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Nico Ruderman: Hey?

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jim murez: Good evening,

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jim murez: Daffodil. You have your hand up.

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jim murez: You need to unmute,

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Daffodil Tyminski: I know. Sorry I was opening my window. Hold on one second.

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jim murez: I've done that. When I logged on to.

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jim murez: Oh, no! When I logged in I put it up free to promote a like you want to hand up, lift open the window, or something. I don't know. I mean i'd love a hand for that. But yes, that's gonna be hard.

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It's like a thousand degrees in my house. I don't know why

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Daffodil Tyminski: it's hot and human today, because you were out in Norwalk, and you didn't open any windows earlier.

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Nico Ruderman: Muggy, today,

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Daffodil Tyminski: if you want to make me co-host,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, give me one sec. I will. Um let folks in.

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jim murez: Cj: I'm: trying to promote you

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jim murez: definitely. You should now be co-host.

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Yeah. Okay.

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jim murez: Cj: I'm: still trying to promote you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I got it.

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jim murez: Yeah, I tried it's not working.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I hope it looks like you're declining to be promoted to your panelists. You have to agree to be promoted.

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Oh, time to start a zoom meeting.

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jim murez: Sorry about that.

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jim murez: Try Cj: again.

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jim murez: So there she goes. Yeah, she got it.

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jim murez: Um! How many do we need for quorum? We got a quorum, don't we? One, two, three.

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jim murez: Oh, you don't count. Oh, i'm sorry you count to me, but I guess you just don't count for the committee. Is that what you're saying?

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jim murez: Um, okay, or we can demote you. You're a board member. You're allowed to be in a panelist as well. It's. However, you wish

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Daffodil Tyminski: we need ah three more people.

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jim murez: Um, yeah, And we really hope Mike shows up because he has an agenda item. Ivan, did you? No, you never talked to Mike. I don't have Mike's phone number, so I don't know how to reach out to him.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I do.

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jim murez: Can you give him a call because he really needs to be here this evening? He has a motion that

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CJ Cole: i'll text him. I'm sexing right now.

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jim murez: It was supposed to be a five hundred and forty-five meeting

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it went off it. Was It was done.

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CJ Cole: How can it be done?

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jim murez: It was a very short meeting.

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jim murez: Oh, okay,

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jim murez: yeah, you can speak to that now. You can speak to that. There was a technical difficulty, I think, with the link or something. But

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jim murez: but we're putting a placeholder on the agenda, and there'll be another meeting about it again on Monday, so There's plenty of time to speak up about it, but you can speak about it tonight too

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jim murez: too much. Last second stuff

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jim murez: um is Vick Vicki's not on this, you know, and I see some

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I mean not a committee member.

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jim murez: We're We're missing uh Ally Jason and and Mike

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jim murez: Great,

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Daffodil Tyminski: good, good good

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Daffodil Tyminski: like. I just promoted you.

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jim murez: Let's see if I can get the screen sharing thing working.

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Mike Bravo: Thank you. How you guys doing

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Daffodil Tyminski: good, How you doing? Okay? Nice to see you except for the crane that hit the side of my building today. I'm not doing two pad. Oh, no, really. Yeah, You know,

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Mike Bravo: It just happened like twenty minutes ago. Oh, these guys are working so around the clock, and they're trying to take every shortcut they can,

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jim murez: and it's a giant giant concrete pumper, and they're They're reaching under the power wires, and they get, you know. The guy was just trying to to to take a shortcut and

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jim murez: swung the hose when crashing into the side.

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jim murez: They had a big hunk of plants.

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jim murez: Anyway. It is what it is.

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jim murez: The superintendent's aware of it

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Mike Bravo: hopefully. He'll just figure it out.

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jim murez: No, not yet. Only me,

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jim murez: only my feelings, my my plants are, you know, my life blood.

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Mike Bravo: Oh, okay, yeah. So that

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Daffodil Tyminski: so? Waiting for people to log on Jim. I'll be right back. Okay,

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Mike Bravo: also. So, Jim, I just emailed you that a updated uh,

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Mike Bravo: uh, I guess verbiage that we had talked about.

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jim murez: Oh, when did you? Did you go over that with Ivan finally?

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Mike Bravo: No, no, I I You know I've been busy with works. I get a chance to. But just email to you right now. And I've been,

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Mike Bravo: and it's just It's like a start suite. Two paragraph of that

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jim murez: is important for tonight.

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Mike Bravo: Yeah, because so much has already changed from your original motion.

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jim murez: Vicki, raise your hand if you want to be promoted to a panelist.

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Nico Ruderman: Hey, Jim, Nico, I got to log off real quick. I'll be back in one minute. I just got to restart my computer so I can.

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Nico Ruderman: So we almost had a quorum one to

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jim murez: soon as you come back we can start

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jim murez: you and the after all.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I'm here. It's not right, Don't. We need two more people, or am I right?

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jim murez: Well, we we need No, we need four,

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jim murez: and as soon as Nico comes back he had to restart his

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jim murez: Ivan. Are you online? Can you hear me?

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Ivan: I have an unmute yourself. Yeah, yeah,

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jim murez: um. Did you read what Mike is now written? He sent you the email? Let me look hang on. Yeah, because it's not written. It's not written. I don't think in normal motion language.

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jim murez: Well, you give me just give me a minute. Here, let me read it

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jim murez: for those of you in the audience. We are waiting for one more committee member to join. As soon as that happens we will be calling the meeting to order

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jim murez: does anybody have? Maybe I even have Ally's contact.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I can Text Alley.

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah, I i'm back. Okay, So we can start um.

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jim murez: Do you? Uh? Do you want to text alli so she can join.

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jim murez: I will.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: I don't know if you have.

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jim murez: I believe I do. Hold on

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jim murez: um,

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jim murez: so. Can everybody see the screen.

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jim murez: I assume I thought I was sharing. Yeah, Okay, Um, yeah, All right. So let's call this meeting to order,

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jim murez: and the time now is six, ten on the nose.

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jim murez: I will go ahead and save that.

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jim murez: And James Meres is here, Daffodil

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Daffodil Tyminski: here.

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jim murez: Thank you,

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jim murez: Melissa.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I'm texting her as well.

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jim murez: And What about J.

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Nico Ruderman: Nico? Are you here? I'm: here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think Jay was planning on being here, too.

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jim murez: Here. Thank you, Mike. Um. Okay. So we have a quorum

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jim murez: exparte communication. Um!

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jim murez: I had conversations uh with Mike

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jim murez: Um about an agenda item that will be coming up later this evening,

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jim murez: and

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jim murez: I had conversations with Sima about uh an item that's coming up later this evening, and also with Daffodil. Um

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jim murez: about both items.

