmond: still voted. Yes, and again, these are important records that need to be fixed. 102 00:10:30.260 --> 00:10:39.300 Lisa Redmond: So I went and did all the work for you. I pointed out exactly which motions need to be changed. They just need to be changed, and the votes corrected. It's not going to 103 00:10:39.610 --> 00:10:47.720 Lisa Redmond: the vote. Tally is correct. It's not going to change any votes or disqualify any motions. But for record we need to follow 104 00:10:47.750 --> 00:10:52.670 Lisa Redmond: and and go through with these, and I would appreciate if that would be done. Thank you. 105 00:10:53.500 --> 00:10:58.260 jim murez: Okay, definitely. Do we have any public comment? 106 00:10:59.610 --> 00:11:02.460 Daffodil Tyminski: We do. 107 00:11:04.280 --> 00:11:06.450 Daffodil Tyminski: Helen Fallon. Go ahead. 108 00:11:08.060 --> 00:11:12.330 Helen Fallon: The bond policy makes it very clear that our minute should accurately reflect 109 00:11:12.440 --> 00:11:19.810 Helen Fallon: for the status it should be reflected in our Board Action accounts. We we should not have any accurate records of 110 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:28.220 Helen Fallon: people voting more ineligible. It's just wrong again. Isn't going to change the vote, counts all it could in some cases, I suppose not in these. 111 00:11:28.290 --> 00:11:34.240 Helen Fallon: but fix it. Secretary should be directed. So it gets done, and it doesn't like language on 112 00:11:34.530 --> 00:11:35.400 Helen Fallon: incorrect. 113 00:11:37.600 --> 00:11:41.900 Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Helen. We're having mirrors. Go ahead. 114 00:11:44.180 --> 00:11:52.180 Robin Murez: Yeah. So you know, it is unfortunate that motions like this have to be brought up, but it is because we have officers who have been 115 00:11:52.760 --> 00:11:55.540 Robin Murez: lazy or incompetent. 116 00:11:55.620 --> 00:12:03.180 Robin Murez: and I would suggest that what Jay suggested is exactly what should be done, and that is, when 117 00:12:03.880 --> 00:12:21.450 Robin Murez: proper procedures are not followed, the person should be relieved of their duties. So when Jay is not able to put forth a decent budget that is intelligible to a normal human being, he should be removed, and when he puts forth a statement that is completely 118 00:12:21.720 --> 00:12:41.610 Robin Murez: false in his election documents, saying that he's been on the board for 12 years, and is up for reelection for 4. He should be completely dismissed. These are not simple errors. This is just total incompetence or purposeful misinformation. 119 00:12:44.180 --> 00:12:50.140 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Robin. Last, but not least, we have colony, W. And with colony will close public comment. 120 00:12:53.320 --> 00:12:58.610 Kalani W: There was a time when neighborhood councils had professional meeting minute takers. 121 00:12:58.620 --> 00:13:17.330 Kalani W: The Secretary was not responsible for meeting minutes, because it is difficult to participate in active discussion while taking me minute notes. And this is before zoom, and everything being recorded, I've been pushing bunk for to return to more detailed 122 00:13:17.330 --> 00:13:37.200 Kalani W: minutes of meetings because their record and they provide a roadmap to future neighborhood councils, and I believe that they've watered it down so that Neighborhood Council members can't get blame for things, and things can be swept under the rug. 123 00:13:37.280 --> 00:13:45.940 Kalani W: I do not blame the secretary. I do blame the system, and I've been attending bunk meetings and trying to change it. 124 00:13:46.020 --> 00:13:56.750 Kalani W: so that we have professional meeting minute takers at our meetings. Maybe not all committee meetings, but at General Assembly meetings. Thank you. 125 00:13:57.340 --> 00:14:00.590 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. With that you will close public comment. 126 00:14:01.620 --> 00:14:09.270 jim murez: Okay. 127 00:14:09.660 --> 00:14:10.580 jim murez: Yes. 128 00:14:10.890 --> 00:14:11.840 Vicki Halliday: thank you. 129 00:14:19.160 --> 00:14:21.630 jim murez: It's here. So where are we seeing it? 130 00:14:26.520 --> 00:14:27.100 So 131 00:14:31.960 --> 00:14:32.860 jim murez: Hmm. 132 00:14:43.030 --> 00:14:43.830 jim murez: How's that 133 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:45.250 Vicki Halliday: perfect? Thank you. 134 00:14:47.800 --> 00:14:49.670 It was Also. 135 00:15:00.020 --> 00:15:01.560 I'll see us here. 136 00:15:07.030 --> 00:15:11.360 robertthibodeau: It's getting off easy, and this wasn't really. 137 00:15:11.460 --> 00:15:13.740 robertthibodeau: you know, like 60. In fact. 138 00:15:17.050 --> 00:15:17.670 hmm. 139 00:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.320 jim murez: If your name is wrong. We wouldn't have to deal with you. Right? 140 00:15:22.670 --> 00:15:33.170 robertthibodeau: Okay, Does anybody else have a comment, Robert, You have a comment. Yeah. So I apologize for letting my financial training lapse. 141 00:15:33.970 --> 00:15:35.400 robertthibodeau: You know there's 142 00:15:35.500 --> 00:15:44.190 robertthibodeau: I had been notified in the past. I had always been notified by what is it, bonk or in power, one of those when it had come up 143 00:15:44.330 --> 00:15:51.760 robertthibodeau: this one I didn't get notified for, and when I did get notified I took care of it the next day. But you know. 144 00:15:51.840 --> 00:15:54.980 robertthibodeau: I guess from now on i'll be checking 145 00:15:55.260 --> 00:15:58.410 robertthibodeau: my Angelina site and making sure I got it. 146 00:15:58.420 --> 00:16:00.280 robertthibodeau: you know, in advance. 147 00:16:00.520 --> 00:16:06.170 robertthibodeau: And yeah, I apologize if this is even necessary. My, my bad. 148 00:16:06.440 --> 00:16:10.230 robertthibodeau: it is, I have re-upt it. So it is good. Now. 149 00:16:10.380 --> 00:16:13.610 robertthibodeau: sorry about that. Thank you. I support this motion 150 00:16:14.990 --> 00:16:16.990 jim murez: Any other 151 00:16:17.030 --> 00:16:18.360 jim murez: committee comment. 152 00:16:20.660 --> 00:16:22.190 jim murez: Let's take a vote. 153 00:16:24.630 --> 00:16:27.460 jim murez: I will vote. Yes. 154 00:16:27.480 --> 00:16:28.480 Daffodil Tyminski: yes. 155 00:16:29.420 --> 00:16:32.230 jim murez: Jake. Yes, Picky. 156 00:16:32.580 --> 00:16:33.320 Vicki Halliday: Yep. 157 00:16:33.930 --> 00:16:35.630 jim murez: Yes. 158 00:16:38.990 --> 00:16:41.240 Jim Robb: Here, Jim, Rob. Yes. 159 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:42.870 jim murez: Jason. 160 00:16:43.590 --> 00:16:44.430 Jason Sugars: Yes. 161 00:16:44.890 --> 00:16:46.500 Alley Bean: Ali 162 00:16:47.240 --> 00:16:48.970 jim murez: guys not here, Mike. 163 00:16:49.310 --> 00:16:50.830 Mike Bravo: Yeah. Yes. 164 00:16:51.020 --> 00:16:53.970 CJ Cole: So that it's not here. Cj. 165 00:16:54.940 --> 00:16:58.720 jim murez: Robert. Yes, Clark 166 00:16:59.890 --> 00:17:01.080 jim murez: to kill. 167 00:17:01.510 --> 00:17:03.320 jim murez: He's calling Patrick. 168 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:05.079 Patrick McKinley: Yes. 169 00:17:05.520 --> 00:17:08.390 Jim Robb: I have a picture of now. Please. 170 00:17:11.250 --> 00:17:13.839 Jim Robb: Motion carries 13 0 0. 171 00:17:14.980 --> 00:17:20.520 Jim Robb: Vnc. Financial. 172 00:17:22.079 --> 00:17:23.329 Jim Robb: We once a second 173 00:17:23.339 --> 00:17:24.500 Alley Bean: I'll second it 174 00:17:25.349 --> 00:17:26.760 Jim Robb: all right. Here we go. 175 00:17:27.310 --> 00:17:29.500 Alley Bean: therefore 176 00:17:29.660 --> 00:17:38.510 Jim Robb: the Venice Neighborhood Council direct. It's treasurer in conjunction with the Budget Finance Committee to establish and commence regular schedule meetings 177 00:17:38.670 --> 00:17:44.260 Jim Robb: as required by Balk in the City Charter, as well as Budget and Finance Committee. 178 00:17:44.530 --> 00:17:56.710 Jim Robb: Well. we'll define its books of accounts and establish and publish its processes for review. Also, in compliance with Balkan City charter requirements. 179 00:17:58.010 --> 00:18:00.030 Clark Brown: Okay. 180 00:18:01.910 --> 00:18:13.080 jim murez: J: Did you have something that Adc. You had said you wanted to respond to this. You had just simply before we take public comment. I just want to get the other side of this 181 00:18:13.140 --> 00:18:22.230 jay handal: story here. So go ahead. Yeah. So simply. All of that is not true. I I had the department right back to me 182 00:18:22.480 --> 00:18:27.050 jay handal: and let me know that there are no requirements 183 00:18:27.130 --> 00:18:37.930 jay handal: that we have to have regularly scheduled meetings of the Budget and Finance Committee. If there is nothing to discuss. it's not a bunk policy. It's not in the city charter. 184 00:18:38.010 --> 00:18:42.460 jay handal: and as far as to define its books and accounts and establish 185 00:18:42.520 --> 00:18:49.830 jay handal: the fact that it is the city clerk keeps the books. They have it online. Anyone can look at the dashboard. 186 00:18:50.000 --> 00:18:58.960 jay handal: Everything is detailed. Anybody wants to review it. They can go on the city clerk site. It's there under our Neighborhood Council. 187 00:18:58.980 --> 00:19:06.650 jay handal: and there is no requirement to keep for a treasurer to keep books of accounts and establish and publish 188 00:19:06.660 --> 00:19:13.490 jay handal: It's process for review. None of that is a requirement that is a complete 189 00:19:13.540 --> 00:19:18.570 jay handal: and that has been backed up by the city in an email. 