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jim murez: Larry, are you part of the committee

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jim murez: to kill?

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Michael Jensen: Hey? Jim Is Larry part of the committee?

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No, he's a he's got something on calendar, though.

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jim murez: All right. I'm gonna demote him.

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jim murez: The names were jumping around,

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jim murez: so

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jim murez: I will make you

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jim murez: wait. I need to do something else first.

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jim murez: Make sure you're able to share screens.

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jim murez: I'll make you the host.

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jim murez: How's that sound?

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Michael Jensen: That's That's right.

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jim murez: So you're now the host and i'll just be a panelist.

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jim murez: Sitting in the background.

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jim murez: So you have to

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jim murez: deal with attendees, I guess, as they arrive.

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jim murez: And i'm going to mute.

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jim murez: Oh, by the way, did you get my text about the chairs.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, shoot! Sorry I did. I just forgot to to uh

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Michael Jensen: something like that.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, Um, yeah, I will. Um, no rush.

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Michael Jensen: I will get to it. Is it already the weekend, this weekend?

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jim murez: Yeah, it's pretty much the weekend already.

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jim murez: Okay,

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Michael Jensen: everyone in the audience. We're just waiting for a quorum, and then I can start the meeting. I see Karen

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Michael Jensen: Hey, there! Hello,

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corinne Baginski: hi!

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Michael Jensen: Stick around.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So Matt and Andrew told me that they could not make it.

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Michael Jensen: Um! Who else are we

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Michael Jensen: shafts?

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lauren siegel: What's she say

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Michael Jensen: you

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Michael Jensen: up There's my niche

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Michael Jensen: most,

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Michael Jensen: and Chris

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Michael Jensen: and

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Michael Jensen: I believe

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Michael Jensen: let's see that's five of us. We have a quorum.

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Michael Jensen: Um, Okay, just let me.

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Michael Jensen: What's the agenda? Sorry I was looking for contacts to text people.

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Michael Jensen: Hey? Chris

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Michael Jensen: Hybrid nurse,

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Michael Jensen: Hi, All right. I'm going to call the meeting to order. Let me just pull the agenda together here

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Michael Jensen: and put it up on the screen.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Can everybody see the agenda. Now,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Mhm.

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Michael Jensen: All right. Seven hundred and three P. M. Going to call the meeting to order and do a roll call.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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corinne Baginski: Okay,

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Michael Jensen: All for

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corinne Baginski: Okay, Corinne. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: very. Let me. Can someone keep an eye on the participants, and just let me know if you spot any.

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Michael Jensen: All right. Thanks. Barry's not here.

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Michael Jensen: Ah, Andrew is not here, Lauren.

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lauren siegel: Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Matthew Royce is not here.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Christopher,

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Christopher McLean: Yes,

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Michael Jensen: welcome, Christopher to your first Lupc meeting, sitting on this side of the bench.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you. I'm here, and I don't see Jeff.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, um.

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Michael Jensen: Next, we have approval of the minutes from July the twenty eighth Can I get a motion and a second, please.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: I have a question.

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Michael Jensen: Come in.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Any objection.

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Michael Jensen: I once going twice. Okay, I'm going to one, two, three, four, five.

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Michael Jensen: Ah, okay, let me uh promote them.

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corinne Baginski: We're here

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Michael Jensen: very

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there. You're going to have to accept the imitation to join as a panelist.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Barry, you here.

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barrycassilly: I'm here, but I have to mute. It's crazy loud over here right now.

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Michael Jensen: Okay? Well, I just wanted to record your You're here.

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barrycassilly: Declaration of conflicts of interest

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Michael Jensen: um or X parts of communication.

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lauren siegel: So this is Lauren, and I just wanted to let everybody know that I have a part of the Venice paddle tennis community, and I have had conversations with.

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Excuse me, Larry Nagler, who's going to be presenting this afternoon.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, yeah. I Also, I've had a couple of conversations with Larry regarding what he's going to present tonight,

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Michael Jensen: Anyone else?

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corinne Baginski: And I spoke to Christopher regarding his project.

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Christopher McLean: Yeah, I have a project on the docket today.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Chris, you'll have to recuse yourself for that.

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lauren siegel: Yeah, I have uh an employee that's gonna uh present that, or just be on the call for that point.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Moving right along. Six general public comment for items, not on the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: Please let me your your comments to one minute.

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Michael Jensen: Raise your hand. If you have a comment and I will leave it open for about the

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Michael Jensen: fifteen more seconds. I'm seeing only one hand so far.

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Michael Jensen: Erica Moore.

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Erica Moore: Hey, there! I hope you guys can hear me. I'm outside right now. It's kind of loud. Um,

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Erica Moore: hey? I uh we're welcome, Chris

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Erica Moore: and um. I just wanted to to to say that just kind of give you a little update. Um,

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Erica Moore: that that project that's been going on for like four years near my business on the corner of

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Erica Moore: I think it's like Lola and Venice,

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Erica Moore: the one that was the big whole of uh water

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Erica Moore: which they've been de-watering for all of this time they're still de-watering it, and what I've noticed is on the weep bomb and at night time they greatly accelerate the amount of water that's, being pumped, and I believe that's illegal. Concerning. I just want to say, too, we really have to be careful, and I really am imploring Lupex,

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Erica Moore: the Olympic committee to consider the Greening of Venice. I was just in a meeting for a few minutes before I jump into this,

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Erica Moore: and that's one of the things that if you look at the percentage of greenery that we have, it's greatly, drastically less than what it's supposed to be, and we need to really take care, and consider that when you're considering these large projects, we need to have greenscaping as well and green spaces. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Erica.

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Michael Jensen: All right. Moving on to the Cnc report. These are the new cases that came out on the bi-weekly planning department email. I want to assign them out.

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Michael Jensen: Um, and based on the current case. Load. Obviously, Chris, you're the Newbie don't have any cases yet, so i'd like to give you a few of these. I don't know if you just want to take,

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Michael Jensen: you know, three or four of them, and then the other ones will look for volunteers. Does that sound all right?

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. When would they need to be reviewed by? But I don't have a lot of time before the next meeting. Unfortunately, I have a little bit of time, but I was going to leave time. That That's That's fine. There's no there's no deadline. Necessarily. I'm actually more concerned about ones that have been assigned that have been filed like some in two thousand and twenty-one. These are brand new filings, so I would say, uh due course.

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Michael Jensen: So certainly you don't have to have all of them or any of them necessarily prepared for the next meeting, which is in only one week.

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Christopher McLean: Yeah. So yeah, just let me know whatever ones, you think.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. So only three cases correct. Are there just duplications?

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Michael Jensen: Um: One:

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, that's true. So there's Chris: I'm: gonna give you all of them. Yeah, Sorry they they come up as duplicates, and I sort of just

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Michael Jensen: copy them um

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Michael Jensen: from the uh

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Michael Jensen: uh from the C. The thens email. So um, Chris: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Of course. Yeah. I'm gonna need a little bit of a obviously. We'll go through. I'll talk to you separately about sort of the staff report process and the you know, interacting with the applicants and stuff like that.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Um, moving on. Item Number eight. So this is the one case. We have it's actually it had a vso. So I put it on the de Minimis calendar. If anyone has any objection to that speaking out otherwise, I think we should

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Michael Jensen: recommend this. Go onto the Vmc's consent. Calendar.

