WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.090 The de minimis waiver, anyway, but we'll we'll proceed with the case. 2 00:00:04.470 --> 00:00:05.820 jim murez: I need a second 3 00:00:06.080 --> 00:00:07.420 Alley Bean: i'll second it. 4 00:00:07.870 --> 00:00:09.190 jim murez: Thank you, Ali 5 00:00:10.260 --> 00:00:12.210 Jill Crosby: Ellie, you're just the best 6 00:00:14.280 --> 00:00:16.430 n: something in the background. 7 00:00:16.880 --> 00:00:17.450 Okay. 8 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:20.480 jim murez: Okay, any public comment on this. 9 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:26.470 jim murez: Raise your hands or hold your piece. and I see 2 hands up. 10 00:00:27.260 --> 00:00:30.190 jim murez: So let's go to 11 00:00:30.430 --> 00:00:32.479 jim murez: Sarah. Go ahead, please. 12 00:00:33.680 --> 00:00:37.450 jim murez: 3 hands. Excuse me. Oh, Patrick, hold on 1 s, everybody. 13 00:00:38.130 --> 00:00:43.260 jim murez: I have to promote Patrick back into as a panelist. 14 00:00:45.840 --> 00:00:48.910 jim murez: Oh, there we go. Patrick, Are you back. 15 00:00:51.740 --> 00:00:53.060 jim murez: Patrick? Are you back? 16 00:00:54.530 --> 00:01:00.090 Patrick McKinley: Yeah, I'm back. Thanks. 17 00:01:00.270 --> 00:01:04.459 jim murez: Okay. Thank you. Thank you. We're just taking public comment on this next item. 18 00:01:06.930 --> 00:01:10.150 jim murez: Okay, Sarah, your hand is up. You get to go first. 19 00:01:10.410 --> 00:01:12.750 Sarah Wauters: Hi! Can you hear me all? 20 00:01:12.890 --> 00:01:21.900 Sarah Wauters: Hi, everyone! This is Sarah Waters, from the Varb Venice Arbor Committee. There was considerable opposition to this project in the loop pack meeting. 21 00:01:21.910 --> 00:01:33.350 Sarah Wauters: The opposition was to the removal of a very large and mature tree of about 80 years old. When considerable biodiversity, pollution, environmental and equity issues are indicated 22 00:01:33.570 --> 00:01:39.400 with very little effort and design changes. The architects could build around the tree, and it could be saved. 23 00:01:39.440 --> 00:01:51.870 Sarah Wauters: It stands adjacent to a property owner who called in and has been living in the neighborhood for decades. He has a sober and living facility there for 15 residents and their bedrooms look out onto this tree. 24 00:01:52.030 --> 00:01:56.740 Sarah Wauters: Numerous other Venice neighborhood constituents attended and objected to its destruction. 25 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:13.680 Sarah Wauters: So this tree is providing shading and cooling to the block. There are at least 3 birds nests in it. It filters storm, run off, it offsets carbon, and it catches pollution, and this is exactly the kind of tree that we have to save in order to not end up in a dust bowl. 26 00:02:14.600 --> 00:02:18.020 Sarah Wauters: I guess that's my time. But I want you all to know that our 27 00:02:18.100 --> 00:02:32.910 Sarah Wauters: canopy has been reduced by about 55% over the last 20 years in this city, and so every single tree, especially these very mature trees. 28 00:02:33.380 --> 00:02:35.640 Jill, go ahead, please. 29 00:02:36.900 --> 00:02:52.940 Jill Crosby: May I don't actually know what kind of tree this is that we're talking about. I think that that might help to understand. Is it something like a California pepper tree? I'm just not sure what sort of tree it is we're talking about that is in question. Thank you. 30 00:02:54.290 --> 00:02:55.290 jim murez: Thank you. 31 00:02:59.270 --> 00:03:00.990 Robin. Go ahead, please. 32 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:16.200 Robin Murez: I I think Sarah stated it really well, and I feel like we need to the our loop, he should be more stringent than what the city 33 00:03:16.300 --> 00:03:21.470 Robin Murez: allows. I feel like our loop. He should be really looking out for what 34 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:25.460 Robin Murez: makes Venice a unique and wonderful community. 35 00:03:25.470 --> 00:03:30.180 Robin Murez: and the city may not care about trees, but we need to. 36 00:03:30.360 --> 00:03:38.400 Robin Murez: I do recall now, when this came up I saw that tree on the plan, and I thought, what are they doing Like 37 00:03:38.440 --> 00:03:43.560 Robin Murez: just tearing it down and building around it and building, you know, through it 38 00:03:43.670 --> 00:03:55.280 Robin Murez: we need to be paying attention to these details. That's what makes a community wonderful, livable. And so I do also ask that you pay attention to that. 39 00:03:55.830 --> 00:03:56.630 Robin Murez: That's all. 40 00:03:56.660 --> 00:03:57.680 jim murez: Thank you. 41 00:04:01.310 --> 00:04:02.570 jim murez: Erica. More. 42 00:04:10.290 --> 00:04:12.290 jim murez: We'll come back, Helen. 