190 00:19:19.310 --> 00:19:20.680 jay handal: Okay, thank you. 191 00:19:22.900 --> 00:19:30.030 jim murez: Lisa, you put the motion on the floor here. So you want to take a minute or 2 to 192 00:19:31.500 --> 00:19:33.700 jim murez: start off the discussion. 193 00:19:35.500 --> 00:19:37.760 jim murez: Is she unmuted? 194 00:19:38.450 --> 00:19:40.380 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, Lisa, you should be able to talk. 195 00:19:40.500 --> 00:19:43.030 Lisa Redmond: Yes, please, thank you. 196 00:19:44.110 --> 00:19:55.190 Lisa Redmond: Well, I'd certainly like to see that letter. Unfortunately, I uploaded documents that did say contrary to what they just said, and I also put links that somehow 197 00:19:55.270 --> 00:19:58.520 Lisa Redmond: didn't publish correctly because they were formatted 198 00:19:58.620 --> 00:20:08.330 Lisa Redmond: altogether when the agenda was done. You see them there, that's all that gobbly cook above you. But there were 2 separate ones that are on the done website. 199 00:20:08.480 --> 00:20:14.980 Lisa Redmond: These are bond policy, and the city charter with the 90 plan for 99 neighborhood councils. 200 00:20:15.360 --> 00:20:17.900 Lisa Redmond: I'm not singling out J. 201 00:20:18.050 --> 00:20:25.210 Lisa Redmond: Like the other 2 motions I just did these I shouldn't have to put through this as a motion. This is policy. 202 00:20:25.450 --> 00:20:30.650 Lisa Redmond: I've asked nicely. Other stakeholders have asked nicely, and it's just not being done. 203 00:20:30.690 --> 00:20:32.380 What is 204 00:20:33.780 --> 00:20:36.180 Lisa Redmond: asking for an accounting? 205 00:20:36.290 --> 00:20:47.140 Lisa Redmond: Not everybody has access to the Internet, and that's one of the reasons. I think also things should be available. I know a stakeholder that recently asked to see receipts that 206 00:20:47.170 --> 00:20:50.310 Lisa Redmond: we're in Jay's possession that hadn't been uploaded yet. 207 00:20:50.530 --> 00:20:56.820 Lisa Redmond: and I was told that they needed a Cpr. A. That's not necessary when things should be available for Review. 208 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.400 Lisa Redmond: We don't have an opportunity to question 209 00:21:00.550 --> 00:21:08.740 Lisa Redmond: as stakeholders our community members. The Treasures report because it's just a report. That's also why we need regular meetings. 210 00:21:08.790 --> 00:21:12.360 Lisa Redmond: budget meetings, and so I can't say 211 00:21:12.600 --> 00:21:23.050 Lisa Redmond: otherwise to what he's saying, because I have documents that say otherwise in contrary. So it's nothing personal. I'm just asking for. 212 00:21:23.400 --> 00:21:25.240 Lisa Redmond: and I have asked nicely 213 00:21:25.320 --> 00:21:37.730 Lisa Redmond: before, and it's not getting done, and that's why I finally got to this point where I needed to write a motion. So I hope you would agree to this, like the other 2 motions that we follow policy as stated in the documents. 214 00:21:38.830 --> 00:21:47.910 Lisa Redmond: Thank you. So i'm just wondering if this is something we want to postpone it. Doesn't seem like there's an urgency to it. We know there's going to be a 215 00:21:47.950 --> 00:22:00.650 jim murez: budget meeting shortly after this meeting is Jay has already expressed. I'm thinking that that because we have 2 conflicting opinions about what 216 00:22:00.750 --> 00:22:04.580 jim murez: is and what isn't that maybe we need it. 217 00:22:04.860 --> 00:22:08.930 jim murez: Have those opinions come together and do a little bit of research, and 218 00:22:09.000 --> 00:22:12.220 jim murez: clarify what is and what is not required 219 00:22:12.450 --> 00:22:15.800 jay handal: him for a record. I just sent you a copy of the email. 220 00:22:18.410 --> 00:22:19.550 jim murez: Okay. 221 00:22:20.870 --> 00:22:22.390 jim murez: Is it very short? 222 00:22:22.620 --> 00:22:25.520 jay handal: Yeah, I mean, it's a quick read. 223 00:22:27.550 --> 00:22:30.040 Daffodil Tyminski: I would second a motion to postpone. Jim. 224 00:22:30.300 --> 00:22:47.360 jim murez: Yeah, let's let you know what it it's. It's 1215. Let's not get into the argument at this point. Let's push this off until April, and we'll come back and and have a 225 00:22:47.360 --> 00:23:00.840 Alley Bean: can. I just make a request that Jake, in in the in the spirit of transparency, can that email be sent to the Board? 226 00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:08.150 robertthibodeau: Maybe we could see Lisa's document. 227 00:23:08.250 --> 00:23:09.600 Alley Bean: and then we 228 00:23:09.680 --> 00:23:21.790 jim murez: board@venicenc.org, and sends it out to everybody and Lisa's documents at least, are these your 2 documents right here. I didn't realize that they needed to be separated. But if those are them. 229 00:23:22.360 --> 00:23:23.260 Lisa Redmond: yes. 230 00:23:23.700 --> 00:23:29.670 Lisa Redmond: and I even dictated the exact pages of where they're at. So you don't have to 231 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:32.540 jim murez: let me put them into the hyper like part 232 00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:34.110 jim murez: I can. 233 00:23:35.420 --> 00:23:38.750 jim murez: and then it'll be easier to do with us. 234 00:23:39.230 --> 00:23:40.200 jim murez: This here. 235 00:23:40.300 --> 00:23:43.130 Alley Bean: maybe put the page 5 to Jim, though. 236 00:23:43.220 --> 00:23:46.620 Alley Bean: People like me. 237 00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:57.960 CJ Cole: Hmm. 238 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:21.910 jim murez: Okay. Now, if anybody clicks on the minutes, they'll automatically go to that site 239 00:24:22.370 --> 00:24:25.340 jim murez: and we'll continue until April. 240 00:24:26.610 --> 00:24:37.730 Ivan: Okay. So that gets us through the original agenda. Now we have to go back up to these last 2, 3 h. You you need to take a vote on that. Come 241 00:24:39.070 --> 00:24:41.520 Ivan: motion to both. Well require we do. 242 00:24:41.530 --> 00:24:42.260 Ivan: Yeah. 243 00:24:43.730 --> 00:24:45.050 jim murez: Okay. 244 00:24:46.420 --> 00:24:51.520 Ivan: And be sure that the data is going to come to to postpone until 245 00:24:51.910 --> 00:24:53.040 jim murez: April. 246 00:24:53.110 --> 00:24:56.370 Ivan: Continue to 247 00:24:56.980 --> 00:24:59.010 Ivan: probably what you want. 248 00:24:59.080 --> 00:25:02.400 jim murez: but you want to have the same meeting. I don't care. 249 00:25:02.650 --> 00:25:05.130 Ivan: Well. 250 00:25:05.210 --> 00:25:10.060 what do you want them to do. Drop it off at 3 in the morning somewhere yet, and say where where it's going. 251 00:25:11.180 --> 00:25:14.850 jim murez: Jim is voting. Yes, Daffodil. 252 00:25:14.970 --> 00:25:15.750 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 253 00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:19.040 Clark Brown: Jay, yup. 254 00:25:19.210 --> 00:25:20.810 Ivan: Vicky! Yes. 255 00:25:21.180 --> 00:25:23.000 jim murez: Bruno. Yes. 256 00:25:23.880 --> 00:25:29.200 jim murez: let's see what's not here. Nikka is not here, Jim, Rob. 257 00:25:30.090 --> 00:25:31.260 jim murez: Jason. 258 00:25:31.690 --> 00:25:32.660 Jason Sugars: Yes. 259 00:25:33.050 --> 00:25:34.930 Alley Bean: Ali. 260 00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.750 jim murez: Hi, it's about here. Mike. 261 00:25:38.230 --> 00:25:38.990 Mike Bravo: Yeah. 262 00:25:39.890 --> 00:25:41.100 jim murez: Cj. 263 00:25:41.280 --> 00:25:42.220 CJ Cole: Yes. 264 00:25:42.460 --> 00:25:45.440 jim murez: sorry. I pressed too quickly. Robert. 265 00:25:45.920 --> 00:25:46.840 robertthibodeau: Yes. 266 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:49.630 Clark Brown: Clark. Yes. 267 00:25:50.340 --> 00:25:53.650 jim murez: he's calling Patrick. 268 00:25:54.030 --> 00:25:54.870 Patrick McKinley: Yes. 269 00:25:55.510 --> 00:25:58.070 jim murez: motion carries 13 0 0. Now we can 270 00:25:58.190 --> 00:25:58.900 back out 271 00:26:00.550 --> 00:26:01.510 jim murez: 2. 272 00:26:04.110 --> 00:26:06.740 robertthibodeau: It's 1313 and 14, 273 00:26:07.510 --> 00:26:08.590 yeah. 274 00:26:08.700 --> 00:26:10.130 robertthibodeau: and maybe 15, 275 00:26:10.290 --> 00:26:11.620 Vicki Halliday: 2 or 3 276 00:26:11.910 --> 00:26:18.930 robertthibodeau: yeah, 1314, 15. Can we determine whether the gentleman who tricky's office still in the meeting? 277 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:21.500 jim murez: Yeah, Daffodil. 278 00:26:22.540 --> 00:26:28.370 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah. So Pat Rafael, I I think, was the one interested in 15. 279 00:26:29.020 --> 00:26:42.310 jim murez: Well, he would just wanted to make sure that it was going to be heard. I don't know who took 13 and 14 on that. That was puppet, I think. 280 00:26:42.390 --> 00:26:45.280 Clark Brown: Oh, thank you, Clark. Okay. 281 00:26:45.350 --> 00:26:47.960 jim murez: all right. So let's go ahead and hear this. 282 00:26:48.290 --> 00:26:52.560 Daffodil Tyminski: I just want to say they both mood at this point. 283 00:26:53.770 --> 00:26:56.800 Daffodil Tyminski: or at least Rack has already 284 00:26:57.960 --> 00:27:03.810 Daffodil Tyminski: this 13. As I understand. 285 00:27:03.910 --> 00:27:06.660 jim murez: Robert, you want to go ahead and make the motion. 