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Michael Jensen: Hey, Jim,

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jim murez: can you hear me

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jim murez: now? I can.

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jim murez: My microphone wasn't working? Good! How are you doing?

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Michael Jensen: I'm living?

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jim murez: Oh, that doesn't sound exciting.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, it's just been a tough day. Oh,

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jim murez: well, I'm going to make you host.

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jim murez: Okay, Is there anything else? You You know what? Maybe before I do that I should set up screen sharing for you.

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jim murez: All right, So screen sharing is now set up. Oh, and there's one other thing we have to do

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jim murez: which I will do.

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jim murez: How did that work? Captions? There you go

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jim murez: show captions. Caption settings. Yeah, show captions.

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jim murez: Close captions is on

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jim murez: Somebody complained that we Weren't. Uh.

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jim murez: I know that that person has never once attended one of these meetings, so I hear you. But anyway, we're doing it from now on, as long as we're a member. Okay, So let's see. I need to make you host. I thought I did. I didn't,

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jim murez: and I see you have to share. Good evening, Andrew.

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jim murez: I'm going to make you host. You're now hosting. You can

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jim murez: promote the rest of your team.

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jim murez: There's some binder.

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Michael Jensen: Come on

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jim murez: sometimes. It takes more than once, you know, you go up to the person's name, and then on the right.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, yeah, you do know it. There you go,

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jim murez: all right. So i'm going to let you be. I'm going to finish my dinner. I'll come back, maybe a little bit later.

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Michael Jensen: Okidoki, Hey, Andrew,

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Michael Jensen: I tried to say higher earlier, and I think I was on mute. Oh, yeah, Got you now?

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How's it going?

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Andrew Mika: Good. How are you?

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Michael Jensen: Not too bad?

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Michael Jensen: Um! What am I doing now. I'm looking for

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our agenda.

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Michael Jensen: All right. We have Barry.

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Michael Jensen: It's a cool looking window.

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Andrew Mika: Thank you.

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barrycassilly: Oh, Video:

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barrycassilly: Oh, for my video.

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barrycassilly: Where are all these people. Oh, there's maneuver!

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Michael Jensen: I thought she wasn't coming, but

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Michael Jensen: she called me saying I missed the call to those in that meeting, and I forgot to call her back hammer niche.

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barrycassilly: Oh, she disappeared. There she is!

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I'm trying to on. Oh, I i'm mute it. Hi! Good evening! Sorry I missed you, called Marnush, and I forgot to call you back. Um, so we can talk uh tomorrow. This

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: This weekend

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barrycassilly: I saw Marnush on Navy Street in Santa Monica.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: That's Why, you got scared, you know

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barrycassilly: I'm here

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barrycassilly: I'm in cheese. So I have my camera off.

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barrycassilly: Okay, Lauren is here early. Where is she?

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Michael Jensen: Well, we've got Jess.

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Michael Jensen: So now we are one, two, three, four, five, right? So we have a quorum

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Michael Jensen: um good. So Brian has two cases, and he's here,

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Michael Jensen: and then

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Michael Jensen: um. The The other case is um

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Michael Jensen: uh Robert's office, but I don't know whether

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barrycassilly: um do you know, if it's going to be Robert or uh

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Michael Jensen: I forget her name now,

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Andrew Mika: Hey, everyone,

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Andrew Mika: I think I saw someone from his office on I I don't know, but I can

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Andrew Mika: I? I I can present it.

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Michael Jensen: Um no, I mean most I mean just from the applicant side, I think, at Bailey that's from

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barrycassilly: um, and there was someone who just had their hand up, but I lowered it because we haven't started the meeting yet, and i'm hoping they didn't just they'll make them go like. Get them up,

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Michael Jensen: Yolanda. I see your hand will uh

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Michael Jensen: uh, we Haven't started the meeting yet, so I just don't wanna

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Michael Jensen: um, but we can now that we're five um

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Michael Jensen: alright, seven hundred and four, calling the meeting to order.

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Michael Jensen: Um! Oh, here's Lauren um promote.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Calling the meeting to order um Corinne, she's not here, Barry.

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barrycassilly: Here,

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Michael Jensen: Andrew,

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Andrew Mika: here.

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Michael Jensen: Hi, Lauren!

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Michael Jensen: Um, Matthews not here.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Chris, not seeing him. I'm here. And Jeff here.

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Michael Jensen: Alright. Thank you. Guys. Um minutes from November tenth. Can I have a motion in a second

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barrycassilly: motion.

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Jeff Martin: Second

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Michael Jensen: Sorry, Who is the second?

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Michael Jensen: All right. Anybody object?

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Michael Jensen: So that is six zero

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Michael Jensen: um declaration of conflicts of interest and ex parte communications. I would limit this to things that

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Michael Jensen: you were not staff on, because we're assuming that you had had conversations. If you were staff

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Michael Jensen: Um. Anyone.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, uh general public comment for items. Not on the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: Um, since it's just Yolanda and Brian. Um. I'll just ask you to Okay, Yolanda. Go ahead,

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Hi! I finally made it into the meeting. Sometimes I just listen to it, but I can't

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Yolanda Gonzalez: uh talk, but I finally made it in um, Mikhail Michelle, did you get my request of following through on the uh flood insurance uh that has been uh designated here in Venice, and I sent you the the the respond that um

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Yolanda Gonzalez: was uh given to me by Ted Lew's office, because he's our Congressional representative at the National Level, and they weren't able to do anything, and they have nothing to do with it. And uh, I guess her but his representative just sent me the

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Michael Jensen: her response to it. Did you get it by any chance?

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Michael Jensen: The

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Michael Jensen: Us. Rep. Office and the Council Office, and I think one of the State Government agencies are all blaming, the other for the map,

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Michael Jensen: and so no one is taking responsibility for drawing the very bizarre. Well,

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Michael Jensen: the the flood is is one issue, and then the the area that's carved out is another

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Michael Jensen: um.

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Michael Jensen: So I just haven't gotten to. I I haven't yet

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Michael Jensen: uh sort of figured out where we can go with this. Um,

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Michael Jensen: I Um,

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Michael Jensen: yeah. So I see it. I just have not. Um.

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Michael Jensen: I haven't gotten to figure out how we can address it.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I just want to know if the interest of loop he to follow through is very important for us.

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Michael Jensen: I think it is, and i'm almost wondering whether the

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Michael Jensen: whether the first step is find filing a California Public Records Act request

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Michael Jensen: to the various um State entities, and then you can file a uh foia of freedom of the Federal version of it for Ted lose office. Um

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Michael Jensen: first step.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: You know the reason. I say it because I finally got

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Yolanda Gonzalez: the uh policy. We finally got the policy on this coverage, which is more than the insurance, almost as the the insurance coverage that I have on my building. But what's interesting is that, uh, when I went to Fema, and I went through all the the steps that they asked me to do, even to the county. It's really amazing for almost a policy of two thousand nine hundred and eighty-four dollars that they're charging us, because I have a a small well, I have a

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Yolanda Gonzalez: reasonable loan on my property is that the coverage is really unbelievable. It just covers the land it doesn't cover anything,

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Yolanda Gonzalez: and and it's It's really amazing that uh we are being taken for this I I I don't call it an insurance. I call it an abuse of power, and not only an abuse of power, but also it's it's a tax basically it's a tax.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: And um, I would really like to see if we if Lupe can really follow through, and i'll follow through. And that's why I also requested to be um uh representative to go back to the Department of Water and Power representative and to link. Because, uh, there are other places which are very low, and they're considered uh in danger of flooding at any time that we can follow through and ask the city

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Why Why was this put on us when we were went through Covid, and supposedly that we had a presentation on it? Now I know that Jim had some um

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Yolanda Gonzalez: uh information on it. But as President, he should have followed through with Loop he to follow through, because it's affecting as to the seller properties for people to uh get their properties in in in order; and if for

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Yolanda Gonzalez: persons like myself and my husband, who are over seventy, and if we want to use up the equity, some equity that we have already on our property when we owned our property out right, and then we just borrowed against it to do something. It affects it. It's very hard to get alone.

