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james murez: So Michelle I made uh you, host, and and just for safety sake I made uh,

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james murez: very co-host I don't know if that's a dangerous thing to do or not gives him control over the microphone.

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james murez: Okay, God Sorry about starting late. We tried to get it done as quick as possible. Um the city uh uh,

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james murez: what can I say? The city screwed us up when they uh Oh, I see manushi's there, but I can't promote her. The city. The city said we could run two meetings simultaneously. They lied.

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james murez: Um. So Vicki sent me a screenshot of what she had tried to do, and it said that it wouldn't let her do it. So

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james murez: what can I say?

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james murez: I mean you know it up in part. It has to do with Thanksgiving, and you know all the other stuff. But

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james murez: what can I say?

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james murez: I see Cj. Is in the audience. Is she part of your audience, or part of your committee

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james murez: for your other members. Maybe just text them

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Michael Jensen: we have. Oh, no, we don't have a quorum. Um,

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. But we'll have a

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james murez: There's two other people coming.

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james murez: I see Vicki made it, too. She's not on the committee, is she? No,

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james murez: but I do want to thank Vicki publicly for trying to start the meeting. Um, it wasn't her fault,

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james murez: like I said

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james murez: the

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james murez: done people didn't do what they said they were going to do and allow us to have two meetings simultaneously.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Um. Well, we just need one

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Michael Jensen: more person to join.

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Michael Jensen: All right. We got Jeff.

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Jeff Martin: Hey? How are you?

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Michael Jensen: Not too bad? I don't.

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Jeff Martin: Yeah, it all figured out,

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Michael Jensen: Okay? Well, we have a quorum. So i'm going to start um

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Michael Jensen: call to order uh roll Call Corinne Not here yet. Um,

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Michael Jensen: Andrew.

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Michael Jensen: See you uh Lauren. Not here yet, Matt. Not here yet to my nurse Shallow.

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Michael Jensen: Um, Chris is not going to make it tonight, and I am here, and Jeff. Hello! You are there?

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Michael Jensen: Um up. And here's Karen and

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Andrew Mika: my panelists

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Michael Jensen: letting them in. Now,

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Michael Jensen: Hi, Karen, are you here?

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Michael Jensen: I am here? Okay, great. Um. So let me throw the minutes up here

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Michael Jensen: and or the agenda. Rather.

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Michael Jensen: Can everyone see the agenda?

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Great Um. First item of business approval of minutes from October sixth. Oh, it's been a while, although that was also because our last meeting we didn't have a quorum um. But can I get a motion in a second

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lauren siegel: i'll make a motion.

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Michael Jensen: Um, and that was Lauren.

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Michael Jensen: all right. Um. Anyone object?

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: No,

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corinne Baginski: no,

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Michael Jensen: or abstain um if you Weren't. There.

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Jeff Martin: I I think I missed that one. So I abstain.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, So that's one, two, three, four, five, six,

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Declaration of conflicts of interest or ex parte communications

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Michael Jensen: we don't have any cases on, but I suppose um there are. It could be x part day. Con um communications. Anyone have anything to report.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Nope.

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Michael Jensen: Um. Okay, uh general. Public comments.

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Michael Jensen: Um for items, not on the agenda. Let me go to the audience.

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Michael Jensen: We only have Cj.

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Michael Jensen: Or I guess, Jim, do either of you have a comments. Please raise your hand.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Seeing no hands,

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Michael Jensen: we are moving on to the Cnc. Report.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: We have six new cases. I don't know if anyone wants to volunteer for them.

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Michael Jensen: Um! They should. By the most. They look like de minimis stuff, so it should be just a matter of going through plans and confirming that kind of stuff. Um,

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Michael Jensen: But yeah, do I have any volunteers?

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corinne Baginski: Sure,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: i'll be there, too.

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Barry: I'll take one, too.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So i'm going to. Sorry. Matt just joined. So i'm going to add him

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Michael Jensen: to the there we go.

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Michael Jensen: Um. So in no particular order. Here,

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Michael Jensen: Korean.

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Michael Jensen: Very

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Michael Jensen: um. I'll take the last one that that looks interesting.

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Jeff Martin: Ozone

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Michael Jensen: those on. Okay.

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lauren siegel: I'll take one.

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Michael Jensen: I'll take one, too.

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Michael Jensen: Uh you already took one. I'm looking at

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Michael Jensen: uh, Matt or Andrew.

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Matthew Royce: Yeah, i'll take one whatever. Okay, Thanks.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: All right. So let's get to the good stuff, then. Uh item number eight. So last time I I don't know who was not here. But we were talking about the Rose corridor. Uh, i'm gonna pull up the

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lauren siegel: The plan for that.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, yeah, I can do that with the I mean about to switch it from the agenda, anyway. But yes, I can.

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lauren siegel: Is that better?

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So i'm going to switch it right now because we're going to talk about the draft concepts.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: And so how do I switch

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Michael Jensen: new share.

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Michael Jensen: All right. Everybody see

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lauren siegel: Now the change areas.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So we were going to come on.

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lauren siegel: Yeah, it's really slow to to um fill.

