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jim murez: Hey, Isabel, your host? Now?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hi, Michael, I know. Well,

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Isabelle Duvivier: I can't hear you. No? Well,

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Isabelle Duvivier: okay. So we have two guests here who i'm not familiar with. I just wondered if they wanted to introduce themselves. We have Angelo and David.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: you guys, I've allowed you to unmute. If you wanted to introduce yourselves real quick to the group.

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David Morales: Uh hello! I'm. Just a student, because I have this Government project. I have to do to join us. A neighborhood council meeting.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, great, well welcome. This is the best one around.

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David Morales: I go to San Pedro high uh, but it didn't say it if I have to stay like local.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, yeah, Well, that's great. Actually. Um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I'm: I represent a different group called the Community Forest Advisory Committee and San Pedro actually doesn't have a C fact. Rep: So it's great that you're here joining us, and maybe it'll inspire you to start your own group over. There

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David Morales: is Angela, one of the other students.

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David Morales: Thank you. Nice to meet you, too.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: This i'm gonna start my video. It's eleven thirty-two.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I think we um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: We should probably start the meeting. I don't know who else is coming.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I know that my husband is watching the World Cup right now, so

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Isabelle Duvivier: I have a feeling we're gonna have lost a few folks to that.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um! Here comes Sarah.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um!

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hi, Sarah!

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hi, guys!

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hi!

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: How's it going?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Good! I have two names coming. Let's let me just check welcome to David and Angelo. I was on the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I've been on here for a while, so I heard that their students doing a government project

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that's great

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: good to know. High school students are getting to know local government.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. And maybe then, sir, you should run the meeting. Since I am not the best. I am not the most

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Isabelle Duvivier: formal at running meetings.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, but we have. It looks like we have another student. Maybe Logan is also a student.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh, let's see. I'm just gonna

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Isabelle Duvivier: alrighty.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh, I think maybe

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Isabelle Duvivier: Sarah, can I have you.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Can I promote you to something so that you can help me keep an eye on the make co-host, so you can help me keep an eye on the attendance. Yeah, Absolutely.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So I am a co-host now. So I just need to show participants. Yeah, there we go. Okay,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. And and everybody has already been um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: allowed in correct.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, So um. Angelo and Logan. I've promoted them to panelists. I don't think they wanted to be panelists, which is totally okay. But I just want you guys to know that you're more than welcome to um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Either be panelists or not, and you're more than welcome to talk

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Isabelle Duvivier: um and i'm just letting Lisa for me on in.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So we have a few people who are here today who might not normally attend um, because we may have somebody from the Del Ray Garden center coming to talk to us. So I see Lisa feminiani is here from Lmu. Hi Lisa

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um. And Richard Hamel may also be showing up. Um. So know that the Um.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So let me clear up. With regard to the Marina

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Garden Center. I didn't know you were talking about the Marina Garden center when you, said Del Rey. The Marina garden center has changed hands,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and um! They are not coming today. We are setting a date for them to come

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh, so we could talk about that later in the meeting.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay, all right. So uh, shall we start the meeting?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Let's go ahead. Okay. So uh, Sarah, Do you want to run it, or do you want me to run it? Um! I'll run it if you like me, too. I mean, i'm. I'm gonna need some help, because I really haven't. As you know, I haven't focused on this. I just finished hosting Thanksgiving for fourteen people, and it was taking up most of my week.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, Um, so. But what would be helpful is if somebody wanted to take

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: notes.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Would you be able to do that? Uh, Isabel? So once you, what you can do is just open this in word, I don't know if you have it. In a word, though, do you

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Probably not? That's fine. I can. I can do that. Okay. So take notes, and then you can pass your notes to me later so that I can do the Um, the minutes. Okay.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So calling to order um, the roll call uh

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Sarah is here. Obviously Isabella's here. Mark is not here. Noella is here. Barry is not here, and Michael Mcguffin is here. Did anyone speak? Hi, Michael? Did anyone speak to Barry this morning?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No, it has very returned to the area.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? So she's still away. Yeah. Okay. Um. Okay. So uh, has anyone reviewed? And do you want to make comments about the minutes from October's meeting?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I didn't see those minutes. Sorry I don't. I don't think Actually, you know it now that i'm saying that the September minutes were posted, but the October minutes were not yet posted. Um, I happen to know that because that's what I do. Um, but the uh so I don't believe that we passed

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the September minutes at the October meeting, so has anyone had an opportunity to review? And do you have any comments on the minutes from the September meeting?

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Isabelle Duvivier: I know maybe next month you could include him in the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: when you mail them out. Okay, so is would that make it more convenient for you guys to have it attached to the email that um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: sends the meeting out. Okay, I'll do that. That's fine. Okay, So that's moving on to public comment.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Does anybody in the public have a comment that they would like to make. Um! That is not on the agenda today.

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Robin Murez: I do It's Robin. I'm robin

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Robin Murez: um. So sorry it's not specifically arbor, but I think you all will care um. The Venice Lifeguard tower at the beach. You know the um the best station like our tower. Um, the county is,

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Robin Murez: has a plan to tear it down

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Robin Murez: and to leave behind the single story I saw of a building. Um! They did not bring this to the community, to the Venice Neighborhood Council, to the Lifeguards. They are doing this

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Robin Murez: uh without that kind of transparency. Um! We are trying to save it, and i'll be sending out like a petition for everybody to sign, to show public support, and I hope that you will support it. Um! The idea is to

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Robin Murez: I want to interrupt this. This has nothing to do with with Arbor, and i'm I worked on that tower for a number of years, and I don't think this is the Forum for that item, Sarah, if you just I I just was bringing up because it's an environmental issue because it's a public place that

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Noel Johnston: it has me. It's a very complicated issue, Robin, and I don't think that that uh, just an appeal to save the Life Guard tower as appropriate for this Forum. I really I strongly believe that.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, we don't. Really, we don't really have time to discuss that particular issue, Robin. But thank you for letting us know. And um, let's move on to any other comments that have to do with the Venice arbor, policy, or or actions, Any other public comment.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I might like to just ask our students from Sam Pedro uh why they chose our committee if they felt comfortable, using this as an opportunity to make a public comment. It would be lovely to hear what they selected ours out of all the different committees they could have come to.

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David Morales: Um. This is David. Uh, I picked the Venice uh

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David Morales: sorry the committee, because, uh, we also live by the beach, and there's not much like, you know, going on there. I want to see if there's anything that we have might have like the same issue,

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David Morales: and I don't know if there is any other solutions to that as well.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Good answer.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And Logan is your classmate. Is that correct

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: login? Are you there?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hi, Logan, How are you?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Uh? And and you're also living in San Pedro. Is that that where you go to school

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Great? Okay. And um, Did you guys have an assignment to um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: from your government?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, it's like we have to do like seven hours of like either government or like ten to the Volunteer Act, I see. Okay, Great? Well, thank you. Maybe. Um, Maybe you'd like to spend the rest of your volunteer hours on doing some work with us in the field. Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. Okay,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So moving on to reports. Um,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I have very little to report. So i'm just gonna go ahead and hand off to Isabel.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh, I just wanted to see if you all got the email I sent last week. Uh, Paul, Correct has another amazing motion that's coming before um. I think it was the planning or the Environmental Committee. I'm: just looking for that email

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Isabelle Duvivier: um to share it with you.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And you sent it out right? Oh, I see it. Yes, yeah. Can you share it, Sarah? I think I can hold on. I'm just pulling it up. Um! Oh, it's just taking us to the La La City.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, you can go there and over in the right corner it says Motion. And if you click on that, that's a live link. Actually, it would be great to share that with our students, because they could see how easily they can tap into cities uh resources.

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Noel Johnston: Isabel and uh Sarah at the top of the motion page it says: Energy come a climate change, environmental justice and a river works trade, travel and tourism. I don't know what that means. That's the subcommittee's name or the committee's name. It's a committee of the

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay. Can everybody see my screen? Yes. So you can see the La City Connect. Yes, Okay, No quicker motion. See the motion in the upper right corner. Yeah. Click on that. That's a live link,

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Isabelle Duvivier: and it'll take you to his motion, which is a little bit long, but it's um. The The bottom line is super exciting.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh, he talks about the fact that we have a biodiversity motion that the Bureau of Sanitation is an expert panel. Where are you looking at the paragraph? The last paragraph of this page? No. I'm, summarizing the first line of each paragraph. So i'm. Now, looking at the third paragraph, it says that

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Isabelle Duvivier: we're in a biodiversity crisis. We're ninety percent of our local um pollinators are going extinct, whereas um, it's part of a larger climate issue. Blah blah blah covid lockdown, or people spending time outdoors. We're not California landscaping is unique. I'm kind of paraphrasing. But,

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Isabelle Duvivier: um

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Isabelle Duvivier: uh, there are many native plants and trees that we can select from, and if you go to the next page, therefore,

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Isabelle Duvivier: he directs all relevant uh government agencies to who install landscaping, including history, recreation and Park Bureau of Engineering, blah, blah, Blah World Airports department of water and power to plant only appropriate native plants and trees, except in situations where plants and trees are designed to produce food for human consumption.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So that's really super significant. Well, that was the language that was in the um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: in the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: motion that we passed, but it was suggested to us

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: by um, I can't remember his name Cfc. And Um. By Charles Miller, Charles Miller, and that with us. So this is great. This is this is amazing. So this is coming. If you go back to where you were just at it. May

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Isabelle Duvivier: it may tell us when it's coming before. So I believe this past that committee. Let's see motion referred to. Okay, So it's going to this committee. I don't know when, but I have. If you this is actually super interesting. If you look at the top of this page. There's

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Isabelle Duvivier: um an envelope, a printer, a new. If you click on the envelope

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Isabelle Duvivier: you can follow this particular item. So if you put your email address in there, and you hit, subscribe. You will get notifications from the city whenever this item is coming up for a motion.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um. So I Don't know when it's going to be before the energy, climate change, environmental justice and River Committee. Um subcommittee of the Neighborhood Council, I mean, of the City Council. But now we will be able to follow it Right? Okay,

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Isabelle Duvivier: And I see that Michael has his hand up. So I don't know if he needs to um. Go ahead, Michael.

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Michael McGuffin: Sure um!