286 00:27:08.300 --> 00:27:14.470 robertthibodeau: This was 13 plus bus Lane violation enforcement 287 00:27:14.710 --> 00:27:21.820 robertthibodeau: right. So this motion refers to city Council file 2112 24 288 00:27:21.940 --> 00:27:25.040 robertthibodeau: board of officers supports Council file 289 00:27:25.250 --> 00:27:34.020 robertthibodeau: 21 d 1224 regarding Bus Lane violation and enforcement. This was in regards to a rack motion 290 00:27:34.320 --> 00:27:35.820 jim murez: and can we get a second. 291 00:27:36.810 --> 00:27:41.330 Clark Brown: Thank you, Clark. 292 00:27:43.870 --> 00:27:45.970 jim murez: Okay, do we have any public comment. 293 00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:48.190 Ivan: We you. 294 00:27:51.670 --> 00:27:53.960 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa Redmond, Go ahead. 295 00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:00.600 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa. 296 00:28:00.660 --> 00:28:02.610 Lisa Redmond: Oh, I didn't realize it was unmuted. 297 00:28:02.650 --> 00:28:14.820 Lisa Redmond: I was waiting for the pop up. Yeah, much like my earlier comment this evening about I support ice cream at birthday parties. I don't know what we're supporting here. We're just supporting something. Are we supporting it as a Cis. 298 00:28:15.060 --> 00:28:21.420 Lisa Redmond: Are we writing a letter to our Council member? I don't know we're just saying things like we just support this. 299 00:28:22.280 --> 00:28:26.750 Lisa Redmond: We need to figure out what we're supporting. and how or how we're supporting. 300 00:28:28.820 --> 00:28:29.720 robertthibodeau: Right? 301 00:28:29.790 --> 00:28:31.060 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Lisa. 302 00:28:31.840 --> 00:28:33.740 Daffodil Tyminski: Developer. Go ahead. 303 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:39.760 - ni developer: Oh, or 304 00:28:40.030 --> 00:28:41.480 - ni developer: hold on! He's a sweet. 305 00:28:43.350 --> 00:28:46.210 - ni developer: You're right on the top now. 306 00:28:46.820 --> 00:28:49.970 - ni developer: Yes. wow, okay. How 307 00:28:50.310 --> 00:28:51.480 - ni developer: well go ahead 308 00:28:51.540 --> 00:28:52.280 now. 309 00:28:52.720 --> 00:29:00.240 - ni developer: It's only 1220. I thought we were going to start this at 1 30 in the we off topic. Could you please get on topic? 310 00:29:00.340 --> 00:29:12.380 - ni developer: Yes, human. Oh, you're still there. Good! Good to see. My losers are there? So of course we don't like this camera thing. You could take pictures. 311 00:29:12.610 --> 00:29:17.600 - ni developer: but when i'm in the bucket when i'm in the bus Lane and i'm speeding down the bus lane 312 00:29:17.840 --> 00:29:24.170 - ni developer: because i'm busy, and I do not want to go home and see a large ticket. 313 00:29:24.370 --> 00:29:27.640 - ni developer: because some fucking camera took my photo. 314 00:29:27.800 --> 00:29:30.280 - ni developer: I'm not the reason I sold this. 315 00:29:30.580 --> 00:29:35.790 - ni developer: If you start here it'll be every intersection, every corner. 316 00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:37.580 And we don't want that 317 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:41.470 - ni developer: gamble, I said, because Jim drives like an old lady. 318 00:29:42.030 --> 00:29:43.620 so i'm against it. 319 00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:46.160 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. 320 00:29:47.740 --> 00:29:49.400 Daffodil Tyminski: Jill Crosby, go ahead. 321 00:29:51.490 --> 00:30:00.220 Jill Crosby: Thanks. I'm against this. Not necessarily because it's hyper Big Brother, but because it's 322 00:30:00.340 --> 00:30:12.700 Jill Crosby: again, it's establishing a way to ticket a certain percentage of constituents, whilst allowing another percentage of constituents to just go 323 00:30:12.930 --> 00:30:13.910 Jill Crosby: rogue. 324 00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:25.230 Jill Crosby: And so I think what it does is it really sets people apart. It sets people up against each other. I just. I don't even understand why we would consider putting something in to 325 00:30:25.480 --> 00:30:31.980 Jill Crosby: a violation when we're not enforcing most most other violations. So i'm against it things. 326 00:30:33.140 --> 00:30:34.110 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. 327 00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:41.800 Daffodil Tyminski: We have Colony W. And Erica Moore, and after Erica we'll close public comment. Go ahead, Connie. 328 00:30:43.710 --> 00:31:00.640 Kalani W: I'm. Against this for 2 reasons. It was already passed by downtown La Council, January twentieth, of 2,023. I'm. Also against it, because i'm against dedicated bus lanes. As I said earlier, 22 people 329 00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:18.530 Kalani W: have died on our buses, and our Metro trains due to overdose and file play. Fewer people are riding our buses and our trains because of danger, and because immobility is the wave of the future. 330 00:31:18.600 --> 00:31:19.900 Kalani W: And 331 00:31:19.980 --> 00:31:25.420 Kalani W: so I oppose this, and I think that dedicated bus lanes and 332 00:31:25.570 --> 00:31:28.420 Kalani W: our waste of taxpayer dollars. 333 00:31:28.460 --> 00:31:35.200 Kalani W: and this is Big Brother. But we lost that argument because it's already past downtown. La, thank you. 334 00:31:35.670 --> 00:31:36.640 Daffodil Tyminski: thank you. 335 00:31:38.800 --> 00:31:42.320 Daffodil Tyminski: And last, but not least, Erica more. Go ahead, Erica. 336 00:31:43.530 --> 00:31:53.510 Erica Moore: That's right, because it's more. I'm just kidding. 337 00:31:53.520 --> 00:31:56.440 robertthibodeau: Okay, i'm just going to keep it brief. 338 00:31:56.830 --> 00:32:03.060 Erica Moore: totally against those dedicated bus lines, and i'm absolutely against any kind of camera enforcing period. 339 00:32:03.280 --> 00:32:06.780 Ivan: whether it's for buses or any other kind of enforcement 340 00:32:07.010 --> 00:32:09.280 Erica Moore: totally against it. Thank you. 341 00:32:12.030 --> 00:32:14.890 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Okay, With that, Jim, we can close public comments. 342 00:32:15.330 --> 00:32:17.920 jim murez: Do you have any committee comment to me of your hands up? 343 00:32:18.510 --> 00:32:22.330 Jim Robb: Yes, I was in court at 30'clock today in Santa Monica for 344 00:32:22.420 --> 00:32:26.580 Jim Robb: a the moving violation from a Culver City camera. 345 00:32:27.060 --> 00:32:33.830 Jim Robb: So therefore, I will be voting against anything that takes my picture anywhere on any streets. 346 00:32:34.060 --> 00:32:35.800 Jim Robb: Sorry, Robert. 347 00:32:38.650 --> 00:32:54.370 jim murez: Okay. Just so long as we all understand this is for parking violations. If you park your car in a designated bus line during the hours that the buses need to be traveling in there to improve transportation and mobility throughout the entire city. 348 00:32:54.790 --> 00:33:02.120 jim murez: The automatic camera would be mounted on the bus, and not require parking enforcement to come by and ticket you. 349 00:33:02.490 --> 00:33:08.970 jim murez: In other words, it reduces the cost of parking enforcement by allowing the bus driver to be the automated ticket. 350 00:33:10.410 --> 00:33:11.900 jim murez: Having said that 351 00:33:12.040 --> 00:33:25.770 jim murez: because it doesn't say that clearly here, but it does in the Council motion how you have your hand up. It's just curious, Robert has it. Has this indeed already passed downtown. So is this a move vote? Vote, anyway? Yeah, Again, we were. 352 00:33:25.770 --> 00:33:37.840 robertthibodeau: We All our emotions is why we had so many Ptc motions. They kind of got stuck in the pipeline, and so this might have already passed. I think we might have heard this in January. 353 00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:39.720 robertthibodeau: and 354 00:33:40.130 --> 00:33:54.650 robertthibodeau: again it was probably something that was sent to us. So, then is our vote moot. Is there any point recording? It probably is pretty moot, right? So it still allows us to file a community impact statement. If we want to. Yeah 355 00:33:55.680 --> 00:34:08.460 jim murez: it it. We go on record as having supported it. So if it comes up in the future, we go on record. Having said that we support the the the motion, or we can go on record as not supporting it 356 00:34:08.650 --> 00:34:09.800 robertthibodeau: correct. 357 00:34:09.810 --> 00:34:14.940 jim murez: You know we can. We can vote either way, and it will be part of the permanent public record. 358 00:34:15.650 --> 00:34:18.350 Alley Bean: Okay. But this was passed in January 359 00:34:19.510 --> 00:34:20.820 Daffodil Tyminski: by the city council. 360 00:34:24.420 --> 00:34:28.239 robertthibodeau: That that's that. That sounds right. I think we were trying to get 361 00:34:28.330 --> 00:34:31.940 robertthibodeau: a statement on prior to them 362 00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.429 robertthibodeau: here. He I think 363 00:34:35.159 --> 00:34:37.960 robertthibodeau: that that that was the timing originally. But 364 00:34:39.330 --> 00:34:45.300 jim murez: okay, so let's let's take a vote on this at this point with we've gone through the process. 