WEBVTT 1 00:00:26.010 --> 00:00:27.950 Off my video tonight. 2 00:00:57.720 --> 00:01:05.900 jim murez: How are you? So I can't turn on my video because i'm at my doctor's office. So i'm using my plot, and I don't have a whole lot of 3 00:01:06.140 --> 00:01:08.960 Daffodil Tyminski: make me co-host, and you can jump off. 4 00:01:09.070 --> 00:01:12.980 jim murez: No, no, I I I I need to be on the in this meeting. But uh 5 00:01:13.150 --> 00:01:14.960 jim murez: that shouldn't be a problem. 6 00:01:15.680 --> 00:01:20.640 jim murez: My phone. Okay, I'll make you co-host anyway. 7 00:01:22.380 --> 00:01:26.559 Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, we can then make J. Co-host. And then you can just listen in. 8 00:01:27.530 --> 00:01:29.280 jim murez: Yeah, No, I think it's. 9 00:01:29.950 --> 00:01:34.240 Daffodil Tyminski: Let's see what happens when I turn on my video. It may lock me up if I can. 10 00:01:35.320 --> 00:01:38.079 jim murez: I turned on video, but it's not really working. 11 00:01:39.990 --> 00:01:42.279 jim murez: Yeah, I don't think there's enough beyond with, 12 00:01:42.930 --> 00:01:45.860 jim murez: says the videos on, but nothing's coming through. 13 00:01:46.090 --> 00:01:48.320 Daffodil Tyminski: That's okay. 14 00:01:54.760 --> 00:01:57.870 Daffodil Tyminski: I'm in Philadelphia coming back in the morning. 15 00:01:57.930 --> 00:02:01.630 jim murez: Oh, all right. So I saw Joe out walking the dog. 16 00:02:01.650 --> 00:02:04.350 But he did. Okay, Yeah. He flew back last night. 17 00:02:05.320 --> 00:02:08.270 Daffodil Tyminski: He was supposed to stay out here with me, but he um! 18 00:02:08.759 --> 00:02:15.420 Daffodil Tyminski: A judge, called a hearing on him at eight thirty this morning, so he like had to scramble and fly like the last flight out of New York to get back. 19 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:17.440 Daffodil Tyminski: Philly, 20 00:02:19.880 --> 00:02:22.579 jim murez: I mean get back to La 21 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:26.120 jim murez: Hope. The plane wasn't crowded. 22 00:02:26.720 --> 00:02:31.089 Daffodil Tyminski: They're all crowded now. Every flight I take is packed, 23 00:02:31.470 --> 00:02:34.799 jim murez: so do you upgrade your ticket at the gate? 24 00:02:35.250 --> 00:02:42.520 Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I have like really high status, so usually, either. If I don't buy a first class of it, I get upgraded. 25 00:02:43.490 --> 00:02:44.440 Daffodil Tyminski: So 26 00:02:44.750 --> 00:02:46.940 Daffodil Tyminski: like tomorrow I got upgraded to come back. 27 00:02:47.670 --> 00:02:48.750 jim murez: That's cool. 28 00:02:48.780 --> 00:02:49.680 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, 29 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:58.359 Daffodil Tyminski: it's good because I actually flew back from Paris. Um, a couple of weeks ago, in like the way back of the plane. 30 00:02:58.470 --> 00:03:02.269 Daffodil Tyminski: And, man I was like, Wow! This is a long flight to be. 31 00:03:02.480 --> 00:03:03.380 jim murez: Yup: 32 00:03:03.500 --> 00:03:04.350 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, 33 00:03:06.730 --> 00:03:12.819 jim murez: yeah, my son. Just went business class to London, but came back and coach. 34 00:03:12.970 --> 00:03:15.820 jim murez: And he said, coming back, it was really packed 35 00:03:15.980 --> 00:03:19.209 jim murez: because it's a longer flight, too. 36 00:03:20.770 --> 00:03:27.710 Daffodil Tyminski: Um! And you know it'd be so easy for them to make it a better flight like It's such a shame to me that they don't. 37 00:03:28.760 --> 00:03:43.629 Daffodil Tyminski: I don't know I don't. I never understood airlines, but they could easily make that flight. Like every once in a while you fly an airline where the coach flights great, cause it's like they give you water the whole time like It's like the things that you would want to make the flight nice are so simple, 38 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:57.800 Daffodil Tyminski: but you know the industry has changed a lot from at least when I was growing up. 39 00:03:58.030 --> 00:04:06.549 jim murez: Well, I think there are still some that are nice. I think air France is nice, I think, is nice. Some of the the smaller countries so well. 40 00:04:06.700 --> 00:04:07.680 jim murez: You know 41 00:04:07.900 --> 00:04:13.159 jim murez: France is not a smaller country, but but they have really good service. 