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Paul Davis: Jim.

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Paul Davis: Uh, let me think Here, what's going on?

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Paul Davis: I still can't hear you. I wonder why i'm trying to figure this out.

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Paul Davis: Uh

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Paul Davis: Well, Jim, I see you on your uh what I believe to be your very handsome, excellent roof, but I can't hear your voice. On the other hand, um.

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Paul Davis: I know that.

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Joseph Murphy: Can you hear me?

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Joseph Murphy: Well, whatever I can't hear you now. I just heard you your mute on Turn off your mute Paul.

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Paul Davis: All right. How about now? Can you? Can you hear me?

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Joseph Murphy: I can hear you,

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Paul Davis: and Jim Mores is on a roof which is cool.

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Joseph Murphy: I can never but we can't hear him

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Paul Davis: all right. Well, Jim, we we have. We send you our very fond regards and our appreciation for your getting this meeting Set up, if you can hear us.

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Joseph Murphy: and uh, can you?

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Joseph Murphy: I I'll be the host and everyone

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Joseph Murphy: all would be the co-host I can't hear Jim Mirrors.

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Joseph Murphy: I can't hear him either.

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Paul Davis: All right. Something funny is going on. We miss him, you know. We know he's here in spirit.

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Paul Davis: He's here visually.

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Joseph Murphy: Yeah,

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Paul Davis: Well,

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Paul Davis: my guess is he's telling us that he's gonna

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at the road,

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Paul Davis: but we don't. We would always welcome him at our meeting. Of course

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Paul Davis: i'm trying to think so my

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Paul Davis: my headphones are not plugged in. My volume is up. I'm not muted, and my videos on. So I don't know what I could do to hear Jim better, but

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Joseph Murphy: I don't think so. I'm gonna try to call him

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That's cool.

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Paul Davis: I'll get some water. I'll be at that,

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Joseph Murphy: Jim.

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Joseph Murphy: Uh

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Joseph Murphy: we can see you, but we can't hear you on the uh on.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay? Well, then, that's That's uh That's that.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay? Good enough. I' all that.

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Joseph Murphy: Thank you. Goodbye.

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Joseph Murphy: Paul. Yeah,

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Joseph Murphy: uh, I just talk with Jim, and he doesn't know why he can't hear him, but he's made me the host of you the co-host. So we're ready to go.

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Paul Davis: So all we got to do is we got to watch for more participants coming in so we can let them in. I see

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Paul Davis: one attendee and the

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Paul Davis: Oh, yeah, we hear you now. Jim.

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Paul Davis: Yeah, I hear you. Can you hear me?

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Paul Davis: All right? We I don't. Know Why, But when it was doing wi-fi calling it wouldn't work. But now that it's doing uh

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Paul Davis: uh cell phone calling is working so all right? Well, we're full, anyway. You guys are in control, indeed. All right. Well, listen. Thank you so much. Have a good night.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay. You, too. Thank you.

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Paul Davis: And uh,

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Paul Davis: Joe, we have an attendee in the form of Erica Moore, and she's permitted to talk.

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Joseph Murphy: I didn't see her by any rate here. When I click on attendee, I see her there. Hello, Erica!

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Paul Davis: I think she's muted right now. But uh,

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Paul Davis: she she can do that. However, she likes.

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Erica Moore: Oh, here we go.

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Paul Davis: Hi, Erica!

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Erica Moore: I'm glad I made it. I was stuck at the ophthalmologist, so I thought i'd be at, you know, back in my office by now, but uh, literally just got back on the road,

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Paul Davis: all right, and I am going to try to open a few

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Joseph Murphy: um. Yeah, I don't see anybody else trying to log in yet, Joe, Do you want me to have our um?

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Paul Davis: Your exhibits opened up for screen sharing

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Joseph Murphy: uh screen share? The only the only thing that I think is well, It's the motion right? Because they have the promotion. Okay? Well, if we want to screen share that, I haven't ready, I think,

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Paul Davis: and i'm just trying. I'm monitoring the participants that anyone else comes in so we can shift over to them.