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Michael Jensen: Um, I I understand where you're coming from. I just um.

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Michael Jensen: I haven't yet. Figured out how we can.

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Michael Jensen: We can do it, I mean, we can certainly pass a motion, but I I feel like That'll be sort of meaningless without

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Michael Jensen: figuring out what the genesis of the flood map was

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Michael Jensen: so. Um, we have a question. Can I talk to the Atlanta? Can I ask for questions?

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Yeah, that's fine with me. I'd be happy to meet with anybody who wants to take an interest because i'm gonna follow through, and um, you know. But Melissa knows me that when I follow through with something I come through, because I think we need to really get this on on our agenda and let's take it to city Council, and because it was an engineer from the department of of of the city who told me to follow through and get this done because this was an abuse

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Yolanda Gonzalez: on our on the behalf of Fema

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Yolanda Gonzalez: and into our community, or any communities that are in the flood? Are we declared in the flood by fema.

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Michael Jensen: No, I don't. I don't disagree Yolanda. Um.

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Michael Jensen: So if and I I did see your email, it's just been the holiday. So i'm catching up on being away for for ten days.

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Michael Jensen: But this will be something. This will be something, so I don't know that we'll have another meeting in December for Lupeck, just because of the calendar of the holidays.

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Michael Jensen: But um!

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Michael Jensen: But I think what we can talk about is putting together some public records requests, and then we'll have those documents back, at least on the State level, probably by

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Michael Jensen: the second meeting in January.

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Michael Jensen: I will email you my phone number Yolanda, and we can talk about this like over the weekend.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Yeah, that's fine. Anytime. I know the holidays. Listen: I got. I'm stuck with the with even a project here at my house that i'm in mud right now. And uh, but I you know I understand where you're coming from, but i'd like to see Lupik uh follow through. Uh we've got. We've got the brains. We've got the people that are very professional. We've got a board that understands these issues. But and I think we should follow through, and we should really fight this because this is this is unbelievable.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I like to speak with you later. Yolanda, too. Yeah. And i'll show you the policy. If you read my policy for the two thousand almost three thousand dollars that i'm being charged for the flood insurance, you would laugh. It would just make you. It would just make you throw up.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Thank you, Yolanda. I'm going to close public comment. Um,

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Well, thank you for listening to me.

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barrycassilly: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Um. Any other um public comment on items, not on the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: Going to move on to um

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Michael Jensen: Our de min in this case. Uh, this is well, there's just one. It's a conversion of a garage into three hundred and eighty use on an existing multi unit. Um! It does it? A. V. So

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Michael Jensen: I took this one on. If no one has any objection to this, I would. I'm gonna recommend. We just put this on the consent calendar for the Vnc. This month.

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Michael Jensen: Any objections

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Michael Jensen: sounds good. Great? Okay. So um

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Michael Jensen: cases now uh nine, one one not pardon me. Nine, one nine East Millwood. Uh Brian's here. I'm going to promote him to

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Michael Jensen: uh panelist.

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Michael Jensen: See here, Hi, Brian,

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Brian Silveira: Hey, guys, Can you hear me? Okay,

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Michael Jensen: Yup! And I promoted you to panelists. If you want to share anything um I can. Oh, sorry! And I forgot to actually put up the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: Um, do you have a presentation, Brian, or do you want me to pull up anything?

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Brian Silveira: Um,

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Brian Silveira: yeah, I can, or or I can share myself. But if i'm going to do that

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Brian Silveira: uh, I would need to sign in through my computer. I I I only I can pull up the I can pull up the plans for you.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, um, just give me a second here,

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Michael Jensen: and do you have? I know you have the plans to you also have the rendering document. I have both What? You have a preference on what you want to see first. Ah, start with the plans. Okay,

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Michael Jensen: all right. Can everyone see that I'll make it full screen.

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Michael Jensen: That A. Yes.

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Brian Silveira: Okay.

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Brian Silveira: Oh, no.

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Brian Silveira: Oh, there it is. Okay,

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Brian Silveira: all right. So um Well, i'll. I'll do the formal introduction. So uh Brian Silvera from Brian silver and associates uh on behalf of the applicant Uh. This applicant is Tony Lonsdale is the the owner resident of of this house.

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Brian Silveira: And so, Michelle, if you can go to sheet eight, two, please. That's the second sheet. This This is what you're currently. So it's a very small single family home, uh just about eight hundred and fifty square feet uh, and then detached on the rear is a wreck room

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Brian Silveira: is not a garage. It is permitted as a wreck room, and that's uh Tony's artist studio. Then there's a single car uh parking space next to the you could see it there on the plan,

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Brian Silveira: and then, if you would please go to sheet

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Brian Silveira: a five, a five,

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Brian Silveira: Yeah.

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Brian Silveira: And so this uh sort of a rough overview of the addition that's proposed, and i'll explain why we had to do the yard adjustment. So

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Brian Silveira: uh,

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Brian Silveira: the the architect and Tony are proposing to create a connection between that rec room on the back of the property in the front house.

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Brian Silveira: Now that connection, because the the house in front is is only a single story house,

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Brian Silveira: there will be a there uh that connects to the back of the house that takes you up to a second story. That second story will be the new master suite. So master bedroom, master bathroom, and that little uh,

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Brian Silveira: you know, very narrow space. But i'll show you renderings. It's actually really cool. Uh, and that will uh connect to the uh, the Rec. Room on the back of the property.

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Brian Silveira: This

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Brian Silveira: really shouldn't be a yard adjustment uh we're not building anything that's encroaching into the rear yard. The only reason why it becomes a yard adjustment is because that wreck room

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Brian Silveira: is already encroaching into the Fifteen for rear setback, but because

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Brian Silveira: it has nonconforming rights. Uh, once it's connected to the front house, it becomes part of a single structure. Therefore it's treated as a new structure, even though it's there, and so it no longer complies with the rear yard. Setback.

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Brian Silveira: Uh. So that's it. Uh we're not building anything into the required area, or it's set back. We're just connecting to existing buildings. And uh, by virtue of that, we have to ask for set back relief. So,

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Brian Silveira: Mike, would you mind going to the the renderings.

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Michael Jensen: Nope, uh, just give me a second where the

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Michael Jensen: you share.

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Brian Silveira: There you go. So th this is a view of the the backyard. The the brown two story structure there that you see is the proposed connection on the left. Here is the existing single family home. That's you're saying the back of it, and then on the right

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Brian Silveira: is the existing uh record. Uh, so you can see It's It's a very narrow connection. There. Obviously there's no attempt here to try and

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Brian Silveira: um develop a lot of square footage. This is just an owner user wanting to do uh something interesting and artistic, and also create a little more space uh, but it's still preserving the majority of the backyard. Uh, which is something I don't think we see very often in Venice. So

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Brian Silveira: um! Could you? Uh, could you go to some of the other images?

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Brian Silveira: Yeah. And so this this is the second story of of that narrow connection, so you can see It's a bedroom. Uh, and then, as you continue back, is is the master bath.

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Brian Silveira: Uh? And then this is the the covered outdoor portion uh which is towards the front of the property.

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Brian Silveira: And there's your three d massing so it's, you know it's uh quasi visible from the street. But uh, certainly the

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Brian Silveira: it it still reads as as a single story a historic Craftsman home, which is what it is currently.

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Brian Silveira: Um. So I think I think that was probably too much talking for this project. But i'll I'll I'll stop there. And uh, happy to answer any questions.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Hmm.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, Brian, I have Um, hold on, let me just uh let me do public comment, and then we'll go through our um public comment on this project.

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Michael Jensen: Go ahead, Yolanda.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: That's a very nice project.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I might steal it because I have a recreational unit behind my building, and I might just copy a little bit of it. I think you should approve it. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Yolanda. Um!

