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jim murez: Good evening, Elizabeth.

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jim murez: I unmuted you in case you wanted to say Hello,

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Elizabeth Wright: Hi,

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Elizabeth Wright: Jim! It is inconvenient not to have a list of the things to be discussed

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Elizabeth Wright: it. It is very inconvenient not to have a list of the things that are that will be discussed.

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jim murez: Yeah, I know It's not my intention. Um,

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jim murez: hold on one second. I can barely hear you, and I don't know if it's on my under yours.

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Elizabeth Wright: Um,

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jim murez: I don't know why my audio is so low,

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jim murez: so it's all the way up. Say something again.

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Elizabeth Wright: Um.

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Elizabeth Wright: Good evening.

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jim murez: Yeah, I can't hear you at all.

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jim murez: That's weird.

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jim murez: Let's see if it's true with Cj. Too. She just joined the meeting.

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jim murez: Cj: I just unmuted you. Can you hear me?

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This is test speakers and like,

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CJ Cole: Can you hear me now?

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CJ Cole: No.

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jim murez: Is that strange?

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jim murez: Can't hear it all?

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jim murez: You put on headphones. I guess

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jim murez: somebody say something.

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CJ Cole: I'm here. Can you hear me?

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jim murez: No, I can't hear anything.

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Headphones.

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jim murez: Now say something.

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CJ Cole: Can you hear me now?

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jim murez: I don't know the the the the uh What do you call it? Zoom program?

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jim murez: Uh? As soon as I started it up. The host. This meeting, it said: Just a moment. We have to update, so I suspect, until I reboot my machine. It's not gonna

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jim murez: respect where my speakers are,

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jim murez: anyway. Good evening. So, Elizabeth, you were saying something about the

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jim murez: lack of posting of

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jim murez: the board agenda.

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Elizabeth Wright: Yes,

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jim murez: Um. So it has since been posted on the Adcom

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jim murez: uh website,

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jim murez: if that's of any help now, I mean, I know It's late. Um. I really had nothing to post originally, and I didn't want to do it prior to the meeting,

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jim murez: because that would have been a Brown act violation so

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Elizabeth Wright: well. We we have discussed it before. And I think

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Elizabeth Wright: any time you have a motion in a meeting

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Elizabeth Wright: that is not on the agenda. It is a brown act. Violation.

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jim murez: Yeah. So the motion is just to to uh approve an agenda that we're going to create tonight, so we can't create the agenda.

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jim murez: I guess that will come up as we get into the discussion more about whether or not the add-com committee is even a requirement anymore.

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jim murez: I understand why it was there Originally

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jim murez: it's not clear why the outcome Committee still exists. It seems like it just adds a complication to the process for everyone involved.

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Elizabeth Wright: Well, I I understand its existence

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Elizabeth Wright: for the board meetings to to actually

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Elizabeth Wright: be effective.

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Elizabeth Wright: They should be considering only things that

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Elizabeth Wright: they understand beforehand,

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Elizabeth Wright: and

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Elizabeth Wright: they should not be

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Elizabeth Wright: forced to look at things that really Don't belong before the board.

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jim murez: So in talking to a few of the other neighborhood councils around the city, we're the only one that does business this way. From what I've been able to discover

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Elizabeth Wright: that doesn't mean, we're wrong.

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jim murez: No,

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jim murez: and there could certainly be more than one right.

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jim murez: And I that was not a pond.

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jim murez: Good evening, Daffodil. How are you?

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jim murez: The the the of an adcom committee

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jim murez: that it is not necessary? Well, I don't know. I mean. Some people think it is, and some people think it isn't I I I was just mentioning that I know several other neighborhood councils. Don't have them

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jim murez: um,

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Elizabeth Wright: if nothing else. The outcome committee

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Elizabeth Wright: points out what motions are really ridiculously worded.

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jim murez: Yeah. But if if we got back to the understanding, and I understand that That's where before we had an agenda request system,

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jim murez: and we were saying that

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jim murez: all motions need to come from a committee unless there's a community impact statement or some other pressing issue attached to it.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: you know, we used to send them around by email.

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jim murez: It was a different story, because there was no format. There was no structure, and people would write, You know their biographies into what were then supposed to be turned into

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jim murez: motions in the Adcom committee, and that made sense because they were, most of them were so poorly worded. I think

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jim murez: the ideal solution would be to get the

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jim murez: wording correct in committee

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jim murez: and and work with the committees to be able to write the motions correctly in the first place, and then i'm not sure that at that point

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jim murez: there's a purpose for Edcom, because at cops, just basically rubber stamping, hey? The committee is now heard it, and we want to

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jim murez: put on to the board's agenda. Everything that the committees are saying. This needs to be done

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jim murez: so it it just sort of seems like It's

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jim murez: an extra step in the process.

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jim murez: But you know We'll, we'll take it up at some point in time in the future, and we can talk more about it.

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jim murez: i'm going to make you co-host. We're still waiting for more folks to show up. I don't believe Ally is going to be here. There was a fire on her set today,

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jim murez: and she uh emailed me that I texted me that uh,

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jim murez: she would, if she can make it at all. It's It's probably going to be quite late because she was offset for an hour and a half, and then they got back and

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jim murez: had to figure everything out.

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Elizabeth Wright: My goodness,

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah, there was a lot of calamity. Today in La I feel like the one at one was closed. That was a mess

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jim murez: I don't ever go that far away, or at least I try not to,

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jim murez: and they're still counting the mail-in. Balance.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah,

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jim murez: that's going to go on for A: while. I suspect.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I think that's right.

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jim murez: Okay. So J. Is here. Let's promote him.

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jim murez: Who else is on this?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't think there's anybody else here yet. I mean there's a lot of other people here, but

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jim murez: no other committee members

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jim murez: definitely. Did you hear that we actually did get a second zoom?

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: What do you call it? Administrator?

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jim murez: So it turns out that that done didn't actually give us a second account. What they did was they gave us a second user. On this account,

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jim murez: and because of the way that the zoom system works.

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jim murez: Whoever schedules the meeting also has to include the alternate host at the time, and there could be more than one alternate host. But the alternate host at the time the meeting is being scheduled,

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jim murez: and then the alternate host can then go in and start the meeting. So what that means is that I can schedule a meeting.

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jim murez: Dicky could be the alternate host, and either one of us could then start it,

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jim murez: or Vicki could schedule a meeting and include me as the alternate host, and then either one of us can start it. If the alternate host is not specified,

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jim murez: then the alternate host cannot start it, so it's not a true second account. It's the same account, but we can have two meetings happening simultaneously,

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jim murez: but didn't they say they were going to give us a second account.

