WEBVTT 1 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:28.569 james murez: So it. 2 00:00:38.510 --> 00:00:43.100 frank murphy: Hey, Jim! Hi! How are you? I'm just trying to get Vicki promoted. There we go 3 00:00:44.340 --> 00:00:47.990 frank murphy: so i'm going to go ahead and make the co-host 4 00:00:49.260 --> 00:00:52.489 james murez: and make you 5 00:00:52.770 --> 00:00:55.750 james murez: post, and then sign off and go out my dinner. 6 00:00:56.460 --> 00:00:58.269 james murez: Have a good meeting 7 00:00:59.110 --> 00:01:02.290 frank murphy: hopefully. Vicki. Can You hear? Okay, 8 00:01:03.680 --> 00:01:06.470 james murez: you're you're muted Vicky. 9 00:01:07.720 --> 00:01:10.399 vicki halliday: Yes, I can hear somebody promote me. 10 00:01:10.470 --> 00:01:13.280 james murez: Yeah, you're promoted to panelists. 11 00:01:13.290 --> 00:01:15.789 vicki halliday: Well, I should be co-host, Gemma Always I am 12 00:01:15.800 --> 00:01:21.739 james murez: Yeah, Well, that's what it says you are. Look at your attendee late Your panelists list. It says your co-host. 13 00:01:22.440 --> 00:01:23.990 vicki halliday: Okay, fine. Thank you. 14 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:25.759 james murez: Yeah. You already. Are okay. 15 00:01:25.770 --> 00:01:26.940 frank murphy: It's it's 16 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:29.289 frank murphy: Thanks. Jim. 17 00:01:29.300 --> 00:01:30.220 james murez: Yep. 18 00:01:35.600 --> 00:01:38.590 vicki halliday: Okay, Let me get set up here. 19 00:01:38.600 --> 00:01:40.000 vicki halliday: Um. 20 00:01:42.770 --> 00:01:47.050 frank murphy: Oh, shit my camera's fucking up on me again. 21 00:01:47.370 --> 00:01:49.970 vicki halliday: Yeah, i'm promoting people right now. 22 00:01:49.980 --> 00:01:51.830 vicki halliday: There you go. You're back. 23 00:01:51.980 --> 00:01:55.670 frank murphy: Yeah, but I mean having to do it every two seconds. 24 00:01:56.550 --> 00:01:58.980 frank murphy: I might have to go over my desktop. 25 00:02:05.900 --> 00:02:07.160 frank murphy: Okay, 26 00:02:07.740 --> 00:02:14.010 frank murphy: the two people, the two folks that look like they were gonna have problems for the first time. 27 00:02:15.840 --> 00:02:18.750 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): Hi, i'm, Frank. Good evening. 28 00:02:18.760 --> 00:02:20.680 vicki halliday: How are you? 29 00:02:20.930 --> 00:02:22.070 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): Good! Good 30 00:02:22.190 --> 00:02:23.790 frank murphy: thanks for asking that, 31 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.820 vicki halliday: Liz. Right. You need to let us promote you. 32 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:31.300 Pat Raphael: I'll sound 33 00:02:32.330 --> 00:02:34.540 frank murphy: sounds good. Can you hear you? 34 00:02:34.770 --> 00:02:37.390 frank murphy: Uh, Yeah. 35 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:41.370 Pat Raphael: The sound on 36 00:02:47.490 --> 00:02:49.369 vicki halliday: your sound is off. That 37 00:03:01.170 --> 00:03:07.559 vicki halliday: was right. You need to to allow yourself to be promoted to panelists, so you can join in. 38 00:03:08.440 --> 00:03:10.860 vicki halliday: I keep getting declines from you. 39 00:03:17.210 --> 00:03:18.780 vicki halliday: There you go 40 00:03:21.330 --> 00:03:23.130 frank murphy: there. She is 41 00:04:01.100 --> 00:04:05.669 frank murphy: load of testing testing, because it might give me a little sound. We can hear you 42 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:10.660 frank murphy: now. You're off, 43 00:04:12.550 --> 00:04:14.279 frank murphy: You're muted now. 44 00:04:27.340 --> 00:04:29.240 frank murphy: But where'd that go? 45 00:04:30.860 --> 00:04:33.759 vicki halliday: Boston? Well, actually, 46 00:04:37.990 --> 00:04:39.360 frank murphy: Hmm. 47 00:04:40.040 --> 00:04:41.979 frank murphy: How's everybody doing? 48 00:04:44.710 --> 00:04:46.150 vicki halliday: Okay? 49 00:04:47.810 --> 00:04:54.159 vicki halliday: Well, I begrudgingly refilled the fountain because all the birds were coming in. 50 00:04:55.930 --> 00:05:02.690 vicki halliday: The Mama Raccoon laid on the porch last night like she just laid in front of me like I am so tired. 51 00:05:05.280 --> 00:05:09.389 vicki halliday: So I I gave him water. I didn't have the heart in the speak to, not 52 00:05:09.400 --> 00:05:14.239 vicki halliday: I I wanted you to go in a cave. I figured you were, I know. 53 00:05:17.400 --> 00:05:20.690 frank murphy: Now just go out there and feed them like you know you will. 54 00:05:20.700 --> 00:05:23.590 vicki halliday: No, I'm not going to feed them. That's one thing. I 55 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:24.920 frank murphy: Okay. 56 00:05:26.510 --> 00:05:27.990 frank murphy: Oh, man. 57 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.390 frank murphy: So 58 00:05:32.520 --> 00:05:34.420 frank murphy: Pat, can you hear us? 59 00:05:34.440 --> 00:05:37.790 frank murphy: Okay, perfect. 60 00:05:41.880 --> 00:05:45.430 frank murphy: So liz is still muted Jody's Off-camera 61 00:05:46.590 --> 00:05:50.130 frank murphy: hopefully. My camera stays with me through the whole meeting. 62 00:05:50.640 --> 00:05:51.960 vicki halliday: Don't touch it. 63 00:05:52.130 --> 00:05:54.440 frank murphy: I'm not touching anything. 64 00:06:26.640 --> 00:06:32.290 Elizabeth Wright: You had me worried there for a minute because I thought. Gee! I came on and you left. 65 00:06:36.380 --> 00:06:41.849 frank murphy: He's got he's he's got a new system trying to work out. 66 00:06:42.390 --> 00:06:47.500 frank murphy: Oh, you've got to watch out for those new systems. 67 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:56.009 Elizabeth Wright: It's a couple of minutes before start time. 68 00:06:56.500 --> 00:06:57.980 frank murphy: Yeah, yeah, yeah, 69 00:06:58.980 --> 00:07:00.790 Elizabeth Wright: Totally offset off 70 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:02.490 Elizabeth Wright: subject of homelessness. 71 00:07:02.500 --> 00:07:04.459 Elizabeth Wright: I was talking with a friend, 72 00:07:05.560 --> 00:07:06.770 Elizabeth Wright: and 73 00:07:07.220 --> 00:07:08.910 Elizabeth Wright: all of a sudden 74 00:07:09.240 --> 00:07:11.250 Elizabeth Wright: I got silence, 75 00:07:11.520 --> 00:07:14.049 Elizabeth Wright: and she got someone saying, 76 00:07:14.600 --> 00:07:22.659 Elizabeth Wright: The number you're calling has some restrictions. We are going to transfer you to a straight talk. Counselor 77 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.789 Pat Raphael: Galaxy I seven, one, five g 78 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:34.220 inactive. 79 00:07:34.260 --> 00:07:37.759 frank murphy: I think they're taking over this. 80 00:07:37.800 --> 00:07:39.190 vicki halliday: I think that's pat. 81 00:07:39.200 --> 00:07:43.490 vicki halliday: There we go. It turns out straight. Talk is a phone company. 82 00:07:44.310 --> 00:07:45.440 frank murphy: Huh? 83 00:07:45.460 --> 00:07:48.990 vicki halliday: Straight talk is a phone company. 84 00:07:49.460 --> 00:07:52.219 Elizabeth Wright: Yeah, they sell telephones. 85 00:07:53.270 --> 00:07:56.970 frank murphy: Um. The ones I noticed were all 86 00:07:57.650 --> 00:07:58.910 Elizabeth Wright: um 87 00:08:00.300 --> 00:08:03.030 Elizabeth Wright: rehabilitated telephones 88 00:08:03.140 --> 00:08:07.399 Elizabeth Wright: available. Only if you buy one of their plans. 89 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:11.439 Elizabeth Wright: So the price is 90 00:08:11.950 --> 00:08:13.260 Elizabeth Wright: per month. 91 00:08:13.700 --> 00:08:18.490 Elizabeth Wright: Then they buy their air time from the major carriers. 92 00:08:18.500 --> 00:08:19.580 vicki halliday: Ah, 93 00:08:19.630 --> 00:08:30.799 vicki halliday: ah! And it may be like conversations may be like the old days of Scott, where, or some of the other things, where, if you were on the same network, 94 00:08:31.090 --> 00:08:37.789 vicki halliday: it was a free conversation. But if it if you're a Verizon, or at and t or something, it might not be. 95 00:08:40.140 --> 00:08:43.169 Elizabeth Wright: I don't think they do anything for free, 96 00:08:43.700 --> 00:08:46.450 vicki halliday: that's probably it. 97 00:08:46.570 --> 00:08:54.999 frank murphy: But it was really scary if if you did not know what straight talk was. And all of a sudden you're interrupted 98 00:08:55.020 --> 00:08:57.609 vicki halliday: right? That's what it's weird. 99 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:02.970 Elizabeth Wright: So, anyway, I contacted Verizon the, 100 00:09:02.980 --> 00:09:06.629 Elizabeth Wright: and they had a long conversation among themselves 101 00:09:06.940 --> 00:09:09.100 Elizabeth Wright: that that ended with 102 00:09:09.590 --> 00:09:11.160 Elizabeth Wright: Oh, that was a 103 00:09:11.600 --> 00:09:15.450 Elizabeth Wright: typical disconnection that sometimes happens, 104 00:09:16.030 --> 00:09:18.220 vicki halliday: and I wrote that 105 00:09:18.470 --> 00:09:20.430 Elizabeth Wright: you don't get a typical 106 00:09:20.770 --> 00:09:24.650 Elizabeth Wright: connect disconnection like that with somebody breaking in? 107 00:09:24.690 --> 00:09:27.370 frank murphy: Not no, not at all. 108 00:09:34.500 --> 00:09:36.990 frank murphy: Do we get. Did we get Aaron yet? 109 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:38.839 vicki halliday: Not yet. I'm watching 110 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:48.020 vicki halliday: you send him the link. Right? 111 00:09:48.210 --> 00:09:49.970 vicki halliday: Yes, okay, 112 00:10:02.040 --> 00:10:06.029 Elizabeth Wright: It's going to be so nice when we can meet in person again. 113 00:10:06.390 --> 00:10:07.550 frank murphy: Yeah, 114 00:10:08.170 --> 00:10:09.880 Elizabeth Wright: I really miss that. 115 00:10:10.110 --> 00:10:11.990 frank murphy: Yeah, Yeah. 116 00:10:16.610 --> 00:10:26.689 vicki halliday: Conversation trying to move towards making the neighborhood Committee start doing it in person. Yeah, no. I think it's in. I'm not sure what date it is 117 00:10:26.700 --> 00:10:28.790 vicki halliday: no they haven't set one yet. 118 00:10:33.210 --> 00:10:39.139 My understanding is that moving forward at least all of the word meetings will be 119 00:10:39.530 --> 00:10:41.360 Elizabeth Wright: both zoom and 120 00:10:41.630 --> 00:10:45.229 vicki halliday: uh with hybrid. 121 00:10:45.300 --> 00:10:48.060 frank murphy: Oh, that makes sense. I mean, you know, 122 00:10:48.150 --> 00:10:54.359 vicki halliday: I think a lot of people can't attend when it's online that 123 00:10:54.650 --> 00:10:57.600 vicki halliday: can't, you know, Get to Westminster. But 124 00:10:57.950 --> 00:11:03.090 vicki halliday: exactly. I mean, I dread it. I used to walk home at twelve one o'clock in the morning 125 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.120 vicki halliday: from Westminster to my house, and I can't do that now. 126 00:11:07.440 --> 00:11:10.980 vicki halliday: Yeah, yeah, it's way. Too dangerous. 127 00:11:12.790 --> 00:11:13.870 Pat Raphael: It's. 128 00:11:14.220 --> 00:11:16.159 frank murphy: Oh, man, 129 00:11:16.430 --> 00:11:18.129 frank murphy: what are you gonna do? 130 00:11:26.730 --> 00:11:29.290 Make sure this isn't Aaron or somebody. 131 00:11:29.300 --> 00:11:32.149 frank murphy: We're going to get your best profile yet. 132 00:11:32.920 --> 00:11:34.110 frank murphy: Hello! 133 00:11:38.570 --> 00:11:43.080 Pat Raphael: Looking for a way to make the cell phone stand. Usually I have a big laptop. 134 00:11:43.270 --> 00:11:44.839 Pat Raphael: That's a 135 00:11:45.130 --> 00:11:49.030 Pat Raphael: what? I'm going through. And now i'm using the cell phone. 136 00:11:52.900 --> 00:11:54.080 Brian U: Hello! 137 00:11:55.450 --> 00:11:56.680 vicki halliday: Hello! 138 00:11:57.210 --> 00:11:59.780 frank murphy: Hey, Brian! 139 00:12:01.450 --> 00:12:03.390 Brian U: It's making sure I was here. 140 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:16.839 vicki halliday: Let me call Aaron. Make sure there is no He's just coming on, Frank. Oh, he is good right there. 141 00:12:17.050 --> 00:12:18.700 frank murphy: Forget that. 142 00:12:22.350 --> 00:12:26.090 vicki halliday: Hi Aaron. I'm a 143 00:12:26.100 --> 00:12:27.280 Erin Darling: Hello! Hello! 144 00:12:28.370 --> 00:12:30.150 frank murphy: How's it going? 145 00:12:30.160 --> 00:12:33.840 frank murphy: Busy? But good can't complain? Thanks for hosting it All right. 146 00:12:34.160 --> 00:12:38.890 frank murphy: I suppose it's busy. It's got to be got to be going like crazy. Now. 147 00:12:38.900 --> 00:12:41.630 Erin Darling: Yeah, I the storm. It's good, though. 148 00:12:42.470 --> 00:12:45.589 Erin Darling: Actually one second, I just there's my water. Okay, 149 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:47.590 Erin Darling: but yeah, good to see everyone. 150 00:12:47.950 --> 00:12:49.550 vicki halliday: It's. 151 00:12:51.940 --> 00:12:57.710 frank murphy: I don't know. If you know anybody on the committee, you might know most of the folks 152 00:12:58.190 --> 00:13:02.679 frank murphy: Brian has been with us for two or three years now, 153 00:13:02.800 --> 00:13:06.220 frank murphy: and uh, he's in the uh, 154 00:13:06.380 --> 00:13:08.179 frank murphy: you know, in the uh. 155 00:13:08.230 --> 00:13:10.620 frank murphy: I think you guys know each other 156 00:13:11.180 --> 00:13:11.790 frank murphy: the 157 00:13:11.800 --> 00:13:17.029 Erin Darling: not not really I. I've tried to reach out to you here in a couple of times, but it's nice to see you. 158 00:13:17.110 --> 00:13:18.870 frank murphy: I'll be here. 159 00:13:19.340 --> 00:13:26.949 frank murphy: Elizabeth has been around, I guess. Actually, she was wrong when you were on the on the committee on the board. I think 160 00:13:27.070 --> 00:13:29.370 Elizabeth Wright: right. I was with the elections. 161 00:13:29.390 --> 00:13:30.189 Erin Darling: I'll try now 162 00:13:31.210 --> 00:13:32.430 Erin Darling: with the 163 00:13:33.090 --> 00:13:35.159 Erin Darling: Yeah, 164 00:13:35.250 --> 00:13:36.290 frank murphy: I don't 165 00:13:36.300 --> 00:13:37.610 Erin Darling: Vancouver. And 166 00:13:37.900 --> 00:13:40.130 frank murphy: oh, yeah, Okay, 167 00:13:40.140 --> 00:13:41.450 Erin Darling: her own. 168 00:13:41.590 --> 00:13:47.350 frank murphy: Well, I take this job More than likely, 169 00:13:49.950 --> 00:13:58.050 frank murphy: Vicki's been on the board for quite a while. He is also a real active participant. 170 00:13:59.670 --> 00:14:06.059 frank murphy: Pat's been homeless for quite a while. He's been on. He's been on our committee for 171 00:14:06.290 --> 00:14:08.300 frank murphy: a year or so. 172 00:14:08.360 --> 00:14:14.419 frank murphy: Jody was previously homeless, and is now residing in Venice. 173 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.659 frank murphy: You know Stan Muhammad, 174 00:14:16.780 --> 00:14:18.690 Erin Darling: You know 175 00:14:18.700 --> 00:14:31.090 vicki halliday: we're missing Cola Frank. That's the only person we're missing. Yeah, I think kind of I might come in a little bit later. I'll like I'll watch for it and to keep an eye out for her. 176 00:14:31.100 --> 00:14:35.889 vicki halliday: Sure. All right. So um let's Let's roll. Let's 177 00:14:35.900 --> 00:14:39.370 Ansar Muhammad: uh do the roll call. So 178 00:14:39.880 --> 00:14:44.480 frank murphy: Frank's here. Brian tier, pat, 179 00:14:44.630 --> 00:14:47.120 frank murphy: Liz, Vicki, 180 00:14:47.500 --> 00:14:53.269 frank murphy: Stan, and Jody. The only person not here is cool. That and she will 181 00:14:53.300 --> 00:14:57.330 frank murphy: come in later. She's usually heading home from work at this time, 182 00:14:57.990 --> 00:15:02.040 frank murphy: and usually this jumir is still here. 183 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:11.429 vicki halliday: No, Jim is not on the list, is he? He left. He was eating dinner or something. 184 00:15:11.750 --> 00:15:12.940 Elizabeth Wright: Okay? 185 00:15:12.950 --> 00:15:16.270 frank murphy: So he left us to our own devices. 186 00:15:16.740 --> 00:15:23.930 frank murphy: Um, So review and comment on the 187 00:15:24.190 --> 00:15:36.190 frank murphy: the minutes from the last meeting. Does anybody have any comment or problems with the minutes from the last meeting? 188 00:15:38.800 --> 00:15:48.029 frank murphy: Okay, I'll call that nobody raise their hands, so i'll call that as unanimous. Okay, to go ahead with that 189 00:15:48.490 --> 00:15:50.280 frank murphy: chair report. 190 00:15:50.370 --> 00:15:58.330 frank murphy: I'm gonna take just a second to voice a little bit of something. 191 00:15:58.770 --> 00:16:00.890 frank murphy: First of all I wanted to, 192 00:16:00.900 --> 00:16:03.570 frank murphy: you know. Say that in general, 193 00:16:03.630 --> 00:16:22.219 frank murphy: the the homeless being accommodated, and I said this at the last meeting, also the homeless being accommodated on the streets and sidewalks of our community and city is the most inhumane, brutal, and unsafe solution for both the housed and the unhoused. 194 00:16:22.370 --> 00:16:28.320 frank murphy: We need to change this situation as quickly as possible, 195 00:16:28.340 --> 00:16:38.280 frank murphy: and having spent the last five, ten years on it, it's not. Somebody's phone is on the 196 00:16:38.590 --> 00:16:44.559 frank murphy: so, and as it relates to Venice, I wanted to comment, 197 00:16:44.860 --> 00:16:46.590 frank murphy: Yeah, it uh, 198 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:51.340 frank murphy: no matter how contentious or raucous Venice can be, 199 00:16:51.410 --> 00:16:54.150 Ansar Muhammad: Please enter your host key, followed by account, 200 00:16:54.370 --> 00:16:57.260 frank murphy: we have a 201 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.230 Brian U: the meeting. Has not 202 00:17:01.430 --> 00:17:03.479 vicki halliday: somebody needs to mute, 203 00:17:04.470 --> 00:17:05.569 Brian U: dirty. 204 00:17:06.130 --> 00:17:16.869 vicki halliday: Okay, thank you. Okay, No matter how contentious or raucous Venice can be at times we have accommodated the homeless, and those of lesser means. Quite substantially 205 00:17:17.430 --> 00:17:27.760 frank murphy: pointing case is Venice account for five percent of the area. Fourteen percent of the population, and sixteen percent of the housing stock in all of Cd eleven, 206 00:17:28.390 --> 00:17:34.739 frank murphy: fifty, six percent of the homeless fifty, six to sixty percent of the homeless population reside here. 207 00:17:34.770 --> 00:17:44.520 frank murphy: Forty percent of the low-income housing of Psa housing reside here, and and that's for all of Cdl. 208 00:17:44.830 --> 00:17:49.870 frank murphy: So the only other, even comparable, community is the palms mar vista, 209 00:17:49.880 --> 00:17:51.190 frank murphy: which he is 210 00:17:51.290 --> 00:18:05.440 frank murphy: forty. Forty One percent of the low-income and Psh housing and that also includes the Marvista gardens. So let's just to get a 211 00:18:05.610 --> 00:18:11.320 frank murphy: window into where Venice is at in the overall community, 212 00:18:11.630 --> 00:18:18.200 frank murphy: that all that being said, that's all I want to say, and I really am 213 00:18:18.870 --> 00:18:22.499 frank murphy: thrilled that Aaron can be here today 214 00:18:22.840 --> 00:18:35.109 frank murphy: um to participate in an exchange we had. We had Tracy in last month, and Aaron today, and we're really interested in. 215 00:18:35.560 --> 00:18:36.910 frank murphy: See, 216 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:38.390 frank murphy: you know they 217 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:44.759 frank murphy: Aaron's thoughts and and and and solutions for, 218 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:51.019 frank murphy: or formulation of solutions for this issue as we go forward. 219 00:18:51.140 --> 00:19:06.249 frank murphy: And so in light of that we're asking the committee members the way we're going to set it up is the same as last time. The questions will come from the public king prior to today or prior to now. 220 00:19:06.260 --> 00:19:22.760 frank murphy: Those will be asked by Vicki at the end of the meeting, the ones that are relevant, and that we can get to, because we'll be very strict as to the timeline, but we don't we're not going to be restrictive at all to you, Aaron. You can 221 00:19:22.770 --> 00:19:32.529 frank murphy: go on, you know. I mean, we we really want to hear from you. It's not us that we want to. We want to be impacting you. We want to hear what you have to say. 222 00:19:32.830 --> 00:19:36.009 frank murphy: So in that light of that we have a one minute 223 00:19:36.440 --> 00:19:39.819 frank murphy: committee. Members will have one minute to present a question. 224 00:19:40.220 --> 00:19:47.230 frank murphy: Then you get to take over. Answer, and they can have a thirty second follow-up question. 