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Michael Jensen: uh Barry, and them are news.

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barrycassilly: Um! By what means is the South historic?

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Brian Silveira: I I I know where you're going with this, I suppose. I suppose it's not historic. I I only meant that it's been identified as a potential contributor. But uh, we know that doesn't really mean anything. So

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barrycassilly: yeah. Well, I I don't think it's a nice descriptor in this case.

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barrycassilly: Uh that description has penalized a great number of homeowners unfairly in Venice. Um, and I would I would tend to vote against this project on that basis along

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barrycassilly: if it was described a little bit differently and a little bit um more considerately of the neighbors.

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barrycassilly: I would be very inclined to vote for this project,

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barrycassilly: but I think that description is inconsiderate of neighbors who are in the same position.

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Brian Silveira: Well, may I recant the word?

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barrycassilly: Yes, you may have my vote.

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Brian Silveira: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: let me just? Uh clarify that? There is nothing about historic and the project description. So that commentary uh

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Michael Jensen: well, we'll remain in the in the video recording, but it's not anywhere else.

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Michael Jensen: so well. I just wanted to add into the staff report, which I don't think I put I I this one I ripped through the staff report just for the hell of it. Um! I did want to add the findings under the municipal code for the Zia, even though this is

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Michael Jensen: um make those findings. Do you want me to read them to you guys, or or are we comfortable with? Uh, actually, here's what i'll do. I will just share them on the screen.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Can you guys see that these are the findings.

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Michael Jensen: I can zoom it. And because I can see people are,

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lauren siegel: I have a question

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Michael Jensen: good line.

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lauren siegel: So are we still doing neighborhood meetings getting input from the neighbors.

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Michael Jensen: So that is a volunteer, I mean. Well, the everything about this process is voluntary.

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Michael Jensen: Um, So I Brian, I don't know whether you want to talk about any communication with the neighbors or not. Um,

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Michael Jensen: This this adjustment doesn't tend to affect them so

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barrycassilly: It already exists as well. I don't know why anybody would talk to their neighbor about it.

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lauren siegel: Well, I guess my question is, are we asking for people to do that. You know I have a case that that I, you know, mentioned that maybe they want to get some neighborhood feedback, and I just think that's since we're not having neighbors show up to our meetings, I think that at least this is one way for us to have outreach to the neighborhood When these projects come up.

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barrycassilly: I I I I personally have a problem with like um neighbors commenting on what other neighbors are doing with their their single family homes unless people are asking for special permission for stuff that matters. Um,

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lauren siegel: but, Barry, that's what part of our charter is to find out and let people know and give them a chance to speak on projects that affect the neighborhood,

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barrycassilly: and we have very little people showing up, so

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lauren siegel: I I feel like we need to include them in the process in one way or another.

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Michael Jensen: Brian, have you spoken to the neighbors on either side of the house or on the other side of the alley.

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Brian Silveira: No, no, I haven't um, and and i'm happy to if it would make you guys more comfortable. I know, Lauren. I I one hundred percent agree with what you said. Uh, and in general I go out of my way to do outreach probably too much outreach.

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Brian Silveira: Um. But I also agree with what Barry just said, which is, you know this is this is such an innocuous little thing done by a homeowner

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Brian Silveira: I I can't imagine that her neighbors would care, but it probably shouldn't matter if her neighbors care, because she's just building a five hundred square foot, master bedroom. That's twenty feet tall.

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Brian Silveira: I don't know, you know. I I mean I it's not really about my opinion. I guess it's up to you guys, but that's that's why we opted not to to speak to the neighbors here

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lauren siegel: there, and I appreciate that it's small. And i'm not

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lauren siegel: meaning to put you on the spot. I'm. Just asking the question of our committee to try and understand if we want to engage our community more than we are now.

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lauren siegel: I I have a project that's coming up that you know fits all of you know. It follows all the standards development standards, but it's still gonna be a significant project in the neighborhood. And I, you know I've asked if they would hold the meeting and let the neighbors know,

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Andrew Mika: in your right, without variances of zoning like. If you're within your zoning rights,

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Andrew Mika: a a like it's not necessary to consult anyone into your private property.

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lauren siegel: How else are people gonna know? I understand They post it, but it's kind of after the fact that you know construction is about to happen. This is what's gonna happen? It's just common courtesy. I would think

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Michael Jensen: insanely in the past. I would also say that there's there's plenty of um. There's more opportunity if if there it really is some grievance on the part of the neighbors. Um,

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Michael Jensen: there will be more opportunities for them to make their voice heard. Um, let me hold on. Let me, Jim. Um Public comments closed, but

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barrycassilly: I I wasn't finished, though I just I wanted to say that you know community input is important. But boundaries are important, too.

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barrycassilly: you know I really feel like that's a private matter. It's a politeness back and forth. Um,

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lauren siegel: so. Then, Mikhail, are you suggesting that we really Aren't going to require it at all? For

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lauren siegel: I mean, tell me, just tell me, one way or the other. What you guys want to agree to, so I will know.

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Michael Jensen: outreach, when when it's it's I mean it. I won't say it's required. But when I think you should do it versus not i'm leaning against doing it for the single family homes that do not ask for something about. I mean, I understand that this there's an adjustment here, but this one is not really

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Michael Jensen: individual people who are just, you know, trying to build their house to, you know, pay for all sorts of extra meetings, and I mean they already have to come to this the Vmc. Uh potentially the

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Michael Jensen: uh area planning Commission coastal like there's There's so many meetings. Um I get that I I mean, i'm just I'm i'm i'm rethinking how many of these we really want to impose uh, above what they're already going through. Okay, So i'm gonna try. Try. And just Jim, what do you have for us?

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jim murez: I just wanted to say that i'm not sure at what point in time the neighborhood outreach meeting stopped occurring. It's something that that as long as I can remember, it was always part of the process, and I think that

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jim murez: perhaps Barry and and and yourself, or missing the point behind it, and the reason that it was started twenty years ago fifteen years ago,

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jim murez: you know, whenever the Neighborhood Council started having these meetings was because by engaging the neighbors early on in a project development.

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jim murez: It gave the property owner a a a fair understanding of what the neighbors were going to consider was an impact,

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jim murez: and the the bigger the project, the more neighbors, should have been notified, and for many, many, many years it was always,

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jim murez: you know, the the the whatever. It is, six adjacent properties, that one across the one behind and the two on either side. And you know it was just something that was done, not only as a courtesy, though, but but as a way of being able to to judge whether or not the

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jim murez: project would be acceptable to the neighbors. Okay, And I understand what you're saying about It's a hundred percent approved

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jim murez: by right, you know. If it's a hundred percent approved by right? Then there really shouldn't be an issue, either. And it is a courtesy, because keep in mind that

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jim murez: at the next step in the process after it's away from the Neighborhood council, they will get a letter

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jim murez: that says this project is happening, and then, if they have a complaint, they have to drive to West La, make the complaint, and then and then the hands are in the zoning administrator and the Neighborhood Council. Hasn't had the opportunity to say, Hey, this project is fine. The way it is.

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jim murez: Then it's up to somebody that's completely remote that has no understanding of the neighborhood. Okay, Jim, i'm going to cut you off. But I think you got the picture,

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Michael Jensen: I will just say, by way of uh background on the public outreach. It used to be uh two terms ago on Lupec. We mandated it for every project Planning then told us we could not mandate it. Um, So they have actually

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Michael Jensen: told us that we can't make people do community outreach Um!

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Michael Jensen: But uh, you know that doesn't mean we can't uh recommend it or what not. Um

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Michael Jensen: uh sorry I didn't know I had my hand up now. Okay, I'm. Lowering your hand. Thank you. Okay, I'm going to call the question. Um, And

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barrycassilly: I motion to approve the project as resented

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Michael Jensen: and that was Andrew.

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Michael Jensen: Um, all right. I'm going to do a roll call here. Um,

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Michael Jensen: uh Barry. Yes, Andrew.

