WEBVTT 1 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:03.430 jim murez: Definitely. I'm promoting you. 2 00:05:08.630 --> 00:05:09.949 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you so much. 3 00:05:19.340 --> 00:05:21.580 Daffodil Tyminski: There's something weird going on with the zoom. 4 00:05:24.740 --> 00:05:26.510 Daffodil Tyminski: Let me stop my video here. 5 00:05:27.340 --> 00:05:29.259 jim murez: Yeah, I can't hear you, either. 6 00:05:30.090 --> 00:05:30.880 Daffodil Tyminski: Hmm. 7 00:05:40.080 --> 00:05:42.409 Daffodil Tyminski: Weird! Do you see that? Can you hear me? 8 00:05:42.600 --> 00:05:43.850 Daffodil Tyminski: I can hear you. 9 00:05:45.400 --> 00:05:46.509 Daffodil Tyminski: Can you hear me 10 00:05:55.990 --> 00:05:57.620 jim murez: Very strange? 11 00:06:00.490 --> 00:06:01.590 Daffodil Tyminski: Can you hear me? 12 00:06:11.530 --> 00:06:14.499 jim murez: I see your hands up. Did you need to have your hand up? 13 00:06:14.740 --> 00:06:17.750 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I mean, I just wanted to. 14 00:06:19.690 --> 00:06:21.419 Daffodil Tyminski: Let's say 15 00:06:24.190 --> 00:06:28.520 Daffodil Tyminski: someone else is is 16 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:36.950 jim murez: waiting for committee members, and we have to to hold on. She put her hand back up. 17 00:06:37.300 --> 00:06:39.920 jim murez: Lisa, Go ahead. Did you have something you need to 18 00:06:39.990 --> 00:06:44.500 Lisa Redmond: let you know with the issues that I was hearing you both fine, and everything was coming in perfect. 19 00:06:44.980 --> 00:06:56.320 jim murez: Thank you. Yeah, no, I I couldn't hear, and I don't know. Ever since they updated me to the last version of zoom it. It has this problem with the video where it keeps 20 00:06:56.380 --> 00:06:58.560 jim murez: flashing and it's not working right? 21 00:06:59.160 --> 00:07:13.610 Daffodil Tyminski: Right. That's what I was seeing, too. I was seeing you flash, and I could see i'm a little dark where I am. She's yeah, no, it it got dark. I've just been sitting here working, and all of a sudden up to our family. Let me see. 22 00:07:15.380 --> 00:07:16.769 Lisa Redmond: Okay, I'm muting. 23 00:07:17.170 --> 00:07:23.910 jim murez: Okay, yeah, i'm gonna remove your permission to talk until we get into the part of it. J: I'm. Going to promote you now. 24 00:07:31.500 --> 00:07:32.390 jim murez: Bless you. 25 00:07:32.820 --> 00:07:35.090 Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry. Yeah, I just have this perpetual cough. 26 00:07:42.760 --> 00:07:48.980 jim murez: So, Jay, there is a homeless committee meeting that is set to start at 70'clock, and it's not clear 27 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:57.509 jim murez: whether or not our zoom account actually lets us run to meetings simultaneously. The last time we tried to do it Vicki was unable to get it to start, so 28 00:07:57.980 --> 00:08:05.730 Jay Handal: I guess we have to assume that it's not possible and wait and see what happens. 29 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:09.220 Jay Handal: You know we're we're doing budget, we're not doing merit. 30 00:08:09.790 --> 00:08:13.120 Jay Handal: So this should be a fairly quick meeting. 31 00:08:13.230 --> 00:08:14.060 jim murez: Yeah. 32 00:08:14.420 --> 00:08:18.320 Jay Handal: if we stick to what is actually our purview. 33 00:08:19.940 --> 00:08:25.710 jim murez: Well, you're You're a good one with that is, I've been on the committee 34 00:08:26.390 --> 00:08:29.790 Daffodil Tyminski: here. 35 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:41.959 jim murez: I will promote. I I think that's yeah. We we have quorum. So we are going to start the meeting at 60'clock on time. Now let's let's see if I even shows up. I just promoted him. 36 00:08:43.010 --> 00:08:45.409 Jay Handal: There he is. I see him. I'll make 37 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:49.499 jim murez: J. I'll make you co-host but continue to run it if you don't mind. 38 00:08:49.810 --> 00:09:05.659 Daffodil Tyminski: So just very quickly. Does anyone have Helens? I just texted Sima. I don't have Helen cell phone number, but maybe someone just wants to is there, and i'm promoting her now. Okay, if anyone has Helen's cell phone number I would just text her. 39 00:09:05.730 --> 00:09:07.290 Jay Handal: So roll call. 40 00:09:07.480 --> 00:09:10.639 jim murez: J: let me go to the Hold on. 41 00:09:10.970 --> 00:09:13.369 jim murez: I have to share my screen. Give me one. 42 00:09:19.110 --> 00:09:19.870 Okay. 43 00:09:22.570 --> 00:09:24.489 jim murez: Okay. So we're into 44 00:09:24.540 --> 00:09:26.649 jim murez: recording minutes in the 45 00:09:29.170 --> 00:09:31.680 jim murez: agenda. Let's see Here. 46 00:09:33.430 --> 00:09:38.719 Jay Handal: go ahead. And so J. Is here, James, here. 47 00:09:38.810 --> 00:09:41.470 Daffodil Tyminski: Daffodil 48 00:09:41.770 --> 00:09:43.540 Sima Kostovetsky: here, Ivan. 49 00:09:43.810 --> 00:09:45.520 Ivan: Here, Helen. 50 00:09:47.170 --> 00:09:51.090 Jay Handal: Okay. Item: 4 declaration of X Part K. Anybody. 51 00:09:51.270 --> 00:09:54.360 jim murez: I had discussions 52 00:09:54.580 --> 00:10:00.030 jim murez: about both of the the budget items, and also 53 00:10:00.090 --> 00:10:02.799 jim murez: the the 54 00:10:03.800 --> 00:10:11.050 jim murez: walking tour. I had conversations with Rob walking tour and with Michael about the budget. 55 00:10:11.300 --> 00:10:12.079 Got it. 56 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:14.190 Jay Handal: Anybody else? 57 00:10:14.710 --> 00:10:20.689 Sima Kostovetsky: Hi! It's Sima! Obviously I had a conversation with you, Jay, because of my budget item that's on the agenda. 58 00:10:20.800 --> 00:10:21.590 Jay Handal: Got it. 59 00:10:22.420 --> 00:10:28.660 Ivan: Okay, Seeing no one else. Yeah. I I had conversations with Michael about the budget. 60 00:10:29.010 --> 00:10:29.910 Jay Handal: Okay. 61 00:10:31.720 --> 00:10:32.920 Jay Handal: Anyone else? 62 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:33.780 Jay Handal: Good 63 00:10:33.810 --> 00:10:37.230 Jay Handal: Item. 5 approval of prime minutes. Can I have a motion? 64 00:10:37.340 --> 00:10:40.930 Jay Handal: They all make the motion motion By Jim. Second by 65 00:10:45.150 --> 00:10:46.740 Jay Handal: Okay, I didn't did it. 66 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:49.759 Jay Handal: Is there any comment on it? 67 00:10:50.980 --> 00:10:54.729 Daffodil Tyminski: I just this is Daffodil. This is the October seventeenth. 68 00:10:54.880 --> 00:11:01.480 Jay Handal: Yeah, yes, okay, Seeing no comment. Is there anybody abstaining 69 00:11:02.770 --> 00:11:04.169 Jay Handal: anybody against 70 00:11:05.550 --> 00:11:07.459 Jay Handal: that passes unanimous? 71 00:11:08.060 --> 00:11:11.950 Jay Handal: Any announcements in public comment, or an items not on the agenda? 72 00:11:12.390 --> 00:11:13.959 Jay Handal: I see no public. 73 00:11:14.630 --> 00:11:16.710 Jay Handal: so there will be no comments. 74 00:11:19.440 --> 00:11:40.099 Daffodil Tyminski: Who's Who is Jay? Let me interrupt for 1 s who's watching for race? My video is going crazy. I think I should probably turn it off. Yeah, i'm watching to see if anyone else comes on. So, guys, Helen is here. We need to promote her, and in terms of announcements I would just like to note for the record that it is Ivan's birthday today. If I 75 00:11:40.210 --> 00:11:42.430 Daffodil Tyminski: correct happy birthday 76 00:11:42.490 --> 00:11:45.630 Daffodil Tyminski: we got to be 77 00:11:45.660 --> 00:11:53.610 Jay Handal: Guys Item Number 7. I voted. I promoted Helen, and i'll leave it up to somebody else to watch the attendance. 78 00:11:53.720 --> 00:11:58.929 Jay Handal: Okay. So item number 7 green, or just let it continue to sit here and go crazy. 79 00:12:00.730 --> 00:12:04.759 Jay Handal: I item 7 is new business. 80 00:12:05.450 --> 00:12:09.850 Jay Handal: I would like to come back to Number 8. 81 00:12:11.090 --> 00:12:13.319 Jay Handal: Move on to Number 9. 82 00:12:14.580 --> 00:12:22.109 Jay Handal: I'm trying it's purchasing a report. Various events outreach 83 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:23.480 Jay Handal: for 84 00:12:23.680 --> 00:12:33.380 Jay Handal: 5 table clause, 2 for resilience, 3 for general outreach 1750'clock, $875 for the purchase 85 00:12:34.690 --> 00:12:39.379 Jay Handal: any any comments on that. It's gonna have a motion. 86 00:12:39.680 --> 00:12:46.350 jim murez: Yeah, i'm happy to make the motion. But I do have comments. Okay, motion by Jim. Second by 87 00:12:47.630 --> 00:12:49.780 Jay Handal: Sima. Okay, Jim, go ahead. 88 00:12:50.190 --> 00:12:56.869 jim murez: I received an email from a robin that made a lot of sense to me. 89 00:12:57.570 --> 00:13:03.309 jim murez: Kinkos and several other people offer iron on patches these days 90 00:13:06.990 --> 00:13:25.960 jim murez: it would allow us to have many more different tablecloths for many more different particular functions other than just resiliency or just general use. They can be put on to much less expensive tablecloths, I mean. I I know you can buy table class for around 10 or 15 bucks a piece, because I've done them for events. 91 00:13:27.050 --> 00:13:29.110 jim murez: and then iron them on when we need them. 92 00:13:29.270 --> 00:13:38.879 jim murez: And and they last, you know, fairly long period of time. I've actually gotten sweatshirts that way, and it's a cheap way of doing the small, you know low low production. 