365 00:34:47.580 --> 00:34:48.260 Okay. 366 00:34:48.659 --> 00:34:51.900 Daffodil Tyminski: i'm gonna go ahead and vote. Yes. 367 00:34:52.790 --> 00:34:54.650 jay handal: Jay, No. 368 00:34:56.080 --> 00:34:57.640 Vicki Halliday: Vicki. Yes. 369 00:34:59.030 --> 00:35:00.920 jim murez: Bruno. Yes. 370 00:35:03.040 --> 00:35:04.640 jim murez: because my your chip Rob. 371 00:35:04.680 --> 00:35:05.420 Jim Robb: No. 372 00:35:07.630 --> 00:35:08.690 jim murez: Jason. 373 00:35:09.410 --> 00:35:10.540 Jason Sugars: No 374 00:35:11.690 --> 00:35:12.560 jim murez: Alli. 375 00:35:12.900 --> 00:35:15.830 Alley Bean: I I think. No, I don't. 376 00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:18.750 jim murez: Hi here, Mike. 377 00:35:19.590 --> 00:35:20.430 Mike Bravo: now. 378 00:35:21.290 --> 00:35:23.160 jim murez: so it is your Cj. 379 00:35:23.190 --> 00:35:24.090 CJ Cole: Oh. 380 00:35:25.430 --> 00:35:26.360 jim murez: Robert. 381 00:35:27.290 --> 00:35:29.080 robertthibodeau: i'll vote Yes. 382 00:35:30.050 --> 00:35:31.620 Clark Brown: yes. 383 00:35:37.050 --> 00:35:38.670 jim murez: so 384 00:35:38.810 --> 00:35:40.910 7 6 0. 385 00:35:41.690 --> 00:35:53.970 jay handal: So the motion passes, and and Jim for the record. Yes, that that already passed on January eighteenth, 1103 at City Council. 386 00:35:54.330 --> 00:35:56.670 jay handal: It was adopted. Thank you. 387 00:35:58.600 --> 00:36:03.490 jim murez: The interactive kiosk program, Robert. This is a parking and transportation. One. 388 00:36:05.730 --> 00:36:06.780 robertthibodeau: Okay. 389 00:36:07.780 --> 00:36:20.840 robertthibodeau: The motion refers to City Council file 22 dash 1 1 5 4 B and C. Ptc. Recommended v in Venice and see, oppose 390 00:36:21.290 --> 00:36:26.340 robertthibodeau: the Ike program as what is the 391 00:36:26.470 --> 00:36:36.610 robertthibodeau: as presented in Council file 22 dash 1 1 5 4. For the following reasons: there is no local competitive bidding process. This 392 00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:41.090 robertthibodeau: project needs to financial at analysis all that 393 00:36:41.980 --> 00:36:54.030 robertthibodeau: as it is using public space to generate revenue, this project has negative environmental impacts. There is no environmental review Sqa. This project creates visual pollution and takes away 394 00:36:54.190 --> 00:36:57.190 robertthibodeau: space on sidewalk. You can be for trees. 395 00:36:57.460 --> 00:37:04.340 robertthibodeau: This project is sorts of driver distraction which is contrary to the city's vision 0 policy. 396 00:37:05.120 --> 00:37:06.940 jim murez: We get a second on that. 397 00:37:08.010 --> 00:37:09.600 Daffodil Tyminski: It's definitely a second. 398 00:37:09.750 --> 00:37:11.530 jim murez: Thank you that though. 399 00:37:12.190 --> 00:37:18.230 Ivan: before you start, the first sentence needs to be changed. 400 00:37:18.510 --> 00:37:22.370 Ivan: You have to take out the reference to PC. 401 00:37:24.190 --> 00:37:30.090 Ivan: It should start with the Venice and see it poses the Ik program Blah blah, blah blah. 402 00:37:31.670 --> 00:37:36.060 Ivan: So we don't put committee recommendations into a Cis. 403 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:39.440 jim murez: Thank you. 404 00:37:39.830 --> 00:37:40.650 Ivan: Okay. 405 00:37:45.140 --> 00:37:49.650 jim murez: The person that pulled this off was code. Anybody. Remember 406 00:37:50.160 --> 00:37:54.390 jim murez: it? It seems like this was, Go, good buffet. Is he still here? 407 00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:55.230 robertthibodeau: Yes. 408 00:37:56.570 --> 00:37:58.960 jim murez: the can we take part of the comment? 409 00:37:59.230 --> 00:38:02.640 Daffodil Tyminski: Sure. Joe Crosby, go ahead. 410 00:38:04.020 --> 00:38:11.700 Jill Crosby: I agree that this is an unnecessary project, and I think we have a lot more to address than this currently. Thank you. 411 00:38:14.010 --> 00:38:15.750 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa Redmond, Go ahead. 412 00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:23.130 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa. 413 00:38:23.410 --> 00:38:28.260 Lisa Redmond: I was waiting. I'm sorry I was waiting for the Pop up menu just unmute. 414 00:38:29.470 --> 00:38:39.840 Lisa Redmond: I don't I sound like a broken record here, but kind of my point earlier in those other motions is we're not following the procedure. And so if somebody went back to look at this historically. 415 00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:45.150 Lisa Redmond: I i'm not sure what we're doing other than we see a vote. So when we say we have, we. 416 00:38:45.390 --> 00:38:55.360 Lisa Redmond: we vote for this, or we support this, or we oppose this. What are we doing with it? Why, how difficult is it to add the words we support this, and we'll add a cis. 417 00:38:55.960 --> 00:39:02.180 Lisa Redmond: We I don't want to sound like Liz right here, but motions are coming up all the time very poorly written. 418 00:39:02.190 --> 00:39:03.250 Lisa Redmond: and 419 00:39:03.690 --> 00:39:07.980 Lisa Redmond: I just it's not that hard to add what we're doing to the most. 420 00:39:08.170 --> 00:39:09.130 Lisa Redmond: Thank you. 421 00:39:09.350 --> 00:39:13.290 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Colony W. Go ahead. 422 00:39:17.130 --> 00:39:20.620 Kalani W: This one Hasn't been voted on yet in downtown. La. 423 00:39:20.740 --> 00:39:25.500 Kalani W: I do support Banning these kiosks 424 00:39:25.540 --> 00:39:42.790 Kalani W: marketing tools. I come from a State the State of Hawaii. If you have been there, we do not allow billboards in our free ways. We do not allow our people to be inundated with marketing, and this is another tool. 425 00:39:42.790 --> 00:39:46.390 Kalani W: They want to market you while you're at the bus. Stop. 426 00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:54.410 Kalani W: and they want to justify the the kiosk being paid by the marketer. 427 00:39:54.510 --> 00:39:59.250 Kalani W: You know we waste billions on the homeless. 428 00:39:59.260 --> 00:40:09.920 Kalani W: and none of our 5013, C's are audited, they just say, oh, I helped one homeless person. Yes, they still get millions and grants. 429 00:40:10.010 --> 00:40:20.310 Kalani W: The city should start funding these things. The city should start improving our streets instead of relying on developers to piecemeal our streets. 430 00:40:20.470 --> 00:40:21.500 Kalani W: Thank you. 431 00:40:21.520 --> 00:40:22.840 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Colony. 432 00:40:23.020 --> 00:40:25.730 Daffodil Tyminski: Go ahead. 433 00:40:27.500 --> 00:40:38.480 Erica Moore: I'm absolutely opposed to things like that. I think it's extremely distracting. People already distracted enough as it is with their phones and other things that are going on. So 434 00:40:38.750 --> 00:40:39.920 I say, no. 435 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:43.980 Daffodil Tyminski: thank you, Erica 436 00:40:46.940 --> 00:40:48.790 Developer, Go ahead. 437 00:40:49.640 --> 00:40:50.760 - ni developer: Yes. 438 00:40:51.030 --> 00:40:54.830 - ni developer: and of course Jim tried to slide that past us. 439 00:40:54.920 --> 00:41:03.350 - ni developer: but I pulled it. and I waited patiently. Yeah. and we hate this motion, and we heat everything about it. 440 00:41:04.700 --> 00:41:10.270 - ni developer: We hate digital billboards, Don't. We? And this is just 441 00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:14.580 - ni developer: 8 foot digital billboards in miniature form. 442 00:41:15.110 --> 00:41:20.610 - ni developer: They want to put hundreds of thousands of them. And you know who really like them. 443 00:41:20.850 --> 00:41:26.780 - ni developer: Bob believe in boiled of the third District. Yes, he he loves these. 444 00:41:27.140 --> 00:41:35.570 - ni developer: and, of course, who wouldn't love them on the city Council. Yes. but I would support it on one measure. 445 00:41:36.100 --> 00:41:39.160 - ni developer: Yes. if they would advertise 446 00:41:39.230 --> 00:41:49.220 - ni developer: where all the prostitutes are, then I might change my mind, but they won't do that now. They'll they'll put ads with cereals and things like that. 447 00:41:49.330 --> 00:41:51.250 - ni developer: So go. 448 00:41:53.850 --> 00:41:56.620 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Shawn O'brien, go ahead. 449 00:41:57.530 --> 00:42:07.950 Sean Obrien: I believe i'm correct that I support the motion because i'm against the kiosk. I believe I was at this meeting, and we talked about vandalism 450 00:42:07.980 --> 00:42:11.850 Sean Obrien: and damage and destruction of these things 451 00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:14.710 Sean Obrien: that's going to render them unusable. 452 00:42:14.900 --> 00:42:18.820 Sean Obrien: and I was sad to see that it wasn't in the motion. Thank you. 453 00:42:22.040 --> 00:42:24.660 Daffodil Tyminski: Robin Mueres, go ahead. 454 00:42:26.150 --> 00:42:36.270 Robin Murez: Hi! So I brought this to the Transportation Committee. It was suggested to me by someone else in the community and 455 00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:46.930 Robin Murez: a Robin Rud. So I think his party to a lawsuit against the city for this, and we have to thank her diligently for such. 456 00:42:47.020 --> 00:43:04.840 Robin Murez: The what they're doing is even beyond. You know what we're realizing. They they want to put a lot of these in Venice, and they want to put a lot of these on bus station on bus kiosks in Venice. Meanwhile, they're not putting up the what if we call those bus coverings? I'm sorry I'm tired 457 00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:22.290 Robin Murez: in the parts of town where people even take the bus more so there! A lot of really insidious aspects to this, but the blight, the danger that the digital billboards cause that horrendous one that's right At the intersection of Abbott Kenny and 458 00:43:22.290 --> 00:43:26.790 Main Street has always driven me crazy, and one day, if it's cut down. 459 00:43:26.830 --> 00:43:28.070 Robin Murez: don't blame me. 460 00:43:31.030 --> 00:43:36.690 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay and last, we have Pat Raphael. When with Pat, we'll close public comment. 