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robertthibodeau: Hey, Bud,

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robertthibodeau: but you're driving.

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robertthibodeau: I can't hear you. You're You're either muted or your uh speakers. Not on.

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robertthibodeau: You got no sound

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robertthibodeau: post now. Okay, i'm. Host. Now

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robertthibodeau: I can't hear you dude.

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robertthibodeau: You got No, you got no uh, no sound on your end, or else i'm not hearing it on my end.

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robertthibodeau: Hello,

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robertthibodeau: New participants.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, My volume is all the way up.

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robertthibodeau: there you go.

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robertthibodeau: You can hear me now. I can hear you

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james murez: what you can hear me. I can hear you. Okay. So your host you have to do everything else from now. I got it. Okay, So you can promote a co-host. Yeah. Join if you can later. But uh, yeah, I've got a hurry. I've got a hurry home and schedule a meeting for loopak. They They wanted to start at seven, and i'm not at home. So I have to hurry home and and create a zoom link for him. But i'm doing that Now,

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robertthibodeau: that's good, and then i'll join your meeting. Okay, bye, bye.

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robertthibodeau: Okay,

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robertthibodeau: wait. I have to. Uh no, I have to figure out how to get out of here. So he doesn't have to listen. Still, hear you?

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robertthibodeau: Hmm.

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Evan Corrigan: Hello,

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robertthibodeau: hey? Hey?

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Evan Corrigan: How's it going?

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robertthibodeau: It's going? Good.

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robertthibodeau: Um. I can text, Allison, the only one. Oh, and there, as I said it,

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robertthibodeau: we got everybody.

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robertthibodeau: I see. Daniel Z. I see, Erica. I see a hunter. I see Mike S. And I see Steve Steve Meadows.

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robertthibodeau: okay,

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robertthibodeau: It is now seven hundred and two. We are calling this meeting to order,

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robertthibodeau: and I need a pen or the call to order. I'm going to grab a pen so I can note these things down.

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Robert. I can take notes.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, let's

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robertthibodeau: uh take a roll call.

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robertthibodeau: I see Evan

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robertthibodeau: here, Elizabeth

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robertthibodeau: Selena

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robertthibodeau: here, Allison Nice. We got a full house

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robertthibodeau: check. Jim was here, but has left for the moment and make him back.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, Review. Comment, adopt minutes from prior meeting. I am behind on that. So

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Evan Corrigan: we're going to sit tight on that one

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Evan Corrigan: on the website.

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Evan Corrigan: Uh, yeah, I sent them to you in German a link

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robertthibodeau: You can do that. We're going to do it next month. Okay, I think I owe three months now.

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Evan Corrigan: Okay, I I can take notes as well right now, and that'd be cool. That would help.

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robertthibodeau: They get things done faster for sure.

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robertthibodeau: Okay,

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robertthibodeau: uh

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robertthibodeau: so,

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robertthibodeau: Venice. Or do you want to do the abicenny traffic slowing thing first, which was originally brought to us by Daniel? If I remember right.

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Evan Corrigan: Um,

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robertthibodeau: it's listed for It's listed first. Here.

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Evan Corrigan: I don't care either way,

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Evan Corrigan: so it wasn't a I wasn't prepared yet, but i'll i'll pull it up.

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robertthibodeau: Um: Okay. So new business Number five is

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robertthibodeau: Kevin and Daniel, we're going to do a short presentation. Um,

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robertthibodeau: and uh, yeah. So why don't you take it away

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Evan Corrigan: cool uh pull them up here. I just I think we had um

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Evan Corrigan: public comment on non-agenda items

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robertthibodeau: Oh, i'm! Sorry Did I skip over that.

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robertthibodeau: Oh, business, public comment, not agenda items. I did skip over it. My bad. Okay, thank you. Public comment on on agenda items.

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robertthibodeau: I see two hands up, Erica.

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robertthibodeau: A lot of talk.

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Erica Moore: You should be a little. I can hear me. Okay, hey? Um, I just wanted to check in um about the Uh, when is my school Not having a proper place for the parents to pick up their kids that we are getting a lot of kids,

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Erica Moore: our parents parking with their vehicles two blocks away in front of my business, and please market uh they're, you know, in a one hour zone

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Erica Moore: and and a twenty minute zone, and they just pull up and wait for their children. And what's scary is these kids are running across Venice Boulevard. They're not all waiting and going in the Cross lock, and they're also flooding across, because parents are on the other side of the street.

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Erica Moore: Um, you know of Venice as well, so it's it's a safety concern, and I I really think that's something that needs to be um looked at, and I don't. I don't necessarily think this is your guys territory, but maybe it is. But we can't. Where is our recycling? Then from the corner we used to have one with the trash. Can.

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Erica Moore: We're next to a store. There's a tremendous amount of trash. There's bottles, hands,

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Erica Moore: and it's like we could be recycling it, but they somehow are recycling can disappeared, so i'm not sure if that's happening in other quarters around the city, but not having us. Thanks so much for listening.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks. Erica. Um. Maybe

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robertthibodeau: You could shoot me an email, and we could figure out if this something we talked to the principal. I mean, I I don't know if the parent thing is an Enforcement issue,

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robertthibodeau: or if it's something,

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Erica Moore: where are they literally supposed to go? I mean, you know what I mean, like they,

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Erica Moore: you know. I mean. I think this is a hover in the middle of the street. I mean It's It's really crazy that they redid, I mean. You know we could talk to the school about what their their policy is. You know what it is. They They They did a construction job to it. They did a bunch of revamping, and they didn't think that through properly.

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Erica Moore: And there's you know. I mean, that's why these That's why all of these projects really need to have the sequel, and have all of the studies done that are correct, because it does impact the community in really different ways. And if you Don't, do these different types of surveys. And really look at data. That's real time data,

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Erica Moore: you. They're making four decisions that are impacting different areas.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, at the same time, It's also. Uh, you know how much can you really control parents? I mean.

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robertthibodeau: But okay, let's let's move on. But maybe ping me with an email, and we'll try and figure something out.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, and let's talk to Kalani. I'm going to put you on. Allowed to talk.

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Kalani W: Hello, Her colony Whittington here uh long time West Side stakeholder over thirty years in the community. I

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Kalani W: attended the Congress of neighborhoods this past weekend before last,

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Kalani W: and um!

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Kalani W: There are only about one hundred people showed up.

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Kalani W: That's less than one. Uh considering We have ninety-nine neighbors, councils, Each neighborhood council has at least a dozen members, even those who are supposed to have interest in this participatory democracy experiment

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Kalani W: Aren't even showing up. And it was so easy you could have shown up from anywhere in the world via Zoom, and very few people did. My point being

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Kalani W: I am.

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Kalani W: I was

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Kalani W: drawn to examine the Neighborhood Council system. That's been in effect for twenty years, and we still have less than one tenth of one percent stakeholder participation. It's a failed experiment. It's time to sunset this experiment and try something new in trying to get people to engage civically. I have made a proposal in front of

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Kalani W: maybe more outreach. Um! Get them when they're young. Bring back

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Kalani W: teaching civics in school, because by the time someone's in their twenties they're either building a resume or uh, or retiring uh and participating when they can in neighborhood councils. So, instead of wasting the tens of millions we do each year, and this year with an election, though even more millions are going to be wasted.

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Kalani W: It's, you know, if Joe Biden could sunset Afghanistan after twenty years, we can pull the plug on Neighborhood Council system. It's a failed project. That being said, I recently found out,

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robertthibodeau: and many of our neighborhood councils have been flooded with special interest. They're also flooded. We've got to cut you off for one second colony. If you've got something that's parking and transportation related, I mean, I've I really appreciate what you're saying, by the way, and yes, I do. And even though I sit on the Neighborhood Council. I'll tell you what I largely agree with what you're saying. But we got to keep it on transportation just to keep Okay, actually, actually, at the Neighborhood Council, they said, You um

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robertthibodeau: as long as I don't swear public comment can be made on anything.

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Kalani W: But i'm going there. I'm going there with regard to special interest, I recently found that streets for all is highly highly run by uh former bird employees. And

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Kalani W: so that's a special interest group trying to take control of our streets in our city, combined with proposition thirty being funded by Lyft. You know these are renegade organizations that flooded our streets without going through the proper channels to to place their businesses in on our in our city. And now they're trying to take over our streets, and we need to fight back to control our streets instead of allowing

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Kalani W: a renegade that type of business I don't know how many of you saw the the movie about Lyft and Bird and their wars, and how they treated women in the workplace. It's not. It was not. It's not a pretty place to work, and the way they're invading our city streets and our neighborhood Council meetings and transportation committees whenever something important comes up that they're trying to push an agenda, for we've also heard them,

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Kalani W: and how militant and rule they are. That's the way they conduct their business, and that's the way they're trying to take over our streets. Remember streets for all highly run by former bird executives. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, Thanks a lot. Klani: And yeah, I didn't mean to be rude. There. I was just trying to keep it on the transportation thing. All right.

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robertthibodeau: We're gonna move into uh new business, and uh Evan Daniel two-headed monster take it away. Um,

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robertthibodeau: I You should already have control of the screen, Evan, as a co-host. If you have problems with it. Let me. Know.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah. And, Daniel let me just. I mean, i'm gonna present some just thought starters. You know some research that I personally did on that section of that. And, Kenny, you're talking about. So basically Daniel came to this committee like

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Evan Corrigan: a few months ago at this point. Um! And a lot of the neighbors were trying to get cars to slow down on that section of avid, can you? Between Venice and Washington?

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Evan Corrigan: Uh, and then they're trying to get. You know, more people to stop at that crosswalk um at Mar Street.

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Evan Corrigan: Um, And I think another issue you brought up was

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Evan Corrigan: the city had recently paved over the kind of the side of advocacy. Um with a darker asphalt, and it made it kind of confusing,

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Evan Corrigan: You know where bikers are supposed to be.

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Evan Corrigan: I guess cars are driving faster. Um, and Daniel chime in. If any of that, you know, if that sounds right to you, or if you have anything to add

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robertthibodeau: uh, I think you need to allow me to you to talk. There you go. But

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Daniel Z.: hello, hi! That sounds great. Yeah, that's accurate.

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Evan Corrigan: Um, Robert, If you just I think you need to let me

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Evan Corrigan: enable participants screen sharing. Okay,

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robertthibodeau: Hey? Coast? Okay, your host. Now I want it back there. Okay,

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Evan Corrigan: let's see here,

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Evan Corrigan: cool.

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Evan Corrigan: So I mean honestly, I I don't live on avocado.

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Evan Corrigan: I bike, you know, through it a bunch of times. But these are just more like thought stars some things that could be done to improve the you know experience for everybody on Everkini um in that section between Venice and Washington.

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Evan Corrigan: Um.

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Evan Corrigan: So this is just like a little mood board. So mar that that crosswalk. Um:

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Evan Corrigan: yeah, I should pull this up on the map.

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Evan Corrigan: So there's a crosswalk here.

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Evan Corrigan: Um! Between this is Venice.

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Evan Corrigan: This is Washington.

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Evan Corrigan: Um! There's this little crosswalk here to this little street called Mar. You know it can be kind of not visible for some drivers um, especially when there's you know, sunset light coming in. Um. So this is kind of an idea. Maybe a raise cross block.

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Evan Corrigan: Um on this section about the can. There's also like a lot of these like slip lanes and big open spaces of concrete. Um that are,

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Evan Corrigan: you know, maybe just a remnant of like what the street used to be back in the early days of of Venice.

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Evan Corrigan: So maybe we could, you know, fill some of those in um add more planters, possibly add more bike lanes.

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Evan Corrigan: Um. So currently the bike lanes are unmarked, and they give the appearance of like super wide road for the cars

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Evan Corrigan: and some some cars definitely. Not all um, you know. Use this wide space to make up time. Maybe they're stuck on out of it. Can you like in traffic and the commercial section?

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Evan Corrigan: And they kind of like, maybe speed through this section of avocado?

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Evan Corrigan: Um, sometimes.

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Evan Corrigan: so potentially. So this is what it looks like right now. How we can either center torn land parking on each side

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Evan Corrigan: This is, you know that view I showed you. There's that big slip lane and open parcel of concrete. So these kind of encourage drivers to go a little bit faster as well.

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Evan Corrigan: So I think the most viable thing here, you know. I mapped out

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Evan Corrigan: the section of the road. It's about fifty foot um fifty, fifty feet wide. Um! And there's not really like

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Evan Corrigan: enough room for protected by claims, but

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Evan Corrigan: simply just, maybe just striping those bike lanes instead of having shareouts, and maybe adding a little bit of uh striping buffer and green paint could really really kind of help delineate the space. And you know, keep bikers on the side, and

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Evan Corrigan: um

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Evan Corrigan: keep keep drivers in the middle.

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Evan Corrigan: Uh, and to do that, you know, you would have to take away that center, turn lane.

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Evan Corrigan: Um. But this option of keeping the bike lanes, and then the and then and then the driving lance. Um, There's like ever emergency vehicle access needed, you know cars could always pull over to the side um into the bike lanes, and you know the bikers food

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Evan Corrigan: um pull over even further.

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Evan Corrigan: So I mean just from like mapping it out. I I don't think there's room for protected bike lanes.