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Brian Silveira: um very uh spirited neighbor um, but haven't really other chance to do any any outreach meetings,

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Brian Silveira: and it it's also another one that's fairly innocuous. It's just continuing a use that's been there for a long time uh whose rights are set to expire. But

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Brian Silveira: that's in light of everything that was just said. And and I agree I I probably want to continue it. Yeah, let me put this. We don't need to believer the the point here. Um, okay, we'll. Uh we'll continue this one out. Um,

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Michael Jensen: I would say, I mean i'm familiar with this project, and I I mean again, I don't. I wasn't aware that there's a spirited neighbor that didn't like this place, but I guess

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Michael Jensen: um for the next meeting. If you want to. Do you want to do an outreach ahead of time, or do you want to come with me. Um, Okay, I I I think so. Yeah, I I think we'll just do you know, an old school, a hundred foot notice or something like that all right. Can you post on the date? And i'll put it on my calendar

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Brian Silveira: for sure. And yeah, this this one we we're not gonna have a hearing until at least February or March. So we have time. Okay, there's no rush on. All right, Thanks, Brian.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks so much. I appreciate it. Uh so two, eight, one, eight

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Bailey Keyes: Awesome. Um Also, I don't know if uh how they come up in the meeting, but a soft coughler and Meredith will also um do a little speaking afterwards, if that's Okay, awesome.

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Bailey Keyes: Um, All right, And I share my screen.

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Bailey Keyes: See? Sorry, guys

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Bailey Keyes: All right. Can you see my screen? Okay,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: No, I don't.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Oh, I have to stop mine. There we go

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Bailey Keyes: all right. Awesome um like I said. My name is Bailey. I work at, do you? Architects? And i'm presenting a project that we are proposing to do at two, eight, one, eight South Queen Avenue. Um, i'm excited to present this project to you guys tonight, because I'm. Looking forward to seeing it be built and actualize.

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Bailey Keyes: The project, like I said, is located at two, eight, one, eight Cloon Avenue, which is straddled between Venice and Washington Boulevard, in a neighborhood that is made up of a mix of one and two story of residential structures.

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Bailey Keyes: The scope of this project is a new two-story Sfd. With an accessory structure at the Rear, which will be comprised of a ground floor garage to car garage with an accessory drawing unit as the second floor.

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Bailey Keyes: Both structures conform to the required setbacks and height requirements for the R. One d one zone um at the front of the set, or excuse me at the front yard, Set back

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Bailey Keyes: um. This Sfd. Will offer an additional six bus fee of set back, then required for a portion of the cl of the ground floor for articulation at the entry to the home.

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Bailey Keyes: Here this house will be designed with the California mid-century vision, which will be comprised of an open floor plan concept to create an indoor outdoor lifestyle at the ground floor. The second floor will be dedicated to the two children's, bedrooms and bathrooms and the primary.

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Bailey Keyes: contemporary design, providing functional interior spaces that complement the outdoors around it. The front facade purposefully lacks ornamentation shows clean lines, dissecting one another to provide articulation and oversize windows all that fall within the aesthetics of California mid century architecture.

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Bailey Keyes: The roof deck will be above the second floor, and will provide additional setbacks from the property line, creating the separation and privacy for both our clients and our neighbors,

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Bailey Keyes: and then the ten foot space between the accessory dwelling unit and the Sfd. Will be dedicated to the outdoor space and access to the pool.

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Bailey Keyes: Uh. We had our community outreach virtually on September seventh, where one person showed up to discuss the project. No issues were brought up at that time, and, like I said, I was excited to bring this project up before you guys and I'm here to answer any additional questions.

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barrycassilly: Mikhail, What are we doing?

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Michael Jensen: so I will. Um. I don't know, Andrew, do you have anything to add, or shows open up to a couple public comment first?

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Bailey Keyes: Uh the client, If you could hear me Still, if we could, we can do that. Thank you. Um! It should be a soft and Meredith one of the two I just. I lost the list of attendees somewhere on my two screens here.

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Meredith Kofler: Hi, guys! This is Meredith and i'm here with the soft We're the coughlers. Um,

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Meredith Kofler: and we're really excited about this project. It's been my personal dream basically since I was born to live by the beach, particularly in Venice. I'm originally from Michigan um, and this is a general contractor.

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Meredith Kofler: And so he's actually doing the build of our house. And this is our forever home. We're really excited to be part of the Venice community with our three year old son, and just really put roots down here. So thank you, guys, for listening to Bailey's beautiful presentation of our projects. We really appreciate it.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks, Meredith.

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Michael Jensen: not seeing any hands. Um

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Michael Jensen: Go ahead, Barry.

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barrycassilly: Um! So daily. Uh there! I'm. Understanding that there is no requests for variances or exceptions on this project.

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barrycassilly: That's correct.

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barrycassilly: But I hope I have a question about the front facade.

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barrycassilly: You're talking about the

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barrycassilly: uninterrupted plane. Um.

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barrycassilly: So as far as this being a diminished project or not, I know that the um specific plan stipulates that the

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barrycassilly: the front plane of uh properties.

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barrycassilly: Yes, please. You got it

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Bailey Keyes: all right. So this is the front facade, and this is the guard rail associated to the balcony, and then I'm going to go up to the floor plans to show you what that looks like.

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Bailey Keyes: So second floor plan. The two children's bedrooms has a balcony that connects the two together, and then this is Clone Avenue.

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barrycassilly: Okay, Can we go back to elevation?

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barrycassilly: Um

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barrycassilly: on the second floor.

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barrycassilly: Uh above the the um,

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barrycassilly: No, not all the way up there in between that. Yeah, right there. What is that.

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Bailey Keyes: Um. So the balcony will also have.

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Bailey Keyes: Excuse me here, this overhang wrapping

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Bailey Keyes: as just an architectural element to the building.

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barrycassilly: Now there's something to the it looks like there's something to the left. Yes, what is that?

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barrycassilly: Is that wall at the same plane with the wall below it?

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Bailey Keyes: No,

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Bailey Keyes: this is this is push back uh an additional. So when I was speaking earlier about the additional setback at the front yard, this is an additional six, but this um,

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barrycassilly: if you see my mouth that is an additional six foot push back from the property, or excuse me from the front to side of the building.

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barrycassilly: Yes, I agree

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barrycassilly: so so, Barry, to your point earlier. Why are you asking so many questions? If this is a diminished project? If you don't have articulation on the on the front facade of the building.

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barrycassilly: Um! There I don't have a specific plan in front of me, but there's a a requirement that a certain percentage of the front facade has to has to be articulated with either protrusions or or or reveals, or something can't just be a a blank wall.

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barrycassilly: So that's why I was asking about these different things.

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barrycassilly: So it looks to me like

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barrycassilly: thirty-five to forty of the front plane of the building. You know is it variance from from the the major plane,

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barrycassilly: and that that would clearly qualify.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, and this does have a Vso. I just pulled the case and has a related case number. Never mind all those questions, so we can actually put this on. Uh, I mean, we've already gone through the the de minimis stuff. But um I mean we can,

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Michael Jensen: and rather than approving it is presented, put it on the diminished consent Calendar for the Vnc.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: If that

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barrycassilly: Barry makes you happy. I don't care that it is de minimis.

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Andrew Mika: Yeah, we should do that then, and let's turn it to vote. Okay, So can someone make that motion? Because i'm Apparently not. I can't make motions. I'm only making the recommendation for this. Why don't you make a motion?

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I didn't make an option to approve it.

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Michael Jensen: Well, we have to make a motion to um

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Michael Jensen: approve on the de Minimis consent. Calendar.

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Jeff Martin: I'll second it.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. I'm sorry I was uh not listening. Who who made the motion if you seconded it.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: I thought it was my nurse's motion. Um, you you wouldn't. I'm sorry we'll do it next time correctly. Um. So uh let me go through, Mary.

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barrycassilly: Yes, Andrew.