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jim murez: So yeah, that they're not giving us a second an entire second account.

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jim murez: They just put a second user onto our account. So

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jim murez: either one of us can start meetings.

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jim murez: Okay, I mean, I think it. It. It takes care of what we need to do.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Either one of us can schedule a meeting, and either one of us can start a meeting so long as the person is listed as an alternate host,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Gotcha.

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jim murez: Functionally, it works. It's just terminology-wise. It doesn't

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jim murez: come across quite as simply

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Daffodil Tyminski: okay.

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jim murez: Let's see. Cj.

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jim murez: Is showing up on the screen because I allowed her to talk. She was helping me get my microphone working.

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jim murez: I guess I would probably remove her permission to talk right now.

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jim murez: That'll drop her back from the screen.

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jim murez: I think, did it? No,

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jim murez: I still see her. Do you still see her?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I see her in the attendees. I do not see her as a panelist.

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jim murez: Oh, Yeah.

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jim murez: So we need four to start. We have four.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: I wonder if we should wait another minute or two and see if Jason or

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jim murez: Mike, who else is still missing.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, let's see. Jason, Mike and Nico was here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: There's now me goes in twice, which i'm not quick. Sure I follow

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Nico Ruderman: um. He's probably in his car, but let's promote him a second time as well.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But we can hear you now.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! So we've got Mike Jason

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Daffodil Tyminski: and um.

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah. And and uh, Mike Mike text to me. Um of a few mess guys said he, has some some family stuff going on. He's not gonna make it.

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So it's only Jason and I guess they were missing.

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Ah, let's see.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, an ally. Of course we've already talked about. Ally. Yeah, we talked. We talked about Allie.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. Does anyone have Jason's cell phone number?

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jim murez: You know. That's funny. I may have just gotten it.

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Nico Ruderman: I I think I have it in a sec.

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jim murez: You'll be careful if you're driving.

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jay: Hey, guys, If we have quorum, we should start.

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jim murez: Yes, i'm just texting him. Now, I think No, this is the wrong one.

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jim murez: Okay, we can start

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jim murez: Is Ivan here, though?

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jim murez: I believe that we're allowed to start with four.

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jay: Okay, how many are on the committee?

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jim murez: Eight.

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jim murez: But I think there's something in our bylaws. It says we're allowed to do it with four.

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Nico Ruderman: We've we've done outcomes several times with just four people.

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jay: Let's do it.

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jim murez: Yeah.

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jim murez: Now, why is this? They've changed this all around. Okay, You you seeing my screen? Okay, good. Um. Okay, Let's call this meeting to order.

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jim murez: The time is six hundred and eight,

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jim murez: and I will save this away.

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jim murez: Um, James Murray is here daffodil

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jim murez: uh Melissa,

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jim murez: She she just called me a little while ago. I wonder if she's going to show up Jay.

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jay: Yep,

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jim murez: Nico

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Nico Ruderman: here.

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jim murez: Thank you, Jason

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jim murez: Ally and Mike.

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jim murez: Okay, So we have quorum

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: moving right along declaration and ex parte communication. So I have had. Well, let's see. I've had conversations about the board's agenda um, which we'll get to in a second. I've also had communications with a couple of other people about uh

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jim murez: the the uh election

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jim murez: um, and about

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jim murez: the opening, the board, the board opening board seat, and about uh,

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jim murez: I don't know just other things on the agenda. Nothing in particularly exciting

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Daffodil Tyminski: anybody else definitely. You have your hand up. Go ahead.

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jim murez: Um. We'll get to it. Okay, So I just don't know. I mean, I guess, as we go, we so the board's agenda was posted um about ten minutes ago. Uh the draft. The draft version, I should say, was posted about ten minutes ago. It's on the Vnc's website under the Adcom committee,

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jim murez: and uh, we'll get to it as soon as we get to it. But uh, yeah, the the the items are there,

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jim murez: and I can sort of. I should sort of explain that right now. So everybody aware of what's going on, We didn't have any items to put on the Board's agenda, except for one item that was left over from last month a parking and transportation Committee item, as of Monday, when it was time to post the Adcom agenda, and normally I out of courtesy, I just post the draft agenda of items that have already come in, and then revise it right before the meeting, and this time I had to just revise the whole thing, because there was nothing to go on.

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jim murez: So now it's all been revised, and it's there, and we'll go over it as we get to it.

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jim murez: And when we get to the items on the agenda daffodil, if there's an item that you need to recuse yourself from, or that you want to clarify that you had conversations about it. You can do when we get to the item.

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jim murez: anybody else.

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jim murez: Okay, let's move along. Um public comment. Do we have any public comment this evening

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Daffodil Tyminski: items? Not on the agenda, on items, not on the agenda. Uh, I see no hands raised, so I would say, let's close public comment.

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jim murez: And, Ivan I We'll move along this we have. We have a hand raise for public comment. Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. I've been here. I'm going to promote to a panelists.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: um approval of outstanding administrative committee meeting. Minutes. Do I have a motion, so me make a motion. I'll move it. Thank you. Jay.

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jim murez: Uh, I need a second.

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jim murez: Somebody want a second.

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Nico Ruderman: I'll. Second it.

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jim murez: Okay. Who wants to go first

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jim murez: was a tie

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Daffodil Tyminski: That was your chance to make public comment about.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh Lisa, Go ahead, Lisa Redmond! And then, after Lisa, we're closing public comment.

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Lisa Redmond: gotta give people a moment. Not Everyone's instantaneous on the computer. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa, if you want to take it. So you're the president. You can call it.

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jim murez: We're not in that much of a rush. Go ahead.

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Regan (REEgan) Kibbee: Hi, Jim! It's regret. Sorry! Sorry it's, Reagan, and I just wondered. I can only see you and Daffodil. Is that how it works? I I I can do. I have to be made a panelist to be able to see other people.

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jim murez: Um, no. I think that other people have their cameras off, and I I think one of the people is driving, and that's fine. I can only see I don't see any names or anything. I only see the two of you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You should be able to see everyone's name.

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jim murez: Um, No, I can't see participants. I can't see chat. I can't see any. All I can do is raising more. My hands. Sorry to do that. But I yeah, I don't know that's something something on your end. I can just tell you that zoom updated me tonight, and and uh, maybe you need to get an update. I don't know. Okay, Yeah, yeah, sorry.

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jim murez: I assume there were no more hands. But um! Let's go ahead and call for the vote, so I will vote. Yes, to approve the previous minutes. Um daffodil

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Daffodil Tyminski: um. I'm going to stay on this one because I don't think I was at the entire meeting.

