WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:04.700 This is one. 2 00:00:08.440 --> 00:00:09.300 Okay. 3 00:03:36.440 --> 00:03:37.310 Michael Jensen: Hey, Jim. 4 00:04:09.760 --> 00:04:10.910 Michael Jensen: Jim, can you hear me? 5 00:04:38.920 --> 00:04:39.480 Yes. 6 00:05:15.120 --> 00:05:16.479 Michael Jensen: yes, I can. 7 00:05:17.870 --> 00:05:19.000 Who? 8 00:05:19.780 --> 00:05:35.980 Michael Jensen: Sorry? I'm not going to stay on the meeting. Lauren. I'm promoting you. I'm about to make you Host Kim. Have you noticed? Have Have you noticed every time you open zoom that asks if you want it. It tries to install an update, and then says, Gives you an error code. 9 00:05:37.030 --> 00:05:43.330 jim murez: I haven't gotten the error code, but they seem to always want to update it right when I'm in a hurry to start a meeting. 10 00:05:44.180 --> 00:05:45.990 Michael Jensen: Yeah, okay. 11 00:05:47.050 --> 00:05:53.080 jim murez: they have. They have released 2 updates, though, in the last I don't know 30 days or so. 12 00:05:57.670 --> 00:05:59.800 jim murez: I would say, restart your computer. 13 00:05:59.850 --> 00:06:01.580 jim murez: and then try and do the update. 14 00:06:02.430 --> 00:06:05.599 Michael Jensen: Well, now, i'm running a meeting, so I have to be tomorrow's problem. 15 00:06:05.620 --> 00:06:06.320 jim murez: Yup. 16 00:06:07.270 --> 00:06:13.600 jim murez: alright. I'm going to promote you to host. And you want Lauren to be a co-host. 17 00:06:14.550 --> 00:06:22.859 Michael Jensen: No, thank you. It's just in case something should happen. But okay. 18 00:06:25.600 --> 00:06:28.890 jim murez: all right. So once I make you host, I have no more control. 19 00:06:30.370 --> 00:06:35.930 lauren siegel: Why are you clamping? That's not nice. 20 00:06:36.100 --> 00:06:48.920 jim murez: I will be back, but I have to go get myself ready to get up for the market in the morning, so I have a few chores I have to do, but I do want to come back and listen, especially to the stuff on Lincoln. I want to participate there. 21 00:06:51.020 --> 00:07:00.000 Michael Jensen: Thank you, sir. Your Your host you got. Do you see that 22 00:07:00.030 --> 00:07:06.020 jim murez: I already made screen sharing multiple? I think so. If somebody needs to share a screen. 23 00:07:06.980 --> 00:07:10.450 Michael Jensen: Okay, great. I think I did that. A lot of work Stuff! 24 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:22.020 jim murez: Do me a favor. Just check and look at screen share on the right to the to the screen. Share button. There's a up arrow, and on that up arrow it should show 25 00:07:22.210 --> 00:07:26.109 jim murez: multiple something rather multiple participants. 26 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:30.880 Michael Jensen: Do you see that? 27 00:07:33.180 --> 00:07:39.219 jim murez: I don't see multiple participants 28 00:07:39.930 --> 00:07:43.079 jim murez: and just make sure that's set? 29 00:07:43.850 --> 00:07:45.570 jim murez: Yeah, it's already done. 30 00:07:46.010 --> 00:07:48.899 jim murez: Okay, I wasn't, sure. But now i'll make you host again. 31 00:07:52.790 --> 00:07:56.770 jim murez: Okay, now, you're hosting it all right. I'm going to sign. I'll just be in the background. 32 00:07:56.910 --> 00:07:57.850 jim murez: Bye for now. 33 00:07:58.080 --> 00:07:58.970 Michael Jensen: Okay. 34 00:08:09.160 --> 00:08:11.070 lauren siegel: So Mikhail. 35 00:08:11.340 --> 00:08:12.160 Michael Jensen: Yes. 36 00:08:12.190 --> 00:08:21.410 lauren siegel: So for my presentation. Ocean front walk. Daryl is already in the panelists. She'll be sharing you okay. 37 00:08:21.580 --> 00:08:23.210 lauren siegel: right, No problem. 38 00:08:27.720 --> 00:08:30.590 Just get my stuff right in here. 39 00:09:53.630 --> 00:09:55.680 lauren siegel: How come this is? It's a joint meeting. 40 00:09:58.760 --> 00:10:05.530 Michael Jensen: so you'll notice that every single meeting does that it. It 41 00:10:05.690 --> 00:10:08.869 Michael Jensen: It started as I practice, because 42 00:10:09.100 --> 00:10:09.820 Michael Jensen: yes. 43 00:10:10.060 --> 00:10:16.859 Michael Jensen: there's ever I forget what the number is. I think it's there's 6 people from the board that show up. 44 00:10:17.480 --> 00:10:24.260 Michael Jensen: It ends up being a brown act issue because the Board meeting, because that's a that's 45 00:10:24.550 --> 00:10:25.460 Michael Jensen: half 46 00:10:26.420 --> 00:10:28.169 Michael Jensen: half plus one of a quorum. 47 00:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.860 Michael Jensen: So we do that to avoid. 48 00:10:32.270 --> 00:10:37.450 Michael Jensen: Honestly, it Hasn't, come up a lot recently. I assume her niche. 49 00:10:39.860 --> 00:10:40.970 Michael Jensen: but that's why 50 00:10:41.140 --> 00:10:41.930 lauren siegel: got it? 51 00:10:48.320 --> 00:10:49.430 Michael Jensen: We're a new type 52 00:10:49.550 --> 00:10:50.930 Michael Jensen: promoted you. 53 00:11:06.110 --> 00:11:07.009 Michael Jensen: There you are! 54 00:11:13.760 --> 00:11:15.079 Michael Jensen: Let me just ping. 55 00:11:16.260 --> 00:11:19.320 lauren siegel: I saw a Barry today. He said he was coming. 56 00:11:20.860 --> 00:11:22.410 Michael Jensen: Okay. 57 00:11:33.900 --> 00:11:35.720 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Did I get it, by the way? 58 00:11:35.880 --> 00:11:40.279 Michael Jensen: Oh, thank you. 59 00:11:46.420 --> 00:11:48.839 Michael Jensen: Let's see. Is there anybody. 60 00:12:07.170 --> 00:12:10.069 lauren siegel: We're just looking for one. 61 00:12:11.410 --> 00:12:13.519 Michael Jensen: I just texted. 62 00:12:13.670 --> 00:12:17.690 Michael Jensen: and I know Jeff is going to be. 63 00:12:18.650 --> 00:12:23.449 lauren siegel: I think that is 64 00:12:23.850 --> 00:12:26.059 Michael Jensen: yeah, I'll send her the 65 00:12:26.160 --> 00:12:28.640 Michael Jensen: direct link in a second. 66 00:12:29.750 --> 00:12:30.440 No. 67 00:12:32.300 --> 00:12:36.300 lauren siegel: there's several people having trouble logging in 68 00:12:39.870 --> 00:12:41.700 Michael Jensen: 2 people. 69 00:12:42.510 --> 00:12:43.180 Yeah. 70 00:12:47.450 --> 00:12:48.230 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: you. 71 00:12:49.520 --> 00:12:51.580 lauren siegel: This meeting Id expired. 72 00:12:52.430 --> 00:12:55.079 lauren siegel: What did you use to? I used it. 73 00:12:57.220 --> 00:12:59.570 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Join Cloud. 74 00:13:04.260 --> 00:13:07.470 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I'm. Here. Who's that? 75 00:13:07.760 --> 00:13:08.480 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Sorry. 76 00:13:11.860 --> 00:13:13.010 Michael Jensen: There we go. 77 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:17.930 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Hmm. 78 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:19.560 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: You 79 00:13:26.330 --> 00:13:26.890 I 80 00:13:26.910 --> 00:13:27.550 very 81 00:13:32.820 --> 00:13:33.730 corinne Baginski: hello. 82 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:40.969 lauren siegel: Can you sign on to the 83 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:42.470 lauren siegel: to the meeting? 84 00:13:42.890 --> 00:13:43.700 lauren siegel: Okay. 85 00:13:44.180 --> 00:13:46.049 lauren siegel: All right, Barry. Sign on. 86 00:13:48.610 --> 00:13:51.259 lauren siegel: It looks like Andrew Mika in the audience as well. 87 00:13:51.640 --> 00:13:53.249 Michael Jensen: Okay, cool. So 88 00:13:54.250 --> 00:13:57.109 Michael Jensen: let me grab him. Where does that? 89 00:13:58.430 --> 00:14:01.740 Michael Jensen: So you do the screen share? It moves all of the windows around. 90 00:14:02.430 --> 00:14:03.740 Michael Jensen: No, I can't find them. 91 00:14:03.810 --> 00:14:04.480 Okay. 92 00:14:05.570 --> 00:14:07.949 Michael Jensen: Andrew, coming up. 93 00:14:08.930 --> 00:14:18.630 lauren siegel: Okay? Well, we have a quorum now, so we can get started, and if there's one more person with our hand up, I think that's one of our people. That might be Jeff. You want to add in 94 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.120 lauren siegel: 690, 95 00:14:22.070 --> 00:14:23.290 Michael Jensen: Jeff, is that you? 96 00:14:26.740 --> 00:14:32.270 Andrew Mika: The I? I believe the publicly posted agenda has the wrong 97 00:14:32.760 --> 00:14:38.279 Andrew Mika: zoom information. It might. It might just be me. And for some other reason why it didn't work. 98 00:14:38.520 --> 00:14:42.480 Andrew Mika: But this this could be an issue. 99 00:14:43.220 --> 00:14:45.999 Michael Jensen: I don't think that's the case, Andrew. Because there's 100 00:14:46.180 --> 00:14:52.550 Andrew Mika: and Barry is in the audience as well if you want to add him 101 00:14:58.940 --> 00:15:02.260 Michael Jensen: so. Andrew, is that. Are you on the 102 00:15:02.490 --> 00:15:03.680 Michael Jensen: phone number? 103 00:15:04.450 --> 00:15:06.380 lauren siegel: No, I think that's 104 00:15:08.150 --> 00:15:08.950 Jeff. 105 00:15:09.600 --> 00:15:10.750 Michael Jensen: Can we 106 00:15:11.690 --> 00:15:16.729 Michael Jensen: person who has a 6, 9 0. You raised your hand, are you? Is this Jeff? 107 00:15:17.730 --> 00:15:18.820 lauren siegel: I think it might be? 108 00:15:19.280 --> 00:15:21.079 Oh, no, i'm speaking. 109 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:23.350 lauren siegel: He was on our text. 110 00:15:23.660 --> 00:15:25.309 lauren siegel: He was part of our texting. 111 00:15:26.070 --> 00:15:30.100 Michael Jensen: Okay? Well, I'm going to mute and lower that hand. 112 00:15:32.660 --> 00:15:35.780 Michael Jensen: and i'm going to call the meeting to order we'll. We'll get to 113 00:15:36.000 --> 00:15:39.870 Michael Jensen: people with their hands raised. Bush, for 114 00:15:40.940 --> 00:15:47.250 Michael Jensen: if you are a committee member, can you please raise your hand? Not if you are just looking to speak. 115 00:15:51.200 --> 00:15:51.860 he 116 00:15:53.820 --> 00:15:54.790 Michael Jensen: pressure. 117 00:15:55.230 --> 00:16:02.100 Michael Jensen: Oh, my God, no, no! But could you please lower your hands unless you're a committee member. 118 00:16:10.840 --> 00:16:13.639 Michael Jensen: and I can't promote a panelist who's a phone number? 119 00:16:14.110 --> 00:16:17.980 lauren siegel: Oh, you can't 120 00:16:18.090 --> 00:16:22.319 Michael Jensen: It's 707. Call to order 121 00:16:24.520 --> 00:16:26.050 Michael Jensen: roll Call 122 00:16:27.500 --> 00:16:28.359 Michael Jensen: for him. 123 00:16:28.670 --> 00:16:29.420 corinne Baginski: You. 124 00:16:30.200 --> 00:16:32.090 barrycassilly: Barry, here. 125 00:16:36.330 --> 00:16:37.650 Michael Jensen: Andrew. 126 00:16:37.910 --> 00:16:38.770 Andrew Mika: Here. 127 00:16:38.960 --> 00:16:40.000 Michael Jensen: Lauren 128 00:16:40.080 --> 00:16:40.890 lauren siegel: here. 129 00:16:41.640 --> 00:16:44.829 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Matthew Royce. Not here. 130 00:16:45.620 --> 00:16:47.659 Michael Jensen: I'm here. 131 00:16:47.950 --> 00:16:49.159 Michael Jensen: Jeff Martin. 132 00:16:54.320 --> 00:16:56.020 Michael Jensen: Okay. 133 00:16:57.830 --> 00:17:06.820 Michael Jensen: public or share announcements. So I believe it lasts meeting. There was public comment asking where to send 134 00:17:08.940 --> 00:17:11.560 Michael Jensen: where to send committee wide 135 00:17:11.819 --> 00:17:30.010 Michael Jensen: public comments that were, you know, written, and if someone couldn't appear at the meeting, so I am linking our email address here that i'll go to the entire committee right here, but it'll also appear on each of the agendas 136 00:17:30.200 --> 00:17:36.449 Michael Jensen: in the instructions. You'll see it right here right before the beginning of the actual agenda. 137 00:17:36.630 --> 00:17:39.969 Michael Jensen: So If anyone in the public wants to submit a 138 00:17:40.050 --> 00:17:41.580 Michael Jensen: public comment 139 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:48.729 Michael Jensen: prior to a meeting, they can do that, and we'll incorporate that as part of the record 140 00:17:49.940 --> 00:18:03.219 Michael Jensen: can I get moving on to number? Oh, also, actually, I have one more thing. Jeff. Cal is going to be attending next week on Thursday and introducing himself, Jeff. That was the new planning deputy for 141 00:18:03.450 --> 00:18:05.110 Michael Jensen: Council District 11, 142 00:18:05.470 --> 00:18:15.619 Michael Jensen: so he'll be a quick, probably 10 min, 15 min at the beginning of next meeting. On. That's Thursday next week. I believe it's February third. 143 00:18:16.370 --> 00:18:25.290 Michael Jensen: moving on to Number 5 min from 1 12. Can I get a motion to approve the minutes and a second, please. 144 00:18:28.090 --> 00:18:29.120 Michael Jensen: A second. 145 00:18:29.970 --> 00:18:31.679 barrycassilly: I second. 146 00:18:31.930 --> 00:18:32.920 Michael Jensen: Very. 147 00:18:33.010 --> 00:18:34.829 Michael Jensen: Okay. Anyone opposed. 148 00:18:39.510 --> 00:18:43.139 Michael Jensen: We are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 149 00:18:43.590 --> 00:18:45.620 i'm gonna 150 00:18:47.050 --> 00:18:49.430 Michael Jensen: I mean, I abstain from this because I was not there. 151 00:18:52.340 --> 00:18:56.620 Michael Jensen: Number 6 declaration of conflicts, of interest or ex-party communications. 152 00:18:58.480 --> 00:18:59.640 Michael Jensen: Anyone have any 153 00:19:00.030 --> 00:19:04.360 lauren siegel: i've just been in contact on the case that is being presented tonight. 154 00:19:05.000 --> 00:19:06.389 barrycassilly: I had some good 155 00:19:06.460 --> 00:19:13.049 barrycassilly: text conversations with the owners of 1, 3, 3, 6, I think 156 00:19:13.100 --> 00:19:19.300 barrycassilly: electric, which is next door to one of our projects. So 9 at 1, 33, 8. 157 00:19:20.490 --> 00:19:30.300 Michael Jensen: Okay. I spoke. I got a call about our the link in project motion growingly, and Project Number 10. 158 00:19:30.330 --> 00:19:34.889 Michael Jensen: Remember the public. I forwarded that email, but I'll also read it into the record. 159 00:19:35.130 --> 00:19:38.019 We also did receive an email 160 00:19:38.340 --> 00:19:41.860 Michael Jensen: from, and I spoke to. I believe that Shawn. O'brien is his name. 161 00:19:42.590 --> 00:19:45.429 Michael Jensen: and I received a written comment 162 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:59.419 Michael Jensen: from I think it's the same 1, 3, 3, 6 property owner. I also forwarded that to the entire committee. We'll go through. I'll read it, although I I may not be able to get through the whole thing. 163 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:00.610 It's a few pages long 164 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.250 when we get to that project. 165 00:20:02.620 --> 00:20:04.979 Michael Jensen: Anyone else? 166 00:20:05.760 --> 00:20:06.680 Sure. 167 00:20:09.870 --> 00:20:14.269 Michael Jensen: Okay. So moving on to general public comment. 168 00:20:14.340 --> 00:20:17.780 Michael Jensen: These are 4 items that are not on the agenda 169 00:20:17.820 --> 00:20:31.229 Michael Jensen: public account implemented to 1 min per speaker, and i'm going to Cabinet. Well, I don't think we'll hit 10 min, but please raise your hand if you have a general public comment. That is a comment for something that is not on tonight's agenda. 170 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:40.120 Michael Jensen: Okay, I see 2 hands 171 00:20:45.350 --> 00:20:46.430 caller 172 00:20:46.680 --> 00:20:50.289 Michael Jensen: 3, 1 0 ending in 6, 9 0 173 00:20:50.730 --> 00:20:52.949 Michael Jensen: you can. You are unmuted. 174 00:20:53.020 --> 00:20:54.249 Michael Jensen: and you can speak. 175 00:20:55.240 --> 00:20:56.999 1310****690: That's me, Yolanda. 