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Andrew Mika: Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Warren.

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Michael Jensen: Um, Jeff. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: okay. Motion carries six zero zero.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Bailey. This will be on the Vnc's consent. Calendar in December. Um. I don't know whether it'll get pulled, but um fingers crossed.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you. Take care of

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Michael Jensen: all right. Guys Now we're going to talk about Lincoln Boulevard.

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Michael Jensen: Is Is there any? Is there any voting with this Lincoln Boulevard conversation? I'm probably gonna see myself out

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Michael Jensen: We want to put in a motion are going to look like

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Michael Jensen: so it's some I mean we've we're forty, eight minutes into the meeting. I I don't know if you you can spare fifteen minutes to talk about what we want to see on Lincoln Boulevard, but

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Michael Jensen: that's sort of what I had in mind.

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barrycassilly: I would. I would like to make a a a pitch for Andrew sticking around for fifteen minutes. Um, I you know not to be rude, but I think all this discussion of single family homes that are like

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barrycassilly: pretty much compliant, is a waste of our time. What we should be doing is discussion of linked things like Link and Boulevard.

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Andrew Mika: Let's talk about Lincoln Boulevard. Sorry, Dude.

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Michael Jensen: So i'm going to pull up the draft concepts

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Michael Jensen: again

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Michael Jensen: where

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Andrew Mika: he was a great President.

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Michael Jensen: Um, Okay, So this is the Lincoln Boulevard stretch. Um,

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Michael Jensen: If you recall we talked about Rose last time, and that was

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Michael Jensen: the similar mixed use. Uh, I don't know what pattern you call that.

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Michael Jensen: It's. Can you share your screen? Oh, sorry! I thought it was my mistake. Thank you. Um,

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Michael Jensen: is it not?

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Michael Jensen: Can you guys see it now?

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barrycassilly: Yes, okay, yes.

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Michael Jensen: So

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Michael Jensen: we are talking about this stretch, and I think I should almost zoom in.

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Andrew Mika: I agree.

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Michael Jensen: Okay,

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Michael Jensen: So

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Michael Jensen: Um. Okay. So our stretch of Lincoln Boulevard runs from um.

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Michael Jensen: I think it's navy or marine

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Michael Jensen: uh what is that corner. Um!

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Michael Jensen: Anyone remember the name of that road because it's not labeled here? Um,

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Michael Jensen: but this is Um, obviously a huge commercial corridor.

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Michael Jensen: It is slated under the

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Michael Jensen: uh, just like Rose, although I would pause it, that,

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Michael Jensen: unlike Rose, it has less of that sort of like immediate neighborhood in it,

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Michael Jensen: and is potentially ripe for more

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Michael Jensen: feet um or forty-five, with our little, you know, incentivized uh opening of the ground for a second floor

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Michael Jensen: uh Lincoln boulevard is potentially

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Michael Jensen: At least that's my my opinion on it. But we can definitely talk for context. Yeah,

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barrycassilly: um. So

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barrycassilly: do do we know in terms of how many housing units we have to add um to be. Comp um what what our allotment is for Venice? Um to be compliant with Reina, so that the State doesn't impose. Um uh

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barrycassilly: solutions on us. Do we know what that number is?

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Michael Jensen: I think we have to ask

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Michael Jensen: increase um, which would be more than eight thousand by quite a bit. I mean, I think eight forty is something like twelve or fourteen thousand.

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barrycassilly: I okay, I think we all heard different things from different people. I had heard a third, which would be a little bit higher than eight, but like less than twelve, So let's say we're we're within eight to twelve thousand units. Um! This seems like like looking at this. This is a major commercial corridor in the city.

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barrycassilly: This seems like our our like greatest opportunity to add density um, you know, and also to save the people who are like um really intense about single family neighborhoods from having, like five storey buildings next to their house.

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Andrew Mika: Sure, adding density. Here is also a great way to revive some of the

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Andrew Mika: businesses that probably need a little uplifting on Lincoln Boulevard, They certainly do.

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Andrew Mika: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. I would also add that, based on the last uh, whatever the amount of money that the city council, just like uh allocated for West Side transportation.

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Michael Jensen: Exactly. Some of that is for street widening on Lincoln for light rail.

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Michael Jensen: Um!

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Michael Jensen: And as assuming that's That's something that the city is going to

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Michael Jensen: proceed with. Then this is a corridor that should be

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Michael Jensen: um

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barrycassilly: intensified. Okay, So we've got two components. We've got commercial and residential. Right?

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lauren siegel: Correct. Wait. I also wanted

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lauren siegel: jump in here, I mean. I I thought we were looking to make this more what you're talking about more residential. But then, what are we gonna do about the fact that it's such a major thoroughfare or traffic? I mean, I thought we were gonna try and find a way to move that traffic off Lincoln to make it more

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barrycassilly: appropriate for our community, especially if we're adding all this density away. Can we do that?

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lauren siegel: Why can't we

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barrycassilly: where we get Well, we're going to be going outside of Venice.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yeah.

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barrycassilly: Well, if we're moving the traffic off of Lincoln to go um north south. We're going to be moving that traffic outside outside of our neighborhood. Yes. Why, don't we put it where it belongs on a freeway and not through our community.

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barrycassilly: Well, I think we can. I think we can advocate for that, but we can't do it because that's out of our purview.

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barrycassilly: But what we can do is slow the traffic down and make it unappealing to. So So here's what i'm gonna open it up to public comment. Um!

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Michael Jensen: But what what are we? We We're trying to establish what we're commenting on here,

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Michael Jensen: gathering

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Michael Jensen: I. This is like a brainstorming session for getting ideas of what we're going to put in a motion so that can come from our brains or from like. Jim has just raised his hand, so I guess I will. We'll see what's in his.

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barrycassilly: Jim. Let's hear from Jim.

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jim murez: I'm muted. So Lincoln Boulevard is not about to become downsized for uh transportation. What's gonna happen and I can tell you that I've been in plenty of transportation meetings,

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jim murez: the the model of the model, the the means of of of modal, that the the of transportation that's going to occur

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jim murez: on Lincoln Boulevard is going to change um. They've already approved a bus lane during peak trip hours um in both the north and the southbound direction, so that Parking Lane is going to go away, and that's going to become

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jim murez: um a a bus lane, depending on what time of day. It is

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jim murez: you have to keep in mind that Caltrans is currently working, and this is at the States level that they're working on changing the Culver Boulevard overpass, which is just outside of our jurisdiction. But it's going to have a tremendous impact on what happens to Lincoln boulevard in our area

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jim murez: the The intersection of Jefferson and Lincoln is eleven lanes wide in the northbound, southbound direction,

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jim murez: and you have to start to think about. Where is that traffic going to be funneled out and off to, and and when you start talking about moving traffic off of Lincoln Boulevard, the next more eastern road that goes north and south is sentenced.

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jim murez: But the destination of we're sent to now is, it takes people into much farther east in in Santa Monica, and that's where the job. The big job market is in downtown Santa Monica. And now, until Santa Monica builds up the residential district in downtown, which they're working on doing very seriously

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jim murez: until that becomes a much higher density area for for residential. There's still going to be a huge amount of commuter traffic going north south from the South Bay through, play this all the way up into Santa Monica,

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jim murez: and and that's really what's going to happen, and that's what's going to dictate The traffic in the future. To think that a light rail is going to come down Lincoln Boulevard any time in the near future. It's the you know that this is

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jim murez: this is one of those things that the Transportation Committee, with Mike Bond and sitting as the President and the chair of it put through as as a way of him, being able to say they're addressing traffic, but the reality of it is

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jim murez: to to put light rail down Lincoln Boulevard. They would have to start doing eminent domain on properties on both the East and the West Side, or at least one side, to create enough additional lane with right Now Cal Trans. Is already

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jim murez: agreed to allow the northbound southbound lanes going through Venice to be reduced in Caltrans's standard plan of of Lane, with, and they did that, so we could end up having both the northbound and a southbound bus line in the in the morning and afternoon hours. So we're already getting a lot of stuff done.