93 00:13:40.940 --> 00:13:55.909 jim murez: whatever you want to call it. Garments, whatever cloth cloth you know cloth decoration. So I guess I would like to reconsider that. We really want to spend $875, and we could probably do just as good a job for a $100 and have a lot more versatility. 94 00:13:56.290 --> 00:13:58.549 jim murez: and that's my comment. 95 00:13:58.580 --> 00:13:59.710 Jay Handal: Thank you, Helen. 96 00:14:05.930 --> 00:14:13.229 Helen Fallon: I attended the outreach meeting, and as my recollection, there were 2 separate motions. One was for 3, for General outreach. 97 00:14:13.340 --> 00:14:15.719 Helen Fallon: and the one for resiliency was one. 98 00:14:15.930 --> 00:14:20.680 Helen Fallon: so I don't know how this morphed into this sort of all-encompassing motion. 99 00:14:20.830 --> 00:14:22.550 Helen Fallon: And frankly. 100 00:14:23.310 --> 00:14:29.180 Helen Fallon: we shouldn't be looking at motions that are asking for funding without an invoice or an estimate 101 00:14:29.260 --> 00:14:31.720 Helen Fallon: this isn't a proper way to do this. 102 00:14:31.800 --> 00:14:37.170 Helen Fallon: and the outreach committee kind of left it as well for this idea 103 00:14:37.250 --> 00:14:54.789 Helen Fallon: don't cost. We talked about it to my best to my recollection, and the artwork was going to come back. So they're having a decision about what colors or what artwork they would be. So I don't know why this is. Seems premature to be even be looking at this, because it's not complete. Make Make a motion 104 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:55.800 Helen Fallon: I 105 00:14:56.040 --> 00:15:02.579 Helen Fallon: there. I wouldn't. I would make a motion. Send it back to committee. Let them face it up and then represent it. 106 00:15:02.640 --> 00:15:08.970 Jay Handal: Okay. So before we go forward you have a motion to refer it back to committee for details. 107 00:15:09.060 --> 00:15:10.249 Jay Handal: Is there a second? 108 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:14.629 Jay Handal: Is there a second 109 00:15:16.270 --> 00:15:18.930 Jay Handal: going? Once going twice? 110 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:24.360 Jay Handal: Motion dies for lack of a second. Okay, Sima and then Daffodil. 111 00:15:26.630 --> 00:15:32.130 Sima Kostovetsky: I would just like to say for the record that we did actually vote on to 112 00:15:32.270 --> 00:15:34.860 Sima Kostovetsky: tablecloths for resiliency. 113 00:15:34.910 --> 00:15:41.829 Sima Kostovetsky: and also that budget was not discussed in my committee, because we are not a Budget committee. 114 00:15:41.970 --> 00:15:44.419 Sima Kostovetsky: and we needed to pass 115 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:55.040 Sima Kostovetsky: the actual expenditures of the money before I can even go out to the 2 vendors that I discussed at my outreach committee meeting. 116 00:15:55.290 --> 00:15:59.450 Sima Kostovetsky: and the 175 price includes taxes. 117 00:15:59.640 --> 00:16:00.570 Jay Handal: Thank you. 118 00:16:00.750 --> 00:16:01.750 Jay Handal: Daffodil. 119 00:16:04.540 --> 00:16:05.690 Jay Handal: You're muted 120 00:16:06.320 --> 00:16:14.470 Daffodil Tyminski: sorry about that, Sima answered. Part of it. I was curious as to whether what was actually passed at the meeting. So if it was 2 and 3, that's that 121 00:16:15.460 --> 00:16:23.610 Daffodil Tyminski: it does make. I mean, I always find this to be a chicken and egg situation, where to know what we can spend before we can get actual invoices. 122 00:16:23.710 --> 00:16:27.350 Daffodil Tyminski: So would the idea be that we pass this 123 00:16:27.420 --> 00:16:33.910 Daffodil Tyminski: in Budget and give Sima some parameters, and then she comes up with invoices to give to the board 124 00:16:34.170 --> 00:16:38.080 Jay Handal: at at the at the Board meeting. She's gonna need to produce 125 00:16:38.230 --> 00:16:41.369 Jay Handal: either a pro forma invoice or a quote 126 00:16:41.840 --> 00:16:48.630 Jay Handal: that the Board can then see who the vendor is, and what the amount is. This is strictly an allocation. 127 00:16:50.020 --> 00:16:50.860 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay? 128 00:16:51.030 --> 00:16:52.929 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay? And then the other thing is. 129 00:16:52.960 --> 00:17:11.060 Daffodil Tyminski: I've also used the kinkos stuff before. I just I mean the table class we've had. We've had for 10 years like they really last. I don't think the iron on stuff last as Well, I've tried that myself, and unless they've radically altered their capabilities in the last year or so, I I don't 130 00:17:11.069 --> 00:17:13.700 Daffodil Tyminski: I think it's that unreasonable to spend on a table cloth. 131 00:17:13.760 --> 00:17:15.720 Daffodil Tyminski: But that's just my personal. 132 00:17:16.460 --> 00:17:18.590 Jay Handal: Okay, Jim. 133 00:17:20.520 --> 00:17:30.869 jim murez: I I I can't say if the tablecloth will last 10 years, I think it a lot of it depends on how they're used, but I think, for the cost of a $10 table cloth and a 134 00:17:30.970 --> 00:17:34.909 jim murez: 10 or $15 iron on patch. It would be well worth our 135 00:17:35.380 --> 00:17:40.209 jim murez: council looking into that as a possible solution, especially because it could be event-driven. 136 00:17:40.530 --> 00:17:45.609 jim murez: We could have a general one. We still have a few general ones. I know that there's 137 00:17:46.030 --> 00:17:59.359 jim murez: at least one or 2 of them, and and maybe they will still last longer. They just need to be washed. I'm sure that the the iron on ones do not last as long as the ones that are silk screened, but but 138 00:17:59.780 --> 00:18:16.399 jim murez: I don't know that we need them to last that long. Okay? Well, again, you know that's something that the Board can decide where. Well, I just wanted to say that when these things come to us from outreach. I think it would be totally feasible for outreach or any other committee to get a quote. 139 00:18:16.550 --> 00:18:34.720 jim murez: Most vendors will provide a quote for what it is they're going to be providing, and that would have on there that the table cloth was 175, and it would specify what part was taxes, and what part was shipping, and who the vendor was, and everything else. So I think Ellen's comment is is the 140 00:18:34.820 --> 00:18:39.829 jim murez: correct that we should be getting quotes. We don't have to get invoices because it hasn't been made yet. 141 00:18:39.880 --> 00:18:41.960 jim murez: but a quote is certainly reasonable. 142 00:18:42.020 --> 00:18:45.329 Jay Handal: Thank you. 143 00:18:51.060 --> 00:19:02.320 Sima Kostovetsky: Wait, J. Forgive me. Are we taking public comments, or is it still coming to your comments? I'm. Taking public comment. Everyone on the committee has already spoken. Okay, Thank you, Robin Murray? 144 00:19:02.470 --> 00:19:03.250 robin murez: Hi. 145 00:19:03.430 --> 00:19:18.390 robin murez: So yeah, I sent a a suggestion over to you, Sima, popping it to a few of you and I've used yeah, these, you know, Avery and a number of companies have made these great iron on transfers, and 146 00:19:18.450 --> 00:19:27.969 robin murez: they work out really well. And you know, I think, that the difference in price is radical, so I mean I'd be glad to also help. 147 00:19:28.260 --> 00:19:32.189 robin murez: Seem to to help you, you know. Try this out 148 00:19:32.220 --> 00:19:35.480 robin murez: and see if you like it before investing. 149 00:19:35.540 --> 00:19:39.829 robin murez: you know, $800 for what might be $100. 150 00:19:40.030 --> 00:19:45.509 robin murez: You can also like, get a packet of table clause, for I mean, it's just like 151 00:19:45.630 --> 00:19:55.339 robin murez: you know, these days are so much available. So it seems to me that this is a crazy expenditure, for you know something that needn't be we could. 152 00:19:55.430 --> 00:20:12.719 robin murez: you know we could make bags with it, and and they're just all all kinds of options, and we on your committee. You have Brian. He's a photographer. I'm sure he could also do great stuff, and you don't have to do it at kinkos you buy a packet of these. They sell them at Staples or 153 00:20:12.730 --> 00:20:22.810 robin murez: Michael's, and and it gives you a dozen, for they're about $2 a piece for these transfers, and so you could have a table cost that has 154 00:20:23.180 --> 00:20:35.300 robin murez: a number of Logos on it. And anyway, you get my point. I sent you links that show you information about it, and and i'm glad to help it. Just 155 00:20:35.360 --> 00:20:36.710 Jay Handal: Lisa Redmond. 156 00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:46.239 Lisa Redmond: Yeah. Well, now that this is, explain that we're just giving outreach a parameter of what they can play with. 157 00:20:46.360 --> 00:20:50.390 Lisa Redmond: That's fine, but I certainly hope that we can have some 158 00:20:50.410 --> 00:20:51.660 Lisa Redmond: various 159 00:20:52.800 --> 00:20:57.460 Lisa Redmond: invoices and ideas that when they come to the board 160 00:20:57.530 --> 00:21:09.119 Lisa Redmond: so people can see the cost. I hope that you know we get like 3 different quotes would be wonderful, because that's an awful lot to spend. But I do understand that the last ones have lasted so long. 161 00:21:09.160 --> 00:21:18.750 Lisa Redmond: But please, yeah, come with some good, solid quotes and graphic and graphic design, much like the examples that we saw at outreach. 