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Michael Jensen: There's a page that's on rows.

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lauren siegel: Yeah, the very first page. There it is.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Yeah, I guess we will.

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lauren siegel: But it doesn't really say much. It's just saying, There's residential. And then there's commercial along Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. So we brainstormed some ideas.

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Michael Jensen: Um, and

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Michael Jensen: sorry.

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Michael Jensen: No problem. Um. Okay. So

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Michael Jensen: now back to I need to like. Do a split screen here. Um!

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lauren siegel: Where do you want one of us to read it?

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Michael Jensen: Well, i'm just gonna pull up the

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Michael Jensen: so. We had come up with these sort of conceptual ideas that I put into this the motion.

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Michael Jensen: And so let me just get this in one page here.

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Michael Jensen: Um!

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Michael Jensen: Can everyone see that

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Michael Jensen: now it's basically on one screen, or every can everyone read it.

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Michael Jensen: So the idea was to, instead of having this sort of disjointed corridor uh extend the mixed use from Lincoln to Main Street,

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Michael Jensen: the height limit. Oh, and this is also sorry this is wrong. So seventy five feet is the

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Michael Jensen: is the height from the sea level, not from the grade. Um forty-five feet. Um is the

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Michael Jensen: height of the latest uh project on rose seven hundred and twenty,

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Michael Jensen: and so I I mean I I sort of arbitrarily picked it, based on just what the last thing that was that was um

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Michael Jensen: permitted. Um, but we can talk about whether or not that number should change um.

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Michael Jensen: So reducing also the setback requirement was another thing that came out of the our brainstorming

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Michael Jensen: session last time, and then increasing the density from R three to r five

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: it will allow for more units to be built.

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Jeff Martin: Does Does Rose have a front yard set back. I thought it's no set back on the front because it's seat it's all commercial.

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Jeff Martin: So for the Oh, that's a good point. If they're changing it to commercial. Yeah, the residential, if it's mixed you. If it's mixed, use right. The commercial component.

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Jeff Martin: I thought I thought front front yard has no setback requirement in a C two.

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Michael Jensen: That's correct, so that this one can maybe get deleted, that

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Jeff Martin: I think that's correct or or just state,

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Jeff Martin: because you want to reduce it. So maybe it's Take A.

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Michael Jensen: So. The does anyone that maybe you remember this, the step back requirement on the Frank building, or whatever it's called. Now the what was the gary now? The Frank?

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Michael Jensen: or was that also before your time?

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james murez: Um. Which which building this is?

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, What was your question?

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Michael Jensen: So the the Gary you know the mixed use building that's between Fifth and Sixth

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: twenty-five and six on Rose Avenue on Rose.

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Michael Jensen: You know the big brick mix mixed use building.

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Andrew Mika: Yeah, Yeah, that's not a geary building.

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james murez: Nobody. It was called. It was called the Okay. Okay. Okay. First, the set back there is twenty-five feet, but they did that because of the size of a lot, and that was one of the special conditions. Um They also got increased height and increased density.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So in exchange they pushed it back. Okay, there was. There was a lot. There was a lot of back and forth on that project that wasn't just a hands down kind of a thing.

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james murez: In other words, it wasn't there there. There was no particular reason other than they were extending what they were doing, and this was one of the trade offs that the community said, Hey, we want a wider set that we want a a wider streets presence there, and they agree,

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james murez: and isn't that nice that why it's set back,

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Michael Jensen: but they also they also got more height in exchange. So.

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Michael Jensen: Um just and then we'll um See, it is the only one here, so I will. Cj: go ahead.

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CJ Cole: Okay, I just.

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CJ Cole: I have to admit I haven't been to the last couple of meetings. Um, but I don't know why and what there is, what the main reason is for wanting to make everything being able to build more

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CJ Cole: every time we have a project of

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CJ Cole: two that I remember are the ones that V. She has done. Everybody across the board is against building this fade,

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CJ Cole: and I don't know why we, as a committee, or whatever we call ourselves, you know, are proposing this much increase in square footage that can be built.

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CJ Cole: Uh, it just makes no sense to me. We are a small community, a small town we don't have to be like a big city, you know. Um, but i'm just very much against

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CJ Cole: uh, you know, against just making it

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CJ Cole: the ability for more contractors and builders to build bigger, and it'd be one thing if they built bigger and things got half. They were half as big or twice as big and half the price, but they're twice as big and twice the price, you know. It just makes no sense,

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CJ Cole: not just very much against increasing any of these. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Thank you. Cj:

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Michael Jensen: I'm. Going to close public comment,

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Michael Jensen: and I will lower your hand to um.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, i'm sorry,

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Michael Jensen: Jim,

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Michael Jensen: you're on the uh.

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james murez: Can you hear me?