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jim murez: Um. I mean. I would only say that if we're going to increase the density and the height on Lincoln, which I would very much support as long as we have ground floor commercial that we also want to somehow see if we can't

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jim murez: uh make a condition on those developments that everybody starts buying into undergrounding utilities along the same way

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jim murez: and and and clearly we also. And this is something that Robert and I have talked about in Transportation Committee, and it's stuff that I pass already. Hold on, Jim. What's the purpose in undergrounding utilities, I mean. Besides the fact I I I support that just aesthetically, but it it would allow. The most important thing is, it would allow the scale of the structures to be offset by vegetation

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jim murez: right now. The biggest tree that you can put underneath. The them is like a bottle brush which grows to a maximum height. I think of seventeen or eighteen fe as soon as we could put in larger

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jim murez: trees. There you could start to make the larger bill, you know, if you had a six or a ten story building, having a tree that's thirty or forty feet high, starts to create a a much more uh community like street it becomes, you know, a a canopy corridor.

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jim murez: Um, especially if we could create that. And and Robert actually put forward um through the Transportation Committee. Um to the West. La Mobility transportation people for the the improvements on Lincoln, he actually put forward a whole bunch of landscaping ideas that would help

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jim murez: create a more pedestrian friendly street. The problem again, everything he proposed was very small in scale, and for the most part they they rejected most of it, because you know the the city, and they just want to do their thing and

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jim murez: dwp doesn't have to participate in the discussion. And I think you know, if we're going to go to that kind of height.

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jim murez: If you look at Santa Monica in comparison, they're currently building structures

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jim murez: on Lincoln Boulevard that are six and ten stories high. All residential They have no utilities, and the sidewalks are eight to ten feet wide,

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jim murez: and we have eight to ten feet wide sidewalks, but we have power polls that make them very unpleasant. It's just not a nice, you know,

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jim murez: anyway.

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jim murez: So there's all. All i'm saying is, there's a lot going on on Lincoln, and and I would support very much the idea of going up, but I also want you to take into, and you know some of the other, just very briefly, that the transportation considerations that we want should very much be similar to that. That Santa Monica is doing so. When you think about transportation northbound, southbound, we want to have a sign

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jim murez: as people enter into Santa Monica. That's an overhead sign that says, you know you can get on this bus and get to where you're going.

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jim murez: Fifteen minutes faster than if you take your car

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jim murez: and and those those digital billboard things that they put up above the top of the roadway.

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jim murez: Those are the kinds of things we want to see on Lincoln Boulevard, so we can get people out of their cars and into mass transportation. And of course this ties back into. We need to have a very large parking lot on the south end of of Lincoln Boulevard, and and what we proposed for many years is the end of the ninety free way.

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jim murez: Um! Where the Cal trans owns that property, and it's dedicated for transportation use only, you know, before you. I mean I I I have to cut you off. I could go on and on, but there's

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Michael Jensen: so. Um I think i'm gonna pull up just right here. Can you guys see this still?

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Michael Jensen: So? Um the I I think what we want to get to is really the meat of this, which is the height limits.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: uh step backs sort of like we talked about on rows uh, and then also

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Michael Jensen: the buffer area so immediately adjacent, going into the neighborhoods from Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: What kind of step down do we want to take in terms of Multi family? Because I think it's not really realistic to put. You know. I mean. Here we have three to six stories on Lincoln, and then going directly to single family. That's not usually how urban planning goes. So

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Michael Jensen: I it so we can talk about that, and I think they identified it in orange. Here, let me see here, which of these points are we going to talk about.

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Michael Jensen: Well, we I think we can talk about all of them. The height on Lincoln, the hype, and the neighborhoods behind it.

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Michael Jensen: And uh, give us somewhere to start.

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Michael Jensen: Okay? Well, I I and I. I want to talk about one specific area as well.

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Michael Jensen: Um. South of Washington on Lincoln Boulevard, which is right here the kale You're giving us too much stuff all at once. Can Can we go backwards and deal with the stuff you already brought up? Yes, okay, fine,

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Michael Jensen: fine, very

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Michael Jensen: um!

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Michael Jensen: That. So if you look at this map right here, you see Lincoln Boulevard, and then the orange

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Michael Jensen: sort of uh behind it. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: those are

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Michael Jensen: uh residential, adjacent multi-family proposed lots

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Michael Jensen: or areas.

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Michael Jensen: I tend to agree with that kind of approach

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barrycassilly: I disagree strongly

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barrycassilly: with putting multi-unit there.

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Michael Jensen: What do you mean? Step back

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barrycassilly: um! The The building should go straight up.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Well, that's the I reference the step back that we did on

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Michael Jensen: um

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Michael Jensen: rose. But you're saying, No, these go straight up.

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Michael Jensen: That's fine. I guess.

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barrycassilly: Maybe maybe i'm misunderstanding you. We're you're talking about the back of the buildings across the alley from residential.

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Michael Jensen: Well, i'm talking about two different things. One is a transition sort of zone between what is currently single family and what

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Michael Jensen: um is currently commercial,

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Michael Jensen: but in the future will be still single family, but commercial with a lot higher heights.

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Michael Jensen: So between those two, putting multi-family that is somewhere in between,

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Michael Jensen: So are you, saying to put multi-family on the first floor, or only in the above floors

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Michael Jensen: behind Lincoln, where you currently have the blocks behind Lincoln, which right now are currently all single family. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: turning those into multi units, so that when you you don't go from

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Michael Jensen: uh,

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lauren siegel: who are you suggesting that, Mikhail, how far back. Are you suggesting on that first block off Link? And are you suggesting a whole block of it a half a block like? How do you know where to start and where to stop.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I I don't um, so I think I I don't know whether a block transition makes sense. I mean, I I also don't know how long the blocks are there, because it's sort of an odd, are there, Cross?

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lauren siegel: Yes, there's also ally's parallel to Lincoln, too. Right there

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: you want. You don't want to go beyond the alley.

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barrycassilly: You don't me tell it. Would it make sense to start with what

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Jeff Martin: the planning department

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Michael Jensen: it doesn't really show where the alleys are. But like there is definitely an alley. I don't know whether it's five hundred feet back from Lincoln.

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lauren siegel: Yeah, it depends from block to block. It changes. There's alleys that are right behind the commercial. So that's probably why all of these are different. These blocks are different. Yes,

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barrycassilly: sizes, and I can. I can see the all in most cases. So the orange is. The orange is generally on the east side of the islands

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Michael Jensen: Mhm.

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barrycassilly: So So this is the planning departments

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barrycassilly: uh proposal is to have like

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barrycassilly: higher density than exists residential zoning um for those lots. It looks like they're talking about maybe three lots deep, but I can't tell, because you can't see through the orange.

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Michael Jensen: I'm just trying to pull up like a.

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I go to maps.

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jim murez: Can I say something while you're pulling it up?

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Michael Jensen: Sure to

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jim murez: so um. So Westwood village back in the seventies went through this for the Wilshire corridor, and there is an example. If you wanted to look at what the washer corridor, as it goes between Uh Beverly Glen and Westwood Boulevard,

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jim murez: what they did for the residential neighborhood that was directly behind that when they built all the high rises It's just a pointer reference,

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Michael Jensen: so

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Michael Jensen: it's looking like

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Jeff Martin: it looks like it looks like six or seven lots, maybe.

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Michael Jensen: Let me see across you here. It's hard because it's the angles are different, so I have to. So

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there's no we to

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barrycassilly: need? Uh,

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barrycassilly: okay, we're not going to figure out exactly how far back they're going, but how, what? What intensity of use are they talking about, or what intensity of residential use.

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Jeff Martin: So they set up to four stories for that buffer zone. So basically for Lincoln, they're saying five to seven stories is their recommended height on Lincoln, and then the buffer zone they're saying up to four stories for multi-family. So okay, we take those one at a time.

