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jim murez: Hello!

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jim murez: Can you hear me?

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jim murez: Hey, Jen? Hi! How are you? So i'll promote you to host.

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Michael Jensen: What's on your agenda tonight? Anything interesting. Um, We're going to talk about the Rose Avenue corridor.

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jim murez: Uh-huh.

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Michael Jensen: Um and the land use plan update in that regard great. And and uh, your host Now

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jim murez: I've already made the uh

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jim murez: the sharing screens. Um shared screen share multi.

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jim murez: So anybody anybody that needs to share the screen you can share this. They can share the screen with you. Okay, cool tonight. I don't. We're not gonna have any presentations. But

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jim murez: yeah, what can we do about Rose? We, you know.

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jim murez: So you know how I feel about it.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I mean, look, this is gonna come. So the idea I have with this is um breaking up some of those recommendations, and then we can bring them to

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Michael Jensen: um sort of either piecemeal it,

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Michael Jensen: or we could do a bunch of pieces, and then put it together into a bigger community impact statement. But submit something that's either like,

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Michael Jensen: you know, hopefully not just an up or down on what? Well, if it's enough, I guess it's. You know, a a support

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Michael Jensen: uh for what the city is thinking. But um,

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jim murez: the city doesn't think anymore. The city just does

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Michael Jensen: hopefully after the election that will change

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Michael Jensen: right. They're not just going to do everything safe.

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jim murez: Yeah, I mean, you know it's we'll see what happens. But

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: and and anything that you think about, You know we need to include somehow Um, the public space on Rose. So, for instance, you know, are we interested in wider sidewalks. Are we interested in a bike lane? Are we interested

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jim murez: in in diagonal parking wherever diagonal parking is possible?

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jim murez: Are you talking about east of Lincoln? No, i'm top. Well, i'm talking about Rose west of Lincoln because I've assumed that that's where you were talking.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I mean the the the crux of it is, I think, the zoning

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Michael Jensen: which

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jim murez: I'm actually not clear that the city is even going to fix. But but I guess that. But before you can talk about the rezoning you have to talk about. What is the vision for? What the

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jim murez: what the street should actually be used for, and what it should look like, you know. Should it just be apartments, or should it be commercial, or should it be, you know, mixed use with with residential above commercial? And And if you're gonna talk about commercial, you know it. It is one of the three

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jim murez: beach parking lot access routes,

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jim murez: and it is a a a a primary corridor to public access,

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jim murez: and

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jim murez: it hasn't been treated that way in the past. It, you know. Do we need as much parking on the street? If we were to. For instance, if one entire block

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jim murez: all have off street parking for their uses. Could the parking in front of those properties then be removed, thereby allowing that extra ten feet of space that's there to be giving five feet back to the sidewalks

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jim murez: and five feet to a bike like

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jim murez: I mean, you know, with that. Would that end up doing it, you know, like a dedicated by clean and and five feet more of sidewalk with, and that would be the kind of thing that I would be thinking about going forward.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, you know, I I that's sort of also overlaps. Keep in mind that also overlaps with parking and transportation. So if you were to propose something like that that would have to then go.

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Michael Jensen: It is tangently related to the uses of the of the properties. But really I think the city has totally bungled

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Michael Jensen: like the use of these beachfront parking lots. I one. I think it's sort of crazy to put the parking lot at the beach and not make those things

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Michael Jensen: visitor like you know whether it's restaurants, or whatever you could do that would be more interesting than a parking lot on the water.

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Michael Jensen: I mean, I understand that like people like to drag their stuff from their car directly onto the beach and and

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Michael Jensen: and some stuff like that, but I I think that it's such a

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Michael Jensen: a failure to have a massive parking lot like on the beach when

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Michael Jensen: I mean. Partly It's just because I got back from like uh, You know, I was in Spain, and you could not see. Find a beach there that did not have like restaurants on the sand, like a little stand where you can get a burger and a soda

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Michael Jensen: on the sand

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Michael Jensen: for whatever twenty years or ten years like I. I don't like that either. I think it should be sort of like a free enterprise kind of situation,

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Michael Jensen: but careful for what you wish for. People are going to start pushing these hand carts out there and

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Michael Jensen: opening up shop. All the hand cards are all run by the same like. No, no, i'm talking about the people that set up the the things on the sidewalk all over the city. Now I know that you're talking about the food vendors. Yeah.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. I That's not what I free enterprise that i'm talking about. I'm talking. I know. I know. I'm just. I mean dedicated restaurants and and space like that.

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jim murez: Um, but you're getting way off. Topic Going back to the Rose, the Rose Avenue side of things. If you're going to to think about it being commercial, I mean, you know. Look at what's happening at at cafe gratitude right

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jim murez: There's this huge, wide sidewalk. It's a very open space, and people congregate out there.

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Michael Jensen: It creates a I. I think, that that project I remember when it was a lot, and that was like right when I moved to Venice when it was like a vacant off. Okay?

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jim murez: as in terms of larger developments, I actually think they did a pretty good job. No, they did a very good job, but it took a lot of community, input and they resisted. And and you know, it ended up creating a great outdoor space, and and you know, what can you say it? It's got nice wide sidewalks,

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Michael Jensen: and that's how it's nice, and I mean they've had a good collection of businesses in there, I mean I did yoga at that yoga studio for a long time when my friend taught there, and I've been to Catholic gratitude, and I've been to.

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Michael Jensen: Well, this sort of revolving door for some reason, that corner restaurant where Um, yeah, they haven't gotten a good restaurant, or in there yet. Well, they I mean now they have uh the sushi guys um that move there,

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Michael Jensen: and I mean it seems like that's staying. But I mean that place is such a shame because they they had this like revolving door of restaurants, and this one company that came in and had this beautiful wooden furniture,

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Michael Jensen: and I I really want to know when something closes like that. Where do you go to buy the furniture?

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jim murez: There are restaurant

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jim murez: salvage companies. You can buy that stuff back from them

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Michael Jensen: liquidators, because that's what I really want to go. I want to find Source some furniture from those places, because some of this, like outdoor wooden furniture. It's like fantastic, and it costs so much to buy at whatever you know. So you have a pencil.

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jim murez: You you have somebody to write with. There's a company down in in uh Guardina called Tr Trading

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jim murez: t our trading. They they do these very large surplus

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jim murez: uh furniture purchases,

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jim murez: I know At one time they had a whole bunch of Eames furniture. I think they got out of lax. Um. I have a friend that his entire dining room set, and his office is all done in names.

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jim murez: So yeah, there there are places like, and if they don't do restaurant stuff, the restaurant places do exist.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: I don't see anybody coming online here. No, neither do I. Um,

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jim murez: I saw your notice went out, though.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. And then the city came back with A. I need to add some Ada language,

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Michael Jensen: which I think pointed out the last notice that they sent out. Correct it Didn't have anything about ada stuff.

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Oh, cool!

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Michael Jensen: So you have to promote her. I don't think I'm going to

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Michael Jensen: all right. We'll have a good meeting. I'll let you guys do your thing. Thanks, Jim. Talk to you soon. Yup. Try and try not to bring

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jim murez: the the the entire land use plan. I'm trying not to. That's why we're doing it in discrete. Yeah, It's: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Good. Going. Okay.

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jim murez: There's Lauren, too.

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jim murez: Okay. Bye. For now.

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Michael Jensen: Hi, Jim.

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lauren siegel: Good evening.