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james murez: Okay, great. No, I just wanted to say that that I think it's great that you guys are doing this. You're taking a look at this with such detail. Um! My only comment about the planning issues are, If there's a way of tying in the additional height

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james murez: or density to um, specifying a particular type of project that

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james murez: fit the desire result, and I think the desired result is ground for commercial residential above, and that is mixed use so as long as whatever motion was being made was to say something along the lines of We agree with the additional

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james murez: density and height and everything else, so long as, and then also consider tying it back to a reduction in parking for the commercial, provided that the city and I think this is something that Lupac needs to work on with the parking and transportation Committee, provided that the city come up with the lack of parking for commercial,

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james murez: because this is a code that they created um, and and it's not a solution that they have yet provided. So I don't know if there's a way of doing that. But but if you think about it in your in your motion. I think that those two things would be real good to do. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks, Jim.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So

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Michael Jensen: All right. Committee discussion.

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Matthew Royce: Um, yeah. I think this is great. I think

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Matthew Royce: Jim makes a good point, but I think perhaps that's a different

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Matthew Royce: different um meeting and motion that covers commercial for all of us.

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Matthew Royce: And uh, yeah,

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Matthew Royce: which he fails to grasp. Is that the State is coming down on us with housing requirements.

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Matthew Royce: if we don't recommend something at a local level, the state's going to impose something on it, or the or some corrupt City Hall Council person is going to.

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Matthew Royce: I think we have to ask something on our own.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I think I mean to sort of a so one of the things, and actually

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Michael Jensen: in my mind Jim's and Cj's comma can sort of be to each other.

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Michael Jensen: One of the things that would reduce the size of these projects is the parking requirement.

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Michael Jensen: So

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Michael Jensen: if it has to

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Michael Jensen: for parking

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Michael Jensen: requirements for both, I I think both the residential and

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Michael Jensen: and the commercial. Because, um, you know, if you build a one bedroom apartment, why are we putting two spaces for that? It just doesn't make any sense. Um.

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Michael Jensen: And so if we wanted to get them smaller, I mean, we could reduce parking, or we we could recommend that the park environment to be reduced, and then we end up with smaller builds that accommodate just as many people.

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Michael Jensen: So that's a way to

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Michael Jensen: um get around this. But but yeah, i'm in the States going to mandate that i'm going to get.

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Michael Jensen: But we're going to have some input, on on where it goes,

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Michael Jensen: and I think the idea is

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Michael Jensen: putting in density in in certain corridors we

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Michael Jensen: then can preserve some of the neighborhoods in there

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Michael Jensen: rather than a blanket

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Michael Jensen: uh across the entire

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Michael Jensen: Uh zip code, although I would say that this density that we're recommending was the density that existed forty years ago.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Hmm.

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Michael Jensen: Even less. Four years ago we'll just say to be safe. But so we're not doing something.

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Michael Jensen: Um, you know that's

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Michael Jensen: unheard of in this

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: and on the ground level we have a certain setback for the commercial. It might be interesting that upper levels for the residential that you have a bigger

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: um setbacks that way It does it. You can provide for the housing, but as well you can

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: um decreased the volume, even if you were on the street or something. And up there and then on the upper levels you can have a deck or a garden or and um the scale won't be so outrageous

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: as far as the hide is concerned, so the setbacks for the residential might be a good thing to have a bigger setback.

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Barry: Uh, I have a couple of

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, Go ahead.

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Barry: Um! I thought it was

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Michael Jensen: So do we want to come up with an amendment that somehow, as in uh setbacks to

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Michael Jensen: it's more visual association, too, and it's not so everything. Cut off straight up you go where you're. You're cut off from the street and community, and people walk in, and your neighbors, and whatever. So

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Michael Jensen: we make

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Michael Jensen: making the walls going going up that close. Then you're you're with it to thirty-five or or you know the existing height.

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Barry: That's a great idea. Um, because

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Mhm

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Matthew Royce: I see. I think what we want is um ground floor, open space that's used for dining or

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Matthew Royce: some other purpose. Right.

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Michael Jensen: So if you had either first or second floor open space,

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lauren siegel: to piece isn't it the residential piece with the balconies that you're really concerned about on top of the first floor.

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Matthew Royce: Well, I think I think Barry's right. We don't want to. We We don't want to introduce

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Matthew Royce: big residential setbacks on the front, because that limits the flexibility. How many of the density it can fit,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: They have to have a extra hide and not have the setbacks.

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Michael Jensen: well, Two things, I mean, we're trying to encourage

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Michael Jensen: you know what's going on at the I don't want to call it the Gary. But whatever. That building is called the brick Building, where they have

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Michael Jensen: you know just cuts off the private from public um. But what we're trying to do is encourage places, not,

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Michael Jensen: and the trade off. But i'm not doing that. Well, you can build,

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Michael Jensen: You could also renew. You want to have balconies

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Barry: Yes, I think it. I think it's important to allow flexibility

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Barry: I, you know I think it's a great thing to help out these. Um! But how how do we do that in such a way? That,

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Barry: Yeah. Well, I mean, I think nickel had. The basic has the basic thing that um, if you take away from a part of the building somewhere. Then you're allowed um a more high to get it back. So you're not penalized for doing cool things. Um,

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Michael Jensen: okay. So i'm thinking about this in the second recommendation, and revising it to increase the height limit from twenty-five to thirty-five feet

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james murez: I've been writing too many contracts this afternoon. Um, can I, Mikkel? Can I mention something to you that I think you're missing?