225 00:19:47.390 --> 00:19:55.660 frank murphy: We'll ask everybody to respect aaron's time in order to speak, whether you agree or disagree with him. 226 00:19:56.000 --> 00:20:04.040 frank murphy: And that's you know, other than us being fairly strict about that. That's about 227 00:20:04.250 --> 00:20:08.030 frank murphy: the only restrictions that we have. Aaron. So, 228 00:20:08.660 --> 00:20:14.030 frank murphy: Aaron, you want to uh present yourself, and uh, we'll go from there, 229 00:20:14.040 --> 00:20:33.840 Erin Darling: sure. Well, thank you, Frank. Thank you uh everyone on this committee, and thanks for the folks watching. My name is Aaron Darling. I born and raised in Venice, Uh. Lived in various parts of the Venice, and when I returned back to Venice after law school I was working at Eviction Defense Network 230 00:20:33.850 --> 00:20:43.939 Brian U: in two thousand and eight at the height of the recession, and so I began representing tenants facing eviction from Venice to Echo Park, and there was already gentrification. But then, with also with 231 00:20:44.070 --> 00:21:13.259 Erin Darling: Um, the foreclosure crisis, you know, the mom and pop landlords were getting foreclosed on, and Banks were kicking people out because they wanted to basically hold on to the property empty and wait to flip it once bargaining on um. And so every day I was in court. Um representing folks oftentimes five a day uh keeping people into homes. And um I feel like that is uh those two things being from Dennis and starting my legal career as a tenant rights lawyer uh would really are the foundation uh for 232 00:21:13.350 --> 00:21:16.579 Erin Darling: why i'm running, You know I think you 233 00:21:16.590 --> 00:21:32.290 Erin Darling: we live in the wealthiest district in the city, and it's characterized by mass homelessness. And this is not sustainable. Um, you know, on average, five people a day or dying, and so we gotta keep people get people off the streets, um, you know, for the home 234 00:21:32.300 --> 00:21:39.760 Erin Darling: living sakes, but also because it's not sustainable for the community in the entire community. 235 00:21:39.770 --> 00:22:08.680 Erin Darling: Here's the the burden. Um. But the really the question, because we all know It's the number one issue facing our community. Uh, the question is how we do it. Um! And so i'm really looking forward to going into how we do it because at the end of the day, you know, we're not going to rest our way out of the problem with tens of thousands of people on the streets in Los Angeles. We gotta get a pipeline off the street, sitting inside the care services that they need, and so really happy to be here and talk about how we do that. Um, and 236 00:22:08.690 --> 00:22:23.120 Erin Darling: also just kind of ground it in a love for for this community which is my home, and I'm raising a three-year-old here. And so you know his safety, his sense of community this sense of place 237 00:22:23.130 --> 00:22:40.210 Erin Darling: um it's. It's crucial, and I feel like um right now. It's really a ball for the soul of the West Side. You know what kind of community are we? Can we take care of each other, and I think you know we have the resources and the talent to do that. And I think I would just conclude with 238 00:22:40.220 --> 00:23:08.900 Erin Darling: for almost two years Now, you know we've been socially isolated from each other, and you know people are coming out a pandemic, and being not that it's over, we're becoming more social, but I think a lot of the negativity in our politics is a result of um not being in the same room as each other, being on social media being on next door. Um! And I think a lot of times we don't really to each other's, neighbors uh, and so i'm really excited to not just be in the process of addressing the homelessness crisis, but also, uh 239 00:23:08.910 --> 00:23:24.450 Erin Darling: addressing a kind of neighborliness that I think is is on the way, because I think we have the solutions it's about scaling up what's existing on a small scale, so that we can all benefit. So thank you for being here. I mean, Thank you for just all just starting this discussion. 240 00:23:27.090 --> 00:23:29.370 frank murphy: Okay, Um. 241 00:23:29.780 --> 00:23:31.620 frank murphy: Well, let's uh, 242 00:23:31.910 --> 00:23:34.589 frank murphy: let's hammer you with some questions. Then, 243 00:23:34.600 --> 00:23:35.610 frank murphy: please, 244 00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:40.220 frank murphy: Who wants to give it a beginning. Here, 245 00:23:42.750 --> 00:23:45.330 frank murphy: let me get a clock set here. 246 00:23:48.200 --> 00:23:49.450 frank murphy: Okay, 247 00:23:49.580 --> 00:23:51.040 frank murphy: Um, 248 00:23:51.120 --> 00:23:55.700 frank murphy: anybody, Elizabeth, You have your hand up. 249 00:23:58.580 --> 00:24:00.349 frank murphy: You're done mute, 250 00:24:04.780 --> 00:24:11.129 Elizabeth Wright: Aaron. You said that we can do all of this stuff. Would you let us know how you intend to do it? 251 00:24:11.140 --> 00:24:28.989 Erin Darling: Sure, please. Yeah. Well, first of all, I want to be real clear. It's not like, hey? I like me, and I have all the answers like i'm not coming off as like. I have all the solutions, and I also am clear that it's not going to happen overnight. But here here are our five key things that we can do 252 00:24:29.000 --> 00:24:57.619 Erin Darling: first. We have to strengthen rental protections to keep people in their home, because people are entering homelessness at a faster rate than they are exiting. Ah, so we have to stem the tide, and we do that by strengthening venture protections and give people a right to counsel, because right now, if you're a tenant facing eviction, and the chances are you don't have a lawyer, and the chances are that you are going to be kicked out, and right now, with rent skyrocketing. The burden to getting rehoused is higher than 253 00:24:57.630 --> 00:25:27.520 Erin Darling: keep people from homes stand the time uh number two. We have to acknowledge that there's a huge mental health component to this, and we all pay the price with a lack of a mental health, social safety in in the State. Uh, and so we should have when you call number one um A rapid response. Mental health team that comes out with psychologists, social workers, behavioral health specialists, people to who are trained clinicians, trauma and forum to give people care uh, when they're having breakdowns. Uh, because that's what's not happening right now, 254 00:25:27.530 --> 00:25:38.880 and we're diverting police resources who are dealing with forced to deal with mental health issues instead of finding crime and doing what we want them to be doing. And so yes, mental health is point number two. 255 00:25:38.890 --> 00:26:06.649 Erin Darling: Ah point Number three. Ah! We have to rapidly rehouse. People recently fall into homelessness. All too many agencies require someone to be on the street for a year before they get services. This does not make sense. Ah, people's lives disintegrate when they're on the streets for a year, so we should focus on the targeted economic assistance to rapidly rehouse people who are recently following the and then fourth. And this is key. We need a pipeline out of encampments and inside, 256 00:26:06.660 --> 00:26:36.500 Erin Darling: and when I stay inside. This is Key. There's a ran study that found that eighty percent of folks who were unhoused and surveyed on the West Side said that they would take a room with a door not congregate housing, not just, you know, piling into a gymnasium, but a room with a door with some privacy, with some security, a place where you could lock the door and be safe. And right now we don't have those units, and we have to create these units, and so there's no silver bullet. We can convert motels. We can use. Adaptive reuse 257 00:26:36.510 --> 00:27:05.100 Erin Darling: commercial space. Uh we can use modular housing in the city of uh land. Uh, we can do Master Lease holding uh, just to to fill out more units. We can basically uh, we know that we have to uh create permanent order housing. We can't sit on our hands. And so we have to rapidly rehouse people uh and and basically leverage the local government to do that. And then fifth is, we need a permanent support of housing, and that doesn't mean warehousing people. It's supported housing where they get 258 00:27:05.110 --> 00:27:30.849 Erin Darling: care and services that they need, but that's going to take years. So that's why. See Point number four. We need to act immediately, because we can't be sitting on our hands, but it will take a long time. Ah! And so, for instance, I'm. A big supporter of the United States La Ballot initiative, which will raise up to nine hundred million dollars a year for the support of housing and homes, services and legal services, and that will be yearly. It will be a one time thing. So 259 00:27:30.980 --> 00:27:39.379 Erin Darling: just to answer your question, Elizabeth. These are five things, and i'm not saying that the only things i'm not saying, But these are five key things that I believe we should focus on. 260 00:27:40.880 --> 00:27:41.979 Elizabeth Wright: Thank you, 261 00:27:43.050 --> 00:27:45.109 frank murphy: Charlotte, on that, Elizabeth 262 00:27:51.030 --> 00:27:52.180 Elizabeth Wright: later. 263 00:27:52.840 --> 00:27:54.050 frank murphy: Okay, 264 00:27:58.370 --> 00:28:00.370 frank murphy: more questions. 265 00:28:03.090 --> 00:28:06.680 frank murphy: Come on, guys, let's get it going here. 266 00:28:11.060 --> 00:28:32.709 Erin Darling: I'll ask one How you do it, Aaron. Um! I ah helped negotiate the Project Room key, place back in March of two thousand and twenty, and the purpose of that lease for Project Room Key was to house people sixty, four years and older, with pre-existing conditions for Covid 267 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:51.299 Brian U: when and who authorized the change of use from Project Room key to ah taking people right off the boardwalk and putting them into those rooms. It's a completely different population, and you believe that that population, in order to clear the boardwalk, should be put ten feet off, 268 00:28:51.310 --> 00:29:00.689 Brian U: and into that where there's probably the biggest crime rate happening in our boardwalk areas surrounding Dudley and the neighbors are going ballistic in 269 00:29:00.700 --> 00:29:07.809 Brian U: the reality is, it was a change of use for it, and I know it's not in the least document because I wrote it 270 00:29:08.330 --> 00:29:14.289 Erin Darling: so. Can you give me some feedback on? Why, that hotel is being used for that purpose? 271 00:29:14.300 --> 00:29:43.560 Erin Darling: Well, I mean I can't. I'm not in government, so I I don't know how it arose, but I will say that your concern Ryan, it's important is that um! When we speak about homelessness. We can't paint everyone broad brush stroke, because there's a whole spectrum of human behavioral spectrum security of all you know, spectrum of lived experiences. Uh And So when we're housing, say vulnerable seniors, it doesn't make sense to house them with uh other migrations. So I I believe that different housing has to accommodate 272 00:29:43.570 --> 00:30:12.599 Erin Darling: from my relations. Uh, and so we can't take a big broad brush stroke and just say, Oh, everyone's going into this one cognitive house. I I I don't believe that works. I I do uh believe that there should be a concerted effort to get people off the boardwalk and get people inside so that they can get the care that they deserve. But I do not believe in warehousing folks, I know, just saying, Oh, everyone goes here, and so I think we should be really intentional about citing places. And so, as you're describing Brian Um, you know, play for seniors, 273 00:30:12.610 --> 00:30:25.739 Erin Darling: you know that's a lot different than another population, and I think we should honor sites and be really intentional about where we're citing places. 274 00:30:27.560 --> 00:30:36.789 Brian U: I'm trying to figure out what I asked, but I I appreciate. It's just the change of use has been, you know, devastating on the neighbors. 275 00:30:36.800 --> 00:30:47.700 Erin Darling: Sure. Okay, Hotel, If they, if they had wanted to sell that to the Project Home Key instead of the Project Room key. 276 00:30:47.710 --> 00:31:09.209 Erin Darling: I don't think that use when you're taking people from the boardwalk with the addiction and all the other issues, and you don't have the same restrictions in that hotel. It's just an excuse to walk in, and three hots in a cotton shit. I back out on the boardwalk where I was before. They kick me off. My, you know. I'm counted as being housed in the system right now, 277 00:31:09.220 --> 00:31:11.890 Erin Darling: right? Okay, So I I do want to respond to that. 278 00:31:12.540 --> 00:31:27.299 Erin Darling: So sorry I I just wanted I I I I I get the the drift of your question, which is also the the concern with neighbors, you know. And I think this is really a big point that you bring up is that when we're creating transitional housing, bridge housing any kind of 279 00:31:28.120 --> 00:31:53.069 Erin Darling: housing that we were transitioning folks off the street management of it has to be key. People have to be good neighbors, I mean, we all have to be good. So to the extent thing that you know a site is not good neighbors. We have to address that, you know, and and and I think that's a key of the city is is making sure that neighbors aren't, you know, negatively impacted, because the fact is that we want to scale up 280 00:31:53.530 --> 00:32:23.179 Erin Darling: the overall process of getting people off the streets, and that it's only slowed down if people are afraid of being neighbors, and so we need to. People need to see proof of concept of being good neighbors, and where it's not happening. As you're describing it, we need to address that, and it's, and the status quo is not working. Um: And so so yeah, that that is a real concern, and and it is an effective change of use as as you're describing, but it's not just about the change of use per se as a waste to land use. But, 281 00:32:23.190 --> 00:32:29.110 Erin Darling: as you say, you know the concern that the neighbors have, and neighbors do have to be listened to. 282 00:32:32.430 --> 00:32:33.590 frank murphy: Jody. 283 00:32:33.600 --> 00:32:39.789 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): Thanks, thanks, Frank. Thank you, and for joining me for taking your time out for us today. 284 00:32:40.130 --> 00:32:46.699 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): The only question I had is, what do you know about the California care courts? And how do you feel about them? 285 00:32:47.020 --> 00:32:49.750 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): And oh, is that like um 286 00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:53.730 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): a good step towards? Uh 287 00:32:53.780 --> 00:33:03.050 Erin Darling: yeah. Well, it's. I mean, I would not say It's a good stuff to ending homelessness per se, because it that itself won't necessarily House people. But that 288 00:33:03.270 --> 00:33:30.579 Erin Darling: first of all, the California chemistry doesn't exist right now. It's a bill Ah! And and that government, and that government has has this larger proposal. Um. And then we also have to distinguish that between existing mental health courts, which is currently a form of diversion, Ah! And oftentimes mental health care, as it exists now, can be a useful form of Georgian, but it's not scaled up that much, and it's also not supported. So there's not a lot of places for people to go if they're actually getting a from judge and so big picture. The idea that 289 00:33:30.590 --> 00:33:49.390 frank murphy: California will give money to counties, and that counties will then ah have courts That and a judge can basically quarterback and assess someone through a legal proceeding, so that to give the mental health services that are particular, a person that makes sense, 290 00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:59.729 Erin Darling: and and remember the law hasn't been passed yet. So we we have to see what what the final form is. Where there's concerns about, of course, is if that judicial proceeding is not fair, and there's not enough. There is due process concerns. 291 00:33:59.740 --> 00:34:17.660 Erin Darling: Um: So yeah. And so we What we can't have is just people being scooped up, and it's kind of like this monolithic thing. And you don't have rights, and you're you know you're you're being hauled off. But to the extent, then that it's a way for an actual assessment. And then a way, like, I say, for a judge, a judge to kind of quarterback and kind of 292 00:34:17.670 --> 00:34:34.539 Erin Darling: placement of Ah, with that placement. And this is where the California State funding is so key that State funding has to be actually given to counties. To then have a bed and have services, and, like that is where the rubber will hit the road. Is Will the State added, really 293 00:34:34.550 --> 00:34:46.739 Erin Darling: pay for a place for people to go? Because, if not, if people are just ending up in the jail system. That's the status quo, because we know the number. One place 294 00:34:47.090 --> 00:34:50.260 Erin Darling: for people with mental health issues to sleep 295 00:34:50.270 --> 00:34:51.899 Erin Darling: in. The State of California 296 00:34:51.909 --> 00:35:06.999 Erin Darling: is the La County jail system, right? And that that's the status quo is not working. So we definitely need alternatives. And so I think it's It's a really important question, because what that ultimately looks like. California Careres Court is going to determine so much about how we solve this crisis. 297 00:35:07.810 --> 00:35:09.330 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): Thank you very much 298 00:35:11.610 --> 00:35:13.589 frank murphy: she earned. 299 00:35:14.290 --> 00:35:15.450 frank murphy: Cool that. 300 00:35:20.740 --> 00:35:33.720 C Bailey: Good evening, everybody. Thank you so much, Mr. Darling, for joining us. My question is about the amount of money that's being spent currently on the homeless. Where is the accountability? How can we continue to ask 301 00:35:33.730 --> 00:35:43.809 C Bailey: taxpayers to give more and more money and fund more when there has been very little in terms of oversight and accountability. 302 00:35:43.820 --> 00:36:13.469 Erin Darling: Sure, Yeah. And it's a real concern. Um, we can't just be issuing blank tracks that people need to know what their money is, and transparency is key, and I think for me that's the big one to run, you know, as a civil rights lawyer, one of the The The skills I've gained is holding bureaucracies accountable right right now. I'm running to the whole bureaucracy accountable because it's not just about saving dollars it's about the net number of units that were created. And if we're spending too much money, and we're not creating housing, 303 00:36:13.480 --> 00:36:15.580 Erin Darling: we're not creating enough housing. 304 00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:30.670 Erin Darling: You know what i'm saying so like my motivation in in, in watching every cent is making sure that enough units are being built, because if the cost overruns keep happening. We're not building enough units, and the public needs to see success, 305 00:36:30.680 --> 00:36:40.289 Erin Darling: so I totally share the goal of increasing transparency, and making sure that where the money is being spent is transparent. 306 00:36:40.300 --> 00:36:44.190 Erin Darling: I will also say, though, that a lot of the programs, 307 00:36:44.200 --> 00:37:00.709 Erin Darling: the the success we're gonna see is online hasn't happened yet, because it takes years to build. So I I I do offer a word of caution that it's not as if overnight things get built right. We know it takes years. So I am hopeful that we will begin to see more proof of concept, more success as things become 308 00:37:00.830 --> 00:37:05.590 Erin Darling: online. But it's taking too long, and it's costing too much money, and we do need to address that. 309 00:37:05.600 --> 00:37:10.690 C Bailey: How do we control the costs, though? I mean, what is the plan to control the cost for building units. 310 00:37:10.700 --> 00:37:30.619 Erin Darling: Sure, I mean for one we Ah, you know we we have to make sure that that. Ah, you know we're not giving blank checks to, you know, contractors or nonprofits, you know. So it's just it's It's a matter of project. Management. Ah! And and and that isn't just about the passing Ah, a bill, or you know, 311 00:37:30.630 --> 00:37:48.850 Erin Darling: or or you know, county or county, or city. But then implement it, and this is what i'm talking about holding doctors who's accountable. This is like having the weekly check-ins having the monthly check-ins you know making making sure that things get audited. There's not like a voila moment it's! It's the checking in 312 00:37:48.860 --> 00:38:09.940 Erin Darling: and doing the project management the entire time, because it's not as if we're just writing a check and saying, Oh, see you in a couple of years, right? And so that's the role of government, as I say, and holding bureaucracy is accountable because it's not necessarily as simple as like. Oh, there's just one corrupt developer, but it might. We don't know, because we haven't been having the proper oversight, 313 00:38:09.950 --> 00:38:13.620 Erin Darling: and so I think at the end of the day. That's what government's for. 314 00:38:13.630 --> 00:38:18.490 C Bailey: You have a plan in place to start if you win to actually both people. 315 00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:26.719 Erin Darling: Yeah, I i'm saying it having weekly and monthly meetings, so that we're keeping track of dollars and expenditures. Because, remember, 316 00:38:26.740 --> 00:38:31.789 Erin Darling: we also have to. You know that sometimes there's you know, bids that aren't. 317 00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:49.870 Erin Darling: You know that that that they're not competitive. Um, you know. Sometimes you know, there's cost overruns that that, Aren't explained. Um. And so it's basically keeping control of it, like I say, on a weekly a monthly basis. And I don't feel like that is like 318 00:38:49.880 --> 00:38:56.609 Erin Darling: something sexy or exciting, or something. I was saying, Hey, here's my great proposal. I mean it's. This is what 319 00:38:56.810 --> 00:39:03.880 people are. The people who are elected to serve are entitled to do, which is to make sure the public dollars are being spelled. 