461 00:43:37.580 --> 00:43:40.240 PatRaphael: I'm glad she mentioned the one that's 462 00:43:40.570 --> 00:43:42.590 PatRaphael: on Abbott Kenny, in 463 00:43:44.030 --> 00:43:55.950 PatRaphael: Maine and Brooks, where all that meet over there. I just was wondering if that's in the same character as to what we're trying to add It's gonna be more of those. 464 00:43:56.070 --> 00:44:00.000 PatRaphael: because those aren't necessarily digital over there. It's just lit up a little bit. 465 00:44:00.320 --> 00:44:02.740 PatRaphael: So just for clarification. 466 00:44:06.680 --> 00:44:09.640 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, thank you. So close public comment. 467 00:44:14.050 --> 00:44:31.110 robertthibodeau: Okay, let's go to the hands. Yeah. So a vote for this is a vote against the kiosks. Just. There seems to be confusion on that, and and I agree that we should have had Cis there. There seems to be some sort of 468 00:44:31.970 --> 00:44:37.350 robertthibodeau: translating thing that's going on here. We should have had Cs at the beginning. 469 00:44:37.730 --> 00:44:43.840 robertthibodeau: and a vote for this is against the kiosks. So that's all I want to say. 470 00:44:43.950 --> 00:44:46.020 jim murez: Thank you, Patrick. Give your hand up. 471 00:44:46.030 --> 00:44:54.280 Patrick McKinley: Yeah, I I just want to say, I think there's a lot of misinformation on what these kiosks do and what their capability is floating around right now before make a vote. 472 00:44:54.320 --> 00:45:09.540 Patrick McKinley: And for those that have actually traveled. The city of Berkeley uses this system, so does the city of Houston. So does the city of Atlanta uses the system with the city. The system actually provides is a wavefinding device located inside of the bus shelter. 473 00:45:09.540 --> 00:45:26.940 Patrick McKinley: as well as in the other key areas that allows people to find their way from point a to point B. Using public transportation, both bike and riled, ride hair and services. Additionally, what these systems do is they have an integrated emergency device in it that allows the city to 474 00:45:27.950 --> 00:45:33.580 Patrick McKinley: to inform this form residence. When flood events happen when earthquakes happen. 475 00:45:33.730 --> 00:45:36.080 Patrick McKinley: they are work off the grid. 476 00:45:36.160 --> 00:45:50.040 Patrick McKinley: They are powered They also have a de-stress device. So those that are in danger can go and push the emergency button just like on college campuses. In case you know they're going to be raped, or they're going to be assaulted in the area, and it calls the police. 477 00:45:50.150 --> 00:46:02.660 Patrick McKinley: So I I think it's kind of a big leap to say we're not going to support something ahead of the Olympics that provides a way. Find the device provides a distress, advice for people to get support and get a help 478 00:46:02.660 --> 00:46:21.480 Patrick McKinley: to find out where they are in the city, and also, by the way, it is targeted locally. The advertisements on it are open to local businesses. They they provide equal opportunity to local and small business in the area. And my understanding is, it's a private partnership development which is paid for and 479 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:36.160 Patrick McKinley: brings in a revenue stream to the city. So I think we need to be more informed before we say, hey, this is no, it's ugly, I think what we should be doing as a board is saying, how do we shape this to make it better for our community? Do we demand that the city has them put into shelter? 480 00:46:36.160 --> 00:46:48.840 Patrick McKinley: Do we demand that they have shade and cover it on them? Yes, do we say that we have a want to have a say where they go and where they are ahead of the Olympics, or do we just say, Fight back and say, No, not in my backyard again. 481 00:46:50.570 --> 00:46:52.640 jim murez: Thank you, Patrick Mike, you have your hand up. 482 00:46:53.910 --> 00:47:01.200 Mike Bravo: Yeah, I just wanna remind people to just like skateboarding. Venice is also a Mecca for graffiti. 483 00:47:01.230 --> 00:47:03.180 Mike Bravo: Those things in the last 3 days in here. 484 00:47:03.870 --> 00:47:13.370 Mike Bravo: maybe for a select season may like, if we did the Olympics here, and like, maybe like the X amount of months before and after for that, you know, momentarily. But that's about it 485 00:47:13.420 --> 00:47:28.290 Mike Bravo: really not going to last at all. Also. I think about visual pollution. I think about those those signs up on what Westminster Elementary School and some of the school deb levels banner and advertisements there, too. So maybe on the 486 00:47:28.600 --> 00:47:31.180 Mike Bravo: visual pollution 487 00:47:31.380 --> 00:47:34.700 Mike Bravo: topic, maybe we can address those later as well. That's it. 488 00:47:35.040 --> 00:47:36.990 jim murez: Thank you, Jay. You have your hand up 489 00:47:39.090 --> 00:47:46.170 jay handal: yeah real quick. If you If you go to West Hollywood. They have the electronic bus stops electronic 490 00:47:46.260 --> 00:47:58.200 jay handal: billboards. I I looked at them for my business in West Hollywood. I will tell you they are not affordable. They are very expensive, and only big companies end up grabbing them up 491 00:47:58.510 --> 00:48:17.960 jay handal: and they grab them all up. That's number one number 2. They light up really bright at night. So when you're driving down the street, it is a distraction, and i'm not against billboards. I I buy billboards from my businesses, but I have to tell you the electronic ones that are in West Hollywood. If there are anything, if these are going to be anything like them. 492 00:48:17.980 --> 00:48:32.290 jay handal: it could be an issue, but more importantly, going back to being a Budget committee member, you know, to the Budget advocates and all the years of watching the old Viacom to Co. Profit sharing. 493 00:48:32.340 --> 00:48:45.440 jay handal: No, the city didn't make the money. They said they were gonna make. The profits never happened when it was supposed to happen. The city didn't get the revenue they were supposed to get, and the streets got obliterated with furniture. 494 00:48:45.580 --> 00:48:51.840 jay handal: Okay, so I will tell you that it West. La, When Bill Rosen Dole 495 00:48:51.870 --> 00:49:01.040 jay handal: was alive, and he was our Council member, and they were putting the furniture in my neighborhood Council made a deal with him because he wanted X amount of furniture in. 496 00:49:01.050 --> 00:49:08.420 jay handal: because what you might find out is that every Council district does a 50 50 share on revenues with the city 497 00:49:08.550 --> 00:49:11.590 jay handal: and the and the district gets it in their slush. But 498 00:49:11.790 --> 00:49:23.960 jay handal: and my neighborhood Council made a deal with CD. 11 to get a piece of their money to help them find places to put it. And then they did. Our advertising, built our 499 00:49:24.120 --> 00:49:28.140 jay handal: the 3 whole flags and everything. My point is. 500 00:49:28.170 --> 00:49:36.150 jay handal: there's more to it. There's there's money to be made. The city never comes out well, because the city a horrible business people 501 00:49:36.190 --> 00:49:55.720 jay handal: and quite frankly the looms on these things. If they're not control. They're really bright at night, and I would urge all of you to get down Santa Monica Boulevard from Robertson all the way down to Las Vegas at night and see what they look like. And then you could make a 502 00:49:55.740 --> 00:50:01.670 jay handal: a a pretty informed decision about how you feel about the blight of that light 503 00:50:01.690 --> 00:50:04.320 jay handal: and the advertising in your district. 504 00:50:04.330 --> 00:50:09.280 Alley Bean: and I move that we take a vote, Jim. It's quarter of one. 505 00:50:09.620 --> 00:50:17.440 Daffodil Tyminski: I was actually gonna ask how time sensitive this is, and to see whether we could continue this as well. Because 506 00:50:17.620 --> 00:50:24.150 Alley Bean: if this is what i'm thinking it is, I've seen these in cities before, and I think they're being misrepresented here. 507 00:50:24.330 --> 00:50:28.240 Daffodil Tyminski: It's more like an interactive 508 00:50:28.330 --> 00:50:36.240 Daffodil Tyminski: map, and you can like touch screen and see what the local restaurants are. And you get a map of the area, and there's like a wi-fi hotspot on it. 509 00:50:36.470 --> 00:50:46.400 Alley Bean: and I make a move that we get. We continue it. Then. Yeah, I. So that's why i'm kind of curious how time sensitive this is, so we can find out more about it, because 510 00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:51.230 robertthibodeau: we'd have to look it up. Let's look up the the Council file and see when the vote is. 511 00:50:52.050 --> 00:50:54.680 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, it was on it now, and I don't see. 512 00:50:55.080 --> 00:51:11.130 jim murez: Okay, why don't we do that. And and, Robert, if you could do that, we can go on to the next item. We'll come back to here because we only have one more item after this, and I know Pat Patrick has been waiting for a long time. Let's do that. We'll come back here. If you guys can lower your hands. We'll come back to the other 513 00:51:11.170 --> 00:51:20.820 jim murez: to item 14 in a minute. Can somebody read this motion into? Oh, let's see, this is homeless. But, Vicki, do you want to do this or 514 00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:23.190 Vicki Halliday: let me get what 515 00:51:27.220 --> 00:51:32.210 Vicki Halliday: it's on the screen there. Yeah, I was just waiting for you to move your cursor. 