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Michael Jensen: Yeah,

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james murez: First of all, the the seven hundred and twenty project. They had to to increase their setback because of the uh, the building and the the the dot um requirement for for uh front yard setbacks at this point, so their project is not what it. What

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james murez: older buildings on Rose previously were. Um, If you look at the read projects, there's we're also set back this their sidewalk. There, I believe, is eight feet. It's it's not five feet anymore. Um! And then the other thing that you need to keep in mind is that in the land use plan at present.

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james murez: Um, there's a mandatory five-foot setback from the required setback of commercial to do residential

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james murez: The way that they, the way the code currently reads you have to file for a variance to have the second floor at the same level as the ground floor Commercial. So it's just something to consider that, you know. Either you want to state it as a an absolute value,

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Michael Jensen: Maybe there was a reason. I put the

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Michael Jensen: You want it. You want it to be real clear that you're doing something. I'm just uh sorry. I'm i'm pulling up this. I'm pulling up the specific. I'm pulling up a specific plan for everyone, so we can look at. See what it says.

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Barry: In this pause I I've learned to say one more thing about Cj's coming back. Um,

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Michael Jensen: So I would also say, land use limitation. So

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Michael Jensen: Do we want to say anything about that either way?

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Michael Jensen: Um, I don't know. I don't necessarily disagree with it, though, if we're trying to. If one of the goals here is to create housing. I think

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Michael Jensen: But, Jim, i'm trying. Do you remember the section that's in it? Because i'm trying to find it

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: and on this. So the the the the of what?

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Michael Jensen: The specific plan that mentions that uh, eight foot or sorry that five foot, in addition to the eight foot. I don't remember where it is. I just know that a lot of people have been penalized by it,

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james murez: and and I know that when I built my project. I had to get a variance to allow me to be at the at the zero set back for my upper floors.

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james murez: It's in there somewhere.

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Barry: Oh, wait! Why, why do we need to know that? Why can't we just say

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Barry: establishing affirmative of what we want to do? Because we're I mean, this is, we're talking about this

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Matthew Royce: Yeah, I I agree with Barry. I think we can just say that the residential residential setback on the street can match

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Matthew Royce: commercial.

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Michael Jensen: Okay? So I can not strike that anymore.

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Michael Jensen: Um, can everybody see this? And um read it?

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Michael Jensen: Um, i'm just working on Number three right now.

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Michael Jensen: Should I read it?

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Barry: Uh, I don't see Why not?

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Michael Jensen: Lupeck recommends city planning department. Incorporate the following recommendations: Extend the mixed. Use. Corridor Rose Avenue to all of Rose Avenue, between Lincoln at Lincoln Boulevard and Main Street increase the height limit from twenty-five thirty

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Michael Jensen: and where either ground floor, or second floor.

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Michael Jensen: outdoor spaces with dining balcony and or gardens the height of forty-five feet

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Michael Jensen: which is one unit per one thousand two hundred square feet

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james murez: So can I just mention one other thing if you're saying that to to make the set back the same as commercial. You got to also define that you want that on the side yards, unless in the in the rear yard, unless you want to have something different

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james murez: doesn't that cover it when we just say setbacks.

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james murez: I I agree with no setbacks, but do just so. You you're clear on it

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Michael Jensen: All setback requirements.

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Michael Jensen: produce all setback requirements for residential use to be same as commercial use. Okay,

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Michael Jensen: Um. Does anybody know off the top of their head what the uh square foot of the unit per square foot is for our five, so I just stick it in the parentheses.

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lauren siegel: Can we get back to that later?

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Michael Jensen: Well, I mean, we're for for about that.

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Michael Jensen: I know I I have the chart somewhere.

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Michael Jensen: Here we go. Summary of zoning regulations.

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Michael Jensen: R: Five.

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Matthew Royce: It's two hundred

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Matthew Royce: Yeah, it's on page three of the zoning summary.

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Michael Jensen: Let's see. Do we want to go that? Oh, and actually our three is eight hundred. Where did I get one thousand two hundred from?

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Jeff Martin: Ah! Talking about the cities Municipal code? Are you talking about the specific plan density allowed.

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Jeff Martin: Yeah. So our four is four hundred in the city's code. I don't know if this specific plan

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Michael Jensen: Maybe that's the way to do this.

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Michael Jensen: Anything Cops:

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corinne Baginski: Yeah. Two hundred

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um

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Michael Jensen: so

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Michael Jensen: well. I'm just wondering whether in whether the changes not to rezone it, but to just redefine the zoning

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00:42:04.560 --> 00:42:06.790
Michael Jensen: and revert to the meanness to look out

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00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.270
Michael Jensen: because those lots are mostly

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00:42:11.970 --> 00:42:14.089
Michael Jensen: what three thousand two hundred.

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00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:25.219
Michael Jensen: Yeah, maybe maybe our density should just match the cities, the cities. I think that's right for all categories right?

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00:42:27.080 --> 00:42:28.189
Michael Jensen: Well,

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00:42:28.340 --> 00:42:30.370
Michael Jensen: certainly for r three.