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Michael Jensen: If there's a

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Michael Jensen: important for that, Any thoughts, Karen, this is your case as well.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, like. Do I need to recruit myself now, or I don't know how. Oh, sorry. Yes,

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Chris, You just need to present it because I have Matt. If he needs to.

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Michael Jensen: Um. Not necessarily. Why, Don't, you just turn off your um.

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You can either exit the meeting or just mute and turn off the screen. You.

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Christopher McLean: Okay, I'll just. I'll just do that.

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Michael Jensen: Your camera storm.

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barrycassilly: Just put your hand in front of it.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, all right. So resuming Number eight,

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barrycassilly: you know, We're talking about a seven hundred and seventy, four square foot eighty, you and a roof deck being built on top of a garage. I think this is

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Michael Jensen: fairly not controversial. But yeah, if i'll open it up to public comment, then we can have a discussion. Public comment.

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Michael Jensen: I'm confused. I think we're We're

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lauren siegel: i'm confused that we're doing a public comment and talking about the case.

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lauren siegel: I thought we said with the De Minimis cases we were just. We don't have to present it nor talk about it.

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barrycassilly: Well, I think people are allowed to comment on the technical aspects of the Vso.

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Michael Jensen: So actually well, i'm going to borrow the concept from the Vmc. In that if anyone wants to pull it from consent

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Michael Jensen: or just does not support the you know our recommendation of it. Going consent. Please raise your hand now.

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Michael Jensen: I'm hearing Eric I'm seeing Erica.

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barrycassilly: Well, there's Jim Mirrors raising his on.

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barrycassilly: Are you? Are you asking for all the attendees or just wait

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barrycassilly: confusing.

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barrycassilly: I'm kind of asking

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Michael Jensen: for any public comment. So hold on, let me see what, Jen.

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barrycassilly: No, no, no, all in a second. But didn't you just ask the Board a question about? I asked the Board if anyone wanted to pull it, but technically that I mean the rule at the V and C level is also the public, so I can't just say the board can pull it.

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barrycassilly: Well, then, we would have to talk about it and vote on that. I got it right. So, um, Jim, you raised your hand.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Yes, so

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jim murez: de minimis, and and on consent are two different things. So I assume that you're referring to on consent that in the case of on consent, you're correct that you need to ask the public as well as the committee. If anybody wants to pull it, and then they raise their hand

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jim murez: and state why they want to pull it.

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jim murez: And then at that point it would go to the end of your agenda.

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Michael Jensen: You don't hear it at that. You you, you take it to the end of

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barrycassilly: what would be. I assume that this is a the section of your agenda in the number eight is under new business, so this will go to the end of new business. Um! And assuming that all business had already been covered, so your agenda would be all business first, then new office, and this would go to the end of new business.

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jim murez: Um. Now, having said that I did have an issue with it that I wanted to to raise my hand on originally, and that is where is the link that describes the project. Because my question is, how high is the top?

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jim murez: The roof where

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Michael Jensen: the deck is going to be? Is it looking down onto somebody else's property. And is that something that's been considered so? I don't think I don't see any link to any drawings or any document, any anything

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Michael Jensen: not to Zode website. They were posted. The drawings and everything were posted with the agenda on the Lupec website.

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Michael Jensen: A description for the case is taken directly from the planning department. It didn't include the height. Sometimes it doesn't, sometimes it does. But in any event, if that answers your question, Jim, do you want to pull it because of that, or you just making that.

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jim murez: Well,

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jim murez: I guess I would like to see the link in the agenda, because it's the agenda that gets reported as minutes

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jim murez: that way it would automatically be there. But, in other words, the link to the document, So it's a standalone item.

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jim murez: So somebody reading it would know where to go, link to or go to where to look to find it.

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jim murez: By the time this gets to the board that link has to be included in the board's agenda. But no, I'm not going to pull it. If you guys are okay with it, I assume you've studied the project. The height of the deck is

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jim murez: top of the garage is not going to be, you know, exceeding the height limit. It would be allowed.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, yeah, I mean for the record of Look at the plans. It complies with, the

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Michael Jensen: it complies. Yeah. And on top of that the building next to it definitely is smaller than what they're proposing

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corinne Baginski: you.

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Michael Jensen: So okay, well hold on. I'm just going to run through. We have four public comments. I just want to get through. So i'm going to call them in the order that I see. Erica,

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Michael Jensen: you are first.

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Erica Moore: Hi there. Okay. So yeah, I had a couple of questions like that, too. I don't know if I necessarily need to pull it. But it was just a matter of

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Erica Moore: the neighbors Have the neighbors. Are they aware of this project, and has there been neighborhood outreach?

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Erica Moore: One of these went up next door to my house? I had no idea, and I have zero privacy now.

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Erica Moore: I mean when they're on the roof deck. It's I I can never go in my yard any privacy at all. It's horrible. I wish I would have done. Um! And I just want to say that um, And I think that obviously that absolutely we should be able to see the information posted, and so that we can look at them.

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Erica Moore: So that's all I have to say. So i'm not saying I need to pull it, but I don't really know

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Erica Moore: you know. I'm: I'm just throwing that out there to you.

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Erica Moore: So thank you.

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Erica Moore: Okay, Thank you, Nick and Ostello.

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Michael Jensen: Sorry I forgot the stopwatch guys, but i'm gonna start using it now. So one minute,

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Michael Jensen: Nick, I just want to let you know. I'm here, Jim, Rob asks me to sit in on this meeting motion, but i'm a member of the

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barrycassilly: got it for the paddle tests.

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Nick Antonicello: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: thanks, Nick.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: We have a phone number ending in nine, four, zero.

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1541****940: Hi, there!

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Can you hear me?

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Michael Jensen: Yes,

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1541****940: okay. Hi. This is Matthew Nichols. I I am actually one of the designers on the project. So I don't actually have anything to add, I was just raising my hand, as some questions are coming up.

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Michael Jensen: But well, yeah, free to. If you want to answer any of the questions you.

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1541****940: Yeah,

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Michael Jensen: what we do. Um: yeah. We like. It's already been established, as the height of the project is within the specific plan requirement.

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1541****940: Karen had mentioned. Not that it's necessarily relevant. But there is a house next door that's quite a bit taller.

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1541****940: Um a lot.

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Michael Jensen: So it. The description has a roof tech in it. That was that was that was that was modified.

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corinne Baginski: and then I talked to the planner, and we kind of sort of compared the drawings and um basically the city didn't. And you know we just didn't. I don't know what happened. We didn't have time to upload it or anything but the drawing that I have shows no roof that.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Well, Let's get the updated description in time, either regardless of what happens. Let's get the updated description, for when it goes to the Vnc. But um is does the anyone from the committee want to pull this, or can I get a motion to send this?

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barrycassilly: I can't approve it.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Corinne, you want to read the motion. That's that's up in front of you.

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barrycassilly: I have a comment to make before we vote on this. Oh, okay, very

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barrycassilly: um. We're not followed. I don't feel like we're following proper procedure here. Um. Discussion of Vso. Approved projects is supposed to focus on

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barrycassilly: on the Vso. Process itself. It's not supposed to be this, like amorphous discussion of what does this roof deck look like?

