WEBVTT 1 00:01:09.950 --> 00:01:12.000 jim murez: Good evening, Elizabeth. Right. 2 00:01:12.290 --> 00:01:13.450 jim murez: How are you? 3 00:01:15.060 --> 00:01:16.350 jim murez: I I 4 00:01:17.010 --> 00:01:21.179 jim murez: allowed you to speak. You're unmuted, asked to unmute. There you go. 5 00:01:26.390 --> 00:01:28.259 jim murez: I guess you don't want to say anything 6 00:01:33.690 --> 00:01:34.770 jim murez: that's weird. 7 00:01:43.260 --> 00:01:55.669 Elizabeth Wright: Good evening, Elizabeth. How are you? 8 00:01:55.890 --> 00:01:58.139 jim murez: Why is it not working? 9 00:01:58.940 --> 00:02:01.790 Elizabeth Wright: I'm not muted you. 10 00:02:02.600 --> 00:02:06.869 Elizabeth Wright: I want Speaker now. I can hear you 11 00:02:07.110 --> 00:02:08.230 Elizabeth Wright: from being there. 12 00:02:08.750 --> 00:02:18.670 jim murez: Hi! Good evening. How are you? 13 00:02:20.370 --> 00:02:22.759 jim murez: 12 years in the process? 14 00:02:26.150 --> 00:02:29.729 jim murez: Because of all time record for going through planning? 15 00:02:37.370 --> 00:02:39.740 Elizabeth Wright: So now they can start. 16 00:02:40.290 --> 00:02:43.509 jim murez: No, now they have to go and have all of their 17 00:02:43.660 --> 00:02:48.329 jim murez: mechanical drawings made, which will probably take them 6 months or more. 18 00:02:50.410 --> 00:02:53.070 jim murez: And then and then they have to 19 00:02:53.140 --> 00:02:55.269 jim murez: get all of those 20 00:02:55.890 --> 00:03:01.460 jim murez: mechanical drawings, all of the actual construction documents approved. 21 00:03:01.640 --> 00:03:09.239 jim murez: and that'll probably take another 6 months, and you know things like where they're going to haul all the dirt to. 22 00:03:09.340 --> 00:03:14.719 jim murez: and what routes they're going to use, and what their hours of construction, and all of that sort of thing. 23 00:03:15.710 --> 00:03:25.249 jim murez: The basic information is already all been approved like that. They're allowed to take out whatever it was, 300,000 yards dirt. 24 00:03:25.610 --> 00:03:26.380 jim murez: But 25 00:03:26.410 --> 00:03:33.540 jim murez: how they go about taking it out and where they drive, and all of those kinds of You know how they gonna go about de-watering. This site. 26 00:03:33.720 --> 00:03:35.880 jim murez: That's all. Still 27 00:03:36.470 --> 00:03:38.919 jim murez: Hasn't even been started. Yet 28 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.750 jim murez: all those documents have to still be created. 29 00:03:42.350 --> 00:03:45.239 jim murez: So it it it'll be another year before they start. 30 00:03:47.300 --> 00:03:56.200 jim murez: I think I mean I don't know I I I actually don't know they may have already started on doing all of that, but I kind of doubt it, because that means that then they would have been anticipating 31 00:03:56.420 --> 00:03:58.410 jim murez: a 100% approval. 32 00:03:59.040 --> 00:04:02.659 jim murez: And it's kind of hard to know if that's actually going to happen. 33 00:04:02.940 --> 00:04:04.079 jim murez: you never know. 34 00:04:05.530 --> 00:04:06.330 So 35 00:04:06.690 --> 00:04:10.939 jim murez: Oh, you know, I just thought of something I need to look at. Excuse me for a minute. I've got a 36 00:04:11.730 --> 00:04:13.890 jim murez: check. The B and C website 37 00:04:35.830 --> 00:04:37.060 jim murez: so interesting. 38 00:08:11.160 --> 00:08:13.869 jim murez: So let me start promoting people. 39 00:08:14.850 --> 00:08:18.160 jim murez: Jason. I see your hand is up, and i'm promoting you. 40 00:08:19.390 --> 00:08:23.979 jim murez: J. I see here, here i'm promoting you. I had to modify 41 00:08:24.390 --> 00:08:27.079 jim murez: the agenda daffodil. I see you 42 00:08:29.080 --> 00:08:32.520 jim murez: Jay. I'm gonna try and promote you again 43 00:08:34.580 --> 00:08:36.430 jim murez: definitely. You made it 44 00:08:37.830 --> 00:08:40.549 jim murez: Liz. I'm going to 45 00:08:40.630 --> 00:08:43.079 jim murez: remove permission to talk. 46 00:08:45.310 --> 00:08:51.430 jim murez: And who else is on our committee? We have 4, so I guess we can get started. It's 6 o 3 47 00:08:58.350 --> 00:09:02.100 jim murez: Can I make you co-host or you have. Are you able to? 48 00:09:02.620 --> 00:09:03.280 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah. 49 00:09:03.370 --> 00:09:04.490 Okay, Great. 50 00:09:04.640 --> 00:09:06.000 jim murez: So 51 00:09:06.160 --> 00:09:08.580 jim murez: if you can keep an eye on 52 00:09:09.230 --> 00:09:11.560 jim murez: who is arriving 53 00:09:12.460 --> 00:09:16.809 jim murez: now? The meetings already started, let me call the meeting to order, and then 54 00:09:17.470 --> 00:09:21.499 jim murez: we can get going. I think it should be fairly quick. At least I hope it is tonight. 55 00:09:27.220 --> 00:09:29.270 jim murez: Too many buttons to press. 56 00:09:31.470 --> 00:09:35.540 jim murez: Okay, we're off and running. The time is 57 00:09:36.130 --> 00:09:40.530 jim murez: 6 o 3, and i'm going to 58 00:09:41.020 --> 00:09:46.540 jim murez: call this meeting to order timestamp to save it away someplace. 59 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:49.450 jim murez: It's not the Lord, it's 60 00:09:50.850 --> 00:09:53.569 jim murez: on the fifteenth, and we'll save that 61 00:09:54.190 --> 00:09:57.379 jim murez: James Mirren is here daffodil 62 00:09:57.610 --> 00:09:58.450 Daffodil Tyminski: here 63 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.720 jim murez: Melissa 64 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:02.610 jim murez: Jay 65 00:10:02.940 --> 00:10:04.020 jay handal: Jay is here 66 00:10:04.050 --> 00:10:04.800 great 67 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:06.589 jim murez: Nico. 68 00:10:07.880 --> 00:10:08.880 Jason Sugars: Jason. 69 00:10:10.160 --> 00:10:11.180 jim murez: Jason. 70 00:10:14.090 --> 00:10:15.950 jim murez: I can hear the wind. Jason. 71 00:10:17.940 --> 00:10:21.370 Jason Sugars: Okay, perfect. Got it? 72 00:10:22.280 --> 00:10:23.829 jim murez: Hallie 73 00:10:24.630 --> 00:10:26.070 jim murez: and Mike. Bravo! 74 00:10:27.250 --> 00:10:28.960 jim murez: Okay, we have a quarrel. 75 00:10:29.400 --> 00:10:40.789 jim murez: do we have any expertise communications 76 00:10:41.040 --> 00:10:42.819 Daffodil Tyminski: season. I have the ability to do that. 77 00:10:45.810 --> 00:10:48.180 jim murez: Do you have the ability? I thought I could. 78 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:49.329 jim murez: I clicked on it. 79 00:10:49.980 --> 00:11:01.089 jim murez: It's not responding very quickly to me. 80 00:11:01.270 --> 00:11:08.559 jim murez: Yeah, yeah, I just never got the notification. But it's working. 81 00:11:11.570 --> 00:11:18.319 jim murez: Okay. So exparte communications do we have any expertise communications on the projects that are on the 82 00:11:18.970 --> 00:11:36.940 jim murez: board's agenda. We haven't gotten there yet. So why don't we just talk about expertise communications about.com, and we'll get to the other ones when we get there. what's on here? What i'm doing that nominating rules and share. Yeah, you know, I had a couple of emails that I passed back and forth with people about 83 00:11:36.950 --> 00:11:41.990 jim murez: nominations for rules and chairs. But we haven't come up with anything yet that i'm aware of. So. 84 00:11:42.550 --> 00:11:46.779 jim murez: that's the only expertise communication I have. Does anybody else have any? 85 00:11:49.660 --> 00:11:51.189 jim murez: No, okay. No. 86 00:11:53.540 --> 00:11:58.220 jim murez: Announcements from the public items, not on the agenda. 87 00:11:58.300 --> 00:12:00.210 jim murez: Anybody have a hand raised. 88 00:12:02.540 --> 00:12:04.280 Daffodil Tyminski: Not at the moment. 89 00:12:04.560 --> 00:12:06.540 jim murez: Let's give them a few seconds. 90 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:10.720 jim murez: Elizabeth. Right? Those 91 00:12:11.500 --> 00:12:13.169 jim murez: you want to. Yeah. 92 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:13.890 Okay. 93 00:12:14.280 --> 00:12:16.140 Daffodil Tyminski: Hi, Liz, Go ahead. Make your comment. 94 00:12:17.560 --> 00:12:19.960 Elizabeth Wright: Okay. I have 3 items. The first 95 00:12:20.010 --> 00:12:26.080 Elizabeth Wright: in the Adcom agenda number 9 is to nominate a share of rules and selections. 96 00:12:26.360 --> 00:12:28.640 Elizabeth Wright: and then the draft board agenda 97 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:33.039 Elizabeth Wright: under the President. Report is seeking community officer 98 00:12:33.090 --> 00:12:37.209 Elizabeth Wright: to share rules and selections. You've got to make a decision on that 99 00:12:37.630 --> 00:12:38.950 Elizabeth Wright: second item 100 00:12:39.140 --> 00:12:39.980 Elizabeth Wright: is. 101 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:43.499 jim murez: but that's too fast. I wasn't taking notes. Yet could you back up? 102 00:12:43.900 --> 00:12:47.719 Elizabeth Wright: Okay, Addcom agenda Number 9 103 00:12:48.380 --> 00:12:53.029 Elizabeth Wright: says it's an action Item: nominate the of rules and selections 104 00:12:53.350 --> 00:12:54.070 jim murez: right 105 00:12:55.070 --> 00:12:57.120 Elizabeth Wright: in the draft board agenda 106 00:12:57.240 --> 00:12:58.980 Elizabeth Wright: under President report. 107 00:12:59.310 --> 00:13:04.039 Elizabeth Wright: You have seeking community officer to share rules and Selections Committee. 108 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.129 jim murez: So okay, all right. That's the President's report. All right. Very good. Thank you. 109 00:13:14.430 --> 00:13:16.459 Elizabeth Wright: My second item is 110 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:18.800 Elizabeth Wright: standing Rule Number 5 111 00:13:21.730 --> 00:13:26.429 Elizabeth Wright: is all agenda requests and supporting documents for the 112 00:13:26.540 --> 00:13:29.840 Elizabeth Wright: outcome committee must be submitted to the Secretary. 113 00:13:29.990 --> 00:13:36.920 Elizabeth Wright: No; that no later than 7 Pm. 3 days prior to the posting deadline for the Administrative Committee meeting 114 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.360 Elizabeth Wright: 6 days prior to said meeting. 115 00:13:40.070 --> 00:13:40.890 Elizabeth Wright: and 116 00:13:41.070 --> 00:13:42.810 Elizabeth Wright: I am concerned that 117 00:13:43.380 --> 00:13:46.649 Elizabeth Wright: you have publicly stated, you will accept 118 00:13:47.450 --> 00:13:50.970 Elizabeth Wright: agenda request up to 2 h before the meeting. 119 00:13:52.940 --> 00:13:55.690 Elizabeth Wright: You are encouraging violation of a standing rule. 120 00:13:59.900 --> 00:14:01.620 Elizabeth Wright: Item number 3 121 00:14:01.940 --> 00:14:04.009 Elizabeth Wright: in the December 4 meeting 122 00:14:04.050 --> 00:14:06.790 Elizabeth Wright: in the December Board meeting. 123 00:14:07.070 --> 00:14:09.139 Elizabeth Wright: It's 4 months before the 124 00:14:09.800 --> 00:14:11.500 Elizabeth Wright: Bmc. Election. 