42 00:04:14.600 --> 00:04:21.800 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, that's totally true. You're Peter, I think, is another one. 43 00:04:26.900 --> 00:04:29.830 jim murez: Okay? Well, this meeting needs to starts in. 44 00:04:53.300 --> 00:04:56.060 jim murez: Who else is on Budget seamus on Budget 45 00:04:56.760 --> 00:04:59.530 Daffodil Tyminski: Sima? J. Obviously 46 00:04:59.610 --> 00:05:00.830 Daffodil Tyminski: Helen. 47 00:05:00.910 --> 00:05:03.300 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, uh-huh, um 48 00:05:04.020 --> 00:05:06.300 Daffodil Tyminski: Is I I haven't maybe on budget. 49 00:05:06.490 --> 00:05:08.030 jim murez: I don't remember 50 00:05:08.230 --> 00:05:09.630 Daffodil Tyminski: um 51 00:05:09.670 --> 00:05:12.260 jim murez: George is on what rules right? 52 00:05:13.380 --> 00:05:16.869 jim murez: I think George is on rules and select on budget. 53 00:05:17.830 --> 00:05:24.739 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I think that's right, although I don't think he's. I mean, we've been had a rules meeting a while, but I don't think he's also been to a meeting in a while. 54 00:05:26.350 --> 00:05:27.520 Daffodil Tyminski: Um! 55 00:05:28.600 --> 00:05:31.809 Daffodil Tyminski: And I imagine whoever the new chair is, will 56 00:05:32.090 --> 00:05:35.530 Daffodil Tyminski: be able to put whoever they want on there. Right 57 00:05:37.860 --> 00:05:39.170 Daffodil Tyminski: Um, 58 00:05:40.030 --> 00:05:43.739 Daffodil Tyminski: By the way, it's been rating like torrential downpour here at 59 00:05:43.920 --> 00:05:46.690 I forgot what It's like to be in this much rain. 60 00:05:46.900 --> 00:05:48.429 Daffodil Tyminski: I was like, Huh! 61 00:05:49.050 --> 00:05:52.409 Daffodil Tyminski: I guess I can't walk where I was going. 62 00:05:54.090 --> 00:05:57.159 Daffodil Tyminski: It rained here on Saturday. 63 00:05:58.020 --> 00:06:04.230 Daffodil Tyminski: No, but I mean, it's. It was like torrential all day sheets of rain kind of thing 64 00:06:11.960 --> 00:06:23.380 Daffodil Tyminski: we have. Ivan Jim: 65 00:06:38.220 --> 00:06:42.360 jim murez: Okay, yeah, we have Cj. And Lisa in the Audience: 66 00:06:49.400 --> 00:06:52.370 jim murez: That funny that's my reminder to start this meeting. 67 00:06:52.470 --> 00:06:54.420 Daffodil Tyminski: I guess it doesn't 68 00:06:54.650 --> 00:06:56.680 jim murez: actually been started. 69 00:06:57.950 --> 00:07:00.239 jim murez: I have a meeting that's gonna go on for a while. 70 00:07:00.300 --> 00:07:01.619 jim murez: I'm gonna do this. 71 00:07:01.900 --> 00:07:03.730 What they're going to do one first. 72 00:07:05.150 --> 00:07:06.509 jim murez: Oh, there's J: 73 00:07:06.790 --> 00:07:11.189 jim murez: Yeah, i'm working on it. Let's see who gets our first. 74 00:07:14.380 --> 00:07:16.359 Daffodil Tyminski: The glasses are a little crooked. 75 00:07:17.540 --> 00:07:19.200 Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, we've got Sima. 76 00:07:19.420 --> 00:07:22.250 jim murez: Yeah, I promote it for, too. 77 00:07:23.030 --> 00:07:24.480 jim murez: So that's a quorum. 78 00:07:24.730 --> 00:07:37.510 jim murez: I can't turn on my uh. Can you hear me? Yeah, I can't turn on my video because I'm in the doctor's office waiting to to be seen. But I can do the meeting. 79 00:07:37.620 --> 00:07:39.400 jay: We have quantum, 80 00:07:39.580 --> 00:07:44.959 jay: I believe. So it is six o'clock. 81 00:07:45.340 --> 00:07:48.120 jay: Can you pull up the agenda? 82 00:07:49.680 --> 00:08:06.659 jim murez: Let me make sure. Hold on one side, and maybe either give your co-host to J. Or give. My host can also share this with me. There, now, it's multi-shared. Okay, So that means, uh J. Can share his or seam or somebody 83 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.790 jay: somebody share it because I don't 84 00:08:09.360 --> 00:08:20.170 jim murez: you. You want to be co-host There, Jay, are you the only child? I don't share. I I I I just promoted Helen. 85 00:08:20.630 --> 00:08:24.369 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, I will share the screen with 86 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.600 Daffodil Tyminski: hopefully. I'm trying to do it with the agenda share. 87 00:08:33.090 --> 00:08:33.980 Daffodil Tyminski: What 88 00:08:34.059 --> 00:08:51.900 jim murez: is Vicki on this committee? Who? Oh, you know what I just realized when you brought up the agenda that this is one that I created. So we wanted to vote. I should probably do share from my screen. That that's what I was saying. Yeah, I can bring it back up. So let me let me do that. I'll do. Okay, all right. I'm gonna then. Yeah, 89 00:09:24.750 --> 00:09:27.660 jim murez: sure. But let's see. Can you see that? Okay, 90 00:09:28.530 --> 00:09:29.619 Daffodil Tyminski: it's coming 91 00:09:31.410 --> 00:09:33.380 jay: There you go. 92 00:09:33.980 --> 00:09:36.890 jay: Okay, All right, Let's roll up. 93 00:09:38.100 --> 00:09:45.110 jay: Welcome, everybody. It is uh October seventeenth, and we are having a budget and finance meeting. 