162 00:21:18.960 --> 00:21:19.930 Jay Handal: Thank you. 163 00:21:20.080 --> 00:21:27.940 Jay Handal: Okay, there's no more public comment. It's all close. We will go to a vote. We have a motion by Jim, a second, by Sima. 164 00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:29.560 Jay Handal: Let's vote. 165 00:21:30.580 --> 00:21:31.979 J. 166 00:21:32.010 --> 00:21:33.030 Jay Handal: Yes. 167 00:21:34.410 --> 00:21:35.970 Jay Handal: Jim. 168 00:21:36.280 --> 00:21:37.150 jim murez: Yes. 169 00:21:38.000 --> 00:21:38.970 Jay Handal: Daffodil. 170 00:21:39.190 --> 00:21:40.970 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 171 00:21:42.870 --> 00:21:44.780 Sima Kostovetsky: yes, Ivan. 172 00:21:44.860 --> 00:21:45.820 Ivan: Yes. 173 00:21:46.100 --> 00:21:46.970 Jay Handal: Helen. 174 00:21:47.650 --> 00:21:50.620 Helen Fallon: Well, for the reasons I stated it's in complete motion. 175 00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:57.440 Jay Handal: Okay. So that passes 5 to one. Next item. Hold on 1 s J. I didn't log her in. 176 00:22:00.620 --> 00:22:02.939 How do you vote, Helen? 177 00:22:11.510 --> 00:22:14.879 Jay Handal: The next item is item 10, 178 00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:20.680 Jay Handal: Jim. I'm going to ask. Item 10 is part of item 11 in the Budget amendment. 179 00:22:21.710 --> 00:22:24.570 Jay Handal: So i'm just going to put them both together. 180 00:22:25.520 --> 00:22:26.500 jim murez: Okay. 181 00:22:26.900 --> 00:22:37.349 Jay Handal: So i'll make a note of that, I guess. Which one do you want to have the vote on on 10? We're going to vote on 11, which is the Budget Amendment, which includes the $4,000 for the voter guide. 182 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:43.860 Jay Handal: Now, bear in mind. 183 00:22:45.370 --> 00:22:49.550 Jay Handal: the money has already been voted on in the big budget. 184 00:22:49.650 --> 00:22:53.080 Jay Handal: just not as part of the additional. 185 00:22:56.280 --> 00:22:57.050 Ivan: Okay. 186 00:22:57.900 --> 00:23:02.600 Jay Handal: So item Number 11 is a request to amend the budget. 187 00:23:02.670 --> 00:23:05.950 Jay Handal: Maybe, Jim, you can. 188 00:23:06.730 --> 00:23:09.169 Ivan: Let's see. Companies share the budget. 189 00:23:11.030 --> 00:23:12.089 jim murez: Oh, all right. 190 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:13.770 Jay Handal: Number 11. 191 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:18.070 Ivan: Is that 192 00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.160 Jay Handal: okay? There you go. 193 00:23:21.360 --> 00:23:24.270 Jay Handal: So the budget, the Budget Amendment. 194 00:23:24.990 --> 00:23:31.680 Jay Handal: If you look at the categories, you can see that the 6 months of social is really just 2 months. 195 00:23:31.770 --> 00:23:37.279 Jay Handal: and it's not ads, because social will not let us do ads for elections. 196 00:23:37.330 --> 00:23:49.499 Helen Fallon: Okay, I'm: Sorry to interrupt you, but this the amount approved this isn't the but the motion that was passed in November. I don't know where these numbers came from. 197 00:23:49.950 --> 00:23:58.190 Helen Fallon: but you put amount, approved what it was approved. When was it amended? I I'm. Completely confused. We passed the motion, and the the board passed a motion in November. 198 00:23:58.260 --> 00:24:02.600 Helen Fallon: Amount of proof does not reflect that motion. 199 00:24:02.950 --> 00:24:09.180 Jay Handal: Where did it come from? Where your numbers come from? Okay. Those numbers come from the minutes of the approved budget. 200 00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:12.139 Helen Fallon: the minutes of the approved budget. 201 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:16.409 Jay Handal: That's correct. If you look at the budget that was approved for elections. 202 00:24:16.500 --> 00:24:29.799 Jay Handal: I believe it was November seventeenth. It was November fifteenth. J. These are not the correct numbers. 203 00:24:30.300 --> 00:24:38.919 Jay Handal: I'm. Nobody's making up number. Nobody is making up. This comes. This comes from the administrator. 204 00:24:39.130 --> 00:24:43.459 Jay Handal: The proposed amount is what we're voting on today. 205 00:24:43.740 --> 00:24:48.679 Jay Handal: The total that was allocated was 19,500. 206 00:24:48.800 --> 00:24:53.899 Jay Handal: The new allocation is 19499 48. 207 00:24:57.540 --> 00:25:02.339 Jay Handal: So everybody, please look at the proposed changes. 208 00:25:07.170 --> 00:25:10.740 jim murez: So do we want to talk a little bit about them. It looks to me like the 209 00:25:11.020 --> 00:25:15.860 jim murez: the the printing got moved into 210 00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.730 jim murez: part of it, anyway. Went into Edm. 211 00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:19.810 Jay Handal: Correct. 212 00:25:20.120 --> 00:25:23.600 jim murez: and the graphic design went up slightly 213 00:25:24.590 --> 00:25:25.990 Jay Handal: correct. 214 00:25:26.050 --> 00:25:29.740 jim murez: It looks like contingencies, was removed all together. 215 00:25:31.110 --> 00:25:36.070 jim murez: and there is now a a hand delivered voter guide 216 00:25:36.140 --> 00:25:39.330 jim murez: 20,000 copies that was up by a 217 00:25:39.510 --> 00:25:40.980 jim murez: $100. 218 00:25:41.700 --> 00:25:47.979 jim murez: There was no previous print ads. There was no previous candidate forum. 219 00:25:49.780 --> 00:25:51.340 jim murez: The banners 220 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:58.019 jim murez: we're 0 before, and there's now $300 in banners and posters are $147. 221 00:25:58.440 --> 00:25:59.270 Jay Handal: Correct. 222 00:26:00.130 --> 00:26:02.309 Jay Handal: so that's the budget 223 00:26:02.750 --> 00:26:05.309 Jay Handal: that he is proposing. 224 00:26:06.070 --> 00:26:09.239 Jay Handal: and and I I go back to item 10, 225 00:26:10.390 --> 00:26:13.910 Jay Handal: because the one thing he wants to change 226 00:26:14.220 --> 00:26:16.090 Jay Handal: is the voter guide 227 00:26:17.090 --> 00:26:20.649 Jay Handal: to go by direct mail, not by hand. 228 00:26:22.360 --> 00:26:24.719 Jay Handal: So what he's asking for 229 00:26:24.950 --> 00:26:28.960 Jay Handal: is an additional 4,000 from the budget 230 00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:31.290 Jay Handal: to do it by direct mail 231 00:26:31.470 --> 00:26:34.730 jim murez: and jay. When you say from the budget, you mean from the budget 232 00:26:34.780 --> 00:26:45.250 Jay Handal: of the the the Vnc. The general budget Correct. Okay, correct. And that's and if you look at the item for the Budget Amendment number 12, 233 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:48.410 Jay Handal: that's where the money would come from. 234 00:26:49.060 --> 00:26:50.640 Jay Handal: So basically 235 00:26:51.230 --> 00:26:54.209 Jay Handal: basically what it, what he's saying is 236 00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:58.260 Jay Handal: that the voter guide he's been given 237 00:26:58.280 --> 00:26:59.450 Jay Handal: a lot of 238 00:26:59.820 --> 00:27:07.620 Jay Handal: contact by people saying, the voter, guide by hand doesn't get into everybody's household. 239 00:27:08.040 --> 00:27:12.450 Jay Handal: and it only goes into households and gated areas 240 00:27:12.570 --> 00:27:14.320 Jay Handal: if it's done by mail. 241 00:27:15.260 --> 00:27:24.960 Jay Handal: So he's asking for another $4,000, which would come a $1,000 from Npgs, and 3,000 from outreach 242 00:27:25.220 --> 00:27:28.009 Jay Handal: to satisfy a total budget 243 00:27:29.630 --> 00:27:38.150 Jay Handal: of adding $4,000 on to the 19,000, and change, so can I make that motion. You can. 244 00:27:38.410 --> 00:27:39.839 jim murez: I'll make the motion 245 00:27:40.010 --> 00:27:43.959 Jay Handal: So the the motion is to add the 4,000 246 00:27:44.810 --> 00:27:46.990 Jay Handal: to approve the budget. 247 00:27:47.750 --> 00:27:49.380 Jay Handal: and to 248 00:27:50.460 --> 00:27:54.800 Jay Handal: move the monies from the 2 accounts to the election account. 249 00:27:55.120 --> 00:27:58.889 jim murez: Now, somewhere here does it do we put in here. 250 00:27:59.860 --> 00:28:06.120 jim murez: I'm approved. I approved Number 10, but I guess if we're doing them both together, I should actually be approving Number 11. 251 00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:11.609 Jay Handal: We should be a so. I'm i'm saying we should be taking 1011, and 12, 252 00:28:12.140 --> 00:28:15.089 Jay Handal: and approving them and sending to the board. 253 00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:23.129 Jay Handal: and and if people want to fight over to my mail. Do it by this. That's for the board. That's not for us. 254 00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:34.299 Ivan: Okay. So I should make sure we are. We making all 3 of these items. One item I would I would bundle them and do all 3 together, because they're all germane to each other 255 00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:40.989 Helen Fallon: all right. These were agendizes. This doesn't make any sense to take all 3 together. 256 00:28:41.010 --> 00:28:43.070 Helen Fallon: There are 3 different motions. 257 00:28:43.100 --> 00:28:45.119 Helen Fallon: and i'd like to know 258 00:28:45.420 --> 00:28:50.530 Helen Fallon: we had budgeted $7,000 for print and distribution of an additional mailer 259 00:28:50.760 --> 00:28:55.919 Helen Fallon: already, and another 3, 3,500 that were never set out. 260 00:28:56.020 --> 00:29:00.330 Helen Fallon: So why do we need to add another $4,000 to this budget. 261 00:29:00.620 --> 00:29:03.279 Helen Fallon: I I don't get it. There's things we've eliminated. 262 00:29:03.630 --> 00:29:09.289 Jay Handal: Okay? Well, again, those those are questions that you can ask the administrator at the Board level. 