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barrycassilly: It's either got a Vso. Or it doesn't have a vso, so they're going to get one or it doesn't going to get one and somebody can object. My understanding is because they feel like the project does not

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barrycassilly: it's It's not a forum for like, do I like a roof deck? Do I think it's appropriate, or any of that stuff.

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barrycassilly: Okay, thanks. Very understood. The only reason we were even talking about a roof tech is because someone said there wasn't a roof that up the description has it in there. I don't think that has any bearing on whether or not it's compliant or not. Um, but This is the same kind of motion we have for all of the de minimis cases. So someone wants to make it, and second it, I'd be happy to

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Michael Jensen: to take a motion.

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Michael Jensen: So, Karen, do you want to make it

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Michael Jensen: all right? Yeah.

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barrycassilly: can I add a friendly amendment?

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barrycassilly: There is no such thing as a friendly amendment to stop you. Barry.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, i'll do a roll call for this. We'll go through

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Michael Jensen: the Anc. Meeting on the Consent calendar. Just probably the checking with Karen. You'll probably just have to go on call in case someone pulls it. Okay, Moving on Number nine, Larry, I'm. Going to

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Larry Nagler: Okay, I unmuted. Are you able to hear me?

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barrycassilly: Okay, thank you very much. I'd like to just spend very, very few seconds briefly, on my credentials to help you evaluate my comments.

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Larry Nagler: For many, many years I was the general counsel for the Southern California Tennis Association, which is the

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Larry Nagler: the the most prominent Tenants association in the United States. They did that pro bono.

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Larry Nagler: I was a touring tennis player on the circuit for many years.

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Larry Nagler: I was Arthur as his doubles partner, and I was his lawyer when he turned pro, and I am a lawyer.

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Larry Nagler: I represent tennis court builders and have in the past,

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Larry Nagler: and I represent other tennis court contractors.

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Larry Nagler: And so

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Larry Nagler: I want to direct my attention to the

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Larry Nagler: the project that's currently underway to refence the paddle tennis courts,

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Larry Nagler: and in particular the

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Larry Nagler: somewhat messy situation that has occurred. With the bidding and situation.

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Larry Nagler: I did some research,

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Larry Nagler: and I contacted my former clients and my clients to find out what it should cost to refence

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Larry Nagler: and I was given an estimate of between fifty and one hundred thousand dollars in what it should cost.

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Larry Nagler: The contract that apparently has been led is for five hundred thousand, plus one hundred thousand contingency or basically six hundred thousand

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Larry Nagler: Um! I offered to the Department of Recreation and parks, and anybody who would listen ah, to ah take the steps necessary to get other tennis court contractors to look at this and did it, and I felt that

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Larry Nagler: charging six times what it should cost, or more than six times just was nonsensical from the standpoint of the public and everybody else that's involved in this situation. But

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Larry Nagler: I was unable to get anybody to listen to our proposal. I sent a formal proposal to the Department of Recreation and Parks

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Larry Nagler: to the Coastal Commission, I believe, but we've never ever gotten anybody to talk to us about it.

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Larry Nagler: I told them that we believed that we could actually provide the funding for the entire project through the paddle tennis community.

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Larry Nagler: This has been done twice in the past. The

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Larry Nagler: we did this in one thousand nine hundred and eighty, seven, and once earlier. So there is tremendous precedent for this, and I would think that the city, the powers that be,

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Larry Nagler: including the Venice Neighborhood Council, would very much want to be economically useful in these projects. So today I find out not today, but in the last few days they've started the project. Nobody's responded to me or the people.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: to to tell the people that we could A. Believe we could get it much, much, much cheaper. And B. We believe we could raise the money to do it ourselves, but nobody has listened.

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Larry Nagler: Um. Now we also need to resurface the courts, because in the process of doing the refencing they've done damage by pulling out the polls. It's basically not been thought through.

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Larry Nagler: So I I would like, and I am suggesting and i'm offering

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Larry Nagler: that the title Tennis community would be happy to try to get bidding for this at a much, much cheaper amount, and through private funding.

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Larry Nagler: But we haven't been able to get anybody to listen to us.

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Larry Nagler: We also believe that we could provide benches.

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Larry Nagler: We could provide bleachers. We think that there could be signage and trees. Somebody was mentioning the need for greenery. We think we could have an impact on that. We, and we think we could do it for a price that is much more and more sensible. So the first issue that I want to put before you in the form of emotion, I guess.

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Larry Nagler: How can we obtain a bidding process to

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Larry Nagler: you identify a reasonable cost for at least the projects regularly related to the paddle Fennis community.

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Larry Nagler: um motion number two has to do with the fact that we are aware that an application of some sort, somewhat informal, has been made to someone we don't know. Excuse me, we don't know who

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Larry Nagler: restripe a couple or three of the paddle tennis courts to be used as pickleball courts. I had prepared a legal opinion letter to

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Larry Nagler: which, by the way, is attached to your minutes as one of the attachments in which I sent. I. I sent this both to the Department of Recreation and Parks, and to the Coastal Commission, since the Coastal Commission is the commission that granted the permit to recreation and parks to build these courts,

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Larry Nagler: in which I showed them chapter and verse, that the covenants

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Larry Nagler: under which the project was created for the panel tennis courts run with the land and require them to be used for paddle tennis courts. So it would be illegal, and violate the covenants, in my opinion,

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Larry Nagler: to ah, to to try to use these courts for pickle ball, and certainly to restripe them. In addition to that also attached to my legal memorandum, which is part of your minutes, I I attach copies of the the plans and the permit

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Larry Nagler: to build the construction permit.

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Larry Nagler: I pointed out the chapter in verse in the page which shows that the lines on the courts are to be paddle tennis lines, the

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Larry Nagler: so to restripe them for pickleball would be a violation of the building permit.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: for those two reasons I think it's illegal, and I wanted to bring that to everybody's attention, because I because I cannot communicate with the powers that be about

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Larry Nagler: what's going on there? I contacted the um, the Venice Neighborhood Council, and was transferred to the Land Use Committee, and I was given this opportunity to make this presentation. So both of these motions are before you, and

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Larry Nagler: if there are any questions, I merely want to say that the Pendle tennis community

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Larry Nagler: has been running these courts and and basically using these courts since one thousand nine hundred and sixty two,

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Larry Nagler: They've raised thousands of dollars every year in

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Larry Nagler: th. This is a world renowned facility.

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Larry Nagler: People come here from all over the world, I mean just last weekend. There was a fellow from Paris who was in in town. He's a pilot, and he the first place he comes is here. So basically we want to help

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: want to do anything that you would suggest that we would do that, we think should make sense to the community to do this cheaper and more efficiently. And so I would like to answer any questions that you may have based upon my presentation.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks, Larry. I'm. Going to open it up to public comment, and then probably what will happen is that may there may be questions in that public comment, and i'll give you an opportunity to respond if that's all right,

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Larry Nagler: that's perfect. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Ok. So i'm going to open this up to public comment. I'm seeing one, two hands

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Michael Jensen: I'm going to assume. I think we got. I think that's everyone. So i'll start it off with Nick and to Nicholas,

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Michael Jensen: There you go. So it

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Nick Antonicello: Yeah. I was asked to to attend this meeting because i'm a member of the ocean for Walk Committee, and I'm very happy. You have this guest tonight, because I don't know how, in God's name, need six hundred thousand dollars to do about what I estimate. There's forty thousand fifty thousand dollars worth of work. For example,

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Nick Antonicello: the reservicing that I saw just on a just a Google search, and what this would cost is between eight and twelve thousand dollars,

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Nick Antonicello: the installation of nine water fountains and new water fountain.