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Joseph Murphy: Yeah.

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Joseph Murphy: Oh, yeah.

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Joseph Murphy: So, Erica, how are you doing?

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Erica Moore: Oh, can Jim hear me right now.

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Joseph Murphy: Pardon me.

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Erica Moore: Okay? Well, I just wanted to let you know. Ignore my um email that I sent you. I usually have problems from my phone logging in the the links. Don't work for me. I can't click on them, but yours

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Erica Moore: worked. I'm so thankful.

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Joseph Murphy: Well, i'm glad that i'm glad you're in

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Erica Moore: about the way you set it up, but I was able to access it. Click on it and open the meeting.

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Joseph Murphy: Good! What about uh your mute and what you're. You're not muted so can you

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Joseph Murphy: turn turn on your video?

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Erica Moore: Um, I don't let me see if I can figure out how to do that

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Paul Davis: she's driving the most. So we probably don't want to distract her with too much video stuff.

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Erica Moore: Yeah, I mean, I can't really like watch while i'm driving.

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Erica Moore: Let's just go with audio and not truly isn't there. Yeah, I don't. I honestly don't see. I know I know where it normally is. The option to turn on video. But i'm not seeing that on my camera screen. Don't: worry about that. Just be safe. That's the key thing. Yeah, Okay. Yeah, Because I'm coming in from Hollywood. So

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Paul Davis: all right, we'll take your time. Be safe. Don't worry about that.

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Paul Davis: No problem. So um well, Eric, as you may have seen his past meetings. What we typically do at this moment is wait for a few for folks to join us in,

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so let's see what happens.

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Paul Davis: Um Erica the main um. One of the things we thought we might chat about tonight a bit is a motion that,

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Paul Davis: making a statement, and so well really in support. You're not being biased. Talk amongst city council members.

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Paul Davis: Um, and it's, you know. I was convinced that by the time we had this meeting daily on Sedillo would have resigned. But they haven't done that, I mean,

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Erica Moore: Oh, i'm not surprised. It's called Ego.

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Paul Davis: Yeah, you When the President and everyone else is like shaming you and dissing you, and

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Erica Moore: make it very clear that you've done a bad bad thing that you'd kind of get the message and the road. But you, you know the ego is a very powerful powerful.

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Paul Davis: These guys may think that if they hang in there everyone will forget at some point, whereas if they bow out they'll be kind of tarnished for life, I mean, who knows what they're thinking? But

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Erica Moore: I don't think I really don't know, and I Personally, don't want to waste my time trying to figure out what this thing it's not on the the wavelength. I want it right right. But this doesn't seem to likely to blow over too quickly.

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Erica Moore: So is it. Let me. Can I ask a question about about the draft?

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Paul Davis: Of course.

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Erica Moore: So is this a draft. That would be. It's It's just for this committee like this committee is saying, We stand with this, or is this something you wanted to be and see to adopt, because I know

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Erica Moore: my

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Erica Moore: that they adopted,

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Erica Moore: and that they're working there.

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Paul Davis: So, Joe, you want to answer that because I think our intent usually is to take these to the at large with the B. And C.

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Paul Davis: Joe, did you hear Erica's question?

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Paul Davis: Let me see um,

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Paul Davis: hey, Joe,

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Paul Davis: I think Joe is muted right now. I'm not sure why. But, Joe, uh

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Paul Davis: let's get him back online if we can.

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Erica Moore: Yeah, did you happen to go to the last B and C uh board meeting.

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Paul Davis: I did not, and um we'll see if Joe did he? I think he'll be coming back in on a second. Something happened to.

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Joseph Murphy: I just got a hold of Regan. I'm just trying to get a a core um available. I

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Joseph Murphy: call Joel, but couldn't get an answer. I left a message, and I called Reagan. I guess the only other person to call would be Mayor Niche, because John can't make it.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay, So Meredith is not not going to make it. John's not going to make it. That means that we're dependent upon getting Joel there, and I haven't been able, because Reagan is coming on now.

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Paul Davis: Okay?