43 00:04:16.890 --> 00:04:24.630 Helen Fallon: so i'll be brief. Why am I not at all surprised that our Dmc Loop Tech Committee, which is completely composed of 44 00:04:24.790 --> 00:04:30.130 Helen Fallon: to developers and architects, people who are benefiting from 45 00:04:30.140 --> 00:04:34.160 Helen Fallon: the real estate and directly benefiting from the real estate industry 46 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:38.050 Helen Fallon: that they would just ignore the community's concerns. It's 47 00:04:39.780 --> 00:04:45.810 Helen Fallon: it's why all their all their motions are always unanimous. Because I don't think there's anything they've met. If they ever oppose. 48 00:04:45.860 --> 00:04:56.360 Helen Fallon: I take that back. Occasionally they oppose something, but that's usually when they object, because it some market. One of the architects thinks the other architects submission just isn't good enough. 49 00:04:56.730 --> 00:05:09.520 Helen Fallon: so you know. Start with the community. For Heaven's sake, and start up. Stop appointing people. We're all linked to the real estate industry to the loop. That committee. Let's have a little balance. You're supposed to have that. And you don't. 50 00:05:13.300 --> 00:05:18.180 jim murez: Okay, that was brief. Save 6 s. Thank you, Helen 51 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:20.020 jim murez: Erica Moore 52 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:27.320 jim murez: Wayne. 53 00:05:29.900 --> 00:05:37.510 n: Well, it's not me. It's so comforting. Oh, wait a minute. 54 00:05:37.590 --> 00:05:43.390 jim murez: Well, we'll let the nice lady go first. 55 00:05:44.860 --> 00:05:46.340 jim murez: Are you ready to speak? 56 00:05:46.530 --> 00:05:56.400 Erica Moore: I'm ready. Thank you so much. Hi! You know what that really is. The issue. Is that what Lupik is surprised, though, because 57 00:05:56.880 --> 00:06:03.520 Erica Moore: I did, and the whole thing that Sarah said she's exactly right that these types of things that tree needs to be saved. And 58 00:06:03.930 --> 00:06:09.350 Erica Moore: this is the kind of issue that I was on that appeal for that project that's going on Caticorn. For me. 59 00:06:09.690 --> 00:06:11.420 Erica Moore: Nobody is listening. 60 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:28.050 Erica Moore: Nobody is considering what really happens, because they don't require the sequel reports. And what happens is you get situations like people, and this really happens happening across the street. The entire building is not going to have any summer because of the the product that they bring Greenland. 61 00:06:28.050 --> 00:06:34.850 Erica Moore: and the and people lose all of the sunlight in their yard. Because you allow these huge buildings to go in. 62 00:06:34.970 --> 00:06:52.500 Erica Moore: and and it's like rubber stamp. It's so frustrating they're not considering the people that are impacted. This is my statement when I say, just because you can doesn't mean you should you need to consider how it really impacts the community on a large scale? 63 00:06:54.090 --> 00:06:56.740 jim murez: Wayne. Go ahead. 64 00:06:56.990 --> 00:07:02.380 n: It's not me. It's the puppet. 65 00:07:02.770 --> 00:07:14.310 n: I could say the inward, but it's late at night. Now we need the Pre. According to the study by the Goat Puppet Association. 66 00:07:14.850 --> 00:07:18.540 the tree canopy has fallen as much as 20%, 67 00:07:18.950 --> 00:07:23.860 n: so every tree must be saved. and I use trees all the time. 68 00:07:24.060 --> 00:07:24.760 Hi! 69 00:07:25.060 --> 00:07:30.230 n: And so d0 0ur homeless and houseless people use trees all. 70 00:07:30.450 --> 00:07:37.530 n: Yes, they use trees to tie their fence to and to shade. Why they urinate and take craft. 71 00:07:37.660 --> 00:07:39.410 n: but that's beside the point. 72 00:07:39.890 --> 00:07:43.540 n: We should go ahead and deny this project. 73 00:07:43.880 --> 00:07:52.230 n: especially after that certain comment about a certain mule. Yes, imagine that 74 00:07:52.490 --> 00:07:56.940 n: Robert Tibeto is like the Prime Minister of Canada. 