320 00:39:03.890 --> 00:39:05.720 C Bailey: You agree that it's not being done now. 321 00:39:06.390 --> 00:39:10.810 Erin Darling: I mean, clearly, there's concerns. So yeah, it's it's not being done. I mean you, 322 00:39:10.820 --> 00:39:14.689 Erin Darling: I will say, though, just because it's not being done well enough 323 00:39:14.700 --> 00:39:20.179 Erin Darling: doesn't mean that we give up on the process of building affordable housing, 324 00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:49.209 Erin Darling: and so I I so we might disagree there. I I do not think it's being done more, because the status quo is not work, but I truly believe we do not give up and improve the system, and that we create more units, and we create more affordable units in a way that that is cost effective because we can't just say, Oh, it's cost overrun What's the point of Government? Ah, you know this is just marks, and and i'll be honest. I'm, i'm a progressive i'm not a libertarian. I'm. I'm not here to say 325 00:39:49.220 --> 00:40:00.790 Erin Darling: government has no role in addressing this like let's be real the market is not creating affordable housing. We need local government to make sure that we are creating affordable housing, 326 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:16.280 Erin Darling: but that means the burden is on local government officials to make sure it's being spent well, because the public is relying on this process to get the affordable housing that hasn't been created. The city of L. A. Has been told by the State of California. You have to zone for two hundred and sixty thousand years. 327 00:40:16.290 --> 00:40:33.419 Erin Darling: That's how far behind schedule we are, so it's not a difference going to happen overnight, for for over a decade the city has prioritized market rate development, so we have not been creating affordable housing. So we're playing catch up, and it's going to take a long time. But that doesn't mean that we give up on it. It means that we do it better. 328 00:40:34.230 --> 00:40:38.209 frank murphy: Okay, your Stan, 329 00:40:38.220 --> 00:40:54.989 Erin Darling: and thank you for joining our discussion tonight. It's an honor to be able to help you in this conversation. I think my my point. My question will be toward the 330 00:40:55.260 --> 00:40:57.569 Ansar Muhammad: Dallas reduction approach 331 00:40:58.120 --> 00:41:11.170 Ansar Muhammad: most in cameras, if not all in chemists, have a element that we we've all assessed this the gang element, the prostitution element, the meth sale, element, etc. Etc. 332 00:41:11.370 --> 00:41:14.809 Ansar Muhammad: And I know law enforcement is not the answer. 333 00:41:15.030 --> 00:41:18.559 Ansar Muhammad: Suppression is not the answer. So what? What would be 334 00:41:18.600 --> 00:41:31.750 Erin Darling: your approach as relates to that particular issue around the violence in the homeless community? Sure, I mean. First, it has to be acknowledged that 335 00:41:31.760 --> 00:42:01.750 Erin Darling: the violence within the host community, as you say, affects the homeless community right? And so it's a it's. People are suffering on the streets, and and it's contributing to this. You know, gruesome statistic that you know five people there die, and so it is a matter of life and death. Um! And so I believe, one. This is why we have to act, you know, like the emergency, that it is in getting people off the streets. Um! And so I think the number one job is for local government to be focused on the process of creating that pipeline so that people have a 336 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:12.420 Erin Darling: to go so that they can get inside, and have, you know, services like I say, the house not warehouse. But I also believe that 337 00:42:12.830 --> 00:42:14.879 Erin Darling: community organizing has to happen, 338 00:42:14.890 --> 00:42:40.969 Erin Darling: you know, and that the idea that all the homeless are violent is just not true. That's stereotype right? That's betrayal against the most vulnerable. And I believe we have to empower the kind of community organizing that is happening, so that folks who are unhoused do feel secure, and and you know the work that you do stand in your organization is an example of indigenous leadership, of taking folks who are in the community and providing leadership, 339 00:42:40.980 --> 00:42:58.049 Erin Darling: because, of course, when there's violent crime, you know, police will have to intervene. Of course. There, there's a role, um, you know, when things get out of hand. But but on the day to day, keeping the peace within the community and addressing concerns. There also has to be an organizing element, and that and that, 340 00:42:58.060 --> 00:43:27.430 Erin Darling: as you say, it's indigenous leadership. And that's that's taking leadership for people who are on house people taking leadership from people who experience homelessness, but who are no longer, but who can relate? I can provide leadership, because what I I want to caution against is that Yes, there's problems. Yes, there's violence, and we have to address it. But the idea that it's this kind of Dickensian primal state all the time that we can't do anything about it, I think, is to defeat us. 341 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:31.479 Erin Darling: Yeah, a problem. So let's address these problems with that kind of community organization. 342 00:43:32.120 --> 00:43:37.029 Ansar Muhammad: And then my my other question would be to the current state, 343 00:43:37.080 --> 00:43:41.699 Ansar Muhammad: the service providers. For whatever reason 344 00:43:41.990 --> 00:43:46.209 Ansar Muhammad: Don't seem to have an interest or a desire 345 00:43:46.390 --> 00:43:54.179 Erin Darling: to do exactly what you just mentioned, which higher in this entire level, once you become Cd. Level rep. 346 00:43:54.350 --> 00:44:11.320 Ansar Muhammad: What would be your strategy to to ensure that the service providers at least, I would say, do a set aside, but at least have it to where, if you're going to be applying for these dollars to serve this population, make sure that you'll be able to 347 00:44:11.390 --> 00:44:18.879 Erin Darling: an opportunity to provide the the outreach services, because when we out there in the community we're not seeing the 348 00:44:18.930 --> 00:44:34.229 Ansar Muhammad: Venezuela we see in South Central we see in Compton we see in Long Beach, and for me to get a report from the captain from Lapd that ninety percent of the the robberies recently 349 00:44:34.400 --> 00:44:37.790 Ansar Muhammad: was done by homeless people I mean. It was alarmed 350 00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:42.289 Ansar Muhammad: like he's saying that the homeless folks is breaking into people houses, and 351 00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:52.679 frank murphy: it's a lot of rescue. And and these ask me, what can we do, and i'm like Well, we can do what we do as we relate to in a special. But what would be your approach? 352 00:44:53.060 --> 00:44:58.810 Ansar Muhammad: How to hold these local. These these service providers accountable generally for local harm, 353 00:44:58.820 --> 00:45:14.580 Erin Darling: so as as really sort of local hiring. Um, I actually would say I I would like to take the lead on this um, and I would want my own field deputies to live in the communities that they're serving, you know. I I I feel like 354 00:45:15.130 --> 00:45:45.119 Erin Darling: we're gonna get better results as a community. If the steel deputies of the City Council are are living in the communities and and feel responsible for those communities, and I feel similarly with outreach, you know, like you, if you know the community, if you know that the the folks, because let's be real, a lot of people are are are not from here, but a lot of people are, you know. And so, if you have that that that local roots, I think you're just much more effective and knowing delay the land. So I think it behooves us 355 00:45:45.130 --> 00:46:04.130 Erin Darling: to hire Locally, I I can't say there's a particular exact percentage or anything like that. But it has to be a giant value that we have, you know, like. Let's acknowledge that the resources and talent we already have here, and let's use that indigenous leadership. 356 00:46:04.860 --> 00:46:08.459 Erin Darling: So yes, to answer your question. Yes, I totally support hiring locals. 357 00:46:08.810 --> 00:46:10.670 frank murphy: Thank you. Nineteen, 358 00:46:12.380 --> 00:46:27.490 vicki halliday: Yeah. Uh as a follow up to what you and Colette were talking about with the affordability of housing and and getting a lot done quickly. Um! And using the the Finnish media project 359 00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:29.969 vicki halliday: as an example of, 360 00:46:30.190 --> 00:46:33.640 vicki halliday: I think, why so many of us have lost faith 361 00:46:33.890 --> 00:46:36.200 vicki halliday: and in 362 00:46:37.030 --> 00:46:47.170 vicki halliday: affordable housing, as you, as you know, it's a million like two per door. It's not gonna 363 00:46:47.550 --> 00:46:57.689 vicki halliday: It's not gonna hounds or promises a house that make people who are homeless. 364 00:46:57.700 --> 00:47:00.580 Ansar Muhammad: I feel it's sold here. That's over. 365 00:47:01.530 --> 00:47:05.709 vicki halliday: Okay, Sounds like this, 366 00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:06.970 vicki halliday: and 367 00:47:07.040 --> 00:47:13.039 vicki halliday: then light of the Coastal Commission appealing this project, 368 00:47:13.700 --> 00:47:29.929 vicki halliday: I mean, do do we put housing needs over environmental safety and and the community. I mean, we're doing that out on that, because I think that that's a conundrum that a lot of us are looking at. 369 00:47:30.580 --> 00:47:42.630 Erin Darling: Yeah, I look. I I think these various community interests are important to balance, and they're not mutually exclusive. What I do know is that there was an encampment at the Centennial Park, 370 00:47:42.910 --> 00:47:59.429 Erin Darling: and instead of getting folks off the street, there was an enforcement-based approach that fenced off the the fence off the park. Where do those folks go? Well, you go two blocks west right now, and instead of an encampment at Venice and i'm a kidney, There's an encampment at Venice and Pacific 371 00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:02.920 Erin Darling: people got pushed out. And now there's in camp in two locks west of there, 372 00:48:02.940 --> 00:48:10.409 Erin Darling: and in between, where people were and people where they are now, there's a city a lot that can create at least one hundred units. 373 00:48:11.110 --> 00:48:40.169 vicki halliday: I mean, I am so No, please, please. And so i'm not saying, there's not concerns you. There's definitely valid concerns with environment, with design. Ah! Like I I think there's valid concerns that have to be addressed, and and right now, quite rightly, it's not in front of the City council. It's It's in front of the Coastal Commission, and so so this has to be worth through. There there has to be a community process. I completely ah think that there needs to be community engagement. There needs to be a whole community process. But what I what I what I believe in, though, is that 374 00:48:40.180 --> 00:48:44.289 Erin Darling: we have to take publicly owned land, 375 00:48:44.300 --> 00:49:06.530 Erin Darling: and what, and build permanent support housing because it's the cheapest, fastest way to do it, and i'm not saying that the the current plan is perfect, and that there can't be concerns that Aren't addressed. But at the end of the day It does not make sense to me to be pushing people from one block to another, and in between, where there's currently people living on the streets to oppose a project that will house people, 376 00:49:06.540 --> 00:49:09.790 Erin Darling: and yes, they have to be good neighbors once it's built. 377 00:49:09.800 --> 00:49:23.819 Erin Darling: Yes, the design has to incorporate community concerns. You have valid concerns. I'm not saying it's not. But the overall project of housing people 378 00:49:23.930 --> 00:49:43.590 Erin Darling: within these particular sites is just something I support, and I think reasonable people can differ about about how we do it. But what I don't want is the perfect to be the enemy. They're good and say, well, it can't be here, and it can't be here, and it can be here, and it ends up, being nowhere. And if we're not building anywhere, and how are we addressing this crisis of tens of thousands of people on the streets. 379 00:49:43.940 --> 00:49:52.299 vicki halliday: No, I I hear you. I All i'm saying is, Do we listen to the traditional entities when they say 380 00:49:52.430 --> 00:50:02.259 vicki halliday: this is a tsunami zone. This is going to be a flood zone. I mean, do you Do you just go ahead and build figuring? Okay, we'll move it later. 381 00:50:02.270 --> 00:50:13.489 Erin Darling: Yeah, no, no, I I I totally get that those concerns. But let's be honest. I I used to live on the canals. I am, and I love doing anything else. And I remember seeing those signs. It was always kind of like intimidating like tsunami zone, you know, 382 00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:30.680 Erin Darling: but people are already living there. So if it's not in the port, if there is not a construction moratorium in that zone there's there's million-dollar homes being constructed every day, you know. And so if there's a million dollar home being constructed, I also believe there should be affordable housing constructed in these zones. But yeah, we have to be concerned like there's 383 00:50:30.690 --> 00:50:53.140 Erin Darling: so many building concerns. We live in a tsunami zone Fire zone is in the drought zone. Um, you know we have lots of concerns, if anything. That's why it's so expensive to building California. Because we have, you know, like all these, all these problems, it is real. But I don't think that. Then it's a reason to just say we're gonna, you know, Not endeavor at all to address the normal crisis that we're all facing. 384 00:50:53.510 --> 00:50:54.799 vicki halliday: Thank you, 385 00:50:55.150 --> 00:50:58.589 frank murphy: all right. And before we go into another round of question 386 00:50:58.600 --> 00:51:00.389 frank murphy: Oh, yeah, okay, Pat. 387 00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:11.970 frank murphy: Sorry. I don't have the same control accesses with this phone. But I I wanted to begin with a bit of disclosure. I did reach out to 388 00:51:11.980 --> 00:51:31.100 Pat Raphael: to both candidates. I reached out to Tracey Park in the third text, and ask her to be with me, and have a moment to speak. And I also reach out to Mr. Aaron Darling and Aaron is the one that did me. So I did. Wanted to put that out there as a bit of a disclosure, looking at spending 389 00:51:31.110 --> 00:51:49.409 Pat Raphael: one of the things that people are talking about and trying to get accountability right? We do understand a lot of the money that would fund the Five points you spoke about. When people say, hey? Where is the money going to come from? 390 00:51:49.420 --> 00:51:57.019 Pat Raphael: Lot of these dollars are already being spent in ways that are not working so often. The issue when we're trying to get 391 00:51:57.110 --> 00:51:59.700 Pat Raphael: what might become the good solution, 392 00:51:59.710 --> 00:52:19.720 Pat Raphael: the entrenched interests that are already getting the money that are already getting the funding pipelines that are educating all of these interests in what's not working? I'm. Trying to understand. What kind of voice are you going to bring to the City Council to try to really address, 393 00:52:19.740 --> 00:52:33.539 frank murphy: directing money towards what works and what kind of metrics is going to determine what works or not. And then the second part of the question of what I wanted to get into is that we have a 394 00:52:35.170 --> 00:52:47.390 frank murphy: well, I mean, I can. I get treated like Colette? Okay? No, no, no, no. I've been keeping the clock, so I just said that I'm going to go and go. From what I heard I was. No, no, no, I've been keeping it back. 395 00:52:47.400 --> 00:52:50.589 frank murphy: Go ahead, Go ahead. Let me let me. Can I wrap up real quick? 396 00:52:50.600 --> 00:53:00.839 frank murphy: Okay. So looking at neighbors that see relative numbers and recognize that Venice is 397 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:12.810 Pat Raphael: like being used more with with homelessness. How do we address the the historical attraction? That Venice is 398 00:53:12.950 --> 00:53:31.419 Pat Raphael: because I think, relative numbers doesn't really factor in the historical attraction. So, as a person who grew up in Venice who might understand the culture a little bit more, can we put those two pieces together as we're thinking about the dollars. 399 00:53:31.490 --> 00:53:53.709 frank murphy: Sure. So so um So first off on how it um we're paying for certain stuff a lot of things that I mentioned um, for instance, or the right to Council uh rapid rehousing with targeted economic assistance creation of permits for housing that is actually funded. If the house. La Ballot initiative passes because it would be 400 00:53:53.720 --> 00:54:22.210 Erin Darling: it would raise nine hundred million dollars a year in perpetuity. So this is major. This is a new funding stream, and and so that to answer your question about yourself. But I would also say that we are already paying for mass homelessness from er visits from cost of policing just from from overall. Ah, just the public infrastructure. And so we are already paying for it. So I don't think we have any choice but to ah, you know, invest in housing and services. 401 00:54:22.220 --> 00:54:50.990 Erin Darling: Um, Now to your question, Pat about um. The attraction of things. Um, yeah, like there's always been almost people in in Venice. I was. I was born in one thousand nine hundred and eighty One I've I've I've I've actually been told it got a lot worse after one thousand nine hundred and eighty four. Ah! And the Olympics vessel after you know years of Reagan um, but like I don't know much three, so I don't know, but I do remember since I since my memory I there has always been on the street, but right now it's at a scale that has never been. 402 00:54:51.000 --> 00:55:20.300 Erin Darling: Um. And so I I just go back to that ran study that found that eighty percent on the streets Um would accept housing, and it's not as if we have housing or options for that eighty percent of folks. So if if there are people who are, you know, deemed service resistance for people who are, you know, quasi nomadic, or one of the bunk streets, You know that that does it. So, yeah, there's nuances in any community. But if we're talking about ah, eighty percent of of the thousands of people on the streets, if those folks could be offered housing like that's a huge place to start. It's not as if we have like 403 00:55:20.500 --> 00:55:34.550 Erin Darling: that any anywhere close to being accomplished. And so yeah, I also want to acknowledge the point that you're getting to pat is that people who are unhoused are still part of this community, and they create a part of the creative class. 404 00:55:34.560 --> 00:55:55.209 Erin Darling: Artists have always been economically marginalized. And so the idea that ah, the unhoused are just. Ah! Folks who are like living on the margins and not contributing anything culturally is just not true. It's not true historically, and it's not true. If you just go to the boardwalk, you know, and there's and there's beautiful artists in meeting with you like, who are folks who are selling their art on the street. 405 00:55:55.220 --> 00:56:01.989 Erin Darling: And so it's important not to paint. But you brought a brush to to stay with the art metaphor and saying that you 406 00:56:02.000 --> 00:56:11.139 Erin Darling: Yeah, let's let you know. Let's acknowledge that there that there is talent, and that there's also leadership in addressing this crisis that we can take from the people on the streets, 407 00:56:11.550 --> 00:56:39.700 Pat Raphael: I guess. Ah, the quick follow-up would be! Ah! How do we avoid making policy only about the people who are. So you talk about cultural creatives and people who are contributing right well. If those aren't the people that's our focus. When we're making policy, we're only focusing on the person screaming at the top of his lung even though that person is bothering the cultural creative that's in a semi-nomadic lifestyle. As well. 408 00:56:39.710 --> 00:56:40.680 Pat Raphael: A. 409 00:56:40.890 --> 00:56:46.810 Erin Darling: That's kind of seems to be where the the acknowledgment is not being. 410 00:56:46.820 --> 00:57:16.429 Erin Darling: Yeah, I mean, I I want to say two things that just that come to mind is one is a a legal maxim, and others a community organizing maxim, the legal maxim: Um, What the the community organizing maximum is. There's nothing uh about us without us, you know. And so any any plans and policy has to include folks who have experienced homelessness themselves, because we're not going to transition people off the streets if we're not taking lived experiences. Um, and the second uh the legal expression is, uh you don't want 411 00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:35.290 Erin Darling: the exceptions to make the rule. And so, if we're for treating everyone like a criminal and everyone like a scourge. Ah, then, that's not the exact policy tools that are going to address the crisis. Ah! When we are dealing with Ah! You know thousands of people and a whole spectrum of human behavior. And so at the end of the day I feel like there's a lot that can be done, 412 00:57:35.300 --> 00:57:42.919 and yes, we have to address public safety. Yes, we have to address people's lack of security both within encampments, and 413 00:57:42.960 --> 00:57:49.489 Erin Darling: you know, housed. But I go back to it. There's eighty percent of the folks who want housing. 