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Evan Corrigan: Um. The only way to do that would be to remove

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Evan Corrigan: parking, but I I don't think

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Evan Corrigan: I mean Daniel can let me know. But I I just don't think that uh residents and and business owners on advocacy will. Uh,

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Evan Corrigan: we'll go for that.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, that sounds right. Yeah. But like,

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Evan Corrigan: you know, if if the center turn lane was removed, and this is exactly the treatment that the city did on Rose. So they remove the center turn lane, or they're going to remove it and put in

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Evan Corrigan: uh six foot wide uh bike lanes, and like a two foot

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Daniel Z.: I mean that alone. E: What happens? People pull up in with the crosswalk issues, you know. You get honking and people sort of questioning why someone slowed down, and then, instead of using the center lane to take a left or so, they're using it to pass, and they just rip around the the car. So taking that out is, it would be a significant improvement.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah,

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Evan Corrigan: I mean, yeah. Personally, I think that could be

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Evan Corrigan: a really great idea. And again they're doing. They're about to do the same thing on Rose.

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Evan Corrigan: And this configuration, you know, always allow, like emergency vehicles to get through um, if need be,

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Evan Corrigan: and these would not have Ballards. But these would just be kind of painted buffers.

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Evan Corrigan: Um, So that's that, you know. I think that could be really helpful. Um, I don't know if anybody has any comment on that. So the other thing

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Evan Corrigan: uh would be these like kind of big slip lanes and funnels. So

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Evan Corrigan: you know, Ab. A Kennedy is fifty foot wide, and then these streets, like Woodland Angela's place. I think a few more get really narrow, but they have these like

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Evan Corrigan: you know. Nobody likes like these white ballots that they're putting up everywhere, but maybe painting those in um as like a low cost. First step could be really cool. And uh adding in some of that like Venice creative spirit to big concrete area at a low cost. Um!

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Evan Corrigan: And then, maybe in the future those could be like, you know, actual planted bump outs with trees. And

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Evan Corrigan: Uh, Okay, that's that section.

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Evan Corrigan: So the last thing I think that you're talking about Daniel was that Mar sidewalk?

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Evan Corrigan: Robert. Correct me if i'm wrong. That's like a dedication like a sidewalk,

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robertthibodeau: right now. It's just, you know, two power polls and utilities, and like I've I've wondered that it's um. It's a little hard to know without actually having a survey, and um, you know it's. It definitely appears to be about four feet of space over there, and I've flipped it that a couple of times.

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robertthibodeau: and I suspect that would need to be relocated. Um! Which isn't impossible. But

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robertthibodeau: and it's hard to know exactly how much space you have there. I mean, I I love the idea of putting a side walk in there, and frankly, even if you were to narrow down

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robertthibodeau: the roadway a little bit, I think it's a great idea, just because then people would be on the sidewalk and and

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robertthibodeau: not sharing the roadway, and then I think it would make both a lot safer. But

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robertthibodeau: but yeah, it's It's a little hard to tell without a survey.

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robertthibodeau: I look. I've looked for the pins there, too. I I didn't see any

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Evan Corrigan: there there are. Oh, you mean the markers, the corner Markers Survey markers. Yeah on zoom, as there's like, you know. I think it's five five from the measuring tool on zoomus. But um! There are like two power poles in that section. There's some sort of uh utility box.

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Evan Corrigan: to maybe bump this out a little bit, so they've done that a lot in Santa Monica. They just bumped out the curve, And here's a kind of diagram what that would look like. So the crossing space is a bit shorter, it's more visible. You could even like

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Evan Corrigan: go so far to like paint the crosswalk a cool design, or you know, more reflective color.

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Evan Corrigan: here's like that real thing where you's cross one there's some tools to make it more visible to cars, and um,

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Evan Corrigan: you know, make sure people can get across safely. So I think the problem like I was biking down that um, and the sun was shining like super low, and like I, you know I I couldn't even see across like there, like even on my bike. Um! I couldn't even see the lights flashing

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Evan Corrigan: certain times a day.

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Evan Corrigan: Um, so I think those those tools could help it Make a lot. Um make it a lot more visible.

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Evan Corrigan: And uh, you know anybody can chime in and dissect anything

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Daniel Z.: just to add like. I I think that this looks great, and then um the you know it's regular cars. It's it's tourists. It's people that live here. It's delivery trucks it's the big blue bus It's the Venice, you know, motor club every three weeks. I mean they go forty-five on their motorcycles One hundred and fifty motorcycles through there because they can

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Daniel Z.: it's, like, you know, the raised something like the raised walk, and like really condensing it, because Abbott Kenny is like that where there's these moments it's like, you know, there aren't as many cars and people just just tear through

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Daniel Z.: um, and there has to be, I think, the priority on the pedestrian to sort of force. And have you know, the the motorists just slow down to know that this street

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Daniel Z.: you can't do that, or you're gonna hit somebody there. And I think that people need to get conditioned.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, yeah, I I agree with you. I think it's just like the road widens up super wide at some point, and it just looks like you can just really. I mean that what you've got photo right there shows it. It looks like you can drive fifty-five right there.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah. And it's just a maybe a problem with too much space, and like i'm biking. But that's like,

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Evan Corrigan: you know, coming from East Venice. That's where you get to the margin broad trail to go around the Marina on down our street and Oxford,

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Evan Corrigan: and I've like done that a lot, and sometimes i'm like, Where am I supposed to be like? It's kind of confusing by grand driver.

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Evan Corrigan: the public? Let's see here,

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Evan Corrigan: you got twenty. Eric Kamara is going to hand out.

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robertthibodeau: Oh, I'm: Uh: yeah, you're the you you got to give me back to host or uh, or you gotta handle it. This is the time where I take public com right you to public and then board. We don't have a meeting. We don't have a a motion, so maybe this is a discussion. Unless Um,

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, can we have a discussion and to make a motion? Because I feel like

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Evan Corrigan: sounds good,

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Evan Corrigan: Erica. You can. Uh, you should be able to talk now.

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Erica Moore: Oh, there we go. Can you hear me?

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Erica Moore: Okay, Great? Well, thank you so much for bringing this to the to this um committee. I really like your ideas, and I think that um

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Erica Moore: one of the things that I think is so important that we really need to think about is the green scaping and the shade cover, and I think if there were some trees and some of those dead spaces um that could help with that crazy lighting that you're talking about. That's blinding.

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Erica Moore: I agree with you that it is very wide, and it is confusing and hard to tell, and it does look like it does get this illusion that you can just drive like a bat out of hell which is not safe really for anybody. So i'm hoping that Um, you guys can put something together that um maybe maybe talk to Isabel Deluvier

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Erica Moore: that she, you know, does work with the city, and she is, uh, really well versed with the with planting, you know, getting some sort of native trees, possibly in some of those spaces. I love the idea of the like. The raised up sections. Um, you know what I mean, and I love the painting. That's really fun, and that's very ben,

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Erica Moore: you know. Maybe some of the local artists or someone else

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Erica Moore: could could get in on that. You could make this a really nice community project That would be, they could say for everybody. Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: Thanks for the comment.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, I think um.

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Evan Corrigan: We had talked about. You know this would be a great place for trees.

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Evan Corrigan: I'd be all in for that. I don't know if La, do you have like line of site regulations for that type of thing,

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Evan Corrigan: But there's not super wide uh parkways on sections of the street. So

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Evan Corrigan: um a parking space that could be dedicated to um

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Evan Corrigan: Um thanks, Erica. I will ask.

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Kalani W: Yes, um,

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Kalani W: thank you. You've obviously put a lot of thought into this. Um! But before we start um

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Kalani W: on what's already, I have never been on Abbott Kenny. In last few years

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Kalani W: uh Pre Covid Post, Covid, where people where I've had the opportunity to actually speed down Abbott Kenny. So let me know what hours that are. Those are, and i'll try to make sure I'm on Abicenny. At those times

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Kalani W: it drives me crazy. But before you, if you do any kind of lane reduction for that back. Is there anything like that? I heard you to study uh get this actual community outreach business, outreach um, And if we're going to start speeding

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Kalani W: um more of our we to start discussing when we go to stop forcing and dating that cyclist registration license. And since most of our cycle cyclists are not turning.

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Kalani W: I see bikes are motorcycles, and if you're getting it by any bike or anything,

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Kalani W: you will do somebody or something damage. So we start acquiring. Our cyclists have insurance uh license

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Kalani W: that they're I have to. Friday it um Mexico, safely just like a motorcyclist. I think we need to start

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Kalani W: uh discussing seeing Red Springs. I forgot seeing our city streets uh to most cyclists, and I'm. I'm not for that. In certain areas Abbot Can is a major boulevard. So that's something i'm open to. But I do urge you Traffic studies community outreach in

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Kalani W: including with the businesses in the area. And with regard to trees, you know, we all want shady, but their old trees are not to tolerant, and

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Kalani W: and many development trees, mainly by the shading that you're after. If you're going for green, that one thing um drought tolerant trees can be quite beautiful with regard to the

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Kalani W: It's a you need to, and city um

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Kalani W: so you need to also ensure that upkeep of water ring where you put in is put into the budget. Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, definitely. Have to do a lot of outreach.

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Evan Corrigan: I don't see anybody else's handout

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elizabeth clay: down for whatever. How about I just rule because i'm going to be just reiterating what a lot of people said. But um! I live in the triangle right behind, so I can't even tell you how many near death experiences I've either had or nearly witnessed. Right there. I've I've literally hauled tourists back who are just blindly stepping out

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elizabeth clay: used to be That zinc was on the corner. People were halfway walking home and trying to get across that road. It's I mean. It's an awful spot, and it is it does screen. Please speed here because it is a straight away.

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elizabeth clay: it's a special paint that we need right to go on that tarmac I did. I did something similar up in Canada and a downtown core, so I I think it can't be like

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elizabeth clay: you know, have a contest and get an artist to do it like a joules monk. It might right on that point that

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elizabeth clay: maybe getting people to think that we could do something terribly community oriented. But I think if you can get even the simplest of patterns on there, that would be um just huge inroads, and, as I guess, cities half out of paint from what I heard last time, so that two colors are left over from somewhere. I think we should take it and run

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elizabeth clay: um, but something has to be done, and I notice they put those those white um

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elizabeth clay: What do we call these things? I call them stance that is ugly posts. Um at the corner of Washington and Abbot,

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elizabeth clay: and it's made a huge difference, because I turn. I used to turn off, or I still do turn. Harrison, when you come down off Harrison, take a right on to out that it used to be a death trap because people were coming around the corner from Washington. So they do. They do help.

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elizabeth clay: They're just but ugly, uh, and but there's there is no doubt that I think if we ring a lot of bells.

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elizabeth clay: We could get some action in this area because there have been so many insurance incidents. And I wonder if we couldn't even get

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, I think everybody doesn't like those white.

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Evan Corrigan: But it is something.

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Selena Inouye: I think i'm concerned about that crosswalk that goes across Abukini because isn't there a bend in the road there,

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Selena Inouye: and i'm wondering if a better solution for that is,

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Selena Inouye: crossing light for the pedestrians that they can push it, and it would turn a light

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Selena Inouye: red, so that they're even safer to cross the street there.

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Selena Inouye: Um! I also like the idea of the raised um crosswalk, or what it. What it really is is a speed table, and that will um make a driver slow down as well. Um, I know they put several speed tables on Pacific

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Selena Inouye: Um, and I think that it's helped a lot in that neighborhood. Uh with with speeding, so that might be something else to look at, although it could potentially make it more difficult for the Department to get down that street if they use it with any frequency. Um,

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Selena Inouye: and just a last note about the painting I know in my vista. They painted a mural on the at an intersection, and it's gone. Now it completely faded away.

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Selena Inouye: They did the same thing in Culver City with their downtown uh changes, and that's already peeling away. I think it's it's been installed within the last six months. So there's some issue about the painting and it not lasting. And um,

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Selena Inouye: I I think, in both the incidences those were community projects, and they did get it a local artist to do the painting and Marvista. But there's some There's something that needs to be worked out with the paint, because it's just not lasting. So just to put that out there.

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Selena Inouye: That's it. Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: not that visible. Sometimes I think this is now kind of creating new this hot weekends that are

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Evan Corrigan: that lines,

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elizabeth clay: if I can interrupt you there to people see that they hit the button for that flasher, and then they think they're good to go. Let's go for it. It's like this false sense of confidence that people are actually going to stop like

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Selena Inouye: Yeah, yeah, I think making that a red light for the the vehicular traffic would just make that so much safer for the pedestrians. That's what I was trying to get out.

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robertthibodeau: Um, that's it. I don't know uh Robert gonna go for it. Yeah. So you got That's my corner. And uh, because I live on that, I live there. You get my. You got my house twice. You get my house on this one, and then you get my house on the Woodlawn. One, two on your other photograph. Yeah, i'm behind that those white houses.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, no, it's all good. But yeah, i'm at that corner. You guys are talking about right now. Agree it's a dangerous corner. Um cross it all the time.