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Paul Davis: Well,

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Joseph Murphy: so, Joe,

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Joseph Murphy: I I I have trouble getting a hold of two. Maybe you have a different number, and you can call or tell the get on board.

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Joseph Murphy: Let me try. Okay

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Paul Davis: and um! We have a person called Kalani W. Joining us. Hi, Colony! Can you hear me?

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Kalani W: Hello! Hi!

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Paul Davis: Hi!

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Kalani W: Hey! There,

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Kalani W: hi! There!

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Kalani W: I went through this last night with the

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Kalani W: at a Marvistor Council meeting. I do have a a concern

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Kalani W: uh I would like I would like. Well, you know that they they officially censured uh the individual. I would like to insert, support the censorship

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Kalani W: and

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Kalani W: and request the resignation, because

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Kalani W: you know,

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Kalani W: January sixth, has proven that these people could possibly get re-elected again.

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Kalani W: Because look at all all of those trees in this direction. It's we're running for offices, and I have cleared the primary and could possibly get to Washington the legal way. Um! So my concern is

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Kalani W: they have estimated It's gonna cost eight million dollars to replace Nori's seat. You know it. It's just as effective to censor them. Take away their committee, shit

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Kalani W: and render them ineffective and have them just sit there, and I'm okay with them, taking their salary for however long until they term out, and then and then hold the election because think of what this thing can do with twenty-four million dollars to possibly help our drug to get it and build a mental institution. Help our help Our Boys and Girls clubs, instead of forcing another election, and if they run again,

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Kalani W: their people could re-elect them

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Kalani W: so i'm not so keen on pushing resignation, i'm for censorship, taking away their committee assignments and regularly rendering them ineffective on the Council. Thank you,

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Joseph Murphy: Thanks, thanks, Koeni.

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Joseph Murphy: I I agree with the trust of what you're talking with. Uh, but i'd like to

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Joseph Murphy: when we get a core of i'd like to to speak on on the issue. So

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Paul Davis: the Joe I did just leave a message for Joel, but she didn't answer. So it may have been that I was calling the same number you were with Zoom now.

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Joseph Murphy: So

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Joseph Murphy: Hmm! We won't Have a call. I'm. Sure we won't be able to pass it. Here, let me get her uh

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Regan Kibbee: hi! I think I was approved. I think I was a proof to join. Can you hear me?

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Nice?

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Joseph Murphy: We have three out of six. We need four.

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Uh-huh!

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Kalani W: For you. Someone

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Kalani W: can Someone propose what I just stated as a friendly amendment.

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Joseph Murphy: Um, you know we can do. We have a quorum, and i'd like to see

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Kalani W: if you get a quarrel.

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Paul Davis: We're working on that now, Lonnie. Thank you for your your your points and sounds like Joe has a few things to say about that, and he will be that one If we get another person or two with us.

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Joseph Murphy: Um, I've got a call back into a

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Joseph Murphy: Hi, Joel.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay, we lack a quorum. There we won't be able to pass the motion.

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Joseph Murphy: Pardon me, no, you can't give me your vote, but if you could come on we could get the promotion dealt with some paths

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Joseph Murphy: right now. We're

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Joseph Murphy: okay. Well, if you come, we can do that.

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Joseph Murphy: Joel. I'm: having trouble. This is a hearing problem I have here in A. J. But I can't understand what you're saying. Should I? Could I call her Joe?

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Joseph Murphy: You want Paul to call you Okay, Paul,

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Erica Moore: Your cell phone?

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Joseph Murphy: Okay, Paul, would you call her? I couldn't understand

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Paul Davis: your cell phone. Okay, I think that is that the four hundred and twenty-six number. Or do you know, I fan

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Joseph Murphy: Pardon me.

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Joseph Murphy: Uh: Well, I'm gonna hang up so that Paul can call you Okay,

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bye.

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Joseph Murphy: Hello,

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Joseph Murphy: Okay,

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Erica Moore: Hmm.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay. So i'm waiting for Paul to get over to.

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Joseph Murphy: That's what it is.