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lauren siegel: How's it going?

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lauren siegel: Good. How are you?

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Michael Jensen: Oh, i'm

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Michael Jensen: not too bad.

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lauren siegel: You back from your trip.

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Michael Jensen: I'm. Back from my trip. It was fantastic. Oh, good!

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lauren siegel: Was it business or family?

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Michael Jensen: It was a visiting family, and then also just um

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Michael Jensen: some like vacation to a nice beach.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, I got to pull up the agenda.

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Jeff Martin: Hey, everyone,

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Michael Jensen: Hey, Jeff! Nice to see you.

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lauren siegel: So now we don't have any paddle tennis to talk about. What are we going to do?

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lauren siegel: Uh? Well, no, we can't, so the the courts are ninety percent done, but they're back ordered on the gates. And so they won't. Let anyone on. So we're looking at ports that are empty, and we can't get on there. So it's tough

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lauren siegel: getting there, though.

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Jeff Martin: What about the pickleballers? What if What if they uh

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barrycassilly: It's a it's a you know it's it's weird, cool sport. I went to Marvis to the other day and play pickle ball. Oh, my God, it's amazing! Did you? Those might be fighting words.

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lauren siegel: I got to see Barry out there with the paddle. I've looked at people playing it not quite the same uh, you know people to it, and they just play. I have a friend. I've lost him. He's like thirty hours a week of playing It's just crazy.

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lauren siegel: Be a Lupex bonding uh group bonding opportunity. Here we'll all go out and play pickle ball. We'll just watch. There you go. Lauren will kill us. You get that word out of that that vocabulary out.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Can everyone see?

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Michael Jensen: Are we going to wait for anybody else?

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Michael Jensen: But I figure we might as well get this show on the road.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: so, and then can can uh someone just keep an eye on the attend out. Here's Chris. Um,

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barrycassilly: Our news is here.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. Oh, it's a real meeting.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so let me go to the agenda here, and

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Michael Jensen: uh calling the meeting to order. It is seven, thirty-three pm

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Michael Jensen: um i'll do roll call uh

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Michael Jensen: uh Karen, Harry here,

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Michael Jensen: Andrew not here uh Lauren here

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: uh Matt Roy. It's not here.

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Christopher McLean: And Christopher here,

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Michael Jensen: and I am here. And Jeff here,

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Michael Jensen: Okay, moving on um

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Michael Jensen: draft minutes from the agenda uh, or sorry draft minutes from the um meeting on September first. Um. Can I have a maker and a second

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corinne Baginski: i'll second it

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Michael Jensen: i'm sorry. Who was that?

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Michael Jensen: Um oops?

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Michael Jensen: All right, and I will do a roll call here. Corinne

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Michael Jensen: um Barry

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Michael Jensen: no uh uh! We're voting on the minutes from September first.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Yes, yes, okay. That's fine. Um, Chris. I were you here during that meeting. I don't. I don't know you can just you can abstain

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Michael Jensen: um, And I'm also gonna to stay because I was not there, Jeff. So that is uh five and two right.

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Michael Jensen: You have seven, yeah, five and two Um!

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barrycassilly: Where's you

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Michael Jensen: and me Is not monitoring this? How can we have a meeting?

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corinne Baginski: Don't say his name three times he might pop up

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Michael Jensen: so a declaration of conflicts of interest or ex-party communications.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: i'll just start off i've had um x-party communications with I just had one with Jim about the Rose Avenue uh stuff, and I uh spoke to Chris about it.

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barrycassilly: Oh, he was talking about open spaces and and parking, and

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Michael Jensen: but we don't have any cases on tonight, so it's just There's only one we're going to talk about. One uh

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Michael Jensen: you know the the community plan update or the land use final date um, and one part of it on Rose Corridor, and then I also have some uh Cnc uh, some cases from the Cnc report to assign out. But so there, there shouldn't be much uh conflict of interest. But

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lauren siegel: can I just make a comment? Is this appropriate place? So it seems to me, and I could be wrong. It seems to me like um people are bypassing Lupik. I've had this experience a couple of times now. Um,

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lauren siegel: And do you get a sense? Anybody else get a sense that people are just kind of moving forward without really

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lauren siegel: um having their cases seen or discussed at Lupik.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I'm: I'm curious about that, too. Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: Well, let me. Um. Well, let's go through. Can we talk about that at the end? Actually, because um I want to go through the agenda items first, and then and then I have a discussion about that.

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Michael Jensen: Um. So any uh declaration of a conflict of interest or x-party communication.

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corinne Baginski: Um, I had a conversation with for cloy.

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Michael Jensen: Uh, That's not We're: not talking about That It's okay. Um.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Going Once going twice

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Um, five is closed. General: public comment. Um, This is uh

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Michael Jensen: general public comment for items, not on the agenda. So um, there's only two people in our audience. If either of you two have a public comment, please raise your hand.

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barrycassilly: Okay,

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Michael Jensen: give it a couple of more seconds.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, No hands Um. Moving on to the um new case assignments.

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Michael Jensen: Um, we have one, two, three, four cases. I sort of thought I would send them all to Chris, and he's the new guy.

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Michael Jensen: Um

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Michael Jensen: uh, and that's just because I mean everyone else has cases assigned. And so we need to. We need to have uh

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Michael Jensen: Chris, There's no deadline on these. So don't feel like, uh, you know you gotta have these done by next next meeting. Um, But are you okay with that?

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Christopher McLean: How many are there, Is it for?

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. And I can tell you by looking at their descriptions. We can read through them here. One of them is actually, i've never seen this kind of um

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Michael Jensen: uh this one. So it's a historical cultural monument, nomination for the Arthur and Gertrude Circe Reese home and that's at five hundred and forty-one Santa Clara.

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Michael Jensen: unless someone else wants this because they're interested in it. Uh you can also volunteer

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Michael Jensen: but the other three, so next one. Um, two, two, one. Fifth Avenue is a remodel in addition

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Michael Jensen: to uh to existing single family dwellings. Um, I suspect this is gonna be

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Michael Jensen: a Vsl. And it should be a diminished case. But um I don't I haven't researched that, but that's uh should make it easier convert an existing garage in a new uh into an eighty. You that should most certainly be a Bso.

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Michael Jensen: Um, and those we can here without the applicant's involvement if they're V. So so you know we can still process them.

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Michael Jensen: Um! And then we have a first and second floor addition to a garage for an to you

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Michael Jensen: so small small projects, all of them,

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barrycassilly: except for this interesting historic cultural monument. I have a question about the historic Culture monument, do we? If If Alyssa Jones is the property owner or somebody else.

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Michael Jensen: I don't know. I mean that's that that needs to get. I just pulled these directly from the

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Michael Jensen: um case uh or from the from the list.

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Michael Jensen: So,

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barrycassilly: seeing as i'm now the like President than a somewhere's alliance,

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barrycassilly: you want to take that one i'm not sure I can. I I do. Well, um,

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Michael Jensen: I would. Uh,

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Michael Jensen: yeah, I don't know. I mean, Chris. The first step will be contacting Melissa Jones, and so you can figure out whether she's the owner or someone else

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barrycassilly: I'm going to, I would say the the first thing would be to to contact the owners of the house.

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Christopher McLean: Yeah, who it is, Melissa, John. I'm just pulled up. I pulled the planning file on it, and it doesn't have any submittal documents?

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barrycassilly: five, four, one. He sent Clara. I'm going to pull it up now.