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robertthibodeau: that. And I I think other people do, too. Um, we live on the streets,

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robertthibodeau: I think one thing that's fairly consistent. Um, and this I I done. I drove Venice today, And one thing that's fairly consistent is that Um,

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robertthibodeau: the bike lanes are with the share. Those are very, very poorly marked. And um

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robertthibodeau: yeah, I I don't understand why you know people are talking about budget, this budget that. But, uh, why, in a wealthy city we can't uh paint, paint the bike lane screen, or or whatever chosen color, you know, and and really take it a little bit more seriously than uh in every

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robertthibodeau: you know couple of hundred yard uh white arrow that no one sees. Anyways,

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robertthibodeau: I think if I had a perfect perfect uh or not perfect, but the plan that I would like would be to keep.

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robertthibodeau: Keep the turn lane where you needed the turn lane, plant the center where you didn't need to turn Lane, so you get trees down the center instead in the power lines,

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robertthibodeau: Um,

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robertthibodeau: and I I think there's so with to do that, you know i'm not a traffic engineer, but I think there's a with to do that. Um!

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robertthibodeau: And I love the graphics in your presentation, and the ideas of like shortening up the wood lawn

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robertthibodeau: yeah, I think it's a really good idea. Woodlands the main one that has that problem uh the other ones. I are all pretty tight. Um!

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robertthibodeau: you you had it you had you had it on that. That was the picture that you had uh drawn the the circles in.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, that's the big one in front of the Jehovah's. Witness church,

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robertthibodeau: the other ones, the other ones don't seem to people don't whip around the corners, and the other ones Angela's little bit. But um,

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robertthibodeau: the other ones are pretty tight.

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robertthibodeau: So anyway, I guess that's my two cents. You know better defined bike lanes. Maybe

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robertthibodeau: the middle Turn lane, but only we're necessary because they're not super heavily used, but they are used.

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robertthibodeau: And uh, I think the improvements at the Mark crosswalk with the overhead. Blinker thing is a great idea.

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robertthibodeau: The The current one is better than it was before. But um, but not as good as it could be.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, yeah, I uh, with the center turn playing thing.

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Evan Corrigan: according to zoom it's just measuring it out. It's like fifty to fifty, four feet,

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Evan Corrigan: and I just couldn't make that one work with um the parking protects

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robertthibodeau: If you swap the bike in the parking, though, would you need as much park to protect? Because uh the extra three to four feet on each side of the street. Um!

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robertthibodeau: If the cars themselves were the protection from the other cars as they they park.

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Evan Corrigan: So the the the bike lane with, I believe, from the city, is like six foot minimum, and if you're on a parking protected like you need another

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Evan Corrigan: So that was the issue there. I I just couldn't. I couldn't make it work at least what I knew from the the city guidelines on that.

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Evan Corrigan: I couldn't make it work without moving parking,

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Selena Inouye: so there are uh parking protective bike lanes, other places that don't use as much space as the ones that as the one like on Venice Boulevard does right now, where they actually have the cars right next to the bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: It does create that door zone with when the passenger doors are opened. Um! But I would think there would be potential ways around that by doing that dashed line down the bike lane to indicate where the door zone was. Um,

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Selena Inouye: so on a on a street that's not as wide. That might be a practical application,

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Selena Inouye: but I guess it's up to the city, and whether or not they would consider that.

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Daniel Z.: Yeah, Daniel. Um, I think we did. You want to talk more? Had your hand out for then? Yeah, Can you hear me? I was just gonna say um the left turn. If the lanes for

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Daniel Z.: um. Some of the other um streets remain, at least there needs to be much better uh crosswalks, I mean onto Victoria coming uh east to west, you can with I mean, people around Nick Fouquet.

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Daniel Z.: People whipped there Right? Yeah, right there going on, Victoria. And there's no crosswalk. No one knows that's a big one. Um! That corner like this. Stop, I mean, these are such simple things like no one knows where you like. The crosswalk is in front or behind, and I've seen that on

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Daniel Z.: streets going down in Boccaccio

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Daniel Z.: has a crosswalk, but there's nothing there. Yeah,

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Daniel Z.: and It's also makes the whole street much wider. Yeah, it's a stop. But you can see your super close to where the sort of street gans and people that's supposed to be the bike lane right there. That black strip was the new asphalt,

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Daniel Z.: but you can see people just use it, as you know, part of the road. Um,

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Daniel Z.: but it it does seem like there are spots where there's a lot of whipping around still, so at least like crosswalks that are solid, and

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Daniel Z.: using I I for nothing of them. The corner painted uh spaces in my presentation, the first one there was that I could look up like what they, because it's been done in some other cities. Right is painted and find out what those groups are using. Um,

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, that's the other thing. I forgot. I mean you could a crosswalks on all these

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Evan Corrigan: Um! I don't know why there's not. But you know there's one of them Gotcha woodlong would right there have. I mean, right now. Yeah, there, there's nothing.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, all of us.

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Evan Corrigan: I think that's it. I feel like we kind of talked over the same points.

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Evan Corrigan: Um! Is there a way way we can find out about that, You know Bike Lane protective requirement from the city,

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Evan Corrigan: I guess. Like what we need to be here.

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Selena Inouye: You probably should start by talking to Eric Graham and Bonnan's office and see what he has to say about it.

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Selena Inouye: He'd probably be the best to know. Um,

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Evan Corrigan: I Yeah, I did. I actually talked. I was talking to about something else just like from looking at it. He was like there's not enough room for parking, protected by.

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Evan Corrigan: But maybe we could. I could go to him with a few

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Evan Corrigan: and see what they think.

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robertthibodeau: So Where do we want to? Um. I think we should continue this into try and do this as one one more before we make a motion on it. I mean that would be. My motion is, I don't think we're in a rush on this. Um, because this is something we've taken on as opposed to something where there is a specific comment period

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robertthibodeau: and another thirty days of uh looking at configurations.

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robertthibodeau: Um, so that we could have a coherent um cohesive, I mean, I think the presentation is fabulous, and I think that uh, I would love to send it out

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robertthibodeau: Council Office and and and to do it, and see if we can get a meeting with them. Yeah, maybe even if we were to make a motion, we were to take one more. Maybe we invite the Ot and the Council Office to the next meeting, which they did not do this time for this.

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Evan Corrigan: Okay, yeah, that sounds good. And the thing is like We're thirty days to an election, and

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robertthibodeau: it's going to be Christmas. This is not going to be done, you know. Yeah, it's this. So So I guess my motion would be no motion, and continue this to next time. And, Daniel, I hope I think it'd be better in this case to

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robertthibodeau: have a have a I mean, I think the plan is very good, but I think

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robertthibodeau: I think we could. We could take another thirty days to sort of uh

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robertthibodeau: put it in as a

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robertthibodeau: Co. Here in a form as possible. If you don't object to that, I agree.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, So uh,

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robertthibodeau: So there, unless somebody else is going to make a motion. I I don't even really think that is a motion. We're just agreeing to continue it.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, awesome. Do you want to say something

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Alyson Wilson: just wanted to hop in and tell you how much I appreciate this incredibly detailed and thoughtful level of work. And I think about all the kids who are going to trying to get to Cordeline on the bikes, or maybe would try if we could execute on something like this. And I also think it's really prudent. The comment that was made about

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Alyson Wilson: um, how timing is everything! This is so good I would like it to be heard, and it might be useful to wait for a more um public facing Council Office to present this to

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Alyson Wilson: in the New Year, because it's just too good to be ignored.

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robertthibodeau: Cool: Yeah, it's lovely. It really is

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Evan Corrigan: super easy tool to make these diagrams like free online. So I didn't know too largely.

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Alyson Wilson: You're very fancy you didn't render out each tree on your own.

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Evan Corrigan: Thanks, Uh, thanks, Daniel, for you know, bringing this to us. It's all something we've like thought about for a long time. And

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Evan Corrigan: now we have that kind of emotion, you know, going for it. So it's. I think that's pretty cool.

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Daniel Z.: That's great. I I I appreciate everyone considering it. Yeah, deeply.

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robertthibodeau: Okay. Um. So with that, let's conclude. Item Number five and keep moving. Um. We have number six speedway safety improvements. And we that was brought brought to us by Steve and um. I think Steve's here, Steve, did you? You said you wanted five or ten, five minutes, ten minutes something like that, right?

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robertthibodeau: Uh we need to. We need to get you talking, don't we you need. Do you want to either make me host to Evan, or do you want to ask them to? Uh unmute

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robertthibodeau: talking? Permitted Steve. You should be uh talking for a minute, and then I think you have to make him a co-host if he wants to present graphic material.

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Evan Corrigan: I'm not sure.

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steve meadows: Uh you have to do it from your end I can't do it.

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Evan Corrigan: Can you. You see the green screen share button at the at the bottom there. Um,

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steve meadows: but um!

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steve meadows: I got the mic

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steve meadows: uh that that the same system No, nothing else.

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Evan Corrigan: What else? How do I make you?

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Evan Corrigan: Do? I do. I make them a host. Yeah, I think that's what you have to do.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, you should need to be able to make him a panelist or a host.

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Evan Corrigan: How do I make you host again, Robert?

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robertthibodeau: Uh! There should be something where either I can reclaim it. I always have trouble finding that you host your host now,

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robertthibodeau: Okay, Steve, you should you have a green button now a screen share button.

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robertthibodeau: You gotta unmute to Steve,

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robertthibodeau: Steve. You're muted,

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robertthibodeau: Steve. Can you hear me?

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steve meadows: Bye,

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robertthibodeau: Yup! We heard you for a second.

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robertthibodeau: I think you're probably speaking right now. No one can hear you.

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steve meadows: No. Now, Now i'm speaking, you are. You're good, All good. Awesome. Okay? Um, yeah, I've had a house here for the past twenty years. I've seen a lot of problems.

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steve meadows: Um, I want to just go through this fairly quick and see what the issues are. Let's just start with a lack of stop signs

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steve meadows: uh between. Uh, I guess it's Marina Court and uh thirtieth place one point five miles there's only five stop signs if the access streets. So if you go down to the next page,

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steve meadows: you can see every place it says, No, this is an access street on Speedway, running north to south, starting at Marine Court, going thirtieth. Place about one and a half miles. There's no stop signs at the end of any of these alleys

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steve meadows: where it says, Yes, these are stop signs. So you've got one, two, three, four, five, and this whole span of one and a half miles.

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steve meadows: If you go to the next photograph you'll see where these five stop signs are located.

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steve meadows: This one is thirteen and a half feet wide here, and this stop sign over here. This doesn't make a lot of sense. This one's fourteen feet. There's a stop sign seventeen, sixteen, nine and seventeen yet, with the twenty foot wide streets

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steve meadows: accessing speedway, there is no stop sign.

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steve meadows: Um! So let me go back. So that's just to stop signed

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steve meadows: uh the lack of speed. Limit. Signs there are none. On twenty plus access streets,

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steve meadows: one point two miles on speedway with no speed limit sign. So let's go to the next page.

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steve meadows: At Navy. You have a fifteen mile an hour. Speed limit, sign

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steve meadows: at Dudley, you have one between Dudley and twenty-six place there's no speed limits on That's one point two miles. Then you have two speed limit signs way down here. I gotta get this out of here somehow.

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steve meadows: Not real good, this stuff.

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steve meadows: Ah, let's see

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steve meadows: You're doing great here, anyway. You could see at the bottom. Um, you know i'll try to blow this up or decrease it.

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steve meadows: There you go. Okay. So then you've got one at thirtieth and one at twenty-nine

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steve meadows: Now these are the streets where these stop signs are located from the pictures, so I can certainly send you this file. No problem. But here's all the streets. These are directions these streets had East only,

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steve meadows: so You don't need to stop sign at the end of those streets,

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steve meadows: but these other ones are all east or west or west phone, so you got no stop signs. Got one, two, three, four, five, five speed limit, fifteen mile an hour. Speed limit time. Let's go back to page again.

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steve meadows: Okay, lack of speed humps. Well, there are not. There is none

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steve meadows: Lack of crosswalks at the walk streets there's none, and there's There's like thirty walk screens. There's no crossbox as a single one

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steve meadows: uh the I've met with the La. Do they classify speedways and alley?

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steve meadows: As a result of that classification, they don't perform studies on alleys. So this is a dangerous situation, and by that I have some little bit of information we go through here.

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steve meadows: This is

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steve meadows: This is right up the street from me.

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steve meadows: This is a woman with a baby in a stroller.

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steve meadows: This is the first frame. This was last year August the seventeenth.

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steve meadows: The car hits her with the stroller,

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steve meadows: knocks her over,

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steve meadows: goes to the ground. She tends to her child as the driver

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steve meadows: takes off

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steve meadows: with speed, humps. You wouldn't have this problem

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steve meadows: with crosswalks. You wouldn't have this problem

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steve meadows: with stop signs at the end of the alleys. You wouldn't have this problem, and with fifteen mile an hour speed limits. You wouldn't have these issues. It's only a matter of time before somebody like that gets killed.

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steve meadows: I I've been here twenty years. I've seen a lot of close calls.

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steve meadows: Here is an example from my security cameras.

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steve meadows: The period of sixteen point eight minutes

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steve meadows: in the morning, starting at seven, twenty-nine. Am.