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Michael McGuffin: I love it. It's great, Except for the last paragraph which says

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Michael McGuffin: I further moved to the City Council request the city attorney draft and ordinance; banning citywide by two thousand and twenty-five, the sale of non-native plants and trees and stores, nursery wholesalers, and others and from other entities that sell landscaping plants. That means

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Michael McGuffin: if that pass we couldn't buy, you know, banana plants, or maybe we could, because those are food plants. But we couldn't buy roses. We couldn't buy jasmine.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, those character could be considered um food plants jasmine. I don't think it's a I I do. I kind of agree with Michael on this, because I think that there are going to be unintended consequences

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh, from

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: something that's as restrictive as that, especially after what David Muffley told us about our native coast. Live oaks are now

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Michael McGuffin: um not surviving as well at the coast, because the weather has changed, and there's more moisture coming off the coast, and so those trees are suffering from fungus, whatever. So i'm sorry am I going to be able to get, You know, house plants P. Those and sense of areas. And I again, I just think it goes too far. I'm. Also, I think it'll damage the businesses of nurseries to not be able to sell what their customers want. Um. I also

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Michael McGuffin: can imagine that this is here because they've passed too many times where they

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Michael McGuffin: tell the pub. You know the managers of public space to do this, and then they ignore it. So maybe they're trying to make the inventory completely unavailable for anything else. Anyway, just a concern on that one detail. The rest of it's wonderful

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Isabelle Duvivier: potentially um right um

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Isabelle Duvivier: to be blah or whatever. Keeping in mind that it's gonna probably morph, and there's gonna be quite a battle to even get this pass. So um. But I also wanna say that Angelo and um somebody else has their hand up.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: No? Well, I think

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh Doesn't! Does Angela have his hand up?

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Isabelle Duvivier: I thought he did

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Noel Johnston: somebody. One of our panels has their hand up. No, Noelle has her hand up. Go ahead, Noelle. Uh! I just wanted to chime in and say good, because it was what I was going to say also was that I thought that was a little punitive. They he does qualify or qualify it to some degree by saying,

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Noel Johnston: um entities that sell landscaping plants, so it isn't it isn't every nursery under the sun. It's the ones that's also so landscaping. But I gotta agree with you, Michael. I think it's. Um. I think it's reasonable up to that point. And at this point I think it becomes too um punitive to our our nurseries. And and actually there's

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Noel Johnston: nothing evil about a house plan. No, there's nothing evil about a house plan. I have lots of them. Um, I also think Same thing with uh with herbs, you know

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Noel Johnston: a lot of non-native herbs, and there are things that have been planted for such a long time in Los Angeles that they thought of as being made. It was, even though they're not um that that's pretty much all that I wanted to say about this. I wish it had gone a little further

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Noel Johnston: um and in another area. But I think that's probably enough for this motion, because I agree with Isabel. Also that I think there's probably going to be a struggle to get this through. I thought it was interesting to see that it was seconded by Mitchell Farrell.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Was this the um? Was this? Was this, actually the language that was advanced by Um, Charles Miller,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do we know if this actually came from Charles Miller?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know you don't know. Okay, Okay, thanks for your comments now. Well, I I So at least three of us are feeling that that last

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: portion of the motion might be too restrictive. And actually I mean my I think the biggest issue is that it? It will have it. It could have unintended consequences, of course, because of the shift in weather. We're going to have to perhaps

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: plant things that were native, you know, three hours south of us,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: because that heat and that

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: change in climate is going to affect what can survive and thrive in our basin.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, So um. Any other comments.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Anything else in your report?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um: In my report. No? Okay. Um, no. Well, would you like to report on what's going on with Vvg:

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Noel Johnston: Um, Sure. I think we've been. We've been continuing our Saturday morning uh three maintenance um efforts, and we are tomorrow morning We're going to be working on uh Vernon opposite the Skills center. We're going to be um

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Noel Johnston: uh working on a parkway.

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Noel Johnston: Um! And we are, of course, always looking for volunteers, and I think we have a few for tomorrow. I'm i'm feeling i'm feeling uh pretty good about our planning. Our cork oaks are all looking better uh they have some new growth on them. That's encouraging. I think right now the um

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Noel Johnston: uh around the farmers market needs watering um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So it looks like we have an agenda of all new business which is exciting, can I? Um, Can I? I I suggest, Sarah, that since Lisa's here, and I don't know if she wants to stay for the whole meeting, that maybe we just have a quick discussion about how the del Ray thing came up since she brought this to our attention

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Isabelle Duvivier: and um, and just kinda put a a a pin in it later, even though it's good, it may come back to us. It may not. Um, but i'm i'm interested to hear if there's any, follow up with her. If she's interested in sharing that with us. Is that all right, Sarah? If we do that

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: well, you're talking about the follow up with Flora grub.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, cause Lisa is here for that that item, and that's not on the agenda, but I think she wanted to share, so I would. I would like to start by um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh giving some facts to the assembled folks, because I don't think everybody knows about this Lisa um contacted us with regard to the felling of a sycamore on the property of the Marina Garden Center to,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I was told there was only one that actually came down.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay? So well, i'll i'll. I'll give you the facts, as I understand them from the person who actually cut the tree down.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um! So I did. I got. I had already contacted this nursery at Isabel suggestion, in order to try to get them to move their native trees and native plants farther to the front of the nursery to really sort of call attention to them.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and she call me back almost immediately, literally within five minutes, and she said, Oh, my God! You know I want you to know that that we are tree people, and that we support the planting of natives all throughout the city of San Francisco, and we intend to have that, you know same role wherever we go.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um so. But this this picture is very revealing, because it does look to me like two trees have come down.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, now that i'm looking at it, and I do not know if she is actually on site.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So she told me that they were not natives. These are London plane trees and um Lisa. I'm sorry that I didn't copy you on my response to her, because I had a long conversation with her in which she I told her. You know you really do need to talk to

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So she told me that they are going to be restoring a waterway that travels on the property,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: However, it is her lease. She's leasing it from the county or no, she's leading it from the State. It's actually Cal Transland, and so she has complete control over it. Once she's least it

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, paying attention, and that we really don't want any more trees to be cut down. And she said to me that they do not have immediate plans to cut down any more trees, so I I thought, you know. Hold your enemies close. Now hold your friends close, and your enemies closer. So I said to her, Hey,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: why don't you come and present your plans to the Venice over committee and tell us what your plans are, and so I think we can question her at that time and tell her we want you to leave the remaining mature trees there, and we're going to watch

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Can you at least to speak? Sarah? Yeah. So, Lisa, what what questions do you have, or things that you'd like to say? Information, consume part. So first of all, thank you for including me in this discussion, and thank you for following up on this issue. And Sarah, can I just say You are an amazing ambassador,

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: for you know, presenting a a situation that could be presented in a you know, a firestorm to this new owner. You handled it so beautifully that you've now got her willing to communicate with you is first of all, that's a huge. Her

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: I I've been visiting this nursery for about thirty years. There are two interesting water features on the property, and yes, it is owned by Cal. Trans. And they can at any time

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: they could evict this this nursery, and and do something with the land.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: The first water feature is it the entrance, but it's very peculiar. It's it's

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: It's connected to coverted drains that sometimes fill with water, and about three or four years ago, in mysteriously filled up. They had like a pond there, and they couldn't figure out what was going on,

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: and then it just as mysteriously The next season disappeared. The other one is along the ninety freeway exit ramp, and that water feature has a grove of what I think are are sycamores, those Aren't London planes,

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: and I couldn't tell the day I went to visit, and I took a whole bunch of pictures and sent them to you, and is about whether the trees they cut down. You can't tell. Once they've been cut down like that unless you're a botanist and can key it out.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: They could have been London planes, but something tells me they were sycamores. Now, maybe you know the trees she's familiar with up in San Francisco are a little different. We do know that London planes hybridize, and so that's a complication in this whole matter. But your main point, which I again commend you is,

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: we should be doing everything in our efforts to save our mature trees, whether they're native or non native because they're established. They've managed to survive twenty years of severe drought. If they're still with us, they're doing something right to survive, and they're providing shade. So

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: that's really all I I wanted to share. Um, and I I so appreciate you taking this up, because again the last thing I want to mention is you you got her attention? She now knows there's groups down here who care deeply about our trees,

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: and she's going to hopefully. Pay attention going forward. Thank you.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You're welcome, Lisa, and well thank you for calling it to our attention. I mean, I think you know we just were lucky that we were actually already in a conversation with that

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Janin Paine: That was amazing. And i'm so glad that we're in touch with. Sorry i'm a little sick um in touch with uh this person, and I didn't know there was a new person there. One thing I just wanted to say just throughout. There is a whole along the whole south side of that property between, I think, the ninety freeway and the fence for the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know. Key obviously is that we have to find out really what the extent of her lease is. Where does it end? Where does it begin? Um, there are she? She did say. I did ask for this question, and I still i'm still not clear, because we were like pointing at a map.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There are people living in there, too, so you know it's. You have to be sensitive to that. Um. And

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: but you're absolutely right. There's tons of space we can in. I don't know if that's part of her least space, or that's a buffer. That's what i'm saying, I don't. I asked her about it, and she said, her land does extend quite a bit beyond

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You could put a mini miniature forest in there easily. You could do a meeting forest, anyway. Isabel

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Isabelle Duvivier: and several years ago you may have recalled, I think we might have even wrote a support letter for them. Toyota wanted to um bulldoze all of this for us here in order to extend their dealership parking lot. So this is,

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Isabelle Duvivier: I believe, the property that they have Now I don't recall whose property it was on, whether it was city of La or Cal Trans. But they successfully fought off the developer, and and now they actually call it a truly wetland. They have a name for this area here.

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Isabelle Duvivier: This is the area that Lisa is talking about, that sometimes gets wet. I believe this is what you were talking about, Lisa. And then there is also this whole area over here. Um,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and the the water feature. I know you guys probably can't see but the water feature. Do you see those four sycamore trees? This is a winter time photograph. So you see the four right

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh they could be let They They're they're a sycamore of some kind, whether they're the native California sick or not. We don't finish my thought right. But the water feature goes right where your cursor is running right there. Got that? Yeah. So there's also one here. This is the part that Lisa says fills up with water, I believe. Is that right, Lisa?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yes, on occasion. Not all the time.

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Isabelle Duvivier: What I would like to know from the developers of this garden center is whether or not they got permits to expand the parking lot. If they did, they would have had to get a permit to remove a protected tree if they are, in fact,

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Isabelle Duvivier: I'd be interested to know what kind of permit they got, and who they got it with, if for no other reason, and I think it was Lisa. I know it was somebody else who suggested this. We are our group. We need a contact at Cal. Trans. Because we have a lot of tree issues with caltrans,

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Isabelle Duvivier: at Caltrans. So, as we move forward with these guys. I'd like to know who they've been dealing with at Cal Trans. And whether or not they had to get permits to to remove their trees. So that was the one point I wanted to make. The second point I wanted to make is, if you recall, several weeks ago we had had a conversation. Me. No, I think all of us

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Isabelle Duvivier: about what our goal is in terms of trees to be planted in our area, and I've mentioned many times that I believe we should try to find locations where riparian trees could successfully be planted. Trees that we don't normally plant. We plant a lot of sycamores. But What about cotton woods and alders?