125 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:13.330 Elizabeth Wright: and there is no mention of it 126 00:14:14.150 --> 00:14:15.600 Elizabeth Wright: in the agenda at all. 127 00:14:17.230 --> 00:14:17.980 Elizabeth Wright: Nothing 128 00:14:26.490 --> 00:14:31.739 Daffodil Tyminski: Is that it lists anything else that that's I'm: sorry. Thank you. 129 00:14:32.000 --> 00:14:36.110 Daffodil Tyminski: Seeing no other hands, Jim. I'd say, let's close public comment. 130 00:14:36.400 --> 00:14:37.220 jim murez: Okay. 131 00:14:38.350 --> 00:14:40.389 jim murez: So public comment is closed. 132 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:58.919 jim murez: Liz, I will address the standing rule Number 5. The the President has the ability to be able to add and remove items on the ports draft agenda prior to the meeting. It's always been done. I've been said it's allowed to be done 133 00:14:58.950 --> 00:15:01.110 jim murez: on more than one occasion. 134 00:15:01.130 --> 00:15:05.190 Daffodil Tyminski: Jim, let's not respond to public comment. Let's see if we can keep going on. 135 00:15:06.130 --> 00:15:10.390 jim murez: but you're right. We should change that standing rule because it's a ridiculous one. 136 00:15:11.730 --> 00:15:22.190 jim murez: Approval of outstanding administrative Committee, Mini Committee minutes. Sorry Committee Meeting minutes is what it probably should say. Do I need a maker? 137 00:15:24.150 --> 00:15:26.410 Jason Sugars: I'll make the motion. 138 00:15:27.210 --> 00:15:32.310 jim murez: Thank you. That was J Jason made the motion. J. Seconded 139 00:15:32.870 --> 00:15:35.250 jim murez: definitely. Do we have any public comments? 140 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:39.520 Daffodil Tyminski: I see no hands raised. 141 00:15:43.960 --> 00:15:51.269 jim murez: Nope closed. do we have any committee comment. 142 00:15:53.160 --> 00:15:59.580 jim murez: seeing nobody's hand up. Let's take a vote. I will vote. Yes. 143 00:16:03.880 --> 00:16:05.740 jay handal: Jay. Yep. 144 00:16:06.510 --> 00:16:07.829 jim murez: And Jason 145 00:16:08.310 --> 00:16:09.379 Jason Sugars: voting. Yes. 146 00:16:09.800 --> 00:16:12.770 jim murez: Thank you. So it motion carries 147 00:16:16.830 --> 00:16:20.779 jim murez: We still don't have anybody to to nominate 148 00:16:20.980 --> 00:16:25.030 jim murez: it. It's actually for yeah, for for rules and selection committee. 149 00:16:25.070 --> 00:16:29.940 jim murez: and that, I think, is part of the procedure. We would have to nominate them, and then the Board 150 00:16:31.150 --> 00:16:36.509 jim murez: affirms that nomination. But nobody has been interested, and I've asked everyone, and 151 00:16:37.830 --> 00:16:44.640 jim murez: I don't know what to say. It's a big job, and nobody wants to take it on, especially not now with election. So we're going to just keep moving on. 152 00:16:45.750 --> 00:16:50.850 jim murez: And now I need a motion for consideration of the draft board agenda. 153 00:16:51.260 --> 00:16:52.300 jay handal: I'm moving. 154 00:16:52.590 --> 00:16:54.180 jim murez: Thank you, Jay. 155 00:16:54.970 --> 00:16:57.960 jim murez: Thank you. 156 00:16:59.270 --> 00:17:01.160 jim murez: And now let me 157 00:17:01.830 --> 00:17:03.600 jim murez: record this away. 158 00:17:04.869 --> 00:17:08.550 jim murez: And oh, Lisa has her hand up. 159 00:17:09.910 --> 00:17:12.310 jim murez: We can take public comment on 160 00:17:12.579 --> 00:17:14.050 jim murez: moving forward with 161 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:15.680 jim murez: getting on to the 162 00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:17.510 jim murez: draft agenda 163 00:17:18.470 --> 00:17:19.830 jim murez: definitely. You want to go ahead and 164 00:17:19.990 --> 00:17:23.730 Daffodil Tyminski: sure Lisa, go ahead. 165 00:17:25.839 --> 00:17:39.739 Lisa Redmond: Yeah, I just want to point out procedurally every month you do. This is that you take a motion to open up the draft board agenda. Then you go through the draft of board agenda, and then you totally adjourn the meeting. 166 00:17:39.990 --> 00:17:45.669 Lisa Redmond: you, Don't. You go through and maybe have votes. You have motions within that motion 167 00:17:45.810 --> 00:17:59.390 Lisa Redmond: to have to approve different pockets of the draft board agenda. But then you never even do a final motion, a vote to finally approve it. So I, somewhere, something procedurally is off. 168 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:04.160 Lisa Redmond: You just quickly always adjourn the meeting. So I just wanted to point that out. 169 00:18:06.270 --> 00:18:16.159 jim murez: Thank you. Yeah. Well, sometimes I do forget. But this is everything is already approved. We're we're moving right along, and and the last month we actually did come back and approve it. So 170 00:18:16.180 --> 00:18:26.659 jim murez: please remind me if if we get close to the end, that you don't see me doing that. Alright? So I'm going to go ahead and save this away. Public comment is close. We didn't have any other hands up. Did we? Definitely? 171 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:27.390 Daffodil Tyminski: No. 172 00:18:27.450 --> 00:18:30.830 jim murez: okay. So let me go ahead and save this, and we'll come back here. 173 00:18:41.610 --> 00:18:43.249 jim murez: And now 174 00:18:43.270 --> 00:18:44.770 jim murez: let me 175 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:47.700 scroll up here to the top. 176 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.539 I need to go back to record minutes load. 177 00:18:54.290 --> 00:18:58.210 and we are going to open the for draft. 178 00:19:02.860 --> 00:19:04.170 It's here 179 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:07.330 and 5. 180 00:19:08.550 --> 00:19:10.759 jim murez: It's the last and most complete. 181 00:19:11.260 --> 00:19:12.120 jim murez: Okay. 182 00:19:12.630 --> 00:19:16.319 jim murez: So now we are on to let's approve. Item number one. 183 00:19:16.580 --> 00:19:17.830 jim murez: which is the 184 00:19:17.910 --> 00:19:28.349 jim murez: rules, Part Number 2, which is calling to order 3, 4, 5, 6 public safety and Lapd reports 185 00:19:28.760 --> 00:19:30.040 jim murez: 6 186 00:19:30.290 --> 00:19:34.170 jim murez: Government report. So I think I got these in the correct order. 187 00:19:35.940 --> 00:19:43.700 jim murez: and Lisa may be able to correct us if she wants. But I think that I've got all the right people. There's several to be determined deputies. 188 00:19:44.080 --> 00:19:49.920 jim murez: and that may have changed since Tuesday. When I put this together. Monday. When I put this together. 189 00:19:53.110 --> 00:19:59.810 jim murez: Other than that, I think that's everybody. So let's approve that i'm your budget advocate. Rep. 190 00:20:01.360 --> 00:20:04.270 jim murez: Okay, just so you know. 191 00:20:09.080 --> 00:20:11.300 jim murez: Yeah, that makes perfect sense. 192 00:20:11.320 --> 00:20:14.820 jim murez: definitely. Well, at least to speak. She has a lot of 193 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:19.220 jim murez: of of understanding about some of these people. 194 00:20:19.940 --> 00:20:22.639 Daffodil Tyminski: sure, I believe, Lisa, you go ahead and speak 195 00:20:25.050 --> 00:20:33.190 Lisa Redmond: I really don't because everything's so brand new. But I did just call the account. The Supervisor's office the other day, and was told that Zach is still 196 00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:34.550 Lisa Redmond: the person 197 00:20:35.140 --> 00:20:39.780 jim murez: interesting because he actually sent me an email and said he's not 198 00:20:40.070 --> 00:20:53.840 Lisa Redmond: that's yeah. Well, i'm just telling you what they told me 2 days ago on the phone. Maybe something changed, or he's just there for transition till they hire someone new, I don't know, but I was told to contact him. 199 00:20:54.270 --> 00:20:59.089 Lisa Redmond: I don't understand how J. Is the Budget advocate, because I don't remember the 200 00:20:59.330 --> 00:21:03.570 Lisa Redmond: people. The board, taking a vote to make him the new budget advocate. 201 00:21:03.920 --> 00:21:12.289 Lisa Redmond: Yeah, that's an appointment by me. But that's okay. 202 00:21:12.350 --> 00:21:15.709 Lisa Redmond: I really think you guys need to change that thing about 203 00:21:15.740 --> 00:21:24.520 Lisa Redmond: asking people to send in comments or questions for the police and fire reports 72 h in advance but then you don't post 204 00:21:24.730 --> 00:21:30.140 Lisa Redmond: the agenda till 72 h in advance. It really makes you look foolish. 205 00:21:30.340 --> 00:21:33.479 Lisa Redmond: and I really think that you can compile questions 206 00:21:33.730 --> 00:21:36.150 Lisa Redmond: within 24 h 207 00:21:36.870 --> 00:21:41.000 Lisa Redmond: unless you start getting 50 questions, then it's problematic. But. 208 00:21:41.210 --> 00:21:50.530 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa, we've tried to communicate this to you numerous times. That is the request of the law enforcement agencies. They have put the 72 h rule on not us. 209 00:21:50.540 --> 00:22:02.760 Lisa Redmond: Okay, Again and again, I I almost i'm communicating this to me I was never told that. Okay, that makes sense. Then maybe you should have a up like it's statement on the website. 210 00:22:04.750 --> 00:22:22.820 Lisa Redmond: Okay, saying saying that questions can be taken in advance. 211 00:22:22.830 --> 00:22:31.189 jim murez: All right committee reports. I think we still have all the same committees. Nothing's changed their 212 00:22:31.610 --> 00:22:34.389 jim murez: seeking community officer 213 00:22:35.410 --> 00:22:41.180 jim murez: to chair. Yeah, we are seeking the the we are seeking one. 214 00:22:41.560 --> 00:22:44.980 jim murez: so i'm not understanding Liz's point. 215 00:22:45.950 --> 00:22:53.150 Daffodil Tyminski: Liz was pointing out that there was an inconsistency between the Adcom agenda where you had on there. Appoint somebody 216 00:22:53.390 --> 00:22:56.599 Daffodil Tyminski: and the board agenda, where you say you are seeking someone. 217 00:22:57.180 --> 00:23:02.410 jim murez: That's all. 218 00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:05.509 jim murez: I don't know if I've been on the on the call yet or not. 219 00:23:05.660 --> 00:23:11.169 jim murez: but but the process, as I understand it, is. 220 00:23:12.810 --> 00:23:15.809 jim murez: the individual has to first be 221 00:23:16.280 --> 00:23:19.270 jim murez: nominated by Adcom. 222 00:23:19.660 --> 00:23:20.970 jim murez: and then 223 00:23:20.990 --> 00:23:22.520 jim murez: the Board 224 00:23:23.950 --> 00:23:32.520 jim murez: rules on them. They make, they make the actual appointment, and all I'm saying is, we're still looking for somebody that we can nominate to that position 225 00:23:32.950 --> 00:23:40.739 Daffodil Tyminski: in. My report 226 00:23:40.930 --> 00:23:46.660 Daffodil Tyminski: was incorrect, because it was presupposing. We had a candidate when we don't 227 00:23:46.770 --> 00:23:57.419 Daffodil Tyminski: this statement right so it's either one or the other. I think we we dismissed it in the add-com agenda. So we're fine. And I think now this is correct. 