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jim murez: for officer to No, this this is not. We're not putting this one on. I've found out later. This is out of order, so we have to first do something. We first have to put the

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jim murez: What was that?

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jim murez: Somebody just said, No,

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jim murez: We have an Adcom nomination for community officer. But we can't do the

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jim murez: until the Board has first approved the nomination, So

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jim murez: Okay. Thank you. Daffodil. Okay. So um. Now we will move on to

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jim murez: and like I have done in the past. I'm just checking these off so we can keep track of the vote. We're not taking new role unless somebody new has come. Have Has Melissa shown up

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jim murez: Okay, I would say, let's take items, one, three, six, seven, eight.

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jim murez: is the uh uh introduction and rules of holding the meeting to is called the order Three is the roll call of the meeting, for is the Declaration five is the scheduled announcements and presentations of which we have none. Then we have public safety. Um, which is going to be La Pd. And la Fd. And I've added in here the the names of the various different people the senior leads are all under these links. Now.

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jim murez: Um! We get down to uh government reports. We have all of these various different people. I don't believe we have um a a field deputy from from Mr. Bonan's office at this point, or from the Assembly. Um office.

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jim murez: I don't know Louis, Who?

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jim murez: And is that the first name or the last name? No. His first name is Louis Lou, ie.

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Daffodil Tyminski: His. I know his email is Louis dot lev at Ellie City, dot Org.

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jim murez: Well, that was fixed. Um, Do you see any others on here?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, i'm just letting Vicki talk. Vicki, I can't remember his name out the top of my head. The there is no one at this point now. Yeah, I didn't think so, Jack, Jason or Jason. Can you confirm for me that you're here.

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jim murez: Um. If Lisa Redmond's in the audience, she may know the name of the person, if there was one, she seems to keep track of these people.

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jim murez: You want to let her speak.

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jim murez: Lisa. Do you know, if we have a deputy from Carcetti's office. No, I don't You don't know what about the from the State Assembly Office?

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Lisa Redmond: No, but you could at least put her name there, as you have. Every other representative elected a physical name. There you has has As assembly woman, Mckinnon. Um ever had anybody join. I I I can. I can contact her, and as her somebody join,

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vicki halliday: I had correspondence with Gar City's office. There is not an official field deputy at this point. I have a contact. But they aren't going to be attending meetings.

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jim murez: Yeah. And as of the night, December ninth, there the all the staff is changing anyway. So okay,

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jim murez: um, and then we had a special request from the city clerk's office for me to include them on the agenda um, and this has to do with the election. So, under government reports, they asked for five minutes to be able to make a presentation about the how the Administrator is going to be running the meeting for us

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jim murez: there now, although I haven't talked to her, it was actually somebody else that I think was her supervisor that I spoke to, and then under committee reports. We have all the same committee reports. Um,

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jim murez: I believe I got that right this time,

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jim murez: and and we are still seeking a uh chair for the rules and Selections Committee.

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jim murez: Um, and then we go on to board approval, which is number. Excuse me, um! A board minutes approval,

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jim murez: which is item number nine, and then the treasures report. We don't have one, because there's been no new requests or anything to be made. I guess we could put that in there, but I didn't at this point,

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Daffodil Tyminski: It is Daffodil. I will make a motion to approve items one through fourteen. Okay,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry to. I'll be right back. I just have a bit of a fr in my throat, but I will vote. Yes,

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jim murez: And now we need to open that for public comment, and I think I have to stop sharing screens to

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jim murez: respond to public comment, to see if anyone has their hand up. I see in the attendee list. Uh, Lisa. Go ahead, please.

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Lisa Redmond: Am I unmuted? Yes, I believe so. Uh I I'm have a problem with always that under the fire department reports and police department reports, you offer the public to submit questions seventy-two hours before the event. But yet you also Don't post the agenda until seventy-two hours before the event,

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Lisa Redmond: so that really doesn't give public time to see that and say, Hey, i'd like to submit a question.

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Lisa Redmond: So you know, do you really need seventy-two hours to culminate people's you know questions to ask the officer that's speaking that night, you know.

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Lisa Redmond: Maybe even forty-eight hours or twenty four hours. I it just seems silly that you're telling people they can do something when there's really no time to do anything.

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jim murez: panelists. Um, Nico, Your hand is up. Should I just lower it.

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jim murez: Was it up from before. There you go. Okay, Not a problem, not a problem. Um. Okay. So we took public comment. Um,

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jim murez: if everybody's in agreement. Anybody anybody want to abstain from approving items, one through fourteen.

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jim murez: Anybody want to vote? No from items, one through fourteen,

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jim murez: Um. That was voted five hundred and one. So because of that, it's not on the uh consent. Calendar

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jim murez: um excuse me, I'm just scrolling back and forth new board business. Um, which would be the election plan, and there are three links there. There's a handbook that the city published, and a model that the city published.

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jim murez: Um, that we have to to approve the well. We don't really have, they said. We don't have to approve the plan. The model Um, we do have to approve the plan which was uh uh! Created by uh, one of the outreach members, and then uh the the the outreach committee sent it to us, but it was actually submitted by

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jim murez: the the committee member. I don't know why the chair didn't do it, but it didn't happen that way, but at any rate we now have a plan. Um! And then after that we have to approve a budget for the plan. And these are just items. Now for the board's agenda. We're not going to be discussing the actual plan or the um budget

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jim murez: and then we go on to uh. This was uh the item that was left over from last month. Um, that somehow didn't get to the board.

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jim murez: item nineteen. So let's take uh let's see. Let's see. Let's take fourteen. Let's keep. Excuse me. Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, and nineteen.

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jim murez: And do we have a motion to approve those items for the board's agenda.

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jim murez: No, this is not gone. This is not gone through budget Yet that's a separate item. It will

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jim murez: um it. It does say here that it's going to be uh here here in pending ratification by the Budget committee. So, because of the time sequencing uh being able to get into the election cycle, starting already this month. Um!

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jim murez: The decision was made that that the board, and when I say the decision, I made the decision Um! That the way to move this forward would be for the Board to approve it.

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jim murez: Pending the Budget committees also approving it, but the Budget Committee can't approve it until we have a plan. So first we have to have the plan,

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jim murez: and then the The Budget Committee will meet next week and ratify the approval of the board we already let's back up for a second. We already approved fifteen thousand dollars for the election cycle much earlier on in our term. We did that before the end of the year, and that was part of the roll over money.

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jim murez: So what we're really saying now is is that

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jim murez: we don't have any problem with the money being spent as it's allocated here on the screen. Um, as long as That's okay with the Budget committee.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Does that answer you Death? Yeah. I just feel like we're doing it backwards, though, and I get time is of the essence. But if it's not okay with the Budget Committee, then

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Daffodil Tyminski: we come back. I mean, I Then we'll have to have a special board meeting as well.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay again. I feel like it seems to me, backwards. But how? How? How would you suggest doing it?