94 00:09:45.390 --> 00:09:49.630 jay: Um, keep scrolling, please. Thank you. Keep going, 95 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:54.850 jim murez: so i'm trying to get a time stamp on this 96 00:09:57.310 --> 00:09:58.600 second, 97 00:09:59.970 --> 00:10:02.129 jay: so we have a call to order. 98 00:10:03.590 --> 00:10:05.490 jay: It is six hundred and three. 99 00:10:11.550 --> 00:10:13.139 jim murez: So J. Is here. 100 00:10:13.570 --> 00:10:15.080 jim murez: James is here. 101 00:10:15.490 --> 00:10:17.860 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, 102 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.910 jay: seamer is here. Ivan: 103 00:10:27.130 --> 00:10:29.760 jim murez: Yeah. Okay. 104 00:10:29.780 --> 00:10:31.540 Helen Fallon: Here 105 00:10:31.600 --> 00:10:34.659 Sima Kostovetsky: I'm. Here i'm here 106 00:10:36.490 --> 00:10:40.270 jay: any exparte communications or conflicts of interest. 107 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:55.020 jim murez: I I I spoke to a different people about the the two items that are on the agenda to you. J. And I think, uh, perhaps somewhat too, with Daffodil, and with C month, and also, I think, with Ivan so 108 00:10:56.010 --> 00:10:59.310 Daffodil Tyminski: and same for Major, I have as well, 109 00:11:00.580 --> 00:11:03.050 Daffodil Tyminski: okay 110 00:11:10.070 --> 00:11:12.890 Ivan: about uh putting the budget together 111 00:11:12.980 --> 00:11:14.390 Ivan: for her event. 112 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:23.700 Sima Kostovetsky: This is Sima. Obviously, I spoke with Ivan and J. And J. About putting my budget together. So thank you. 113 00:11:25.100 --> 00:11:29.960 Helen Fallon: And I've had some questions I sent into J. And the members of the committee. Helen: 114 00:11:34.220 --> 00:11:35.560 jay: Okay, 115 00:11:36.280 --> 00:11:41.659 jay: public comment items, not on the agenda. Is there any public present? 116 00:11:43.000 --> 00:11:44.700 Daffodil Tyminski: Uh, there is, 117 00:11:44.830 --> 00:11:53.060 Daffodil Tyminski: uh, we have no hands raised for public comment on items not on the agenda. 118 00:11:53.790 --> 00:11:59.720 jay: Uh, let's start with. Actually, i'd like to go to item seven first, because it's going to be quicker, 119 00:12:00.640 --> 00:12:02.360 Daffodil Tyminski: Jim, Could you scroll down? 120 00:12:03.540 --> 00:12:04.450 Oh, 121 00:12:05.170 --> 00:12:11.880 jim murez: down to item seven, Jim, 122 00:12:12.330 --> 00:12:14.080 jay: Motion by Jim, 123 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:16.839 Daffodil Tyminski: it's staff it a lot of it. 124 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:18.270 jay: Daffodil. 125 00:12:18.640 --> 00:12:21.449 jay: Is there any public comment on this item 126 00:12:23.370 --> 00:12:28.370 Daffodil Tyminski: uh so far seen up? I do see Lisa Redmond has her hand raised. 127 00:12:28.420 --> 00:12:31.430 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, Lisa, go ahead 128 00:12:32.490 --> 00:12:43.200 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: uh I'm going to. Uh yes, it will ease your mind and make things easier. But at the same time, Is it really necessary 129 00:12:43.210 --> 00:13:04.449 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: if everybody was doing their uh meetings on a regularly scheduled time, as they're supposed to, and not coinciding with another, and not waiting until the very last minute because of four planning to do a fifteen minute meeting just to get it in the agenda before the other meeting. There really wouldn't be a need for another zoom license. 130 00:13:04.460 --> 00:13:11.160 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: So I I think it really comes down to. We're taking an easy way out because of everyone else's poor planning, 131 00:13:11.200 --> 00:13:12.050 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: but 132 00:13:13.180 --> 00:13:19.909 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: it's not that much, but I I just want to point that out. Thank you. Thank you. Any other public comment. 133 00:13:20.050 --> 00:13:26.890 jay: We have no other public comment, we can close public comment. 134 00:13:27.150 --> 00:13:35.960 Helen Fallon: Um, yeah, My comment is, how is this going to work? If you have simultaneous meetings, how will this ensure that the public can attend both meetings 135 00:13:36.910 --> 00:13:38.330 jay: can't ensure it. 136 00:13:38.630 --> 00:13:45.769 Helen Fallon: Well, I know. But is that A. Is that a conflict with the Brown Act? If you're basically 137 00:13:45.870 --> 00:14:03.029 jay: so, what are there? Are there some rules regarding having two licenses that done is set forth, or what 138 00:14:03.040 --> 00:14:11.309 jay: open a meeting? Is it not necessarily because of conflicting meetings? This is they won't be at the same time. Is that what you're saying? 