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jim murez: Good evening, Lisa.

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jim murez: You are the first attendee

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jim murez: testing one, two.

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jim murez: I just promoted

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jim murez: Melissa, Ivan and Jay.

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jim murez: Good evening. Everyone

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jim murez: Can anybody hear me out there in Cyber Land.

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jim murez: Maybe not testing one two.

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jim murez: Oh, boy, this is gonna be a long night.

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What? Not

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jim murez: promoting you now, Zach,

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Zack Best: Thank you. No problem. Can you hear me? Okay?

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Okay.

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Ivan: Okay, Jim.

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Ivan: Yes, sir. Yeah, you've got quorum. If you want to get started.

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jim murez: Oh, we have. Oh, you're right. Because this is for Adcom. You're right. Thank you. Okay, you got it. Um Zach's not on thatcom, but he's on the board. But this is a joint meeting. So we have. Okay, Okay, great. You're thank you for pointing that out. I was waiting for ten people.

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jim murez: Um: Okay, share screen.

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jim murez: Okay, let's call this

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jim murez: meeting to order

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jim murez: we need to close. This

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jim murez: Is anybody good at being a co-host,

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jim murez: Melissa, are you here?

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jim murez: I'm here? So I'm going to check me off?

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jay: J. Here

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jim murez: Nico is not here yet, or if he is, I need to promote him. Jason. No, Ali.

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jim murez: Okay, we got cora mic.

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jim murez: Let's see. How can I do this where I can continue to

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jim murez: look for more people. Is anybody good with the zoom besides myself?

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jim murez: Okay, are you good with Zoom? If I if I make you a co-host, can you watch the uh attendee list to see if anybody comes in

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jay: Who are you talking to Anybody that wants to do. It Melissa was the one that spoke up.

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melissa diner: No, I'll do it.

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jim murez: Okay, let me make you Co-host

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jim murez: Daffodil said she was going to be a little bit late. So,

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jim murez: Melissa, you're now the co-host. If you can watch the Attendee list for now we get to public comment, i'll ask you to help with that also

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jim murez: um text parte communications. I've had conversations with two people about the uh

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jim murez: uh election stuff actually three people. Um, but not nothing in particular other than trying to organize it to get it on to the agenda.

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: Anybody else

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jim murez: a conflict of interest or exparte communication.

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jim murez: Okay, let's move on. Um.

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jim murez: I need a motion for uh approval of the previous minutes. I'll move it.

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Alley Bean: I'll second it.

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jim murez: Thank you. Thank you, Ali.

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jim murez: Um. Do we have any hands? Public public comment.

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jim murez: Do we have any hands raised? No hand, seeing no hands raised. Oh, Helen fell and raised your hand.

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jim murez: Uh, Melissa! Can you uh

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jim murez: help? With that you got to unmute yourself and stay unmuted because you got a call on people and I will run the timer.

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melissa diner: Okay,

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jim murez: you want to call on Helen.

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Helen Fallon: Okay, um. I want to call to the attention of the uh that you're not following the standing rule regarding how items are, Paul? Full from the consent calendar. It's not being correctly implemented by the chair.

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Helen Fallon: Consent Items are supposed to be items that are non controversial and largely routine. I want to request is made to pull an item from consent. The chair removes. It decides where to place it on the agenda. There's no requirement that needs to be heard at the end of the agenda. It's just generally pulled it's uh you can put it wherever you want, and this and

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Helen Fallon: there's no requirement that the person who's pulling it has to give an explanation of why they want and to justify it. That's not in your standing rule, and it's it ends up, being a discussion of the merits which is not legal and not appropriate. And, uh, all you're expected to do is be present and allowed to comment when the items heard.

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Helen Fallon: Um! There was. There's no discretion from the chair to discuss the merits of this motion, and uh, you know, please stop, you know. Please start following your standing rules. You're there to be followed. You past them. Use them correctly.

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melissa diner: Thank you.

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jim murez: Are there any other handset, Melissa?

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melissa diner: Let me see.

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melissa diner: Uh, yeah, Lisa Redmond.

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melissa diner: Go ahead, Lisa.

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah. Um. I really don't understand why we're all gathered here tonight um other than it. Seems like we're trying to sneak in a December meeting real quickly. Um, because under the Brown act um

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Lisa Redmond: special meetings you can call a special meeting so long as reading this from the Brown act so long as substantive consideration of agenda items does not occur. Okay, alright, Jim, this is both the public comment on the on the approval of

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Ivan: the minutes. Yeah, I know that you're right. I have clarified that I thought it was open public comic time.

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melissa diner: Thank you.

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jim murez: Anybody else about the agenda. You're right. I and I just i'm a sleep on the wheel.

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Ivan: That's why i'm here.

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jim murez: Anybody else

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jim murez: comment about the minutes

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jim murez: seeing no hands up,

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jim murez: Melissa, How do you vote.

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melissa diner: Yes.

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jay: J. How do you vote? Yes,

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jim murez: Ali, how do you vote? Thank you, and I will vote. Yes, the motion carries for

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jim murez: zero. Zero.

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jim murez: Um announcements and public comment of items. Not on the agenda

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melissa diner: do we have any hands. We have two hands raised

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melissa diner: ready. Yup,

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melissa diner: Helen! Um

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Helen Fallon: i'm a little confused about the structure of how this is happening. Your ad con meeting is to is designed to schedule the agenda. That's what you bylaws require, and

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Helen Fallon: how you can schedule the agenda a draft, and then claim that you can have a board meeting instantaneously after adopting this without having twenty-four hour. Notice of that agenda that you,

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Helen Fallon: you know, decided to schedule because there's no guarantee there might not be changes, or you know various things. I don't see how this seats the brown app requirements, and frankly, I don't want I weighing in on this is, you know I don't you check it out with them power because it makes no sense whatsoever.

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Helen Fallon: It seems like it's as as was previously like. You're sneaking in a board meeting.

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jim murez: Anything,

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melissa diner: please. That

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah. Okay. So continuing my comment, you are sneaking in another board meeting. It is a substantive meeting. You've got a Treasury report. You're approving minutes from the last meeting. You're taking care of regular business. I it It just seems

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Lisa Redmond: like totally wrong, wrong wrong, and violations of the brown act as well. In addition to what Helen said, so it's possible that many people will be filing grievances. Because,

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melissa diner: thank you.

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That's it.

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jim murez: Thank you. Public comments closed.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Item number nine new business creation of an election committee.

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jim murez: Um. The mission statements on the screen.

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jim murez: Um! The motion is the administrative committee approves the mission statement for an ad hoc election committee. I need a maker.

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jim murez: Somebody want to make the motion.

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jim murez: Anybody?