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jim murez: I mean, I think we refer the whole thing to budget, and let them figure out what they the budget is going to be, and then present it to the board. Well wait. We always do it. Plan The plan already describes what the budget needs to be. The plan describes what the money is going to be spent on,

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jim murez: but no one's adopted the plan. That's right. That's why the board's going to adopt the plan,

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jim murez: and if the board adopts the plan, they're adopting the budget in the plan, but it's been spelled out here that it's the

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jim murez: the Budget Committee still has to agree that the financial

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, again. To me this just seems backwards like if it I think it should go to a committee first. But um! That's just my two sounds

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jim murez: right well we we have. We don't have a motion on the floor. You're correct. Okay. So it's items. It's. Item: Does that anybody want to make the motion? Items? Fifteen through uh

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jim murez: And do I have a second

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jim murez: Thank you, Nico.

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jim murez: Let's take public comment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, okay. I'm. Just taking everyone in the order that you're appearing on my screen here. Um, Lisa Redmond, go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah, I I don't want to know Christopher, and I know he's done a lot of work, and he's

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Lisa Redmond: it great. But I I gotta agree that you know you can't put in a budget

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Lisa Redmond: without it having gone through Budget Committee first, and i'm pretty sure that you made a standing rule just recently. That said all things need to go through the Budget Committee before they can go to the board, and this whole thing that you've already proved spending

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Lisa Redmond: it doesn't really fly. This is now the detailed budget of what that new standing rule stands for, and so I don't understand why the Budget Committee doesn't

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Lisa Redmond: me every month, and it's just kind of fly by night whenever they somebody feels that it's, necessary, and then we do these last minute things

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Lisa Redmond: so. But you didn't pay attention to what I just lasted, which was a ballot think about the seventy-two hours thing and asking questions. So who knows if you'll pay attention now? But it just I I agree with capital it's a little backwards. But I think we're wanting it for different reasons.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Lisa. Um Cj: Everyone is unmuted. By the way, I believe. So. Cj: go ahead.

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CJ Cole: Okay, Um.

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CJ Cole: As far as I know, I believe this is another

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CJ Cole: um outreach committee situation.

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CJ Cole: This plan, by Chris or Christopher, was done at least a month and a half ago there was supposed to have been an outreach committee meeting back, then

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CJ Cole: to look at it and approve it. It's just absolutely. There's no excuse that this is getting. It has nothing to do with the Budget Committee. It never went from outreach to the Budget Committee to be heard by the Budget Committee.

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CJ Cole: It's just the outreach committee is totally useless. Sorry. Thanks,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Liz right, and if we have to, if you could put your hand on it and be helpful because it it makes your hands up. Make the your order up all over the place. I'm Liz right. Go ahead.

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Elizabeth Wright: Thanks. Ej um!

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Elizabeth Wright: I I will have some significant comments regarding the plan,

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Elizabeth Wright: and

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Elizabeth Wright: it's probably more than would take one minute.

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Elizabeth Wright: What can I do to make sure that people on the board actually read what I have

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Elizabeth Wright: to say.

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Elizabeth Wright: The Board is notorious for saying I get too many emails. I cannot read all of them.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. I do read all of mine.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Helen, go ahead!

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Helen Fallon: I would echo the comments made by Lisa and Cj. This is it? It's appalling that this is in

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Helen Fallon: rush through like this and that, that the outreach committee just

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Helen Fallon: stopped doing their job.

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Helen Fallon: But this is again another example of we're going to be at the Budget committee with no details.

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Helen Fallon: Who's this election? Administrator. There's are there going to be any invoices, any any estimates, any? Are these numbers based on anything that someone went out and double check. This is what going to be the expense,

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Helen Fallon: because this is what we did last month with the best holiday lighting. Well, we'll look at the invoices afterwards. This is not a way to do to handle the money, and it's it's wrong, and it should be. It should continue, because This is exactly where we where we were last month,

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Helen Fallon: the holiday lighting stuff. So I don't understand how we can even look talk about anything if if it's pre-approved, and we don't have any invoices to look at or for estimates

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Thanks, Ellen

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Daffodil Tyminski: and last, but not least, we have the author himself Christopher Lee

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Go ahead, Christopher

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Christopher Lee: Great. I'm an author now. Thanks that. Um So to the concerns from everyone. I got the

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Christopher Lee: the inefficiency of the outreach committee, and it's something that I've been striving as a member of the committee to address. So this has been a discovery process for me as a member of the outreach committee uh for the appropriate procedures to get something like this past. So uh, thank you, Jim, for being part of that process and helping guide me through it. Uh, even if we are reaching up

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Christopher Lee: point where we are slightly out of order on that. As for community feedback, Liz, please feel free to reach out to me. You have my email address, and i'm glad to incorporate any feedback. And then, Helen, as to your point. Um. Two of those I can speak to is the social media spend is an ad spend, so that

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Christopher Lee: we will pull this from as soon as we allocate that spend. And within the plan itself. We do include the postal route, so there are indications of where that money is being spent, and I can get estimates for the graphic design package as needed, so that they can be incorporated as well.

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Thanks, Christopher.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. With that we'll close public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, Um,

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jim murez: I see some committee hands are up.

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jim murez: Um, let me start calling on those. I even go ahead.

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Ivan: Yeah, Jim, There's a couple of technical corrections. What? You said. One second we're getting extra voices.

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Ivan: Daffodil is. Is everybody else muted? Yeah, i'll meet the audience. Thank you. Okay, Go ahead, Ivan. What were you saying? Alright, There were a couple of technical things that you didn't get correct. The election plan. Yeah.

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Ivan: Went to the outreach committee. They They didn't discuss the merits of the plan,

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Ivan: but they approved the plan coming in from the task force and being sent to the board with recommendations.

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jim murez: So it didn't just come from quick. It came from the whole outreach committee, except that the outreach committee never submitted it, and you know, after requesting it will be submitted.

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jim murez: I I understand I'm in. I saw the I was in the meeting I heard the recording. I reminded Sima that she needed to send it through as an agenda request. She never did it so. The only other person that I knew of that had The plan was Chris, and he was kind enough to take his time to send it forward. So

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Ivan: what about the recommendations that they had as part of their motion.

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Ivan: Uh, I never saw those, because she never sent them forward. Well, he didn't, but they were there. The committee passed them.