263 00:29:09.630 --> 00:29:22.950 Helen Fallon: Why are we asking Why, Isn't? He explaining this? I mean, we just did explain it to you, Helen. You just not accepting it. I'm looking at what was passed, and we already passed over 11 over $10,000 264 00:29:23.020 --> 00:29:24.180 Helen Fallon: for a mailer. 265 00:29:24.310 --> 00:29:26.090 Helen Fallon: Why would we need to spend 266 00:29:26.460 --> 00:29:37.100 Jay Handal: something like almost $14,000? We're not. We're not looking at what was already passed. We're looking at the fact that for the first month and a half 267 00:29:37.250 --> 00:29:41.450 Jay Handal: to 2 months, not everything that was supposed to be done was done. 268 00:29:41.550 --> 00:30:01.100 Jay Handal: He's amending it so that we can get visibility in the community for the elections with 2 mailers one, and you stated that this was an additional $4,000. Total will now be $23,500. 269 00:30:01.380 --> 00:30:12.210 Helen Fallon: Well, that's not what your spreadsheet shows, and that's not what he's proposing. So this is where I'm. Very confused. J. May I let me see if I can try and clarify this for her. 270 00:30:12.580 --> 00:30:18.029 jim murez: Helen, if you Look at the what's on the screen right now? The third line down. 271 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:34.449 jim murez: Talks about printing 25 postal routes in 9,291 and 13 routes in 900, 202, and I think the 13 is actually not accurate. But that's not important. The important part is that it's 20,000 post cards. 272 00:30:34.660 --> 00:30:42.250 jim murez: Okay. And then it was amended to be 25,000 postcards instead of the original 20,000. 273 00:30:42.430 --> 00:30:45.750 jim murez: So that's how we ended up getting 274 00:30:46.010 --> 00:30:48.080 jim murez: the first mailer out. 275 00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:51.870 jim murez: That is part of the original budget. 276 00:30:52.040 --> 00:30:54.800 jim murez: The original budget talked about 277 00:30:55.040 --> 00:30:57.339 jim murez: having postcards sent out 278 00:30:57.710 --> 00:31:04.140 jim murez: as one on the budget, and it wasn't clear to me back in December. 279 00:31:04.530 --> 00:31:07.169 jim murez: when I was still managing this. 280 00:31:07.350 --> 00:31:17.129 jim murez: If if those postcards were supposed to go out, as it said, in one place in the plan which was described to be for candidates. 281 00:31:17.190 --> 00:31:28.309 jim murez: or as a second place, that it was supposed to be to inform people that we're in an election period. So as a result, it didn't go out in December like you said. 282 00:31:28.360 --> 00:31:32.860 jim murez: and we still have that one mailing available for postcards. 283 00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:34.659 jim murez: The second item 284 00:31:34.940 --> 00:31:37.030 jim murez: was something that we added 285 00:31:37.200 --> 00:31:45.540 jim murez: during the November meeting, to say that we wanted to add an additional 4,000 or $4,500 286 00:31:45.570 --> 00:31:47.199 jim murez: to do a voter guide 287 00:31:47.910 --> 00:31:49.490 jim murez: at the time 288 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.550 jim murez: the number that we had 289 00:31:51.590 --> 00:31:55.569 jim murez: was assuming that we were going to be hand delivering it. 290 00:31:55.600 --> 00:32:05.729 jim murez: But in that same meeting there was a lot of outcry, and there's been a lot of outcry since from a lot of different people in email and all sorts of other places, saying 291 00:32:05.850 --> 00:32:25.550 jim murez: it ends up on the doorstep. It doesn't end up in the person's hand, and in an apartment building. They never get it. They never see it, and I think it was Lisa Redmond that commented Some time back. About 65% of the people in in Dennis are all renters, and the majority of those people Don't ever see this stuff because they have a security gate or a door. 292 00:32:25.610 --> 00:32:27.930 jim murez: and the walking service can't do it. 293 00:32:28.140 --> 00:32:31.510 jim murez: So the decision was made, as I understand it 294 00:32:31.820 --> 00:32:33.879 jim murez: to go back and look at what 295 00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:42.829 jim murez: cost to send that same 25,000 voter guides using Eddm 296 00:32:42.900 --> 00:32:45.160 jim murez: and that number that came back 297 00:32:45.370 --> 00:32:54.100 jim murez: was again almost exactly the same amount as the first amount of Edm. Which is $8,311 and 63 cents. 298 00:32:54.350 --> 00:33:01.530 jim murez: so we went from having a voter guide that was going to be hand delivered to adding another $4,000 to that line. Item. 299 00:33:01.810 --> 00:33:05.369 jim murez: to be able to have it go out through postal. 300 00:33:05.530 --> 00:33:09.519 jim murez: and that's how we came to the $23,500 you're asking for 301 00:33:09.540 --> 00:33:10.660 jim murez: Is that clear? 302 00:33:11.040 --> 00:33:23.159 Helen Fallon: Not really? Jim, because we haven't sent out the $8,300 worth of postcards. And why would we do 2 mailings between in the next month? 303 00:33:23.370 --> 00:33:27.349 Helen Fallon: Why won't the mailings be combined? This is where you're losing me. 304 00:33:27.420 --> 00:33:32.880 Helen Fallon: The only issue left now is getting people to understand how to vote 305 00:33:33.010 --> 00:33:34.060 Helen Fallon: and and 306 00:33:34.090 --> 00:33:36.610 Helen Fallon: directing them to who the candidates are. 307 00:33:36.660 --> 00:33:51.119 Helen Fallon: Either that's a you know. Here's the link to the you know the the candidates, or you're gonna post, or you're gonna be publishing their statements. And the whole thing is going to be one. Why would you do 2 separate mailings? 308 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:58.620 Helen Fallon: So we're getting into the merits of this plan. 309 00:33:58.630 --> 00:34:13.870 Helen Fallon: we here. But this plan doesn't make any sense. Okay, Helen, Thank you. It doesn't need to be increased at all. Helen. Helen. Vote No. Then that's fine. Well, Jay, we should be bringing something that 310 00:34:17.969 --> 00:34:18.870 Jay Handal: Ivan. 311 00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:36.699 Helen Fallon: yeah to mute somebody in the middle of a speaking. That's I've asked you to stop speaking. You've had your time asking a question that isn't getting answered. You've been answered. You're not accepting it, because your answer makes no sense to anybody. Nobody. I didn't answer Jim Gate. I'm not arguing with you. 312 00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:42.949 Jay Handal: Ivan, you're out. I I hear you. I'll. I'll start talking when she's done. 313 00:34:43.139 --> 00:34:45.319 Ivan: Okay. 314 00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:48.850 Ivan: there is a piece of this missing which I 315 00:34:48.900 --> 00:34:54.030 Ivan: told Michael about. He was supposed to add it in, but he didn't we have to pay for the poll. 316 00:34:55.080 --> 00:34:56.569 jim murez: It's there already. 317 00:34:56.739 --> 00:35:09.319 Jay Handal: It was part of the I'm. Sorry J. I don't see it anywhere in the budget. Not fair, because they didn't use the correct most. Well, I didn't ask you, Helen, please. 318 00:35:09.340 --> 00:35:12.299 jim murez: There was $300 originally allocated for it. 319 00:35:13.470 --> 00:35:25.309 Ivan: but it's not here. What? What's the line? Item: I don't see it anywhere. You're right. It's not in Michael's, but it's in the original approved motion from November. It doesn't matter. I'm. Looking at the budget. 320 00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:32.390 Ivan: It needs to be in the budget. Obviously we don't have a choice. We have to pay this 321 00:35:32.780 --> 00:35:36.230 Ivan: all right. The city clerk is telling us we have to pay it. 322 00:35:36.970 --> 00:35:44.229 Ivan: so it needs to be in the budget somewhere. I don't want to wait till the bill comes in, and then we have to go back to the board again 323 00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.139 Ivan: for more money. It should be included in this. 324 00:35:47.170 --> 00:35:50.180 Jay Handal: so amend it to add $300. 325 00:35:50.750 --> 00:35:56.989 Ivan: Okay. So now we don't have the exact figure. I think it's around 270 326 00:35:57.050 --> 00:35:57.950 Ivan: is what 327 00:35:58.250 --> 00:35:59.870 Ivan: what we were told. 328 00:35:59.930 --> 00:36:04.150 Ivan: Correct. Okay, Jim, do you remember? That's what they wanted to charge us? 329 00:36:04.190 --> 00:36:10.010 jim murez: I I got the email from the people, and they said it was 280. But that's fine. 280. Yeah. 330 00:36:10.160 --> 00:36:18.819 Ivan: Okay. So i'd like to amend the budget to add $280 to pay for the our share of the polling place. 331 00:36:19.200 --> 00:36:26.840 jim murez: Jay, can I ask a question If it was already once in in November by the board? Do we have to reapprove it now. 332 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:34.729 Jay Handal: Well, yeah, if we're doing a proposed amend, amended Budget, we have to add it in. 333 00:36:34.820 --> 00:36:47.539 Jay Handal: So well you talked about it or not, it's not got it. I haven't got it. So we're going to add it in for $280, which means we're going to have to take an additional 280 334 00:36:47.900 --> 00:36:50.290 Jay Handal: from outreach 335 00:36:50.770 --> 00:36:52.390 Jay Handal: in. Item 12. 336 00:36:53.520 --> 00:36:56.889 Jay Handal: Okay. Thank you. I have a good catch. 337 00:36:58.790 --> 00:37:03.829 Daffodil Tyminski: 2 questions, as I understand it, what we're doing here is adjusting 338 00:37:03.860 --> 00:37:09.080 Daffodil Tyminski: the previous budget, and then we are in Item 12 339 00:37:09.350 --> 00:37:14.210 Daffodil Tyminski: asking to reallocate so we can cover that budget. Is that right? 