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jim murez: Am I muted?

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melissa diner: No, you're not muted.

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jim murez: Okay. So nobody wants to make a motion to have an election committee.

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Zack Best: Yes, i'll make a motion.

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Zack Best: Who was at black? You're not on the you're not. I didn't think so. So. I was just waiting.

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Alley Bean: I'm sorry, Jim, The only reason i'm hesitating is because I I don't understand the standing rule. So I don't want to violate them, so i'm just gonna

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jim murez: the standing rules for creating a committee. Our Adc. Has to approve the Mission statement. The Board ends up Approving Committee.

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jim murez: Do we have a second?

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melissa diner: I mean, Jim, can you? Second it?

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jim murez: I don't know, Ivan, Can I second it

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melissa diner: if you're voting? Yeah,

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jim murez: Okay, i'm on a second it.

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jim murez: Now we can have discussion.

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jim murez: Are there any public comments?

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jim murez: Melissa,

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melissa diner: give me one second. Sorry I have to deal with something. If you want to look, you can do it for one second. I just have to deal with one other thing.

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jay: Do you have ability to unmute her? I don't think I can unmute her, maybe. Let's see I I can. You know what I can do both right now. I got it. It Lisa Redmond.

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jim murez: Lisa. Go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: Um, yeah, I really don't understand why you are forming a committee. Um, I don't. I think this is something that you can just call as a task force, Jim. Um. I think that in the past it was always a task force. Certainly Ivan and Elizabeth didn't hold public meeting two years ago. Um! With their election committee.

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jim murez: It was never a excuse me, i'm talking. I've been using it. It was never a before. Okay, time time out, Ivan. This is public comment. I'm gonna let her finish your statement, and you may not interrupt public comment.

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jim murez: No matter how right or wrong she is. Ivan, you can't interrupt. We can discuss it after public comment is over. We cannot interrupt public comment.

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jim murez: Lisa, please go ahead

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Lisa Redmond: seriously. You think your Parliamentarian would know the rules. Um!

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Lisa Redmond: What I was trying to say. I don't know if it was a task force. I don't know if it was a committee. But whatever it was, Ivan,

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Lisa Redmond: what you guys met pro privately, and you did your little election party, and so

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Lisa Redmond: I don't understand why this has to be such a formal thing within, now that it's a committee, it's going to be public meetings and someone that's gonna have to run zoom, because obviously, you guys are all having issues with it. It's not easy, I understand, to manage multiple things.

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Lisa Redmond: So. Um, it's only going to slow down the process. My recommendations is, you don't do this, And, Jim, you use your power as a president to name a task force.

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melissa diner: Thank you,

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melissa diner: Helen Fallon, Go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: Um, yes. I was just gonna mention that. If you are going to have a committee, then you might want to include the language that you passed at the last Board meeting. They are restricted

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Helen Fallon: uh membership on the committee to non- candidates

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Helen Fallon: and that seems to have been omitted from the submission statement,

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Helen Fallon: and since it was so important for the Board to have that language um, I don't understand why it's not me

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Helen Fallon: in the uh

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Helen Fallon: the mission in in the

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Helen Fallon: statement of this, and I also do not understand why I then it was not a member of the adcom committee is jumping in at any point part of the public, and should be there unless he's called on to rule on something parliamentary.

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Helen Fallon: So I it's, you know enough with the Ivan being an extra X official member of that Con.

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Helen Fallon: Not with the by Law State.

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melissa diner: Thanks, Helen,

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melissa diner: that's it, Jim. Oh, wait! There's or J. And Allie have their hands raised. If we're going to board from there, there's there's no other There's no other public comment. Okay, thank you, Melissa. Public comment will be

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jim murez: public comment will be closed. Um, hang one second, or ally, or or J. You have your hand up.

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melissa diner: I can under your head.

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jay: I'm on you. I'm unmuted. Yes, my! My only concern about an ad Hoc committee

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jay: is that It' be subject to the Brown Act

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jay: if he's going to have, as he says, in his plan. Seventeen people on the committee.

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jay: He may never get anything done,

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jay: because by the time he posts and he gets quorum

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jay: he's going to have to have nine people show up at every meeting and hold all the public comment, and do all the things that Brown Act requires,

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jay: and I think that's going to stifle him quite frankly. I don't know that, you know, just naming him administrative.

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jay: Okay, I I don't know the ramifications I know in the past. I think you only had an administrator.

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jay: Um, but i'm just concerned that, you know, knowing our crazy rules that we have to follow,

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jay: You know, by the state

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jay: that it's going to become so cumbersome that he may not get anything done. So

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jay: that's my only concern about forming an ad hoc committee. This This motion is very specific,

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jay: saying ad hoc committee. But I think

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jay: if i'm not mistaken on the board agenda,

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jay: let me look really quickly, and i'm saying, you're you're correct. There's there's an option A and an option B on the board's agenda. Right? So at the very least,

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jay: I would make this motion to be. You know what's on the board agenda for the options,

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jay: and then see how that works. But again, Mike, my concern is, you know it. The filing opens up like in a minute.

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jay: He's going to have to pull a committee together. Get it approved, and then post.

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jim murez: Have these meetings with everybody like this, and and I just think it's going to be a real problem for him. Well understood. Jay. Um, Just just so. You're aware the the process that this with the Bylaws State for having a committee, which is what we had talked about up until

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jim murez: yesterday's meeting was the that you have to go through Adcom with a mission statement to have an administrator. Um, we don't have to do that. And actually the language that's in the Board's agenda, where we have an option A and an option. B is the same language that was used in the last election cycle

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jim murez: mit ctl, and and that was to have an administrator. We couldn't put that on the ad-com agenda, because there's no reason to. We still have to approve later in the ad-com agenda, the creation of that board meeting one hundred and fifty.

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jim murez: Okay, we're going to do that in a minute. We haven't quite gotten there yet.

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jim murez: All right, just trying to understand. I I right right now. I I got all we're trying to do right now is, get this mission statement approved, and then we will then go and approve the Board's agenda, and once we have the Board's agenda approved, then we can open the Board meeting,

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jim murez: which we're already five minutes late, for

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jim murez: so we we want to do that all you have your hand up if you want to to ask a question or make a statement,

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Alley Bean: and i'm trying to absorb everything, you know, because I was just ready to say yes. But I I i'm just

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jim murez: okay. If if we have no other committee comments. Um, public comment was already closed. Let's take a vote on this.

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jim murez: Um the mission statement,

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Alley Bean: Um melissa. How do you vote?

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jim murez: J. Is Reservations right? That's my question. If the Board approves the mission of. If the Board approves having a committee,

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melissa diner: then they would also need to adopt this mission state. We're just outcome. So we're This will all be discussed. Well, yeah, the Board will approve it or not. So we're just putting it on the board agenda for discussion. So that's what we're voting on.