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Paul Davis: Hey, Joe! She's going to join us now for uh ten minutes or so she's had a

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Paul Davis: sounds like a big day. But she's gonna come on now so we can have a talk about the motion and discuss Kalani's thoughts and your response, and then we'll do something one way or another. Yeah.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay.

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Joseph Murphy: Good enough.

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Paul Davis: So I'm watching for her at her family for attendees, and we should see her any minute here.

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Erica Moore: Okay. So what's uh

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Joseph Murphy: with her and Regan and you and me. That will give us a form. We can

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Joseph Murphy: start the meeting

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Paul Davis: and you were able to hear Kalani's point, Joe.

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Joseph Murphy: Yeah, I'd be willing to respond now not to respond because I agree with her. But essentially she's he's uh where where I you know I can't disagree with her her comments. But, uh what I

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Joseph Murphy: should I go ahead? I think I can go ahead right now, maybe let her know what i'm thinking, Why, don't you do that? And maybe we'll have to repeat part of that for for Joel. But we might as well say something now. Yeah, uh my purpose in writing it. The way it was was to make sure that it it's broad enough to cover future kinds of problems of this sort, and That's why I limited to

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Joseph Murphy: um bigger tree.

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Joseph Murphy: And all of those things that they did were were bigotry, and if there's any future bigotry of any sort, I want that to be what we're addressing,

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Joseph Murphy: and I'm. Also hoping that uh,

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Joseph Murphy: that it can uh be imitated, or at least uh

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Joseph Murphy: through contact with other uh

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Joseph Murphy: with other uh,

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Joseph Murphy: uh, with the Presidents of other uh neighborhood councils that we can get others to to similar uh motions, and that maybe that would help get rid of these

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Joseph Murphy: hey guys

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Joseph Murphy: now rather than later, and to make it impossible for them to

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Joseph Murphy: to uh

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Joseph Murphy: the most necessary to to be elected, we can't stop them from being re-elected, because they if they run and they get the votes, they're going to be re-elected. But we can

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Joseph Murphy: it extremely difficult for them to get those votes. If we get a number of neighborhood councils to go along with our

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Joseph Murphy: with our motion.

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Joseph Murphy: So that's that's why I leave it the way it is,

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Paul Davis: hey? Oh, here's Joel Kalani. One one thing that occurs to me along the lines of what Joe is saying, I mean, I think I feel like if if our constituent friends are are are doubled by these politicians into re-electing them it's kind of like our communities problem, I I think this, you know

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Paul Davis: i'm not really worried about people having the opportunity to re-elect them. People may reelect in which case they'll suffer, and under that leadership

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Kalani W: I think. Um! What is occurring throughout our nation is this? Um,

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Kalani W: I I don't know if you've heard especially many of our young people now use the phrase, you've got to see it to be it. Well, that promotes identity, politics, and I've seen Nuri on

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Kalani W: on it

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Kalani W: uh speaking to some, on some politicians um show, stating. Well, I don't see what we as being wrong. The city is now over forty percent hispanic. Therefore our Council should be over forty percent Hispanic. Well, that's not how democracies work

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Kalani W: we don't break down, based on racial lines it is. We vote for the bur, for the person we feel is most qualified for the job, and hopefully, it's not on racial lines that tears democracies apart. If we start voting based on ring, I am. I am your Eurasian i'm part white part Asian. So

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Kalani W: you know. So that is what we need to start a. You know we're probably all from the generation of where Robert F. Kennedy stated. Some people see things as they are, and ask why others dream things that never were and say, why not?

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Kalani W: You know I don't believe in You've got to see it to be it. I believe you should. You should be able to dream it to be it.

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Erica Moore: I agree with that, too,

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Kalani W: you know. See it to be. It is very limiting. We would have never gone to the moon, otherwise.

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Paul Davis: No, I totally agree. Um. Well, okay. So now, Joe, we have um Joel, with us for a limited time, and we do have a quorum now, so we could vote on your

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Paul Davis: motion, or we could agree to immediately revise it and keeping with things Kolate is talking about. Should I? Just why, Don't, I show the motion on the screen?