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steve meadows: These are all cars headed north on Speedway against the one-way street at seven thirty in the morning,

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steve meadows: and they do this because Pacific gets backed up so they know they can cut over and head north on Speedway and deal with the other cars headed south. This happens all the time

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steve meadows: I have stood on Paloma and seen someone start at Rose in a uh mustang or some kind of car, and stand on it all the way to Brooks, getting sixty, seventy miles an hour.

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steve meadows: It's only a matter of time. Somebody is going to get seriously hurt.

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steve meadows: These are a lot of issues, and I've talked to the Department of Transportation. I've been sent information about how to get speed humps, et cetera. But every issue is a different bureaucracy within the city. It it appears so. This is Why, i'm bringing this out to everyone's attention. To say Speedway is dangerous. There's more pedestrian down here.

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steve meadows: We get more visitors than Disneyland to this area, and all the way along Speedway. You've got problems, and I I guarantee you at least seventy-five of the drivers going down Speedway are usually at ten or fifteen miles an hour over the fifteen mile an hour. Speed limit,

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steve meadows: and the police do not control speedway for speeders. I've talked to them. Ask them several times. There's no police on motorcycles monitoring speed on Speedway because a lot of time just some guy. At two or three in the morning

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steve meadows: he just came out of some place down on Rose, and he just stands on it. Motorcycles do the same thing. So there's got to be a way to to make this safer for everyone, and especially visitors that come to Venice, because they don't know, and people don't know when they come down these

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steve meadows: these alleys at the end of them. They don't see a stop sign, so if they don't see a stop sign, they just pull right out on the speedway. It it happens all the time, and that's back up here. So, as I said, here's here's just if you take from Rose to brooks,

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steve meadows: you have uh you should have. There's no stop. Sign here here, here, here, here or here,

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steve meadows: and if you had a speed hump here and here, and a cross walk at the green points, you would definitely stop this straight away, where people hit speed of sixty or seventy miles an hour in the strange hours of the morning. Um! So that's one part of this, and then you got this. But if we go back to

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steve meadows: here it is again. You've got all these twenty foot wide, two way. Streets. No stop sign twenty feet wide, all of them. No stop. Sign down here, and then you've got Speedway coming down here So and then these are the areas where there are. Stop, sign. And then here is this file,

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steve meadows: and as I said, i'm happy to send you this Pdf. And you can study it, but I I just don't want someone to get hurt. I'm not doing this for any other reason. Then I see I see an accident waiting to happen,

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steve meadows: and I've I've been dealing with this. I sent letters to Phonen's office I met with the Department of Transportation. I was just put off in every instance the last letter I got from the dot the guy says there's not much traffic on Speedway, so no more stop signs will be added,

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steve meadows: and He just sent me that two weeks ago, and I think I forwarded that to you guys as well. So that's the situation we're in, and I I love to contribute somehow to resolving the issues.

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robertthibodeau: Okay? Well, thanks for the presentation. And uh, as a frequent speedway uh user and

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robertthibodeau: local Um, I couldn't agree with you more.

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robertthibodeau: Um, let's open this up to. We don't have a motion, but let's open this up to public comment.

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robertthibodeau: Um

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robertthibodeau: see, we get Erica.

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Erica Moore: I I want to thank uh him for all of his time and work to put that together. I I just witnessed that myself a couple of days ago on Speedway. It is really scary when people drive like that. I used to live on Speedway in Coloma

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Erica Moore: and um, I think that I think he's right. I think we really need to do something about that. This This is something that's pretty urgent. Really it is. It is shocking that they haven't had,

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You know fatalities.

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Thank you.

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steve meadows: Sure. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Okay.

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robertthibodeau: So i'm having a little trouble here, because

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robertthibodeau: somehow

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robertthibodeau: you stolen not exactly still in my hosting powers, but to some extent. So i'm going to add it back or something. Yeah, Can you do that?

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robertthibodeau: Stop, share? Yeah. Why, don't you try that?

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steve meadows: Not that much better.

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robertthibodeau: You per second, Steve, and then attendees five, and then we've got Kalani. Okay, Eric, And you just spoke. So, Clony, i'm asking you to unmute.

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Kalani W: I just wanted to thank that stakeholder for his wonderful presentation.

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Kalani W: Now, if we had more stakeholder participants like the last stakeholder,

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Kalani W: I would say the neighborhood council system would be worth saving. Unfortunately, there are few and far between, but his presentation made a great point.

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Kalani W: Uh, and for Bonan's office to

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Kalani W: not really move on. This is par for the course, and the reason we are going to get a new conflict. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Very good. Um

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robertthibodeau: on mute there,

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robertthibodeau: Ford comment.

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robertthibodeau: Uh, Elizabeth, your hand is still up from last time. Did you want to say

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elizabeth clay: so? I just wanted to ask it

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elizabeth clay: with the conversations with Bonan's office and and other um and city prior to that serious accident where the lady was stroller was hit. Usually it takes some kind of event, someone being heard. Some bad press before people start to listen.

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elizabeth clay: I was just curious on the timing of that.

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steve meadows: Can you hear me? Yeah, Okay, uh, that was uh the communication that I sent to Bondin's office prior to that Um. And the woman and the baby uh did not have life threatening injuries. They were taken to the hospital, and there was a sixteen year old kid driving the car.

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steve meadows: Um! It was seven, thirty, or eight o'clock in the morning,

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steve meadows: but that's just one of several incidents. Uh, luckily they didn't have life threatening injuries, but I mean It's There's a lot of these kind of close calls that nobody your Your footage was shocking to me. I could. I could never have guessed that many cars would drive the wrong way. Period of time. That's fifteen minutes. I it's just to me like if that kind of information new politicians never want to look bad if they, if it was put in front of them that something was seriously going wrong in lives or

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elizabeth clay: in jeopardy that tends to be when balls get carried. Um when they can hide behind it's an alley. Sorry we just don't have time for this right now. The budgets will never be allocated, but Squeaky Will does get the grease if it out there that these horrific events are happening.

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steve meadows: I just hope that someone doesn't get hurt because there was a man killed, a pedestrian killed at Paloma and Pacific about three years ago.

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steve meadows: Um, Middle aged guy This is before they put the light in it alone in Pacific, and he was killed. Then, right after that they put the light in. I just don't want to see that happen here. And with that woman and child that was very close, and I just uh it. It makes me,

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steve meadows: You know I. I get a real antsy about it, and I don't know where to turn, because i'm told. Oh, you gotta go here for this or here for that, or here for this, and there's no cohesive direction for anyone to sort of Say, let's let's tackle this problem.

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elizabeth clay: Yeah, I think a little a little shocking footage and some media coverage goes a long way. So more detail like what you've just shown us like that plus, you know, a few more juicy tippets. Would that would go a long way? People are very visual. Um.

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steve meadows: Otherwise you're just talking at people. You caught my attention when when I saw that

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steve meadows: feel free to contact me.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so um

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robertthibodeau: for anybody else want to. Uh,

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robertthibodeau: I guess I guess my question board is um.

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robertthibodeau: So where do we go with this. Do we make a motion now? Um. Something along the lines of you know. Request

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robertthibodeau: to study traffic, safety, speed limits possible additional stop, slash other

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robertthibodeau: traffic safety measures. And if an ally is a hard stop can this street be?

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steve meadows: I think you're at the root of the problem, because as long as they have it as a classification of an alley. They they kind of leave it alone,

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steve meadows: I mean. They painted the stripes down speed way, and one of the guys at the L. A. D. Ot. Told me, said we put stripes there to slow people down. I said, Why didn't you think that would slow people down,

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steve meadows: you know I've never heard of such a thing, and he just And then he just sent me that email back to some. Well, we're not putting any stop signs up anymore. So there's only five there right now. There's only five in that whole distance, and they're on little, Tiny, fifteen foot wide streets

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steve meadows: and the big ones, the twenty-four wide streets have no stop signs.

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robertthibodeau: I mean the things that caught my attention. Were the um. And I see this a lot, too, is the crosswalks that to walk streets like painted crosswalks at the Walk streets where they cross speed, where I think that would help a lot, because that's so. It's ambiguous and cheap.

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robertthibodeau: Yup, and then um! We could do it ourselves. Right true, then a spirit there and um, and then additional stop signs. I don't think that turning a twenty foot wide right of way into a street is going to happen, because I think there's a lot of requirements. When you classify something as a street

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robertthibodeau: you would have to look at like, Okay, now, does it? Is it going to be a sidewalk? How are you going to do that? So I guess you just rolled the justification that you've done five. You can do some more,

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robertthibodeau: I think I think, uh the thing to do is try and work with the alley designation and make it the best that you can to get what you want. I mean, that would be my guess anyways, again. Not a traffic engineer, but um i'm pretty. I've worked off the speedway a bit, too, and I I You know

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robertthibodeau: I I know there's a bunch of stuff going on with that. But um!

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robertthibodeau: Do we want to try and craft a motion now and get this done, or do we wanna again. I don't think this is going anywhere super fast. We want to try and craft the motion for uh continue its next meeting, and maybe we talk to

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robertthibodeau: Steve about some specifics on the motion. I'm. I'm. I'm happy to do you

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elizabeth clay: politics. So

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robertthibodeau: if if one of you guys has a motion that you want to put together right now. At that, you know. Put it on the floor. I I don't know exactly what I would say.

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Evan Corrigan: We I agree with pushing it to the next and coming up with kind of like

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steve meadows: again. Okay, Steve. So we're not. We're not. We're not putting you off, but we're, we're delaying it so that we can do a better job. And Um and I I I completely understand it's no problem. Um, I think you know we put together something to present to the the powers that be at the right time, I mean, and I and I think you should combine that with a little media.

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elizabeth clay: I really do, because you need some other voices screaming

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robertthibodeau: loudly. You! You! You can help with that being the Media Queen and um, i'm happy to, you know. I'm happy to either, you know, work with you or Selena or Evan, and um

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robertthibodeau: see if we can hit a couple of your key points here and try and get a motion together. Um, maybe for uh

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elizabeth clay: the first first week in November. Actually, Jo Jo jokes aside. It might actually be since good social media footage. I was thinking about how you can make a viral re out of all those cars going the wrong way.

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steve meadows: Oh, gosh! You could just say that. Uh, okay, maybe it will help you. Okay, I will. Oh, in the morning. It's really in the morning on the commute to work when they come off of Pacific, you know,

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robertthibodeau: and especially smaller cars, because they figured they'll take their chance. That's a big card they can get by big car,

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robertthibodeau: you know. People used to come out of Speedway all the time, and they try and go down North Venice, and then they didn't know any better Those two more on boarding traffic. They were just dumb.

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steve meadows: You should post assign like, if you're reading this fine, you're going the wrong way. Well, one one of the things that happens every day is cars pull off a Pacific onto the alleys, and none of those alleys have speed limit signs. So when they pull off from Pacific, they might be doing forty miles an hour. They pull into an alley, and they they don't know,

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steve meadows: and at the front, at every alley, right as you enter from Pacific. There should be a fifteen mile an hour. Speed, limit, sign, but there's none. If you walk down there now, there are none, and that's like to me. It's just unbelievable. I I

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steve meadows: It just seems so obvious, and what some things we need, I mean, how much can speed limit science cost to nail up on the telephone call, you know.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, So um. So we still got. We still got two more items, I think the next one's going to take a little bit of time. Um, maybe not a huge amount of time, but a little bit of time.

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robertthibodeau: So um! Let's draw this one to a close. Agree to bring Steve back next month. Steve will be in touch with you

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robertthibodeau: and move on to the Venice mobility, improvement, feedback, collection and discussion.

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robertthibodeau: Alright, You guys, Thank you so much. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure, thank you.

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robertthibodeau: And then um Selena was gonna put together a little some, so i'm gonna.

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robertthibodeau: So here

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robertthibodeau: I'm going to make you

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post.

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robertthibodeau: I gotta get up for one sec and i'll be back. But you

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Selena Inouye: so um

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Selena Inouye: as you may or may not know. At the last Vnc. Board meeting the board Um

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Selena Inouye: looked at the motion that we passed, and basically they streamlined it. To say that then the stakeholders want another ninety days to have input into this new mobile uh Venezuela, Our mobility improvements project. So

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Selena Inouye: I thought what I would do is do a presentation, so that we can start a conversation

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Selena Inouye: about what we want to see on Dennis Boulevard and um

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Selena Inouye: kind of like Evan did already. I've actually just taken a look at um.

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Selena Inouye: If you can see my screen, i'm gonna go ahead and do this.

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Selena Inouye: I've taken a look at the um

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Selena Inouye: city of Los Angeles Complete Streets Design Guide

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Selena Inouye: and um. I want to talk about some of these design elements in relationship to Dennis Boulevard. Um. We've talked about other streets tonight, but then it's full of ours a little bit different, because it's an arterial.

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Selena Inouye: It's designed for as a way for people to get in and out of this area, and it's also been designed as a way for a lot of traffic to um for the Street to handle a lot of traffic, so it has some different considerations, and Abby Kenny does in our previous discussion.

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Selena Inouye: So the first thing I want to talk about in relationship to Venice. Boulevard is bicycle lane configurations. There's actually several different options, and I just want to briefly go through them and talk a little bit about the pros and cons with each one of these in relationship to Venice Boulevard.