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Nick Antonicello: The pieces that we go there we're between one and six thousand dollars,

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Nick Antonicello: then the overall we servicing could be as long as ten thousand. But the projects like this, my understanding is that the biggest cost is lighting, and there is no light.

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Nick Antonicello: So I think that the presenter is making some very important points, and that this is an absolute government waste.

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Nick Antonicello: You know, Triage, you're going up.

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Nick Antonicello: I think that this committee should definitely take a promotion and figure out why something like this would be

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Nick Antonicello: So I want to thank your presenter, and I would ask the Board to do some simple Google search on, for example, how to install public waterfalls. What is resurfacing of a tennis court. It's all online. It's all there for you guys to see, and everything he has said is absolutely one hundred percent correct.

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Nick Antonicello: Wait it.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Neck.

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Michael Jensen: The Erica Moore.

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Michael Jensen: Ah,

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Erica Moore: hi! There! I absolutely was thrilled to hear this.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, and I agree, and it to me it's just an example of them, probably awarding the contract to you know somebody specific, and everything is weighted. Other things have gone down like that, and it seems like that's happening here, too. I absolutely applaud

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Erica Moore: the idea of having to be privately funded. I think that's amazing. I think that the people that are so involved and embedded in this obviously have more experience, and they have the connections and the ties.

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Erica Moore: They know what works. I think that we need to take this presenter seriously, and I think that we need to explore everything he's talking about. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you. Erica.

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Dan Factor (whatnot): I'm going to formal information by what the historical submissions of battle penalties in Venice, is. It's like like you, said one by two, in some sense, but it will simply look like a center of title tennis and the second Romanoid. Could you explain a little bit more about that

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Dan Factor (whatnot): regarding cattle tennis and

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Dan Factor (whatnot): um what that Cabinet says about what the courts

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Michael Jensen: What are you doing,

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Thatcher Weldon: Hi, yes, um, i'm also a member of the panel tennis community, and i'm also um the chair of the Current Adult Education Consortium. So I I do sit on a board a public board, and kind of understand these processes a little bit dealing with

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Thatcher Weldon: bidding for public funds. I agree with Larry on a lot of things. I believe there were a few things he talked about. He talked about pick the Mall, and in the and them coming out to the boards. I completely agree with him. They don't belong on the paddle tennis courts at Tennis Beach. Also, you know, Pickle Ball has plenty of places to play um, and the paddle tennis chords at Venice featured are actually not a great place for pick a ball with all the winds from the beach.

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Thatcher Weldon: But anyways, onto this contract I think we need to be careful about taking a real offensive stance with the Los Angeles Parks and Recreation Board. One thing i'll point out is that they look over hundreds, if not hundreds, dozens of parks throughout the city. They're not experts on any type of construction. I do agree they could do better at public

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Thatcher Weldon: bidding and getting costs down. But I don't believe that we should take the stance of thinking that they there was some kind of corruption here. I don't know the complete cost

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Thatcher Weldon: the water fountains. I don't know the cost of everything involved in this project.

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Thatcher Weldon: It was even very, very vague. If you look at their agendas and their contracts, I didn't see anything about the water um systems. If it's filtration systems, they're installing what it is. I think we need to look more into it, and I think we need to have a better approach with the Los Angeles Parks and Recreation Department, inviting them to our community, showing them how great of a community we have, and trying to build that rapport with their work.

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Robin Rudisill: Hi it's Robin Russell and I'm. Also a member of Thenc's Ocean Front Walk committee, and I just want to thank Larry very much for coming to the Vnc i'm super disappointed to hear about this non-responsiveness. That he's gotten inexcusable. All these people are public servants,

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Robin Rudisill: and I I agree with Nick. I think this is a matter to be immediately brought to the attention of the City Controller's office. There's a portal where you can report government waste that, I think, at a minimum. We should quickly do that

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Robin Rudisill: and make that part of the motion. If there's going to be motion here tonight,

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Robin Rudisill: and I would also it. It sounded like they've already started the work, so something has to happen immediately to get it to be put on hold or stop work while this gets sorted out, because it seems like it's more than just a disagreement on, or you know a difference in pricing. It's a lot of other things, too, and

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Robin Rudisill: I would suggest we or the Vnc. And also um Larry, go straight to the top at Reckon Parks. Jimmy Kim is the new general manager of city Record Parks, and I think this is important enough

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Robin Rudisill: that somebody contact him right away and again clarify exactly what's happening, and why it should go on hold until these issues are sorted out.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Robin and Jim

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Michael Jensen: Thank you. Can you hear me? We can hear you great. I had to on mute,

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jim murez: you know this is not on the agenda as a motionable item. It's not described that way. It's described as a presentation,

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jim murez: so I guess I would suggest that that. Ah, I think still later this month. Ocean Front Walk committee is planning on having a meeting, although I can never tell with Jim. But um! If if he is, maybe Robin or one of the other ocean by meeting Neck, who, I think, is also on our shoulder. One um! Maybe they could put it together on his agenda as a motion, so it could become before the board, and we could then on the board of

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jim murez: Also chime in on what sounds like several issues that need to be brought to the attention of several different people. I think that the financial issue is one thing I think, that

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jim murez: if, if indeed, the the land use is is designated just for paddle tennis courts, and that's in a covenant on the land. I think that that needs to be investigated. You know these are all issues that

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jim murez: have a significant impact on the community, and we don't want to. So by the wayside, and we should be able to make a motion on it, but because the way it was presented on the agenda as just a presentation. You can't really draft one on the fly tonight. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thanks, Jim. Yeah. Just an explanation about that. So I had contacted Jim

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Michael Jensen: to try and see if we could coordinate a joint meeting for this and the just logistics of that trying to do that with this kind of time were just not possible. So my thought was, Have this presentation have a motion come back, maybe without the presentation? In a subsequent meeting

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Michael Jensen: that could be passed by both committees. I know they have a meeting later this month. We have another meeting

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Michael Jensen: one week from today, so it's, I think, possible to get emotion. But I didn't know how these two sort of separate but related things

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Michael Jensen: it would land, whether there's support for both one or none. So, rather than trying to have a bunch of convoluted motions contemplating all this in areas, I wanted to sort of get the read of what's going to come out of the committee first. So with that said, If there's any committee discussion, let's bring it on one hundred and fifty.

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lauren siegel: So I would like to say something. Um. So I, as I mentioned earlier, I'm. A member of the Paddle Community and construction has begun almost. It's almost been going on two weeks. Now, my concern in some of the suggestions of putting this on hold they have basically torn apart eight of the eleven ports at this point, and so people have it too, scattered to other parts of Los Angeles to go and play paddle tennis.

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lauren siegel: And if we find ourselves, you know, fighting this battle and months and months continue. We're really going to lose our community, and they're going to. You know. It's going to be too difficult to wait, and

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lauren siegel: so I guess what I'm saying is, whatever decisions we make. I want them to be swift. I don't want this to drag out for months and months and months, and we basically taken away the ability of our community to meet and play and do what we do so hopefully, we'll keep that in mind as we move forward.