176 00:20:59.610 --> 00:21:04.589 1310****690: Fine han. I just wanted to find out if you've gotten any response 177 00:21:04.620 --> 00:21:21.920 1310****690: from for the flood insurance that I've been working on. And Daffodil has also been working in. Now that we have a city council that's gonna respond to us. I believe they are also working on it. So I just wanted to remind you of it. 178 00:21:22.040 --> 00:21:34.010 1310****690: And if we, you know, if we can make even, we're going to have something about it tomorrow at our meeting the Bnc Committee, the Vice president of 179 00:21:34.120 --> 00:21:38.430 1310****690: a community meeting tomorrow morning, and I think she's going to have an announcement. 180 00:21:38.520 --> 00:21:41.099 Also, I have a 181 00:21:41.190 --> 00:21:42.100 1310****690: okay. 182 00:21:42.830 --> 00:21:47.479 Michael Jensen: Okay, which I I didn't start a timer. But you can continue 183 00:21:48.150 --> 00:22:04.509 1310****690: okay very quickly. Now that I've been put back as a representative for the department of water and power. It, you know. They say that's always good luck, and there's always good things, and tomorrow morning I have a great announcement, because I contacted 184 00:22:04.600 --> 00:22:12.080 1310****690: the lady who did some weathering and installation for us in Venice. 185 00:22:12.140 --> 00:22:28.169 1310****690: which I had done in my property on the East Side, and I have some good news because the the program has opened up again. So we're gonna have some good news and property owners that are both home and apartment owners 186 00:22:28.180 --> 00:22:35.549 1310****690: that a program has been applied back again, and we're going to have. I'm going to have some information on it, and it's really a great program. 187 00:22:35.620 --> 00:22:42.809 1310****690: Okay. Just wanted to let people know, so they can log into our meeting tomorrow morning at 90'clock. Thank you. 188 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:45.050 Michael Jensen: Great thanks. Yolanda. 189 00:22:45.180 --> 00:22:46.750 Michael Jensen: Okay. 190 00:22:47.270 --> 00:22:49.020 Michael Jensen: Sean. O'brien. 191 00:22:55.860 --> 00:22:56.750 Sean Obrien: Hello. 192 00:22:57.760 --> 00:23:07.610 Sean Obrien: Okay, Great thanks. This. So this this item has been punted 193 00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:20.890 Michael Jensen: several times. We're on general public comment. I know you have a comment about Number 10, right? And we're going to get to that case. This is just general public comment for items that are not on the agenda. 194 00:23:21.130 --> 00:23:24.049 Sean Obrien: I'll speak. Thank you. 195 00:23:24.930 --> 00:23:25.940 Michael Jensen: Okay, thanks. 196 00:23:26.710 --> 00:23:28.659 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Can I bring up something? 197 00:23:29.150 --> 00:23:31.109 Michael Jensen: Hold on. 198 00:23:33.390 --> 00:23:34.870 Michael Jensen: Robin. You 199 00:23:53.530 --> 00:23:55.129 Michael Jensen: Rob, and meres? 200 00:23:57.510 --> 00:23:59.080 Robin Murez: Hi! Can you hear me now? 201 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:05.010 Robin Murez: Okay, it that unmute didn't come up until just then, so I don't. 202 00:24:05.180 --> 00:24:06.550 Michael Jensen: Oh, she's 203 00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:09.690 Michael Jensen: sorry, Robin, that was my mistake. 204 00:24:11.690 --> 00:24:13.250 Michael Jensen: I was trying to lower your hand. 205 00:24:13.290 --> 00:24:16.059 Michael Jensen: Sorry I was trying to lower your hand and the button moved around. 206 00:24:16.320 --> 00:24:24.380 Robin Murez: Okay, so I've been shocked, and I think you know about it, Mikhail. But I don't know if everybody does. And 207 00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:31.490 Robin Murez: this De minimis waiver of a coastal development permit, was issued 208 00:24:31.950 --> 00:24:34.600 Robin Murez: by the California Coastal Commission to 209 00:24:34.910 --> 00:24:37.640 Robin Murez: someone who does not own the property. 210 00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:42.670 Robin Murez: and based on completely false information that that the property is 211 00:24:44.260 --> 00:24:46.029 Robin Murez: dangerous or falling down. 212 00:24:46.320 --> 00:24:47.200 Robin Murez: And 213 00:24:47.270 --> 00:24:48.230 Robin Murez: I 214 00:24:49.120 --> 00:24:53.490 Robin Murez: it. It says that the the top of the dynamics waiver, that if 215 00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:56.149 Robin Murez: there is factual information that is incorrect, that 216 00:24:56.230 --> 00:24:58.589 Robin Murez: the waiver will be 217 00:24:58.760 --> 00:25:10.530 Robin Murez: invalidated. So this came up before the matter came to the Neighborhood council, and just as an individual I asked for them to invalidate it, and much to my shock. 218 00:25:10.690 --> 00:25:20.269 Robin Murez: they said, These are not the basis for invalidating waiver, and I just wonder if you all want to be involved at all, and what I'm referring to is 219 00:25:20.290 --> 00:25:21.910 Robin Murez: the Venice Lifeguard Tower. 220 00:25:22.020 --> 00:25:28.309 Robin Murez: It's owned by the city. The Waiver was 8 issued to the county saying it's County owned 221 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:31.889 Robin Murez: It's a three-story building. They call it a one story. 222 00:25:32.050 --> 00:25:43.319 Robin Murez: and they say that it's at the end of its life, and yet there is a structural engineer's report that says clearly 4 times over that it has no structural deficiencies. 223 00:25:43.650 --> 00:25:47.190 Robin Murez: so it just bewilders me 224 00:25:47.220 --> 00:25:50.750 Robin Murez: that this kind of thing could go on, I guess i'm naive. 225 00:25:50.820 --> 00:25:53.839 Robin Murez: Anyway, I'm very curious as to whether this is something that 226 00:25:53.860 --> 00:25:54.940 Robin Murez: Lupeck might 227 00:25:55.060 --> 00:26:04.540 Michael Jensen: want to address. 228 00:26:05.100 --> 00:26:06.539 Michael Jensen: Oh, yeah, that's fine. 229 00:26:06.560 --> 00:26:08.090 Robin Murez: Yeah, no. I presented it. 230 00:26:08.450 --> 00:26:16.160 Michael Jensen: Okay. So they've already taken an action, although it's it's somewhat different than the point you're raising. 231 00:26:16.310 --> 00:26:21.639 Michael Jensen: But let's talk about this either next week or over. 232 00:26:21.970 --> 00:26:26.739 Michael Jensen: Actually, if you want to talk about it, connect about it this weekend we can. 233 00:26:26.870 --> 00:26:30.389 Michael Jensen: I'll I'll talk to you about whether we can put it on for next week 234 00:26:30.560 --> 00:26:33.739 Michael Jensen: a week from side. All right. Thank you, Robin. 235 00:26:33.820 --> 00:26:35.130 Robin Murez: Sure. Okay, Bye. 236 00:26:40.140 --> 00:26:44.040 Michael Jensen: Okay. Closing general public comments. 237 00:26:44.420 --> 00:26:48.479 Michael Jensen: We don't have any de minimis cases tonight. 238 00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.080 Michael Jensen: Andrew 239 00:26:57.560 --> 00:26:59.480 Michael Jensen: Andrew, do you have a comment? 240 00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:04.299 barrycassilly: Only he knows his hand is up 241 00:27:05.890 --> 00:27:13.810 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Well, i'm renewed. You had a comments as well. 242 00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:30.479 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Bushia, the applicant, and he says, i'm in the meeting, but cannot connect my radio or video or message. How can I share screen and well, we're about to find out, so i'm going to promote her to a panelists, and 243 00:27:30.660 --> 00:27:32.539 Michael Jensen: we'll see if there's a 244 00:27:33.040 --> 00:27:36.789 Michael Jensen: Thank you. Thank you. 245 00:27:37.100 --> 00:27:39.720 Michael Jensen: So moving on, we're on Number 9, 246 00:27:41.950 --> 00:27:45.339 Michael Jensen: 9, a 1,338 electric avenue. 247 00:27:45.560 --> 00:27:46.390 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yes. 248 00:27:49.210 --> 00:27:50.450 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: that's so. 249 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:53.719 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: That's the project. Diana did you want me to say. 250 00:27:54.100 --> 00:28:00.620 Michael Jensen: Well, we'll start off so we're gonna do. We'll start off with the presentation from the applicant. 251 00:28:01.220 --> 00:28:10.649 Michael Jensen: and then, if you have anything you want to add, you can add it will then go through public comment, and then committee discussion. 252 00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:12.890 Michael Jensen: followed by 253 00:28:12.990 --> 00:28:14.650 Michael Jensen: about 254 00:28:14.670 --> 00:28:21.610 Michael Jensen: Yeah, hopefully. So, Bushra, I believe you should be able to unmute yourself. 255 00:28:21.680 --> 00:28:31.140 Michael Jensen: Okay, Can you hear me? Yes, and if you do, you want to share a presentation or anything like that? Because I believe you should be able to screen share? 256 00:28:32.420 --> 00:28:36.310 Bushra: Okay, so i'll be talking. I'll be 257 00:28:36.770 --> 00:28:39.570 Bushra: discussing 1,338 electric. 258 00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:44.409 Bushra: So for this project pretty much 259 00:28:44.550 --> 00:28:51.759 Bushra: it's located on the electric avenue, and the lot is Number 15, and it's also under our D 105 260 00:28:51.810 --> 00:28:56.900 Bushra: zoning admin. And this is our current 261 00:28:57.010 --> 00:29:06.020 Bushra: site, existing site plan, and maybe 262 00:29:08.750 --> 00:29:09.660 Bushra: I will. 263 00:29:11.340 --> 00:29:16.340 Bushra: Okay, I can let me see if I have to stop first. 264 00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:19.090 Michael Jensen: I thought it let you just take over. 265 00:29:19.110 --> 00:29:20.259 Michael Jensen: so try it again. 266 00:29:20.390 --> 00:29:23.359 Bushra: Sorry about that. 267 00:29:24.930 --> 00:29:32.390 Michael Jensen: I amm muted into the host. One me on, mute Andrew. Your Your hand was up, so I called on you. 268 00:29:32.710 --> 00:29:33.819 Andrew Mika: Oh, my bad. 269 00:29:34.030 --> 00:29:35.600 Bushra: Okay, No problem. 270 00:29:35.840 --> 00:29:37.489 Bushra: Do you see my screen now. 271 00:29:37.740 --> 00:29:38.490 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yes. 272 00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:42.429 Bushra: okay. So this is our side project. 273 00:29:42.810 --> 00:29:50.569 Bushra: Our log is Number 15, and it's on facing Electric avenue, and it also falls under Rd. 1.5 zoning 274 00:29:50.620 --> 00:30:06.129 Bushra: so. And since our existing site plan, and where we can see that the the site it's not following any site, setbacks. And so this is our current residents, 1338 electrics, and this 275 00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:18.009 Bushra: and then so basically what? This project? What we're trying to do is the all partially demolished the first floor, and then add a 2 floor on top of that, and then as a total. We will have to one-half 276 00:30:18.060 --> 00:30:20.820 Bushra: bathroom 3 bedrooms. 277 00:30:20.930 --> 00:30:28.160 Bushra: and and then also partially demolishing the existing curve for the New Carport area. 278 00:30:28.660 --> 00:30:41.700 Bushra: And then and so for this project we're also asking for entitlement, and that includes the site setbacks, because if you just look at the existing allowable site, setbacks, or in the very top image here. 279 00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:52.970 Bushra: we this 15 funds and 15 by setbacks, and then that's it Doesn't Give us enough space to build anything. So what we are proposing is to have a 3 foot setbacks all around. 280 00:30:52.980 --> 00:31:11.779 Bushra: and then other entitlement is to have a projection of the balcony on the front yard setback, and then have being able to build a an additional 2 feats above the maximum allowable height, which is 25 feet. So that would give us a 27 281 00:31:11.790 --> 00:31:13.589 Bushra: for total on height 282 00:31:15.030 --> 00:31:16.010 Bushra: and 283 00:31:26.300 --> 00:31:28.200 Bushra: Yeah, that's what I have for now 284 00:31:30.010 --> 00:31:32.130 Bushra: i'm trying to 285 00:31:34.910 --> 00:31:36.360 Bushra: in 2 min 286 00:31:36.390 --> 00:31:37.330 Bushra: presentation. 287 00:31:43.800 --> 00:31:53.580 Michael Jensen: So maybe do you want to describe specifically? I mean, I think it's it's apparent from from the site plan here that the this lot is a substandard, to say the least. 288 00:31:53.630 --> 00:31:56.550 Michael Jensen: He made me talk about the okay. So 289 00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:57.760 Michael Jensen: the 290 00:31:58.650 --> 00:32:01.240 Michael Jensen: there, the property one. 291 00:32:01.270 --> 00:32:06.359 Bushra: Yeah, the orange is the the property line. Yeah. 292 00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:22.170 Bushra: And then we have the 3 foot set that all around. So on the first floor we have 2 bedrooms and one bathroom, and then the stair that goes up to the second floor, and then we have one master back with another phone 293 00:32:23.120 --> 00:32:43.000 Bushra: back and then the third floor. We have the kitchen and the living room, and then as roof terrace on the top, so that that first 4 that's the existing structure. Right? Yes, yes, so we are. We are keeping. The gray wall is the new walk, so we are partially demolishing this part of the first floor. 294 00:32:43.380 --> 00:32:47.120 Bushra: but we are keeping the 2 weeks to your walls. 295 00:32:47.370 --> 00:32:54.839 Bushra: And then this is the balcony that we're asking for the entitlement. So just the projection of the back in the second floor and the third floor. 296 00:32:55.030 --> 00:32:56.400 Bushra: and 297 00:32:57.840 --> 00:33:03.389 Bushra: and then sort of section because we were adding a 3 floor. We need at least like 298 00:33:03.670 --> 00:33:09.919 Bushra: enough room space from the floor to ceiling, but in total we are asking for 27 foot 299 00:33:10.050 --> 00:33:19.149 Bushra: top, and then our elevation, and we tried our best to keep all the windows to the front front front of the electric avenue. 300 00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:22.050 Bushra: So that gives you some privacy for the neighbor right now. 301 00:33:24.860 --> 00:33:25.770 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Hmm. 302 00:33:31.360 --> 00:33:42.830 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: For sure I may ask a question. So the Height, to 27 foot. Are you going from the center of the you know center line of the street, or your 303 00:33:42.840 --> 00:34:00.530 Bushra: thinking that that's a dimension given? From? Can we wait. Can we wait just for her to get. I know I I violated my own, so i'm sorry I started out. I I yeah, 27 is the overall building, height, but from the street it's 27 foot and one and a half inches 304 00:34:00.550 --> 00:34:05.089 Bushra: it's just one and a half inches from the street 305 00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:09.040 Bushra: extra, so it'd be 27 and one quarter inch. 306 00:34:10.250 --> 00:34:10.939 Yeah. 307 00:34:20.980 --> 00:34:23.370 Michael Jensen: is that is that the it for the presentation? 308 00:34:23.449 --> 00:34:25.290 Yeah, yeah. 309 00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.969 Michael Jensen: okay, do you have anything to add? 310 00:34:29.780 --> 00:34:48.949 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Well, I admire the fact that they're getting on. This project done with such a small lot, and and then the 3 foot sit back works pretty well as far as the neighbors that concern are so next door, because they they cannot have any opening, so it gives the neighbor privacy. Next to 1, 6, 6, 8, 311 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:50.649 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: and 312 00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:58.030 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: one thing is the height, and I think the height is more than 27 feet. But doesn't matter. 