WEBVTT 1 00:01:22.540 --> 00:01:25.199 Keith Harrison: Good evening, Keith. How are you 2 00:01:25.790 --> 00:01:34.969 Keith Harrison: talked to Jay? And I said i'd be here just to be in the back in the corner in case anybody has any questions. But I am not going to. 3 00:01:34.980 --> 00:01:36.039 jim murez: Okay. 4 00:01:37.130 --> 00:01:39.479 jim murez: So, hopefully, it's a real quick meeting. 5 00:01:39.490 --> 00:01:41.299 Keith Harrison: Yeah, that'd be great. 6 00:01:42.570 --> 00:01:46.359 jim murez: Actually, there's a rack meeting that i'm supposed to be in also. But 7 00:01:46.910 --> 00:01:49.990 jim murez: these are overlapping. So what can I say? 8 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:51.799 jim murez: It is what it is 9 00:01:51.860 --> 00:01:56.680 Keith Harrison: I sent you the email which we switched our meeting time to the second one. 10 00:01:57.550 --> 00:02:00.240 jim murez: Okay, I haven't seen it yet, But i'll look for it. 11 00:02:00.250 --> 00:02:02.899 Keith Harrison: Okay, So we just need uh, 12 00:02:02.910 --> 00:02:05.580 Keith Harrison: yeah, yeah, i'll wait for uh 13 00:02:06.700 --> 00:02:08.080 about October. 14 00:03:10.610 --> 00:03:18.029 jim murez: This may be this meeting, maybe starting a little bit late. I'm not sure if Jay is able to make it. Now, if I see he's on line. 15 00:03:20.690 --> 00:03:31.469 jim murez: It was originally scheduled for six, and then it got changed to six, thirty, and it. I couldn't change it because it was too late. It would have overlap with the seventy two hour notice. So 16 00:03:31.480 --> 00:03:33.949 Ivan: yeah, that that was because for me. 17 00:03:34.260 --> 00:03:35.710 Ivan: But I made it. 18 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:37.820 jim murez: Oh, 19 00:03:37.980 --> 00:03:48.500 Ivan: well, anyway, so we're starting it at six. But let's see if if we get a quorum at six or so try calling. We may have to wait until six thirty to actually get to. 20 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.580 jim murez: He's online. 21 00:03:59.600 --> 00:04:01.770 jim murez: He's not muted now. He's muted. 22 00:04:02.190 --> 00:04:03.839 jim murez: Now he's not muted. 23 00:04:03.850 --> 00:04:06.589 Ivan: Oh, it was here. Okay, he's here, 24 00:04:10.190 --> 00:04:12.149 jim murez: but we still don't have a quorum. 25 00:04:17.540 --> 00:04:21.689 Ivan: Who else is on this committee, I think, is Da, and I forget. Let me look at it. 26 00:04:21.700 --> 00:04:25.330 jim murez: Yeah, I was just going to bring up the agenda. I can share my screen and 27 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:28.319 Ivan: make it official. Here, let's say, um, 28 00:04:28.510 --> 00:04:30.420 Ivan: j fema, 29 00:04:30.870 --> 00:04:33.880 Ivan: you and me Daffodil and Helen 30 00:04:34.250 --> 00:04:36.739 Ivan: because it's six. So we need four 31 00:04:38.170 --> 00:04:41.490 Sima: gentlemen. This is Sima I'm. 32 00:04:41.500 --> 00:04:42.610 Ivan: I 33 00:04:43.610 --> 00:04:46.390 Ivan: It's a seamless here. So when J. Gets it 34 00:04:46.400 --> 00:04:48.849 Ivan: when you get J in, then we can start. 35 00:04:49.060 --> 00:04:50.400 jim murez: Okay, 36 00:05:10.520 --> 00:05:14.930 jim murez: Let me quickly. Ping Daffodil. Maybe she forgot. 37 00:05:35.570 --> 00:05:36.789 Ivan: Yeah, I can. I just. 38 00:05:37.940 --> 00:05:40.450 Ivan: Oh, okay, We're waiting for you to start. 39 00:05:46.140 --> 00:05:48.290 Ivan: All right. I'll I'll check with Jim. 40 00:05:48.770 --> 00:05:49.789 Ivan: Take Jim. 41 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:54.190 Ivan: Yeah, there's the I see he's now in there a second time. So i'm going to promote you. 42 00:05:54.200 --> 00:05:57.990 Ivan: He's He changed computers. You have to promote him as a 43 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:58.990 powers, 44 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.090 jim murez: and I promote Helen also, and then we have a quorum. 45 00:06:03.100 --> 00:06:04.770 Ivan: Okay, 46 00:06:05.270 --> 00:06:09.480 jim murez: I have promoted them. They have to respond, Ellen responded, 47 00:06:09.640 --> 00:06:13.050 jim murez: waiting for Jay to promote himself to agree. 48 00:06:14.820 --> 00:06:16.390 jim murez: J. Agreed. 49 00:06:16.840 --> 00:06:18.460 jim murez: Let me 50 00:06:18.880 --> 00:06:21.400 jim murez: make J. Co-host. 51 00:06:24.150 --> 00:06:25.909 Jay Handal: Okay, we're all here. 52 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:34.579 Jay Handal: All right. Guys Happy Monday, No, boy. Oh, boy, Happy Monday. So. Uh let's see. Let's do a roll call 53 00:06:34.970 --> 00:06:37.840 Jay Handal: she handle is here, James Meres. 54 00:06:37.850 --> 00:06:40.360 Jay Handal: I'm here at appendale. 55 00:06:41.740 --> 00:06:46.519 Jay Handal: I just pinged her. I don't know if she's gonna make it or not. 56 00:06:46.670 --> 00:06:47.800 Sima: Here, 57 00:06:47.910 --> 00:06:50.040 Ivan: Ivan 58 00:06:50.320 --> 00:06:58.499 Jay Handal: Helen, here awesome. We have a quorum. Any expertate communications or conflicts of interest. 59 00:07:00.110 --> 00:07:03.469 jim murez: I had conversations with 60 00:07:03.770 --> 00:07:06.280 jim murez: Keith about uh 61 00:07:06.310 --> 00:07:17.399 jim murez: the the meetings that he's having, and I had conversations or our email messages, I should say, with some of the Board members about their business cards. 62 00:07:17.910 --> 00:07:22.739 jim murez: I also communicated with you, Harrison, about business cards. 63 00:07:23.620 --> 00:07:24.939 jim murez: That's all. 64 00:07:25.390 --> 00:07:26.660 Jay Handal: Okay, 65 00:07:26.670 --> 00:07:33.870 Jay Handal: I did communicate with Sima and Jim and Hugh, and 66 00:07:34.250 --> 00:07:39.649 Jay Handal: you know about different different items on the agenda, none of which would conflict 67 00:07:40.950 --> 00:07:42.570 Jay Handal: anybody else, 68 00:07:43.740 --> 00:07:52.880 Jay Handal: seeing none. Number five announcements and public comment on items, not on the agenda. Do we have any public comment the 69 00:07:55.720 --> 00:07:59.490 Jay Handal: we see hands raised. We only have one person in the audience. 