414 00:57:49.540 --> 00:57:54.890 Erin Darling: Besides, if they're being offered that anytime soon. So let's leverage local government to bring that housing online. 415 00:57:57.270 --> 00:57:59.520 frank murphy: Okay, um. 416 00:58:00.160 --> 00:58:09.049 frank murphy: Let me ask one quick, and then we'll go back in and do another round if there's folks. If you're up for 417 00:58:09.190 --> 00:58:11.080 frank murphy: a little bit more time. 418 00:58:11.890 --> 00:58:14.390 frank murphy: Um, what? Now wait a minute. 419 00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:23.849 frank murphy: Once I ask a question, then then Vicki has the questions from the public. We'll do that, and then we'll go back into another round of my apologies. 420 00:58:24.030 --> 00:58:30.589 frank murphy: I can I? Can. I insist on like similar treatment, because that's not how we treated Tracy. I wanted it to 421 00:58:30.600 --> 00:58:32.490 Pat Raphael: other questions with her. 422 00:58:32.500 --> 00:58:37.590 vicki halliday: No, we don't know all the public questions came at the end after. 423 00:58:37.600 --> 00:58:39.190 vicki halliday: No, I'm talking about uh, 424 00:58:39.200 --> 00:58:47.340 vicki halliday: Frank is saying, we're gonna get to have another round with with Aaron, which is, 425 00:58:47.370 --> 00:59:02.749 frank murphy: but I mean that's what I wanted last week, when I used my question to get the ball rolling for everybody, just to kind of get the policy going. And then that became the question that I if I had, and I didn't have, and I have a chance to bring anything else up 426 00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:16.189 vicki halliday: well, and then I feel like we get to do this, Erin in a way that excuse me a second cat, Frank. We did. We did two rounds of questioning from the committee, and then the questions from the public at the at the end after the 427 00:59:16.200 --> 00:59:16.890 frank murphy: Okay, 428 00:59:16.900 --> 00:59:20.039 vicki halliday: All right. That's all right. No problem, no problem. 429 00:59:20.230 --> 00:59:21.789 frank murphy: Sorry about that you're in 430 00:59:21.800 --> 00:59:23.700 um. 431 00:59:24.520 --> 00:59:30.250 frank murphy: My question is back to the original. If you're saying there's two options 432 00:59:30.680 --> 00:59:32.909 frank murphy: on the emergency housing 433 00:59:33.070 --> 00:59:34.890 frank murphy: jail is one. 434 00:59:35.430 --> 00:59:37.240 frank murphy: The street is the other. 435 00:59:39.410 --> 00:59:42.379 frank murphy: I'm wondering why there isn't a third option in there. 436 00:59:42.390 --> 00:59:48.600 frank murphy: I'm not saying I mean we can't wait for three years or five years to have something built. 437 00:59:50.300 --> 00:59:56.369 frank murphy: Where is it? Where is it? And why isn't there? Other considerations being 438 00:59:56.510 --> 00:59:59.850 frank murphy: here? There's an emergency need, 439 01:00:00.390 --> 01:00:04.789 frank murphy: anyhow, so that that would be where my question would like, 440 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:30.360 Erin Darling: Yeah, I I i'm not saying that i'm not embracing a dichotomy, i'm saying, right now there's not enough places, and we need to leverage local government, so that there can be more places that we can treat this like the emergency that it is, and not to sit on our hands and wait five years for something to get built, but but create stuff like asap, you know. I'm talking about modular housing, you know, with tiny homes i'm talking about, you know, converting hotels uh to have to produce things that we can get online immediately for for housing, 441 01:00:30.370 --> 01:00:58.470 Erin Darling: but as a release of mental health services. We also need to know that there's a whole spectrum that's not being addressed, which is why i'm saying that Yeah, we need to hire mental health. Ah workers, social social workers to meet people where they're at when they are in crisis, because right now people are in crisis, and it affects all of us. We all are burdened by it, and and there's not just public safety, but just a public health component of that. And so yeah, let's let's address this? Um, and we cannot. I am. I want to be clear. 442 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:28.469 Erin Darling: They're frank. I am not saying that we wait five years to get some permanent housing support that then deliver mental health services. I'm talking about mental health services day one because it's affecting all of us, and it's just a ridiculous that in the wealthiest country in the world, and the fifth biggest economy that California is in the wealthiest district of La We Don't have a mental health, social safety, and safety net when we know that it's a huge reason why anyone calls nine, one one. And so I want to basically have, like i'm talking about rapidly expanding the mental health, 443 01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:39.330 Erin Darling: health, social services that are available, and I want to be clear, not just pointing fingers at the county and saying, Oh, this is the county department. I do not want to be elected and go. Oh, this is not my department. It's a county issue 444 01:01:39.340 --> 01:01:48.330 Erin Darling: like. Now this house the city has to take responsibility for it, too, because the city already bears the burden on the back end with all the ancillary costs that we have. 445 01:01:51.330 --> 01:01:58.290 frank murphy: Okay, Let's let's uh! Elizabeth are 446 01:01:58.320 --> 01:02:05.200 frank murphy: well between Elizabeth Brian, Elizabeth, Go ahead. We'll get Brian next. Thanks very much. 447 01:02:05.790 --> 01:02:08.620 Elizabeth Wright: Uh, Dickie brought up the uh 448 01:02:08.730 --> 01:02:10.080 Elizabeth Wright: housing 449 01:02:10.210 --> 01:02:14.110 Elizabeth Wright: that is planned for the best uh boulevard medium. 450 01:02:15.140 --> 01:02:19.890 Elizabeth Wright: At one point I was in a meeting, and the architect 451 01:02:19.950 --> 01:02:25.089 Elizabeth Wright: for the uh grand thing that would be long uh 452 01:02:25.160 --> 01:02:26.649 Elizabeth Wright: the ocean 453 01:02:26.930 --> 01:02:30.330 Elizabeth Wright: side was, as I asked him, 454 01:02:35.110 --> 01:02:39.500 Elizabeth Wright: that would prevent people from having to turn on air conditioning, 455 01:02:40.080 --> 01:02:41.899 Elizabeth Wright: and his answer was, 456 01:02:41.980 --> 01:02:44.390 Elizabeth Wright: he never considered it. 457 01:02:46.100 --> 01:02:49.190 Elizabeth Wright: That plan was approved. 458 01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:53.650 Elizabeth Wright: Are you willing to do something about that? 459 01:02:54.550 --> 01:02:59.609 Elizabeth Wright: Because as soon as you have poor people having to turn on air conditioning, 460 01:02:59.620 --> 01:03:03.090 Elizabeth Wright: you're saying, Well, you may not have to pay that much in rent. 461 01:03:03.100 --> 01:03:06.009 Elizabeth Wright: The four-year electric bill is going to be a sucker 462 01:03:06.020 --> 01:03:06.689 Erin Darling: it's 463 01:03:06.700 --> 01:03:10.610 Erin Darling: No, No, these are great concerns, I mean I 464 01:03:10.770 --> 01:03:40.760 Erin Darling: Honestly, it sounds like my household. But why you turn on air conditioning, opening up the front door because you get the breeze, you know, So I. I I think the design is well founded, and and I, I do think you know, design should incorporate things like an an ocean breeze, especially those blocks away, and of course it's not just the energy cost, but but you know just carbon emissions of wasting energy, you know, for air conditioning. So I think it's a it's a fair concern, and and look, it's It's out of the coastal permission now, and there there are design criticisms that they are very valid, and I think that 465 01:03:40.770 --> 01:03:56.010 Erin Darling: it's a really outdoor. And like i'm not an architecture expert at all. But I do know that there's lots of smart building techniques that minimize electricity and do account for natural reasons. So I think that's a great 466 01:03:57.570 --> 01:04:00.249 Elizabeth Wright: But will you be doing anything about it? 467 01:04:00.780 --> 01:04:18.660 Erin Darling: Oh, I mean, but like right now it's at the coast of commission. So let's see. You know what with the Coast Guard we're saying, Who knows? Maybe the Coastal Commission takes up this very concern, and you know we don't have to. You know it's. But but yeah, I to answer your question. I think it's a terrific concern, and it's a design issue, and it should be should be raised for sure. 468 01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.310 frank murphy: Okay, Brian, 469 01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:36.409 Brian U: As a follow up. You mentioned eighty percent of the people on the streets wanted to do housing. I think you know that i'm the board chair of chair, and we do collaborative housing and shared housing, 470 01:04:36.420 --> 01:04:55.089 Erin Darling: and it's been great that Mike Bon, and over three years gave us fifty grand three years in a row, and we got one hundred Grand from Holly Mitchell and all that the fact of the matter is when we do outreach, thirty percent of the people that we do outreach in the encampments will move into shared house. 471 01:04:55.520 --> 01:04:59.339 Brian U: If it's ten thousand dollars per person to move into shared housing, 472 01:04:59.350 --> 01:05:28.290 Brian U: why are you not funding shared housing? It's an immediate fix, and the reality? When you look at the outcomes compared to the outcomes in a single room Occupancy Deal. I lived in a hotel by myself for eighteen months when and i'm twenty or so, and and I had difficulty, man, when I lie in that bed by myself and worried out fear, anxiety upset, and it wasn't until I broke out of that hotel room and went into self-help support groups that I have a chance to get better shared housing does. That 473 01:05:28.300 --> 01:05:45.270 Brian U: It's sort of the triage that then gets them ready to go into permanent housing. We have four percent of the people returned to homelessness. The existing system has twenty six. I talked to a guy on the board of Lhasa, he says, in the home in the Hotel Home Key, forty seven percent are walking out the back 474 01:05:45.320 --> 01:05:53.949 Brian U: there. There's no consistency. So in a program that the people on the street will go to. Why won't you guys fund it? 475 01:05:54.130 --> 01:05:55.389 frank murphy: Well, it's not 476 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:58.289 Erin Darling: right, please. Please don't see, you guys, i'm not 477 01:05:58.300 --> 01:06:08.089 frank murphy: elected. But but knowing that you're getting endorsed by the people that aren't funding it well, and it's okay. 478 01:06:08.100 --> 01:06:10.429 Erin Darling: No, no. I won't have a note of it. 479 01:06:10.440 --> 01:06:40.100 Erin Darling: First of all, Brian, first off congratulations on your success in getting sober, and I totally commend the program, and I believe completely that where there's successful programs that they should be support. And yes, the folks who want congregate housing shared housing. That is amazing, and we need to meet people where they are, because we know that there's a giant spectrum of human behavior, and the folks who want to go inside and the shared housing that should be supported completely. I'm not saying there's one path that is just one room for person people with social animals and and we are all social creatures. And 480 01:06:40.110 --> 01:06:48.790 Erin Darling: yeah, and and the folks who want to live communally or not community. But you know, in some form of concrete housing totally should be supportive. But it doesn't work for lots of people, right? If you say that you 481 01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:50.089 Brian U: thirty, I said thirty percent. 482 01:06:50.100 --> 01:06:52.089 frank murphy: No, no, no. So i'm just saying 483 01:06:52.100 --> 01:06:52.890 frank murphy: it's all right. 484 01:06:52.900 --> 01:06:55.689 frank murphy: Thousand people that would go, 485 01:06:55.700 --> 01:06:56.899 Brian. 486 01:06:56.930 --> 01:07:15.420 Erin Darling: So Brian i'm saying, i'm saying, that's great, and let's support that thirty thousand, and and and so I am not opposed to that, to to the extent that there's people who are getting off the streets immediately and say it's thirty percent, then yes, then that should be supportive. I like. We have to peak meet people where they're at, 487 01:07:15.430 --> 01:07:27.570 Erin Darling: and that it's not silver vest, and there's no one silver bullet. There's no one approach, and This includes completely the approach that you're describing, and I completely support that. 488 01:07:27.580 --> 01:07:50.589 Erin Darling: Just make explicit explicit what it's kind of implicit in what you're saying about. Um Mike Bonnet. Ah, I've been endorsed by the La Times. I've been endorsed by the La Times. I've been endorsed by State Senator Ben Allen. I've been endorsed by Supervisor Sheila Fuel. I've been endorsed by Assembly members by Ryan, Tina Mckinner. Ah, all who represent this area, and I've also been endorsed by my mom 489 01:07:50.600 --> 01:08:08.689 Erin Darling: so I've been endorsed by the entire Democratic. Ah! Elected officials who are representing that, but so many directed. And so but i's what I've seen, and so just because I've been endorsed by my bonnet doesn't mean I want to do everything that my bond does. My mom's not in this race. I think it's a it's a smoked screen to say, Oh, you know my mind, 490 01:08:08.700 --> 01:08:11.789 Erin Darling: I am running because the status quo is not working 491 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:17.090 Erin Darling: i'm running because I have a three-year-old, and I want him to grow up in the Venice that he can be proud of, that he can feel safe in 492 01:08:17.100 --> 01:08:37.990 Erin Darling: like. I. I've been endorsed by lots of folks, but that doesn't mean I want to do exactly what they've done. I'm running because i'm a civil rights lawyer who has housing experience, and I completely have faith in our ability collectively on the West side, to address these issues, and and and the experience that you bring to bear is part of that. And so it's not about duplicating 493 01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:42.519 Erin Darling: the the the shortcomings of of prior administrations. 494 01:08:42.670 --> 01:08:48.390 frank murphy: I I think I always understood all right. I get a thirty second follow-up for and thank you. 495 01:08:48.500 --> 01:09:05.990 frank murphy: Ah, I didn't mean to cut up Mike Mike. It's the only one that's been funding this all right. I'm just saying, you're funding our pennies on the dollar, when all of a sudden you have proven pilot programs that are working for other things that are going on. But they're not getting funded any more than saying, I'm sure. 496 01:09:06.000 --> 01:09:09.389 frank murphy: Okay. And I appreciate my funniness. 497 01:09:09.399 --> 01:09:11.000 frank murphy: Okay, Brian, it's great 498 01:09:11.970 --> 01:09:14.189 frank murphy: Um Colette. 499 01:09:17.270 --> 01:09:21.409 C Bailey: Hi. I want to follow up on the Venice Medium Project because 500 01:09:22.060 --> 01:09:29.800 C Bailey: needs to be redesigned. It's way too expensive. There are things that haven't been thought out, and as Elizabeth pointed out, 501 01:09:30.300 --> 01:09:39.440 C Bailey: What would you do? Can you look at this and tell us that it needs to be redesigned, or are you sticking with the current plan? 502 01:09:39.600 --> 01:10:09.559 Erin Darling: Um, Ah, neither. It's. It's not the coastal Commission now, so it's, it's, but like it's kind it's, which is effectively Ah, it's it's kind of like saying it's in litigation, which is to say, Ah, there the the Coastal Commission can't can order redesigns. It can. We? Don't know what it's going to do So I I honestly, Don't think it's appropriate to say what i'm going to do, as if i'm the King, like the Coastal commission's a lot more powerful than the city Council, and so let's see what the Coastal Commission does, and if it sends it back and it's redesigned, 503 01:10:09.570 --> 01:10:26.510 Erin Darling: then obviously the project has to change. And so it's an important question you're bringing up. Collect that at the end of the day after the Coastal Commission rules, and there's something you said, Design wise. Yeah, This is an important community conversation. For sure 504 01:10:26.520 --> 01:10:34.199 C Bailey: you could go on record and say that you support the Coast Commission looking at it because of the issues, especially the environmental issues. 505 01:10:34.210 --> 01:10:52.290 Erin Darling: I mean, I think that's the current status. Yeah, it's in front of the Coastal Commission for for an array of issues. Ah, and that's that's not. That's not something to support or oppose. That's so. That's a legal fact like that is a legal fact. It is in front of the coastal Mission right now like That's that's like saying, Oh, I support cases going on a pellet for like 506 01:10:52.300 --> 01:11:02.579 Erin Darling: so. Yes, that is the process. And so, yes, as a lawyer I support legal process one hundred percent. This is the legal process, and it's important that we follow the process one hundred percent. 507 01:11:02.810 --> 01:11:03.990 frank murphy: Okay, 508 01:11:04.000 --> 01:11:08.089 frank murphy: Um. Stan, you had your you had your hand up. 509 01:11:08.330 --> 01:11:10.099 frank murphy: You stand still with us. 510 01:11:11.460 --> 01:11:14.110 Ansar Muhammad: Thank you. I'm, i'm here. Thank you. 511 01:11:16.150 --> 01:11:17.490 Ansar Muhammad: Thank you. 512 01:11:20.940 --> 01:11:23.410 frank murphy: Did you have it? Did you have a question. 513 01:11:25.590 --> 01:11:26.789 Ansar Muhammad: He's here. 514 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:27.800 frank murphy: Okay, 515 01:11:28.050 --> 01:11:32.070 frank murphy: um. Anybody else follow up questions or 516 01:11:33.240 --> 01:11:34.349 frank murphy: Well, 517 01:11:35.730 --> 01:11:39.550 Pat Raphael: Well, thank you, Frank. I know It's a 518 01:11:46.420 --> 01:11:48.330 frank murphy: you're frozen pat 519 01:11:53.150 --> 01:11:55.970 frank murphy: that you're frozen, and you're on mute. 520 01:11:57.500 --> 01:11:58.859 frank murphy: Oh, there you go! 521 01:11:59.510 --> 01:12:02.000 vicki halliday: He's! He's drawing mirror 522 01:12:03.060 --> 01:12:04.739 frank murphy: that you're on mute 523 01:12:13.980 --> 01:12:32.090 Erin Darling: skilled up. So i'm trying to understand what kind of process would you devise to kind of recognize the things that are working through the metrics that that that tells you what's good or not? And then then, putting the energy to scaling them up. 524 01:12:32.540 --> 01:13:01.919 Erin Darling: I didn't hear the whole thing. But to to answer the question about scaling up my metrics, I mean, I think one success is, you know, getting folks out the street and and programs that say a year later uh keep people housed. So, for instance. Uh, but that's that. That can't be the only because once again we have to house people, we can't warehouse people uh, and so you know there's success in getting to say two hundred people, you know, more or less off the boardwalk last summer, and you know, a year later, around eighty percent. We're still house, So that's 525 01:13:01.930 --> 01:13:16.780 Erin Darling: not great, but it's good, and then the program has to improve. But that's certain. Certainly a lot better than, for instance, what happened in Echo Park, where, instead of having a pipeline out of the candidates, and inside they literally fenced off the park and push people out, 526 01:13:16.790 --> 01:13:46.670 Erin Darling: and the folks just were dispersed, and a lot of those folks came in Venice, and a study about what happened folks a year later. There, by one count more people had died than it even remained housed. So we know it. Doesn't work is that Enforcement base, close the part, push them away to a different part of the city. We know that doesn't work. And so uh, in terms of scaling stuff up is uh attention to. The question is to get that gets people off the streets to keep people house and meet their basic needs, and then and also contribute, 527 01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:51.890 Pat Raphael: you know, to people's mental well-being and sobriety and there's lots of different in dish of that, 528 01:13:51.900 --> 01:14:00.390 frank murphy: like the key part of the question was was that I was saying scaling up the things that work, How do we? 529 01:14:00.400 --> 01:14:01.389 frank murphy: Okay, Pat? 530 01:14:01.400 --> 01:14:09.349 Erin Darling: So yeah. So in terms of scaling it up. It's also like this is a big deal. 531 01:14:09.360 --> 01:14:32.749 Erin Darling: There is a state surplus, so we should apply and get State service funds for this crisis, and then, with those funds, throw it into the things that we work. Uh by by funding the the the nonprofits that we know are successful models. Uh, and and that's the simple answer is, we have to fund the successful models. Uh? And then the question is, What are the metrics of success, and that you know 532 01:14:32.760 --> 01:14:34.010 Erin Darling: that's what I was saying about. 533 01:14:37.950 --> 01:14:55.290 vicki halliday: Oh, yeah, very good. Um, Thank you. Ah, I live fifty feet from the front of bridge housing. Um, and this was supposed to have been, you know, a security zone, and we were told there would be all sorts of things that would 534 01:14:55.340 --> 01:15:15.129 vicki halliday: happen here extra sanitation, security, and that sort of thing which did not covid as part of that. I'm just wondering what your thoughts are on continuing with bridge housing and potentially safe camping. And if you will create zones around 535 01:15:15.180 --> 01:15:29.020 vicki halliday: those facilities to help the residents, but also to prohibit people camping right outside, which also hurts the people who are trying to transition. 