139 00:14:11.370 --> 00:14:22.479 jay: Well, they could be. But you know, if the Neighborhood Council is doing their job. They shouldn't have two meetings at the same time, because that does disenfranchise people. 140 00:14:22.560 --> 00:14:39.289 Helen Fallon: Well, then, maybe we should propose, if we're going to be doing this, proposed. Amend this to propose that there's a standing rule that you can't have simultaneous meetings just to prevent that. Yeah, that standing rule would have to be a separate agenda. Item. Uh, and 141 00:14:39.320 --> 00:14:49.880 jay: because that's this is a funding item, and that's a standing rule about meeting time, so that changes the the motion itself, which you can't do. 142 00:14:50.140 --> 00:15:06.090 jay: You have to notice it 143 00:15:06.100 --> 00:15:15.059 jay: mit ctl, and the bottom line is, You can't do it. We're a funding group, that's all. We are Well, it doesn't substantially change the intent of the motion. Thank you, Helen. Jim. 144 00:15:15.510 --> 00:15:22.169 jim murez: Um! I would just like to to comment that. Um. I don't think anybody that has never had to 145 00:15:22.180 --> 00:15:41.410 jim murez: be responsible for the zoom license of an entire Neighborhood Council has any idea how much work it actually is for every single meeting. I have to spend at least four instances at Zoom. Each one takes a a certain amount of time, including the person requesting the zoom, starting, the meeting, 146 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:47.190 jim murez: taking the meeting after it's been complete and moving it to Youtube, 147 00:15:47.320 --> 00:15:53.060 jim murez: posting it to the Vnc's website. It's just a tremendous amount of work. 148 00:15:53.070 --> 00:16:23.060 jim murez: Um, I don't top the meeting. Then the meeting continues to run until I get around to stopping. It means I have to be there at the end of the meeting, too. It's it's a huge amount of work. It's taking me. And and, mind you, we have eight or nine different committees. That means I have to do that eight or nine times at least four instances of going to to the Zoom website and to the Vnc's website and to the Youtube website, and It's just a hell of a lot of work having a second person. The table to help with. That is a huge relief to me, and we'll allow 149 00:16:23.070 --> 00:16:37.799 jim murez: me to get some of the other things done that as a President I would like to be able to do, but quite literally. I haven't had time to do. Um, I think that that one thing that is very important that we do the issue about simultaneous meetings. 150 00:16:38.070 --> 00:16:40.190 jim murez: We we frequently have 151 00:16:40.230 --> 00:16:55.459 jim murez: committees that want to start their meeting at. Let's say five, thirty, and somebody else wants to start their meeting at seven. One one would think that um meeting starting at five, thirty would be over by some. But that's not necessarily always the case. 152 00:16:55.470 --> 00:17:02.319 jim murez: So, being able to have two simultaneous meetings like Loop, he starts at seven. That's fine, but 153 00:17:02.650 --> 00:17:08.049 jim murez: it starts at five thirty. This meeting starts at six, I mean, you know It's like 154 00:17:08.060 --> 00:17:32.229 jim murez: you know what we'd be done in an hour if we're not done in an hour, then nobody could start a meeting at seven, and on that note let's see if we can get done in an hour, having having two licenses, is going to be a big benefit, and it does allow me a little bit of time to be away from my computer like tonight. I met my doctor's office. Um starting this meeting if I didn't have to. 155 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.029 jay: Okay, Jim, thank you. Is there anyone else that wants to speak on this, 156 00:17:38.170 --> 00:17:39.640 jay: seeing none, 157 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:44.839 jay: Jimmy, put your hand down uh we'll take. We'll take a vote on this 158 00:17:48.970 --> 00:17:50.230 jim murez: um 159 00:17:50.400 --> 00:17:51.940 jim murez: calling for the vote. 160 00:17:52.980 --> 00:17:55.010 jim murez: So G. A. Yes, 161 00:17:56.930 --> 00:18:01.019 jay: Jim. Yes, Daffodil 162 00:18:01.300 --> 00:18:02.420 jay: Sima, 163 00:18:05.520 --> 00:18:07.000 jim murez: she needs to run that. 164 00:18:07.850 --> 00:18:09.320 Daffodil Tyminski: You don't mute. 165 00:18:13.970 --> 00:18:16.150 Ivan: Ivan. Yes, 166 00:18:16.620 --> 00:18:22.859 jay: Helen, that standing abstain. Sima last call. 167 00:18:24.040 --> 00:18:30.789 jay: Yeah, okay, seven is done. It is five hundred and one. 168 00:18:31.870 --> 00:18:34.070 jay: Let's go back to Item six. 169 00:18:34.270 --> 00:18:38.800 jay: This is the budget for the Eleventh Annual, Venice holiday sign lighting. 