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jim murez: Um! Anybody else have anything they would like to share

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Nico Ruderman: this, Nico. I I briefly discussed um item tonight with with Mike as well

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jim murez: anyone else.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I also have discussed, as you pointed out, discussed a variety of different

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Daffodil Tyminski: items on each of these agendas with

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Daffodil Tyminski: multiple of the people involved, mostly ministerial.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: Um, Any other ex parte communications for committee members,

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jim murez: seeing none.

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jim murez: That's just uh

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jim murez: move on to announcements in public comment on items not on the agenda.

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CJ Cole: Cj: I see your hand up. Go ahead.

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CJ Cole: There are committees like outreach. That is barely had a meeting. They schedule a meeting ten minutes before they expect people to get and then give you the wrong link. Uh, there are other committees. Um, which uh are really the Arts Committee Hasn't met

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CJ Cole: uh the Neighborhood Committee doesn't have any.

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CJ Cole: Our agendas are minutes up on the website. The ocean front walk looks like they only met three times and have two minutes out preaching at five times and two minutes Rules had three to three meetings. Three minutes resiliency was good with twelve meetings, but no minutes.

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CJ Cole: The discussion forum had nine meetings, no uh minutes dog park none, and none homeless, had nine meetings and eight uh minutes.

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CJ Cole: Parks and transportation, or parking and transportation had eight meetings with four minutes.

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CJ Cole: Um! And the other ones uh are newer. All the hardware committee at eight minutes and five minutes. It's just. It is a total disgust that we have committees that are totally non functional and out reaches the top of my list. I am tired of trying to get to their meetings and never being able to attend and be able to say anything.

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CJ Cole: Thank you.

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jim murez: Thank you. Cj:

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jim murez: Um. Do me a favor. Lower your hand. If you did. You create that uh, uh list that you just described as something that that you can share with me electronically. Would you mind emailing that to me? I will follow up and see if there's anything I can do.

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jim murez: You know I've I've asked before, but there's only so much I can do, but that's a great starting point, and we'll see if we can address that um Daffodil, do we? I can't. Let's see. How do I do this?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I have to go. What are you trying to do?

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jim murez: Well, i'm trying to figure out how I can see. Do we have other people with their hands up?

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jim murez: Um, Okay, You want to go ahead and call on them as

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Daffodil Tyminski: sure sure. And By the way, Allie will not be joining us. She's stuck at work. Um, we'll have her back for anyone else, so I can. You know we should just keep going. Okay, Um, uh. First we have Lionel Maris

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Daffodil Tyminski: and and hold on my cursors being a little weird uh Lionel. Go ahead. Good evening, And venice board members. My name is Lionel. I just wanted to say that um

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Lionel Mares, MPA: number one. The average committee was supposed to have their meeting at five forty-five on logged in. But the when the dialogue is said, the host is in a different meeting, so maybe there's a you send in the wrong link

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Lionel Mares, MPA: something i'm not sure if there's a Brown act violation if i'm not sure i'm not that lawyer number two, the Los Angeles

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Lionel Mares, MPA: uh Neighborhood Coalition sent out an email asking neighborhood council leaders to um

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Lionel Mares, MPA: uh do a community impact statement asking the remaining Council members the Leon and excuse me, that's an item on the agenda. This is only items, not on the agenda. Um, I didn't look at it. Well, so thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. Okay, Thank you. Lionel.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um Lisa Redmond go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Yeah, uh

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Cj. Hit it pretty well. Um,

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: it's just I. It's crazy to me, Jim, that as president you're not on top of this, and even more so. The Vice President, who's supposed to be in charge of these committees. So just Cj. Going down a list is Brown. Ah, bylaw violation after bylaw violation. Um! I have a huge issue with outreach as well.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: You know they're supposed to hold Town halls. What if they done in the past year uh four of them the bylaws. They're supposed to do that. Four times a year I tried to log into the outreach meeting. I don't understand You said they met. How can you have a public meeting? If the public wasn't able to attend the first agenda had a wrong zoom link.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Then I went to the updated agenda just three minutes after the meeting had started allegedly. So it

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: five, forty-eight and it was that said the host was being used already for another meeting, which was for this meeting. So I don't understand how they met

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: and met publicly. So do we have a recording of that meeting.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. I

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Daffodil Tyminski: um

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh, with that we're closing public comment.

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jim murez: There were no other hands. Okay, Good. Um: yeah. So that that outreach meeting is going to have to to to remove. Just so everybody knows, and we'll get to that later, as we get to the item. But it it was a technical difficulty that um

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jim murez: we'll have to address Uh,

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jim murez: probably on Monday would be my guess, but it it uh should be a very quick meeting, and and you'll be aware of what it is later this evening. Um, Okay, let me change back to

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jim murez: the agenda. So let's close public comment.

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jim murez: Come on back.

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jim murez: So all business. We have not new business um approval of the uh committee meeting. Um from nine fifteen, the the minutes um! Could I get a motion for that?

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Mike Bravo: I like the motion?

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Let me go a second

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Um. Did we have any public comment on that?

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Daffodil Tyminski: No public comment, Jim.

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jim murez: Okay, public comment is closed. Let's say, did we have any committee comment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, this is daffodil. Um. I'm going to abstain because I wasn't at that meeting.

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jim murez: Um, i'm going to vote. Yes,

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jim murez: Daffodil is abstaining

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jim murez: uh Nico, How do you vote?

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Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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Mike Bravo: thank you, Mike. How do you vote? Yes,

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jim murez: great uh motion carries three zero one,

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jay: Jim, I vote. Yes,

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jim murez: who is that? This is Jay. Oh, you're here. Oh, thank you. I've been here. Yeah, by man. Okay, good. Thank you for arriving.

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jim murez: Let me refresh the voters and add you in. J. Voted. Yes,

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jim murez: great. So now it carries four zero, one

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: adcom nominations for community officer to chair and Selections Committee. Um. We're gonna have to postpone that. But yet one more month. Um! We uh have not had a chance to pull all of the the board officers. Uh, if any of them want to um

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jim murez: take on that role in addition to everything else, and we haven't received applications yet either. And i'm not sure why. But the application is on the website, so we'll just have to do more outreach to see if we can get the empty vacancy on the board filled. Not that the two are the same in one. But

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jim murez: um!

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jim murez: That'll have to be postponed. Okay, Now we need.

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jim murez: Let me just put down

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jim murez: that we will postpone us.

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jim murez: Um, Helen, I see your hand. I'm not sure that we want to take any public comment on that item. So i'm recognizing you. But we're not taking public comment on it. We're just not opening the item.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Now I need a motion to uh

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jim murez: um draft uh board agenda for October eighteenth that I have a maker. Please

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jim murez: need a second. It it's staff in the last second. It thank you, Daffodil.