75 00:07:57.110 --> 00:08:03.660 n: He's another French Canadian that doesn't understand when to stop. So I oppose the project. 76 00:08:03.760 --> 00:08:07.160 n: Save the little trees. 77 00:08:07.600 --> 00:08:08.460 n: Oh, thank you. 78 00:08:10.670 --> 00:08:11.600 jim murez: Nick. 79 00:08:15.150 --> 00:08:19.820 Nick Leathers: Everyone this is Nick Leather is from Crestron state. I'm. The representative 80 00:08:19.960 --> 00:08:29.530 Nick Leathers: on behalf of our client of the Martin Gang family, and their project at 6 13. Brooks also joined by Jessica mood, and Steve Dodge from the Usc. Architects 81 00:08:29.620 --> 00:08:38.860 Nick Leathers: just to respond. We did meet with Isabelle du Vivier and Shelly Billick last week from Cfac at her office, and we have 82 00:08:38.890 --> 00:08:58.260 Nick Leathers: hope to address the concerns regarding the ashtree. We actually had a really good conversation last Wednesday. We're coming up with some really creative solutions. I think, that are really going to protect our client, the neighbor in the neighborhood. So we're having ongoing dialogue with Isabel and Shelley. 83 00:08:58.260 --> 00:09:08.200 Nick Leathers: and so I hope that you guys can vote to support Lupex stock report, and again our teams on the call tonight for any questions or comments. So thank you. 84 00:09:09.540 --> 00:09:10.700 jim murez: Thank you. 85 00:09:12.890 --> 00:09:15.310 I don't see 86 00:09:16.620 --> 00:09:22.340 jim murez: any other hands up. I'm gonna put down those people who already spoke 87 00:09:22.650 --> 00:09:28.090 jim murez: Go back to the panel. I just want to mention one thing for those of you that don't know 88 00:09:29.640 --> 00:09:36.140 there are rules in the city. And and already back many years ago, when I was on. 89 00:09:37.230 --> 00:09:48.700 jim murez: and i'll try and keep this really brief, there's something called the Vso. Which is that it basically have been a sign off. And we don't have any say in the process whatsoever, it's completely by right. 90 00:09:48.790 --> 00:09:54.670 jim murez: And if we want to talk about you know something that's not by right. I heard 91 00:09:54.860 --> 00:10:07.950 jim murez: Mikhail say that this was a Bso sign off, and if that's the case, we can make the request that the tree be saved. But we really don't have the city doesn't have any authority 92 00:10:08.050 --> 00:10:12.860 jim murez: to to to demand that the tree is saved, or to even. 93 00:10:13.580 --> 00:10:17.910 jim murez: you know, condition it. So I I think what we need to start doing. 94 00:10:17.940 --> 00:10:27.280 jim murez: If, if if we wanted to support the concept of having the Arbor Committee, which is currently an AD Hoc committee. 95 00:10:27.620 --> 00:10:33.890 jim murez: participate in the process of loop pack when there's a mature tree, and we could. 96 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:46.550 jim murez: taking the definition of what is the mature tree by measuring it at the 4 foot Height, elevation, and what's the diameter of the trunk and the species, and there's all kinds of wording. I I was on the first C pack. 97 00:10:46.730 --> 00:10:52.670 which is the Community Forest Advisory Committee back when it was first being formed back in the early nineties. 98 00:10:52.680 --> 00:11:08.350 jim murez: and and that's the Department of Public Works is a bell's on there now, and she happens to be the appointee at this time. She also happens to be co-chair of our Arbor committee, and and you know, maybe what we need to do is as a board. Think about. 99 00:11:08.350 --> 00:11:14.860 jim murez: Maybe one cases come through loop that have large mature trees did. 100 00:11:15.210 --> 00:11:24.310 jim murez: Part of the bluepeck process should also be to to have a process whereby somehow the Arbor Committee also participates in the discussion. 101 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:37.650 jim murez: and and that's just a suggestion. It's by no means you know anything other than that. But it's something, maybe, to think about for the new board. It's getting late, Allie. I see your hand is up, Clark. I see your hand is up. 102 00:11:41.430 --> 00:11:42.870 jim murez: All you want to go ahead. 103 00:11:43.300 --> 00:12:00.520 Alley Bean: Okay, just really quick. I'm: I'm: I'm really glad. I'm hearing the applicant. I I I don't know much about this project. I do now, listening to everybody talk about it, and I heard that you know that there was some concern about these trees. I think it's great that you've met with Isabel. 