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jim murez: Okay, Okay, Thank you. Melissa.

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jim murez: Um. How do you vote? Thank you. Um, Ali, How do you vote?

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jim murez: And I will vote? Yes. So this is going on to the board's agenda.

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jim murez: Oops.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Okay. So now we need a motion um to to open the uh creation of I mean to to go and look at the board's agenda, so we can create the board's agenda. I'll make a motion.

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jay: I second it.

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jim murez: Okay, that was Ali, I believe,

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jim murez: seconded great.

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jim murez: Um. Now let me save this,

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jim murez: and we will come back here later.

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jim murez: I'm getting too many text messages from people.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: Um. Now let me change to the next document.

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Helen Fallon: Um. As for the election or appointment of the Board member. It was announced at the last Board meeting that was gonna happen at the next board meeting, not a special meeting, and i'm wondering if the candidates were even notified uh agenda should have alternate motions. You're supposed to have a motion that's being recommended,

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Helen Fallon: and especially when it comes to a motion that involves the funding. There's a funding motion on here that involves funding that was not approved by the board funding an item that was never approved by the board at the last board meeting, so I don't even know how it can be on this agenda. And and again you've got what? What's your notification? You're posting is what like

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Helen Fallon: five minutes ahead of the meeting. Two minutes. This is just so irregular and not in compliance.

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah, I've got a mirror. Helen's comments as well, plus. I don't understand this whole approval of the board thing. So you have a motion to open up consideration, and then you have a motion within a motion to now check out these items. So where are we not

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Lisa Redmond: having public comment to the other motion. When do we get that opportunity? So somewhere you're messing up here,

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Lisa Redmond: and then every if you want this to be a true special meeting. Why are we doing a special election? Why do we have um a budget? Item that Hasn't gone through the Budget Committee? Why are we doing? You know it just can go on and on. What is the immediate business that had

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Lisa Redmond: what really needs to be taken care of? I think it's really you want to form an election committee, then make it just that you're all rushing to get out of here, Jim. I know you'll mention three times later tonight that you're missing your early bedtime because you have to get up early tomorrow. Let's just cut all the rest of the stuff out and just do your special meeting,

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jim murez: I I agree with you. J. They don't understand it. One is the treasurer's report, and the other is a budget. Item. The the budget item is not what we're talking about. Here we're just talking about reallocating funds. You're reading it correctly. They're misunderstanding. But Let's keep going. We're just trying to get.

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jim murez: I didn't know that. Yeah, I can't see that. Now let's go to board Comment: Um! So now you can put your hand down unless you wanted to make a public comment statement. Were you trying to make a public comment statement, and we missed you. No, not comment. Yeah, we're not in the board yet. Thank you.

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Helen Fallon: I have corrections to the minutes. The attendance is incorrect at roll Call eighteen. We're not present. Melissa didn't arrive until ten ten, so she missed over half the meeting. Others arrived later. Left early. That's not properly recorded. There's no record of what was pulled from the consent Calendar. I am eight, nineteen. We're pull from consent. We're heard at the end of the meeting. This should be reflected in the minutes,

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Helen Fallon: I number twenty-three makes no sense there was an amendment to the motion is incorrectly described as an alternate motion that was voted on, and then the amended motion was approved. The minutes do not accurately reflect this item twenty-four. It's not clear that the original motion wasn't heard, that a substitute motion was made. The substitute motion is incorrectly described as an alternate motion. Motion also includes language of service. Vendors estimates were attached. This is incorrect. These are not provided. They are not part of the supporting documents filing a bac with that language would be

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Helen Fallon: that's true. Thank you.

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jim murez: Um, i'm not sure. Uh, she was speaking so quickly. I know that the items that she's claiming Don't reflect that they weren't heard there was no vote taken so clearly there was no action taken.

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melissa diner: I'm not sure about the other items. I don't know if we want to go ahead and approve this, or I can go back and listen to the video. We can next week. No, just ha! She could just. She could have sent those two prior. We're moving on

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh I kind of I I don't mean to be difficult. But Staff, I kind of disagree. I mean, we should at least check.

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jim murez: Yeah, I don't have a problem. I can't say for sure whether that's correct, so we can't vote on it. I would, I would say, Oh, yeah, let's Let's postpone this. Does anybody have a problem with postponing? It will just put it off to the next meeting,

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jay: Yeah. So the Treasurer's report is based on the information that is on the uh Google sheet that is posted on the Budget page. I see the way it came out. I don't disagree that it's a little wacky.

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jay: and you will see exactly how this is supposed to look. But the bottom line is uh. All the monies are categorized by the various categories in our allocated budget and the balances at the bottom. So what's left in each one of those categories

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jay: Uh, so it's reflected here pending the board, approving it, showing that, uh outreach has sixty, nine and one left. Elections will have zero, because the budget is complete. Uh cips and and uh

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jim murez: Yeah. Um. Okay, let's take public comment for items, not on the agenda.

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Helen Fallon: Yeah, I have a question on the uh Treasures report. Are you taking any, you know?

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Helen Fallon: Do I not get to comment or ask a question?

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Helen Fallon: You have items on there that haven't ever been approved by the by, the board.

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Helen Fallon: Now's your time to comment. I don't that's not true, Jim. She can say. Okay, Then I'm gonna make my public comments going to be your treasures. Record includes payments to Google works which have never been approved by the Board in any way, shape or form, So that's not correct.

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Helen Fallon: The there's no Where's the detail for the invoice? This is that available on the budget page, because it should be. If you're. If you're publishing this information, the transparency is making sure that everyone sees all the information, and knows exactly what's being purchased

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Helen Fallon: gross numbers, and to it off. I think the budget is not forty-two thousand. It's thirty-two, because we haven't got our carry over.

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Helen Fallon: So there's a lot of inaccuracies here

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melissa diner: Oh, now, Lisa has her hand. Hold on,

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Lisa Redmond: for the Brown Act. I think the public does get an opportunity to comment on every agendized item, and that would include the Treasures report, because now here we are left to comment on it in the public announcement comment for items not on the agenda. So somewhere we have to leave time for public comment on reports and things like that.

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Lisa Redmond: Um, i'm also going to state that there's no need for this meeting tonight. Um! It's being rushed, it's being done in lieu of a December board meeting full of all kinds of substantial business, which is not proper for a twenty-four hour. Notice special meeting.

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melissa diner: There's one more for serving public places. Go ahead.