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jim murez: Okay. Now let me just timestamp that

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jim murez: and this one I'm going to say, Come back here.

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jim murez: So that's where we'll come back later.

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jim murez: Now let's change to

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jim murez: the agenda for tonight, for the board,

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jim murez: which is your version three,

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jim murez: and let me just check in, so we can keep track of this.

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jim murez: I'm. Here, Jase. Here, Nicos, here

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Ivan: and my consumer. Uh Jim. Yes, yeah, that the roll call should be the board.

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Ivan: Yeah, that will change that. We'll change that after It's a it's right now. It's a draft diamond, but you shouldn't be filling in roll call if it's the the meetings happening.

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jim murez: No, this is just so. I can keep track as we vote on the items below.

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jim murez: Those are the members that are that we? We already took the roll call. This is only the draft board agenda.

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jim murez: Okay, I just need a way of being able to keep So on the agenda. We're going to approve items.

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jim murez: What is it? One through

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jim murez: You can see election, twenty

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jim murez: announcements and public comment approval of prior minutes. Why, Don't, we go all the way down to so we'll say one through ten Um! Can we get a uh uh

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jay: i'm sorry. Who is the first person? Thank you. Jay and Nico was second. Yes,

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jim murez: okay, let's take public comment on that.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Do we have any public comment items, one through ten.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um, Yeah. Okay. So I know you change the roll call, but then you go back, and the meeting will start, and there will still be Oliver's name, and there will still be Stan's name, and you never clean those out.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: And you always said, Oops, there's your mistake. Next month will be fixed, and it never is. You know who the City Council members new Field deputy is put. Their name is. You know who the State Assembly person is. She's been our State Assembly person since June.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um, you! It's not too hard to pick up the phone and call to find out who the new West Side uh deputy is for the Mayor Also, there is no longer a social justice and Equity committee, those that should be removed.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um, as there is a Dog Park committee that Cj. Mentioned that Hasn't been a dog Park committee for a couple of years now that should be removed from the website. So um! Maybe you guys could clean up business and do a little sweeping, and then maybe you might have time to pull your Council members to see who wants to be a new chair

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: of rules and selections.

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jim murez: Thank you. Um, Lisa, Before we before you don't go away. Let me just see if I can

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jim murez: correct some of those things. Now I know that the uh

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jim murez: yeah, this one here does need to be crossed out. The others, I think, are all already uh taken care of. Thank you for pointing that out. They have a bet in three and a half years.

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jim murez: I haven't Well, we don't wait the dog. The dog part committee is not listed here isn't it. No, but it's on the website. Yeah, that's that's a whole. That's a whole nother issue I That was. It's already being worked on. I know. But yeah, Lisa Lisa, let's just focus for a second. Do you know who the new deputy is? Um, yes,

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jim murez: I know. Okay, but I think we, we, you and I, can talk offline. I can give you all this, I I We've done this before, so we can, removing Stan and all of removing Stan and Oliver and adding, Zack has already also happened to the to the template. But um,

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vicki halliday: Yeah. I'd like to respond to Lisa's accusations. We are working on the website. There are some things that have to be resolved, and they're being worked on. And we're all doing what we can. Lisa:

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jim murez: So um there any committee discussion on items one through ten. Thank you.

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jim murez: I'm going to vote. Yes, daffodil

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jim murez: Yes, thank you. All motion carries five zero zero.

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jim murez: So now the next items are the treasurer's report.

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jim murez: The monthly expenditure report. Um needs to be removed

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jay: That's correct. The city is still reviewing. Pass for your seat, and they won't. Let it print until they finish their review. So

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jim murez: Right. So My understanding at this point is a a new meeting for outreach will be scheduled for Monday, and following the outreach meeting. There will also be a budget meeting, which will then um uh, I guess, is the word ratified to to accept what's here?

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jim murez: Um! The motion that is now a placeholder on the the budget report, so we'll have all of that um available. The exact wording of the motion and the exact description of this item will be posted

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jim murez: prior to a Monday. Um! So it does get posted seventy-two hours in advance of the Board meeting on Tuesday it'll be posted on Saturday. I'll have that

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jim murez: all of that correct wording up there, and it will only be required to have the the final vote put in. If the vote is is to approve the the item out of outreach, and then also the item out of budget. Then the Board will be able to vote on it and go forward, so i'll just. I'm going to get it over to you tomorrow early,

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jim murez: Yup! That sounds good to me. Um items So this when you want to do it on Monday thirteen we're gonna do it after the outreach meeting.

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jim murez: can can we get a motion to approve items? Um, eleven through thirteen, and then we can take public comment. I'll move it.

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jim murez: Thank you just a second.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well, let's come back to it. There are a couple of yeah. Why, don't I I was just gonna say um, Lisa Raymond also is your hand up? Why, don't we take Lisa's comment, and then come back and holl in. Uh Lisa, go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um: yeah. First, I'm really excited to hear from Vicky that you guys are working on the fixes. Um. So maybe by the next board you'll have it all fixed and updated. So i'm a little confused. When you guys keep talking about all these meetings like budget and outreach happening on Monday,

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: and then getting it done quickly before the seventy-two hour notice. So I mind you seeing something. Are you suddenly going to meet on Thursday instead of the normal Third Tuesday.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um! Something is not adding up, because you guys do usually meet next Tuesday.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: That's why we're having this atom meeting today on Thursday.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um! So hopefully. You can illuminate the rest of us.

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jim murez: Hold on! Let me just move on. We have one more speaker. Wait, I just I just clicked on on uh Helen's hand uh to to speak. Helen, are you there?

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Erica Moore: um, and I don't know if that's just our phones, or what it is. But um,

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Erica Moore: I I don't know, anyways. So I missed part of what you guys are saying at the end. But I wanted to say that um kind of kind of like with with, Lisa was saying. As far as the different meetings getting scheduled differently. I know our resiliency meeting got changed because we were trying to accommodate the treasurer's meeting. I think the Budget Committee that was going to be now on

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Erica Moore: Tuesday, but then it wasn't on Tuesday. So i'm getting confused, too, about when the meetings are Um! Are they going to be consistent dates? Are they flipping around, or please help me understand?

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Erica Moore: Um, Thanks so much, you guys. And also I just want to remind you to that. I'm having that same issue again with the agenda. When you pull it up on my phone. I can't click get to get into the zoom meeting. I'm actually always having to reach out if i'm ever on my phone to a fellow uh stakeholder, and then they sent me the link,

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Erica Moore: so i'm not sure why it's not working. It works for me on other other.