70 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:06.620 Jay Handal: Okay, seeing none. We'll move on to Number Six approval of the emmyr's. I'll make the motion. 71 00:08:06.650 --> 00:08:08.870 Jay Handal: Um, i'll second it. 72 00:08:13.160 --> 00:08:16.760 Jay Handal: Anybody have any comment on the 73 00:08:16.770 --> 00:08:21.069 Helen Fallon: Yeah. Lisa Redmond has her hand up. 74 00:08:21.900 --> 00:08:24.080 jim murez: Are you taking public comment first? 75 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:26.310 jim murez: Okay, 76 00:08:26.470 --> 00:08:28.389 jim murez: Lisa, Go ahead, please. 77 00:08:28.880 --> 00:08:32.979 Lisa Redmond: I think Allen had a clarifying question that should come before public comment. 78 00:08:34.289 --> 00:08:36.840 Jay Handal: Sorry. Um! What a comment, please. 79 00:08:37.330 --> 00:08:40.200 Jay Handal: You can ask the question in public comment. 80 00:08:40.630 --> 00:08:48.489 Lisa Redmond: No, Helen is on your committee, and she had a clarifying, and I will bring her in when we go to board. Member Comment: 81 00:08:48.500 --> 00:08:53.489 Helen Fallon: Well, usually you take the clarifying questions first. You have any comments. 82 00:08:53.500 --> 00:08:55.179 Lisa Redmond: You have any comment, Lisa 83 00:08:55.190 --> 00:09:07.089 Lisa Redmond: do. But i'm just pointing out Robert's rules 84 00:09:07.100 --> 00:09:09.870 concerns about the June, 85 00:09:09.980 --> 00:09:20.609 Lisa Redmond: because there is a five hundred dollar expense for the on the June emer to the Argonaut for a candidate forum. 86 00:09:20.630 --> 00:09:34.489 Lisa Redmond: How are we spending money for something that although the board approved it, it was spent before. Ah, there was a bac put in ultimately, which the city disapproved. 87 00:09:34.680 --> 00:09:41.639 Lisa Redmond: So how are we spending something that we shouldn't have been spending money on, because the city said, No, 88 00:09:43.100 --> 00:09:45.770 Jay Handal: thank you. Any other public comment, 89 00:09:47.220 --> 00:09:51.140 Jay Handal: seeing none. Public comment is closed. Any Board member comment. 90 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:58.079 Jay Handal: Helen has her hand up. Alan. Helen. 91 00:09:58.140 --> 00:10:03.620 Helen Fallon: Yeah, um. I would appreciate. Since this came up at the last board meeting, 92 00:10:03.630 --> 00:10:05.609 Helen Fallon: comments were made that 93 00:10:05.740 --> 00:10:24.550 Helen Fallon: those of us who were quite concerned about the large amount of money that was in the ending balance in June were wrong, and that we didn't know what we were talking about, and that there was some behind the scenes things that were going on. So it really wasn't going to be this enormous amount of money that was going to be going back to the city, and I think 94 00:10:24.570 --> 00:10:30.570 Helen Fallon: we all deserve the transparency here, and you apparently met Jay with the city. So 95 00:10:30.670 --> 00:10:33.690 Jay Handal: what happened. That's all that's going on. That's oh, 96 00:10:33.700 --> 00:10:42.740 Jay Handal: that's off topic on the M er we can have a topic on the m er the balance of the me R. Is an issue for the 97 00:10:42.990 --> 00:10:52.109 Jay Handal: it's off topic for the approval of the Me. R. The M. Our. Is what the city generates, based on expenditures and current cash value. 98 00:10:52.120 --> 00:11:00.180 Helen Fallon: So you don't want to discuss why we ended up. That was waste one thousand or twenty one something, whatever it was. At the end of the month. At the end of the year 99 00:11:00.280 --> 00:11:04.210 Jay Handal: we will discuss it, but not during the M. Ours. 100 00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:08.090 Jay Handal: We are now only approving M. Ours or not approving. 101 00:11:08.100 --> 00:11:12.489 Helen Fallon: Well, and I do also echo the question that was asked by the public. 102 00:11:12.800 --> 00:11:15.990 Helen Fallon: How are we paying for something that was just allowed? 103 00:11:16.130 --> 00:11:32.650 Jay Handal: So she wasn't proud to be clear. The The candidate forum ended up being disallowed, but the ad ran, and the city is responsible for paying the end, and the city determined they have to pay it because they have that liability. So they 104 00:11:33.090 --> 00:11:36.539 so they're not planning on taking it out of our carryover. 105 00:11:37.340 --> 00:11:45.510 Jay Handal: No, it's coming out of the actual budget. The carryover is there, and the carry over is already allocated into, I believe, elections 106 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:52.740 Jay Handal: any other questions on the June. 107 00:11:54.100 --> 00:12:02.989 Helen Fallon: So what Are we going to discuss the ending balance, Jay, just seeing none with it before the meeting is over, seeing none will take the vote. 108 00:12:03.730 --> 00:12:07.380 Jay Handal: Jay, handle both. Yes, James Meres. 109 00:12:07.820 --> 00:12:09.400 jim murez: Ah, yes, 110 00:12:09.580 --> 00:12:12.520 Jay Handal: Daffodil is not here. Steam? 111 00:12:13.000 --> 00:12:16.370 Sima: Yes, Ivan. Yes, 112 00:12:16.770 --> 00:12:18.050 Helen, 113 00:12:20.330 --> 00:12:21.969 Helen Fallon: i'm out stating 114 00:12:22.530 --> 00:12:25.699 Jay Handal: Epstein. Okay, Iron Number seven, the 115 00:12:27.110 --> 00:12:29.240 Jay Handal: the July M. We are 116 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:34.100 Jay Handal: is there any? I will make them? I will make the motion. 