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Ivan: I have no documentation of that, and there's been no minutes posted. There was direct the recommendation that the Board either hire an election administrator will create a committee, and and and that has been incorporated

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jim murez: into the budget motion. The board has to do that. Yeah, it's it's

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jim murez: it. It's part of the It's right here. It's on the screen. It says it looks an administrator, two thousand dollars, and it is incorporated into the link that says plan. So if I click on the link and open the plan it does. It is described in there that one will be hired,

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Ivan: so i'm not sure what you're referring to when you say it's not the the Board has to approve that it's it's it's. That's the actual recommendation from the committee.

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Ivan: So whatever Christopher did. He removed that?

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jim murez: I'm. I'm happy. I'm happy. I'm happy to add something. He didn't remove any, understand something. He did not remove anything. Okay, It was never submitted. It was never submitted, and there have been no minutes taken from that meeting that have been posted yet.

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jim murez: Okay, I don't have any. I don't have any record of what you're saying.

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jim murez: Okay,

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Ivan: all right. Well, how do we get that added in? Because that was there. You can't just ignore the committee motion.

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Ivan: Well, we can. What What would you like to have at it other than the the motion? They wrote a motion to be sent to the board that you like to see. Would you like to send that to me?

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Ivan: I don't have it. I'm not the secretary,

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Ivan: the secretary. That's what they did. Ivan, the Secretary doesn't have it either, because they didn't post their minutes. I don't know what to tell you.

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jim murez: Daffodil, you. You interact with the committees. Do you have a copy of it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't, but i'm so confused here, because what you just said you were at the meeting. How so? I mean you how I did. I did not take the minutes for the meeting. So you have access to the zoom.

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jim murez: Yeah.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well, I mean, this is not a hard thing to figure out. Look, I just have to say I don't know why. It seems to me that you are on a mini crusade against Sima that Confound me, Um! And and people are picking up on it. Members of the public are are are

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Daffodil Tyminski: making disparaging comments about her, and I think largely you're orchestrating this, and it's really inappropriate. Um Sima from day. One did not want to do this and want this to be an outreach.

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Daffodil Tyminski: She told you that we all told you that you drove it there, anyway.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! So this whole thing about how she dropped the ball on this. This never should have gone to her. We could have had an election committee or an election person appointed ages ago, and I don't know why you did it this way,

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Daffodil Tyminski: but I find. It's shockingly inappropriate that at every meeting this becomes a dump on seema situation or a dump on outreach situation.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Something else should be in there. We just go back to the zoom, and we added in.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But

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Daffodil Tyminski: this um, this, this this tone and manner and and subtle kind of passive, aggressive like thing that you're doing is just horrible. I have no idea why you're doing this. You've been doing it to her repeatedly for months, and obviously you have folks that are buying into it. I don't know why, because they don't know the whole story.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, so

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Daffodil Tyminski: I i'm just so delighted in you, and how you're handling this, and how you're treating your fellow board member.

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jim murez: Well, Daffodil, i'm not going to clean the laundry here with you, Daffodil, but you have also been a big part of this. You're right, and and you're absolutely correct, and I can wave my hands like you can wave your hands and make it a big thing, but i'm not trying to make it a big thing. There are certain facts that do exist

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jim murez: that include people posting the minutes to their meetings. This is not happened.

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jim murez: Okay, there are things like people actually doing their jobs and scheduling meetings and having them on a regular basis. This has not happened, and i'm not just gonna. I'm not gonna just sit here and go over all of this with you. You are well aware of it, and you have said you would work on it with other committee members, but it hasn't happened from the standpoint of whether or not the results have actually occurred that we've had the information we needed. This is not my job.

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jim murez: I put up that we needed to have an election Rfp. For several months everybody that had the opportunity, and had previously spoken about it, said they were not interested in doing it for various different reasons.

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jim murez: We had no other choice but to handle it this way. You and I had the conversation, and you and I agreed that this is how it would be done.

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jim murez: So Don't say that this is all on. Well, it is true.

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jay: Okay, guys, guys, we're at a point where I don't really feel like I want to continue this meeting. Um, unless we're going to start making some progress. So if we're going to

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jim murez: go back on topic here, let's get back on topic. If we're going to have an election, we need to move forward, and if we're not going to have an election, well, Daffodil, maybe you want to take the responsibility on.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Can we?

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jay: Can. Can we get through the rest of the committee. Members hands, please.

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jim murez: Yes, go ahead. J: please.

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jay: Thank you.

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jay: So first of all, Christopher, Thank you for taking this on.

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jay: Obviously, you've already realized This is a thankless job, and it's just the beginning.

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So But thank you for taking it on

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jay: uh Helen. You're absolutely correct.

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jay: If this comes to the Budget Committee as written, it would be rejected.

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jay: It doesn't meet the qualifications right now of the funding department, which is to have vendor names,

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jay: estimates from vendors.

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jay: You know all that needs to be laid out, and quite frankly, this would be rejected summarily when it comes to the Budget Committee

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jay: uh to answer Lisa's comment about the budget committee being willy-nilly. Uh no, I think, we're very clear that

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jay: if nobody submits items for budget we will not meet.

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jay: I have absolutely no reason to disturb people's night

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jay: when there is nothing on an agenda.

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jay: Okay, and to be ridiculed for saving people's time and not wasting their time, I think, is very unfair.

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jay: Had we had anybody who wanted anything

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jay: on the Budget Committee we would be happy to do it, and I forwarded to Jim. Well in advance.

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jay: Something to be posted, it said the Budget Committee will not be meeting There's no items on the agenda,

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jay: so i'm trying to be as transparent as we can be based on comments that were made in the past. So now, going back to the election issue. Okay, yes, you are completely right, you know we have a standing rule uh it is set up in a way that it's supposed to come to budget

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jay: uh it should have come. If outreach approved it, it should have come to Budget and then go to the board, but apparently outreach only approved the plan itself.

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jay: Um!

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jay: So i'm gonna suggest, and I know everyone was gonna hate me for doing this, because time is of the essence. And again, I don't like twenty-four hour meetings, and I will not hold a twenty-four hour meeting when we're talking about thirty-three percent of the annual budget being spent,

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jay: so it will be a fully noticed meeting. I would be happy to hold a meeting the beginning of the week

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jay: uh outside of seventy-two hours, to have the Budget

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jay: uh heard by the Budget committee. I am happy to meet separately with Christopher,

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jay: to go through, item by item with him, to write up the issues in a way that it would be acceptable to the funding department and can pass through budget very quickly.