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Erica Moore: You know platforms that I that I go on for zoom. But just for some reason with you guys, it doesn't work.

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jim murez: Um. So i'm gonna just briefly touch on the meeting schedule questions that were asked, and and let's keep public comment open for another couple of minutes and see if Helen comes back and give her the chance to to make her comment if she was having technical difficulties and needed to start her computer over again.

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jim murez: We're not in such a rush tonight. We only have one or two items on the agenda. Um,

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jim murez: the The scheduling issue. Um, We have normal scheduled meetings that occur at normal scheduled times that are posted on the website under each committee. Um.

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jim murez: It is true that the Budget Committee is meeting on the uh second Tuesday of each month.

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jim murez: Adcom is meeting on the second Thursday of each month,

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jim murez: and the other committees like outreach and and uh, I don't know which other ones we're being mentioned. But but the other committees are also meeting um on on regular schedule times. I think outreach is is on the last Wednesday of the month. Um

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jim murez: resiliency was moved, but I think Keith was talking yesterday about moving it again to a Monday, perhaps, or a different Tuesday. Um! That maybe it was the first Tuesday of the month. I don't know if that actually ended up happening last night or not.

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Erica Moore: Um, Actually, it was night before last, but it it was last night, and basically, it was because um

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Erica Moore: we wanted to possibly go back to our normal Tuesday. But we didn't want to interfere with the understood. You know what I mean, that's why, yeah, so we'll we'll get. We'll get that regular meeting date for for resiliency. Um, which is a very important committee. We'll get that uh

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jim murez: uh, uh nailed down very soon, and it'll be posted on the website, and it'll be clear to everybody when it is as far as the the two meetings that are going to be occurring on Monday.

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jim murez: Um! It will be considered a special meeting for both of those two committees, and the reason being that. Um,

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jim murez: we're. We're scheduling them uh, just before the Board meeting is because the Board needs to approve them, because the city is insisting on these thirty day cycles to be able to approve funding, and we wouldn't be able to get the funding in time if we wait until the November meeting. So So those items are being uh

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jim murez: put on to us a special meeting. Um, and It was originally scheduled for tonight, and it was supposed to be a twenty-four hour notice meeting um. But something happened with the zoom and the links, and and everybody had a hard time getting on, and even I had a hard time getting to. And finally, uh, we just started all over, and that didn't work, either, because then nobody got notified. And so it wasn't an acceptable meeting by the Brown Act, and that meeting will be conducted on Monday following that meeting.

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jim murez: Um! There will be a meeting for for Budget, and following the Budget meeting on Tuesday there will be the regular board meeting now um as far as the budget uh items being posted on the uh board's agenda that will occur seventy-two hours prior to the board meeting.

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jim murez: The items will be. There is placeholders meaning that the vote itself

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jim murez: on the items in committee will not yet be shown, but the exact wording of the motion and the dollar amounts that are being considered will be so. We won't. Be modifying the motion we won't. Be modifying any of the description. The only thing we will be doing is adding the vote which I have been told by our Parliamentarian is allowed to be done, and it's been done many times in the past. So having said that

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jim murez: um, I do see that on the item at hand um, Helen is back in the in the audience. I'd like to give her a chance to have a public comment.

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Erica Moore: Erica. You had your chance for public comment on this item. Well, yeah, but I want you to know the meeting ideas expired right now. Yeah, Yeah, that's why we're doing a new meeting on Monday. We're going to do a new meeting for Monday with a new No, I mean right now for this meeting. I was just trying to log on on my computer,

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Erica Moore: and it's not. It's saying the Webinars expired for this meeting right here because I was trying to get off my phone

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Erica Moore: because I just got to my office, so I just didn't know if you're aware of that.

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Erica Moore: You know this. What I always do. I go to the Venice neighborhood account calendar, and then I click on the day, you know, on the um. Let me see, maybe

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Helen Fallon: and then we'll call another speaker. Sorry about that I my i'm on a kindle, and it's just acting up. Um, I I just wanted to say, I think that motion has got to be a lot more specific. You're supposed to have exactly who you're paying, and what you're buying, et cetera. It's a very vague motion for the

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Helen Fallon: for the holiday event. It's. You know how much is going to the soccer. How much is going for promotion? What's What's the details?

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Helen Fallon: So if you got that should be in the motion.

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jay: both in from outreach, is not a motion for the dollars. It's a motion to approve uh for the Board to approve. Actually participating. Then there's a separate motion. It will be a funding motion that will go through Budget,

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jay: which will have a breakdown of who's getting the money? How much money uh, and for what that money is being spent.

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jim murez: But Jim wanted that but for the seventy-two hour notice and that will be there tomorrow in a motion.

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Hi! This is Sima.

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Samsung SM-S906U: I was the maker, obviously of the outreach ocean. Um. I had joined later. Then the six Pm. Start time, Jim, I overheard you mentioning that we're supposed to have. Somehow there was a Brown Act

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Samsung SM-S906U: violation, and we're supposed to have the meeting on Monday.

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Samsung SM-S906U: I cannot continue to call my committee

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Samsung SM-S906U: to special meetings when the zoom link doesn't work

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Samsung SM-S906U: and it doesn't work,

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Samsung SM-S906U: having nothing to do with me

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Samsung SM-S906U: so we can't keep yanking people's

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Samsung SM-S906U: time, and we can't keep yanking People's schedule.

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Samsung SM-S906U: I had emailed the one participant that was trying to get onto the meeting with the correct

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Samsung SM-S906U: meeting, Id I cannot be responsible for technical issues. It's not fair to my time, and it's not fair to the committee's time, and We got to figure out a way to do this, because this is an important event for my community, and I did everything by the book,

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Samsung SM-S906U: and it's not fair to the six people that made themselves available. So I really urge this committee to take a look at how we do things and make it functional.

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jim murez: Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh, thanks, Emma.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. With that we'll close public comment.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: So

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where did it go?

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jim murez: Oh, so this was items eleven through thirteen. Do we have any committee.

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jim murez: Um discussion,

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jim murez: seeing none.

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jim murez: Um! Let's call for a vote.

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jim murez: I will vote. Yes

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jim murez: uh Daffodil. Yes,

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jim murez: Jay

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jim murez: j you there.

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jim murez: I'll come back. Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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like,

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Yes,

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jim murez: J: Are you back?

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jay: I'm here for some reason that zoned out,

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jim murez: Okay, uh, how are you voting on this? J: Of course. Yeah, Thank you.

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jim murez: So uh the motion carries five zero zero. Thank you.

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jim murez: Um, general consent. Let's see old business land use. We have one item, which was a seven zero zero vote. So it was put on to

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jim murez: um consent.

