WEBVTT 1 00:00:54.330 --> 00:00:55.680 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hi! Guys 2 00:00:57.160 --> 00:01:00.919 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: oops. Better have the glasses on Vicki. Can you hear me? Okay, Isabel? 3 00:01:01.060 --> 00:01:03.739 Vicki Halliday: I can hear you. 4 00:01:03.850 --> 00:01:08.229 Vicki Halliday: I'm not going to stay. I think you have everything you need now. 5 00:01:08.440 --> 00:01:13.680 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, I think we do, hopefully, and you can promote other people if you need to correct. 6 00:01:13.720 --> 00:01:16.540 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, let me make sure 7 00:01:16.590 --> 00:01:18.920 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: participants. 8 00:01:23.250 --> 00:01:25.609 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It looks like I can. Yes. 9 00:01:25.640 --> 00:01:28.270 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: thank you. I'll wait to make sure Everything's okay. 10 00:01:28.580 --> 00:01:36.319 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: attendees. Okay, with that. Okay, that's these good. So the attendees. I just have to. Oh, no, I'm not able to promote them. 11 00:01:36.420 --> 00:01:40.949 Vicki Halliday: Let me make you Co-host. Then you can hold on here. 12 00:01:50.960 --> 00:01:54.690 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Now you should be able to. Okay, let's try it again. 13 00:01:58.890 --> 00:02:00.509 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hmm. Oh, here we go. 14 00:02:05.540 --> 00:02:10.870 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So it's interesting. It's it's giving me the opportunity to promote to panelists. 15 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:18.589 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But from the audience. That's how you get your members in. I see. Okay, promote them to panelists. 16 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:26.210 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, that's great. Now we've got okay, Good. 17 00:02:28.370 --> 00:02:32.599 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Andreas Noel and Michael, my goal. Where are you? 18 00:02:32.780 --> 00:02:38.120 Isabelle Duvivier: You? Make me co-host, so that I can promote people while you're talking. 19 00:02:38.230 --> 00:02:42.170 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, I think I can do. That let me try is about. 20 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:50.540 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It looks like you already are a host. Now 21 00:02:51.070 --> 00:02:54.060 Isabelle Duvivier: i'm a panelist, but I don't think i'm a 22 00:02:55.050 --> 00:02:56.249 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: How do I do that? 23 00:02:56.480 --> 00:03:03.270 Isabelle Duvivier: I'll have to do it. How many host do you want? 24 00:03:06.050 --> 00:03:09.310 I don't know. Why is that not working, Michael? 25 00:03:09.540 --> 00:03:12.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But Michael might have my walked away. 26 00:03:13.320 --> 00:03:14.930 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: He says that occasionally. 27 00:03:20.110 --> 00:03:24.009 Isabelle Duvivier: Okay. So i'll keep my eye on the attendees list. 28 00:03:24.550 --> 00:03:27.200 Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, I didn't realize that my camera off this whole time. 29 00:03:28.510 --> 00:03:29.270 Isabelle Duvivier: Hi. 30 00:03:29.410 --> 00:03:30.340 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. 31 00:03:33.160 --> 00:03:34.370 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: there we go. 32 00:03:34.940 --> 00:03:35.850 Vicki Halliday: Okay. 33 00:03:35.950 --> 00:03:47.959 Vicki Halliday: I will probably not be here because I was on my way to a meeting, but i'll just leave it running, and then you can in, if you hit end when you guys are done and it saves the video. 34 00:03:48.310 --> 00:03:57.300 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, okay, Thank you so much. We really appreciate you, of course. Thank you. Okay. 35 00:03:59.250 --> 00:04:07.200 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, it looks like we have Isabelle? No? Well, Michael Andreas, are we expecting Hi, Andreas? 36 00:04:08.140 --> 00:04:12.230 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You can put on your camera. We love to see your face. 37 00:04:12.660 --> 00:04:18.720 andreas kemkes: Hi! I have my son with me just because I heard talk about 38 00:04:18.779 --> 00:04:21.789 andreas kemkes: Rand's writing, and he might 39 00:04:22.260 --> 00:04:25.740 andreas kemkes: be able to volunteer. If you guys need some. 40 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:27.990 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's wonderful. 41 00:04:29.050 --> 00:04:31.499 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's great that we love that. 42 00:04:31.580 --> 00:04:34.409 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So 43 00:04:34.560 --> 00:04:40.839 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: do we know if we're expecting? Have you guys heard tell of anybody else Who's okay? 44 00:04:41.320 --> 00:04:43.660 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It's in intending to come. 45 00:04:44.310 --> 00:04:46.229 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We have 1, 2, 3, 4, 46 00:04:46.420 --> 00:04:48.170 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so we do have a quorum. 47 00:04:50.310 --> 00:04:52.119 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Very. We don't see. 48 00:04:52.730 --> 00:04:54.249 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Did anyone hear from Barry? 49 00:04:54.890 --> 00:04:56.390 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, no. Well, you're on mute. 50 00:05:00.180 --> 00:05:01.819 Noel Johnston: If we had a forum. 51 00:05:02.780 --> 00:05:07.969 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, we need 4, for I believe. Okay, there's 6 of us total. 52 00:05:08.340 --> 00:05:10.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So 53 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know if i'm. I don't know if there is in town. 54 00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:21.630 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: but I think she is she. She was here last time, and 55 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:24.160 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: i'm hoping to see bird, too. 56 00:05:24.390 --> 00:05:26.569 I'm just gonna send 57 00:05:27.450 --> 00:05:29.569 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a quick reminder 58 00:05:29.610 --> 00:05:31.439 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: to the 59 00:05:34.570 --> 00:05:35.960 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: text stream. 60 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.850 Noel Johnston: Do you do you have Connie Brooks on your list, Sarah? 61 00:05:43.400 --> 00:05:45.920 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You know what I don't know. 62 00:05:47.030 --> 00:05:47.790 Yes. 63 00:05:47.840 --> 00:05:49.550 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: hey, let me check really, quick. 64 00:05:54.440 --> 00:05:58.270 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, you. I I got your email saying, hey. 65 00:06:01.320 --> 00:06:10.380 Noel Johnston: People like Michelle Zebik knows she doesn't even live here anymore. She hasn't lived here for about 6 months. She's she lives in Arizona and Florida now. 66 00:06:10.810 --> 00:06:15.399 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, yes, Michelle. Yes, of course. 67 00:06:15.630 --> 00:06:26.989 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah. You and I are gonna have to go through it. So Connie Connie Brooks. I don't see on here. But. 68 00:06:27.890 --> 00:06:29.590 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: son, yeah. 69 00:06:31.110 --> 00:06:33.800 Isabelle Duvivier: does she need to be on the text also. 70 00:06:34.180 --> 00:06:38.400 Isabelle Duvivier: or do we only want her to know about activities involving rap. 71 00:06:39.710 --> 00:06:42.390 Noel Johnston: Well, I you know she 72 00:06:42.460 --> 00:06:49.300 Noel Johnston: she's good in the meeting. She always comes to the ocean front walk meetings. It's possibly a little more upper alley. 73 00:06:51.260 --> 00:06:54.900 Noel Johnston: and I did invite her to the weeding tomorrow. 74 00:06:55.350 --> 00:07:00.270 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Connie Connie Books is on the list. By the way, I just yeah, and 75 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:05.560 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: plenty of Garcia said he was gonna come. Do you guys know who that is? 76 00:07:06.900 --> 00:07:09.840 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You do? Okay, he said. He was gonna come. He said he. 77 00:07:09.870 --> 00:07:18.300 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It's interesting because he talked with me back and forth about the meeting earlier in the week. And then he said in his most recent email, Nobody emailed me about this. So 78 00:07:19.080 --> 00:07:22.369 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: i'm hoping that he'll find his way in. We'll see. 79 00:07:24.090 --> 00:07:28.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So we're already at 209, so we probably should probably get started. 80 00:07:29.830 --> 00:07:31.150 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and 81 00:07:31.530 --> 00:07:34.200 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: i'm just trying to 82 00:07:37.030 --> 00:07:38.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yeah myself 83 00:07:39.130 --> 00:07:41.599 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: situated, so I can do the minutes. 84 00:07:43.460 --> 00:07:46.380 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So starting out. 85 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:49.950 Sarah is here. Isabelle 86 00:07:50.890 --> 00:07:52.090 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Noel. 87 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:54.820 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Mark is not here. 88 00:07:55.650 --> 00:07:59.179 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Barry is not here, but Michael is here. Thank you, Michael. 89 00:08:01.110 --> 00:08:06.360 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Everyone, said Michael. Your beard is becoming very full. You know I've decided 90 00:08:06.690 --> 00:08:08.669 Michael McGuffin: there's not that much to do 91 00:08:09.010 --> 00:08:19.370 Michael McGuffin: any more except grow my beard. So i'm thinking about what do you think? I'm thinking about a David Letterman style? I want to keep it neat here, but maybe get down to 92 00:08:19.740 --> 00:08:20.630 Yeah. 93 00:08:21.230 --> 00:08:36.379 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know. I don't know. I think it's going to get in the way of weeding. Honestly, it just gets all dirty as you're pulling things out, I mean. See if I can keep my lunch in there, though after a while you can keep your lunch in there. I know. 94 00:08:36.630 --> 00:08:41.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Matt occasionally gets a pretty big beard, too, but he's never gone as long as David Letterman. 95 00:08:41.760 --> 00:08:43.430 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so 96 00:08:43.929 --> 00:08:50.800 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: there any review or comment on prior minutes, not October. Sorry, November. 97 00:08:53.530 --> 00:09:03.619 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I know October is what should be there, because I haven't posted November yet I do have them, but I don't have not most of them for you guys. So let's take up November's minutes in the next meeting. 98 00:09:06.080 --> 00:09:07.580 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Public comments 99 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:12.619 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Does anybody have public comment that has is not agendized? 100 00:09:13.170 --> 00:09:15.230 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: This is where you guys get to say, hey. 101 00:09:15.330 --> 00:09:19.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you didn't get my thing on there that I wanted 102 00:09:20.760 --> 00:09:21.650 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: anything. 103 00:09:22.720 --> 00:09:27.599 Michael McGuffin: I think that text I sent you this morning. I don't need to put in public comments. Right? 104 00:09:28.140 --> 00:09:30.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Did you send me a text this morning? 105 00:09:32.180 --> 00:09:34.050 Michael McGuffin: Yes, and he responded. 106 00:09:37.030 --> 00:09:40.659 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I must have thought you were somebody else. Oh, yeah, here it is. 107 00:09:41.020 --> 00:09:43.249 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, okay. Thank you. Sorry. 108 00:09:45.910 --> 00:09:48.310 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I do think 109 00:09:48.560 --> 00:09:53.089 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that Tracy's office, or at least for campaign people were invited. 110 00:09:54.390 --> 00:09:59.039 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But I will put her name specifically on our invitation in the future. 111 00:09:59.870 --> 00:10:00.550 Right? 112 00:10:01.090 --> 00:10:03.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, Janine is here! Hi! Jenny 113 00:10:06.410 --> 00:10:09.539 Isabelle Duvivier: Tracy will be at the next V. And C. Meeting. 114 00:10:09.820 --> 00:10:12.360 Isabelle Duvivier: She's on the agenda for the Vnc. 115 00:10:12.420 --> 00:10:15.850 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, is that right? Yeah, that's interesting. Okay, that's great. 116 00:10:15.900 --> 00:10:16.990 Isabelle Duvivier: Hi, Janine 117 00:10:17.530 --> 00:10:26.929 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and Michael. Was there any particular reason just following up on public comment as to why you wanted to invite her. No, it really was exactly that. Hey, You were here. 118 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:31.429 Michael McGuffin: We invited you here during the campaign. 119 00:10:31.520 --> 00:10:35.049 Michael McGuffin: You know. We had a good conversation. We want to remind you 120 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:44.760 Michael McGuffin: of our interests now that you're in a position to serve our interests, and it's you know mostly about that. We've got. 121 00:10:45.220 --> 00:10:49.170 Michael McGuffin: We want all the support that we can get from the City Council on planting 122 00:10:49.320 --> 00:10:57.629 Michael McGuffin: degrees in Venice, and then back to that suggestion that I made about. Also keep your mind on whether there's any open properties that can be 123 00:11:00.060 --> 00:11:10.840 Michael McGuffin: developed as community gardens, so that's all we just really want to repeat it. But her station is different now, and I think it's, you know, bears repeating, as all 124 00:11:11.150 --> 00:11:15.560 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I do, too, the other thing that she said in one of her 125 00:11:15.640 --> 00:11:20.780 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: visits with us, or the one visit that you made was that she planned to hire a Grant writer 126 00:11:20.980 --> 00:11:23.600 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so that our 127 00:11:24.260 --> 00:11:25.880 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: our council district could. 128 00:11:26.330 --> 00:11:29.499 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, apply for lots of grants and really get out there. 129 00:11:29.540 --> 00:11:34.160 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so it might behoove us to talk to her about some of the grant 130 00:11:34.260 --> 00:11:37.729 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: applications that we're going to make, because she may be able to offer us some help. 131 00:11:37.950 --> 00:11:46.549 Isabelle Duvivier: And she had a bunch of really great ideas about how to get money into urban forestry. So if we all, we listen to her. 132 00:11:46.800 --> 00:11:50.760 Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, what she said, then we could remind her of the things she said. 133 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:53.530 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. 134 00:11:54.010 --> 00:11:58.539 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yeah, I mean, I think that what's happening right now is she's concentrating on 135 00:12:00.010 --> 00:12:05.020 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: showing up her political capital with Karen Bass, and then also. 136 00:12:05.050 --> 00:12:12.359 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, dealing with encampments which I have to say a lot of them have been. 137 00:12:13.430 --> 00:12:16.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: A lot of them have been getting cleaned up. 138 00:12:16.690 --> 00:12:23.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so people are definitely getting some temporary housing. I don't know if they're getting permanent housing. 139 00:12:24.180 --> 00:12:27.960 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So there's that. That's good. Okay, so we'll make sure to invite her. 140 00:12:28.360 --> 00:12:33.799 andreas kemkes: Sorry for interrupting that discussion with 141 00:12:33.850 --> 00:12:40.630 andreas kemkes: with Tracy Park has been recorded somewhere, because I don't remind said the details of it any more. 142 00:12:41.120 --> 00:12:47.020 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, it it is. It has been posted, I believe, in our. 143 00:12:47.960 --> 00:12:51.960 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that was no. Was it November that we discussed with her? Or was it October? 144 00:12:52.230 --> 00:13:08.339 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think it was October because it was before the election? Right. So that's right. So we had a meeting after the election occurred, and we would have talked with. We spoke with Aaron in September, and we spoke with Tracy in October, and then the election occurred in early November. 145 00:13:08.350 --> 00:13:25.739 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So yeah, if you want to go back and sit and see what she said, I mean. She did talk definitely a lot about money, and where to get the money, so it might be good to go back and listen to it, and then also to remind her of the kind of promises that she made. 146 00:13:30.500 --> 00:13:34.039 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and also to get help from her if she has hired a Grant writer. 147 00:13:38.100 --> 00:13:42.050 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, just making notes. Okay, so 148 00:13:42.990 --> 00:13:44.850 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: let's move on chair report. 149 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:48.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't have that much to say 150 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:53.450 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: except that Happy New Year and i'm so glad that we're all here. 151 00:13:53.490 --> 00:14:02.420 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I had a really joyful moment moving some oak trees over to Janine's property. It was so wonderful to be out in the rain 152 00:14:02.490 --> 00:14:06.860 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: while hoisting some oak trees around. 153 00:14:06.890 --> 00:14:13.369 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know if you guys have seen the pictures. I think you probably saw the pictures of the trees. They're very healthy. 154 00:14:13.470 --> 00:14:14.560 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean I, 155 00:14:14.640 --> 00:14:20.980 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: of all the yard trees I've ever received and ordered. These are the tallest and the strongest. 156 00:14:21.180 --> 00:14:29.179 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so I don't know what city plants is doing. Maybe city plants decided They weren't going to hand us some crappy looking oaks, and they nurtured them 157 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:33.029 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: for 6 months until they became, you know, 7 feet tall. 158 00:14:33.470 --> 00:14:41.789 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that's about it for me, Isabel. Do you have anything that you'd like to report to us, or or bring up from feedback. 159 00:14:44.970 --> 00:14:45.840 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel? 160 00:14:46.290 --> 00:14:46.980 Isabelle Duvivier: So 161 00:14:47.820 --> 00:14:48.610 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: okay 162 00:14:48.760 --> 00:14:58.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and no Well, do you have anything that you'd like to report to us that we don't already know. Most of us have been around a lot. 163 00:14:59.210 --> 00:15:08.100 Noel Johnston: I I do. I don't know. I know there are a couple of people listening to this. I do want to invite everybody to come out and read with us in the rain tomorrow. 164 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:13.009 Noel Johnston: We're going to be at 20 ninth in the board walk, and we've got our little 165 00:15:13.190 --> 00:15:22.170 Noel Johnston: burden. Venice test plot out there. So yeah, I can not make it because she's throwing a baby shower for her nephew. 166 00:15:22.240 --> 00:15:30.280 Noel Johnston: But I think she is going to invite. She's going to ask Astrid if ask a Astrid can drop by. So 167 00:15:30.740 --> 00:15:47.390 Noel Johnston: reckon Parks is aware of that we're going to be doing this. So what we we hope to do is get a lot of weed out of there and scatter some seeds around. So that's that's our big thing there. I know we're discussing where to put trees later in the in the meeting 168 00:15:47.400 --> 00:15:50.899 Noel Johnston: Isabel did. Did Jill pick up the sycamores? 169 00:15:52.780 --> 00:15:53.620 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. 170 00:15:53.850 --> 00:16:06.909 Noel Johnston: Yeah, we have 6 very tall sycamores. Wow, we got a lot of planning to do that. That's a big burden, Venice effort that we're gonna have to 171 00:16:07.410 --> 00:16:10.369 Noel Johnston: put forth. And I know we're discussing it later in the meeting. 