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Selena Inouye: Currently, right now on the stretch of Venice boulevard in East Venice. There is a bicycle lane next to cars that was actually the previous configuration in Marvista, as well before the great streets. Venice of the Lord Project

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Selena Inouye: Um! There's some criticism with regards to this type of bike lane. If you see the image on the right side of your screen, you'll see that red line.

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Selena Inouye: That's the door zone. You see the guy with his vehicle door open. That's a concern for cyclists, and uh, it also causes a lot of accidents with cyclists, especially if the door, if somebody throws their door open. Um! And does it at the last minute, and the cyclists isn't able to adjust

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Selena Inouye: um it on the smaller image on the left side of your screen. You'll see the bike lane there, and you see where they put a dashed line down the middle of the bike lane. That's to help. Cyclists know where the door zone is.

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Selena Inouye: The other thing on the picture on the right hand side. That's not on. That is full of right right now,

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Selena Inouye: and we've talked about this tonight before. There's green paint.

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Selena Inouye: So the the existing bike lane right now in venice Boulevard isn't a well-defined, because it doesn't have that green paint that kind of sets it apart, and makes everyone aware that this is the bike lane

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Selena Inouye: um. So this is one bike link configuration,

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Selena Inouye: another bike link configuration that could be considered for Venice Boulevard, and is actually on the street right now in Marvista is a buffered bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: So the picture on the right is actually a picture I got from the Long Beach City um website,

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Selena Inouye: and again the Bike Lane is next to park cars. But there's this buffer zone between the bicycle lane and the moving cars that adds a measure of safety.

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Selena Inouye: Um! I would even suggest that you might be able to take that buffer zone and put a little bit of it next to the Park cars, and a little bit of it next to the moving cars and make that bike Lane even site safer by getting bikes out of the door zone from the park cars.

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Selena Inouye: This currently is on Venice Boulevard,

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Selena Inouye: west of Santanella, and on the south side of the street. It's in front of all of the apartment buildings.

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Selena Inouye: The next bike link. That um has been predominant in all of the designs for Venice. Boulevard is the protected by claim,

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Selena Inouye: and I want to draw your attention to a couple of things on the picture on your the right hand side of your screen. If you look at that stretch, you don't see any driveways, and that's actually intentional, because the best placement for a protective bike lane is on a one way street

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Selena Inouye: where there are very few conflict points and driveways obviously are a conflict. Point

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Selena Inouye: the other image on the bottom, which you may have a little bit of difficult, seeing

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Selena Inouye: how the the protected link by playing comes to an intersection.

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Selena Inouye: There's the protected intersection, and there's the unprotected intersection. Um at a protected intersection with a protective bike lane. Many places have a bike for the cars and a bike for the um by a light for the bikes.

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Selena Inouye: So cars are never moving when the bikes are moving, and bikes are never moving when the cars are moving.

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Selena Inouye: What's on that is full of right right now? And Marvist is this unprotected design where cars can cross the bike lane to make a right-hand turn where the bus crosses across the bike lane to get to the bus. Stop

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Selena Inouye: it's a a place where there's been accidents and incidences between cars and and bicycles right now.

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Selena Inouye: So the reason I bring these things up is because

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Selena Inouye: what's on the street right now isn't the best practice for a protective bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: Um! There's a lot of conflict points. There's a lot of driveways. There's a lot of intersections that don't have signals.

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Selena Inouye: So when we think about this bike link portion I think we want to think about, which is the safest, and which does the mud? Does the city have enough money to completely install,

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Selena Inouye: and with that i'm going to move on into our next section.

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Selena Inouye: Um, there's other things that we can be doing with bike lanes that Don't necessarily have to do with Venice Boulevard.

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Selena Inouye: One of the great things that the city of Long Beach has done is these things called bike boulevards, which is on your left hand side, and it's up at the top.

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Selena Inouye: They take streets that parallel major streets, and they they create an environment that's um very friendly to cycling they put. If If you take a look at that picture, there's a compact traffic circle there at that intersection.

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Selena Inouye: That's a way to slow cars down in in that neighborhood. It makes it safer for cyclists. There's lots of signage for uh bikes as well, and obviously that street is going to have a much lower speed limit as well.

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Selena Inouye: Um

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Selena Inouye: Stakeholders from both Venice and Marvista had actually come together and proposed that a bicycle boulevard be placed on Pacific Avenue, which is one block south of Venice in Marvista, because that street goes from Inglewood to Beethoven.

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Selena Inouye: They felt that that would be a safer um cycling improvement, and would encourage more people of all different levels of cycling to be able to come out and site and cycle safely versus being on Dennis Boulevard.

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Selena Inouye: The other thing um. The other picture, then on the top right is obviously adding more bike lan to residential streets, and of course we've got the bike path down at the beach here in Venice. But um trying to see if there's a way to incorporate more bike, only bike paths.

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Selena Inouye: One more image I want to show you, and this is from the city of Santa Monica website,

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Selena Inouye: and I want to point something out to you.

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Selena Inouye: This is their bicycle plan. But if you look at the major streets in Santa Monica, Wilshire, Santa Monica Boulevard Olympic and Pico, you don't see any plans for any kind of bicycle improvements there,

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Selena Inouye: and I just want to point that out that this is a different way of looking at

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Selena Inouye: making better bike infrastructure, but not necessarily putting it on large arterial streets where there is a lot of traffic.

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Selena Inouye: I think this is something that we don't talk enough about, and I think it's something we should talk about.

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Selena Inouye: Okay. So i'm going to move on for bikes a little bit, because i'm going to start talking about bus lines.

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Selena Inouye: And actually, the first option is a shared bicycle Bus lane.

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Selena Inouye: I actually saw this in Santa Monica just last week on Wilshire Boulevard. They're taking the parking lane they're making it into a peak hour Bus Lane, and then they're allowing the buses and the bikes to share that lane.

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Selena Inouye: This could work on Venice Boulevard if they did the same thing a peak hour, bus lane um, and then the bikes would share that lane. It would take the it would take the parking lane. It would take the bike lane, combine them two together for the Bus lane,

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Selena Inouye: and then on off peak time.

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Selena Inouye: It will go back to the parking and the bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: So I I mentioned this slide also talks more about a peak Hour Bus Lane, which is an option, and it would help the bus basically be able to get people through this corridor more quickly during peak hours

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Selena Inouye: and during off peak hours

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Selena Inouye: uh depending on how many lanes of traffic you have on Venice Boulevard. The bus really shouldn't be getting stuck in traffic. That's really the main concern.

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Selena Inouye: This next slide, then talks about an offset Bus lane, which is pretty much what la do. T is currently talking about um from Inglewood, heading east

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Selena Inouye: um, and as you can see on the picture on the right hand side. There's an offset Bike Lane here that's got the parking um, I think La Dot wants to have it with the parking and a protective Bike Lane.

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Selena Inouye: Um,

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Selena Inouye: Um, I think someone needs to mute because I do hear a lot of noise.

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Selena Inouye: A lot of wrestling papers.

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Selena Inouye: Okay, Um,

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Selena Inouye: um. The issue here with the Offset Bus Lane, and this picture pretty much demonstrates it is that if you don't have the bus stop

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Selena Inouye: in in contact with the the bus lane, and at the moment again, uh starting at Inkle with Boulevard, and heading east

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Selena Inouye: they're talking about making that a twenty four-seven uh dedicated bustling

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Selena Inouye: if you don't have that connection.

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Evan Corrigan: All right. Come on in, can you? Mute?

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Selena Inouye: I mean You're You're got to hosting. You can probably mute her. Okay, Thanks. Okay, I Yeah, I can't see everybody at the moment. Um, If you don't have that connection between the bus stop and the bus Lane again, You're going to have the bus crossing over in front of the

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Selena Inouye: park cars in front of the cyclists um, and dealing with people trying to make right hand turns. Um. So that's gonna

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Selena Inouye: potentially affect the effectiveness of a of a dedicated bustling,

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Selena Inouye: moving right along.

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Selena Inouye: Let's talk about traffic coming, because that's also a feature of this Dennis full of our project.

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Selena Inouye: Um!

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Selena Inouye: We're all familiar with what they did in Marvist in terms of the road diet. They took one vehicle, a lane away on each side of the street and repurposed that space.

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Selena Inouye: What the point that I wanted to bring up is the fact that if you go to the Federal Federal Highway administration website.

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Selena Inouye: You'll see that a road diet to them is taking a street that has four lanes and reconfiguring it, so that there's two travel lanes, a turn lane in the center, and then, if you have extra space, you can obviously add a bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: This is actually similar to what's on Abbey Kenny right now, which we previously have discussed.

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Selena Inouye: The the thing about doing a road diet with a lane that has five or more lanes is that it's uncharted territory to be honest with you.

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Selena Inouye: What the consequences of doing that are not is not well documented.

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Selena Inouye: Road diets like this one with four lanes typically work on a street where the number of cars using the street per day is around twenty to twenty-two thousand cars a day

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Selena Inouye: on Venice boulevard there could be up to fifty, sixty, or seventy thousand cars a day using the boulevard, depending on what? Which intersection you look at,

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Selena Inouye: which brings me to this next slide. This is actually information that's in the draft environmental impact report that was generated for the update to the two specific plans here on the West Side that have to do with mobility and transportation.

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Selena Inouye: This is a um test that they did uh the contractor Fear and peers did. They took a lane away on Washington Boulevard, and then they predict predicted what would happen to the traffic that was on Washington Boulevard. Where would it go?

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Selena Inouye: And, as you can see from this image. A lot of it goes to Venice Boulevard.

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Selena Inouye: But if you look at the bigger picture, it could potentially impact from Rose Avenue all the way to Jefferson Boulevard,

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Selena Inouye: and the folks in Marvist would tell you that taking a lane off of Venice Boulevard in their neighborhood has resulted in this redistribution of traffic.

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Selena Inouye: And this is an issue. Because if you want to do things like, put more bike lanes in neighborhoods, it's going to be difficult to do that if you've got more cars in your neighborhood. Now, who are trying to avoid Venice Boulevard and find a different way to go

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Selena Inouye: moving along.

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Selena Inouye: Um, i'm going to talk these next. Two things are talking about traffic coming um different ways to do it, and it just has to do with what you're able to do with the street.

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Selena Inouye: Um, I just want to say at this juncture that there's other ways to do traffic coming that don't have to do with the actual design of the street, and I i'm not going to be discussing those things at right now.

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Selena Inouye: If you take a street, though, and you narrow The lanes, which is this next slide, talks about having a narrow, narrow travel, narrow or travel. Lane will cause drivers to drive more cautiously and slowly,

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Selena Inouye: just because it does. The lane doesn't seem as big. There's concerns about whether or not they actually fit in the lane, so they're not going to drive as fast.

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Selena Inouye: The next slide here actually talks about a surprising form of traffic coming which is actually landscaped Medians.

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Selena Inouye: So there is a Median in Venice full of uh along that is Boulevard. It would be great if we could get more trees and greenery planted in there. Um, that visual tends to slow people in their cars down, which would be a good thing.

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Selena Inouye: It's also good for our environment, and is, if Isabel was here today, i'm sure she would talk a lot about what she would like to see in the Median. That picture on the right hand side is actually Ocean Park Boulevard. It's not Venice Boulevard,

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Selena Inouye: and if you've ever driven down Ocean Park, where all that business district is, they've done a great job with that middle Median.

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Selena Inouye: Lastly, I want to talk about pedestrian and provenance. These are probably the least controversial items on Venice Boulevard, but we should still talk about them.

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Selena Inouye: We've talked about crosswalks earlier tonight. The Cross rocks are really important to let people know where pedestrians are going to be. Help queue cars to stop and to allow pedestrians to cross

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Selena Inouye: um. There's also the concept of having a refuge in the middle of the street, and because of the Median on Venice Boulevard there are opportunities to create these refugees. Um on the right hand side. This picture is

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Selena Inouye: the mid-

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Selena Inouye: the The only concern with these uh refugees is can a pedestrian actually cross the street on a single light or not, with these um sort of like what we talked about with Abbott Kenny, when you hit the light, and people think you can just go

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Selena Inouye: with these mid-

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Selena Inouye: that the traffic light has changed, and the cars cannot, can now go. So there's been some re education I think, needed there that you have to stop and wait for another green hand before you can cross the second leg.

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Selena Inouye: Lastly, um! They have put in actually, probably all over the city. Now, this leading pedestrian interval,

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Selena Inouye: basically what it does is it turns all of the lights red for all of the car traffic going every which way, and it allows pedestrians to start walking in the crosswalk.

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Selena Inouye: The goal is to get a pedestrian out to the middle of the crosswalk before the light turns green, and prevent pedestrians from getting hit by cars that are making left turns.

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Selena Inouye: However, if you don't make the intersection, also know right on red. You run the risks of pedestrians getting hit by cars making right hand turns, because if you think about it,

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Selena Inouye: if you're in a car and all the lights are red and nobody's moving, and you want to make your right hand turn. Chances are you're gonna go for it.