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Michael Jensen: Um, Okay, uh those with those being assigned. We're gonna move on to. Uh. Well, there's nothing on eight, so we can just cross that out.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I tried to upload this document to to our V and to our our uh Lupex site, and it's it was too large to upload. So that's also probably why it's so slow.

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Michael Jensen: from before the next page has the bottom section. It's two different uh distinctions. Yeah. So they're calling it two different things in the you know what. Let me pull up. I think I have it together.

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Michael Jensen: in the blue. You could only do residential live work is only residential. That's the ancillary sort of like home business kind of stuff that's messed up. Sorry. Go ahead.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I mean that's why why we're talking about it is is whether this makes sense so just like restaurants in like the blue. So they have to go away.

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Michael Jensen: There are restaurants uh west of Fourth.

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Michael Jensen: Well, um, this. So So let's just. I mean, I want to um kick this to public comments in a second. But this is the current zoning, and I think we can probably see that where they've stopped it at Fourth Street.

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Michael Jensen: Uh, there are three people in the audience. Uh, please raise your hand if you have any public comment.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, come on, somebody raise their hand, Nick. Oh, sorry i'm just Nick, Are you here for a project? Uh no, this is Nick Le. There's and just watching. So

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Nick Leathers: okay, I have some comments. But speaking on a personal level. That's exactly why you should uh speak. Speak.

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lauren siegel: Can I ask the bigger picture question. What is it that that we are trying to accomplish? What is it We see Rose Avenue for the future, Not what is it now? What is it we want from Rose?

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Michael Jensen: Well, I think that's sort of a I mean that's a good question. Um, I have I? I lived on um full disclosure. I lived on Rose for like eight years. Um on the west of Pacific side.

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Michael Jensen: Um, i'm not, Vegan, but I've been to that Vegan restaurant restaurant and the other corner keeps changing hands. But yes, I know, and that one is sort of like It's got like a curt. It's like a kiss of death on that corner, just like no restaurant can make it

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Michael Jensen: drive. Well, what is it we really want to accomplish? I mean honestly, I think the reason that there's so much traffic on it is because there's a parking lot at the end of Rose That, you know in the summertime has, you know, four blocks of traffic getting trying to get into it.

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lauren siegel: you know I I I think it's lovely to see. I think it's wonderful that we have so much put traffic. I think we, we, you know, take this opportunity to make it just acknowledge what it is, it should be all pedestrian. Throw the parking somewhere else, whether it's that uh the area you're talking about, but like, let's it that's

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Michael Jensen: So talk about the circulation of this. I think we'd have to rope in Roberts like Parking and Transportation Committee, which I mean we can definitely do um. But

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Jeff Martin: So why why don't we so? What? What's the purpose? It says we're supposed to support a pose or recommend changes right. So it sounds like all of us think Rose should be mixed. Use the whole

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Michael Jensen: well. The existing buildings will remain, anyway, whatever. But but that's also. They don't last forever. But I would also question whether some of them are like, Are we really talking mixed? Use the hallway,

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Michael Jensen: But I mean this is going to be the new plan, but it's, but they're not creating like under the existing uh zoning scheme. You know this. These are our options right? We have

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barrycassilly: um open space agricultural, but I think Jeff made a good point. We don't have to get into, like all all the like permutations. Everybody here thinks that it should be um mixed. Use all the way down mainstream. Forget these other categories.

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Jeff Martin: Yeah. So like that page, if you look to the right, I know what you're talking about, Jeff right here. So it's saying one to four stories, you know,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yeah, that'll be a great for uh, in the center of housing. We can't kick them out. All we can do is change The I know how this thinking is such a big site that they could be so valuable for a community center of some source. We we, we we agree with you.

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Michael Jensen: I know you, too. Here it is. We've all used that public storage at one point in time. Yeah, I used. I used to live there. I've only used I've used the one on Gannis Boulevard, and never what to do with it.

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Michael Jensen: And I think in general it sounds like we agree with this.

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Michael Jensen: in in sort of developing findings. So we have existing uses on rows that are exclusively commercial, and would not be compatible with whatever this would work. Okay,

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Michael Jensen: Um. So that's one, and I and I mean, I I think, is there consensus for that?

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barrycassilly: Well, if it's the commercial area there, they can also build above for residential stuff. So Mikhail is saying, restricting that by making it uh

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Michael Jensen: yeah, we call it a live work law. Suddenly I mean, public storage will then be the last commercial thing allowed there.

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barrycassilly: Uh, that was okay.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, we agree with you. Okay.

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Michael Jensen: So um.

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Michael Jensen: So I guess the next, The next component of this is, you know. Do we see Rose Avenue as one contiguous

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Michael Jensen: sort of corridor that should not be broken? I mean, Lauren, your point is is taken um about the traffic issue, but I don't think

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barrycassilly: no, I I would I would have it done the other. I would suggest a different fine, if I may.

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Michael Jensen: Well I was I was. I wasn't even at What's your suggested finding

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barrycassilly: my finding. My suggest of finding is that um Rose Avenue all of it from like Main Street to Lincoln,

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barrycassilly: has traditionally been dedicated as the commercial corridor

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barrycassilly: to serve the surrounding neighborhoods we live in. We hope to live in a pedestrian friendly neighborhood, where you can walk from your house only two or three blocks, and get to a restaurant uh, like uh market, Whatever

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barrycassilly: Um! And Rose Avenue has served as the commercial corridor for those surrounding neighborhoods. We would like to see it be maintained as such, and

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barrycassilly: the portion from Four Street to Main street not eliminated um from his traditional use.

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Christopher McLean: Can I ask another question about it with the mixed use uh residential component? Is there like an increased amount of density compared to like the surrounding. You know area as well.

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Michael Jensen: What do you mean? The height they have increased to forty feet, which would be consistent, I think, with the rest of the city's municipal code versus our specific plan. Height, restriction

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Christopher McLean: is, I. Personally, I would be pro increasing. You know the well if it's already doing that, anyway, I guess, with the height Um, that would increase down. But I think this is the part where okay, we? So it says Here permit development with height limits of one to four stories. I sort of hate when they do height limits and stories, because

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Michael Jensen: that's what you get. Sixteen foot floors. But uh, but I think there there's there's um! There's our chance to support this.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I'm confused at height.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: The height goes with the mixed use are we supporting that all the way through

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Michael Jensen: uh with their density bonus they got uh,

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Michael Jensen: oh, four stories of it like forty-two feet or something. No, I think it's higher than that. Yes,

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barrycassilly: they have five stores. I think it's over fifty feet.

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barrycassilly: Yeah, I think it's fifty-five or something. I It looks like fifty-five. That's like standard for a place like Chicago. Um,

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Michael Jensen: If you give me a second I can actually

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barrycassilly: I mean I don't. I don't feel like they're building as as out of place at all. Um, but I feel like maybe we could apply that to the rest of the street.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I no, I I think if you look at that Vch building in the context of every other thing around it,

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Michael Jensen: it is, I mean It's like

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Michael Jensen: glaringly out of right. I mean, it's with the character and scale of the surrounding. But I but i'm not talking about what exist i'm talking about how it feels right, but how it but also what is possible? Um, or what should be possible? I don't know that I mean

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Michael Jensen: fifty-five feet.

