WEBVTT 1 00:00:28.230 --> 00:00:29.100 alyson wilson: hi Jen. 2 00:00:29.460 --> 00:00:31.110 jim murez: hi sorry about that i'm late. 3 00:00:32.880 --> 00:00:34.140 robertthibodeau: hey hi allison. 4 00:00:34.500 --> 00:00:37.470 alyson wilson: hi I can't lie. 5 00:00:38.850 --> 00:00:40.170 robertthibodeau: I am now that i'm. 6 00:00:40.230 --> 00:00:41.250 alyson wilson: Now, who you are. 7 00:00:41.370 --> 00:00:45.330 robertthibodeau: um hey and Evan I know is trying to get in Oregon. 8 00:00:48.720 --> 00:00:52.740 robertthibodeau: And I don't know hopefully Liz is trying to get on and. 9 00:00:54.780 --> 00:00:57.000 robertthibodeau: selena yeah there's have been good. 10 00:00:58.140 --> 00:00:59.250 robertthibodeau: I think we have a quorum. 11 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:06.450 jim murez: So that's everybody's in now. 12 00:01:07.170 --> 00:01:11.040 robertthibodeau: No selena and no Oh, I see selena And what about. 13 00:01:12.150 --> 00:01:15.090 jim murez: that's all there is there's nobody else listed okay. 14 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:15.540 robertthibodeau: Let me. 15 00:01:16.470 --> 00:01:17.610 robertthibodeau: i'm going to painless. 16 00:01:24.420 --> 00:01:26.100 jim murez: yeah I was doing dishes I forgot. 17 00:01:26.700 --> 00:01:29.040 robertthibodeau: dude it's Okay, you know we all have lives. 18 00:01:42.570 --> 00:01:44.100 robertthibodeau: Okay, I just wrote the text. 19 00:01:51.540 --> 00:01:53.160 jim murez: Do you want to be host or co host. 20 00:01:57.690 --> 00:02:00.180 robertthibodeau: It depends if you're going to hang out, I mean if you're going to hang out. 21 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:01.290 robertthibodeau: It doesn't matter. 22 00:02:01.320 --> 00:02:02.160 But uh. 23 00:02:04.530 --> 00:02:06.240 jim murez: i'll make you a Co host for now and then. 24 00:02:07.380 --> 00:02:09.300 jim murez: If I decide to leave, I will. 25 00:02:11.040 --> 00:02:11.880 jim murez: turn it over to you. 26 00:02:15.540 --> 00:02:17.040 jim murez: I think I hear a little person. 27 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.870 alyson wilson: That you're hearing foxy I can't believe you can hear me was like across the House but. 28 00:02:21.930 --> 00:02:23.550 jim murez: we're sure I know I like it. 29 00:02:28.020 --> 00:02:31.440 jim murez: there's Simon audiences assignment here for you. 30 00:02:33.720 --> 00:02:35.220 robertthibodeau: Evidence Simon here for us. 31 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:37.290 Evan Corrigan: Maybe. 32 00:02:38.790 --> 00:02:41.760 robertthibodeau: We should have hopefully we have. 33 00:02:44.310 --> 00:02:45.540 robertthibodeau: Hopefully we have. 34 00:02:47.190 --> 00:02:48.600 robertthibodeau: Daniel socks. 35 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:51.600 robertthibodeau: Brian. 36 00:02:53.430 --> 00:02:57.360 robertthibodeau: what's his name Oh, Brian was gonna Sean o'brien was going to be on two. 37 00:03:01.590 --> 00:03:04.380 robertthibodeau: Ladies least he said he was going to be on because he's got an item on here. 38 00:03:06.180 --> 00:03:09.480 Evan Corrigan: Daniel can't make it today, I think he said that an email. 39 00:03:09.510 --> 00:03:11.880 Evan Corrigan: But okay that's why we talked before him. 40 00:03:12.990 --> 00:03:14.970 robertthibodeau: You know, Daniel stuff that's fine. 41 00:03:16.410 --> 00:03:22.200 robertthibodeau: Or, if you want to find it until Daniel can be here that's fine too, but i'm i'm good, however, you want to do it. 42 00:03:25.890 --> 00:03:27.240 Evan Corrigan: Today, I think it makes sense. 43 00:03:28.260 --> 00:03:38.640 robertthibodeau: Okay, so uh if I think if Elizabeth shows apple will let her in we'll keep an eye out for that and I just texted her. 44 00:03:39.780 --> 00:03:51.360 robertthibodeau: Meeting exclamation point, but I think we should start this meeting and it's not going to be as long as it looks because a lot of these are items that are sort of leftover from before that will sort of just gloss over so. 45 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:55.770 robertthibodeau: Despite the impressive five page agenda. 46 00:03:57.990 --> 00:04:00.600 robertthibodeau: And I think we'll move pretty quick. 47 00:04:02.220 --> 00:04:14.400 robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's call role and hey Evan do you or do you want to do notes, as far as you know, I didn't I didn't get the meeting notes APP for last time I think I took them. 48 00:04:15.540 --> 00:04:17.310 robertthibodeau: But I got to find him and. 49 00:04:19.440 --> 00:04:21.540 Evan Corrigan: i've never done notes before but. 50 00:04:21.750 --> 00:04:22.170 robertthibodeau: Okay. 51 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:23.010 robertthibodeau: You know what. 52 00:04:24.420 --> 00:04:26.520 robertthibodeau: i'll do notes so that's. 53 00:04:29.880 --> 00:04:35.610 robertthibodeau: Jim can I use your little formula thing, can I just go on to the agenda and check the boxes like you always do. 54 00:04:37.020 --> 00:04:39.420 jim murez: you'd have to create your agenda, using the tool. 55 00:04:40.740 --> 00:04:42.420 jim murez: Next time i'll show you how to do it. 56 00:04:42.750 --> 00:04:43.920 jim murez: it's easy to do. 57 00:04:44.340 --> 00:04:45.870 robertthibodeau: Then i'm going to do it by hand. 58 00:04:46.020 --> 00:04:54.030 robertthibodeau: Okay, we are calling in the order that they are on the list, Robert tiptoe here so we're gonna go. 59 00:04:54.060 --> 00:04:59.160 robertthibodeau: Evan Corrigan here oh sorry, you should say here. 60 00:05:01.200 --> 00:05:02.370 robertthibodeau: allison Wilson. 61 00:05:02.850 --> 00:05:03.330 here. 62 00:05:05.010 --> 00:05:08.010 robertthibodeau: selena, how do you pronounce your last name new way. 63 00:05:08.700 --> 00:05:09.330 Selena Inouye: No way. 64 00:05:09.870 --> 00:05:10.500 robertthibodeau: No way. 65 00:05:11.430 --> 00:05:12.030 Selena Inouye: And i'm here. 66 00:05:12.630 --> 00:05:16.920 robertthibodeau: you're here and Elizabeth quite is not tears were put in a down for. 67 00:05:18.180 --> 00:05:19.770 robertthibodeau: him your is your. 68 00:05:20.910 --> 00:05:22.020 robertthibodeau: gym your is. 69 00:05:22.950 --> 00:05:23.370 Yes. 70 00:05:25.680 --> 00:05:29.520 robertthibodeau: Okay, so that's a call that's the. 71 00:05:33.450 --> 00:05:35.550 jim murez: shot I do see the shadow Brian showed up. 72 00:05:35.670 --> 00:05:36.450 jim murez: Just so you know. 73 00:05:36.750 --> 00:05:37.320 robertthibodeau: hey Sean. 74 00:05:39.360 --> 00:05:42.060 jim murez: yeah you pretty easy to see a panelist or seen attendee. 75 00:05:42.840 --> 00:05:45.180 robertthibodeau: calling this to order it 714. 76 00:05:47.040 --> 00:05:54.990 robertthibodeau: he's in it to end for now and we'll do panelists when his item comes out we'll try and do early on, for the sake of getting it done. 77 00:05:57.570 --> 00:05:59.340 robertthibodeau: Okay number so. 78 00:06:00.990 --> 00:06:18.840 robertthibodeau: call to order roll call, we did that 714 and then review comment and adopt minutes from prior meeting I wish we could do that but I didn't write them up so we're not going to do that we'll have to double next time and i'll figure out how to do that I haven't done it personally a. 79 00:06:20.310 --> 00:06:21.450 robertthibodeau: Public comment. 80 00:06:23.400 --> 00:06:28.020 robertthibodeau: Non agenda items related to parking and transportation committee only. 81 00:06:29.670 --> 00:06:34.410 robertthibodeau: So do we have any public comment you. 82 00:06:35.070 --> 00:06:38.550 jim murez: there's there's two attendees nobody has their hands up. 83 00:06:40.980 --> 00:06:42.210 robertthibodeau: mark and I not see this. 84 00:06:44.400 --> 00:06:45.990 jim murez: If you go down to the bottom, where it. 85 00:06:46.710 --> 00:06:50.370 jim murez: Has the thing that says participants and you click on that. 86 00:06:52.080 --> 00:06:58.170 jim murez: And then you click on the side that says attendees there's two tabs our panelists and attendees if you click on the attendee town. 87 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:03.600 jim murez: You find it. 88 00:07:04.020 --> 00:07:11.610 robertthibodeau: yeah okay good Simon and shawna brian's young hello, both of you okay so seeing no comments we're going to move on. 89 00:07:16.500 --> 00:07:24.480 robertthibodeau: or business I don't think we've got anything to discuss in the Community plan this meeting, because that would probably be me and I have been lagging. 90 00:07:26.190 --> 00:07:35.700 robertthibodeau: But we should do this, we should do this, this is on my to do list, while we're still this term Kim when does this term in. 91 00:07:36.960 --> 00:07:37.980 jim murez: July. 92 00:07:39.000 --> 00:07:41.820 robertthibodeau: July of next year yeah Oh, we gotta walk. 93 00:07:42.930 --> 00:07:44.310 jim murez: yeah well you got a lot. 94 00:07:44.340 --> 00:07:45.510 robertthibodeau: To get it done anyways. 95 00:07:45.690 --> 00:07:49.950 jim murez: yeah you have a lot to do in the Community plan, if you want to you know get involved in it. 96 00:07:50.160 --> 00:08:00.480 robertthibodeau: Well it's the only I marked up and we had a couple of meetings we had to discussions on Community plan and we did do a markup but yeah we put it into emotion yet with. 97 00:08:01.500 --> 00:08:02.310 robertthibodeau: plausible. 98 00:08:03.570 --> 00:08:04.350 robertthibodeau: suggestion. 99 00:08:04.410 --> 00:08:14.940 jim murez: yeah I would suggest if you're going to try and introduce things to the board as Community plan proposals or revisions, whatever we want to call them. 100 00:08:15.330 --> 00:08:27.150 jim murez: That you do it a little bit at a time, because if you present everything all at once, I suspect that it will be extremely overwhelming and people want to understand what you're talking about. 