172 00:16:10.410 --> 00:16:11.630 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? Well. 173 00:16:11.670 --> 00:16:31.179 Noel Johnston: later in the meeting is now I just. I just want to also say site the obvious, and say that the rain has been wonderful, for the trees even go everything, all the goals. Jim is looking pretty good right now. Our Our little new trees out by the Skill Center is a little hard to tell. 174 00:16:31.300 --> 00:16:37.500 Noel Johnston: but I think our Vv. 175 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:41.750 Noel Johnston: Efforts are are looking pretty good right now. I'm pleased 176 00:16:42.020 --> 00:16:44.080 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's excellent. 177 00:16:44.250 --> 00:16:52.359 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So new business. We're moving on a new business, and that is our 18 oaks, or is it 19? 178 00:16:52.580 --> 00:16:57.239 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I know there was 3 at 3 at Isabel. 179 00:16:57.660 --> 00:17:00.349 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and how many do you have at your place, Jenny. 180 00:17:02.890 --> 00:17:04.950 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh. 181 00:17:06.760 --> 00:17:08.069 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Janine, you're on mute. 182 00:17:11.210 --> 00:17:28.059 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, I mean, I have counted them a couple of times, and I have either 15 or 16. I cannot remember, so we have 18 or 1918 or 19. So the confusion is not mine alone. Okay. So so we're going to talk about dates in a later. 183 00:17:28.220 --> 00:17:32.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So. But first we're gonna talk about location. 184 00:17:32.440 --> 00:17:35.620 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And so what I'm going to do is i'm going to share a map. 185 00:17:35.980 --> 00:17:45.139 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel has had quite a number of ideas, and I can't keep all of your ideas in my head at the same time, Isabel, i'm sorry to report, but let me get to a map. Here. 186 00:17:48.220 --> 00:17:50.029 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: take me a second. 187 00:17:51.100 --> 00:17:53.240 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I probably should pull up 188 00:17:53.860 --> 00:17:57.069 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the map that I made with the green corridor on it. 189 00:17:58.080 --> 00:18:00.030 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Let me see if I can find that 190 00:18:02.310 --> 00:18:04.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: full type folks. 191 00:18:21.210 --> 00:18:23.339 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, that's not gonna work. 192 00:18:26.520 --> 00:18:28.200 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, yeah, here it is. Okay. 193 00:18:28.810 --> 00:18:30.820 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I'm going to just pull it up in a 194 00:18:35.320 --> 00:18:37.120 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, excellent. 195 00:18:37.370 --> 00:18:39.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Now let me come back to zoom. 196 00:18:40.020 --> 00:18:42.040 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I'm going to share my screen. 197 00:18:44.700 --> 00:18:46.310 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think the sense. 198 00:18:48.930 --> 00:18:50.909 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Can you guys all see the map? 199 00:18:51.690 --> 00:18:56.340 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, okay. So this this is this, is 200 00:18:57.790 --> 00:19:05.090 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It's maybe not as good as having Google up, because it doesn't have the streets that only has the big streets. But 201 00:19:05.250 --> 00:19:12.569 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: maybe, Isabel, you could start at the top of your list of where you'd like these to go, and i'll do my best to put the cursor there. 202 00:19:16.850 --> 00:19:18.779 Barry Campion: You're on mute. You're on mute. 203 00:19:20.750 --> 00:19:25.909 Isabelle Duvivier: Do you want to look at Google Streets view? I can just pull up the locations 204 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:30.169 so you can see the actual parkways. 205 00:19:30.370 --> 00:19:40.969 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, that's the first. I mean. You could do it that way, too. But we can't really see anything on. Okay, let's get. Tell me what your location is. I'm going to go there, and then i'll share my screen. 206 00:19:43.600 --> 00:19:47.479 Isabelle Duvivier: Do you want? Just let me share screen 207 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:51.860 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: if you already have it up. Yeah, go for it. Can you see that? Yeah. 208 00:19:52.020 --> 00:19:53.509 Barry Campion: And everybody else see it? 209 00:19:53.620 --> 00:19:54.570 lenore: Yes. 210 00:19:54.670 --> 00:19:57.740 Isabelle Duvivier: yeah. So this was one location. 211 00:19:58.390 --> 00:20:01.130 Isabelle Duvivier: This is Venice Boulevard. 212 00:20:02.110 --> 00:20:14.619 Isabelle Duvivier: Is this what we're doing? We're talking about where to plant trees. 213 00:20:15.040 --> 00:20:22.060 Isabelle Duvivier: a ramp down to. So students crosses really ugly ramp to get to school. 214 00:20:22.210 --> 00:20:26.390 Isabelle Duvivier: and this entire median is very miserable. Yeah. 215 00:20:26.630 --> 00:20:27.639 that'd be great. 216 00:20:28.170 --> 00:20:32.740 Isabelle Duvivier: So we've got support from the learning garden. 217 00:20:33.190 --> 00:20:47.769 Isabelle Duvivier: We have a science teacher at Venice High School who teaches a ecology class who's agreed to have his club water, the trees David Kings on board, and the woman who runs the 218 00:20:48.140 --> 00:21:02.350 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the learning garden is also excited about it. So that's one location right. Can. May I make a comment or ask a question? So it looks like. Are those stubborns right there of plummet? 219 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:04.330 Isabelle Duvivier: Yes. 220 00:21:04.900 --> 00:21:06.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so 221 00:21:06.350 --> 00:21:11.739 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: do we know anything about this plumbing, or does anybody at Venice High know anything about this planning. 222 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:16.920 Noel Johnston: Isabel? 223 00:21:17.500 --> 00:21:25.210 Noel Johnston: Yes, we know something about that plumbing. We just we just don't know how to turn on the water main. Yet we think we can. 224 00:21:26.200 --> 00:21:34.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so that's great, because, of course, this does look like a really miserable median. And I think part of the reason why it's so miserable is because it's 225 00:21:34.580 --> 00:21:38.939 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know how it's getting watered. Obviously those hedges are getting water. 226 00:21:39.110 --> 00:21:49.489 Noel Johnston: I I I just want to say that the wearing red. 227 00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:52.590 Noel Johnston: I'm sorry. 228 00:21:53.140 --> 00:21:58.939 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's right. Go ahead. I just muted Janine. She's talking to. 229 00:22:01.420 --> 00:22:09.830 Noel Johnston: Okay, Go ahead now. I I you know the it. It's great. We're going to plant trees out here. We we're going to need 230 00:22:10.320 --> 00:22:15.359 Noel Johnston: It's so obvious out here that I think we're going to need a little. 231 00:22:16.280 --> 00:22:16.980 Noel Johnston: What? 232 00:22:17.530 --> 00:22:20.609 Noel Johnston: V. And the approval? Somebody's a portable don't, you think 233 00:22:22.040 --> 00:22:24.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean? I don't that's that was 234 00:22:24.470 --> 00:22:28.300 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel and I were chatting earlier, and I was thinking to myself, oh, God, this looks 235 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:41.150 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: very exposed. It's very public. It's also very exposed, and one of the things that I said was, even if we gorilla plan fees, we should definitely put some kind of 236 00:22:41.200 --> 00:22:42.410 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: sign. 237 00:22:42.510 --> 00:22:50.790 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Just our tags. Our little tree tags have a an official enough look that the city wouldn't come along and rip them out. 238 00:22:51.230 --> 00:22:57.370 Noel Johnston: So I want to say that I don't think that they that barb can grow up, plan anything. 239 00:22:58.380 --> 00:22:59.340 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No. 240 00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:04.310 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I. You know we were. 241 00:23:07.620 --> 00:23:11.720 Noel Johnston: and some of the some of the things that 242 00:23:11.770 --> 00:23:14.660 Noel Johnston: the burden Venice does, or some 243 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:16.970 Noel Johnston: mostly, I think, subtle 244 00:23:17.260 --> 00:23:19.909 Noel Johnston: This one's really unsettled. 245 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:25.960 Noel Johnston: so I don't. I don't know what to say about it. 246 00:23:28.280 --> 00:23:32.459 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: What do you think is about if we go out there and broad daylight and plant 247 00:23:32.550 --> 00:23:41.539 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: 6 oaks, I mean I'm. I'm less worried about that. I do think that that's a concern that Well, I think it absolutely is, and I and I support you in that concern. 248 00:23:41.720 --> 00:23:47.790 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I also am concerned about how exposed they are as young trees. 249 00:23:47.830 --> 00:23:50.560 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and they have very little 250 00:23:51.300 --> 00:23:52.640 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: environmental 251 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:53.840 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: protection 252 00:23:53.900 --> 00:23:55.090 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: against 253 00:23:56.910 --> 00:23:59.020 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: cars running into them. 254 00:23:59.120 --> 00:24:01.479 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: All all kinds of 255 00:24:01.800 --> 00:24:10.370 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, challenges that tree in little trees would encounter. And you may remember when we went to have our tour with Johnny Applesed. 256 00:24:10.800 --> 00:24:23.069 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I can't remember his name now, but they had planted a a a Median. Do you remember this? They planted the Median close to his house. I can't. I think it was on Pico, and it had just everything had died 257 00:24:23.250 --> 00:24:24.060 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: everything. 258 00:24:24.350 --> 00:24:28.819 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and you know. So i'm i'm really concerned about the ongoing health 259 00:24:29.110 --> 00:24:33.239 Noel Johnston: again. I I 260 00:24:33.250 --> 00:24:53.809 Noel Johnston: I should raise and lower my hand here. I'm sorry, Sarah. I I think that this medium is is fairly safe as far as that goes. I mean it's got a good curve on it. The bushes have done fine. We we don't see signs being knocked over. I realize there's some some speed, but it's a it's a nice wide parkway, and 261 00:24:53.820 --> 00:25:03.189 Noel Johnston: I I think the fact that Venice high would love to see something planted out there is is is terrific. I just i'm just wondering. 262 00:25:03.840 --> 00:25:06.339 Noel Johnston: I think it's a great place to plant. Personally. 263 00:25:06.430 --> 00:25:24.929 Noel Johnston: I I like it a lot. I think it. I think the the area is ugly. I think it's a great place to plant. I think if we can get it some occasional water, it would be an ideal place to plant. I just want to make sure that we're not getting ourselves into hot water doing this. Does anybody? Is anybody concerned about this? Besides me. 264 00:25:25.430 --> 00:25:26.670 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Michael, go ahead. 265 00:25:27.060 --> 00:25:29.960 Michael McGuffin: From whom would we request permission? 266 00:25:30.600 --> 00:25:39.000 Noel Johnston: I don't know if we would call, request, permission or not. I think, if we, if we made ourselves, my question is 267 00:25:39.040 --> 00:25:44.389 Michael McGuffin: set aside whether we would, if we would. From whom would we request permission? 268 00:25:47.360 --> 00:25:48.760 Barry Campion: Urban forestry? 269 00:25:49.110 --> 00:25:52.279 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. Probably urban forestry. And yes. 270 00:25:52.600 --> 00:25:55.450 andreas kemkes: Is that something to discuss with Tracy Park. 271 00:25:56.200 --> 00:25:57.280 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Possibly 272 00:25:57.620 --> 00:26:05.469 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean the other thing that I've noticed noticing right here, and I don't know if you guys are. I was thinking, do you see how the street is labeled California 187. 273 00:26:05.620 --> 00:26:08.059 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: This might actually be 274 00:26:08.190 --> 00:26:09.470 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Caltrans 275 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:10.890 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Land 276 00:26:13.030 --> 00:26:15.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: it's like it's, a very good possibility that it's. 277 00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:19.670 Noel Johnston: I wonder if Venice High knows 278 00:26:20.860 --> 00:26:24.649 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: well somebody who might be responsible like the Grounds keeper might know. 279 00:26:24.780 --> 00:26:27.080 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: because, of course, if 280 00:26:27.380 --> 00:26:28.890 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: 187 281 00:26:29.230 --> 00:26:30.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean 282 00:26:31.560 --> 00:26:36.849 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we should ask urban forestry if we could, in a sort of a round about way. 283 00:26:37.110 --> 00:26:42.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: whether they're the people who are responsible for the trees on the side of the street. 284 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:47.569 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do we have anyone that we can still ask those questions to Isabel? 285 00:26:48.580 --> 00:26:56.049 Isabelle Duvivier: Urban forestry is planting for oak trees on Venice Boulevard in the median between 286 00:26:56.120 --> 00:27:02.450 Isabelle Duvivier: Beethoven and Sentinel. So i'm assuming that this median 287 00:27:03.100 --> 00:27:07.999 Isabelle Duvivier: is under their purview. But we've got other options. So why don't? We just 288 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:10.690 Isabelle Duvivier: put a PIN in that it sounds like 289 00:27:10.780 --> 00:27:25.450 Isabelle Duvivier: there's concern, and we've got other places. We can plant them many similar issues, and we probably should have thought that out before we ordered all these trees. 290 00:27:25.600 --> 00:27:37.889 andreas kemkes: I think I think that's fine that we went ahead first. Andreas, do you have another thing you'd like to say. 291 00:27:38.620 --> 00:27:39.970 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: probably yeah. 292 00:27:40.170 --> 00:27:49.239 andreas kemkes: Does it have the bike land the bike lanes on it or no, I don't know which part of Venice was really the exactly transition from. 293 00:27:49.960 --> 00:28:05.090 andreas kemkes: but I I I heard that part of that, some part of that revamping required to transition from the States to the city. 294 00:28:05.580 --> 00:28:09.640 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Did you see that? But it seems to be coming and going kind of 295 00:28:10.360 --> 00:28:14.360 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: anyway. So now Isabel is showing us 296 00:28:14.460 --> 00:28:24.500 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the next location that we are thinking about, which is the Median on Vest Boulevard. But between where the Lutheran churches and Lincoln Boulevard. 297 00:28:24.710 --> 00:28:26.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So this is the 298 00:28:26.370 --> 00:28:32.030 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: sort of is this the end of the median? Is that the very last of the meeting do you get to? Do you get to linking? 299 00:28:32.070 --> 00:28:42.530 Isabelle Duvivier: Yes. Are you keeping an eye on attendees? Because in this view I can't see if there's anybody waiting to come in. There are some people hold on 300 00:28:42.570 --> 00:28:53.129 Isabelle Duvivier: Lenore Lenore, and somebody name somebody else didn't want to be panelists, but I don't know if there is any. 301 00:28:53.140 --> 00:29:03.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Can I ask you, Isabel? If somebody is in the attendees list, it means they are listening, but we can't see them. Isn't that correct? Right? Okay? Well, I've promoted both of them. So 302 00:29:05.870 --> 00:29:08.189 Isabelle Duvivier: so this is the other area. 303 00:29:08.980 --> 00:29:12.869 Isabelle Duvivier: This area would be a partnership with 304 00:29:13.430 --> 00:29:16.300 Isabelle Duvivier: with surf, rider and spy. 305 00:29:16.830 --> 00:29:24.319 Isabelle Duvivier: They would use it as a learning opportunity to teach their volunteers how to plant care for trees. 306 00:29:24.580 --> 00:29:34.780 Isabelle Duvivier: We have the original planting plan. This oak is an example of one oak planted between a cluster of sycamores. 307 00:29:34.970 --> 00:29:40.540 Isabelle Duvivier: They typically did it between every pair of sycamores. 308 00:29:40.700 --> 00:29:48.599 Isabelle Duvivier: But you can see Oopsie sorry further down the row. There's quite a few missing, so we would be replacing the ones that are missing. 309 00:29:50.310 --> 00:29:51.310 Isabelle Duvivier: And 310 00:29:51.410 --> 00:29:52.860 Isabelle Duvivier: I'm. Assuming that 311 00:29:53.300 --> 00:29:57.269 Noel Johnston: we're just talking about sycamore is in this area. 312 00:29:57.660 --> 00:30:02.780 Isabelle Duvivier: No, these are oaks, these are all. So we're replacing sycamore with oaks. 313 00:30:03.100 --> 00:30:13.800 Isabelle Duvivier: We're replacing oaks with oaks replacing, replacing oaks with oaks. You see how noelle? Do you see how there are a few oaks there. 314 00:30:14.010 --> 00:30:16.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: do we? I don't know if you guys 315 00:30:17.110 --> 00:30:19.279 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: ever looked at that 316 00:30:19.560 --> 00:30:22.039 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: palette that was 317 00:30:22.070 --> 00:30:28.510 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: worked out during Jim Yours's day is doing this. Okay, nice. This trees look right there. 318 00:30:28.980 --> 00:30:36.070 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean the the the cigarettes seem to be doing pretty well it. You know the oaks that the majority are doing well. 319 00:30:36.090 --> 00:30:52.659 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It's definitely. The question in my mind is again watering, but, as Noel says, it seems like we will be able to get some watering over there, and I think that should be in conjunction with the planting, we should. We should try to make sure there's some water coming to this island. 320 00:30:52.820 --> 00:30:58.720 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: or we could try to rely on spy to do it. What do you think, Isabel? Or 321 00:30:58.850 --> 00:31:01.590 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: it looks like somebody's got our hand up? Go ahead 322 00:31:01.740 --> 00:31:02.650 to me. 323 00:31:03.340 --> 00:31:04.880 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think you're muted. 324 00:31:05.270 --> 00:31:07.380 Janin Paine: But okay. 325 00:31:07.810 --> 00:31:18.500 Janin Paine: I like both the locations. I think this one, since we're replacing something that was already there. We're less likely to have an issue with it. But also there's an organization that I just found out about a called 326 00:31:18.570 --> 00:31:21.399 Janin Paine: Festival Tree Replant Tree Festival. 327 00:31:21.550 --> 00:31:25.569 Janin Paine: and they have. They said that they're getting Grant money, and they're looking for locations. 328 00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:26.860 Janin Paine: and 329 00:31:26.970 --> 00:31:29.989 Janin Paine: they would bring volunteers to plant things. 330 00:31:30.280 --> 00:31:32.730 Janin Paine: And what are they called? They're called 331 00:31:33.320 --> 00:31:35.580 Janin Paine: tree. Let's see festival 332 00:31:36.340 --> 00:31:38.600 Janin Paine: replant Trees Festival. 333 00:31:39.130 --> 00:31:46.439 Janin Paine: They have some music idea. They want to do like a music thing and plant trees, and they'll bring volunteers, and they may have some grant money even for ongoing 334 00:31:46.600 --> 00:31:49.489 Janin Paine: or some trees. I just emailed them last night. So 335 00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:54.420 Janin Paine: then we said we might need watering. I thought, this is an I a place I can check with them 336 00:31:55.800 --> 00:32:01.589 Janin Paine: and I, because maybe they'll come up to my place and plant trees, so maybe they would plant trees here. 337 00:32:02.070 --> 00:32:03.580 Janin Paine: They're in La somewhere. 338 00:32:04.370 --> 00:32:07.080 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Nice. Okay, yeah. So 339 00:32:07.170 --> 00:32:10.139 Janin Paine: I can get the information about that. Okay. 340 00:32:10.710 --> 00:32:23.000 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I that's great. I would love to hear more about that, Isabel, when you spoke with Spy and Surfrier, Did they say that they might be willing to be responsible for the watering? 