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jay: Okay, uh the budget

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jay: funding the funding department has all their own rules, you know, and unfortunately it takes a lot of time to get stuff through them because of the way they have the rules written. So i'm happy to meet, you know with Christopher I'm happy to hold a meeting the beginning of the week. Um,

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jay: I am, you know. I'm not happy to have that

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jay: pull it backwards and forward and backwards and forward. But the reality is um, you know this is a lot of money from our budget,

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jay: you know, when you're talking to thirty, the annual budget for elections, and something as important as elections. You know, I think, that it it should be done in a way that is very

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jay: What What means for the mailing house? Who's going to do the mailing? Who's going to do the bundling? Who's going to take it to the post office? What is the real plan? And where's the money really going to be spent?

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jay: And who are you looking at as being an administrator? What is the process being used. And do you have an administrator ready to come on board that you can name that we can then go, because bear in mind. When you hire an administrative. We cannot hire anybody

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jay: That administrator has to be approved through one of the Temp companies. Okay, whether it's apple, one or Lloyds or Whomever, we cannot hire an administrative directly. It has to go through one of the ten companies. So there's a lot of procedures here, guys,

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jay: you know. And again i'm happy to work with people on it.

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jay: But this is not going to be something where the board looks at it and goes yay, and then sends it to budget, and it's going to go. No, Because then we're going to be right back where we are now. So I really think at this point, you know, we need to rethink how this process is working. Uh and again get

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jay: Christopher up to speed on what the rules are for funding, so that this can be a smooth transition into a good election of which we have very little time right now.

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That's my comments. Guys.

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jim murez: Okay, Are there any other hands from the committee.

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Daffodil Tyminski: No, but we, Christopher. Now, Sima in the audience.

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jim murez: Okay. Um. Well, we've already had public comment on these items, and we've already had uh

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jim murez: um,

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jim murez: hang on one second. Michael is asking me about starting the other meeting, and that's up to Vicki

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jim murez: Zoom won't. Let me start.

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jim murez: No, I don't know why. I think he just texted me also.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Okay, um.

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jim murez: So we have A. So we had a a a motion for uh fifteen through nineteen.

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jim murez: Um! I wonder if the

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jim murez: uh uh

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jim murez: idea that we just do fifteen through eighteen,

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jim murez: and not approve the budget and let the budget go to, because we really don't.

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jim murez: From what I recall in the plan, we don't need to start spending money on it

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: until next month,

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jim murez: so maybe that's what we do. Maybe we approve the the up up through the plan, and I think that the plan actually did describe who the vendors were. But it doesn't spill out Um!

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jim murez: How the money Well, it does in the budget Actually, just the two weren't put into here together.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Jim, Filing starts in two weeks.

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Ivan: We just

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jim murez: well the mass mailing doesn't go out until it's time to vote.

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Ivan: No, the mailing is for candidates.

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Ivan: I've been doing this for decades. Trust me,

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jay: hey? Jim: Yeah,

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jay: I I would like to. I I'd be happy if you can take this whole item for Budget nineteen and put it on an agenda for Budget Committee for Monday evening. It's a six o'clock

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jay: uh and get it posted tomorrow. So it's. Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. Get it posted before six,

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jay: and between now and then. Christopher, if you're listening to me, if you like to meet or talk by phone or zoom to go over some of what I believe you will need to do to get this through the Budget Committee. I'm happy to do it between now and then.

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jay: Um, but i'm happy to hold the budget meeting, because then you could have it ready for Tuesday for the board. Okay, so, Jay, let me interrupt you. Um.

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jim murez: The board has to approve the budget.

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jim murez: So if I was to delete all of the information, except where it

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jim murez: says that

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jim murez: the description of a possible action would be approval of the budget

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jim murez: um,

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jim murez: and

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jim murez: just leave it at that. Take out all of line items and and let fill that in. We can't fill it in ahead of time. You can't do that. It's called God, I mean for the board. It's all got it. It's all got to be there for the board, and it's all got so we can amend the motion at the board.

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jay: Okay, I mean, we can. We can do line item amendments, either adding vendors or you know, whatever it happens to be.

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jay: I mean, if this is the budget that ends up getting approved. But it has to have all the technical stuff taken care of. We can do that. Okay,

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jay: Um, you know, as long as i'm able to meet with Christopher and he's got the information, we could do that. Um, but I think in an effort to try and have elections and and started on time. The only way it's going to work is if we

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jay: you know, take this item. You can put it on the agenda for the board, but it's pending approval of the Budget Committee. That's what it says here. It says, pending ratification by

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jay: Yeah, it, it says, pending ratification.

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jay: Um, whether you call ratification and approval or not.

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jim murez: That's up to you. Um. But i'm happy to hold it. That's what the dictionary says. It's a dictionary term. I looked that one up because that one was

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Daffodil Tyminski: because ratification implies You're ratified something that was predetermined, Right? Yeah, it's not a ratification. So wait! I I missed the word definitely. You were. You were breaking up because there was more voices. What did you say to change the word to,

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Daffodil Tyminski: I would say, as determined by the Budget Committee.

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jay: So as

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jay: you're in,

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just not pending ratification.

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jim murez: Yeah, you, we're not going to ratify something that we never voted on. In the first place. Okay. The board of officers approves the proposed Vnc election two thousand and twenty-three budget, as described here in pending approval by Budget Committee.

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jay: Right?

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jim murez: Is that okay?

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jay: That works? Yeah. Okay.

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jim murez: So the motion was made by Jason. The motion was seconded by Nico.

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jim murez: I see no other hands up by the committee.

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jim murez: Let's call for the vote.

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jim murez: So this is uh we're voting on items. Let me just put that in here as a note to myself, for later

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approved.

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It's fifteen through nineteen,

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and

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jim murez: I will vote. Yes,

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jim murez: um definitely. How do you vote,

553
01:05:48.410 --> 01:05:49.869
jim murez: Jay? How do you vote?

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Yes,

555
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jim murez: Nico.

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jim murez: Yes, thank you, Jason.

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01:05:58.240 --> 01:05:59.769
Jason Sugars: Voting. Yes,

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jim murez: Great motion carries five zero zero

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jim murez: um,

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jim murez: mikkel. If you're still listening, we might be able to start your meeting five minutes late.

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jim murez: So give me a chance. Uh, by the way, the the zoom link uh Vicki got an error message. So we have to go back to done and find out why we can't have two meetings simultaneously after they said we could.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: so let's take uh, let's see. The next item is uh a metro transportation communication network digital signage. This was an item that was brought to us by parking and transportation. Five zero zero,

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jim murez: uh, Then we have uh nomination for board officer. Um.