101 00:08:27.690 --> 00:08:42.810 robertthibodeau: Okay, I was going to try and somewhat formalized things I was going to work with Mike mchale Jensen, a little bit, although i'm not working on bill form i'm talking about parking and transportation related streets and stuff. 102 00:08:46.050 --> 00:08:49.200 jim murez: You might want to also work with the arbor committee. 103 00:08:49.500 --> 00:08:49.950 robertthibodeau: and 104 00:08:50.340 --> 00:08:52.320 jim murez: They do street trees and things like that. 105 00:08:53.430 --> 00:08:54.090 jim murez: streetscape. 106 00:08:55.560 --> 00:09:03.240 robertthibodeau: Okay yeah yeah maybe um and then I was going to invite Christine because I know pretty well. 107 00:09:04.290 --> 00:09:08.100 robertthibodeau: So Okay, moving on from Community planning because we're not discussing an. 108 00:09:09.780 --> 00:09:21.540 robertthibodeau: update on the lapd water pipeline project hey can one of you committee members, take it upon themselves to either go back into old notes or talk to Jim year as. 109 00:09:23.250 --> 00:09:32.280 robertthibodeau: And figure out who we need to talk to you about led wp water pipeline and then keep us updated on it and it that'd be somebody not me. 110 00:09:34.830 --> 00:09:36.000 robertthibodeau: Seeing no hands. 111 00:09:38.640 --> 00:09:45.090 robertthibodeau: i'm talking about just like if there's a street closure, can we get on like a list at La dwp so we get notified like. 112 00:09:46.020 --> 00:09:56.910 robertthibodeau: When there's street closure, because I think he should be working on this is supposed to be happening, I think, largely up by Pacific card they replacing all the storm drains up there, the. 113 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:02.220 jim murez: know, I think that the big water pipeline project, the dwp is doing is going down speedway. 114 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:04.320 jim murez: you're. 115 00:10:05.010 --> 00:10:06.090 robertthibodeau: Not Pacific okay. 116 00:10:06.600 --> 00:10:08.190 jim murez: No there's the dual force. 117 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:10.770 jim murez: sewer line. 118 00:10:11.520 --> 00:10:12.570 robertthibodeau: yeah I thought they're doing seven. 119 00:10:13.110 --> 00:10:15.510 robertthibodeau: Around brooks and Pacific, but maybe i'm wrong. 120 00:10:18.510 --> 00:10:19.620 robertthibodeau: Okay, whatever. 121 00:10:19.800 --> 00:10:31.740 robertthibodeau: we're moving on from number five number six public works streets services recognition, we already voted on that So what we need to do now is we voted affirmative on that and we need somebody to. 122 00:10:33.210 --> 00:10:45.330 robertthibodeau: need somebody to submit a budget and things so we all said yay and I think the board the dnc said yay and we probably have to submit something to. 123 00:10:46.710 --> 00:10:55.860 robertthibodeau: Jay for whatever the 50 bucks it's going to cost $100 for a little frame certificate of appreciation anybody want to take that on. 124 00:10:58.860 --> 00:11:00.660 alyson wilson: You need a pink seven. 125 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:01.980 Evan Corrigan: If you. 126 00:11:03.690 --> 00:11:07.500 robertthibodeau: Were were you gonna say allison, we need to and just We just need like a little goal. 127 00:11:09.090 --> 00:11:14.400 robertthibodeau: scripted thing saying Venice neighborhood Council recognizes your service to the community. 128 00:11:15.660 --> 00:11:17.220 alyson wilson: that's nice yeah i'm just. 129 00:11:20.040 --> 00:11:28.890 robertthibodeau: I think there's Standard forms, because I looked it up for a second team up on a cycle example, and I would imagine there are other companies that also. 130 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:32.610 robertthibodeau: Have sort of standard appreciation and recognition forums. 131 00:11:33.840 --> 00:11:35.130 robertthibodeau: Think that's appropriate Jim. 132 00:11:36.390 --> 00:11:37.650 jim murez: yeah I think you know you. 133 00:11:37.800 --> 00:11:41.910 jim murez: Probably even get the Council Office to do it, or the mayor's office or something. 134 00:11:43.980 --> 00:11:44.340 robertthibodeau: yeah. 135 00:11:45.510 --> 00:11:47.880 robertthibodeau: Okay, or we could do it ourselves. 136 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:52.050 jim murez: yeah you can do it yourself, so I think you know any of those things are perfectly acceptable. 137 00:11:52.530 --> 00:11:53.940 robertthibodeau: So you want to look at that allison. 138 00:11:54.270 --> 00:11:59.160 alyson wilson: I totally can can you have the Info i'd love to do it, though, and help. 139 00:12:00.330 --> 00:12:03.300 alyson wilson: me with just some some details like the name and all that. 140 00:12:05.670 --> 00:12:10.830 robertthibodeau: it's the name is a department of public works street services Venice yard. 141 00:12:12.930 --> 00:12:22.650 robertthibodeau: I don't have specific people's names over there, I think I have in the past, but I don't it was too too long ago for me to still have those contacts, but I think we could just say call it that. 142 00:12:23.040 --> 00:12:25.920 robertthibodeau: You want me to repeat that you got. 143 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:27.510 alyson wilson: out my pan got it now. 144 00:12:28.230 --> 00:12:28.620 robertthibodeau: I do. 145 00:12:29.940 --> 00:12:36.240 robertthibodeau: And then I think what we had said was something about a certificate of appreciation for. 146 00:12:37.350 --> 00:12:44.820 robertthibodeau: You know services during co bid and the homeless crisis, I don't know if we need to say that, but keeping you know I don't know your lover. 147 00:12:44.940 --> 00:12:45.960 come up with something off. 148 00:12:47.610 --> 00:12:51.180 robertthibodeau: And I think the standard forms already kind of have a format to them when I looked him up. 149 00:12:53.010 --> 00:13:00.810 robertthibodeau: yeah I think it'd be cool because I think that those guys have got to have a tough job anyways we voted, we voted in favor of it, I don't know if you were here, not for that mean. 150 00:13:00.810 --> 00:13:01.620 alyson wilson: Yes, I was. 151 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:04.770 robertthibodeau: And now we need to follow up by actually. 152 00:13:05.970 --> 00:13:16.920 robertthibodeau: Maybe presenting it during the dnc meeting there around the corner from me down here, so I could go knock on the door and tell them show up at the dnc meeting get somebody card and tell me Bob on. 153 00:13:17.610 --> 00:13:18.120 But uh. 154 00:13:19.710 --> 00:13:20.040 robertthibodeau: Okay. 155 00:13:20.370 --> 00:13:21.000 Robert. 156 00:13:22.230 --> 00:13:32.460 jim murez: I just found the dwp pipeline thing, can I just share my screen real quick and i'll give you an idea of what you're talking about and then it'll be included in the video that. 157 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:40.230 jim murez: Can you see that. 158 00:13:43.080 --> 00:13:44.970 jim murez: Can Can you see my share screen. 159 00:13:45.240 --> 00:13:46.440 robertthibodeau: mm hmm yes, we can. 160 00:13:46.590 --> 00:13:58.890 jim murez: Okay, so it looks like this Deborah Hong is the person that's the lead contact and they're calling it the speedway mainline project update they go through some documentation here. 161 00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:04.680 jim murez: And they presented a little picture to us this was back in February. 162 00:14:05.790 --> 00:14:07.950 jim murez: This was the last time we actually heard from them. 163 00:14:09.330 --> 00:14:13.620 jim murez: I know that they did have a contact they talk about what they're going to be doing. 164 00:14:15.870 --> 00:14:17.520 robertthibodeau: Can you can you scroll back to the map. 165 00:14:17.910 --> 00:14:22.560 jim murez: yeah hang on one second Okay, there are now i'm at the end of the message, so let me scroll back to them out. 166 00:14:24.030 --> 00:14:24.450 robertthibodeau: mm hmm. 167 00:14:25.050 --> 00:14:27.750 jim murez: So yeah there's there's phase one phase two. 168 00:14:27.780 --> 00:14:30.240 robertthibodeau: Phase today speedway you're right yeah yeah. 169 00:14:31.860 --> 00:14:35.040 jim murez: yeah and so here are the email addresses right here. 170 00:14:35.400 --> 00:14:35.730 robertthibodeau: mm hmm. 171 00:14:36.600 --> 00:14:41.880 jim murez: If anybody wants to get in touch with them, and if you want, I can forward you this message you were on a message. 172 00:14:42.390 --> 00:14:45.810 jim murez: yeah you were copied on this message sometime after this. 173 00:14:45.870 --> 00:14:59.580 robertthibodeau: This message and I wrote deborah's email down again in hand by hand, so I will i'll find this and all all i'm just going to ask them if they could just keep us updated on progress and street closures. 174 00:14:59.760 --> 00:15:00.840 jim murez: So we got you could put your. 175 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:10.410 jim murez: website, if you find out about something that people might be interested in you could always share it with the outreach committee and they could in turn share it. 176 00:15:12.930 --> 00:15:18.990 jim murez: As well with with the rest of the Community yeah you I sent you the message forwarded you the message back around three one. 177 00:15:20.970 --> 00:15:25.320 jim murez: That would be you know look looking your march calendar or your mark year march email messages. 178 00:15:25.800 --> 00:15:28.440 robertthibodeau: That was right not to go to one. 179 00:15:29.400 --> 00:15:30.630 jim murez: To two to correct. 180 00:15:30.960 --> 00:15:32.970 robertthibodeau: and go, I will do that thanks Jim. 181 00:15:35.220 --> 00:15:39.990 robertthibodeau: Houston Wilson bike lanes, I think we just got skip over this for now right. 