117 00:12:34.290 --> 00:12:38.920 Ivan: Okay, Can we do that in August together? Okay, 118 00:12:39.380 --> 00:12:41.840 Ivan: that's fine. Make the motion 119 00:12:42.690 --> 00:12:51.129 Ivan: So i'll make. I'll make the motion for both of them. Okay, we have a motion for July and August, so we have a second 120 00:12:51.490 --> 00:12:55.669 Jay Handal: seconded by Ivan. Is there any public comment, 121 00:12:58.130 --> 00:13:01.760 Jay Handal: seeing none. Is there any Board Member coming? 122 00:13:03.980 --> 00:13:08.969 Jay Handal: Seeing none. We will then go for the vote. J. Handle? Yes, 123 00:13:10.190 --> 00:13:12.879 jim murez: any one second. Okay, 124 00:13:13.110 --> 00:13:14.700 jim murez: Jim. Yes, 125 00:13:15.010 --> 00:13:17.489 Jay Handal: that for those now Here, Seema. 126 00:13:17.500 --> 00:13:19.890 Sima: Yes, Ivan. 127 00:13:19.900 --> 00:13:23.019 Ivan: Yes, Helen. Yes. 128 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:29.480 Jay Handal: Okay. Well, let me. Let me. Just let me just catch up the same thing. 129 00:13:30.240 --> 00:13:32.610 jim murez: It just takes a second. 130 00:13:33.610 --> 00:13:34.680 jim murez: Okay, 131 00:13:34.710 --> 00:13:49.300 Jay Handal: All right. Item Number eight board office of business cards. It was voted in the last board now because of the new fiscal year it has to be revoted. James, make James Muir making the motion. 132 00:13:49.680 --> 00:13:51.320 Jay Handal: I'll second it. 133 00:13:52.080 --> 00:13:55.750 Jay Handal: Is there any public comment on business cards? 134 00:13:56.980 --> 00:13:59.839 Jay Handal: I have. Daffodil is here. 135 00:13:59.900 --> 00:14:05.049 Jay Handal: Okay, hang on one record. Second, let me promote her, 136 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:08.990 jim murez: and Lisa Redmond has her hand up. 137 00:14:09.000 --> 00:14:10.510 Jay Handal: Okay, Lisa, 138 00:14:10.920 --> 00:14:14.139 Lisa Redmond: I'd like to know how the five hundred dollars is allocated? 139 00:14:14.350 --> 00:14:26.590 Daffodil Tyminski: Obviously not per person. But is it up to so much per person because somebody shouldn't be ordering five hundred business cards between, when there's only a few months left to go on the term. 140 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:48.670 Jay Handal: I believe the minimum order is two fifty. It's coming from this to print, and those who want cards will fill it in. Those Don't want cards will not fill in the excel sheet. The maximum expenditure for everybody. Total will be five hundred dollars, and honestly, I don't think we will exceed two, fifty, three on. 141 00:14:48.680 --> 00:14:53.589 Lisa Redmond: Well, then, you' your motion to say up to five hundred dollars per person for business cards, 142 00:14:53.600 --> 00:14:56.689 Lisa Redmond: because that if thirteen people want five hundred dollars 143 00:14:56.700 --> 00:14:57.990 Lisa Redmond: where the business cards, 144 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.729 Lisa Redmond: it's not per person. Well, you just 145 00:15:02.740 --> 00:15:19.220 Jay Handal: I did not. I said it's up to five hundred dollars. There's two hundred and fifty cards per person, whatever that works out to, and I don't believe we will exceed two hundred and fifty to three hundred dollars for That's what I said, 146 00:15:19.740 --> 00:15:23.240 Lisa Redmond: All right, I hear differently. But thank you. 147 00:15:23.250 --> 00:15:31.400 Jay Handal: We're going to go. We have no other public coming, but we have. We will now go to board. Member, comment Helen Fallon. 148 00:15:31.490 --> 00:15:41.770 Helen Fallon: Yeah. I'd like to propose that we also. Then we include then, and just make it clear that this is for up to two hundred and fifty business cards for a board member who wants them? 149 00:15:41.990 --> 00:15:43.360 Jay Handal: That's fine. 150 00:15:43.370 --> 00:15:50.690 Helen Fallon: You know that we just have that detail in there, and if we're getting it from this to print that should be included in the thing, too, if that's how we priced it out, 151 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:53.180 Jay Handal: you know. I'm good. With that, too, 152 00:15:53.190 --> 00:15:54.890 Helen Fallon: you know a little more detail. 153 00:15:54.900 --> 00:16:07.630 Jay Handal: The Nc. Board of offices approves up to five hundred dollars for Bnc. Business cards, two hundred and fifty cards per person for those who want it to be purchased from this to print. 154 00:16:08.170 --> 00:16:09.699 Are you okay? With that? 155 00:16:09.980 --> 00:16:11.390 Helen Fallon: No, I I am 156 00:16:11.400 --> 00:16:12.290 Jay Handal: okay, cool. 157 00:16:12.300 --> 00:16:13.810 Thank you. Good. 158 00:16:28.350 --> 00:16:43.639 Jay Handal: Okay. So we have a motion that's with. We're just gonna start the motion over it. That's the motion, Jim. You are opening it. I am seconding it, and let's take about five. Oh, yes, 159 00:16:46.070 --> 00:16:47.170 Jay Handal: Jim, 160 00:16:47.400 --> 00:16:49.520 jim murez: hang on one second. 161 00:16:49.580 --> 00:16:54.469 Jay Handal: Yes, no problem. Oh, what daffodils Now, here, 162 00:16:55.580 --> 00:16:57.189 jim murez: wait this in Daffodil here. 163 00:16:57.200 --> 00:17:02.280 Ivan: I have to hold on one second on. Yeah, I got to check her off here. 164 00:17:02.290 --> 00:17:08.890 Jay Handal: No problem that Fidel is here. And where are we? We are here. Okay, 165 00:17:08.900 --> 00:17:10.000 jim murez: Daffodil, 166 00:17:10.010 --> 00:17:10.900 jim murez: You're here. 167 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:12.140 Yes, 168 00:17:12.520 --> 00:17:13.720 Jay Handal: Seymour. 169 00:17:14.520 --> 00:17:17.609 Sima: Yes, Ivan. Yes, 170 00:17:17.690 --> 00:17:19.680 Jay Handal: Ellen. 