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barrycassilly: Yeah, i'd like to second what Lauren is saying. Um, I I don't remember who made that suggestion that, like everything being put on hold. But I just think that's a like disastrous idea that like must have come up on the spur of the moment, and wasn't thought through.

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barrycassilly: Um. I agree that that there's a lot of questions about these funds. Um! And it certainly fits into the pattern of the city doing no bit, contracts

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barrycassilly: um, and paying insanely inflated costs for every project that they do. Obviously, things like the Median project are a perfect example. So all of us are always standing around saying, Where is all this money going?

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barrycassilly: But there's a time and a place for every discussion. I think it would be disastrous to ask to put everything on hold here when it's midstream. That's just really a bad idea. Yes, and but also like why, we just do emotion

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barrycassilly: like, put it on the agenda the next week, and pass something not past something also from Wall Company can do whatever they want to do and just not make it complicated,

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lauren siegel: and to build on that. I think that the second issue is really a very important one. As to whether you know those courts are set aside, as Larry has presented evidence for only paddle tennis, and I think it needs to be really clear, and it's our job as the Land Use planning Committee here in Venice to help decide if that is the case, and if it is the case, then there shouldn't be um any kind of move towards

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lauren siegel: painting lines and making it pickle ball courts.

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lauren siegel: There are many places to play pickleball. There are very few places to play paddle tennis, so I think issue number two is really a long-standing issue that we should really talk about in in in much more detail.

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barrycassilly: So i'll just speak so. I I think we can definitely put together, and i'm happy to. I'll take this up as the staff person, but i'll put together a

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Michael Jensen: a formal motion for our agenda next week, and then also, I can share that motion with Jim Rob's committee. They can pass it or not, or amend it, and we get two sort of different motions that come up in the September Board meeting.

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Michael Jensen: But I would say, in terms of the Covenants, whether or not there's a covenant is not the end. All be all

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Michael Jensen: um Covenants are on all sorts of properties. Some of them are meaningless, because they haven't been enforced. Some of them violate the Constitution, so I I think the crux of that issue is really

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Michael Jensen: the coming, still actionable or enforceable. Rather

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Michael Jensen: on the first one, I would say. Ah, yes, clearly we have like some kind of alarming spending going on. I don't know what what we can do at this juncture to like. Stop what you know. They've already ripped out the pen. I went by there like three days ago. They ripped out the fences. They torn up stuff. I mean that contract that ship has sailed. That money is spent, I think, on further work. I don't know whether there's a separate

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Michael Jensen: sort of line item for fixing the courts now that they have torn them up, and I assume that's that's coming. Maybe there's an opportunity there to have to either have some cost control, or if private sources want to fund it.

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Michael Jensen: Um, you know. Go that route. I'm. Sort of inclined to say this is public. These are public facilities that this is exactly why we pay taxes. I don't know why we're going out of pocket to spend

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Michael Jensen: money on something that our tax dollars are supposed to be providing for us. Because this is a community benefit. But

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lauren siegel: just to that point it's been my experience that

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lauren siegel: Um, there's There's a difference between the um the action that's happening on the courts, and what the privatizing can help with in terms of in the past. There's been reservicing done, and within six months there's cracks. There's paying chips. It's not the quality. It's not done the way that if we were to have a a private group managing the process, it would be

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lauren siegel: such a higher quality and and better done last time they resurfaced the courts. They came back again because they had done it wrong, and it still continued to have cracks. So, while I understand the Rex and Parks have a lot of courts and a lot of responsibility. I feel like if we partnered better with them, and we and then we could make sure that the work that's being done is

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lauren siegel: a less expensive and be higher quality. So there needs to be some kind of partnership there for us to succeed here. I think I feel very strong about that.

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lauren siegel: May I comment a little bit on this subject, please?

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, sure, Larry, thank you. I think Lauren has put her finger on something which has really been knocking on the front of my brain throughout this whole discussion, and that is this:

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Larry Nagler: I would hope that recreation in parks would be open to communicating with

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Larry Nagler: either with your committee

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Larry Nagler: or with the paddle tennis community's representative

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Larry Nagler: to

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Larry Nagler: um do the best job that can be done with the combined mental and physical resources of the participants and the part one of the part I mean, I I really wholeheartedly endorse. If you guys could sort of. If you have some way of communicating with them

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Larry Nagler: to be open to discussion with us about the process. We'll have a better product at the end of it.

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Larry Nagler: That's the essence of what i'm trying to get. I I would love that to be a one of one of a sub-motions.

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Larry Nagler: You know that that that motion that sub part of the motion should be thought through carefully, Michael Jensen, if you would.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, Larry, i'm happy to work with you on the exact language of the motion.

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Michael Jensen: Okay,

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Michael Jensen: for next week, if you But I mean honestly, if you want to send me the kind of motion you have in mind. We can. We can woodshed it.

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barrycassilly: I'll give you I'll give you my my two cents, and you can add your twenty five cents, and we'll have twenty seven cents worth of of effort. Here am I going to get a pack of gum? That's a Larry a question.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, Berry,

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barrycassilly: hey? You sounds so annoying with me. I'm not. You can definitely ask him a question.

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barrycassilly: Okay, thank you, Larry. Um, You know. I

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barrycassilly: I think we all know that the way the system is supposed to work is that our our council person is supposed to be the facilitator here, and his office is supposed to interface with the community, and whatever um city agency is involved,

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barrycassilly: i'm just wondering. Has anybody Have you or anybody from your group reached out to the Council office, and if you have, what was their response?

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Larry Nagler: Well, I have not,

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barrycassilly: and what I did do is I sent a copy of the I'll call it my legal brief as to why they are not allowed to pay pickle ball lines on the Paddle tennis courts. I sent that to the City Council's office.

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Larry Nagler: I sent that to the Department of Recreation of Parks, and I sent that to the Coastal Commission,

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Larry Nagler: but I have never spoken. And frankly, I don't know the proper procedure and the best way to do this and part of what i'm seeking here is some guidance. Basically i'm offering myself to be used by anybody that

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barrycassilly: would make that have value from what I could contribute. And i'd be happy to talk to anybody that you think is appropriate to move this along?

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barrycassilly: Okay, I think we might be able to help you. I mean, we all know that Mike Bonnet has left the building. Um! But there are. There are staffers who are still working there who maybe can help if they're willing. So

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Larry Nagler: that won't be fabulous. Okay, all right. We'll talk about that later. Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Okay. Well, with that, I think i'll close this agenda. Item up. Larry will work in the coming days on the agenda for next week needs to be posted by Monday. I don't know when the

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Michael Jensen: when the meeting for Ocean Front Walk Committee is, but

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Michael Jensen: I can make time tomorrow to

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Michael Jensen: to draft the the proposed motions, and or at least give you my insight. You can give them to Jim Rob. We can take them. You know them both up at our meetings, if that sounds all right.

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Larry Nagler: So, Michael, do I understand that you're going to take first crack. I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't mind, since you know the process of procedures better.

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Michael Jensen: Sure, that's fine, I mean it might be, I think the easiest, Probably thing to do is give me what you what you want. I'll turn it into the motion language.

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Michael Jensen: Um, but, like I don't know what the end goal you have in mind is um. And so if you want to send me that, I can turn that into a motion.

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Larry Nagler: Okay, I I will do that. I I agree with the the prospect that the the ship has sailed. As far as the fencing is concerned. I do not know whether we could be of use and helpful on the resurfacing of the courts.