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Isabelle Duvivier: work with them and encourage them to do more of that. But their nursery isn't really geared for that. So i'm afraid they're gonna end up planting. I don't know weeping willows, and they're really into design designer stuff. So anyway, those were my two points. I want to make it. If we can try to figure out a way to work with them, to figure out how Cal trans works

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And there, there, there's just a note, and I wanted to ask Lisa, Did you app? So you're you did not collect any material from the trees that were

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: because she could be lying. She'd be saying it's not a native tree, because she knows they were actually protected treaties

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so what I mean? She was convinced that they were not native trees. But how can she know that if she didn't have a certified arrest come right?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So um. So I mean, obviously I'm I didn't attack her on that. I said, Oh, okay, that's interesting. Um. So I think. Actually, if we can get a tree specialist to go down there and look at the species of the remaining sycamores

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, do we? Can we actually appeal to Dave Buffy or somebody else who would be? Or or um

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: Leon? That's right, Leon. Well, maybe not, Leon Lisa. Are you at all friendly with Roy Van to Hook? Or would that be opening a can of worms that you'll never be able to seal again. So I don't do it. Okay, Okay. Why, why is that Roy Vander Hook you to identify it? And then he would never let go of.

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Michael McGuffin: Yeah, I have a long history in the by, on a wetlands working and trying to work with him, and it's an impossible feat.

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Michael McGuffin: Sycamores uh, at least convincingly to me. So maybe ask for us. Okay, that's a good idea. And, Ross, i'm on a friendly basis, so I could. Would there be somebody from three people that would know.

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Isabelle Duvivier: We could ask Leon we could ask urban forestry. They would be able to tell us. Um. Hector said that he contacted Steven do Prey, who was on vacation, but Steven do, pray would probably be able to help us identify it. Them?

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: from my experience what I saw were sycamores from the dangling seed pods. There were multiple, although some of the books that's conflicting information, the London planes usually have the singleton's or two on a stem, and our native sycamore have

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: But I've seen that contradicted in some of the books which and I i'm going by somebody who was an expert who's actually on the biodiversity? Um committee for the city, Isaac Brown.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: Mhm Oh, yeah. So he he did a a class when we identified a London plane tree on the Lmu campus, and then showed the difference with the sycamore, and it was quite profound.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So even though we could send him a photo.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: Yeah, I was trying to be inconspicuous when I took pictures, and I didn't go right up to the the trees up close. But I did take pictures that showed the dangling seed pods of the existing trees that weren't cut down.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So do you still have contacts for Isaac Brown.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. Some of the members of the community are still concerned that those were native trees. And I just wanted to find out. Did you have an ar for us to identify it?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Mhm question Mark because you can't remove native trees without a permit.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Well, we don't know that That's the other problem is we don't know what Cal trans rules are so. That's why I was hoping Richard would be able to. Um. Noel wants to talk. Go on well uh Cal. Trans. Has a uh an Environmental Department.

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Noel Johnston: I'm not sure that uh uh Cfac knows about this, but they uh say that there the program develops and maintains cal trans environmental standards, policies, procedures and practices that are implemented by the Department's twelve district environmental branches program staff work with the districts to identify and assess the effects of Cal trans projects on the state's natural and cultural environment.

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Noel Johnston: So I I think that uh, you know we we can. We can try to develop a a high level contact. But in the meantime we we might just go through channels and see how we do here.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And the thing to remember is that there what Count Trans. Is likely to say to us is that Oh, well, we least that land it's under the control of the owner of that

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Noel Johnston: I'm not suggesting that we ask him to set accept responsibility for this. It's just that when they, when they minister their land, they

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Noel Johnston: parking lots. I think that it couldn't. It couldn't hurt us to try to contact all trans and and and see first of all, if we can't develop a contact there. And, second of all, I have any opinion on this at all, then we have no opinion on it.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, I mean, I would think that would be required to have Cal Trans as permission to do something to one of their trees, especially a protected tree.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Does Does anybody see any harm in trying? Could I try? Not at all. I think that's I'm actually trying to think of So I was in contact with the engineer who was working on the Um. Lincoln fast forward project.

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Noel Johnston: suggest that I speak to his boss. With regard to that. Well, that's Sarah. Why, don't you do this? No, we're seriously. Since you've already got a contact there, go for it. Okay. But if that doesn't work, you know, I think we could try it another way. This also could be a designated wetland which would make it even more

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: could you? What is Richard's last name, Hamel

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: Richard Hamel? I was in touch regarding that area with the most likely descendant of the area who was asked to come and look for um Indian sensitive areas. And

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: you know all of this area. It was one big wetland one time as part of the Bion of Wetland, and

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: I think, Cal. Trans. You know, being that their public service organization, they get away with things they can chop things down, and in the in the name of you know, public safety and transportation. So

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: in all the years I've discussed with people who used to work at the Marina, whether any of that was a sensitive area. The answer I got when it would come up. Is that Well, it's owned by Cal. Trans.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: And that kind of ended the whole conversation, whether it was sensitive or not. So I've never

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, I think it's more like It's not so much that we want to fight with them. It's that we want to um partner with them and get them to allow us to plant substantial trees on that property, but also to

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Are you done? And you were done?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you're muted through. I'm through talking. I should. Okay, good. Thank you. I just saw that your hand was up.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So action items, Lisa, you're going to reach out to Isaac Brown

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: There were four originally.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um! So you're going to reach out to Isaac Brown about iding the other four trees. Uh, because I I think it's likely they're all the same species. And um. She did also say, I will add this. She did say that the tree she was only admitting to her moving one. The tree that she removed

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: arborus and arborist. Oh, so she has an arbor's report. Well, we'd love to see that. Yeah, Can we see the arrest report, like I don't know if she does. But she said that it had been identified on a prior occasion, but and to that point. All sycamores are in trouble. They're all subjected right now throughout Southern California to a horrible disease. So yeah, if you have an arbors, come in and look at a tree that you want cut down.

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Lisa Fimiani, LMU CURes: You can hint to them. That's what I want to hear in the final report, or you can hear. Please do everything you can to try to make this tree survive. So that to me is excuse my bluntness of bullshit. Answer: Okay. So

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: great, and then on my end. I'm. Going to search for my call trans contact that I had through the link and press forward, project, and see if he might be help helpful in finding somebody in the Environmental Department at Count Trans. To um to see what their rules are. With regard to the removal of trees on properties that they lease.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, I I think we're done with that subject matter. Um, i'm going to. I'm going to include that under the chair. Report? Um! Because I probably should have reported to you guys, I probably should have brought that up first thing since that was one of the things that happened this week.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the first of our old business grants It's actually new business, because they we were granted the Grants. So, Janine, can you tell us about what's going on with your grant?

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Janin Paine: Okay, So everybody Everybody's Grant, Isabel and I worked on mostly. Michael helped out. We all did it, but it it's the la. We got the L. A. Los Angeles beautification grant for two thousand five hundred dollars for the taber um project

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Janin Paine: and um, They are gonna the interesting thing about how they distribute the funds, which is really cool, because we had a lot of concerns about how that was going to happen.

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Janin Paine: Uh, because i'm on the I'm. The project manager. I have to go downtown at some point and pick up a debit card, and the debit card is nobody's name on it, which means anybody can use it like we can use it. However, we want to use it.

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Janin Paine: I'm gonna give it in three tranches like um. I forget It's like a certain number of dollars, another in my last eight hundred or something. So they load the card. So that means we don't have to go through any buddy all just to get the money. So I thought that we thought that was good news.

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Janin Paine: Um, they haven't not had the Board meeting to make it a hundred percent official yet, but we were recommended to the board, and I don't think that that's gonna go.

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Janin Paine: I don't think that goes sideways. So um and I don't know when the Board meeting is.

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Janin Paine: Um. So congratulations, everybody and um, yeah, it's very exciting. It was a lot of work right, Michael, for twenty five hundred dollars. One point we're like we'd all rather just give in five hundred dollars and not have to do this, and there'll be a lot of reporting after

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: well, I'd like to say thank you so much for the hard work that both you and Mike put in, and congratulations. Um, I know that it does seem like Wow! I just want to take the money out of my pocket and pay, but it actually really does. Um! We are now. I don't know if it's the Venice Arbor Committee. Did you put the best armor committee down as the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so? It did so. It's great, because the Vance Committee can say we are there. We're set a grant of the la Beautification Grant, and when we say that in our applications for other bigger, more important France, it shows that we are a you know, a responsible recipient of funds from a public agency.

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Michael McGuffin: That's right. That's great.

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Noel Johnston: Um! I just wanted to say. I think it's a terrific and uh thank you so much, Jenny and Michael for your hard work on this, that. Uh, if again two thousand five hundred dollars, isn't uh a lot. But it'll hopefully it will be the first of men,

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, we might want to start. We don't know when public works is gonna approve it, but we should probably proceed as though it's a done deal. Um, Now it's planting season. Um! What we? What plants do we want? Where can we get them, and how much money are we spending

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Isabelle Duvivier: of this grant towards what we know? We need signage? We know we need a graphic designer, or at least graphics. Um. And so you and I and everybody should start putting together our budget um, and then our plant palette. Michael can probably help with that

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Isabelle Duvivier: um, and try to figure out where the plants are. The plants are kind of disappearing fast. Everybody is buying up native plants right now to to plant during planting season, so we want to make sure we can kind of capture that.

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Janin Paine: So a couple of things. We have a budget. It's very specific, and I think we probably don't have to stick to it exactly, but I think I should just share that around. So people have an an outline.

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Janin Paine: Um, because we we did have to lay out this, this a very specific. Do you want to share that you want to share your screen or just send it an email someplace? Sure. Um,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, if if other board members don't have comments right at the moment. Um! I would like the public to be able to comment and ask any questions. If they are, I mean we have to give them an opportunity to do so. So while you look for the budget um for the whole Grant. Yes, I sent it out. Let's see. Are there any members?

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Janin Paine: Oh, good Michael, Thank you.

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Michael McGuffin: accurate, right? This is your Let me double check that this is okay. So there was the budget.

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Janin Paine: The chip drop is free, but we count that as a match. A match. Okay? Well, this is their sample one. So, going down we'll find the actual.

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Isabelle Duvivier: It's a full screen. I'm gonna go fine. It's going to Devil Mountain Theatre pain, and someone's gonna help us install stuff. Louise is gonna help us do something I had. I could use a you know. I I have access to his his um

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Janin Paine: Yeah, they had little. They didn't have the big stuff, you know I had to. Oh, then there's a This might not be the final.