516 00:51:32.800 --> 00:51:40.680 Vicki Halliday: the board of officers since a letter to CD. 11, requesting that service providers, such as Saint Joseph's Spy Path. 517 00:51:40.750 --> 00:51:52.450 Vicki Halliday: Opcc. The Circle team, etc., explore the viability of becoming community service to neighbors who seek to use community assistance parking program. 518 00:51:53.110 --> 00:51:54.810 jim murez: Can we get a second on that. 519 00:51:59.830 --> 00:52:00.850 jim murez: somebody? 520 00:52:05.370 --> 00:52:09.150 Jason Sugars: I'll second it, Jason Sugars? Thank you. Jason 521 00:52:15.890 --> 00:52:17.660 jim murez: is Patrick still here. 522 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:32.760 jim murez: You want to go ahead, and and you you want to take like 2 or 3 min, and just describe to us what this is all about. I know it came before the homeless committee, and I know you were very involved in getting it on their agenda. 523 00:52:32.890 --> 00:52:37.900 jim murez: Why, don't you take a couple of minutes and just to explain what you have in mind here. 524 00:52:38.130 --> 00:52:42.580 PatRaphael: Okay, so real quickly. I want to point out that 525 00:52:42.690 --> 00:52:44.360 PatRaphael: there is a 526 00:52:45.680 --> 00:52:58.620 PatRaphael: an assistance available for low income. Individuals who qualify that they can do community service in lieu of payment for parking tickets. 527 00:52:58.770 --> 00:53:01.480 PatRaphael: Right? So the cap program 528 00:53:01.510 --> 00:53:12.140 PatRaphael: that's what it's called community system parking program is basically in availability for any low income person to serve 529 00:53:12.880 --> 00:53:19.750 PatRaphael: in lieu of paying tickets. So it doesn't say that you get to live in your car. It doesn't 530 00:53:19.900 --> 00:53:26.540 PatRaphael: it's it's none of that. It's it's just a way to to clear out your parking ticket. 531 00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:28.110 PatRaphael: and since 532 00:53:29.020 --> 00:53:31.720 housing in Venice, is, it's 533 00:53:32.070 --> 00:53:33.280 PatRaphael: it's in such 534 00:53:34.520 --> 00:53:36.170 PatRaphael: scarcity that 535 00:53:36.590 --> 00:53:41.420 PatRaphael: out of I was saying this earlier, out of all of the bad options available. 536 00:53:41.460 --> 00:53:45.840 PatRaphael: living in a vehicle is a bad option. That kind of is the best. 537 00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:47.730 PatRaphael: especially a night like tonight. 538 00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:59.170 PatRaphael: when it's cold and rainy right. Many people who have a vehicle to live in are very thankful to have it so. What we in the Homeless Committee were considering. 539 00:53:59.200 --> 00:54:02.510 PatRaphael: we were considering that if a whole bunch of people 540 00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:04.480 PatRaphael: lost their vehicles 541 00:54:04.610 --> 00:54:08.580 PatRaphael: because they had tickets that they couldn't answer to. 542 00:54:08.900 --> 00:54:16.190 PatRaphael: And all of these folks ended up on the streets. This would be a multiplication of a problem we're already dealing with. 543 00:54:16.520 --> 00:54:18.290 PatRaphael: So what we were saying is. 544 00:54:18.330 --> 00:54:25.930 PatRaphael: what can we do to help people who otherwise have legal? Because there's a lot of hoops to jump through 545 00:54:26.150 --> 00:54:26.960 PatRaphael: to 546 00:54:27.380 --> 00:54:32.960 PatRaphael: be able to qualify for this. So otherwise have legal functioning vehicles. 547 00:54:33.450 --> 00:54:36.690 So we're not talking about problem our vs. We're not talking about 548 00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:39.000 PatRaphael: vehicles that 549 00:54:39.070 --> 00:54:40.490 PatRaphael: or otherwise 550 00:54:40.980 --> 00:54:49.420 PatRaphael: not registered right. So if the vehicle qualifies. they will be able to participate in the Cap program. 551 00:54:49.450 --> 00:54:52.170 PatRaphael: Now, once you are oh. 552 00:54:52.650 --> 00:54:55.700 PatRaphael: approved to be in the Cap program. 553 00:54:55.780 --> 00:54:59.560 PatRaphael: There is no service providers in the West Side 554 00:54:59.610 --> 00:55:04.950 PatRaphael: for you to really do your community service. So this is what this motion was trying to address. 555 00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:08.630 PatRaphael: We were not telling these folks that we named 556 00:55:08.750 --> 00:55:11.740 PatRaphael: to become service providers. 557 00:55:11.780 --> 00:55:17.220 PatRaphael: We're simply asking them to explore the viability of whether 558 00:55:17.540 --> 00:55:26.810 PatRaphael: receiving this kind of service from these folks who are working out of their tickets would be something that could help their organization 559 00:55:26.820 --> 00:55:30.320 PatRaphael: and some of the pluses we're thinking about. We're thinking that if 560 00:55:30.390 --> 00:55:32.420 PatRaphael: people are able to. 561 00:55:32.440 --> 00:55:43.510 PatRaphael: from their houses connect to service providers, this could be another way for service providers to more intimately know what this population need, and to be able to serve them in a more 562 00:55:43.610 --> 00:55:50.700 PatRaphael: direct area. So, even though this will be very helpful for people who live in their vehicles for people who 563 00:55:50.710 --> 00:55:55.420 PatRaphael: or or or homeless it can be available for anybody 564 00:55:55.480 --> 00:55:56.540 PatRaphael: who is. 565 00:55:57.610 --> 00:56:07.780 PatRaphael: who is willing to go through the the hoop stage up to, and then they meet the income requirements. So this is why we voted for this, I think unanimously. 566 00:56:07.860 --> 00:56:11.780 PatRaphael: And we're asking you guys to support us in this. 567 00:56:12.010 --> 00:56:18.820 jim murez: Thank you, Pat. Let's go ahead and take public comment. Do we have any public comment on this item? 568 00:56:18.870 --> 00:56:20.080 Daffodil Tyminski: We do 569 00:56:22.340 --> 00:56:24.930 Daffodil Tyminski: developer. Go ahead. 570 00:56:37.600 --> 00:56:38.700 Daffodil Tyminski: Developer. 571 00:56:41.920 --> 00:56:44.130 Daffodil Tyminski: All right, let's move on to Lisa Redmond. 572 00:56:47.420 --> 00:56:58.860 Lisa Redmond: Yes, I have to get up at 6 in the morning, but i'm still here. I I strongly support this motion. I think it's important for us to do it and to move it. It's 573 00:56:58.990 --> 00:57:01.450 Lisa Redmond: the homeless Committee worked really hard on this. 574 00:57:03.170 --> 00:57:08.540 Lisa Redmond: you know. Unlike what Clark. you know, started arguing earlier. Why he pulled it 575 00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:14.590 Lisa Redmond: is that we should be encouraging people to get housing and not extending them, living in their vehicles. 576 00:57:15.180 --> 00:57:17.340 Lisa Redmond: We know people want housing. 577 00:57:17.500 --> 00:57:27.820 Lisa Redmond: We see that inside safe. We see it from the Rand report. We know that you know 90 to 98% want to go inside. Want to be 578 00:57:27.850 --> 00:57:32.650 Lisa Redmond: not out in this terrible weather. That's happening right now as it's pouring outside my window. 579 00:57:33.900 --> 00:57:39.950 Lisa Redmond: So that's like saying me giving food to people keeps them homeless. But no. 580 00:57:40.100 --> 00:57:44.880 Lisa Redmond: it's. We're doing everything we can until we can get them inside and to 581 00:57:45.030 --> 00:57:57.370 Lisa Redmond: Pat's Point. If people are going to connect to a service provider for this program and build them up in a relationship. Then they're more likely to go inside quicker as well, and be connected to services. 582 00:57:57.410 --> 00:57:59.930 Lisa Redmond: So I thank you. 583 00:58:00.910 --> 00:58:02.860 Daffodil Tyminski: Jill Crosby, go ahead. 584 00:58:06.500 --> 00:58:24.560 Jill Crosby: I hate to disagree, but I you know my experience of what's happening in my neighborhood in terms of ovo and 8502 is simply that people are not interested in going out of the area. They're they're actually flooding the area, and I I I read Cap. 585 00:58:24.560 --> 00:58:33.850 Jill Crosby: and I think there's a lot of merit to cap, except that I don't want it to get convoluted into thinking that you pay these tickets, and then you just return to parked legally. 586 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:51.740 Jill Crosby: You know it was. It formed in 2,017 Garcetti did it, and there's a lot to do to even get that going and to stay current with it. So it's not. It's not really the first step in solutions. I think what we really need to implement is 587 00:58:51.740 --> 00:59:08.910 Jill Crosby: enforced parking. And then, of course, people who want to pay off those tickets and park legally and find legal parking. I think that they should use something like Cap to work off those tickets. But again it's not a permission slip, and I don't want to convolute those issues. 