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lauren siegel: So that's you know. I'll explain that to you in my notes, so you'll you'll see how to draft it if you can.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Thank you very much for me to present.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Larry. Okay, I'm gonna say goodbye. Thank you. Good night. All right. Moving on to agenda Number ten. Item number ten I mentioned last meeting, or a couple of meetings ago. I wanted to start taking up the sort of bigger issues of

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Michael Jensen: the city's changes to the land use plan. So I figured a good way to do that is, we'll just start taking pieces of

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Michael Jensen: our specific plan and see what we like. See what we don't like. So we're starting with exhibit three in chapter one, which is sort of like the policy issues. And So I think what i'd like to do is i'm not going to read this, but i'm going to leave it up,

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Michael Jensen: and i'm going to open it up for public comment, so we can sort of just some stuff. And then i'd like to open it up to the board to the committee rather to talk about areas where we think there should be changes, some things that like things that don't like

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Michael Jensen: I guess that's sort of rhetorical. So let me let me open enough for public comments.

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Michael Jensen: Um, okay, Frank Murphy, I see you.

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Michael Jensen: Um.

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Michael Jensen: I am seeing only one public comment.

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Michael Jensen: I'll leave it open for another up to public comments

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Michael Jensen: and three

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Michael Jensen: she makes three,

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Michael Jensen: all right. Public comments. I'm gonna close it. And Frank Murphy. Go ahead.

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frank murphy: I you know I just wanted to comment more in general than specific as to the

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frank murphy: to the uh specific plan.

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frank murphy: Um, my point being, or just to state upfront,

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frank murphy: that Venice was never meant to be a suburb by the sea.

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frank murphy: This plan is a is a

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frank murphy: an attempt to apply suburban rules to an intensely urban area.

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frank murphy: The The concept of freezing everything in time

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frank murphy: makes it incapable of responding to the needs of the generations to come. The

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frank murphy: So that's sort of my general statement.

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frank murphy: The La is taxed with providing four hundred and sixty five thousand units by two thousand and twenty nine.

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frank murphy: That's a thirty, three percent increase in housing units.

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frank murphy: So the Venice coastal zone, from the the regional interpretive guidelines were implemented in one thousand nine hundred and eighty, and in two thousand and four. The specific plan was drafted.

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frank murphy: So if you look at the numbers from eighty to to to two thousand and twenty, you had a nineteen percent increase in in housing in Venice and in La as a whole, all of its coastal zone areas in La had a seventeen percent increase.

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frank murphy: That's over a forty year period

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frank murphy: that in Venice is driven almost exclusively by the Peninsula, and the Oxford triangle

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frank murphy: three hundred, three thousand one hundred and thirty. One units were created in those two areas alone,

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frank murphy: and there were three thousand seven hundred and eight units created in all of Venice during that same time period. So you can see the math there. You only get about six hundred units

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frank murphy: that are in all the other areas of Venice which represents about a four percent increase as opposed to a nineteen percent increase in Venice. So those rules are really cycling. Any ability

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frank murphy: for our community to respond to the overall needs

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frank murphy: for generations to come. And this is not what Venice was not what Venice is, and even by the Venice community plan, their introduction is very clear that

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frank murphy: that Venice Venice's plan has to respond to the needs of the overall community. The

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frank murphy: given that, I would say

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frank murphy: enough, said by me, Thank you,

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Frank. I've lost my participant staff.

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Erica Moore: Hi. I was just wondering if, as far as the public comment, if these are going to be broken down into sections, because that's an awful lot of territory to cover in. You know what i'm saying. So i'm just kind of making a comment about that. You're going to approach this by section, or you're just going to go through point by point

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Erica Moore: as a whole. It seems like it's a lot to digest all at once that that's all I had to say.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, thanks, Erica. Um,

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Michael Jensen: Jim Murray's

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jim murez: unmuted

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jim murez: so um over the many years that I've lived in Venice, and I participated in in this process which you're talking about.

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jim murez: The one thing that's always puzzled me is, why has the city

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jim murez: push these kinds of regulations, and I say push, because these are the the the guidelines that they created for our community the zoning regulations, the density regulations, the land use regulations,

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jim murez: yet they themselves have never actually participated in a lot of the characteristics that they expect

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jim murez: the private sector to create.

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jim murez: I would really like to see in future plans.

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jim murez: The city participate

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jim murez: ways that

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jim murez: help the community rather than hinder the community. Now, by that I mean streets like like like Pacific, where the sidewalks are completely ada non-compliant.

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jim murez: Why has the city not done something to improve the sidewalk? Conditions

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jim murez: you know they're talking about encroachments in the very first section that you have on the screen talking about encroachments and and and regulations of encroachments into the public right away. But they themselves have telephone poles in the middle of a thirty inch wide sidewalk that makes it impossible for anybody to walk by.

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jim murez: I think that that's a real problem that the city has not done their part to to contribute, and the entire Dean plan. If you look at the land use plan was created last time. Everybody. The Public Works section was one page,

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jim murez: and to me that is a huge travesty.

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jim murez: I think that when you talk about commercial land use development, you know the parking regulations that were imposed by the city make it nearly impossible

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jim murez: a developer of commercial property to be able to develop the commercial property, to actually serve the community

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jim murez: churned out. I mean over the thirty years that I've been looking thirty, five years that I've been looking at this stuff. Every commercial development, with the exception of maybe two

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jim murez: has been primarily turn the commercial property into residential, because that's the only way we can park it.

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jim murez: You can look at a street like Abby Kenny. I think there's only two new buildings on the entire boulevard in the last thirty, five years that has been built as commercial use, and they each have something to do with residential as well,

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jim murez: but they were on much larger lots. And so when we talk about what's going to happen on oceanfront walk, And how can we develop our community

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jim murez: and try to restore some of the historic characteristics and and create something for the future? That sort of resembles what maybe was here once before

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jim murez: the city has to kick in their part

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jim murez: and and not providing. For instance, you know, parking structures like I mean, you know I've been involved in parking a long time, and if you combine all of the parking lots, all of the public parking lots in Venice,

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jim murez: the number of parking spaces does not equal one of the two parking lots that at Bay Street, up in Santa Monica does.

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jim murez: They're parking there one parking lot of the two. Ah bay cities that to Baked Bay street parking lots has more parking spaces than all of Venice to the public, and people say, well wait. Santa Monica's got preferential parking. Why can't Venice? Well, you know, the Coastal Commission has a State rule.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Jim, wrap it up.

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jim murez: Okay. So my feeling is is that you,

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jim murez: The The

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jim murez: new development, needs to also consider what's the city's role

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jim murez: what the private resident, the private property owner, wants to

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Michael Jensen: thank you.

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Michael Jensen: All right. Closing public Comments

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Michael Jensen: Committee. Um:

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Michael Jensen: yeah. As you reviewed these, I mean, do we want to talk about comments? I definitely. I take what Frank and actually, Jim said,

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Michael Jensen: agree with both of their comments, and i'd love to incorporate some of those points into this, and I would suggest that, like

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Michael Jensen: with the last one. This come back with a formal motion that's red line. But I think what I want to do is sort of talk about

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Michael Jensen: what points we want to add?

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barrycassilly: Uh, can I ask a general question?