341 00:32:24.090 --> 00:32:27.999 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, I mean, that was. The point is that they would steward the trees. 342 00:32:28.020 --> 00:32:28.810 Okay. 343 00:32:33.300 --> 00:32:36.210 Isabelle Duvivier: we Haven't had a long detailed conversation about it. 344 00:32:36.380 --> 00:32:38.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. 345 00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:42.659 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that's another location now. And how many trees do you think would fit in this location? 346 00:32:42.760 --> 00:32:49.690 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We haven't. We don't really know, but at least 6 okay, it does look like it's fairly. There's a 347 00:32:49.740 --> 00:32:55.480 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: there a bit of space there just going on, and I've always looked at it and thought, oh, man, it looks a little bit barren. 348 00:32:55.540 --> 00:32:59.739 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, go ahead, Barry. 349 00:32:59.780 --> 00:33:06.380 Barry Campion: I actually think the trees don't look that great. I think they were planted. What? 30 years ago. 350 00:33:06.560 --> 00:33:13.730 Barry Campion: and I think they look stunted to me. I think the soil is looks horribly compacted. 351 00:33:14.060 --> 00:33:16.830 Barry Campion: and it would be great to see. 352 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:25.400 Barry Campion: you know these mediums breaking up the soil, getting rid of some of the scruffy grasses that are non-native, and just, you know. 353 00:33:25.420 --> 00:33:26.560 Barry Campion: really 354 00:33:26.620 --> 00:33:31.200 Barry Campion: putting 6 inches of molten there and trying to get these trees to do better. 355 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:40.820 Barry Campion: and then they would retain more moisture when they were watered, and it would look a hell of a lot better right now. There, it just looks just looks pretty awful, so 356 00:33:40.890 --> 00:33:42.120 Barry Campion: that would be 357 00:33:42.810 --> 00:33:50.459 Barry Campion: my vote. I think it's a great location for trees, but I I just love to see a more welcoming environment for them to land. And 358 00:33:50.760 --> 00:33:57.130 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yeah, I I I would agree. Janina, are you do it? Did you have another point you wanted to make? Or is your hand just? 359 00:34:00.110 --> 00:34:01.150 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You're on mute. 360 00:34:02.070 --> 00:34:07.310 Janin Paine: My hand is just up. I will take it down. I'm at an open house, so I got a couple of people here, so i'm going to listen. 361 00:34:07.590 --> 00:34:09.559 But 362 00:34:09.620 --> 00:34:24.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: thank you. Okay. So, Barry, I yeah, I would agree. I do think that this should be. If we are going to plant in this spot it should be conditioned upon Spy helping us find a spot to put 363 00:34:24.060 --> 00:34:25.820 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: probably 2 dumps 364 00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:27.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: of mulch. 365 00:34:27.449 --> 00:34:33.969 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and moving that mulch across the street obviously would be a pretty big challenge. 366 00:34:34.090 --> 00:34:35.649 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But you know. 367 00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:40.180 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: maybe we make sure that we've got 3 or 4 wheelbarrows going. 368 00:34:40.270 --> 00:34:41.299 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And 369 00:34:41.520 --> 00:34:47.440 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: what do you guys think about? Possibly getting the mulch down before we plan. Is that optimal or 370 00:34:48.139 --> 00:34:57.830 Barry Campion: Well, Well, I think you're gonna wanna the the soil is also high there. So I think you're actually gonna want to lower a little bit of that soil because it's 371 00:34:58.260 --> 00:35:04.250 Barry Campion: not in all the places, but otherwise you're just gonna have a big pump of molten it, will it will wash away so 372 00:35:04.330 --> 00:35:07.779 Barry Campion: it's kind of a big project, really, to 373 00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:10.790 Barry Campion: try to break that soil up. 374 00:35:11.220 --> 00:35:15.910 Barry Campion: Move it out. You're going to generate more soil when you plan. So 375 00:35:17.180 --> 00:35:19.820 Barry Campion: in any way, I I I think that 376 00:35:21.050 --> 00:35:23.519 Barry Campion: I would get rid of the soil first. 377 00:35:23.760 --> 00:35:28.990 Barry Campion: Have some mulch there to help with the planting. But do the main motion when you're done 378 00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:33.249 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, do you think it's possible to really move? I mean. 379 00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:39.879 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: there's trees already existing there. If we removed soil, will we be damaging or challenging those trees? 380 00:35:40.010 --> 00:35:48.799 Barry Campion: Well, we can be careful and and remove it where it makes sense. Obviously we don't want to approach on the roof, Brown, and, you know, just be sort of thoughtful about it. But 381 00:35:49.020 --> 00:35:50.700 Barry Campion: I just. 382 00:35:51.030 --> 00:36:00.979 Barry Campion: I think it's part of the problem, the soil so high that it's just run off, and it's so compacted, I think whatever water they get by rain probably just runs off. For the most part 383 00:36:00.990 --> 00:36:12.640 Isabelle Duvivier: I I can't. I'm not allowed to raise my hand for, because i'm a co-host. So I just want to show you. This was a location that Noel and I thought we could actually get a a dump of mulch 384 00:36:12.890 --> 00:36:19.949 Isabelle Duvivier: it. It looks very short and small in this image, because i'm so close in, but it's a big, really large 385 00:36:20.090 --> 00:36:37.799 Isabelle Duvivier: area, and the tree canopy is pretty high at. So you're talking about dumping the most in the on the lawn underneath these 2 trees. Yeah, yeah. So we could get a a dump brought here. And then, you know, Use that mult over the course of a couple of of sessions. 386 00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:45.500 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I also want to try your attention to the fact that there's 2 hands that Yes, I I would like to address those folks. 387 00:36:45.530 --> 00:36:53.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think Jim actually raised his hand at first I'm not quite sure how. No, I got in line ahead of him. So, Jim, Why, don't you go ahead? 388 00:36:53.660 --> 00:36:56.170 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You need to UN. You need to. Yeah, there you go. 389 00:36:56.520 --> 00:36:58.790 jim murez: So first of all. 390 00:36:59.330 --> 00:37:02.250 jim murez: whoever thinks those trees are 391 00:37:03.080 --> 00:37:11.089 jim murez: malnourished or stunted, or whatever you want to call them, because they're not getting enough rainwater run off, or whatever 392 00:37:11.220 --> 00:37:13.899 jim murez: you're completely wrong. 393 00:37:14.170 --> 00:37:20.320 jim murez: Many of those trees, if not all of them, now have reached the ground water table. 394 00:37:20.840 --> 00:37:27.379 jim murez: The issue that exists there is considerably different than anything you've probably ever dealt with. 395 00:37:27.560 --> 00:37:42.800 jim murez: When I planted those in the early 19 nineties, I had to break through the roadway base. The Caltrans had installed across the entire roadway, which was inch and a half to 2 and a half inch hard rock 396 00:37:43.140 --> 00:37:45.820 jim murez: compacted with huge machines. 397 00:37:45.940 --> 00:37:54.169 jim murez: and so getting past that surface layer meant that it it opened the hole where the roots could then grow down. 398 00:37:54.410 --> 00:37:58.260 jim murez: But in many locations, we actually hit the ground water table. 399 00:37:58.630 --> 00:38:04.149 jim murez: The groundwater table at the place where you're looking right now is less than 5 feet. 400 00:38:04.490 --> 00:38:15.299 jim murez: and that's after you go through a two-foot thick roadway base. So if you can imagine that the roots of those trees are either growing into the rocks 401 00:38:15.370 --> 00:38:18.740 jim murez: or they're going past the rocks into the water table. 402 00:38:19.210 --> 00:38:25.099 jim murez: and there are a few of the trees that are like the oak tree to the left of the view. Right now 403 00:38:25.350 --> 00:38:34.119 jim murez: that it is much smaller than the one in the center, but the one that's in the center is actually on top of a 36 inch diameter. Water pipe. 404 00:38:34.220 --> 00:38:36.190 jim murez: and that's what that green 405 00:38:36.580 --> 00:38:49.149 jim murez: thing there is in the center. That's a blow off felt. There's a tremendous amount of of work in detail that was put into planting those trees, and if you think that the dirt is high now, you should have seen it when I started. 406 00:38:49.160 --> 00:38:58.079 jim murez: but I already did put in a ton of mulch into there, and tried to light the soil on top of the roadway base as much as possible. We dug out the first foot. 407 00:38:58.120 --> 00:39:07.779 jim murez: everything from curve to curve when that was being done, and the irrigation system that's in there was down 2 feet, and we also had to get that to go past the rock level 408 00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:09.579 jim murez: 6 or 8 inches down. 409 00:39:09.640 --> 00:39:17.660 jim murez: So you know, when you decide to take this on and keep. By the way, keep in mind that there are root control barriers all along the back side of the curve on each side of the street. 410 00:39:18.250 --> 00:39:19.989 jim murez: wherever the trees were being planted. 411 00:39:20.250 --> 00:39:39.080 jim murez: and those are, linear and those go down 2 feet as well. So you know, before you start taking this on, you need to do a whole lot of investigation about what can and should be done, and as far as watering the surface, I mean, if you want to do deep water and turn the sprinklers on at night for 10 min each night, and let the water start soaking in. 412 00:39:39.090 --> 00:39:44.949 jim murez: If you wanted to do lighter surface watering just water, you know once every few days, and the grasses will grow back. 413 00:39:45.120 --> 00:39:49.479 jim murez: The grasses that were planted intentionally were all natives. 414 00:39:49.630 --> 00:39:51.680 jim murez: and if some of them have not 415 00:39:52.020 --> 00:39:59.319 jim murez: maintain that species. It's only because there' been renegade planting done by some people in the community. 416 00:39:59.380 --> 00:40:03.320 jim murez: But there is a landscape plan that calls out nothing but native grasses. 417 00:40:03.350 --> 00:40:05.669 jim murez: Katie Katie 418 00:40:05.730 --> 00:40:09.600 jim murez: Spits was the one that did the the entire design for that. 419 00:40:09.810 --> 00:40:15.269 jim murez: And and so you know, yeah, if you just went back to landscaping plan and re-en those are all online. By the way. 420 00:40:15.290 --> 00:40:18.610 jim murez: if you went back and looked at that, you could see what everything was there. 421 00:40:18.670 --> 00:40:31.050 jim murez: But I believe At this point the sprinkler systems have been turned off of the main control bells, but there are hose bibs all along the way. Every 200 feet. There's another host of so 100 foot host can always reach from 422 00:40:31.070 --> 00:40:32.710 jim murez: from host, but to host it. 423 00:40:32.780 --> 00:40:39.569 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So, Jim, do you know where we can turn on the water. Do you know where that control is? 424 00:40:40.030 --> 00:40:44.569 jim murez: It's actually it's actually called out on the on the prints as well. 425 00:40:45.100 --> 00:40:53.369 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and and where where you said they were available online. Where are they online? 426 00:40:54.540 --> 00:40:58.939 jim murez: Shoot? I don't remember. I think it's venice.net forward slash, landscaping 427 00:40:59.260 --> 00:41:00.799 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: dot net. 428 00:41:02.190 --> 00:41:05.799 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I believe. So. 429 00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:15.250 jim murez: So, venice.net Forward, slash! 430 00:41:15.470 --> 00:41:19.529 jim murez: Have a whole lot more information like the Venice, the building, and all sorts of other. 431 00:41:19.800 --> 00:41:27.360 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? Well, I mean, I I think what you say is very informative, and that's really helpful. There is no doubt 432 00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:47.039 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that mulching has to be done on a regular basis. You can't just mulch once, and then think the soil is going to retain. This is 25 years later, and we mulch our trees probably you know once every 2 months 433 00:41:47.050 --> 00:41:48.899 roadway material. 434 00:41:48.980 --> 00:41:54.949 jim murez: and and so we pulled out the first 6 or 8 inches of that, and then we brought in 435 00:41:56.420 --> 00:42:02.550 jim murez: a mixture that that Garn Wallace had recommended to be mixed in, and Garn is the 436 00:42:02.680 --> 00:42:06.590 jim murez: the leading expert, I think. 437 00:42:06.650 --> 00:42:14.610 jim murez: and he specified what the mix should be, and we we we roto till the entire area before we started planting anything. 438 00:42:14.890 --> 00:42:31.439 jim murez: and then as the next step, we then went back and started installing all the trees right, and whenever we were drilling holes for the trees, we always tried to move away all the we actually had a special device. It was called a rock rate that that extracted the rocks from the rest of the dirt, so we could get rid of the 439 00:42:31.560 --> 00:42:34.910 jim murez: the larger granite rocks that kel transit put in. 440 00:42:35.300 --> 00:42:41.100 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So so I i'd like to. I have another question, but no else. Got our hand up. 441 00:42:41.600 --> 00:42:44.450 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No? Well, did you want to say something? 442 00:42:46.590 --> 00:42:59.589 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You're You're muted 443 00:42:59.920 --> 00:43:06.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: in consideration. It does have a number of different challenges, as Barry has pointed out. 444 00:43:06.420 --> 00:43:13.989 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and but we have partners that we can work with, and we have Jim, who has a lot of information to share with us. 445 00:43:14.020 --> 00:43:24.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So why Don't, we keep that on our list, and we can look at the others that Isabel has brought up 446 00:43:24.350 --> 00:43:30.149 jim murez: when when we did these plantings it was a time when a guy named Robert Kennedy 447 00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:36.280 jim murez: was in charge of the Department of Street Tree, and I was actually part of the first group to go through the 448 00:43:36.340 --> 00:43:39.069 jim murez: to help form the the original 449 00:43:39.410 --> 00:43:44.980 jim murez: Urban Street Tree Department, or or forestry, whatever they call it. Now is it belts in it now? 450 00:43:45.090 --> 00:43:57.099 jim murez: And and before he would let us plant what's there today? We had to get special sign off from all kinds of different departments, because the spacing of the trees was much closer together 451 00:43:57.120 --> 00:43:59.279 jim murez: than anything they had planted to date. 452 00:43:59.320 --> 00:44:04.070 jim murez: And I believe if you go back to day, and Isabel can probably verify this very easily. 453 00:44:04.110 --> 00:44:09.879 jim murez: but I don't think that they will allow trees to be planted at 30 feet, much less 20 feet apart. 454 00:44:09.980 --> 00:44:18.189 jim murez: and and so, if you look at the pattern of trees on the plans, the oak tree in the center is actually traveling between 455 00:44:18.630 --> 00:44:19.479 jim murez: 2 456 00:44:19.530 --> 00:44:38.609 jim murez: sycamore trees on either side. The sycamores were planted on the north side, always at 30 feet center to center, and on the south side center to center. But the entire park was only 19 feet wide, which meant that the trees were only 15 feet apart. And then there was this oak tree in the center. It was really only 7 feet away. 457 00:44:38.620 --> 00:44:39.609 jim murez: So 458 00:44:39.680 --> 00:44:52.339 jim murez: what you're looking at is a much higher density of trees, and of course you're looking at it during the winter. Now, if you're looking at it during the spring or summer the leaves would be full, and it would. Liter Street looks considerably different. 459 00:44:52.670 --> 00:44:56.540 jim murez: But the trees that were chosen for here were because 460 00:44:56.560 --> 00:45:09.679 jim murez: the oak trees would maintain their leaves during the winter, and the sycamore trees would lose their leaves during the winter. Now some of the oak trees are much smaller. No clue Why? And as far as 461 00:45:09.770 --> 00:45:29.439 jim murez: where you see areas that are completely unplanted where the left turn pockets exist. That's because the department of Transportation, the transportation engineer for West La would not allow trees to be planted there, claiming that it was an obstruction of the turning radius for people turning. 462 00:45:29.450 --> 00:45:35.519 jim murez: and you know what it wasn't an argument that we could have any more at the time. Maybe we could go back and look at that. But 463 00:45:35.870 --> 00:45:39.689 jim murez: you know, wherever there was, if you look in front of the air one 464 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.369 jim murez: there's there's 2 full 2 full island lengths there 465 00:45:43.390 --> 00:45:48.129 jim murez: that have were never planted with trees, and that's because they would not allow us to. 466 00:45:48.310 --> 00:45:56.820 jim murez: And and so that I mean to me that's a real challenge. Can we actually get there's one right here on the left. That's if you back up. Now 467 00:45:57.130 --> 00:46:07.109 jim murez: you'll see that right there, you know they they say it's not it. You can't plant that because they wouldn't let us get any closer to the end of there, because it was going to be an obstruction. 468 00:46:07.260 --> 00:46:26.690 jim murez: So you know that that that's the issue, that it's much more than 30 feet to the tip of. There would look great if we could plant something there. But you know what we planted the grasses around Centennial Park when I, when I created Centennial Park, and I built that up to the elevation that it was, and we had nothing but native grasses all the way around the perimeter of Centennial Park. 469 00:46:27.470 --> 00:46:45.049 jim murez: A few years later Lapd came back and said, hey, we can't see across the park. You got to cut all the grasses down, and they did the same thing on Menace Boulevard when they said, oh, the grasses are getting too tall. You got to get somebody to go out and all the tops. So that's what happened to a lot of the grasses. They were all cut down 470 00:46:45.060 --> 00:46:47.949 jim murez: at the wrong time of year, and as a result they all died. 471 00:46:48.290 --> 00:46:52.080 Noel Johnston: I'm sorry, Gina. Who was it? Who was it who prevented you from doing that? 472 00:46:52.580 --> 00:47:00.400 jim murez: The L. A. L. A. Well, it depends what you're referring to. The putting into the trees was the the street. It was the engineering 473 00:47:02.130 --> 00:47:03.529 jim murez: the city, and 474 00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:11.869 Isabelle Duvivier: here they let you put them in, Jim, but it's not when you get close to the tip. 475 00:47:12.950 --> 00:47:27.289 jim murez: It's not the it's not the width of the Parkway, but it was the location well at in parentheses to that part right there. We couldn't plan. We couldn't get the best they wanted us to stay a minimum of I think it was 8. 476 00:47:27.680 --> 00:47:44.820 jim murez: No, it's 30 feet. It's 30 feet. But now you couldn't do it, so see, there's you can't put anything there, and if you have the grass there that the the if the grass is higher than about 15 inches, they're going to say it's going to obstruct the view of the person driving by being able to make the turn safe. 477 00:47:45.960 --> 00:48:00.120 jim murez: So I mean, I think those are the challenges. If you go down the ones in front of air One, I think that the parkways there or not, not the Parkway, but the Median there is only like 18 inches wide, and so they said, No, you can't put any trees in there, because it was wasn't wide enough. 478 00:48:00.250 --> 00:48:02.390 jim murez: and we have we had the 479 00:48:02.740 --> 00:48:09.059 jim murez: The tpoos were on the perimeter around on the outside areas, and then sigmores and oaks were in the center. 480 00:48:09.130 --> 00:48:14.310 jim murez: So those long over the very green ones there along the right. But for all the tea Poos 481 00:48:21.910 --> 00:48:27.739 Isabelle Duvivier: so, Jim, if we were to replace the oaks that used to be there that are no longer there. 482 00:48:27.910 --> 00:48:37.479 jim murez: do you think? Do you see any problem? If we knew there was an oak there before, and 483 00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:52.169 jim murez: and there's probably 5 or 6 of the oaks down towards the Lincoln boulevard again that definitely died off over the years. I mean. I I know one that was hit by a car, you know. There's just different things that happened along the way. 484 00:48:52.420 --> 00:48:53.399 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. 