313 00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:06.409 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: and they it because if they go in for entitled my mind as well, because to floors rises 314 00:35:07.300 --> 00:35:13.190 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: one for the 3 or so, no more than 2 foot 3 from from the sidewalk. 315 00:35:14.750 --> 00:35:22.880 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: also the neighbors I I I mean I respect them. The project is nice, but they respect the neighbors as well, because 316 00:35:23.010 --> 00:35:24.410 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: they 317 00:35:26.370 --> 00:35:32.630 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: they ask for sunrise. This disturbance into the project, but that's the way it is 318 00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:35.189 to. 319 00:35:36.510 --> 00:35:49.989 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: They were. They were concerned about the sound, because once they're on the Tech rooftop. But that's again, you know the the neighbor behind them have a deck as well, and they make a noise. So that's the usual thing. 320 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:59.770 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: and as far as the roof tech is concerned. I'm wondering if you might want to consider sitting it back a little bit. So you don't 321 00:36:00.340 --> 00:36:03.470 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: it the the because their third 322 00:36:03.540 --> 00:36:13.779 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: floor, windows, or bedroom is all around there. So if you're standing right up on the deck, you can look right through there. I don't know. 323 00:36:14.110 --> 00:36:16.789 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: if possible, to give them some privacy there 324 00:36:17.870 --> 00:36:19.999 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: that's about it. 325 00:36:20.120 --> 00:36:20.839 And 326 00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:27.839 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: because I I I think they sent some papers. They wrote it, and they've been. I've been going back and forth measuring things up from outside. 327 00:36:27.970 --> 00:36:30.109 so they're pretty 328 00:36:30.180 --> 00:36:31.540 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: pretty much concerned. 329 00:36:32.710 --> 00:36:43.379 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: but I think everything they're doing now. It's good. It's just whether they want to consider sitting back a little bit on the rooftop, so they don't look into their bedroom, or maybe it' be more quiet, but 330 00:36:44.510 --> 00:36:46.319 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: i'm just. 331 00:36:49.590 --> 00:36:51.820 Michael Jensen: I'm sorry I didn't mean to cut you off on. 332 00:36:51.930 --> 00:36:54.889 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: No, it's okay, I said. What I have to say is no more. 333 00:36:55.930 --> 00:36:59.150 Michael Jensen: Okay? So i'm going to open up. 334 00:36:59.420 --> 00:37:01.140 Michael Jensen: Open it up to public comment. 335 00:37:01.740 --> 00:37:06.530 Michael Jensen: We are going to let me see how many hands you get up here. 336 00:37:08.360 --> 00:37:09.429 Michael Jensen: Just give me a second 337 00:37:09.490 --> 00:37:10.479 Michael Jensen: I 338 00:37:11.300 --> 00:37:14.109 Michael Jensen: a time already. 339 00:37:23.120 --> 00:37:25.129 Michael Jensen: all right, so i'm seeing 4 hands. 340 00:37:25.470 --> 00:37:27.009 Michael Jensen: We're gonna do 1 min 341 00:37:27.420 --> 00:37:30.059 Michael Jensen: of public comment. I see 4 hands. 342 00:37:30.140 --> 00:37:33.480 Michael Jensen: Eddie Robin, Cj. And Stanley. 343 00:37:35.650 --> 00:37:41.169 Michael Jensen: Public comment is going to be closed after Stanley. So i'm just going to call you guys in the order. I think that your hands went up 344 00:37:41.250 --> 00:37:46.900 Michael Jensen: beginning with Eddie 345 00:37:48.140 --> 00:37:48.899 Michael Jensen: Eddie. 346 00:37:49.910 --> 00:37:51.180 Eddie Osuch: Hello. 347 00:37:51.480 --> 00:37:55.180 Eddie Osuch: Yeah. Actually, i'm part of the architecture team on this as well. 348 00:37:55.220 --> 00:37:59.640 Eddie Osuch: and there was just a couple of things that I wanted to mention that 349 00:38:00.140 --> 00:38:01.350 Eddie Osuch: the 350 00:38:02.240 --> 00:38:11.069 Eddie Osuch: project is also adding an additional parking space on the ground floor. That's not currently there. So we're also trying to incorporate that as well. 351 00:38:11.350 --> 00:38:12.750 Eddie Osuch: And as 352 00:38:13.220 --> 00:38:18.189 Eddie Osuch: that was my biggest thing, actually, I bush recovered everything else really. Well. 353 00:38:18.270 --> 00:38:27.260 Michael Jensen: okay. Well, if you want to stick around, there might be questions for and clarification, and i'll also give you guys an opportunity to respond to public comment. 354 00:38:27.630 --> 00:38:30.090 Michael Jensen: Great. Thank you. Okay, thanks. 355 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:33.350 barrycassilly: Mikhail. Should we go into panelists? 356 00:38:33.430 --> 00:38:35.880 Michael Jensen: No, we're going to do panelists after the public comment 357 00:38:35.910 --> 00:38:37.149 Michael Jensen: just as usual. 358 00:38:40.170 --> 00:38:41.540 Robin and yours. 359 00:38:42.390 --> 00:38:51.009 Robin Murez: Hi. So i'm sorry. I For some reason I don't have the Internet tonight. So i'm looking at this on my phone. Where is this on electric? 360 00:38:51.110 --> 00:38:57.809 Robin Murez: What, and who? What's it Surrounding those images really didn't show it to me. But is it 361 00:38:57.990 --> 00:39:01.349 Robin Murez: in the midst of a block or are there? Is there a cross street? 362 00:39:02.600 --> 00:39:07.129 Robin Murez: And it seems like there's no information about 363 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:17.279 Robin Murez: having done public outreach talking to neighbors and getting their feedback. I think that would be invaluable. I mean. Personally, I live 364 00:39:17.530 --> 00:39:33.900 Robin Murez: in a 101 year old cottage, and somebody wants to build 3 feet away from my property line, and i'm horrified. Maybe that's legal. I think that isn't it only legal if it's going to stories. So I think that that's 365 00:39:34.350 --> 00:39:41.049 Robin Murez: the sound that transmits the fire that can transmit is, you know. 366 00:39:41.140 --> 00:39:43.990 Robin Murez: those are things to be considered, and I really. 367 00:39:44.380 --> 00:39:51.410 Robin Murez: I think that if they want to build a townhouse, they should find a property where they can build a townhouse. 368 00:39:51.820 --> 00:39:57.620 Robin Murez: So, anyway, I would question those things. I think we need to hear what the community thinks that's all. 369 00:39:58.300 --> 00:40:01.609 Michael Jensen: Thank you, Robin. Cj. 370 00:40:05.310 --> 00:40:07.239 Yes. 371 00:40:07.450 --> 00:40:10.249 CJ Cole: I guess I really don't understand 372 00:40:10.530 --> 00:40:13.310 CJ Cole: why somebody would buy this lot 373 00:40:13.520 --> 00:40:23.009 CJ Cole: and pay, you know. Not much compared to what locks cost in Venice, but why they would buy this little bitty lot 374 00:40:23.180 --> 00:40:36.459 CJ Cole: and think they're going to put something big on it. It just makes no sense to me. The hot lot isn't growing, you know. It had a house of 554 feet. 375 00:40:36.650 --> 00:40:40.480 CJ Cole: It's a it's a 376 00:40:40.640 --> 00:40:44.160 CJ Cole: 931 square feet. 377 00:40:44.270 --> 00:41:02.360 CJ Cole: you know. It's just like how anybody can think that they can buy something that small and put something this big on it. I do not understand it just to me. Is it just a a a total scam of our community? 378 00:41:02.430 --> 00:41:03.940 CJ Cole: You know it? Just 379 00:41:04.230 --> 00:41:10.220 CJ Cole: yeah, I I I really think we've got to be very careful. 380 00:41:18.750 --> 00:41:22.479 Michael Jensen: Okay, Stanley Noah. 381 00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:31.109 Stanley Nowak: Hello! Can you hear me? 382 00:41:32.230 --> 00:41:35.859 Michael Jensen: Oh, thank you for the opportunity to speak. 383 00:41:36.250 --> 00:41:42.760 Stanley Nowak: My wife, Susie and I. We own the house that's immediately to the left of this project, and we're 384 00:41:43.020 --> 00:41:45.559 Stanley Nowak: horrified and absolutely 385 00:41:45.890 --> 00:41:48.640 shaken by what's being proposed 386 00:41:48.730 --> 00:41:51.869 Stanley Nowak: first of all the plans, if you put them back up 387 00:41:52.070 --> 00:41:54.729 Stanley Nowak: are absolutely inaccurate. 388 00:41:55.120 --> 00:41:59.030 Stanley Nowak: It shows the building on the first floor 389 00:41:59.460 --> 00:42:04.729 Stanley Nowak: actually crossing over the property line into our property. 390 00:42:05.130 --> 00:42:09.890 Stanley Nowak: The buildings existing building is 13 inches and a half 391 00:42:09.940 --> 00:42:14.490 Stanley Nowak: parallel to the southern wall of our property. It does not go at an angle. 392 00:42:16.220 --> 00:42:20.489 Stanley Nowak: The front yard set back, and the plans is barely a foot. 393 00:42:20.780 --> 00:42:24.560 Stanley Nowak: In reality it's 30 plus inches. 394 00:42:25.020 --> 00:42:32.370 Stanley Nowak: The other gentleman said that they're gonna be providing one parking spot. Well, they're taking away one spot on the curb. 395 00:42:33.100 --> 00:42:35.520 It's just nonsense 396 00:42:35.680 --> 00:42:38.060 that's a minute. 397 00:42:38.270 --> 00:42:38.939 Stanley Nowak: Well. 398 00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:45.839 Stanley Nowak: I I've lived here for since 1,966. This is my house. Can I have a minute to speak more 399 00:42:46.120 --> 00:42:53.080 Michael Jensen: I gave you. I gave you a minute. I will read your lengthy, or I'll get through as much as of it as I can. 400 00:42:53.120 --> 00:42:55.599 Michael Jensen: Your lengthy 401 00:42:56.920 --> 00:42:57.979 written 402 00:42:58.100 --> 00:42:59.310 Michael Jensen: save them to us. 403 00:43:01.110 --> 00:43:03.799 Stanley Nowak: So that's all I I mean 404 00:43:03.830 --> 00:43:09.519 Stanley Nowak: 50 plus years in Venice gets me 1 min to protect my house against this outrageous 405 00:43:09.750 --> 00:43:15.410 Stanley Nowak: project. This is one of the most 406 00:43:16.590 --> 00:43:23.120 barrycassilly: when we get to later. Are we? Are we as panelists, able to ask Stanley questions? 407 00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:42.059 Michael Jensen: Yes, we can have that opportunity. But I I do want to say, Stan Stanley. It's nothing nothing personal against you. This is one of there will be a meeting. Assuming this goes through Luke I. Some action. There would be a meeting at the Vmc. There will also be a meeting with the planning department. 408 00:43:42.070 --> 00:43:48.589 Michael Jensen: I believe. Also, there was a community outreach meeting where I think you met with the architects. 409 00:43:48.630 --> 00:43:57.319 Michael Jensen: but we'll we'll talk about that, and we'll get to it. So i'm, i'm not trying to silence you. I just wanna get through at least one run of everything, and it sounds like there's maybe specific questions for you, anyway. 410 00:43:57.680 --> 00:44:02.730 Michael Jensen: Okay, so i'm going to close public comment. Open it up to committee discussion. 411 00:44:05.220 --> 00:44:16.400 lauren siegel: Yes, I do so. When I was reading through the information they mentioned that they were adding a second unit there was going to be an a to you on the first floor. 412 00:44:16.590 --> 00:44:33.719 Bushra: Is that correct? We did have an Edu. Sorry. Do I get to answer the questions? I have some. Okay. So we did have an a do, but because for a do we want to to have a separate entrance with. We later decided that we wanted to not have that, because 413 00:44:33.730 --> 00:44:38.169 Bushra: we don't want to have any exterior stairs going up to the second floor. 414 00:44:38.260 --> 00:44:51.290 Bushra: So for the neighboring pro privacy, and also we don't want any stare to extend on the the site setback. So we just have one upstairs. That goes from the first one to the third floor. 415 00:44:51.800 --> 00:45:00.069 Bushra: So that's no longer. We don't have an edu right now. So right now, based in addition partially the dem demolition, the first one and then addition to the second and third floor. 416 00:45:00.180 --> 00:45:20.070 Bushra: And there was another comment about community outreach. We were required to have it 250 feet of radius, and we send out all the mailing, and we had a meeting 2 weeks ago for those who didn't make it. But just so, you know that we did have a meeting, and we try to outreach to all the community neighborhood. 417 00:45:20.080 --> 00:45:35.669 Bushra: and we do. Yes, our project is 3 story, and that's not the only project new as we can see the one on my screen on the left side. That's also 3 story, and then at the back of the house. It's also a 3 story house. So 418 00:45:35.830 --> 00:45:53.189 Bushra: we looked at the overall Venice design, and how many we just wanted to clarification on the Yes, I I have another question. So what I'm trying to understand is, how necessary are all of the 419 00:45:54.170 --> 00:46:01.279 lauren siegel: additional things that you're asking for. For example, you're asking for an additional 2 feet, plus or minus in height. 420 00:46:01.290 --> 00:46:15.259 lauren siegel: a roof top deck. I understand there is really no outside space, and it makes sense that you want to be outside. But it seems to me, with the property that you've purchased, your applicant has, there are going to be compromises so 421 00:46:15.590 --> 00:46:29.479 lauren siegel: clearly there needs to be outside space. But what about managing the expectations, lowering the property? Making sure that that's not one of the several things that people can object to. Is there a way to compromise, to lower the building so you can accommodate 422 00:46:29.770 --> 00:46:35.429 lauren siegel: a lower outside space and not ask for the the zoning. 423 00:46:35.450 --> 00:46:51.649 Bushra: Yeah. So one is the one of the entire is the site setbacks. And we are asking this because currently the project or the existing resident does not have any site setback, so that that way we have to do it. And also we cannot build. If you just follow up 15 front and setbacks. 424 00:46:51.660 --> 00:47:07.349 Bushra: and the other thing is, we are. We are having 3 stories in order to have a 3 story and 1 one the first floor. We have a cardboard areas just covered, so that brings up the height to at least 8 foot 6 inches, and so adding up all those 425 00:47:07.800 --> 00:47:20.769 Bushra: numbers, we and when you have the 3 foot stories and a space for the vehicle to entrance for the corporate area. The total adds up to at least 27 feet. But if there is a way we can minimize it. We would have done it. Yes. 426 00:47:20.780 --> 00:47:35.799 lauren siegel: Well, it it seems like you need to compromise somewhat. You're asking for a lot. You have neighbors who are sensitive to the proximity of the rooftop deck. There has to be a way to find a compromise. Maybe you reduce the size above the carport or something. But 427 00:47:35.910 --> 00:47:47.159 lauren siegel: I I I just feel like I I understand the setbacks that make sense. You have a very limited lot, but it seems like there has to be some kind of compromise you can find to not ask for so many things. 428 00:47:47.200 --> 00:47:59.840 Michael Jensen: Let me jump in, let me jump in. Let me jump in and just i'm gonna read because I said I was gonna read the the the public comment. No, no, I know. I just want to read for the for anyone on the committee who Hasn't, but also for the public identification. 