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Joseph Murphy: You're going to share it. There it is. Okay, Yeah, I think I have it on the screen right here Now, Does everyone see this thing?

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Erica Moore: Yes.

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Paul Davis: Will somebody be able to read it since I'm driving or not. It's okay, if you can't. But just kind of curious. I think I can read it. So let's see, so it's kind of longish uh the bottom line is There's a bunch of where, As's, and then the motion itself says:

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Paul Davis: It is therefore requested that the V. And C. Board adopt the following motion, and it's: whereas Clauses, Venice Neighborhood Council Board is in support of the discussion Forum Committee, and others who are calling for the resignation of elected la officials, whose actions are communications, reflect bigotry, including La City Council members identified, and the attached to Article ie. Norie Martinez, Gil Studio and Kevin de Leon.

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Paul Davis: So the basic,

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Paul Davis: the basic this is calling for their resignation, or any others that his actions or communications reflect bigotry in the future. Right, Joe.

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Joseph Murphy: That's that's right. And it applies not only to those three, but to any others that we run across in the future. It's It's a

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Joseph Murphy: uh It's written to be broadly applied, and to apply to bigotry, because bigotry is a many fascinated thing, as I think uh, uh,

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Joseph Murphy: it's poisonous, bad, and many fascinating. So that's the that's the motion, and we need a We need a

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Joseph Murphy: Make your in a in a second,

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Joseph Murphy: and i'll make the motion. Is there a second?

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Paul Davis: I'll second the motion. Joel is still muted,

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Paul Davis: too. Well, you might need to. Oh, there you are. Okay. So Joel can speak now to. Well, would you like to say anything about this? No, no, I listen to you, and I think that's what you say is great, all right. So. Um: Well, I I think in

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Kalani W: yeah, Kalani has one more point, Klani. Your hand is that you want to say one more thing? No, I just wanted to say, and my friendly amendment would just put in a few words in in front of resignation, put support. The immediate censorship which is just occurred

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Kalani W: the the immediate censorship, maybe possibly um immediate censorship Removal of committee chairs If and I believe that's been done. Okay and possible. And

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Paul Davis: the also supports resignation of blah blah blah!

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Paul Davis: Our process here and facilitates definitive action tonight with our little quorum. If we just leave it as it is, knowing that these guys have already been stripped of their assignments and censored. Is it? Can you buy that?

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Kalani W: Um, You know It's not a sort i'm gonna die on? I can, I can accept it. It's just that, my point being my point being is letting down downtown. La know that we support the censorship. Yes, that's a good first step, but we also would like to see resignation. Um! The one thing that was brought up at

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Kalani W: the Marvista meeting is that we need to also be careful that we're not supporting the thuds that are down there tying up our city government, because that's another extreme altogether, and we cannot.

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Kalani W: We cannot encourage that kind of January sixth like behavior in downtown. La, yes, we're all upset. But you do not stop stop our government because you know what checks Aren't going to go out. Budgets Aren't going to get passed. Things are not going to get done, and that just hurts everyone

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Paul Davis: all right. I think we do agree with you, I think, in the interest of getting things done. Now, I would propose that we uh vote on this motion as it stands, and take into account that your your advice is good,

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Paul Davis: and has been acted on in this case.

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Paul Davis: alright, so, I think. Did did someone second this or not. So far I could. I'll second it if no one else. You did already. All right. Very good. So maybe what we ought to say then is among uh Joe and Regan and Joel and I do. We have uh any.

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Paul Davis: What was that you? Well,

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Joelle: yes, okay. So everything is fine.

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Joseph Murphy: That's fine with me, and if Reagan agrees, that means that we have a unanimous

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Regan Kibbee: thanks. It's fine with me.

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Joelle: Okay. So, Joel, if you need to leave us, we understand, and we'll miss you, But we appreciate your coming on.

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Joseph Murphy: And uh, speaking of this,

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Joseph Murphy: Okay, Joe, what were you saying? Sorry.