588 00:59:10.620 --> 00:59:13.860 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Joel Shawn. O'brien, go ahead. 589 00:59:15.450 --> 00:59:34.170 Sean Obrien: Yeah. Unfortunately, I can't support this the way Pat Like described it with legal vehicles registered, insured all that, you know. Then, if you know, I would like to see this, go back to the committee and have them say that. Yes, the person like seeking 590 00:59:34.170 --> 00:59:43.790 Sean Obrien: this program, this cap program that they are the registered owner registrations up to date, and it's insured which is making it complied. 591 00:59:45.240 --> 01:00:04.940 Sean Obrien: It doesn't say anything with that in the motion itself. So, pat! We gave us all kinds of flowers and rainbows. But no, it's more enabling it's more coddling, and it's gonna eventually drive more rbs there, and the most thing that I was really disappointed with Pat 592 01:00:05.030 --> 01:00:08.920 Sean Obrien: is during the Hampton 593 01:00:09.000 --> 01:00:14.200 Sean Obrien: Bridge housing, clean up safe homes, or whatever with Tracy Park and the mayor. 594 01:00:14.210 --> 01:00:27.250 Sean Obrien: I asked Pat why he didn't take services and get housing, he said, because he thought other people we needed it more than him. So that was in his decision. I don't think, you know. 595 01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:28.940 Sean Obrien: But thanks 596 01:00:30.850 --> 01:00:34.320 Daffodil Tyminski: and last we have. 597 01:00:35.440 --> 01:00:43.380 Daffodil Tyminski: we've. and then Pat. I can't remember if PET spoke already. But 598 01:00:44.260 --> 01:00:52.030 Kalani W: Mayor Bass and Governor Newson gave me great hope recently when they started to entertain mandating treatment. 599 01:00:52.150 --> 01:00:53.120 Kalani W: It is 600 01:00:53.130 --> 01:01:08.340 Kalani W: ridiculous for us to expect a person with a drug or a mental health issue to suddenly wake up and realize they have a drug or mental health issue. 60% of our homeless have drug and mental health issues. 601 01:01:08.750 --> 01:01:19.620 Kalani W: Wages are higher than ever. Unemployment is very low. Housing vacancy rates is meets the national average. There is no excuse. 602 01:01:19.960 --> 01:01:34.780 Kalani W: The people who are and and the mayor is handing out motel vouchers left and right. The people still on the street are the most antisocial, and the people who do not want to live by other People's rules. 603 01:01:34.780 --> 01:01:49.660 Kalani W: It's time we start mandating treatment and building facilities where we can get the most bang for our taxpayer bucks, and that does not include the cautious part of town. You live where you can afford to live. 604 01:01:50.020 --> 01:01:51.260 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Colin. 605 01:01:54.290 --> 01:01:55.270 jim murez: Is that it? 606 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:57.140 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah. Well. 607 01:01:58.260 --> 01:02:01.800 Daffodil Tyminski: we had developer. Pop up after we close public comment 608 01:02:02.030 --> 01:02:07.730 jim murez: that Pat spoke already. You know it's it's 609 01:02:07.960 --> 01:02:10.600 jim murez: almost 10'clock. Let's get done here. 610 01:02:10.790 --> 01:02:16.220 jim murez: I'm on a close public comment at this point, and and Clark. 611 01:02:16.820 --> 01:02:25.010 Clark Brown: you have your hand up. Yes, I I don't support this. I think a program that allows persons 612 01:02:25.030 --> 01:02:35.510 Clark Brown: living in vehicles to satisfy citations levied against them because of that occupancy by doing community service is 613 01:02:35.690 --> 01:02:46.490 Clark Brown: almost impossible to effectively administer. There are better ways to deal with this problem that deal with it directly. One option is to do what 614 01:02:46.660 --> 01:02:55.010 Clark Brown: seal beats and the ocean side have done, which is to allow people to occupy 615 01:02:55.570 --> 01:02:59.410 Clark Brown: Rvs. After obtaining a a permit from the city. 616 01:02:59.560 --> 01:03:12.620 Clark Brown: and then even better way to deal with it is Lisa Redmond's suggestion, which is to use these fake and parcels out at Lax as places for a safe parking and safe camping. 617 01:03:12.620 --> 01:03:30.600 Clark Brown: and eventually tiny homes where social services and other services medical services can be provided to these people. That is a directly addressing the problem as opposed to this back door way of doing it, which I don't think can be done in an effective practical way. 618 01:03:30.600 --> 01:03:33.330 jim murez: Okay, thank you, Core Vicki. Go ahead. 619 01:03:33.420 --> 01:03:39.140 Vicki Halliday: One of the things that I learned when this was in committee for several months. 620 01:03:41.440 --> 01:03:43.270 Vicki Halliday: There are people like Pat. 621 01:03:43.410 --> 01:03:48.750 Vicki Halliday: who want to be responsible for their citations for their parking tickets. 622 01:03:49.390 --> 01:03:52.610 Vicki Halliday: and they're willing to go work for it 623 01:03:53.330 --> 01:03:56.830 Vicki Halliday: in loop, having to come up with the cash 624 01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:12.750 Vicki Halliday: that takes a certain amount of responsibility. I don't think there's going to be a run on this program. I don't think a lot of people are going to take advantage of it. All it's asking is that there are people on the West Side. These agencies 625 01:04:12.940 --> 01:04:15.330 Vicki Halliday: who would provide the opportunity 626 01:04:16.640 --> 01:04:22.900 Vicki Halliday: to be of service and to work this off. I don't think they're going to be overrun with people. 627 01:04:23.260 --> 01:04:38.070 Vicki Halliday: so i'm going to book for this. because I think that someone like that wants to make good on his tickets and need some help with it. We'll go do this service and that's great. He's taking responsibility. 628 01:04:38.420 --> 01:04:41.540 jim murez: Thank you, Vicki Mike, go ahead. 629 01:04:42.040 --> 01:04:50.480 Mike Bravo: Yeah, I think to vote against this is like just again, just like the other, or the motions. For the most part it's just pure criminalization, and just 630 01:04:50.580 --> 01:04:57.190 Mike Bravo: the facts and the dashboard that's not helpful, and they'll just exacerbate the you know, homeless situation that we're already dealing with. 631 01:04:57.410 --> 01:05:06.530 Mike Bravo: I know we can't keep pushing away. I know we keep hearing that. But, like, you know, hopefully, it's also I don't think Pat even lived on Hampton. So 632 01:05:07.470 --> 01:05:19.990 Mike Bravo: you can. Yeah, i'm sure you didn't live there. So whoever said that I don't think you know there also. knowing the Homes Committee and not to disparage. But you know usually I would have a very favorable opinion of a lot of things that they do 633 01:05:20.030 --> 01:05:24.600 Mike Bravo: so for them To make an unanimous decision on this motion. I think that speaks volumes. 634 01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:26.770 Mike Bravo: And so i'm going to be voting for this. 635 01:05:28.200 --> 01:05:46.190 Patrick McKinley: Thank you. Oh, Patrick, go ahead all right, Vicky. Thanks. I i'm glad you all made it out that way. It's kind of clear to me that this this motion is really not about trying to enforce and get homeless people off the street. It's just in motion to allow folks to get their record clean. That's it. It's not criminalize them, and it gives them an opportunity. 636 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:54.800 Patrick McKinley: I don't know if everyone will take advantage of this. Someone may not meet their criteria, but all we're doing is passing away for someone to make themselves right. That's it. 637 01:05:54.810 --> 01:05:58.750 Patrick McKinley: Get their financials back on board, and they're not owing a lot of money. 638 01:05:59.020 --> 01:06:01.040 Patrick McKinley: I think it's a good thing I support it. 639 01:06:01.090 --> 01:06:02.830 jim murez: Thank you, Patrick Robert. 640 01:06:03.010 --> 01:06:16.650 robertthibodeau: I agree with Patrick, and if someone's willing to work, i'm all for work, and someone's willing to work for getting their citations off because they don't have the cash. Let them work. You know that's the problem right now 641 01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:19.480 robertthibodeau: is that the people on the streets don't 642 01:06:19.740 --> 01:06:28.480 robertthibodeau: you know too many of them Aren't working, and you know, work works your best way back into society. Let's start here, and hopefully, it builds from there. 643 01:06:30.060 --> 01:06:31.630 jim murez: Okay, Daffodil. 644 01:06:32.220 --> 01:06:45.160 Daffodil Tyminski: As I understand it, we're not voting on the program per se. But whether we will engage or support having the Service providers join the program, and 645 01:06:45.520 --> 01:06:55.840 Daffodil Tyminski: my problem is, I just Haven't seen that any of these service providers have been very good actors in our community. I wouldn't trust Saint Joseph to administer 646 01:06:55.940 --> 01:07:01.290 Daffodil Tyminski: a program like that. I wouldn't, you know, frankly trust any of these the circle team. 647 01:07:01.410 --> 01:07:08.420 Daffodil Tyminski: So I I I support the Cap concept, and I think that's passed and that exists, and that's available. 