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jim murez: Hi! Can you hear me. Yes,

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Preserving Public Places Committee: so I am only now learning that there is not to be a December meeting, and we have two motions, as I mentioned in the regular meeting last night to be brought up, and both are quite timely regarding uh matters that

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jim murez: this is items not on the agenda. That's an item that's on the agenda.

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jim murez: No, no, no, no, you're misunderstanding the con that the item of uh, whether or not there will be a December meeting is an item on the agenda. You have to wait until we get to that item.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Okay,

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jim murez: Okay, bye, bye, Melissa, Are there any other public comments?

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jim murez: Okay, public comment is closed the creation of an ad Hoc Elections Committee. Now we have an option A, and we have an option. B option A is a mission statement that was approved by adcom

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jim murez: um a few minutes ago, and option b is the option that was implemented in the two thousand and twenty-one election cycle. What this basically did. Was it appointed an election administrator,

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jim murez: And the administrator? Um followed these basic parameters and and handled the entire election cycle? And uh, the difference being that they did not have to.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Oh, uh, I just got a text. Vicky's refusing herself from this. I just wanna make that point of reference. She's no longer in the meeting. Um!

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jim murez: The uh uh administrator has the ability to not have to post meetings and take seventy two hours to have a conversation with the other people that will be participating.

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jim murez: Um! In either case a option, A or option B, where we have a committee, or we have an administrator. The President still appoints that individual, that individual has not yet been selected. Although Um Christopher did a lot of work on putting together a plan Um, the

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jim murez: selection process of who's going to be doing that? Um, is not yet clear. Um! And we we do know that. Uh, if if the person that is uh

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jim murez: doing the election uh, or is participating in the election process, I should say, is also not allowed to run for the Board's position. So we don't want to have any conflicts of interest later on that ends up causing problems. So it's not clear who's going to become appointed to that position, but this gives the option A. Gives us the committee, which um is a group of people that have to have

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jim murez: Brown acted meetings before they can make any kind of before they can take any actions, whereas option B. Allows the administrator to just handle it, and that seem to work well in two thousand and twenty-one.

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jim murez: Um. I need a motion

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jim murez: to open the discussion about this,

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Alley Bean: Ali,

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jim murez: and we have a second.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think I was actually Allie, not me. It's not. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So wait. So Elizabeth seconded. I saw her mouth moving. Um, yeah,

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jim murez: and Ally made the motion great. Thank you for clarifying um. Let's take public comment on this. Now option A or option. B:

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melissa diner: Okay, hold on one second.

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melissa diner: You attendees. Okay, Helen, go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: I'm so confused by this, you know option. B. You haven't even approved in your budget, paying an administrator which you did in the past. So somebody expected to do all this work for free. Are you hoping Chris is going to do it? I'm sure he's planning on being a candidate. So this this!

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Helen Fallon: What in the world? What in the world are you thinking of here? I mean, if you have somebody in mind, you have to enter in a contract, gotta get approval for this. You can't just go out and hire people that's not within your in the guidelines. So and again, the Board has even approved that. So the

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Helen Fallon: plan they adopted did not include an election administrator. So how did we go from Tuesday to Thursday? And so we have another option. When the Board expressed their wishes on Tuesday.

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Helen Fallon: This is very confusing. And do we still have quorum with Vicki leaving? Because if anybody leaves and we're below eleven people, there's no quorum.

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Helen Fallon: I'd like that conferring for him. Thank you.

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melissa diner: Thanks,

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melissa diner: Lisa Redmond. Go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah, um. This is also very confusing. Um. And I also think, as Helen pointed out,

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Lisa Redmond: that it doesn't you should have it mentioned what you adopt it the other night of somebody. No, can't be part of the committee. Um

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Lisa Redmond: as long as they are a candidate. Um, i'm kind of prefer option. B. Because I don't think it should be a committee uh, because then they are open to having to have public meetings and running zoom meetings and um, It's just slowing down the election process even more. But then you're throwing an option B, which should be just a proper quick, you know, task force, or a special

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Lisa Redmond: um group, or whatever how it works. Um!

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Lisa Redmond: But now you're throwing in an election administrator which hasn't been approved budget, wise as well as it seems like it's a way of controlling them. The um task force

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Lisa Redmond: by having a paid administrator. It none of it makes sense, and you had somebody who a cute ass job that was willing to step up and be a complete volunteer on this. And now that's time. Thank you.

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melissa diner: Um, we have Elizabeth. Right,

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Ivan: alright, Jim, If we fortune starts you have a quorum without. Uh Vicki:

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jim murez: Yeah, I knew that.

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melissa diner: Well, i'm just for the record.

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Elizabeth Wright: Uh yes, uh, you have two options. One of them uh involves the brown act, and from experience I can tell you it is very, very unwieldy to have an election committee.

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Elizabeth Wright: You can have the equivalent task force, but you have to realize not everything is going to be done.

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Elizabeth Wright: So, instead of spending a great deal of time today. Uh, pointing out, this may not be done, and that may not be done.

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Elizabeth Wright: Change it to. I volunteer to work out a lot better. Thank you.

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melissa diner: Thanks. Uh Christopher Lee.

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Christopher Lee: Hey, guys, can you hear me?

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Christopher Lee: Yup, Yup! Um! So

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Christopher Lee: I understand there's a possibility of a task force I just recently learned about what a task force could entail. So it does seem like option. B is

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Christopher Lee: pretty much in line with that um.

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Christopher Lee: Ultimately my commitment is, I? I want to address something that Helen said. Ultimately my commitment is, you be of service to Venice, so I will be running as a candidate uh. So that means based on the the agenda, the

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Christopher Lee: that J. Proposed i'd have to step out of the election committee if it were a committee so and and the same thing with the task force. So i'm really looking to cause us to volunteer and step out together collectively to make this happen. I'd be glad to cut it like coordinate that effort.

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Christopher Lee: Um, just on a volunteer basis, because that's my commitment to Venice right now,

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Christopher Lee: just putting that out there.

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melissa diner: Thank you so much.

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melissa diner: Um, that's all of the public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, let me go back to the board discussion before I start calling on people. Let me just make one thing clear. Um, I have. You know. I I mentioned earlier that I had some exparte communication. Some of those conversations had to do with what is the

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jim murez: best way to handle this

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jim murez: um in in in in particular, because of the late date that we're getting started, and the the early cycle that the city has imposed on us. Um! The difference of of a a task force versus appointing an election administrator.

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jim murez: Um. What we're saying in this option. B.

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jim murez: The President shall appoint, with the consent of the Vnc. Board, an election administrator to administer the election process. The The important thing there to realize is, the Board is giving the President consent

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jim murez: to appoint someone in a task force in a true task force. The President, or whoever the chair of the committee is just creates a task force, but a task force has a very, very narrow scope of things that they're allowed to do.