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00:42:31.530 --> 00:42:38.510
Michael Jensen: But there might be other places where our five is more appropriate, like I mean i'm. I'm thinking like next we're going to be talking about, Link it.

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00:42:40.870 --> 00:42:45.540
Matthew Royce: I'm: Sure. Various.

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00:42:46.080 --> 00:42:47.969
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I'm. Just I, you know,

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Michael Jensen: to to have a motion that doesn't get um, or that gets, you know,

438
00:42:54.490 --> 00:43:02.090
Michael Jensen: uh a good majority at the Vmsd, like I don't want to appear like we're changing the face of

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00:43:02.750 --> 00:43:03.819
Michael Jensen: um.

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00:43:04.380 --> 00:43:10.439
Michael Jensen: You know we're making the Rose Avenue, South Beach,

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00:43:10.840 --> 00:43:22.239
Jeff Martin: definitely the the most dense C. Two, which is what Rose Corridor mostly is, and a lot of like commercial zone is is the same as R. Four, which is one unit per four hundred square feet.

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00:43:22.600 --> 00:43:36.839
Jeff Martin: Right? So commercial mixed use is usually a C zoning density process, I think, for is, is the right number that probably are for. Yeah, I agree

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00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:39.250
Michael Jensen: very in he's not here.

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00:43:39.510 --> 00:43:43.109
lauren siegel: He's on. He's a attendee right now. He must have fallen off.

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00:43:44.160 --> 00:43:45.889
Michael Jensen: I will promote them.

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00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.400
Michael Jensen: Are you there, Mary? Yeah,

447
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:08.909
Barry: yes, I'm here again.

448
00:44:09.090 --> 00:44:15.820
Barry: Um. The only thing about I I wanted to ask about when um reverting to the municipal code. Um.

449
00:44:16.150 --> 00:44:19.870
Barry: Most of the city's codes are written for lots.

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00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:21.789
Barry: They are much larger,

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00:44:22.020 --> 00:44:24.129
Barry: and um those in Venice,

452
00:44:24.610 --> 00:44:30.430
Barry: and I know that our um uh density. Allowance exceeds

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Barry: for residential lots, because the goal was

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Barry: to be able to

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Barry: family homes on substander lots and bus

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Barry: um,

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Barry: because uh a lame C code in general just would would basically um zone out family homes. Um in the entire coastal area. Um, I was sure it's something like that. It's going to happen with our commercial quarters to

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Michael Jensen: You're saying that because the lots are smaller here we won't. Be able to put the same number that's contemplated by the municipal code.

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00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:17.239
Michael Jensen: Well, what's weird is that? No, I actually think the better specific plan

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00:45:17.490 --> 00:45:28.519
Michael Jensen: reduces the units that would otherwise be allowed, because, like our three is eight hundred under the standard. You know what code Here it's one thousand two hundred.

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00:45:31.880 --> 00:45:34.470
Michael Jensen: So we're doing. Yeah, Venice is actually

462
00:45:34.760 --> 00:45:43.470
Michael Jensen: you know the thematic down, zoning not only in terms of the actual zones, but also in in what you can put in those zones.

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00:45:44.390 --> 00:45:46.429
Michael Jensen: They further restricted it here

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00:45:47.980 --> 00:45:54.120
Barry: right. I know that I know that. Uh we have. We have a more restrictive allowance

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00:45:55.080 --> 00:45:56.410
Barry: number of units.

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00:45:56.550 --> 00:45:57.970
Barry: But um!

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00:45:58.860 --> 00:46:03.650
Barry: I thought the per lot size. We actually had larger volumes

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00:46:03.980 --> 00:46:04.930
Barry: per lot.

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00:46:07.640 --> 00:46:19.190
Jeff Martin: Are you talking about the lot? So So this the the city zoning has a minimum lot with a fifty feet. Venice has a lot of twenty-five foot wide lots.

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00:46:19.550 --> 00:46:21.729
Jeff Martin: Maybe we should specify.

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00:46:22.030 --> 00:46:23.040
You know

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00:46:23.770 --> 00:46:31.400
Jeff Martin: we we allow some standard lot sizes, which is what venice already Kind of does. That's what you're saying. Right?

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00:46:31.740 --> 00:46:49.780
Michael Jensen: Yeah. I think if there's no if there's no recognition um of the of the of it, every lot of the substandard is done. This almost you mean the minimum lot with, because that's what That's the other thing. They tie on it, or the minimum lot size and with are not applicable here.

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00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:51.100
Barry: They're not on applicable.

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00:46:56.460 --> 00:46:58.599
Michael Jensen: Okay, Um.

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00:47:13.580 --> 00:47:15.399
Michael Jensen: What minimum

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Michael Jensen: size?

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00:47:20.370 --> 00:47:21.609
Michael Jensen: And with

479
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Michael Jensen: minimums

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Michael Jensen: you two

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Michael Jensen: some standard.

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00:47:29.190 --> 00:47:30.299
Michael Jensen: What?

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Michael Jensen: Okay? How's that?

484
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:39.239
Michael Jensen: Crease density from R: Three, one unit per one thousand two hundred square feet.