182 00:15:41.280 --> 00:15:44.670 robertthibodeau: Houston never showed up right he's never showed up to one of the meetings. 183 00:15:45.690 --> 00:15:58.890 robertthibodeau: He contacted me that's why it's on here okay so i'm going to actually strike this for now unless unless he wants to get it together and Abbot kinney traffic slowing so i'm going to turn it over to Evan. 184 00:16:00.630 --> 00:16:01.620 robertthibodeau: you've been talking to Daniel. 185 00:16:02.550 --> 00:16:15.990 Evan Corrigan: yeah so I mean the the issue brought up as basically kind of speeding between the Abbot kinney section between Venice and Washington and then also some side streets that kind of have. 186 00:16:16.950 --> 00:16:18.990 Evan Corrigan: You know they're kind of like wide. 187 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:25.020 Evan Corrigan: entrances that funnel in so people kind of speed off of Abbot kinney into some of those streets. 188 00:16:27.240 --> 00:16:40.470 Evan Corrigan: So he was just trying to find a way to make that a bit calmer and safer and you know get cars to kind of go the Posted I think 30 mile an hour speed limit. 189 00:16:41.340 --> 00:16:49.740 Evan Corrigan: So that was one issue, the other issue was the crosswalk at mar and now but Kenny, I don't know if you guys aren't familiar with that. 190 00:16:51.240 --> 00:17:00.540 Evan Corrigan: Mara is that kind of street parallel to Abbot kinney I think I think it turns into Oxford, or is it still more I don't know. 191 00:17:02.580 --> 00:17:06.030 Evan Corrigan: So there's no sidewalks on that little turn and. 192 00:17:07.890 --> 00:17:22.740 Evan Corrigan: Then the crosswalk I think it's it's not like a traffic signal it's like kind of a push button blinky yellow lights crosswalk and a lot of people don't stop and and residents around don't feel comfortable kind of crossing there. 193 00:17:24.060 --> 00:17:25.890 Evan Corrigan: So that's the other big issue. 194 00:17:27.510 --> 00:17:32.070 Evan Corrigan: I actually talked to Eric burns at CD 11 today, like the transportation director. 195 00:17:33.180 --> 00:17:41.970 Evan Corrigan: And he pretty much said what you said, Robert was like you know, we should think about it, discuss it and come up with like a wish list or like what we might like to see. 196 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:43.830 Evan Corrigan: me go to them. 197 00:17:45.960 --> 00:18:02.520 robertthibodeau: So i'm i'm happy to help with that Evan I thought that collaboration last time was really good if selena or allison is wants to you know weigh in on that too, I mean more than welcome to give it up as well, but um. 198 00:18:03.930 --> 00:18:12.600 robertthibodeau: The from what I remember before we you know the conversations were sort of like you know dedicated bike lanes to maybe. 199 00:18:14.280 --> 00:18:17.520 robertthibodeau: Make the traffic lanes a little bit smaller so they slow down. 200 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:20.340 robertthibodeau: And then. 201 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:25.320 robertthibodeau: You know each things its own project in a way, even though they're all. 202 00:18:26.340 --> 00:18:26.760 robertthibodeau: Part of. 203 00:18:26.790 --> 00:18:40.230 robertthibodeau: The same script you know the mark things kind of like that could be taken on as sort of like an individual project i'm pretty familiar with that corner cuz I used to live on Mars, now the Cross street but, and then I think he was talking about woodlawn also. 204 00:18:42.690 --> 00:18:44.130 robertthibodeau: So you know. 205 00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:55.260 robertthibodeau: i'm talking about additional stop signage or what you'd be talking about you know I doubt they're gonna let you do speed humps anymore cuz. 206 00:18:56.610 --> 00:18:59.070 robertthibodeau: All the fire trucks is that stretch but um. 207 00:19:01.110 --> 00:19:04.350 Evan Corrigan: Does that stretch get traffic ever backed up. 208 00:19:04.650 --> 00:19:05.160 robertthibodeau: Which one. 209 00:19:05.850 --> 00:19:08.520 Evan Corrigan: Is the Abbot kinney between medicine Washington. 210 00:19:08.700 --> 00:19:10.020 Evan Corrigan: Oh yeah yeah. 211 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:13.830 robertthibodeau: uh huh yeah northbound in the morning and cell phone at night it's Pack. 212 00:19:15.360 --> 00:19:22.110 robertthibodeau: yeah significant backups at the Washington light and significant backups at the Venice light in the morning. 213 00:19:25.050 --> 00:19:29.040 robertthibodeau: Not huge and but yeah not like Lincoln but but yeah. 214 00:19:31.140 --> 00:19:36.240 jim murez: If I could interject something also I was chairing the Committee at the time that the more. 215 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:47.580 jim murez: pedestrian crossing was put in, and we were quite hard on that subsequent to that there used to be a little French market that was there in the building on the Northern side. 216 00:19:48.270 --> 00:20:02.550 jim murez: And I actually worked on the right of way that exists behind the property that almost nobody knows, is there, but the pedestrian crossing between that neighborhood and the next one, over which is the the whatever they call it silver triangle area. 217 00:20:03.450 --> 00:20:04.230 robertthibodeau: Little path. 218 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.800 jim murez: yeah there's a little path In between there and and. 219 00:20:08.940 --> 00:20:21.180 jim murez: it's an interesting problem, the the reason that there's no sidewalk on the North side is because it's a commercial property and they own all the way up to the curb line when. 220 00:20:21.210 --> 00:20:23.730 robertthibodeau: They just residential, on the other side of the street. 221 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:39.660 jim murez: Because it is on the South side was just going to bring that up, but I was going to finish my explanation on the other side, we just recently myself, along with some of the the neighborhood property owners matt Royce who's used to be, Chair of Luke packet now he's a member of loop back. 222 00:20:40.710 --> 00:20:49.440 jim murez: He and I have long conversations with the new development that went in on the North side they wanted to put their bike racks in that area. 223 00:20:49.980 --> 00:20:55.320 jim murez: Directly behind them on mar and we said no, no, no, no, no, you can't be pulling your bicycle bicycles. 224 00:20:55.620 --> 00:21:03.990 jim murez: off of that little teeny pavement strip that you have right under your stairway there and backing them out into the street on on Mars that just doesn't work. 225 00:21:04.350 --> 00:21:14.190 jim murez: that's going to be a big hazard, so they agreed to do that and then move their bicycle racks round of the other side on the South side if I was to just quickly share the screen. 226 00:21:16.620 --> 00:21:18.900 jim murez: I don't know, are you is everybody familiar with seamless. 227 00:21:19.560 --> 00:21:20.610 jim murez: As soon so so. 228 00:21:21.000 --> 00:21:24.570 jim murez: This is the intersection you can see avid Kenny, you can see mar. 229 00:21:25.920 --> 00:21:37.620 jim murez: The interesting thing is, is that if I turn off the the overlay map, you can see that this personal number four is the property and you can see their property lines very clearly cut out. 230 00:21:38.490 --> 00:21:45.000 jim murez: You can also see the property line on the North side over here, is where the bicycles we're going to be put in along this pink area, right here. 231 00:21:45.510 --> 00:21:59.190 jim murez: But when I go back to the ortho view or the the view, where you can actually see where the Bush is currently are there is actually space on the South side to continue the sidewalk. 232 00:22:00.570 --> 00:22:12.150 jim murez: All along the side of the property until you get around to the very tip now the very tip you know if I move the map over the street starts getting a little bit wider here. 233 00:22:12.750 --> 00:22:19.320 jim murez: So, then the question would be is is do you push a little walkway I was talking about so over here. 234 00:22:20.190 --> 00:22:27.870 jim murez: So that's so over this way here and there's actually a public right away along this back strip right here that almost nobody knows exists, but it does. 235 00:22:28.260 --> 00:22:34.260 jim murez: But anyway, so this public passageway is right here, this is actually public parking I think out here. 236 00:22:35.070 --> 00:22:43.020 jim murez: But it's possible that maybe the street could be realigned where this this radius right here can be pushed back to the property line. 237 00:22:43.440 --> 00:22:54.780 jim murez: And then, this radius over on the opposite side could actually be extended out to get a sidewalk curb and gutter around this corner, at the same time, and once it comes back over to this point here. 238 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:09.570 jim murez: Then you can see it starts to have enough space that there is actually a space there for a walking path, so it is possible to put in a proposal to realign that that you know it's like a dead man's corner there. 239 00:23:10.590 --> 00:23:18.780 jim murez: But to create the sidewalk and certainly to put the proposal out there, I mean I don't think anything would happen during this Council. 240 00:23:19.860 --> 00:23:31.230 jim murez: office but certainly in the next Council Office, this is the kind of stuff that you know if the neighborhood Council was to make a strong recommendation that gee, this is a public safety issue. 241 00:23:32.070 --> 00:23:47.760 jim murez: The crosswalk itself is considered part of a school crossing, and it goes to a street where there is no sidewalk These are the kinds of arguments that could be made that might be very, very, very you know promising to getting. 