104 00:12:00.520 --> 00:12:13.270 Alley Bean: But then, you know, like I I, we our community worked with Brian Silvera about saving some trees on a project on the corner. He was amazing, the same one that just did that project with the deck in the in the 105 00:12:13.450 --> 00:12:21.920 Alley Bean: little community market. But I I think that what you should do is when you've come to a conclusion you should come back to Lupeck so we could vote on it 106 00:12:22.130 --> 00:12:27.140 Alley Bean: because we don't know what you and and Isabel have worked out. You've just said that you had a great meeting. 107 00:12:27.630 --> 00:12:42.450 Alley Bean: but like when you come back, and there's a community agreement, then I think that's when we should take the vote. That's just my my feeling. 108 00:12:42.560 --> 00:12:53.450 Clark Brown: Oh, I have a procedural question. If we were to deny this, we would then go back to Lupeck, which could then give further consideration to what could be done about this tree? 109 00:12:53.640 --> 00:12:59.840 jim murez: No; if we deny it, it just dies at on the floor at this point. 110 00:12:59.870 --> 00:13:03.850 and that actually creates a different problem, because 111 00:13:04.180 --> 00:13:17.950 jim murez: we we have an agreement with the city that we will respond on all cases, and the what By by respond it's either. We want to tell the city. Yes, we support the project, and perhaps yes, with conditions 112 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:35.620 jim murez: We could also say no. We don't, and we could specify conditions, Why not? And the third one would be that that it's de minimis, meaning that we don't want to take a particular particular position on it at this time, but we do have an agreement with the city, with the department of City planning 113 00:13:35.620 --> 00:13:46.810 jim murez: that we will take a position on all cases. So if we just vote. No, it just stops at this point, and we haven't made a recommendation to the city whatsoever 114 00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:59.030 jim murez: this particular motion is saying, we are approving this project as presented. We then send a letter to the city, saying the project is being supported as it was presented, so we would have to 115 00:14:00.770 --> 00:14:06.750 jim murez: do something other than just say No, if you want to take a a position of any kind at all. 116 00:14:07.650 --> 00:14:16.800 Clark Brown: But if we don't know what to stop, the applicant from going back on his own to loop he to 117 00:14:16.800 --> 00:14:28.280 Clark Brown: consider this project while doing so. I understand. 118 00:14:30.410 --> 00:14:35.600 Michael Jensen: Okay. And do we know if the the zoning administrator is holding the case open. 119 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:56.980 Michael Jensen: I mean, I can say it's sort of we're having a 120 00:14:57.080 --> 00:15:02.350 it's late, and I also the the I didn't catch the Vs. On this until I had 121 00:15:03.020 --> 00:15:07.460 Michael Jensen: time between, when it was when it was moved off. Consent. 122 00:15:07.550 --> 00:15:10.940 Michael Jensen: so it wouldn't have even come up as a. 123 00:15:11.190 --> 00:15:24.600 jim murez: This would have been a consent a de minimis consent case had I known that 124 00:15:24.760 --> 00:15:37.770 jim murez: when it's a. V. So sign off, basically what they're saying is the law has already been written in the planning documents. In other words, there's an ordinance that says, Here is what planning is allowed to do and not allowed to do. 125 00:15:37.890 --> 00:15:52.530 jim murez: and if you comply with what you're allowed to do, the city signs it off. The city attorney has made it very clear to all neighborhood councils. They made it clear to us 15 years ago that if it's a Vso. 126 00:15:52.980 --> 00:15:59.100 jim murez: We cannot oppose it. That meaning when i'm. Saying we the city cannot oppose it. 127 00:15:59.530 --> 00:16:08.490 Sarah Wauters: If the city says it's a de minimis project, the city cannot and will not oppose the project. 128 00:16:21.610 --> 00:16:29.390 Ivan: Alright. It's okay to Jim. Listen. I You're losing quorum, you're one away. 129 00:16:29.620 --> 00:16:38.870 Ivan: and I should just take a vote and and be done with this. Which of the way you want to go? 130 00:16:41.390 --> 00:16:43.200 Michael Jensen: So it doesn't have that hearing 131 00:16:43.480 --> 00:16:44.310 Michael Jensen: date. 132 00:16:45.160 --> 00:16:45.790 Michael Jensen: Yeah. 133 00:16:47.230 --> 00:16:51.820 jim murez: So we could send this back to Loopak 134 00:16:52.400 --> 00:16:53.480 Ivan: for 135 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:56.740 jim murez: reconsideration. 