485
00:47:39.290 --> 00:47:41.589
Michael Jensen: Um to our four

486
00:47:42.230 --> 00:47:43.359
Michael Jensen: um

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00:47:43.910 --> 00:47:51.069
Michael Jensen: one unit for four hundred or a lot size, and with minimums due to substandard lots

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james murez: That's before Mikkel. Can you break that into two separate motions? One, that you want to change the zoning that is currently Rd: one point, five

489
00:48:02.050 --> 00:48:04.179
james murez: back to C two,

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00:48:04.410 --> 00:48:09.360
james murez: and then the second one to address the C. Two: an excuse issue.

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00:48:11.420 --> 00:48:12.620
Michael Jensen: Hmm.

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00:48:15.950 --> 00:48:21.480
Michael Jensen: So essentially bifurcate this just for the number four here.

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james murez: Well, the the issue that i'm having is that we have this There, there's two separate problems. One is that you, Don't, have the density and the mixed use in the commercial zones where you're reducing parking, you're doing additional height, and all these other things, but separately from that, you have two blocks

494
00:48:39.980 --> 00:48:57.339
james murez: that are still residentially zone, which was a down zoning process that we all know about. We talked about, and we want to make sure that those two blocks which were down zone can come back and and and realize the same potential that the rest of the corridor has. Otherwise you have a dead zone.

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00:48:58.620 --> 00:49:09.450
Michael Jensen: So it's really only the first one I mean. The The issue, though, is that I don't want that to get. I I don't necessarily want to strike that from it, and then have the other motion like

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Michael Jensen: ignored,

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james murez: because they're both so if I do it by by by for kating, you don't do that. You have them. Be two separate motions, so you you can still get your mixed use. Okay, even if the other one doesn't pass

498
00:49:23.820 --> 00:49:26.529
Michael Jensen: right. But that Okay, Um,

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That's that one.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, So

501
00:49:42.710 --> 00:49:44.439
Michael Jensen: we're gonna do

502
00:49:50.980 --> 00:49:53.609
Michael Jensen: It's now two separate motions.

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00:49:54.740 --> 00:49:56.109
Michael Jensen: Um!

504
00:50:01.720 --> 00:50:04.739
Michael Jensen: And then the parking issue. I didn't put in here, either.

505
00:50:06.590 --> 00:50:13.599
james murez: Well, you could do that as a separate motion, too parking requirements, but it would be good if it was part of the mixed use Project

506
00:50:15.230 --> 00:50:18.680
Michael Jensen: i'm. Putting it as number four to that second motion. Um,

507
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Michael Jensen: Do we have thoughts, guys on

508
00:50:21.540 --> 00:50:24.339
Michael Jensen: one one space per

509
00:50:24.380 --> 00:50:27.230
Michael Jensen: unit on residential or

510
00:50:28.650 --> 00:50:30.020
Michael Jensen: and uh

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Michael Jensen: waving commercial?

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Barry: Well, wait a minute. Um.

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Barry: It'll be nice if there was some incentive to do um, at least some sro units.

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00:50:44.590 --> 00:50:45.740
Barry: Um,

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Barry: and it will be prohibited so so like park micro units.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I would say the the Sr. The The affordable housing is already incentivized.

517
00:51:00.730 --> 00:51:02.310
Michael Jensen: Reduced parking

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00:51:03.540 --> 00:51:06.080
Michael Jensen: that's you can get that with,

519
00:51:06.100 --> 00:51:08.250
Michael Jensen: is it on or off menu? I don't know

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00:51:10.290 --> 00:51:15.080
Barry: I was just I'm: i'm at single room. Occupancy units

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00:51:16.910 --> 00:51:19.349
you and incentivize and micro units.

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Barry: Yeah,

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00:51:24.780 --> 00:51:26.479
Michael Jensen: with what?

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00:51:26.550 --> 00:51:29.709
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I don't think they should be part,

525
00:51:30.980 --> 00:51:33.690
Michael Jensen: and what constitutes a migrant in it?

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00:51:34.310 --> 00:51:36.230
Barry: Um, no bedroom

527
00:51:36.430 --> 00:51:39.049
Barry: um, and i'll do you?

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00:51:39.070 --> 00:51:40.680
Barry: I don't know if there is a

529
00:51:41.680 --> 00:51:49.360
corinne Baginski: they should also have a proximity to um um bus stop or something right,

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00:51:49.430 --> 00:51:55.319
lauren siegel: but but everything in that says proximity to a bus

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corinne Baginski: I can pay.

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lauren siegel: But, Barry, I appreciate what you're trying to accomplish. I think it's unrealistic that we don't even have one car per unit, because to me you know anything bigger than a one bedroom. You're gonna have multiple people staying and not in the neighborhood. And I I just think it's unrealistic that that all that density can be added without

533
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.640
lauren siegel: figuring out the the parking situation,

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00:52:24.990 --> 00:52:31.639
corinne Baginski: I think, in some part of La. It's linked to the proximity to the to the um

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Michael Jensen: I actually I haven't been to you. So I I think, just eliminated. There are no parking requirements. I would like to do this facet of it with Robert,

536
00:52:43.160 --> 00:52:49.889
Michael Jensen: because I I actually don't have a great handle on whether or not

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00:52:50.570 --> 00:52:51.779
Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: we do want to like. Remove all together like there's a bunch of different options I like out there like unbundled parking because you sort of let the market dictate whether or not people are going to use cars.