429 00:47:59.940 --> 00:48:03.690 Michael Jensen: So i'm going to summarize the bullet points, because this is a 2 430 00:48:04.230 --> 00:48:22.490 Michael Jensen: page log text, essentially of stuff. But this is from Mr. Noac who sent it, or just before this meeting. So i'm going to summarize the points here the proposed project cannot be built without receiving multiple variances. 431 00:48:22.510 --> 00:48:28.440 Michael Jensen: part because the lot is 931 square feet, with an existing 554 square, put home 432 00:48:28.770 --> 00:48:31.160 Michael Jensen: as designed to monolithic 30 433 00:48:31.270 --> 00:48:34.060 Michael Jensen: foot high. Wedge shape, structure is. 434 00:48:34.140 --> 00:48:37.699 Michael Jensen: and start contrast and set that characteristics with you joining 435 00:48:37.910 --> 00:48:51.570 Michael Jensen: 1911 and 1,923 residential structures on Electric avenue people using a proposed roof deck with a floor height of 27, would create an unacceptable level of noise, intrusion to privacy of occupants of the adjoining properties. 436 00:48:52.010 --> 00:49:00.010 Michael Jensen: The site lines of this would look directly into the master bedroom of a 1,336 that his home for Pans 437 00:49:00.050 --> 00:49:02.889 Michael Jensen: the existing house are misleading. 438 00:49:03.070 --> 00:49:07.259 Michael Jensen: I'm not gonna get too into that because it sounds like it's it's exactly what 439 00:49:07.720 --> 00:49:17.520 Michael Jensen: what the neighbor said in this public comment the computer generated rending is misleading, showing 1336 to the left as a monolithic 30 440 00:49:17.600 --> 00:49:28.979 Michael Jensen: foot high structure existing is 22 feet, with an 8 foot set back, third floor, and 599 California avenue to the right. You picked it as an l shape 25 441 00:49:29.130 --> 00:49:35.300 Michael Jensen: foot high. Mass Existing is a single-story garage, and the first core of a single family residence with a setback 442 00:49:35.370 --> 00:49:38.800 Michael Jensen: set, second, 4 bedroom emerging from the adjoining roof areas. 443 00:49:39.020 --> 00:49:44.579 Michael Jensen: There's some history here on the buildings, 1,336 was built in 1,923 as a mixed use property. 444 00:49:44.700 --> 00:49:49.110 Michael Jensen: The original building was 22 feet to the top of the parapet caps. 445 00:49:49.220 --> 00:50:00.969 Michael Jensen: building cellularly walls within inches of the property line, shared with 1338, a 34 master bedroom, with a wraparound window on 3 sides, is added in 1,933, and tops out at 30 feet. 446 00:50:01.380 --> 00:50:06.290 Michael Jensen: This this room is set back on the par of a wall by 8 feet. It was 447 00:50:06.490 --> 00:50:09.760 Michael Jensen: inspired by the architectural design of 599, 448 00:50:09.810 --> 00:50:11.049 California. 449 00:50:11.190 --> 00:50:13.860 Michael Jensen: 599, was built in 1,911. 450 00:50:16.390 --> 00:50:24.399 Michael Jensen: It is set back from the second floor is set back in the first floor, with a pilot house, bedroom. 451 00:50:25.310 --> 00:50:31.339 Michael Jensen: 1337. Sixth Avenue. So that's behind the property, I believe. 452 00:50:32.000 --> 00:50:35.340 Michael Jensen: Has a setback documentary feature on the upper floors. 453 00:50:35.460 --> 00:50:38.490 as 1336, and 5, 99. 454 00:50:40.790 --> 00:50:45.009 Michael Jensen: I will tell you what I'm going to. I'll put this up 455 00:50:45.450 --> 00:50:47.029 Michael Jensen: right. Now, because I 456 00:50:51.010 --> 00:50:51.879 just a second 457 00:50:52.130 --> 00:50:54.160 Michael Jensen: I get the screen share. Go. 458 00:50:54.830 --> 00:51:00.680 Michael Jensen: I'll put these comments up and we can resume board discussion. So anyone on the board wanna 459 00:51:01.080 --> 00:51:02.829 Michael Jensen: go next. Gary. 460 00:51:03.910 --> 00:51:10.279 barrycassilly: Yeah, thank you. I have sort of questions for both the applicant and for 461 00:51:10.420 --> 00:51:12.049 barrycassilly: Mr. Noak is it? 462 00:51:12.170 --> 00:51:15.959 barrycassilly: Is how is it possible to ask those questions of each of them? 463 00:51:17.700 --> 00:51:18.649 Sure. 464 00:51:18.680 --> 00:51:19.799 barrycassilly: Okay. 465 00:51:19.820 --> 00:51:25.389 barrycassilly: And so on. The project that's proposed 466 00:51:27.590 --> 00:51:42.500 barrycassilly: Bushra on the I know that the neighbors from 1336 have a concern about privacy in their master bedroom, and looking at your plans for the third floor. 467 00:51:42.510 --> 00:51:56.960 barrycassilly: It. It looks like your your Your staircase, of course, winds down through the entire building, so I understand that you can't move where the staircase is, but I also see that the staircase 468 00:51:57.090 --> 00:51:59.260 barrycassilly: where it opens up to the roof 469 00:51:59.830 --> 00:52:10.859 barrycassilly: opens up to the same side of the building as the neighbors at 1336, so I know you can't step back the deck 470 00:52:10.970 --> 00:52:16.850 barrycassilly: and that exact location because you couldn't. You can get off the stairs. 471 00:52:16.950 --> 00:52:19.140 barrycassilly: But 472 00:52:19.330 --> 00:52:21.680 barrycassilly: I don't know. Is. 473 00:52:21.850 --> 00:52:27.200 barrycassilly: would it be possible to put a higher privacy fence? 474 00:52:28.600 --> 00:52:48.400 barrycassilly: That would be another request for a variance, but a privacy fence right between your where you disembark from the stairs. There's that smaller portion of roof deck but just on on that area where it's it? It it faces 1336. 475 00:52:48.460 --> 00:52:51.170 barrycassilly: Could that be a consideration? 476 00:52:53.280 --> 00:52:57.720 Bushra: Oh, we we can't add a screen. Yes, we can definitely do. That 477 00:52:58.050 --> 00:53:02.319 barrycassilly: Okay. And if you did, I'm thinking that if you went up to 6 feet 478 00:53:02.590 --> 00:53:05.509 barrycassilly: that would eliminate the sideline 479 00:53:05.630 --> 00:53:12.089 barrycassilly: conflict with next door. But then, if we go to the 480 00:53:12.150 --> 00:53:15.649 barrycassilly: other side of that that staircase opening. 481 00:53:16.020 --> 00:53:24.579 barrycassilly: There's deck area. It looks like I could. I couldn't read it that well, but it looks like the deck area wraps around 482 00:53:24.660 --> 00:53:30.959 barrycassilly: the staircase area, and then goes to the edge of the parapet wall 483 00:53:31.200 --> 00:53:35.809 barrycassilly: on the on the side of the building. That shared with 1,336. Is is that true? 484 00:53:36.240 --> 00:53:41.389 Bushra: Yeah, if you can see my screen. Yeah, it. So 485 00:53:41.990 --> 00:53:45.760 Michael Jensen: I just I I I put up the comments. 486 00:53:45.990 --> 00:53:47.089 Bushra: Okay. 487 00:53:47.140 --> 00:53:48.780 barrycassilly: can You take that down for a minute. 488 00:53:48.850 --> 00:53:49.560 Michael Jensen: Yeah. 489 00:53:53.090 --> 00:53:55.219 Michael Jensen: Barry, do you want 490 00:53:55.450 --> 00:53:56.910 Michael Jensen: Mr. Nox 491 00:53:56.990 --> 00:54:02.960 barrycassilly: Response that or his Input: on? 492 00:54:02.980 --> 00:54:17.379 barrycassilly: Can I ask the process question? Barry? Is this appropriate for you to be redesigning this project here at Lupin. Well, Mikhail can answer that, but i'm not redesigning it. I'm. I'm trying to make suggestions. 493 00:54:17.390 --> 00:54:28.009 lauren siegel: Why, wouldn't we just rather send them back to try and find a compromise rather than us doing that here in front of all of these people, putting everybody on the spot. I just don't think it's productive. 494 00:54:28.260 --> 00:54:33.220 Michael Jensen: So this is one of the purposes of having community outreach. So did 495 00:54:33.630 --> 00:54:46.939 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: did you guys meet with the neighbors prior to this they did. Yeah, I've met with the neighbor as well 2, 3 times listening to them. And was this an option that was discussed? 496 00:54:47.380 --> 00:54:50.050 We only had one 497 00:54:50.120 --> 00:54:57.409 Bushra: one of her neighbor next to it, and he was the only one who had a Stanley had objection to this project. 498 00:54:57.810 --> 00:55:02.239 barrycassilly: No, but I was asking you if, like what I'm suggesting, you put. 499 00:55:02.340 --> 00:55:08.820 Michael Jensen: Yeah, I'm asking whether this compromise specifically with something that you guys discuss. 500 00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.029 Bushra: No, we didn't discuss about any screening. 501 00:55:12.260 --> 00:55:19.819 Michael Jensen: it was more. Well, let's bring. Let's bring Stanley into it, and yes, generally. I'd like to not do this on wepec meetings, but 502 00:55:19.850 --> 00:55:20.609 you know 503 00:55:21.200 --> 00:55:37.790 Michael Jensen: we have. Maybe we can make a deal here. I think this is. I really think this is counterproductive. I really think if you want to solve this, we're meeting in a week again. So why don't you guys take this offline? Sit down in a room. It could take us 3 min to do this. 504 00:55:38.040 --> 00:55:52.779 Michael Jensen: Barry's not done previously. Sorry, Lauren. He's got lots more ideas, Mikhail. Well, Lauren, you've made comments that you wish more people would come to these meetings. More people are at these meetings. 505 00:55:52.790 --> 00:56:07.279 lauren siegel: and now you want to salt, tell them to hit the road, so i'm going to. I appreciate the coming together, but I just Don't think this is the place to do that. That's all. We're going to find out very quickly whether there's an appetite for this. So i'm going to mute you and 506 00:56:07.330 --> 00:56:08.299 Michael Jensen: Stanley 507 00:56:14.040 --> 00:56:15.390 Michael Jensen: Stanley. You can speak. 508 00:56:17.900 --> 00:56:21.569 Stanley Nowak: I'm sorry the problem with the project for us. 509 00:56:22.060 --> 00:56:34.160 Stanley Nowak: and it would be for our joining labor neighbors, one of whom is the question is not what your problem is with the project. That was not very suggestion wouldn't be 510 00:56:34.190 --> 00:56:44.420 Stanley Nowak: viable for us, because it would be even a taller wall we would be looking at. It would absolutely devastate all our light and everything that we have going on there. 511 00:56:44.470 --> 00:56:45.910 Stanley Nowak: It'd be hideous. 512 00:56:46.020 --> 00:56:51.969 Stanley Nowak: This project 2 floors, and and do a wrap around deck 513 00:56:52.230 --> 00:56:54.170 Stanley Nowak: on that second. 514 00:56:54.370 --> 00:57:04.899 Stanley Nowak: like the other properties that surround it, respect the properties that are in the neighborhood, make it look like it blends in instead of being like it's been dropped in from outer space. 515 00:57:05.050 --> 00:57:07.400 Stanley Nowak: The projects just too many floors. 516 00:57:07.720 --> 00:57:13.949 Michael Jensen: I just wanted to know whether this this, this 517 00:57:14.040 --> 00:57:20.140 Michael Jensen: compromise, would work for you. It Doesn't: okay. Thank you. I appreciate Barry's thoughts. 518 00:57:22.180 --> 00:57:25.019 barrycassilly: Okay, I I I did have a few more questions. 519 00:57:25.650 --> 00:57:30.010 barrycassilly: and i'll try not to make you crazy. Okay, i'll be brief. 520 00:57:32.410 --> 00:57:34.470 barrycassilly: I I did drive by the site. 521 00:57:34.700 --> 00:57:37.250 barrycassilly: and 522 00:57:37.510 --> 00:57:47.259 barrycassilly: what I gleaned for. Mr. Novak's statements were that the that they had added a third story 523 00:57:47.430 --> 00:58:03.570 barrycassilly: to what was originally a 2 story building. I did look at the permit records. There were a lot of permits pulled on 1336 for different kind of work done over the years. I know it's no longer a commercial structure on the first floor. 524 00:58:03.710 --> 00:58:04.899 barrycassilly: But 525 00:58:04.990 --> 00:58:06.870 barrycassilly: one of the things I noticed 526 00:58:07.000 --> 00:58:15.970 barrycassilly: when I drove over was that 1,336 is built on the lot line, maybe a few inches off, but it looks like it's right on the lot line 527 00:58:16.060 --> 00:58:21.599 barrycassilly: with 1,338, and it has a blank wall going up 22 feet. 528 00:58:23.600 --> 00:58:25.120 barrycassilly: So 529 00:58:26.600 --> 00:58:39.779 barrycassilly: it it just it was. It looked very looming to me, and I was one. But I was wondering from usra. You have windows. 530 00:58:39.850 --> 00:58:47.660 barrycassilly: Do you have windows on the side of the building, facing 1,336, and if so, on what floors do you have them? 531 00:58:49.010 --> 00:58:51.490 Bushra: So we have windows 532 00:58:51.560 --> 00:58:54.380 Bushra: on the first floor, the small windows here. 533 00:58:54.660 --> 00:58:59.830 barrycassilly: and then how can you open that window? There's a building right there. 534 00:59:03.090 --> 00:59:11.539 Bushra: We have a small window. Yes, that's just a in this Slider. Yeah. 535 00:59:11.900 --> 00:59:17.129 Bushra: or and then we don't have any windows on the second floor, not the third floor. 536 00:59:17.340 --> 00:59:34.259 barrycassilly: Okay. So you can so on. The You cannot see into the the the 1336 from any floors. Okay, so the only issue would be the roof deck. And as I see it. I Guess 537 00:59:34.460 --> 00:59:42.440 barrycassilly: we could talk about that later. I'm just trying to get clarification. What's on the site? So your building would be 27, and how many inches 538 00:59:46.030 --> 00:59:53.159 Bushra: 27 feet over our building. Height, but from the street is going to be 27 feet and one 539 00:59:53.740 --> 01:00:02.529 barrycassilly: okay point 25 inch. I don't want to get lost in. But okay, so Mr. Noac said that his building is 30 feet tall 540 01:00:02.590 --> 01:00:04.830 barrycassilly: at the top of the third floor. 541 01:00:04.890 --> 01:00:09.249 barrycassilly: so your proposal will be 3 feet 542 01:00:09.290 --> 01:00:15.390 barrycassilly: shorter than his. Is that correct? Am I reading? Hearing that correctly? 543 01:00:15.930 --> 01:00:18.409 barrycassilly: Okay. 544 01:00:19.980 --> 01:00:22.639 barrycassilly: I have a Can I ask Mr. Novak another question. 545 01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:34.079 Michael Jensen: Yeah. And then, Barry. I'm going to move on to another person. So you I understand. Okay. But go ahead and ask your question, and I'll I'll allow Stanley to speak again, Stanley. 546 01:00:34.180 --> 01:00:44.370 barrycassilly: on your third floor. I know you have a bedroom up there that was added to the original building, and I I I heard you say it was 8 foot set back 547 01:00:44.420 --> 01:00:46.300 barrycassilly: from the edge of the building. 548 01:00:46.350 --> 01:00:51.220 barrycassilly: What's in that 8 feet? Is there nothing there but 549 01:00:51.270 --> 01:00:52.120 barrycassilly: roof 550 01:00:52.290 --> 01:00:55.350 barrycassilly: drains? Or is there a deck up there. 551 01:00:56.570 --> 01:01:05.859 Stanley Nowak: The the the 8 foot is the roof area where I mentioned to you, Barry. We were thinking of having a solar panels put in addition to the top. 552 01:01:06.020 --> 01:01:09.619 Stanley Nowak: that that top bedroom was added in 1,933. 553 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:11.159 Stanley Nowak: Not by me. 554 01:01:11.850 --> 01:01:23.289 barrycassilly: So my question is, it's. Set back your that that master bedrooms will set back 8 feet from the property line. 555 01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:39.409 barrycassilly: Okay. So which would be the set which would be the the You know the extent of your second floor. Is that a walk out deck, or do people not walk out there? No, it it's it's very difficult to access that deck 556 01:01:39.740 --> 01:01:41.579 as it is now. 557 01:01:41.690 --> 01:01:46.089 Stanley Nowak: it is not a use, a usable deck as it is now. 558 01:01:46.120 --> 01:01:48.870 Stanley Nowak: It has a a cool roof on it, though. 