340 00:37:14.330 --> 00:37:26.460 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay. Second, we had had some discussion before, and passing a rule that if we were actually involved in the election personally, and I apologize for all this work text coming through. 341 00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:30.209 We could not vote. 342 00:37:30.950 --> 00:37:37.829 Daffodil Tyminski: or we could not be involved in the election. And I just ask Ivan, is that is it correct? My interpretation that we can't vote 343 00:37:38.390 --> 00:37:39.720 Daffodil Tyminski: if we are running 344 00:37:40.680 --> 00:37:41.470 Well. 345 00:37:41.520 --> 00:37:44.279 Ivan: yeah to Not all right. 346 00:37:44.470 --> 00:37:46.329 Ivan: Can Can I explain it straight? 347 00:37:47.050 --> 00:37:55.339 Jay Handal: Let me let me explain it. So we don't go through. 348 00:37:56.050 --> 00:38:01.889 Ivan: I actually to mention this earlier with the conflict. You're You're right. 349 00:38:03.010 --> 00:38:05.310 Ivan: The problem we have here now 350 00:38:06.070 --> 00:38:08.530 Ivan: is when we pass that 351 00:38:08.750 --> 00:38:11.600 Ivan: we didn't know how many candidates we had 352 00:38:12.100 --> 00:38:16.099 Ivan: 17 out of the 21 board members our candidates 353 00:38:18.120 --> 00:38:23.489 Ivan: so if you were to stick with that now you couldn't change anything. 354 00:38:24.320 --> 00:38:30.490 Ivan: so I would say, as long as we don't discuss, or as long as the candidates 355 00:38:30.560 --> 00:38:36.440 Ivan: don't discuss the merits of what's going on, they can vote on the numbers 356 00:38:37.360 --> 00:38:41.740 Ivan: that that would. If you're not going to find this in parliamentary procedure or anything 357 00:38:41.770 --> 00:38:46.810 Ivan: That's just what I would give you the opinion of if I was a Parliamentarian tonight. 358 00:38:47.040 --> 00:38:47.859 Ivan: Okay. 359 00:38:49.150 --> 00:38:51.590 Ivan: I I don't know how else to handle it. 360 00:38:52.860 --> 00:38:56.169 Ivan: because right now I i'm the only one that can vote here. 361 00:38:58.150 --> 00:39:02.040 Jay Handal: So I know I I. The fact that the matter is 362 00:39:02.170 --> 00:39:10.110 Jay Handal: that the intent and the reason for the the board motion on the standing rule 363 00:39:10.200 --> 00:39:12.889 Jay Handal: is so that we're not giving 364 00:39:13.110 --> 00:39:14.109 Jay Handal: direct 365 00:39:14.410 --> 00:39:19.849 Jay Handal: orders of what to put in the print in the print ads. What to put in. 366 00:39:20.140 --> 00:39:24.219 Jay Handal: We're not allowed to direct any of what it is they're doing. 367 00:39:24.260 --> 00:39:29.219 Jay Handal: But our Board responsibility of cost is to vote the money. 368 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:35.879 Jay Handal: Okay, and to make sure that the administrator who is making the decisions is funded. 369 00:39:36.040 --> 00:39:36.959 Jay Handal: So 370 00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:41.499 Jay Handal: while we can't sit there and say, I don't want this. I don't want that. 371 00:39:41.600 --> 00:39:42.560 Jay Handal: Okay. 372 00:39:42.770 --> 00:39:50.629 Jay Handal: if that's what he's asking for. All we're voting on is money to allow him to do the job he was hired to do. 373 00:39:51.370 --> 00:39:54.290 Jay Handal: and that is not a violation of the standing room. 374 00:39:54.870 --> 00:40:07.979 Jay Handal: Okay, so I view this as kind of a substance versus process situation we're not getting in. We're not getting into the depth of what I mean. If we're going to sit here and say, I don't want to do it by direct mail. We can't vote on that. 375 00:40:08.180 --> 00:40:15.429 Jay Handal: because he's he's saying, this is what the plan is to make this work for him, and we hired him to do it. 376 00:40:15.780 --> 00:40:17.490 Jay Handal: So that being the case. 377 00:40:17.750 --> 00:40:19.390 Jay Handal: we just have to fund it. 378 00:40:19.730 --> 00:40:26.680 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay again. I just wanted to raise the issue, and i'm clear i'm got it. Thank you. 379 00:40:28.910 --> 00:40:29.810 Jay Handal: Seema. 380 00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:32.160 Sima Kostovetsky: Yes. 381 00:40:32.380 --> 00:40:33.609 Jay Handal: your hand is up. 382 00:40:33.900 --> 00:40:39.759 Jay Handal: Oh, i'm sorry that must have been left over from 383 00:40:41.140 --> 00:40:49.119 Jay Handal: there, is public comment. Jay. I'm getting up there. That's why i'm going back to attendance. So I have Lisa Redmond. And then 384 00:40:50.580 --> 00:40:53.010 Jay Handal: that will close public comment. Lisa. 385 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.330 Lisa Redmond: Yeah. 386 00:40:58.520 --> 00:41:02.979 Lisa Redmond: this is really tricky. I mean, on one hand, I know we're not here to 387 00:41:03.260 --> 00:41:16.230 Lisa Redmond: argue the merits for me to say this is ridiculous the amount that we're spending on an election, and I have to save that to the board. But, on the other hand, you are a budget committee, and you are here to evaluate 388 00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:18.850 Lisa Redmond: the needs and separate. 389 00:41:18.890 --> 00:41:22.310 Lisa Redmond: Are we logically spending the money correctly? 390 00:41:23.550 --> 00:41:26.670 Lisa Redmond: Not just do we have it in the budget. 391 00:41:27.710 --> 00:41:34.760 Lisa Redmond: and you've done that before in the past with you know Mpgs, and deciding, you know, if they're a lot, you know, valid or not. 392 00:41:34.950 --> 00:41:39.030 Lisa Redmond: So we need to look at that. It is kind of silly that we are. 393 00:41:39.670 --> 00:41:42.389 Lisa Redmond: The Budget plan was, or was created 394 00:41:42.420 --> 00:41:48.150 Lisa Redmond: with 2 postcard mailings, and the first one was designed to obtain candidates. 395 00:41:48.170 --> 00:41:52.609 Lisa Redmond: and that's now passed. And so it is it necessary to do another mainly. 396 00:41:53.370 --> 00:41:55.950 and then my other concern 397 00:41:56.020 --> 00:41:56.979 Lisa Redmond: is. 398 00:41:57.980 --> 00:42:06.889 Lisa Redmond: you approved? And this was said very much, and even at the last special meeting that we have to go with the election plan as approved. 399 00:42:06.930 --> 00:42:16.220 Lisa Redmond: Now I know the budget is separate, but the election plan does not call for all these other things that now people and Michael wants to add in. 400 00:42:16.510 --> 00:42:18.000 Lisa Redmond: So. 401 00:42:18.050 --> 00:42:21.229 Lisa Redmond: Don't, we need to have the board we 402 00:42:21.750 --> 00:42:29.639 Lisa Redmond: commit, and we amend the election plan because you are going outside of the election class quote as approved 403 00:42:29.860 --> 00:42:31.319 Lisa Redmond: in many ways. 404 00:42:31.950 --> 00:42:35.730 Lisa Redmond: So we've got a lot of issues there that need to be looked at. 405 00:42:35.850 --> 00:42:37.380 Jay Handal: Okay, Thank you, Jim. 406 00:42:37.650 --> 00:42:51.660 jim murez: I was just gonna say that I have received an agenda request from Michael to have something on the board to ask the plan to be amended, and he specified exactly what he's planning on doing, and it coincides with what the budget is. 407 00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:52.649 Thank you. 408 00:42:53.050 --> 00:42:55.960 Jay Handal: Okay, I have no other hands. We're going to go to a vote. 409 00:42:57.000 --> 00:43:02.780 Jay Handal: Tim, you want to set up the voting. Thank you. I guess it already? Did. 410 00:43:02.970 --> 00:43:11.010 Ivan: J. Do. We need to vote on that extra $280? It's as amended. 411 00:43:11.100 --> 00:43:16.180 jim murez: Where do you? Where do you want me to run. Oh, does it say as amended, Hold on, though. 412 00:43:16.550 --> 00:43:19.650 jim murez: So the election plan, as attached 413 00:43:20.030 --> 00:43:25.549 Jay Handal: right, and now it's as amended, adding the poll location for $280. 414 00:43:26.260 --> 00:43:36.939 Ivan: Yeah, You You know what, Jake? I'd be a lot more comfortable if we just took a quick quote on that, because it was. It's not going to be in the record anywhere. 415 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:39.499 Jay Handal: Let's start with Item number 10 416 00:43:41.180 --> 00:43:43.220 jim murez: and just take a vote on it. We need to 417 00:43:43.260 --> 00:43:46.019 Jay Handal: item number 10. So motion by 418 00:43:47.160 --> 00:43:58.769 Jay Handal: I I made the motion already. 419 00:43:58.990 --> 00:44:00.330 Jay Handal: We have 420 00:44:04.880 --> 00:44:06.870 Jay Handal: Jim. So, Jim. 421 00:44:07.810 --> 00:44:16.250 Jay Handal: I can't see the voting record. Yeah, it's on the screen, isn't it? No, I got. I've been on my for some reason. 422 00:44:16.610 --> 00:44:19.729 jim murez: Sorry, My! I thought I told it to share. I did 423 00:44:20.120 --> 00:44:22.680 jim murez: it. Just didn't come up there. Now, is that better? 424 00:44:22.960 --> 00:44:29.819 Jay Handal: Okay, there you go. So Jay handle votes. Yes, Jim votes. Yes, yes, Daffodil. 425 00:44:29.960 --> 00:44:31.419 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, Sima. 426 00:44:31.770 --> 00:44:33.410 Sima Kostovetsky: Yes, Ivan. 427 00:44:33.460 --> 00:44:35.149 Ivan: Yes, Helen. 428 00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:36.200 Helen Fallon: Now 429 00:44:36.510 --> 00:44:38.549 Jay Handal: okay. Item Number 11 430 00:44:38.910 --> 00:44:48.270 Jay Handal: to approve the amended budget, and that is, with $280 for the full location motion by Jim 431 00:44:48.340 --> 00:44:49.559 Jay Handal: Second by 432 00:44:51.940 --> 00:44:52.899 Jay Handal: somebody. 