228 00:23:58.840 --> 00:24:05.749 jim murez: And and just to address this this other point I will put in here. 229 00:24:06.040 --> 00:24:06.810 Okay. 230 00:24:07.770 --> 00:24:12.259 jim murez: which I was going to do, anyway, but I wasn't going to make a note of it. 231 00:24:17.060 --> 00:24:22.269 Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa. I'm going to mute you. 232 00:24:25.970 --> 00:24:34.849 jim murez: Okay, moving right along. So i'm going to also propose that we include Number 9 233 00:24:34.970 --> 00:24:39.639 jim murez: and Number 10 and number 11, and number 12, 234 00:24:39.710 --> 00:24:43.440 jim murez: number 13, number 14, number 235 00:24:43.760 --> 00:24:51.389 jim murez: 15. We will stop at 14, so we can talk about consent items. So items one through 14 236 00:24:51.410 --> 00:24:54.409 jim murez: can I get up? 237 00:24:54.840 --> 00:24:59.480 jim murez: Thank you. I'm just going to put my note in here. 238 00:24:59.930 --> 00:25:01.990 jim murez: one through 14, 239 00:25:06.140 --> 00:25:13.550 jim murez: and that was, and we still have to take a vote 240 00:25:13.830 --> 00:25:16.930 jim murez: and let's take public comment on that. Now. 241 00:25:19.020 --> 00:25:21.210 Daffodil Tyminski: Helen Fallon. Go ahead. 242 00:25:22.760 --> 00:25:31.640 Helen Fallon: Yeah. where is the November? Because I think the report doesn't tie into the Mers not to mention that we didn't even have a meeting. So 243 00:25:32.440 --> 00:25:33.030 Helen Fallon: Oh. 244 00:25:33.470 --> 00:25:41.390 Helen Fallon: it's all very confusing, and there's a few statements in the report that seem to indicate as if decisions are being made unilaterally by the treasurer. 245 00:25:42.890 --> 00:25:44.829 Helen Fallon: I don't quite understand it. 246 00:25:45.090 --> 00:25:49.369 Helen Fallon: and i'd like to know we need to be caught up on the 247 00:25:50.730 --> 00:25:55.289 jay handal: so. I believe that there's 2 more that hang on 1 s. J: Hang on 248 00:25:56.860 --> 00:25:58.120 jim murez: Helen, Were you done? 249 00:26:00.360 --> 00:26:14.190 jim murez: Yes, okay, Thank you. do we have any other public comment? No, no hands raised, Jim, I would close public comment. Okay, Public comment is closed. let me scroll back up 250 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:16.340 jim murez: the My. 251 00:26:17.270 --> 00:26:24.979 jim murez: put on here, both of the links. They're both posted on the website. I believe they're on the board's website. 252 00:26:25.850 --> 00:26:29.130 jim murez: under additional supporting documents. And 253 00:26:29.770 --> 00:26:31.910 jim murez: Jay, Did you understand the question? 254 00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:42.309 jay handal: No clue? I just heard I was being accused of doing something wrong. So let me back up, Helen. Can you just explain what your question was, so we can get it right? 255 00:26:42.460 --> 00:26:58.670 Helen Fallon: No, I wanted to know where the November is. It's out. It's should be out there's no reason not to. But on the okay. Let me find out. Thank you. The November is not generated yet, because there are receipts still coming in. 256 00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:04.239 jay handal: and as long as there are receipts outstanding, they will not allow it to be generated. 257 00:27:04.290 --> 00:27:11.839 jay handal: I have asked the committee members to submit their receipts so that we could get the November more printed. 258 00:27:12.110 --> 00:27:12.870 jim murez: Okay. 259 00:27:13.200 --> 00:27:20.399 jim murez: Thank you? Jay. okay. So let's do we? We do. We have any other committee comment on items, one through 14, 260 00:27:23.060 --> 00:27:26.240 jim murez: seeing none. Let's take a vote. 261 00:27:34.380 --> 00:27:36.200 jim murez: So this is a Yes. 262 00:27:42.380 --> 00:27:44.540 jay handal: And J. How do you guess? 263 00:27:45.350 --> 00:27:47.150 jim murez: And Jason, how do you vote? 264 00:27:47.210 --> 00:27:48.020 Jason Sugars: Yes. 265 00:27:48.550 --> 00:27:51.900 jim murez: Great and I both. Yes, so it's unanimous. 266 00:27:56.790 --> 00:28:00.109 jim murez: It's for 267 00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:08.580 okay. 268 00:28:09.270 --> 00:28:26.680 jim murez: general consent. So now here we're on the general consent. We have several items on the Consent calendar. this first one is a parking and transportation. It was well written. It seems to have all of the information here. There's several things that they want to improve on Abbot Kenny. 269 00:28:27.290 --> 00:28:33.340 jim murez: the next one is a 5 0 0 vote for keeping 270 00:28:33.530 --> 00:28:36.509 jim murez: the sidewalks clear on 271 00:28:36.670 --> 00:28:42.119 jim murez: flower in the 700 block for Ada access 272 00:28:42.810 --> 00:28:47.630 jim murez: the next one. No, and that's it, though the those are the 2 over. Wait. 273 00:28:47.860 --> 00:28:50.510 jim murez: Let me just see something very quickly. 274 00:28:52.040 --> 00:28:53.450 jim murez: Oh, well. 275 00:28:53.510 --> 00:28:54.920 jim murez: I think 276 00:28:55.290 --> 00:28:57.120 jim murez: some of these. 277 00:28:58.870 --> 00:29:03.810 jim murez: What is the vote on this. Yeah, so there may be these other 2 also. These came in late. 278 00:29:06.410 --> 00:29:09.670 jim murez: The homeless Committee had a 7 0 0 279 00:29:10.290 --> 00:29:13.800 jim murez: before the then a favorite counselor. 280 00:29:40.300 --> 00:29:45.589 jim murez: so we would just have to say up here not to. Therefore 281 00:29:46.830 --> 00:29:50.849 jim murez: i'm just editing this, so it's correct the Venus neighborhood, so 282 00:29:51.340 --> 00:29:54.079 that actually it's the board of officers. 283 00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.929 jim murez: because I could say 284 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:02.479 jim murez: then, that looks about right. 285 00:30:03.100 --> 00:30:07.430 jim murez: Okay. So 26 could theoretically go on the 286 00:30:08.500 --> 00:30:10.939 jim murez: And what's the difference between these 2 287 00:30:11.770 --> 00:30:18.590 jim murez: secure secure. Oh, they must have sent it in twice, and I didn't notice that, so we'll take this one off 288 00:30:19.270 --> 00:30:23.050 jim murez: the agenda completely, because this is a duplicate of the same motion. 289 00:30:31.860 --> 00:30:43.070 Daffodil Tyminski: So, Jim, just one issue with this is, I think, when we were trying to make sure we had quorum for Tuesday, people thought there was one item on the agenda. Now it looks like there's going to be a fairly robust agenda. 290 00:30:43.990 --> 00:30:50.780 jim murez: and these items all came in from committees, I mean. They all had their meetings, and they were all submitted. So you know 291 00:30:53.190 --> 00:30:57.859 jim murez: the the the big item is this one here which I don't think is controversial. 292 00:30:58.040 --> 00:31:06.819 jim murez: but I left it on the regular calendar. It's it's the restoration of the like. Our headquarters, I mean, I think, pretty much everybody's in agreement that 293 00:31:06.890 --> 00:31:09.569 jim murez: we want the city to take a position that 294 00:31:09.800 --> 00:31:11.990 jim murez: it's their land. It's not 295 00:31:12.280 --> 00:31:18.480 jim murez: the counties land, but you know I think this will be a fairly quick item. I don't know I don't see any. 296 00:31:19.900 --> 00:31:27.600 jim murez: I don't see any controversial now that i'm reading the homeless one that could be something that some people say no. We don't want to tell the city to create lockers. 297 00:31:27.720 --> 00:31:35.609 jim murez: but that may take a little bit of time. We also have the selection of the Board officer. But there's only one person. So it's really just an affirmation. 298 00:31:35.780 --> 00:31:39.720 jim murez: right? I think the Lifeguard Tower is going to take more time than you think? 299 00:31:39.920 --> 00:31:40.970 jim murez: Okay? 300 00:31:45.550 --> 00:31:46.760 jim murez: And then we have 301 00:31:46.840 --> 00:31:49.600 jim murez: 3 items that that 302 00:31:50.590 --> 00:31:51.690 jim murez: we're all. 303 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:55.859 jim murez: you know. 6 0 0 in land use. 304 00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:01.339 jim murez: There should be very quick, too. But you know who knows? 305 00:32:02.080 --> 00:32:07.089 jim murez: I I mean I don't know what to say. We have an agenda. We have a responsibility to to handle it. 306 00:32:07.370 --> 00:32:10.670 jim murez: I would say that the items that are all 307 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:12.020 jim murez: voted 308 00:32:12.060 --> 00:32:14.240 jim murez: unanimously on the committees 309 00:32:16.810 --> 00:32:20.029 jim murez: should go on consent unless somebody wants to take them off. 310 00:32:20.300 --> 00:32:23.589 jim murez: So we would have item 16, 311 00:32:24.130 --> 00:32:26.040 jim murez: item 17. 312 00:32:31.040 --> 00:32:39.070 Daffodil Tyminski: I i'm just saying 2 things. and now I've I've kind of lost track of what our motion on the table was which numbers did we? 313 00:32:39.110 --> 00:32:41.299 jim murez: We don't. We don't have a motion. 314 00:32:41.400 --> 00:32:43.500 Daffodil Tyminski: I I think one I I 315 00:32:43.630 --> 00:32:59.469 Daffodil Tyminski: I do think, per Liz's comment. It's problematic that we post one agenda. That is the sort of putative board agenda with the outcome agenda, and then it completely changes. By the time we get to adcom I get that stuff comes in late, but I think we just push it to the next month 316 00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:07.549 Daffodil Tyminski: right rather than I mean. We already backed up Adcom quite 4 days to allow for more things to get on this agenda. 317 00:33:09.220 --> 00:33:11.890 jim murez: you know. The only thing that came in on time 318 00:33:12.450 --> 00:33:16.219 jim murez: based on what you're saying now was the Life Card Tower 319 00:33:16.540 --> 00:33:24.470 Daffodil Tyminski: Right well. I I think part of the reason for that is, people, I think, thought based on the earlier meetings that we were going to have a December meeting 320 00:33:24.860 --> 00:33:35.580 jim murez: right? So I I I I made that very clear 2 weeks ago. I don't know if you saw the email, but I sent it out a message 2 weeks ago, saying we were having it. Get your items in. 321 00:33:36.570 --> 00:33:41.680 Daffodil Tyminski: I got you, but I I i'm. I guess i'm saying, i'm not sure. This is so urgent. 322 00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:45.119 Daffodil Tyminski: because I mean it is important. But it's. 323 00:33:45.340 --> 00:33:50.600 Daffodil Tyminski: you know we've we've created this situation where now there's like no rules. 