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Janin Paine: I might have broke it up more, but that's the general idea. We don't have to go to those locations, but these are the sort of the dollars.

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Janin Paine: so we can't just pull something off the Internet And then I think it's going to be that way six months from now. So we gave them something off the Internet. But that's right. We've made a disclaimer that's today's inventory at today's cost. But we'll spend about this much approximately this place.

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Michael McGuffin: also um indicate. Yeah, thank you. I got as far as it's. Probably map for two, two, one. But I haven't been able to get closer than that, except to find that, uh the old Jerry's Deli, the payroll, the property taxes delinquent. We should rush in and start paying the taxes and claim

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Janin Paine: It's already been occupied by somebody new since we're talking about that nursery. I want to say that I looked at their website as we were talking, and they don't mention native plants. It's like not even it's not even a bullet point. It's like, I know, out tolerant. She's done a book about

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Janin Paine: something guarding with palm trees, so it's not their emphasis at all. But we have an opportunity to change her emphasis. Well, And the other thing, you see is they're hiring. So who's got an extra twenty-eight hours a week?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, what are they gonna hire you to do?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, Let's say what I had our lawyer. I'm happy. I'm right there for you. But I won't. Represent you against native trees.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. Okay. So, Janine, can you have a look at at the property. Uh and let us know what you find out.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Yeah. Okay. So back to the I also send this scrap back to everybody which I thought I had done, and somehow okay. So so once again I just would like to um give the public an opportunity to comment

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: vigorously to the point of dwarfing some of the trees that should be very large, mature trees by now. So the other thing that I think should be part of our work when we do this, Grant. Oh, sorry. So the public. Please ask us questions or go ahead and make a comment.

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Robin Murez: This is Robin and I'll just quickly chime in fantastic. Well done. And I'm: So glad you're doing this.

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Michael McGuffin: Thanks, Robert.

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Janin Paine: What I say also. Um.

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Janin Paine: Andy Lucas wrote

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Janin Paine: a letter, and he was very enthusiastic, except I never got it, and I think he consented and didn't, so he's another person that was very supportive.

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Janin Paine: Oh, and we did in the end, because we got the Naomi night and Gil letter. We were able to get bon in people to write a letter to which Oh, that's great, very lost.

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Janin Paine: It's amazing. That's really good work. Yeah, So it was it was. It was very cool. It's a good community project.

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Janin Paine: We did promise um school children, and you know a big party and

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yes sign it in education and all kinds, all kinds of stuff in this Grant: Okay, when we're done planting no planting party

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Janin Paine: so hopefully, everybody will

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Janin Paine: um.

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Janin Paine: Anyways, I can stop share hopefully. Everybody will come and we'll have a big event,

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and we'll Yeah,

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Noel Johnston: Okay. So I think we've had an uh a sufficient committee discussion. Um, I have a a quick um sort of related question. Maybe Janina uh no at the um.

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Noel Johnston: Let's see. I guess it would be. You want to say the north entrance of that parking lot.

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Noel Johnston: There is a sign

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Noel Johnston: that's There's a there actually there's a a parking lot sign there that identifies the parking lot, but next to it there's a sort of a planter.

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Noel Johnston: Does Does that belong to the project we're working on? Or is that privately owned by the

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Noel Johnston: What are the media months.

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Noel Johnston: It's got It's got plants in it. It's been badly trashed. It makes a very bad uh first impression when you go in there, because it's been. It's a mass. It's been uh vandalized. I just don't know whether it's part of our per view on that or not. We've never discussed it, because it seems to be sort of outside the parking lot.

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Janin Paine: Well, I guess I don't know either. Um, I guess it would show up in our drawings. We have very specific drawings, because we have the old design from the Dot people, so we could look at that,

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Noel Johnston: and I think it's because I think it's because it's actually outside the parking lot in the

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I don't know you wouldn't even call it a park one.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We had a good on public land.

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Noel Johnston: I don't know that that's really my question. I mean I'm. I'm wondering if it's part of the area that we're working on. Who owns it? Who's responsible for it. It makes a lousy entrance to our project.

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Janin Paine: Well, I think we should. That's definitely something to find out. And thanks. Yeah,

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Isabelle Duvivier: you, Janine, Do you have a um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: The drawings we submitted without handy. I can't find them.

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Janin Paine: Okay, i'm going to go on. My, I have everything you can when it's she right here. I'm glad it. Why, you do those while I present the Mwd. Grant. Yes, go ahead because it's here all here. I'm going to find it all.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I haven't. I just thought I had in my email. Okay. So the end to Mw. D grand. Oh, I see. Okay, Yes, go ahead.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So we got. We just got this, Grant. It's an Mwg Grant Metropolitan Water district. I'm. Showing it to you because it's specifically geared for water, related educational outreach we got um two thousand dollars, and that will be the money that we can use for um

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Isabelle Duvivier: for creating the educational signage. Um! The things that it can't include. I just wanted to show you this. It cannot include meals or refreshments. Travel um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: and it can't really include plant material either. So it kind of works really nicely in tandem with the other Grant.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I don't recall. I've gotten this ground a few other times. I don't recall there being any follow up at all.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: so I don't know if we can, and I I don't remember what I proposed, but they they they were very um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: They're not very.

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Isabelle Duvivier: They don't seem to really care. Uh. There are. There are a bunch of pieces of paperwork we have to fill out donna um. Last we got this grant through the Chamber. So this is a Vvg. Grant

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Isabelle Duvivier: and um, i'm going to stop my share really quick

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Isabelle Duvivier: uh and see this email. We have a few things we have to fill out. So we haven't finished that part yet. Hopefully that won't be a big deal. Um, but we have to show that we have some kind of um

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Isabelle Duvivier: insurance, and I think we have that through the chamber.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, we have a conflict of interest form that we have to fill out the Irs nonprofit status and liability waiver. So those are the three forms um

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Isabelle Duvivier: that we have to submit to them, and then we'll receive the two thousand dollars they haven't specified how we're going to get that money, though. But this is a rotating fund, so we can apply for this at any time for any project. So it's good to know that

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Isabelle Duvivier: it's out there, and that there they like projects like this. When they called me up. They said specifically that they really like our project. So that was good to know that.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, These kinds of projects work well for them.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, i'm gonna call him myself,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so so I didn't. When this grant went out i'm not sure that you had sent. Did you send the grant around for comments the way Janine and Michael did no. So what sent to me for asking for help with that I didn't wasn't very helpful at that moment. So what was the what was the but how much did you get awarded?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: What did you promise them to deliver

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: in your grant? And um, you know. Tell us. Tell us a little bit more specifically. Was it connected to a particular piece of land? Or is it just so? This is for Taber Court? It's specifically for Taper court. Um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: let's see, and it's specifically to educate the public and

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Isabelle Duvivier: sorry Janine to put you on the spot you don't happen to have copy of that

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Isabelle Duvivier: so it could be for an event. It could be for signage. It could be. It's definitely for education, right? I did as I recall. Sorry, sir, I wasn't really prepared with that information. And and I recently had some problems with my computer. So those files are easily accessible. But as I recall I um, I had to stretch it out. So how do you make?

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Isabelle Duvivier: How do you spend two thousand dollars on just education? So it included a party which is also part of what Janine proposed. It included seed packages. It include informational signage about the value of native plants. It included flyers to educate the businesses about the value of native plants, and then each one of those had a line. Item.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: I can send that around. I wasn't, Sure.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay? Oh, I I have it actually right here.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, It's not very interesting to look at.

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Janin Paine: Let's see. When you're done. I have the right. I have everything. What I found the one I sent to the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: beautification people. I'm just i'm just asking. I'm just asking you to state out loud in the meeting what the grant was for, because I think this is the venue when we're responsible to the public.

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Isabelle Duvivier: With regard to what what we do right? And so here's Here's the budget right here. Educational signage, seed packages, brochures and handouts, graphic design and plant labels. Right? So that's that's what they funded. Right? That's the total of one thousand nine hundred and fifty. Okay, so that doesn't actually have an event

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: funded in it.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Well, I talk in here about an event. But, like I said, there as I, As I recall, they don't really

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: they don't really um. So in the seed packages like I don't think the seed packages will actually cost four fifty. But if we wanted to have an event, whatever, we can't pay for food, though right there's no we cannot lure people to the event with food.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, this material includes water savings with natives, benefits of probable surfaces. Plant identification signs the value of natives to biodiversity. Um. So So one of the things that, I think is very um significant here is that

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the neighbors meaning the businesses that are lining

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: tape record either on the west Side or on the East Side. Those are the businesses that we actually really do need to contact with,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and we need to educate them. So they don't keep chopping down the trees. And specifically I think we need to get in contact with whoever it is that owns the big building that the trees are up against. And i'm wondering if you can put that in as part of.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I don't know how you know. What do you do? Pay a fee to one of us to take the time to try to track the guy down. I mean he's really the culprit. That's why that garden is not an amazing garden, because it keeps on chopping down the trees, is it? It's next door to the monk people?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, do you know the building That, uh has all the murals on it?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. So when you stand in the parking lot and you're looking at Urban Tab, and there's some flat surfer girls kind of right exactly. The Surfer girls that building is owned by a landlord. Now the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: monk, the media monks, or month media, whatever it is,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: they're probably just a tenant,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So they did not call out the train. The tree trimmers. It's the landlord that does that, and the landlord is also probably the guy that he for those murals. So he prefers our over trees.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You know it's. I brought it with the art on it. Who knows? Right? Okay, So that's two zoom. This is things okay. So I can find out who that guy is, and I can find out the same thing also about the right, and I pretty much the same, and that Honestly, what you find in Zoom is going to be just the starting point, because it's probably going to be an Llc.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So we're going to have to serve an attorney with, you know, some kind of statement like, hey? Looks like

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: whoever owns this property is chopping down the streets of that permit.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, I have a millennial assistant, and she'll track them down for me. I'm not really a hundred percent confident. It would be the landlord, because this is the same owner as the Monk Building. And these guys have planted fruit trees all along here, so they're really into their gardening. They have gardeners, I believe they may have been the ones that have chopped down, or cherries before.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, I think part of this is trying to figure out who they are. Oh, look at! Here's this dead iron with this one's not even there anymore, Is it? Poor guy?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah. So um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Last time it was this, you know, this building owner, which is a different that they painted or something. Yeah. So this one we contacted, I think I don't know um. Michael got a hold of him or Janine. But I talked to the leasing agent this idiot here. I'm sorry i'd say something worse if I could, Danny Rayner, and he was like zero help.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So I think part of this is going to be trying to and and and cloak Who?