433 00:44:55.540 --> 00:44:57.640 Ivan: No. J. What 434 00:44:57.700 --> 00:45:11.960 Jay Handal: What? I. What I asked for is a separate vote on this. I i'm doing it this way. Let's go, but it's not going to show up in the minutes. It's gonna it's gonna show up that. We added $280 into the budget. It's right there 435 00:45:12.370 --> 00:45:13.540 Ivan: 4 436 00:45:14.030 --> 00:45:19.989 Jay Handal: whole location. It's right there. Jim typed it. Please, Ivan, Stop. Thank you. 437 00:45:20.360 --> 00:45:22.489 Jay Handal: Motion by Jim. Second by who 438 00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:27.729 Jay Handal: I need a second. 439 00:45:30.250 --> 00:45:37.200 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, second, it's sorry I was trying to get my zoom screen out. 440 00:45:37.330 --> 00:45:40.759 Jay Handal: Yeah, okay, let's take the vote. J: Yes, Jim. 441 00:45:41.030 --> 00:45:41.910 jim murez: Yes. 442 00:45:42.130 --> 00:45:43.120 Jay Handal: Daffodil. 443 00:45:43.290 --> 00:45:44.149 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 444 00:45:45.280 --> 00:45:46.160 Jay Handal: Sima. 445 00:45:46.630 --> 00:45:47.540 Sima Kostovetsky: Yes. 446 00:45:48.040 --> 00:45:49.849 Jay Handal: Ivan. 447 00:45:51.100 --> 00:45:51.990 Jay Handal: Helen. 448 00:45:52.430 --> 00:45:53.339 Helen Fallon: Oh. 449 00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.709 Jay Handal: no. Okay. Item Number 12. 450 00:45:56.330 --> 00:45:58.119 Jay Handal: The election plan. 451 00:45:58.760 --> 00:45:59.950 jim murez: I'll make the option 452 00:46:00.050 --> 00:46:02.669 Jay Handal: motion By Jim. Second by 453 00:46:03.350 --> 00:46:11.890 Jay Handal: it's staff. I'll second it again. 454 00:46:11.900 --> 00:46:26.090 Jay Handal: you know. At least be courteous and raise your hand. 455 00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:33.040 Helen Fallon: Well, I raised my hand, and you didn't call on me so you already spoke during that coming 456 00:46:33.840 --> 00:46:43.649 Jay Handal: motion is amended to the 32, 80 from outreach, and a 1,000 from Npg. For a total of 40 to 80. 457 00:46:43.830 --> 00:46:49.450 Jay Handal: That's the motion as amended first by Jim, second by daffodil 458 00:46:50.230 --> 00:46:51.140 Jay Handal: vote. 459 00:46:51.950 --> 00:46:55.540 Jay Handal: Yes. Trying to get all the numbers in there right? Okay. 460 00:46:55.740 --> 00:46:57.090 Jay Handal: Jay. Yes. 461 00:46:57.290 --> 00:47:08.349 Helen Fallon: Why are we we? We're supposed to discuss the amendment Jay. We are discussing this. 462 00:47:08.610 --> 00:47:15.720 Jay Handal: Actually, we did discuss it, and we said we were going to amend the motion, and we did. 463 00:47:16.150 --> 00:47:28.400 Jay Handal: If you want to discuss it, go ahead, Helen. What do you gotta say? I'd like an explanation of why you're taking the money out of Npg: what's left in the other balances go online. You can see what the balances are. 464 00:47:28.410 --> 00:47:39.079 Helen Fallon: I think you could provide that to everybody in the public. I'm sure they would like to know what's available in the various accounts like. I said, if you if you go into the Budget Committee. 465 00:47:39.110 --> 00:47:41.020 Jay Handal: You can see the running budget. 466 00:47:43.060 --> 00:47:54.750 Helen Fallon: It's not broken out that way. J. It actually is. It actually is. It's but it wasn't it wasn't clear to me, and i'm pretty good with numbers. 467 00:47:54.860 --> 00:48:04.819 Helen Fallon: Helen, go back and take a look. It's in there. 468 00:48:04.870 --> 00:48:09.989 Jay Handal: So I got a motion by Jim and a second By 469 00:48:10.070 --> 00:48:29.160 jim murez: Yeah, we're in the middle of a vote. You you called for the vote you took. You took a vote, I took a vote, and then a discussion started. I think that that's a basic violation of how meetings are supposed to be conducted absolutely, and I can't I? No way. I have no way of getting Helen to back down. I'm sorry 470 00:48:29.170 --> 00:48:30.859 Jay Handal: they it disruptive. 471 00:48:30.930 --> 00:48:36.999 Jay Handal: and i'm sorry i'm sorry to the committee, but this person is just disruptive. 472 00:48:37.220 --> 00:48:38.350 Jay Handal: Daffodil 473 00:48:39.830 --> 00:48:40.750 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 474 00:48:41.220 --> 00:48:42.169 Jay Handal: Sima. 475 00:48:42.910 --> 00:48:43.700 Sima Kostovetsky: Yes. 476 00:48:43.750 --> 00:48:44.729 Jay Handal: Hi, Ben. 477 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.460 Ivan: Yes. Helen. 478 00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:47.410 Helen Fallon: Oh. 479 00:48:47.450 --> 00:48:54.460 Jay Handal: okay. Last item on the agenda going back. Community Improvement Project application 480 00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:59.290 Jay Handal: can for discussion purposes. 481 00:49:00.330 --> 00:49:01.240 What's that? 482 00:49:01.310 --> 00:49:04.210 jim murez: I've made them get made the motion. Somebody's r 483 00:49:04.290 --> 00:49:13.559 Jay Handal: motion by Jim, who's gonna second it? Second by Helen. All right for discussion purposes, Helen, Your hand is up. 484 00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:17.679 Helen Fallon: I'm gonna wait to see what other questions are coming up. 485 00:49:18.560 --> 00:49:27.390 Ivan: Okay, I like a presentation on this. Yeah. I was just gonna say that Jay could could if she has a presentation. Could she do that first? Sure. 486 00:49:27.410 --> 00:49:28.680 Ivan: Okay, Thank you. 487 00:49:30.230 --> 00:49:34.910 jim murez: I think she was on the phone. I mean on the zoom. That would be Lisa. 488 00:49:35.150 --> 00:49:38.740 Jay Handal: No, Robin Robin Robin. 489 00:49:39.640 --> 00:49:43.939 Ivan: She's the chair of that committee. So the apple can. 490 00:49:44.860 --> 00:49:50.110 robin murez: Yeah, so no, it's not for me personally. It's my committee and 491 00:49:50.340 --> 00:49:54.780 robin murez: it's to create a walking tour of Venice 492 00:49:54.970 --> 00:50:05.510 robin murez: which works on your cell phone or your computer. You can use it either with GPS or 493 00:50:05.640 --> 00:50:12.240 robin murez: how do you say? Just through your browser, and we can have an unlimited number of 494 00:50:12.480 --> 00:50:15.769 robin murez: site that we identify 495 00:50:17.080 --> 00:50:20.919 robin murez: That could be anything from like my committee would put up 496 00:50:21.140 --> 00:50:23.709 robin murez: sites that are of historic interest 497 00:50:23.740 --> 00:50:28.189 robin murez: other committees could put up. I know that the Arbor Committee wants to put up trees. 498 00:50:28.210 --> 00:50:31.779 robin murez: Joe Murphy's committee wants to put up parks 499 00:50:31.980 --> 00:50:40.340 robin murez: people could choose to look at only one of those things like, Take a tour that takes them around to where the parks are in Venice. 500 00:50:40.430 --> 00:50:48.889 robin murez: or they can roam, meaning they'll see anything. That is where they're currently located. Ocean front walk can can do it. 501 00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:52.009 robin murez: I've tested it. It works 502 00:50:52.480 --> 00:50:56.220 robin murez: very well, and it 503 00:50:56.650 --> 00:51:04.910 robin murez: used around the world. The company that has built this platform has been doing it for over 8 years. 504 00:51:07.230 --> 00:51:13.399 robin murez: Let's see. Oh, we the content that we can put up there. It's very easy drag and drop. 505 00:51:13.430 --> 00:51:15.930 robin murez: and it can include everything from 506 00:51:16.090 --> 00:51:19.890 robin murez: photographs per site, multiple photographs. 507 00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:21.229 text 508 00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:23.509 robin murez: audio and video. 509 00:51:24.360 --> 00:51:30.499 robin murez: Let's see what else links to other information. 510 00:51:30.640 --> 00:51:31.680 robin murez: And 511 00:51:32.310 --> 00:51:34.700 robin murez: if you have questions I'm happy to answer. 512 00:51:35.050 --> 00:51:44.969 robin murez: The cost is a $500, and it's can be paid monthly, or however, but that's the annual cost. 513 00:51:45.060 --> 00:51:48.810 robin murez: and we could get it started and 514 00:51:49.240 --> 00:51:57.450 robin murez: and see how people like it. But again it's they're very popular around the world these days, and I think it's worth doing. 515 00:52:05.510 --> 00:52:07.369 robin murez: Did anybody have any questions? 516 00:52:08.520 --> 00:52:10.169 robin murez: Have you heard me speaking? 517 00:52:10.510 --> 00:52:12.290 Ivan: J: Are you? 518 00:52:13.190 --> 00:52:18.919 Jay Handal: Yeah, okay. So we're gonna get to the board comments in a minute. I want to know if there's any other public comment. 519 00:52:20.670 --> 00:52:22.240 Jay Handal: Okay, and none. 520 00:52:23.490 --> 00:52:26.569 Jay Handal: We're gonna go to Helen Fallon. 521 00:52:28.630 --> 00:52:29.430 Jay Handal: Helen. 522 00:52:30.700 --> 00:52:37.589 Helen Fallon: Yeah, I was just actually gonna ask Robin a question, is she she? I think she gave several options. 