171 00:17:19.780 --> 00:17:35.289 Jay Handal: Thank you. Item Number ten emergency preparedness refreshments and outreach order boxes approves up to five hundred dollars for emergency preparedness, refreshments and outreach. I'll make the motion. 172 00:17:35.500 --> 00:17:38.090 Jay Handal: Okay motion By who? Who was that, 173 00:17:38.100 --> 00:17:39.170 jim murez: Jim? 174 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.939 Jay Handal: Sorry it came in. Really weird, sounded you. 175 00:17:43.420 --> 00:17:48.310 Jay Handal: I don't know, computerized. I'll make this. I'll make the second. 176 00:17:48.320 --> 00:18:08.180 Jay Handal: So for those of you who are ah asking what it is an emergency preparedness meetings ah are requesting to have an ice cream, social or some kind of refreshments and flyers for outreach to get more people involved in emergency preparedness in events. 177 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:10.970 Jay Handal: Is there any public comment on this? 178 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.060 Jay Handal: I have Lisa Redmond. 179 00:18:14.970 --> 00:18:26.130 Lisa Redmond: Yes, I think we should hear from Mr. Harrison on this, because I don't think it's refreshments, because bylaws do not allow for refreshments at committee. I think it is for a separate event. 180 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:38.980 Jay Handal: Okay, So to be clear, we looked at the bylaws and looked at the standing rules, and there was nothing in the bylaw as all the standing rules that preclude any refreshments at committee members. 181 00:18:41.940 --> 00:18:46.690 Jay Handal: So we we went through that prior to this meeting 182 00:18:46.930 --> 00:18:48.480 Jay Handal: I'm doing that. 183 00:18:48.750 --> 00:18:53.289 jim murez: Yeah, Jay, this is Jim Lisa. Do you have a particular paragraph or section or page? 184 00:18:53.300 --> 00:18:57.490 Lisa Redmond: I'll have to find an email it to you right now. I do not have it at hand, 185 00:18:57.500 --> 00:18:59.219 Lisa Redmond: but you have. 186 00:18:59.230 --> 00:19:00.840 jim murez: But you did look it up. 187 00:19:00.980 --> 00:19:03.340 Lisa Redmond: I have seen it many times. 188 00:19:03.350 --> 00:19:13.660 Lisa Redmond: Okay? Well, if you can, by the time it gets to the board. If that's the case, then it'll be stricken either way. I do believe it is a specific event that they wanted to have an ice from social, 189 00:19:13.670 --> 00:19:15.370 Lisa Redmond: not the regular Me? 190 00:19:15.870 --> 00:19:23.140 Jay Handal: Okay? Well, we'll hear from him. But my understanding was: it was going to be at the next several meetings that they have. But correct, 191 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:25.959 Jay Handal: Keith. Are you able to speak, Keith? 192 00:19:26.950 --> 00:19:33.480 Keith Harrison: Yes, hello. The intent is to hold a 193 00:19:33.490 --> 00:20:01.719 Keith Harrison: a a stakeholder engagement meeting of the committee to recruit people to go over what they are interested in as far as programs and preparedness needs. It's a discussion type of thing, one of one which we'll be doing ice cream, social, and there may be some others where we have refreshments that, like the art walk or some other types of things. We're trying to get out there and reach out to people where they are 194 00:20:01.730 --> 00:20:18.970 Keith Harrison: and engage them and find out what what they're interested in, as far as training and and and and that type of stuff. So it's an engagement. These are meetings. These are not outreach events per se. And so that's what we're asking. 195 00:20:19.280 --> 00:20:20.480 Jay Handal: Thank you. 196 00:20:20.950 --> 00:20:24.540 Jay Handal: Um, I don't see any other uh 197 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:29.909 Jay Handal: stakeholder comments. So we'll close public comment Board member comment. 198 00:20:32.220 --> 00:20:36.209 Jay Handal: Do we have any Board members who have our Helen has her hand up, 199 00:20:36.220 --> 00:20:37.750 Helen, please. 200 00:20:37.870 --> 00:20:52.689 Helen Fallon: Um, yeah, I guess i'm a little confused because I thought this was tabling events that they were going out into like other people's events like the art walk or something, and basically doing a tabling event. And there would be some refreshments which is 201 00:20:52.700 --> 00:21:07.630 Helen Fallon: permissible under the funding guidelines, that you have some package things. But now i'm confused because it sounds like you're actually holding actual meetings that are brown, active meetings. I I just I don't understand what you're doing anymore. 202 00:21:07.640 --> 00:21:13.480 Helen Fallon: Tabling is one thing, and that's not a problem. But we're holding a brown, active meeting. It's a whole different thing. 203 00:21:13.980 --> 00:21:16.999 Jay Handal: Well, uh, maybe Keith can clarify it 204 00:21:17.250 --> 00:21:47.039 Keith Harrison: it. We these these are under the advice that we have had from the treasure as far as staying kosher with with the rules, and at least what I was able to read out of the bylaws we are operating. Ah, these as meetings! They are single-purpose meetings. We will post an agenda post a meeting, as we have in some of our training. Ah meetings and events so. But we're what we're not. So we're having 205 00:21:47.070 --> 00:22:01.110 Keith Harrison: this meeting to engage the stakeholders, and we are using the ice cream social thing as a means to you know. Make it a little bit more interesting, and bring people out 206 00:22:01.120 --> 00:22:07.390 Keith Harrison: um rather than people feeling. Oh, gosh! It's emergency preparedness, and they're going to lecture. 