324 00:33:50.720 --> 00:33:57.950 Daffodil Tyminski: right? We have the standing rule that we don't follow. We have, you know, and I get that the standing rules may conflict a little bit. But 325 00:33:58.150 --> 00:34:07.219 Daffodil Tyminski: I just I find this problematic, and I I think this particular meeting. It's going to highlight it, because in trying to get form, because a lot of people are traveling next week. 326 00:34:07.390 --> 00:34:12.939 Daffodil Tyminski: One thing I've at least been telling people is we're only gonna have one item so like please make every effort to attend. 327 00:34:13.409 --> 00:34:23.520 jim murez: We can push them all off. I mean, I just feel like we're shrugging our responsibilities and adding more on January. But we're going to be having, you know. Election stuff going on, too. 328 00:34:27.130 --> 00:34:31.289 jim murez: the parking and transportation stuff. Well, you know I don't know. 329 00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.709 jim murez: Let let let let's 330 00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.180 Daffodil Tyminski: what. Why, Don't. We make the motion 331 00:34:39.250 --> 00:34:40.269 and all that 332 00:34:41.010 --> 00:34:44.360 Daffodil Tyminski: to approve the one that came in on time. 333 00:34:44.989 --> 00:34:48.580 Daffodil Tyminski: and then let's make a second motion for everything else, and we can discuss it 334 00:34:49.830 --> 00:34:53.680 Daffodil Tyminski: right, because the lifeguards whether that should be on the agendas, I think not. Controversial. 335 00:34:53.830 --> 00:34:54.589 Daffodil Tyminski: right? 336 00:34:55.420 --> 00:35:02.940 jim murez: Well, yeah, no, that was. That's definitely part of it. But you know this whole thing about the standing rule that Elizabeth was pointing out. 337 00:35:03.990 --> 00:35:07.789 jim murez: The President also has the ability to be able to modify 338 00:35:08.020 --> 00:35:09.069 jim murez: the agenda. 339 00:35:09.870 --> 00:35:16.029 jim murez: and that's also in the that's also in the bylaws of the standing rules. So I understand, which is why I suggested that the rules 340 00:35:16.060 --> 00:35:17.000 Daffodil Tyminski: conflict. 341 00:35:17.170 --> 00:35:22.270 Daffodil Tyminski: and that's a problem. But is it if it's a problem shouldn't we error on the side of 342 00:35:22.610 --> 00:35:36.160 jim murez: question, more transparency or caution? Or however you want to say it I mean, we're still posting the agenda for the board 72 h in advance there's nothing non transparent about it. We're not here to discuss the items other than to say. 343 00:35:36.230 --> 00:35:41.239 jim murez: are the items complete. And if the items complete, it belongs on the calendar. 344 00:35:41.840 --> 00:36:05.250 Daffodil Tyminski: That's what havecom's been tasked to do. Okay, so let's let's have the discussion, though in a proper way. Right. Let's the one my my suggestion is for the item that's non-controversial, which is the lifeguard tower. Yes, let's make a motion to add that to the agenda you would like to. We try to miss this. I believe it's we're taking this out of order. Now I believe that's number. 345 00:36:05.390 --> 00:36:06.560 jim murez: I think. 346 00:36:06.900 --> 00:36:08.829 jim murez: 25. 347 00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:31.280 jay handal: It's this one right here. But this is the agenda already here. This was our yeah, this was public Board. This was published on Monday. Yeah, let me let me chime in because you guys are having a great discussion. But but can we have the discussion in the context of a proper motion. Just so, we have some context for it, because I think I move. I move we just to move the agenda and take it to the board, and anyone on the board who wants to remove anything 348 00:36:31.310 --> 00:36:34.799 jay handal: can can remove it. If it was on this agenda. 349 00:36:34.860 --> 00:36:47.830 jay handal: our job is really stupid. Anyway, our job is only to approve what is put in front of us on the agenda. No addition. J: this this is the only item that was on the board agenda that was posted 350 00:36:48.490 --> 00:36:49.930 Daffodil Tyminski: is number 25. 351 00:36:50.020 --> 00:37:03.740 jay handal: That's what the tenor of the discussion is. So i'm going to make a motion that we move. Item: 25 to the Tuesday board agenda. I second it. 352 00:37:04.250 --> 00:37:12.410 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay. So let's take some public comment. Have a discussion on that which should be quick. And then I suggest we deal. Is that's the only one. Jim. Right? 353 00:37:12.740 --> 00:37:18.310 jim murez: Yeah, that's the only item that was on there before tonight. 354 00:37:18.770 --> 00:37:19.979 Daffodil Tyminski: So let's 355 00:37:20.130 --> 00:37:31.179 Daffodil Tyminski: Let's have a quick discussion about this, and then we can get into the deeper discussion about everything else. i'm going to go ahead and take public comment. Okay, Lisa, go ahead. 356 00:37:35.060 --> 00:37:45.170 Lisa Redmond: Lisa. You're going to need to unmute yourself because I muted you because there was some background. Talk okay? Sorry about that I didn't know you weren't muting any more. So sorry about that. Apologize earlier. 357 00:37:45.240 --> 00:37:49.669 Lisa Redmond: I want to clarify that you are moving this to the agenda and not consent. 358 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:58.440 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, this is being put on the board agenda 359 00:37:59.950 --> 00:38:01.939 Daffodil Tyminski: also how, and you may need to unmute yourself. 360 00:38:05.560 --> 00:38:07.889 Helen Fallon: I myself agreeing here with Jim. 361 00:38:08.090 --> 00:38:13.239 Helen Fallon: these items were submitted. The purpose of AD-com is to schedule 362 00:38:13.710 --> 00:38:19.770 Helen Fallon: to basically go. Well, we don't really want to do a whole lot of work on Tuesday 363 00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:26.690 Helen Fallon: there could have been other options that were done, like, you know, moving the board, meeting up like my vista did with theirs. 364 00:38:28.240 --> 00:38:30.069 Helen Fallon: so it's a little 365 00:38:30.650 --> 00:38:31.800 Helen Fallon: it it's just 366 00:38:32.400 --> 00:38:36.910 Helen Fallon: mind boggling that you're disgusting. Well, let's just put it all on for another month. 367 00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:38.850 Helen Fallon: because well, it was. 368 00:38:39.830 --> 00:38:48.560 Helen Fallon: This is a draft and draft can be created in the the argument that we don't want to be bothered because we don't want any work on Tuesday. Well, then. 369 00:38:48.580 --> 00:38:52.510 Helen Fallon: if that's the case. Maybe people are going to be showing up, and you want to. 370 00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:59.829 Helen Fallon: I'd like to know what happened to the motions that ended up not getting voted on at the last meeting at the last special meeting. 371 00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:05.169 Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen. Robin, Go ahead. 372 00:39:08.850 --> 00:39:09.629 Daffodil Tyminski: Robin. 373 00:39:09.940 --> 00:39:11.840 Robin Murez: Hi! Sorry 374 00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.810 Robin Murez: Whichever way you choose to go. I think the 375 00:39:15.910 --> 00:39:16.959 Robin Murez: motion 376 00:39:17.020 --> 00:39:19.369 Robin Murez: for the life card tower, which was 377 00:39:19.580 --> 00:39:23.190 Robin Murez: timely filed should be the first item that would be heard. 378 00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:25.239 Robin Murez: because it was first 379 00:39:25.330 --> 00:39:27.539 Robin Murez: one that was definitely timely. 380 00:39:27.590 --> 00:39:29.359 Robin Murez: and 381 00:39:31.050 --> 00:39:41.800 Robin Murez: if you know, I just also mentioned Daffodil, you have said that you had questions, and I wish you would please contact me. you know I think we can have a more 382 00:39:42.090 --> 00:39:44.989 Robin Murez: comprehensive discussion of items if 383 00:39:45.170 --> 00:39:47.589 Robin Murez: board members are in touch. 384 00:39:47.670 --> 00:39:50.859 Robin Murez: you know. I put it out there to all the board. 385 00:39:51.040 --> 00:39:54.470 Robin Murez: So I think we need to have some better communications. 386 00:39:54.700 --> 00:39:58.459 Robin Murez: and besides that, you know 387 00:39:58.600 --> 00:40:02.610 Robin Murez: that's not overload things, but it needs to be done properly. 388 00:40:03.290 --> 00:40:04.569 Robin Murez: So whatever. 389 00:40:05.570 --> 00:40:06.820 Robin Murez: So bye bye. 390 00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:07.920 Daffodil Tyminski: thanks, Robin. 391 00:40:08.870 --> 00:40:10.950 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay. With that we'll close public comment. 392 00:40:12.410 --> 00:40:19.339 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay. 393 00:40:21.110 --> 00:40:23.719 jay handal: okay. So this is my film 394 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:28.079 jim murez: the way we're we're talking about this one item Number 20 395 00:40:28.490 --> 00:40:33.659 jim murez: 5 on the agenda. That's right. And that's all i'm talking about. Okay. 396 00:40:34.650 --> 00:40:38.899 jay handal: This is the item that came in in a timely manner that was posted. 397 00:40:39.040 --> 00:40:45.659 jay handal: Anything that wasn't posted was not visible by the general public or the rest of the board. 398 00:40:46.150 --> 00:40:49.990 jay handal: So Adcom's job is to take that which was posted 399 00:40:50.130 --> 00:41:07.790 jay handal: and go ahead and approve it to go to the board agenda, and that's all I come should be doing so. I I certainly agree that this item should be there. It should be upfront. It should be taken care of, and then we should go home, and it's not a case of we don't want to work hard. It's a case of 400 00:41:07.980 --> 00:41:09.289 jay handal: There's a brown act. 401 00:41:09.860 --> 00:41:13.349 jay handal: There is visibility. There's transparency. 402 00:41:13.590 --> 00:41:17.400 jay handal: So on one side people accuse us of not being transparent. 403 00:41:17.690 --> 00:41:21.079 jay handal: and on the other side they accused us to be in slackers. 404 00:41:21.370 --> 00:41:23.279 jay handal: so you can't win. 405 00:41:23.560 --> 00:41:38.909 jay handal: So, based on the fact, you can't win in an abundance of caution and legality. Okay, anything that wasn't posted we shouldn't be dealing with. It's just that simple. That's the brown act, and the standing rules cannot supersede the brown act. 406 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:43.529 jim murez: So J. I'd like to respond to that. 407 00:41:43.630 --> 00:41:46.959 jim murez: The Brown Act says that if you're going to hear an item 408 00:41:47.290 --> 00:41:51.300 jim murez: you have to post it 72 h in advance. 