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Janin Paine: Yeah, we have to identify who the owners are, them. So yeah, we we did. I do that, You know, in real estate we do that there was an empty lot, and it was an Llc. And we tracked down the Llc. The young attorney for the Llc. And had a conversation with him about that, so I never got hold the owners. This was about a price kind of situation, but it's the same.

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Janin Paine: It's the same thing. It might. It might actually take a letter.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah,

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Janin Paine: yeah, So um. So I I I just want to say I've found I've got my whole thing up here now, which I totally wasn't prepared, but i'm here now, so if you want to look at it when you're done with it as a bill. This grant for his development. Let me know. What do you have on that? You want to show the map, since I have everything to both of them.

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Janin Paine: Yeah, I got it all. If I can figure out how to share it.

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Noel Johnston: Well, uh Well, Janine's getting that up is about. Could I ask you to send us a me in particular? I don't know if anybody else in a copy of your grant. I think you send it to me. Um your grant application, because I am applying for one

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Isabelle Duvivier: um another source, and I would uh I would like to use yours as an example. Yeah, sure. The reason you guys didn't get copies of it is because this was an online submittal where you have to cut and paste into

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Isabelle Duvivier: of a a format. So I wrote it in word, and then the actual document itself. They never sent me a copy of it. They sent the copy to Donald,

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Isabelle Duvivier: because she was the official applicant, which also I should also mention that you know, I think. Is it ten or twenty of our grant is going to go to her. Ten percent of our grant's going to go to her as the

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Janin Paine: yeah to the Chamber. How do I make this so I need to make this small. So you guys can see

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Isabelle Duvivier: I don't think we can see it yet.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, you need to just share your screen click on the screen that you're in, and then go down to the bottom of your um. Yeah, I have this thing, and then I have a little

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Janin Paine: box, it says,

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Janin Paine: Oh, he's the bottom of the

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Janin Paine: Okay.

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Janin Paine: Okay. So

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Janin Paine: so,

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Janin Paine: anyway, this was what I finally did with the budget, because I couldn't find anywhere, nowhere to get the exact numbers. So I basically picked four places that I found things online, and I set the a total dollar number for that. Alright. Yeah, so we can spend it, You know. However, we want in those, because there was no way to get

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Janin Paine: Chip drop Madrid construction, and this is their sample.

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Janin Paine: Um,

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Janin Paine: and these are the people. Okay, this is what we said, purchasing finance the whole plan. But i'm getting down to the part.

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Janin Paine: So it's just over two thousand dollars.

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Janin Paine: Um! These are the people I got support letters from

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Janin Paine: um. My friend Benedict is the out of the church over there

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Janin Paine: amazing.

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Janin Paine: Lots of people sign the form.

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Janin Paine: Okay? And then this is the exhibit from the design, which is from the original design. Basically And Isabel made sort of a

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Janin Paine: version of it.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So it's pretty detailed on what? Those, Where? And is this the thing you're talking about? Right there?

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Um,

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Noel Johnston: I don't when you say right there. I don't know right where

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Noel Johnston: I can see the area, and as it is outside the

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Janin Paine: Oh, I don't think this is only partial, so it doesn't Go Go back up to Janine a little bit. No, they don't

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Noel Johnston: no stop right there. Okay, this is. This is uh where where the two red circles are with the two green circles in front of it. Outside of that fence to the left

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Noel Johnston: is a is another little piece of garden. It's it's a monument of some sort. It has a planter in it. It is it the sign on it? It's large.

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Noel Johnston: It's. I'm gonna Is it like right here. Yes, no, no, or the down, up and down. Go down the dotted line in there. Yeah, it's here. Yes, Well, it depends on which side of that dotted lines on, and I think we just take it over my theory. It looks like path of travel, whatever that means.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's that's sidewalk. So this is sidewalk.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Right? That's a sidewalk right there.

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Janin Paine: If it's right in front of this,

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Janin Paine: then I

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Noel Johnston: nobody is going to complain, and then we can ask among people. They're the only ones nearby. I was gonna say, I think, that the media monks, if it's a their assign, they might complain. They got something on it right now that has It's close to graffiti.

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Noel Johnston: It's like I I wouldn't I wouldn't know what to call it. It's worth dropping by and taking it. I have a picture, but at the moment I can't lay my hands on my phone. Do you want me to share that? I'll let Janine finish sharing. And then, if you want, I can show you guys. Oh, here we go. Well, these are these are pictures. Oh, it looks like we've got that exact spot.

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Noel Johnston: No, not quite. It's in that in the bottom right hand, the bottom right hand that's it right there isn't it. No, it's the the bottom right hand it would be to the left. If there. If you're more on the left in that picture you would see it. Yeah,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: if you just if you just pan to the left.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So these are these are the pictures that we sent in,

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Janin Paine: and these are the list of the plants,

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Janin Paine: like two to three large cat, and what ten to twelve of these and

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Janin Paine: forty to fifty-one gallon plants. So it's and then these are the name of the janine. Can you send that to all of us? Yeah, I'm gonna send i'm gonna forward the whole everybody this entire thing

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Janin Paine: uh this. It's our Pdf: and it has all the letters of support to. There's my friend Carol, you know, Carol. She goes in Venice Magazine.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: What was the um? What was the labor that the like that Labor Company was going to provide

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Janin Paine: um

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Janin Paine: landscape labor.

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Janin Paine: I just in case we need to some labor. We maybe we don't, and we spend it on plants by

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Janin Paine: it. Just was somewhere along the line Isabel had mentioned, meeting some need, some labor, and in case we did need some labor,

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Janin Paine: we would have some labor, or we can spend it on what plants

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Noel Johnston: we can say. We got labor donated and spend it on,

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Janin Paine: but that's four hundred and twenty. If you needed labor.

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Janin Paine: These are just your estimates.

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Janin Paine: That's great, Carol. There's it now. Um! The church Benedict is a friend of mine from my team project I was doing, and um!

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Janin Paine: She would love to bring all her people. She is very inspiring.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That would be great.

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Janin Paine: And this is my friend Melinda, the one we planted It got a tree in front of her place on flower

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: right

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Janin Paine: and unlikely for us. I sort of wrote that. And then Um,

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Janin Paine: this is Naomi.

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Janin Paine: Yeah. And then this is these are off there, the website where I got ideas of size of zoom plants,

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Janin Paine: including Tip drop,

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Janin Paine: and this is a custom signed sample,

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hmm. Nice.

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Janin Paine: So

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: yeah, I think I I do want to say that I think that our signs, whatever signage we put up

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: in addition to educating the public, it needs to educate whatever landscapers arrive on the property,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and the education be said should be something along the lines of this is State property, and these trees must. You must have a permit to trim these trees, because I think that that's That's something that is that it? Right there,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: that what you're talking about now?

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Janin Paine: Oh, that's what

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: That's it. Where that that thing where the monks is that sign for the Oh, there, yeah,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: what are. What are the plants that are? There? Is that succulents?

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Janin Paine: It's junk that's been thrown in there by a variety of people. It It was never there. There's no landscaping. I think that that monk sign is fairly new. It wasn't that way. Yeah. So yeah, Well,

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Janin Paine: maybe we can just change out some of the plants, but we probably can't cover their sign.

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Noel Johnston: Well, I I don't know who it is. I would like to talk to them

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Noel Johnston: if that's theirs wouldn't they wouldn't they welcome something that was

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Noel Johnston: keeping with a uh uh la beautification plant when when they when they'd be interested in they're not. They're not uh oblivious of design, and they they have planted some plants on their property. So I I don't know.

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Noel Johnston: I think that's a great suggestion. They might be really helpful,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and I think it's it's. I think it's fair to ask them. Do you know who's been trimming the plants on the other side of the fence? There's there's their orchard that they planted.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, we definitely need to bring them along as um partners. And this I think it would really help our project.

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Janin Paine: So i'm gonna stop sharing. I'm sending this to everybody that I have emails for, including Debbie Deborah, and then a stakeholders and Robin. I don't have there's anybody else who wants me

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Janin Paine: to add them. So they have a copy of the Pdf. That actually was what was actually sent.

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Janin Paine: Um!

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Isabelle Duvivier: So the last one on this list was the pollinator Grant. Do you, Michael, want to talk about that? I know we haven't gotten it yet, but

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Michael McGuffin: well, I submitted the initial application, which was fairly straightforward, and then they came back and said, What are you doing for the next four weeks? Answer all of these questions.

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Michael McGuffin: Oh, no, Yep. So i'm working on answering all of those questions within four weeks. Are they tough questions? Well, they're They're they're little, you know. Look, they're creative writing um challenges. Here I go open it up. Uh I'm: Sorry which Grant is this:

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Michael McGuffin: The thousand dollar pollinator, Grant. Okay,

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Janin Paine: the one I got before. So you have four weeks to answer the questions. Yeah. Okay? Well, we can get on the phone and work on that, too. I got the first one done, but it is, they are kinda really there. They're like um.

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Michael McGuffin: Um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Tell us how you feel about,

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Michael McGuffin: you know. Give us a sense of who you are.

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Michael McGuffin: What What is that? Grant for

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Janin Paine: it? It was. We attach it to the Paul to the tape record,

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Isabelle Duvivier: to give give another one thousand dollars to take that that's what it's for.

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So

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Michael McGuffin: that better be a really nice project.

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Janin Paine: Well, maybe we'll be hiring, Sarah, that attorney, to write some letters and part of our project

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: to yourself those pesky tree trimmers, I mean I and and I the other thing. Oh, no! Well has her hand up. Sorry, guys

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: go ahead, Noelle, you know, Robin.

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Noel Johnston: So to Robin

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Robin Murez: I just wanna again just let you all know a little bit of the history. There. That was where the uh red line. Trolley car um went, and so there were train tracks along there that have been covered over by the parking lot. Um, the bill. There's a building that

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Robin Murez: is about to be

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Robin Murez: altered. That was an original trolley car station building, and you'll see it's right across from

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Robin Murez: like just

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Robin Murez: um north of lemonade. You can. It's like pagoda shaped roof.

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Robin Murez: It's pretty fantastic. Um!

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Robin Murez: The owner of the property is not wanting to tear it down.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But actually so, anyway, just so, you know It's a interesting historic through through there. There. Just wanted to let you all know that you think. Do you think that it's for maybe partnering with your committee to put a sign there to, you know, in combination with some of the native plant education.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, we'd love to. Yeah, absolutely. We want to raise some money. I think you know. Of course we're We're doing it because we want mature trees to grow and thrive in the neighborhood of Venice. Um, but it's also,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know. I think

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: a good thought is to

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, we put in, realized like that gardening is commemorating. You know, some some historical um

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Robin Murez: well. And you know who Urban Taber was

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Robin Murez: that he's the

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Robin Murez: cousin of um

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Robin Murez: Arthur Reese. So they, Arthur Reese, was basically like the black for Father of Venice, and he then brought all of his cousins and everybody, and Irving Taber, then, was one of them, and Irving was at the Kinny's um chauffeur and good friend. Um. And

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Robin Murez: so yeah, I mean it's. It's a historic, noteworthy location, and

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Robin Murez: we did put in a request for funds from the neighborhood Council last go around for being able to do signage and we'll try it again, they said. Resubmit. So we will. But yeah, that is definitely a good spot for it.