539
00:53:02.740 --> 00:53:08.130
Michael Jensen: Um, I think there's a bunch of different ways to to create a parking plan sort of like

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00:53:08.620 --> 00:53:12.210
lauren siegel: Venice wide on this stuff. But I don't think

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Michael Jensen: I think let's. We can always make another motion to tie in parking on these,

542
00:53:18.340 --> 00:53:23.359
Michael Jensen: but I think for now let's just get this one through,

543
00:53:23.780 --> 00:53:25.109
Michael Jensen: and

544
00:53:25.160 --> 00:53:29.600
Michael Jensen: we can come back and revisit parking on all of mixed use commercial

545
00:53:29.780 --> 00:53:33.089
Michael Jensen: and create sort of one consistent rule.

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00:53:33.250 --> 00:53:36.809
Michael Jensen: Uh, and we can do that with Roberts Committee. Um,

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00:53:37.220 --> 00:53:45.839
Barry: I think that sort of. I think that's a great idea, I think. Can I ask a question, though, on the subject before we close it?

548
00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:51.570
lauren siegel: Who said, No. Did we stop you

549
00:53:51.630 --> 00:53:59.299
Barry: in the middle of a question. No, I really do have a question, because my understanding is that some

550
00:53:59.910 --> 00:54:15.429
Barry: uh the State just eliminated parking requirements completely in um, or would have essentially eliminated parking requirements all together in Venice. Um! And my understanding was the only reason we're talking about parking performance is because of the coastal. So

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james murez: these are all good. I think that's a good question. Let me let me tell you, Barry, what my understanding is.

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00:54:24.940 --> 00:54:37.780
james murez: A ballot measure or a legislative item have different precedences. At the State level. The Coastal Commission was put into power under the voters boat.

553
00:54:37.810 --> 00:54:57.449
Barry: The legislative item that you're talking about does not trump the Coastal Commission, so the Coastal Commission will still be able to rule on whether or not parking user is not required at the beach. Okay. So so so, then my my impression was right. We're talking about parking because State law doesn't really apply

554
00:54:57.460 --> 00:55:00.810
Barry: in the coastal zone. Um, the Coastal Commission

555
00:55:01.080 --> 00:55:02.809
Barry: basically determines

556
00:55:03.380 --> 00:55:07.350
Barry: that's my understanding as well. Okay, cool. All right. Got it?

557
00:55:08.920 --> 00:55:13.310
Michael Jensen: Okay? I'm going to read this now. Two motions. Um:

558
00:55:14.160 --> 00:55:16.219
Michael Jensen: Okay. Um.

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Michael Jensen: Whereas Lupc has reviewed the planning farms, draft concepts from summer, two thousand and twenty-two, to be used in the forthcoming updates to the local coastal program and community plan, whereas existing zoning and uses on Rose Avenue, or commercial, or exclusively residential; whereas on

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Michael Jensen: May eleven, one thousand nine hundred and eighty-nine the La City Council approved ordinance number one hundred and six, four eight hundred and forty-four council file, eight, eight zero, seven, one nine initiated in one thousand nine hundred and ninety-eight, which down zone hundreds of parcels within Venice, including rezoning a number of commercially zone lots on Rose Avenue to residential,

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Michael Jensen: whereas Rose Avenue Main to Lincoln, has traditionally in a commercial corridor to serve surrounding neighborhood sort of the surrounding neighborhood. Um, whereas Venice needs additional housing which can be met with higher density. Residential housing on next use corridors which is incompatible with the existing height, limits, and setbacks on Rose Avenue.

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Michael Jensen: Therefore actually i'm going to delete that whereas and only put it on the second one. Um. Now, therefore, uh, Luke, I recommend the city finding department and corporate. The following recommendations extend the mixed use: corridor, Rose Avenue to all of Rose Avenue, between Lincoln Boulevard and Main Street. Can I get a maker and a second, please?

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00:56:29.370 --> 00:56:31.019
lauren siegel: You can sign me up

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Michael Jensen: a motion to, or that's a a maker.

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00:56:37.280 --> 00:56:38.950
Andrew Mika: Second again,

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Michael Jensen: Andrew:

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00:56:41.040 --> 00:56:41.919
Michael Jensen: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: and I will do a roll call. Vote on this Um!

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Michael Jensen: How do you vote?

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james murez: Hey? Wait, Wait! Wait before you take a vote. You got to take public comment on the motion. There's no one in the public, though. I'm sorry It's the way it works. Yeah, you're right. Okay,

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Michael Jensen: Public comments

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Michael Jensen: going once going twice.

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00:57:12.890 --> 00:57:14.990
Michael Jensen: Public comments is closed,

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Michael Jensen: all right. How do you vote?