409 00:41:51.600 --> 00:41:57.079 jim murez: We're not hearing these items. We're hearing creating an agenda to hear the. 410 00:41:57.300 --> 00:42:05.090 jim murez: and there's a tremendous difference. This is committee is tasked with creating the agenda. 411 00:42:05.100 --> 00:42:21.290 jim murez: It's not tasked with hearing any of the items. As a matter of fact, we're not supposed to discuss the content or the merit of the item Only is it complete, so it can go on the agenda. We don't have to share that with the public before tonight. 412 00:42:22.040 --> 00:42:28.379 jay handal: So i'm i'm gonna disagree with you and tell you in your section one section 8, one a. 413 00:42:28.600 --> 00:42:38.839 jay handal: You know. The purpose of this committee is to set the agenda for the board of offices and stakeholder meetings. You set that agenda by posting it 414 00:42:39.010 --> 00:42:54.640 jay handal: as an agenda. Item what you're saying that but it doesn't say that anywhere in the brown act it doesn't say that anywhere in the in the in the rules we're in the bylaws. Well, again, i'm gonna completely disagree because I am. I believe in transparency. 415 00:42:54.670 --> 00:43:01.109 jay handal: I don't believe that any item that just gets thrown in the night of an event. 416 00:43:01.310 --> 00:43:08.739 jim murez: Okay to set an agenda. Then J. Let me interrupt you. You are supporting the concept of having an adcom committee. 417 00:43:09.160 --> 00:43:14.340 jay handal: No, I I want the edcom committee to go away quite frankly. And why is that? 418 00:43:14.530 --> 00:43:21.589 jim murez: Because I think it's useless? But that's the only thing it does is set the sequence and the and whether or not. The item is complete. 419 00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:33.750 jay handal: and you know what the Bo that it's not sharing the content you're we're not doing it, but you. But you are sharing the content when you post the link to the content. 420 00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:39.149 jim murez: So by that Well, we're sharing a link to a draft copy. 421 00:43:39.890 --> 00:43:48.089 jay handal: we can agree to disagree, Jim. I'm going to vote against anything else going on tonight, because I think it's a mistake. 422 00:43:48.170 --> 00:43:54.070 jay handal: and I think i'd like to get further clarification from from the city attorney, and done 423 00:43:54.120 --> 00:44:10.100 jim murez: because I believe that it violates the Brown act by doing it on a monthly basis. I've already had the conversation, but we can get it from him in writing. I'd like to get it in writing with it. By the way, this has always been the procedure of the Vnc. They have no it Hasn't 424 00:44:10.110 --> 00:44:21.910 jay handal: I I no, I nobody called on you, Ivan. I I cross red lights every day but that doesn't mean i'm doing it legally 425 00:44:22.300 --> 00:44:24.810 Ivan: the meeting 426 00:44:25.460 --> 00:44:26.229 jim murez: I am. 427 00:44:28.500 --> 00:44:30.369 jay handal: anyway. You know where my vote is. 428 00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:32.740 jim murez: Yes, okay, definitely. You have your hand up. 429 00:44:33.710 --> 00:44:34.459 Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry. 430 00:44:35.270 --> 00:44:38.000 Daffodil Tyminski: I agree that atcom serves no purpose. 431 00:44:38.300 --> 00:44:40.959 Daffodil Tyminski: but we have atom better or worse. 432 00:44:41.450 --> 00:44:46.139 Daffodil Tyminski: And the the problem I have with this and i'm not a stickler for formality, but 433 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:49.390 Daffodil Tyminski: in terms of the brown act. I I think 434 00:44:50.110 --> 00:45:03.000 Daffodil Tyminski: you know, if if the purpose of Addcom is to determine whether the items complete, or whether it's been vetted, or whether it should go to the board agenda. If the public doesn't know that this is out there, and it's a possibility. 435 00:45:03.010 --> 00:45:11.669 Daffodil Tyminski: they are then deprived of the opportunity to opine, or weigh in as to whether they think it's a complete or should go, or shouldn't go, that's the problem. 436 00:45:11.860 --> 00:45:22.210 Daffodil Tyminski: So I I agree that it like. If I If I ran the Zoo right, we would get rid of Adcom anything that had, you know, past committee would just go on the agenda 437 00:45:22.510 --> 00:45:33.739 Daffodil Tyminski: and I think many, many neighborhood councils do it that way, and I think they all seem to work fine. but for better or worse, we've created this extra layer of bureaucracy, and I think if 438 00:45:33.750 --> 00:45:43.230 Daffodil Tyminski: we've created it, we have to at least honor it within the Brown act. I don't think that the way we're doing. This is brown at compliant. I haven't had that conversation with the city. 439 00:45:43.630 --> 00:45:57.809 Daffodil Tyminski: and obviously we're not off this topic of this motion. I mean I support this motion. But it just makes me really concerned, because month after month people say we had no idea this was going to come up on the board agenda because they looked at the Adcom agenda. 440 00:45:58.270 --> 00:46:03.289 jim murez: and none of the items were on there. So maybe we answer, is just not to post the board's agenda. 441 00:46:04.560 --> 00:46:08.639 Daffodil Tyminski: I don't know what the answer is, although again I will say. 442 00:46:08.690 --> 00:46:15.820 Daffodil Tyminski: you know we already created an extra 4 days for people to get stuff in if they felt it was absolutely necessary to be heard. 443 00:46:16.100 --> 00:46:17.910 Daffodil Tyminski: and 444 00:46:18.420 --> 00:46:19.830 Daffodil Tyminski: you know, so 445 00:46:20.700 --> 00:46:25.529 Daffodil Tyminski: the Board has been able to function like this for years. I'm not sure why. 446 00:46:26.050 --> 00:46:35.740 jim murez: You know I I appreciate wanting to do things quickly and be responsive 447 00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.269 jim murez: Monday. No. On the Tuesday night 448 00:46:39.600 --> 00:46:42.310 jim murez: that the 449 00:46:42.780 --> 00:46:48.249 jim murez: they came forward they followed the Adcom meeting of the the deadline for Adc. 450 00:46:48.590 --> 00:46:54.059 jim murez: And and Ira always put it on when I was on Lupeck for 12 years. 451 00:46:54.100 --> 00:46:58.499 jim murez: As soon as the committee heard it, it would go on the following board's agenda. 452 00:46:58.540 --> 00:47:09.889 jim murez: I'm just telling you this is how it's been done for 20 years, and and you know, look it it again. I don't I don't. I don't know. Items are also pulled off of that draft. 453 00:47:10.170 --> 00:47:13.240 jim murez: and that's the same thing. If you're saying you got a draft. 454 00:47:13.620 --> 00:47:21.250 jim murez: you know, and you're gonna stick to it 100. Then there's no point in doing any of this, and I don't disagree that there 455 00:47:21.700 --> 00:47:24.800 jim murez: is a reason to do it. I mean I I think it's a waste of time. 456 00:47:24.850 --> 00:47:33.509 jim murez: but the reality of it is we've always pulled items off and based on what Jay said, that you know we're locked into it. 457 00:47:33.650 --> 00:47:42.240 jim murez: Then we can't change anything. J. None of your mer reports and your Treasury report can't be on the board's agenda. You didn't get them in before Monday. 458 00:47:43.290 --> 00:48:02.310 jim murez: so i'm just saying, i'm i'm good with that you know, when the city gives it to me, I give it to you. If it's too late, I hear you it's still before the board's meeting, and I think we have time to be able to hear. I want to give. I've been there's several people that have had their hands up. Can we take a vote on this item before we continue this discussion. I think it's a good discussion. 459 00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:17.680 jim murez: After we're done with this discussion we should be able to get through whatever we have left fairly quickly. Let's take a vote on this now, and come back to the discussion. Iv. And I will call on you in a minute, and I would also like to call on Liz and Cj. Because they both had their hands up to, and we're going to get into that second. 460 00:48:17.930 --> 00:48:19.299 jim murez: So 461 00:48:19.410 --> 00:48:20.410 jim murez: Let me 462 00:48:20.710 --> 00:48:22.510 jim murez: call for the vote here. 463 00:48:25.010 --> 00:48:28.319 jim murez: And this is on item Number 25 only. 464 00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:31.130 jim murez: Okay. 465 00:48:31.340 --> 00:48:33.969 jim murez: how do you 466 00:48:34.170 --> 00:48:35.120 jim murez: jay 467 00:48:36.440 --> 00:48:37.690 jim murez: can't hear you? 468 00:48:39.250 --> 00:48:41.470 jim murez: He put his thumb up. 469 00:48:41.930 --> 00:48:43.619 jim murez: and Jason 470 00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:44.979 Jason Sugars: voting. Yes. 471 00:48:45.010 --> 00:48:48.699 jim murez: thank you, Jason Jay. Could you just confirm that verbally? 472 00:48:53.140 --> 00:48:54.709 jay handal: Yes, thank you. 473 00:48:54.920 --> 00:48:57.309 jim murez: So that carries 474 00:48:57.720 --> 00:49:00.650 jim murez: 4 0, 0. I'm voting. Yes, also. 475 00:49:03.400 --> 00:49:10.089 jim murez: Okay. So that's now on the board's agenda. Now let's return back to this discussion about the rest of the items, because 476 00:49:10.180 --> 00:49:18.310 jim murez: other than the selecting of the board officer. What was on there? None of this other stuff was there. 477 00:49:20.310 --> 00:49:24.789 jim murez: I don't even remember I would have to go back and look. Let me just quickly look. 478 00:49:25.070 --> 00:49:26.779 jim murez: I don't recall 479 00:49:28.120 --> 00:49:29.640 jim murez: if the 480 00:49:31.250 --> 00:49:35.070 jim murez: where it was. no, it wasn't even here it was. It was on.com. 481 00:49:51.450 --> 00:49:56.229 jim murez: So we're approving the prior minutes nominating 482 00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:01.930 jim murez: for draft. So this was this one, and if I click on this link. 483 00:50:06.940 --> 00:50:09.010 jim murez: so what was on here 484 00:50:12.890 --> 00:50:15.500 jim murez: outstanding minutes 485 00:50:19.210 --> 00:50:23.240 jim murez: creation of election committee. Wise! Did I get the wrong link? 486 00:50:24.910 --> 00:50:26.770 Wait a minute. This is no phone. 487 00:50:31.420 --> 00:50:34.199 jim murez: you know, supporting documents. Here we go 488 00:50:34.850 --> 00:50:36.350 for traffic jams. 489 00:50:47.630 --> 00:50:52.110 jim murez: Oh, so this part of the Treasures report was there, neither of them your reports. 490 00:50:52.730 --> 00:50:57.359 jim murez: And then there were no other items other than the selection of the Board officer 491 00:50:57.590 --> 00:50:59.809 jim murez: and the restoration of 492 00:51:00.460 --> 00:51:02.900 jim murez: Yeah. So those are the only items. Okay. 493 00:51:03.290 --> 00:51:05.740 jim murez: Now let's go back to our discussion. 