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jim murez: Um, I guess if nobody wants to take it off of consent,

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jim murez: then we are down to

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jim murez: um selections and rules. This one has to be removed to next month,

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jim murez: and then we're down to the Csi. So let's approve.

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jim murez: What was this? As soon as thirteen. So let's approve. Fourteen

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jim murez: through. Hang on one second. I've been four, fourteen through twenty, one

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Ivan: No, no you can't do twenty-one.

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jim murez: Well, we're moving it to next month. We're approving, moving it to next month.

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Ivan: Oh, okay, then.

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jim murez: Okay. I need a maker to of the motion.

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jim murez: Thank you. J. A. Second, Mike.

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jim murez: Thank you, Mike.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Okay, let's take public comment. Do we have any public comment?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh: we have no public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, Do we have any committee? Comment.

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jim murez: Oh, I just saw a hand pop up,

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jim murez: and I hadn't said close public comment. So can we take the the public comment?

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Yeah, I don't understand how long it takes to send a memo to your board. Um, many of whom argument on a committee um to see if somebody wants to be a board selection um, or the outreach to post notices for a new uh

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: uh board uh chair position an open chair position it's There's just seems to be a lot of failing here. You've got a whole agenda tonight with practically nothing on it. Sometimes we go to one in the morning with huge agendas, so Maybe it's nice to have a break, but I don't understand what kind of business is going on,

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: and I know Sima says she does everything by the book, but she waited to the last minute. Why wasn't the vote for the Christmas thing done at her last meeting in in September? It's just There's a lot of issues that's going on. And I really want you guys to do good for the community.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Um, I'm: Yeah, right. Please try to do better.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Lisa.

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jim murez: Um! And with that we'll close public comment,

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jim murez: seeing no hands.

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jim murez: Let's take a vote.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: I will vote. Yes,

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jim murez: Daffodil.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes,

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jim murez: Jay,

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think he mentioned he may

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jim murez: been wanting to meet today is having his birthday party. Jay, How are you doing? I'm. Back. Jay. Gay Boats. Yes. Oh, okay. Thank you. J. We're almost done.

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Uh Nico. How do you vote?

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Nico Ruderman: I vote? Yes,

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jim murez: he must be at J's party, too, Mike. How do you vote?

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jim murez: Yes, Okay. I'm. Just joking about that Nicole. Um, Five zero zero. Great. It carries. Okay, Now, this is the difficult one. We have to figure out what we want to do here. Um,

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Ivan: all right. So, Jim, I've looked at this all right. Um

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real quick.

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jim murez: Sorry,

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Mike Bravo: Can I can text what I real quick, so the audience kind of knows.

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jim murez: Yeah, let me let me put up

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Ivan: what what you wanted to to change it to. I don't know. Ivan. How do you? What were you going to say Alright, one second, Mike. Okay, But um, it, it's actually pretty simple.

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Ivan: I obviously the stuff about the resignation is is going to be a moot point because they announced today. They're not having any more council meetings until the other two guys resign,

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Ivan: so that's imminent. But time we have our board meeting.

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Ivan: Um!

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Ivan: If you want to go ahead and pursue the community impact statements, these need to be separate motions.

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jim murez: Why do they need to? No, no, No, no, wait a minute, wait a minute.

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jim murez: We don't have to make them separate motions if we, if we pass a motion that says Xyz, as soon as the Board passes the motion,

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jim murez: anybody with the authority to be able to post a community impact statement, I can post it to any of those council files. The listing of Wait, understand something I have, and the listing of those council files in part of the agenda item is just to remind me which council files it needs to be done to,

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jim murez: but that can be done at any point, and I can be done in two years from now,

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jim murez: or we could find a motion from five years ago, and we could still post that on a new council file today if it was addressing the issue.

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jim murez: So the what you're saying about not having the Council file. It's part of the description. It's not part of the motion.

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Ivan: No, no, All right.

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Ivan: What you filed

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Ivan: what you are basically saying is, the Board is filing a community impact statement. Then you have a choice either in favor

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Ivan: opposed to

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Ivan: in favor with comments or opposed to with comments,

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Ivan: and you have to list each of those separately. He has four against you. You have to break them out, and you have to say what the Council file is.

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Ivan: I've been, I've done. I've done. I've done community impact statements. I know how the system works.

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jim murez: I know, but everybody else right, and you're right. I do have. I do have to check one of those items, whether or not we're in favor of it or in favor with modifications, or opposed or posed with modifications. I have to do one of those, but

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Ivan: based on based on

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jim murez: based on what the motion says

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jim murez: that is there for the person who's posting it to do it. They also ask for a reference to the motion, so they can read it, and they end up posting all of that into the system. They don't modify what we post

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Ivan: all right. The motion before the board like looking at the first one, it would say, the board will file

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Ivan: a motion in support of Council file twenty, one, fourteen, seventy-two, and then a sentence or so explaining what that motion is.

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Ivan: So the public can see it,

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Ivan: and then you go to the next one. The next one would be a motion opposing

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Ivan: Council file twenty, two, nine, zero, zero, nine, eight one because it's it's different. You can't just say we're in favor of all these. He wants to take different positions. What you guys are right to do.

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Ivan: But you have to let your your public know what you're doing.

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Mike Bravo: Okay,

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jim murez: Hang on. Hang on, Ivan, because I think you're misunder. I understand what you're saying,

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jim murez: but I think that uh you're making it more complicated than it is, Mike. Go ahead.

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Mike Bravo: I made this uh cis um

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Mike Bravo: like with the Sunday night, the same day, or whatever the same. Now the all the events got rebuilt, and that's what this is, and I chose uh council files that I thought were relevant to um. The issues that, you know were relevant to the you know the the big tape.

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Mike Bravo: But obviously they had say Council had a meeting, and they have these new Council files that directly address

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Mike Bravo: those items. So

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Mike Bravo: what we're trying to do now is for my understanding. Correct me if i'm wrong. We're trying to just kind of simplify the verbiage here, and instead of these motions

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Mike Bravo: uh um push, and I guess, uh support the new kinds of files that were proposed just one of my two days ago after the Council.

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Mike Bravo: So just kind of get people little context of what we're dealing with.

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Ivan: Oh, okay, so it's. It's not. It's not clear what You' i'm just trying to make it clear for your stakeholders. I'm not trying to change what you're doing, Mike,

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Ivan: um,

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Ivan: and I do have one comment, which is one of them says, it's a twenty, twenty-two ballot measure and we cannot take a position on a ballot Mentor.