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Janin Paine: Okay, Great, There's a another comment I want to make about this project, and that's that It's Also, it was designed as a Green tree. Green Tree Green Street Project. So it's got permeable paving. It's supposed to,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know. Drain the water into the aquifer and not into the ocean. It's got a lot. Other things going to that We haven't even talked about today. Did you just go back in time? What was that? What was that? Two thousand eleven? That was two thousand and eleven before the original project was put in. Wow! Amazing!

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Thank you, Isabel, for showing that to us

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: incredible. Now, all we need to do is to be transported to one thousand nine hundred and thirty.

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Janin Paine: I'll also Robin, check out the pollination project.

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Janin Paine: I will bet you can get your signage. Grant.

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Robin Murez: Oh, oh, yeah, You sent that to me. Okay, I need the Vmc. To prove something for you. You can. You can. Just yeah this. These people, Michael is saying. It's not as easy as it looked at first. But um

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Robin Murez: yeah, none of them are oftentimes it's pretty easy. It's as as a grass. It's pretty.

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Robin Murez: I'm also just going to throw out a little bit of information

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Robin Murez: that

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Robin Murez: site that um

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Robin Murez: park, that alley, whatever you would call it. Urban Taper court was considered for a site to create low income housing um prior to bond and choosing the um Venice Median um, they considered doing it there. So

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Robin Murez: just so, you know it's considered publicly owned property. And who knows what the future could bring?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Hmm. It's not big enough, really, to build housing. Now,

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Robin Murez: i'm just telling you what I've heard.

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Robin Murez: Oh, one other. Okay. So when I mentioned that the

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Robin Murez: the historic Pagoda building that's there, they are like in the process right now of working on it. And David Hertz is the architect there.

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Okay,

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Janin Paine: we should talk to David hurts Then

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Isabelle Duvivier: I guess I i'm while we're here. It just kind of brings up. I don't know if you recall. But when we used to do our work on Venice Boulevard kind of like right over here.

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Isabelle Duvivier: There were opportunities for planting trees. I think it was in this business here, and I've heard, Jim, you're as before, say several times that this property here. All of this parking lot is pro is public property, and yet they've actually um made it private.

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Isabelle Duvivier: So there are tree planting opportunities in these parking lots if we wanted to, you know.

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Isabelle Duvivier: No, there's actually areas where there is no concrete where there is just like um.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I'm trying to get to today. Oh, sorry, Anyway, there's um. There's areas there where there's

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Isabelle Duvivier: no concrete

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Isabelle Duvivier: um where there's just like dirt that we've talked about potentially doing something. So now that we have a nice relationship with Dot. We might

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Robin Murez: consider proposing that to them. Is your hands still up again. Oh, i'm sorry. Yeah, um. But also with regard to that is about um.

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Robin Murez: If if if that portion that you're describing is what extends up to shell um like, where the fire station is.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, no. Just in front of the business next to you one.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay, just that one business. Well, it may be the other end of the block. But that's not what i'm talking about. I know that there's a development happening

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Noel Johnston: is about. Does that include the vice property?

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Isabelle Duvivier: I think vice is what I'm talking about. Yeah, Okay, yeah,

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Isabelle Duvivier: uh, Janine, If you're talking, you're muted

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Your name.

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Janin Paine: I was talking to myself

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: caught.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Are we ready to move on from Table Court? Thanks, everybody for your contributions. Michael Janine Isabelle, especially um sand dunes. Do we want to talk about Sandings now? Well, you are noted down here as somebody who is going to speak to us about the sand dude.

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Noel Johnston: Isabel knows more about this than I do, but she's forcing it on you. It's all right. Uh, when when she sent me the uh proposed agenda, I thought about requesting that this item be taken off, and then uh decide that we might as well talk about it.

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Noel Johnston: I I reckon Parks

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Noel Johnston: second Parks is very encouraging to our to our group, both um as burden Venice, and as far, I mean, they seem to really be interested in what we're doing, and they're very encouraging. However, this is not an official project.

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Noel Johnston: The uh interesting thing was that reckon parks went ahead, even though they don't

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Noel Johnston: officially. Um

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give us their uh

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Noel Johnston: it isn't that they're not. They're withholding a stamp of approval. This is a this is a project. If they were to run it through, uh

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Noel Johnston: official done

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Noel Johnston: could take forever.

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Noel Johnston: So they they

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Noel Johnston: and I don't even want to say tacit approval. They have said, Go ahead and do what you're doing, and we'll. We'll help you if we can. We can give you a little help. We'll help you. Well, they did help us. On the eighteenth they uh they put in uh offense the maintenance

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Noel Johnston: uh department uh put in a fence on the beach where we had been weeding that one weekend, and uh gave us a fence that would protect our uh proposed

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Noel Johnston: beach planning uh from being trampled, and it's it's no fencing It isn't substantial. I have a couple of pictures of it somewhere that I can send anybody that's interesting, or can you Can you email me the pictures. I'll load them up,

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Noel Johnston: just email me or text me the picture, and I can share it. I'll have my phone. Okay, Got it. I don't know where it is. I have to put on a little hunt for it. I think it's in the garage somewhere um!

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Noel Johnston: But any case or you can go by twenty-nine to end our in front walk, and uh, uh, take a look for yourself uh It's not a huge a huge area. But I think It's gonna prove our point if we can, if we can make it now in a couple of weeks.

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Noel Johnston: Um! We are hoping that we can get out there and do a little uh Saturday weeding, and possibly and this is a point of discussion uh scatter. Some native seeds around

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Noel Johnston: our

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Noel Johnston: conversations with Rap so far have been that we would just fence it off and see if it could seed itself.

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Noel Johnston: I think at this time of year it's kind of unlikely that it would do that

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Noel Johnston: on the beach with the whims.

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Noel Johnston: Um! So Isabel and I have been thinking seriously about collecting some seeds from various sources, and um

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Noel Johnston: putting them in the saying,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I have some

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: we collected. These is about, and I collected these seeds. I don't have a lot.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We don't even know what they are. Oh, I say, they do. We label them, we didn't label them. They have blank that we've been talking about things like same. But Verbina seeds, which Isabel says she thinks we might be able to find. That would be great.

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Noel Johnston: Um, Michael, if you can. If you have any ideas on this, we'd love to hear them.

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Noel Johnston: Uh, we might contact, you know pain and see what they have to say about it.

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Um!

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Noel Johnston: In any case, we're we're

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Noel Johnston: pleased. That recreation and Parks has gone along with us this far, and

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you know, really really encouraging us and being helpful when they can.

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Noel Johnston: I mean you look like you'd like to say something, but you're not. What is it? I'm talking so much today. Um, two things. One is

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Janin Paine: just for the record. I don't know that you described exactly what we're trying to do there. That much, Or did I space out? Maybe to have it actually

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Janin Paine: mentioned? More precisely. And number two.

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Janin Paine: There's all those plants that are leaking out from outside the fence for the at least. Turn

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Janin Paine: sanctuary that's out there by the Washington by the Channel.

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Janin Paine: Um. One time I took a few of those just to see, and I put them in a sand A. P. A pale of sound in my yard, and Thornton I mean they are coming up all over near there that are outside the fence because they spread. I don't know if we can get seeds, or some of those plants, and just stick them there.

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Janin Paine: Where is this Janine? Can you tell me? Yeah, there's there's a least turn,

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Janin Paine: save the least turn endangered species habitat space

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Janin Paine: uh near the channel down by.

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Janin Paine: Uh? Well, that between yeah, most of the channel. So if the streets go, you know, bucking their cat around all the way to whatever the last letter that they have There it's the Marina Peninsula. Yeah, the Marina Peninsula said Huge. This. There's you know they. They just have a huge ten stop area. They fenced it off years ago, and I don't know if they planted the plan, so they're coming up on their own,

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Janin Paine: but they are spreading outside of that area pretty far at one point. Yeah, maybe we should go for a walk down there over the weekend

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Janin Paine: at least two different kind of plants There,

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Isabelle Duvivier: that's a good idea.

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Noel Johnston: Uh, if, if

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if we have not um

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Noel Johnston: talked about this project, it's, it's the very. It's the very thing that I was uh mentioning before. Janine. This is a This is a secret didn't. Say this is exactly a sub rosa.

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Noel Johnston: It isn't. We've talked about it openly with recreation and parks, and and they with us. They know what we're doing, but they we have not submitted a proposal to them

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Noel Johnston: mit ctl, and a real proposal to them, and they have not given us official approval if they give us official approval, we're going to have to go through this mess with insurance and and all sorts of stuff. We're a volunteer group that is helping on the beach, and they have acknowledged that that's what we're doing. We're a volunteer group that's helping on the beach. So one hundred and fifty.

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Noel Johnston: That's kind of where we are with this and I and and

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Noel Johnston: our idea is to to see

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Noel Johnston: if we can fence off an area on Venice beach that will self-propagate native beach plants.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: There There is something that I should raise. I've got to try and find these photos right now, but Isabel and I went all the way down to Manhattan Beach, who wrote our bikes down there, because there was a restoration project that had taken place in front of right on the sand in front of the board. Walk in Manhattan beach

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and Um.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: The area had obviously either been planted or seated. It's hard to tell, but all of the plants were dead,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and they were black. They were not just. They were black. And then there was a sign in front of them that read, Not dead

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: dormant. So uh, it was a great sign. But you should be aware.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Do you remember the date of that?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, Isabelle?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: back some ways, But I wish I could show you this sign because

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know. I want you guys to be aware that we may. We will need signage. Well, okay, we we just. We have just talked to Sonia. Isabel and I just talked to Sonia about putting up a a small sign on the fence that explained to passers by.

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Noel Johnston: But Sonia has not approved it, yet we haven't sent her our our sample sign, but she hasn't approved us, putting up a sign at this point and i'm a i'm an anti-signed person,

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I the less signage to me the better.