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Um,

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barrycassilly: What do people think about? Four stories in the orange?

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I think it's good.

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jim murez: But are you conditioning that to not being able to receive any density bonuses after that, and that's both in the Lincoln Corridor, which would take him up to ten stories or in the residential. No, i'm asking that we not talk about. We're talking one thing at a time. I'm talking about the orange.

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Michael Jensen: That's what i'm saying. So exclusive of density bonuses. So so not including them

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Michael Jensen: four stories. There, Jim, you're saying. Then you can tack on to that density bonuses for additional affordable housing

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jim murez: issue for barry Who's going to say, Wait a minute. I have a two-story house directly up, budding this four-story house that's now been taken to six stories, because they were allowed to create a density bonus, and I would say to you in response: Gee! What is the sun Study Show in the afternoon? Because you're on the east side of the street? Does that mean that that two story house is never going to see the time of day accepted high, new.

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jim murez: And I think that that's the kind of impact you have to think about, because four stories next door to a two-story house is always going to be looking down into their backyard that you're not going to get away from the question is, what's it going to do? The light?

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Michael Jensen: Well, everybody everywhere in Venice has somebody looking into their backyard? So I think that's an issue. So I would say that I mean, I I understand what you're saying, Jim. Um! And and maybe we want to talk about that. But I would say, for sure on Lincoln Boulevard.

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Michael Jensen: We do not want

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Michael Jensen: um.

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Michael Jensen: We don't want to be limiting the density bonuses

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barrycassilly: we were talking about the orange. Let's get finished with the orange.

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barrycassilly: Um, I and I take it into account everything, Jim just said.

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barrycassilly: If I lived adjacent to the orange, and I was the residential lot there, I would think,

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barrycassilly: you know, four stories. Next to my two to three story building is quite reasonable, like suddenly having a seven to eight story building there I might not find that reasonable,

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barrycassilly: so my comment would be I wouldn't apply the density bonuses in the orange,

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Michael Jensen: and I actually quite. I wonder whether you can do that Because, aren't those density bonuses,

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Jeff Martin: or you could. You could do a transitional height on lots adjacent to a single family zoned lot. So the the back, Let's say it's six lots deep of orange a lot, Jason. So any lot that's adjacent to single family, r one zoning

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Jeff Martin: would have a a transitional height limit, maxed at forty-five feet, so that they'd have to have a setback against that lot if you want, and you wouldn't be able to get around that exceed that with a density Bonus: Yeah, the transitional height would supersede that so if let's say you're doing a three lot multi-family development in the orange

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Jeff Martin: part of the lot could do the density bonus height increase, maybe for eleven feet right from forty-five or to to fifty-six, but the one part adjacent to the single family would have to have a transitional height,

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Jeff Martin: keeping it at only forty five feet, so that that single family is not shadow that that's kind of how they do it now with like C two. Next to single family there's a transitional height in that same scenario across. La, so it's not. It's not unusual when you're next to single family zoning to have a transitional height requirement.

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barrycassilly: I think that's an excellent point in that that that addresses the issue that we're all thinking about here. It's obviously a good thing to be able to have a density bonus and um to allow you to put in on some low income housing. Um,

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Michael Jensen: and there's also the but I think you can just you can. You can do that on Lincoln, and maybe not behind it. And that's okay.

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barrycassilly: Well, I think it's okay to do it behind it as long as the with the transitional, Yeah, okay, that's my view. And And what about Lot consolidation, Jim? You're talking to him. I am muting him. I Jim, you're not on this committee. I'm like

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barrycassilly: you didn't have to say it like that. But but, Kell, keep in mind. You have to take public comment on every issue you're going to recommend. So do you want to make it an open conversation, or do you want them recommended to stop and have individual motions? We haven't recommended anything yet.

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Michael Jensen: I think we already took public comment. But

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barrycassilly: i'll tell you what, Jim, I'll open it to public comment, and you can.

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barrycassilly: What's the public commenting on. There's no public comment on our discussion. We're just It's We're just discussing this.

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Andrew Mika: I i'm gonna i'm gonna go. This has not been a productive discussion.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks, Andrew. Have a good night.

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lauren siegel: Can we try and get a handle on all of the areas that we want to cover tonight. Because you had mentioned Mikhail that you had something else you wanted to talk about as well. Can we just do an overview of all the potential discussion points?

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Michael Jensen: Um!

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Michael Jensen: The part I wanted to bring up was south of Washington and east of Lincoln. There's a strip,

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Michael Jensen: and what is sort of not No Man's Land, because it's actually, I think, part of two specific plans,

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Michael Jensen: but it's an area that is right off the ninety,

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Michael Jensen: and

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Michael Jensen: is

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Michael Jensen: also not directly adjacent to single-family housing

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Michael Jensen: which I think presents a really right place for

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Michael Jensen: uh taller than you know. Five seven stories

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Michael Jensen: um where you could build real uh, you know,

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Michael Jensen: tall buildings, a lot of housing,

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Michael Jensen: and it's in an area that, I think is easy to get to. And I mean also, if you look at the Marina, you know they're building down here. They're building thousands of units

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Michael Jensen: right next door,

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Michael Jensen: and that's the county. But

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Michael Jensen: this area, I think

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Michael Jensen: so it is. If you know where. What? Sorry. Not that corner triangle Western Lincoln as well.

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Michael Jensen: This corner triangle right here already has, I mean,

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Michael Jensen: sure this one is is potentially just just as good, Lauren about the whole triangle.

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Michael Jensen: This whole thing. Well, this is all single the purple triangle at the end. She's asking about that right here. I'm i'm moving. I maybe you can't see my i'm tracing it right here. So there's a Let's see what is there. Um,

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Michael Jensen: There's already a few apartment buildings in there.

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barrycassilly: I'm not mistaken. Where are the green towers

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barrycassilly: that's over here. That's county. No, that's in Venice.

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Michael Jensen: No,

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barrycassilly: really.

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jim murez: Oh, okay, Jim. The three towers. The three towers are in that in that blue area zone dem one directly next to it. There's a four story building that's in a condo complex There's also a Ralph's grocery store there, directly abutting the Ralph's grocery store on the backside, where there's a daycare center on the backside of the Ralph's grocery store. Directly to the south of that there is where Cedar Sinai has taken the M. One property that's owned in a trust by a family that

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jim murez: didn't know what to do with it, and turned it into their parking lot for for Cedar Sinai. That's going in across the street. The

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jim murez: that's from Maxella down. And and so we're Maxella. That's the name of that right So you're seeing where it says Lincoln Boulevard, and there's a jog on the east side of the upper right there, where you got to excel up to mix. So on. And so it's directly across the street, all of that that purple. So then we just take it off this meeting soon, too.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Well, do we have any ideas that are coming out of this that we want to bring in for a motion or

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barrycassilly: no? We want to. We want to like actually discuss stuff Um,

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barrycassilly: like we have the orange area. We have the purple area we have, and you've identified the area that's in purple as being like south of Washington Boulevard that you think is distinct from. So we have three areas of discussion, Right?

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barrycassilly: Yes, okay.

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Michael Jensen: So yeah. And my my one other comment about the orange is Why, Aren't, we doing it on the other side of the street?

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Michael Jensen: Where

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Michael Jensen: um it's single family. So those people are richer

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lauren siegel: coastal Commission. Perhaps.

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barrycassilly: No. This this plan is on both sides of Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. I mean

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Michael Jensen: what part of it? The east side of Lincoln Doesn't have coastal commission. Uh,

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Michael Jensen: you know,

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Michael Jensen: uh doesn't require the coastal commission blessing,

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Michael Jensen: but that doesn't mean, I mean, this is this plan has to go through the coastal commission, anyway. Wire, but it just. It seems strange to me that we wouldn't be mirroring

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barrycassilly: the transition on Lincoln

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barrycassilly: with what people coastal.