536 01:15:29.430 --> 01:15:40.590 vicki halliday: And you know I know that we were caught in a weird vortex of Covid and everything else going on. But i'm just wondering your feelings on both those things. Thank you. 537 01:15:40.600 --> 01:15:57.779 Erin Darling: Yeah. I mean, look like what you your neighbors have experienced. It's intense. It's It's totally intense, and I I get how uh you can feel at your wits end by just a lot of issues of of of having people with, say, mental health issues on your on your street. 538 01:15:57.790 --> 01:16:27.149 Erin Darling: Um: So yeah, the the concerns about security and and uh cleaning, you know, are real, and the city should keep his promises about, you know, making sure the streets are clean, or you know, making sure that there's, you know, safe out of security, or you know security generally um for the city should uh keep its promises. It's the extent that that was uh the reason for the community to bring to the bridge housing. In the first place. Um, but I don't think that we're in a position to say, Oh, let's just close this bridge housing, and just like send lots of people back to the streets 539 01:16:27.160 --> 01:16:46.400 Erin Darling: like I I I think that is, is, is not success. I but I do believe that we improve and make sure that people are better neighbors like that. And, like, I said earlier, we have to do that because people need to see success because we need to scale up what works in getting people off the streets, and if it's, if if success 540 01:16:46.410 --> 01:16:57.810 Erin Darling: is not achieved, if if neighbors, you know, feel beleaguered, you know. So the part of the is is making sure people are good neighbors, but 541 01:16:57.850 --> 01:17:19.980 Erin Darling: the frustration cannot be that we're just closing doors and just sending people back to the streets again, and like that. I think so. I think it's. It's It's a balancing thing. Everyone has to be good. If you had a house neighbor who was being a nuisance like That's not being good, right? So I don't think it's a dichotomy between, you know, housing unhouse like that, you know, like We've all lived next terrible neighbors, I mean. I grew up in Venice in the eighties. 542 01:17:19.990 --> 01:17:27.289 vicki halliday: I had junkies, three doors down. It's sucked the neighbors for junkies right. They don't. We have pence jumpers and home intrusion 543 01:17:27.300 --> 01:17:44.270 vicki halliday: or no, exactly. There's there's issues, but but the fact is that there's an array of bad neighbors, and we need to address those with with various tools. And so your concerns are real. But all I'm saying is, we can address those concerns without closing and sending people back to 544 01:17:44.720 --> 01:17:45.740 vicki halliday: thank you 545 01:17:46.900 --> 01:17:48.450 vicki halliday: over to you, Frank. 546 01:17:50.280 --> 01:17:52.310 frank murphy: All right. Um. 547 01:17:53.300 --> 01:17:55.290 frank murphy: Anybody else on the 548 01:17:55.490 --> 01:17:58.260 frank murphy: It Hasn't uh asked a question. 549 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:06.229 frank murphy: All right, Stan. You came back on him. No, I just think that this is a beautiful conversation. 550 01:18:06.910 --> 01:18:10.989 Ansar Muhammad: Um, I I mean. Obviously we've this being very uh 551 01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:20.580 Ansar Muhammad: you being very candid and forthright and direct. I appreciate. I appreciate that. I'm still thinking about the population. 552 01:18:20.780 --> 01:18:23.629 Ansar Muhammad: That's probably less than ten percent. 553 01:18:24.090 --> 01:18:33.630 Ansar Muhammad: And this is this is the group that you can build a million dollar mansion, and they might go in there for a month. But they're going to find themselves back in the elements. 554 01:18:33.850 --> 01:18:37.910 Ansar Muhammad: How do we make sure that that population is also, 555 01:18:37.980 --> 01:18:40.390 Ansar Muhammad: and our conversation moving forward 556 01:18:40.460 --> 01:18:53.459 Ansar Muhammad: to make sure that they get the best services and the best treatment that they can get. And then, more importantly, will you be open to create a coalition which will allow all the service providers 557 01:18:53.630 --> 01:18:59.460 Ansar Muhammad: to be in lockstep with the mission. And the reason why I'm bringing this up is because it seems like 558 01:18:59.540 --> 01:19:08.909 Erin Darling: the service providers of this is all in their own little, so nobody's communicating. Nobody is collaborating, 559 01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:27.749 Ansar Muhammad: and I think we should look at a coalition. 560 01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:56.129 Erin Darling: Yeah, I understand. I think you head to be on the head about a a lot of times. Why bureaucracies fail is that people go in silos? So one nonprofit does this thing, and they have their rules, another nonprofit, and that thing that They're not talking, and they're duplicating efforts. And different groups are doing outreach. And this of the different social works. They're talking to the same person on the street, and it's just duplication of efforts if it doesn't work. Uh. And so yeah, I totally. And I was actually talking to a a tech on someone who uh wants to, uh 561 01:19:56.140 --> 01:20:25.810 Erin Darling: kind of make sure that we're not duplicating um. And there's an interesting thing where we can use blockchain and and web three where basically we can have uh individual privacy of people's data, but that can be shared in a certain way. Um, with nonprofit providers where it's the person chooses to share their information uh, and and that there's basically and otherwise anonymizes it. It's just an interesting idea That was someone's talking about today. But the point is, there has to be a larger effort where it's this or some old school way, 562 01:20:25.830 --> 01:20:32.199 Erin Darling: were we that we're basically not duplicating. And there's a coalition, because at the end of the day 563 01:20:32.210 --> 01:20:58.639 Erin Darling: a huge problem is that non-profits Aren't talking to each other and they're within the city of Los Angeles, and we've got fifteen city council districts, and each one of its own will feast them. They're all doing their thing, and it's oftentimes at longer heads with each other. Then you have the county. And so you have all these different entities that Aren't coordinating and and I believe Ah, what's exciting to me, and what what the way we achieve success is getting people in the room and do what government should be doing, which is, is, 564 01:20:58.850 --> 01:21:12.369 Erin Darling: you're marshalling resources to collectively address a problem by convening stakeholders in a room over a shared goal, and that has to be a coalition of all the service providers for sure. 565 01:21:13.240 --> 01:21:14.819 Ansar Muhammad: Yes, sir, 566 01:21:15.490 --> 01:21:17.170 frank murphy: makes sense. 567 01:21:17.950 --> 01:21:26.679 frank murphy: Um Vicki questions. The questions that you received is 568 01:21:27.150 --> 01:21:33.109 frank murphy: we're not going to get to all the questions, obviously. But what we're going to do is 569 01:21:33.350 --> 01:21:48.929 vicki halliday: hopefully we'll get the questions that Haven't been addressed yet. A good number have there? There were a lot of questions about the Median project. There were a lot of questions about 570 01:21:49.110 --> 01:21:53.690 vicki halliday: security. I think there's some kind of specific ones. 571 01:21:53.700 --> 01:21:54.929 Um! 572 01:21:56.250 --> 01:22:00.000 vicki halliday: There were a number of questions about forty, one hundred and eighteen, 573 01:22:00.160 --> 01:22:01.550 vicki halliday: and 574 01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:08.759 vicki halliday: people seem to feel that you're in first to any enforcement of forty, one hundred and eighteen, 575 01:22:08.790 --> 01:22:28.670 vicki halliday: when for years. Now you know the situation, especially here in North Venice and a couple of other areas of this, you know, people have had chopped shops and encampments and stuff and front of their doors for years, and so they're but becoming anxious about forty, one, eighteen, and what to know Will you enforce it at all? 576 01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:58.599 Erin Darling: Sure. So So I mean I mean where the the law that was passed Ah! Recently. Ah, it actually makes sure it's not discretionary for a City council person. It's it's it's city. Why, um! And so so I mean. The The fact of the law is is that it's not based on individuals to the Council person. And then this other point, which I think is important is that I think people are waiting from four to one, eighteen, as like the godsend, to finally bring a safety, when, in fact, there there's laws on the books, 577 01:22:58.610 --> 01:23:21.019 Erin Darling: For instance, chop shops you about time shops. It's not as if the police are waiting for a law in the books to address chopped shops, like the police can intervene on a chop shop without an an an extra a law, because that itself is the law. Um! And so I think I think the the the thing to to know is yes, it's on the books, but we also have to acknowledge that the ultimate concern that we're concerned about. 578 01:23:21.030 --> 01:23:37.750 Erin Darling: This is people on the streets, whether we push people from one street to another, or push them from one district to another, or arrest some few people that's not addressing the issue that we all care about, which is that tens of thousands of people in La are on the streets 579 01:23:37.760 --> 01:24:04.879 Erin Darling: and in the Cd. Eleven that you know thousands of people on the streets, and we can address that by creating a pipeline out of encampment so that people can come inside. And of course, if someone is doing a violent crime that has to be addressed, Of course, if there's mental health issues that has to be addressed, but we can walk and shoot gum at the same time, and we could have this collective effort so that we can get folks off the street while ensuring, you know, neighborhood safety 580 01:24:05.260 --> 01:24:10.290 vicki halliday: that you ain't going to be no bed, a no good contract on the you? 581 01:24:10.300 --> 01:24:16.960 vicki halliday: Yeah, we know. Yeah, I mean, I mentioned that I believe that 582 01:24:17.110 --> 01:24:18.730 vicki halliday: let's see. 583 01:24:19.070 --> 01:24:22.090 vicki halliday: Uh when here's another one from 584 01:24:22.130 --> 01:24:33.980 vicki halliday: um a stakeholder. When do you think the city should begin enforcing no Rv parking living in our bees on the streets. Would you return to the seventy two hour limit? 585 01:24:34.350 --> 01:24:35.840 Erin Darling: Why, I think 586 01:24:35.850 --> 01:25:05.349 Erin Darling: um! We should really have a a safe bargain program. Uh, you know, I think a lot of the people would gladly go to a place where they can, uh, you know, to connect to electricity and water uh, and and safety. Uh, and it's my understanding. This is looking at at various places, but closer to the airport in mawa uh, and so I I support you know safe, safe candy um sites. Uh, I I I believe if there's like a you know, a seventy-two hour. We're just gonna once you give me pushing people from one street corner to the next. 587 01:25:05.360 --> 01:25:34.630 Erin Darling: Um, And it's really important to acknowledge that people who are are sleeping in their Rvs. They're not going to just give up their Rv. To go to a shelter if they've been in for for years. I mean that that's what separates them from the elements, you know. Um. And so if you create a real pipeline ah, to to to have a home, I think a lot of people will take it. But if you're just offering, you know, a a temporary shelter, they're not. Ah! So in that interim period, because, of course, like, Look, I'm going to have Bennis Boulevard in the morning to serve 588 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:54.559 Erin Darling: It's like, Yeah, there's a lot of rbs, and you know, and it's it. It does, you know, create issues. Um. But the idea that we're just gonna say, Oh, you can't do it here. And then it's just gonna go some other place that that's not really addressing the issue. And so I think, Yeah, yeah, I just returned to the city, really incentivizing uh State parking. 589 01:25:56.140 --> 01:26:00.430 vicki halliday: Thank you. Um. Let's see. Here's an interesting one. 590 01:26:00.440 --> 01:26:07.940 vicki halliday: What successful steps have you taken to bridge the gap with someone with whom you have profound disagreement? 591 01:26:08.090 --> 01:26:09.690 vicki halliday: Can you give very close to? 592 01:26:09.700 --> 01:26:16.680 Erin Darling: That's a great question I in running. I've been running for months, and no one's asked that. That's a great question. 593 01:26:17.260 --> 01:26:22.950 Erin Darling: Yeah, I just think of like my own friendships. I've maintained friendships with, 594 01:26:23.310 --> 01:26:30.210 Erin Darling: you know childhood friends who are Republican trump supporters, you know, and I think it's important 595 01:26:30.220 --> 01:26:58.870 Erin Darling: to keep in mind that you're entirely in your own opinion, but not tell us your own facts. Ah! And and we could have reasonable, you know, reasonableizing different. We can vehemently disagree. Ah! And I don't think there's a room for bigotry or oppressive language, but people can come to different conclusions. And so yeah, I mean, I won't say names, but like just childhood friends of mine, who are from supporters. Quite frankly. It's the you know. The Trump Administration placed a strain on our friendship, but it was also important 596 01:26:58.880 --> 01:27:20.700 Erin Darling: to acknowledge uh shared concerns and and separate ideology with things that we share in common. So i'm. I'm proud to say that i'm friends with lots of different people, and and I think maintaining friendships with people who you disagree with is something that's actually not happening enough in this country. And we're kind of like, 597 01:27:20.710 --> 01:27:36.109 Erin Darling: you know, going into. You know our you know It's kind of politics right now. Has this kind of centrifugal force. Uh, and that's obviously not good for democracy. Um, but I I But once again I go back to the expression. You know you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts. 598 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:44.389 vicki halliday: Thank you. By the way, i'm. Soon after this form is over, I'm going to think of like a few other relationships. 599 01:27:44.400 --> 01:28:07.580 Erin Darling: You know what I do right now straight up as a lawyer. I deal with people. I disagree vehemently all the time, and I have a professional relationship with a closing council. I am not friends of the Housing Council, but I'm. Cool with the Council, consistently from Federal prosecutors to you know, and lawyers that that defend civil rights defenders, and we can have Vm. In disagreements. 600 01:28:07.830 --> 01:28:23.589 Erin Darling: Speak to each other in a professional way. We can be friendly, and we can have a clear line of communication, or it doesn't devolve to name, calling I'm proud to say that I can maintain professional relationships with people I vehemently disagree with. And, in fact, it's crucial to do that 601 01:28:23.600 --> 01:28:35.170 Erin Darling: doing that? Um! It's not You don't like. Give up your opinion. You don't stop advocating for your client. If anything, your client is better off when you have a real 602 01:28:35.180 --> 01:28:48.380 Erin Darling: line of communication with someone, and it doesn't devolve. And so I think it's important to take yourself and your ego and your frustrations of someone else's position out of it and realize we're going to get things done 603 01:28:48.390 --> 01:28:56.540 Erin Darling: if we can find common cause on certain things, and we can also be honest. Where we disagree, we can agree to disagree on certain issues. And then where are the ways that we can find the common ground? 604 01:28:56.940 --> 01:29:09.560 vicki halliday: Thank you another one that came up several times. What is your plan for ensuring that all Cd. Eleven neighborhoods contribute to solutions for the unhouse. 605 01:29:09.570 --> 01:29:13.719 Erin Darling: Yeah, that's real. I mean, I think, Venice, we all feel this, that it's. 606 01:29:13.730 --> 01:29:42.539 Erin Darling: The fact is that it's disproportionately burdened by homelessness. Um! And so uh, you know that means that uh all the affordable housing and the bridge housing, and all the things i'm talking about. You know um it's. It's not concentrated in one place, I mean. I think it. It makes sense to meet people where they where they're at. So we're. I'm not saying it can't at all be inventors, because I think that's not the case, but we can't go to the other extreme and say, you know it has to be everywhere, you know only about, and so 607 01:29:42.550 --> 01:29:43.610 where that is, 608 01:29:43.670 --> 01:29:54.059 Erin Darling: I think the devil's in the details on on site-specific things, because we know every place that we do affordable housing every place we do a transitional housing. Every place that's proposed there will be 609 01:29:54.070 --> 01:30:11.089 Erin Darling: resistance, but it's not about bulldozing the persistence it's about reaching out to people persuading and acknowledging that they have real concerns, and pointing to how these concerns can be addressed. So, for instance, Vicki, like the concerns you have, I want to make sure that your concerns are addressed, so that for the next community 610 01:30:11.100 --> 01:30:22.329 Erin Darling: that is having concerns, you can say No, no, no, I had concerns, but they were addressed, and these are the these are the best use practices. And so you know, Hey, neighbors, in this other community, I I, and from my experience, these things can't improve, 611 01:30:22.340 --> 01:30:31.099 Erin Darling: and we can't just say, Oh, it's a four housing health bell that's going to go. It's going to go terrible. It's like we can show improvement, and people need proof of concept. 612 01:30:32.930 --> 01:30:34.850 vicki halliday: Thank you. Um. 613 01:30:35.350 --> 01:30:39.219 vicki halliday: Another one. I can't believe I just said hell's bells, 614 01:30:39.610 --> 01:30:46.839 Erin Darling: if elected, Will you visit encampments on a regular basis, and consult with all residents when forming College. 615 01:30:46.950 --> 01:30:55.919 Erin Darling: Absolutely, I will, and I've already done so as a Resident, and I do so without a photo of, or lapd with me. 616 01:30:56.480 --> 01:31:16.229 vicki halliday: Ah, and and sort of the last one i'm going to combine to um this morning across from Westminster. You may be aware that There was an overdose just about the time all the kids were going to school, and there was a body the guy would apparently, but it was quite a same as the children were going to school, and 617 01:31:17.390 --> 01:31:19.210 vicki halliday: you know you have 618 01:31:19.440 --> 01:31:28.279 vicki halliday: not been for the five hundred-foot ban of encampments. I think that you you didn't like that idea correct? 619 01:31:28.290 --> 01:31:42.079 Erin Darling: No, no, I I I I just said earlier like that that. That's the long bucks. Okay, and and I understand the concern. But the fact is, this is the law. But but once again I think that the the law that it addresses safety, 620 01:31:42.090 --> 01:32:08.289 Erin Darling: it doesn't address the fundamental issue. If someone overdose there or five hundred feet away. There's someone overdoseing, and this is a problem, and we need to address it. And so I feel like our emphasis has to be on on on addressing overdoses, addressing people dying on the streets. And And so, um, I I just feel like that The focus on Government has to be on on, like, I say, creating the pipeline out of out of the cannons um, and mental health prices. 621 01:32:08.300 --> 01:32:11.690 vicki halliday: I think that the issue was for our children, 622 01:32:11.700 --> 01:32:19.290 vicki halliday: you know. And do they have to walk over this and see this on their way to an elementary school? 