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Uh I like I like native planning that sort of speak for themselves. And I know that every native plant can't do that, but i'm i'm really against

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Noel Johnston: mit ctl and times that nobody reads. I have a pole out in front of my house that a homeless person dug up three weeks ago that had six sons on it that nobody ever read there. Wasn't one person in my homeowners complex who knew what those signs said, and some of them who have been there for twenty years, Two hundred and fifty

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Noel Johnston: people don't read them. They see them, but they do not read them,

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Noel Johnston: it only the only purpose, and the ocean, being on the ocean Front Walk Committee, taught me this one. The only purpose in putting up. A sign is that it gives an Enforcement agency the ability to enforce whatever it is demanded on that sign. If you can't do that, Don't put the sign up,

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Noel Johnston: and that

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Noel Johnston: that's my own personal opinion, and I wouldn't inflict it on any of you. But I don't think we should have lots of signs up.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I think it's. It's interesting because i'm pro information, not anti information, and I think that um it really depends on what the sign says how it's positioned and what it looks like.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, So you know, I mean, obviously, there are many useless signs that are

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: posted all over the place. But if the sign says Don't frigging cut down this frigging tree,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know it's. I mean it has a much more, you know. Sort of

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Noel Johnston: someone suggested that we that we say, uh that we that we try to start out, not with punitive things

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Noel Johnston: and number of people that walk by that said, Oh, is this going to be a dog park.

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Noel Johnston: And then there was a woman who yelled, You should put up a sign saying, This is not a dog park.

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Noel Johnston: You know that that's not a good idea, but I think a small, and I think that recreation of parks will go along with this. I think that that a small sign or two that say, this is a Uh test pilot plot for a

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Noel Johnston: um environmental beach project, or something like that will be fine. That's information without a punitive thing attached to. Okay, So it doesn't Say, don't camp here. Don't hang your clothes on the fence uh Don't trample the sand.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, no, I mean yes. I agree that right now we don't need signage. I just. I wanted to share with you what was done in Manhattan Beach, and I actually have the photos. So i'm just gonna go. I won't look like that, because everything doesn't go black.

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Noel Johnston: So I don't know exactly what they planted there. But there are things that that are literally ever great.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay. So can you see my screen? Okay. So obviously this is a sign that's already quite faded. I don't know how long it's been there, but it says dormant not dead, and then it has,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You know, A. Qr. Code that you can utilize to get some information about what's going on here. So this was the Manhattan beach. Soon Restoration Project, and this is this sign is not really sturdy enough to do this job.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um! So that's more of the sign. And then that's what the Restoration looked like.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: pretty much all of the tree, all of the plants. Except for these plants. The green,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, once had died, and I don't know exactly what happened to them. Um, it might be

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: uh a positive thing to contact

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the folks that did this Manhattan Beach Restoration Project to get, you know, lessons learned from them, and to find out what it was they did,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and you know,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: obviously in the picture here. If you guys can see, I don't know how big it is on your screen. It looks a lot nicer. It looks like they were hoping to generate a of, you know, dunes that would nurture um these plants,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you can probably get some information off this.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: It looks so fainted. It's hard to read. Oh, it looks like there's I mean, I don't know if I can.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Is that zoom in happening for you guys, too. Yeah. So it looks like the Santa Monica Bay. Dot Org

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: website might have something about this uh

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Noel,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and you might be able to find out. I mean, I would I would absolutely want to find. Who was it that was in charge of this project? What did they do? What did they plant? And why? And is this just the norm of what it's gonna look like?

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Michael McGuffin: Can I share my screen? I've got that

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Manhattan beach to Restoration Project up,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: go ahead,

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Michael McGuffin: which includes an email address

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Michael McGuffin: of somebody at

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Michael McGuffin: Santa Monica

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Michael McGuffin: May.

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Michael McGuffin: So that's what that? Yeah, look yeah, there's there's your after picture. But there's your before picture, or I guess this is the after picture that's gorgeous. We just want to do that

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: right, but i'm not. They have not been able to accomplish it,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and I'm wondering why.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Well, the sign said Dormant. Not dead, and that's exactly what you what you showed us. You showed us

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Isabelle Duvivier: the the perennial plants that our dormant looked

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Isabelle Duvivier: really bad. And then the evergreens looked really good.

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Michael McGuffin: So you, you don't you think this is some place else on the planet. You don't think this is what happened after they worked on it for a few years.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Uh, no, I think that that's a photoshopped Um,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you get a photoshopped image showing what their goal is, and I think that the photographs that I showed you is the reality on the ground, for now like it doesn't mean that once it starts raining this winter that all of those plants won't start coming back. But I don't know Isabel has her hand up, she might be able to tell us.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Isabel.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh! I just wanted to say that we just to give you some background. We put together a very elaborate presentation that we did before rap um that showed this project, and the projects in Santa Monica, and the least turn, habitat and del Ray um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: and we all described having this be kind of a test site. So we know about these other projects. We don't have any money we don't have any official permission to ever to do anything.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um! So the first step was to put up that little baby fence. Um! I wanted to share with you the language that um

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Isabelle Duvivier: no, i'll ask me to write

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Isabelle Duvivier: um

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Isabelle Duvivier: to put on that sign.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Oopsy Oops. There are my minutes not very good minute, and not very good notes. Sarah. Um, let's see. Where is that sign? Here we go.

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Isabelle Duvivier: This is just what I thought we would say so with no else approval. All the sign would say, is restoration of California's coastal dune habitat in progress, please tread lightly.

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Noel Johnston: I I don't know if they won't tread at all.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Well, if it's about. If it's behind the fence, they're going to go around

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: um that are not on my phone that are on my computer and show them if you want Great, you guys made this press this elaborate presentation? Why did that happen? I was completely unaware of that. Was that all? On one of the days when you had to walk with broken parks.

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Isabelle Duvivier: It it happened over the course of many months, so we made an initial contact, and we emailed them copies of the presentation, and we had a zoom with them, and then we had a a a walk through

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Isabelle Duvivier: um,

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Isabelle Duvivier: and the whole thing, and the whole time has been like draft like the presentation, said Draft. Our conversations were draft. There's nothing official about it. Um! There's no written approval. There's no formal language. It's all very, you know.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Nebulous. Go on, Noel. Do you want help sharing?

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Isabelle Duvivier: And so this is just like

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Isabelle Duvivier: sort of a test plot, you know. Well, we have some seeds. We can go out there. We can from out see what works, see what doesn't work. The Santa Monica Bay. Oh, the other thing I want to say is the Santa Monica Bay Foundation is working with um the Venice Oceanarium

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Isabelle Duvivier: to do a very large sand restoration over in um Marina del Ray.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh basically it's an expansion of the one that's already there, the least turn product. Yeah. And that one, You know that one's gonna cost millions and millions of dollars. Ours is meant to be like, Okay, let's just go out there and throw some seeds and

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Isabelle Duvivier: let's see how it works, and let's see if we can get the neighbors to love it. Let's see if we can get them to support us, and Sars is a little bit more on the download. It's not official, and it may not look great.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Did we lose? Oh, we lost um, Michael Mcguffin. Oh, he's here on the screen. Yeah, I'm here. I just had to eat, and I I I spit when I choose, so I I don't know I can share my screen. Yes, if you hit, if you click on the share screen, it should show you it as long as you have it open, bind,

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Isabelle Duvivier: share screen, share the green button at the bottom of the page. Yes, I see it.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Can you see those?

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Noel Johnston: Okay, This is the entry way. These are great pictures. I'm sorry I didn't take that. There's one more that's really good. Oh, that's right. You sent me pictures. There's one more where Peter is walking down the Yeah, I don't think I have that one

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: me saying that they did this without like any official.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah, it is great isn't it, and they put the funds on. That's what I mean. Yeah, but they didn't do it for instructions which is kind of irritating. So

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: what? What? What? What instructions did you give them?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, It's a little hard to tell you with this image. But this year is

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Isabelle Duvivier: this: Here is

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Isabelle Duvivier: linking a central walkway,

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Isabelle Duvivier: this one over here is the other one flanking the walkway. I wanted them to try to complete both equally. You can see that this one stops here. What do you mean? The one that's closer to us, or the one that's the one that you can't see my cursor. So it's It's not your share.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, okay, Oh, right. So yeah, the one the one closest to us just stops kind of short, and then the opposite one goes all the way around. So since we didn't have enough fencing, we wanted to them to do kind of an equal um

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Isabelle Duvivier: more balanced, so that both sides were equally covered, and so we we Noel and I had to leave,

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Isabelle Duvivier: and as usual. The contractors did whatever the hell they wanted.

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Noel Johnston: So I mean, It's not a terrible problem, but and it can be it can be um added to.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yeah,

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Isabelle Duvivier: uh, my only concern is that I feel like the fence is too tall, so I would like to ask him next time

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Isabelle Duvivier: they do it to maybe see if they can get a slightly lower fence, so it's not we're not. I would just leave. I wouldn't. I mean, I kind of believe they did it at all, and I think I would leave that sense just wouldn't even like just be going to keep going so happy. They did something. I know we're gonna keep going this Isn't. This is the you know we're not done So We need more fence material because it's not done

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so. It's one thirty now, which is our usual um cut off time.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, I'm presuming that there's no actual motion that we want to put together for the sand dunes. Correct.

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Noel Johnston: No, not yet. I'm not

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Noel Johnston: all right now. I'm just asking so that we can finish the meeting. I I I I I see what I I with you.

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Noel Johnston: I would love to make a motion. But I think we're stepping out of bounds here. If we do this, we're getting. We're getting the Vnc. Involved in in something that

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Noel Johnston: I don't think recreation and Parks wants to get into at this point.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, fine. So we're gonna just keep it on the download. The other thing that I do want to point out is that there are no trees involved.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: This is not really a Venice Arbor committee. Um thing. I mean, I think it's. I think it's fine for Vvg. To do it, of course, because

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: it's verdant Venice. So green greenery in all its forms, of course, is welcome on that agenda. But, um! I do think that we want to be careful about branching out some things that don't include trees.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, This, of course, is going to be is great for ocean health, and I, of course, support all of those things wholeheartedly.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, so I don't know. Maybe we should think about not keeping this on the best neighborhood Council agenda, especially since it is trying. We're trying to keep it as a

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: totally grassroots.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Uh, which is indeed what it is.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We want that grass to go away, and I was, I have to say I was talking to Rus when we were reading last time, and he goes. Oh, this is totally pointless, I said. Why he goes. This stuff is just going to come right back,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: I said. How? Why do you send it as well? This it's This particular type of process implanted here is extremely tough,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and you know, whenever I've been charged with having to remove this kind of grass from a client's piece of property. I just I do all kinds of crazy shit, and I like what he goes well. I fill it with ground up.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that's something to think that our group doesn't do that, You know we don't. So I just want you to know that's what the professionals would do, because this particular, the kind of grass that is growing there is so invasive. Well, I no, this is this is an encouraging um postscript to that, Isabel. When is it up? Isabel and I were over there? How long ago did we we, that two months ago?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Oh, long time ago.