494 00:51:06.030 --> 00:51:07.899 jim murez: Yeah, Ivan, you Wanna 495 00:51:08.230 --> 00:51:09.189 jim murez: speak. 496 00:51:09.390 --> 00:51:10.970 jim murez: Go ahead and give yourself. 497 00:51:11.380 --> 00:51:15.090 Daffodil Tyminski: Should we make a motion to include the balance of the 498 00:51:15.650 --> 00:51:20.169 Daffodil Tyminski: items on here on the board agenda and have a 499 00:51:20.530 --> 00:51:28.189 Daffodil Tyminski: alright, so it's staff, and i'll make a motion to include the remaining items on this draft board agenda on the Tuesday 500 00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:30.099 Daffodil Tyminski: board meeting agenda. 501 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:37.499 jim murez: Okay, so what I do. Hold Hold on, Hold on! Yeah, I'm just trying to figure that out. 502 00:51:37.530 --> 00:51:45.200 jim murez: Yes, I gotta make a list, because there's 503 00:51:46.090 --> 00:51:48.410 jim murez: Oh, okay, 15, 504 00:51:49.320 --> 00:51:50.950 jim murez: 24 505 00:51:51.070 --> 00:51:53.419 jim murez: and then 26. 506 00:51:54.380 --> 00:51:56.270 jim murez: How many was the end? 507 00:51:59.160 --> 00:52:02.029 jim murez: 26 through 508 00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:04.250 jim murez: 29, 509 00:52:04.520 --> 00:52:06.040 Jason Sugars: I second the motion 510 00:52:07.240 --> 00:52:09.180 jim murez: and daffodil made it. 511 00:52:10.070 --> 00:52:11.390 jim murez: And 512 00:52:11.440 --> 00:52:12.609 jim murez: Jason 513 00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:15.759 jim murez: seconded. 514 00:52:17.450 --> 00:52:21.150 jim murez: and i'll make a note down here, just so you can keep track 515 00:52:24.950 --> 00:52:26.379 jim murez: approved 516 00:52:27.420 --> 00:52:30.950 jim murez: 15 through 24 517 00:52:31.450 --> 00:52:34.370 jim murez: and 26 through 518 00:52:34.650 --> 00:52:36.029 $20. 519 00:52:43.330 --> 00:52:44.649 Let's take a look. 520 00:52:45.200 --> 00:52:47.940 jim murez: But let me come back up here 521 00:52:49.570 --> 00:52:50.589 that this one here? 522 00:52:50.700 --> 00:52:52.270 jim murez: Yeah, for sure. Okay. Good. 523 00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:55.209 jim murez: Okay. So we have a motion. 524 00:52:56.390 --> 00:53:00.110 jim murez: Let's go back to public comment. Now 525 00:53:00.180 --> 00:53:06.759 jim murez: on the motion. So the motion is to approve items 15 through 24, and actually a daffodil. 526 00:53:06.810 --> 00:53:10.849 jim murez: Since you made the motion, let me get some clarification. 527 00:53:10.870 --> 00:53:16.269 jim murez: There were 2 more reports that were also added above, that we already approved. 528 00:53:16.490 --> 00:53:19.669 jim murez: and based on the conversation that we had. 529 00:53:19.710 --> 00:53:21.930 jim murez: we really should be taking those off 530 00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:26.370 jim murez: and and going back and and reconsidering this earlier 531 00:53:29.620 --> 00:53:35.260 jim murez: this earlier decision for numbers 11 and 12 532 00:53:36.520 --> 00:53:40.170 Daffodil Tyminski: previously reported. sure, we can add those 2, 533 00:53:41.020 --> 00:53:42.129 jim murez: so 534 00:53:43.120 --> 00:53:53.439 jim murez: we'll have to to to go back and reconsider the previous both. But we can do that separately, but that was 11 and 12 would also then be 535 00:53:54.220 --> 00:53:59.750 jim murez: included in the motion that you're making. And Jason, would you second that? As well? 536 00:54:00.460 --> 00:54:01.500 Jason Sugars: Absolutely. 537 00:54:01.880 --> 00:54:02.770 Jason Sugars: Okay. 538 00:54:02.790 --> 00:54:08.239 jim murez: So now we have a motion. So everybody's real clear items 11 and 12, 539 00:54:08.510 --> 00:54:17.200 jim murez: 15, through 24 and 26 through 29, to be added to the board's agenda 540 00:54:17.240 --> 00:54:19.919 jim murez: for Tuesday. 541 00:54:20.540 --> 00:54:22.390 jim murez: September 20. 542 00:54:23.670 --> 00:54:29.900 jim murez: And now let's open public comments we have Ivan, Would you rather go first or last? 543 00:54:30.450 --> 00:54:33.370 Ivan: This is not what I want to talk about. 544 00:54:36.060 --> 00:54:36.979 jim murez: Okay. 545 00:54:40.380 --> 00:54:42.109 jim murez: We'll come back to you. Then. 546 00:54:42.140 --> 00:54:47.680 jim murez: when we get when we get down to items, not on the agenda, we we'll. We'll get back to that. 547 00:54:49.020 --> 00:54:50.060 jim murez: Okay. 548 00:54:50.430 --> 00:54:56.629 Daffodil Tyminski: alright, so why don't? We start with hands raised. Cj. Why don't you go first? 549 00:55:03.910 --> 00:55:04.799 Daffodil Tyminski: Cj. 550 00:55:10.660 --> 00:55:11.629 Daffodil Tyminski: Cj. 551 00:55:14.410 --> 00:55:17.120 CJ Cole: I was just waiting for you to give me the unmute. 552 00:55:17.520 --> 00:55:20.150 Daffodil Tyminski: Can you hear me now? I can go ahead 553 00:55:21.540 --> 00:55:27.089 CJ Cole: first of all, we have to also look at Number 14, 554 00:55:27.290 --> 00:55:30.689 CJ Cole: which is the consent calendar for land use and planning. 555 00:55:30.860 --> 00:55:36.799 CJ Cole: because I think those are some of the most important things that need to be on this 556 00:55:37.030 --> 00:55:56.470 CJ Cole: andcom agenda. Okay, so that is independent of my discussion of whatever we're talking about other than that. But there's no difference in the way land Use and planning should be handled than any other committee. If it's not in on time, it waits until it's supposed to be on. 557 00:55:56.500 --> 00:56:03.389 CJ Cole: Okay. And my other comment is is that we have rules, and if we can't stand by our roles we don't. Have. 558 00:56:03.470 --> 00:56:18.020 CJ Cole: We? We just Don't have rules, and whatever our rules say is what we should be doing. And if that needs to be changed, heaven help, we need to have a rules and selection committee again, and they need to address this as a committee. 559 00:56:18.310 --> 00:56:22.169 CJ Cole: but that's 2 items, and I guess that's what I have to say. 560 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:23.990 Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. Aj. 561 00:56:25.210 --> 00:56:28.990 Daffodil Tyminski: and that's the only hand for public comment, Jim. So we can close public comment. 562 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:36.799 jim murez: Okay? Oh, there's other hands popped up, or those yours. I don't know. It just shows up on my screen, and 2 hands are up. 563 00:56:36.860 --> 00:56:38.030 Daffodil Tyminski: That that's me. 564 00:56:38.190 --> 00:56:38.979 jim murez: Okay. 565 00:56:39.770 --> 00:56:41.020 it must be one other one. 566 00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:42.950 jim murez: Okay. 567 00:56:43.010 --> 00:56:45.800 jim murez: Okay, public comment is close. Go ahead. 568 00:56:45.900 --> 00:56:50.899 Daffodil Tyminski: So I just wanted to follow up on the conversation we were having in the previous item, which is 569 00:56:51.550 --> 00:56:55.540 Daffodil Tyminski: yes, in the past. We have added items to the agenda 570 00:56:55.830 --> 00:57:01.760 Daffodil Tyminski: last minute, but typically we've known it was coming, and there was a placeholder at Adcom 571 00:57:02.380 --> 00:57:12.919 Daffodil Tyminski: that we would put in there. So the board agenda that was disseminated to the public for the outcome meeting had some indication that an item was coming. Maybe we didn't know everything about it. 572 00:57:13.350 --> 00:57:20.369 Daffodil Tyminski: But people knew that this was out there because we are waiting for, you know, we would always know that committees were coming in last minute with stuff. 573 00:57:20.710 --> 00:57:30.249 Daffodil Tyminski: so it's not like we. Just just before the meeting fabricated a whole new agenda that no one knew anything about. And I think that's the problem. I mean, I can see. 574 00:57:30.450 --> 00:57:42.199 Daffodil Tyminski: you know, not letting perfect be the enemy of good and letting things move forward, and sometimes making a tweak last minute what you know if it's called for. But I think we have fallen into this this pattern 575 00:57:42.250 --> 00:57:47.439 Daffodil Tyminski: of just having, you know, no regard for the deadline. 576 00:57:47.670 --> 00:57:59.469 Daffodil Tyminski: And so when people, including the Board members right that don't go to the Edcom meeting, they think that there's going to be a board meeting with one or 2 things on it. And all of a sudden there's this whole long agenda that comes up 577 00:57:59.540 --> 00:58:09.150 Daffodil Tyminski: so that that's what I really think is the problem, and I do think it's a brown act problem that we as a board, have created, not us personally, but in Venice with this goofy adcom committee. 578 00:58:10.810 --> 00:58:14.710 Daffodil Tyminski: So I I I would suggest that we not include all this stuff, and we really 579 00:58:14.810 --> 00:58:17.020 Daffodil Tyminski: sit down with the city turning and figure this out. 580 00:58:17.570 --> 00:58:21.630 Daffodil Tyminski: and frankly, they have the ability on their own to change our bylaws. 581 00:58:22.160 --> 00:58:29.179 Daffodil Tyminski: which they've done to us before without telling us so. This just may be a discrepancy that they weren't aware of you know creating this problem. 582 00:58:30.560 --> 00:58:46.130 jim murez: So so the adcom is in the bylaws the standing rules are the thing to talk about 72 h, and I think that that was something that Melissa put in there because she was getting tired of having to create the last minute agenda. 583 00:58:46.140 --> 00:58:56.540 jim murez: and then Ivan would work on it, and he, you know, After that he would take it and massage it for a a couple of days. It was always a week before it wasn't, you know we're now doing them. On Thursday they used to do them on Monday. 584 00:58:56.610 --> 00:59:02.980 jim murez: and so and everything had to be in prior to that. So it was always a a a much longer cycle as well. 585 00:59:05.570 --> 00:59:07.189 jim murez: you know 586 00:59:08.100 --> 00:59:14.710 Ivan: this is all off topic. The motion is whether to put these items on the agenda or not. 587 00:59:15.050 --> 00:59:17.700 jim murez: Thank you, Ivan. This is the topic 588 00:59:17.880 --> 00:59:32.189 jim murez: we're discussing whether or not we numbered items on the impend or not, Ivan, we're discussing You're interrupting, but we are discussing whether or not the is can or cannot go on the agenda. 589 00:59:35.370 --> 00:59:38.439 Ivan: There are only 2 motions left. 590 00:59:39.180 --> 00:59:48.509 Ivan: Well, this one motion that there there is you you already put on the life Card Tower. The only other motion that's written into the agenda 591 00:59:48.610 --> 00:59:49.430 Ivan: is 592 00:59:49.550 --> 00:59:58.920 jim murez: the selection of the board offers, sir. Oh, yeah, that's true. That will be grouped in with the rest of them. Let me scroll down everything else to this topic titled. 