559 01:01:48.960 --> 01:01:55.179 barrycassilly: Okay, thank you. That that was just for clarification. I appreciate your answer. Okay, I I'll be quiet now. 560 01:01:56.100 --> 01:02:00.819 Michael Jensen: all right. I see. Andrew. You have your hand up. 561 01:02:03.420 --> 01:02:06.209 Andrew Mika: Yeah, thanks. And 562 01:02:06.620 --> 01:02:08.230 Andrew Mika: I guess I was hoping 563 01:02:08.310 --> 01:02:13.160 Andrew Mika: Barry answered part of this question, but 564 01:02:13.190 --> 01:02:17.349 Andrew Mika: some explanation of the floor plan with the neighbor or the 565 01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:21.779 Andrew Mika: the first floor, that the neighbors, saying that the drawings are inaccurate. 566 01:02:24.090 --> 01:02:27.170 Andrew Mika: but separately. It also sounds like the neighbors 567 01:02:28.300 --> 01:02:35.459 Andrew Mika: property is also up against the lot line there, so can I just have an explanation on that 568 01:02:35.730 --> 01:02:38.180 Andrew Mika: bottom for plan, please. And if that's 569 01:02:38.200 --> 01:02:41.240 Andrew Mika: actually in accurate, or what the story is there. 570 01:02:44.200 --> 01:02:54.920 Bushra: So for the first floor or wall is the way the me. You can see it on the screen. That's how it is right now, and even if you go on the side, the wall just hits the property line 571 01:02:55.110 --> 01:02:56.240 Stanley Nowak: so 572 01:02:56.690 --> 01:03:00.540 Bushra: like I believe you guys are talking about this corner. That's how it is. 573 01:03:00.600 --> 01:03:02.399 Stanley Nowak: Jesus Christ! 574 01:03:02.890 --> 01:03:09.389 corinne Baginski: Can I? Can I stop you right there? Did you do a survey, a total survey that can prove that? Or 575 01:03:10.550 --> 01:03:13.400 corinne Baginski: do you have one that we can look at? 576 01:03:13.550 --> 01:03:16.069 Bushra: I will check with the client. 577 01:03:16.540 --> 01:03:27.990 Bushra: and we can get back to you guys, because I don't have it right now in front of me. Yeah, because if we don't have a survey. I mean, there's no point. I mean, you know, we can talk on night long. Yeah. 578 01:03:28.050 --> 01:03:40.059 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: if I may say, if you do get a survey, you might want to get the height of this surrounding area. There's a step that goes up to the first floor. 579 01:03:40.340 --> 01:03:46.040 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yeah, it doesn't quite show it on your drawings as well. 580 01:03:46.200 --> 01:03:58.740 Michael Jensen: So so if you guys don't have a survey available, i'm inclined to be able to continue this so that you can come back with that information. If that's journey to this, Jim, hold on, let me let me just. 581 01:03:59.240 --> 01:04:01.399 Michael Jensen: Jim, do you have a comment, or 582 01:04:01.680 --> 01:04:11.480 jim murez: I? I just want to. I want to point out a couple of quick things that you probably are aware of, but I want to make sure that they were on the same page when it comes to the board. 583 01:04:11.800 --> 01:04:25.769 jim murez: If the projects gonna be approved above the height. That's in the specific plan, you need to be able to to describe justification for doing so in your in your motion. The height of Oakwood is 25 feet. They're asking for 27, plus 584 01:04:25.820 --> 01:04:35.390 jim murez: the third story that was built in 1,933 is grandfathered, and there's a reason why the specific plan of the land use plan, were both written to be 25. 585 01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:48.559 jim murez: I also want to point out that they have not yet described whether or not they're going to have a roof access structure, and if you're not going to permit that in the project you'd have to specifically state that as a condition 586 01:04:49.040 --> 01:04:55.459 jim murez: because they could go back to building and safety after we get approvals here and get that by right. 587 01:04:57.170 --> 01:04:59.039 jim murez: That's what I 588 01:05:04.280 --> 01:05:09.909 Michael Jensen: so I would say, Bush, is there a survey that exists? 589 01:05:10.770 --> 01:05:14.169 Bushra: I I don't have it with me at the moment 590 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:25.699 Michael Jensen: you might have it. Okay, okay, just to submit everyone. Please. 591 01:05:26.290 --> 01:05:28.429 Michael Jensen: Click. Okay, muting everyone. 592 01:05:28.600 --> 01:05:44.670 Michael Jensen: But I presume that you started the drawing process with a survey, and so I I'm. I'm. Guessing one exists. I would suggest that we continue this either to next week, or perhaps the second meeting in February. 593 01:05:44.680 --> 01:05:49.289 Michael Jensen: because and you can come back with that. I would also say that 594 01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:55.199 Michael Jensen: we need the justifications for the variance. 595 01:05:55.360 --> 01:06:03.730 Michael Jensen: and I can send you those statutory positions. But it's gonna be the same things for the the same findings for the city. 596 01:06:05.730 --> 01:06:10.729 Michael Jensen: And does that sound like a plan? Because I think I I think the 597 01:06:10.850 --> 01:06:19.860 Michael Jensen: support, for this is tepid at best, and I think there's maybe some negotiations you can work with the neighbor on. Maybe not. I mean you might be 598 01:06:20.280 --> 01:06:28.099 Michael Jensen: opposed to you building anything, in which case, then it's it's. It's it's sort of a a waste. But maybe you can talk about some alternatives that might 599 01:06:28.340 --> 01:06:35.840 Michael Jensen: might make this more palatable. Come back with a survey, and we will hear this again either next week or in 600 01:06:35.940 --> 01:06:37.500 Michael Jensen: 4 weeks. 601 01:06:37.690 --> 01:06:38.799 Bushra: Sounds good. 602 01:06:39.650 --> 01:06:40.750 Barry. 603 01:06:43.070 --> 01:06:44.000 barrycassilly: One 604 01:06:52.640 --> 01:06:55.719 Andrew Mika: There, you think you muted yourself as you're talking? 605 01:07:02.730 --> 01:07:20.030 barrycassilly: Very yeah. Sorry. Somebody else was talking over. But could you come back with some photographs that show the subject property, and 1336 also, like you reference to the building behind. 606 01:07:20.080 --> 01:07:24.789 barrycassilly: which is on Sixth Street, I believe. 607 01:07:24.980 --> 01:07:37.460 barrycassilly: Could you also have photographs of the back of that building, because I think that the the these 2 properties, and their relationship to 1338 are the most important thing here 608 01:07:38.010 --> 01:07:44.109 Michael Jensen: have you spoken to the neighbor behind on 6 Avenue. 609 01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:47.349 Bushra: We had a meeting, but they didn't show up. 610 01:07:49.080 --> 01:07:52.179 Well, I mean I would maybe knock on their door and 611 01:07:52.310 --> 01:07:53.180 Michael Jensen: see if 612 01:07:53.320 --> 01:07:54.600 Michael Jensen: if 613 01:07:55.220 --> 01:07:59.000 Michael Jensen: you know they they have an issue, or if they don't, and and 614 01:07:59.240 --> 01:08:01.980 Michael Jensen: that might be relevant. 615 01:08:02.120 --> 01:08:07.230 corinne Baginski: Yeah, I wanted to add 2 on the survey. Make sure to have all the adjacent property 616 01:08:08.220 --> 01:08:10.150 corinne Baginski: shown on the topo. 617 01:08:10.310 --> 01:08:12.549 Bushra: That would help. Yeah, okay. 618 01:08:13.130 --> 01:08:14.050 corinne Baginski: Thank you. 619 01:08:17.149 --> 01:08:24.030 Michael Jensen: Okay. So keep me posted on the new day. We'll we'll talk about when we can bring them back. 620 01:08:24.740 --> 01:08:29.369 Michael Jensen: Okay. So i'm going to move on now to 621 01:08:32.279 --> 01:08:34.100 Michael Jensen: just a second here 622 01:08:35.080 --> 01:08:36.210 Michael Jensen: case 623 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.950 Michael Jensen: the 48 19 ocean front walk. 624 01:08:45.300 --> 01:08:47.530 Michael Jensen: Lauren. Who should I be looking for in the 625 01:08:51.100 --> 01:08:52.950 lauren siegel: Are you gonna allow me to unmute? 626 01:08:54.670 --> 01:09:00.209 lauren siegel: I think you're on muted? You're you're looking for, Daryl. 627 01:09:02.100 --> 01:09:11.470 lauren siegel: They're all there he is. Okay. Promote to panelist, and and I guess the question, Daryl, do you have your client with you as well? 628 01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:32.030 lauren siegel: So dial you're muted. 629 01:09:34.210 --> 01:09:36.370 Michael Jensen: I it might be. 630 01:09:36.770 --> 01:09:37.420 Oh. 631 01:09:37.660 --> 01:09:38.620 Michael Jensen: oh, here 632 01:09:39.790 --> 01:09:48.509 lauren siegel: you can talk! That is that better? 633 01:09:48.800 --> 01:10:01.660 darylolesinski: I believe my client is in the is on or on the call, and i'm just not sure he wants to be a panelist or not, but that I leave that to him. I know that he's on the call. He's. You know I've been texting 634 01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:07.089 darylolesinski: since this hearing I started, so I am not 100% sure his name is Evan, so i'm not sure if he's 635 01:10:07.490 --> 01:10:14.979 darylolesinski: if he's. If he wants to be as a panelist, or wants to be promoted or not. Well, we can. I'll tell you what how about I do? You have a presentation that you're going to share. 636 01:10:15.260 --> 01:10:18.470 darylolesinski: I do. Yes, I'm sharing my screen right now. I'm trying to. 637 01:10:18.590 --> 01:10:22.010 Michael Jensen: Yeah, let me. Just I have to end mine. Okay. 638 01:10:22.140 --> 01:10:23.190 Michael Jensen: just a second. 639 01:10:23.420 --> 01:10:24.830 Michael Jensen: and 640 01:10:26.270 --> 01:10:32.960 Michael Jensen: and after you run through your presentation I can not promote it to panelists, but just allow him to speak 641 01:10:33.140 --> 01:10:35.239 Michael Jensen: if he's got anything that 642 01:10:35.780 --> 01:10:36.440 darylolesinski: sure. 643 01:10:36.820 --> 01:10:48.999 darylolesinski: Alright, Good evening, everyone. My name is Daryl Olaciski. I am the principal of a plus building projects. The office responsible for the design of the project under consideration this evening. 644 01:10:49.280 --> 01:11:01.149 darylolesinski: The project consists of a remodel, in addition to the existing single from the residents located at the northwest corner of Ocean Front Walk and Re Street addresses 48, and 19 ocean front walk. 645 01:11:01.160 --> 01:11:12.180 darylolesinski: under the application number the Ir 2,02276, 44, and the sequel number environmental, to 22 t020-22-7644 ce 646 01:11:12.980 --> 01:11:24.029 darylolesinski: as for the demolition and plan, provided in the civil package approximately 73% of the existing perimeter of the structure is going to be removed and replaced with new building. 647 01:11:24.050 --> 01:11:26.519 darylolesinski: The site is zoned r 3, 648 01:11:26.560 --> 01:11:38.510 darylolesinski: and the project has been designed completely and utterly within the compliance of the zoning code, and we are in no way asking for any variances or any other entitlements except what is allowed by code. 649 01:11:40.030 --> 01:11:55.670 darylolesinski: The building. The building presented has been designed, and is intended for the private use of these clients. They plan to live in this problem in this house, so it is not a for sale product. This is meant to be for them, and the program created is based on their wishes. 650 01:11:56.160 --> 01:12:02.749 darylolesinski: Can you show some slides, so we can see what it looks like, please. 651 01:12:02.760 --> 01:12:17.029 darylolesinski: As for as for the request of the 3, we're here to present the the existing structure is a 2,500 square foot, 2 story building, built in 1,911, with subsequent editions in 37 and 51. 652 01:12:17.110 --> 01:12:22.269 darylolesinski: The building has been determined to be non-historic in any state any manner at all. 653 01:12:22.460 --> 01:12:27.319 darylolesinski: The the building is consist of a wood structure white collaborate with 654 01:12:27.480 --> 01:12:29.620 darylolesinski: powder, blue, and yellow trim. 655 01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.789 darylolesinski: facing on a corner of reef and and ocean front walk. 656 01:12:34.250 --> 01:12:42.890 darylolesinski: The neighboring structures around the property are the the daming structure through the to the north consists of a 2 story structure, with a bump up 657 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:49.149 darylolesinski: portion that leads for the that's more towards the ocean at about 27 to 28 feet tall. 658 01:12:49.180 --> 01:12:55.910 darylolesinski: and across retreat. To the south is a 45 of 45 foot qualified 40 condominium block 659 01:12:56.500 --> 01:13:05.839 darylolesinski: the entire area. Obviously, you all know that the entire area, then it's a very eclectic group of buildings. There's no one style, no one size, no one. 660 01:13:05.890 --> 01:13:12.450 darylolesinski: It's all a mixture of building, typology, building aesthetics, and building mapping and scale and ethereality 661 01:13:12.470 --> 01:13:17.719 darylolesinski: with really no one true language it sort of goes all over the place. 662 01:13:19.450 --> 01:13:26.729 darylolesinski: The proposed building that we are presenting is consists of is a is a 663 01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:32.579 darylolesinski: results in a 5,900 square foot, single climate, resonance over 3 floors. 664 01:13:32.800 --> 01:13:41.110 darylolesinski: The building as presented me, as they said me, the zoning code in all that in all applicable codes, and is not asking for any other variances or any other entitlements. 665 01:13:41.510 --> 01:13:55.069 darylolesinski: The ground floor of the building let me scroll down here quickly. The ground floor of the building is considering of 3 car parking a guest, suite, game room, and a gym all leading out to the Lock Street Garden space. Out here 666 01:13:55.280 --> 01:14:03.989 darylolesinski: the ground for the second floor is is the public level, which is just a living of dining and kitchen family room and and pantry with a powder. 667 01:14:04.080 --> 01:14:21.509 darylolesinski: and the third Level is all bedroom, with free on suite, bedroom and the and of course a the the roof deck, which it pushed as far as far to the west, or as far, close to the to the walk through as possible with the code allowed minimum 100 actually sorry. 99 square foot 668 01:14:21.630 --> 01:14:23.139 darylolesinski: roof, access structure. 669 01:14:24.010 --> 01:14:30.660 darylolesinski: The building itself, as a as a in massing, is very. It has a 670 01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:36.610 darylolesinski: the methane is broken down along the western, eastern and southern elevation to create depth and shadow. 671 01:14:36.660 --> 01:14:40.750 darylolesinski: and by the use of deep balconies, inset windows, and deep overhangs 672 01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:45.250 darylolesinski: that same massing is an expression of volumes in the material selection. 673 01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:47.910 darylolesinski: Architectural board form. Concrete 674 01:14:48.090 --> 01:14:58.580 darylolesinski: creates the base of the building, upon which rest a series of smooth white zucker and warm red wood volumes, all creating the composition of masks that play with the sun and shadow throughout the day 675 01:14:59.250 --> 01:15:08.999 darylolesinski: large-scale window walls and sliding door systems break the massing down even further, by creating a solid to avoid balanced and open that which opens the views to be out 676 01:15:09.190 --> 01:15:13.209 darylolesinski: inoperable wood screen-sided system will be used along the southern facade 677 01:15:13.240 --> 01:15:19.060 darylolesinski: to create shade in the summer, and privacy for the owners in their master suite. Upstairs. 