485 00:48:53.450 --> 00:48:54.209 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yeah. 486 00:48:55.090 --> 00:49:00.749 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't think that any problem with that whatsoever right? Some of them are quite healthy looking the oaks. 487 00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:20.209 jim murez: Yeah. And it's really bizarre, how some of them grew that one right there grew huge, and why did it grow so huge? And one right next to it? Didn't? It's very strange. It might have something to do with the planting conditions that you described, because if you go back one a tiny bit, you'll see that there was one that that died. 488 00:49:20.270 --> 00:49:42.809 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, yeah, I saw that before, you know. Also, I've seen the Mo. And blow guys out there on. They go out there Friday mornings at like 70'clock. These ones look at how nice those folks look! They just I mean they have it all has to do with the water table, I mean, you know, Did they happen to hit the water table early on, or did they not? 489 00:49:42.820 --> 00:50:01.189 jim murez: Did we actually break through all of the all of the granite rock that was pushed into the ground at the time, if we didn't, and the tree ended up being planted on time. You remember I was doing this with with 30 youth at risk kids, and it was like, you know, I was driving the tractor drilling the holes, and it was their responsibility to make sure that the rocks were pulled out 490 00:50:01.200 --> 00:50:15.799 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: at the end of the day. The Jim i'm sorry to cut this short, but we are almost at 30'clock, and I would like to. I I know it's it's great. It's great to get the information, but I would like to move on to the other locations that we're considering, because this 491 00:50:15.910 --> 00:50:23.059 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I mean it it to me like we probably would be safe to plant within the original plan. 492 00:50:23.340 --> 00:50:35.050 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: right? So that, I think is probably a good idea. We just have to look at the plans and see which of the oak trees have died, and need to be replaced, and find out how many of them are. 493 00:50:35.400 --> 00:50:38.740 jim murez: If you can locate some, some 494 00:50:39.090 --> 00:50:51.289 jim murez: what they call street standards of the sycamores. I'm sure we can come up with the funding, if if not through the the Bnc. Then through the Farmers' market, I mean, I would be happy to help spring for that 495 00:50:51.410 --> 00:50:59.000 jim murez: if it's a reasonable price to replace several of the sycamores. But again, the problem there is going to be: Can we get street tree to come out 496 00:50:59.250 --> 00:51:01.789 jim murez: and stunk right where the trees were knocked down 497 00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:03.499 jim murez: and Pen fix it. 498 00:51:04.850 --> 00:51:07.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so that's something to take into consideration. 499 00:51:07.970 --> 00:51:14.580 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So Isabel, what were you considering what was the next location that you were considering. 500 00:51:15.190 --> 00:51:18.509 Isabelle Duvivier: Well, we right. This is all of us. Yes. 501 00:51:18.580 --> 00:51:21.160 Isabelle Duvivier: yeah, this isn't the is about show. 502 00:51:21.260 --> 00:51:25.979 Isabelle Duvivier: I'm trying to find both catsio. 503 00:51:26.180 --> 00:51:37.059 jim murez: It's a little farther. Yeah, where is it? 504 00:51:37.080 --> 00:51:42.240 jim murez: I still have the folders on. Who gave permission at the time. 505 00:51:42.790 --> 00:51:48.180 Isabelle Duvivier: So yeah, so we were thinking, Help me, Can you guys see which one 506 00:51:48.790 --> 00:51:50.349 Michael McGuffin: go back up? 507 00:51:50.420 --> 00:51:52.879 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, right 508 00:51:53.550 --> 00:51:54.970 Michael McGuffin: You were almost there. 509 00:51:55.010 --> 00:51:59.700 Michael McGuffin: It's parallel to it. It's parallel to crest one. 510 00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:01.730 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You just zoom out a little bit 511 00:52:02.010 --> 00:52:03.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and or go up. 512 00:52:03.620 --> 00:52:04.839 Michael McGuffin: go up. Yeah. 513 00:52:06.480 --> 00:52:11.750 Michael McGuffin: yeah, it says right there. I see it almost yeah to the right to the right to the right. 514 00:52:12.680 --> 00:52:20.099 jim murez: Keep moving your curs. Your farther to the right. You're going down at 45 degrees. 515 00:52:20.380 --> 00:52:24.930 Isabelle Duvivier: Oh. 516 00:52:25.310 --> 00:52:27.999 Isabelle Duvivier: all right. Okay. Here we go. 517 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.989 Isabelle Duvivier: So I think I want to turn around 518 00:52:32.860 --> 00:52:37.120 Isabelle Duvivier: all right. Here we go on my house. 519 00:52:37.930 --> 00:52:46.000 jim murez: Yeah, let's go by your house. Is it this straight here 520 00:52:46.140 --> 00:52:52.759 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: towards the south. Yeah, south towards Washington a little bit. This should be right there, right? 521 00:52:56.300 --> 00:53:00.650 Isabelle Duvivier: Okay. So this street has all those terrific oaks on it. 522 00:53:01.110 --> 00:53:05.820 Isabelle Duvivier: We know one person on the street who would like an oak 523 00:53:06.140 --> 00:53:10.950 Isabelle Duvivier: in front of her property. This is the oak where we all discussed 524 00:53:11.020 --> 00:53:13.219 Isabelle Duvivier: needs to be. 525 00:53:13.270 --> 00:53:29.000 jim murez: It's: yeah, this one, I think, is the one that needs to be saved from the 526 00:53:29.280 --> 00:53:44.899 Isabelle Duvivier: No. No, it's just that. One of them has a bunch of jade plant in a pot sitting around it. We we looked at it on a tour when we went on a tour with, so I think one of these houses, this house. 527 00:53:44.910 --> 00:53:53.069 Isabelle Duvivier: this woman, her friend, came to one of our events. She wants an oak in front of her house. It's a little problematic, but maybe we could talk 528 00:53:53.090 --> 00:54:10.749 Isabelle Duvivier: her neighbor into sharing an oak and maybe putting it here. But anyway, I thought this street was a great potential, because there's a lot of room, and there's a lot of great oaks on the street. But this street requires a little bit more community. 529 00:54:10.850 --> 00:54:14.960 Isabelle Duvivier: They have a lot of nice sycamores at the end. 530 00:54:15.120 --> 00:54:21.800 Isabelle Duvivier: And a lot of you know new buildings that Don't realize they have all these gorgeous oaks. 531 00:54:22.030 --> 00:54:23.870 Isabelle Duvivier: So 532 00:54:24.210 --> 00:54:25.330 Isabelle Duvivier: no. 533 00:54:25.510 --> 00:54:35.770 Isabelle Duvivier: no, i'm. A friend with one person on the street named John. I reached out to him to see if he wanted an oak, but I haven't heard back from him, so I might, you know 534 00:54:36.510 --> 00:54:40.129 Isabelle Duvivier: we might also just consider going through and planting them. 535 00:54:40.370 --> 00:54:42.219 Isabelle Duvivier: you know, like, oh, we're 536 00:54:42.860 --> 00:54:47.440 Isabelle Duvivier: we're barb, and we're here, Vvg: we're here to plant your trees. 537 00:54:48.020 --> 00:54:52.280 Isabelle Duvivier: So this was one location, Sarah. What were the other ones? 538 00:54:52.660 --> 00:54:55.530 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hold on! I'm just writing this one down. 539 00:54:56.830 --> 00:55:00.550 Isabelle Duvivier: Any comments on this before we move to the next one. 540 00:55:01.460 --> 00:55:03.050 Isabelle Duvivier: Jim, your hands still up. 541 00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:11.360 jim murez: Sorry i'll. I'll lower my no. I just mentioned that Robert Tibeto has a property here that he's. I think any ready to build. 542 00:55:12.580 --> 00:55:13.540 Isabelle Duvivier: Hmm. 543 00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.580 Isabelle Duvivier: You know, Robert. Right? Yeah, we all do. 544 00:55:18.810 --> 00:55:23.180 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do you think he would be interested in in that? 545 00:55:23.360 --> 00:55:26.070 jim murez: Most likely. Yes, most likely. Yes. 546 00:55:26.830 --> 00:55:35.809 Isabelle Duvivier: Okay, i'm just. I don't know why, but my 547 00:55:35.890 --> 00:55:47.259 jim murez: just plant them and claim that it was okay. I think I would probably go through the permit process and see if you get the property owners all buy in and sign off that they'll take care of them for the first 5 years. 548 00:55:47.420 --> 00:55:54.060 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, that it's not really a permitting process. It's just that, like we go out and we get the them to sign the form. 549 00:55:54.110 --> 00:56:01.679 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then we plant. But but there is, there is an official permit process to your public works. 550 00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.000 jim murez: It's not a big deal. 551 00:56:05.260 --> 00:56:07.589 jim murez: It just has to be signed off, and then 552 00:56:08.570 --> 00:56:15.269 jim murez: you know they they can't then come back and claim later that she we didn't know when we want to take it out that's all. 553 00:56:16.070 --> 00:56:17.249 Yeah, that's true. 554 00:56:18.080 --> 00:56:25.470 Isabelle Duvivier: So we also have a bunch of sycamore we have. We've inherited 6 555 00:56:26.190 --> 00:56:31.239 Isabelle Duvivier: since you haven't found your license, Sarah. Tell me I just found it 556 00:56:31.310 --> 00:56:47.229 Isabelle Duvivier: so. So. The top no sorry now that i'm moving into the sycamore. Let me just finish. So there's a bunch of empty tree wells on Venice Boulevard that could use replacement sycamores. We saw 2 yesterday by the farmers market. 557 00:56:47.240 --> 00:56:58.479 Isabelle Duvivier: There's also the ones that were damaged here at the end. Yeah, so I don't think we could fit 7 anymore. But 558 00:56:58.500 --> 00:57:02.240 jim murez: what what do you mean? You can't fit them 559 00:57:02.580 --> 00:57:04.899 Isabelle Duvivier: well, because if you look. 560 00:57:07.480 --> 00:57:13.190 jim murez: you can count them and see exactly where they were, where they were killed and just replace them. 561 00:57:13.470 --> 00:57:14.330 Yeah. 562 00:57:14.400 --> 00:57:16.169 jim murez: it's that whole block, right? There 563 00:57:17.570 --> 00:57:31.760 Isabelle Duvivier: is. That is the encampment still there. 564 00:57:31.770 --> 00:57:50.910 Noel Johnston: 2,020. There's actually 7. I mean. I have a record of all 7. Well, it's because they were. We have a record of that as well, Jim. Those those are the ones that were poisoned that we're talking about right, and I I I had. I had garn do a soils analysis 565 00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:53.200 jim murez: about 3 or 4 years ago. 566 00:57:53.400 --> 00:58:01.560 jim murez: and and the soil was so hot, very high in a. In a Ph. The Ph was still, you know, too high, but he thought that we could probably 567 00:58:01.600 --> 00:58:08.879 Noel Johnston: bleach out whatever was it still in this? 568 00:58:09.070 --> 00:58:10.950 Noel Johnston: Okay. 569 00:58:11.090 --> 00:58:26.900 jim murez: I think I did. I send that thing. We could certainly do that again. Yeah, by by now. I suspect that there's weeds growing on the surface that that whatever was in the soil back, then the weeds were just starting to grow when when Garden did the analysis of it. 570 00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.979 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So so I would. I'm not sure I would want to put 571 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.469 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: very young trees 572 00:58:34.540 --> 00:58:38.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: in a location where there's still a lot of folks living. 573 00:58:39.100 --> 00:58:40.610 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I just think it's 574 00:58:40.830 --> 00:58:45.230 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It's full hearty. We've had a lot of damage to trees that we've planted 575 00:58:45.390 --> 00:58:48.529 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: over the last few months, Jim, and 576 00:58:48.870 --> 00:59:04.230 jim murez: you know I agree. Let them let them clean up the homeless. First let them do whatever they're going to do there, and then come back and plan them, and they need to be street. They need to be standards, and there's they need to have that that for 6 feet, or whatever, 7 feet, whatever they call it, a of no branching 577 00:59:04.460 --> 00:59:05.899 jim murez: before 578 00:59:06.550 --> 00:59:15.460 jim murez: you know, before you start to see the crowd or the head of the tree up above and and and the city of tag them, and it's not a big deal. I mean, you know we can get the money to do it. 579 00:59:16.560 --> 00:59:21.710 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so let's wait on that, since what we're doing right now is is more immediate. 580 00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:25.570 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So the next one you had on here was the skill center. 581 00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:39.440 Isabelle Duvivier: It looks like you're just marching over to the dog 582 00:59:39.450 --> 00:59:48.710 Isabelle Duvivier: forging ahead with the sycamore is because she's got a lot on our agenda, and I didn't know where to go next. So anyways we have her mission to plant Sycamore here. 583 00:59:50.180 --> 01:00:10.719 Isabelle Duvivier: I was trying to get Leon to agree to let us plant some other kind of riparian, since this is a very wet area. He he said he talked to his boss. He never got back to me so we could just throw in the tail and plant 3 sycamore here we could also, instead of planting the island oaks up here. 584 01:00:10.730 --> 01:00:12.859 Isabelle Duvivier: we could plant. 585 01:00:12.950 --> 01:00:31.699 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I'm sure he'd be fine with us, planting coast live oaks up here in the there's 2 empty tree wells there you're talking about behind the the parking lot like on the other side. Yeah, yeah, that that one's a little challenging. You know what you could do. Why, don't you? Why do you go to the map 586 01:00:31.740 --> 01:00:33.959 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: rather than the 587 01:00:35.050 --> 01:00:36.529 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the street view? 588 01:00:36.630 --> 01:00:37.880 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, there you go. 589 01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:40.749 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then you can zoom in there, and you can show us 590 01:00:41.110 --> 01:00:46.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: what our 591 01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:48.689 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: on the south side 592 01:00:48.980 --> 01:00:50.470 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: or that it's hilly. 593 01:00:50.560 --> 01:00:52.869 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Look, you could see the dogs so funny. 594 01:00:52.900 --> 01:00:54.829 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And then where? Where would you? 595 01:00:54.850 --> 01:00:57.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But you were thinking about the oaks in there? 596 01:00:57.440 --> 01:01:09.519 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, the oaks could go in there, I I mean, we I the i'm just thinking i'm not. I'm not saying that I like that idea. And then the sycamores we talked about, maybe putting here. If we didn't want to wait for 597 01:01:09.620 --> 01:01:15.510 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: another species. Okay, so we planted oaks here already. 598 01:01:15.580 --> 01:01:17.229 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: How are those oaks doing? 599 01:01:18.080 --> 01:01:21.140 Isabelle Duvivier: We just planted one in the street? They're fine. 600 01:01:21.580 --> 01:01:27.429 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No, there was right here in in. I can. I don't know if I can do it. I can't. But 601 01:01:28.360 --> 01:01:38.079 Noel Johnston: we planted an oak tree that was on that hill 602 01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:49.010 Noel Johnston: removed by the the recreation of Parks department, for reasons that I don't quite get. But whatever and it's doing fine. 603 01:01:49.200 --> 01:01:50.149 Barry Campion: yeah, right? 604 01:01:50.420 --> 01:02:00.359 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Right. I just the reason Why I wanted to ask is because I wanted to find out like on the on a use level. Does that? Does it work to plant these trees? I mean. Obviously, people bring their 605 01:02:00.500 --> 01:02:18.519 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: dogs inside the dog park. They throw the ball inside the dog park hopefully, and most of this lawn area that's outside of the actual dog enclosure Looks like it's unmolested. But I don't know you know it's 606 01:02:18.870 --> 01:02:22.069 jim murez: all of the the pine trees along Pacific 607 01:02:22.160 --> 01:02:24.839 jim murez: and all of the ficest trees along Main 608 01:02:24.950 --> 01:02:30.569 jim murez: We're all planted, and along the side of the hill we had a flowering tree. I don't remember which one it was. 609 01:02:30.590 --> 01:02:37.900 jim murez: I don't believe it was this Bethodia, but I could look back in the old records we did plant. I think, about 10 trees in the park. 610 01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:45.470 Barry Campion: There's a cassia in there. Yeah, right about where the cursor is. Yeah. 611 01:02:45.510 --> 01:02:48.180 jim murez: I don't see the cursor wiggle the cursor. 612 01:02:49.320 --> 01:03:00.240 jim murez: Not not not not not not not not not not not within, not within the the fence, not within. We didn't plant any within the 613 01:03:00.290 --> 01:03:10.159 jim murez: because they had just built the dog Park at that point, and so we were just planting in the grassy years. It was on the grassy side on the south side of the part that there on the hill there. 614 01:03:10.240 --> 01:03:14.310 jim murez: so, and all those pine trees are along Pacific. We planted. 615 01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:17.459 Isabelle Duvivier: We got 616 01:03:17.490 --> 01:03:20.599 jim murez: Macrophilia that are there. We're already there. 617 01:03:20.670 --> 01:03:22.339 No, Well, go ahead. 618 01:03:22.630 --> 01:03:34.399 Noel Johnston: I I want to ask is about quickly about the the 1 3 P. That's out in front of the building that's to the east of the building itself. Do we have plans for that trip. It? 619 01:03:34.870 --> 01:03:35.839 Isabelle Duvivier: No. 620 01:03:36.200 --> 01:03:37.009 Noel Johnston: no! 621 01:03:38.050 --> 01:03:42.040 Noel Johnston: Oh, we should have plans for that. Are you talking about here? 622 01:03:43.420 --> 01:03:44.609 Isabelle Duvivier: We're here. 623 01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:56.629 Noel Johnston: Are you talking about between the parked cars? There's a tree pit out in to the east of the of the center. The building itself 624 01:03:56.860 --> 01:04:04.869 Noel Johnston: that we have for a tree has been taken out. Yeah, that. Yes, where the cursor is. 625 01:04:04.970 --> 01:04:08.729 Noel Johnston: We did. Okay, I didn't. I'm sorry. What do we think? There? 626 01:04:08.790 --> 01:04:13.269 Isabelle Duvivier: Well, originally we got permission upon island oaks? Right? 627 01:04:13.330 --> 01:04:28.009 Noel Johnston: We don't have them. Now we're trying to figure out where to plant the trees we have before. We I understand that. But is that one of the oaks that we have that you would consider planting in there. 628 01:04:28.040 --> 01:04:31.940 Noel Johnston: We're still unclear about what to put in there. 629 01:04:32.630 --> 01:04:41.810 Isabelle Duvivier: Well, no, I still want to plan an island. That's what we got permission to put in there, just like we got permission to put 3 Tory pines right here. 630 01:04:42.290 --> 01:04:43.300 Isabelle Duvivier: but we 631 01:04:43.460 --> 01:04:50.039 Isabelle Duvivier: we we're trying to move the trees we have before we plant more trees. 632 01:04:50.230 --> 01:05:01.719 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So at this moment we're thinking about sycamores in the more riparian area which is to the south and down the hill. Correct the the West Moreland thing. 633 01:05:01.890 --> 01:05:10.810 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Michael, go ahead. And then, yeah, Well, that's what I was. Just say, Lenore's hands been up for 5 min if you could call on her first. But then I do have a comment. 634 01:05:10.820 --> 01:05:23.389 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, i'm sorry. I'm Sorry, Leonora. I don't know why the hand. Order is not obvious to me. Not a problem. My son and his partner want a 635 01:05:23.730 --> 01:05:30.180 lenore: some trees, and on pen more very close to Lake. 636 01:05:32.690 --> 01:05:35.439 lenore: If if there are any trees available. 637 01:05:36.080 --> 01:05:38.069 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so hold on, let me. Just 638 01:05:38.580 --> 01:05:44.360 lenore: that's a little tricky. Those parkways are very, very narrow. They are narrow. Yes, they are. 639 01:05:44.510 --> 01:05:48.580 Barry Campion: and and one side has power lines. 640 01:05:49.520 --> 01:06:00.060 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: The west side, I believe maybe both sides of the tower will have to check. Or would you repeat the the location to me 641 01:06:00.600 --> 01:06:02.489 lenore: is the street. 642 01:06:02.510 --> 01:06:05.739 lenore: and it's close to the corner of Lake 643 01:06:08.450 --> 01:06:13.650 jim murez: Isabel. What is? What is the current requirement for Cassius? Do you know? Is it? 18 Inch Parkway? 644 01:06:14.130 --> 01:06:20.350 Isabelle Duvivier: No, you can't put anything in 18 inch anymore. The narrowest is 3 feet. 645 01:06:20.650 --> 01:06:24.879 Isabelle Duvivier: Cassius. I think they require 5 or 6. 646 01:06:24.960 --> 01:06:29.359 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, yeah, they've gotten worse and worse, and it's just 647 01:06:30.510 --> 01:06:35.310 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: because of the Ada settlement 648 01:06:35.700 --> 01:06:37.889 Isabelle Duvivier: bottle brush will put in 3 foot 649 01:06:38.260 --> 01:06:39.209 Isabelle Duvivier: only. 650 01:06:40.320 --> 01:06:41.839 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So 651 01:06:41.870 --> 01:06:44.709 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: thank you, Lenore. Do you have anything else that you'd like to add. 652 01:06:44.950 --> 01:07:03.319 Michael McGuffin: You know that at this time. Thank you. Okay, thanks, Michael. Go ahead. Yeah. I just had a question for Jim Jim, I think here's what I heard that planting at the Dog Park in the early nineties, and the pines and Fikus were already there. The pines and Fikus are still there. 