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jim murez: Oliver Fries has submitted an application. The application is there,

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jim murez: Then we have an amendment which is a required request by the city attorney's office to amend the language of our standing rules. Number Nine A and B. The motion is there. I haven't uh cleaned that up and put that together for us

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jim murez: we have a Venice Improvements Project um

568
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jim murez: where the Vnc needs to decide if they want to go along with the racks recommendation.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: let's see, what else do we have? We have support for uh position, ordinance on speed limit, reduction,

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jim murez: and then I don't know what this one is, so let's take items

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jim murez: twenty through twenty-four. Can we get a motion for items twenty through twenty-four to put on the board's agenda

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jay: move.

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jim murez: Who is that?

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jay: Jay?

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jim murez: Thank you, Jase: Thank you, Nico. Can we take public comment,

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jim murez: Daffodil. Do we have any public comment?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, um

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you

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Daffodil Tyminski: we do. I've got um.

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Go ahead.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry i'm trying to allow everyone to talk and zoom is not letting me do it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I did.

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Sima Kostov: Hi, everybody! Can you hear me? Yes,

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Sima Kostov: I want to say for the record that the

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Sima Kostov: what i'm speaking it's Kima,

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Daffodil Tyminski: go go ahead.

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Sima Kostov: But there's the second voice that says we have to go to least suffer.

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jim murez: I don't know Daffodil, are you? Are you changing the order?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't know It's Zoom. It's just the word. I'm not touching it at all. It's all Okay,

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Sima Kostov: so. So so Sima Sima started after the call to let's go with the record. You guys, I could not get on since six twenty-three this evening, so I've been trying to get on for almost forty minutes,

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Sima Kostov: so number one number two. The motion that the outreach committee submitted through the agenda request, and currently through the agenda request, for there's no confirmation one

593
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Sima Kostov: that that agenda request was submitted. I'm speaking. I'm the chair about. If you're going to talk about me, I have a right to talk about what happens.

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Sima Kostov: The motion was submitted by outreach. Nothing about Budget and nothing about approving the Bmc election plan, because I've been very clear for three months when we started having this conversation with done that, I do not want elections going through outreach for a number of reasons that have been discussed for the last three months. I'm not being heard. I'm not being heard by our President, and certainly not being heard by Christopher. The motion that went through had nothing to do with approving

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Sima Kostov: only motion that went through about the board, watching and determining whether they want to adopt the election plan.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry, Sima, but one. It's off topic and two.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We have to move on. Um, Lisa, Go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: Yeah, I have an issue with item twenty one. The election of a board officer. Um!

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Lisa Redmond: I think it's ridiculous that it's finally happening. Well, I can't even argue the merits about who is applying,

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Lisa Redmond: but the issue is through, and let's dump on Sema again. The outreach committee has not done anything to advertise the open board position. It's never been posted on the front of the website. No social media announcements have been made. I I really recommend that an all out

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Lisa Redmond: opportunity to attract people

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Lisa Redmond: be done. It hasn't been done for months. Let's try and do it. Let's postpone this a month, which is even silly, because you're technically waiting to have this board position. So then you can name a rule selection which is asked backwards as well, because we can see where that's going. But

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Lisa Redmond: this is ridiculous that we only have one person, because the world doesn't know about it.

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Lisa Redmond: There's been no effective outreach done to try and get other board members

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Lisa Redmond: applications. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Ah, Helen, go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: Um. Yes, I completely agree with Lisa. There was absolutely no nothing. Zip on the

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Helen Fallon: outreach, on on the website for the last month about this decision vacancy, and the prior month. They had no applicants, because they even said there hadn't been any outreach to them there still wasn't any outreach, and to have the only app could be somebody who was removed from the board because of excessive absences.

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Helen Fallon: It's just It's embarrassing

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Helen Fallon: the h of him, re applying us.

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Helen Fallon: I'm. Just speechless that you have an obligation to let the community know, and the stakeholders know. This position is vacant, and all that was on the website was an obscure link, and rules and selections to the application, with no mention of

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Helen Fallon: what position was vacant, what the deadline was nothing. It was just the generic application. So how would you expect anybody to have figured that out except somebody obviously was directly solicited,

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Helen Fallon: and some of them

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. And with that we will close public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, Um, I see a couple of hands up uh definitely Go ahead.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I just wanted to. I wanted to check on quorum, because I actually have a worked at seven thirty and mid-city that I push back because it's night. I didn't set it. But I might have to leave very soon. So okay, hopefully, we'll get There's only one or two more items. Thank you for

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jim murez: We should still have a quorum. Nico. Go ahead, please.

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Nico Ruderman: Oh, sorry! I forgot my hand with slip. I actually was raising my hand earlier. I I did get a hold of the assembly woman and and have um a a staff member to to put on for for next week, and that they're going to join us next week.

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jim murez: Can you do me a favor and email me that, and I will put that in,

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jim murez: sure, sure. And he's he's going to the Staffer is going to confirm with me on Monday. But Thank you very much. Okay. So uh, do we have any more comment from from the committee,

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jim murez: seeing none. Let's call for the vote,

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jim murez: Miko. Put your hand down, though, so you don't confuse us.

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: I will vote. Yes,

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jim murez: Daffodil, How do you vote?

627
01:14:15.860 --> 01:14:16.969
Yes,

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Jason Sugars: uh Jay

629
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jim murez: j handle?

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jim murez: Did we lose change?

631
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Daffodil Tyminski: No, he's there,

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jim murez: and i'll come back. Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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jim murez: uh Jason.

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Jason Sugars: Forty. Yes,

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jim murez: and J. How do you vote?

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jay: Yes, thank you, Jay.

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jim murez: So the motion carries five zero. Zero.

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jim murez: I don't know what this is about,

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jim murez: but it came from the discussion Forum, and it's a really long motion,

641
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jim murez: and the motion has a link in the middle of it.

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Ivan: Um, Joe is in the

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jim murez: why don't we let Joe speak briefly to this, and because we've already taken a position to it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, i'm not sure that we want to put this on the board's agenda. But let's let Joe speak to it, because it's his committee

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jim murez: in the last part of this right here. I think that this is where the actual

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jim murez: motion starts. Let's see it's, therefore requested. So it's like it starts right here. The actual motion, And I think when we see this, we're calling for the resignation of the La officials and the communication. You know, I think, that this is already.

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jim murez: We've already taken. A position on the board is already taking a position on that. There would be no reason for us to put this forward again. But let's hear from from Joe real quick

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Daffodil Tyminski: trying to to to deal with the hands. Thank you.

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01:16:34.120 --> 01:16:38.000
jim murez: Um, Joe, you are unmuted. Do you want to speak

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Joseph Murphy: uh yeah. Can you hear me?

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01:16:41.370 --> 01:16:43.429
Joseph Murphy: Okay, Uh,

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Joseph Murphy: First of all, I uh

653
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Joseph Murphy: was made aware of the motion that has been passed, and um, although I can't speak for my committee to say that they would approve it. I'm sure they would.