678 01:15:19.520 --> 01:15:23.439 darylolesinski: as mentioned above, the the 679 01:15:24.150 --> 01:15:36.249 darylolesinski: there was there was, there was a neighbor outreach that was done with the project. We did have a a neighbor outreach meeting, believe it was the sixteenth of January, which I guess is a week ago, just over a week ago. 680 01:15:36.290 --> 01:15:51.770 darylolesinski: where we had where we had 4 or 5 neighbors on, and then the subsequent follow up via email with almost all of those neighbors, giving me, giving them the drawings and rendering. So they had them as a matter of record, and for them to keep and peruse. 681 01:15:51.920 --> 01:15:58.819 darylolesinski: I'm not sure if any of them are actually on the call right now. But we did form a neighbor outreach as as as requested. 682 01:15:58.880 --> 01:16:07.100 darylolesinski: and we did interact with the neighbors on a consistent level, we did actually go through the effort of providing a rendering 683 01:16:07.120 --> 01:16:15.169 darylolesinski: from the neighbor from one of the neighbors roof deck, so she could see how much of her view possibly could be blocked. 684 01:16:15.440 --> 01:16:18.599 darylolesinski: and we provided that to her, as well as a part of our outreach. 685 01:16:19.230 --> 01:16:25.099 darylolesinski: That is the extent of my presentation, and i'm i'm open to ask answering any questions. 686 01:16:25.670 --> 01:16:31.130 Michael Jensen: so i'll just. I'll let Evan Wells speak if he wants to add anything. 687 01:16:32.710 --> 01:16:34.130 I'm: nothing. That 688 01:16:36.660 --> 01:16:37.530 okay. 689 01:16:37.870 --> 01:16:38.880 Michael Jensen: Was that Ivan. 690 01:16:39.160 --> 01:16:40.440 darylolesinski: That was Evan. Yes. 691 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:41.679 okay. 692 01:16:41.960 --> 01:16:43.679 darylolesinski: He's a man of his own and a few words 693 01:16:44.730 --> 01:16:46.870 Michael Jensen: clearly. 694 01:16:46.960 --> 01:16:51.260 Michael Jensen: Okay. So i'm going to first open it up to public comment. 695 01:16:51.670 --> 01:16:56.989 barrycassilly: So the question that relates to having public comment on this project. 696 01:16:57.600 --> 01:17:00.229 barrycassilly: I I might be confused, but 697 01:17:00.320 --> 01:17:04.209 barrycassilly: I heard, I thought I heard the presenter say that they were 698 01:17:04.380 --> 01:17:14.940 barrycassilly: not asking for any variances or adjustments that they were. I heard that as well, and i'm guessing. Your question is, why isn't this a Bso? 699 01:17:15.040 --> 01:17:17.260 barrycassilly: No. Why, isn't this a de minimis project? 700 01:17:17.560 --> 01:17:19.149 Andrew Mika: That was my question, too. 701 01:17:19.770 --> 01:17:22.280 lauren siegel: I I can answer that. 702 01:17:22.510 --> 01:17:26.009 lauren siegel: So this is Lauren. I was the point person on this project. 703 01:17:26.020 --> 01:17:47.280 lauren siegel: I wanted to make sure that all of the neighbors had an opportunity to understand the project and and be aware of it. So I asked him if he was willing to do outreach, and I I thought it was pretty helpful. Everybody was. I was surprised how positive everybody but he was, but they did have a lot of questions that he handled very Well. 704 01:17:47.290 --> 01:17:59.579 lauren siegel: so that's why we're here to present today. One of the the neighbors, who was not at outreach, reached out to him a few days later, had some concerns. 705 01:17:59.590 --> 01:18:07.599 lauren siegel: said that she was really objecting to the project, and so I thought it. It's important to to be to have people's voices heard. 706 01:18:09.490 --> 01:18:11.719 Michael Jensen: Is that person in attendance. Right? 707 01:18:15.620 --> 01:18:17.940 Michael Jensen: I'm not seeing also the Cj. 708 01:18:19.110 --> 01:18:35.810 darylolesinski: I I don't think so. Let me let me let me let me chime in if I could. She. She and I spoke extensively. She is the neighbor on the on the rendering, you see on the screen right now. She is the neighbor who lives in this structure right here, where the roof trellis is. 709 01:18:35.950 --> 01:18:41.979 darylolesinski: and her concern was mainly and singularly about how much 710 01:18:42.010 --> 01:18:44.990 darylolesinski: white water view she was going to lose, if any. 711 01:18:45.190 --> 01:18:57.310 darylolesinski: So we provided her a rendering. She. I asked her to take photos from her roof deck, and she provided those photos to me, and we literally in through our model into the into that picture. 712 01:18:57.500 --> 01:18:59.470 darylolesinski: and I have not heard it from her sense. 713 01:19:00.120 --> 01:19:08.589 darylolesinski: So that's that was the end of the so we went back and forth with 2 calls in an email, and then she responded to the email asking me for 714 01:19:08.700 --> 01:19:22.529 Michael Jensen: more picture another image which I gave her, and then that was sort of the end of our conversation. I have not heard from any other neighbor since I that I have provided. Alright, that's that's good, Barry. Is that? Does that address your question? 715 01:19:22.540 --> 01:19:32.959 barrycassilly: I'm going to rip through all of the committee questions, for after after I I go back to my question, Why is this not a diminished project? So it sounds like it was voluntarily 716 01:19:32.980 --> 01:19:41.199 Michael Jensen: kind of into. But I first want to. It may come out of here at the Minnesota. I first want to do public comment, and then we'll go back to the board. Okay. 717 01:19:42.910 --> 01:19:43.670 Okay. 718 01:19:44.150 --> 01:19:47.010 Michael Jensen: So. But I I just want to 719 01:19:47.760 --> 01:19:51.429 Michael Jensen: open it up to call the comment. If you have a comment, please raise your hand. 720 01:19:55.080 --> 01:20:00.840 Michael Jensen: I'm not seeing i'll give it another 15 or so seconds. But i'm not seeing any hands up. 721 01:20:07.300 --> 01:20:08.200 Michael Jensen: Okay. 722 01:20:08.240 --> 01:20:09.719 Michael Jensen: Public comment is closed. 723 01:20:12.040 --> 01:20:13.870 Michael Jensen: So 724 01:20:13.890 --> 01:20:17.660 Michael Jensen: I will. Andrew. Is your your question is the same correct? 725 01:20:20.620 --> 01:20:25.730 Andrew Mika: Yeah, it was okay. 726 01:20:26.230 --> 01:20:35.479 corinne Baginski: Okay, can I? Can I look at the sketches again? I'm: sorry, and i'll stop if you can go back to one of the sketches 727 01:20:35.730 --> 01:20:40.160 darylolesinski: that are you talking about the drawings or the rendering. 728 01:20:40.610 --> 01:20:44.619 corinne Baginski: If you can just show me, and i'll stop you exactly where 729 01:20:45.960 --> 01:20:46.870 corinne Baginski: that one 730 01:20:47.140 --> 01:20:52.319 corinne Baginski: Now i'm looking at your a 2 of the East elevation. 731 01:20:52.340 --> 01:20:56.719 corinne Baginski: and I'm. Looking at the property line. 732 01:20:56.930 --> 01:20:59.960 corinne Baginski: It has like a 5 foot set back. 733 01:21:00.200 --> 01:21:07.140 corinne Baginski: which looks like it's. It's pretty much a but to that staircase in the back right? 734 01:21:07.760 --> 01:21:09.939 darylolesinski: This staircase here. 735 01:21:10.120 --> 01:21:11.030 darylolesinski: Yes. 736 01:21:11.060 --> 01:21:15.329 corinne Baginski: yeah. So does it mean that you're in closing some public? 737 01:21:15.940 --> 01:21:19.619 darylolesinski: No. This is completely that. That stairway is completely on private property. 738 01:21:21.140 --> 01:21:25.160 corinne Baginski: but the one, the the the the little fence that you have. 739 01:21:25.300 --> 01:21:28.659 corinne Baginski: Yeah, is it part of your property? 740 01:21:28.910 --> 01:21:35.609 darylolesinski: This is this: is. This is the Walk Street area. This is the easement area on the Walk Street 741 01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:39.299 darylolesinski: as the Wall Street. So you're basically allowed to enclose it. 742 01:21:39.820 --> 01:21:45.580 darylolesinski: Every Yes, it's there is. There is as long as as long as that enclosure is not higher than 42 inches. Yes. 743 01:21:46.210 --> 01:21:48.980 corinne Baginski: but is that part of your property? 744 01:21:49.700 --> 01:21:58.540 darylolesinski: It's it is it? Is it? Well, technically, it's owned by the city. But it is by right to the use of this of this of this owner. 745 01:21:58.980 --> 01:22:02.979 darylolesinski: just like just like every Walk Street property going down reef is the exact same way. 746 01:22:03.010 --> 01:22:11.019 lauren siegel: just like our walk streets here in Venice. They are much wider, and people take on part of that yard 747 01:22:11.170 --> 01:22:21.689 lauren siegel: as their own, and they fence it off. But leg legally it's part of the city, so it's a it it it would, it would be the the permit, for that area would be pulled under what's called an encroachment, permit 748 01:22:21.700 --> 01:22:32.450 darylolesinski: The encouragement permit, allows the private owner to encroach into the public right away with improvements, and the city has the power to pull that encroachment permit at any time if they want to. 749 01:22:32.960 --> 01:22:37.510 darylolesinski: Now now that now the chances of that happening, I think, are 750 01:22:37.990 --> 01:22:45.489 darylolesinski: beyond never gonna happen, because I would, because that would be basically everyone in the Walk Street would lose their yards, would use their lose their gardens. 751 01:22:45.640 --> 01:22:57.980 darylolesinski: So is if you look at every other property that's on a corner on a Wall street facing facing ocean front walk. Every single one has the same exact use of the easement, the the right of way easement area. 752 01:22:59.140 --> 01:22:59.960 corinne Baginski: All right. 753 01:23:01.510 --> 01:23:03.089 Michael Jensen: Okay, Jim. 754 01:23:05.890 --> 01:23:20.679 jim murez: Hi. I just was going to say very similar. I I I don't believe that people are typically putting in concrete walls, and that looks like a concrete wall in in the public right of way, and I noticed that on the alley side 755 01:23:20.780 --> 01:23:25.659 jim murez: it appeared as though they keeping it open so they can use it as a parking corridor. 756 01:23:25.670 --> 01:23:44.860 jim murez: and that, too, I think the Coastal Commission has already ruled on that on on the other properties, including robin rudicles that must remain open if it's going to be used for parking that it has to be available for public parking. So where they've closed it off with a wall and still have a gate this isn't the view. There's another view 757 01:23:45.130 --> 01:24:01.789 jim murez: that was showing the other angle there that looks like it's an entry way for a car into the yard, and if that's true, and they are putting in, I don't believe concrete walls are allowed. But if, if, even if the concrete wall was allowed to create a private parking space within the public right of way 758 01:24:02.070 --> 01:24:05.019 jim murez: is something that the Coastal Commission has already ruled now on. 759 01:24:05.400 --> 01:24:14.100 jim murez: So I just wanted to comment that I I I guess I'm. I'm sorry that we're going to be losing an R. 3 property to a single family, 6,000 square foot house. Thank you. 760 01:24:14.690 --> 01:24:18.269 darylolesinski: My My comment to that is that there are a series of 761 01:24:18.310 --> 01:24:26.960 darylolesinski: properties on the same in the same configuration, the same situation that have stuck out over concrete walls or stuck it over block walls 762 01:24:26.980 --> 01:24:36.979 jim murez: that are all up and down Speedway. These walk streets, and I don't want to. I don't want to interrupt you completely, but they may not be permitted. You're asking for a permit to do it. 763 01:24:37.820 --> 01:24:47.149 darylolesinski: Okay, I'm: I'm: I understand what you're saying. I'm actually looking at a plot plan for right now in my hand for the 764 01:24:47.410 --> 01:24:57.659 darylolesinski: what is this address? It's on the corner of Speedway and and private tier that has the exact same situation we have that has been permitted and approved, and we we literally use that 765 01:24:57.800 --> 01:25:04.939 darylolesinski: plot plan as our model, as what we were able to do with on this walk street. Now, if that comes back from the Coastal Commission says. 766 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:17.310 darylolesinski: pull the wall back then, or pull pull the gate out that we pull the gate out. It's not a problem. I don't. I don't mind that i'm just i'm just saying that this we we followed the model that was given by a property that's one block away. That's been approved. 767 01:25:20.090 --> 01:25:24.800 Michael Jensen: What? Again? I'm not trying to get the approval there. What's the approval? Date on that 768 01:25:25.440 --> 01:25:32.500 darylolesinski: good question. I have the hold on. If I can give you the application, the permit application number is 769 01:25:33.190 --> 01:25:40.729 darylolesinski: from it: application numbers, 1 0, 1, 1 0, 1 1 0, 1 1 0, 1 0, 1 0 one. I'll give you the address. 770 01:25:40.750 --> 01:25:47.059 darylolesinski: Okay, yeah, that's a good idea. If I can find it. Here, hold on, i'm looking. I'm trying to find on the plot plan. I'm: sorry. 771 01:25:47.250 --> 01:25:51.319 Michael Jensen: 40 and then actually you also pull up your 772 01:25:51.380 --> 01:25:52.880 Michael Jensen: your yeah plot plan. 773 01:25:53.070 --> 01:26:00.309 darylolesinski: Sure. 46, 17 ocean front walk. Matter of fact, I could show you a picture of it. It's literally this is the picture of the house right? 774 01:26:01.060 --> 01:26:04.230 darylolesinski: That's that's the house right there. 775 01:26:04.550 --> 01:26:05.979 darylolesinski: That's the house. I'm referring to 776 01:26:08.310 --> 01:26:09.480 26, 777 01:26:09.790 --> 01:26:11.349 darylolesinski: 46. 17 778 01:26:11.860 --> 01:26:13.059 darylolesinski: Oh, sure front walk. 779 01:26:13.410 --> 01:26:17.359 jim murez: What makes you think that the wall was approved. 780 01:26:18.080 --> 01:26:18.780 corinne Baginski: Yeah. 781 01:26:19.170 --> 01:26:21.579 darylolesinski: because it's shown on the plot plan. 782 01:26:21.700 --> 01:26:32.600 jim murez: What makes you think that the do? You have a stamped copy that says the wall is allowed to 783 01:26:32.660 --> 01:26:47.399 jim murez: go ahead. I'm sorry you go ahead. No, I I just. I I know of people over many years that have tried to do that, including when Congresswoman Jane Harman was trying to do it 15 years ago, and she has a double wide lot, and she couldn't get it approved. 784 01:26:47.830 --> 01:26:51.410 jim murez: and she owns both. She owns both sides of the Walk Street. 785 01:26:51.860 --> 01:27:00.980 darylolesinski: Okay, I I understand what you're saying, what I what i'm. I'm looking at literally the plot plan attachment, which is a part of the permit set for 46, 17 786 01:27:01.330 --> 01:27:06.790 darylolesinski: ocean front walk where they show the walls on that walk on that supply plan. 787 01:27:07.450 --> 01:27:15.619 jim murez: Yeah, I believe you. I I know the right of ways 40 feet wide, and I know the sidewalks only 10 feet wide. 788 01:27:15.910 --> 01:27:25.529 darylolesinski: Yeah, i'm. I'm. I'm. Only i'm not trying again. I'm not trying to argue. I'm going off with the evidence I have in front of me. That's all understood, Mikkel. You got it. You just need to figure out if it's, if it's something that 789 01:27:26.280 --> 01:27:31.820 jim murez: it, it could be referenced in in in a condition that just said something to the effect of 790 01:27:31.980 --> 01:27:40.460 Michael Jensen: Yeah, that's what i'm thinking. I want everyone to wait while I pull the case. No, no. If if it's allowed by code, then we are okay with it. 791 01:27:40.750 --> 01:27:54.770 darylolesinski: And and one more. One more thing, I should add is that this project has already been submitted for the For Zoning Administration Review. We've had corrections, and we have zoning approval which includes the Walk Street, Wall, and all of the Walk Street information. 792 01:27:59.800 --> 01:28:10.170 Michael Jensen: Say that again you have zoning approval, which includes. So we so we so we we can You Can you pull pull up your stamp plans that show the the wall on there? 