648 01:07:08.470 --> 01:07:09.200 Ivan: Oh. 649 01:07:10.930 --> 01:07:17.080 Daffodil Tyminski: what I really Don't support is seeking to have it administered through these particular service providers. 650 01:07:18.270 --> 01:07:27.620 Vicki Halliday: which I I gather, is what we're voting on, not the program itself. 651 01:07:27.950 --> 01:07:34.540 Vicki Halliday: Organizations on the whole West Side that you could go to and do your your work. 652 01:07:35.050 --> 01:07:38.940 Vicki Halliday: You know you had to go miles and miles away. 653 01:07:39.330 --> 01:07:45.600 Vicki Halliday: so what he was trying to accomplish was to get somebody on the West Side to sign up 654 01:07:46.070 --> 01:07:49.440 Vicki Halliday: where you could go. Work. Hmm. Off your ticket 655 01:07:50.340 --> 01:07:56.160 Vicki Halliday: because you have everybody on the West Side. I appreciate that, but it can be explored. 656 01:07:57.360 --> 01:08:02.800 Vicki Halliday: You know who you would do this. 657 01:08:04.510 --> 01:08:05.810 jim murez: You're muted. Yeah. 658 01:08:08.330 --> 01:08:18.729 jay handal: I I just want to say whether it's Saint Joseph's by Path or Pcc Circle team, or whoever. And this motion is not limiting it to any one organization. 659 01:08:18.810 --> 01:08:28.609 jay handal: whether they're good at it or bad at, or I have never done it, and they're willing to try it. You know. I I think, that in the 30 years I've been dealing with homelessness. 660 01:08:28.750 --> 01:08:41.069 jay handal: I will say that any opportunity to give them an opportunity is a good opportunity for the community, and I know that sentence has way too many times the word opportunity. And 661 01:08:41.109 --> 01:08:47.290 jay handal: but that's what we need to do with with the the homeless. We need to give opportunity. 662 01:08:47.310 --> 01:08:55.700 jay handal: and you know, when we do events like Thanksgiving events and things like that, where we bring in 663 01:08:55.830 --> 01:09:04.580 jay handal: city attorneys to help take care of tickets, you know, to get them back on their feet and work on warrants with them. 664 01:09:04.600 --> 01:09:11.540 jay handal: You know these are the things that they're starting out bad. They end up worse, and they need. They need a hand up. 665 01:09:11.670 --> 01:09:17.680 jay handal: you know, not a handout. And this is a hand up, not a handout because they're working for it. We're not giving it to them. 666 01:09:17.740 --> 01:09:37.010 jay handal: So I don't see any harm in letting Cdl. Have an explorer. you know, and find out the people that you know the actors that really want to get involved and do it, and can do it. And maybe there is a way down the line for us to help support that as well with the events that we have, and having these PE the centers. 667 01:09:37.100 --> 01:09:42.800 jay handal: maybe, have people come and help us do things that need to be done. 668 01:09:43.260 --> 01:09:45.859 jim murez: Thank you. J. Cj. You have your hand up. 669 01:09:47.300 --> 01:09:48.430 jim murez: You're muted. 670 01:09:51.640 --> 01:10:00.250 CJ Cole: Excuse me, I didn't unmute this is ridiculous. Let's just take a vote and finish this meeting. It is one all one. 671 01:10:00.660 --> 01:10:17.640 jim murez: Thank you. Just say yes or no. I I have a quick question for Vicki Vicki. If a person has tickets and they go through the program and they remove the tickets. 672 01:10:17.640 --> 01:10:22.050 jim murez: Are they allowed to go back through the program a second or a third or fourth or a tenth time. 673 01:10:26.070 --> 01:10:30.210 PatRaphael: I know the answer to that. You cannot. You can only go on once a year. 674 01:10:30.290 --> 01:10:31.880 jim murez: Okay, thank you. 675 01:10:32.390 --> 01:10:34.650 jim murez: Okay, let's take a vote. 676 01:10:39.180 --> 01:10:42.930 jim murez: I am going to vote. Yes. 677 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:48.590 jay handal: yes. 678 01:10:48.750 --> 01:10:50.400 Vicki Halliday: Vicki. Yes. 679 01:10:50.600 --> 01:10:51.480 jim murez: Bruno 680 01:10:53.860 --> 01:10:54.780 jim murez: Bruno. 681 01:10:59.170 --> 01:11:00.320 jim murez: Jim Ro. 682 01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:01.620 Jim Robb: Yes. 683 01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:03.600 jim murez: Jason. 684 01:11:04.560 --> 01:11:05.400 Jason Sugars: Yes. 685 01:11:08.830 --> 01:11:09.710 jim murez: Mike. 686 01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:10.690 Mike Bravo: Yes. 687 01:11:12.220 --> 01:11:14.190 CJ Cole: Cj. 688 01:11:15.550 --> 01:11:17.300 robertthibodeau: Robert. Yes. 689 01:11:18.160 --> 01:11:19.830 Clark Brown: no. 690 01:11:20.970 --> 01:11:23.950 jim murez: it's not here. Patrick 691 01:11:24.440 --> 01:11:30.320 jim murez: Motion carries 10 to 0. We don't have a clear 692 01:11:31.390 --> 01:11:38.440 Clark Brown: Excuse me. Clark Brown voted against it. and that's what it says here. Oh, you said 10 to 0. 693 01:11:38.460 --> 01:11:44.920 robertthibodeau: I don't know if there's any more. But I have to get off this call. 694 01:11:44.990 --> 01:12:00.480 jim murez: So I think what we're going to do on this previous motion. We don't have 2 people tried to look it up. Daffodil and Robert. They both texted me, saying that they have not been able to identify what the next Council 695 01:12:01.060 --> 01:12:11.620 jim murez: issue is on this it it it seems like we should postpone it a month and get clarification and give people an opportunity. So i'm gonna 696 01:12:12.100 --> 01:12:21.640 Alley Bean: entertain the motion to postpone until I i'll second in. I sent you the file, Jim, and it's long out. 697 01:12:21.650 --> 01:12:27.900 jay handal: It expires november of 24. It just got referred to Budget and finance. 698 01:12:31.520 --> 01:12:35.820 jay handal: and there's about 8 or 10 Ncs that have. 699 01:12:36.150 --> 01:12:40.690 Alley Bean: Can we take a vote on this, please? And then we're done. 700 01:12:41.200 --> 01:12:43.420 jim murez: I'm continuing it until next month. 701 01:12:44.500 --> 01:12:46.360 jim murez: I'm gonna go. Yes. 702 01:12:47.400 --> 01:12:49.330 Daffodil Tyminski: yes. 703 01:12:50.140 --> 01:12:51.620 jay handal: Jay, yes. 704 01:12:51.710 --> 01:12:53.280 Vicki Halliday: Vicki. Yes. 705 01:12:53.470 --> 01:12:54.540 jim murez: Bruno. 706 01:12:57.140 --> 01:13:00.550 Jim Robb: Nico, Jim, Rob. Yes, bye, guys. 707 01:13:00.830 --> 01:13:01.980 Jim Robb: Jason. 708 01:13:02.010 --> 01:13:05.510 jim murez: No. Did, Jim. You can't leave yet. We have one more thing we have to do 709 01:13:06.020 --> 01:13:08.740 Alley Bean: what Jason was. Yes, Ally 710 01:13:09.440 --> 01:13:11.410 jim murez: Mike. 711 01:13:11.780 --> 01:13:12.590 Mike Bravo: Yes. 712 01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:15.510 CJ Cole: Cj: Yes. 713 01:13:16.630 --> 01:13:19.910 jim murez: Robert. Yes, Clark. Yes. 714 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:26.090 jim murez: Patrick. Yes. okay. Now let me save this away. 715 01:13:26.720 --> 01:13:29.990 jim murez: and then we have to go back to our 716 01:13:33.900 --> 01:13:35.340 jim murez: previous one. 717 01:13:37.870 --> 01:13:42.540 jim murez: Oh, this Isn't! This is actually the final call by 1 s 718 01:13:47.160 --> 01:13:47.760 jim murez: it 719 01:13:48.820 --> 01:13:50.780 jim murez: to load up. 720 01:13:53.200 --> 01:14:01.460 jim murez: Can we make a motion to adjourn. Jim, we still have item 33. 721 01:14:02.030 --> 01:14:03.340 jim murez: I think we did it. 722 01:14:03.360 --> 01:14:07.170 CJ Cole: No, we didn't it's the board of officers Communists. 723 01:14:07.380 --> 01:14:15.560 jim murez: Oh, that we we can do that on the on, the on the that this is Hold on 1 s Cj. You you'll have still have a chance 724 01:14:18.030 --> 01:14:22.020 jim murez: where these are the board. Where is the 725 01:14:28.420 --> 01:14:31.380 jim murez: Oh, you're right. I'm thinking that this is 726 01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:36.160 jim murez: I'm: sorry. Ck: you're absolutely correct. 727 01:14:45.070 --> 01:14:47.850 jim murez: 33 comments from the board. 728 01:14:48.310 --> 01:15:00.920 CJ Cole: Okay, it is now 106 and 51 s. We are next month going to have a meeting that will have to be over by 100'clock. 729 01:15:01.280 --> 01:15:12.730 CJ Cole: so we somehow, between now and then have to learn to do a 4 h meeting, and not a 9 h meeting, or whatever we've ended up doing. 730 01:15:12.770 --> 01:15:25.080 CJ Cole: And I think tonight. We have just done nothing but here ourselves talk all night, whether it be the idiots ourselves, our board, or the people in the audience. 731 01:15:25.270 --> 01:15:31.490 CJ Cole: But somehow we have to control or just decide. We're gonna have 2 meetings a month. 732 01:15:31.660 --> 01:15:36.920 CJ Cole: but we have to control the time of these meetings. Okay, thank you. 733 01:15:37.650 --> 01:15:39.200 jim murez: Anybody else. 734 01:15:40.820 --> 01:15:45.410 Alley Bean: seeing no other hands up, could I get a motion to 735 01:15:45.530 --> 01:15:49.050 jim murez: thank you. Meeting concludes that 107? 736 01:15:49.580 --> 01:15:55.120 jim murez: Thank you. Everyone for staying. I think we got a lot of good stuff done. Sorry that it took so long to get there. 737 01:15:55.860 --> 01:16:01.730 jim murez: We'll see you all right. Okay, we'll. We'll see you all hopefully at the 738 01:16:03.720 --> 01:16:04.840 PatRaphael: Yes.