136 00:16:57.440 --> 00:17:00.150 jim murez: And if we do that 137 00:17:00.190 --> 00:17:02.050 jim murez: loopak could then 138 00:17:03.140 --> 00:17:07.780 jim murez: find out from the applicant what they worked out with 139 00:17:08.069 --> 00:17:09.569 Jill Crosby: the Arbor Committee. 140 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.109 jim murez: and then Lupac could then 141 00:17:14.230 --> 00:17:19.510 jim murez: revise or propose, or whatever to demonstrate some revised plans or something. 142 00:17:20.569 --> 00:17:22.109 jim murez: Does that seem feasible. 143 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:27.760 Michael Jensen: No, I mean this is a like this should never have even gotten a 144 00:17:28.300 --> 00:17:36.340 Michael Jensen: agendized case on here. So if it if it comes back, it's coming back as a Bso de minimis 145 00:17:36.700 --> 00:17:37.530 Michael Jensen: waver. 146 00:17:44.450 --> 00:17:47.470 jim murez: Okay, I'm going to take one more hand. That's up. 147 00:17:47.790 --> 00:17:50.840 jim murez: And then we're going to take a vote, sima your him. So 148 00:17:52.010 --> 00:17:53.170 jim murez: you have to unmute. 149 00:17:58.140 --> 00:18:00.020 jim murez: You're unmuted. We can't hear. You 150 00:18:03.800 --> 00:18:07.900 jim murez: could be a few seconds to figure it out, Sima. but we cannot hear you. 151 00:18:16.270 --> 00:18:19.690 jim murez: Okay, let's take a vote. We beat this one to the 152 00:18:19.780 --> 00:18:20.750 jim murez: ground. 153 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:25.180 jim murez: Daffodil. How do you vote? 154 00:18:25.280 --> 00:18:26.290 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 155 00:18:30.830 --> 00:18:32.530 jim murez: not here, Jay. 156 00:18:32.970 --> 00:18:33.880 jay handal: Yes. 157 00:18:34.320 --> 00:18:35.230 jim murez: Vicki. 158 00:18:35.300 --> 00:18:36.170 Vicki Halliday: Yes. 159 00:18:37.210 --> 00:18:40.250 jim murez: Bruno. Yes. 160 00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.600 Sima Kostovetsky: yes. Can you hear me 161 00:18:45.790 --> 00:18:47.350 Lisa Redmond: delay Voting started. 162 00:18:48.560 --> 00:18:49.840 jim murez: Nico. 163 00:18:49.980 --> 00:18:50.930 How do you vote? 164 00:18:51.800 --> 00:18:53.100 Jill Crosby: What is the case? 165 00:18:53.860 --> 00:18:54.910 jim murez: Nico? 166 00:18:55.540 --> 00:18:59.990 jim murez: Not here, Jim Rob? No, Jason. 167 00:19:01.690 --> 00:19:02.540 Jason Sugars: No. 168 00:19:03.770 --> 00:19:04.810 jim murez: Ellie 169 00:19:10.750 --> 00:19:12.170 jim murez: Ellie Bean. 170 00:19:14.090 --> 00:19:16.930 jim murez: I don't think she's here anymore. Kai. 171 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:25.060 jim murez: Oh, hold on a second. I just got a text message. 172 00:19:29.760 --> 00:19:32.040 jim murez: Nico: some. Oh, yeah, there he is. 173 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:37.480 jim murez: Promotes a panelist. Nico, You're being promoted. 174 00:19:39.950 --> 00:19:40.620 jim murez: Okay. 175 00:19:44.200 --> 00:19:47.290 Nicole, I'll come back to you in 1 s. 176 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:52.760 jim murez: So let's see. Where was I? Ally Not here. Kai 177 00:19:54.890 --> 00:19:56.490 solid out 178 00:19:56.720 --> 00:19:57.900 jim murez: Cj. 179 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:00.650 jim murez: Elizabeth. 180 00:20:00.730 --> 00:20:01.600 Elizabeth C.: Yes. 181 00:20:04.050 --> 00:20:05.030 jim murez: Robert 182 00:20:06.180 --> 00:20:07.230 jim murez: Clark 183 00:20:07.300 --> 00:20:08.390 Clark Brown: abstain 184 00:20:10.520 --> 00:20:11.570 jim murez: Michael. 185 00:20:12.120 --> 00:20:12.910 Michael Jensen: Yes. 186 00:20:13.690 --> 00:20:14.990 jim murez: and Patrick. 187 00:20:15.240 --> 00:20:16.010 Patrick McKinley: Yes. 188 00:20:17.150 --> 00:20:20.720 jim murez: and Nico, Did you hear this case? 189 00:20:22.350 --> 00:20:25.710 jim murez: Are you here? I thought I promoted you. 190 00:20:26.130 --> 00:20:32.700 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, Sorry I I I did hear it. I i'm actually too close to vote on it. So I have to abstain. But I just want to make sure we have quorum. 