653 01:07:03.340 --> 01:07:21.940 jim murez: What about the trees that you planted in the early nineties? Did they survive, Are they there now? We're looking most of the the pines along the Pacific side I planted. I think there was one or 2 there, and I think there's now like 8 or so there, and They're all still there, and they're all doing great. The fines the pines have 654 01:07:21.950 --> 01:07:23.739 jim murez: definitely done well. 655 01:07:25.070 --> 01:07:33.980 jim murez: There was a flowering tree that we planted along it. The what in the picture that's showing there now, it would be along the Westminster Avenue side on the hill. 656 01:07:34.290 --> 01:07:36.450 jim murez: and they were all flowering trees. 657 01:07:36.530 --> 01:07:41.630 jim murez: and and I don't think any of them survive. They did okay for several years, but 658 01:07:41.730 --> 01:07:51.700 jim murez: you know the unless it's a fast growing tree. That park is brutal, and that was like, that's that's always been the issue. 659 01:07:51.820 --> 01:08:00.080 jim murez: The people walking down the side of the slope grab the tree trunk that maybe there's still one there. I just saw a tree there that looked like it. 660 01:08:00.160 --> 01:08:03.490 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, this is from 2,011. 661 01:08:03.540 --> 01:08:07.209 jim murez: So yeah, there may be one of those flowering trees was still there. 662 01:08:07.730 --> 01:08:09.119 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Can you pull forward? 663 01:08:09.850 --> 01:08:16.489 jim murez: Okay, right right there. Sort of like next just to the right of that telephone call? 664 01:08:16.790 --> 01:08:29.220 jim murez: Yeah, what is that? That was one of the trees that we planted, and there was about 6 of those, I think, at the time, and really they were really quite nice. There it is. 665 01:08:29.779 --> 01:08:32.750 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: What is it? An ornamental pair? What is it? 666 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:52.079 jim murez: Whatever it was I think it used to have like a pink flower. I can go back in my records. I mean, I have a big box full of Beach Street in each park with planning. Is that still there now? No 11, No. And I think what's happens is, you know, as people are playing or doing whatever they're doing. They jump on the tree and they pull it over. They break off a branch 667 01:08:52.090 --> 01:09:02.909 jim murez: that park is, I mean i'm serious. It's extremely brutal the anything that's so far that i'm, and in this is 30 years worth anything that was planted on the interior of the fence. Hasn't survived. 668 01:09:02.930 --> 01:09:22.770 jim murez: People have put up all sorts of netting around at the netting, gets torn down by the dogs or the dog owners, because they have to get in to pick up the ball or whatever it is, and then the stuff doesn't get put back up correctly, and you know it's just going. So unless you can figure out a way of putting in trees, you're going to grow really strong, really, quickly, which the pine trees happen to do. 669 01:09:22.939 --> 01:09:30.419 Isabelle Duvivier: They seem to be able to put trees inside the dog park. 670 01:09:30.710 --> 01:09:35.289 jim murez: Yeah. But they maintain their their, their, their their surroundings. 671 01:09:36.240 --> 01:09:47.390 Isabelle Duvivier: and they put like fence benching and stuff around it, so that it's a little harder like there's You're the figure that it's going to take 10 years to establish a tree that the dogs aren't going to destroy. 672 01:09:47.529 --> 01:09:48.260 Hmm. 673 01:09:49.520 --> 01:09:52.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? Well, it's useful history. I mean. 674 01:09:52.520 --> 01:10:10.790 jim murez: we probably shouldn't plant the things that didn't survive 30 years. We we! What we wish we were looking at is 30 year old trees. So that's really good. Intel that help us figure out what to plant now on Main Street. By the way, those trees were just cut down by the city, for no reason whatsoever. 675 01:10:11.220 --> 01:10:12.300 Isabelle Duvivier: Which one 676 01:10:12.320 --> 01:10:14.160 jim murez: the the Fikus that we're there 677 01:10:15.170 --> 01:10:20.499 jim murez: on on Main Street, in front of the park. 678 01:10:20.540 --> 01:10:27.519 jim murez: I believe there are 3 trees that that the city went in and removed here on the left. 679 01:10:27.590 --> 01:10:42.530 jim murez: that they went in to read. Those tree walls are still there, or they've been asked fault it over, but they did it. Yeah, there's one right there. They did that, and at a time when they were putting in the so all along the outside of the fence right there, there's a a a water capture system 680 01:10:42.620 --> 01:10:43.740 jim murez: underground. 681 01:10:43.810 --> 01:10:54.369 jim murez: and it goes to a a cistern all the way on the other end. On the what would be in this photo would be the left end of the part, and when they were doing all of that, they came in, and they just clear cut those trees. 682 01:10:55.090 --> 01:11:06.930 jim murez: They do that all the time it's, and the ones in front of the metro that are missing in front of the 100 sunset parcel. Those were actually those were actually destroyed by the buses. 683 01:11:07.070 --> 01:11:18.750 jim murez: Oh, really, okay. I have a photograph of the buses being parked on top of what it went out the side of the fence, and it was hanging out onto the sidewalk on top of the tree. 684 01:11:19.670 --> 01:11:32.570 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So where are you? Where are you going now? I don't know we're just wandering around. Tell me where you want me to go. Okay, so let's stop watering around. So we talked about. So Venice Skill Center. 685 01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:41.079 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We do have plans to to. This is going to come up. We've got to move to dates here soon, because we're already past locations. 686 01:11:41.130 --> 01:11:45.979 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You had Venezuela Center on here. We talked about the Venice Boulevard Median 687 01:11:46.200 --> 01:11:52.139 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we talked about. Now, what about the few spots that are still left at the farmers market? 688 01:11:52.310 --> 01:12:09.399 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There's only one spot left. Okay. And then on Victoria, where the other oaks are planted east of Abbott Kenny. I meant I met Bokatzio. I talked about that. Okay, so we looked at Bakasho and then 689 01:12:09.410 --> 01:12:16.770 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: ab it Kenny, southeast of Venice, between the sycamore. So we basically already talked about that. Oh, no, no, we haven't 690 01:12:16.860 --> 01:12:32.940 Isabelle Duvivier: no on, added Kenny. Jim. Probably also planted all those beautiful sycamores that are doing okay, like in half the locations and not okay in half. You're talking about between Venice and Washington. Correct. 691 01:12:32.950 --> 01:12:40.889 jim murez: Yeah, no, we never planted sycamores there. We didn't do any plantings on. 692 01:12:41.300 --> 01:12:45.740 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. So they look. The ones that are doing great. Look great. 693 01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:47.639 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: They look amazing, and they're tall. 694 01:12:47.780 --> 01:13:00.639 Isabelle Duvivier: But I think we should move on to our schedule, because I see everybody getting and see. Let's move on to the schedule. I mean? Do we want to make a decision now, or do we want to just internally discuss it later? 695 01:13:01.060 --> 01:13:12.549 Isabelle Duvivier: Does anyone want to? Oh, Robin's raising your hand? I wonder if anybody wants to nominate our next location for possible planting, and then we can discuss it internally. 696 01:13:14.530 --> 01:13:16.580 Isabelle Duvivier: But Robin's hands is raised. 697 01:13:16.620 --> 01:13:19.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Robert, I can't see, Robin, I don't know why 698 01:13:20.220 --> 01:13:28.429 Isabelle Duvivier: I'm gonna stop sharing for right now, so I can now see. So does Has anyone brought Eric to the panel? 699 01:13:28.620 --> 01:13:31.809 Isabelle Duvivier: Let me do that right now. I just did it. 700 01:13:31.870 --> 01:13:36.619 Isabelle Duvivier: Hi! Eric and i'll go ahead and promote you, too. 701 01:13:36.770 --> 01:13:37.510 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hi. 702 01:13:37.530 --> 01:13:38.490 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yes. 703 01:13:38.970 --> 01:13:42.449 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: she's already a panelist. 704 01:13:43.060 --> 01:13:48.909 robin murez: Hi! I'm Sorry I came in late, but i'm wondering. Have you already talked about Lincoln Boulevard 705 01:13:49.050 --> 01:13:51.169 robin murez: like in front of the hardware store 706 01:13:51.340 --> 01:14:02.150 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we Haven't talked about Lincoln Boulevard which is, I would love to see more trees go in Long Lincoln, but I think that's a huge impact. Yeah, Lincoln Lincoln Boulevard is my 707 01:14:02.430 --> 01:14:05.539 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: my PET project, Robin, and I would love to 708 01:14:05.770 --> 01:14:21.529 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: have a partner in it, I think, actually like a boulevard is going to require a big grant in order to really hit it on the head, because whenever we plant a single tree or a few trees they get so 709 01:14:21.570 --> 01:14:24.920 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: brutalized that they they never really recover. 710 01:14:25.010 --> 01:14:31.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and we do have a bunch of trees that are not doing well because they've been so poorly trimmed by the business owners. 711 01:14:31.530 --> 01:14:36.040 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So, unfortunately, we didn't agendize that for today. So I think we're gonna 712 01:14:36.100 --> 01:14:46.819 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: forge forward with what we're gonna dates of planting and dates of work that we're going to be doing, going forward because we need to get down to that before people get to board and wander off. 713 01:14:46.830 --> 01:15:00.850 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But I will email you because I think that that is an absolutely essential thing that we need to have happen on on benefit. I would like to see. Ben is full of our, I mean sorry Lincoln Boulevard be as beautiful as Venice. That's where I'd like to go. 714 01:15:01.180 --> 01:15:03.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So 715 01:15:03.330 --> 01:15:19.130 Michael McGuffin: now i'm going to share with you guys accepting Isabelle's challenge of all the ideas we just heard. If we want to just make a decision on something, let's replace the oaks in the Venice Boulevard medium 716 01:15:19.440 --> 01:15:37.400 Michael McGuffin: west of Lincoln. Any of the oaks that were originally on that plan and are gone. We heard Jim say, that's kind of a no brainer. We can put those back, and I think there were what 3 or 4 or 5 locations there. So just as a starting point. And again, cause Isabel said. 717 01:15:37.610 --> 01:15:40.629 Michael McGuffin: somebody want to suggest something. There's my suggestion. 718 01:15:41.490 --> 01:15:44.490 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I would I would second that 719 01:15:44.790 --> 01:15:59.709 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: great. I was gonna second that. I do think that Barry's warning about the soil is still relevant. So when we do that we need to make sure that we're gonna find a place to dump Mulch, and we're gonna be volunteered up 720 01:15:59.740 --> 01:16:01.849 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So then we can move that mulch 721 01:16:01.950 --> 01:16:06.770 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: all to, you know. Get us a 6 inch mulch bed. 722 01:16:07.000 --> 01:16:16.179 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know about the moving of the soil. That which Barry has warned us about, so I think it's. Still, it's still an open discussion. 723 01:16:16.300 --> 01:16:18.800 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think probably we need to have a walk. 724 01:16:19.180 --> 01:16:23.360 Barry Campion: Yeah, I was gonna say it might be good to do like a little test hole. 725 01:16:23.450 --> 01:16:31.320 Barry Campion: Just dig a hole and just see what what it looks like in there, and you know it might be good before we get to 726 01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:33.540 Barry Campion: worked up. Yeah, okay. 727 01:16:33.580 --> 01:16:36.619 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that's a great idea. 728 01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:46.300 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So what i'd like to do is discuss schedule. 729 01:16:46.370 --> 01:16:49.800 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And I did have a preliminary conversation. 730 01:16:50.980 --> 01:16:54.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So i'm going to share my screen. 731 01:16:54.760 --> 01:16:57.309 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I hope you guys are all going to be able to see it. 732 01:17:03.440 --> 01:17:04.519 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Can you see it? 733 01:17:05.890 --> 01:17:09.780 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so can you see number 2, everybody. 734 01:17:09.940 --> 01:17:13.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I might zoom in here a little bit. So you 735 01:17:13.270 --> 01:17:18.760 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: zoom. But yes, that's good. Okay. So we've got our trees. 736 01:17:19.060 --> 01:17:20.260 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and 737 01:17:20.490 --> 01:17:27.780 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we were thinking about starting on the 20 first. Not this week, but it's next week, and I think that 738 01:17:28.010 --> 01:17:31.669 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: starting in Venice on the 20 first might be too soon. 739 01:17:32.060 --> 01:17:39.440 Barry Campion: I I I agree. If we're going to get more rain, the ground is really saturated, and then it'll just be more saturated. So 740 01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:54.709 Barry Campion: so do you think we should not plant any trees until yeah. I I just think it's a real issue with the texture. The soil. When you're digging in, we have heavy clay soil. Mostly it's very difficult to work. It's very difficult to break it up, and when you 741 01:17:55.040 --> 01:17:57.470 Barry Campion: plant you kind of destroy 742 01:17:57.910 --> 01:18:00.960 Barry Campion: you further destroy the texture because you're kind of 743 01:18:01.030 --> 01:18:02.089 Barry Campion: you're kind of re. 744 01:18:02.170 --> 01:18:06.380 Barry Campion: You end up kind of compacting it and driving all the air out of the soil. So. 745 01:18:06.650 --> 01:18:17.139 Barry Campion: at least from my training it it's just not recommended until the soil dries out a bit. Okay? Well, can I throw something in out there? 746 01:18:17.660 --> 01:18:24.779 jim murez: I would suggest, since you want to mulch the trees on the Median 747 01:18:25.120 --> 01:18:28.479 jim murez: to do it in a sort of a two-phase approach 748 01:18:28.580 --> 01:18:35.319 jim murez: and and by that what I mean is, you know, when I was trying to get trees to be mulched correctly. 749 01:18:35.440 --> 01:18:37.870 jim murez: we would build a berm first. 750 01:18:38.190 --> 01:18:40.769 jim murez: and then we would mulch inside the firm. 751 01:18:41.050 --> 01:18:44.519 jim murez: and that would also direct whatever watering was being done 752 01:18:44.610 --> 01:19:04.259 jim murez: back into the the root ball of the of of the You know the the root system, rather than sort of running out to the sides when the when the ground is as we as it is right now, if it has 2 or 3 days of drying out through a rain. It would be a great time to go out and just build the burns. 753 01:19:04.310 --> 01:19:11.190 jim murez: and maybe spend one whole Saturday doing nothing but going from tree to tree, creating a berm around each tree. 754 01:19:11.420 --> 01:19:14.469 jim murez: and then in a following week come back 755 01:19:14.530 --> 01:19:21.309 jim murez: and back. Fill those firms with mulch, and and let that fill up sort of the 756 01:19:21.350 --> 01:19:22.930 jim murez: the area there, and then 757 01:19:22.990 --> 01:19:24.610 jim murez: let the water start to 758 01:19:24.800 --> 01:19:26.189 jim murez: penetrate through the 759 01:19:26.610 --> 01:19:31.970 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the the mulch. Anyway, that's my my suggestion. Okay, thank you, Jim. 760 01:19:32.150 --> 01:19:39.120 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There is another job, Michael. I think that you are interested in doing, and that is 761 01:19:39.190 --> 01:19:43.540 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the planting near the Venice Skills center. 762 01:19:43.730 --> 01:19:44.380 Michael McGuffin: Yeah. 763 01:19:44.450 --> 01:19:50.940 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So we could do that the 20 first, in the sense that we're going to. We have some weeds that we have to get rid of there. 764 01:19:51.100 --> 01:19:56.190 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and we were going to cardboard and mulch over the cardboard. Isn't that correct? 765 01:19:56.320 --> 01:19:57.820 Michael McGuffin: That's the idea. Yeah. 766 01:19:58.130 --> 01:20:03.549 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And then we don't have those Ironwood calendar ironwood trees yet. 767 01:20:03.730 --> 01:20:06.460 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But do you think we would be able to acquire them by that day? 768 01:20:08.510 --> 01:20:09.950 Michael McGuffin: By what date? 769 01:20:10.270 --> 01:20:13.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: The 20 first of January? So that's 770 01:20:13.290 --> 01:20:16.070 Michael McGuffin: 9 days away. 771 01:20:16.620 --> 01:20:35.740 Michael McGuffin: I I can try to do that. You know we worked with Russ to get those quotes, and I can call him and see if he can purchase those for us. Now, Isabel, you said that you now have an account with Fk. But at the same time we try to avoid making Isabel our kind of 772 01:20:35.890 --> 01:20:52.019 Michael McGuffin: task completed. Of all tasks. So if you want me to, i'll just call Russ and get him to order those 4 ironwoods. But I go back to the on the 20 first. It's still going to be too wet to dig a whole big enough to put in a 15 gallon 773 01:20:52.180 --> 01:20:57.820 Barry Campion: ironwood right? Get Barry. That's your 774 01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:04.359 Barry Campion: the best thing is just, you know, on the 20 first or near it. Just go out and dig a hole and see what it feels like. But 775 01:21:04.520 --> 01:21:09.010 Barry Campion: but I would say, given the amount of rain we've had, and there's more coming. 776 01:21:09.140 --> 01:21:21.889 Barry Campion: I think we have a couple, you know we we have some time to really let things dry out of it. 777 01:21:22.050 --> 01:21:25.080 Michael McGuffin: you know, because I know we've talked about My 778 01:21:25.250 --> 01:21:39.860 Michael McGuffin: My approach is, you get a shovel under. It varies as you put cardboard over it, and I what I've tried to communicate is it's the combination of those things. If you just put cardboard over it, it'll die in 6 years, if you. 779 01:21:39.870 --> 01:21:49.990 Michael McGuffin: if if you dig it up a little bit first, you're gonna make a huge impact in 6 weeks. That's what my experience has been so I but I think it's not. 780 01:21:50.070 --> 01:22:05.109 Michael McGuffin: It won't be too wet to go out there, and and just kind of surface dig the crab grass. Get out what we can, and then finish that with cardboard and mulch and walk away for 4 weeks. 781 01:22:05.250 --> 01:22:17.159 Barry Campion: Go ahead. I would I would defer to you if you've had that experience I've not had 782 01:22:17.180 --> 01:22:21.919 Barry Campion: personally huge experience with the whole cardboard mulch thing. I just have 783 01:22:22.300 --> 01:22:39.439 Michael McGuffin: no it's sort of the way to do it, but it takes a long time. This is, and it it works way better if you first get the weeds out right. But what about the fact that if we put cardboard and mulch on the soil that we're not really allowing the soil to dry out 784 01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:46.250 Barry Campion: well, the the other thing to do is we could do as Michael suggest, sort of do a rough. 785 01:22:46.400 --> 01:22:55.869 Barry Campion: and then plant what we want. You can. You can do the cardboard and most treatment around the new plan as well. So it's not an all or nothing. 786 01:22:55.950 --> 01:23:03.069 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So I was. I was Noel. Do you want to say something first, and then i'll make a 787 01:23:03.450 --> 01:23:06.389 Noel Johnston: I think I would like to see us. Yeah. 788 01:23:06.660 --> 01:23:24.009 Noel Johnston: and I'm. I'm. Taking Berries comments into into consideration here. I realized that this isn't something we can do, probably in the next 2 weeks safely. But I would really like to have plans for all of our our our trees. I would not like those those trees to languish 789 01:23:24.030 --> 01:23:30.829 Noel Johnston: unplanned. I I would really love, and maybe we can do it tomorrow morning while we're reading. 790 01:23:31.010 --> 01:23:43.459 Noel Johnston: to come up with a a real planning schedule for the trees that we've that we've got, and that's what we're doing right now. That's what we're doing right now. Well, I didn't think we were talking about putting them in at Skill Center. 791 01:23:43.730 --> 01:23:44.530 Noel Johnston: are we? 792 01:23:44.860 --> 01:23:50.860 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No. The reason why I skipped to Skill Center is because Barry, just let us know that we cannot plant. 