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Michael Jensen: I mean maybe that's the right height. Maybe it's forty, forty-five feet. I don't know. But um Commercial Street, fifty-five feet hardly seem successful. I think It also makes a difference how far back that like if you take the building what they call the gary that's between. Uh a fifth and sixth a new development on Rose,

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Michael Jensen: not the Vch building, but the one,

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Michael Jensen: but that one is like

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Michael Jensen: thirty, or the sidewalk is like thirty feet wide there,

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Michael Jensen: and I think if you put that made that building fifty-five feet. It wouldn't seem that bad,

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barrycassilly: because what do you mean? I feel like setting buildings further back

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barrycassilly: from the sidewalk on pedestrian streets is like defeating the like purpose of the pedestrian street. You need the building to, and some function of the building to be at the street.

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Michael Jensen: No, but it is at the street, but the but with with that step back one you have. Both of those restaurants have huge outdoor areas.

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Michael Jensen: Um and i'm saying like that fifty-five feet doesn't feel

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Michael Jensen: very bad when it's I I mean, I see how you're you're under, you know. You're undermining the density that you achieve with the height by stepping it back a little bit. I get that. But I also think you're opening up a way more pedestrian friendly area because you've got this, you know.

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Michael Jensen: Huge aircraft carrier of a sidewalk that you can do all sorts of stuff with.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Okay, that's a good point.

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lauren siegel: Can I ask another big picture question here?

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lauren siegel: So I understand we're breaking this into neighborhoods. We're starting right on um, Rose. But do we have a big picture question answered about what we really want for Venice in it of itself. Are we? What are we trying to accomplish with this? Because

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barrycassilly: we're we're focusing on pieces. But the bigger picture are we trying to be more neighborhood friendly? Are we trying to be more tourist, friendly, or trying to get oriented like? What is it that we're really trying to accomplish here. I I I I have to give Mikhail credit for bringing this any of these issues up at all. No, I i'm not. No, not making fun of the process. I'm just i'm not saying you are so, Lauren, I would say, I I don't think the answer is the same for every area.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah.

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Michael Jensen: So we don't have a theme for Venice, and what we're trying to accomplish here.

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Michael Jensen: So I mean, that's how I see it. And so that may be different for every okay each of our neighborhoods. But but then can we agree which neighborhoods are serving? Which purpose? So Rose Avenue? Is it going to serve a different purpose than Lincoln, which is going to serve a different purpose from Abbott Kenny. I mean, I want to understand, and also

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barrycassilly: I that's a different discussion, and I don't think that they necessarily do.

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Jeff Martin: Well, I think they they're already. They're already doing that in this document, So they they are suggesting each of the we're just talking about Roseav right now. There's like in this document, so they're they're saying this is what we think Rose have would be for and above, they have Lincoln

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lauren siegel: on this page we kill, showing for what they think you can compare what they what they are. Yes, I read all of that. Okay, I mean it. It all seems well written, but I couldn't really understand the direction of each. And and if we agree with all of it, you know, promote this encourage that. I mean that's like a lot of

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Michael Jensen: No, I I I agree that's that's sort of hogwash uh the thing that matters with the objective standards so like, What is the zoning? How I can you build? And you know that sort of creates

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Michael Jensen: all of these, like, you know lofty statements that they say really could boil down to those kinds of objective things.

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Michael Jensen: Um, and you, I mean, there is a difference between how they're viewing Rose and Lincoln, and I would say, I mean, obviously, they're gonna have higher density on Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: No, And I I mean Lauren. The struggle is, if if I tried to present this in one meeting as like, Okay, we have to take this global theme of it. We would just never get out of here right? Um. And so.

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lauren siegel: But amongst us the you know, we can talk about these four commercial corridors and talk about the differences from one to the other actually five like, How how do we see them? What do we want for their future? So then, we know how to apply everything else in between

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lauren siegel: right, because commercial will drive the residential piece, I believe. And so we've got rows we had ocean for walk with avid. Can you like? How do we see each of those the same and differently. And then

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Michael Jensen: that you you tell me how you see it. I mean like That's the point of it, like we're we're talking about. We're taking these things in pieces and

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Michael Jensen: um, it's impossible to even take all of the commercial zones in one meeting and say, like, all right. We're gonna. Do you know the theme for Rose? Is this the theme for Abukini? Is that like, eh? That's too big to get? I think our arms around in one meeting, so I want to break it up and sort of come up with like

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Michael Jensen: tonight. We have discovered there are things that I mean pretty common, like just at cursory glance don't make sense about what the city is proposing right,

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Michael Jensen: and so I think that's sort of where we have an opportunity to go and say, Okay, look city like we see this. This doesn't make sense like, Yeah, It's great that you want to have all these lofty statements, and I like really, I don't want to try and rewrite their like thematic.

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Michael Jensen: Um, but I think where we can come in and say like no look like we have businesses here, or we have whatever here,

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Michael Jensen: and it doesn't jive with what you have in mind, and we're the ones who live here, so change it

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lauren siegel: around each of the commercial locations in comparison to each other, just to identify how we're gonna treat them differently. I understand we don't to get into the detail. But like bigger picture,

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Michael Jensen: how do we see, Ab: it? Can you versus Rose? What's the future? I mean, we'll talk. I I think I I mean as much as I. I hate looking at things in a vacuum. I think you just have to look at this as does Rose make sense, and when we talk about Ab a Kinny we'll talk about Abbott Kinney, and what we see for that.

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Michael Jensen: And if you have in mind some kind of distinction between the two. I I mean I I see the two streets is different, and honestly, I wish that we could close. I mean, if you were talking about a pedestrian street. I feel like Ab. It. Kenny is the one to close but um,

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Michael Jensen: but obviously that's going to piss off a bunch of people that commute on it. So um you know no one likes to close the street if they drive on it.

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barrycassilly: But, um oh, my God, all those people like going to work are gonna like lose their minds coming through the neighborhood, I mean, even if you put a bike lane in, they'll get mad.

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Yes,

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barrycassilly: well not if you do it.

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lauren siegel: Oh, boy!

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Michael Jensen: So

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Michael Jensen: with that said, getting back to our findings. So um dary you were going to go with traditionally been commercial quarters or surrounding neighborhoods. That one is, I've I've taken notes on that. Yeah. And and I feel I feel like this. They have some that, like this distinction they have with live work

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barrycassilly: is an attempt to like change.

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barrycassilly: Um, a significant portion of our commercial corridor to residential, and that

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barrycassilly: does not. That is not what we want in terms of of how it's used. Now for what we desire in terms of so rap serving the surrounding residential community

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barrycassilly: like part of like what I I see then it making Venice distinct, is It's a more of an urban neighborhood than the rest of Los Angeles in that Um. We have commercial corridors intersecting us everywhere,

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barrycassilly: so you can like live anywhere in Venice and walk three blocks and be at a store

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barrycassilly: that's like unique in Los Angeles. We don't want to like, start suburbanizing Venice and taking parts of our commercial corridors and making them exclusively residential,

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barrycassilly: and that's what I see happening there.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Good, fine Barry

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barrycassilly: Mikhail. Can you make that a finding for me?

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Michael Jensen: Um, No, because that's that's not the fine like the finding is the

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Michael Jensen: what is, and when you start a sentence with what we want, then that ends up being a motion. What is what is Rose? Is the commercial corridor serving the surrounding that one. Okay. So um, okay. Also, I'm: I'm going to actually just i'm going to see. So we have

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Michael Jensen: for people in the audience. I just if anyone has a public comment, you've heard us sort of uh go on about this Um, we'd love to hear

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Michael Jensen: your input um

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barrycassilly: people speak up. We want to hear here and just say,

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Michael Jensen: Oh, we have Nick again. Uh,

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barrycassilly: i'm fine carrying with Nick

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Nick Leathers: Nick Leather, speaking on a personal level. I'm just saying, based on my experience, The Venice Uh coastal plan has a a step back, so it it's important to, you know. Look at development standards of what you want to do for the neighborhood.