207 00:22:07.990 --> 00:22:15.590 Helen Fallon: I get what you're trying to do. I'm just concerned that you're actually holding an event, and that's a whole different set of rules versus a tabling thing which is 208 00:22:15.600 --> 00:22:32.020 Keith Harrison: that has to do with the funding guidelines to be clear. I've already gone through this with Keith, and he's staying within the guidelines, and he's perfectly fine. 209 00:22:33.270 --> 00:22:43.229 Helen Fallon: So this is not an event when he's holding it not an event. It's it's a posted it's a posted meeting. It's not an ice cream. Social. 210 00:22:43.240 --> 00:22:54.790 Jay Handal: It's a posted meeting that will have ice cream. It's not an ice cream, so it's. 211 00:22:54.800 --> 00:22:55.890 Jay Handal: I don't. 212 00:22:55.900 --> 00:23:03.239 Jay Handal: I don't do anything outside of the funding guidelines, because all it does is cause me ten times the work and a lot of grief. The 213 00:23:03.330 --> 00:23:18.580 Jay Handal: which is why I had this conversation with Ah, with Keith prior, and I gave that in my disclosure. So this is what it is. It's a meeting, and we're looking to purchase some refreshments and flies. 214 00:23:19.580 --> 00:23:20.589 Jay Handal: It's. You're in. 215 00:23:20.600 --> 00:23:24.490 Helen Fallon: He is aware of what the the rules are about these things, 216 00:23:24.500 --> 00:23:28.010 Helen Fallon: and they'll follow those you you've given them those guidelines. 217 00:23:28.370 --> 00:23:30.589 Jay Handal: Yeah, he's got the guidelines, 218 00:23:30.600 --> 00:23:33.299 and it's not about. He's not serving food. 219 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:44.510 Jay Handal: Okay, this is. This is a committee meeting, and if Lisa can show me a you know a paragraph that we couldn't find. Then this will change before we hit the board. 220 00:23:45.420 --> 00:23:47.789 Jay Handal: So any other board member 221 00:23:47.800 --> 00:23:52.450 Helen Fallon: part is not serving food. If he's serving ice cream, I this is just so. 222 00:23:53.360 --> 00:23:53.990 Jay Handal: Yeah, 223 00:23:54.000 --> 00:23:58.049 Jay Handal: there Is there any other committee comment? 224 00:23:59.400 --> 00:24:03.539 Sima: Seeing none, we will go to a boat again, 225 00:24:03.550 --> 00:24:07.760 Sima: Jay: i'm. So sorry my hand is raised. I just had a quick question. It's Seema. 226 00:24:07.770 --> 00:24:09.140 Jay Handal: Yes, Jamie, 227 00:24:09.310 --> 00:24:20.309 Sima: I was just wondering. Um! And this goes for all committee meetings. Have we gotten approval that i'm unaware of that. We are now able to hold our meetings in person. 228 00:24:25.310 --> 00:24:31.010 Jay Handal: I don't honestly. I don't know how they're holding their meeting. I'm sure it's so 229 00:24:31.020 --> 00:24:58.640 Sima: seema if I may. Um. The emergency preparedness meetings have always been held in the public open space. They're being held like it at Penmark Park, and they're they're they're done with with the fire department. I mean. I know that I've been I've been to to one of them that was over at Penmark, and and there were several other city agencies there. So yeah, I mean they. They were well aware of the meeting being done that way. 230 00:24:58.650 --> 00:25:03.189 jim murez: Um! And I think that this is just a continuation of that kind of thing. 231 00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:20.550 Keith Harrison: Hi! This is Keith. We hold meetings, both both depending upon the subject of the meeting, either in an open open area space like at the Park or we do it online. We do not do indoor meetings. 232 00:25:21.070 --> 00:25:25.290 Sima: Okay, thank you so much for the clarification. No, I just got very excited because I thought, 233 00:25:25.300 --> 00:25:27.389 Sima: Well, thank you. Thank you. 234 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:30.909 Jay Handal: I don't want. I don't want to cut any. 235 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:33.790 Ivan: Okay, we're gonna go for the vote. 236 00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:35.489 Ivan: Okay, we've got the 237 00:25:35.500 --> 00:25:37.919 Ivan: Yes. I tried it all right, 238 00:25:38.110 --> 00:25:47.629 Ivan: so the President declared. The pandemic was over last night. But what does he know. I just want to know what line Item: 239 00:25:47.770 --> 00:25:53.829 Ivan: this is coming at her. That's one of the functions of our committee. Is this coming out of the outreach line. Item: The: 240 00:25:54.210 --> 00:25:55.479 Jay Handal: Yes, huh? 241 00:25:56.080 --> 00:25:57.189 Ivan: It's okay. 242 00:25:58.520 --> 00:26:00.199 Ivan: That's right. Okay, 243 00:26:00.340 --> 00:26:04.510 Jay Handal: All right, James Murray. Let's do the 244 00:26:05.450 --> 00:26:09.090 Jay Handal: Okay. I just didn't want to rush you there. 245 00:26:09.600 --> 00:26:14.730 Jay Handal: Okay, I say, yes, Jane, I say yes, Daffodil. 246 00:26:14.790 --> 00:26:16.050 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, 247 00:26:16.260 --> 00:26:17.490 Jay Handal: Zima. 248 00:26:17.590 --> 00:26:20.859 Sima: Yes, Ivan. Yes, 249 00:26:21.280 --> 00:26:22.600 Ellen, 250 00:26:22.890 --> 00:26:24.640 Helen Fallon: i'm stating, 251 00:26:24.820 --> 00:26:34.689 Jay Handal: abstaining. Okay. Next item on the agenda is adjournment. Do I have a motion. No, You wanted to explain. 252 00:26:34.700 --> 00:26:39.780 Helen Fallon: Yes, let's talk about. Let's talk about the outdoor. The outside money. 253 00:26:40.050 --> 00:26:55.500 Ivan: Okay. The camera system was approved by done after the camera system was disapproved by the clerk, stating that it not approved. By done 254 00:26:55.800 --> 00:27:12.780 Ivan: so. We have asked the city clerk to draft a motion to recoup that money through Mike Bonn and a motion to Council to get that money back into our budget because it was a city clerk. Mistake? 255 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:14.490 Jay Handal: Okay, 256 00:27:14.500 --> 00:27:18.940 Jay Handal: yes. The city clerk erred by saying it was not approved. 