242 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:53.100 jim murez: la do T to actually get off their ass and do something for us for a change. 243 00:23:53.910 --> 00:24:03.810 robertthibodeau: So this looks like a book with a couple of chapters, I mean you know there's going to be the general Abbot kinney portion there's going to be the mark portion and then there might be ancillary other portions and. 244 00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:14.130 robertthibodeau: I don't mind taking on stringing together like I did before the zoom is maps and then starting to make some arrows that. 245 00:24:14.460 --> 00:24:27.540 robertthibodeau: point to certain things and things that we would like and then maybe we can discuss that next meeting, I know Evan was quite good at taking that and turning that into actually a coherent presentation last time on Lincoln and. 246 00:24:28.590 --> 00:24:30.780 robertthibodeau: You know so maybe we. 247 00:24:32.370 --> 00:24:34.080 alyson wilson: Say okay we're interested in. 248 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:34.560 robertthibodeau: This. 249 00:24:34.650 --> 00:24:36.600 jim murez: and Robert, let me just let me just mentioned i've. 250 00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:39.630 jim murez: done these kinds of things and gotten do it to do them before. 251 00:24:39.870 --> 00:24:46.590 jim murez: yeah intersections of advocacy in maine and Hampton and brooks and and electric all those intersections. 252 00:24:46.980 --> 00:24:53.850 jim murez: I basically took a map like this, even this one and just took a pencil and and threw it out with a red pencil. 253 00:24:54.180 --> 00:24:59.550 jim murez: And said, you know here, what if we were to do this and sat there with the engineer, and they walked away and they came back with. 254 00:24:59.910 --> 00:25:04.320 jim murez: an actual engineer design and they came back and said well if you can find somebody to pay for it. 255 00:25:04.800 --> 00:25:15.030 jim murez: And, and so in this case, I would say let's push back after they come back with a design that they actually say oh yeah well, we could rely on the streets like this, and it would actually work. 256 00:25:15.390 --> 00:25:25.980 jim murez: right if we did that, then we could go back to do it at that point to the Commission and say look, you know tell us what it's going to cost and you guys COP up the money right. 257 00:25:26.550 --> 00:25:27.150 robertthibodeau: You have money. 258 00:25:27.660 --> 00:25:30.180 robertthibodeau: yeah okay well. 259 00:25:30.270 --> 00:25:35.490 jim murez: And that's probably not that expensive of a project I would be surprised if it costs more than 50 grand. 260 00:25:38.010 --> 00:25:39.600 robertthibodeau: Everything customer now. 261 00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:40.410 um. 262 00:25:44.700 --> 00:25:54.630 robertthibodeau: yeah anyways okay let's move on to the next one and we'll just continue to cite them until next time because there's certainly no motion that we're ready for right now. 263 00:25:56.160 --> 00:25:58.260 robertthibodeau: So look at that two pages stand. 264 00:26:01.500 --> 00:26:10.650 robertthibodeau: Oh i'm gonna put this up in front of Evan again okay Kevin Can you give us an update on your conversations on the link and fast forward slash Lincoln beautification. 265 00:26:11.310 --> 00:26:15.300 Evan Corrigan: I just wonder if there's somebody kalani had her hand up, I was wondering if there's oh. 266 00:26:15.330 --> 00:26:17.550 robertthibodeau: yeah let's get kalani sanda let's. 267 00:26:17.850 --> 00:26:19.110 Go on, he did you want to talk. 268 00:26:20.160 --> 00:26:22.050 robertthibodeau: allow her to talk or. 269 00:26:24.600 --> 00:26:25.530 Kalani W (MDR): Yes, Hello. 270 00:26:25.830 --> 00:26:27.990 Kalani W (MDR): Yes, if I could. 271 00:26:29.370 --> 00:26:42.510 Kalani W (MDR): I would urge putting a hold on any bike lanes throughout the city, I mean i'm sure all of you have noticed that very few people these days are actually riding. 272 00:26:42.990 --> 00:27:00.780 Kalani W (MDR): bicycles that they're peddling themselves until the city comes up with a viable plan on what to do with battery operated bicycles skateboards one wheelers unit cycles, everything is being. 273 00:27:02.010 --> 00:27:02.490 Kalani W (MDR): entered. 274 00:27:04.350 --> 00:27:05.370 robertthibodeau: motorized right. 275 00:27:05.430 --> 00:27:10.530 Kalani W (MDR): motorized by batteries and these these propelled. 276 00:27:12.270 --> 00:27:27.360 Kalani W (MDR): Vehicles or modes of movement are able to achieve at almost over 30 miles an hour, they are a safety concern on bike lanes and. 277 00:27:27.870 --> 00:27:36.690 Kalani W (MDR): Two other cyclists, the few that are remaining who are actually peddling their bikes and people who may be walking. 278 00:27:37.530 --> 00:27:58.140 Kalani W (MDR): On the bike paths, so I really would like the city to put a moratorium on more bike lanes until the our city leaders come down come up with stringent controls on what to do and how to separate battery operated. 279 00:27:59.820 --> 00:28:01.260 Kalani W (MDR): Moving whatever. 280 00:28:02.430 --> 00:28:09.990 Kalani W (MDR): Because, as I said, one wheelers skateboards everything now is getting a battery and they are achieving. 281 00:28:10.440 --> 00:28:21.330 Kalani W (MDR): Levels of speed that are more akin to a motorcycle So when are we going to start requiring registration and insurance and licensing. 282 00:28:21.690 --> 00:28:39.600 Kalani W (MDR): Of these items just already out of control, when the scooters invaded our streets, but I just asked for caution and and a moratorium on all bike lanes until we can get this matter resolved, thank you. 283 00:28:40.260 --> 00:28:46.170 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you well, I heard you and yeah I think the bike lanes would only be. 284 00:28:47.550 --> 00:29:01.950 robertthibodeau: You know that's only it's a discussion point on advocating you know but let's we're not we're not quite there yet so let's see what happens, and you know join us on the next first Monday and let's see what we got and. 285 00:29:03.090 --> 00:29:04.890 robertthibodeau: You know, but thank you. 286 00:29:06.450 --> 00:29:09.660 robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's move, we can move on to the next one now. 287 00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.420 robertthibodeau: Everybody okay so Lincoln we were on Lincoln. 288 00:29:17.850 --> 00:29:32.220 Evan Corrigan: yeah so for those just recap, you know they're doing this, the Lincoln fast forward caltrans is surfacing the Street Journal we requested green elements as part of that plan and sidewalk improvements. 289 00:29:34.020 --> 00:29:36.630 Evan Corrigan: So Eric yeah we finally got to talk today. 290 00:29:38.790 --> 00:29:53.550 Evan Corrigan: You know, pretty much everything caltrans has engineered and proved and gone through all the reviews so doesn't seem like there's much budging until they're kind of done with their project, and then they relinquish Lincoln boulevard to the city. 291 00:29:55.020 --> 00:30:06.960 Evan Corrigan: He didn't say at that point Santa Monica big the bus has about 20 to 30 trees that they're planning on planting on Lincoln boulevard is a part of kind of shade for buses. 292 00:30:08.130 --> 00:30:13.800 Evan Corrigan: On he also said, the city would contribute about same amount. 293 00:30:16.050 --> 00:30:24.810 Evan Corrigan: And he said it would be helpful for us, maybe in conjunction with arbor committee to go out and actually marked down where those trees should go. 294 00:30:25.170 --> 00:30:25.620 robertthibodeau: mm hmm. 295 00:30:25.770 --> 00:30:26.310 robertthibodeau: I like it. 296 00:30:26.700 --> 00:30:28.140 Evan Corrigan: yeah those will be on the sidewalk. 297 00:30:29.280 --> 00:30:38.580 Evan Corrigan: And he also said he's not you know I think they'll go through and fix caltrans will go through and fix broken parts of the sidewalk. 298 00:30:40.380 --> 00:30:48.060 Evan Corrigan: get them up to Ada requirements, he wasn't clear on like you know how much polishing they'll do of the sidewalks. 299 00:30:50.010 --> 00:31:00.930 Evan Corrigan: But that's that's pretty much that I mean there's not much we can do before elegance control of Lincoln, but we can kind of start working on that. 300 00:31:02.010 --> 00:31:03.420 Evan Corrigan: That tree placement plan. 301 00:31:03.930 --> 00:31:07.020 robertthibodeau: Well it's better than nothing, and I appreciate you following up with them. 302 00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:09.540 robertthibodeau: yeah okay. 303 00:31:11.250 --> 00:31:19.710 Selena Inouye: I have a question what's the timeline on caltrans relinquishing Lincoln boulevard to the city of La. 304 00:31:20.430 --> 00:31:22.620 Evan Corrigan: I think there's both to start. 305 00:31:23.820 --> 00:31:25.470 Evan Corrigan: Building out the project. 306 00:31:27.390 --> 00:31:33.360 Evan Corrigan: Late this year and then construction between next year and. 307 00:31:34.440 --> 00:31:47.130 Evan Corrigan: Sometimes 2024 but I know it's like a they didn't have an exact timeline because they're kind of lumped in with a bunch of other roads as well, what they're doing so, I mean at least next year they're. 308 00:31:48.660 --> 00:31:51.480 Evan Corrigan: Probably starting at least late. 309 00:31:51.810 --> 00:31:55.920 jim murez: So, except the construction phase, or is that the relinquishment. 310 00:31:56.580 --> 00:32:00.690 Evan Corrigan: that's the construction oh sorry was there a question about relinquishment oh. 311 00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.750 Selena Inouye: years from now. 312 00:32:05.160 --> 00:32:16.770 jim murez: yeah I, I just want to comment on the relinquishment Venice will be tremendously impacted if we do not stay very closely on top of the relinquishment process. 