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jim murez: Okay. So for so everybody's aware. Mike rewrote the motion after we explained to him that it was very complicated. The original, whereas is in the original motion I just posted my

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jim murez: I just am now displaying on the screen. I can scroll up a little bit this part down here. Um from where my cursor is is highlighting in blue. Um! This is Mike's uh rewrite, and so this is the proposed motion for the Board for Tuesday night.

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jim murez: The question at hand is, Do we want to list the Council files, or do we want to just make the statement? And then we can figure out which council files, and how we respond to each of them individually offline.

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jim murez: We don't have to reference. The Council files in the motion.

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Ivan: You do not, and I don't. Yes, you do. You have to say what what the community impact statement refers to?

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Ivan: I mean, all right, I I i'm not going to argue with you. You have a different opinion. Fine!

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Um!

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jim murez: I mean it. It's your call. Freddie has explained to me. Ivan Ira. Explain to me that any board motion

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Ivan: once in board motion is passed can be applied to any Council file as a community impact statement. That's how the Department of neighborhood. No, no, I wrote. Yes, no, that's wrong, that that any any motion that the Board passes may be turned into a community impact statement.

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jim murez: It doesn't say that in the in that I wrote that, and that's what was in there. It doesn't say it in the worldwide change. I don't care. I don't want to argue with you, either. Ivan. It doesn't say that in the charter we can Certainly. No, it's not in the charter. Yeah, right.

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jim murez: The chargers would set that rule.

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Ivan: No, wait wait a minute. It's in the five fine print

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Ivan: up at the top,

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Ivan: on top of what,

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Ivan: at the top of the agenda. To the there are always at the end it was added into the fine print for the agenda. It goes for every agenda.

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jim murez: Are you saying that it's in the city? The city stuff down here,

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Ivan: I mean, I I have to try to find it here.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Yeah, You challenged me to find a bylaw once.

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Ivan: It's not in the bylaws. No, it's from me in the fine print and the agenda

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jim murez: board meetings kind of public access. It's not there.

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jim murez: I don't know what you're talking about. This wording came directly from done,

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jim murez: and it's been approved many times over.

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Ivan: Talks about grievances. It doesn't talk anything about community. We edit it in. We do not remember anything. They did. We added it in

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Ivan: I'm. I'm not going to argue with you, Ivan. We can have it. However, Mike wants to do it, and then the board and the public.

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Ivan: You have to take out the ballot measure, though.

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Mike Bravo: Yeah, I don't know what number that is, Mike, Do you

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Mike Bravo: comment and support? What's because what's the word? It's my reform ballot is to

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jim murez: um. Motion is to shut the chief legislative analyst with the assistance of the City of Time out time out, Guys, i'm going to go ahead and strike this original thing. Okay,

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jim murez: And i'm going to take the part, which is the whereas is, where's the actual motion,

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jim murez: and whereas blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah! We submit community impact statement. So this would have to then be the motion down here the Uh. Vnc. P. Or the Uh. Officers.

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Mike Bravo: But what are we actually doing? We're not. We're approving what we're not approving a community impact statement. We have to make a statement.

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Mike Bravo: Um, we're as reprehensible blah blah blah! And whereas the media account, Bill blah blah blah,

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Mike Bravo: because I pulled that uh off a template from a Cis we did like in January, simple to the point we basically supported

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Mike Bravo: support these council files.

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Mike Bravo: Um, Because of these reasons, and you know, it's pretty succinct,

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Mike Bravo: and I guess we could use some of that verbiage to actually make the motion which you kind of just did right now.

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Mike Bravo: But collectively, that would be the um. Those three programs would be the uh

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Mike Bravo: actual file that we send to file the Cis.

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jim murez: So, Ivan, how do we write this? It seems like the the Vnc. Board of officers

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Ivan: believes we would say the board uh the the Vmc. Board shall file the following community impact statement,

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Ivan: and then you can list them.

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jim murez: But those are you. You're not getting the point. What is the motion?

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Ivan: That's the most not filing community in the exile? The community impact statement with the whereas is because normally the where else it's not just that bottom section. We submit these committee. That's the bottom part. Now, if you want to write a narrative,

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Ivan: there's There's a space when you file where you can put it in a narrative. If you if you want to write stuff there. That's fine, but I which is what that pair of gavel is supposed to be. I mean, I I just don't get my. This is what I wanted to talk to you offline I I don't

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Ivan: I mean maybe it's just me. I I don't get what the uh heather hut appointment has to do

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Mike Bravo: with their racist stuff, and I don't want to get into that now. Yeah, no. But we're not pushing those we're only pushing these new accounts of files that we just propose

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Mike Bravo: on Monday,

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jim murez: You know. I I think I think that maybe i'm not being clear. But let me just try and understand the Vnc. Board of Officers

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jim murez: is,

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jim murez: supports Council files

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jim murez: that directly address these harms.

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We're getting somebody's First let me mute these conversations up here.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: The Board of officers of the Vnc. Makes a motion, and the motion states our position. So our position is that we believe that the

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jim murez: Council people acted incorrectly. It doesn't say that it says that we are

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jim murez: making a motion

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jim murez: to support Council files.

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Mike Bravo: Yeah, which the Council files themselves are direct accountability actions regarding those officers or those. But do you understand that if they change the Council file, we're still going to be in support of them? We Haven't made a statement about our intention our feelings about what's happened.

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jim murez: We want to. We want to go on record saying you guys did wrong, or you guys did right. Or you guys did Xyz or blue or green whatever. But we want to make that statement and then file a community impact statement that says that

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jim murez: against those five of those council files. Right? Okay. We don't want to say we support the Council file because the Council file could go through three more committees and come out completely different, and they're still going to have something there that says that we supported the Council file

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jim murez: is proposing that that the board be again. Okay. But But what i'm saying is, it's not that we're supporting the Council file. We're filing the community impact statement on the Council for the support of the Council file right.

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jim murez: But we don't. Have we don't have a rationale of what we're in support of, or what we're in denial of, or objecting to.

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Ivan: You See what i'm saying, you. We only have that in the where is it? You have to check the box when you fill out the form? All right. I give up. However, you want to tell me what to write, and i'll just put it in. I don't want to argue

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Daffodil Tyminski: just to. Is this definite? Would this be the kind of thing that once we see how this shakes out, then we have a special meeting just on this

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Daffodil Tyminski: that would be. I don't think anyone doesn't want to address it. But I don't think we really know what we're addressing at this point.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So that's my fear. I think that this is an issue that people would be willing to have a special meeting on,

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Daffodil Tyminski: You know. I I can't imagine we wouldn't get for them.

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Mike Bravo: And then you guys read the Let's say the report that uh, Freddie sent like four days ago, two days ago. Whatever it was.

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jim murez: Yeah, I I read over it briefly. I I mean, I very quickly browse through it. So yeah,

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jim murez: I'm not sure if there's an urgency to this item.