191 00:20:32.730 --> 00:20:34.470 jim murez: Are you within 500 feet. 192 00:20:34.500 --> 00:20:40.010 Nico Ruderman: Yes. Then you're supposed to recuse, I believe. Okay, recuse them. 193 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:42.710 Lisa Redmond: Thank you. 194 00:20:43.520 --> 00:20:44.360 Okay. 195 00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:53.480 jim murez: We still have. Yeah, no. We have core. 196 00:20:53.540 --> 00:20:58.710 jim murez: and I will abstain only because it motion is going to carry, anyway. Thank you. 197 00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:02.630 The log of one was already heard. 198 00:21:02.880 --> 00:21:05.430 jim murez: The electrical on this off. I think we're done. 199 00:21:05.830 --> 00:21:07.580 jim murez: Did I miss anything. Anybody. 200 00:21:07.630 --> 00:21:09.910 Margaret Molloy: The electric one was pulled off consent. 201 00:21:10.070 --> 00:21:16.520 Michael Jensen: No, it was 202 00:21:17.310 --> 00:21:23.430 jim murez: okay. So we're down. We're down to number item 35. This is a board officer 203 00:21:23.540 --> 00:21:30.970 jim murez: comments items not on the agenda. I just want to make a a point that everybody needs to be thinking about for next month 204 00:21:31.060 --> 00:21:35.360 jim murez: or the month after. Whenever we go back to live meetings. 205 00:21:35.410 --> 00:21:47.620 jim murez: we're only going to be able to stay at the school until 10 0'clock at night. If we can't get through our agenda by 10 0'clock at night. We're going to have to have either a second meeting 206 00:21:47.780 --> 00:21:56.080 jim murez: or I don't know what we're gonna have to do. but we can't stay past 10, and we can't get in there before 6 0'clock 207 00:21:56.190 --> 00:21:58.420 to start our meeting, so 208 00:21:58.560 --> 00:22:06.140 jim murez: it's not as though we could start at 5 0'clock, because they have a a after school program that runs until 6, so we can get in and set up the school 209 00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:18.660 jim murez: to to host the meeting. It seems to be the only place large enough where we could have a meeting. It seems like we'll. We'll wait and see it's possible we can use beyond baroque. I met with them but earlier in the week. 210 00:22:18.800 --> 00:22:21.450 jim murez: and and 211 00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:27.160 jim murez: you know there we wouldn't be limited by time, but but it only holds 60 people. 212 00:22:27.370 --> 00:22:30.740 jim murez: and it's not clear if that'll be enough for public meetings or not. 213 00:22:31.190 --> 00:22:41.180 Nico Ruderman: What about the quid? Rec center? Sorry. But the Oakwood Rec Center also. Doesn't have a large enough seating capacity unless we were to do it on their gym floor, and then it's really 214 00:22:41.540 --> 00:22:45.230 jim murez: sort of a strange way of setting it up. They don't have tables to be out of vote. 215 00:22:45.570 --> 00:22:46.630 Ivan: Yeah. 216 00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:54.820 jim murez: it would be difficult. I I think I I i'm actually thinking that maybe we we and this is I'm going to throw this out there just for consideration. 217 00:22:55.970 --> 00:23:10.630 jim murez: A. Maybe we restructure public comment to be more like the way that city council does it, or if you want to speak on one item, you get a minute. If you want to speak on more than one item, you get 3 min, and and then Don't take public comment throughout the rest of the agenda. 218 00:23:13.250 --> 00:23:16.360 jim murez: and they also limit the total public comment 219 00:23:16.550 --> 00:23:21.670 jim murez: up t0 20 min or 30 min, whatever it is. And you know I'm just wondering if 220 00:23:21.760 --> 00:23:31.540 jim murez: if that's something we maybe want to consider. We don't need an answer right now. But if our agendas are real full. I it's either that or have 2 meetings, so 221 00:23:32.940 --> 00:23:35.330 jim murez: anybody else have anything they want to throw out there. 222 00:23:38.150 --> 00:23:39.480 jim murez: Not you 223 00:23:42.040 --> 00:23:46.360 jim murez: any other board comments. I see. Oh, Mikkel, your hand is up. Sorry. 224 00:23:47.390 --> 00:23:48.860 Michael Jensen: That's just residual. 225 00:23:49.060 --> 00:23:51.770 jim murez: Okay, My hand fall asleep. 226 00:23:57.280 --> 00:24:02.570 Jason Sugars: I'm sorry, guys, I tried to put my hand up. I can't figure it out. I'm on my phone. 