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yes,

576
00:57:20.090 --> 00:57:22.330
Michael Jensen: yes, yes,

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00:57:23.310 --> 00:57:25.080
Michael Jensen: Karen

578
00:57:25.560 --> 00:57:28.949
Michael Jensen: Matthew Andrew.

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00:57:29.160 --> 00:57:30.270
Andrew Mika: Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Lauren,

581
00:57:33.710 --> 00:57:35.890
Michael Jensen: very yes.

582
00:57:36.520 --> 00:57:42.989
Michael Jensen: And me. That's What? What? Eight of us? Okay, Eight zero zero motion carries.

583
00:57:44.620 --> 00:57:49.060
Michael Jensen: Thank you. Um. Okay. So next one is

584
00:57:50.920 --> 00:57:52.140
Michael Jensen: um,

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Michael Jensen: i'm going to open public comments right now

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Michael Jensen: and going once going twice

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Michael Jensen: closed.

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Michael Jensen: Um, i'm going to not what read the all those, whereas is because I just read them. Um, but I will read The uh recommendations here increase the height limit from twenty-five to thirty feet, or twenty from twenty-five thirty feet to thirty-five feet, and we're either ground or four

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Michael Jensen: ground floor. Or second floor incorporates out of the space with dying in balcony and or gardens. The height of forty-five feet for mixed use Projects reduce all setback requirements for residential use to be the same as

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00:58:32.630 --> 00:58:34.080
Michael Jensen: commercial use.

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00:58:34.390 --> 00:58:40.269
Michael Jensen: Number three increase density from R, three, one unit for one thousand two hundred square feet, existing definitely permitted by

592
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:42.100
Michael Jensen: that specific plan

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00:58:42.340 --> 00:58:43.490
Michael Jensen: to

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00:58:43.620 --> 00:58:47.709
Michael Jensen: our four one unit for four hundred square feet and disregard lot size and

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Michael Jensen: with minimums due to substandard lots.

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00:58:52.040 --> 00:58:54.019
Michael Jensen: Can I have a

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00:58:54.110 --> 00:58:57.680
Michael Jensen: mover and a second, or a maker, and a second or

598
00:58:58.130 --> 00:59:02.359
Andrew Mika: the number one real quick again? I just want to read it.

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00:59:03.160 --> 00:59:04.319
Thank you.

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00:59:09.650 --> 00:59:11.910
Andrew Mika: Okay, cool, awesome. Thank you.

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00:59:13.650 --> 00:59:15.029
Michael Jensen: Maker.

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00:59:17.820 --> 00:59:18.819
Michael Jensen: Sorry,

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00:59:20.600 --> 00:59:25.520
Michael Jensen: Jim. Yes, Jim, where the good I I already did public comment.

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james murez: I just want to make sure that there is a definition, someplace for what is the standard lot? I'm not sure that there is.

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james murez: And you're claiming that Dennis has a substandard lot,

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00:59:38.500 --> 00:59:44.379
james murez: and if you ask me is my lot, substandard? I would say No, I I like my lot. It's not nothing wrong with my law.

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james murez: It's not personal, Jim, I know, but i'm taking personally that's what i'm saying So I guess. How. How big is your line? No, no, it's. It's one thousand eight hundred square feet. But it it. The The point is what I'm trying to make is if there is a definition for standard lot, then saying that Venice has substandard lots is okay.

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Michael Jensen: But if there is no definition, why don't, we just deliver, and they do to substandard lots and just leave it there, disregard. I was just gonna say i'm, i'm like i'm less concerned about the definition of standard versus substandard loss, because it's not a necessary term to the

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Michael Jensen: um,

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Michael Jensen: because we're I mean the actionable part is just regarding width of sizes, so

611
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Michael Jensen: going to take it but public comments. So

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Michael Jensen: I have a maker.

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Michael Jensen: Is that Karen? Thank you, Karen. Can I have a second,

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01:00:45.080 --> 01:00:48.969
Michael Jensen: please? I'll second very

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Michael Jensen: sorry. He won the race. Okay, um roll. Call vote

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Jeff Martin: Jeff. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Karen

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01:01:00.270 --> 01:01:02.290
Michael Jensen: Matt. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Andrew.

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Andrew Mika: Yes,

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lauren siegel: thank you, Lauren,

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Michael Jensen: all right, and I vote

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Michael Jensen: very sorry.

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01:01:18.240 --> 01:01:19.259
Michael Jensen: Very

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Barry: what?

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Michael Jensen: Oh, yeah, I voted. Yes, Sorry. Okay,

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Michael Jensen: All right. Thank you. Everyone. Um.

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Michael Jensen: So now we have.

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lauren siegel: Uh wait. I thought we were going to talk about the other. I I think it's too late to start. Yeah, I have people waiting. I was supposed to have dinner.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: Okay? Well, I will continue the we'll continue the other stuff. I did want to start brainstorming about

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lauren siegel: uh Lincoln Boulevard. So that's the next one um, and I think we need to figure out how to get more people involved in this

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Andrew Mika: to me. Let's brainstorm at the next meeting and figure out the next meeting like five minutes ago. Right, Andrew.

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lauren siegel: Bye bye, bye!

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lauren siegel: Nicely done. Well,