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barrycassilly: So all those people are going to be like going crazy. If you talk about doing anything to that area, we shouldn't base our opinions on how people are going to react, We should do what we think is right.

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barrycassilly: Okay?

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Michael Jensen: Well look. I mean on the east side of like, and you have Evna and a bunch of people who also don't like you who aren't gonna like the same thing. So I I think this is sort of like,

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barrycassilly: uh. Can we finish with what we're deciding about the the east side of Lincoln. And then, if you all want to say, let's apply that to the west side of Lincoln and be uh even handed about it. I'm: fine with that.

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barrycassilly: Okay? So what else do we want to talk about on the orange? I think we we had that you can only go to forty-five feet in the last lot of orange, with which, with a but like our our one,

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barrycassilly: and then you could get a density bonus in the rest of it if you wanted to. Um do some low income housing,

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barrycassilly: and that's it. We we're done there, Right?

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barrycassilly: Yeah, I think so. Okay. Now we're on to Lincoln Boulevard itself. Um! And Jim had said, and I think a lot of people feel like you have to maintain your commercial on the first floor.

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Michael Jensen: Sure,

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barrycassilly: What about these cyclones?

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Michael Jensen: So what are we? Five to seven,

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barrycassilly: five to seven, and and you can get a density bonus to go up to ten was my understanding,

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barrycassilly: because I I think I think ten is good. I think five is way too low,

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Michael Jensen: but if properly incentivized, we shouldn't get many five stories

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barrycassilly: right?

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barrycassilly: Well, I don't know what they mean by three to six and five to seven. It should be five to seven. Forget the three to six. Nothing should be three stories tall on Lincoln in the future.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I wonder whether they're talking about the West Side versus the East Side.

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barrycassilly: It should be the same. It should be five to seven up to ten with density bonuses.

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barrycassilly: So that's a good point. If they are saying that we want to clearly stipulate that five to seven of both sides.

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barrycassilly: Well, it's like absurdly, I mean, I I understand people objecting to. You know the orange being different, but it is Walk streets over there, you know. There's no walk through it. System Lincoln. Um! But to presume that you know one side of the same street is going to be radically different.

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barrycassilly: Uh, because of why there's but I would even say, with walk streets, I mean, we have walk streets by the beach, and there's tons of apartment buildings on them. Okay. But I I Okay, Okay, I lost that argument. I gave up. Okay, Sorry. I mentioned that.

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Michael Jensen: But I mean, i'm just saying I mean a walk Street doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a quaint little neighborhood we we have. I give up doubly You're right. So i'm gonna um. I I I mean, do we have any thing we want to add, or do we think this is sufficient sort of put together um

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Michael Jensen: emotion. And

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Michael Jensen: uh, all right. I can take our comments from tonight. Put it into something like we did last time, and then we can put it on for for an actual motion. Okay, I'm going to. I'll.

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Michael Jensen: I'm going to allow Jim to speak one more time

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barrycassilly: and then we are going to end the meeting. So we have to talk about your purple area

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Michael Jensen: One second, one second I still need to understand. So, Mikhail, you're going to write something up, and at the next meeting Are we still gonna We need to get public common? We need to be able to change it on the fly right? Because not so we'll, we'll put it. I'll i'll put stuff into. I'll sort of make like a menu of options,

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Michael Jensen: and it'll be in a format of a motion, and then we can go through and hear public comments on it, and then we can modify it accordingly.

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lauren siegel: So I I don't know if this is appropriate time. But you know there's that meeting happening next week that the Usc. Architecture students are presenting ideas for Venice and Um. They are. There's several groups that are tackling Lincoln. So um first off

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lauren siegel: I would love to invite all of you guys, but also i'd love to hear what they have to say and understand if it makes sense, if we want to make any changes before we've when when is that presentation that's happening on Wednesday the fourteenth, let me just double check my calendar.

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lauren siegel: Yes, Wednesday the fourteenth. The presentation is uh with Kristoff and his students undergrad Grad students architecture students. Um, They've just focused all, only on Venice, and it's, I think, six to eight, and it's over at the Hotel Erwin.

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lauren siegel: They're presenting it to the community. So they were intending on presenting to Lupik. But there's no so they're going to invite Lupik and the Vnc. And any other community members. So I I think it just finalized the details today. It'll be coming out in the next couple of days. But

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lauren siegel: I just want us to be open to hearing what they have to say about Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so. Um.

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barrycassilly: But what but what? I, Mikhail, you identified a third area of discussion. That was the area of Lincoln that was south of Washington Bolivar.

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Michael Jensen: Future motion is that that May. That's going to be higher than

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Michael Jensen: uh what is it? Five to seven or ten with um,

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Michael Jensen: five to seven with ten in a density bonus

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Michael Jensen: uh fashion.

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barrycassilly: I think I think that sounds reasonable. But what what height are you talking about?

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Michael Jensen: Um! Does anyone know how tall that the green buildings are.

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barrycassilly: There's not Jim

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lauren siegel: huge.

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barrycassilly: No, they're not huge. They're only about twenty stories tall.

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Michael Jensen: Well, we're not. I mean not necessarily. I mean if we look at the Marina City Club. That's I mean, maybe it's not twenty stories, but that's got to be

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barrycassilly: fifteen. Fifteen.

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Michael Jensen: Um! Those are very in keeping with everything around the Marina and those were built, you know. You know I don't know how many decades ago. Um and all of the new Marina apartment buildings,

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Michael Jensen: I mean. They gotta be between six and eight stories, and I would I mean not that that's tall, but they are six and eight stories and run, for,

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barrycassilly: you know, half a mile continuously in every direction.

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Michael Jensen: So

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barrycassilly: we we don't have to decide now, but but I think those are areas where we can look at

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Michael Jensen: um real density in a way that is meaningful.

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Hmm.

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barrycassilly: So twenty stories

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barrycassilly: we'll see what the consensus is next time. Okay, cool.

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Michael Jensen: I think that's That's the Okay. Does that sound good, Everyone.

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jim murez: Thank you for sticking around. We're gonna let me speak. I was gonna let everybody go home for us, Jim. No, no, we want to hear about him, as I say. What? So? So there's There's a couple of things that you got to keep in mind, first of all, that that purple strip you're talking about between Maxwell and Washington, and the reason that it's very unique is because it's only one parcel deep. In other words, it's Lincoln on one side and Del Ray on the back side,

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jim murez: and that makes it very unique. And on Del Ray, on the East Side, which belongs to the Del Rey Neighborhood Council. They've already gone to six stories at least, or more, on all of the new construction that's happening there, so it would echo the same thing on the on our in our neighborhood council, if that was allowed to be ten stories or more. The other thing I wanted to mention about the orange part that you know, and and actually all of the linking cord or development that you're talking about

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jim murez: right now in the specific plan and in the land use plan. There's a three lot maximum consolidation.

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jim murez: If you're talking about allowing people to to try and develop to to five to seven stories, or whatever it was on Lincoln, or if they got to be able to tie more than three lots, you know the if a lot is only thirty. V. Why, it's impossible to do, especially with the party iterations. So you also have to take into account somehow. You know How many lots are you going to allowed to be tied Because you don't want to have these terribly narrow buildings that you know you can't have an elevator in, because it's, and that or Jim that was your best point.

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Michael Jensen: Um! That was one of his very good points, was wow, very, very even, agreed i'm. I only my only correction would be that things cannot be very unique. They either are unique or not. But on that note i'm, i'm, i'm just i'm being

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Michael Jensen: uh you're being

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Michael Jensen: um, And when does it close?

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jim murez: Okay. So everybody keep that that line in mind.

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jim murez: Yeah, we'll. We'll be putting uh information on the website in the next couple of days.

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barrycassilly: Thank you. Everybody for sticking around.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks. Guys have a good Have a good holiday,

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barrycassilly: Don't forget December fourteenth.

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lauren siegel: All right, Mikhail. I'm gonna send you something, and you can send it out.