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barrycassilly: i'm not being smart,

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barrycassilly: this, that what we're looking at? Where did this come from? Exactly. This is in the introduction. So I started at the beginning of our specific plan.

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barrycassilly: Yeah, um. And this is what I would say, is sort of like the policy introduction to the specific plan. So if you go to a chapter, I think it's Chapter one

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barrycassilly: there's there's this exhibit, and I've sort of replicated the formatting it has. I couldn't pull up the

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barrycassilly: Oh, no, I understand it, so it's a it's a statement of principle, and then, and this is verbatim text: What's in the existing part?

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barrycassilly: Yeah. So this is the statement of principle. Then further along gets into the specifics. I just have to say. I haven't read this in a long time, and it's shocking. How negative! This is

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barrycassilly: nothing here that almost nothing that talks about doing anything productive or proactive, or expansive, or it's all like regulate, regulate, overdeveloped.

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barrycassilly: Well, now, I would say, I mean the first bullet point in commercial land Use and development is encouragement of coastal development, recreation, neighborhood and visitor serving facilities. That's first. Yes, it is

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barrycassilly: yes, it is, then. Next one is regulation. The next one is the development which is out of scale right?

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barrycassilly: The other one next one is over, no point in it. But i'm still saying, I mean,

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Michael Jensen: there is something for it being the first,

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barrycassilly: they I would say yes. They slipped up, and they said something not completely negative in one.

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lauren siegel: But can I ask another question.

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Michael Jensen: So I understand that we want to provide that that was neighborhood and visitors serving facilities that was in scale with

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Michael Jensen: Uh. The buildings are around it, and the Coastal Commission found a way to find it

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barrycassilly: in scale. So wait a minute. Who somebody else was talking, though,

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barrycassilly: and that that was me.

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barrycassilly: Are we hearing each other?

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I hear you. Do you hear me?

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barrycassilly: Yup!

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barrycassilly: Yes, everybody hears you, Barry. I hope they pop it. I'm sorry. My question is, I understand this process, Michelle. It makes a lot of sense that we want to provide. Input,

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lauren siegel: However, my question is, do they really want our input Will we really go through this painstaking process, and really put to pay for what we want? Will it be received? And will it be, you know? Will it impact what they're doing.

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lauren siegel: That's my question. I thought that Jeff Cow's presentation

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lauren siegel: months and months ago. It sounded like they were kind of keeping things the way they were, it didn't sound like they were making major changes. And so i'm trying to understand

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lauren siegel: going through this process and putting so much thought and effort into it if we're really going to have an impact

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Michael Jensen: that I actually well, I I believe I mean this is sort of

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Michael Jensen: she.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, I believe there is an impact. We're the local organization that is, you know, deputized by the city powers to do this kind of stuff,

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Michael Jensen: and i'd rather I mean, I know that it's. It's a lot of work and all that. But i'd rather at least go through those steps. Submit the the changes that the community wants to see and have them say No, rather than just assume the city is going to ignore it, because then we definitely don't get to

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barrycassilly: see what we want. Um,

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corinne Baginski: Is it also at the State level? That's the problem is that the process seems to be such a

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Michael Jensen: as Trinous one, because we have to go through the city and the city, you know I mean one of the things we're looking to correct. And when I say we, I mean like the city, and I think the Coastal Commission

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Michael Jensen: is the reason that we have this two-step process of going to the city and then going to the coastal is because we have a half-approved local coastal program.

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Michael Jensen: But we haven't the Coastal Commission for whatever reason has not approved the implementating plan for the Venice land use plan. So what that means is

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Michael Jensen: they get a second read on all of these projects. One of the things that's going to be corrected.

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Michael Jensen: I hope out of this process is, the city's going to do it right this time. It's going to have an implementation plan approved along with its land. Use plan that then

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Michael Jensen: we'll properly delegate to the city it the review and approval of permits. So we stop having to go to both places

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Michael Jensen: for a project, because what that does right now is lead to sort of absurd situations where

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Michael Jensen: Ah! Someone gets through the city and gets approved and gets approved through even support through the Vmc. And then goes to coastal, and it seems like there's just a brand new standard voices upon them, So that's one of the things that's going to get hopefully corrected through the process of

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Michael Jensen: um. The updates to the land use plan specifically in having an implementation plan that is actually approved by coast, because that's what's missing now. So, Mikhail, who is this? Who is it that you're going to give this feedback to?

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Michael Jensen: So our So I would like to take this in components and sort of. Do you know one meeting where we take an input and then come back with a red line changes in the next meeting,

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Michael Jensen: and then those will get shipped off to the city planning department and the Coastal Commission and staff, because they're sort of working with tandem on this, so that they can see. Okay, this is the official, and it'll go to the Neighborhood Council to the board first,

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Michael Jensen: and then we'll ship that off to the planning staff who are working on these updates and the Coastal Commission Staff who are working with them on it because they are sort of handing glove at this point on this thing

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Michael Jensen: and that way we get it to the people who need to hear what the locals. You know. The local Neighborhood Council is supporting.

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barrycassilly: Okay, So that was that's a question.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: Um. Okay, Looking at the the summary, it seems like it's very much complicated, and that any of these points are me the real study of each community in any parts of the city,

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: to see if there how it can be implemented. Does that make sense? What i'm saying

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: is that you can't do it as a general statement. Every one of these is an overall Venice area versus the section and community, and more modified, more studies needed.

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Michael Jensen: Well, so my response to that this is supposed to be the broad, overarching policy, like sort of the This is the goal generally. And then for each individual neighborhood.

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Michael Jensen: We're going to go through all of those sub areas because they're sections themselves in the specific plant. And we're going to make those the same. So

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Michael Jensen: I mean, I agree. I think this list is honestly too long to be sort of like a coherent policy, because it's it's it's too much like You can't have a twenty point list subdivided into six and seven bullets, because it's just not.

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Michael Jensen: That's not coherent.

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Michael Jensen: So I would I would suggest that some of our changes maybe be to streamline this. So we actually have coherent goals that aren't necessarily

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Michael Jensen: in a posit to each other, because here we have encouragement of personal development, and then regulation of development right after it. And there's really like there's a salient point in there. But I don't think they're achieving it by having five bullet points. That sort of

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Michael Jensen: say different things that conflict with each other.

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Okay,

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barrycassilly: Okay, um. I think the only Oh, go ahead, Christopher.

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Christopher McLean: Yeah. I mean, I'm new to this. I don't really know everything that's going on. But to me I mean just seconding what Bernie is saying. I think it just seems like really broad stroke. And in some cases really big

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Christopher McLean: blanket statements. There's obviously really specific things about preserving certain areas or like sewage runoff, or what have you?

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: It seems like it would be nice if there was like a whole map of Venice, and there was all these specific overlays of like target areas and things that want to be implemented just like the actual Mandy's map, you know. But even maybe there's more specific items, and it's kind of like a wish list of all these, like amazing amenities and changes to improve areas, you know, and everyone, I think people are very visual.

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Christopher McLean: They could immediately like understand that if they saw that map and could engage in it.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you. So that's coming. No, I mean, that's coming. I. Just this is the beginning of I'm doing this in order of a plan. And so we're going to get to the You know the maps of sub areas and talking about

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Michael Jensen: heights and density and all that stuff by sub area. This is just, I mean,

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Michael Jensen: this is just the beginning of the plan. So this is where we're at, and I, you know i'm happy to break this up more. But I would like to talk. I mean

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Michael Jensen: the few public comments we got are, you know, My, I guess summary of them is restoring sort of historical standards to Venice that existed pre-specific plan.