523 00:52:38.120 --> 00:52:40.019 Helen Fallon: I think, 2 options on this 524 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:41.160 it. 525 00:52:41.240 --> 00:52:47.520 Helen Fallon: And does she have a particular one, that she thinks that the No we ought to be looking at and recommending to the 526 00:52:48.360 --> 00:52:57.309 Helen Fallon: to the board, or should we, looking at both, and letting the board decide she have a preference. If we're looking at at both of them, then we need to also tell the board how they'll be. 527 00:53:00.030 --> 00:53:05.249 robin murez: So. My response is that I think we should go ahead and just do this. 528 00:53:05.330 --> 00:53:16.459 robin murez: What's called the Enterprise Platform. It's for the $500 a year again. Broken down, however, is desired. I've spoken a lot with the 529 00:53:16.540 --> 00:53:17.910 robin murez: developer of this. 530 00:53:17.930 --> 00:53:18.939 robin murez: and 531 00:53:19.130 --> 00:53:25.790 robin murez: he is extremely helpful, and I think that we're going to get probably everything we want, just doing it that way. 532 00:53:27.620 --> 00:53:29.430 robin murez: So that would be my 533 00:53:29.450 --> 00:53:30.870 robin murez: recommendation. 534 00:53:30.930 --> 00:53:38.459 robin murez: and certainly seems like an easy way to to get started on it. One can always upgrade later, but 535 00:53:38.660 --> 00:53:41.149 robin murez: I don't even know that we're ever going to need to. 536 00:53:42.400 --> 00:53:43.759 Jay Handal: Okay, thank you. 537 00:53:43.800 --> 00:53:45.310 Jay Handal: Jim. 538 00:53:45.860 --> 00:53:51.459 jim murez: So I also looked at the program after this came before us 539 00:53:51.480 --> 00:53:54.360 jim murez: the first time, and then went back and looked at it a second time 540 00:53:54.420 --> 00:53:57.650 jim murez: before this came on to to the agenda again. 541 00:53:59.140 --> 00:54:01.170 jim murez: with my technical background. 542 00:54:01.240 --> 00:54:04.400 jim murez: I believe that this is a good solution. 543 00:54:04.550 --> 00:54:10.069 jim murez: and I believe so because it it's a subscription service that can be paid for monthly. 544 00:54:10.100 --> 00:54:29.670 jim murez: They also do offer an upgrade, which is a sizable amount of additional money, and and it buys you what they call a white label, which basically means that in the apple store or in in Google play you'd be able to go in and actually see an icon 545 00:54:29.680 --> 00:54:47.229 jim murez: That, said Venice Neighborhood Council. I don't know if that's worth the money. I don't know if that's where we will get people following. It seems to me that that you know that's something that we can always do in the future if there's money in the future to spend on it. But at this point I think it's a great tool to get our feet wet 546 00:54:47.240 --> 00:55:02.779 jim murez: and and to grow from there. Now, when I say, get our feet wet, I want to mention that that the Tree Committee, the Arbor Committee has also asked for this, in addition to the other committees that Robin already mentioned. I think that this would also be a good tool for all of the committees. 547 00:55:02.790 --> 00:55:12.409 jim murez: and by saying a good tool. I'm thinking that I I listen to a meeting the other day that had to do with. I believe it was the neighborhood committee, the Daffodil hosts. 548 00:55:12.470 --> 00:55:15.520 jim murez: and they were talking about sidewalks. Well. 549 00:55:15.790 --> 00:55:19.370 jim murez: if we had a way of cataloging the sidewalks and a tour 550 00:55:19.770 --> 00:55:36.789 jim murez: it really just creates a a list of where these incidences occur, and we would be able to start cataloging them. That doesn't necessarily mean that we need to publish the link to that particular tour, except perhaps to the people that we want to see it. 551 00:55:36.800 --> 00:55:41.939 jim murez: and I think that that would be true on all committees where any committee has 552 00:55:41.950 --> 00:56:05.989 jim murez: had successes in the community. Perhaps it's parking and transportation, and they've been able to put in new signage at the end of the term or the end of the annual year, when when committee should be looking back at what did they do right? And what if they do wrong. This would sort of be a running catalog that other people would be able to look at and see. This is the kind of stuff that we get involved in. Now, whether or not we publish those links as tourism 553 00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:10.340 jim murez: kinds of links on the outreach page or on the home page. Probably not. 554 00:56:10.870 --> 00:56:16.660 jim murez: That would be the place where we would be doing these historic tours of the tree tours, maybe bird watching tours, whatever. 555 00:56:17.460 --> 00:56:22.170 jim murez: I think it's a great solution, and I think that for the amount of money that they want to charge that 556 00:56:22.890 --> 00:56:27.409 jim murez: we should take the chance with the robin being able to get it up and running 557 00:56:27.520 --> 00:56:29.309 jim murez: to ask the keys to the apple. 558 00:56:29.570 --> 00:56:31.090 Ivan: all of the other committees. 559 00:56:31.370 --> 00:56:37.779 jim murez: and a lot of organization out of it in many different ways that we Haven't even considered. Thank you. 560 00:56:38.020 --> 00:56:41.839 Jay Handal: Any other Board member. 561 00:56:42.830 --> 00:56:45.430 Ivan: Yeah, I yeah, All right, Go on. 562 00:56:46.080 --> 00:56:52.800 Daffodil Tyminski: No, I just have a couple of questions because we did look at this a neighborhood committee, and I and I love the idea. I think it's great 563 00:56:52.940 --> 00:57:04.400 Daffodil Tyminski: the where I thought this fell apart before, and I know Robin thinks that I somehow like like nefariously tanked her application. But that's completely not true. 564 00:57:04.530 --> 00:57:08.550 whereas I understood, this whole thing fell apart before, was one 565 00:57:08.600 --> 00:57:11.689 Daffodil Tyminski: who was responsible for curating the content. 566 00:57:11.820 --> 00:57:19.700 Daffodil Tyminski: But more importantly, as I understood it from the city, they would not fund these types of applications through committees. 567 00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:28.810 Daffodil Tyminski: and that it would obligate us on an ongoing yearly basis like. So we would be basically tying future boards to keep paying 568 00:57:29.430 --> 00:57:35.540 Daffodil Tyminski: right. So. And I don't know if we've solved that problem. I love the idea. I think it's great. 569 00:57:35.600 --> 00:57:41.490 Daffodil Tyminski: I actually don't care who curates it. I know there are people privately working on funding the same thing. 570 00:57:41.690 --> 00:57:47.669 Daffodil Tyminski: not not with these folks, but you know groups of like artists and people like that in Venice. 571 00:57:47.810 --> 00:57:55.640 Daffodil Tyminski: But I think we just should address those 2 questions, because I, as I understood it, that's where that failed before. 572 00:57:55.830 --> 00:57:58.590 Jay Handal: If If you see what the motion reads. 573 00:57:58.760 --> 00:58:02.080 Jay Handal: it's subject to the city clerk approval. 574 00:58:02.520 --> 00:58:05.599 Jay Handal: there are a number of issues that come up 575 00:58:05.720 --> 00:58:09.009 Jay Handal: long term funding. Who's going to curate it? 576 00:58:10.390 --> 00:58:15.410 Jay Handal: There there are issues, but the good thing is in the funding Manual. 577 00:58:15.980 --> 00:58:21.050 Jay Handal: It's required that any c. I have to go to the city clerk 578 00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:23.830 Jay Handal: for funding or review. 579 00:58:24.180 --> 00:58:27.759 Jay Handal: So all those questions that are being asked. 580 00:58:27.810 --> 00:58:30.040 Jay Handal: I'm sure will be looked at. 581 00:58:30.160 --> 00:58:37.530 Jay Handal: Apparently this also requires a contract to be signed, and we can't sign contracts. 582 00:58:37.620 --> 00:58:42.310 Jay Handal: and if it's an automatically renewable contract that won't fit 583 00:58:42.490 --> 00:58:44.500 Jay Handal: under the funding rules. 584 00:58:44.520 --> 00:58:46.490 Jay Handal: So 585 00:58:46.700 --> 00:58:57.710 Jay Handal: you know I i'm in favor of moving this forward to the board with the board, saying, Yes, provided the city clerk approves it. I'm not going to be the one to to say yes or no 586 00:58:57.730 --> 00:59:00.679 Jay Handal: to the merits. That's not our job. 587 00:59:00.890 --> 00:59:13.410 Jay Handal: and i'm not gonna go through the funding rules, because i'm constantly being told. I don't know what i'm doing by certain people. So that being the case you know page 33 of the funding book makes it clear. 588 00:59:13.520 --> 00:59:24.749 Jay Handal: Cips have to go to the city clerk for approval. So all i'm asking everybody to do today is, instead of sitting here saying, I love it. Every committee can do it. We can hang it on trees, buses. 589 00:59:24.790 --> 00:59:26.390 Jay Handal: polls, whatever. 590 00:59:26.480 --> 00:59:36.550 Jay Handal: Let's get it to the board. Let the board, if they approve it, approve it, and let's get it to the city clerk for a final review. 591 00:59:36.980 --> 00:59:40.720 Jay Handal: I'm: sorry. Go ahead. Yeah. So I've already submitted it 592 00:59:40.790 --> 00:59:44.350 Jay Handal: to the city clerk for review, anyway. 593 00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:50.149 Jay Handal: just to be sure that when it get I would like to have an answer back before we get to the board. 594 00:59:50.200 --> 00:59:58.559 Jay Handal: because if it can be approved, then we can amend the motion to say, do it, and we can run the credit card and pay for the first year and be done with it. 595 00:59:59.320 --> 01:00:17.239 Daffodil Tyminski: Did I answer that? No, that that was so. Just let me just say some of the questions incorrect. 