170 00:18:39.060 --> 00:18:41.469 Ivan: I'll make the motion. Jay. 171 00:18:41.550 --> 00:18:45.059 jim murez: So it's moved by Ivan 172 00:18:45.290 --> 00:18:46.880 jay: Jim Second, 173 00:18:47.410 --> 00:18:56.749 jay: Is there a public comment now? I'm gonna i'm gonna preface this to everybody uh that. We don't do the merits 174 00:18:57.030 --> 00:18:58.779 jay: of the motion. 175 00:18:58.900 --> 00:19:07.390 jay: We just need to be sure that what they are trying to do is legal within the funding system, 176 00:19:07.420 --> 00:19:11.470 jay: and from what category the money will come from if it's approved 177 00:19:11.960 --> 00:19:25.959 jim murez: in case you're on a way of J. Let me just mention one thing. This morning there was another meeting that was conducted to eleven, fifteen. It was by outreach, and they also voted to uh 178 00:19:25.970 --> 00:19:33.940 jim murez: to commit themselves to this, although it's not part of this motion. But I just wanted to let you know in case you didn't know about that. 179 00:19:35.100 --> 00:19:39.099 jay: Okay, any public comment on this Lisa one minute 180 00:19:40.770 --> 00:19:59.979 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: uh well, first, if you're not doing the merits. Who is because I was told this morning that the outreach committee didn't have to. And yet you made a standing rule That, said the Budget Committee. Would that which means go over these? Exactly. 181 00:19:59.990 --> 00:20:06.450 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: So i'm a little confused. Why didn't we have this an opportunity, then, in committee to 182 00:20:06.760 --> 00:20:08.370 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: discuss the merit? 183 00:20:08.380 --> 00:20:26.959 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: But I'm still going to discuss the merits because I have my remaining one minute. It is way too much money. Why are we spending four dollars per item on a promotional item. Fine! That's good enough. But then we are spending another eight hundred and fifty dollars for an unnamed 184 00:20:27.000 --> 00:20:37.149 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: holiday outreach. Item promo items, and then individually rap, treat. If we're going to do treat, and uh, individually, wrap, Why, aren't we going to a local bakery? 185 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:54.010 Lisa Redmond - Venice Catholic Worker: Why are we spending money to advertise an event that is not a city promoted event, and that the chamber already promotes on their own. Why, don't you? Thank you, Lisa. Thank you, Lisa. Is there any other public coming? 186 00:20:54.420 --> 00:20:58.469 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, we have. Cj's hand raised. Um, 187 00:20:59.910 --> 00:21:05.030 CJ Cole: Okay, Um, I don't see anywhere where this budget has been 188 00:21:05.330 --> 00:21:22.990 CJ Cole: looked at by anybody. Any committee, any committee whatever, or been approved by any committee, so I don't know why, how it can be in front of the Budget Committee without having been presented to or approved by, the outreach committee, 189 00:21:23.010 --> 00:21:28.909 CJ Cole: and I go to all the meetings, so I know it has not been even presented, 190 00:21:29.920 --> 00:21:33.780 CJ Cole: and I brought that up today at the meeting, and they, you know, 191 00:21:33.820 --> 00:21:39.759 CJ Cole: said that I didn't. It didn't need to be, but it's got to be approved somewhere before it gets to you. 192 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:41.459 CJ Cole: Thank you. 193 00:21:42.480 --> 00:21:44.749 jay: Any other public comment. 194 00:21:45.640 --> 00:21:54.429 Daffodil Tyminski: Um, no, I think with that J. We can close public comment. And could you guys lower your hands, please. C. J. And Lisa, any Board member, comment 195 00:21:56.990 --> 00:21:58.060 jay: Helen. 196 00:21:58.940 --> 00:22:08.379 Helen Fallon: I agree with Cj's comments. This has not come from the Outreach Committee. I don't know where it came from, apparently from Ivan. 197 00:22:08.430 --> 00:22:18.249 Helen Fallon: Maybe, Sima, I don't know individuals, so it hasn't been reviewed. There's been no discussion, as was pointed out. This is a Chamber of commerce. 