593 00:59:59.130 --> 01:00:03.130 That was the first of new. 594 01:00:03.220 --> 01:00:04.609 for instance. 595 01:00:06.040 --> 01:00:09.619 jim murez: Yeah, so 24 is not included in that. It would be 596 01:00:10.100 --> 01:00:12.240 jim murez: 15 through 23. 597 01:00:13.580 --> 01:00:15.819 So we'll have to correct that. 598 01:00:16.660 --> 01:00:19.409 jim murez: Thank you. I'm. Not that you're correct about the selection. 599 01:00:19.430 --> 01:00:21.850 jim murez: 24 to be separately approved. 600 01:00:28.510 --> 01:00:39.179 jim murez: yeah, you know. And and the loop that consent, Calendar, that that cj was alluding to Those items were included as part of the motion that we have on the floor at this point. 601 01:00:42.600 --> 01:00:47.399 jim murez: So I You know what I really don't care. I was trying to to accommodate 602 01:00:47.530 --> 01:00:59.829 jim murez: everyone. Keep stuff moving as quickly as we could, so we could continue to make progress. And I think that we are being transparent by putting this stuff up there 603 01:00:59.920 --> 01:01:02.090 jim murez: 72 h in advance. 604 01:01:02.150 --> 01:01:04.030 jim murez: yeah, yeah. 605 01:01:04.420 --> 01:01:16.029 jim murez: quite honestly, I I mean I could, I think from now on what i'll do is I'll just put a placeholder for every committee, and then just say, well, they just they never got it to us. And that would solve the problem. 606 01:01:16.110 --> 01:01:17.740 jim murez: I just have an extra 607 01:01:17.770 --> 01:01:27.549 jim murez: 10 items on the agenda that are just called placeholders for neighborhood committee and placeholder for outreach, and you know for each committee, and then, if they don't come up with anything, then 608 01:01:28.190 --> 01:01:29.669 jim murez: we'll take it off. But 609 01:01:29.720 --> 01:01:33.510 jim murez: if they do that we can fill it in, and that solves. The problem. 610 01:01:33.590 --> 01:01:36.359 jim murez: Is that kind of your understanding, Daffodil. 611 01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:52.799 Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, I i'm not sure that I know the answer. I I really think this is something that we have to lay out for the city attorney, and say, what's appropriate here? If they say I, this is not a Brownic violation which i'd be shocked at. then. Fine. 612 01:01:52.810 --> 01:02:04.229 Daffodil Tyminski: I guess. Go ahead, I think, as a courtesy doing the placeholders is nice. So our community knows what we're doing, or at least what's going to happen at the meeting. 613 01:02:04.680 --> 01:02:06.100 Ivan: That's not true. 614 01:02:06.150 --> 01:02:17.669 Ivan: Some of them did, Ivan, but a lot of them never did. We always made them have a content. Yeah, because the overall lupit item, it was the placeholders would design for Lup. 615 01:02:18.570 --> 01:02:19.290 Ivan: Okay. 616 01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:28.700 Ivan: Other committees started using them, but they had to have the title of the motion or something. The lubric items had to have the address included 617 01:02:30.570 --> 01:02:31.720 Ivan: it. Wasn't just 618 01:02:31.820 --> 01:02:33.089 Ivan: place holder 619 01:02:33.690 --> 01:02:36.529 Ivan: all right. But now we're getting off topic again. 620 01:02:36.850 --> 01:02:49.020 Ivan: please. We're not off topic. We're trying to decide who you are. You talking about other things, and it doesn't belong here. 621 01:02:49.290 --> 01:02:53.280 Ivan: What you're talking about actually belongs on the outcome agenda 622 01:02:55.960 --> 01:03:01.930 jim murez: we're talking about whether or not we can or cannot include these items. 623 01:03:02.730 --> 01:03:06.400 Ivan: Well, I think it's a brown act violation. To be honest. 624 01:03:06.600 --> 01:03:12.400 Ivan: I will explain why I didn't want to talk about it at that point, because I didn't want to be off topic. 625 01:03:12.600 --> 01:03:21.820 Ivan: I'll explain it after you get through this. Take a vote on on this item. Okay. So if we have no other committee comment. 626 01:03:21.910 --> 01:03:24.990 jim murez: let's take a vote on this. 627 01:03:25.130 --> 01:03:29.980 jim murez: let me do a quick roll call. Vote. I assume that no other members have arrived at the meeting. 628 01:03:30.140 --> 01:03:32.050 jim murez: daffodil, how do you vote? 629 01:03:32.560 --> 01:03:38.950 jim murez: And and i'm sorry. What is the motion? 630 01:03:39.090 --> 01:03:45.470 jim murez: 15 through 23 and 26 through 29 to be included on the 631 01:03:46.010 --> 01:03:47.790 jim murez: December twentieth meeting 632 01:03:47.950 --> 01:03:50.429 Jason Sugars: that excludes 20. No. 633 01:03:53.450 --> 01:03:56.330 jim murez: it did not include 24 634 01:03:56.780 --> 01:04:01.509 jim murez: i'm not sure what you're referring to it about 20. What's what's the issue of 20. 635 01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:11.230 jim murez: There was one that you said that you set aside because it should not have been included in the bundle 636 01:04:12.170 --> 01:04:18.570 jim murez: that was item number 24. So let me just repeat it. It's 11 and 12. 637 01:04:18.610 --> 01:04:29.129 jim murez: What are the tumors? 15, through 23 which are the consent items, and then 26 through 29. Are the items that were submitted. 638 01:04:29.160 --> 01:04:31.840 jim murez: after the restoration of the headquarters. 639 01:04:31.910 --> 01:04:32.629 Jason Sugars: Thank you. 640 01:04:33.590 --> 01:04:35.670 jim murez: Okay, David, how do you vote? 641 01:04:35.720 --> 01:04:36.600 Daffodil Tyminski: no. 642 01:04:37.530 --> 01:04:38.450 jim murez: Okay. 643 01:04:39.210 --> 01:04:41.219 jim murez: Jay, how do you vote? 644 01:04:41.380 --> 01:04:42.129 jay handal: No. 645 01:04:42.660 --> 01:04:44.109 jim murez: Jason, how do you vote? 646 01:04:44.580 --> 01:04:46.069 Jason Sugars: no for clarity? 647 01:04:46.850 --> 01:04:48.560 jim murez: Okay, and I vote Yes. 648 01:04:49.820 --> 01:04:51.569 jim murez: So the 649 01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:54.089 jim murez: where did I fill that in? 650 01:04:55.080 --> 01:04:58.550 jim murez: I put it down here somewhere. So 651 01:04:58.980 --> 01:05:00.609 no, that was that was 652 01:05:02.180 --> 01:05:05.969 jim murez: you. Look at all you here, so let me fix this. This was 653 01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.200 jim murez: approve 11 654 01:05:09.410 --> 01:05:10.439 jim murez: 12 655 01:05:10.720 --> 01:05:11.790 comma 656 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:15.740 15 through 23 657 01:05:17.390 --> 01:05:18.620 and 658 01:05:19.640 --> 01:05:23.060 jim murez: 26 through 29. 659 01:05:23.330 --> 01:05:25.910 jim murez: Then the vote was 660 01:05:26.420 --> 01:05:30.489 jim murez: one comma, 3 cub 0. 661 01:05:30.550 --> 01:05:32.470 jim murez: Okay, so the motion failed. 662 01:05:34.840 --> 01:05:36.209 jim murez: Now 663 01:05:36.910 --> 01:05:45.560 jim murez: let me save this that you have to go back to the I'm going to. I'm gonna do that first. I have to save away this copy. 664 01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:49.409 jim murez: and this will be board final 665 01:05:51.900 --> 01:05:52.890 jim murez: to you. 666 01:05:54.790 --> 01:05:57.130 jim murez: And now 667 01:05:57.930 --> 01:06:02.200 jim murez: let me scroll back up to here and reload. 668 01:06:02.490 --> 01:06:04.750 jim murez: Okay, Lisa, you watching, i'm relocating that 669 01:06:06.120 --> 01:06:08.769 jim murez: I don't think Lisa is still on the meeting. 670 01:06:11.040 --> 01:06:15.360 jim murez: And now i'm going to reload. Where did it say, come back here. 671 01:06:17.790 --> 01:06:21.579 jim murez: and now we go back down to 672 01:06:24.040 --> 01:06:25.419 jim murez: this one here. 673 01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:30.139 jim murez: and J made the motion. Jason seconded it. 674 01:06:30.400 --> 01:06:32.600 jim murez: Do we have any additional public comment? 675 01:06:34.580 --> 01:06:37.729 jim murez: It appears now. 676 01:06:38.620 --> 01:06:40.229 jim murez: I thought, Yes. 677 01:06:41.670 --> 01:06:42.949 jim murez: How do you vote? 678 01:06:43.360 --> 01:06:44.169 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 679 01:06:45.050 --> 01:06:46.429 jim murez: J. How do you, Book 680 01:06:51.730 --> 01:06:53.000 Daffodil Tyminski: Jay? You're muted. 681 01:06:53.260 --> 01:06:55.389 jim murez: No, he saw. How do you vote, Jay? 682 01:06:57.220 --> 01:06:59.509 jay handal: Now you're muted. Yes, yes. 683 01:06:59.640 --> 01:07:01.620 jim murez: all right, Jason. How do you vote 684 01:07:01.750 --> 01:07:02.779 Jason Sugars: voting? Yes. 685 01:07:03.300 --> 01:07:06.170 jim murez: okay. The motion carries 4 0 0. 686 01:07:06.870 --> 01:07:13.209 jim murez: Now, we have board officer comments, items, not on the agenda. Ivan. Did you want to speak at this point on we'll let you. 687 01:07:16.770 --> 01:07:18.160 Ivan: Yeah, okay. 688 01:07:18.270 --> 01:07:23.489 jim murez: I will let you also speak at this point. But let's let I have it go first. 689 01:07:23.940 --> 01:07:24.689 Ivan: all right. 690 01:07:24.760 --> 01:07:29.850 Ivan: so I don't know how we got off in the weeds about this, but it's been building for months. 691 01:07:30.430 --> 01:07:32.809 Ivan: The whole point is a brown act. 692 01:07:32.970 --> 01:07:34.550 Ivan: is it? Things 693 01:07:34.640 --> 01:07:37.049 Ivan: are done in public 694 01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:39.570 Ivan: where everybody can see them. 695 01:07:39.760 --> 01:07:43.290 Ivan: The problem with what you're you're trying to do 696 01:07:43.580 --> 01:07:47.350 Ivan: is and i'm just going to pick this as an as an example. 697 01:07:47.790 --> 01:07:51.889 Ivan: alright, the thing about the motion about Flower Street. 698 01:07:52.430 --> 01:07:53.149 Ivan: Okay. 699 01:07:54.150 --> 01:08:00.400 Ivan: people have a right to see that you're going to be talking about putting this on the agenda. 700 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:06.249 Ivan: The other thing that happened which you said 701 01:08:07.060 --> 01:08:08.129 Ivan: is that 702 01:08:08.820 --> 01:08:12.259 Ivan: we should be looking at making sure items are ready 703 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:16.979 Ivan: to go on the board agenda, which means all the paperwork is there. 704 01:08:18.020 --> 01:08:18.899 Ivan: you know. 705 01:08:19.260 --> 01:08:23.390 Ivan: And how do we do that? If if we never see the item 706 01:08:23.450 --> 01:08:25.469 Ivan: before you actually bring it up. 707 01:08:26.100 --> 01:08:34.060 Ivan: you can't just jump it on people in the middle of a meeting, and and we're supposed to know if all the paper works there or anything. So 708 01:08:34.399 --> 01:08:39.069 Ivan: what i'm gonna recommend to you, because we can talk about this all night and 709 01:08:39.210 --> 01:08:43.269 Ivan: neighborhood Town should have been talking about this as long as I've been involved. 