623 01:32:19.300 --> 01:32:27.669 vicki halliday: Of course it. I think that that, and you know, as you might be aware, the last few years here, 624 01:32:27.850 --> 01:32:31.139 vicki halliday: councilmember, Bonnet Hasn't exactly 625 01:32:31.650 --> 01:32:45.230 vicki halliday: enforced everything that he can enforce here for the neighborhood. There's been a resentment about that. So I think that was 626 01:32:45.330 --> 01:32:53.410 vicki halliday: about that. I was just pitching. Sorry I know mine are, too. I think there's! What! You have a screens out here 627 01:32:54.880 --> 01:32:57.790 that's about it, Frank. Do you have anything to wrap up with? 628 01:32:57.800 --> 01:33:04.420 Erin Darling: I just want and just like, look like I have a three-year-old like We all want to be safe like, you know this is, you know 629 01:33:04.700 --> 01:33:33.479 Erin Darling: you know, foundational. Um but But you know The question is, how do we create safety, you know, and and I think the ultimate safety. Let's acknowledge that the safest communities are the communities that have those resources, and we're not safer if we just push the follow one street to the next um. Of course there's there's gonna you know. There's laws on the books, and you know that's you know we have to acknowledge that. And i'm not running on campaign of lawlessness. But I am saying that the ultimate safety that we want to create 630 01:33:33.490 --> 01:33:51.079 Erin Darling: is by meeting people's basic needs, and I think that it's not something that we say. Oh, five years for affordable housing to get built. We set our hands. It's It's a day one job, and it's a constant job, and it's it's like, Let's be real like This is the issue that defines the race 631 01:33:51.090 --> 01:34:11.030 Erin Darling: like homelessness, is the issue that defines the race. And so I think you have ah two, you know very stark options, and there's one option where there's a housing lawyer who has housing experience that has kept people in their homes and has addressed the housing crisis. And so I I feel really excited to have this opportunity 632 01:34:11.040 --> 01:34:24.290 Erin Darling: to, instead of representing, say, five people a day, and feeling like my efforts. Nothing. Because this systemic problem is so profound. I feel really blessed to be in this opportunity to address this structural problem, and, 633 01:34:24.300 --> 01:34:39.339 Erin Darling: you know, represent, have this opportunity to represent with the two hundred and fifty thousand people like this is a profound opportunity that, like is beyond any, you know, righteous case I've ever worked on, you know. And so i'm really excited about this opportunity to 634 01:34:39.630 --> 01:34:47.280 Erin Darling: provide the leadership, so that the wealthiest district in the city of La can address the massive homelessness crisis. 635 01:34:48.300 --> 01:34:49.389 vicki halliday: Thank you. 636 01:34:51.890 --> 01:34:56.130 frank murphy: Thank you very much for coming to this uh 637 01:34:56.190 --> 01:35:03.560 frank murphy: this presentation. Appreciate it, and I hope we all walk away a little bit more informed. 638 01:35:03.650 --> 01:35:06.150 frank murphy: And uh, thank you. 639 01:35:06.160 --> 01:35:15.689 Erin Darling: Yeah, I thank you guys, All I mean, this is great. I mean, It's like like the status quo is not working. No one wants anyone on the streets. The question is, how we get there, and we're Venice. We're going to disagree with each other like 640 01:35:15.700 --> 01:35:34.069 Erin Darling: no one on this call is going to align about everything that that that's not true. That's just. Never would be the case in Venice or anywhere. But I believe we have the talent and resources in this community and on the West Side that we can address this, and it's not a magic one. It's not going to be overnight. We can collectively see improvements in 641 01:35:39.450 --> 01:35:40.490 frank murphy: perfect. 642 01:35:40.500 --> 01:35:41.519 Erin Darling: Thank you all, 643 01:35:41.990 --> 01:35:48.770 vicki halliday: Thank you. I take care of going 644 01:35:50.140 --> 01:35:52.010 vicki halliday: over to you, friend. Thank you. 645 01:35:52.070 --> 01:36:03.389 frank murphy: All right. Now We we're into the public comment on this on this presentation, and looks like there's several hands up there. Vicki. 646 01:36:03.400 --> 01:36:10.179 vicki halliday: Yes, that's it. Um. First up is wolf Vid: two thousand and four 647 01:36:10.620 --> 01:36:11.840 vicki halliday: go here 648 01:36:19.320 --> 01:36:20.840 vicki halliday: we'll fin. 649 01:36:25.170 --> 01:36:28.179 vicki halliday: Okay, we'll come back to you. 650 01:36:30.340 --> 01:36:32.880 vicki halliday: Hold on, Let me Let me try one more time. 651 01:36:33.360 --> 01:36:39.129 vicki halliday: Okay, Um. Next up, Simon, Go ahead, please. 652 01:36:40.480 --> 01:36:57.269 Simon: I'm kind of disappointed, even though this is a homeless committee with questions. Nothing was ever said about this proposed road diet that's going in which is going to affect Venice, Marvista, and Palms, which is all District Council District eleven, 653 01:36:57.280 --> 01:37:00.919 Simon: and i'm just disappointed with you guys. Well, thank you. 654 01:37:02.480 --> 01:37:06.410 vicki halliday: Thank you, Simon Margaret Molo. I go ahead. 655 01:37:06.950 --> 01:37:11.469 Margaret Molloy: I I can say that that was a breath of fresh air, that Um 656 01:37:11.940 --> 01:37:17.819 Margaret Molloy: Aaron comes from a humanistic place, and he takes the air out of that toxic 657 01:37:18.240 --> 01:37:22.719 criminalizing, you know rhetoric, and it's just 658 01:37:22.880 --> 01:37:27.830 Margaret Molloy: amazingly refreshing, and I hope that your hearts feel it, 659 01:37:28.050 --> 01:37:36.929 frank murphy: because that's what we need. There's a lot of hate in this community. And, as everybody has said, you can't judge an 660 01:37:37.100 --> 01:37:54.469 Margaret Molloy: a demographic by a few bad apples, and that's what we hear all the time. So let's let's really go for solutions and let's work together and collectively, and let's solve the problem and just realize that the small 661 01:37:54.720 --> 01:37:58.870 Margaret Molloy: percentage of people who are involved in criminal activity 662 01:37:59.040 --> 01:38:02.180 Margaret Molloy: are reflected in the House community as well, 663 01:38:03.390 --> 01:38:11.269 Margaret Molloy: you know, and we have crime, violent crime in the house community caused by people with mental health and drug addiction. 664 01:38:11.360 --> 01:38:15.070 Margaret Molloy: Two people were shot in the head in their bed in Venice 665 01:38:15.470 --> 01:38:16.989 couple of months ago. 666 01:38:17.000 --> 01:38:23.829 Margaret Molloy: I don't hear that raise at the Venice Neighborhood Council. Why? Because they weren't on housed. Come on now, people, 667 01:38:23.840 --> 01:38:38.280 vicki halliday: we need to do better. We need to have one set of values and one set of principles, and treat people with equity and dignity, and Aaron will provide solutions, and i'm really encouraged. Thank you. Thank you, Margaret. 668 01:38:38.290 --> 01:38:39.570 vicki halliday: Um 669 01:38:39.940 --> 01:38:43.210 vicki halliday: on Helen or Burt. Go ahead. 670 01:38:44.160 --> 01:38:51.420 vicki halliday: Hi! It's Helen. I just want to correct something that Aaron Darling stated. That was a complete, 671 01:38:51.910 --> 01:38:53.730 Helen and Bert Fallon: completely inaccurate. 672 01:38:53.910 --> 01:39:00.889 Helen and Bert Fallon: They did not have any ordinances on the books regarding bicycle chops. We had only chopped shops regarding 673 01:39:00.900 --> 01:39:20.420 Helen and Bert Fallon: automotive things, and that was something that was discussed actually here at a homeless committee meeting. We had people from the attorney, the attorney's office come out and talk to us about it. We only recently got a chop shop ordinance, thanks to Uskayano, who took the idea that I presented to him and ran with it. 674 01:39:20.430 --> 01:39:24.590 Helen and Bert Fallon: And we now have something on the books that needs to be enforced, because, 675 01:39:24.820 --> 01:39:29.230 Helen and Bert Fallon: as I recently read, apparently we're the capital of Bike. Theft here. 676 01:39:29.240 --> 01:39:44.899 Helen and Bert Fallon: Got more bike thefts than any place else. And where do they think those bikes are getting stolen from. Who's stealing those bikes? It's in the encampments, and something needs to be done, and I am disappointed that we have a candidate who is so uninformed about what ordinances we have on the books, 677 01:39:45.070 --> 01:39:58.399 Helen and Bert Fallon: and I also think you need to check how much time you gave. So Tracey Park is supposed to give candidates equal time, and you seem to align significantly over with Mr. Dialing. You may want to have Tracy back to give her equal time. Thanks. 678 01:39:58.990 --> 01:40:02.279 vicki halliday: Thank you, Helen. Um, 679 01:40:02.490 --> 01:40:04.540 vicki halliday: Lisa Redmond, go ahead! 680 01:40:05.320 --> 01:40:07.789 vicki halliday: Hang on! Hang on here a lot. 681 01:40:07.800 --> 01:40:10.119 vicki halliday: There we go. There you go, Lisa. Thank you. 682 01:40:10.910 --> 01:40:29.319 Lisa Redmond: As I expected. Um, you guys ran between Tracy and Aaron completely different and unfairly. Um, Your bias was so evident everyone last month. Bond over Tracy showed ah through softball questions to her. 683 01:40:29.330 --> 01:40:48.759 Lisa Redmond: Um! And you went, and I agree with that. You doubled up on the questioning on Aaron. But you know what it backfired on you, because tonight was a far better dialogue, with more subject matter covered and more information put out than what you did with Tracy. Um, So 684 01:40:49.150 --> 01:40:52.050 Lisa Redmond: it fooled you guys and um 685 01:40:52.250 --> 01:40:55.940 Lisa Redmond: Hope people learn from some of the things in a more humanistic 686 01:40:56.040 --> 01:41:03.050 Lisa Redmond: approach tonight as well that we are community, and we all need to support each other, no matter whether we have a roof or not. 687 01:41:03.630 --> 01:41:05.190 vicki halliday: Thank you. Lisa. 688 01:41:05.200 --> 01:41:09.579 vicki halliday: Um. Next up, Nick, Go ahead, 689 01:41:21.520 --> 01:41:23.099 vicki halliday: Nick. Go ahead. 690 01:41:23.430 --> 01:41:27.670 Nick Antonicello: Yeah, I just wanted to make a point regarding the bikes. 691 01:41:27.770 --> 01:41:33.190 Nick Antonicello: I've had nine bikes. If I wouldn't Spanish thirty, two years every single one has been robbed. 692 01:41:33.420 --> 01:41:34.950 Nick Antonicello: So ah! 693 01:41:35.260 --> 01:41:38.519 Nick Antonicello: I think that comes with the Territory when you've done it. 694 01:41:39.100 --> 01:41:43.319 Nick Antonicello: What I like to thank the committee. I think you guys did a very good job. 695 01:41:43.430 --> 01:41:47.799 Nick Antonicello: Both sessions with both of the candidates, 696 01:41:58.030 --> 01:42:00.630 Nick Antonicello: saying there is no 697 01:42:00.640 --> 01:42:08.770 Nick Antonicello: housing will take a few years. There's a lot of things that while rhetorically is very different 698 01:42:08.960 --> 01:42:18.230 Nick Antonicello: in terms of application of the of the issue of homelessness are very much the same, so the committee should thank itself and continue to a bit more like this. 699 01:42:19.980 --> 01:42:21.210 vicki halliday: Thanks, No, 700 01:42:21.240 --> 01:42:24.569 Nick Antonicello: um sean O'brien, Go ahead, 701 01:42:30.830 --> 01:42:32.040 vicki halliday: Sean. 702 01:42:35.310 --> 01:42:40.869 Sean Obrien: Okay? Great? Yeah. It took a long time for the mute. Oh, yeah, I 703 01:42:41.200 --> 01:43:00.530 Sean Obrien: was a little ah unhappy with the Ah, with the meeting tonight, you guys, it's not you. No fault of you guys. I think it was Lisa Redmond said that softball questions. I think I think the questions were very soft on Darling. 704 01:43:00.540 --> 01:43:20.170 Sean Obrien: Ah, i'd like to clear up one thing. The the Venice Boulevard encampment did not just appear because they closed down Centennial Park. That encampment has been there for over eight months before they closed, and Ah Centennial Park, so I hated to hear that. Obviously he's for it. 705 01:43:20.180 --> 01:43:39.179 Sean Obrien: Ah, for the ah medium project! And then in the same breath, he he does not give Brian all his ah kudos for his shared housing. So from ten thousand dollars ahead to a million dollars an apartment, and he and he talks about trying to figure out what works 706 01:43:39.190 --> 01:43:47.199 Sean Obrien: all very disappointing with that and a couple of the things I don't see hate in the community. I see, frustrates them because 707 01:43:47.370 --> 01:43:55.169 Sean Obrien: we've been waiting for years to have a balance. Everything's all car. It there's no stick. 708 01:43:55.340 --> 01:44:01.990 Sean Obrien: People are coming here from There was no mention of out-of-state out of area people come into Camp in Venice, but 709 01:44:02.210 --> 01:44:14.279 Sean Obrien: so, Anyways, I I appreciated The effort was very informative. And, darling scares the crap out of me. Vote Tracy Park. Thank you. 710 01:44:14.510 --> 01:44:18.750 vicki halliday: Hey? Shawn? Um, Barry? 711 01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:23.080 vicki halliday: Alright, Yeah, Hi, um, 712 01:44:23.180 --> 01:44:42.140 barrycassilly: yeah, I I guess if I'm honest Aaron scares me, too. Um, you know, I thought some of the glaring contradictions tonight. Were just too much to ah ignore um. I mean when questioned in other forums. 713 01:44:42.150 --> 01:45:01.549 barrycassilly: Aaron has said repeatedly that what he would do That's the link. Specifically, he said. Is he would double down on successful programs, and the one he's repeatedly pointed to is St. Joseph's centers um relocating people from the boardwalk. 714 01:45:01.560 --> 01:45:18.280 barrycassilly: Yeah. Tonight, when Brian pointed out what had actually been done with those people. Um! That they are still on the boardwalk um housed in a way that is, in violation of the a lease agreement, and the 715 01:45:18.290 --> 01:45:27.150 barrycassilly: neighbors are just furious about conditions around that facility. 716 01:45:27.430 --> 01:45:43.090 barrycassilly: He just I don't know, he just kept saying, Well, that's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. That's unacceptable. Well, if all that is unacceptable, then your proposal is unacceptable, because this is what you're you're pointing out as what you would do more of 717 01:45:43.100 --> 01:45:59.259 barrycassilly: and with the Median project as well. On the one hand, he was saying, it's concerning, but I guess it's not concerning enough to do anything about it. It's concerning that We're spending one point two million dollars a door for 718 01:45:59.270 --> 01:46:20.750 barrycassilly: quasi. Ah um supportive housing. Um, but it's not concerning enough to do anything about it because he said time and again, that he's supportive of the medium project. He wants to see a built um, whereas I think most people in the community See the medium project as a perfect example of what's wrong with our current approach, 719 01:46:20.760 --> 01:46:34.280 barrycassilly: We can't afford one point. Two million dollars for low-end three hundred square foot units. We all know most of the money is disappearing, and is not going to serve people. 720 01:46:34.290 --> 01:46:42.909 barrycassilly: We need a change, of course, but I was just very disturbed by all these contradictions. So that's what I have to say. Thank you. 721 01:46:43.190 --> 01:46:49.049 vicki halliday: Thank you, Barry. Uh Barry was the last person, Frank. So 722 01:46:50.190 --> 01:46:52.879 frank murphy: all right, so we'll close that uh 723 01:46:53.280 --> 01:46:54.800 frank murphy: the um 724 01:46:55.280 --> 01:46:58.790 frank murphy: public uh public comments on the uh 725 01:46:59.200 --> 01:47:00.790 frank murphy: round the table. 726 01:47:00.800 --> 01:47:04.710 vicki halliday: I'll be right back sure. 727 01:47:04.790 --> 01:47:17.800 frank murphy: We have one item for discussion of possible action motion that we submitted, and what i'll do is read the text of it, 728 01:47:18.520 --> 01:47:24.029 frank murphy: and and then we'll make a motion, and 729 01:47:24.250 --> 01:47:25.550 frank murphy: it's seven. 730 01:47:25.580 --> 01:47:28.869 frank murphy: So this is the 731 01:47:29.040 --> 01:47:33.749 frank murphy: accountability and transparency of government-funded service providers 732 01:47:34.110 --> 01:47:41.660 frank murphy: um, whereas there is a lack of trust existing between service providers and the public both housed and homes 733 01:47:41.780 --> 01:47:47.020 frank murphy: concerning, but not limited to substantial funding and lack of services, 734 01:47:47.220 --> 01:47:50.419 frank murphy: data and accounting need to be available 735 01:47:50.470 --> 01:47:57.609 frank murphy: for public scrutiny and adequately defended by providers on an ongoing basis, 736 01:48:00.580 --> 01:48:07.499 frank murphy: on an ongoing and regular basis, in order to re-establish trust and reinstitute collaboration with the public. 737 01:48:07.650 --> 01:48:13.169 frank murphy: The motions are driving the debate and will more than likely continue to do so. 738 01:48:13.290 --> 01:48:25.309 frank murphy: The public needs data, transparency, and accountability to inform their emotions for meeting, for meaningful collaboration to occur. Therefore, 739 01:48:26.700 --> 01:48:39.589 frank murphy: government funded service providers must provide percent and demand to the public on an ongoing and regular basis an accounting of all funds and services 740 01:48:39.600 --> 01:48:50.150 frank murphy: provided for homeless efforts with emphasis on the results for and benefits to the homeless and house community in Venice. 741 01:48:50.280 --> 01:48:56.019 frank murphy: In all cases it must be detailed, precise and transparent, 742 01:48:56.090 --> 01:49:04.689 frank murphy: with meaningful, timely responses to the public's concerns made available in an accessible and participatory 743 01:49:04.700 --> 01:49:05.670 frank murphy: marriage. 744 01:49:06.900 --> 01:49:08.719 frank murphy: So that's the 745 01:49:08.850 --> 01:49:13.519 frank murphy: essentially the the crux of the 746 01:49:13.620 --> 01:49:18.639 frank murphy: motion up here. And 747 01:49:19.280 --> 01:49:31.990 frank murphy: and so we need to. And so i'm making the motion to go ahead. And oh, I'm: sorry. 748 01:49:32.000 --> 01:49:32.929 Okay, 749 01:49:33.380 --> 01:49:34.599 Elizabeth Wright: I'll make it. 750 01:49:36.760 --> 01:49:39.610 vicki halliday: I'll second this second. 751 01:49:41.710 --> 01:49:43.740 frank murphy: All that you seconded. 752 01:49:44.000 --> 01:49:49.600 Elizabeth Wright: I think that's did, too. Devil's I made it, Vicky. I couldn't do it. 753 01:49:51.700 --> 01:49:55.609 frank murphy: Okay, So public comment. 754 01:49:56.780 --> 01:49:58.090 frank murphy: Um, 755 01:49:58.100 --> 01:50:03.630 vicki halliday: yeah, we've got a couple of hands up here. Uh, sean, go ahead. 756 01:50:04.240 --> 01:50:15.800 Sean Obrien: One of my favorite Ah! Motions I've heard from from this board, so I do support it. Thank you, Frank, and the rest of the board. I remember just a couple of months ago. 757 01:50:15.810 --> 01:50:25.189 Sean Obrien: There was something on the news about Lhasa employees throwing away food going on three-hour, driving, shopping. Mcdonald trips, 758 01:50:25.200 --> 01:50:38.990 Sean Obrien: and they weren't doing anything. No, and I don't even know those people got Ah fired so. Ah, ah! This is great. I had one more other example. I can't think of it now. I don't want to, 759 01:50:39.000 --> 01:50:46.720 Sean Obrien: but I hope you pass this motion. It'll probably just sit in Bonnet's desk. You have to Redo it after November. But thanks, guys. 760 01:50:53.000 --> 01:50:56.820 Nick Antonicello: Yeah, I mean it. This is the sixty-four, 761 01:50:57.350 --> 01:51:05.440 Nick Antonicello: fifty four thousand pound elephant in the world is the inability to be service providers to put anything under. They collect checks 762 01:51:12.840 --> 01:51:15.650 Nick Antonicello: uh, we need standards and practices. 763 01:51:34.160 --> 01:51:36.679 Nick Antonicello: So you may want to think about that as well. 764 01:51:38.970 --> 01:51:40.319 vicki halliday: Thank you, Nick. 765 01:51:40.550 --> 01:51:43.659 Nick Antonicello: Um Lisa, Go ahead, please. 766 01:51:47.260 --> 01:52:00.319 Lisa Redmond: I see the intention in this motion, but it is incredibly planned and not specific. Look, I have my issues with service providers. I think we have better auditing 767 01:52:00.330 --> 01:52:13.969 Lisa Redmond: and inspections of food service facilities than we do about human care providers. But here you're asking in this motion is basically to account for Government funding 768 01:52:13.980 --> 01:52:31.960 Lisa Redmond: and their services. And you know what they already do that because they are nonprofit, they have that out every year. So you're not showing any specificity of what exactly you want from them. What exactly that needs to be done, and you know, saying that it needs to be made available. Will. 769 01:52:32.860 --> 01:52:38.589 Lisa Redmond: You're not saying how much available, like updated every three months quarterly twice a year. 770 01:52:38.600 --> 01:52:50.069 Lisa Redmond: They're already doing it once a year, because, as I said, they're non-profit. They have to do that. So you need to. If you want to do a motion like this it's got to be tightened up. Otherwise It's going nowhere 771 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.089 Lisa Redmond: from an advisory point of view. 772 01:52:55.430 --> 01:52:57.169 vicki halliday: Thank you, Lisa. 773 01:52:57.550 --> 01:53:00.700 vicki halliday: Um, Margaret, go ahead, please. 774 01:53:00.870 --> 01:53:10.720 Margaret Molloy: If you're going to do a motion like this, I suggest you include Lapd in the accountability requirement. They just recently, or, you know, 775 01:53:10.730 --> 01:53:12.790 Margaret Molloy: in the last couple of months, 776 01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:36.060 Margaret Molloy: and dismissed one point, two million dollar tickets, you know a lot of those were quality of life tickets aimed at harassing unhappy people. So how cynical is that, and how much time and money and energy do we was, and i'd like an accounting of that. So please don't make this about service. Providers lapd is a Service provider in the same scope, 777 01:53:36.190 --> 01:53:42.840 Margaret Molloy: and we've already heard that La County jail is the largest mental institution in the State, 778 01:53:43.230 --> 01:53:47.149 Margaret Molloy: so I would like you if you're going to go down this road, 779 01:53:47.470 --> 01:53:51.250 Margaret Molloy: include accountability from those agencies, please. Thank you. 780 01:53:52.410 --> 01:53:56.420 vicki halliday: Thank you, Margaret. That was the end of public comment. Funny, 781 01:53:57.890 --> 01:53:59.300 frank murphy: okay, 782 01:53:59.690 --> 01:54:04.759 frank murphy: let's uh. This goes to committee comment on any discussion 783 01:54:07.380 --> 01:54:13.639 frank murphy: anybody have? Input, Can I jump in, sure? 784 01:54:13.790 --> 01:54:15.919 Pat Raphael: Uh: Yeah. So uh, 785 01:54:16.140 --> 01:54:35.330 Pat Raphael: it seems like this has been the thing that I've been hearing the most about from all sites concerned where the heck is the money, and what what happened to all the money, and I appreciate the intention of the motion because it kind of ties all these concerns together. 