793 01:23:51.220 --> 01:23:55.760 Noel Johnston: but I I I realize that i'm just. I'm just saying I would like to come up 794 01:23:55.770 --> 01:24:15.069 Noel Johnston: I i'm bearing bearing with Barry bearing berry in mine. I really would like to come up with a real schedule for 1818 trees. That's what we're doing right this instant. Was it? Okay? I have to, Sarah, so I will. Thanks. It was a great meeting. 795 01:24:15.290 --> 01:24:17.139 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, thank you, if you will. 796 01:24:17.630 --> 01:24:23.450 Isabelle Duvivier: There are some oak trees to be planted at Venice Skills center. So that would be 797 01:24:23.680 --> 01:24:32.719 Isabelle Duvivier: mixing those 2 conversations. 798 01:24:33.330 --> 01:24:36.960 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, so, and maybe on sunset 799 01:24:37.240 --> 01:24:39.079 Michael McGuffin: that's also a wide medium. 800 01:24:39.610 --> 01:24:46.140 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So why don't we leave the twenty-first as a time to dig a hole. See how the soil is looking 801 01:24:46.360 --> 01:24:49.790 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: if we think it's still really too heavy to plant. 802 01:24:49.890 --> 01:24:50.750 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: then 803 01:24:50.780 --> 01:25:01.740 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we won't, but we will deal with the weeds, and we'll put down some call cardboard and well cardboard and mulch, and then, if we're if we finish with that task. 804 01:25:01.900 --> 01:25:13.410 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: then we could move over to gold Where? And I I wanted to bring this up with all of you. I'm feeling that the oak trees that are next to goals. Actually, next to the Goals Building 805 01:25:13.670 --> 01:25:16.119 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: need a larger 806 01:25:16.270 --> 01:25:18.769 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: margin around them. 807 01:25:18.850 --> 01:25:23.369 Barry Campion: Barry, I think I chat with you about this. Yeah, we did. We we also 808 01:25:23.520 --> 01:25:35.130 Barry Campion: had the idea of maybe even approaching goals about just getting rid of the grass and the whole parkway and kind of mimicking the the sort of feeling we have across the street. 809 01:25:35.310 --> 01:25:36.320 Barry Campion: But I 810 01:25:36.980 --> 01:25:40.469 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So what I was gonna suggest is, instead of 811 01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.810 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: diving into replacing the entire parkway already. 812 01:25:44.900 --> 01:25:55.569 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: was just putting a square around each of those you know d d weeding or de-grassing us a pretty sizable square, maybe 813 01:25:55.640 --> 01:26:00.269 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: 48, by whatever the width of the part way, is. 814 01:26:00.450 --> 01:26:04.329 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then and preparing it the same way that we would be preparing 815 01:26:04.360 --> 01:26:09.529 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the best skill set center area by weeding a little bit 816 01:26:09.570 --> 01:26:20.160 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then putting down some cardboard, and putting down some mulch, which would would mean that we have to prepare for the twenty-first with quite a bit of mulch like maybe borrow a truck 817 01:26:20.180 --> 01:26:21.699 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: or 818 01:26:21.980 --> 01:26:22.999 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: get it down. 819 01:26:23.040 --> 01:26:25.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then we have to find a place where to dump 820 01:26:34.820 --> 01:26:36.990 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: anybody. Have question, Jim. Go ahead. 821 01:26:38.060 --> 01:26:39.889 jim murez: I'm just curious. 822 01:26:40.110 --> 01:26:43.349 jim murez: What is the issue about the weeds on the ground, I mean. 823 01:26:43.380 --> 01:26:46.429 jim murez: I always thought that the tree would long 824 01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:48.490 jim murez: past survive 825 01:26:48.590 --> 01:26:51.420 jim murez: any kind of crab grass growing on the surface. 826 01:26:53.180 --> 01:26:57.379 jim murez: so I guess i'm not. Why, Why, Why, you can't plant the tree 827 01:26:57.410 --> 01:26:59.690 jim murez: if the ground is trying up to plant it 828 01:26:59.920 --> 01:27:04.280 jim murez: and and not really worry so much about clearing the crab grass ahead of time 829 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:08.370 jim murez: to me. I I mean, I don't think the crowd is gonna kill the tree. 830 01:27:08.560 --> 01:27:12.639 jim murez: It, you know it may be harder to get it out because it's existing. 831 01:27:12.900 --> 01:27:13.500 but 832 01:27:13.770 --> 01:27:16.849 jim murez: I don't think it's going to devastate the the 833 01:27:17.040 --> 01:27:20.410 Barry Campion: well. I a young tree. 834 01:27:20.540 --> 01:27:35.030 Barry Campion: if it has Bermuda grass, community, grass, crab grass. They actually can do damage to the root. The young root crown of a tree so it can. It won't probably kill it, but it'll slow it down and impact it negatively. 835 01:27:35.090 --> 01:27:54.249 Barry Campion: Once the tree is of a certain size that matters less, but even then it it also kind of smothers the roots from air and light. And so it it does have. It does have an impact. All those grasses take a tremendous amount of moisture out of the soil. 836 01:27:54.260 --> 01:27:58.739 Michael McGuffin: prioritize the soil or the moisture going to the Tree Road. So 837 01:27:58.780 --> 01:28:06.049 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: once they're established. You're right, you know who care. I mean it's. Then it's just a aesthetic thing. 838 01:28:07.130 --> 01:28:23.769 Michael McGuffin: Okay, to the Fourth Street at Skill Center. What we' what we want to do is transform that parkway into all intentional plants, all Southern California intentional, seeing o this and 839 01:28:23.780 --> 01:28:29.869 Michael McGuffin: buckwheats, and so that's why we want to get the crab grass that we want to replace the crab grass with Socal natives. 840 01:28:31.900 --> 01:28:33.439 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So 841 01:28:33.650 --> 01:28:52.600 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I also don't. We have a a grant from a a neighbor as well, Michael, and we need a $1,000 grant from a neighbor. Yeah, we want to show him that we appreciate his and his participation by getting on top of it. 842 01:28:52.640 --> 01:29:09.520 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think we should also let him know that we are gonna we're moving ahead, and that, and maybe communicate to him the different steps that we're going to be going through because that way when he walks by he'll kind of understand, you know. So that would be great. Do you have an email for him, Michael? And could you communicate with him. 843 01:29:09.530 --> 01:29:16.459 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So then, Venice skills, and then, if we have time we can go to gold. I will approach goals in the meantime to find out. 844 01:29:17.100 --> 01:29:18.040 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know. 845 01:29:18.140 --> 01:29:26.459 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: whether or not they actually want to contribute, because we could use money from them to buy under plantings that would, you know. 846 01:29:26.500 --> 01:29:38.259 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: be more similar to the to the spot across the way, and we might want to ask them for a parking spot in their parking lot. Is that their parking lot. Do they own that parking lot as you would now? 847 01:29:40.200 --> 01:29:44.359 Isabelle Duvivier: They they they lease the parking lot. 848 01:29:44.840 --> 01:30:00.730 jim murez: The parking lot that's on Hampton is owned by the same property owner that owns the building where golds rent the property owner that is, on sunset and main or sunset in Hampton 849 01:30:00.950 --> 01:30:04.999 jim murez: is is Juropoulos, and No, it's a separate owner, and he leases it to him. 850 01:30:05.060 --> 01:30:08.069 jim murez: By the way, it's not a primitive parking lot. 851 01:30:11.350 --> 01:30:19.090 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Good to know. Okay. So moving on for the January last January 20 first, so the January 20, eighth. 852 01:30:19.150 --> 01:30:22.519 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Maybe we should do this similar preparation 853 01:30:22.620 --> 01:30:30.730 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: for to work with spy on the Venice full of our location. Assuming that we decide we're going to do that. 854 01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:38.070 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: How does does anybody have an opinion about that? 855 01:30:38.540 --> 01:30:46.669 jim murez: Yes, by it is actually I I just wore. You make sure you have all of the proper insurance papers 856 01:30:46.740 --> 01:30:47.670 prepared. 857 01:30:48.450 --> 01:30:49.240 Okay. 858 01:30:49.560 --> 01:30:53.870 jim murez: And you when you're working in the media, it's much different than working in the parkway. 859 01:30:54.390 --> 01:30:59.580 jim murez: and and if you're doing it by the city's rules you have to. Everybody has to wear an orange. Your best. 860 01:30:59.990 --> 01:31:03.110 jim murez: The supervisors have to be watching the kids. 861 01:31:04.400 --> 01:31:06.809 jim murez: It it it's a more involved project 862 01:31:06.930 --> 01:31:08.030 jim murez: to do it correct. 863 01:31:08.280 --> 01:31:12.259 jim murez: And then you don't want to get in trouble and have some kids step out into the street 864 01:31:12.370 --> 01:31:15.089 jim murez: Oops. I didn't realize there was an oncoming car. 865 01:31:15.110 --> 01:31:15.830 right? 866 01:31:16.040 --> 01:31:20.269 jim murez: Because you you got to be really careful about just stepping off because I want to pick up that 867 01:31:20.520 --> 01:31:28.019 jim murez: pile of dirt that happened to spill over that kind of thing. He always has to be spotting, and somebody else does those doing the work, and 868 01:31:28.280 --> 01:31:30.859 jim murez: it gets. If you're doing it correctly 869 01:31:31.580 --> 01:31:36.520 jim murez: per city rules, you should a 1,000 feet back be putting up, but we're closing that line 870 01:31:36.710 --> 01:31:39.239 jim murez: and and taking the link next to where they're working. 871 01:31:40.600 --> 01:31:51.360 jim murez: You know it. It it's serious. And what especially important, when you're bringing kids in that are just not thinking about that kind of thing. 872 01:31:51.710 --> 01:31:58.280 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel. Do you know whether or not they were planning on actually using the kids, or was it adult volunteers? 873 01:31:58.730 --> 01:31:59.770 Isabelle Duvivier: I don't know. 874 01:31:59.890 --> 01:32:03.959 jim murez: Okay? Well, why is you? Is youth at risk, Isn't: it? 875 01:32:04.700 --> 01:32:21.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It is yeah, they have adults to that work. There. They are adults. Also that that work there, and something to research, and and i'm sure you can get that kind of insurance fairly easily. They may even be able to give you a an additionally ensured 876 01:32:21.020 --> 01:32:36.339 jim murez: policy. Those they already have insurance for the kids. It's just something to think about, and you know, and orange ves are cheap. I'm sure that you know we can come up with money for Orange best, but it it's something to to definitely take into consideration. If you're going to do a kids one thing. 877 01:32:36.470 --> 01:32:48.310 jim murez: and you know, if you want to do it as a promo item, we could reach out to the Vnc. And get them to print Vnc. On it, and every time you go out planting you could have 30 best that i'll send Bmc. On. 878 01:32:49.490 --> 01:32:50.510 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. 879 01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:59.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we do have some best. They will purchase the best for okay. So moving on 880 01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:00.700 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that 881 01:33:00.740 --> 01:33:03.370 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: back 28, I mean, that's 882 01:33:03.660 --> 01:33:06.510 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: do. We want to determine. That that's what we're going to do. 883 01:33:07.030 --> 01:33:10.749 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: or do we think that that's too soon? In order to get all this organized? 884 01:33:12.090 --> 01:33:25.920 Isabelle Duvivier: I think that we're spending way too much time on Vvg. Business, and we should probably try to. We only have 20 min. We should get to our business. Okay. So so as you guys can see, there's kind of a 885 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:38.829 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a draft schedule. I'll send that to know well, and she can share it with all the rest of you guys. And then we can go from there. Okay, so moving on to the Coastal Grant ideas. 886 01:33:40.420 --> 01:33:42.900 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There was a pre application attached 887 01:33:43.160 --> 01:33:47.109 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: to the the barb announcement. 888 01:33:47.200 --> 01:33:55.970 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and Isabel put together a pre application for coastal Grant from the State coastal Conservancy, and it looks really good. 889 01:33:56.040 --> 01:33:58.759 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know if anybody else had a chance to read it. I did read it. 890 01:33:58.810 --> 01:34:01.009 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel. Thank you so much for dropping that up 891 01:34:01.190 --> 01:34:05.689 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: it it. Do you want to go ahead and give us a description and then get people's ideas? 892 01:34:06.410 --> 01:34:10.919 Isabelle Duvivier: Do you have it, Andy, could you? I don't 893 01:34:11.060 --> 01:34:13.090 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I do Hold on, let me just 894 01:34:13.570 --> 01:34:19.149 Isabelle Duvivier: well it. We don't have to spend a lot of time on it. It was just to to 895 01:34:19.170 --> 01:34:22.870 Isabelle Duvivier: get people to think about other ideas they might be interested in. 896 01:34:23.060 --> 01:34:27.519 Isabelle Duvivier: and it's the pre-grant application. So it's really just a one pager. 897 01:34:28.370 --> 01:34:29.400 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: right. 898 01:34:32.210 --> 01:34:33.920 I hope this is the right one. 899 01:34:36.220 --> 01:34:38.029 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No, that's the wrong one. 900 01:34:38.850 --> 01:34:40.359 Okay, hold on. 901 01:34:42.970 --> 01:34:46.329 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I said. I had it immediately available, but, in fact. 902 01:34:47.360 --> 01:34:48.670 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: with several. 903 01:34:54.430 --> 01:34:55.259 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There we go. 904 01:35:00.370 --> 01:35:02.969 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, i'm gonna have to 905 01:35:03.580 --> 01:35:05.199 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: share my screen. 906 01:35:12.490 --> 01:35:15.650 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: How come? I am having a hard time doing this? 907 01:35:16.220 --> 01:35:18.060 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Am I sharing my screen already? 908 01:35:19.400 --> 01:35:21.990 Barry Campion: Well, we're looking at the 909 01:35:22.110 --> 01:35:23.130 Barry Campion: agenda. 910 01:35:23.710 --> 01:35:26.470 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, here we go. I'm: happy. How about this one? 911 01:35:26.650 --> 01:35:29.049 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Can you see a new thing? 912 01:35:29.650 --> 01:35:33.630 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So this is the State coastal conservancy, Grant pre application. 913 01:35:34.280 --> 01:35:36.000 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and 914 01:35:36.630 --> 01:35:39.570 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel has basically described 915 01:35:39.660 --> 01:35:41.379 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a 916 01:35:41.820 --> 01:35:44.260 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a conservancy project where we would 917 01:35:44.500 --> 01:35:51.040 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: make Rose the end of Rose Avenue as it's going into the ocean. And here's a picture. Can you guys see that? 918 01:35:51.200 --> 01:35:51.849 Barry Campion: Yeah. 919 01:35:52.230 --> 01:35:56.639 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: where we would make that into a 920 01:35:58.480 --> 01:36:00.710 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, it's about what you go ahead and describe it. 921 01:36:02.590 --> 01:36:07.330 Just for the first paragraph. I like, I said. Let's not spend a lot of time on it. 922 01:36:07.380 --> 01:36:14.550 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: The project seeks to develop plans and partnerships with agencies, community leaders, and by and a biologist in the creation of a restoration plan 923 01:36:14.640 --> 01:36:19.949 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: of an estuary and one of the last coastal access points for the historic black community of coast to Los Angeles. 924 01:36:20.220 --> 01:36:26.040 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and then she's gone through the rest of this application. But what this will do is it will kick. 925 01:36:26.080 --> 01:36:32.380 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It will kick us into a they'll read it, and then they'll tell us whether or not they think this is a viable 926 01:36:32.480 --> 01:36:33.300 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: plan. 927 01:36:33.730 --> 01:36:39.459 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and apparently there's quite a bit of money available. 928 01:36:39.900 --> 01:36:42.440 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and as you can see here, this is the 929 01:36:42.740 --> 01:36:48.420 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: This is the spot right there where it comes out into the into the beach. 930 01:36:48.540 --> 01:36:51.610 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So if we get 931 01:36:51.770 --> 01:36:56.029 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: some positive feedback from the State coastal conservancy folks. 932 01:36:56.180 --> 01:37:00.129 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Then we can develop a plan that's really what Isabella's 933 01:37:00.230 --> 01:37:13.889 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: applying for is a $100,000 to employ the scientists that are necessary, the engineers that are necessary, and the studies that are necessary to see whether or not this can work, and and what kind of an effect it would have on the neighborhood. 934 01:37:14.450 --> 01:37:17.620 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So does anybody have some comments about this that they'd like to make 935 01:37:23.070 --> 01:37:23.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: no 936 01:37:24.100 --> 01:37:25.489 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: robin go ahead. 937 01:37:26.670 --> 01:37:32.619 robin murez: So are you? What? What's the cross street? You're talking about? Ocean front walk near at? What? 938 01:37:32.790 --> 01:37:33.910 robin murez: What about it? 939 01:37:34.690 --> 01:37:38.509 robin murez: Okay. So let me just make sure you are aware that 940 01:37:38.660 --> 01:37:42.300 robin murez: there is apparently a grant 941 01:37:42.340 --> 01:37:43.309 robin murez: to 942 01:37:43.460 --> 01:37:45.920 robin murez: farther south 943 01:37:46.540 --> 01:37:47.990 robin murez: to create 944 01:37:48.340 --> 01:37:51.849 robin murez: C graph like in Burns. Are you familiar with that? 945 01:37:51.990 --> 01:37:54.080 robin murez: It's through the Bay Foundation. 946 01:37:54.360 --> 01:37:57.430 robin murez: and that's like going to be happening until 947 01:37:57.470 --> 01:38:01.479 Isabelle Duvivier: Tim Rudnick knows about it. I think he's. Yes, we know about that. 948 01:38:01.740 --> 01:38:15.969 Isabelle Duvivier: Okay, that's awesome. That's like the entire. That's a really large area. This is just one little estuary, but really it's also a an access point. So it's a feasibility study to look at 949 01:38:16.120 --> 01:38:34.950 Isabelle Duvivier: how this area might become a better community gathering area as well as an estuary. So it's just a really small focal point. It's not like the entire. It's not like a dune Restoration project. Right? That's what he's doing. So this is like where the that drain is what I would always like. 950 01:38:34.960 --> 01:38:40.599 Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, like, if you rolled up, Sarah, you could see the the drain 951 01:38:40.940 --> 01:38:42.770 Isabelle Duvivier: right there. Yeah. 952 01:38:43.150 --> 01:38:45.609 Isabelle Duvivier: that like a gathering area. 953 01:38:45.780 --> 01:38:48.309 Isabelle Duvivier: the non covering and gathering area. 954 01:38:48.570 --> 01:38:53.790 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So so it's about what's your vision here? Is this going to be planted out with 955 01:38:54.280 --> 01:38:57.760 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: with native plants, or what's what are you thinking 956 01:38:58.260 --> 01:39:06.640 Isabelle Duvivier: so, Sarah? The reason I had you put it on. The agenda was really not to so much talk about that, but to flush out other ideas. 957 01:39:06.840 --> 01:39:14.340 Isabelle Duvivier: I don't have a vision for it yet. It's a feasibility study, and if the coast of Conservancy says 958 01:39:14.550 --> 01:39:22.659 Isabelle Duvivier: yes, this is a project. We can move forward. Then we can really flesh it out and try to figure out what exactly we're asking for. 959 01:39:22.700 --> 01:39:29.270 Isabelle Duvivier: But really I was interested. Barry had an idea about hop scotching parks. 