227 00:24:02.660 --> 00:24:06.650 Jason Sugars: The decorum thing really needs to work in both directions for all parties, man. 228 00:24:08.730 --> 00:24:14.170 Jason Sugars: including from the board, going out work that was completely completely unacceptable. 229 00:24:16.220 --> 00:24:17.160 jim murez: Okay. 230 00:24:22.410 --> 00:24:24.560 Jason Sugars: no, not the chorum. 231 00:24:24.790 --> 00:24:27.910 Jason Sugars: the way that people are. 232 00:24:28.620 --> 00:24:36.010 Michael Jensen: I I I agree with you, but I and I I wish also the public would. I mean, we're also humans. 233 00:24:36.020 --> 00:24:37.970 And I feel like. 234 00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:45.140 Michael Jensen: you know, this has been 6 h of being called all sorts of unethical, for I mean I don't you know 235 00:24:45.210 --> 00:24:47.920 Michael Jensen: that certainly doesn't feel good, either. 236 00:24:48.120 --> 00:24:52.580 Michael Jensen: So I I mean. But I agree, I think, that their forum has completely fall apart. 237 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:57.910 Michael Jensen: and that goes, and that goes both ways. Honestly. 238 00:24:58.130 --> 00:25:04.200 jay handal: you know we've got people who come on here and say, we're stupid. We're ignorant. We don't know what we're doing. 239 00:25:04.380 --> 00:25:16.150 jay handal: You know you. You don't follow the rules. you know, and then and then they give vial. and quite frankly, you know that has to be controlled. You know there are ways to control that. 240 00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:23.110 jay handal: and it really needs to be controlled because it's not acceptable that the public gets to come 241 00:25:23.220 --> 00:25:26.000 jay handal: and brow beat you to death. 242 00:25:26.430 --> 00:25:39.210 jay handal: Okay, and you're supposed to sit there like a punching bag because we have to. We have to, you know, be above it. Well, you know, I think, part of being above. It is cutting them off and and taking them out of the meeting. 243 00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:46.510 jay handal: You know you. You don't get to be vile, and you don't get to make false accusations. You don't get to lie about people. 244 00:25:46.530 --> 00:25:51.070 jay handal: you know, and I just think it's it's about how we run the meetings. 245 00:25:51.130 --> 00:26:03.460 jay handal: and I I'm. I'm very disappointed that the same people get on every single item. I would like to see this board change its policy and do what the city Council does. 246 00:26:03.860 --> 00:26:06.320 jay handal: And if you want to speak on every item 247 00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:17.170 jay handal: we're going to have public comment at the very beginning of the meeting, and you get 5 min to speak on all the items all at once, and then public comment is closed for the rest of the night. 248 00:26:17.890 --> 00:26:22.850 jay handal: and i'd be very happy to see that I know goat puppet will tell me i'm out of my mind. 249 00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:30.280 jay handal: and now he hates me. But I mean there comes a point where you know enough is enough. It's 1130 1140, 250 00:26:30.330 --> 00:26:40.530 jay handal: you know, trying to get through a 36 item agenda, including opening an adjournment. you know, on items that we should be able to bundle 3 4, and 5 items and vote on them. 251 00:26:40.700 --> 00:26:49.770 jay handal: you know, and then have someone yell. No, you can't bundle them all right. We'll do them all one by one. How is it the public yells at us and tells us how to run the meetings. 252 00:26:49.990 --> 00:26:58.790 jay handal: I don't get it. I don't get it. We have rules that we abide by, and we should be sticking by all rules and not folding the public pressure 253 00:26:59.170 --> 00:27:07.320 jim murez: and the J. The the flip side of that is that you know you. You're also saying you want to engage the community as much as possible 254 00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:14.450 jay handal: to the except to the point where they're abusing you. Okay, and they're abusing their time. 255 00:27:14.810 --> 00:27:22.800 jay handal: So you give them 5 min. If they if you have an item, and you can't say what you have to say in 1 min. 256 00:27:23.020 --> 00:27:30.680 jay handal: Okay, or less than you are. Just updated pontificate. and i'll guarantee you. If I, time 257 00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.170 jay handal: some of the people who come on these calls 258 00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:39.110 