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Michael Jensen: Um, you know this was. This is a document from two thousand S. From the early two thousand that was developed in the nineties, and certain things were going on in cities across the country, but in la, and in terms of zoning and density and suburbanization.

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Um, but

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Michael Jensen: so there's that point from from Frank, and then also Jim's point that you know there's stuff in here that the city is just blatantly violating. That would really lead to. I mean the thing with the telephone poles in the middle of the sidewalk drives me.

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Michael Jensen: That's

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barrycassilly: um,

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Michael Jensen: and maybe that's silly. But i'm honestly. I don't know why we are still putting wires in the air in a place like Venice like they should just be in the ground.

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barrycassilly: But anyway, so Mikhail Mikhail so um you

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barrycassilly: Ah,

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barrycassilly: So Jim and Frank had some emphatic general principles, and

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barrycassilly: Erica raised the point that it's really hard for a lot of people to tackle this if you get it all at once. If you wanted to break it down into smaller components. So

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barrycassilly: how do we proceed? Where i'm asking you, What do you want to do?

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barrycassilly: You're the chair.

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Michael Jensen: So I think what I might do, because I can appreciate. This is a lot of text to digest.

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Michael Jensen: The I. I think what I want to do is.

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Michael Jensen: Um,

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Michael Jensen: Maybe I will try and create like a comment portal,

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Michael Jensen: so that

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Michael Jensen: basically we can rather than just like, try and get everyone to like show up for a meeting and submit comments like we'll just take it on. I mean, I think I can probably set up a Google form

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barrycassilly: um that can get people to identify the section they want to comment on and take a comment. And that way I can sort of aggregate a bunch of stuff to a meeting which may make this easier to put together like a red line of these changes.

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jim murez: Mikkel, I need to interrupt you.

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jim murez: Sorry, um! That would be a violation of the Brown Act. If you're going to take a vote on it,

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Michael Jensen: take a vote on what?

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jim murez: On any comments that were put on to a bulletin board.

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Michael Jensen: I'm not taking any.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, People post information into a Google form. The city has already said, You can't do that.

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Michael Jensen: So i'm just I can't take comment, publish the comment, and then use it at a meeting.

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jim murez: You can take them to you directly, but you cannot take them to something that's being shared on the web.

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jim murez: You can't share it with with with your committee.

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jim murez: It would be creating a serial meeting

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jim murez: it would be. It would be making people aware of something before it became officially, publicly announced.

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Michael Jensen: But I can take hold on, Jim, because I

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jim murez: We can talk to Freddy about it, but it's already been ruled in the past, that you can't do that

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Michael Jensen: so I can't solicit public comment for something on a rolling basis.

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Michael Jensen: Compile all of those comments, and put them out in with the agenda.

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Michael Jensen: You could put them out in the agenda, but you can't publish them to the rest of the committee, and to the general public.

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Michael Jensen: But if but i'm putting them out with the agenda, so it's going to the general public.

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jim murez: Correct at the time you publish the agenda. You can do it, but you can't do it on any kind of a Google form or a doc where it's visible what other people have already posted, because then you're creating a new meeting.

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Michael Jensen: I don't think that's what I was suggesting, but

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barrycassilly: and let me just let me just rent you another thing. Several times. You've said the specific plan. The document that you were sharing on the screen was the certified landing.

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jim murez: It said so at the bottom of the page if you scroll down,

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Michael Jensen: and that's that's a big difference, because the land use planets would get certified by the Coastal Commission,

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barrycassilly: and the specific plan is the city ordinance. So the city ordinance regulates what the city is, and is not allowed to do the land Use plan regularly. I'm sorry. Yes, I miss folk. Thank you for correcting me.

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jim murez: Get

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barrycassilly: Mckayl again. How would you like to proceed? We would like to hear?

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Michael Jensen: So i'm going to

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Michael Jensen: hold on a second. I'm just going to

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thank you, bye,

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Michael Jensen: So i'm going to proceed. I I mean, i'm assuming what I have in mind is is allowed into the brown. I guess i'll check with our

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Michael Jensen: with our done person, but i'd like to create some kind of

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Michael Jensen: pathway for comments that get submitted in writing. I will compile them I won't share them with anyone until I publish them to the public. But that way we can at least I think get stuff in bite-sized pieces. That might be because I mean otherwise. We're going to sit here for three hours and go through these

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Michael Jensen: full of points and say, do we like them or not. And i'm happy. I mean we can do that if you guys want to spend the next hour seeing how far we get through and say, do we like this? Do we not like this? But again we can't. There's no motion on Calendar yet

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Michael Jensen: this so it's mostly just, you know. We sort of be just having an exercise in

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Michael Jensen: in

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Michael Jensen: and commenting on stuff.

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Michael Jensen: Um!

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Christopher McLean: Is this going to result in a local coastal program at the end of the whole processing and everything. Is that what you were getting at?

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Michael Jensen: So it right now they're going through and updating it.

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Michael Jensen: Um! And so

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Michael Jensen: there's sort of multiple steps to this. But you know the the first one is having a new land use plan. Then after that, you know that's sort of like the policy document, and then they have the implementation plan,

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Michael Jensen: which is what we're missing right now, and that's where it gets a little more specific, although I would say that our lup is somewhat specific. If you look at it, I mean it gets into fairly

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Michael Jensen: specific, you know, building standards and height and density and that kind of stuff. So

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Michael Jensen: to the extent that that one gives you a pretty good envelope, I think it does. But

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Michael Jensen: whatever

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Michael Jensen: So yeah, I mean, I don't think we want to sit here for two hours and go through bullet by bullet,

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Michael Jensen: would say So let me. I guess i'm gonna see if I can set up this sort of like

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Michael Jensen: online survey type thing

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Michael Jensen: um, and get something that will aggregate comments. And then we can post them all at once, and and that will sort of drive. How we come up with an amendment. Does that sound good to everyone, Barry? You sound like you had something else in mind.

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barrycassilly: No, no, I don't care. I want to do what you want to do. I just,

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barrycassilly: you know, just want to move forward with that, and I think that's a great idea to get some comments that can drive board discussion. Um! We should be considered of the comments. I think it's a great way to go.

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Mehrnoosh Mojallali: But I also want to make sure that we are driving people, making people aware that this is we're asking for their feedback. So if there's a way that we can solicit additional eyes and ears beyond the participants and attendees. That would be great.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah, I think it would be a better. Yeah, that's also a way to get, you know,

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Michael Jensen: beyond the four or five people that come to land use meetings because it's a lot easier to shoot a quick email or fill out a You know

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Michael Jensen: little survey thing, and I will also get you

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Michael Jensen: Seema, who's the outreach person to help us also drive traffic to it. Chris, Is your hand up for a new time, or is it the old sorry?

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Michael Jensen: No, It's okay. Um,

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Um.

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Michael Jensen: So thank you. Thank you everyone. We are through the agenda. So with that we will adjourn.

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barrycassilly: Thank you, Mikhail. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good night. We really appreciate it.

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Michael Jensen: Really appreciate your help.

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barrycassilly: I like it.

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Christopher McLean: I did have one question about my that Friday.