257 00:27:19.570 --> 00:27:24.479 Jay Handal: So We had a a four five-person zoom meeting 258 00:27:24.490 --> 00:27:39.709 Jay Handal: with the City Clerk with the assistant with Melvin with Shauna. Ah, and we had the done. People who admitted that done, people wrote an email right away when the city clerk said it wasn't approved by done 259 00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:45.000 Jay Handal: that very ten minutes later they had an email saying, Yes, done does approve it. 260 00:27:45.120 --> 00:28:03.130 Jay Handal: Ah, city! Clark never acted on it. And now we're pushed back and asking for our money back to put it back into our budget for this year as additional money over and above the roll over, so that we can either buy cameras or do something else with that money because they er 261 00:28:04.140 --> 00:28:07.960 Jay Handal: So that's where we stand with the the 262 00:28:08.300 --> 00:28:13.649 Jay Handal: what looks like the loss of funds, because we didn't spend it on time. 263 00:28:13.660 --> 00:28:18.610 Jay Handal: And J. As I recall that that amount was like nine thousand dollars wasn't it, 264 00:28:18.620 --> 00:28:20.389 It's almost ten thousand dollars. Yeah, 265 00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:22.590 Jay Handal: correct. It was almost ten thousand now, 266 00:28:22.600 --> 00:28:31.970 jim murez: and so that would that would have brought the the ending balance down to practically nothing after the roll over. 267 00:28:32.080 --> 00:28:35.439 Jay Handal: I would have bought it down closer to four thousand. 268 00:28:35.980 --> 00:28:41.030 Jay Handal: Well, I mean whatever whatever it ended up with. Um, 269 00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:59.219 Jay Handal: Yeah, that's because that's right. They They disapproved, as I recall now from memory they disapproved, being able to pay for public storage in advance of being able to right for a web. And that's why we still had a larger than we expected. 270 00:28:59.330 --> 00:29:12.819 Jay Handal: Yeah, So what happened at the end was, they said, Well, public storage and web, these are annual payments. We will not pay an annual payment. We will only pay month to month, so you can't have that much, 271 00:29:12.830 --> 00:29:17.790 Helen Fallon: and that's always been the rule. Gym. You can't prepay expenses in the past. 272 00:29:17.800 --> 00:29:18.980 I don't 273 00:29:19.430 --> 00:29:25.600 Jay Handal: no change, so we anticipate about ten thousand dollars back from the city, 274 00:29:25.610 --> 00:29:27.860 Helen Fallon: in addition to the Rollover, 275 00:29:27.870 --> 00:29:29.799 Jay Handal: in addition to the Rollover. 276 00:29:29.920 --> 00:29:33.959 Helen Fallon: Well, why would they give you ten thousand? You only had eight thousand of expenses. 277 00:29:34.340 --> 00:29:41.540 Jay Handal: We'd have ten, almost ten thousand dollars more for the cameras that they screwed up on the 278 00:29:41.830 --> 00:29:53.579 Helen Fallon: and then I guess the real question here or the confusion is: the city clerk is the one who controls the funding and expenses and approves things. Why was done involved in this? 279 00:29:53.590 --> 00:29:55.960 Helen Fallon: They have nothing to do with the finances. 280 00:29:55.970 --> 00:30:15.419 Jay Handal: So yes, they do. Actually, they can approve or disapprove something. If the city clerk says to them, They're buying cameras for a hybrid meeting system for the future, and city clerk says, but done doesn't approve it. This is not an approved expenditure. 281 00:30:15.430 --> 00:30:29.550 Jay Handal: So now we go to done, and we go. All right, guys, why is this not an approved expenditure? Ah, Freddy, you know you're the guy you're the point person for the mayor to do. Hybrid meetings going forward. He goes. That's ridiculous. Of course it's approved. 282 00:30:29.560 --> 00:30:43.350 Jay Handal: So he went to his boss, came back on the phone ten minutes later, drafted an email and sent it to everybody at the clerk's office. Clark didn't act on it and thought we'd all go away. Well, we're not going away. It's ten times it's almost ten grand, 283 00:30:43.510 --> 00:30:45.279 Jay Handal: and I want my money back. 284 00:30:45.870 --> 00:30:59.250 Jay Handal: So they've agreed. You know that it wasn't right, and now they have to write a motion to give to Bonnin and see if Bonnin will take it to council and give us our money back now. He's done that in the past, 285 00:30:59.690 --> 00:31:03.879 Jay Handal: so there's no reason you shouldn't do it now, unless he just hates vents. 286 00:31:04.630 --> 00:31:06.950 Helen Fallon: Oh, there could be that possibility? 287 00:31:06.960 --> 00:31:10.359 Jay Handal: I'm not throwing anything out. Trust me. 288 00:31:10.370 --> 00:31:16.419 Helen Fallon: So in terms of So this is not in the policy guidelines for some sort of like. 289 00:31:16.590 --> 00:31:17.720 Helen Fallon: It's 290 00:31:17.870 --> 00:31:25.179 Helen Fallon: hidden rule. Special rule does it? There's nothing in the policy guidelines that talks about going to done for approval of anything. 291 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.410 Jay Handal: I just say they do the rules. 292 00:31:27.420 --> 00:31:38.090 Jay Handal: They They did it, you know, and they aired, and someone overstepped their boundaries and got caught and she was on the phone on the zoom call with her boss, 293 00:31:38.100 --> 00:31:40.970 Jay Handal: her bosses boss, and the boss the 294 00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:52.419 Jay Handal: So you know, City Clerk Holly is well aware of what happened. Petty is well aware. Melvin is well aware, and showing us screwed up. That's really the bottom line. 295 00:31:52.430 --> 00:31:55.690 Helen Fallon: So is there a deadline for the expectation of this money? So you 296 00:31:55.700 --> 00:31:57.959 Helen Fallon: you know they're not spending it. 297 00:31:57.970 --> 00:32:14.769 Jay Handal: You know it's when the clerk gets around the drafting emotion and giving it to Bonnet and asking him to give us our money back, and I sent an email to the city clerk actually yesterday, following up on my prior request and our phone call, saying, where's our money? 