793 01:28:10.620 --> 01:28:19.350 darylolesinski: I don't have. I don't have a set of stamped drawings that show the wall. What I have is, we have a series of submittals that went back and forth to the zoning to the building department 794 01:28:19.520 --> 01:28:28.429 darylolesinski: we're with, where we were doing a zoning review, and a part of that zoning review was for us to mandate that the walls, as they are located on that site 795 01:28:28.700 --> 01:28:30.589 darylolesinski: are no higher than 42 inches. 796 01:28:31.460 --> 01:28:36.030 darylolesinski: That was the correction we had. And there is we actually, they actually asked us 797 01:28:36.150 --> 01:28:38.400 darylolesinski: to do an in a large. 798 01:28:38.420 --> 01:28:54.409 darylolesinski: which i'll show you right here, and a large Walk Street plan and a large encroachment area plan, which is what we had to do, showing all of the heights of the walls, all of the heights, what the construction of the walls were, and all the individual heights of those walls from the Walk Street area from the public right of way. 799 01:28:55.780 --> 01:29:00.920 darylolesinski: And this is the part of the document that we had to add to our set to to satisfy their requirements. 800 01:29:01.570 --> 01:29:02.210 Oh. 801 01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:03.620 interesting. 802 01:29:05.840 --> 01:29:09.449 corinne Baginski: So basically you can then close and turn it into a private. 803 01:29:10.010 --> 01:29:26.299 Michael Jensen: Yes, exactly. That's how it is on on on all of the walk streets all the way down, I mean, if you look at the if you looked at the city's map of it, they're all 40 feet wide, and everyone's yards goes into it, and you can put a You can put a fence up 804 01:29:26.330 --> 01:29:39.689 darylolesinski: of a certain height. The question is whether the block wall is permitted. That's that's why it is every property in the Millwood area. My client, my client, actually Mr. Wells actually lives in Venice. On 805 01:29:39.790 --> 01:29:56.099 darylolesinski: I keep forgetting this. 30, 30 or 20 Eighth Street I never remember but that doesn't really matter. It is a Walk Street, and they have. They have their front garden in closed, as every resident on a walk street has. Every single one has an enclosed garden in there as as as a part of their walk. Street 806 01:29:56.830 --> 01:30:00.850 darylolesinski: ownership. That's the joy. Honestly, it's the that's the joy of living. 807 01:30:01.140 --> 01:30:05.079 Andrew Mika: I'm so confused. If this is diminished, what are we still 808 01:30:05.520 --> 01:30:07.459 Andrew Mika: like? This is out of our purview. 809 01:30:07.620 --> 01:30:08.559 Andrew Mika: can we? 810 01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:16.409 barrycassilly: Yeah, I mean, if the if the cities, if we got got like the plans that the city is working off of 811 01:30:16.520 --> 01:30:17.260 barrycassilly: like. 812 01:30:17.390 --> 01:30:24.929 Michael Jensen: Why are we not paying attention to that? I know, and I i'm looking at a block wall on the plans on the on the planning website. So 813 01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:30.179 lauren siegel: I move to approve. This project is presented. 814 01:30:31.830 --> 01:30:32.860 Andrew Mika: Second. 815 01:30:35.820 --> 01:30:40.039 Michael Jensen: Okay, I'll do a roll call. Vote. Give me a second Here. 816 01:30:46.860 --> 01:30:48.110 here's my 817 01:30:49.480 --> 01:30:52.770 Michael Jensen: sorry. I just need to find the minutes document on my 818 01:30:53.800 --> 01:30:55.429 sure. 819 01:30:58.600 --> 01:31:00.580 Michael Jensen: Okay. 820 01:31:03.700 --> 01:31:04.940 Michael Jensen: pardon me, Karen. 821 01:31:05.020 --> 01:31:06.040 corinne Baginski: approve 822 01:31:06.550 --> 01:31:07.389 Michael Jensen: Very. 823 01:31:08.010 --> 01:31:11.049 barrycassilly: I vote. Yes, I think that's the right thing to do. 824 01:31:11.070 --> 01:31:11.950 corinne Baginski: Andrew 825 01:31:12.640 --> 01:31:13.660 Andrew Mika: groups. 826 01:31:14.330 --> 01:31:15.230 Michael Jensen: Lauren. 827 01:31:15.290 --> 01:31:16.740 lauren siegel: Yes. 828 01:31:23.740 --> 01:31:26.179 lauren siegel: Are you there? 829 01:31:27.130 --> 01:31:29.849 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Oh, sorry. I didn't know I was muted. Yes. 830 01:31:30.540 --> 01:31:31.420 Michael Jensen: okay. 831 01:31:32.640 --> 01:31:36.709 Michael Jensen: 5. I will vote. Yes, so that motion carries 832 01:31:36.790 --> 01:31:40.369 Michael Jensen: Dary. You'll be on the February 833 01:31:40.570 --> 01:31:43.089 Michael Jensen: calendar for consent. 834 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:47.480 Michael Jensen: and 835 01:31:47.620 --> 01:31:54.739 Michael Jensen: unless someone pulls it, so just be if you can be on, stand by to present alright, no problem. 836 01:31:55.120 --> 01:31:56.450 Michael Jensen: Let me know. Thank you. 837 01:31:56.790 --> 01:31:59.940 darylolesinski: Thank you very much for your time. I appreciate. Thank you, Lauren. Thank you guys. 838 01:32:00.000 --> 01:32:00.760 lauren siegel: I 839 01:32:04.070 --> 01:32:06.019 Michael Jensen: one and 840 01:32:07.030 --> 01:32:08.599 Michael Jensen: Andrew you in the second right. 841 01:32:10.190 --> 01:32:12.239 Michael Jensen: Lauren and your second. Okay. 842 01:32:12.380 --> 01:32:13.780 Michael Jensen: All right, Moving on. 843 01:32:14.630 --> 01:32:16.969 Michael Jensen: This is 844 01:32:17.530 --> 01:32:21.710 Michael Jensen: most regarding draft concepts for Lincoln Boulevard. 845 01:32:22.150 --> 01:32:27.749 Michael Jensen: I actually had hoped Jeff would be here, but I know that there is someone on 846 01:32:28.220 --> 01:32:32.460 lauren siegel: you still. Have Stanley Noak on our list of people to talk? 847 01:32:34.220 --> 01:32:35.190 Michael Jensen: Thank you, Aaron. 848 01:32:36.050 --> 01:32:37.000 Michael Jensen: He's gone. 849 01:32:39.550 --> 01:32:51.939 Michael Jensen: I wanna at least allow public comment on this motion, because Sean O'brien, who called me earlier today, is is very passionate about this. I at least want to give him the opportunity to speak. 850 01:32:52.060 --> 01:32:54.110 Michael Jensen: I'm thinking, since we are. 851 01:32:54.290 --> 01:32:57.570 Michael Jensen: Let's see here an hour and a half into the meeting. 852 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:01.640 Michael Jensen: I don't know whether we want to. Well, i'll take a 853 01:33:04.530 --> 01:33:10.500 Michael Jensen: sort of straw poll here. Do we want to formulate the motion tonight and bring this back, or 854 01:33:11.820 --> 01:33:13.719 Michael Jensen: What's Everyone's sentiment 855 01:33:16.860 --> 01:33:18.449 barrycassilly: if I should get it done? 856 01:33:18.630 --> 01:33:19.550 Michael Jensen: Okay. 857 01:33:19.620 --> 01:33:20.800 Michael Jensen: that's one 858 01:33:21.390 --> 01:33:24.969 Michael Jensen: not seeing any other reaction. So 859 01:33:25.690 --> 01:33:31.049 Michael Jensen: i'm gonna read the motion. Then i'll allow Daryl I and I'll I'll open up the public comment. 860 01:33:31.190 --> 01:33:37.760 Michael Jensen: But can you put it on the screen so we can all read it. 861 01:33:46.450 --> 01:33:49.000 Michael Jensen: Okay, Can everyone see 862 01:33:50.330 --> 01:33:51.469 Michael Jensen: the motion? 863 01:33:53.710 --> 01:33:54.610 lauren siegel: Yes. 864 01:33:54.760 --> 01:33:58.679 Michael Jensen: Okay. So these to just 865 01:33:58.800 --> 01:34:01.040 Michael Jensen: for the audiences 866 01:34:01.650 --> 01:34:07.649 Michael Jensen: notification. These are motions, or this is a motion relating to the draft concepts released by 867 01:34:07.710 --> 01:34:15.430 Michael Jensen: planning Department in summer 2,020. Yes, that was more than 2 years ago. But that's that's what we've got still 868 01:34:15.460 --> 01:34:17.030 Michael Jensen: from them. 869 01:34:18.260 --> 01:34:34.260 Michael Jensen: And this one is related to the Lincoln Boulevard Commercial corridor. So Whereas Lupeck has reviewed planning requirements, draft concepts from summer, 2,022, to be used in the forthcoming updates to the local coastal program and community plan. 870 01:34:35.180 --> 01:34:41.190 Michael Jensen: whereas existing zoning and uses on Lincoln are predominantly signal story, commercial uses. 871 01:34:41.610 --> 01:34:47.279 Michael Jensen: and whereas Lincoln Boulevard should be targeted as they mix to use corridor for consent 872 01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:52.529 Michael Jensen: consisting of commercial first 4 uses with residential above. 873 01:34:56.630 --> 01:35:03.190 Michael Jensen: Correct that now, therefore, Luke, I remember city planning incorporate the following recommendations. 874 01:35:03.270 --> 01:35:19.940 Michael Jensen: So for Lincoln Boulevard between Navy Avenue and Washington increase the heightened limits on the east and west side of Lincoln to X stories, where they step down on X stories for lots of Jason single family homes or sorry blank. I left Blanks in there because I was actually hoping we would workshop this a little bit. 875 01:35:19.950 --> 01:35:26.939 Michael Jensen: Limit density moments to lots on Lincoln and those which are not directly a budding single family zone, so that height limits cannot exceed 876 01:35:27.000 --> 01:35:30.290 Michael Jensen: in step, cannot be exceeded in step down areas. 877 01:35:30.600 --> 01:35:34.420 Michael Jensen: And then for the east side of we can increase height, limit to 75 feet. 878 01:35:34.690 --> 01:35:37.129 Michael Jensen: or remove high limitation entirely. 879 01:35:37.750 --> 01:35:50.109 Michael Jensen: So i'm going to open it up to public comments, and then we will discuss this some more. So I see 3 hands up. So far we have any other. 880 01:35:50.310 --> 01:35:52.809 Michael Jensen: It's Gabriel Smith and Stanley know I, 881 01:35:54.700 --> 01:35:58.299 Michael Jensen: If you guys want to raise your hands. I'll start off with Shawn O'brien. 882 01:36:01.900 --> 01:36:05.100 sean obrien: Hey? Thank you for taking all the time to hear me 883 01:36:08.940 --> 01:36:10.190 sean obrien: a couple of things 884 01:36:10.670 --> 01:36:11.769 sean obrien: I'm. 885 01:36:12.260 --> 01:36:15.150 sean obrien: I'm opposed to 75. P. 886 01:36:15.780 --> 01:36:21.789 sean obrien: Oh, generally speaking, 5 5 stories would be more suitable. 887 01:36:21.940 --> 01:36:23.870 sean obrien: but that's not the reason why i'm calling. 888 01:36:24.180 --> 01:36:27.829 sean obrien: or have I have endured my time 889 01:36:27.890 --> 01:36:30.419 sean obrien: listening to this meeting. 890 01:36:30.670 --> 01:36:35.599 sean obrien: This is our best, and probably only opportunity 891 01:36:35.630 --> 01:36:38.000 sean obrien: to get rid of 892 01:36:38.080 --> 01:36:39.270 sean obrien: the 893 01:36:39.430 --> 01:36:44.570 sean obrien: telephone polls, electrical lines, Everything on 894 01:36:44.600 --> 01:36:46.709 sean obrien: on Lincoln Boulevard. 895 01:36:47.170 --> 01:36:50.950 sean obrien: I I would like to amend the motion 896 01:36:51.040 --> 01:36:53.070 sean obrien: to have the developers 897 01:36:53.230 --> 01:36:57.270 sean obrien: underground, the utility lines. 898 01:36:57.400 --> 01:37:14.489 sean obrien: otherwise 50 years, 100 years from now we're still gonna have those. This is our only opportunity. Let's bury the utility lines with this kid. Let's let's make our let us make Lincoln Boulevard Ada compliant. 899 01:37:15.020 --> 01:37:16.000 sean obrien: and 900 01:37:16.170 --> 01:37:17.559 sean obrien: and 901 01:37:17.590 --> 01:37:21.430 sean obrien: get rid of the telephone polls, bury the lines 902 01:37:21.470 --> 01:37:24.870 sean obrien: and get rid of the I for, and 903 01:37:24.920 --> 01:37:28.000 sean obrien: whether it's a public partnership agreement 904 01:37:28.030 --> 01:37:29.179 sean obrien: or what not. 905 01:37:29.270 --> 01:37:39.790 sean obrien: you know, or if if we create a general fund that that all needs to be worked out. But this is our only opportunity, and I thank you for my consideration. 906 01:37:40.140 --> 01:37:41.340 Michael Jensen: Thank you, Shawn. 907 01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:44.029 Michael Jensen: See, Jane. 908 01:37:46.400 --> 01:37:48.909 CJ Cole: Yes, first of all. 909 01:37:48.960 --> 01:37:55.969 CJ Cole: it's very difficult to have public comment on something that has all these links. Okay. 910 01:37:56.070 --> 01:38:02.089 CJ Cole: I don't know how to respond, not knowing whether that's going to be 2 stories or 10 stories. 911 01:38:02.120 --> 01:38:03.000 CJ Cole: Yeah. 912 01:38:03.140 --> 01:38:06.360 CJ Cole: So I think it's just create a tour to be taking 913 01:38:06.510 --> 01:38:12.080 CJ Cole: a public comment, unless you're going to take public comment later after you put numbers in there. 914 01:38:12.120 --> 01:38:15.179 CJ Cole: Secondly, I just think that it just 915 01:38:15.400 --> 01:38:26.549 CJ Cole: yeah, I don't know why we're trying to expand Lincoln Boulevard to be some monster creation. But i'm just against doing anything that's gonna be 916 01:38:26.630 --> 01:38:33.240 CJ Cole: as high as you guys are Talking About 75 feet is kind of ridiculous. Okay, thanks. 917 01:38:34.170 --> 01:38:35.429 Michael Jensen: Thank you. 918 01:38:38.350 --> 01:38:41.750 Michael Jensen: Yolanda. My memory serves correct. 919 01:38:53.790 --> 01:38:55.730 Michael Jensen: Yolanda. You'll have to unmute. 920 01:39:01.580 --> 01:39:02.550 1310****690: Okay. 921 01:39:03.360 --> 01:39:09.659 1310****690: I was having a hard time on getting on muted. Yeah, I would just like to make some recommendations 922 01:39:11.500 --> 01:39:14.859 first of all, as a property owner and apartment owner. 923 01:39:15.010 --> 01:39:17.870 if they're going to restrict me in using 924 01:39:17.990 --> 01:39:23.150 a certain amount of water for, and we have already been sent out notices 925 01:39:23.270 --> 01:39:27.690 1310****690: to minimize the usage of water for our properties. 926 01:39:28.020 --> 01:39:31.070 1310****690: This monster is going to use up a lot of water. 927 01:39:31.140 --> 01:39:40.129 1310****690: and if we don't minimize our water we have water storage for at least a whole year. Thanks to the rain that we had at the present moment. 928 01:39:40.480 --> 01:39:41.410 1310****690: and 929 01:39:41.600 --> 01:39:44.910 1310****690: in other parts of the city and communities 930 01:39:45.220 --> 01:40:04.639 1310****690: that they are restricting the usage of water they are metering, and they will be fined, and I don't want us to get to the point where a monster like this comes in, and we're going to be fine, because they're going to start metering the amount of water we're going to be using on the corner of Venice and Abu Kenny on one of the polls. 931 01:40:04.650 --> 01:40:09.990 They just put a meter all away at the top that's going to be metering us 932 01:40:10.300 --> 01:40:22.570 1310****690: by the Department of Water and Power. My husband and I went out there to ask them what were they doing? I thought they were cameras. No, it's a special meter, and I will take a picture, so you guys can see it. 933 01:40:22.710 --> 01:40:26.479 1310****690: Second of all this hub, At what price 934 01:40:26.520 --> 01:40:29.789 and that? What rents are these this monster going to be? 935 01:40:29.840 --> 01:40:35.330 1310****690: Because I already see what's going on in the Marina. 936 01:40:36.890 --> 01:40:47.510 1310****690: No, I'm not talking about the Medium project. Okay? No, no, no, i'm not talking about the Medium Pro Project. Talking about the Lincoln corridor. Okay. 937 01:40:47.610 --> 01:41:02.679 1310****690: Second of all, the one thing that we they haven't sought out. And this happened in ply a delay when we went to the meetings, and they were in the project in the process of putting a community together 938 01:41:02.970 --> 01:41:03.820 1310****690: schools. 939 01:41:04.420 --> 01:41:08.120 1310****690: It would be nice if they put in a private school in there. 