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jim murez: A task force is created to go to. Abc. In this case there's going to be a lot of things that come up

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jim murez: along the way, and a task force wouldn't address that there would have to be multiple task forces each time something new comes up, and that becomes even more cumbersome and more we'll be, and the board. Hasn't had

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jim murez: an option to have a say in the approval of it. So option B is saying that the Board is giving consent, meaning the Board is making the decision to allow the President to appoint someone to handle this,

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jim murez: and I want to make that very clear. I thought that that was something that a lot of people did not understand earlier. Now, with that being said, let's take public comment from the committee.

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jim murez: I then I will allow you to speak last um after we go through everybody, at least one time. Ally, you have your hand up. Please start

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Alley Bean: um, so

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Alley Bean: it it from the meeting on Tuesday night, is it? Did we vote? And it's, therefore, in stone that whoever you're appointing cannot be running. Chris has now just told us that he is wanting to run for public office, and he's done so much of the work. Um, I i'm. Finding all this, I found all that out at the Board meeting, you know. Thank you, Chris. I didn't know that. Um. So yeah, let me let me answer you. I don't want to let me just shorten this. I I don't want to. I don't want to cut you off, but let me make it simple and short.

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jim murez: Um, if if Chris wants to run um, if if he is once he files his candidacy. The Board already said that in it, in a previous motion, that he cannot participate in that committee or that role

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jim murez: option. B doesn't go as far as to say that we could certainly add that in, but it does say down here at the bottom of option B um, that candidates shall not be allowed to participate in the design or execution of the Vnc. Election plans and outreach. So it it it it it an option b

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jim murez: option A. Was already said in the previous Board meeting, that if you're a candidate, you cannot participate in the process. So in both cases.

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jim murez: If Chris files at the point in time that he files, he's no longer allowed to participate at that point, I would have to appoint someone else to take that roll over.

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jim murez: Um! Well, we could. We could have a new motion somewhere on another agenda. That's not on tonight's agenda.

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Alley Bean: We could. We could do that in a future board meeting we could reverse the previous action. If you think that that's something that needs to be done. And my second question was um, Daffodil said in public comment, Um! That she had had several conversations about um

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Alley Bean: officers, and I didn't know definitely. Did you mean, were you talking about people that you want to be on the election committee. You did. You have those kind of conversations? Because

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Alley Bean: and and and Robert Tibeto said he had exported coal communication. I'm. Just confused.

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Alley Bean: How come people are having that kind of expertise Communication just makes me nervous. What does it mean?

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jim murez: Yeah, I'm surprised. You're confused it. It just doesn't it doesn't seem very confusing to the rest of us. It would have me. I just don't know what it means. But okay, Let's let's look at. If if Daffodil or Robert want to respond to that, i'll let them. But in the meantime let's move on. Thank you, Ali. If you could lower your hand, Robert, Go ahead. Your hand was up next.

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robertthibodeau: You're speaking as though uh Chris is uh already pay to come play appointed to this election position is this: Is this: how this is working, or is this still an open process? This is important, I think, because

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robertthibodeau: a lot of us want somebody who say less prejudiced. So we say more, maybe middle of the road and um, and it's hard to understand if this vote is actually sort of just coronating him as the election guy.

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robertthibodeau: Or if this is still an open process, it's still an open process. Okay, just wanted to be sure. The only thing we're doing tonight is deciding. Do we want to have

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jim murez: a committee or an administrator,

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jim murez: or we can both both of them down and and not have anything. It's it, you know. We're just trying to keep the ball rolling at this point. No one has been selected to be the individual to head it up.

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jim murez: Melissa, You have your hand up,

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jim murez: Robert. Were you done? I'm Sorry.

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melissa diner: Totally done. Thanks. I'll take my hand down. Thanks, Robert. Melissa. Um Yeah, I guess just my question was just like Um, what what point are you going to appoint this person like? Usually, when we form committees? That's done at the at the time in which we pass the motion. Not always, but so are you going to like? Have this motion passed tonight, and then think about appointing someone and do it at a future date when you feel comfortable or just what's the thought?

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melissa diner: I was not planning on doing it tonight.

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melissa diner: Okay, cool. And then, you know, to avoid delaying this further having an alternate or whatever you know.

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melissa diner: If you have a position on whether you care who is appointed,

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melissa diner: if they are running or not, you know. I mean, we know that they would have to step down once they file. But like, are you if you're just not going to appoint someone. That's

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jim murez: I've already said. They have the intent that might just solve things if you want to comment that you don't have to. But it might just clear things up. I I I plan on making sure that that whoever it is that gets appointed um is is the least controversial, if possible, that is the most neutral,

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jim murez: and that that you know we can move this thing forward as quickly and smoothly as possible, and and that's my intention. I don't have any particular names in this point,

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melissa diner: no matter who's running. And so for people that still want to participate to help with the election, regardless if they get appointed. I just want to clarify if they could or could not participate in a task force or a committee, regardless of if they were running regardless if they were appointed.

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melissa diner: It's a question I want to know, because I think it's important for people that won't get involved to know how they can best put their efforts forth during an election process. Now, like, can they be a part of a committee or task force if they're running?

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jim murez: Not once. They declare candidacy

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melissa diner: great. I just wanted to reiterate it. Thank you.

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jim murez: Um Daffodil.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, um couple of things one just to clear up on the ex-party communications. Um, Allie, What I was referring to is, we have something on the agenda about potential off community officer candidates.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And so that was the item on the agenda that I was speaking about. Um, so we can't do it. I have to say like I am so confused at this point as to what we're doing, and what's going on. And part of it is

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Daffodil Tyminski: just these meetings day after day, and I still have not been able to really see the election plan. Um, The link that I had was to a website that

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Daffodil Tyminski: I couldn't access, because I don't have an account there, and I think we've just done this very, very rushed I'm personally a little concerned that we're totally violating the Brown Act at this point, because we're things Aren't getting posted until the day before and day after day. So I just say that out there, you know I don't see why this is so, Rush, that we had to do this today.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I also didn't understand that we weren't going to have a December Board meeting. I also had stuff that I wanted to put on the December board meeting, so I guess if we can't do it, it's fine, but I didn't quite get that, and I I think if we're going to do this, we're not. We're not on to that item yet.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Sorry. Sorry. Um, it all in my mind. This is all part of the same thing, because it's all the same thing that's driving the same confusion. But on this in particular um

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Daffodil Tyminski: the the

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Daffodil Tyminski: we can't do a task force right?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, because that that doesn't work. The committee I do see is problematic, because I think it would just be constantly having to have meetings. But I don't I don't i'm a little uncomfortable passing an administrator when we don't know who that person is going to be

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Daffodil Tyminski: right. Normally, you know, I I would feel differently on option a versus option. B. If I knew who option B was?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: So

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Daffodil Tyminski: I I don't. Are we gonna have another meeting where we approve the person appointed

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Daffodil Tyminski: or

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Daffodil Tyminski: like. Is this just sort of

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Daffodil Tyminski: you point, whoever you want?

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jim murez: Um, Do you want me to answer?

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jim murez: Um Ira ended up appointing Ivan as the administrator. He could have appointed anyone he wanted. He chose. Ivan,

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jim murez: I will be appointing someone is the way that this reads um, which is the motion that's before us. The President shall a point with the consent of the Vnc. Board an election administrator? It doesn't say, who but I will appoint someone,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and I I mean the difference with two thousand and twenty-one, and those we all knew. It was going to be Ivan before right There was but I mean if we were going to do? Why, but we could have done that six months ago, like I I

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jim murez: um, I don't. I don't. I don't know who we're going to a point at this point, I mean i'm hearing a lot of pushback about the options that are on the table. So I want to explore other options. So we don't have pushback.

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jim murez: Um. But you know this is something that you know. The question was put out three months ago, and nobody wanted to step up and do it then and now. Here we are at the end of the road, and we need to continue to move forward or we're not going to have an election cycle.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! And the last thing is I this business of someone being on the committee or administrator until they declare to me it's just fraught with peril for us, because we could be in a situation where we have someone running this

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Daffodil Tyminski: at the last minute, just, or people running this, who at the last minute decide to declare. And then we basically either don't have a committee running things or a person running things, or someone has to step in cold.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So to me I just don't

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jim murez: It's not a it's not a great option, but it's the option that we chose yesterday. It's the option that was also used in two thousand and twenty-one. So uh the there's There's no debate there but again in two thousand and twenty-one. We knew who it was,

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Daffodil Tyminski: but we knew it was Ivan, everybody who was going to be Ivan, and he wasn't going to run. So if I've been, step down, it would have been somebody else.

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jim murez: If I even said i'm give up. I don't want to do this anymore. It would have been somebody else that I had.

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melissa diner: I'm just saying, I don't over complicated. You just told me right before that you weren't going to select someone that would be in that position. Basically

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, I just. I just wish this whole thing was more transparent because I'm is in a circle as it gets, and I have no idea what's going on, so I. I just can imagine what everyone else thinks, but that's my two cents.

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CJ Cole: Thank you. Um. Put your hand down, please, and Cj: go ahead. Um, yes, um. First of all, I think I expressed in Tuesday's meeting that Um! A committee is just going to be impossible. We are now at seven zero four,

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CJ Cole: So we've been in session basically for an hour and four minutes, and we've gotten nowhere. So if the election is run by a committee that has to have Brown, that meetings. Yeah, I can guarantee you. We will get nowhere. So I think we don't have any choice except for option. B.

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CJ Cole: Now, if we want to modify option. B. That's one thing. But I I've heard I mean i'm there election

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CJ Cole: um administrators who are paid to do that job,

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CJ Cole: and is that a possibility? I mean, it would seem to me that there is a professional out there that is, can be an election administrator and run it as a task force, or however you want, I mean, run it with volunteers, but you know, pay them to do the job.

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jim murez: But we we can't go through zoom meetings night after night. It's impossible.

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jim murez: Um! And and so far we have not come up with anyone. Um!

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jim murez: I don't know why people are busy. People are not doing the same things that they were doing before, but so far the paid option is not an option, and and this would still be a volunteer position at this point that I would be appointing if this person then decided

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jim murez: to uh hire someone to to be an uh, an assistant, an election administrative assistant that would have to, and it's written in there. That would have to be something that would be approved by the Board to budget that, and and that is an option.

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jim murez: Um! It's written into here as an option. It was an option in two thousand and twenty-one. And it's something that we can still do um. But but spending those funds would have to be something that would be uh uh, somehow adjusted.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Okay, Ivan, everybody's had a chance to speak once that has had their hand up so far. Ivan, did you want to?

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Ivan: Uh a a few things here? Let me let me correct it, and that may answer some of you questions.

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Ivan: Um, there's no pay for the administrator.

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Ivan: Um! It was something that I I actually wrote that job description

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Ivan: to come from

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Ivan: the election committee is a working group, especially the last few weeks. We're on the phone all day long

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Ivan: trying to figure out printing costs and this distribution all kinds of things. We couldn't call meetings for every one of those things. So I recommended creating this position, which the Board did. Um, but there was no pay,

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Ivan: so Don't worry about that. The Administration assisted. The election assistant was Michael Lyn, who we did hire through a a hiring company,

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Ivan: and he actually ran, I think, two or three elections with that. So he did get paid because he did all the the grunt work.

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Ivan: Um

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Ivan: the um. Let's see.

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Ivan: Now I I, Jim, I need to correct something here that you said that with the task force somebody has to create a task force, and the way we've always done. It is. Whoever creates this task force appoints the members

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Ivan: right. It isn't just the chair you would. If it's you, you would have to appoint all of the members

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Ivan: for this committee. The the care doesn't have anything to do with that.

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Ivan: All right. Just

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Ivan: a word of advice about our best practice. Um following kind of okay. Um.

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Ivan: Also

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Ivan: it it it.

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Ivan: It's written with the consent of the board.

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Ivan: I deliberately put that in. I wanted the Board

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Ivan: to approve of whoever it was going to be. I knew it would probably be me. I wanted to have that backing that the whole board approved it. It didn't just come from one person. So you're a little bit off there. The board does mean to vote on your selection just to give back up

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Ivan: last thing, folks,

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Ivan: we're We're two weeks away from the beginning of five Link.

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Ivan: You can't wait anymore. I mean, Jim, you're You're saying you're not going to do it tonight. You need to do it at a board meeting at some point to make this public announcement. I don't know. When are you going to do it

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if the filing is over.

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Ivan: I mean, think about what you're doing here, guys, please. Whatever you choose. Get on this stick, figure it out, and point somebody to night, either way, so they can get started.

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Ivan: Thank you.

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jim murez: Okay, Thank you, Ivan. Could you lower your hand, please? Um. I understand from a text message that that uh

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jim murez: Robert's hand got lowered accidentally, and so did Alice. If you wanted to put them back up again,

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jim murez: if you have a question, i'm happy to. Uh

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jim murez: give you a chance to speak. Robert. Go ahead. I'm: Okay.

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jim murez: Thank you.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Okay.

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jim murez: I feel like we beat this thing into the ground.

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jim murez: I don't think i'm prepared at this point to uh, say, who the election administrator should be.

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jim murez: We could table this thing and have a board meeting in December to talk about it next Week's a holiday. We're not going to do it next week.

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jim murez: Um, by then the uh. By the time the Board meeting would occur in December. If we do it at the regularly scheduled board meeting. Um!

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jim murez: The vast majority of the candidate recruitment portion of the election cycle will be over.

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jim murez: Um, I personally feel like this is something we should vote on tonight.

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jim murez: I think option B makes a lot more sense for a lot of reasons than option. A

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jim murez: um. And and uh,

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jim murez: with that I see that three more hands have been raised. Let's make it quick, and then let's take a vote.

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melissa diner: Yeah, I just want to know if we If this doesn't pass, then what happens?

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jim murez: Um, Well, we'll go on to the next agenda item, unless somebody

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jim murez: bumped out when he changed to his cell phone.

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jim murez: Okay, J: You're being promoted back.

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jim murez: Okay, Sorry.

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melissa diner: Okay. Just I just want to know what happens if we don't pass one or the other.

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jim murez: Well, we don't move forward.

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melissa diner: But what do you mean? We don't move forward. We literally, you said, before we don't have an election, or does the city administer the election? That's what I want to understand.

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melissa diner: Right? So this city will still run an election in their sub far way whether we appreciate it or not. I just want to make sure that's clear to everyone. Whether we participate or not. They will still move forward in their

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melissa diner: complicated, bare minimum way of

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melissa diner: having us vote by mail or in person, and that meetings will still continue in person like until future notice. Whether we vote this up or down.

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melissa diner: I just wanna make sure. I know if if we don't vote anything up they will still have an election with or without us for the Vnc:

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melissa diner: That's correct.

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Alley Bean: Yeah. Um. Let me see if I'm: Yeah, i'm unmuted. Okay, Sorry. There's my video. Um. I've uh two questions. One I've been mentioned um, somebody that was hired

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Ivan: uh and paid to do all the grant work. Um! Is that person still available? Because that sounds nonpartisan to me and good. I was told that that person is unavailable. No, he he is now the president of the uh south of Robertson Neighborhood Council, so he doesn't have the time to do it again.

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Alley Bean: Okay? Well, it'd be awesome if we could find someone like that. That is

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Alley Bean: impartial. My only worry about this whole committee when I didn't know that much about it. And, Robert, I really was being genuine, I in that. I don't know how to make it nonpartisan, but I think it's really important. I So that, and and Jim along those lines, I think, would be amazing if you could be transparent tonight and say who you're thinking of a pointing just so that it takes the fear away that it's going to be somebody that's

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jim murez: you know not partisan the problem Alley, that i'm having with with doing that I I would love to appoint Ivan, but he's made it very clear that at this time he's not ready to do it.

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jim murez: And as far as Chris, I've been getting a lot of pushback from a lot of people, I mean. I said I've had conversations with people, a lot of people have been contacted. So I don't have. I don't have a clear vision at this point of who should do it? I would love to find another Michael Lynn. But at this point I put out feelers to several people, and everyone's asking around. But at this point we don't have anybody.

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Mhm

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jim murez: I think that's people's reservation. But I think you know, just for my two cents, I think Option B sounds

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jim murez: i'm sorry. What can I say?

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CJ Cole: Um Cj: Go ahead.

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CJ Cole: Jim is not ready to make a recommendation for either a committee chair or for an election Administrator. Okay. So it doesn't matter which one we vote on.

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CJ Cole: So I would like to make a motion that we adopt Option B, and take no more than three or four days, or however many is necessary to come up with the appointment, but just basically that we choose one of them. And then we choose option B.

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jim murez: That that we already have. We already have the motion by Alley and and Elizabeth. So now it's just a question of of which one are we going to vote on? Is that what you're saying. I'm not understanding it. Yeah. So making a motion just to vote on the

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jim murez: so w the motion, then um

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Ivan: the mo. No on the floor is to do either A or B, and she's making a motion to do B. The board doesn't like it. They can vote it down, go to A. It's a motion to do. Be with caveat,

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Daffodil Tyminski: right?

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Soledad Ursua: No, I think it don't do the caveats. You just do.

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jim murez: Okay. So we're taking out this one

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jim murez: and we're saying that option B is what we're going to select, and and uh

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jim murez: Cj. Is making it. Who wanted to second it? Did I hear solid that Speak up.

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jim murez: Thank you. Solid on.

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jim murez: Okay. Um. So now that that's on the floor.

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jim murez: Um, i'm not sure. Ivan, do we need to take public comment on this, since it was already up there before.

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jay: Yeah, All I wanted to say to everybody was, you know, if if you don't vote A or B

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jay: uh city. Clark is not going to do anything other than the fundamental election itself, which means you'll have no outreach. The only candidates that will probably come through, or whoever we run around and talk to, or those on the board that just want to jump in and keep their seats.

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jay: Uh. The whole idea of the people on the committee would have to get off. The committee is, you know, if they decide to run

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jay: is to make it as transparent as humanly possible to avoid as many grievances and and challenges as humanly possible. So how the committee is built a good part of that is going to be making sure you that there are people who are not interested on being on the board, but are interested in helping us hold fair, transparent

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jay: uh elections, you know. So you know again I I I'll fully support, you know. Be I think it's the right way to go right now. I don't think we can postpone a vote, and if we vote everything down, just remember what you're going to end up with is

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jay: uh more of an affirmation than an election.

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jay: Thank you

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jim murez: okay and solid, Dad. You had your hand up.

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Soledad Ursua: Um. So no, I lowered it. I was just trying to be

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah, I mean just two questions. One

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Daffodil Tyminski: I Ivan had mentioned when he was speaking, that he thought that the Board did have to approve whoever was selected on option. B.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So i'm just wanting some clarification on that, because that's been my understanding, too.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, But I also think I i'm still like on the one hand, we're saying, and I I believe you on this, that you don't have anybody that's willing to do it. And we've reached out to all these different people.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But then, on the other hand, you're gonna appoint somebody quickly. And um! Those things to me seem to be in tension with one another

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Daffodil Tyminski: like, Do we have no idea of who the possibilities are. And how are we going to find this person?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay? Well, I guess I like option. B. I'm. Just really uncomfortable with everyone voting for it. Um without us knowing who the possibilities are.

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jim murez: Um and and uh, we talked about Christopher and and uh

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jim murez: it's just not clear that that's the right thing to do right now. I've been hearing a lot of complaints about it, and I like I said I don't feel comfortable with it if it's my only choice. That may be the choice that I take. But I would love to hear

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jim murez: from your opinion. Um, you know your Vice President. You have a lot of contacts in the community, especially in the legal community. Maybe you know somebody that would like to volunteer and do some of this work. It'd be great um up until now I haven't gotten any participation out of anybody except for Ivan and Chris

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Ivan: and and i'm sorry, but that's just the way it is

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Ivan: a point three or four people to find an election administrator.

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jim murez: Oh, that we could do

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Ivan: Okay, And I would be willing to serve on that if if you uh

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jim murez: and I won't do it. Training? Well, I'm. I'm. I'm happy to do that. Do we want to modify this motion? Is Cj: You don't have to. No, just do it. Just appoint the people and have them go. Well, okay, I will be Ha! I will definitely appoint. I will create a task force with with. I've been included, and I will make sure, Daffodil, I would like to appoint you to be part of that task force as Well,

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jim murez: um! And and who else would like to be? Maybe Elizabeth, would you like to be part of the task force to help pick people out?

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Elizabeth C : Uh, maybe. Yeah, I i'm fine with it. Um, uh what? Just Just please give me one second Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: um. My only concern is i'm leaving the country on Saturday for two weeks I will definitely be in contact. But I'm i'm not going to be physically here in Venice recruiting people.

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Daffodil Tyminski: That's fine.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Say that again, I said. As long as you have your cell phone that would work fine, you could be part of a task force. You can participate in a zoom call,

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Elizabeth C : and that that was my issue to Jim. Just that I I have to pop out of the country, but not even in a different time zone, so I guess it can work. Yeah. I mean one alternative here, Jim, because look at what

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Daffodil Tyminski: I have to just honestly say the minimal participation here has been, it's been very difficult to participate, so it's not that no one is ever willing to step up to do anything. It's that people get treated badly, and often shot down in their opinions, and that just persuades people from wanting to engage. So

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Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, now it's just it on at the very last minute after you say, Okay, I've had this for six months. Nothing has happened here. We've got a week. You three people figure it out, so i'm willing to help out and do it. I just don't think it's that realistic. I almost think

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Daffodil Tyminski: that either you appoint somebody and we hold another meeting on one issue for the Board to approve it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You know you put forward three candidates or something like that, and we'll all help you find those people, but This just seems to be a classic,

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Daffodil Tyminski: you know. Push it on to the next person, and I just don't know frankly in the timeline. It's going to work.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, because the task force then would have to report back, and then someone would have to make a call

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Daffodil Tyminski: right it doesn't actually solve the problem.

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Ivan: Now that the task force would make a recommendation,

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Ivan: and then it's up to Jim to appoint them or not,

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Ivan: and then the Board confirms his appointment.

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: Well, we can certainly create a task force of three or four people.

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melissa diner: Just everybody. Try and find an election administrator like. If you know someone that's nonpartisan that'll get involved, and do a good job and not act like It's an election in one thousand nine hundred and seventy-five

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melissa diner: talk to Jim,

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jim murez: All right, uh Michelle, you have your hand up,

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jim murez: Daffodil. Do you need to keep your hand up?

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michael jensen: Yeah, my! My comment was just a ratification component which it sounds like, was the intent in talking and hearing what I've been said,

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michael jensen: and then

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michael jensen: uh

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michael jensen: I mean I mean, I think I I sort of agree with with Daffodil's point that

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michael jensen: we haven't found anyone. But we're voting on

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michael jensen: authorizing you to find someone which it just seems like a circle here. Um! But I think we've talked about that sufficiently now. But the first comment, I think a ratification component to this needs to be

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jim murez: okay.

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jim murez: Um, Elizabeth, go ahead.

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Elizabeth C : Um. I just. My only curiosity was, Is there any conflict but around the fact that we voted through the plan of an election plan of someone who then turn around and is now telling you that they're going to be running as a candidate like we adopted their plan.

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Elizabeth C : I I thought it was with the sense that they were going to be heading up that plan. But now we're advised tonight that he's actually running. So

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Elizabeth C : I I saw a conflict in that, but maybe I stand alone. I'm not. I'm. Not too sure. Just asking.

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jim murez: Okay,

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Alley Bean: um. I was just wondering. Do we have to wait till the next board meeting? Um for you to run the candidate by, and and Ivan said also that he ran the um the Coal Committee by the board, or can we have a special meeting where we

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Alley Bean: here, who you're appointing, and then um, just because December seems far off, and we may not even have a December. My My suggestion would be. We find somebody as quickly as possible, called Special Board meeting. Have them appointed and let them start working

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question. Yeah, thank you.

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Ivan: All right.

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jim murez: Okay, Uh J. You have your hand up.

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jay: So you know.

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jay: Christopher came into this thing with the plan, and we did vote the plan. Christopher we all knew, was going to run,

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jay: and we all agreed that, you know, holding off as long as he could, and running and filing uh would give us the opportunity to get him started and get the plan enacted uh reaching out for candidates and doing some of the very immediate preliminary things that need to be done.

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jay: I don't think that's unimaginable at this point,

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jay: even though we know he's going to run it. Doesn't mean he's going to file on day one

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jay: uh you know. I think we're We're putting the cart before the horse here, you know. I think we can have a task force. You can appoint Christopher to start, and we can with the proviso that we're going to go ahead with the task force

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jay: and find somebody that will be able to work with him and then replace him when he decides to run,

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jay: and I think that's the best cost of action, and you know i'm i'm more than willing to help any way I can on the task force,

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jay: but I think that that's the first course of action. Just appoint them tonight. Let's get started. There were a lot of good ideas at the outreach committee last night to get things started, and it doesn't make sense not to get it started. So I would appoint him tonight.

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jay: Okay, even if you appoint them as the interim Administrator. Okay, and then get for whatever you want to call them. I'm not going to call them an administrator uh election chair, whatever, and let him be the interim guy. Okay, and let the task force go out and find someone that can replace him when he files.

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jay: But you have a plan. You have a guy, and you got some people willing to go out and search for people.

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jay: So

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jay: you know I that's that's my suggestion. Just take it all in that order and make it happen. And let's get started on promoting these elections tomorrow.

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jim murez: Okay, thank you, Jay Robert, you have your hand up

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robertthibodeau: um, based on what Jay saying? I think some of us are going to leave this meeting. I'm i'm going to check check out. So mark me, absent. Oh, no, wait, Robert. That means we will not have a quorum anymore. You got it, Buddy

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melissa diner: Elizabeth just left you. So I think we're we're done, unfortunately.

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jim murez: But we, we, you guys, we also have to just like, not exhaust everybody in our efforts, you know. I mean, it's so hard with the zoom meeting. So i'm not blaming anyone. This meeting is over. We only have uh nine participants still here.

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Ivan: Um! We no longer have a quorum. Good night, everyone. Thank you. What we made women. Oh, yeah, you have to. Okay,

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Ivan: alright, Thank you All.