786 01:54:35.340 --> 01:54:52.999 Pat Raphael: The only thing that I wanted to point out Ah, we want to be the one somehow to define what success is right. If I think you leave it up to the service provider to say success means X. Then at that point 787 01:54:53.010 --> 01:55:08.309 Pat Raphael: they can massage any number to tell any story. If we don't have a real tight definition of what does, what does this money spent mean 788 01:55:08.320 --> 01:55:18.180 Pat Raphael: for this reason versus that reason? And What does this outcome or this result of the fine? So so? Is there any way to 789 01:55:18.280 --> 01:55:21.060 Pat Raphael: to have some sort of a 790 01:55:21.190 --> 01:55:29.669 Pat Raphael: that that goes into more detail with what we mean by certain metrics of success. 791 01:55:32.920 --> 01:55:34.290 frank murphy: Um, 792 01:55:35.370 --> 01:55:37.269 frank murphy: two hundred uh. 793 01:55:38.880 --> 01:55:41.730 vicki halliday: Can I respond to that, picky? Sure. 794 01:55:41.740 --> 01:55:50.050 frank murphy: Yeah, yeah. I was just Basically, putting this out there as a as something to think about as we're 795 01:55:50.200 --> 01:55:54.899 Pat Raphael: giving them everything to to report back to us with. 796 01:55:55.760 --> 01:55:57.170 frank murphy: Yeah, I 797 01:55:57.540 --> 01:56:00.610 frank murphy: I wasn't really approaching what the 798 01:56:00.870 --> 01:56:01.960 frank murphy: what 799 01:56:02.210 --> 01:56:07.219 frank murphy: I didn't intend to approach, what would be success or not successful, 800 01:56:07.450 --> 01:56:12.650 frank murphy: was just approaching accountability. So if 801 01:56:12.800 --> 01:56:16.619 frank murphy: Service Provider says, they provided 802 01:56:17.890 --> 01:56:19.960 frank murphy: spaces for 803 01:56:20.750 --> 01:56:33.229 frank murphy: thirty people or three hundred people. How do you account for that? And where's transparency on that? Where's the beds? Where's where they going? How many beds do you have. What's your, 804 01:56:33.670 --> 01:56:36.900 frank murphy: you know infrastructure? What are you doing? 805 01:56:38.050 --> 01:56:51.740 frank murphy: How much money was spent? How many people got the benefit of that money having been spent so, anyhow. So I wasn't really trying to define what was successful or not. It was just what are you doing? 806 01:56:54.920 --> 01:56:56.299 frank murphy: I'll call that. 807 01:56:59.310 --> 01:57:07.340 C Bailey: I like the motion. I think that this is. This is what I was trying to get out when I was questioning the candidate. 808 01:57:07.560 --> 01:57:11.749 C Bailey: The accountability. Where's the money going? How is it being spent. 809 01:57:12.070 --> 01:57:27.600 C Bailey: Who's getting what and where are the successes or failures? And and how do we account for that? So? Um! Sorry if I took too much time asking him that, but I didn't feel like I got an answer, so maybe we need more of these type of missions. Thank you. 810 01:57:33.180 --> 01:57:34.240 frank murphy: This 811 01:57:34.630 --> 01:57:40.200 Elizabeth Wright: I I think it's going nowhere unless you have a time, 812 01:57:40.750 --> 01:57:42.690 Elizabeth Wright: maybe quarterly. It would be 813 01:57:42.700 --> 01:57:48.650 Elizabeth Wright: a rational amount of time Daily was not weekly. Was not the 814 01:57:48.900 --> 01:57:50.949 Elizabeth Wright: monthly to Quarterly. 815 01:57:51.660 --> 01:57:56.189 Elizabeth Wright: You just have to have it otherwise. You've got your annual statement. 816 01:58:00.190 --> 01:58:01.590 frank murphy: Um! 817 01:58:04.730 --> 01:58:06.059 frank murphy: It's 818 01:58:06.550 --> 01:58:16.380 Brian U: most every non-profit contract. As for outcomes, they have to report to the agency. They contracted them 819 01:58:16.480 --> 01:58:35.989 Brian U: so like Joseph for Path has to report their outcomes to Lhasa Um and the and the big issue here, Frank, is. It's got to be a verifiable outcome. They have to do it every day. It's like when path checks people in, they don't get paid unless that person comes into the 820 01:58:36.000 --> 01:58:45.480 frank murphy: the bridge housing the Cadillac Hotel doesn't get paid unless they're in their bed that night, so they are building with accountability. 821 01:58:45.870 --> 01:58:51.300 Brian U: I think we just have to get it verified. I mean everybody talks about 822 01:58:51.490 --> 01:59:08.780 Brian U: the services that are provided. But when you don't have characteristic or an ability to request a person to participate in those services. Those nonprofits have to show that they are using those services when, in fact, a lot of them aren't. 823 01:59:08.790 --> 01:59:20.769 Brian U: And so the verification is the key to this question. And is there a third party verification group that can come in and actually audit? 824 01:59:20.800 --> 01:59:33.490 Brian U: Ah! With without that it's it's nothing because they provide answers to their loss of people, and Lhasa has to agree with those numbers, because then loss of we get from. If those numbers don't show up that way. So 825 01:59:33.500 --> 01:59:35.650 Brian U: it's all about verification. 826 01:59:40.350 --> 01:59:46.970 frank murphy: Okay, what a copy of that report Suffice, 827 01:59:48.080 --> 01:59:50.719 frank murphy: I think um was that 828 01:59:51.340 --> 01:59:55.729 frank murphy: which reporter are you talking about? Is the one that Brian mentioned the 829 01:59:56.830 --> 01:59:58.010 frank murphy: right. 830 01:59:58.540 --> 02:00:00.939 Brian U: Is there a copy of what report 831 02:00:00.950 --> 02:00:08.490 Elizabeth Wright: you said? Every non uh, every service provider, every service provider has a contract. 832 02:00:08.500 --> 02:00:23.390 frank murphy: Yeah, that has a list of services that they're required to provide and report on. If you have, you know, fifty people have to use this, or twenty people have to be invented, or whatever how many people got put into permits for it. 833 02:00:23.400 --> 02:00:25.369 Brian U: It's all part of their contract. 834 02:00:25.380 --> 02:00:29.799 Elizabeth Wright: Yes, I understand, and I know that the reports are not given annually. 835 02:00:30.760 --> 02:00:37.290 Elizabeth Wright: No, they're given monthly to the people that have to fund them because their funding comes monthly. It's not like they get all contract, 836 02:00:37.300 --> 02:00:40.090 Elizabeth Wright: then a copy of that report 837 02:00:40.310 --> 02:00:44.030 Elizabeth Wright: for each service provider. Would that suffice? 838 02:00:44.040 --> 02:00:53.880 Brian U: Yeah. Well, it's a start. But the problem is when you self-report, and write your own outcomes on the report. Is that truly the outcome, 839 02:00:54.510 --> 02:01:01.979 Pat Raphael: you know I mean I can tell you I house x amount of people at share. If I don't have a proven way to prove it. What good is it 840 02:01:01.990 --> 02:01:06.690 Pat Raphael: So everything is bound in self-reporting that's the issue. That's what i'm saying, 841 02:01:06.700 --> 02:01:15.660 Pat Raphael: And Ah! You know when you self-report, and they hear them self-report because they're not given they're handcuffed as to what they can ask people to do 842 02:01:16.460 --> 02:01:28.130 Brian U: all right. They can't go in and tell somebody to go into treatment if they don't want to, because you have housing person, you have harm reduction. You have. People don't want to go into shelters because they're dangerous. 843 02:01:28.140 --> 02:01:43.990 Brian U: You know how many people do. They kick out of bridge housing and put them back on Vicki's for a porch. Ah, how many times does that happen? I mean, there's so many different things, Frank, in this questionnaire, but it means nothing. I mean, they're going to give you the speech as to what it is that makes them look 844 02:01:44.000 --> 02:01:44.960 Brian U: good. 845 02:01:46.020 --> 02:01:48.709 It doesn't mean that it makes them right, 846 02:01:48.790 --> 02:02:05.789 Brian U: You know. They rode in the homeless count. Twenty thousand people were home. Were were received shelter. Well, that's if it was one hotel night it went into the twenty, but it makes it look like they house twenty thousand people. It didn't house twenty thousand people. 847 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:15.219 frank murphy: They had hotel room nights. That's not, you know. So how they spin it. I know, because we're in that business, and we, 848 02:02:15.610 --> 02:02:22.899 frank murphy: you know there's no there's no forced accountability with proven auditors, so to speak. 849 02:02:24.620 --> 02:02:34.380 frank murphy: I see I get where you're coming from. I get where Liz and Brian are coming from on that. And I think the 850 02:02:36.520 --> 02:02:42.659 frank murphy: I think the idea that's the reason why I said, you have to provide present, and 851 02:02:42.700 --> 02:02:59.020 frank murphy: because I want the public to be able to say, Well, no, that's not what we're seeing. What? Why are you saying this or that, and I like the third-party verification. That's a that's a really good idea, Can We 852 02:02:59.030 --> 02:03:03.260 frank murphy: amend this pretty simply to say that 853 02:03:07.340 --> 02:03:09.239 it's It's almost like you. 854 02:03:09.250 --> 02:03:13.740 Pat Raphael: Can we do it with unanimous consent? Everybody just agree to add 855 02:03:13.800 --> 02:03:16.390 Pat Raphael: that little component into it, I think. 856 02:03:16.400 --> 02:03:18.289 frank murphy: No, we have no way. 857 02:03:18.300 --> 02:03:23.409 frank murphy: Yeah, we'd have to go back to. We have to rewrite it and go back to uh public comment. 858 02:03:23.420 --> 02:03:25.769 Pat Raphael: There is a provision for 859 02:03:26.340 --> 02:03:35.879 Elizabeth Wright: just doing a quick, unanimous consent, and everybody consented to it, and then like. But but you think public comment 860 02:03:35.900 --> 02:03:38.559 frank murphy: can't get around public comment. Yeah, 861 02:03:39.330 --> 02:03:43.320 frank murphy: and we don't want to. Are we getting good. We're getting good comments. 862 02:03:43.330 --> 02:03:44.189 frank murphy: Um, 863 02:03:44.200 --> 02:03:48.570 Brian U: Frank, I don't want to say that that St. Joseph doesn't do the work. They say they do, 864 02:03:48.620 --> 02:03:53.490 frank murphy: but just taking their word for it or taking. 865 02:03:53.500 --> 02:04:04.340 frank murphy: If you're going to make one. If you're going to make one stipulation for one service provider, all of them have to meet that same threshold. And so I think 866 02:04:04.450 --> 02:04:09.800 frank murphy: if they're doing what they say they're doing, they have no problem with this, 867 02:04:09.810 --> 02:04:12.790 frank murphy: but they they have my assumption. Yeah, 868 02:04:12.800 --> 02:04:18.490 Brian U: they'll say like, Well, I can't tell you about that person, because it's it. But I can't go public and say anything about this person. 869 02:04:20.800 --> 02:04:26.239 frank murphy: Yeah, they can. They can defend themselves without outing the person that's being helped, 870 02:04:26.860 --> 02:04:39.389 frank murphy: you know. I mean, I think they I think they can. They can do that so 871 02:04:39.400 --> 02:04:42.690 Elizabeth Wright: that people are just pissed off in a 872 02:04:42.700 --> 02:04:48.009 Brian U: Whoever is going to get elected says, Look, this is got to be one of the changes, because 873 02:04:48.020 --> 02:04:54.280 frank murphy: yeah, But I mean if we get this in there and get the verbiage going, at least it's a start. 874 02:04:54.440 --> 02:05:10.489 Brian U: Yeah, and I and I would make one more comment you have to. You have to copy the Mayor and the entire City Council and the entire five supervisors. And ah! And if you want to copy the police Department chief. That's good, too, but 875 02:05:10.500 --> 02:05:12.089 Brian U: they're all part of it. 876 02:05:12.230 --> 02:05:18.390 frank murphy: Okay, this The city's not going to respond to services because they're not in charge of the contract. 877 02:05:18.400 --> 02:05:23.590 frank murphy: I got people on this coffee, and they have no authority over those people. 878 02:05:23.600 --> 02:05:34.889 vicki halliday: We're just We're just inviting that we think this needs to get done, anyway, so they can, you know. Take take our comments or not. That's what you know. 879 02:05:34.900 --> 02:05:35.880 frank murphy: Yeah, 880 02:05:36.010 --> 02:05:39.900 frank murphy: what I think, though we might uh um 881 02:05:40.450 --> 02:05:42.330 frank murphy: the he lives, 882 02:05:43.180 --> 02:05:47.629 frank murphy: uh maybe add in there some language that would 883 02:05:47.970 --> 02:05:50.129 frank murphy: make this more timely 884 02:05:50.180 --> 02:05:54.109 frank murphy: and also verifiable. Maybe I 885 02:05:54.650 --> 02:06:02.780 frank murphy: you know I mean i'd like the idea of a third-party auditor. But I don't know quite how you would do that, and maybe that's 886 02:06:03.010 --> 02:06:08.900 frank murphy: maybe if we say verifiable, then they can come up with how to do it, how to verify it, 887 02:06:09.730 --> 02:06:17.990 vicki halliday: You know, I don't want to be too specific. But I don't want to be too 888 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:28.249 vicki halliday: yeah on who we use the contracts. Basically We are saying we would like to see the numbers. We would like to see the results in a timely manner. 889 02:06:30.370 --> 02:06:32.540 frank murphy: I think we've already said that 890 02:06:33.850 --> 02:06:37.190 Brian U: the city doesn't give you these contracts out vacuum for services. 891 02:06:37.200 --> 02:06:41.770 vicki halliday: They make our recommendation to provide this service, and then Lhasa 892 02:06:42.520 --> 02:06:46.989 Brian U: hires who they want to hire for the project that that they're trying to solve. 893 02:06:47.000 --> 02:06:51.699 vicki halliday: Well, then, ask the city to require Request this of Lhasa. 894 02:06:54.140 --> 02:06:56.109 Brian U: That's really what it is. 895 02:06:57.280 --> 02:06:59.900 frank murphy: Well, 896 02:07:00.110 --> 02:07:06.990 frank murphy: So So what i'm hearing is, Do you think that we should change the language of this? Or 897 02:07:07.000 --> 02:07:08.010 Elizabeth Wright: Yes, 898 02:07:08.500 --> 02:07:22.999 vicki halliday: I do, too? But it this is one of those times where it's almost. It would be nice if you screen shared the agenda so everybody could be looking at. Well, let me see if I can. 899 02:07:23.220 --> 02:07:27.189 vicki halliday: Ah, let's see it. It'll just go faster. 900 02:07:27.200 --> 02:07:28.749 frank murphy: Yeah, Yeah, I heard you. 901 02:07:28.870 --> 02:07:31.219 frank murphy: Um Oops. 902 02:08:05.050 --> 02:08:11.750 Elizabeth Wright: Okay, There, there must also be some slight addition to make it. 903 02:08:14.830 --> 02:08:21.489 vicki halliday: It's going to be. The Dennis Neighborhood Council is making the request, not the committee 904 02:08:21.500 --> 02:08:22.599 frank murphy: there. It is 905 02:08:32.260 --> 02:08:37.780 frank murphy: so above the right below the Therefore you put Venice Neighborhood Council. 906 02:08:37.790 --> 02:08:39.089 Elizabeth Wright: Thank you 907 02:08:39.100 --> 02:08:44.580 frank murphy: that the motion would be that the committee request that the following 908 02:08:44.600 --> 02:08:47.280 Elizabeth Wright: be approved by the Vnc. Board: 909 02:08:48.300 --> 02:08:53.780 frank murphy: so therefore, the following be again: the committee is sending this to the board. 910 02:08:54.290 --> 02:08:55.389 frank murphy: Okay, I 911 02:08:55.400 --> 02:08:56.190 frank murphy: Okay. 912 02:08:56.200 --> 02:08:57.789 frank murphy: And then the actual 913 02:08:57.800 --> 02:09:05.560 Elizabeth Wright: going to the Board would be the Venice Neighborhood Council request that the city of Los Angeles enact the following, 914 02:09:05.740 --> 02:09:08.819 Elizabeth Wright: and then you have the Government Dharata. 915 02:09:09.130 --> 02:09:14.780 frank murphy: Okay. So the Bnc request that they blah blah, blah. Okay, 916 02:09:19.450 --> 02:09:23.250 Elizabeth Wright: that the city of Los Angeles and act the following: 917 02:09:24.840 --> 02:09:25.490 frank murphy: Yeah. 918 02:09:25.500 --> 02:09:26.590 Okay, 919 02:09:27.980 --> 02:09:31.609 frank murphy: All right. Um. Okay, 920 02:09:31.620 --> 02:09:35.389 frank murphy: Is that. Can you catch that quick? I've got that. 921 02:09:35.400 --> 02:09:36.400 frank murphy: Are you? 922 02:09:36.440 --> 02:09:37.800 frank murphy: Okay? 923 02:09:38.100 --> 02:09:39.349 Elizabeth Wright: And 924 02:09:39.750 --> 02:09:55.059 vicki halliday: to address the other present, and defend to the public on and on a verifiable quarterly accounting of all funds. 925 02:09:55.070 --> 02:09:59.980 frank murphy: Yeah. So instead of ongoing a regular basis, it's A 926 02:10:00.320 --> 02:10:05.620 frank murphy: in a quarterly basis and accounting for 927 02:10:07.040 --> 02:10:08.889 frank murphy: that, is it? 928 02:10:08.900 --> 02:10:09.710 Elizabeth Wright: Yes, 929 02:10:10.020 --> 02:10:11.230 frank murphy: okay, 930 02:10:12.480 --> 02:10:16.189 Brian U: Is it possible to make it? Cd: Eleven specific? 931 02:10:17.510 --> 02:10:23.989 Brian U: Hmm. Because all of a sudden all the numbers are going to come out that i'll get massaged. On. 932 02:10:24.000 --> 02:10:33.020 frank murphy: Yeah, that's a good question, because you want so any government-funded service providers performing contracts within Cd. Eleven 933 02:10:33.390 --> 02:10:38.110 Brian U: must provide present and verifiable whatever you want to call it, 934 02:10:38.550 --> 02:10:50.579 Brian U: because we're the Homeless Committee. Here we are trying to speak for Cd. Eleven also, and these contracts are in. We don't care what they're doing in Long Beach or wherever they are. 935 02:10:50.860 --> 02:10:53.490 vicki halliday: Yeah, I think Brian's correct on that, Frank. That's An 936 02:10:53.500 --> 02:10:59.110 frank murphy: yeah, I think I think actually, how specific could they be 937 02:10:59.470 --> 02:11:07.590 vicki halliday: just to see the eleven contracts? If you service provider contract within the Cd eleven 938 02:11:08.130 --> 02:11:13.340 Brian U: geography, you have to provide these verifiable blah blah, blah blah! 939 02:11:13.350 --> 02:11:19.389 frank murphy: So how do you break that down? Well, I guess you can break it down to that specific by just doing it. 940 02:11:19.400 --> 02:11:22.349 vicki halliday: Yeah, it can be been a specific, because 941 02:11:22.380 --> 02:11:26.090 vicki halliday: these these contracts are for Cd eleven area. 942 02:11:26.100 --> 02:11:37.069 vicki halliday: Okay? Oh, they are. I didn't know that. I thought it was with the city. Okay, or in Spa five, or whatever you want to call it, that they collected the information and report on. 943 02:11:39.420 --> 02:11:45.759 vicki halliday: I would just say Cd. Eleven slash spot five, and that should cover it. 944 02:11:46.640 --> 02:11:50.400 frank murphy: How about um? 945 02:11:50.410 --> 02:11:51.500 frank murphy: Excuse me. 946 02:11:51.690 --> 02:11:56.649 Elizabeth Wright: That would be right in for it in front of homeless efforts. 947 02:11:57.530 --> 02:11:59.339 frank murphy: There's nothing to it, 948 02:12:00.540 --> 02:12:06.260 frank murphy: put in the first Psalms that I was thinking that it would be 949 02:12:06.540 --> 02:12:15.079 frank murphy: up at the top, where you say the Bnc. Requests that la enact. Okay, blah blah blah that language. 950 02:12:15.240 --> 02:12:16.530 frank murphy: Ah, 951 02:12:16.890 --> 02:12:24.289 frank murphy: uh, well, I would use the I would say parsed by Council district, 952 02:12:25.010 --> 02:12:28.920 frank murphy: because you can include every other Council district, too. 953 02:12:28.940 --> 02:12:30.550 vicki halliday: Go ahead. 954 02:12:32.140 --> 02:12:36.100 vicki halliday: Sorry. I mean, I guess that's fine. I mean 955 02:12:36.470 --> 02:12:40.880 vicki halliday: It's a simple add in that first we care about Cd: eleven. 956 02:12:40.930 --> 02:12:45.990 vicki halliday: Right? Yeah, you're trying to write policy for that. Okay, All right, All right. Okay, I got you 957 02:12:46.000 --> 02:12:59.889 frank murphy: so. But adding a lot of work to the service providers, and the service providers are going to feel like this is going to be a bunch of new work that they have to do in having this mid-information in a different reporting format than they previously. We're using 958 02:12:59.900 --> 02:13:00.389 vicki halliday: It's a 959 02:13:00.400 --> 02:13:08.239 vicki halliday: No, I think that was the point of Brian's Um That was Brian's point because they're already doing it. So 960 02:13:08.380 --> 02:13:21.560 vicki halliday: why wouldn't they just share it with us? We just want to see it. 961 02:13:22.230 --> 02:13:22.990 Brian U: It's just 962 02:13:23.000 --> 02:13:27.390 frank murphy: within Cd. Eleven under after provider. 963 02:13:29.250 --> 02:13:38.339 frank murphy: Okay, So right after service providers within Cdl. Of Service providers within Cdo. 964 02:13:38.930 --> 02:13:41.049 Brian U: That's the easiest place to put it. 965 02:13:43.600 --> 02:13:44.849 frank murphy: Okay, 966 02:13:45.400 --> 02:13:49.560 frank murphy: Then the verifiable 967 02:13:50.330 --> 02:13:54.580 Elizabeth Wright: take take the word to fend and just put in verifiable. 