298 00:32:15.670 --> 00:32:17.170 Jay Handal: So 299 00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:24.279 Jay Handal: we'll see we'll see how fast they are. They don't act fast, but eventually I believe we will get our money back. The 300 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:27.540 jim murez: J. Daffodil has her hand up also. 301 00:32:27.550 --> 00:32:29.319 Jay Handal: Yeah dappled. Go ahead 302 00:32:32.740 --> 00:32:33.980 Jay Handal: afternoon. 303 00:32:34.460 --> 00:32:37.790 Daffodil Tyminski: No, she's lowered it. Lisa Redmond has. 304 00:32:37.800 --> 00:32:41.550 Daffodil Tyminski: I? I was just going to say, sorry I was trying to get on. 305 00:32:41.940 --> 00:32:54.400 Daffodil Tyminski: This kind of stuff happens in government all the time. It's not. The Government doesn't operate according to like rigid, strict rule complex that for whatever reason people seem to think it does just like anything else in life. 306 00:32:54.410 --> 00:33:04.789 Daffodil Tyminski: There's unforeseen circumstances. You can't write a rule for everything, and people have to make judgment calls to deal with situations to make things run and keep the wheels going on the bus. 307 00:33:05.350 --> 00:33:08.010 Daffodil Tyminski: To me this all seems perfectly reasonable. 308 00:33:08.850 --> 00:33:09.990 Jay Handal: It happens, 309 00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:18.999 Jay Handal: you know it happens it. It happened to West La, a couple of years ago, you know, and Bonn, and had to give us back almost fifteen thousand dollars 310 00:33:19.010 --> 00:33:36.990 Daffodil Tyminski: in the next fiscal year it happened, and i'm sure with ninety nine. I just feel that we have. There's plenty of like public, and on our committee, who are just incredibly uninformed about the way government works. So there's always this like misapprehension that there's always something on board going on, or something secret or whatever it is 311 00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:37.590 you 312 00:33:37.600 --> 00:33:41.589 Daffodil Tyminski: life life operates in a practical way. The government's no different. 313 00:33:41.600 --> 00:33:47.090 Jay Handal: I I spent a lifetime working with government agencies. I don't appreciate the comment at all. 314 00:33:47.100 --> 00:33:49.790 Ivan: Okay, guys. 315 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:53.649 Ivan: Okay, Stop, Stop, guys, 316 00:33:54.180 --> 00:33:56.719 Jay Handal: Lisa. You have your hand up. 317 00:33:59.460 --> 00:34:01.800 Ivan: Okay, This is not a discussion. 318 00:34:02.060 --> 00:34:09.819 Ivan: No, Ivan. No, it's not so. Stop talking. I'm running this meeting on Lisa. Oh, Lisa, 319 00:34:09.830 --> 00:34:12.489 Lisa Redmond: your hand! 320 00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:30.730 Lisa Redmond: I am talking um it well to Ivan's point. This is a lot of discussion, for not something that's not agendized. But you wanted something in your standing rules. If you click on your own website on your standing rules. Page four. Item number four Budget Committee. 321 00:34:30.739 --> 00:34:37.290 Lisa Redmond: The Venice Neighborhood Council does not fund refreshments at committees and subcommittee meetings. 322 00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:40.559 Lisa Redmond: I don't understand why it was so hard for you to find that. 323 00:34:40.600 --> 00:34:42.389 Lisa Redmond: So there it is. 324 00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:49.189 Lisa Redmond: We all looked. It didn't see it so well. I'm: So i'm gonna say for Item Number four 325 00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:53.070 Lisa Redmond: Got it. I got it appreciated. Appreciate it. 326 00:34:53.080 --> 00:35:10.669 Ivan: So Um, we've already voted. We Haven't closed the meeting. We can. We can either do a reconsider 327 00:35:11.030 --> 00:35:12.720 Jay Handal: all right, so I can do 328 00:35:15.020 --> 00:35:18.140 jim murez: page so we can get it on the record. 329 00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:23.069 Ivan: Yeah, please, We all looked for it. We didn't find it so. Thank you, Lisa. 330 00:35:23.080 --> 00:35:25.029 Ivan: I appreciate it. 331 00:35:25.850 --> 00:35:28.589 Jay Handal: Twelve eyes are better than four. Trust me. 332 00:35:28.600 --> 00:35:29.339 Ivan: Yeah, 333 00:35:31.350 --> 00:35:33.979 jim murez: he said. It was in Bylaws right 334 00:35:34.010 --> 00:35:40.890 Lisa Redmond: standing rules. Oh, standing rules. Excuse me, No, damn things. That's crazy. 335 00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:56.930 Jay Handal: So while you're doing that, Jim, we're going to take the motion to to reconsider a vote. Can you put that up and let's get this vote going? It's six hundred and thirty, four? This meeting is lasting longer than it should, 336 00:35:57.750 --> 00:36:00.260 Jay Handal: and then we can make a new motion. 337 00:36:01.470 --> 00:36:05.280 Ivan: Um! Hang on one second. There it is. It's right there. 338 00:36:05.490 --> 00:36:09.880 Jay Handal: Okay, beautiful. So we have a motion to reconsider in a second. 339 00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.169 Jay Handal: Let's take a boat. 340 00:36:16.830 --> 00:36:19.289 jim murez: So I think this is what she's talking about. 