1 s Robin, we'll get to you. No, Jay, i'm all for it. I just My point was, let's set it up for success, because I feel like the way this is set up. It was set up 596 01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:22.659 Daffodil Tyminski: as it was set up the last time which the city already told us they won't do right, so we obviously all 597 01:00:22.860 --> 01:00:24.780 Daffodil Tyminski: agree. This is a good idea. 598 01:00:25.090 --> 01:00:30.110 Daffodil Tyminski: That's my only point. But if the idea is, kick it to the city and let them kick it back. That's fine. 599 01:00:30.440 --> 01:00:43.629 Jay Handal: Yeah, it it's up to them. I mean, they They decide what they want to fund what they don't want to fund what it's, what doesn't fit. What's the contract? What's not a contract? And then, after they tell you they change the rules and do it differently again. 600 01:00:43.640 --> 01:00:58.089 Jay Handal: So I just want it in writing. Yes, it's good. Give it to the board, hey? It's good! Go for it, hey? It's bad Here's why Robin, let's work together to try and find out how we make it work around what they tell us. It can't work and then get it done. 601 01:00:58.110 --> 01:00:59.049 Jay Handal: that's all. 602 01:00:59.710 --> 01:01:01.799 Jay Handal: Yes, Robin, i'm sorry. Go ahead. 603 01:01:02.640 --> 01:01:05.159 robin murez: So this is not a contract. 604 01:01:05.390 --> 01:01:13.690 robin murez: It's just like running up for a constant contact, or the web web host, whatever it's called that you have. 605 01:01:14.780 --> 01:01:15.879 robin murez: and 606 01:01:16.260 --> 01:01:18.620 robin murez: it is you can 607 01:01:18.650 --> 01:01:19.740 robin murez: cancel it 608 01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:21.739 robin murez: just on a monthly basis. 609 01:01:21.770 --> 01:01:25.830 robin murez: There is no requirement to be. 610 01:01:26.270 --> 01:01:28.289 robin murez: you know, linkedin for any 611 01:01:28.420 --> 01:01:29.750 robin murez: amount of time. 612 01:01:29.840 --> 01:01:34.659 robin murez: We will own all our own content. We don't lose our content. 613 01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:38.420 robin murez: Let's see what other questions. And again 614 01:01:38.570 --> 01:01:39.470 robin murez: I was 615 01:01:39.840 --> 01:01:49.660 robin murez: Well, I won't even go into it. But it was not ours was not reviewed previously, and I think it's a good idea to raise any questions you have, so that we could 616 01:01:49.680 --> 01:01:50.500 give 617 01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:54.479 robin murez: the correct information to the city and to the committee. 618 01:01:54.650 --> 01:01:57.229 Did you have any other questions with it? 619 01:01:58.010 --> 01:02:01.520 Jay Handal: I, Ivan, I believe, had his hands up. 620 01:02:02.370 --> 01:02:09.329 Jay Handal: He gets his bite at the apple. We have 6 min before the homeless committee, so i'd really like to wrap this up 621 01:02:09.540 --> 01:02:11.859 Jay Handal: in different 622 01:02:12.540 --> 01:02:17.169 Ivan: robin. I'm sorry I disagree with you. There is a contract that was in our packet. 623 01:02:17.660 --> 01:02:20.000 Ivan: It's like a contract. 624 01:02:20.150 --> 01:02:28.679 robin murez: That was, if it was going to be the $5,000 white label. So I said, we have the option it was for both. 625 01:02:29.460 --> 01:02:38.000 Ivan: I had to do it that they were independent contractors who was liable, who was carrying insurance. All that stuff is in it. It's a contract. 626 01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:55.410 Jay Handal: That's why the city clerk gets it and reviews it. It's out. Okay, so that is not in the current application. It was improperly linked. 627 01:02:55.510 --> 01:03:03.350 Ivan: You have the wrong application. We have. 628 01:03:03.390 --> 01:03:07.500 Ivan: Okay, I I I'm going to move that. We postpon this 629 01:03:07.560 --> 01:03:14.709 Ivan: until we get all the correct information, and we hear from the city clerk, and then have it come back, and then we'll look at it. 630 01:03:14.860 --> 01:03:17.000 Ivan: knowing what we can, or we can't do. 631 01:03:17.550 --> 01:03:18.909 Ivan: It's not ready yet 632 01:03:19.330 --> 01:03:25.460 Ivan: that's not true. I've been 633 01:03:26.360 --> 01:03:31.990 Jay Handal: Hold on, we have. We have a motion on the floor. I need a second, or it dies. 634 01:03:32.710 --> 01:03:34.899 Jay Handal: Is there a second to the motion 635 01:03:37.910 --> 01:03:39.180 Jay Handal: going once 636 01:03:39.310 --> 01:03:40.620 Jay Handal: going twice. 637 01:03:42.150 --> 01:03:44.450 Jay Handal: all right, so that motion fails 638 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:53.120 Ivan: that then I would like to amend this to say we will not fund this for more than one year. 639 01:03:53.150 --> 01:04:08.799 Ivan: because the contract has an automatic renewal. 640 01:04:09.260 --> 01:04:15.209 Jay Handal: We can't fund anything anyway, for more than our fiscal year. 641 01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:28.669 Jay Handal: Okay, so we don't need to amend it because we can't do it; and if it's, if it if it if it if it's if i'm, i'm trying to help you, Robin, help me 642 01:04:29.310 --> 01:04:30.569 Jay Handal: if if 643 01:04:31.200 --> 01:04:35.770 Jay Handal: the if anything, in the paperwork that the city clerk says 644 01:04:35.830 --> 01:04:48.179 Jay Handal: that it automatically renews they're gonna come back and tell you they can't do it that way. You got to get a change. If it's it's it's been Robin. Please help me if if 645 01:04:48.220 --> 01:04:49.290 Jay Handal: if if 646 01:04:49.660 --> 01:04:53.320 Jay Handal: if it says you can cancel in 30 days. 647 01:04:53.350 --> 01:05:06.480 Jay Handal: Okay, then there's gonna have to be an automatic cancellation or a board vote for the next year, you know, to allocate the money. People are going to have to be diligent. 648 01:05:06.670 --> 01:05:12.010 Jay Handal: but they're not going to be able to charge a card and get more money without an approval. 649 01:05:12.080 --> 01:05:17.930 Ivan: Now, now today they are. We can cancel it, you know, in third with. 650 01:05:18.010 --> 01:05:33.160 Ivan: and we have 30 days before the end of the contract to cancel it right, but it automatically removes unless we take a like pro action, and I just said that it'll take it'll take vigilance 651 01:05:33.170 --> 01:05:43.379 Jay Handal: to cancel it, and I think that'll be a stumbling block. The city is going to tell us we have to get around. I don't. I don't want to. I don't want a second guess. The same thing with Gmail. 652 01:05:43.630 --> 01:05:59.070 jim murez: We can tell them before we can cancel it. Yeah, Why, don't we just let it go to the city. Now we've got plenty of time before the end of our term to fix it. If there's 653 01:05:59.080 --> 01:06:08.549 Jay Handal: I got one more hand back up, Helen, and then we'll go into a vote. We have 2 min before the next meeting, telling me you got You got 30 s, Helen, do it. 654 01:06:08.580 --> 01:06:12.140 Jay Handal: When was I going to get public comment right now? Let's do it. 655 01:06:12.190 --> 01:06:30.879 Helen Fallon: There needs to be some clarification on what's going to be submitted to the city, because it seems like there's different versions floating around, and I think someone needs to work with Robin and make sure the correct thing goes to the city, and I also think there needs to be some motion that adds how much we're going to spend, and that's coming out of the community. Improvement Grant. 656 01:06:31.260 --> 01:06:36.879 Jay Handal: I think the motion says it's coming out of the community improvement money. 657 01:06:38.240 --> 01:06:41.299 jim murez: I believe it does. But it's a 658 01:06:41.520 --> 01:06:45.439 Jay Handal: yeah Community Improvement project which is the cip money. 659 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.940 jim murez: J: we need to take a vote or 660 01:06:52.960 --> 01:07:01.059 Jay Handal: yes, so we're going to take a vote for $499, and move this to the board subject to the city clerk 661 01:07:01.290 --> 01:07:05.199 Jay Handal: approving it. J: handle votes. Yes, Jim. 662 01:07:06.530 --> 01:07:07.529 jim murez: Yes. 663 01:07:07.900 --> 01:07:08.939 Jay Handal: yeah. For doing. 664 01:07:08.960 --> 01:07:09.870 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 665 01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:10.950 Jay Handal: Sima. 666 01:07:13.940 --> 01:07:14.819 Sima Kostovetsky: Yes. 667 01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:15.879 Jay Handal: Ivan. 668 01:07:16.120 --> 01:07:16.890 Ivan: No. 669 01:07:17.300 --> 01:07:18.209 Jay Handal: Helen. 670 01:07:20.340 --> 01:07:21.169 Helen Fallon: Yes. 671 01:07:21.290 --> 01:07:28.989 Jay Handal: Okay. 5, 1 0. Can I have a motion on? Item the it was 4, 2 672 01:07:30.460 --> 01:07:40.209 Jay Handal: who who voted, and I both voted. No, no, Helen, please, Don't interject. We know what we have here. 673 01:07:40.320 --> 01:07:43.319 Jay Handal: Okay, I need a motion for item 13. 674 01:07:45.370 --> 01:07:47.729 Jay Handal: Someone give me a motion on 13. 675 01:07:49.010 --> 01:07:52.610 Jay Handal: I'll make the motion. And seconded by. 676 01:07:55.310 --> 01:07:59.000 Jay Handal: I think everyone's in favor, Jim. Thanks for putting it together. 677 01:07:59.210 --> 01:08:02.040 Jay Handal: Thank you all. We'll see you at the Board meeting. 678 01:08:02.090 --> 01:08:03.229 jim murez: I'm gonna add 679 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:04.259 jim murez: I 680 01:08:06.030 --> 01:08:09.020 jim murez: and start the next one. Thank you, Jay. Thank you. 681 01:08:09.180 --> 01:08:09.770 Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks.