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jim murez: Good evening,

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jim murez: Christopher. Are you there?

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jim murez: Unmute yourself if you can hear me.

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Christopher Lee: Yeah, i'm here.

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jim murez: Good evening.

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Christopher Lee: I can see moving, but I can't hear you hold on a second. Maybe that's my speakers.

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jim murez: Uh, much better. So. Hey? Um, Do you have a text version? Just a plain text version of any budget refinements. I got a Pdf. But I was sort of thinking that just

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jim murez: plain text, because the agenda

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jim murez: uh system Doesn't uh support

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jim murez: screenshots of

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jim murez: Pdfs or something, and it's sort of hard to extract it out of a Pdf.

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Christopher Lee: Gotcha. Give me one moment and i'll.

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Christopher Lee: I'll text it to you. Okay,

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Christopher Lee: see if this copies uh does not copy over Nice.

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jim murez: I'm working on it, Helen. It's jumping around.

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jim murez: I can't do it now, damn it!

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Christopher Lee: I also typed it up in the agenda.

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Christopher Lee: Um

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Christopher Lee: in the agenda.

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Thanks, Jim.

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jim murez: You typed it up in the agenda

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Christopher Lee: pretty sure I did uh because I pulled it out piece by piece. I'm not sure how you would do that. It's an automated program that

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Christopher Lee: uh in the agenda request form. I typed it up.

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jim murez: Oh,

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jim murez: I haven't downloaded new agenda. When did you send that out

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Christopher Lee: yesterday at ten? Pm:

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jim murez: Okay, I haven't looked today.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Let me go see if I can find it that way.

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Christopher Lee: I'm just editing this Html block down so

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Christopher Lee: I can send it to you as I'm looking. Now.

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Yeah,

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jim murez: yes, there it is.

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Christopher Lee: Okay. It's also been sent to you as a text. Now,

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jim murez: Hmm.

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jim murez: I suspect it looked differently

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jim murez: somewhere else.

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jim murez: Where's our zoom meeting?

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jim murez: If anybody is a board member or a committee member, I should say that. Uh, I have not promoted already to committee. Could you raise your hand, please? Only committee members raise their hand?

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jim murez: Mr. J. Are you here?

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jim murez: Hello! J. I'm. Here. Okay, great. I'm gonna make you co-host.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: No. Ivan I tried to promote his. I I've been here. He's he's on this committee. Isn't? He?

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jay: Yes,

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jim murez: that's what I thought. Okay. So we have one, two, three, four, five people. Are there anybody missing?

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jim murez: Um! What do we have we have. So Daffodil is your is your uh uh

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jim murez: phone number. Start with a six hundred and nine, and and with a four hundred and eighteen. Just raise your hand if say yes.

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jim murez: Yes. Haha! Very funny. Okay,

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jim murez: um. Let's see. How do I promote you? Just a second

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jim murez: that the lawyer had.

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jim murez: And now why isn't it letting me promote you?

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jim murez: Oh, because maybe you're on a telephone, and it's not all I can do, Daffodil. I can allow you to talk, but I can't. Uh,

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jim murez: I can't promote you to a panelist.

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jim murez: Daffodil, are you there?

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jim murez: You have to unmute

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Okay, I think I can rename it. Now i'm going to rename you. So everybody knows.

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Daffodil: Okay,

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jay: Have a good one. I'll see you tomorrow.

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jim murez: Okay, Let's see if I can

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jim murez: share my screen. And then J. You can start conducting the meeting, I guess.

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jim murez: Um and Jay just to make you aware of it.

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jim murez: Christopher sent me

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jim murez: a revised copy

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jim murez: of the agenda. Item. It's down here at the bottom. It hasn't been formatted. I don't know if you want me to format it before we start the meeting, or just

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jim murez: wait until afterwards. It it's sort of hard to read this, but I would at least put separate lines in along the way,

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jim murez: probably. Probably.

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jay: Yeah, I think if we can drop it down so it's uh each line is a dollar amount, so it'd be easy if everyone to.

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jim murez: I think this is probably about right. Christopher is

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jim murez: in the meeting also.

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jim murez: Um,

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Helen Fallon: this one, Jim at the bottom. Did I miss one? Thank you. Yeah. Right up to the five hundred. There, there you go!

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jim murez: Oh, here, there's a three thousand also.

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jim murez: Uh, see any more.

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jim murez: The link really should be. Can you send this out so we can see it.

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jim murez: Um, how do I let me think? Let me think. Let me think. Yes, I can let me.

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jim murez: So I think what we're doing is, we're making this an alternate motion. Was that the idea? Jay?

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jay: Well, I mean it. It seems like the part of the issue here. Um,

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jay: Well, let's do this, I mean, let let's get the roll call done,

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jay: and we can skip down to that

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jay: to start that discussion. If we're going to have that discussion it should be in the meeting.

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jay: Um! So

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jay: let's let's do roll call first.

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jay: Uh thanks.

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jay: So. Yes, i'm here, Jim.

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jim murez: Um Oh, shit! I just made a mistake.

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jim murez: This is in the wrong mode. Hang on a second.

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jay: Okay, all right.

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jay: Alright, So let's start with attendance, Jim.

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jim murez: So J. Is here.

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jim murez: James is here, Daffodil

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Daffodil: here

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jay: six months

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jay: here. Ivan

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jay: Ivan.

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jim murez: He was here.

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Ivan: I'm here. Okay,

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jay: Yeah, I've been here. Helen's here. Everybody is here full deck,

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jim murez: and we have quam any exportate communications from anybody. I've had conversations with Chris with you and with Ivan Um in various different ways about how to put the agenda together and get it ready for the board meeting other than that. Nope.

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jay: I've had conversations with uh Chris for sure.

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Helen Fallon: I've had emails with Chris.

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jay: Okay,

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jay: uh item, five approval prior minutes.

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Daffodil: I don't mean to say that. But isn't that a now a brown act violation?

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jay: No,

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jay: no, because I you know my conversation with

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jay: um. Helen was about the situation with Chris,

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jay: and my my conversation with Chris was about how to put together an agenda item to bring to the committee

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Daffodil: okay

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jay: approval of minutes.

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jay: I need a a motion. I'll make Jimo make the motion motion By Jim. Second: By

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jay: yeah, okay. Is there any comment on the minutes,

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jay: seeing none.

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jay: Is there anybody who is objecting to the minutes?

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jim murez: No; but Jake, can I ask you a quick question? Are you monitoring um rays of hands in the attendee list.

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jay: Um, let me open it up for monitoring it. I have a hand from Helen Helen.

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Helen Fallon: I just wanted to say i'm standing. I didn't look at the minutes, so I have no idea what the record.

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jay: Okay? Well, when the boat comes you can abstain That's fine.

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jay: Um, Do you want me to bring them up on the screen. I see no other hands,

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jay: So

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jay: is there anybody who abstains?

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jay: Yes, I am

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jay: seeing none, and everyone else will be a Yes,

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jay: all right, rolling right along announcements and public comment on items, Not on the agenda. Do we have anyone in the public

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jay: who would like to speak

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jay: on non-agendized items.

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jay: I have a Lisa

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: Did we unmute her

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jim murez: hold on a second. I'm working on. That's okay, Elisa go Lisa go ahead. You're unmuted.

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Lisa Redmond: Okay, Now I meet unmuted. Um. I wanted to bring up that on Thursday at Adcom. I made a comment about how Budget should meet monthly, and the treasurer wanted to make sure to point out that it would be a waste of People's time to um

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Lisa Redmond: me unless it was necessary. But i'm starting to wonder, How is it not a waste of time to always do these last minute meetings, which kind of tend to be around what's always happening with Budget

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Lisa Redmond: Um! Wouldn't it be better for people's time to know regularly that you meet on the second Friday or the first Monday um, so that people can plan their schedules around it, or it's starting to be now always on the third Monday

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Lisa Redmond: as a last-minute thing right before the board meeting.

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Lisa Redmond: Um. And then also, Don't, you need to do monthly myrrh approvals and tragic reports, so I do feel that there is a need for budget as important as it is to and for the Budget Committee to go over expenditures every month. That's just my looking at it from a public constituency.

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jay: So just, very quickly, and I know I don't like to do responses. But as I,

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jay: as I explained, I don't hold budget meetings when no one submits anything to me.

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jay: Number two. The Board's responsibility is to review the Mers, not the Budget Committee that money is already spent and approved by the city, and all we're doing is a formality number three. The reason we have all these last minute

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jay: is because we at the Budget Committee get last minute requests. We We schedule a budget meeting every month, and we cancel a budget meeting every month because we have nothing to do.

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jay: I see no other hands. We'll move on to the next agenda item

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jay: uh new business B and C election plan.

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jay: So the original motion that was given to us

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jay: uh, as Jim mentioned, has a superseding motion by the maker, Jim. If we could stroll down to the uh

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jay: superseding motion,

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jim murez: I would I would bring it up if if that's what we're going to be doing.

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jay: Yeah.

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jay: uh the motion. This is item number I'm: sorry I can't read it. It's scrolled up. Item number ten is what we're going to take up now, uh which uh,

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jay: we are given. We are given a substitute motion by Christopher Lee.

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jim murez: Um, I will. I will make the motion.

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jim murez: It was just it was just added, Um, look at Maybe when I I got this off the website, so how do I get it? J: Let me interrupt for one second. Let me uh

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jim murez: create this thing as a Pdf. And post it on the website, so anybody that wants it can get it real quick because I just got it this afternoon,

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Ivan: and I have not yet removed agenda.

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Ivan: It's also downloaded the agenda. It's not there. I don't have it, Ivan. You're not listening. I would need to post it. J: Is that okay? Can we take a minute out for me to post it? Uh: we'll take a two minute break. Okay,

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jim murez: Okay, Ivan, you can now download it If you go to the calendar on the Vnc's website and look at the meeting for tonight. There's a link there that says, uh

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jim murez: budget, What did it say? Uh minutes? B Fc: underscore draft underscore Print me

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Ivan: alright? So

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Ivan: where am I? Here

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Ivan: I who finance? Yeah,

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Ivan: there's a link to the meeting agenda. Is that it?

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jim murez: No, there's a second link there also.

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jim murez: I don't press refresh on your screen. You're probably looking at a

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Ivan: at a wrong version.

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Ivan: Yeah, there's a second I'm. Now sharing the screen. That shows the second one. Is this one here on the right hand side. Okay, All right. I got it. Okay. Now, Now you can scroll down to Uh yeah, I see it to item ten. It's at the very bottom of the agenda. I see it. Okay. Good.

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Helen Fallon: Yeah. I'm working on it.

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jim murez: So this zoom thing is like

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jim murez: trying to figure out how to make it work,

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Daffodil: because this is largely the same, except there's an additional

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Daffodil: seven thousand dollars, or I guess, nine thousand dollars.

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jim murez: I have not reviewed it. I don't know I'm still trying to figure out how to get

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jim murez: zoom to go full screen.

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jim murez: I don't know what happened to the controls

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jay: really. Tape controls.

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jim murez: Oh, here we go.

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jim murez: This is not working.

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jim murez: Okay. So now I'm going back to screen share.

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jay: Okay,

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jim murez: Did that work?

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jim murez: There you go. We're back. Yeah. But I have this. Comfort my screen. Hold on a second.

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jay: Okay, go ahead. Okay. So this is a motion that you we need a maker.

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jay: And I offered to be the maker. So Jim is the maker who's seconding it.

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jim murez: But wait a second. This isn't working right

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jim murez: something's not right yet. It didn't load back up right,

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Helen Fallon: and maybe we could just move in second,

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Helen Fallon: a motion regarding the election, and at least start

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Helen Fallon: having a presentation from I'm. Uh Chris, on what the changes are.

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jim murez: Oh, I know why. Because it doesn't have the roll call. Sorry.

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jim murez: No, damn it, Hold on a minute. This got confused.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jay: all right. So Maker Jim Second, who

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jay: second by who?

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jay: Well, for purposes of discussion, I will second it.

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jay: Okay, I'm going to ask. I'm going to give five minutes to Christopher

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jay: to go through his plan briefly and give us the base plan and the updates, and any

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jay: uh thoughts on why, it is the way it is,

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jay: and try and keep it to that five minutes.

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jay: And can I just ask The motion that was made was the motion on the posted agenda?

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jay: Item number ten. It's It's actually an alternate motion daffodil.

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Daffodil: Okay. So we're skipping eight totally and not dealing with eight.

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Christopher Lee: Okay.

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Christopher Lee: Okay. So the budget that's been submitted for the Vnc. Election plan has now been updated to reflect stakeholder opinion and feedback um of note is due to the process of getting this approved. We have now a shortened timeline. So the original anticipated six months of targeted social media ad spending has been reduced to three months.

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Christopher Lee: Now I've kept that budget line at one thousand dollars, seeing as that is something that we can control like and add, spend, and we can uh turn that off if we feel we've reached sufficient coverage within the appropriate zip codes of now nine zero, two, nine, one and nine zero, two nine two.

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Christopher Lee: I have reviewed the printing cost estimate uh submitted with the agenda motion was the um

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Christopher Lee: a pro forma invoice from Green ray design. Who is able to cover that printing? I've also sourced it from a second vendor, an online vendor called next day Flyerscom. That will be able to do the thirty thousand five by seven double-sided postcards

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Christopher Lee: uh, and two hundred. That is, four runs of fifty posters uh, at the price of three thousand five hundred dollars.

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Christopher Lee: The Usps routing has also been updated to reflect the uh thirteen postal routes. We need to cover within nine through two to two, to appropriately address all of the Venice stakeholders which does bring up the price for the Usps. Eddm. To five hundred

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Christopher Lee: uh. Within. This is also a consideration for the graphic design package which outlines five templates for social media messaging design, and the Pnc election page to be implemented by the Vnc. Board, The design of the postcard mailer, poster options, and a unified branding package for all of our

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Christopher Lee: I have removed the elite election administrator line and folded that into the contingency that contingency can be applied to additional assets that have been requested from uh community stakeholders, one of them being a first mailer to go out in advance of what is anticipated in the schedule.

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Christopher Lee: The total cost of that between printing and distribution to every doorstep would come out to seven thousand. That would be one thousand five hundred for the print of the flyers, and five hundred again, for that every door distribution uh through usps

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Christopher Lee: an additional consideration. Um is the two hundred dollars for the production of three hundred and sixty inch by thirty-six inch vinyl banners for placement and key areas in the neighborhood such as uh the Oakwood Recreation Center, where the in-person voting will occur and possibly other key intersections. Uh, perhaps the farmers market, perhaps at Kenny uh with those locations to be decided. So those are the main call outs on what has changed in the

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Christopher Lee: within the Pdf itself. I've included the

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Christopher Lee: templates for designs, as well as examples from our neighboring Uh

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Christopher Lee: and also what the possible banner Again, using an example from our vista, could look like.

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Christopher Lee: I've also attached my committee recommendations for who would constitute this committee? Now this is pretty ambitious. In coverage. It does outline one, two, three, four, five,

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Christopher Lee: seventeen possible volunteer positions to be filled, and that would be a combination of people that are already existing in the Vnc. And requesting support from our community stakeholders. Uh.

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Christopher Lee: And lastly, there were two submitted Pdfs, which are the pro forma invoices for Green ray designs for their design services and their print services. For consider everything with this more

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Christopher Lee: so that outlines all the changes, updates to the election plan as submitted. Um,

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Christopher Lee: with the latest agenda request.

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jay: Please raise your hand if you have a public comment.

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Lisa Redmond: excellent. Okay, Lisa. I think that this is a really well

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Lisa Redmond: thought out plan by Christopher. Um, he's put a shit ton of work into this, I think better than you know. Anybody here deserves, he's dedicated, and this is the most detailed as long as I've been with involved with the V. And C. That I've ever seen anybody do

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Lisa Redmond: uh consider that you accept Chris's recommendations, and let him move forward with this. Thank you.

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jim murez: i'm unmuting her. Go ahead, Cj:

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CJ Cole: I i'm just really confused. I'm sitting here trying to add

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CJ Cole: and I come to, you know it's not total.

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CJ Cole: twenty-two thousand or something. Um, i'm trying to do two things at once. It's supposed to be in another meeting, because you guys would didn't start on time.

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CJ Cole: But would somebody else help me and add you.

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CJ Cole: Okay? And then the thing that I don't understand is why we have decided not to do the newspaper that had all the candidates information and photos in it. Uh, and I do know that that is all extremely heavily used. Postcards don't do a dog on thing. We get

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CJ Cole: ten of them a day in the mail

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CJ Cole: that the the votes typically is not necessarily the twenties and thirties it's in the sixties and seventies. Um,

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CJ Cole: So I just i'm confused, and i'm sorry to take so long. I I You know I was prepared for it to be like on the agenda. So

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jim murez: Go ahead, Vicki

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vicki halliday: um! Just one quick question on all this. Um! With this motion and the increase in money. Um! Where does the Where will the additional money come from?

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vicki halliday: Um, because wasn't there a fif thousand number tossed out is allocated for this election. So where's the extra money coming from? That would be my question. Thank you.

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Erica Moore: Go ahead. Go ahead, Erica. You're unmuted. Thanks so much. I'm sorry I've been having a technical issues. Um, So thanks for taking my last minute hand. Um! Oh, first of all, I want to thank Christopher for spending all of his time to put this together, because i'm sure that was incredibly time consuming.

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Erica Moore: Uh, I wanted to know Also, I I do like the idea of the of the newspaper ad where it did show the candidates with the little blurbs about them. I thought that was helpful and useful, but I also um.

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Erica Moore: I think a mail is a great idea, but I actually really um like the idea that mark this to put forward, which is, they're doing door hangers, which I think is more effective than a mailer in the sense that

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Erica Moore: uh people see it when they come home on their door, whereas I know for myself with mail I get so much mail that you flip through really fast when it's like all these little cards and everything. You don't necessarily pay attention, or it's easier to miss

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Erica Moore: um. I'm just wondering. I don't know. Maybe door hangers are more expensive, but maybe the if they don't have to be mailed that's an offset. I realize a person has to actually physically put them on the door, so i'm not sure how that all works out. But um,

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Erica Moore: I just It's just a um question about that, and I think it is really important that we get moving on whatever we're going to do. Asap because we are behind the eight ball. I know Marvin to put their door got their door hangers happening like a month ago.

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Erica Moore: So um! I'd like to see this in motion, and I do agree. We need to have visibility in other locations just then the farmer's market. It needs to be in East Venice. There needs to be a presence

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Erica Moore: in oak wood. There needs to be presence, you know, down at the board walk there needs to be a presence over on roads. I mean. It needs to be all over, so that everybody is aware of what's happening and can participate. I think the bottom line at the end of the day is this is all about stakeholders being involved. But if they don't really know about it, they're not going to be at all. Thank you,

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Christopher Lee: Uh, yes, it was. Is it appropriate to address some of the feedback from the community? Um! So uh Cj. I did get you more request for the the mailer for the candidate Information? Um! Why, that was not included, and I failed to include this as a suggestion, was the cost consideration, since that would have come out to another

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Christopher Lee: twenty, six hundred for print cost, and then another fifty, five hundred, if we were to, you know, for every single household um

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Christopher Lee: The consideration at the time was to use the Qr. Codes to drive people to the Vnc website, so they could see all that candidate information, and I do get that that may work for certain demographics and not for others. So it is a a matter of just balancing the needs of the community, so that we're spending our money effectively.

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Christopher Lee: As for the door mailers, Erica, that is a great idea, and the consideration that you've called out of while it may save us some money on the uh postal distribution. It will require an increased volunteer force to ensure that we do have the same coverage on all the doors,

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Christopher Lee: so i'm open. Assuming this, gets passed, and the committee the election committee is created, i'm. Open to whatever volunteer help will come out of the woodwork to support that effort. Uh, but at this point it's looking at um.

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Christopher Lee: the get to be determined Committee, which means more money to have the post Office do it as a service that they already provide. Seems like the more

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jay: so we will get. I see no other public comment hand. So i'm going to close public comment,

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Daffodil: Okay? Uh, yeah, I'm: Uh: this is all very, very new to me. Um! And I guess my first question is, has this plan been improved? Because I thought the idea was It's going to go to the board, and what we're doing now is just creating a budget that if that plan is approved, this is what we would spend.

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Daffodil: So I just have that question to I'm also confused about where the money comes from. Um,

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Daffodil: so i'm i'm sure some will just that I um With respect to the cards. I actually think two cards are a real waste.

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Daffodil: I know they don't even get delivered on my block. They all end up in the Walk Street just kind of thrown away.

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Daffodil: Um, and I know in my house I don't even take in the mail, so stuff like that gets weeded out before I even get to it like no one will ever see it. So I would just be mindful of that. Um,

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Helen Fallon: nice to congratulate this on a very ambitious plan. I think it depends on an awful lot of people willing to step up, and since we Haven't had people stepping up. I doubt that's going to happen,

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Helen Fallon: so it seems to me we've got to look at what can be bought

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Helen Fallon: to be paid for, and what can get up? Get the word out.

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Helen Fallon: I'm. Partial to two notifications, just because one you've got to notify the Can't people, If there's a candidate, you know that they can file as a candidate

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Helen Fallon: so I don't think that can all be covered in one. I mean, how are we going to get the word out there? This is even candidates.

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Helen Fallon: don't have to be much need for a mailer, because there's a few things in here that I think might be superfluous like the posters. I think it's it's a it's a great idea, but I don't know how that's ever going to be pulled off and organized

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Helen Fallon: um, and where those posters would even go, because I can't even think where they would go. I I partial more to Banner is just because

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Helen Fallon: I think. What? Where vista does put one? Put them up in the parks,

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Helen Fallon: Yeah, you know. Get some visibility out there and reminders to people It's a Good idea.

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Helen Fallon: I I got a postcard last time in the mail. I didn't it. It made it to my house,

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Helen Fallon: I get Cj's point. I think she's right. There's and I did find myself relying on that little newspaper, and that was distributed, and I don't know Ivan must know what that cost in terms of the walking man and the and getting it around through the community because that was not, and go through the post office.

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Helen Fallon: It was handy.

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Helen Fallon: So maybe it should be a combination of the two,

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Helen Fallon: and try and work it out to figure it out. I think we need. I think this thing is to be streamlined, because I think

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Helen Fallon: Well, it it would have been great, I mean, because of the delays that have occurred.

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Helen Fallon: There's things in here that are going to take time to get organized like hiring a graphic designer. You only have to get permission from the city.

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Helen Fallon: Um, same same for the administrator that you know. These are things that you can't just go out and do just because you decide to do it.

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Helen Fallon: Gotta go through the city to get permission. So i'm concerned about that. And as to where the money can come from, there's plenty of money in the outreach budget there's nothing being planned for that. We set aside three thousand dollars for. Uh, you know a uh things that didn't happen the uh forums that never occurred. So there's money there.

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Helen Fallon: It can be put to the election.

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Helen Fallon: Those are my comments.

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Helen Fallon: I don't know how we're gonna Are we presenting this as an amended an amendment to the motion that's on the agenda.

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Helen Fallon: So we're going to make a substitute motion. Huh!

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jim murez: I just want to thank Christopher. I think he's done a great job, and I think that this plan shows a lot of insight and a lot of detail that we will be able to memorialize going forward and continue to revise as the years go by, because it's very detailed and accurate

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jim murez: as far as the postcards versus the paper. I think the postcards are a much better solution.

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jim murez: The Qr code is part of what the postcard will be. It's not the only part of what the postcard will be. We can also have a very simple url. That's the the the website. Address it just, says Ben, as, and see forward slash elections, and and even the old people can type that into their browser. Um, because i'm old and I can do it. Um!

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jim murez: And and I think that the added cost of having walking man take newspapers around to the community the last time was a complete waste.

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jim murez: I know of many people that never got the newspaper, and it's not clear if walking man

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jim murez: got tired after a couple of hours, and just through the rest of them in the trash, or what. But I know that we purchased a lot more that never got distributed.

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jim murez: I also think that we had a much larger budget in earlier years, when we used to post that newspaper. You know. I know that a budget used to be uh for the vnz used to be fifty grand Now it's thirty-five, and I think that that has a lot to do with where we get money, and how we have money to spend on different programs, but also from an environmental standpoint. I guess i'm objecting to the idea of printing multi page newspapers. I think that that's a mistake.

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jim murez: I think the posters are a great idea. And coming back to where to place the posters, I don't know that we're getting enough posters printed. Actually, I think I disagree with an earlier comment that

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jim murez: who knows where the posters are gonna go? But I could think of every public school we have putting one near the entrance, especially where the parents have to come to pick up the kids like Westminster or Broadway.

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jim murez: Um, and and at places like the parks, because the parks all have doors to get into the park like Oakwood Park.

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jim murez: Um! I think that those would be great places to put the posters, and if there are central points in the community in the business districts, perhaps on Rose some of the coffee shops, or at whole foods, I suspect they would probably allow us to put up a poster. I think those would be great locations, so i'm not sure that we have enough posters,

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jim murez: and and the last thing I just want to comment. I think that we forgot one line. Item, that jay we have to include, and that's the cost of the venue um. The The The city clerk said that we need to come up with the, and I can scroll up here, and i'll tell you one hundred and seventy dollars, I think. Yeah, let me let me scroll up. It was a yeah here Oakwood Oakwood, Rec Center polling location, two hundred and seventy dollars. So I think that we have to add that in to this alternate motion i'm not sure that

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jim murez: Christopher knew about that. But that is a an added expense that we have to cover. They're going to cover one hundred and fifty dollars, and we have to cover two hundred and seventy

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jim murez: um, so that's all I have to say. Thank you.

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Helen Fallon: That's what I'm not asking. We we can ask. I mean, there's no harm in asking if if we have a Friendly Council Office. It's totally possible.

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Ivan: I mean It's hard to to go through all this right now. I I just haven't seen it for the first time. I mean. I hope you're not going to just bring this on the board tomorrow night without them having seen it in advance, because that's really unethical.

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Ivan: Um! We could have had this weeks ago,

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Ivan: i'm going to tell you a bunch of things. There's all kinds of rumors going around

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Ivan: about the way things work. People are making things up, and they have no proof, no clue. It's just an opinion.

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Ivan: Um! And We started with a plan close to what this was, but it was ten thousand dollars less um

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Ivan: mailers don't work.

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Ivan: I don't care what your opinion is. I'm going to tell you Mailers do not work.

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Ivan: We tried again at the last election. We've got all right. We will send out one mail for recruitment,

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Ivan: and all I got was calls. We didn't get it. We didn't get it. We didn't get it, and Christopher, I don't know where you're coming from, because you was a number one complainer

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Ivan: you constantly called me. We didn't get it. My friends didn't get it. I didn't get it. I want to know who the printer is because i'm gonna sue them. We need to go into the post Office. They're not being delivered. You hated the fact that postcards didn't get elected, and I don't understand how you can turn around and make your whole election on that.

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Ivan: but you want to go ahead and waste the money. Go ahead

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Ivan: next.

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Ivan: When you talking about the printing your cost to a little bit off, I got stuff done for way less than this. Um, I don't know about Greenway.

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Ivan: Did Did you check to see if they have a Btrc.

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Ivan: Can he answer me? Jay?

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Ivan: Okay.

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Ivan: Hello! I'm back. Thank you. Can I? No, I'm not done yet. Can I? Can I ask Chris for a question?

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jay: Yeah, of course.

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Ivan: Okay.

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Ivan: Do you know Greenway as a Btrc. And do you know if they have a sorting permit.

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Christopher Lee: Here's a

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He has a sorting permit and a reseller license. He's checking on the Brtc.

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Ivan: All right. Um! Because last time the printer we had did the entire thing

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Ivan: with the with the postcards we sent, whereas in here postcard the entire thing was four thousand five hundred dollars

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Ivan: for everything.

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Ivan: Also, I hope you're checking. Please make sure when you say you're adding nine hundred and two, nine two. That's good, because you have left that out. But remember, there are parts of that zip code that are not in Venice, and you're gonna have to pick and choose where you send it to last time with the money I had. We ran out of money.

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Ivan: We didn't have enough to be able to spend to everybody in Venice. So again, you're going to have to figure that one out, but it's going to be coming. Um

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Ivan: uh sorting door. Hangers. Great idea again. They do not work because you have nobody to pass them out.

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Ivan: The only way to get

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Ivan: door hangers hung is for the candidates to do it, and if they do it. The Venice Neighborhood Council can't pay for it with their names on it.

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Ivan: We can't do anything to help promote anybody's candidacy, so

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Ivan: that's not going to happen. It's an interesting idea. It's not going to happen, because no one will do it.

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Ivan: Um

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Ivan: posters the same thing. We used to print up posters, nobody would pass them out.

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Ivan: The only things that got passed out when candidates took them and stuck their names on them, and that's illegal.

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Ivan: They can't be giving out any artwork or anything that has. The Vienn student will go on it.

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Ivan: So that's not a good idea in terms of parks. I don't know where you put it, that you can't put it on trees or post, or anything like that. It's. Illegal to post on public property. So interesting idea! You can't do it, and we can get fine for that

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Ivan: last thing which Cj. Brought up, and I know I told Chris about it. I've talked to a bunch of people about this. The number one tool that we had for getting in voters was to the voter guide.

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Ivan: It's something that we came up with, and I've got to tell you I've worked elections all over the city. I've worked

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Ivan: in elections, probably for forty or fifty neighborhood councils, where I was in the election Administrator.

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Ivan: I got them all to do it, and most of their elections doubled.

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Ivan: It's great hearing what mark this does, but tell me how many voters they get compared to the two thousand that we got the last time.

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Ivan: We also had around two thousand voters.

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Ivan: I'm going to recommend again, really strongly that you look into the voter guide. Not just that they effective in letting the voters know what to the candidates are. It also includes all the information about the candidate forums which I see you've left out of here. There's no money for the candidate forum

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Ivan: uh, or you're not going to do that, too, in case how did the people know? Out of the fifty or sixty community officers we had last time?

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Ivan: Who they are?

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Ivan: You gotta figure that one out. It's two separate things between that and the officers.

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Ivan: So I urge you Please put back the voter guide, and this you know the numbers last election,

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Ivan: and the printing was another two thousand one hundred and seventy.

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Ivan: Okay, So it's forty, one, forty, two hundred dollars to get these voter guides delivered to every household in Venice,

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Ivan: and if people didn't get them, it's because they left them in the sidewalk in front of their house, and pedestrians came by and grabbed them, because it was so useful.

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Ivan: We had, I would say, at least a third of the voters. When we had an in-person poll

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Ivan: came in with the Voter guide circle.

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Ivan: There's no way to replace that with a postcard, if you have what we had last time, which was seventy two candidates,

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Ivan: you know there's no way to put all that on a postcard other than names.

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Ivan: And another thing that we did, which I don't see here. We had postcards that we made up for the candidates with all the names on it, and they could check off their name and hand it out, and it had all the information on about where to vote and how to get a ballot and everything else.

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Ivan: So that was very effective tool.

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Ivan: We also tried bookmarks at the library that wasn't as successful,

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Ivan: all right. So please look at this carefully.

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Ivan: There's a lot of holes in it, and I don't. I don't know if I can improve all these items.

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Ivan: I don't know how you came up with nineteen thousand dollars last year. We spent about fourteen thousand.

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jay: All right. I'm done. Thank you, Ivan Sima!

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Sima Kostovetsky: Hi! Good evening, um! So i'd like to echo a couple of points that have already been brought up, namely,

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Sima Kostovetsky: has this election plan been adopted by the board. That's number one. Um number two. I Here money is being moved

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Sima Kostovetsky: from outreach. I think, Helen, you mentioned that um

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Sima Kostovetsky: that has not gone through outreach, yet so really would appreciate the cur to say that if you're talking about taking money out of the outreach, so i'm consulted, and as in my committee.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Um! I would like to point out that last time using Ivan's expertise, and Ivan and I worked very closely together. And uh, it was a difficult time it was Covid. I don't know. If you guys remember a year and a half ago we didn't know how to do this. We never had a uh,

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Sima Kostovetsky: you know, a mail in election,

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Sima Kostovetsky: and uh,

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Sima Kostovetsky: one of the things that we did by trying to conserve pay for is we actually put the voter guide on our uh

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Sima Kostovetsky: Dmc. Channel. So we put that up on our site so people could access it.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Maybe you can look at reducing somehow incorporating the voter, Guy, because it seems to be an important thing, and even during the last election I mean, I know they have poodles of money, but we got voter guides as well in print. So um I do see the value of them.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Uh, but maybe a way to minimize cost, like I said, would be to put them as a Pdf on our website, which is what we did the last time.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Um, So really uh the other question I had is, you talk about Edm: So is that thirty thousand?

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Sima Kostovetsky: It is that for thirty thousand nailers of the postcard,

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Sima Kostovetsky: and there's going to be two of those

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Christopher Lee: just checking. If I can respond, since it Yeah. So within the within the Pdf. Pages, nineteen and twenty outline, what was looked up on usps. So

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Christopher Lee: we are looking at sixteen point seven thousand household addresses to be delivered to within nine zero, two, nine, one and eleven point eight thousand to be delivered within nine hundred and two,

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Christopher Lee: two, nine, two uh, that is explicitly the ones that are within the V Venice boundaries uh, so that,

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Christopher Lee: and the the costs are outlined. So that's three thousand one hundred to do the Eddm. Through usps for nine, zero, two, nine, one plus another, two thousand two hundred for nine hundred and two, which brings it to just under fifty-five.

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Christopher Lee: So let me just as capital. I'm sorry to interrupt. But where is this pdf?

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Christopher Lee: This is.

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Christopher Lee: This was submitted with the agenda request both for atcom and for this meeting. It it's showing on the screen Deaf Adult. It's part of the text in the first paragraph.

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Daffodil: Http: Yes,

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jim murez: yeah. Https Colin. Forward slice for s app period, Patchcom,

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jim murez: and that would have that will be moved to the Vnc site before

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jim murez: uh it. It becomes final.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Um! I'd also just like to point out something um we had within our budget. So wait. So is the idea that the graphic designers are going to be, submit doing all the work and then going through the Post office for printing

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Sima Kostovetsky: Right? That's the idea. So they're essentially gonna be running our social media campaign and that media campaign for our election.

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Christopher Lee: Yeah, they're gonna be designing all the assets and templates for us and working with us on that schedule. As for the Post Office, they'll be printing and delivering everything to the Post Office with the selected postal routes, so that we don't uh as board member stakeholders. We don't have to get involved with that process at all.

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Sima Kostovetsky: I think there's a couple of things that just need to be worked out here, including where some of the phone is going to go. What

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Daffodil: the link that's on the agenda?

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jim murez: It's not a link i'm trying now.

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Daffodil: I just kind of pasted it. You have to have a login to pitch,

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Daffodil: be able to get to it.

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jim murez: That's another story.

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jim murez: Okay,

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Daffodil: yeah, I just think this is really hard to do in this meeting with I mean, I don't know why this is all subrosa, and we couldn't just get this information before. But,

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Daffodil: like I I don't know how we can decide this with

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Daffodil: on the fly.

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jay: Okay. So the link came up for me. It's on the screen now,

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jim murez: but it's not a live link on the agenda. You have to cut and paste it. That's correct. That's correct. It's all spelled out right there.

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jay: Okay. So

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jay: uh, I think we have no other hands up from participants from panelists. I'm going to make a couple of comments as the budget chair,

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jim murez: and I would, Jake J. I would just like to make a a comment if I could before you. You close this off. I want to make it very clear that that more than three months ago I started talking to several people that have done this in the past with the Vnc.

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jim murez: And they made it very clear that we didn't have enough time to do it, and they threw their hands up in the air, and would not give me any information about what had been done in the past. They didn't have it in their files. They didn't know where it was. There wasn't anything being recorded in previous documents on the Vnc. Site

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jim murez: that there's too much coming at us at the last minute. I wish they would have stepped up three or four months ago, when we first started talking about this, and didn't want to do anything at that time.

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Helen Fallon: Yeah, I was about to say the same thing. We're up against the wall. It's because it's been months of delays, and

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jay: this all should have been discussed in other committees. But it wasn't. So here we are, and we have to get this out because people can file in in two weeks.

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jay: Okay, let's go back to the agenda item.

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jay: Okay, I I said, i'm not gonna um. We're not going to do this.

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jay: Okay, everyone wants to go out and throw tomatoes at each other later. Have a great time.

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jay: Okay. So

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jay: look here's the bottom line.

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jay: We are where we are. We're either gonna come up with a plan, a fiscal plan that works the Board can beat it to death whether they want a.

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jay: You know, if we decide that this is that, and Chris agrees not to do this or to do that. Ultimately. It's the board. Our job is the budget.

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jay: So let's talk about the budget.

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jay: The plan we have in front of me is four thousand four hundred and seventy dollars over the allocated money for elections.

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jay: Okay, So that's the basis that we need to start with.

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jay: So the question then becomes:

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jay: Do we go to the board? The general fund has eight thousand seven hundred and ninety-seven dollars unspent

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jay: outreach, which we would have to go back to outreach to have them vote to pick up part of the Tab has six thousand nine hundred and one dollars yet unspent.

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jay: There's also approximately four thousand five hundred dollars in Npg. And community improvement

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jay: programs that would cover this entire amount if we swept that money at the Board level.

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jay: So the question becomes,

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jay: You know, number one.

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jay: Do we want to do a A. A printed voter guide? If people feel It's that important?

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jay: Okay, uh, And that could be the additional. Remember, I think, last time you guys did it as a web print not a eleven by seventeen folded glossy. Is that correct? Those both? No, we did it. We did it as a newspaper,

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jay: and that is a and it was on the website

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jay: sounds. Well, that's what it was. It was a newspaper, So newsprint is a lot cheaper than going to a printer

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jay: having them print it.

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jay: So that's number one. So if you wanted to do, instead of a second postcard mailer, a newspaper again, and mailer, you could probably save some money there,

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jay: and if that appeases everybody. Those who think postcards are a waste. Those who think when you know that a voter guide is critically important, you could nail the two together and do a four page full down web print, tab size newspaper

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jay: that talks about who you are, what you do, how you do it. And here's everybody who is crazy enough to want to do it for the next few years.

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jay: Pick them.

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jim murez: Say, J. Does that include the postal of that? I mean that you know isn't the postal of doing the newspaper-sized uh uh distribution a lot more expensive. You you followed by walking man.

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jay: You. You can do it by walking man, or you can do it by post office, but it is a little more money. But remember, the web print is a lot less than a regular print. I used to do a web print in West La

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jay: and Steve Hadlin, from the Culver paper,

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jay: had his guy at the China press do it, and it was really cheap.

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jay: But anyway, that's not my that's not my job. I'm just what i'm trying to do is get some consensus here. Okay, because it seems like

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jay: we have two stumbling blocks. Right now. One is one postcard.

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jay: The people don't feel It's going to be effective versus

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jay: voter guide that some people think is going to be very effective.

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jay: Okay, uh, could trade the monies. And the other thing is, how do we allocate the additional forty-four up to forty-four hundred and seventy dollars more, and that's how I would

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jay: uh put it through if that's what you guys wanted to do

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jay: is to allocate up to,

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jay: you know, nineteen thousand two hundred plus two hundred and seventy, nineteen thousand four hundred and seventy dollars, you know, for this entire program, and if the board approves it.

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jay: Then you know some of the people on here who are who are criticizing and saying this doesn't work,

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jay: get on the committee

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jay: and work with

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jay: whoever ends up Being a committee and Jim, the Board needs to form a committee. He can't just say i'm bringing a committee together. That's not the bylaws. Okay, So somebody needs to put a committee together

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jay: to make this work

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jay: so,

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jay: and that's that's for tomorrow night's fight. Tonight's fight is all about the money. So my question to everybody,

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jay: you know, one by one,

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jay: is

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jay: is anyone interested

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jay: in suggesting to the Board that they amend the budget

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jay: to add more money into this to give a whole package, bearing in mind that when I took over as treasurer, you guys had twenty-eight thousand dollars sitting around with two months to spending.

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jay: So you know where that's going to end up this year, I don't know,

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jay: you know which is more important. Given away money to a couple of community projects,

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jay: or having really great elections and great visibility and raising awareness, which, by the way, if everybody reads Charter section nine hundred through nine whatever. That is, only our job

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jay: is to bridge the gap between the city and the community.

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jay: So on that note i'm going to take more comments. Sima was first. Jim is second.

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jay: Go ahead, Sima.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Um! I just had a question the way that the motion is written. We have to vote on the totality of the motion right? So right now we're approving the nineteen thousand two hundred dollar motion right? So that's the motion on the table

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jay: we're we're voting for the extra forty-two hundred dollars. We're not voting for anything yet, you know. At this point we have we have a discussion item going on. Everybody at this table can say no. I don't want to spend four thousand more dollars on elections. It's a waste of money.

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jay: Okay, and everybody can make that decision and send it to the board.

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jay: You know

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jay: how much money do we have? You said? Eight thousand seven hundred in the general fund. General Fund has eighty seven ninety-seven left

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jay: outreach has sixty, nine and one left.

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jay: The combination of Npg. And Cip is four thousand five hundred. Dollars.

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Sima Kostovetsky: Okay, Thank you for clarifying.

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jay: Okay, next, Jim.

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jim murez: Um, I guess my question, you know, if we had the money to do the newspaper Um, I guess that is a a a an interesting thing to think about. I think that the other thing is that the the the postcards that I've been mentioned, that uh

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jim murez: we had printed where all of the candidates were listed. I wonder if that could be somehow rolled into the the newspaper, so we wouldn't have to print two separate things. And and uh, I wonder if if this also can't be considered

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jim murez: Um, if we were to do the newspaper um as part of an outreach effort. Um! That's an outreach effort coming as part of the election, but it would be a newspaper, and I know the Bnc. Used to always publish um a quarterly newspaper,

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jim murez: and and I also heard that there was a comment made about the the candidate for him, and I guess i'm wondering if that can't be considered as part of a town hall. Um! And since we're still doing zooms, the cost would be very low. But um!

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jim murez: If there was expenses there again, this seems to me like. That's an outreach effort to the community to get involved.

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jim murez: That's those are my comments. I I i'm willing. I'm willing to say we need to increase the funds. I don't really know where we need to take them from. The eight thousand seven hundred is definitely not earmarked. Then that's probably not a bad place to take it from, which is the general fund. I don't like the idea of taking it from the Npgs or the Cips, because I think there are people in the community. They're still looking forward to touching those. And again, I don't know how much of this can be considered as outreach efforts,

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jim murez: because I don't know that we have have an outreach plan of what they plan to spend funds on um, and so it's very hard to know um how those funds are going to be used in the next six months.

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jay: Okay, thank you, Helen.

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Helen Fallon: I think Jim covered a few things I was going to cover. I. We don't have an outreach plan for the next six months. So I say, Hey, some of that money can be allocated to the election.

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Helen Fallon: I would not touch the Uh community improvement grants or the the Uh Npgs,

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Helen Fallon: Because, frankly, I think, as we, if we see that there's money left in the general fund or in outreach that can be moved over there too. Um outreach only has a couple of more months left, and the elections are outreach. This is the whole point and nailing things

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01:16:31.490 --> 01:16:48.500
Helen Fallon: ensures that no one can say, Only people who are homeowners get these uh mailings because none of this stuff, if it's a walking man ever makes it into a apartment building, so that whole is left out because they just jump it on the front step, and it never makes it anywhere.

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Helen Fallon: So I think we have an obligation to at least find outreach to every stakeholder that we can outreach to. So I think there should be

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Helen Fallon: the maili mailer. I you know. I jay your idea about the newspaper, I think great, and maybe that would keep down the cost. We can, you know, and I think the cost of printing that

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01:17:09.810 --> 01:17:18.619
Helen Fallon: the postcards, you know, maybe with some effort, can be uh also reduced. But I would move that we uh take some money out of outreach, and uh,

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01:17:18.870 --> 01:17:30.110
jay: so thank you before I let seem to speak, and she's chair of outreach. The one thing I will say is,

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01:17:30.720 --> 01:17:33.880
jay: we can always vote to

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jay: increase the budget.

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jay: Um, where that money, you know,

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jay: outreach may have their own plans. It is outreach is allocated money as voted by the board.

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01:17:45.680 --> 01:17:56.399
jay: So before we start thinking about just taking their money, I think there has to be an outreach meeting, and they have to look at what it is that we're attempting to do.

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01:17:56.430 --> 01:18:16.100
jay: Uh, and if there is an if there is a possibility of incorporating, you know the right information in, let's say, a tabbed uh web print. You know newspaper that promotes who the neighborhood counsel is who the committees are when they meet what they do

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jay: uh that type of thing.

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jay: Then I could. I could see a reason to have outreach, have part of you know what goes on, but I think that's an outreach issue where the board has complete control is to start out by saying: If they want to add four hundred and seventy dollars, they can take it from the general money,

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01:18:38.130 --> 01:18:40.199
jay: and then it goes from there.

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Helen Fallon: Uh, J. Could you clarify that for me because it's really the board that decides how they want to spend their money

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Helen Fallon: out. Outreach committee. Those are vague allocations they make for the administrative budget. It's not. I. You know. We need to stop with acting like the money, belongs to a particular committee. It doesn't It belongs to the board to decide where it goes, and that and that's true, Helen. But you have to have respect for the volunteers who come on to a committee

546
01:19:06.800 --> 01:19:20.090
jay: expecting to try and do things and not pull the rug out just from under them.

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01:19:20.260 --> 01:19:21.529
jay: We're not doing it.

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01:19:21.550 --> 01:19:24.260
jay: We're not doing it. Okay, Thank you.

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01:19:24.880 --> 01:19:26.000
jay: So

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jay: So I think the real questions Here, guys, is number one.

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jay: I'll tell you my feeling. My feeling is simple. I would like to see

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jay: the first postcard announcing, you know. Let's get candidates, blah blah blah! With information about where the elections could be what the you know. A. Qr. Code. It shows a great page on our website.

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jay: Okay, if people can go to. And at the same time I would like to see us price out the second mailing being or walking man being a web print paper that has all the candidates information that people can take with them to the polls. That's my Dr.

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01:20:09.520 --> 01:20:10.719
Okay,

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01:20:10.850 --> 01:20:14.200
jay: As far as the additional money I am,

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jay: I believe elections are way more important and given money to a school church synagogue, Temple. Uh: I've never been a believer in Mpgs. I've never been a believer of Cips, because it's not in the charter. It's not our job.

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jay: Okay, we're not. We're not a the nonprofit center for giving away money and grants.

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jay: So I personally believe the money can come from both of them for this year, and make sure we have great elections, have more candidates, and you could ever think of and get more voters than you can ever think of.

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jay: But in the meantime the Board can at its discretion without

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01:20:55.250 --> 01:21:08.419
jay: stepping on toes and and making volunteers feel slighted. They can take it from the general fund. Okay. Vote to move money from the general fund and then

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jay: down the line. You can start to figure out where money is not being spent, and you can move it. Remember, you know you made a good point to a degree,

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01:21:17.340 --> 01:21:19.469
jay: which is that

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jay: the money is allocated for the General Budget, and that money can be changed at every board meeting with proper notice.

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jay: So it's not a big deal. Guys you got you got

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jay: fifteen and sixty-nine and eighty-seven and forty-five. There's money there. Okay, let's have great elections and let's bring both sides together. I hate the postcard. I love the postcard I love the web print. I hate the web print. I hate this. I don't.

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jay: You know everybody give a little. So up everyone. If everyone goes home. Pest then we had a great compromise, and hopefully we'll allow Christopher and thank you, Christopher, for at least taking on this thankless job

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01:22:05.630 --> 01:22:06.719
jay: to get

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jay: become the the Neighborhood Council pinata for elections this year.

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jay: Okay,

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jay: So

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jay: that's my feeling. I mean, I would I would move to to do this,

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jay: you know, add the extra money. Let the board figure out, let outreach me, and figure out if part of this can come from outreach or not, and the board can take it from. If any one of the other three categories, and if outreach comes in and says, here's our plan for the year my money spent.

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jay: Then the Board has to figure out. Do we do it through the other three venues or not?

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jay: But we can make this motion, you know, with an up to nineteen thousand four hundred and seventy dollars. Okay, pending uh additional funding. That would be my suggestion. So, Sima Ivan, Jim and vote.

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jay: Sima,

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jay: you're out, Ivan.

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jay: She was muted.

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Sima Kostovetsky: I just wanted to ask a question that, going back to my last question, the original motion, right before tonight's agenda was for the fifteen thousand dollars approval.

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Sima Kostovetsky: So

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Sima Kostovetsky: I know that's not the motion on the table. Like to your point. J. Why can we not approve the first fifteen thousand right? Based on this election plan and then decide on the money later. I love how we always. We can't yield up. We're spending three hundred dollars on bottles of water, but all of a sudden twenty thousand dollars is no big deal, and I get that. Elections are huge,

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Sima Kostovetsky: but we've never

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Sima Kostovetsky: it. It makes me a little nervous, and I do also have to agree. I, as important as they are. Four thousand five hundred for Mpgs. That's important for our community, especially with going out

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Sima Kostovetsky: to promote that.

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Sima Kostovetsky: It's gonna be. It's gonna anyway. I That's not my job. Where where the money comes out from. I just want to point out that

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Sima Kostovetsky: candidate forums are important, and they were never a part of outreach. I worked with the election chair, and with the election committee to set all this up. We work in tandem, hand in hand.

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Sima Kostovetsky: So that's how this all usually works, and that's why we've had the success that we've had, because we all work together, and we don't keep biting at each other and pointing fingers,

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jay: and my hope is this year everyone will continue to work together as well. When this is all done.

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jay: So

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jay: having said that,

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jay: let's go to a vote. Excuse me. I have my hand up because i'm i'm in the middle of a dinner, but I popped out for the We have a fairly quick budget meeting, but if we could wrap it up soon, that'd be great.

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Ivan: Okay. Just a couple of corrections here. Um is correct

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Ivan: with what she said. The candidate Forum was an election committee

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Ivan: uh event, but what we did is because over the years. The outreach chairs were falling short On getting town halls. We created it as a town hall, so they would get the credit for it under the bylaws, but it was paid for and run by the election committee with help from outreach.

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Ivan: Um,

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Ivan: the postcard gym that I was talking about. It's just a small postcard. It costs us about three hundred dollars to make, and we just gave it to the candidate the gift for coming to the candidate orientation. You can't put it into the into the Voter guide because it becomes conflict of interest. We can't be promoting candidates in the Voter Guide.

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Ivan: Um

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Ivan: uh the last thing. It was a comment that I want to make sure we're all clear about this.

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Ivan: Our time is of of this term is not almost up. We are only five months in the term goes until July.

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Ivan: The new boards are going to be sworn in in July, regardless of when their election is

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01:26:33.650 --> 01:26:43.830
Ivan: so there's still going to be months where this is basically be a latent duck board. But you're going to need money to spend, especially if they relax

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Ivan: the thing about no public meetings which hopefully they're gonna do. We're gonna have to start paying the school outreach is going to need other money to do things. So this is not like this: Two months left. We have all this money left. We still have seven months to spend the money.

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Ivan: Okay, that's it.

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jim murez: All right, Jim, last bite. So. Um! I was just going to say uh along the lines of similar to what Sima said. Um, is it necessary for us to approve this entire thing.

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jim murez: Um! It seems to me that we need to approve the two hundred and seventy dollars, so we can tell the city clerk that will participate in her event. Uh, you know, in the in the election day uh process, and it and it seems to me that we want to be able to get out uh

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jim murez: a postcard or something right away, that it starts to recruit

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jim murez: the the candidates, and other than that, the rest of the stuff,

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jim murez: I mean, unless I'm misreading the timing of it can probably wait a month, and we can form a committee and and do the other things that need to be done, but it's up to you. I I i'm good with it either way. Take the money from wherever you want, and and uh,

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jay: I would think to support it. So, Jim, just I I believe that we have candidates sign ups beginning in what a week and a half about two weeks. So we don't have time to say we're not going to put money into social media. We're not going to put money into a postcard to get out.

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jay: You know we're not The bulk of what we need to do, for the first shot is got to be done within the next two weeks. Okay. So I i'm a firm believer. You know we're either committed to have great elections, or we're not;

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jay: and if we try to hold off another month with more back and forth, and more controversy, and then go into Budget Committee going to addcom, Go into the board. I nause them. We're never going to have elections.

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jay: So i'm. I'm a firm believer

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jay: that nineteen thousand four hundred and seventy dollars should be allocated.

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01:28:54.220 --> 01:29:05.240
jay: Okay, based on this budget. And I would put in the caveat that if Chris wants to check on a web print for a bigger

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01:29:05.270 --> 01:29:14.949
jay: Uh candidate guide, I can guide him to the publisher of the Cova paper, who did it for me at China Press and get a price.

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01:29:14.980 --> 01:29:17.420
jay: Okay, that might help

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jay: um.

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jay: But I think we got to do it right. I believe it should be two male, as I believe there should be a a candidate guide.

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jay: I don't believe we should just go in and rob the outreach committee of any opportunity for other outreach, but I also believe that maybe some of this can be covered in outreach like through the newspaper, and putting out good information about the Neighborhood Council. Make it a dual document,

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jay: you know, and try and do that, you know. Let let's say let's say for argument's sake. It's you know, fifteen hundred dollars to print well uh the web print or two thousand dollars to print the web print and then to distribute it. You know it's gonna be another

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jay: five thousand dollars for seven thousand dollars. So if it was split between elections and outreach, or between elections and the the general fund, at least we get it done, and we're not procrastinating anymore, and we give Christopher the opportunity

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jay: to actually be successful and bridge the gap between. I don't want this. I don't want that everybody gets a little,

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jay: so I would. I would propose it. The that this be amended to a total of nineteen, four hundred and seventy, with Christopher looking into

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jay: a web print voter, guide

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jay: as well.

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jim murez: So, Jay, would you like me to put that?

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jim murez: That's my amendment to this? So should I type that into here with the total is

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jay: Yes, I would. That's my if you get a second. Yes, Yeah, i'll, I'll I'll second your

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jay: you know, and and the board,

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jim murez: and did that include the two hundred and seventy for the Yes, so i'll put that in there as a line. Item also,

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jay: and then you know, the Board can figure out. You know we can work with Sima and our committee. We can work with the board on you know i'm happy as budget, chair, and treasurer, to work with everybody on where the money could come from, so it doesn't disrupt,

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jay: or take away from any plans any committee might have, or the community for money, you know everybody gets a little haircut, and we keep moving.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jay: that's my suggestion. So that's my that is my amendment to this substitute motion.

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Daffodil: You have a you have a

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jay: that that we allocate the total of nineteen thousand five hundred dollars uh to add in the uh

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jay: potential of a web print

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jay: uh voter guide,

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jay: and that we would work on uh Trent um out reallocating money in the budget to cover it.

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01:32:24.700 --> 01:32:28.409
Ivan: Okay. Um, hey, J. Point of order.

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Ivan: Part of this committee's duties to figure out where the money is coming from. We can't send it to the board without that.

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Ivan: So would you please lay out where you want the money to come from?

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01:32:40.770 --> 01:32:44.070
jay: Okay, Well, for now let's take it from the general money,

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01:32:44.360 --> 01:32:54.719
jay: and we can always reallocate later that that's fine. I just want you to say we're I'm Good. I'm good. So you were going to take four thousand five hundred dollars

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jay: from the general fund

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jay: and move it to elections.

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01:33:16.430 --> 01:33:25.740
jay: Okay, I'm just waiting for somebody. I'll I'll i'm more than I can do it, Jim already. Second it.

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jay: Then. Now it's been documented

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jay: Any attendees want to weigh in on that

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jay: uh Christopher. Yes,

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Christopher Lee: um, i'm just putting this out there. If you do have information on cost effective vendors for our printing solutions. Please point me to them, or to the quotes that you have from them, so that we can really get this dialed in.

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Christopher Lee: You got it, and then also thank you for calling out the two seventy for the open Rec center. I'll make sure that's um planned for.

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jay: Awesome. Thank you. I have no other attendee hands. It's closed panelists, Anybody

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01:34:19.970 --> 01:34:22.130
jay: seeing none. We'll go to a vote,

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jay: Jim, ready for the vote.

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jim murez: Yeah, give me one half of one second.

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jay: Okay, go ahead,

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jay: Jim. Yes,

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jay: Daffodil.

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Daffodil: Yes,

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jay: Sima:

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Sima Kostovetsky: Yeah.

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jay: Ivan

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jay: Helen.

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jay: All right. It's It's unanimous consent. Thank you. Uh. That's your motion, and that makes item number I believe. Eight A moot point.

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Oh, Christopher, thank you so much for all your work. I'm: going to go.

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jay: Okay, Thank you, Daffodil, for showing up Ivan. Yes,

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Ivan: Um, i'm going to make a motion that we ask the board to reallocate

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Ivan: What? What's the difference. What What was it? Nineteen? What forty five hundred dollar difference?

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Ivan: No, that sounds. What is it? Over five that fifteen thousand

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Ivan: that money from the general fund into the election line. Item, it's in the agenda. He just typed that in Ivan. No, we the motion was a little different. You have to formally move the money,

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jay: or you're going to run to trouble with the city clerk, I mean. So if you, if you want to go down all formalities, we can't do that tomorrow night.

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jay: Okay, it'll have to be at the next meeting.

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jay: I'm: I'm: i'm treasurer. I'm not concerned. Okay, not concern. Jim makes It note. It goes on next month uh committee meeting uh a general Board meeting

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jay: to do a reallocation of funds. It's not on the agenda for tomorrow night. It's a Brown act violation. We can't do it. It's a money move, and it has to have been posted, and it's not

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jay: so it can't happen tomorrow night. This can be passed, and we can move the money from the general fund to elections, and if the board in a month says no, then this gets cut back. That's how it works.

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jay: Okay, Anybody else. There are no other items on the agenda, the motion to adjourn,

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jim murez: I'll second that.

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jay: Okay, folks, we're gone. Thank you.

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Sima Kostovetsky: You

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Ivan: Alright, I'm Jim.

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Ivan: Yes, you can still hear me. Yeah, Um. My suggestion to you

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Ivan: is that you get this typed up and get it out to the board tonight.

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Ivan: You can't just bring a new motion on them like this.

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jim murez: But I will talk to Jay uh offline after this is over. Okay, bye, bye, you you! You can give me a call, Jim. Thank you. I don't want to call me. Give me a call. I'm gonna have. I'm gonna have a bite to you with my family first, and then i'll call you.