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Selena Inouye: That is my last slide, and I hope that in sharing this brief presentation

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Selena Inouye: it gets you thinking about. Are there other options we could be asking for on Venice Boulevard? Are there other thing. Are there certain things that would work better than other things? Um! And most of all,

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Selena Inouye: I really think we should be advocating for that bus Lane to come all the way down to Lincoln Boulevard. We've got the link and fast forward project, which is a peak hour. Bus Rapid Transit Lane going both directions now in the morning, in the evening.

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Selena Inouye: It just makes sense to get the bus on Dennis Boulevard all the way down to link in to help people with that connection. Um, if we leave it the way it is, and the Bus Lane ends at Inglewood Boulevard,

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Selena Inouye: i'm. Concerned that whatever time savings happens on that bus lane by the time they get to Inglewood is going to be lost. When the bus gets stuck in traffic, heading from Anglewood down to Lincoln Boulevard, or vice versa.

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Selena Inouye: So this is a conversation I wish La Dot would come and talk to us about. I wish that this these are the kinds of presentations they would do.

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Selena Inouye: I wish we would have community discussions where we talk about certain things, and we make compromises, and we just come up with what works best

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Selena Inouye: versus kind of this cookie Cutter plan that they're putting everywhere that

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Selena Inouye: I I don't know that it always works. So

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Selena Inouye: that's the end of my presentation. I am looking forward to hearing your questions and comments, and hopefully, we can maybe have a town hall or something where we can do this same thing, and then get like

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Selena Inouye: feedback from the community. That's not. I love it. I hate it. It's. I like this idea. I like that idea. Let's see if we can make these ideas work together and make a better Venice boulevard.

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robertthibodeau: Thank you.

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Selena Inouye: Uh no! Let me give back to you.

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Selena Inouye: Oh,

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Selena Inouye: it Won't. Let me give it to you.

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all right. Well,

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robertthibodeau: we were okay. So we've got participants.

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robertthibodeau: Um, we'll take uh comments from. We've got five participants on here. Um, I see Erica and Kolani

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robertthibodeau: Erica, you went first last time. So let's do Kalani first this time,

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Kalani W: Selena, thank you for your presentation.

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Kalani W: Your presentation highlights the fact that

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Kalani W: we need to slow down the road Diet project.

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Kalani W: You know

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Kalani W: the

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Kalani W: the walkway on Penmar, I mean near Penmar on Rose is taking two years worth of planning

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Kalani W: to get it right with a lot of community input.

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Kalani W: This road diet was introduced in palms in June, though they're saying Two years ago palms was involved. That's a lie, because I was involved in Palms transportation. It was approved in committee. It was not approved by the General Assembly,

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Kalani W: and the committee at that time was chaired by someone heavily involved with share our streets, and also worked for a company that so trains to mean municipalities. But we won't. Go into that.

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Kalani W: I think that

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Kalani W: if we gather ideas, the community plan has taken years. They've had a number of town halls for community input to, So that

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Kalani W: you know one thing to develop, buy in, and if you develop, buy in from a community you'll have less push back instead of trying to force this project Russia through,

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Kalani W: I see,

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Kalani W: did on Vista del Mar

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Kalani W: and didn't develop any buy-in from the South Bay neighbors, and we all know how that project worked out. It lasted less than a year, and wasted tens of millions of dollars with that road diet after it was torn up in less than a year.

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Kalani W: If we need to convince the led ot to slow this project down involve the community more. I know you know um streets, for all is heavily involved in zooming into every single neighborhood council uh transportation and general Assembly meeting to say, We support this. The community supports this,

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Kalani W: but they all have the same story, you know. All my child would would be able to walk more. It's like Venice. Boulevard has

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Kalani W: some of the widest sidewalks in the city. What do you mean? Your child doesn't feel safe walking on the sidewalk on Venice Boulevard,

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Kalani W: and you know it's all canned. So

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Kalani W: thank you, Selena, for showing us that there may our alternatives that we could entertain, and this led. It should be encouraging more people to

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Kalani W: to comment on other

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Kalani W: ways. We can

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Kalani W: solve this problem, maybe even

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Kalani W: diverting. And and I

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Kalani W: making it known to a lot of new people who just moved to our city that we do have protected by claims that lead to the shore on Bayona Creek and Exposition. Now, um! So if that's what you're looking for. You have two alternatives

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Kalani W: there. We also have a bike lane on Washington

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Kalani W: and Rose. Those are slower streets, but not a six Lane highway. That's a tidal evacuation um designation,

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Kalani W: so

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Kalani W: that could be an alternative. But instead,

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Kalani W: streets for all is focused on on getting people into mass transit where la dol t ha can't guarantee our safety either on the train, on the bus or on the platforms or at the bus stops.

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Kalani W: So thank you, Selena, for providing an an alternative. I think that we need to tell. La, do you need to slow this project down? I do better. Community outreach do better uh traffic studies and involve the community as a whole. If

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Kalani W: if Pen Mar walkway on Rose is taken two years, why are we rushing

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Kalani W: Venice Boulevard? And the only thing I can think of is because

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Kalani W: we have two councilmen correct and Bonnet, who are vacating their seats. They will not be the ones blamed when this turns into another vista del Mar. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Good thanks, Coloni. Hey? Um, Selena Evan, you guys are the hosts and um Selena, can you look through your screen and see if there is a button there. So I clicked every single one. I have

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robertthibodeau: that um,

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robertthibodeau: maybe click under under my image, and then look at other things, if you, if you can make, make it,

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Evan Corrigan: get it back to me again.

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robertthibodeau: Oh, there you go! You are, the host now, Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Uh Erica. It's been patiently waiting here so as to unmute

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robertthibodeau: Eric. Are you good to go,

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Erica Moore: either? Yeah, I think so.

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Erica Moore: Thanks so much, Selena. Um. That was an amazing presentation. Everybody tonight has been such a great job with their presentations, and i'm so thankful to be on this meeting. Um, because it's all about information,

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Erica Moore: and I don't know what happened. My, no, just as my name. But anyways um

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Erica Moore: I i'm really thankful that you're showing these different options for the bus like I mean for the bike lanes.

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Erica Moore: The thing is is this: ironically. A week ago on Monday I was in the emergency room with my friend who was an avid high school

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Erica Moore: because he was in a protected by plane, and because it had a line of cars next to it there was no visibility, and a pedestrian couldn't see him, and he couldn't see the pedestrian, and that person was day walking. But that does happen, and they had a head on collision.

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Erica Moore: It was completely avoidable If the language and on the outside the cars I did

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Erica Moore: is usually down there, or

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Erica Moore: the woman had a concussion. The pedestrian. I went to the hospital, and he for his layman in his shoulder.

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Erica Moore: I in my business, I I've said this before some of you are aware, i'm in a business, and will be directly affected. And one of the things that will happen if a

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Erica Moore: protective bi playing is along the curve is installed here is literally. We will be in that crossing that lane multiple times a day because we have to load and on low we're doing for for meals on wheels and the homeless we do at a minimum of seven hundred to one thousand meals a day,

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Erica Moore: and it's not like. They just go in the car once, and it's on. The The vans are pulled in. There's delivery trucks that are quite large from store next to me. The the triple size they'll be in the actual driving way. It's very concerning to me. It'll be very unsafe for the

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Erica Moore: the people that are writing the cycling. It will be very unsafe for my workers. It will add a tremendous amount of time on for us to load and unload, and what's interesting is Um. Eric did come out to talk to me the other day.

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Erica Moore: Um! And what I pointed out to him is that I've been here in this business for over thirty six years in the same location. I'm. Here many, many hours a day. There has been no major bicycle accident there ever.

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Erica Moore: Once during cyclobia there was a minor accident, that person who had, like they just wiped out on their own, and nothing to do with another vehicle.

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Erica Moore: So it's concerning to me. Um, that

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Erica Moore: this is a very concerning product to me. I I participated in the two uh town halls or got town all the zoom meetings they they offered for businesses, which again the businesses in my area have not all been reached out, because I personally walk to several of them.

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Erica Moore: People I didn't know before, and they had no idea, and that's after Claire had come here in person and handed me a flyer, and a couple of them did attend, and they were thankful for it. There was only like six of us on this meeting. Those meetings should have been packed.

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Erica Moore: There should be many people at those meetings being able to voice, or can you? Other people came uh of those like six attendees, like several of them. We're not citizens. Um! That brought many different points things about this being the tsunami evacuation route.

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Erica Moore: I mean, that's very concerning we don't have a lot of ways to get out of the city, and that's a real quick. Look at what's happening in other States right now. So um! I don't want to take up a lot more time. I'm. I'm really thankful for you guys listening.

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Erica Moore: Uh, there's just so many different things. I you know. Tonight I was on Washington or I was on Venice. I was on Linkedin, and it's really disheartening to be a block away from a green light and your stock and you can't go, and that's already happening right now.

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Erica Moore: And I also know for a fact. I also live up in London, which is one of those streets that's used as a Button Street now, and has high speeds on it.

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Erica Moore: There's so many streets behind us. There are small streets with many, many families, lots of kids, and lots of people that just go on blocks. There's tons of people with dogs. Everybody's walking around right by the park, and we already have a tremendous amount of country draft. We cut that lay out on that school of our. It's going to be a nightmare.

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Erica Moore: It's very scary and unsafe, in my opinion. So thanks again and um hopefully, we'll have more visibility for more people in the community to be able to talk and come together and look at these other options,

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Erica Moore: because I think other options like making the likely we make a lot of sense because it's not that visible. And I love the idea of the buffering for the our doors opening. I think that's really wise idea. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, Just to make sure we're not missing anybody.

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robertthibodeau: I don't think I am.

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Evan Corrigan: We got John T.

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John T.

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You're seeing more people than I am.

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robertthibodeau: Okay. So it's

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robertthibodeau: you. You may have the controls right now. I think i'm unmuted. Yes, John. T

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John T: Yeah. I'm: Um. I grew up here fifty-seven years

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John T: I've been on Venice at Stewart.

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John T: We're over thirty uh business and residents. There.

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John T: And I just want to. I have a completely different view than Selena. I know they've worked hard on the presentation, but the protected bike lane has been such an improvement for me,

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John T: less noise, less pollution,

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John T: that can't go on about. I I wish I was better at articulating it. So we, the majority of our accesses, are in the alley,

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John T: not on Venice Boulevard, where the driveways are. Venice is a one-way street. There is a medium that you've shown,

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John T: So it is an appropriate location for a projected bike lane.

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John T: I've actually went to the meetings when Jesse was with Bonnan's office, when, because they did knock on my door,

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John T: and they, the walk was supposed to be in the middle of the median. There's not enough space to make a path in the middle, so they had to put the Kai Bos on that. So I just wanted to say that I I know that streets for all does bombard the calls, but there are residents

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John T: in the area who are in favor of this setup,

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John T: and I just want that to be known.

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John T: That's it.

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robertthibodeau: That was That was very well, said John. Thank you.

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John T: Yep.

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Okay.

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robertthibodeau: So

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robertthibodeau: I think we're on to board comment. Now

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robertthibodeau: I mean in first of all, you know, I don't think Selena was proposing

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robertthibodeau: a particular solution as as much as

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robertthibodeau: offering that there are

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robertthibodeau: many ways to do this,

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robertthibodeau: and um,

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robertthibodeau: I think it was very well put together. And um,

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robertthibodeau: anyway, I guess

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robertthibodeau: you know

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robertthibodeau: comments they made on avid kenny um, which is different, but still heavily used. Um

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01:52:10.670 --> 01:52:15.220
robertthibodeau: uh street, you know, especially during Russia, or we've all been on it.

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robertthibodeau: Um,

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robertthibodeau: It would be nice if it was sort of a both, and solution um where we could protect our bikers, we could get some measure of slowing without um. I I do worry

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robertthibodeau: uh turning Venice completely into a two two Lane street.

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robertthibodeau: Um

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robertthibodeau: uh makes uh I I personally have trouble parking in the the um

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robertthibodeau: uh the configuration that they have. Maybe i'm just chicken. But uh,

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robertthibodeau: you know, stopping my car to back up into a parallel parking spot um

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robertthibodeau: in the center of my vista where they've done it now is, I find, daunting, you know, unless it's a very low traffic time of day. I find that daunting personally. But um

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robertthibodeau: um.

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robertthibodeau: So

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robertthibodeau: I guess my opinion would be is, you know, is there

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robertthibodeau: Is there a solution? That sort of

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robertthibodeau: you know, allows for

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robertthibodeau: protection, but still allows for traffic to keep moving in as a slow, you know,

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robertthibodeau: in a maybe slightly slowed but steady,

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robertthibodeau: steady way. Um! That again. I'm not exactly sure what that is, I think Selena probably has some ideas. But uh,

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that's

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robertthibodeau: i'll depend in it. Um rest of the board.

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robertthibodeau: Evan:

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah, Selena, I mean your presentation was like

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Evan Corrigan: totally everything. True, factual,

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Evan Corrigan: latest studies is really great. Um,

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Evan Corrigan: I agree,

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Evan Corrigan: you know. I've looked at like this section of Great street like my vista. There's not a lot of driveway curve cuts there, and

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Evan Corrigan: that's something that makes it, you know, really nice.