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Noel Johnston: The grass hadn't come back.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Good.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, that's great.

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Noel Johnston: It's looking looking pretty good Now, that doesn't mean that it won't

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Michael McGuffin: um, because there's rust pointed out a lot of It's uh deeply underground any of that, any of that riceomos crab grass

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Michael McGuffin: um can be dug out. You just have to be incredibly persistent,

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Michael McGuffin: and and and there's the two steps is one. You got to take out the crab grass, and you got to plant something else there and then over ten or twenty years you'll manage to push back

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Michael McGuffin: fifteen or twenty.

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Noel Johnston: Yup. So here the here was the idea that you're walking the other side. What's that? You'll tell me about it on the other side.

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Noel Johnston: I would say that when I remember when they put that grass in and that was flat,

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Janin Paine: so those students have been coming building up on top of that grass, for I don't even know how many years it's been since they put in the bike top, but it was flat all the way along.

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Noel Johnston: Do you want to mention anything about our conversation with Uh, Perry Rod?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um, I mean, I guess you could. I just feel like It's a.

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Isabelle Duvivier: It opens us up to

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Isabelle Duvivier: all these other projects that we're not really prepared to take on that are not Verd and Venice.

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Isabelle Duvivier: This is a particular I mean. Go ahead, sure.

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Noel Johnston: Well, this is this is a neighbor. Um!

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Noel Johnston: I can't remember his address right now. He lives on the on ocean front walk, and uh is on the other side of a parking lot. Do you remember roughly worry where his address was? Isabel? I wanna Yeah, it's um.

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Noel Johnston: Oh, that's right. It's right at south to Venice Boulevard, but on the boardwalk uh he he was concerned about the condition of that space. I don't know what they exactly what they call it. It's recreation and park space, but it's between the parking lot

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uh

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in this case it's a wooden post wall,

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and they uh

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Noel Johnston: the boardwalk itself, and of course the boardwalk there isn't commercial, so it's like it is. It is an extension of the boardwalk. But it isn't a commercial part of the boardwalk. It's a residential part of the board walk, but it it had been grass going from going west from the boardwalk to the post wall.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: And um! What street is it that? Can you guys see my screen?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. Oh, no! Well, you want to start. You have to stop sharing screen. Alright,

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Isabelle Duvivier: That's okay. I can share with you the location.

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There we go share screen. Don't share screen.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I thought. I think i'm out of my own. Okay, So this is the location, basically.

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Noel Johnston: So you're talking about this place except it Doesn't: look like that at all anymore. I don't know how old that is, but that's a long time ago that is rather than fifteen. That's what Perry Rodd liked. Everybody liked it. And then, uh Bob Davis

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Noel Johnston: to tore out these big bird birds of paradise on both sides because of this of some sort of a suit

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Noel Johnston: that was being pressed against the city that those had to go. I can't remember the reason why, whether somebody had jumped it was hiding in them, and it jumped out from behind them, or whether there was some sort of an act uh at being committed behind them. But the bit those big clumps of birds of Paradise had to go. Shortly after that they cut off the water,

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Noel Johnston: and now it's sand and a whole lot of nothing, and it's kind of a mess, and I have to agree with them. This look nice. That was It's a mess today. It looks awful.

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Noel Johnston: So he was just wondering if we could

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Noel Johnston: help

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Noel Johnston: um in current. They he hasn't had good recreation experiences with record parts. I don't know why exactly, but if we couldn't encourage recreation and parks to do something about this, and we said, Basically, No, we can't, because they've had their water budget

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Noel Johnston: cut way down, and they're not putting the grass back. These are neighbors that would really like to see the grass go back,

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Noel Johnston: and they they're not. I don't, as far as I can tell, Recreation and Parks is not going to be able to do that, and

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Noel Johnston: don't nobody thinks it's a

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um

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Noel Johnston: a solution to the problem.

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Noel Johnston: I understand, he kept saying. You realize this is a residential neighborhood. Residential neighborhoods have grass.

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Yes, but it's also the seashore, and it has uh tunes and

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: same. And and the other point is that why should taxpayers pay for your grass to be nice. Practice is that in residential neighborhoods people pay for the water to water the parkway,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: so

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Noel Johnston: he's not. Think that what I don't want to pay for his his grass to be nice for one of his house. I don't live on the boardwalk right. He wasn't back, being antagonistic. I think he thinks of the Board work as being a pleasant place for the public to walk along and visit, and he's right. Walk along there. I used to be used to be much more pleasant than it is right now. Yeah, it's it's It's a mess. It really is a mess, but, on the other hand it isn't what we do,

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Noel Johnston: we we don't, we don't, we don't do that, and I can't influence uh reckon parks, and we can't under influence rock and parks this way We could

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beach planning

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Noel Johnston: if it turns out that our little plot is successful.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Right? I think that's a fair. That's a fair. So little antsy about the coastal Commission, too. Right? Just another entity that's going to come into play here. So I don't think we can do much for Perry rock. No, i'm sorry, Perry,

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Janin Paine: so he can give keel. Perry what kind of plants worked, and he can throw them out there. You can exactly company. Nobody would even know this if he fenced it off and planted a bunch of dune plants.

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Janin Paine: Nobody would even notice, and they can't put the water back. I'm sure, because of the drought. What What are they going to do? Water all those little that was. That was a bad plan when they put the bike up in, because every single most of the sections get covered in sand dune every single year they covered in sand, the grass would grow up another level Every once in a while they raise the sprinklers up, and it would get covered again. It was flat when I was a kid. Right? It's it's it's not it's an impossible task, but we could do but something could be pretty there.

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Noel Johnston: Yeah.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So listen, guys. It's one hundred and thirty-six. We didn't get to the schedule for planting in winter. I do want the obviously the the schedule got a little bit off because I didn't call the meeting last week when we should have uh, which would have been November

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the third week of November.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: But we are looking at December, and I wanted to find out we can the schedule for planting in winter is important, and I think that we need to lead with that task in our next meeting,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and i'd like to have the meeting earlier rather than later, because I know people are gonna start going away to Christmas vacation, whatever they get, or everyone gets really busy with the holidays.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: The December second.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Uh, we are having an event, so I hope everybody comes and promotes our events. I I sent out one email to all my friends, and then they all said that they couldn't open up the invite, so i'm gonna have to

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: work on that. Um. But I would like everyone to to promote this event as much as possible to all of their friends in Venice, so that people will come and see the work that we're doing. The exhibit is going to have some images, a painting of berries.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um, some drawings of Isabel, some photographs of geneines and some photographs of mine. Um, and

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: but We're also gonna have a lot of photographs of uh Vvg. Doing their work in the community. And I'm really excited to kind of show this off to any random Venetian that comes in during their during the this our call.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So that's the second. So we're going to be busy busy busy trying to get our exhibit up and

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: gorgeous before the nightfall. It's it's happening at six to nine at Isabel's

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: architecture office at three hundred and fifty Westminster.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um Then we have December ninth and December sixteenth. Those are the two Fridays before the Christmas break, so I wanted to find out from everyone. When do you want to meet next on this very important um

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: project of winter planting.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So why don't you December ninth wanna Raise your hand if you like to separate? Oh, no, Well, do you have something to say? Can we? Can we do it as an inefficient, unofficial meeting? Can we just meet,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: you know, instead of Friday at eleven, thirty on December ninth.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, anybody else

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Isabelle Duvivier: December sixteenth, just uh to announce is i'm going to volunteer for Kathryn Petra Gooney's wildlife crossing

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Isabelle Duvivier: So if anybody wants to join me. That's from eight to twelve, or I think we're going to be planting native seeds for her for the

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: cougars wildlife crossing in um Gore Hills so exciting. Super: cool. Yeah. Okay. So you're going that Friday the sixteenth. So you wouldn't be available. Okay. So, Janine, what do you What date is best for you.

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Janin Paine: It doesn't probably really matter as long as I know ahead of time, which I was half asleep this morning, and

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Janin Paine: but I actually I never got. I actually never got an email about it, either. So it was an email, but it didn't have it had the thing about the I looked at it. And actually in the body of the email, I said I posted it. So

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: the thing was posted online. But I made it more difficult for you guys, and I usually do. Usually I just put the link right and then remind your email. And i'm sorry this speak was quickly for me. So either way it's fine. Did you say the name of the event?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Oh, for the love of trees

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: is the name of our events a celebration of photographs drawing some paintings. Um: Yeah. And they're all trees for the people that are finding this. Yeah, some people in there. So um, yeah, Michael has something to announce about that, too, Sarah I haven't told you about that. Oh,

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Michael McGuffin: um First, are you? Are we trying to schedule the next barb meeting, and you're looking at a date two weeks from today for the next bar meeting

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Michael McGuffin: hand colored copper engravings of lots of trees. So I think um uh Isabel is gonna come over tomorrow. And is Isabella? What I'm gonna try to do is open them up to oaks. And I mean, I've got a seventeenth century

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Michael McGuffin: uh that there was a guy named John Evelyn. He wrote this book that was published in one thousand six hundred and seventy, something about how important it is that we preserve the trees of England, because without the forest. And he wrote these dissertations on the incredible values of each of the trees,

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Michael McGuffin: and the book was so important that somebody republished it one hundred years later. And that's when they put the line drawings in it. So I've got copies of these, and we'll select one or two or three Um and I I did order a couple of dozen pairs of white gloves.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, Great,

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Isabelle Duvivier: That's great. So, Sarah, where do you think would be a good place for him to set up?

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Isabelle Duvivier: We have those rolling tables. We also have a conference table. Maybe it could be at the conference table.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yeah, I mean he could be at the conference table. I do. I am a little worried about the books themselves. I want it. I want there to be some protection

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: for Mark for Michael and his books. I mean, if you're going to be standing with your books the whole time, you can. Just how long is the event? I I would expect i'll stay there.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Um. Well, it's supposed to be six to ten. Okay, what? What day of the week is that It's a Friday.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: So Friday, Friday night, December second, next Friday, bye

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from today.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: They're pretty big, too. I mean. I I won't bring more than one or two or three of them. But

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: okay, that's great. Um. So our next meeting will be hopefully solely committed to scheduling the planting for winter. And Isabel, i'm wondering if maybe you want to bring a map

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: of where we're going to be putting trees, or where we could put trees, or we could use the map I made once upon a time long ago. Um, that was a Google map was pulled from Google,

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: and we could use utilize that to do our planning.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hmm. Maybe maybe the most efficient thing to do would be to use the city's tree inventory map where it shows locations of empty tree spots. Okay, and then we can.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We can just pull that up. Live Right? Right? Excellent.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay, guys. I think we should adjourn. I need to get myself a turkey sandwich. Oh, Michael, what is it?

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Thank you for having us.