710 01:08:45.020 --> 01:08:48.150 Ivan: I think we should have a meeting with the city attorney 711 01:08:49.470 --> 01:08:56.249 Ivan: about this. Get a definitive ruling from them, I mean not. I will go with whatever they tell us. 712 01:08:56.380 --> 01:08:59.260 Ivan: but i'd like to be included on that meeting. 713 01:09:00.580 --> 01:09:06.470 Ivan: if you want it for you. That's fine, if you want for you and that for the electron. However, you want to do it. 714 01:09:07.160 --> 01:09:09.710 Ivan: but it has to be more than just you. 715 01:09:13.550 --> 01:09:16.519 Ivan: Okay, so that's what i'm going to suggest to you. 716 01:09:18.550 --> 01:09:23.670 Ivan: Okay, alright, that that that's right. I think we we're okay right now. 717 01:09:25.439 --> 01:09:42.300 Ivan: alright. Well, thank you. We should do this before the next meeting is going to keep going on and on, and we're telling stories and things are being said that Aren't true. You know I I just it's it's really hard to sit through. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, I I heard you. 718 01:09:42.399 --> 01:09:59.400 jim murez: Elizabeth. You have your hand up, and you've been patient. I will let you see i'm in a very holiday cheer. So so. we we, you know you're not board members, but by all means, Elizabeth, You've been very helpful and made a lot of contributions over the years. You got the microphone? 719 01:10:00.140 --> 01:10:04.829 Elizabeth Wright: Thank you. I think you just passed an agenda for the board that does not include 720 01:10:04.960 --> 01:10:07.100 Elizabeth Wright: board comments or adjournment. 721 01:10:10.820 --> 01:10:25.199 jim murez: You might. You might be right. We should probably consider that. And actually, now that you mentioned it, I think we took out item 24 we need to go back and put it in, so i'd like to make a motion to reconsider the draft agenda. Let's go back and do that. 722 01:10:25.960 --> 01:10:27.229 jay handal: I'll second it. 723 01:10:27.740 --> 01:10:29.030 jim murez: Thank you, Jay. 724 01:10:30.060 --> 01:10:32.589 jim murez: Let the reload 725 01:10:33.740 --> 01:10:37.029 jim murez: the ports. 726 01:10:43.370 --> 01:10:44.580 jim murez: and 727 01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.760 jim murez: let's go back and look at 728 01:10:49.930 --> 01:10:51.039 Ivan: 20 729 01:10:56.770 --> 01:11:02.179 jim murez: 24. Can I have a motion to put? I Don't. 730 01:11:02.670 --> 01:11:05.320 Jason Sugars: Thank you. We'll second Jason Sugars 731 01:11:05.460 --> 01:11:06.990 jim murez: Thank you, Jason. 732 01:11:07.940 --> 01:11:09.960 jim murez: Public comment. 733 01:11:12.720 --> 01:11:16.190 Daffodil Tyminski: hold on, I see. Well. 734 01:11:16.380 --> 01:11:18.989 Daffodil Tyminski: sorry. I just got out of the screen. Hang on a second. 735 01:11:20.200 --> 01:11:23.300 Ivan: I see no public comment. 736 01:11:24.470 --> 01:11:30.459 jim murez: I've come in this close committee's comment close. Let's take a vote. 737 01:11:31.980 --> 01:11:33.400 jim murez: Java, how do you vote? 738 01:11:33.740 --> 01:11:34.570 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 739 01:11:37.100 --> 01:11:40.879 jim murez: J. How do you vote? 740 01:11:42.780 --> 01:11:44.450 Jason Sugars: Oh, me? Yes. 741 01:11:44.500 --> 01:11:45.359 Jason Sugars: Oh, Yes. 742 01:11:45.390 --> 01:11:48.379 jim murez: okay, I vote. Yes. So it's 4 0 0. 743 01:11:54.570 --> 01:11:56.620 jim murez: I am sorry to the right places. 744 01:11:59.040 --> 01:12:04.099 jim murez: Sorry about that. Okay, so that's now on there. And Elizabeth made a good point. 745 01:12:04.340 --> 01:12:05.309 jim murez: Can we 746 01:12:05.340 --> 01:12:09.030 jim murez: reconsider the previous motion. 747 01:12:09.350 --> 01:12:11.440 jim murez: which included items 748 01:12:13.200 --> 01:12:15.370 jim murez: 28 and 749 01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:21.789 jim murez: 29, and re re open that. So i'm going to revise this 750 01:12:22.110 --> 01:12:27.629 jim murez: to now say it stops at 27. Thank you. 751 01:12:28.210 --> 01:12:31.730 jim murez: and can I get a motion to to reconsider that 752 01:12:34.100 --> 01:12:36.539 Daffodil Tyminski: I second it, from Jason? 753 01:12:36.740 --> 01:12:41.139 jim murez: Thank you. So i'm just gonna here. We'll just do this if you have a second time. 754 01:12:41.530 --> 01:12:42.500 So 755 01:12:43.790 --> 01:12:46.870 jim murez: so that was Jason Sugar. 756 01:12:48.360 --> 01:12:50.699 jim murez: Do we have any public comment? 757 01:12:51.170 --> 01:12:52.240 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh. 758 01:12:52.340 --> 01:12:53.250 Daffodil Tyminski: No? 759 01:12:53.370 --> 01:12:56.020 jim murez: Okay, do we have any forward comment? 760 01:12:56.440 --> 01:12:57.219 Daffodil Tyminski: No. 761 01:12:59.890 --> 01:13:02.259 jim murez: anybody abstaining 762 01:13:02.300 --> 01:13:04.010 jim murez: anybody voting? No. 763 01:13:04.370 --> 01:13:07.699 jim murez: So it carries 4 0 0 764 01:13:08.770 --> 01:13:09.429 right? 765 01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:14.579 jim murez: Then. This was the second, the modified. I guess I should change this. 766 01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:17.960 jim murez: So what it was originally, and then leave that 767 01:13:18.590 --> 01:13:19.539 in here. 768 01:13:24.750 --> 01:13:25.929 it back in 769 01:13:26.890 --> 01:13:28.040 20. 770 01:13:28.410 --> 01:13:29.190 Okay. 771 01:13:29.570 --> 01:13:31.679 Yeah. 772 01:13:33.530 --> 01:13:34.250 jim murez: Okay. 773 01:13:37.780 --> 01:13:40.810 jim murez: okay. Now let me save this again. 774 01:13:44.690 --> 01:13:46.479 and call this draft too. 775 01:13:46.820 --> 01:13:50.859 jim murez: Just so, in case anybody ever wants to ask questions. 776 01:13:54.110 --> 01:13:57.499 jim murez: get a motion to adjourn. 777 01:13:58.040 --> 01:13:59.950 jim murez: No, not yet 778 01:14:00.170 --> 01:14:03.120 jim murez: we have to go back and and bring up the 779 01:14:04.520 --> 01:14:06.450 jim murez: the final add-on. 780 01:14:13.380 --> 01:14:17.399 jim murez: Okay, we already voted on. Is everybody still going to keep their vote the same way. 781 01:14:17.790 --> 01:14:18.610 Okay. 782 01:14:22.280 --> 01:14:23.479 Where did that go? 783 01:14:23.650 --> 01:14:24.810 Here it is. 784 01:14:25.130 --> 01:14:27.899 jim murez: Okay. So let's let's call for the vote. Now. 785 01:14:28.010 --> 01:14:31.430 jim murez: i'm gonna vote. yes. 786 01:14:32.430 --> 01:14:34.030 jim murez: Daffodil, how do you vote? 787 01:14:34.090 --> 01:14:34.980 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes. 788 01:14:35.210 --> 01:14:37.889 jim murez: yeah. 789 01:14:38.560 --> 01:14:40.180 jim murez: And Jason, how you about 790 01:14:40.320 --> 01:14:41.379 Jason Sugars: voting? Yes. 791 01:14:41.510 --> 01:14:48.779 jim murez: okay. So that so we're done with that. And I just want I didn't take public comment on again. But I I don't think we can. We already get through it? 792 01:14:48.980 --> 01:14:54.389 jim murez: we already discussed items. Does anybody else want to talk about anything that's not on the agenda. 793 01:14:57.600 --> 01:15:02.620 jim murez: seeing none. The meeting do I need to to call for a 794 01:15:03.330 --> 01:15:07.320 Ivan: the most. Get a get a motion to adjourn a motion to adjourn 795 01:15:07.460 --> 01:15:10.250 Daffodil Tyminski: the second. That thank you. 796 01:15:10.630 --> 01:15:13.239 jim murez: The meeting is concluded 797 01:15:13.730 --> 01:15:16.919 jim murez: at 7, and this will be outcome final. 798 01:15:17.530 --> 01:15:18.280 jim murez: great. 799 01:15:18.660 --> 01:15:22.240 jim murez: So we're done. we'll see you all Tuesday night. 800 01:15:22.930 --> 01:15:27.779 jim murez: Awesome. Okay, and I guess 801 01:15:29.650 --> 01:15:32.300 jim murez: we should probably talk to 802 01:15:33.040 --> 01:15:34.730 jim murez: the city attorney. 803 01:15:34.930 --> 01:15:43.600 jim murez: maybe even before Tuesday, if possible, so we could tell the Board what's happening. By all, I I wouldn't do that 804 01:15:44.700 --> 01:15:46.370 Ivan: just before you know 805 01:15:46.620 --> 01:15:48.760 Ivan: the January outcome. 806 01:15:49.200 --> 01:15:52.499 jim murez: Well, but you know what there's going to be a whole bunch of people. 807 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:54.049 jim murez: They don't 808 01:15:54.080 --> 01:16:10.909 jim murez: items didn't get on, especially the you know, the the the residents of flowers that have been pushing and fighting, and and the people that have their projects in loop, that they now don't get to to get their cases, you know, closed by the planners, you know, a month earlier. 809 01:16:11.300 --> 01:16:18.800 jay handal: You know it's affecting a lot of people's lives. So if you got something to report reported in the President's report. 810 01:16:18.850 --> 01:16:28.080 jim murez: and if you don't have anything, then okay, so that's so. I'll i'll reach out to, for i'll send Freddy a note tonight that we need to have that discussion with the city attorney. 811 01:16:28.480 --> 01:16:33.730 Ivan: and I don't even know who or do you know who our city attorney is? At this point 812 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:35.180 Ivan: the 813 01:16:35.320 --> 01:16:36.519 jim murez: Elise? 814 01:16:37.840 --> 01:16:40.469 Ivan: You've talked to her. 815 01:16:41.490 --> 01:16:45.230 Ivan: I thought she moved on. 816 01:16:45.360 --> 01:16:46.459 jim murez: I thought so. 817 01:16:46.590 --> 01:16:49.160 Ivan: I thought so. But when did that happen? 818 01:16:49.710 --> 01:16:52.320 jim murez: I I don't know 3 months ago. 819 01:16:52.640 --> 01:16:54.819 jim murez: All right. Well, 820 01:16:55.340 --> 01:16:57.509 Ivan: Who do you think it is? 821 01:16:58.450 --> 01:17:02.329 Daffodil Tyminski: I don't know I just. I didn't know that we had somebody. I I 822 01:17:02.610 --> 01:17:06.510 Ivan: I'll just I'll send a note to Freddie that we need to talk to 823 01:17:07.290 --> 01:17:09.230 jim murez: It's it's funny, though, because 824 01:17:09.650 --> 01:17:10.370 me 825 01:17:10.640 --> 01:17:16.260 jim murez: 2 days ago I had this exact conversation with Freddy about creating the 826 01:17:16.380 --> 01:17:17.969 jim murez: Board's agenda. 827 01:17:18.010 --> 01:17:22.429 jim murez: and he said, as long as you don't modify the outcome agenda. You're fine. 828 01:17:22.550 --> 01:17:24.550 jim murez: Yeah, we have the discussion. So 829 01:17:24.770 --> 01:17:25.670 jim murez: anyway. 830 01:17:25.930 --> 01:17:28.350 jim murez: we'll bring it up again and see where we're going. 831 01:17:28.860 --> 01:17:30.660 jim murez: Thank you all. Have a Good night. 832 01:17:31.100 --> 01:17:33.790 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, thanks, Jim. See, You guys, Thank you. Everyone 833 01:17:34.060 --> 01:17:35.080 Jason Sugars: night, everyone. 834 01:17:35.300 --> 01:17:36.610 jim murez: Bye, bye.