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jim murez: But I don't like the way that it's. It's written here because I feel like

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jim murez: the City Council members need to follow the same ethics and and the same code of conduct that we need to follow, and clearly they didn't do that,

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jim murez: and we need to state that, and then file that kind of a of a positive

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jim murez: statement against the Council files, and then we can say whether or not we support or deny that whichever the Council file is. But we need to get our feelings and our expression

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jim murez: of our reaction to what's occurred on record and by but what's filed? What we written here does not do that, except in the whereas is,

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Ivan: and then the whole thing has to be, whereas the So from just this committee we don't have. We're still functioning. That's where this would go. I agree. We don't have one.

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Mike Bravo: But uh and and honestly, I don't think those Council files are going to change course.

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Mike Bravo: We can go ahead and take out the uh Charter, if that one's kind of you know, people are convinced that that's kind of. If you want well, let's let's. We We deal with the suicide with censoring um

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Mike Bravo: the Council people.

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Mike Bravo: And um yeah, I don't think that's It's pretty straightforward. I don't I don't see it taking a different course, and

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Mike Bravo: them to not to sensor.

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jim murez: You know the people involved, and you know, picking a new president, and

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jim murez: approves or disapproves or submits community whatever you want to say. But it has to be so. How are we going to work this? You had the word we? I added the words Dvn. C Board of officers. How do you want to.

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Mike Bravo: That's on the board of officers

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jim murez: that will be consistent with our past. Cis:

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jim murez: Um, We. So we submit this to me. Impact statements

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jim murez: plural. This community impact statement in support of Council file proposals directly addressing Okay, So that right there is the option. Yeah. And this part here, the whereas this go up into the description.

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jim murez: This part up here whoops too far.

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jim murez: This part up here

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jim murez: get strike

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Mike Bravo: stricken.

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jim murez: This part down here gets our whereas is, and Now, um make a motion, Mike,

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Mike Bravo: so i'll make the motion to this.

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jim murez: Okay, we need a second with Nicole second. Thank you. Nico.

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jim murez: Um. And was there one of these that you wanted to take out and reverse.

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Mike Bravo: I believe Ivan was having some issue with the um.

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jim murez: Did you say one of them? One of them it says again, I can't tell which one it is but one it says you're against one of them all right. We'll figure that out one one hundred and ninety-six. That's the charter amendment. One one nine. That's this one. So say in parentheses. So ppo se.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And that's how that one seems very ad hoc and rushed. I mean, it's an important issue that we should address. But i'm not even sure what the motion is.

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jim murez: Yeah, at this point.

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jim murez: Okay. Um.

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jim murez: Now let's take public comment.

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jim murez: The motion is on the screen.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa, Go ahead,

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jim murez: Lisa. You need to unmute.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: I am squirming in my seat with embarrassment, for you all right now. Ivan starts it out by saying it's a mute point, You guys, It seems like every possible way to try and block this. I don't understand how other neighborhood councils in the last few days have already been able to get together. Right statements work together in

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: community and get these statements out. Let's just get a statement out, and then we can add council files later. It's important to set the record and add to the growing number of people calling for the resignation doesn't matter that it's a mute point or not. Everybody needs to be heard in a statement needs to be said.

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Let's give my till Saturday. You're giving everyone else till Saturday to the last minute to get those detailed motions together for budget for outreach. Why can't Mike have another day to put it together correctly,

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: you know, and then let the rest of the board decide. This is important, and it shouldn't be pushed off another month,

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Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: and by pushing it off shows also racial problems, too, and it can come back to you as well. Please take care of this, and let Mike have the motion to get this important important statement out.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Lisa.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um Vicky, go ahead.

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vicki halliday: Uh, I I partially agree with Lisa. I think we need to get this out, I think. Give Mike a little bit of time to rewrite this for me; the second, whereas is very complex and convoluted. I have no idea what it means. Let's just ask for their resignations

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vicki halliday: and get on with this. I mean, we need to get this in

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vicki halliday: um. Let Mike noodle it, and let's go with it.

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vicki halliday: Thanks,

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Daffodil Tyminski: thanks, Vicki.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Helen, go ahead,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and if you've already spoken, if you could take your hand down, that'd be great, because it

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Helen Fallon: you can. Um: Yeah. I'm: I'm. Confused between the original motion and the second motion. The numbers the council phone numbers seem to be different.

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Helen Fallon: So I I i'm not sure what you're voting on, or what you're proposing. I agree with the prior comments that were made. This is urgent. It

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Helen Fallon: it, and the focus is on asking for resignation. The censure thing is irrelevant. They're obviously not planning on censoring anybody. They want them to resign, So do we we should be taking a position one way or the other, and I thought that done something to everybody, giving what the

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Helen Fallon: what kind of language could be used, and what the different Council files were.

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Helen Fallon: So

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Helen Fallon: if you're gonna have a bunch of Council files listed, at least put the names of what they are. So people know what you're actually taking a position on, since they all are a variation or slightly different if there's not just one that focuses on resignation. Thank you.

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Thanks, Helen.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, and last we have Erica Moore,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Erica. Go ahead, and with Erica we'll close public comment.

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Erica Moore: Hey, there! I I, too, am an agreement that we need to get this out. I think we do need to to have uh Mike do his finesting to it,

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Erica Moore: and I think getting him a couple of days to do. That's a good idea. But I think that waiting is is not going to be in Venice's best interest.

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Erica Moore: That's what I have to say, Thank you so much, Mike, for taking the time to put that together.

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Okay,

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thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Are there any more public comments?

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: I just want to say that I think I agree. We can certainly wait until Saturday around noon time to get this thing correctly written. We can hold it on here as a placeholder.

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jim murez: Um. I also think that you know in the past we have listed council files with actual um urls which we would look them up, and that would be sufficient for supplying the names of what the items are. So we should actually do that as well if we're going to be filing against them. If one of them is in the negative, and the rest are in the positive, or we're supporting versus opposing, we should be clear about that which ones go. Which way?

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jim murez: Um, if we're going to include the Council files in there, and and I, I just really feel that it's important that we besides, ask for the resignation we make a statement of why these people acted completely inappropriately, in my opinion, and and they need to be heavily reprimanded for their abuse of power.

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jim murez: Um! And and it's not just the words that they used which are tremendously offensive, and the attack on the councilman's child, I mean. These are just unbelievable things that occurred. But it's the whole concept of this back door, back, back, back room dealing.

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jim murez: Um, You know these things need to be made very, very clearly that we're opposed to them, in my opinion. And And so, yeah, I would like to give Mike the time to Saturday. I don't know how the rest of you feel about that. We can put it on here as a placeholder. Um, if that's what we want to do. Let's do it. And and uh, Mike, i'm happy to work with you on.