198 00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:34.940 Helen Fallon: Um! The event? Why would we be promoting and spending six hundred dollars on advertising, which we can't, because the city prohibits us from advertising and promoting other. You know non governmental agencies, events one hundred and fifty, 199 00:22:34.950 --> 00:22:40.110 Helen Fallon: unless we're sponsoring that that's not what the motion was from outreach, 200 00:22:40.370 --> 00:22:55.180 Helen Fallon: and I don't think There's enough detail here. The photography services are. Are we're much more expensive Before have we negotiated something with Venice Paparazzi? We have no invoices for any of this stuff, 201 00:22:55.220 --> 00:23:06.209 Helen Fallon: so I you know. And again it should have gone through outreach. That's the whole point of having committees is to having the public be able to comment on these things. We're not in a position to do that, 202 00:23:06.490 --> 00:23:12.819 Helen Fallon: and I think there's some issues here that this is not going to pass muster with the city unless it's cleaned up. 203 00:23:14.040 --> 00:23:15.120 jay: Jim. 204 00:23:15.810 --> 00:23:17.629 jim murez: Yeah, thank you. Jay. Um. 205 00:23:17.770 --> 00:23:24.770 jim murez: My feeling is this is a very large budget It comes out to thirty-eight, ninety-nine I think something around there. 206 00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.160 jim murez: Um 207 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:31.139 jim murez: that you know, when I stop, and I thought about it earlier today. 208 00:23:31.450 --> 00:23:32.550 jim murez: Um! 209 00:23:32.780 --> 00:23:42.119 jim murez: It seems to me that if we were to give. I mean, i'm only guessing if how many people show up for this event. But i'm guessing somewhere between three and four hundred 210 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:48.880 jim murez: um. I don't think there's too many more people than that that they go to the event because I've been every year for many years. 211 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:49.950 jim murez: Um! 212 00:23:50.160 --> 00:23:53.449 jim murez: If we were to give each person ten dollars cash. 213 00:23:53.600 --> 00:23:55.799 jim murez: It will come out to about the same budget, 214 00:23:56.370 --> 00:24:03.890 jim murez: and I just wonder if that's really what we want to be, You know, if we really want to be spending at that level of 215 00:24:03.990 --> 00:24:05.789 jim murez: of of uh 216 00:24:05.870 --> 00:24:08.809 jim murez: contribution for stuff that 217 00:24:08.980 --> 00:24:26.419 jim murez: I don't know if anybody ever ends up remembering that the Venice Neighborhood Council did that, and I think that there are some very good aspects of this. I know that the uh, the the photography, and having Santa Claus sit there, who, I assume, is going to be Ivan again. 218 00:24:26.430 --> 00:24:36.689 jim murez: But if not, we'll have to find somebody. But but I think that that's a real benefit as long as the photograph says that it was sponsored by the dentist neighborhoods. 219 00:24:37.700 --> 00:24:43.010 jim murez: And and with that in mind I know that last year 220 00:24:43.060 --> 00:25:02.560 jim murez: there was a lot of complications about whether or not we had rights to reuse the photographs on our website and our promotional material, and the amount of time that it took us to get the photographs before we could do it. It wasn't anymore. During the holiday season it came way after that, and it would be nice if 221 00:25:02.570 --> 00:25:13.180 jim murez: if we had an understanding of what the contract was allowing us to do with someone like the paparazzi the then as Paparazzi 222 00:25:13.210 --> 00:25:14.500 jim murez: um. 223 00:25:14.650 --> 00:25:30.940 jim murez: So I guess my feeling is I'm going to support the motion, but I think that before it goes to the board I would definitely like to see the board also have a copy of the Uh agreement between whoever the photography service is going to be, 224 00:25:30.950 --> 00:25:43.299 jim murez: and the Vnc. I want to make sure that we get the photographs in a very timely fashion, and that we have the right to be able to reuse those photographs in any promotional we do, 225 00:25:44.300 --> 00:25:46.169 jim murez: I'll. I'll conclude with that. 226 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.090 jay: Thank you. Uh, Daffodil. 