jay handal: you get 12 s of actual item, discussion 259 00:27:39.670 --> 00:27:52.950 jay handal: and 48 s of slander beating up harassment and vile comments. I i'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying that we have to try and keep it as as 260 00:27:52.980 --> 00:28:12.310 jay handal: fair as possible, and and i'm not at all opposed. I mean, I don't think City Council gives people 5 min. 261 00:28:12.310 --> 00:28:26.800 jim murez: Maybe maybe they've changed it. It used to be, you know. You got 1 min, for if you had one item and more than one item, you got 3 min. But you know, whatever it's, something that is, 3 min. Yeah, right now. Yeah, I I'd be good with that just in general. 262 00:28:27.920 --> 00:28:33.830 jim murez: I I I think that that would probably speed the meetings up considerably. 263 00:28:33.830 --> 00:28:48.110 jim murez: But 264 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.760 and and let the people have their say in the committee, and let's get 265 00:28:53.210 --> 00:28:57.800 jay handal: you know whatever resolve needs to be resolved in committee before it comes to the board. 266 00:28:58.090 --> 00:29:03.350 jim murez: You know that to some extent that's worked really well, and some of the committees and in others it hasn't worked at all. 267 00:29:03.360 --> 00:29:04.950 jay handal: Yeah, I agree. 268 00:29:05.010 --> 00:29:07.720 jay handal: I agree. You know. 269 00:29:08.100 --> 00:29:10.470 jim murez: we have to continue to just try and do better. 270 00:29:11.440 --> 00:29:20.070 jay handal: Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know again, I think it's all about how the meetings are controlled. you know, and how the public is, is allowed to 271 00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:31.000 jay handal: voice their opinion, give their give their comments, but do it in a a a very compliant 272 00:29:31.100 --> 00:29:36.270 jay handal: way where it's not an attack, a verbal attack 273 00:29:36.460 --> 00:29:38.430 jay handal: on any individual. 274 00:29:38.530 --> 00:29:49.360 jay handal: You know it's the rules are clear. You're supposed to speak through the chair, and you're not supposed to attack any one individual on the board. You're supposed to be speaking to the board. 275 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.170 jay handal: and that never happens in this Neighborhood Council. 276 00:29:54.200 --> 00:30:04.460 jim murez: I'm not sure where you're getting that, as a rule, but I know that it's City Council you're allowed to speak. However, you want, and it's considered the first right amendment. 277 00:30:04.540 --> 00:30:07.740 jim murez: and I have been told already by 278 00:30:08.280 --> 00:30:25.480 jim murez: our representative. It does correct you. You address the chair. Well, i'm just telling you that I have been told by the city attorney and by our repet done, that people have free speech unless they're being disruptive and off topic, we cannot come 279 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:28.890 well. Free speech is still subject to time, place, manner, rules 280 00:30:29.080 --> 00:30:29.900 Michael Jensen: correct. 281 00:30:29.960 --> 00:30:30.780 jay handal: So 282 00:30:33.520 --> 00:30:35.400 jim murez: it's a very 283 00:30:36.030 --> 00:30:43.340 jay handal: well. You know what the elections are coming up. you know. People get what they deserve. Let's see what happens. 284 00:30:43.650 --> 00:30:44.360 jim murez: Yup. 285 00:30:52.030 --> 00:30:53.710 Really quickly. I 286 00:30:53.920 --> 00:30:56.920 Elizabeth C.: Is there not a way to mute the public 287 00:30:57.050 --> 00:31:02.440 Elizabeth C.: so that they cannot interject, because that I they just monopolized your last motion. 288 00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.200 Michael Jensen: and I don't think that it 289 00:31:20.680 --> 00:31:21.820 Michael Jensen: There you go. 290 00:31:22.630 --> 00:31:23.890 Lisa Redmond: We all know it 291 00:31:24.520 --> 00:31:33.670 Elizabeth C.: well. What? Why do you talk with the Redmond? I mean, because you just gave me the opportunity to. I'm not talking. I made a point. 292 00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:52.790 Nico Ruderman: You're one of the Jimmy. Could. Can you adjourn the meeting, please, if somebody would like to to make a motion. 293 00:32:15.180 --> 00:32:16.220 Sima Kostovetsky: Good night. 294 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:17.360 Vicki Halliday: Thank you.