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jim murez: How do we want to move forward, guys?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think we take a vote. I mean I I wasn't suggesting delaying this

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jim murez: a month. I I just thought i'm not sure that I need to propose an alternate motion which is to hold it on here as a placeholder and get the wording right for Saturday.

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jim murez: I just said that's fine with you, Daffodil. Okay, Mike Mike, how do you feel about that

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jim murez: as a placeholder.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But we do have Nico's hand raised, and then we need to take a vote. Go ahead, Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Um. First of all, I wanted to thank Mike for taking the time, and I know he's put a lot of time into this, and taking a time to actually do this. It's, you know it's very important. And then

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Nico Ruderman: um, I also want to say I agree with Jim. I mean, I I think it's very important that we say specifically how we feel. Um, And you know I mean these Council files are, you know, maybe important. But I I think we really need a a strong statement from us. Um. And that, you know I support to me mic as as much time as as we can.

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Thanks, Nico.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Why, don't we take a vote, Jim.

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jim murez: Okay, So

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jim murez: let me just highlight this. So everybody clearly sees that this is what we're doing.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: i'm going to vote. Yes,

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Daffodil Tyminski: yes,

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jim murez: Jay,

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jim murez: Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Yes, Mike.

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jim murez: Yes, Okay. So the motion carries will fix the wording and bring it back on Saturday. It'll be posted seventy-two hours ahead of time.

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jim murez: Um! This is also a placeholder motion.

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jim murez: This is a placeholder motion. So um! Assuming that they have a meeting on Monday, this will be filled in, and does anybody have any public comment about holding this on the agenda as a placeholder.

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jim murez: Daffodil. I think a hand went up.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um sorry. Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh Nick Anton cello go ahead.

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Nick Antonicello: Yeah, i'm on the uh

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Nick Antonicello: on the outreach committee. And

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Nick Antonicello: you know, this is like the third time that we're having the

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Nick Antonicello: over the same issue, and I don't know if she's going to be able to get a quorum for this meeting, so I don't know what happened tonight that makes that meeting legal

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Nick Antonicello: or not valid. That was never explaining.

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Nick Antonicello: So uh having a hell of a time with a bunch of volunteers making them meet over and over again over the same issue.

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Nick Antonicello: This it's like political redundancy. It's so incompetent

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Nick Antonicello: that Tell me why the meeting tonight wasn't valid. I mean, can someone explain that.

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jim murez: No, i'll. I'll explain it. Nick,

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Nick Antonicello: Are you done with your comment? Okay,

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jim murez: Um. The meeting was not held tonight because there was a screw up in zoom um. The original meeting was scheduled for uh five, forty-five

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jim murez: and um The The uh

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jim murez: original link that was used in the original agenda was from a reoccurring meeting which had already occurred. That was changed, and when it was changed there was a typo that I made the error in the title of the Um uh

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jim murez: event. It just said my Webinar, instead of saying that it was a

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jim murez: uh outreach twenty-four hour special meeting. So I corrected it, and within one minute sent back a corrected

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jim murez: link.

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jim murez: Somehow the corrected link

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jim murez: that that I was able to start

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jim murez: got completely changed by the time it got put on the agenda, and it wasn't either the reoccurring meeting or the

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jim murez: um um, corrected one, or the incorrect one. It was some other link that

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jim murez: zoom assigned to it.

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jim murez: So it's not clear exactly how the number that was posted

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jim murez: by Sima on the web got posted with the

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jim murez: Url that had the the id of the meeting, but the meeting Id changed to something that I didn't schedule, and hadn't been scheduled previously as in as a reoccurring meeting.

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jim murez: So it's not clear exactly how that Id got changed. It's was a technical screw up. Um! I do believe that

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jim murez: the bottom line is we can't wait until

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jim murez: five minutes before the time that the meeting has to be posted to start scheduling it, and and I think that that's the underlying problem that that you know there. Everybody has busy schedules right now, and we have to try and stick to having the meetings conducted in an orderly way

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jim murez: on the date and time that the meeting is scheduled for

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jim murez: you can look at the email. Look at the email links, Daffodil, you. You made the comment back to me in one of the emails.

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jim murez: Anyway, that's what happened, Nick. You now have your explanation.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: I think that that was the last agenda item.

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jim murez: So are we going to put this on the calendar? We need a maker

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh staff at all. I'll make the motion.

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jim murez: Thank you, Daffodil. Thank you. Nico.

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jim murez: Um. Do we have public comment on putting this on the I guess we are. Okay, Sorry. Um. Any other committee comments,

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jim murez: seeing none. Let's call for a vote. Yes.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Deaf to Oops. Sorry. How do you vote? Daffodil. Yes, okay.

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jim murez: Um Jay.

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jim murez: I think he's having his party. It's his birthday,

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Nico Ruderman: Nico. Yes,

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jim murez: mike

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Mike Bravo: Yes,

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jim murez: and that concludes this at seven hundred and twenty-one that don't go away.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: we have to go back to

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jim murez: the place where we have to come back to.

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Ivan: We had come agenda number ten.

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Yup!

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jim murez: We're coming back here,

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jim murez: and we had a maker, Mike, and a seconder of Daffodil. Do we need to take public comment? I think as we already did, right. Yeah, Okay, Now, public comment happen within the within the Take a vote. I'm going to vote. Yes,

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jim murez: Daffodil. Yes.

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jim murez: Jay,

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jim murez: Nico:

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah, Mike.

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Mike Bravo: Yes.

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jim murez: And that carries four zero zero.

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jim murez: And do we have any items? Not on the agenda that we want to talk about?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I have to go. I actually I have to be somewhere at seven. Thirty.

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Ivan: Okay, one minute. So let me say we don't need to vote anything at all. Okay, thank you all very much. I appreciate it. Bye, bye, Jim, I talked to you about this before, and I'm seeing why it's happening

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Ivan: you need to the chair should be voting last.

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Ivan: I explain to you. Why, in case there's a tie, Then the chair gets to understand the The reason it's happening is because you're you're listing your name first under roll call. So you're calling yourself first,

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jim murez: seeing none. Meeting is adjourned

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jim murez: at seven hundred and twenty-three.

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jim murez: Thank you. All Have a good night,

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jim murez: Mike. Let's try. I can't do it tomorrow morning. I got the market all day. Um, Okay, We can talk briefly uh tomorrow evening. Maybe if you can hook up with Ivan in the meantime. Uh, please, please take into consideration the comments that both Nico and myself made. We want to get

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jim murez: the justification for why we feel the way we feel in here Right? It's It's very important.

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