341 00:36:22.700 --> 00:36:24.300 Ivan: Yeah, that's the one. 342 00:36:24.380 --> 00:36:25.689 Jay Handal: Okay, Okay, 343 00:36:25.700 --> 00:36:33.530 Jay Handal: perfect. So you know I love it done so. We have a motion in a second. Can we take the vote? Please 344 00:36:33.730 --> 00:36:37.300 jim murez: hang on one second. How do we do this in the 345 00:36:38.140 --> 00:36:46.850 Jay Handal: fault in it motion? It would be a motion to reconsider, and then you're going to have another alternate motion. If someone wants to make another motion. 346 00:36:48.180 --> 00:36:51.189 Ivan: Well, the virtues start with the reconsideration. 347 00:36:51.200 --> 00:36:52.950 Ivan: Let's get that. 348 00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:55.249 Jay Handal: It was a most to reconsider. 349 00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.029 Ivan: Take a 350 00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:07.590 Ivan: Okay. So Ivan, who made the motion, Ivan. I did I? That can be the most. 351 00:37:07.600 --> 00:37:08.899 Jay Handal: I second day. 352 00:37:09.700 --> 00:37:10.919 jim murez: Okay, 353 00:37:11.560 --> 00:37:14.169 Jay Handal: all right, Call for the vote, 354 00:37:16.310 --> 00:37:18.639 Daffodil Tyminski: and it's the same motion. 355 00:37:18.950 --> 00:37:21.189 Jay Handal: It's the motion that was passed. 356 00:37:21.570 --> 00:37:23.089 Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, 357 00:37:23.100 --> 00:37:24.000 Jay Handal: Jim. 358 00:37:24.120 --> 00:37:27.149 jim murez: Um yes! 359 00:37:28.080 --> 00:37:35.189 Daffodil Tyminski: Is the motion that we're voting on? Is the motion motion to reconsider, or is it the original? 360 00:37:35.200 --> 00:37:37.590 Ivan: Or do we reconsider the motion. 361 00:37:38.490 --> 00:37:42.590 Daffodil Tyminski: So if we vote yes, to reconsider, we're denying the original motion. 362 00:37:42.600 --> 00:37:43.770 Ivan: Yeah, correct, 363 00:37:43.850 --> 00:37:46.110 Ivan: Then we'll make another motion. 364 00:37:47.070 --> 00:37:52.589 Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, we're not. We're not. We're not denying the original motion. We're just reopening the original motion. 365 00:37:52.600 --> 00:37:55.189 Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, I just want to make sure procedural. I understand where we're at 366 00:37:55.200 --> 00:38:02.329 Daffodil Tyminski: Moot Point. It's against the Bible. It's against the standing rules. It's a moot point, Sema. I get it. 367 00:38:02.490 --> 00:38:05.290 jim murez: The wait. How did? How did Daffodil vote? 368 00:38:05.300 --> 00:38:06.560 Yes, 369 00:38:08.570 --> 00:38:09.609 Timer? 370 00:38:09.850 --> 00:38:11.109 Sima: Yes, 371 00:38:11.300 --> 00:38:12.490 Ivan. 372 00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:13.350 Ivan: Yes, 373 00:38:13.510 --> 00:38:14.720 Jay Handal: Helen 374 00:38:16.470 --> 00:38:17.629 Jay Handal: Ellen, 375 00:38:19.450 --> 00:38:21.839 Jay Handal: I I have to leave the meeting for a few minutes. 376 00:38:22.300 --> 00:38:23.569 Jay Handal: I'm sorry 377 00:38:24.700 --> 00:38:26.760 Ivan: he's not voting, I believe. 378 00:38:27.670 --> 00:38:29.260 Jay Handal: Okay. So 379 00:38:29.490 --> 00:38:35.639 Lisa Redmond: okay, okay, I'd like to make a new motion here 380 00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:43.909 Ivan: that the Board of officers approves up to five hundred dollars for emergency preparedness, Outreach. 381 00:38:45.810 --> 00:38:48.190 Jay Handal: Okay, Do I have a second to that motion 382 00:38:48.200 --> 00:38:49.809 jim murez: they all seconded 383 00:38:50.110 --> 00:38:51.680 Jay Handal: second by Jim. 384 00:38:52.170 --> 00:38:55.070 Jay Handal: So we're taking refreshments out the 385 00:38:56.550 --> 00:39:01.060 Jay Handal: I can just copy this. Can I copy the original one 386 00:39:01.630 --> 00:39:07.310 jim murez: emergency approval, emergency preparedness for that. We're taking the word refreshments. 387 00:39:10.990 --> 00:39:13.200 Jay Handal: Okay, there you go. 388 00:39:13.350 --> 00:39:14.870 jim murez: And 389 00:39:15.040 --> 00:39:18.009 jim murez: that was made by Ivan 390 00:39:18.370 --> 00:39:20.490 jim murez: and I seconded it. 391 00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:22.590 Jay Handal: Okay, public comment. I guess. 392 00:39:22.600 --> 00:39:24.899 Jay Handal: Is there any public comment on that, 393 00:39:28.090 --> 00:39:31.390 Lisa Redmond: Lisa? Your hand is still raised. Is it raised? 394 00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:34.990 Lisa Redmond: No, it's never came down. Thank you. Okay, Thank you. 395 00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.469 Jay Handal: Seeing no public comment, any board comment, 396 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:40.589 Jay Handal: and we'll call for the vote. 397 00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:45.890 Daffodil Tyminski: J: Yes, Jim. Yes, Daffodil. 398 00:39:46.640 --> 00:39:47.660 Yes. 399 00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:49.089 Jay Handal: Shima 400 00:39:50.830 --> 00:39:56.540 Sima: guest, Ivan. Yes. And Helen has left the building. 401 00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:58.990 jim murez: Yeah, She's muted. 402 00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.890 Jay Handal: Okay, it passes five. Oh, 403 00:40:00.900 --> 00:40:03.640 Jay Handal: next item on the agenda is adjournment. 404 00:40:03.660 --> 00:40:11.590 Daffodil Tyminski: I'd like to move to adjourn. I'll second it. Anybody against adjourning. 405 00:40:11.600 --> 00:40:12.479 jim murez: No, 406 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:14.589 Jay Handal: Okay. Thank you all 407 00:40:14.600 --> 00:40:16.089 Daffodil Tyminski: goodly. 408 00:40:16.100 --> 00:40:21.290 Sima: Thank you all, too. If you have it, you have a minute. Let's talk offline. 409 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:28.570 Jay Handal: Okay, Okay, thank you. Give me a call when you could get a minute.