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Evan Corrigan: I don't know. I mean I bike down Venice Boulevard today. I like it, you know, a few times after work every week,

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Evan Corrigan: but I do like that section of the great street per um

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Evan Corrigan: from from my perspective

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Evan Corrigan: when you go go farther, you know, past Beethoven to Uh, to Lincoln, or whatever. There's a lot of driveways uh going out to uh to Venice Boulevard. So that's something that you know they're really gonna have to look at how much visibility, how much parking they're taking away

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Evan Corrigan: um to create like you know true visibility

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Evan Corrigan: um and me. You know that they did this in memory, though where I used to live they had kind of like um,

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Evan Corrigan: you know when you'd ride your bike, you would kind of cross a strip in the ground and activate like a little flashing light to let cars know, and and people coming out of their their driveways. Um! That you're coming. So

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Evan Corrigan: I think those those things could be really good

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Evan Corrigan: again. I I don't live on.

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Evan Corrigan: I'm in business there.

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Evan Corrigan: Um. But personally, you know, from people I've talked to like,

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Evan Corrigan: I think they would feel more comfortable with the the protected option.

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Evan Corrigan: Um,

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Evan Corrigan: But yeah, I mean, this is just just my opinion. I I don't live there

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Evan Corrigan: uh. The other thing is, I did talk to you. Um,

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Evan Corrigan: la, do I. I caught them at the farmers market.

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Evan Corrigan: I asked them why they they didn't extend the bike lane all the way to to Lincoln, and I guess they just didn't have that

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Evan Corrigan: um, you know, had the core of the routership kind of more eastward.

849
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Evan Corrigan: Um! So that's why why they're not doing it there.

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Evan Corrigan: I think that's it.

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Evan Corrigan: Yeah,

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Evan Corrigan: I just got to be careful about that visibility issue.

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Evan Corrigan: I mean Erica more uh pointing that that out as well like,

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Evan Corrigan: you know they should make these bike lanes visible if they're gonna

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Evan Corrigan: put them, you know, to the side

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Evan Corrigan: I need green pay. At least

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Evan Corrigan: that's it. Thanks, Alina. That was awesome.

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Alyson Wilson: I agree i'd love to hop in for a second. I mean what an incredibly researched and presented presentation

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Alyson Wilson: when I, when you might have talked to them at the farmers market. The same people I talked to, but it sounded like they were working on a great streets project. That was all the way from National to Abbey, Kenny,

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Alyson Wilson: and

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Alyson Wilson: I think another consideration is like all the Rvs that are along there, and that that it almost like creates when it's done incorrectly, it creates more real estate for people to live rather than to ride their bikes, especially with the lack of enforcement;

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Alyson Wilson: and one of the concerns that I had was speaking to them at the farmers market, and sort of highlighting some of the issues that I've noticed as a resident

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Alyson Wilson: how dismissive. They were, um, you know, saying well where you live and where you're talking about isn't exactly where we're. We're at. The farmer's mark right now. This is not where we're thinking of doing our project. And I said, No, I'm speaking about from where you identified. You wanted to have your project. Um. A great series project, and then

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Alyson Wilson: almost not wanting to listen. And it it's such a it's such a frustrating feeling as a citizen to who would really like to have better bike protection to um feel bulldoz. It's even in, you know, in a

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Alyson Wilson: um

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Alyson Wilson: a situation where there is literally a listening tent. Um, so anything that we can do to have our voices heard through creating a plan that we believe in. Um. I'd be happy to work on and support. So thank you for bringing this forward.

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Selena Inouye: Yeah. I just wanted to add that personally for me. Um, I actually am a person with disabilities, and I have varying uh degrees of mobility impairment depending on what's going on with my health, and

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Selena Inouye: for me the reconfiguration right now that's in my vista. Um! I really don't go there because

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Selena Inouye: one of the things that's really hard for me is to cross the bike lane and then get up onto the curb onto the sidewalk before you know I could. Um Well, usually my husband drives me so he would park the car, and then I would just get out on the sidewalk, so

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Selena Inouye: I think. Um, the issues for people with disabilities for this project really haven't been addressed. Um, I know the folks in Marvist uh

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Selena Inouye: had the department on disability, come out twice to talked with them, and they had raised a bunch of concerns, and I don't think those concerns ever got addressed to. So

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Selena Inouye: Um, That's one group of you know, sidewalk and roadway users that, you know. I'm very concerned about with regards to, you know. Does this work for them. So

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Evan Corrigan: I agree um like the plan on Rose that la or streets La presented. They had. They marked out those eightya spaces so you could see and see where they're actually going to be.

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Evan Corrigan: Um, I I I know that could be, you know. Hard cross that bike lane. Get over curve that doesn't have an eightya cut,

875
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Evan Corrigan: and same thing with the bus. Um like are they gonna have a

876
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Evan Corrigan: maybe a a bump up in the bike lane if it's protected to go to like an elevated platform or

877
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Evan Corrigan: um, it'd be nice to see how they're They're gonna address that like actually a physical diagram of it.

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robertthibodeau: Hard to hear me when i'm uh muted. Um,

879
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robertthibodeau: I think uh one thing we could do is um try and move this into a

880
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robertthibodeau: uh Town Hall atmosphere. Um either just Venice or we could try and co- do one with Marvista. Um! We did talk to Evan and I got on the horn with my vista

881
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robertthibodeau: um!

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robertthibodeau: The gentleman we spoke with, who now? I'm remembering. I probably neglected to invite him to this meeting, as I said, I was going to um,

883
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robertthibodeau: but uh,

884
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robertthibodeau: we could um

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robertthibodeau: uh do a town hall if we wanted to do a town hall, or we could try and make a motion within the Ptc. That would just be discussed as a V and C. Item sort of effectively the same thing, I think. But

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robertthibodeau: um,

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robertthibodeau: certainly it's going to be an impactful

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uh

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robertthibodeau: for years to come.

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robertthibodeau: I'm. Open to suggestions, you know, from the from the Committee on uh

891
02:01:13.910 --> 02:01:15.809
robertthibodeau: how people would like to do this.

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Evan Corrigan: So America join my has done.

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robertthibodeau: We could, or we could just try and make a Venice one, or we could just um

894
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robertthibodeau: again. We could try and make uh

895
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robertthibodeau: i'm not sure what the motion would be right now,

896
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robertthibodeau: I guess. Third time I've said that tonight.

897
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robertthibodeau: Usually i'm pretty

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Evan Corrigan: selena. Is there something you would want to see as a next step.

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Selena Inouye: Well, I I think whatever we do, we should do it in a manner that we can get more feedback from stakeholders and and feedback about, you know, if we present all the different options like I did tonight and have a a discussion, and then

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Selena Inouye: hopefully, it becomes a discussion about. You know the

901
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Selena Inouye: about which Bike Lane could work better for the community. And and ha, you know, bringing the Bus Lane all the way down to Lincoln. Is that something that community supports and um and things like that? So

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Selena Inouye: I know the Town Hall. I mean there it A lot of people will come, but I don't know if we'll have an opportunity for a lot of people to give that kind of level of feedback.

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Selena Inouye: However, I've been to like an led ot presentation where they did like a presentation, and then they divided people up into smaller groups to have discussions.

904
02:02:48.540 --> 02:02:58.579
Selena Inouye: Um, and maybe that's something we can consider doing, and having both Ptc Committee members and maybe board members.

905
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Selena Inouye: Um

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Selena Inouye: leading those small groups and getting that kind of level of feedback. Um, I mean. I think that's what I think that what that's what people are stakeholders want is they really want to have their say, and I think part of having their say is doing that education piece about what's possible,

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Selena Inouye: because everything I talked about is pretty. I mean I can find a picture of it on the street. So, um! It's not like we. We would be asking for things that couldn't be done.

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robertthibodeau: What if we gave them a menu

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Selena Inouye: or pulled people during a presentation, and said, like, you know, here are all the bike lined options. Let's discuss them, and then bring up a poll, you know, which bike lane configuration. Um would do you like, And would you use that kind of thing? We could do that, too, through? Zoom

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02:03:53.190 --> 02:03:54.099
robertthibodeau: Mhm

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robertthibodeau: I think it's a bit much to to, I mean I like the edge I love the presentation i'd love to see make the presentation at,

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robertthibodeau: you know, at whatever thing we do, and sort of remake the same presentation you just made,

913
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robertthibodeau: I think, for people to do. The research on their

914
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robertthibodeau: is asking too much, you know. And so I think we have to kind of format it into a manageable amount of information for people with with um,

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02:04:23.940 --> 02:04:30.780
robertthibodeau: you know. I I don't mean to say limited choices in a certain in in an insulting way. But just to you know,

916
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robertthibodeau: I think you could. You could

917
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robertthibodeau: kind of go, you know configuration, a configuration B bus. Yes, bus No. Um, you know. I think I think you know.

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Okay,

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robertthibodeau: your data from that, you know

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robertthibodeau: seventy-five percent like it. Twenty, five percent. Don't, you know. Kind of thing.

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02:04:53.910 --> 02:04:56.439
Evan Corrigan: What might be nice is to

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Evan Corrigan: actually get them here the next meeting,

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Evan Corrigan: because we've heard that, you know presentation. They've done,

924
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Evan Corrigan: you know, three or four times. They that takes up most of the time. It would just be nice to like

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Evan Corrigan: talk to them, one on one, and and segment on different issues, and

926
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robertthibodeau: see how they respond. Um, you're talking to ot specifically true, that and and I, you know. Maybe we should have brought them here tonight, although I do feel there's less pressure a little bit on us when when they're not here. But I think next time yes, for sure.

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robertthibodeau: Um!

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robertthibodeau: So where do we go with this gonna circle back to that

929
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Evan Corrigan: motion to bring Dot the next parking from two to a meeting, for we're gonna do a workshop. I don't know.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, I mean, I can talk. I can talk to Jim about um. Said. You know whether he wants to handle this at the next V and C meeting,

931
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robertthibodeau: and give us, you know, twenty to thirty minutes of time for this, or whatever it takes

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robertthibodeau: um

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robertthibodeau: for, whether you know he wants to set up a town hall. Um, i'm a little burned personally on the special meetings, just because we've had a lot of special meetings last six months on various different items. But uh, but i'm happy to do another one for this, because I think it's, you know it's an important item.

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robertthibodeau: If if that's where he feels like it should go

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Selena Inouye: well. And, Robert, I wanted to ask you, because I know the board passed a motion at the last meeting, asking for ninety more days for Venice stakeholders to give their feedback, did you? Was there a response from Led to your bonan's office about that

936
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robertthibodeau: there wasn't a result we'd passed the motion um, I think unanimously, and um or close to and um,

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robertthibodeau: but I never heard from dot or Bonnet's office regarding that, I think.

938
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robertthibodeau: Um,

939
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robertthibodeau: you know The comment period was over two days ago, according to their original schedule, I don't think, putting comments in, especially if it's done from

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robertthibodeau: you know a larger body. Um,

941
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robertthibodeau: you know.

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robertthibodeau: At this point it's all we can do. You know we were given a very limited amount of time, and I feel like we're moving it along as fast as we can in a professional way,

943
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robertthibodeau: and they can either disregard our comments or they can, they can put them in um.

944
02:07:25.960 --> 02:07:34.249
robertthibodeau: We may only have so much input anyway. I mean, as we've seen with other public projects, you know, they tend to.

945
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robertthibodeau: As Kalani said, You know they

946
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robertthibodeau: some of the public feedback and stuff seems very can to me. Um

947
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robertthibodeau: um, and sort of It's just a box checking mechanism within their overall,

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you know, desire to do things exactly the way they want to do them, but

949
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robertthibodeau: but in an more less pessimistic view. I mean, you know, if we could get a statement in in, say, thirty days or something, I mean that it's over a month, you know, month behind the original schedule doesn't seem horrible to me. I think they would still take it seriously.

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Selena Inouye: I'm just i'm just wondering if we should try to make a motion to do like a town hall. Um! And

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Selena Inouye: if we do a town hall the Board has to approve that before we do it

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robertthibodeau: i'd have to talk to, I mean, I think Jim and Daft set the agendas for the town halls, and we'd have to talk to them about that.

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robertthibodeau: Um! We could certainly make a motion to request a town hall meeting, and then

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Um!

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robertthibodeau: That's where we want to go. Um, which doesn't seem bad to me. Um!

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Selena Inouye: Then maybe we should do that tonight, because if we don't do it tonight, that's kind of another month, and I almost feel like

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Selena Inouye: we should try to do something sooner than later, and just so, you know I'm willing to help as much as possible to make this happen. So I mean, this issue is kind of I've been dealing with this since two thousand and seventeen, and I would very much like to get this off my plate, so if we could just do it. I would be.

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robertthibodeau: I love the free time. Thank you. Well, i'll tell you if you make the motion uh to request a town hall from the Bnc. I'll second it. Okay,

959
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Evan Corrigan: can we? What's the wording of that motion

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robertthibodeau: motion to request Uh.

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robertthibodeau: V and C.

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robertthibodeau: Town Hall meeting

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Evan Corrigan: to address,

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robertthibodeau: to facilitate community input. And uh

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Evan Corrigan: a uh uh address, optionality, um input and options on the.