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Joseph Murphy: The two they came at Erica and Kalani, who came to join us in uh tonight. Right? I really appreciate you coming, Joe. Do you want to do any more discussions, or should we call the meeting as a largely concluded as of now. I well, i'm willing to. We can call it concluded. We can call it. Uh

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Joseph Murphy: yeah, we can can. Uh

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Paul Davis: Well, hey, call it uh, Hi! Jared. So, Joe, how about a few um Explain Basically, to Kalani and Erica what what will happen with this motion next, just just for their uh info.

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Joseph Murphy: Okay, what happens is that this evening, right after we uh adjourn, I will uh make it a uh

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Joseph Murphy: an agenda request that we'll go to the Uh

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Joseph Murphy: Administrative Committee, the Venice Neighborhood Council Administrative Committee, and they will decide

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Joseph Murphy: whether or not to put it upon it. Put it on the next board agenda,

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Kalani W: and that's what it will be heard. I'll let you know when it is. But do you know, do know that they got to run, that I better do my Cardio walk. But do you know that if it does make the agenda, i'm going to bring up the same points that I brought up here. Thank you.

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Joseph Murphy: Yes, you're willing to. That's that's fine.

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Kalani W: So so just be prepared with answers. And um because I I do support it. I do support the general thought of it. I just wanted to fine tune it a bit.

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Kalani W: Okay. Have a good week, Bye, bye, Thank you for coming

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Joseph Murphy: uh, so we'll stand adjourned Then

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Joseph Murphy: I think I call it so. It Anybody else want to make comments now. No,

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Erica Moore: yeah, I I just have the comment I made earlier, which was at the last ad hoc, I mean at the last actual Vnc. Meeting. They had this happen from a different person who's on the board,

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Erica Moore: and they voted for that in the

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Erica Moore: So i'm just not sure

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Erica Moore: how that works, because it's like It's like the same thing. You know what i'm saying.

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Joseph Murphy: Yeah, Well, is it? Okay? I mean, I don't know, like I just

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Paul Davis: well. So I think, Erica, what may happen, and maybe maybe two already, said the side to go into the front door. But if if the admin committee sees this is largely having already been done, and they may just say guys, Thank you so much. We appreciate your input we've already done it. We don't need to take it further. I see. Okay, okay, just wasn't. I just didn't know if you guys were aware, because you know

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Erica Moore: Yeah, but isn't that right like the work that we're into this.

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Erica Moore: And I love Taylor's points as well. I think that. Um. I think that was a really

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Erica Moore: be. Be positive to craft that into there, too,

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Erica Moore: I think she Yeah, she's on target. She's saying good things for sure. Yeah, she she's always amazing. Well, we're happy to have her joints. Me, too. Yeah, I love I love her. She's right,

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Regan Kibbee: all right. Well, Erica, it sounds like we're going to wrap for the night, and we're really glad you came. Um, Regan. How are you doing over there? I'm Good. Um. Can you see me, or what can you see?

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Regan Kibbee: Oh, that's okay. I i'm on my phone and I didn't really see how to make myself visible. But that's okay. Having a bad hair day.

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Regan Kibbee: We think that's very unlikely, because you always look so nice. But oh, that's so nice. No, it's for for some reason. When I logged in today, I think it's because it's through the um. You know the the the Vnc. Zoom, or something. It doesn't seem to work the way it normally does like it. Isn't showing me showing me how to mute and not you. But it's not showing me how to show video or not video. Anyway, I am doing well. I'm: Thank you for calling. I'm so sorry that sometimes the time slips away, and I it's

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Paul Davis: that much gets to be much later than I thought I. I have to turn on my send an alarm to say, Hey, it's time for our meeting. Oh, yeah, I know about that kind of thing. Well, we're um. I mean, we seem to have made it happen. And I think tonight is a brief meeting, Joe Joe reminded me that next month we have Thanksgiving that would kind of block out, or you know, cancel our meeting, so

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Regan Kibbee: we could have some mid-month chats, but we'll probably have our next real meeting on December twenty second

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Paul Davis: all right. Well, everyone. Thank you so much.

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Joseph Murphy: Good bye,