968 02:13:58.810 --> 02:14:02.249 frank murphy: Well, the failure in the terrifying 969 02:14:02.320 --> 02:14:07.090 frank murphy: Yeah, I would say, defend and verify. So present, defend, and verify the 970 02:14:07.100 --> 02:14:09.130 frank murphy: okay is that it. 971 02:14:09.140 --> 02:14:12.339 frank murphy: It sounds good. Uh Liz, 972 02:14:13.200 --> 02:14:15.700 Elizabeth Wright: present, defend and verify. 973 02:14:15.710 --> 02:14:16.559 frank murphy: Yeah, 974 02:14:18.880 --> 02:14:20.969 Brian U: on a quarterly basis, 975 02:14:22.210 --> 02:14:27.409 frank murphy: on a quarterly basis and accounting blah blah, blah. Okay, 976 02:14:27.870 --> 02:14:32.200 frank murphy: is that? Uh, Does that sound like a decent rewrite? 977 02:14:35.270 --> 02:14:40.940 frank murphy: Okay, let's uh. Should I read that again? 978 02:14:44.770 --> 02:14:48.799 frank murphy: Let's see. The Vnc. Requests that. 979 02:14:49.230 --> 02:14:57.959 frank murphy: How are you wording that first sentence as I did an abbreviated one. I said, the Vnc. Requests that la enact. 980 02:14:59.790 --> 02:15:02.759 Elizabeth Wright: I just have the City of Los Angeles and act. 981 02:15:03.400 --> 02:15:04.679 frank murphy: Okay, 982 02:15:06.210 --> 02:15:08.590 Elizabeth Wright: Okay, Can I read what I wrote. 983 02:15:08.600 --> 02:15:12.080 frank murphy: Sure, that's what? Yeah, that's when it Yeah. Okay, 984 02:15:12.160 --> 02:15:24.009 Elizabeth Wright: government-funded, Cd: eleven service providers service providers must provide, present, defend, and verify on a quarterly basis, 985 02:15:25.570 --> 02:15:35.529 Elizabeth Wright: accounting of all funds and services provided for homeless efforts with emphasis on the results for and benefits to, 986 02:15:35.670 --> 02:15:39.649 Elizabeth Wright: the homeless and housed community. In Venice. 987 02:15:41.430 --> 02:15:46.759 Elizabeth Wright: All cases it must be detailed, precise and transparent, 988 02:15:46.960 --> 02:15:56.789 Elizabeth Wright: with meaningful, timely responses to the public's concerns made available in an accessible and participatory manner. 989 02:15:57.860 --> 02:16:05.689 frank murphy: Okay, I think you if I heard you correctly. You left out within Cd. Eleven after providers 990 02:16:05.710 --> 02:16:08.389 frank murphy: am I in? I had it in front. 991 02:16:08.400 --> 02:16:12.370 Elizabeth Wright: Government funded Cd. Eleven Service providers. 992 02:16:13.670 --> 02:16:15.659 frank murphy: Oh, I see what you're saying. 993 02:16:15.750 --> 02:16:16.690 frank murphy: One: 994 02:16:16.700 --> 02:16:17.690 frank murphy: Oh, I see. Okay, 995 02:16:17.700 --> 02:16:19.250 Yeah, that's That's okay. 996 02:16:19.340 --> 02:16:26.590 frank murphy: You said. Everybody are in the court on that Vicki. Do we have to include supervisors by five. 997 02:16:26.780 --> 02:16:32.699 vicki halliday: I think we're only allowed to send this to the city, and then they deal with it. And 998 02:16:32.860 --> 02:16:33.930 Brian U: okay, 999 02:16:36.780 --> 02:16:40.690 frank murphy: okay, let's go to public comment. 1000 02:16:40.700 --> 02:16:45.289 Elizabeth Wright: And can you add, Can you add all the C of everybody? 1001 02:16:45.299 --> 02:16:50.480 frank murphy: What's up? I would Cc. Everybody, not just those four people 1002 02:16:54.559 --> 02:16:58.380 frank murphy: you mean on the Homelessness and Poverty Committee. 1003 02:16:58.400 --> 02:17:01.779 Brian U: Well, that's It's It's It's It's not that big a deal whatever. 1004 02:17:03.219 --> 02:17:07.469 frank murphy: Okay? So now we can go to public hearing. Our public comment: 1005 02:17:08.709 --> 02:17:11.379 Elizabeth Wright: Yeah, it is on on the amended 1006 02:17:12.080 --> 02:17:14.149 Elizabeth Wright: a motion only 1007 02:17:14.160 --> 02:17:15.050 Brian U: all right. 1008 02:17:16.290 --> 02:17:19.029 Elizabeth Wright: This is on the amendment. 1009 02:17:19.040 --> 02:17:21.190 frank murphy: Yeah, this is on the amendment. 1010 02:17:21.200 --> 02:17:22.049 Elizabeth Wright: Yes, 1011 02:17:25.690 --> 02:17:31.220 vicki halliday: public comment. Sorry, Shawn. O'brien, go ahead. 1012 02:17:33.170 --> 02:17:53.019 vicki halliday: Yeah, I supported Thanks, guys. I What I was trying to say earlier that I forgot. Is it's now coming into September and the homeless count head count, for Lhasa still has not been made public, so this will go a long way in addressing that. Thank you. 1013 02:17:54.809 --> 02:17:56.119 Lisa Redmond: Um! 1014 02:17:56.510 --> 02:18:01.559 Lisa Redmond: I missed the whole parliamentary procedure where you, you know, made a motion to amend. 1015 02:18:01.570 --> 02:18:03.909 Lisa Redmond: Second it next. 1016 02:18:04.040 --> 02:18:23.579 Lisa Redmond: I can't really comment on the motion because you did not type it and present it on the screen for all to see um. You read it into record, I guess, but I I really people were even changing it as it was being read into record and making comments. So it should be typed up for all to see and comment on. 1017 02:18:24.150 --> 02:18:27.189 Ansar Muhammad: Welcome to Heaven! 1018 02:18:27.200 --> 02:18:30.590 frank murphy: Thank you, Lisa. 1019 02:18:34.299 --> 02:18:41.200 vicki halliday: Somebody's got to turn their uh I'll I'll just go ahead, Frank. It all Dad needs to snoop. 1020 02:18:41.860 --> 02:18:45.580 vicki halliday: I just i'm just muting people as I can. 1021 02:18:46.410 --> 02:18:47.719 frank murphy: Okay, 1022 02:18:47.790 --> 02:18:52.470 frank murphy: all right. So now we go back to 1023 02:18:52.650 --> 02:18:56.640 frank murphy: back to committee comments any further comments. 1024 02:19:00.250 --> 02:19:02.830 vicki halliday: We have. No, we're fine. 1025 02:19:03.120 --> 02:19:06.949 frank murphy: Okay, let's uh, let's go to a boat. Then 1026 02:19:07.049 --> 02:19:10.660 frank murphy: let me make sure I can. 1027 02:19:11.240 --> 02:19:14.349 frank murphy: So let's go to a vote. Um 1028 02:19:16.540 --> 02:19:17.869 frank murphy: Brian. 1029 02:19:18.260 --> 02:19:19.340 Brian U: Yes, 1030 02:19:20.180 --> 02:19:21.449 frank murphy: cool that. 1031 02:19:23.180 --> 02:19:24.330 C Bailey: Yes, 1032 02:19:27.480 --> 02:19:29.049 C Bailey: yes, 1033 02:19:29.860 --> 02:19:31.150 frank murphy: please. 1034 02:19:31.350 --> 02:19:32.699 Elizabeth Wright: Yes, 1035 02:19:33.820 --> 02:19:35.839 vicki halliday: Vicky. Yes, 1036 02:19:37.250 --> 02:19:38.639 frank murphy: Stan 1037 02:19:42.330 --> 02:19:43.610 frank murphy: stan 1038 02:19:44.910 --> 02:19:46.389 Brian U: you're muted, Sam, 1039 02:19:46.400 --> 02:19:52.740 Ansar Muhammad: I uh, i'm going to abstain. If there is a vote that needs to take place, because I've been in and out on this long, 1040 02:19:53.540 --> 02:19:55.010 frank murphy: it's okay. 1041 02:19:55.020 --> 02:19:57.889 Ansar Muhammad: Alright. Thank you, Jodie. 1042 02:19:57.910 --> 02:19:59.160 Jody Mortimer (HE, HIM, HIS): Yes, 1043 02:20:01.460 --> 02:20:03.180 frank murphy: and Frank. Yes. 1044 02:20:04.250 --> 02:20:09.010 frank murphy: So that's uh seven. Yeses one app steam. 1045 02:20:09.400 --> 02:20:10.829 Elizabeth Wright: What about Pat? 1046 02:20:12.000 --> 02:20:13.650 frank murphy: That voted? Yes, 1047 02:20:14.270 --> 02:20:16.080 Elizabeth Wright: okay. I missed it 1048 02:20:17.420 --> 02:20:19.359 Elizabeth Wright: and stand up state. 1049 02:20:19.970 --> 02:20:21.119 frank murphy: Excuse me, 1050 02:20:21.690 --> 02:20:23.710 Elizabeth Wright: stand abstained. 1051 02:20:23.870 --> 02:20:25.839 frank murphy: Stand up, Sink. Yes, 1052 02:20:28.140 --> 02:20:29.480 Elizabeth Wright: okay. 1053 02:20:29.490 --> 02:20:34.940 frank murphy: And I think we did miss making a motion and seconding the amendments. 1054 02:20:36.550 --> 02:20:39.460 frank murphy: All right. Anything to make life 1055 02:20:39.470 --> 02:20:41.889 Elizabeth Wright: really, really complex. 1056 02:20:43.600 --> 02:20:48.629 vicki halliday: You have to take that second vote, 1057 02:20:49.960 --> 02:20:51.409 vicki halliday: right? Liz: 1058 02:20:51.940 --> 02:20:56.300 vicki halliday: Yeah. Okay. So 1059 02:20:56.530 --> 02:21:04.379 vicki halliday: let's see. How do we do that? Then? All right. So we take a vote on the amendment. Yes, 1060 02:21:04.840 --> 02:21:06.190 Elizabeth Wright: no. Wait. 1061 02:21:06.200 --> 02:21:09.789 Now we have to vote on the entire motion as amended. 1062 02:21:10.050 --> 02:21:11.390 frank murphy: All right. 1063 02:21:11.400 --> 02:21:12.090 Okay. 1064 02:21:12.100 --> 02:21:20.470 frank murphy: Gotcha. All right. So Okay, Okay. So that's all right. So Brian 1065 02:21:22.520 --> 02:21:24.799 frank murphy: uh Colette. 1066 02:21:24.810 --> 02:21:26.010 C Bailey: Yes, 1067 02:21:26.330 --> 02:21:27.640 frank murphy: that you? 1068 02:21:27.700 --> 02:21:28.990 Pat Raphael: Yes, 1069 02:21:29.620 --> 02:21:31.750 Elizabeth Wright: yes, 1070 02:21:32.160 --> 02:21:34.050 vicki halliday: Ricky. Yes, 1071 02:21:34.780 --> 02:21:36.289 frank murphy: Stan. 1072 02:21:36.470 --> 02:21:38.000 Ansar Muhammad: That's day. 1073 02:21:38.350 --> 02:21:40.850 frank murphy: Jody. Yes, 1074 02:21:41.340 --> 02:21:44.010 frank murphy: Frank. Yes. Okay. Got it 1075 02:21:49.220 --> 02:22:01.219 frank murphy: all right. Now we have public comment on non-agenda items related to Homelessness Committee. Only do we have anybody 1076 02:22:01.290 --> 02:22:02.940 frank murphy: um 1077 02:22:03.410 --> 02:22:13.590 vicki halliday: with their hand up for public comment on non agenda items. Give it a second. 1078 02:22:13.600 --> 02:22:16.689 vicki halliday: Um, I don't see any, Frank. 1079 02:22:16.790 --> 02:22:24.409 frank murphy: Okay, With that we are adjourned. Thank you very much. Guys 1080 02:22:24.590 --> 02:22:29.230 vicki halliday: hold on a lady. Just put her hand up. Hold on! Oh, Karim 1081 02:22:30.400 --> 02:22:32.019 vicki halliday: Karen, go ahead. 1082 02:22:32.420 --> 02:22:51.559 Corinne: Yes, good evening, everyone. My name is Corinne. I um. I work for Lhasa. I do not represent your area, which is Sp Five. I do represent Sp. Two, which is the San Fernando Valley. But I happen to listen in tonight for the for the candidate Forum and um 1083 02:22:51.570 --> 02:23:09.649 Corinne: I did last time as well, but I just heard you someone mentioned that. Um. The numbers are not out yet, but I want to let you know that the numbers are going to be out very soon. I want to say maybe in two weeks. I I don't want to say exactly the date, but it's early September. 1084 02:23:09.660 --> 02:23:21.590 C Bailey: They are going to be out, and everyone will hear about it, and we're already planning the two thousand and twenty, three, one, that's all I wanted to let you know. Thank you. 1085 02:23:21.650 --> 02:23:23.290 vicki halliday: Thank you very soon. 1086 02:23:25.230 --> 02:23:30.969 frank murphy: All right. With that. It looks like we can close comments and 1087 02:23:31.160 --> 02:23:40.459 frank murphy: and committee committee comments on items not on the agenda. Anybody have anything they want to touch base on. 1088 02:23:41.350 --> 02:24:01.240 Elizabeth Wright: Ah, I did wanted to to mention that I have recently been aware of several kids who have died of overdoses. This has been something that has been piling up, and I've been ah feeling the effects and the reaches of this. 1089 02:24:01.250 --> 02:24:15.190 Pat Raphael: Every time these things come to my attention I want to bring it to the attention of the committee to kind of refocus or effort, and get us really looking at how important this conversation is. 1090 02:24:21.220 --> 02:24:25.200 vicki halliday: It's an important conversation, but 1091 02:24:25.870 --> 02:24:29.379 vicki halliday: I mean somebody needs to start with some ideas 1092 02:24:29.460 --> 02:24:33.210 vicki halliday: mean. We can certainly discuss the 1093 02:24:33.350 --> 02:24:36.640 vicki halliday: safe injection sites, and if that will help, 1094 02:24:47.070 --> 02:24:51.570 vicki halliday: I think there are all sorts of things which is just a matter of 1095 02:24:52.120 --> 02:24:56.879 vicki halliday: doing some bullet points for all the talking points. Don't you think, Pat? 1096 02:25:00.620 --> 02:25:19.389 Pat Raphael: I just think sometimes the conversation is very ah academic and far removed, and then every now and then I bump into people who are dealing with deaths among their circle of friends. Because there's you know, a bunch of painted drugs out, and and 1097 02:25:19.400 --> 02:25:39.109 Pat Raphael: there's there's more people suffering than perhaps we are. We are in contact with, and I can't avoid the contact, because ah! There's more people within my circle of interactions that include these folks, and it's it's It's hard to not have compassion. Again, 1098 02:25:40.820 --> 02:25:42.490 frank murphy: I think it's going on. 1099 02:25:42.500 --> 02:25:45.789 Brian U: I think we don't even know about most of it, Pat, 1100 02:25:45.800 --> 02:26:05.499 Brian U: which is a which is a problem. For For example, like you know, someone said that there's been three or four overdoses in the ramada hand, where people have died. Problem is, they don't die at the ramada, and they don't pronounce them until they get to the hospital. And So thus it's not counted as a death that occurred in that building or 1101 02:26:05.530 --> 02:26:08.889 Brian U: that I mean, that's just what I've heard, and um 1102 02:26:08.900 --> 02:26:20.800 Brian U: whether it's the Cadillac, whether it's the new rose apartments, whether it's bridge housing, whether it's anything that's happening on the streets of Venice. If a person gets picked up for an overdose on the boardwalk, 1103 02:26:20.890 --> 02:26:25.830 Brian U: but doesn't die till he's in the hospital. They don't report it as a death in 1104 02:26:27.240 --> 02:26:33.539 Brian U: an overdose in on the boardwalk. They I don't believe they do, because they don't want those numbers to come out the 1105 02:26:33.870 --> 02:26:40.039 frank murphy: Brian and Pat and stan, if you ever 1106 02:26:46.830 --> 02:26:54.279 frank murphy: you know. I mean, I think, that we should be doing that on an ongoing basis on the committee, as we should announce 1107 02:26:55.050 --> 02:26:59.350 frank murphy: how many people, and if we can get it who 1108 02:27:00.000 --> 02:27:17.570 frank murphy: passed away, you know, within our within our area, on a regular basis. And I I think that needs to be done just to humanize this stuff, you know. I mean. Is there a way that we can do that? Is there A, 1109 02:27:17.610 --> 02:27:24.469 frank murphy: you know? Will the police disclose a record, or will they have to, or I don't know. 1110 02:27:24.490 --> 02:27:31.249 Elizabeth Wright: I suggest that for our next meeting one of the agenda items should be the 1111 02:27:32.330 --> 02:27:43.720 Elizabeth Wright: after somebody finds out how we can get the information to have a portion of our website dedicated to. These are the fatalities. 1112 02:27:44.520 --> 02:27:53.370 Pat Raphael: Yeah. And Brian is talking about accounting tricks that we have to be aware of and be mindful of. So so it's It's all 1113 02:27:53.690 --> 02:27:55.590 Pat Raphael: substitute in some ways 1114 02:27:55.600 --> 02:28:11.030 vicki halliday: it's, of course. Yeah, it's a lot of re. It's research in different places. Exactly. The police. P. I. A public information office is not going to have all of this. Even if you go to the County Examiner's website, 1115 02:28:11.520 --> 02:28:16.769 vicki halliday: it will show an overdose, but it won't say where 1116 02:28:17.390 --> 02:28:18.600 vicki halliday: this happened 1117 02:28:19.410 --> 02:28:33.619 vicki halliday: understood, and you know there it's really difficult to find this about, so somebody would have to take it upon themselves to do this, because there's no, 1118 02:28:34.210 --> 02:28:42.079 vicki halliday: you know once a month that you could spend a whole day trying to track some of this stuff down and not get anywhere. 1119 02:28:42.380 --> 02:28:47.479 Elizabeth Wright: Well, I think, between now and then we can do the research. 1120 02:28:47.560 --> 02:28:51.919 vicki halliday: Um. If it turns out it's not feasible, then it's not feasible. 1121 02:28:51.970 --> 02:28:59.210 Elizabeth Wright: If it turns out, all the only information we have are the people who passed on site. 1122 02:28:59.610 --> 02:29:03.160 Elizabeth Wright: At least we would have the people who passed on site, 1123 02:29:03.430 --> 02:29:10.730 Brian U: who's friends with the fire department because I've watched the paramedics pick up a guy in front of the liquor store and horizon. In second, 1124 02:29:10.740 --> 02:29:34.200 vicki halliday: he's obviously dead. They haven't they have him with a thing over his face, pushing the thing, trying to press on him, and then they leave him, and then they pretend they're doing it again that guy's already dead, but they don't pronounce him dead until he gets to the hospital right. And so you there's no account, and so. I think that's something that's been told to the fireman and the paramedics, 1125 02:29:34.520 --> 02:29:35.590 Brian U: you know. 1126 02:29:35.730 --> 02:29:40.980 Brian U: Don't pronounce dead right there at the scene, and I don't think they're even allowed to do it. 1127 02:29:41.780 --> 02:29:49.490 Brian U: So they go to. They go to the hospital, and then they pronounce it so. There's no record that that guy died right there in the cur in front of the liquor store 1128 02:29:49.500 --> 02:29:52.010 Brian U: at at Horizon, in at Maine. 1129 02:29:53.740 --> 02:29:55.740 Elizabeth Wright: That's their policy 1130 02:29:55.750 --> 02:30:01.560 Pat Raphael: all right. Well, that this incentivized me. Everything I've heard since bringing this up incentivize me 1131 02:30:01.570 --> 02:30:17.790 vicki halliday: to not promise much, but dedicated at least five hours between now and next month to swim through this bureaucracy and figure out if there is any direct place to get some real information, so we can report on the website as was suggested. 1132 02:30:23.200 --> 02:30:25.830 vicki halliday: You get lucky. 1133 02:30:25.930 --> 02:30:29.530 frank murphy: Let's do that as a start. 1134 02:30:31.440 --> 02:30:33.810 Elizabeth Wright: But it's a great idea, too. 1135 02:30:34.290 --> 02:30:39.459 Elizabeth Wright: Publicize the humanity portion of all this stuff. 1136 02:30:39.750 --> 02:30:52.839 C Bailey: Are we going to promise the Ah! The people who have been victims of crime. People have been killed, people have been assaulted, people have been robbed. I mean it. We can go on with this if we're going to do it. 1137 02:30:53.230 --> 02:31:01.889 frank murphy: Well, I think that's a I think that needs to be. I think that was one of the one of the one of the issues that we 1138 02:31:01.900 --> 02:31:14.759 frank murphy: we're going to address. We want to try to get the police to come in and comment on their what's going on, and how many assaults, how many 1139 02:31:15.200 --> 02:31:23.049 frank murphy: you know, robberies, etc. Etc. And i'd like to do that on an ongoing basis. But I think the 1140 02:31:23.830 --> 02:31:31.890 vicki halliday: Safety Committee. It does something along that there is no longer a safety Committee, but Lapd gives a monthly report at the Board meeting. 1141 02:31:31.900 --> 02:31:37.919 vicki halliday: That's right. That information is there all that information is given to the board, 1142 02:31:38.900 --> 02:31:43.390 vicki halliday: and we could reiterate that information at our meetings, too. 1143 02:31:43.400 --> 02:31:46.720 vicki halliday: Yeah, it's in the minutes, and um, 1144 02:31:47.060 --> 02:31:53.130 vicki halliday: you know, Brian and I both also get it. It's the same that's presented to cpad every month. 1145 02:31:53.850 --> 02:31:58.299 vicki halliday: Yeah, which is the night after the board meeting every month. So 1146 02:31:58.490 --> 02:32:07.180 frank murphy: I think that's ah, that's you know, as that's relevant in the same way. The other is relevant. We need to look at both sides of this. 1147 02:32:08.430 --> 02:32:15.489 Brian U: Well, I think I think it's the unknown names or the unknown desks that are happening that we're not paying attention to. 1148 02:32:15.500 --> 02:32:15.990 vicki halliday: Yeah, 1149 02:32:16.000 --> 02:32:29.090 frank murphy: yeah, there's some guys in the bridge housing. Everybody kind of knows that they can't really hide it. So everybody goes. Oh, this guy died, and eventually from a police officer will tell somebody how that person overdose to die, and that one goes public, 1150 02:32:29.100 --> 02:32:39.589 Brian U: but all the other ones where they just pick you up in the ambulance and pretend they're doing their thing. They don't pronounce them till they're at the hospital, so they don't say they died at the 1151 02:32:39.600 --> 02:32:40.289 Brian U: hotel. 1152 02:32:40.300 --> 02:32:43.720 vicki halliday: Yeah, it's like the guy this morning at Westminster in May. 1153 02:32:43.860 --> 02:32:53.639 vicki halliday: You know. I hear he's alive. But you know, is anybody really sure? Because once they're gone in the ambulance, it's really hard to get information, 1154 02:32:53.860 --> 02:32:57.820 Brian U: and I just don't think the paramedics pronounce people that on scene. 1155 02:32:58.470 --> 02:33:02.100 Brian U: Yes, 1156 02:33:03.300 --> 02:33:04.740 frank murphy: okay. 1157 02:33:06.210 --> 02:33:07.789 frank murphy: Um, 1158 02:33:09.420 --> 02:33:10.520 frank murphy: yeah, 1159 02:33:12.090 --> 02:33:13.839 frank murphy: All right, folks. 1160 02:33:13.890 --> 02:33:15.369 frank murphy: Um, 1161 02:33:16.770 --> 02:33:21.450 vicki halliday: with that let's adjourn. Is there a public 1162 02:33:29.760 --> 02:33:31.939 frank murphy: who's asking some. 1163 02:33:32.020 --> 02:33:34.189 Brian U: No, I said, Have a good night, everybody. 1164 02:33:34.200 --> 02:33:36.709 vicki halliday: Thank you, Stan. 1165 02:33:40.300 --> 02:33:41.480 vicki halliday: Okay, 1166 02:33:41.560 --> 02:33:43.410 vicki halliday: we are adjourned. 1167 02:33:43.910 --> 02:33:49.630 vicki halliday: We are adjourned. Thank you all so much. Thank you.