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Selena Inouye: That's full of our both mobility improvements. Project.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Um,

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robertthibodeau: I know it's starting to get late. Um! So I think when we make a motion we need to take public comment on that motion. Um! We've already spoken about this. So if people

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robertthibodeau: to keep that comment um, maybe to we, we sort of have not been timing anybody. But if you could keep just on our system. Kind of keep that down to a minute or so.

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robertthibodeau: If there is any public comment.

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robertthibodeau: Um, which,

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robertthibodeau: Evan, you may have to manage this because uh, i'm not for some reason. I think i'm more like

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Evan Corrigan: All right, John. T are you still

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Evan Corrigan: wanting to talk?

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John T: No, no, no, no, no, no sorry. Didn't take my hand down.

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Evan Corrigan: Uh Erica Moore,

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Erica Moore: hey? There! I just wanted to say, I support this motion wholeheartedly, and um i'm also willing to do whatever I can to help you guys support support getting the word out, so that many, many stakeholders, business owners, and people that are directly affected

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Erica Moore: right here could um could participate and have their voices heard, and that we could come together and collaborate to figure out what work best for us. And I did ask them to extend the deadline on this on the um

980
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Erica Moore: uh the survey, and I also did reiterate twice in the meeting about both the uh Marvist and Dnc. Requesting more time to be able to reach out to stakeholders. Just so, you are aware.

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Erica Moore: Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: Thank you, Erica

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Evan Corrigan: Kalani.

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Kalani W: I support the Town Hall with reservations provided enough. Outreach is done. Posters at supermarkets uh flyers, if it's in the budget uh door hangers are expensive with professional door hangers passing them out. But I know in Marvista they spent three thousand and got

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Kalani W: a huge turnout at one of their events. So door hangers do work, but I don't know if that's in um. The Venice Neighborhood Council's budget. But outreach outreach outreach. Otherwise you're just going to be overwhelmed with share our streets, militants taking over your meeting. So unless you get the actual community out to to voice their opinion.

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Kalani W: Um,

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Kalani W: you know, just we prepare it uh that. Otherwise you're just gonna be overwhelmed by share our streets, militants, and special interests, cycling groups. Thank you. Because, uh

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Kalani W: Prior Pre Covid Marvist, I had a Town hall. It was invaded by every special interest group. The community couldn't get a word in. Thank you.

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Evan Corrigan: Thank you, Connie.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, Board comment on this.

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robertthibodeau: I think i'm seeing none.

992
02:13:10.920 --> 02:13:13.089
robertthibodeau: So let's put it to a vote.

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robertthibodeau: Um selena.

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Yes,

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robertthibodeau: Evan.

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02:13:21.980 --> 02:13:23.840
Evan Corrigan: Yep, yes,

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02:13:25.400 --> 02:13:26.570
robertthibodeau: Elizabeth,

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02:13:26.920 --> 02:13:28.110
elizabeth clay: yes,

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robertthibodeau: and Allison and i'll be a Yes, that's five zero. Zero.

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robertthibodeau: Which brings us to, I believe, the last

1001
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robertthibodeau: issue of the night, which

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robertthibodeau: is one

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robertthibodeau: that sort of back on our plates again. I mean we

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robertthibodeau: we um

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robertthibodeau: We already issued a cis on the bus bench thing, and that actually did get filed. Um!

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robertthibodeau: This seems to be very similar to me.

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robertthibodeau: Um,

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robertthibodeau: I guess it's a little bit different. Okay. So this is the Metro and um, Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: So the Metro is proposing to put up. None of these are proposed for Venice first of all. So before we get outraged, none of these is proposed for Venice. When I got notified on this, I was like, as should we not bring this up as a as a meeting, because none of them are in Venice proper.

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robertthibodeau: I think there is one composed for Venice Boulevard. It's either one or two on Venice Boulevard. Uh, but again more in the Marvista Palms area, where you enter the four to five free way,

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robertthibodeau: and they would be um large illuminated sort of uh those traffic signs, saying, you know, uh

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robertthibodeau: fifteen minutes to downtown, or you know you see them on the freeways right? I mean Typically, you see them on the freeways.

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robertthibodeau: And uh, they're proposing, i'm putting them on the surface streets at the freeway entrance is.

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robertthibodeau: And so um again,

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robertthibodeau: um.

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robertthibodeau: None of them are don't get outraged. None of these are going to be in Venice, so this not not not proposed to be in Venice, but they are

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robertthibodeau: uh, relatively nearby. And, uh, you know, do we want more of this type of sort of digital information

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robertthibodeau: coming at us? Or is this a useful thing, is it not a useful thing? And it's just more sort of visual light? Um,

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robertthibodeau: I thought, this is a separate motion from the one that we made before it's a separate subject, but related that we should. We should talk about this for a potential Cis

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robertthibodeau: and uh, I guess the motion I'll read it to the Ptc. Recommends that the Vnc. Submit a Cis opposing outdoor digital advertising large digital scale billboards, large scale digital billboards. It looks like a reversed

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the hard scale digital.

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robertthibodeau: So do we have a second on that or

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Evan Corrigan: second it.

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robertthibodeau: Okay. So let's open it up to public comment,

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robertthibodeau: Erica Kalani.

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robertthibodeau: Uh. I think

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robertthibodeau: i'm going to say I think Erica went first last time. So let's ask Kwani to go first this time

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Kalani W: I can go after. But if you want me to go now? Okay, I think. Um.

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Kalani W: We, the Marina freeway may be subject

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Kalani W: to a billboard like that, and though it won't affect Venice, we need to

1031
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Kalani W: present a solid front and ally and protect the neighborhoods that are going to be um affected by this, because sooner or later there's going to be mission creep, and it will come into Venice.

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Kalani W: They're gonna say, Well, you know the people in palms and marvist that they they didn't complain. You know they didn't have many issues with it.

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Kalani W: And then, you know, oh, all the tourists! And on Venice we need to get market to all of those eyeballs. So a pose, a pose, a pose. Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Thank you. Kalani. Um

1035
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robertthibodeau: uh, Eric. And do you want to go next? Here we got John T. With the stand up to

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Erica Moore: it. Doesn't matter. You can have John go first. That's why, John, you want to go

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John T: uh yeah, I I hate billboards, hate them. I I hate them. But but if it's this on the freeway, I don't know. I I guess I don't have enough information about it, you know. Is it just educational for the freeway, or they billboards? Because they're They're educational for the freeway. But they're putting them on the surface streets

1038
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robertthibodeau: before Yeah, that's kind of gross. That's right against Okay, that's all. Okay. Thanks.

1039
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robertthibodeau: And then we got Erica.

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Erica Moore: Okay, So this to be a no-brainer. This whole conversation tonight. It's been about safety for people driving and for pedestrians and bicycle is, I think, a distraction that somebody is looking at and reading. It's really not necessary,

1041
02:18:37.139 --> 02:18:55.910
Erica Moore: is just not necessary. We got all got apps. If there's an amber alert, it comes on our phones. We, you know we we can find out how long it takes by, you know, looking at our Google map or our ways, listening to it, or whatever. I think we absolutely do not need more of this here, we that that's for Sunset Boulevard. Thanks.

1042
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robertthibodeau: Whoa!

1043
02:19:00.480 --> 02:19:03.110
Erica Moore: All right,

1044
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Erica Moore: my son, with the school in Hollywood. So I used to deal with all that all the time. Thanks, you guys.

1045
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robertthibodeau: Um: Okay, Board comment.

1046
02:19:18.389 --> 02:19:21.499
I just want to share their goals in their

1047
02:19:21.590 --> 02:19:22.639
Hello,

1048
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Evan Corrigan: Page read out,

1049
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Evan Corrigan: Um, yeah, I think like these could be probably accomplished all these goals by like a

1050
02:19:30.450 --> 02:19:33.009
Evan Corrigan: word only kind of sign.

1051
02:19:33.370 --> 02:19:34.619
Evan Corrigan: And um

1052
02:19:34.870 --> 02:19:37.419
Evan Corrigan: even how they have it on their mock up like

1053
02:19:38.400 --> 02:19:39.440
Evan Corrigan: you know,

1054
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Evan Corrigan: it's an advertisement for something, and it's uh

1055
02:19:43.180 --> 02:19:46.599
Evan Corrigan: it seems a little distracting, so it's like

1056
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Evan Corrigan: they should create, you know. Probably gonna creep in other places.

1057
02:19:50.930 --> 02:19:51.810
Um,

1058
02:19:52.050 --> 02:19:53.580
Evan Corrigan: so I think it's.

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Evan Corrigan: I don't know it. Doesn't feel like a good use of Metro's money.

1060
02:19:57.720 --> 02:19:58.580
Um

1061
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robertthibodeau: right. Yeah,

1062
02:20:02.530 --> 02:20:05.189
robertthibodeau: we've got Elizabeth and her dog

1063
02:20:05.230 --> 02:20:07.560
robertthibodeau: speaking. You're the dog.

1064
02:20:07.620 --> 02:20:09.849
elizabeth clay: She's getting bored. Um,

1065
02:20:10.160 --> 02:20:17.750
elizabeth clay: I think you know everything sooner or later becomes monetized, and this is more about advertising than it is about anything else. Um,

1066
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elizabeth clay: and you know I I totally agree there. We have so much technology. My car talks to me and tells me if there's a car driving the wrong direction coming towards me. So I mean, there really isn't anything we can't glean from the technology that's on us and all around us. I don't think we need

1067
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elizabeth clay: more, and the rest is just

1068
02:20:45.370 --> 02:20:52.240
elizabeth clay: these glaring ways of of taking up road space and sight lines.

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robertthibodeau: Yeah, I worry about the you know. I mean, I guess they try and keep these away from residences. But you know, can you imagine your apartment building is across the street from one of these things, and you got it flashing at you all the time. I mean that that that just seems. Oh, that's that's real in many city. Yeah, I I I stayed in a hotel in Paris that had

1070
02:21:12.440 --> 02:21:18.059
elizabeth clay: sign across the road that flashed through my window while it had jet like the whole night. I mean It's just annoying.

1071
02:21:18.500 --> 02:21:19.680
elizabeth clay: It really is

1072
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robertthibodeau: So Shall we put in the Alison or Selena? If you want to put your hand up, you're good. Should we put it to a vote,

1073
02:21:27.850 --> 02:21:30.769
robertthibodeau: Selen. I can't see you, so speak if you

1074
02:21:31.120 --> 02:21:34.780
Selena Inouye: no let's. I call the question

1075
02:21:34.900 --> 02:21:36.670
robertthibodeau: all right, Selena.

1076
02:21:37.240 --> 02:21:38.180
Selena Inouye: No?

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robertthibodeau: Well, uh, just to clarify the Ptc. Recommends that the Vnc. Submit A. Cis opposing outdoor digital advertising scale, digital, bold, bold board. So yeah, So I yes, is against then Yes, Yes, is against

1078
02:21:55.230 --> 02:21:57.810
robertthibodeau: um, Allison.

1079
02:21:58.070 --> 02:22:00.229
Alyson Wilson: Yes, Elizabeth.

1080
02:22:00.360 --> 02:22:01.500
elizabeth clay: Yes,

1081
02:22:02.060 --> 02:22:07.120
robertthibodeau: Evan, yes, and i'll be a yes also. So we get five

1082
02:22:07.670 --> 02:22:10.550
robertthibodeau: zero zero on that, All right.

1083
02:22:11.870 --> 02:22:27.289
robertthibodeau: Anybody good comments um, and thanks for hanging in there. I try and keep these two hours in respect to all you guys time. Um, we're a little bit over, but I think we did pretty good, considering we had a long list there um comments, and I didn't it's not on the agenda for consideration.

1084
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robertthibodeau: This is port. Sorry to speak uh outside people's board. This is a committee only.

1085
02:22:33.790 --> 02:22:35.369
Evan Corrigan: Oh, um!

1086
02:22:36.140 --> 02:22:39.779
Evan Corrigan: Keep this quick! But I wanted to bring up. I saw something, and um

1087
02:22:41.960 --> 02:22:46.109
Evan Corrigan: the La dots the little streets. Um,

1088
02:22:46.890 --> 02:22:50.500
Evan Corrigan: they're starting a project to plan kind of like

1089
02:22:51.130 --> 02:22:55.300
Evan Corrigan: uh North South connector by claims, and

1090
02:22:55.390 --> 02:22:57.930
Evan Corrigan: you know, mobility, improvement. So

1091
02:22:58.340 --> 02:23:03.030
Evan Corrigan: something to keep. Keep your eyes on. I just found out about it on Twitter. So

1092
02:23:03.080 --> 02:23:04.150
Evan Corrigan: that's it.

1093
02:23:04.730 --> 02:23:08.760
robertthibodeau: We'll keep. If you see more definitely. Let us know

1094
02:23:09.220 --> 02:23:11.690
robertthibodeau: that's great anybody else.

1095
02:23:13.760 --> 02:23:16.910
robertthibodeau: Okay. So we're going to adjourn this at

1096
02:23:17.920 --> 02:23:19.689
robertthibodeau: nine hundred and twenty-one

1097
02:23:20.610 --> 02:23:27.359
robertthibodeau: and uh, thank you. All. Thank you. Uh attendees. Yeah, I think everybody had really good things to say tonight.

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robertthibodeau: With that we're going to end it.

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Evan Corrigan: Thanks. Take care of.