940 01:41:08.410 --> 01:41:26.629 1310****690: There's a demand for private schools in our community we have very few, and that would be a nice add on to a project like this if it is going to take place. Because where are the children going to school? The the more parents are so high schooling their children. 941 01:41:26.640 --> 01:41:34.250 1310****690: and I would like to see. Maybe we can put a private school in there which we are in great need in this community. Thank you. 942 01:41:34.610 --> 01:41:35.800 Michael Jensen: Thank you. 943 01:41:37.430 --> 01:41:38.900 Michael Jensen: Okay, Jim. 944 01:41:40.490 --> 01:41:54.100 jim murez: Thank you. I don't ever know. If you see my hand is up or not, when I'm raising it for public comment, couple things Cj mentioned something. I think she's correct. If you modify the motion, you have to take public comment Again. 945 01:41:54.620 --> 01:41:59.660 jim murez: I think it's important for you to add a where, as 946 01:41:59.900 --> 01:42:03.870 jim murez: that describe something that says to the effect. 947 01:42:03.960 --> 01:42:17.750 jim murez: This motion is being tied into the rest of the community plan. Where the community wants to keep a lower height, lower density, which is already higher than the rest of the city throughout other parts of Venice. 948 01:42:17.910 --> 01:42:28.710 jim murez: because otherwise it doesn't make sense. Why are we all of a sudden increasing the height here, and we're not, you know, addressing anything anywhere else, and that's just from a being able to sell it to whoever. 949 01:42:29.750 --> 01:42:38.020 jim murez: I wonder how you're going to prevent density bonuses increasing behind, unless somehow you're you're able to define a maximum height. Limit 950 01:42:38.340 --> 01:42:43.820 jim murez: in that maximum height limit. I think you also have to consider rooftop structures because they are allowed. 951 01:42:44.240 --> 01:42:55.769 jim murez: I'm wondering what you can do about parking requirements. Can you also say that if you're going up in that height and You're building affordable units that you know it's a small unit. 952 01:42:55.900 --> 01:43:00.159 jim murez: Can you also reduce the parking requirement to one space per unit? 953 01:43:00.460 --> 01:43:04.439 jim murez: And then I'm concerned in general 954 01:43:04.470 --> 01:43:13.180 jim murez: about driveways when the property backs up, and there's no alley behind now, are you? Is, is it? Is 955 01:43:13.920 --> 01:43:35.760 jim murez: Caltrans going to allow new driveway cuts? And how are we going to address those? I know that there was a project that was proposed down where the car wash was several years ago, and it actually got shot down because it had so much driveway access, and it's very disruptive to Lincoln Boulevard, so that needs to be considered as we're going forward to give everybody an equal right to be able to develop. 956 01:43:36.300 --> 01:43:39.910 jim murez: We have to consider what happens when the property doesn't have an alley. 957 01:43:40.030 --> 01:43:44.319 jim murez: and how do you address that, and then finally in in number, 3 958 01:43:44.430 --> 01:43:47.679 jim murez: in in the now, therefore. 959 01:43:47.910 --> 01:43:54.530 jim murez: it says, Here the east side of Lincoln Boulevard to to go to a 75 feed. 960 01:43:54.660 --> 01:44:02.330 jim murez: And i'm wondering if if you're referring to that south of Washington, are you saying that's what it would be 961 01:44:02.830 --> 01:44:15.670 jim murez: in the part where you're describing it from Navy to Washington, because I know you and I had previous conversations about it south of Washington. I didn't realize we ever had because 75 feet is 962 01:44:15.680 --> 01:44:23.630 jim murez: what 7 stories, and that's more than the city was asking for the last. I think they were talking about 6 stories, but I may be mistaken there. So 963 01:44:23.750 --> 01:44:28.480 jim murez: i'm just curious if there's if there needs to be any more information on that. Thank you. 964 01:44:29.280 --> 01:44:30.429 Michael Jensen: Thanks. Chair. 965 01:44:33.370 --> 01:44:34.050 Hmm. 966 01:44:42.490 --> 01:44:49.659 Michael Jensen: Committee comments. And actually to answer your question, Jim. I didn't see your hand, because when i'm on the attendees tab it doesn't show the I. 967 01:44:50.360 --> 01:44:52.559 Michael Jensen: But i'm going to lower your hand now. 968 01:44:56.170 --> 01:45:00.639 Michael Jensen: and public comment is closed, at least until we put in some numbers 969 01:45:02.870 --> 01:45:04.309 Michael Jensen: Committee comments. 970 01:45:04.900 --> 01:45:05.760 Michael Jensen: Very 971 01:45:06.700 --> 01:45:15.619 barrycassilly: yeah, hey? I have a lot of concern about parking, too, and reducing requirements to make anything buildable on Lincoln Boulevard 972 01:45:15.680 --> 01:45:18.030 barrycassilly: and affordable. But 973 01:45:18.550 --> 01:45:23.900 barrycassilly: do we really do we have to address that issue also in this motion? Or 974 01:45:24.180 --> 01:45:27.379 barrycassilly: and we have to. We have to address all these like sort of 975 01:45:27.400 --> 01:45:35.070 barrycassilly: secondarily related things, although they might be fundamental in reality. Can we have a motion that deals with 976 01:45:35.160 --> 01:45:38.829 barrycassilly: just these very few issues, or can we not do that? 977 01:45:39.130 --> 01:45:53.129 Michael Jensen: So that was when we embarked on this we started off, trying to do sort of comprehensive rewrites, and that, I think became a little too much to handle in one meeting. So my preference is that we handle these kind of 978 01:45:53.170 --> 01:45:57.149 Michael Jensen: little things that sort of Devon demonstrate 979 01:45:57.310 --> 01:45:58.370 Michael Jensen: where 980 01:45:58.550 --> 01:46:02.010 Michael Jensen: the Neighborhood Council wants to. 981 01:46:02.510 --> 01:46:04.139 Michael Jensen: you know, change things. 982 01:46:04.280 --> 01:46:16.029 Michael Jensen: And so I do agree that parking is a really important component of everything. But but in this sort of the way that we're breaking this stuff up, i'd also like to maybe 983 01:46:16.810 --> 01:46:34.450 Michael Jensen: a partner with Roberts Committee when we talk about parking changes. 984 01:46:35.830 --> 01:46:45.700 Michael Jensen: This motion is a discrete recommendation for a very, you know, for not a very specific thing. But that is taking one component of 985 01:46:45.870 --> 01:46:57.900 barrycassilly: the Lincoln Boulevard, and the other issues will get dealt with it just it further down the process is that what you're saying? In due course? Yeah, I mean we've been bringing one of these every month. 986 01:46:59.950 --> 01:47:07.819 barrycassilly: I had a I had a question about the step down in the back. I mean these most of these lots on Lincoln. 987 01:47:08.120 --> 01:47:10.919 barrycassilly: for commercial lots are not terribly deep. 988 01:47:12.490 --> 01:47:13.849 barrycassilly: and 989 01:47:14.040 --> 01:47:16.189 barrycassilly: so are we talking about 990 01:47:16.350 --> 01:47:22.850 barrycassilly: doing step downs, for in cases where there is an alley separating 991 01:47:22.890 --> 01:47:32.710 barrycassilly: the the residential property from the commercial property on Lincoln. Let me pull up. Let me pull up what we were talking about, because 992 01:47:35.670 --> 01:47:38.070 Michael Jensen: yeah, let me just switch the screen share. 993 01:47:50.090 --> 01:47:50.840 barrycassilly: Yeah. 994 01:47:51.380 --> 01:47:53.040 Michael Jensen: Okay. So 995 01:47:54.970 --> 01:47:55.740 interesting. 996 01:48:18.890 --> 01:48:21.149 Michael Jensen: This cannot be slower. 997 01:48:22.200 --> 01:48:24.020 barrycassilly: Can you just tell me about it? 998 01:48:24.650 --> 01:48:41.170 Michael Jensen: Well, no, i'm trying to show you, because if you remember, there was the commercial frontage of Lincoln, and then there were multiple parcels back from it, which were, which were also going to be included in the city's draft concepts of of increasing density. 999 01:48:41.230 --> 01:48:43.039 Michael Jensen: But then, so our 1000 01:48:44.220 --> 01:48:54.329 Michael Jensen: go ahead. But as I recall they were that that was on east of on the east side. 1001 01:48:54.360 --> 01:49:00.509 Michael Jensen: the commercial front page on the west side, and the idea is there. There would be a step back on the side facing 1002 01:49:01.420 --> 01:49:11.840 Michael Jensen: facing those. Your Your question is, if there's an alley separating them doesn't still apply, and I think I think we can answer that. I mean, we can put that detail in the 1003 01:49:12.250 --> 01:49:17.080 Michael Jensen: in the in this motion. My inclination is that 1004 01:49:17.490 --> 01:49:21.000 Michael Jensen: the separation then nullifies that requirement 1005 01:49:22.260 --> 01:49:25.150 Michael Jensen: by having an ally between them. 1006 01:49:25.580 --> 01:49:29.629 barrycassilly: I could we say that in one brief sentence and put it in 1007 01:49:32.730 --> 01:49:43.730 barrycassilly: the reason I'm asking. That is because these lots are shallow. A lot of them are really shell. If you start doing, Step backs on them. You're all going to be left with is a pencil building. 1008 01:49:49.190 --> 01:49:50.630 Michael Jensen: Can everyone see that? 1009 01:49:50.860 --> 01:49:54.200 barrycassilly: Okay, or like like. 1010 01:49:54.370 --> 01:50:00.190 Michael Jensen: there's Lincoln court. I'm seeing a lot of these don't have allies, I think. 1011 01:50:00.500 --> 01:50:01.429 Mehrnoosh Mojallali: No. 1012 01:50:01.500 --> 01:50:02.850 barrycassilly: some of them don't. 1013 01:50:05.140 --> 01:50:06.780 Michael Jensen: Well, there's link in court. 1014 01:50:07.050 --> 01:50:10.360 Michael Jensen: Then there's a little block there, and then there's a 1015 01:50:10.910 --> 01:50:15.569 Michael Jensen: Carter Avenue Nova Carter's getting that's beyond Washington. 1016 01:50:15.780 --> 01:50:23.979 barrycassilly: So what about where you're showing the the the orange stuff? The step back that's happening there 1017 01:50:24.770 --> 01:50:36.380 barrycassilly: that is that step back happening throughout the orange meaning is what's now? A a low, single-family lot behind the commercial 1018 01:50:36.390 --> 01:50:48.300 barrycassilly: would that be allowed to be higher, but then it becomes less high and less high the more you get to the end 1019 01:50:49.150 --> 01:50:56.990 Michael Jensen: portion, and I don't know how deep it goes. I was hoping Jack would be here, because he's the one who works who educated us on the step down. 1020 01:50:57.120 --> 01:50:58.139 Michael Jensen: How it works. 1021 01:50:58.490 --> 01:51:00.219 Michael Jensen: if any of you. 1022 01:51:00.530 --> 01:51:12.509 barrycassilly: I remember what he said, but my impression for what he was saying in the orange stuff is that the step down would apply east of Lincoln because 1023 01:51:12.520 --> 01:51:27.390 barrycassilly: they're giving more height than currently exists on these single family homes that are along the commercial corridor. But the step down does not apply to the commercial corridor itself, either west or east of Lincoln. 1024 01:51:28.410 --> 01:51:44.150 jim murez: so that one's a straight drop off. Okay, if I may. That that's also what they did in Westwood on the Westwood corridor. They stepped up the abutting properties to the rear. They didn't step them down. They they gave them like like Barry is saying. They gave them more height, increase. 1025 01:51:45.280 --> 01:51:49.270 Michael Jensen: so step up the orange. But but we're talking about now, the West Side 1026 01:51:49.290 --> 01:51:56.340 barrycassilly: you. You have to decide if that's something you want to do. 1027 01:51:56.490 --> 01:52:02.389 barrycassilly: I think some people are interpreting it to mean that the the commercial, the gray area has like 1028 01:52:02.490 --> 01:52:05.020 barrycassilly: step backs within it, but we can't see. 1029 01:52:06.130 --> 01:52:07.950 barrycassilly: and I know that's not intended. 1030 01:52:08.820 --> 01:52:10.109 Michael Jensen: right? 1031 01:52:15.620 --> 01:52:25.899 Michael Jensen: I'm gonna do this because we're approaching 2 h on this. I want to. I thank you for those comments. I'm gonna bring it back with the numbers plugged in. 1032 01:52:26.570 --> 01:52:36.739 Michael Jensen: So we only do public comment once, because I don't wanna Well, I don't want to rip through it again, so. But I'd also like to just pick Jeff Green on this again. 1033 01:52:37.120 --> 01:52:41.739 barrycassilly: so we could. I make one more comment to consider with Jeff. 1034 01:52:41.950 --> 01:52:42.780 Michael Jensen: Sure. 1035 01:52:42.810 --> 01:52:45.110 barrycassilly: that's the walks. This this 1036 01:52:45.140 --> 01:52:48.619 barrycassilly: the walks we are in, the we to Marco and all those. 1037 01:52:50.880 --> 01:52:54.340 barrycassilly: Yeah, what are these? What are these? 1038 01:52:54.550 --> 01:52:57.659 barrycassilly: I don't know these pink things with poker dots in them. 1039 01:52:59.400 --> 01:53:01.609 Michael Jensen: Well, residential neighborhood of no one 1040 01:53:02.450 --> 01:53:03.230 What? 1041 01:53:03.610 --> 01:53:04.790 Michael Jensen: That's what it sounds. 1042 01:53:05.960 --> 01:53:10.150 Michael Jensen: You're talking about this right here, right? So i'm emerald. So 1043 01:53:10.600 --> 01:53:20.679 barrycassilly: I don't know I don't understand why, what? But anyway, I was going to suggest that without that just really confused me. But I was going to suggest that in the Walk Street area 1044 01:53:21.090 --> 01:53:22.780 barrycassilly: only 1045 01:53:23.460 --> 01:53:31.770 barrycassilly: where where the Walk Street comes right up to basically the back of commercial properties. But there' be no orange there 1046 01:53:31.880 --> 01:53:32.960 barrycassilly: potentially. 1047 01:53:34.020 --> 01:53:36.289 Michael Jensen: Are you? Now you're talking about the East Side 1048 01:53:36.520 --> 01:53:39.340 barrycassilly: talking about the West Side. I'm talking about the walk streets. 1049 01:53:39.960 --> 01:53:54.469 Michael Jensen: so we at do. The step ups on the west side, but not where it's at an intersection of a Walk street, and the fact of a commercial Yes, we do this. We do those step up, step backs, whatever you call them basically everywhere except 1050 01:53:54.490 --> 01:53:58.799 barrycassilly: in the Wall Street area. Is that that? I'm not saying to do it. I'm saying it's 1051 01:53:58.850 --> 01:54:00.110 barrycassilly: could be considered. 1052 01:54:00.430 --> 01:54:01.340 Michael Jensen: Okay. 1053 01:54:03.310 --> 01:54:11.890 Michael Jensen: i'm gonna try and figure out Why, there's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 lots that are poking up. I mean it says residential neighborhood of Millwood. 1054 01:54:12.650 --> 01:54:16.329 Michael Jensen: which is strange. I don't know whether the layer is messed up. 1055 01:54:16.450 --> 01:54:21.289 Michael Jensen: and it's supposed to be the whole thing like, cause this is the residential neighborhood of Oakland. 1056 01:54:21.960 --> 01:54:23.050 Michael Jensen: And 1057 01:54:23.210 --> 01:54:26.860 barrycassilly: yeah, no. Currently, the walk streets don't exist as a neighborhood. 1058 01:54:28.270 --> 01:54:31.359 Michael Jensen: So i'm I I don't know what to say there. 1059 01:54:31.450 --> 01:54:33.090 Michael Jensen: so 1060 01:54:34.710 --> 01:54:38.279 Michael Jensen: I need a motion to adjourn. 1061 01:54:38.650 --> 01:54:41.790 Michael Jensen: Since we're not technically through the agenda, Lauren. 1062 01:54:42.400 --> 01:54:44.039 lauren siegel: make a motion to adjourn. 1063 01:54:44.690 --> 01:54:47.040 Michael Jensen: Okay, any seconds. 1064 01:54:52.570 --> 01:54:56.990 Michael Jensen: So thank you for your time. Everyone. We will 1065 01:54:57.080 --> 01:55:01.050 Michael Jensen: be here same time. Same place one week from tonight. 1066 01:55:05.410 --> 01:55:08.649 barrycassilly: Oh, thank you, Michael. 1067 01:55:08.830 --> 01:55:09.920 Andrew Mika: Hi!