313 00:32:17.850 --> 00:32:29.490 jim murez: Part of the relinquishment process is going to need to include the redesign and reconstruction of the culver boulevard overpass and they're planning on making that 11 lanes wide. 314 00:32:30.570 --> 00:32:33.390 jim murez: It that will make the the. 315 00:32:35.250 --> 00:32:47.070 jim murez: chunk of Lincoln boulevard from Jefferson actually all the way from Loyola and from the entrance of Loyola marymount up on top of the hill all the way to Washington. 316 00:32:48.450 --> 00:32:56.940 jim murez: Somewhere in the neighborhood of nine lanes and 11 up through Marina del rey so from from. 317 00:32:57.690 --> 00:33:03.690 jim murez: Marina del rey to Washington it drops down to nine lanes, but then it hits spin as it hits Washington. 318 00:33:04.200 --> 00:33:15.480 jim murez: And they're going to send all that traffic West on Washington with two lanes, turning to the left going West towards Pacific because that's going to be Pacific and. 319 00:33:16.140 --> 00:33:27.870 jim murez: And abby Kenny, are going to be the cut through and we got to be very much on top of how the traffic flow is controlled in the north and south bound traffic if we don't want to see. 320 00:33:28.290 --> 00:33:47.340 jim murez: Our neighborhoods become completely inundated with cut through traffic because they're planning on making Lincoln boulevard up to Washington extremely major corridor and when it gets Washington, it turns into two lanes on maybe three lines if you take out the parking. 321 00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:56.400 jim murez: But now you've got seven lanes instead of nine and and everybody's going to the beach where there's a few other ways through so. 322 00:33:57.960 --> 00:34:11.610 jim murez: We need a lot of innovative thinking there to divert to stay on Lincoln and to you sent in La and other routes farther East then going farther West. 323 00:34:12.630 --> 00:34:18.210 jim murez: Bigger discussion for another day but I forewarn you, we have to stay on top of the relinquishment process. 324 00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:21.000 Evan Corrigan: of doing that. 325 00:34:21.810 --> 00:34:28.680 jim murez: yeah also caltrans owns the the rights to high California highway us one California highway one. 326 00:34:29.310 --> 00:34:41.730 jim murez: And the relinquishment turns it over to the city of Los Angeles like they've done in the northern sections of the of that piece of roadway up in Santa Monica so the city of Santa Monica you took it over. 327 00:34:44.190 --> 00:34:53.430 jim murez: But when the city of Los Angeles, does it, you know the city does not do a very good job with with relinquishment of state highways highway which is Venice boulevard. 328 00:34:54.450 --> 00:35:07.080 jim murez: 25 years ago was a brand new road and now it's got an F rating, because the city is not maintained it that occurred when caltrans turned over the brand new roadway to the city of Los Angeles. 329 00:35:07.530 --> 00:35:20.130 jim murez: And now it's a city street rather than a State highway and and we've seen what the results are I mean you know, forgetting about all the people camped out on the street, the condition of the roadway itself is atrocious. 330 00:35:22.140 --> 00:35:22.680 jim murez: So. 331 00:35:23.130 --> 00:35:24.510 jim murez: that's what we have to be careful of. 332 00:35:24.750 --> 00:35:28.110 robertthibodeau: we've got kalani stand up again kalani i'm gonna. 333 00:35:29.730 --> 00:35:30.990 robertthibodeau: ask you to unmute. 334 00:35:33.090 --> 00:35:36.210 robertthibodeau: You talking permitted there you go kalani Europe. 335 00:35:39.420 --> 00:35:40.950 robertthibodeau: Do you want to talk again kalani. 336 00:35:42.810 --> 00:35:44.130 robertthibodeau: need to unmute you do. 337 00:35:44.160 --> 00:35:45.120 Kalani W (MDR): Yes, i'm on. 338 00:35:45.600 --> 00:35:59.610 Kalani W (MDR): Yes, you are regarding Lincoln and Venice boulevard i'm an active stakeholder hi selena selena and I were in a battle against the Mar vista road diet that has caused. 339 00:36:01.620 --> 00:36:12.210 Kalani W (MDR): Many divisions in the Community, not to mention the bottlenecks it's caused some of it way into Venice, all the way back to avid Kenny. 340 00:36:13.740 --> 00:36:23.490 Kalani W (MDR): Pre coated and it's just a matter of time that that kind of traffic starts up again being backed up because of the Mar vista road diet. 341 00:36:23.820 --> 00:36:37.530 Kalani W (MDR): Another road diet as Paul corrects is leaving his space he used to be against the road diet, but now that he's vacating his Council seat, he is approving a road diet in palms. 342 00:36:38.730 --> 00:36:50.850 Kalani W (MDR): Santa Monica is also moving forward with with a dedicated bus lanes on their portion of Lincoln all of this will cause congestion and backup. 343 00:36:51.240 --> 00:37:03.000 Kalani W (MDR): Many of these projects are being done so that our political can say that they've done something without any regard to traffic or movement in the city. 344 00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:17.520 Kalani W (MDR): If you want to see how dedicated bus lanes and road diets affect the flow of traffic, and it should be said, Venice boulevard is the one of the last remaining straight. 345 00:37:20.310 --> 00:37:42.030 Kalani W (MDR): Six lane boulevards that run from Venice beach to downtown la sunset will sure Santa Monica and people have all been congested at one point or another Venice boulevard is the last remaining street and Lincoln already is congested. 346 00:37:43.170 --> 00:37:58.830 Kalani W (MDR): It think the thought of putting a dedicated bustling would create a nightmare, and if you want to see, as I said, what a dedicated bustling will do try driving through culver city from supposed. 347 00:37:59.520 --> 00:38:20.430 Kalani W (MDR): To la cienega on on Carver and you'll see how horrendous it is or the road diet try driving through mar vista between Wade and Inglewood during peak traffic hours and you'll see how a road diet affects the flow of traffic. 348 00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:42.300 Kalani W (MDR): and how it affects cut through traffic air pollution, because of cars sitting idle and wasting gas and spewing pollution into the air, etc, etc, I just add that you stay on top of it, and I will do my best to keep you informed of what's happening in other parts of the West side, thank you. 349 00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:43.890 robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks kalani. 350 00:38:46.140 --> 00:38:51.300 robertthibodeau: Evan did you have any last words on the fast forward you kind of gave us what was up there, so. 351 00:38:51.570 --> 00:38:56.940 Evan Corrigan: You just give me a call after contacted to it, because you said you wanted some of these since mo. 352 00:38:58.350 --> 00:39:00.000 robertthibodeau: Left mm hmm. 353 00:39:00.570 --> 00:39:06.990 Evan Corrigan: So I can just for that to you, he said it was a good guy to reach out to for requests or music, you know. 354 00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:11.430 robertthibodeau: The kinds of stuff that we're talking about with Jim like the marketing, you know. 355 00:39:11.790 --> 00:39:14.910 robertthibodeau: I think, so we need to start going up there, and having sit down with them. 356 00:39:16.200 --> 00:39:19.950 robertthibodeau: So we actually get this stuff done because that seems to be how the other Councils are doing it. 357 00:39:20.400 --> 00:39:21.600 Evan Corrigan: Like going there physically. 358 00:39:22.410 --> 00:39:26.280 robertthibodeau: me a bug in the money emails and then going there physically, I think a little bit yeah. 359 00:39:28.500 --> 00:39:32.430 robertthibodeau: At least the del rey guys that's how they were doing it. 360 00:39:34.470 --> 00:39:49.440 robertthibodeau: And they got some stuff done over there okay parking enforcement is already got approved so we're scratching that street cleaning that already got approved scratching that number 12 is already got approved, but this is one that now we. 361 00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:49.740 alyson wilson: need to. 362 00:39:51.360 --> 00:39:52.620 robertthibodeau: write a letter for this gym. 363 00:39:53.490 --> 00:39:55.830 jim murez: Number Tom I don't I don't write the letters if. 364 00:39:55.860 --> 00:39:57.540 jim murez: If you forwarded a. 365 00:39:58.620 --> 00:40:04.890 jim murez: motion to the board the board approved it or adopted it, you have to write the letter and then send it to me for signature. 366 00:40:09.660 --> 00:40:11.220 robertthibodeau: I guess I didn't vendors, for all these. 367 00:40:11.310 --> 00:40:24.720 jim murez: All right, that's the process for loop packets, the process for all the committee's everybody's the same building the President doesn't write the letters, the letters written by the committee chair that that then submits the letter for signature. 368 00:40:25.230 --> 00:40:28.170 jim murez: Right, and I can send you the template if you want to see how it's written. 369 00:40:28.650 --> 00:40:31.350 jim murez: yeah that'd be awesome there's a template all right i'll do that okay. 370 00:40:32.820 --> 00:40:38.040 robertthibodeau: signage we voted on that, I think that similar to the award thing you know. 371 00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:46.260 robertthibodeau: Everybody liked the Venice signage idea, but we probably need to map out some locations and maybe bring that up. 372 00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:48.090 robertthibodeau: Next time. 373 00:40:51.750 --> 00:40:58.620 robertthibodeau: I can do it unless somebody else likes that idea, and they want to do it cleaner, you want to drive around and figure out where we're going to put Ben assigns. 