960 01:39:29.690 --> 01:39:36.860 Isabelle Duvivier: Michael had an idea that I can't remember, you know. So the reason for bringing this forward 961 01:39:38.690 --> 01:39:42.989 Isabelle Duvivier: it was really just to have a conversation about other ideas. 962 01:39:43.150 --> 01:40:01.970 Isabelle Duvivier: I I I mean. I could talk about this for the next 20 min, but we have other stuff to talk about. I met who founded Venice Art Mecca. He and I talked about using the parking lot as a place for kids to hang out. Have food, I mean, there's like a whole thing. I could tell you about it. 963 01:40:01.980 --> 01:40:09.699 Isabelle Duvivier: But like. I said. I was really thinking that this would be an opportunity to see if there are other great ideas out there that we might want to 964 01:40:10.200 --> 01:40:21.060 Isabelle Duvivier: push in to to see if they're available to us. 965 01:40:21.260 --> 01:40:29.610 Barry Campion: Okay, Barry, what was your hop? Scotching Parks idea? Well, one of my PET peeves is the intersection of Millwood 966 01:40:30.090 --> 01:40:36.799 Barry Campion: and Oakwood, where streets la have put it's a big. It's a huge wide 967 01:40:36.890 --> 01:40:38.179 Barry Campion: intersection. 968 01:40:38.220 --> 01:40:41.979 Barry Campion: and they put these hideous white ballards 969 01:40:42.020 --> 01:40:54.540 Barry Campion: to as if you didn't know where to go just channeling the cars. And so they've actually created these boundaries of really large, ample, empty space. 970 01:40:54.650 --> 01:41:03.950 Barry Campion: that on the 4 corners that you know you could plan an oak in each corner. You could plan. You could just have a field day over there, as far as i'm concerned with planting, and 971 01:41:04.290 --> 01:41:06.329 Barry Campion: just really improving that 972 01:41:06.840 --> 01:41:13.960 Barry Campion: sort of barren open space and the like. I said this I don't know what the streets I like thinking those ballers. They just look like 973 01:41:13.980 --> 01:41:17.860 Barry Campion: bad teeth or something. They're just hideous. So, anyway. 974 01:41:18.380 --> 01:41:24.969 Barry Campion: you know. And then the and then there, you know, there, there's some other ones in Venice that where there's just these spaces that are kind of lost, and 975 01:41:25.480 --> 01:41:27.910 Barry Campion: to really enhance the area with a little 976 01:41:28.280 --> 01:41:32.410 Barry Campion: retention of the shell Circle area, I think, is another area that 977 01:41:32.480 --> 01:41:33.699 Barry Campion: could benefit. 978 01:41:34.230 --> 01:41:35.490 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So 979 01:41:35.670 --> 01:41:44.189 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so we have to frame these ideas in a way that is digestible by the coastal conservancy. 980 01:41:44.280 --> 01:41:47.250 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And we'll also appeal to 981 01:41:47.340 --> 01:42:02.539 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the grants that they have to give. So it might. It might be good, Barry, I think, to have a look at the website where there where this grant is. I've got the link. I can send it to you and see if you can figure out a way that it's gonna actually 982 01:42:02.650 --> 01:42:05.440 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: create greater access to the coast. 983 01:42:05.650 --> 01:42:07.730 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Go ahead, Eric. 984 01:42:08.280 --> 01:42:15.409 Eric Schiff: You know I I was just gonna second what Barry said, because I had talked to Isabel about this a while back. 985 01:42:15.890 --> 01:42:33.170 Eric Schiff: My idea is actually to do a rotary there with the planting in the center. So I you know i'm i'm very interested whether it's for this grant or whatever, and trying to move. I had done some work with the city. I had some initial 986 01:42:33.230 --> 01:42:41.890 Eric Schiff: outreach to the city, and had gotten a little bit along the way before Garcetti and some of his members. 987 01:42:42.000 --> 01:42:44.700 Eric Schiff: I've stepped away. So 988 01:42:44.950 --> 01:42:51.129 Eric Schiff: this something that is about I've been talking about. And so, Barry. Maybe the 3 of us could could talk about 989 01:42:51.240 --> 01:43:00.439 Eric Schiff: about that because I i'm definitely wanting to put some energy into making that happen. And I, you know I I live right by there. So 990 01:43:00.680 --> 01:43:05.860 Eric Schiff: you know, I I think I could also get community and neighbor support for that. And 991 01:43:06.070 --> 01:43:06.920 Eric Schiff: but anyway. 992 01:43:07.320 --> 01:43:08.170 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: okay. 993 01:43:08.330 --> 01:43:09.380 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Jim. 994 01:43:11.600 --> 01:43:15.330 jim murez: So I would just say that the the to Barry's comment. 995 01:43:15.500 --> 01:43:17.420 jim murez: and and to any other 996 01:43:17.480 --> 01:43:21.899 jim murez: projects like Menace Boulevard, where you're thinking about putting trees in your intersections. 997 01:43:22.440 --> 01:43:33.610 jim murez: I don't know that you know it's been 25 years for me since I did anything like that but they used to have a rule that you couldn't put a tree closer than 45 feet to the intersecting points 998 01:43:33.650 --> 01:43:38.959 jim murez: of where 2 streets came together by intersecting points. It was, if you drew a straight line 999 01:43:39.240 --> 01:43:40.610 jim murez: out to 1000 01:43:40.730 --> 01:43:44.429 jim murez: what would be the data point of the actual art bend. 1001 01:43:44.560 --> 01:43:50.019 jim murez: and and it's not necessarily where the curb face is. It's usually a little bit out into the street. 1002 01:43:50.240 --> 01:43:55.350 jim murez: but you had take that point, and then go back 45 feet before you could plant a first tree. 1003 01:43:55.490 --> 01:44:11.120 jim murez: and and I have no clue what they would ask for in the way of having some sort of a round about, or a circle and planting trees in there. But I know that the issue is always this line of site issue, and that's going to be the first thing that you're going to have to combat it 1004 01:44:11.190 --> 01:44:13.220 jim murez: coming up with the design. For there 1005 01:44:13.290 --> 01:44:15.899 jim murez: I can also tell you that 1006 01:44:16.170 --> 01:44:19.759 jim murez: you know, if you can approach the a project like that 1007 01:44:19.890 --> 01:44:25.710 jim murez: to do something similar to what I did at the corners of Abbott, Kenny. 1008 01:44:25.790 --> 01:44:44.240 jim murez: Main Street, Brooks, Hampton, and Electric, where I realign those 5 intersections. And this was back in the late nineties early 2 thousands that those intersections were all approached by by. Let's realign the streets because it's a safety hazard when you, when you have to look over your shoulder 1009 01:44:44.250 --> 01:44:58.400 jim murez: to see the oncoming traffic. If you can make a an an intersection close to perpendicular to a 90 degree angle, then you're only looking left to right rather than looking. Let's say, a 180 degrees back, or or even, you know. 1010 01:44:58.700 --> 01:45:14.289 jim murez: 70 or 30 degrees over your shoulder, whatever you want to call it; but as soon as you have to turn your head more than that, 90 degrees to the left or right, it becomes a safety hazard, because you're not looking forward in the peripheral vision, and that's a safety issue, and that gives you a whole different angle of 1011 01:45:14.300 --> 01:45:23.099 jim murez: how to approach being able to realign the intersections, which I think is what you're talking about. I would support it completely, but i'm just you know i'm. I'm 1012 01:45:23.200 --> 01:45:30.929 jim murez: trying to give you the heads up that these are some of the things that the led ot is going to be asking for. As you start to bring a project to 1013 01:45:31.050 --> 01:45:45.540 jim murez: Can we just ban cars in Venice? There we go. There's a group called Streets for La! They'll They'll be happy to take your top heads. 1014 01:45:46.770 --> 01:45:53.299 Michael McGuffin: I never mind. 22 years ago, but I don't have kids. I always have to say Don't forget. I don't have to. 1015 01:45:53.740 --> 01:45:55.769 Michael McGuffin: You know I don't have the burdens of some. 1016 01:45:56.420 --> 01:46:00.130 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You don't have to take anybody to school. Yeah. 1017 01:46:00.730 --> 01:46:02.690 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? Well. 1018 01:46:02.810 --> 01:46:06.989 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Michael, did you have an idea that you thought might be appropriate for this Grant. 1019 01:46:07.940 --> 01:46:17.329 Michael McGuffin: I I I don't recall it. So you see, I was relying on Isabelle to remember my idea, and she 1020 01:46:17.590 --> 01:46:23.449 Michael McGuffin: I don't have anything that comes to mind again. I mean you all know me. I would look for 1021 01:46:23.670 --> 01:46:31.929 Michael McGuffin: any any opportunity to take a vacant space and turn it into a productive garden that really engages the community 1022 01:46:32.030 --> 01:46:45.349 Isabelle Duvivier: is something that I value. But I don't know that that fits neatly in this Grant proposal, and I don't know that there's a lot of vacant spaces around for that. 1023 01:46:45.360 --> 01:47:03.800 Isabelle Duvivier: That's right. You were going to buy my garden. That's right. We could buy. Oakwood is very park, for we could find a property to buy somewhere in Oakland in there. There's a lot there's an empty lot that's on Abbot Kitty, just as your approach in Washington 1024 01:47:04.190 --> 01:47:11.610 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that I know it's owned by somebody, but they always hack the on the in the parkway down to the absolute nub. 1025 01:47:11.660 --> 01:47:13.809 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know if you guys have ever seen that lot. 1026 01:47:14.040 --> 01:47:18.280 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: but it would. Any parks would increase 1027 01:47:18.790 --> 01:47:23.399 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: access to the coast. I mean, that is really what this Grant is trying to create. 1028 01:47:24.560 --> 01:47:26.540 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Eric. You still have your hand up. 1029 01:47:26.650 --> 01:47:29.789 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do you want to take your hand down, or do you have something you'd like to add? 1030 01:47:31.080 --> 01:47:37.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I i'm just going to keep it up if you don't mind. 1031 01:47:38.410 --> 01:47:57.930 robin murez: Yeah, I I would like to have you all think about, you know, like the historic design of Venice and the and the wonderful stories of Venice. You know I do sculptures around Venice that bring out the historic stories, but in any the whole ocean front Walk area has had, like a continuous kind of design 1032 01:47:57.940 --> 01:48:02.239 robin murez: scheme that also, you know, could be 1033 01:48:02.820 --> 01:48:07.169 robin murez: embellished upon, together with plantings, you know i'm all for 1034 01:48:07.530 --> 01:48:11.770 robin murez: the planting, but and at the same time the history. 1035 01:48:11.950 --> 01:48:14.969 robin murez: So just want to throw that out and would love to. 1036 01:48:15.300 --> 01:48:18.039 robin murez: you know, explore it further as 1037 01:48:18.220 --> 01:48:19.809 robin murez: anybody works on it. 1038 01:48:20.230 --> 01:48:21.230 Okay. 1039 01:48:21.400 --> 01:48:24.389 robin murez: And that's true for that oakwood intersection as well. 1040 01:48:24.630 --> 01:48:29.120 robin murez: We can always add some cool historic elements 1041 01:48:29.400 --> 01:48:33.000 robin murez: that teach people the wonders of our community. 1042 01:48:33.850 --> 01:48:38.900 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, it's certainly certainly, Abbott Kenny's role with regard to 1043 01:48:39.260 --> 01:48:44.169 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: treaties and some of his experimental work with regard to bringing 1044 01:48:44.290 --> 01:48:47.169 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: eucalyptus here, although some people 1045 01:48:47.190 --> 01:48:49.290 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't support that. 1046 01:48:49.610 --> 01:48:51.179 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But 1047 01:48:52.610 --> 01:48:57.689 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: thank you, Robin, I think that is a good thing to keep in mind. Certainly. 1048 01:48:57.790 --> 01:49:15.650 Barry Campion: Well, we even just that intersection which is so vast and huge like. Why is it like that? I mean, I've often, you know, through even my screen, that you know palms on this one block. It's so wide. I just I don't. I don't know if it's just completely random. Or if there was once some sort of a plan. 1049 01:49:15.660 --> 01:49:19.329 Barry Campion: why, these streets suddenly get wide for a block, and then 1050 01:49:19.370 --> 01:49:23.920 Barry Campion: and then not so from a historical thing. Maybe there's something there. 1051 01:49:24.150 --> 01:49:27.340 jim murez: Gary, I would suggest, looking at the track maps 1052 01:49:27.640 --> 01:49:30.160 Barry Campion: the the witch maps. 1053 01:49:31.000 --> 01:49:40.820 jim murez: If you If you pull up the track map for the intersection, it'll probably show you there was some strange if you go to Zemas la city.org. 1054 01:49:40.940 --> 01:49:52.760 jim murez: and then you click on the county assessor, and then from the county Assessor, you bring up the it. It'll have a link there to the actual county Assessor's map. That will bring up a a sort of a 1055 01:49:52.950 --> 01:50:01.690 jim murez: more recent view of a track map. But if you then dig back into the archives of of the original track map that was filed. 1056 01:50:01.700 --> 01:50:20.350 Barry Campion: You'll very quickly find out why these things existed is probably because there was a rail line that went through there and made some strange turnaround, or you know, a dead end. It right there. Something like that at the time. Yeah, Interesting to know what yeah existed there originally. Yeah, Thank you. Thank you, Jen. That's a great suggestion. Okay. 1057 01:50:20.540 --> 01:50:27.419 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: My suggestion for this Grant was a close to Robin's heart was to 1058 01:50:28.410 --> 01:50:30.820 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: really beautify Lincoln, and to 1059 01:50:31.130 --> 01:50:34.930 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: open up the concrete nature of it, so that the run off 1060 01:50:35.150 --> 01:50:36.689 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: could 1061 01:50:37.430 --> 01:50:39.169 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: not be traveling 1062 01:50:39.300 --> 01:50:46.899 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so far that we would be able to absorb a lot of this water that is now running off into the ocean. As the New York Times pointed out this morning. 1063 01:50:47.870 --> 01:50:48.969 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so 1064 01:50:49.130 --> 01:50:59.340 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't have any more of an idea than that, but I do think that it it. It bears feasibility, and I have to think about. How would Lincoln Boulevard. It's beautification 1065 01:51:00.430 --> 01:51:03.580 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: create greater access to the coast. 1066 01:51:03.810 --> 01:51:07.909 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that's that's something that I need to to work on. 1067 01:51:07.950 --> 01:51:11.589 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Maybe i'm thinking about it in 2 literal terms. 1068 01:51:11.620 --> 01:51:17.259 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But I thought you did. A really beautiful job of describing how that Rose Avenue 1069 01:51:18.320 --> 01:51:19.830 estuary would 1070 01:51:19.940 --> 01:51:24.890 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: create a a greater awareness of what the coast offers. All of us is about. 1071 01:51:24.950 --> 01:51:39.680 Isabelle Duvivier: Okay. So I had one more idea. I just want you guys all had your chance. It's a I Haven't submitted it yet, and i'm just thinking it through. But there's this internal network of alleys and oakwood that are different than the other 1072 01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:55.059 Isabelle Duvivier: alleys and the other parts of Venice, and a lot of people who live in oak would use this internal network, because the streets are so narrow and the parkways don't have trees in them, and because the streets here are just not that nice but the alley. 1073 01:51:55.070 --> 01:52:00.600 Isabelle Duvivier: It's actually pretty cool, and a lot of them dead end at streets. So cars don't take them. 1074 01:52:00.770 --> 01:52:07.830 Isabelle Duvivier: So I was thinking of doing some kind of proposal to create a green network. 1075 01:52:07.960 --> 01:52:10.170 Isabelle Duvivier: maybe like a historic. 1076 01:52:10.720 --> 01:52:20.700 Isabelle Duvivier: I don't know something historic, tying this community into how they've been using the alleys over the course of the years, or something like that. 1077 01:52:21.630 --> 01:52:34.750 robin murez: Robin's giving me the thumbs up. Thank you, Robin. I would like to recreate some version of the original canal, but at least that greening more of the spaces would be great, and Jim 1078 01:52:34.760 --> 01:52:41.930 robin murez: suggested to me, years back, when I lived in the silver triangle that if alleys are not being used, you can get the 1079 01:52:42.080 --> 01:52:58.990 robin murez: all the homeowners along them to let them be removed, and had them turned into either larger backyards or green spaces. Anyway, I think I mean when I go into the silver triangle all the alleys we're still dirt. They've paved all of those in the last 40 years. 1080 01:52:59.130 --> 01:53:08.370 Michael McGuffin: and and and that that's the wrong direction. But I like that idea of we're not. We don't use our allies. Some people use them to store their trash cans, but that's about it. 1081 01:53:08.710 --> 01:53:18.829 Isabelle Duvivier: So the the opposite. Actually, i'm saying, we use our allies so much that there are bikes and kids playing and people walking, and it's a 1082 01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:26.190 Isabelle Duvivier: it's quite the opposite of not being used. But before you go, Jim. I I wanted to encourage Robin to look at this 1083 01:53:26.410 --> 01:53:35.019 Isabelle Duvivier: this grant application. It's for millions of dollars, and I think, restoring some of the Venice canals would be a really interesting 1084 01:53:35.300 --> 01:53:48.219 Isabelle Duvivier: to try to get a few 1 million dollars for I mean, that would be awesome, or even your the Lifeguard tower. It's it's. Anyway, I can send you the Grant application. 1085 01:53:48.840 --> 01:53:50.950 robin murez: Okay, let's put our heads together. 1086 01:53:51.060 --> 01:54:08.729 jim murez: I was just gonna say that the the city did have an adoption alley program. That's what they called it. It was run through the Department of Public Works, and you used to be able to get 66% of the people on the block to agree to close the alley. You could then put up 1087 01:54:08.740 --> 01:54:16.639 jim murez: fences on both ends of the alley and make the alley private. Once you did that you could remove the asphalt. But any 1088 01:54:16.690 --> 01:54:22.060 jim murez: service utility vehicles that had to be able to access the alley had to have a key to the gate. 1089 01:54:22.090 --> 01:54:35.689 jim murez: and if you look on the east side of linking, you can see where several of the much longer alleys that exist there have had that done, and they still exist today 1090 01:54:35.700 --> 01:54:58.250 jim murez: something that you know. If the Vnc. Wanted to support, putting together a proposal like that, we could certainly do that to to privatize the alleys. And basically what it does. Is it exactly like, is it Well set you? You could, you know, use it as a dog run? You could use it as a gardening, you know. So the area between where the tires are. Theoretically, you could have a slightly raised planting bed. 1091 01:54:58.260 --> 01:55:16.119 jim murez: You could make the whole thing grass it just if you have gas meters on the alley, like in the silver triangle, or or depending on where you are. If the gas meters in the alley, or if the sewers in the alley have to be able to maintain access for the city or or the utility companies to be able to get there. 1092 01:55:16.170 --> 01:55:19.110 jim murez: and that's the only requirement. And then everybody on the 1093 01:55:19.130 --> 01:55:25.649 jim murez: on the block ends up, having a key, or if it's an electric gate a clicker, whatever it is, to be able to get into that alley. 1094 01:55:26.270 --> 01:55:31.519 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: This is that moving away from creating coastal access? Is that excluding people from it. 1095 01:55:31.760 --> 01:55:33.920 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think I think we want to move towards 1096 01:55:34.110 --> 01:55:41.350 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: planting it and making it green for everyone to use. Yeah, like the parkway along the street, right, because, as 1097 01:55:41.700 --> 01:55:49.329 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel has pointed out about her street, although she didn't do that today, there's very little parkway on Brooks, but there is an alley 1098 01:55:49.570 --> 01:55:57.139 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: behind, and so that Ally could be used as a green space for people who are not getting a green space because their streets too narrow. 1099 01:55:57.370 --> 01:55:59.849 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So I've got a couple of hands up. 1100 01:56:00.310 --> 01:56:03.630 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Robin, do you have your hand up because you have something else? 1101 01:56:04.040 --> 01:56:33.330 robin murez: It didn't mean to, but I will love to jump in. Well, if you want a space to be green, you may have to do something to stop vehicles from going, but it could be that the bicycle network could be created through alleys. Or you know very thing, that, or skateboard network, and something like that also, because of what ground, water, sea, level rise, and groundwater rides, and all that. I've been told that it's very wise to have 1102 01:56:33.340 --> 01:56:35.849 robin murez: us have more permeable surfaces. 