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What?

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Wait!

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barrycassilly: I didn't follow that at all.

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Nick Leathers: Sorry. There's a um height. Step back!

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Nick Leathers: What a what a height set back. So there's a twenty five foot height limit.

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Nick Leathers: We're on Rose. So if you want to change that,

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Nick Leathers: you know, now is the time to like incorporate that kind of feedback.

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Nick Leathers: So, uh step back. So a building cannot be higher than twenty-five feet without stepping back above twenty-five feet. Correct

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barrycassilly: uh, did they do that at the Vch development?

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Nick Leathers: They had to get a a density bonus off manly labor.

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Nick Leathers: It does. It allows you to to get, you know a waiver

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Nick Leathers: to get past that.

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barrycassilly: So when you're saying that a step back above twenty-five feet is a valuable thing

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Mhm

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barrycassilly: So you you would you would you? Would

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barrycassilly: You would not have that apply on Rose Avenue?

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barrycassilly: Sure. Yes, okay. I understand what you're saying. I would agree with that.

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Michael Jensen: I do, too. But it is that our step back requirement on that neighborhood

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Michael Jensen: in North Venice.

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barrycassilly: Yeah, I was not aware of that. I think that's a really like like um bad idea! That's like sort of a suburban aesthetic. This anti-pedestrian friendly neighborhood.

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barrycassilly: What? Why would you step back above twenty-five feet that makes no sense to me at all.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Are you asking for this? Set that Barry?

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barrycassilly: No, I'm saying, Why, why, why would you? What's what's the like function of a step back above twenty-five feet. I just it reduces the visual mass. Yeah,

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barrycassilly: it doesn't, though.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: No?

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barrycassilly: Well, if you're standing at sidewalk looking up, and you see twenty-five feet above you, and it's Step back ten feet above you won't See that line of sight. So you'll only see twenty-five feet when you're standing looking up at the building on the sidewalk below it. They're across the street. You're on the same side of the street. Nobody perceives that they perceive like the first two floors, the first floor

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Christopher McLean: more than a certain scale. You do and like. If you go to like city planning for a city like New York, they implemented down on like a big scale. And you can really read that on the cityscape. This kind of like wedding cake, type, architecture

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: awful. I'm with you very. I don't think it should be there, but that that's the concept, for why I got it. I got it. Okay, Well, upper stories can be have a bigger setback, but the lower levels they don't have to have it.

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barrycassilly: This is like this is a suburban concept of you, don't you. You don't want like massing at the level of where people are. Um, that's a purely suburban concept, and, like I I I really have a problem with like applying that to Venice. Um, you know, intimacy

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barrycassilly: is like the connection between public and private space to me is what is like, unique, and defines. And I see, step back like that as being antithetical

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barrycassilly: to that I mean. If you had a balcony on a third floor that was above twenty-five feet on a pedestrian commercial street like this. There would be an engagement between people lived on that third floor and the people on the street. That's a positive thing.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I like that

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Christopher McLean: going up to the discussion of uh, you know what's the theme for Venice? I I think I would want to say. Most people on this board agree that increasing residential units is a big goal.

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Christopher McLean: And so, in my opinion, these mixed use areas are like a good opportunity to add more units. You know smaller apartments, higher quantity of affordable apartments, or relatively affordable apartments.

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barrycassilly: We need commercial stuff we need. We need activities in the community. I I agree that we need commercial stuff on the first floor, I think once you get about the first floor. Um, allowing for more density and smaller units.

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barrycassilly: Um, if people want to do that they don't have to. But allowing for smaller units, and more of them like is like inherently um conducive to to greater affordability.

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Michael Jensen: I think they called supply side economics. They call it like common sense. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So um, i'm going to add another finding about uh

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Michael Jensen: additional housing.

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barrycassilly: That's a good one,

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Christopher McLean: being a lot more like doesn't. It seem like Lincoln Boulevard should have a lot of mixed use to like upper apartments.

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barrycassilly: Lincoln. It seems to me like I'm Lincoln Boulevard, you should be prohibited from building any new buildings less than five stories tall. So we're going to talk about Lincoln Why is everybody laughing? This is so true That should be a role. We're going to talk about Lincoln on a separate. We need to have a big conversation about Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Because I think we have. I mean, yeah, there's There's definitely opportunity there. And I think we that's why it's gonna have its own meeting. So Um: okay. So

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Michael Jensen: the housing component i'm gonna um. And then our our motion is essentially to bring the mixed use corridor through to Main Street.

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barrycassilly: He just got neutered tonight, so i'm trying to. I'm not going to make any comment on that that's for, and he had to wait till now. All right. Well, I think. Um.

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Michael Jensen: Well, we've lost them

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Michael Jensen: few of the attendees. Um! Who were they?

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Michael Jensen: I don't um. I don't know

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Michael Jensen: Why wouldn't they talk? There was one somebody's name had tech ball. Yes, I saw that Usa. Which then I had to Google because I was so curious. We have a little too much time on your hands.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I was just, you know it takes a second, and i'm just so confused because it's like a ping pong table, but it's curved that you kick a soccer ball on,

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Michael Jensen: hey? All right. It looks actually like awesome if you're good at that person is in favor of more housing.

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lauren siegel: So our what else do we need to talk about on this rose corridor? Can we talk about um

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lauren siegel: whether we want to be um neighborhood focused or or tourist focused? Or is that too detailed?

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Michael Jensen: Well, I mean, is there a reason you don't think it's both.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I agree.

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lauren siegel: I don't know that I agree with that, because you know, uh neighborhood focus is more like you were talking stores, you know. Small groceries, laundromat hair. So on that kind of stuff we're tourists, and not all interested in any of that.

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corinne Baginski: They might.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I wouldn't be, I would say. A little corner store is both local and tourists. You You can't zone that in. But no, but it's It's a consideration in in you know what we're hoping to accomplish on each.

500
01:12:48.050 --> 01:13:15.289
lauren siegel: I know I keep coming back to the idea of each zone being a little different. But I I I just feel like um. Rose has already become quite a tourist connection, right? There's a lot of restaurants there that are drawing people from outside the area, and but I go eat on that street all the time. I mean I love walking up Rose me, too, because it's like there's like four places that I can walk. I even walk to the grocery store. I even walk a whole weird like smoothies and stuff.

501
01:13:15.580 --> 01:13:16.650
Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yeah,

502
01:13:16.690 --> 01:13:31.389
lauren siegel: I think I i'm in complaining about the size of the sidewalks, right? I mean, there there are now in places, and that affects, you know, the attractability and eating outside, and all of that,

503
01:13:31.400 --> 01:13:40.339
Michael Jensen: I mean I would love to. I mean, we can talk about the sidewalks of Venice uh for hours. What's wrong with them? Because I find it amazing that

504
01:13:40.430 --> 01:13:43.010
Michael Jensen: uh, I can't walk

505
01:13:43.110 --> 01:13:53.490
Michael Jensen: like I I've ripped. I don't know how many shirts running into telephone polls that have like jagged, rusty nails or staples on them? That's what they were putting all those political things on them.