227 00:25:49.760 --> 00:26:10.110 Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I mean I Jim, I don't know where you're getting this information from. But last year um, I think there were between four and five thousand people that went to the sign lighting. It's by far the biggest event in Venice every year. It um! It is some of the Thank you, Lisa, for your commentary, and if you would like me to mute you so you can't make comments, I will. But I wasn't making that comment 228 00:26:10.120 --> 00:26:11.260 the 229 00:26:11.270 --> 00:26:30.739 Daffodil Tyminski: sorry it was me. I'll take responsibility, Daffodil I was. I had left my mute thing on. Oh, sorry I will meet myself. Sorry about that. Um, and it's some of the best publicity that the Venice Neighborhood Council gets. I know, in my particular neighborhood and groups of people. The Vnc is basically invisible to anything they care about except the 230 00:26:30.770 --> 00:26:49.079 Daffodil Tyminski: you know crisis of quality of life. We have coming out of the bridge housing and uh, the the signlighting was one of the most positive things. I think we do. Um we to to understand why we're doing this now is Previously This was done at a later meeting, 231 00:26:49.090 --> 00:27:07.980 Daffodil Tyminski: and now the city is requiring us to do it much further in advance. Well, not all of the vendors are ready to deal with us this far in advance. Um. So we have to basically advance, you know, approvals for this, so that we have a budget so that we can negotiate with the vendors and actually get things done. 232 00:27:08.010 --> 00:27:17.800 Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I mean I I support this event wholeheartedly. I think the Chamber makes nothing off of it. In fact, I think they lose money on this every year. 233 00:27:17.810 --> 00:27:33.899 Daffodil Tyminski: Um! This is purely for the community I get that we have naysayers that no matter what we do, or no matter what seema does, it's going to be criticized, even if those criticizing have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, and Don't understand what's gone on fine, 234 00:27:33.910 --> 00:27:51.370 Daffodil Tyminski: but in for the sake of the community the Santa Booth was incredibly popular. The photo booth was incredibly popular. The bike lights are all over Venice. It's one of our biggest promo items, and if you would paid attention to like the legacy events that we've been doing at the V. And C. Everyone would know that 235 00:27:51.380 --> 00:28:09.429 Daffodil Tyminski: um. And to say that three or four hundred people go is is crazy. I last time I had Fbi and the Coast Guard come um to bring their Coast Guard boats, and we had kids all over the place, hundreds of kids playing on, all of the you know, toys and stuff they brought, so 236 00:28:09.740 --> 00:28:24.019 Daffodil Tyminski: I would support this. Um! We are, you know we've done the same event every year What the vendors are generally, how much they cost should not be a shocker to anybody. Um! So 237 00:28:24.030 --> 00:28:31.789 Daffodil Tyminski: you know I'm sure we can look back for historical information on that. But I would completely support this event. Thank you. Daffodil, C. J. 238 00:28:33.800 --> 00:28:35.999 Ivan: C. J. Is not a committee member. 239 00:28:36.560 --> 00:28:42.020 CJ Cole: I'm gonna use my twenty-two seconds that I have. 240 00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.049 jay: Sima, Please go ahead. 241 00:28:47.950 --> 00:29:12.270 Sima Kostovetsky: Thank you. Um! I just would like to thank Daff for your support. You are one of the people that actually volunteers with me for this event. So you know exactly how much work goes into it, and we participate with other government agencies. Last year we worked together with the police and the bike registry. That was part of the deal with the bike lights. 242 00:29:12.580 --> 00:29:25.120 Sima Kostovetsky: I I I can never understand why we have to defend doing good things for our community. I don't understand. I'm not breaking any rules, and 243 00:29:25.300 --> 00:29:29.539 Sima Kostovetsky: it's by the way, I would like to actually 244 00:29:29.780 --> 00:29:46.830 Sima Kostovetsky: say the same thing that Deaf said we had more than four thousand people come through. It is an identifying event for Venice. It is a local event for Venetians, and this year we are looking to partner with the police once again, and they are looking to bring out their Santa sled. 245 00:29:46.840 --> 00:29:52.109 Sima Kostovetsky: So it keeps growing. This event keeps growing, and 246 00:29:53.300 --> 00:29:58.300 Sima Kostovetsky: that's all I have to say, and I would really. 