1103 01:56:36.010 --> 01:56:52.809 robin murez: So anyway, I think, yeah, we could create a whole network that's greener in the community, and Michael can have some more gardens through those, but you know, and and i'll put up some historic sculpture, so people will learn more of the interesting stories. 1104 01:56:53.180 --> 01:56:57.179 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and you can. You could use the sculptures instead of ugly bollards 1105 01:56:57.210 --> 01:57:02.390 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: to block the end. But it's still an open space, so bikes can get around right. 1106 01:57:02.730 --> 01:57:03.480 robin murez: Yeah. 1107 01:57:03.570 --> 01:57:13.929 robin murez: Yeah. So there must have to be a gate that has to be, you know, whatever it you know. I think we could put our heads together and come up with some cool ideas for it. I'm all in favor of that. 1108 01:57:13.950 --> 01:57:14.540 Yeah. 1109 01:57:14.850 --> 01:57:20.480 Eric Schiff: Eric. You go ahead. 1110 01:57:20.550 --> 01:57:23.169 Eric Schiff: as you may be aware, the city 1111 01:57:23.420 --> 01:57:31.849 Eric Schiff: for 10 min to eliminate all driveways on on the streets, because they want all. 1112 01:57:32.000 --> 01:57:35.210 And you know 1113 01:57:35.230 --> 01:57:44.219 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: there's something on with your speaker at the moment where I'm having trouble hearing you. I don't know if other people are too. 1114 01:57:44.740 --> 01:57:46.410 Eric Schiff: Oh, okay. 1115 01:57:47.610 --> 01:57:58.460 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: it's fine when you face directly it's when you look over to whatever yeah, you have to face directly toward us, I think. 1116 01:57:58.590 --> 01:58:04.940 Eric Schiff: Okay, great. I was gonna say i'm just i'm clear where you guys are talking about, because a lot of people certainly 1117 01:58:05.170 --> 01:58:22.380 Eric Schiff: i'm on Millwood. People use the alleys, and they park off the alleys behind their houses and the city, you know. They they, for example, want all the drive they you know, and any new construction they don't want driveways anymore, You know where people can park 1118 01:58:22.390 --> 01:58:35.760 Eric Schiff: off this, the the main street. They want all the parking and and access through the the back alley. So not just like on every Street that I've lived on 3 and on 3 properties and 1119 01:58:35.770 --> 01:58:47.380 Eric Schiff: in Venice, but in every situation at least, some of the people are using those alleys and parking, you know, on their property. So where I'm not sure where exactly. You guys are talking about 1120 01:58:48.380 --> 01:59:00.289 Isabelle Duvivier: that. Yeah. So nobody suggesting that you would, or or I wasn't suggesting that you would not allow cars to be there. But there, aren't that many cars that drive there. 1121 01:59:00.370 --> 01:59:19.359 Isabelle Duvivier: So on my street, for example, there's an apartment building. Everyone goes in and out, but they go in and out once a day. But the street here, you know everybody visiting Venice drives down my street, because there's a light at one end. There's going to be a hotel at the other end, so it's like constant traffic. 1122 01:59:19.370 --> 01:59:23.359 Isabelle Duvivier: My green alley could be something. 1123 01:59:24.590 --> 01:59:31.880 Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, I was just gonna show you like what they've been doing, and other communities where cars can still go through. 1124 01:59:32.200 --> 01:59:41.430 Isabelle Duvivier: But it's it's blows him down. I'm looking for the cover picture. Here's another picture. So here you can see there's still a gate there's still a gate there. 1125 01:59:41.700 --> 01:59:56.080 Isabelle Duvivier: and this isn't my vision of a green alley. My vision would have more trees and stuff, but the cover here here's another vision of it, so you can still come in, and I wouldn't probably want to have Ballards there, because obviously people have to get to their garages. 1126 01:59:56.420 --> 02:00:00.699 Isabelle Duvivier: But you have a nicer surface. It becomes a little bit more of a 1127 02:00:00.840 --> 02:00:02.659 Isabelle Duvivier: a more beautiful 1128 02:00:03.120 --> 02:00:05.800 Isabelle Duvivier: alley that it would 1129 02:00:05.890 --> 02:00:09.509 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: if you have a really I mean, if you, if you want 1130 02:00:09.680 --> 02:00:15.370 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: to have the Bollards, but then anybody lives on that alley has a way to move the you know. 1131 02:00:15.650 --> 02:00:19.910 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: If it's really expensive, you can have it going up and down, you know, with a clicker. 1132 02:00:20.180 --> 02:00:23.860 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I'll bet that's that's pretty costly. 1133 02:00:23.920 --> 02:00:26.810 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So I've got 3 people with hands up. 1134 02:00:27.350 --> 02:00:32.280 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Robin Michael has been waiting, I think, the longest. So 1135 02:00:32.900 --> 02:00:46.530 Michael McGuffin: here in the silver triangle. Yes, the alleys, the sewage line is down the middle of the alleys. Those need to be serviceable. The some of the electric lines, or at least the phone lines are all in the alleys, and I know they 1136 02:00:46.550 --> 02:00:47.730 Michael McGuffin: they 1137 02:00:47.860 --> 02:00:59.599 Michael McGuffin: explode probably tonight, you know. We'll have that big and then no electricity for 5 h, and then a truck will pull in, and they'll fix it. So yeah, there's got to be access. 1138 02:01:00.540 --> 02:01:10.670 Michael McGuffin: but I also think there's a way to make it kind of a multi-use. I I liked everything that Jim described, except we don't need the gates at each end. It's just change the use of it. 1139 02:01:10.700 --> 02:01:23.759 Michael McGuffin: There are only 2 driveways off of the alley. Currently it's the first lot and the second lot, so we don't need the whole alley open for that. But here's the crazier idea in my little neighborhood. 1140 02:01:24.200 --> 02:01:25.630 Michael McGuffin: We're now a flood zone. 1141 02:01:25.680 --> 02:01:40.079 Michael McGuffin: We are a flood zone. We're gonna flood before all of you over in Oakwood, and we've got 3 parallel streets. All the traffic is on Mildred. A little bit of traffic on Olive. A little bit of traffic on harbor. I would love to turn 1142 02:01:40.110 --> 02:01:43.950 Michael McGuffin: the middle one. I've been to a slew 1143 02:01:44.100 --> 02:01:45.010 Michael McGuffin: and 1144 02:01:45.050 --> 02:01:50.409 Michael McGuffin: make it so that the water is trying to go down there. Keep the cross. 1145 02:01:50.420 --> 02:02:12.179 Michael McGuffin: you know, so that you can drive from Mildred to harbor, and it'll still be able to for a car to get through. But we Don't need 3 through parallel East-west streets. So there's a crazy idea. I probably just spent several millions or tens of millions of dollars, but absolutely increase access, and if we could turn that into something that's green space 1146 02:02:12.190 --> 02:02:25.459 Michael McGuffin: trees, bicycles, and still tolerates the fact that there's a tiny little bit of automobile traffic, but really a tiny little bit, and it could be re retrained and not be needed. So there I just spent all your money. 1147 02:02:25.660 --> 02:02:27.590 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Good. 1148 02:02:28.960 --> 02:02:29.540 Yeah. 1149 02:02:30.520 --> 02:02:33.719 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So it would only be the folks that live on. All of 1150 02:02:34.810 --> 02:02:50.790 Michael McGuffin: there are no driveways on Allah. No, that's not true. That's not true. There are a few. I i'll walk it and see how many there are. Almost all of the driveways are on the on that South street. Yeah, okay, Eric, Go right ahead. 1151 02:02:51.250 --> 02:02:56.020 Eric Schiff: Oh, I no sorry I I I I I shouldn't be in my hands. 1152 02:02:56.080 --> 02:03:01.880 Eric Schiff: I think it's a great idea. We also, you know there's trash trucks to that go down a lot of 1153 02:03:02.280 --> 02:03:06.069 Eric Schiff: a lot of alleys in Venice. Not so, that's another issue, but 1154 02:03:06.200 --> 02:03:16.719 Eric Schiff: and certainly certainly I mean the the big issue with a lot of these alleys is 1155 02:03:16.890 --> 02:03:26.870 Eric Schiff: is that it should be permeability there, because a lot of them are flooding, and the city because they're but because they're concrete and not asphalt. They don't 1156 02:03:27.020 --> 02:03:38.590 Eric Schiff: resurface them. They don't do anything, and they want the homeowners to do it, but you know it's hard to get all the homeowners get on board to spend that kind of money. So it is a big issue. 1157 02:03:38.790 --> 02:03:39.370 Hmm. 1158 02:03:41.830 --> 02:03:45.710 robin murez: Yeah. So I I just want to also 1159 02:03:45.950 --> 02:04:02.489 robin murez: suggest that Grand boulevard, and you know it's. Forget the names of the streets. But some of those that used to be canals that are close to the beach. If you're talking about coastalactus. Also, those are ridiculously wide and ugly. 1160 02:04:02.500 --> 02:04:21.209 robin murez: and they could, I think, be green and permeable, and and probably have still more parking. I mean Jim, you probably know, like why don't they have diagonal parking there and well market. I used to live on Market Street, and it's way wider than it needs to be for 1161 02:04:21.460 --> 02:04:26.349 robin murez: driving purposes or anything. And so I think that 1162 02:04:26.380 --> 02:04:40.409 robin murez: those being coastal axis tours come that way. You know it. That could be really good for this grant, and a great way to make significant Greening. So throw it out there. And and Jim, if you know about those, if you're still on this 1163 02:04:40.580 --> 02:04:49.550 jim murez: so I can. Yeah, I can fill in a little bit the the parking ratio. When you parallel park versus diagonal parking you can get about 3 to one. 1164 02:04:49.950 --> 02:05:09.450 jim murez: And and so if you assume that there's a 100 spaces there today, parallel parking. Assume you can get 300 parking spaces there tomorrow. If you did diagonal parking. Now, if you take every fifth parking space and turn it into a planting island, you could then create a complete canopy over the street. 1165 02:05:09.760 --> 02:05:29.029 jim murez: and and that was proposed a few years ago. And it's been there's been different revisions of it. There actually are some designs that I think, created in the neighborhood of around 15 or 1,600 parking spaces in North Denis, using the old canals, and what that would actually do. In addition to creating this big green canopy. 1166 02:05:29.050 --> 02:05:34.959 jim murez: it would also allow North Dennis to have what's known as permit parking or 1167 02:05:35.020 --> 02:05:54.400 jim murez: or or zone parking, because the Coastal Commission says you can't take away public parking without creating new parking elsewhere. And so, if we wanted to say that one out of every 3 of those spaces was going to be a permit parking space, because now we've created 2 new ones. They would allow that as well. 1168 02:05:54.470 --> 02:06:09.220 jim murez: So so with all of those concepts in mind what kept coming back, and has come back every time that it's been proposed. The people that live on those streets say, Well, we have enough parking. Why do we want to have 1169 02:06:09.900 --> 02:06:24.080 jim murez: 2 more new cars that are just going to be tourists or campers, or somebody else living in my neighborhood, or going to the beach, and and you know, defecating in my yard, or whatever their reasoning is, they're saying, Why do we want to have all this visitor parking. 1170 02:06:24.200 --> 02:06:40.510 jim murez: and it's always been a very much not in my backyard. But maybe by taking the complete green approach and saying to you, you know we could do a medium down the center of Grand, because it's big enough that you could still do diagonal parking on the outside and down a median, you know. 1171 02:06:40.570 --> 02:06:46.259 jim murez: and and they have, I think, 8 put parkways already. 1172 02:06:46.380 --> 02:06:54.899 jim murez: So there is a tremendous opportunity on there on Riviera, on Caprio. There's several of the streets on windward. There, there's a bunch of them. 1173 02:06:54.970 --> 02:07:06.309 jim murez: and and you know, maybe the the approach should be not we're creating additional parking. Rather, we're creating additional canopy. The the flood district because all of that's in the flood line. 1174 02:07:06.640 --> 02:07:09.210 jim murez: and and maybe there would be some way of 1175 02:07:09.350 --> 02:07:16.239 jim murez: also tying that back into all the complaints that the city is getting, that if you have an Fdic approved loan 1176 02:07:16.300 --> 02:07:23.739 jim murez: that you have to now carry flood insurance as well, you have no choice, or you lose your loan. And so, maybe because we could create enough 1177 02:07:24.190 --> 02:07:27.149 jim murez: permeable surfaces. Maybe we could reduce that 1178 02:07:27.370 --> 02:07:30.809 jim murez: that demand or something from those. Maybe there's something else that could be. 1179 02:07:31.420 --> 02:07:33.130 jim murez: Maybe there's some way of getting 1180 02:07:33.490 --> 02:07:35.599 jim murez: Ted lose our Congressman 1181 02:07:35.790 --> 02:07:36.939 jim murez: to help us. 1182 02:07:36.960 --> 02:07:39.720 jim murez: because we're creating something that 1183 02:07:39.850 --> 02:07:41.050 jim murez: ultimately 1184 02:07:41.170 --> 02:07:43.840 jim murez: would create less of a flood hazard 1185 02:07:44.300 --> 02:07:48.719 jim murez: because it would be green, and it would have trees, and it would reduce that flooding 1186 02:07:48.840 --> 02:07:50.379 potential so 1187 02:07:51.580 --> 02:08:11.199 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: great. That's really great. I think that sounds like an amazing opportunity to be honest, those wider streets. So if you do so, I just want to ask you a question. Jen. Let me let me interrupt you. A project like that really needs to be a Multi committee project where you guys can approach it 1188 02:08:11.210 --> 02:08:27.039 jim murez: from the greening aspect. We got to get parking and transportation on to talk about what is the what is the parking element of this? And i'm sure that Robert and that committee will be more than happy to do it. And and you know in the case that it's also going to 1189 02:08:27.380 --> 02:08:34.509 jim murez: create potentially more parking for commercial businesses or other properties in the area, you know. Maybe guest parking 1190 02:08:35.580 --> 02:08:42.180 jim murez: wouldn't have to be as much in the alleys or whatever. Maybe the the Land Use Committee also needs to be so. This can't just be a 1191 02:08:42.370 --> 02:08:50.050 jim murez: harbor committee project, but it definitely can be led by the Harbor committee and can be brainstormed. And that approach that way. 1192 02:08:50.340 --> 02:08:56.830 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Thank you for that. So what I was going to ask you was, you had said that there had been some proposals in the past. 1193 02:08:56.990 --> 02:08:58.099 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do you 1194 02:08:58.110 --> 02:09:17.019 jim murez: have access? Or do you know who drafted those proposals, and where we might look at the plans if they have to do some really deep digging, because it's been 20 years since anybody did it. I know that Michael King and Diana Diana Pauler did the last design. He's an architect, and she's an architect. They both moved to Palm Springs. 1195 02:09:18.580 --> 02:09:21.850 jim murez: I know they're still around, and they still do stuff, I mean. 1196 02:09:22.240 --> 02:09:35.390 jim murez: I guess my first thing would be to reach out to Michael King, who is the draft? You know the the architect, and graphs that they did the last study that I saw, but I know that that stuff was also submitted to the city. So yeah, I'd have to just look through all my files. I mean, it goes way back, but 1197 02:09:35.510 --> 02:09:37.870 jim murez: I may have something somewhere. 1198 02:09:37.910 --> 02:09:39.929 jim murez: Okay? Great. Thank you. 1199 02:09:40.540 --> 02:09:47.979 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, I we're gonna wrap up here in a second because we're at 4 11. But, Robin, I'd like to hear what you have to say. It sounds like it looks like your hand is up. 1200 02:09:48.160 --> 02:10:05.380 robin murez: Yeah. So it was like the first thing on my agenda for the preserving public places. Committee of you know the then a Neighborhood council is to recreate the dentist canals in some fashion, if not waterways and permeable green spaces, you know. 1201 02:10:05.460 --> 02:10:15.560 robin murez: So all of this I see is, it would be awesome if we could have there be some kind of you know, green overlay to all the roads that used to be canal. 1202 02:10:15.690 --> 02:10:21.639 robin murez: and I think there is a way of looking at it because they did. Used to be canals, that 1203 02:10:21.700 --> 02:10:31.690 robin murez: that there may be a a way that we could connect them, and that it would create greenery and historic, and, you know. 1204 02:10:31.870 --> 02:10:41.820 robin murez: canopy and parking and all of it. So I just want to always keep that historic element also in part of it, because the aesthetics of this 1205 02:10:41.870 --> 02:10:44.220 robin murez: would be awesome. 1206 02:10:44.830 --> 02:10:55.920 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do you have a do you have a map of where all the canals were. Oh, yeah, so you know what i'll interact with you directly. And then maybe, as you say, Jen. 1207 02:10:56.040 --> 02:11:02.100 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: if we, I I think also it's worth putting together. Maybe you and I, Robin, can draft it. 1208 02:11:02.120 --> 02:11:06.680 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: putting together an initial proposal, the the pre application that 1209 02:11:07.850 --> 02:11:16.009 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: his develop already did. And then, you know, draft the pre application. Put it in and see what we get. You know whether they're interested in it or not. 1210 02:11:16.090 --> 02:11:29.959 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But I do think that tying the historical nature of Venice, and then I mean, we really would be creating more access. I just know that, my daughter, you know, every time she wants to go surfing it's like an impossible thing to find a place to bar. 1211 02:11:30.120 --> 02:11:39.600 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So, you know, if we crave for parking at the same time urban canopy, and we we turn what was once a canal into a green way. 1212 02:11:40.220 --> 02:11:46.110 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: instead of being blue, the blue it's now green. I mean, that could be really exciting, really exciting or 1213 02:11:46.530 --> 02:11:56.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: okay. I think we should wrap up. If anybody has anything else they'd like to add, I don't have it. Didn't put next 1214 02:11:56.210 --> 02:11:58.649 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: meetings date on here. 1215 02:11:58.730 --> 02:12:10.330 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There's something else on the agenda that was kind of important after this topic. 1216 02:12:11.200 --> 02:12:13.130 Isabelle Duvivier: Well, I guess they can both wait. 1217 02:12:14.660 --> 02:12:19.399 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Let me mention the recruiting helpers at the farmers market. 1218 02:12:19.510 --> 02:12:25.359 jim murez: The Emergency Preparedness Committee is now taking on one week, a month. 1219 02:12:25.540 --> 02:12:38.959 jim murez: 1 one Friday a month, and and you know, if they start doing that and you had material, you wanted them to set out. I'm sure they would be happy to. It'd be nice if we could get another K committee to also step up and take on one week a month. 1220 02:12:39.020 --> 02:12:48.859 jim murez: and directed more towards your committee rather than towards their committee, but maybe still include their information while you're there, and i'm happy to bring the table in chairs 1221 02:12:48.910 --> 02:12:51.569 jim murez: and and have it available to you. 1222 02:12:51.680 --> 02:12:53.010 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, thanks, Jim. 1223 02:12:53.050 --> 02:12:53.610 Yeah. 1224 02:12:53.750 --> 02:13:02.789 jim murez: it's been so great to have you here. Thank you so much. You guys are doing great work, and I want to support you in any way. 1225 02:13:03.050 --> 02:13:03.910 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Thank you. 1226 02:13:04.070 --> 02:13:08.719 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, folks. I think that's an adjournment, and i'll send out 1227 02:13:09.030 --> 02:13:26.049 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a date for next time since I don't, I think that we've been here for long enough. It's 4 15, but I I hope to see all of you or some of you tomorrow at the dunes. Tell us again. The address, Isabel. It's at the intersection of 1228 02:13:26.190 --> 02:13:32.439 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: 29 to notion for a walk. 29 and ocean front walk. Okay, Everybody see you there 1229 02:13:32.510 --> 02:13:34.369 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: bye, bye. 1230 02:13:35.050 --> 02:13:37.080 Isabelle Duvivier: don't forget to stop the recording. 1231 02:13:38.130 --> 02:13:38.900 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh. 1232 02:13:39.720 --> 02:13:43.769 jim murez: it happens automatically when you killed me. Who started the meeting was that Vicki for you? 1233 02:13:43.850 --> 02:13:56.300 jim murez: Sorry my phone went dead and I apologize, my computer. You were already up and running, and there's nothing I could do. But anyway, that is that why you stay for the whole meeting? You felt guilty. 1234 02:13:56.450 --> 02:13:59.789 jim murez: No, I stayed for the whole meeting because I was interested in listening. 1235 02:13:59.990 --> 02:14:19.349 sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I'm just teasing you. I'm so glad you came. I I apologize for not starting it on time for you. Sorry I don't. I don't know I actually to be honest. I don't know how to stop the recording. I don't know if it's going to happen or not. As soon as you click on leave and it says, and and for everyone it automatically kills the whole thing. Okay, okay, Great. Goodbye. Everyone. Bye, bye.