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Joseph Murphy: Uh. As to the differences between the two, this one here this is the word bigotry,

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Joseph Murphy: and and applies to all elected officials, not just those that were cited in the Uh Neri Martinez, Gil Sedillo, Kevin de Leon, and also the uh chair of the Uh.

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Joseph Murphy: What is it? The Labor Committee, the uh,

657
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Joseph Murphy: our Union committee?

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01:17:23.800 --> 01:17:25.420
Joseph Murphy: But uh,

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01:17:26.310 --> 01:17:28.329
Joseph Murphy: it's that expanded

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01:17:28.620 --> 01:17:29.809
Joseph Murphy: uh

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01:17:30.890 --> 01:17:36.979
Joseph Murphy: uh target, which is not just those that voted here but future people,

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Joseph Murphy: and uh the uh

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Joseph Murphy: uh,

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Joseph Murphy: uh, hopefully, they uh they that we can speak out against any future bigotry as well,

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Joseph Murphy: and that's the That's the reason why I think it's slightly different, or somewhat, maybe significantly different

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Joseph Murphy: than uh the one that was passed.

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jim murez: So what we did was um.

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jim murez: We We created a motion that address, I think,

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jim murez: five or six or seven community impact statements that were all on city council files. Having to do with this exact same issue which included the removal of these uh individuals and and all sorts of other things. Um, changing the way that that the Council is allowed to to act in in these situations, in the

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jim murez: all of various comments that they were. You know that their whole, everything that you're describing recovered in the group of of city council motions. Um! And and there's a record of that on the Bnc's website um under the board minutes from last month,

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jim murez: so I think probably what we want to do at this point. There's there's no particular pressing anything in here. Maybe if you could go back and take a look at

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jim murez: what was passed by the board last month, and and see if there really is some issue there that the anti-bigotry that you're talking about wasn't already covered. I think it was. I don't think we use the the actual term in the motion. Um, but I think we referenced all of the community impacts. Davis, if you think that there's still a problem with it, maybe we do is bring it back next month and and revise it to only include what wasn't previously included. How's that sound?

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Joseph Murphy: Uh,

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Joseph Murphy: there's a limited time on this thing. Uh, from my personal perspective, and also on the uh, you know the demand, so that others that would have to go back and

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Joseph Murphy: do that research. So I prefer not to go that way and have you do whatever you wish with it, maybe to uh,

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Joseph Murphy: uh, I don't know how you would handle it otherwise. But uh,

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jim murez: well, I understand you that by by filing a community impact statement. We already took a higher level of action than what you're suggesting here.

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jim murez: We've already We've already officially filed something with the city council

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jim murez: that basically addresses everything you're saying here.

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jim murez: So why why would the board? Why should the board now go back and take this on? But yet one more time?

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Joseph Murphy: Yeah, I If that's the case, then uh, I leave it to you to dispose of it. However, it is that I I I think that I think that's probably what we need to do. I think we just need to move on. And you know, if you want to bring this back in the future, feel free to. But at this point I can't see any reason to send it forward to the board.

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Joseph Murphy: So is that because it was presented to you?

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01:20:49.310 --> 01:20:53.879
Joseph Murphy: What, what, what's been determined. I like to tell my committee what happened

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jim murez: if if we will not put this on the board's agenda, because this item has already been heard.

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jim murez: This item was already submit the the the basic context of what you're saying here was already submitted to the board, and the board already acted on it last month. I've heard your argument, so I have the other members who are present at the Adcom. Can you take a vote on that and let it go with that

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jim murez: Sure, we can take a boat on that. Um. Then we also have to take public comment which we can do. There's another committee waiting for us to, but we can do that too. Um,

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jim murez: let's see. How do we do this? So we need to have a motion made that we'll just send this back to committee. Would somebody like to make the motion?

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jim murez: Somebody on the committee?

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Jason Sugars: I'll make a motion to go back.

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jay: I'll second it.

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jim murez: Okay? Um, let me get the screen thing. Yeah, I'm working on it.

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Helen Fallon: I have to do both uh Helen, You i'm on an open public comment. Helen, you have your hand up. Go ahead, please. I would just suggest that you sending it back to the video and the timeframe in which it was discussed, or the and the minutes it was discussed. It was addressed. And I don't think there's much in that

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Helen Fallon: motion from the Discussion committee. The difference from what basically submitted already in the Cis. So just give them the back and give them the references.

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jim murez: Okay, thank you. Um. Any other public comment,

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jim murez: seeing no other public comment, public comment will be closed. Let's take a

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Ivan: Oh, do we have any committee comment Uh, Ivan? You were speaking, or can you mute yourself?

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jim murez: Okay, Can you mute yourself?

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Let's take a vote. Um, I will vote. Yes,

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jim murez: daffodils no longer. Here. J: How do you vote?

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jay: Yes,

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01:23:11.400 --> 01:23:12.630
jim murez: Nico.

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01:23:15.650 --> 01:23:16.690
Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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jim murez: Jason,

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Jason Sugars: Thank you. Um! A motion carries four zero zero

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jim murez: um!

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jim murez: And this item, I believe, was carried over by accident, although it was put in after the last Board meeting cut off um outreach committee

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jim murez: votes to approve the Vnc's participation in the Eleventh Annual

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jim murez: uh sign lighting. I believe that this was already heard. Does anybody besides me. Recall that month and you pass the budget. Yeah. So So this was. This was So we're just going to delete this in error. It's wrong place.

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jim murez: Okay,

711
01:24:13.250 --> 01:24:14.599
jim murez: um.

712
01:24:14.980 --> 01:24:16.639
jim murez: So do we have any

713
01:24:17.080 --> 01:24:20.769
jim murez: board comment of items? Not on the agenda,

714
01:24:21.760 --> 01:24:25.970
jim murez: and if not, i'm going to go start the loop back meeting thirteen minutes late.

715
01:24:26.120 --> 01:24:27.720
jay: I moved to adjourn.

716
01:24:28.900 --> 01:24:32.600
Ivan: Okay, give me a second about the standing rule. Thing.

717
01:24:32.880 --> 01:24:44.570
jim murez: Did did you do that? Yeah, That was already done. That's uh. Where is that? It was up here? Yeah, right here. Number Number twenty, two.

718
01:24:44.670 --> 01:24:47.929
Ivan: Okay. It was approved. Okay, Thank you.

719
01:24:49.570 --> 01:24:58.119
jim murez: Okay. Let's enjoy the meeting is over. It's seven, fourteen. Thank you, everyone, and we'll see you all on Tuesday.