506
01:13:53.500 --> 01:14:03.829
Michael Jensen: But I mean honestly, I like I I don't know how the city doesn't have to comply with Ada access requirements on a sidewalk.

507
01:14:03.850 --> 01:14:06.490
Michael Jensen: But like, if I build a house.

508
01:14:06.810 --> 01:14:15.729
Michael Jensen: I can't like violate any of that like. How are they? Just blocking every like you couldn't take a wheelchair down Pacific,

509
01:14:15.850 --> 01:14:19.839
Michael Jensen: for I would say a quarter block without hitting something.

510
01:14:19.950 --> 01:14:23.790
barrycassilly: I don't care. Sorry

511
01:14:23.910 --> 01:14:36.299
Michael Jensen: you don't I don't I don't. Why, Aren't, we, putting these things in the ground? We don't need telephone polls. Come on, Can we? Can we finish with Rose out of it, please? I I mean, I think we're done Dot: Okay, Um.

512
01:14:36.620 --> 01:14:44.879
Michael Jensen: So i'm gonna. I will draft up a this into a more formal finding that we can put in the next meeting.

513
01:14:44.970 --> 01:14:47.110
Michael Jensen: Um! So that'll be at

514
01:14:47.120 --> 01:15:11.800
Michael Jensen: uh, what is the next meeting. What are finding, saying that we want, like the commercial, to go, for the findings are that the existing uses on Rose Avenue are exclusive, commercial and not compatible with. They live with work, console. These are just my notes. Um Rose Avenue, um Main Street to Lincoln is traditionally been a commercial per corridor to serve surrounding the surrounding neighborhood.

515
01:15:11.810 --> 01:15:12.929
Michael Jensen: Um!

516
01:15:13.070 --> 01:15:22.470
Michael Jensen: What about What about higher density, Residency usage above? I'm saying, Venice needs additional housing uh which can be matt

517
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:25.889
Michael Jensen: with higher density.

518
01:15:26.880 --> 01:15:27.889
Um!

519
01:15:30.630 --> 01:15:31.969
Michael Jensen: How's it going?

520
01:15:32.260 --> 01:15:41.840
barrycassilly: Which is incompatible with like step backs above twenty-five feet and like lower um iphones.

521
01:15:43.150 --> 01:15:44.090
Sorry

522
01:15:44.330 --> 01:15:46.279
it's just my sorry, comment,

523
01:15:51.180 --> 01:15:52.470
barrycassilly: but it is

524
01:15:52.990 --> 01:15:59.880
barrycassilly: no, I agree, but I mean I low density and more housing. If you make things everything short and step it back

525
01:16:00.470 --> 01:16:19.530
Michael Jensen: right. But I think I mean, I don't. I don't necessarily agree. I I don't. I don't like step back, but I like larger setbacks like what was done with the Okay, we can I? I will. I will gladly argue with you about that as long as we get like, like twenty-two units upstairs.

526
01:16:19.710 --> 01:16:25.489
barrycassilly: I don't care how far it like the the how, how big this, that what goes?

527
01:16:26.130 --> 01:16:27.190
Thanks.

528
01:16:27.820 --> 01:16:45.209
Michael Jensen: No. But I think you go high. You go hot. You push the building thirty feet back, and you go higher. And and who cares if it is a straight line up like creating this like sort of staircase looking thing, I mean they have a bunch of bullets like that in Santa Monica, and I think they look ridiculous. They do.

529
01:16:50.280 --> 01:17:08.779
Michael Jensen: Okay. So we have your We have your findings,

530
01:17:08.790 --> 01:17:19.850
Michael Jensen: I mean, we can decide now which one The thing I would ask is, Let's um let's. I will try and pull more resources together in terms of like

531
01:17:19.860 --> 01:17:31.190
Michael Jensen: what the specific plan says about it. What the land use Plan says about it? What What do we need to deal with the past as much as talking about the future,

532
01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:42.120
lauren siegel: what you you know to bring up all these resources from before. But I thought we should really focus on what we envision it to be fair enough. Um!

533
01:17:42.410 --> 01:17:49.879
Michael Jensen: So that's fine. Then we'll we'll. Uh I will not save some time, so um

534
01:17:50.490 --> 01:17:51.660
Michael Jensen: so

535
01:17:51.750 --> 01:18:06.099
Michael Jensen: well, i'll Still, what I will do, though, is pull the current zoning and the proposed, because I think that that sort of makes sense to look at

536
01:18:06.290 --> 01:18:10.649
barrycassilly: It's the um the State law that was just passed.

537
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.310
barrycassilly: Um! That prohibits um

538
01:18:14.470 --> 01:18:18.030
barrycassilly: uh parking requirements along transit zones.

539
01:18:20.600 --> 01:18:28.549
Michael Jensen: Yeah, do you want? I'm trying to think of that. Should go to Robert, or we I mean, we can do it. I think we should do it.

540
01:18:29.560 --> 01:18:31.530
Michael Jensen: Do you remember the bill? Number

541
01:18:31.950 --> 01:18:36.840
barrycassilly: A, B, two, zero, nine, six, I think

542
01:18:37.620 --> 01:18:41.279
Michael Jensen: eight, B, two, zero, nine, six, I think. So

543
01:18:42.570 --> 01:18:44.139
barrycassilly: Have it in my email.

544
01:18:45.680 --> 01:18:46.550
Um.

545
01:18:46.670 --> 01:18:52.179
Michael Jensen: All this is chemical dependency recovery services,

546
01:18:53.670 --> 01:18:56.319
Nick Leathers: nine, seven, seven,

547
01:18:56.780 --> 01:18:58.290
zero, nine, seven.

548
01:19:00.700 --> 01:19:02.940
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I mean, we can. I'll put that on.

549
01:19:03.040 --> 01:19:09.549
Michael Jensen: Yeah. And also, by the way, I finally, i'm going to take the plunge in doing rack

550
01:19:09.750 --> 01:19:26.469
Michael Jensen: uh loop back. Yeah, you should. I know It's just i'm like, but you're not good. I'm gonna start attending the meetings. I have my first one on the tenth. I can't imagine that this will not be on

551
01:19:26.740 --> 01:19:41.650
barrycassilly: the agenda. That can I be? Can I be the the adjunct person for wreck? You want to be the substitute Um, and not if I can't go at the same time as you. I think anybody can. You can go.

552
01:19:42.050 --> 01:19:43.890
barrycassilly: Okay, If you go, i'll go.

553
01:19:44.450 --> 01:19:53.909
barrycassilly: Okay, I think they're on Sundays. It's on the tenth at what time Like probably ten in the morning. I mean It's something like that,

554
01:19:54.320 --> 01:20:06.549
barrycassilly: but it's on it's on a weekend.

555
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:09.399
Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Is the rack still in Santa Monica,

556
01:20:09.590 --> 01:20:28.569
Michael Jensen: in Santa Monica, are you? No, Iraq is only like um. So it's the West Side regional alliance of Councils. Yeah, I used to go there all the time. They're doing everything on zoom. Still. Um a lot. Most people are.

557
01:20:28.580 --> 01:20:29.689
barrycassilly: That's awesome.

558
01:20:30.380 --> 01:20:31.620
Michael Jensen: Um,

559
01:20:32.090 --> 01:20:38.609
lauren siegel: Okay, So we talk about what I the question I asked earlier. So your question? Yes, Lauren, in the beginning. Uh people skipping Lup.