374 00:41:00.450 --> 00:41:09.120 jim murez: Over just so you're aware of it, the neighborhood committee and also the preserving public spaces committee for both working on signage in Venice also. 375 00:41:09.900 --> 00:41:14.190 jim murez: Okay, I don't know that anybody is actually put anything together yet. 376 00:41:14.550 --> 00:41:16.410 robertthibodeau: been talking about like entering Venice. 377 00:41:16.440 --> 00:41:17.700 robertthibodeau: You know, welcome to Venice. 378 00:41:17.700 --> 00:41:24.210 jim murez: So yeah I think they're talking about the same thing you know the libraries this direction, the beaches That way, you know. 379 00:41:24.240 --> 00:41:25.560 robertthibodeau: yeah that's more way finding. 380 00:41:25.560 --> 00:41:28.950 jim murez: can't canada's to the right mexico's to the left or whatever. 381 00:41:29.340 --> 00:41:29.760 Okay. 382 00:41:31.650 --> 00:41:35.010 robertthibodeau: Right yeah The thing is, we should find out if. 383 00:41:36.420 --> 00:41:49.530 Selena Inouye: I with regard to bike lanes, but with all, also with regard to like signage for Venice and things like that is any thoughts, going to be involved in the Community plan update, I know that there's bike lanes. 384 00:41:50.670 --> 00:41:55.020 Selena Inouye: That were indicated on the Community Community plan, update and I had asked. 385 00:41:55.470 --> 00:42:07.920 Selena Inouye: The folks who were working on it at the time, if they could provide me more information about the bike lanes that are being proposed, through the Community plan and what those were going to look like and they never heard back. 386 00:42:08.940 --> 00:42:11.010 Selena Inouye: They just want to put that out there. 387 00:42:15.150 --> 00:42:15.540 robertthibodeau: Okay. 388 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.290 robertthibodeau: You know sean's been waiting to I apologize showing you sitting through my blah blah blah. 389 00:42:24.240 --> 00:42:25.470 robertthibodeau: Okay, so. 390 00:42:27.630 --> 00:42:37.950 robertthibodeau: we're going to keep this on the menu and we're going to see what we want to do with it and seeing if you get some specific ideas you know just email me and i'll try and try and pick it up, otherwise maybe i'll do a drive around. 391 00:42:38.430 --> 00:42:42.870 robertthibodeau: I can do that take a couple pictures and drop them on a map. 392 00:42:55.980 --> 00:42:57.270 robertthibodeau: what's up from before. 393 00:43:00.660 --> 00:43:17.130 robertthibodeau: The permit parking thing we sent that guy home to go get some signatures he's that wasn't that was David pigeon I don't see David here we're gonna wait for him to come back to us on that maybe i'll be one of us should Ping him with an email just see how he's doing. 394 00:43:20.910 --> 00:43:24.510 robertthibodeau: So now next one Okay, thank you Sean for being patient. 395 00:43:26.940 --> 00:43:34.680 robertthibodeau: No trespassing sign guess I should read a long not long sorry about that that's me. 396 00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:41.910 robertthibodeau: ocean at the Venice farmers market, this was your baby Sean so i'm going to put you on to present your thing. 397 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:45.270 robertthibodeau: shauna Brian. 398 00:43:45.690 --> 00:43:49.530 Sean obrien: Yes, hi thanks guys always love watching how the sausage is made. 399 00:43:52.530 --> 00:44:05.580 Sean obrien: hey thanks for having me on this will try to be brave, I don't have anything presented it's pretty simple um I was involved with my community on cleaning up Venice between Dell and ocean. 400 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:24.240 Sean obrien: And in that process, I learned that I think it's locked 731 the Venice farmers market lot is considered public property so sorry private property, so the sidewalk and. 401 00:44:25.350 --> 00:44:30.780 Sean obrien: And the strip of dirt whitewater wow I guess you call it the parkway. 402 00:44:31.860 --> 00:44:36.540 Sean obrien: that's public property um so i've been working with. 403 00:44:37.740 --> 00:44:42.210 Sean obrien: My Community well, let me backtrack i'm sorry so um. 404 00:44:43.980 --> 00:45:05.340 Sean obrien: Probably about three years ago there were major encampments i'm on ocean avenue between north and south bend and it was affecting the farmers market and whatnot, and so I know Jimmy has gotten involved somehow and trying to figure out if it was. 405 00:45:05.370 --> 00:45:06.390 alyson wilson: public property or. 406 00:45:06.390 --> 00:45:09.900 Sean obrien: private property, it took the city about eight months. 407 00:45:10.350 --> 00:45:16.140 Sean obrien: And the conclusion was is that strip of land from the. 408 00:45:17.190 --> 00:45:27.000 Sean obrien: From the sidewalk to the parking lot that's all considered private property i've been working with Noah of the audit committee. 409 00:45:27.570 --> 00:45:35.910 Sean obrien: we've been planting bogan V is there, we put down a bunch of molds or reading it, but what's happened in the last two years. 410 00:45:36.660 --> 00:45:47.070 Sean obrien: That we cleaned up those encampments on a beautification project we keep getting pop up tents and people go in there, trying to create another encampment. 411 00:45:47.640 --> 00:46:03.060 Sean obrien: um i've counted in the last two years since we've cleaned it up there's probably been about 50 calls that required llp to come out and had these people move a. 412 00:46:03.420 --> 00:46:09.540 Sean obrien: lot of times lapd comes out and says Well, this is public property, and then I gotta walk into the. 413 00:46:11.040 --> 00:46:21.840 Sean obrien: parking lot and show them the already posted signs that face inward towards the parking lot no loitering no this no that no trespassing private property. 414 00:46:22.410 --> 00:46:36.060 Sean obrien: i'm i'm just trying to be proactive with this motion request, maybe we can get some signage I was thinking, maybe even on the back of the signs that already exist that. 415 00:46:37.620 --> 00:46:47.640 Sean obrien: The Venice farmers market size, we can put we can play signs there, maybe one on the wall, because now all that book and via is really covering the world that wall. 416 00:46:48.330 --> 00:47:04.320 Sean obrien: um it would cut down on having the police come out, it would cut down on the calls to bed because bed has been helping me with it, but they've been reluctant to enforce anything which does Intel having lapd come out. 417 00:47:04.860 --> 00:47:13.890 Sean obrien: So it's pretty much a no brainer it would kind of like save a lot of work because, for some reason, everybody asked me I get texts. 418 00:47:14.250 --> 00:47:20.340 Sean obrien: From the neighborhood saying oh another 10 popped up nobody else wants to deal with it and. 419 00:47:20.730 --> 00:47:29.100 Sean obrien: takes me an hour to get through to the police, then I got to be around when they show up because if you're not there and talk to them, they don't do anything. 420 00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:42.330 Sean obrien: Then I got to go out and talk to them, so I know the drill some of them I got to spend a half hour, you know talking to the law to them and the signs would really be beneficial, and it would also help keep. 421 00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:49.590 Sean obrien: up the farmers market sanitary So if you have any other questions or anything like I said i'm trying to keep it brief. 422 00:47:50.760 --> 00:48:05.310 Sean obrien: The laws already there they're already giving us the right to do this, I just think it would really help if we had the signs posted maybe cut down on all on the effort to keep that area clear appreciate it thanks guys. 423 00:48:10.230 --> 00:48:10.770 alyson wilson: Are muted. 424 00:48:12.930 --> 00:48:14.520 robertthibodeau: it's hard to hear me is what you're saying. 425 00:48:16.410 --> 00:48:16.980 robertthibodeau: So. 426 00:48:18.990 --> 00:48:20.550 robertthibodeau: Jim to we. 427 00:48:20.970 --> 00:48:24.960 robertthibodeau: Can I help clarify and then put before you clarify. 428 00:48:24.990 --> 00:48:26.640 Sean obrien: The process. 429 00:48:26.670 --> 00:48:27.090 Sean obrien: Is. 430 00:48:27.120 --> 00:48:33.330 robertthibodeau: What emotion together and then take comments or to take comments and then put emotion together, and then a. 431 00:48:33.330 --> 00:48:34.410 Sean obrien: board what. 432 00:48:34.890 --> 00:48:35.490 robertthibodeau: What is the. 433 00:48:35.640 --> 00:48:39.420 jim murez: I don't know it depends on how formal you want to be normally what you would do is you'd. 434 00:48:39.420 --> 00:48:44.850 jim murez: make them somebody would make other than the Chair would make a motion motion would have already been. 435 00:48:44.850 --> 00:48:46.050 Sean obrien: assumed to be on. 436 00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:51.240 jim murez: The agenda if it's not somebody could write a motion now and then a second. 437 00:48:51.360 --> 00:48:52.440 Sean obrien: A second person with. 438 00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:53.790 jim murez: Second, that motion. 439 00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:54.990 Sean obrien: You would take. 440 00:48:55.050 --> 00:49:00.330 jim murez: Public comment on the motion then you'd have committee discussion on the on the item. 441 00:49:01.560 --> 00:49:01.920 jim murez: So. 442 00:49:01.980 --> 00:49:03.540 Anybody on your committee. 443 00:49:04.650 --> 00:49:09.300 jim murez: could make a motion to basically support sean's presentation. 