247 00:29:58.580 --> 00:29:59.600 jay: So 248 00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.560 jay: i'm going to take the last bite at the app and answer some questions 249 00:30:03.770 --> 00:30:05.680 jay: uh number one 250 00:30:05.820 --> 00:30:19.469 jay: uh My understanding is the problem with the pictures last year was the contract said that the Company Paparazzi still own the pictures, and it's illegal under funding, and that will not happen this year 251 00:30:19.530 --> 00:30:35.999 jay: Number two. It took a long time to get pictures, because it took a long time to get them paid, because the contract was over a thousand dollars, and it couldn't be paid on the P. Card. And because of the the discrepancy of who owned the pictures it just took longer and longer. 252 00:30:36.010 --> 00:30:42.139 jay: We've straightened that out this year by telling Paparazzi that it has to be in the deal that 253 00:30:42.290 --> 00:30:55.649 jay: uh the Neighborhood Council owns the rights to the pictures, and we'll have them, and nine hundred and ninety-nine is the most that can be paid because of the fact that they want to get paid quick. That's the only way for me to get them paid quick. 254 00:30:55.710 --> 00:30:59.540 jay: Every single item on this agenda has a vendor, 255 00:30:59.970 --> 00:31:01.470 jay: a vendor name, 256 00:31:01.770 --> 00:31:05.450 jay: so that makes it compliant 257 00:31:05.600 --> 00:31:08.090 jay: as far as putting it through 258 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:11.780 jay: again. We don't, we don't look for 259 00:31:11.840 --> 00:31:19.760 jay: they should have candy. They shouldn't have candy. They should have bike lights. It should have water bottles. Everything in here is completely compliant, 260 00:31:19.860 --> 00:31:31.280 jay: and, as far as not being able to support an event in our community. Yes, we can. We don't have to be a sponsor. Um! But everything we do has to have its logo wanting. 261 00:31:31.610 --> 00:31:37.089 jay: And uh, you know, we need to let people know that it came from the Neighborhood Council. 262 00:31:37.330 --> 00:31:48.869 jay: So on that note I have a motion, and I have a second, and I have no more comments. So we are going to go to a vote. 263 00:31:49.070 --> 00:31:51.949 jay: Yeah, you spoke already. We're ready to take a vote. 264 00:31:52.160 --> 00:32:01.260 jay: You You had three and a half, four minutes, and you know we all have our votes. Jim and I really don't like going through three and four and five bytes of the app. 265 00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:05.779 jay: You know we know what we had to say. We say it, and we move on. 266 00:32:06.190 --> 00:32:08.999 jay: So i'd really like to go to a vote, please. 267 00:32:10.570 --> 00:32:15.320 jay: So the vote is starting roll call. Jay says, Yes, James. 268 00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:20.770 jim murez: Yes, 269 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.090 jay: Daffodil. 270 00:32:24.080 --> 00:32:26.240 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, 271 00:32:26.660 --> 00:32:28.840 jay: yes, Ivan. 272 00:32:28.890 --> 00:32:30.490 Ivan: Oh, ho, ho! 273 00:32:31.570 --> 00:32:32.540 Ivan: Yes! 274 00:32:32.690 --> 00:32:33.990 jay: And Helen 275 00:32:38.080 --> 00:32:39.060 jay: Helen. 276 00:32:40.140 --> 00:32:43.349 I just know. She raised her hand. I'm not sure Why, 277 00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:45.220 jay: Helen, 278 00:32:46.330 --> 00:32:49.070 jim murez: she may be in the audience for someone. 279 00:32:50.300 --> 00:32:52.670 jim murez: She somehow loots her position. 280 00:32:52.810 --> 00:32:56.450 Sima Kostovetsky: Okay, 281 00:32:56.590 --> 00:33:14.580 jay: let's call for Helen. 282 00:33:14.940 --> 00:33:20.920 jay: Um. That is the conclusion of our meeting items. 283 00:33:20.980 --> 00:33:23.740 jay: Uh: I will take a motion to adjourn 284 00:33:24.580 --> 00:33:28.399 Daffodil Tyminski: it's staff. It will all make that motion. 285 00:33:29.050 --> 00:33:31.029 Daffodil Tyminski: Do I have a second? 286 00:33:31.700 --> 00:33:36.949 jay: You need one. I'll take the second 287 00:33:38.600 --> 00:33:42.020 Daffodil Tyminski: and have a good night. Thank you all. 288 00:33:42.100 --> 00:33:45.110 Daffodil Tyminski: Alright. Have a good night, everyone. 289 00:33:49.740 --> 00:33:50.820 jim murez: J: 290 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.420 jay: Yes, sir. 291 00:33:52.690 --> 00:34:01.289 jim murez: Um. Make sure we get a copy of that contract with the uh for the photography. Absolutely. That'll be for tomorrow. 292 00:34:01.320 --> 00:34:07.280 jim murez: The Board needs to have back up for everything 293 00:34:07.330 --> 00:34:18.669 jim murez: you got it. 294 00:34:19.520 --> 00:34:25.999 Helen Fallon: So how do you guys know that they're going to accept that price. This is so. 295 00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:29.350 Ivan: Who is going to make up the difference? 296 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:31.209 Ivan: The Chamber.