560
01:20:38.730 --> 01:20:44.699
Michael Jensen: Um. So I would say, I mean, do you have cases that you're working on where people are just blowing you off?

561
01:20:44.800 --> 01:20:47.420
lauren siegel: Yes, but I don't want to name any names.

562
01:20:47.450 --> 01:20:59.889
lauren siegel: Yeah, are they? Have you gone through the plans, and are they compliant?

563
01:21:00.020 --> 01:21:01.910
lauren siegel: I heard from the

564
01:21:03.800 --> 01:21:07.190
Michael Jensen: I mean, I look. I don't want to like um

565
01:21:08.290 --> 01:21:14.799
barrycassilly: in my in my case it's people if they want more stuff, more density.

566
01:21:15.220 --> 01:21:20.180
barrycassilly: Um, They see the path of getting that of going around

567
01:21:20.230 --> 01:21:28.600
barrycassilly: the established process because um that engages um community members who appeal everything,

568
01:21:28.830 --> 01:21:33.330
barrycassilly: and they want to go directly to um.

569
01:21:41.540 --> 01:21:59.020
lauren siegel: But don't they ultimately find themselves face off with those people who want to stop it.

570
01:22:00.770 --> 01:22:04.639
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I mean, I don't know what to.

571
01:22:05.270 --> 01:22:22.550
Michael Jensen: I mean. The problem is, if if if people have a compliant project, I mean, I don't want to, You know we could. We could, basically, you know, as a committee to decide. If you don't come before us, We're going to send them a letter of opposition.

572
01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:37.580
Michael Jensen: But I don't necessarily want to do that when I mean I don't want to do that when people are putting together compliant things, and I mean, that was sort of what I was hoping would would happen with our Uh vso de minimis stuff

573
01:22:37.630 --> 01:22:45.969
Michael Jensen: would would be basically like those letters get done, and we're not even dealing with the applicants like they're just sort of being processed.

574
01:22:46.150 --> 01:22:52.179
barrycassilly: And um the problem, my, as I see it, is that um

575
01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:57.759
barrycassilly: uh, Everybody knows that. Um.

576
01:22:58.790 --> 01:23:07.599
barrycassilly: They'll probably get approved at the community level from us, from the Vnc. And from city planning,

577
01:23:07.790 --> 01:23:11.449
barrycassilly: and then the only body that matters is the Coastal Commission,

578
01:23:11.590 --> 01:23:24.010
barrycassilly: and they'll get as a as they'll get a substantial if you're there and have to negoti there. The appellants will get special consideration. So that's really all anybody is worried about at this point,

579
01:23:26.970 --> 01:23:29.119
barrycassilly: and I don't know that we can impact that.

580
01:23:29.390 --> 01:23:40.849
barrycassilly: I don't think we can either, Because if I mean

581
01:23:40.860 --> 01:23:51.019
barrycassilly: this is de minimis, why are you not like respecting our opinions or our community standards over and over and over again, that might have some value eventually.

582
01:23:52.220 --> 01:24:01.129
lauren siegel: Yeah, Um, I I like the idea of us having a direct line to the Coastal Commission and the decisions that they seem to make.

583
01:24:01.390 --> 01:24:04.839
barrycassilly: Yeah, and it will be helpful if it wasn't just me doing that.

584
01:24:11.210 --> 01:24:16.880
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I mean, I don't I look. I send all our de Minimis letters to the Coastal Commission

585
01:24:17.650 --> 01:24:26.089
Michael Jensen: uh Postal commission does not get those. They go to staff and staff berries them

586
01:24:26.420 --> 01:24:27.750
Michael Jensen: so

587
01:24:27.950 --> 01:24:39.580
Michael Jensen: well. Actually, what I could start doing is I could start direct emailing them to the Commission.

588
01:24:39.970 --> 01:24:56.910
barrycassilly: Um, like really early, at least once a month like on for their Wednesday, and then go like talk about what we approved as De Minimis or Barry. We could all take turns doing that. So it doesn't all fall on his shoulders.

589
01:24:56.920 --> 01:25:07.920
Michael Jensen: No; but i'm talking about this specific issue of of sharing the diminished cases. So how how soon do the um cases come up on their like? How much notice do we have.

590
01:25:08.120 --> 01:25:13.809
lauren siegel: What do you mean if we have weeks like three weeks or so? They posted an E, though.

591
01:25:14.090 --> 01:25:27.079
Michael Jensen: Well, because i'm just wondering if I don't know where in the like, where in the process we could like are there in the you know, I think next week right? The Coastal Commission has their next three meetings.

592
01:25:27.290 --> 01:25:45.890
barrycassilly: Um! Are there Venice cases that we've heard that are on there

593
01:25:45.900 --> 01:26:01.419
barrycassilly: a fish? The official community, not like five people who like want their own way, went and said, We uh voted on this as community representatives in this capacity. And this is the this is like our finding,

594
01:26:01.550 --> 01:26:09.659
Michael Jensen: I think if if somebody was saying that. Oh, I think we can do that, and I think what I would ask is for the first meeting.

595
01:26:10.340 --> 01:26:12.030
Michael Jensen: Can someone

596
01:26:12.360 --> 01:26:15.760
Michael Jensen: volunteer to do this, but put together,

597
01:26:15.840 --> 01:26:18.049
Michael Jensen: and and we have a running.

598
01:26:18.460 --> 01:26:25.579
Michael Jensen: Uh I, You know I have a running list of all of the cases that that have us been assigned through us this year.

599
01:26:25.790 --> 01:26:31.570
Michael Jensen: Um! Can someone cross-check that with coastal calendar

600
01:26:31.730 --> 01:26:33.490
Michael Jensen: and so

601
01:26:33.890 --> 01:26:50.670
barrycassilly: I I mean I could I could read them a list of like. Here's all the cases we've marked as de Minimis. I would like to be able to reference a coastal case number if there is one. I'm signed up for Wednesday and Thursday of next week as Coastal commission. I will read anything anybody gives me

602
01:26:50.730 --> 01:26:51.960
Michael Jensen: okay,

603
01:26:52.320 --> 01:26:54.339
lauren siegel: gun fry, or how Barry?

604
01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:56.019
barrycassilly: Basically

605
01:26:57.030 --> 01:27:13.049
lauren siegel: So to me, though there's two minutes to me it seems like a little education would be helpful before we start doing this little background, if you will like who we are because i'm not sure. Everybody knows

606
01:27:13.220 --> 01:27:23.589
lauren siegel: what we're doing, how we're serving our community, and what this new de minimis, because this has been around that long.

607
01:27:23.600 --> 01:27:44.070
lauren siegel: Let me just finish, like we are the first time that our lupik in my recent history that has been using this terminology to allow cases to slide on through, and here's why. So just give them that background.

608
01:27:44.220 --> 01:27:52.859
Michael Jensen: Well, one i'm going to um. Make sure. I'm allowed to send committee members to coastal. I just have to ask a couple of people this

609
01:27:53.050 --> 01:28:01.050
Michael Jensen: um, and then um. The second thing is, I mean you could still go there as a private individual and be like.

610
01:28:01.060 --> 01:28:18.610
Michael Jensen: So the Land Use Committee of the vast Neighborhood Council is far number of things like if they're doing it officially right. But it so. I just don't know whether or not we can go there and be like Hi. I'm here representing Vmc. I I suspect we can't, because I think only the President can do that, unfortunately.