444 00:49:09.690 --> 00:49:09.930 Sean obrien: But. 445 00:49:10.290 --> 00:49:12.960 jim murez: It might be able to help clarify a little bit about what he. 446 00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:13.950 jim murez: was talking about. 447 00:49:14.580 --> 00:49:18.780 jim murez: And then, if you wanted right emotion, I would be happy to help you do that, but. 448 00:49:19.080 --> 00:49:20.850 jim murez: I think it probably would be helpful if I. 449 00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:22.620 Sean obrien: screen share. 450 00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.920 robertthibodeau: someone's got wind or something in the background. 451 00:49:25.950 --> 00:49:29.310 alyson wilson: it's Sean do you mind muting yourself when you're not contributing. 452 00:49:29.370 --> 00:49:30.600 robertthibodeau: Your second Thank you. 453 00:49:32.010 --> 00:49:32.730 robertthibodeau: Thanks buddy. 454 00:49:33.780 --> 00:49:37.860 jim murez: So this is a map of of. 455 00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:48.990 jim murez: lot 70701, which is the farmers market parking lot to everybody refers to as the farmers market parking lot this was done back in the 90s. 456 00:49:49.650 --> 00:49:58.830 jim murez: I was involved in the design of the parking lot at the time, and of the planting the area that shawn's talking about So if you can see my can everybody see my cursor moving. 457 00:49:59.460 --> 00:50:00.930 jim murez: Yes, okay. 458 00:50:01.050 --> 00:50:17.070 jim murez: So the cursor is moving along there's a concrete wall at the tip of like where my cursor is and then from the tip of the PR from the edge of the wall out to the sidewalk and if we zoom in real close on this, this is actually a bike lane it's not a sidewalk. 459 00:50:18.090 --> 00:50:22.770 jim murez: I shared this with senior lead officer contrary this. 460 00:50:24.360 --> 00:50:38.970 jim murez: It says it's a walk here, but if you look at the official caltrans drawings when this was done, this is actually a bike line it's a bike lane it's the continuation of the bike lane to the beach from from West of. 461 00:50:41.040 --> 00:50:47.400 jim murez: ocean avenue, but at any rate, what he's talking about is along this line where this black this heavy black line is. 462 00:50:48.960 --> 00:50:57.810 jim murez: There are numerous street lamps facing inward towards the parking lot and on the inward side there is signage that. 463 00:50:58.260 --> 00:51:07.860 jim murez: led ot put up several years ago that describes that the it's it's it's it's private property that that you know you're not allowed to trust pests there. 464 00:51:08.130 --> 00:51:19.170 jim murez: And so what Sean is suggesting is at those same streetlights if there was another sign that pointed outward the property line is out here at the edge of the sidewalk. 465 00:51:20.040 --> 00:51:38.700 jim murez: And, and the area between the the backup sidewalk and the brick wall is where people frequently camp out in this area here towards the tip it's the same thing and all along across the front here, and as you go farther to the the West in the lot. 466 00:51:40.110 --> 00:51:48.360 jim murez: Of the same thing happens out here, at the end there's a cut line here, by the way this this map, along with several other shrines of Venice. 467 00:51:48.720 --> 00:51:54.300 jim murez: Are all available online at this address up here venice.net forward slash landscaping. 468 00:51:54.930 --> 00:52:08.100 jim murez: And there's a whole bunch of prints there that talk about all different kinds of things, having to do with Venice boulevard and what's happened in recent years, so Evan you sent this stuff and it's available if you want it, yes. 469 00:52:08.610 --> 00:52:15.780 alyson wilson: CIM um I the same situation exists with the lot one lot. 470 00:52:16.170 --> 00:52:23.010 alyson wilson: west of the farmers market lot they similarly have signs posted in fact their new within the last month or two. 471 00:52:23.430 --> 00:52:34.710 alyson wilson: And they were similarly only posted facing into the parking lots of the designation is the same, and I would love if we're going to consider writing a motion to include that lot in the motion as well. 472 00:52:34.860 --> 00:52:38.220 jim murez: So that would be led ot lot 731. 473 00:52:39.900 --> 00:52:43.590 jim murez: And that that's a lot that's between Dell and Pacific. 474 00:52:43.740 --> 00:52:50.910 jim murez: mm hmm and and so yeah the motion could be written that that lot 731 and 701. 475 00:52:52.290 --> 00:52:53.910 jim murez: Have signage. 476 00:52:55.320 --> 00:53:14.250 jim murez: Stating no trespassing facing outward towards the sidewalk wherever the same signs are facing inward towards the lot and and then i'll let her like that can be sent off to transportation and let them so it's actually the lots are actually controlled by off street. 477 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:33.240 jim murez: parking so it's slightly different it there's a special division, but we do have the contact David corrado I believe is his name he's the head of that department, so we have his contact and he's run that was responsible for putting the new side, I think we could also probably get. 478 00:53:33.780 --> 00:53:34.920 robertthibodeau: The last name David what. 479 00:53:35.310 --> 00:53:49.620 jim murez: I think his last name is Carter I can send you his contact um i've dealt with him for 20 years on parking lots over there when he started, he was a office clerk I think in by now he's moved up to the head of the department. 480 00:53:52.530 --> 00:53:55.680 jim murez: But monique contreras the senior lead for this area. 481 00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:04.890 jim murez: she's aware of the signage and because somebody vandalized a lot of the signs in both lots bending them in half and breaking them up. 482 00:54:05.310 --> 00:54:10.800 jim murez: They went in and they started replacing them she and I had a conversation about this exact same thing about. 483 00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:22.350 jim murez: Two months ago and Sean first brought it up, that would be a good idea, and everybody agreed and she was very much in favor of it asked me for these maps said gee if we had the maps and we could show that it was city. 484 00:54:23.040 --> 00:54:29.490 jim murez: private property, then we could enforce it, without any problem and so she was going to start doing that. 485 00:54:31.590 --> 00:54:35.550 jim murez: But yeah i'm sure that if we wrote a letter we could probably get her to endorse it as well. 486 00:54:37.230 --> 00:54:54.600 robertthibodeau: It seems like the path of least resistance, would be to copy the exact same language it's on the existing signs facing inward and just double mount you know because they just use as this plumbing bracket ties tip right. 487 00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:57.840 jim murez: So they have the pole to pole the Center of sign on each side. 488 00:54:58.050 --> 00:55:12.870 robertthibodeau: yeah exactly and use the exact same language and just you know, have a flip side the flip side, one I mean, I think it would look the best because it would be uniform and it seems like then nobody's reinventing the wheel to something that's already been done. 489 00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:30.720 jim murez: So if you want to write a motion to the effect of having those signs put up and and yeah yeah if both of the two lots, then we could go out and snap a picture of what one of the signs looks like to get the wording off of it and add that to the motion before it gets to the board. 490 00:55:32.520 --> 00:55:34.710 alyson wilson: Okay happy to snap that picture Jim. 491 00:55:35.010 --> 00:55:44.310 jim murez: Okay, but I just don't have I don't remember the worry, I know I have a picture that I even have a picture of the scientists on my phone someplace because I sent them several of them, several months ago. 492 00:55:44.700 --> 00:55:46.230 alyson wilson: But i'll send me that picture. 493 00:55:46.350 --> 00:55:49.320 jim murez: you're looking for an old pictures like looking for a needle in a haystack. 494 00:55:51.540 --> 00:55:52.920 jim murez: I take a lot of photos. 495 00:55:54.570 --> 00:56:00.000 robertthibodeau: request for additional no trespassing is that what they say. 496 00:56:00.960 --> 00:56:03.480 jim murez: yeah you know I something to that effect. 497 00:56:06.690 --> 00:56:11.970 alyson wilson: If you guys want to honestly, excuse me for around 30 seconds I can go tell you what they say. 498 00:56:12.990 --> 00:56:14.250 robertthibodeau: Literally from your front porch. 499 00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:15.030 Literally. 500 00:56:18.600 --> 00:56:24.270 robertthibodeau: i'm going to kind of read the motion once you get sets a request for additional no trespassing signs. 501 00:56:25.110 --> 00:56:27.480 jim murez: yeah so the motion would be something to the effect. 502 00:56:27.630 --> 00:56:30.090 jim murez: Of the PTC. 503 00:56:30.390 --> 00:56:31.440 jim murez: recommends the. 504 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:35.640 jim murez: Board of officers of the dnc. 505 00:56:36.780 --> 00:56:41.730 jim murez: request to the Department of Transportation off street parking. 506 00:56:44.850 --> 00:56:45.810 jim murez: signage. 507 00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:47.970 jim murez: And then go on. 508 00:56:54.180 --> 00:56:57.930 robertthibodeau: board officers reports. 509 00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:08.220 robertthibodeau: Additional no trespassing where it says signs lot 701 and. 510 00:57:09.720 --> 00:57:11.910 robertthibodeau: 731. 511 00:57:14.010 --> 00:57:14.640 robertthibodeau: To. 512 00:57:16.410 --> 00:57:17.100 robertthibodeau: base. 513 00:57:18.210 --> 00:57:19.320 robertthibodeau: How words. 