611
01:28:18.620 --> 01:28:36.130
Michael Jensen: Uh, I don't think No, Actually, I think you can. As long as you're doing something that's voted on. If we voted on it if it's been an Oh, yeah, Well, anyway, so that's question one. And then um, I will prime staff at Coastal, and whoever runs the

612
01:28:36.140 --> 01:28:49.599
Michael Jensen: forget the woman that you like coordinate with um. But i'll basically be like, Hey, we're planning on. I cause I don't want to be limited to two minutes. But I and i'm hoping they'll give us some

613
01:28:49.660 --> 01:28:54.219
Michael Jensen: extra time then to go through and be like we're going out there to.

614
01:28:54.800 --> 01:28:57.290
Michael Jensen: Well, we're not going anywhere. We're, we're

615
01:28:57.460 --> 01:29:07.879
barrycassilly: We're signing on to give a report of what went through the Vmc. You can do that for November. You have to sign in, and then you can combine your speakers.

616
01:29:08.060 --> 01:29:15.780
barrycassilly: Um, which is what you're suggesting, which we're too late for for October. We can do that for No,

617
01:29:17.940 --> 01:29:18.980
Michael Jensen: all right,

618
01:29:19.930 --> 01:29:21.620
barrycassilly: so let's do it

619
01:29:22.610 --> 01:29:26.590
Michael Jensen: so, Lauren. Sorry we straight away from your question, but

620
01:29:26.640 --> 01:29:32.839
Michael Jensen: you answer it. I think there's not really anything we can do to hold people

621
01:29:33.270 --> 01:29:42.180
Michael Jensen: to coming to us other than if they see us as an ally. Uh for what is like a common sense project?

622
01:29:42.380 --> 01:29:45.430
Michael Jensen: Um, maybe they want to do it.

623
01:29:45.660 --> 01:29:55.739
Michael Jensen: Um, or maybe they don't. But then you know, that will open up our schedule to talk about uh these broader planning questions. I think it would help a lot if, if like

624
01:29:56.090 --> 01:30:15.730
barrycassilly: we, as staff members, were proactively contacting applicants, because I think this all broke down. Um when there was a previous loop at chair. Who um did would refuse to answer the mail, and everything was very confusing. Nobody knew

625
01:30:15.740 --> 01:30:29.210
Michael Jensen: who the applicants were, what was being applied for, and well, the the way that i'm pulling the names down is basically just from when they submit a planning application and the contact information.

626
01:30:29.680 --> 01:30:42.500
Michael Jensen: That's so. Even then we don't even need that. We just need an address. And then you do everything through. Zoom as you get all that contact information,

627
01:30:42.510 --> 01:30:49.959
Michael Jensen: all of the cases that were filed, and that's where I ultimately. That's where the case assignment list gets generated from. So

628
01:30:50.200 --> 01:30:51.490
um,

629
01:30:52.750 --> 01:31:05.939
barrycassilly: if we know what our assignments are, and we follow up with them proactively with the applicants. Um! It will slowly turn around. Um! But this has been like

630
01:31:05.950 --> 01:31:17.730
lauren siegel: we're seeing the result of years of neglect. If you ask me

631
01:31:17.810 --> 01:31:19.490
lauren siegel: this process?

632
01:31:19.870 --> 01:31:40.009
lauren siegel: Not if they were not working on a a given case. Okay, but just circle around. And you know I I seem to get all the same person a couple of different cases now. And so what I'm saying is, if we all have that, we can just remind them of how important is to have community engagement and lupic involvement in.

633
01:31:40.320 --> 01:31:51.059
lauren siegel: I don't know just selling the public and their people. On being involved in Lupik.

634
01:31:51.080 --> 01:31:54.780
Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Can I ask a question.

635
01:31:55.380 --> 01:32:14.899
Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Well, all the projects that I've dealt with other people or my own projects, since I always had to go through the the Venice and the community and our group and

636
01:32:14.910 --> 01:32:17.790
Mehrnoosh Mojallali: get approval and the planning wanted it.

637
01:32:17.980 --> 01:32:34.449
barrycassilly: They planning still once that I think coastal staff is the problem. They they're disregarding city staff and the community on a regular basis. That's what's been causing them, and I think that and and the uh,

638
01:32:34.490 --> 01:32:36.869
Michael Jensen: the Apc.

639
01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:41.940
barrycassilly: Well, you one person,

640
01:32:42.820 --> 01:32:59.779
barrycassilly: But that's a big problem. It's a big problem. Actually, it. It like causes people to lose um faith in the process. In general, if you have someone who's in position of authority, just doing like arbitrary trump like crazy stuff?

641
01:32:59.930 --> 01:33:04.820
Michael Jensen: Right? I mean, what we need to have is consistency and predictability.

642
01:33:05.950 --> 01:33:10.450
barrycassilly: Yeah, uh, we've law and all that nice stuff.

643
01:33:10.540 --> 01:33:22.949
Michael Jensen: Okay, guys. Well, um. Thank you for attending tonight, and our next meeting will be uh three weeks from today. On The twenty-seven

644
01:33:23.050 --> 01:33:29.769
lauren siegel: if you're gonna Are we going to summarize all of this? And then you're going to send it off in a big document to them. Mikhail.

645
01:33:30.300 --> 01:33:46.629
Michael Jensen: Um, you're talking about the Mo. The i'm gonna draft up a motion that'll get put on that agenda, and it'll incorporate our discussion points.

646
01:33:46.640 --> 01:34:01.559
Michael Jensen: Well, I think we're just going to put together these discrete things per neighborhood, and just send them through. I suppose. I don't. I don't see any reason to sort of hold back and create some giant document that no one's going to read.

647
01:34:01.570 --> 01:34:24.450
Michael Jensen: I think we create little digestible pieces and send them into planning and and see what happens, I agree. What's the timeline? And for implementation of this actually, do we have any idea? I mean, what's I? I was informed by checking with um Christine sap and er on this. But the last we spoke they were creating some like

648
01:34:24.460 --> 01:34:30.439
Michael Jensen: advisory board that was gonna be comprised of, You know. Uh

649
01:34:30.670 --> 01:34:37.619
Michael Jensen: counsel people like like. I think i'm supposed to be on this committee. And then there's like members of the public,

650
01:34:37.640 --> 01:34:57.029
lauren siegel: and that was supposed to happen this summer, and that clearly doesn't happen So so they were. They were asking involvement with Kristoff's, Usc. Architecture students who are doing a project in Venice, and they just started apps asking for applications for that now. So I think it's going to be pulled together in the next two months or so,

651
01:34:57.130 --> 01:35:20.060
lauren siegel: so that's gonna be six months later than they wanted it. Um, The people working on our community plan are asking for input from Usc students,

652
01:35:21.520 --> 01:35:29.030
barrycassilly: whatever they're they're waiting until after the election. Then something will happen. Yeah, maybe

653
01:35:29.050 --> 01:35:48.420
barrycassilly: he's, he's saying, there's It's workshop dates. It's not an advisory board. We'll be the loudest voice. We'll get notice the most We here is Kristoff speaking right now. He's speaking to me. There's no public comment now. Okay, i'm gonna

654
01:35:48.610 --> 01:35:53.470
lauren siegel: um, because there is no more business

655
01:35:53.530 --> 01:36:03.220
Michael Jensen: actually do I need that, I think? Yes, Okay. Meeting adjourned. Thank you. Bye, bye, bye, bye,