514 00:57:21.990 --> 00:57:22.500 and 515 00:57:23.910 --> 00:57:24.510 The. 516 00:57:26.730 --> 00:57:27.930 locations. 517 00:57:29.580 --> 00:57:30.510 robertthibodeau: Where. 518 00:57:32.790 --> 00:57:33.270 robertthibodeau: Current. 519 00:57:35.370 --> 00:57:38.550 someone's face in movies. 520 00:57:41.130 --> 00:58:01.110 robertthibodeau: are covered it but that's so the PTC recommends that the board of officers request additional no trespassing signs at lot 701 and 731 to face outwards at the locations where current signs face in words. 521 00:58:01.710 --> 00:58:06.330 robertthibodeau: Perfect short and sweet is that okay Sean you feel good about that. 522 00:58:07.830 --> 00:58:08.700 robertthibodeau: you're muted, but. 523 00:58:09.270 --> 00:58:13.020 Sean obrien: yeah get even better than what I was proposing with. 524 00:58:14.940 --> 00:58:16.590 Sean obrien: A lot to the West. 525 00:58:17.580 --> 00:58:20.700 Sean obrien: And oh yeah thanks guys very happy. 526 00:58:21.030 --> 00:58:23.430 robertthibodeau: So it's one of you guys, because I can i'm the. 527 00:58:24.360 --> 00:58:25.380 jim murez: Chief whoa hold on. 528 00:58:26.490 --> 00:58:28.830 jim murez: allison's back let's see what she discovered. 529 00:58:29.430 --> 00:58:37.680 alyson wilson: Well it's interesting you guys, because there are actually signs on the front and back the new signs are on the front and back. 530 00:58:38.100 --> 00:58:38.520 jim murez: No good. 531 00:58:39.060 --> 00:58:39.930 alyson wilson: It says. 532 00:58:40.410 --> 00:58:50.340 alyson wilson: yeah this there's let me show you guys there's the first sign a second sign that's really faded, and you can actually see it less in person, and the third sign. 533 00:58:50.610 --> 00:58:55.980 jim murez: In the disperse or it's the third sign that gives that gives lapd the authority. 534 00:58:56.820 --> 00:59:01.440 alyson wilson: I think it's actually the second the third one is about dog dog. 535 00:59:01.680 --> 00:59:02.280 alyson wilson: Oh man. 536 00:59:02.730 --> 00:59:04.770 alyson wilson: Okay, but the second one says. 537 00:59:04.860 --> 00:59:10.380 alyson wilson: Then, the one that you're talking about says no loitering private property and then there's code. 538 00:59:10.590 --> 00:59:12.210 jim murez: Right that's that's the one. 539 00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:20.430 alyson wilson: yeah la MC section 41.18 a D parenthetically a comedy. 540 00:59:22.080 --> 00:59:28.050 robertthibodeau: loitering on private property la MC what is it. 541 00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:29.940 jim murez: There she's showing it to you on the screen. 542 00:59:30.090 --> 00:59:30.480 Sorry. 543 00:59:32.850 --> 00:59:33.300 robertthibodeau: You know it's. 544 00:59:33.630 --> 00:59:35.040 alyson wilson: backward when i'm doing it. 545 00:59:36.090 --> 00:59:37.710 robertthibodeau: it's just hard for me console blurry. 546 00:59:37.800 --> 00:59:38.730 alyson wilson: Little yeah. 547 00:59:39.510 --> 00:59:43.110 alyson wilson: la MC section 41.18. 548 00:59:44.490 --> 00:59:45.540 alyson wilson: And then you bracketed. 549 00:59:45.570 --> 00:59:54.000 alyson wilson: 41.1 8.18 bracketed a comma bracketed D and the and the deer lowercase I don't know if that's. 550 00:59:54.060 --> 00:59:55.140 alyson wilson: A Horn or non. 551 00:59:55.950 --> 00:59:57.300 robertthibodeau: bracketed a, then what. 552 00:59:58.170 --> 00:59:58.830 jim murez: brand comma. 553 00:59:58.890 --> 01:00:00.060 alyson wilson: And then bracket a D. 554 01:00:02.130 --> 01:00:06.720 robertthibodeau: Okay, I think I gotta do so we're going to substitute that in. 555 01:00:08.970 --> 01:00:14.490 robertthibodeau: For instead of no trespassing we're going to put the new one loitering and then that whole thing. 556 01:00:15.570 --> 01:00:15.780 jim murez: For. 557 01:00:15.930 --> 01:00:19.710 alyson wilson: me to read, I like to review the first sign to to see if this is interesting for you. 558 01:00:19.710 --> 01:00:27.810 alyson wilson: guys, so the blue sign at the top says department transportation this parking lot is closed to the public 11pm to 5am nightly. 559 01:00:28.350 --> 01:00:44.790 alyson wilson: No trespassing no person shall store any unintended or or attended personal property and a public area property remaining after closure is subject to impound violators will be prosecuted and then there's code listed is that interesting yeah. 560 01:00:45.480 --> 01:00:47.580 Sean obrien: yeah I like that, as well, thank you. 561 01:00:47.610 --> 01:00:49.440 jim murez: have them have them post them both. 562 01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:54.090 robertthibodeau: Okay, so we get an end in. 563 01:00:56.370 --> 01:01:00.900 robertthibodeau: Do you want to read that one to me as well, so we get the full motion here. 564 01:01:01.620 --> 01:01:02.460 alyson wilson: Would you. 565 01:01:03.810 --> 01:01:04.350 hey we're gonna. 566 01:01:06.060 --> 01:01:07.470 robertthibodeau: you're breaking up and. 567 01:01:08.490 --> 01:01:17.790 alyson wilson: I don't know your Internet was shouldn't be waffle maybe isn't glitchy Internet and would you like me to send you the photo so you can add the the. 568 01:01:18.900 --> 01:01:25.260 alyson wilson: Language in and just sort of, say, as we're passing the emotion language to match the sign post as posted. 569 01:01:26.010 --> 01:01:26.820 jim murez: You know, you could. 570 01:01:26.880 --> 01:01:31.710 alyson wilson: You could you could I don't think these are it's just really long I don't know, do you want to write yeah for sure at all. 571 01:01:31.800 --> 01:01:32.850 alyson wilson: hey because we can. 572 01:01:33.390 --> 01:01:34.620 robertthibodeau: Do you want to um. 573 01:01:35.640 --> 01:01:40.530 robertthibodeau: So i'm 310 if you want to text it to me 310719. 574 01:01:40.560 --> 01:01:43.620 jim murez: You don't wait a minute robber you don't want to give that out, this is being recorded. 575 01:01:45.060 --> 01:01:48.870 alyson wilson: Yet let me email it to you, I have your email that's your. 576 01:01:54.660 --> 01:01:55.920 alyson wilson: Your board email. 577 01:01:56.010 --> 01:01:57.630 robertthibodeau: Thanks for protecting the gym. 578 01:01:57.900 --> 01:01:58.350 jim murez: yeah it's. 579 01:01:58.410 --> 01:01:59.580 it's public domain. 580 01:02:02.070 --> 01:02:08.160 jim murez: Because it gets transcribed as well don't you know anybody can scrape this stuff then. 581 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:09.120 robertthibodeau: i'll be getting calls. 582 01:02:09.300 --> 01:02:11.370 Sean obrien: About pet like NICO and Katrina. 583 01:02:11.820 --> 01:02:13.800 robertthibodeau: yeah get the sock pub and then after me. 584 01:02:17.370 --> 01:02:23.550 robertthibodeau: Okay, so you're emailing that to me now, what are you guys got to make emotion if you're going to make the motion so that has to be one of you for. 585 01:02:24.960 --> 01:02:26.310 robertthibodeau: One of you three c's when. 586 01:02:29.010 --> 01:02:47.220 Evan Corrigan: I just have a quick question so, is it 4118 that all that it's up to the discretion of the it's like up to the Council persons discretion to enforce it, and I think the city is also voting on some amendment to it tomorrow. 587 01:02:48.330 --> 01:02:50.670 Evan Corrigan: or some change i'm not exactly sure. 588 01:02:51.750 --> 01:02:53.220 Evan Corrigan: But I think this is. 589 01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:57.870 Sean obrien: considered private property, so those rules don't apply God. 590 01:02:58.530 --> 01:03:08.940 jim murez: If I can try and explain the difference and a lot of people don't understand it, the streets are considered public property, because it's a. 591 01:03:09.030 --> 01:03:10.920 jim murez: dedication of a roadway. 592 01:03:11.670 --> 01:03:28.590 jim murez: Whereas a parking lot that the city purchases as as property it's considered publicly owned but it's considered private it's not part of a public easement and that's a big difference, so the same thing, like the public park. 593 01:03:30.210 --> 01:03:36.330 jim murez: They can put rules into a public park that they can't put on the streets and that's why they're able to chase people out of the parks. 594 01:03:39.270 --> 01:03:40.020 jim murez: That makes sense. 595 01:03:40.230 --> 01:03:41.220 Evan Corrigan: yeah yeah. 596 01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:44.880 alyson wilson: yeah well i'll tell you what there's got to be 30 times out there, right now, so. 597 01:03:45.240 --> 01:03:45.960 jim murez: I believe you. 598 01:03:46.410 --> 01:03:50.100 alyson wilson: Whatever the signs are doing wish they were doing more. 599 01:03:57.690 --> 01:03:58.440 robertthibodeau: movies, be no. 600 01:03:59.580 --> 01:04:03.210 jim murez: So, Robert why doesn't somebody make the motion somebody else second it. 601 01:04:03.210 --> 01:04:05.130 jim murez: And they work out the wording later. 602 01:04:05.850 --> 01:04:12.960 robertthibodeau: Well, I think we kind of have the wording, with the exception, I got a copy allison thing, but basically to match the existing signs. 603 01:04:13.800 --> 01:04:16.410 robertthibodeau: yeah one of you guys got to make the motion so i'm waiting for. 604 01:04:17.100 --> 01:04:31.140 alyson wilson: Very either i'll make the motion i'd like to make a motion to copy the existing signs in the parking lot and duplicate that on the back outward facing out of the parking lot where they are not displayed. 605 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.190 Selena Inouye: i'll second that okay. 606 01:04:36.990 --> 01:04:38.310 jim murez: offer public comment. 607 01:04:38.610 --> 01:04:40.440 robertthibodeau: Do we have any public comment on this. 608 01:04:44.100 --> 01:04:46.170 robertthibodeau: Do not see hands going up. 609 01:04:46.950 --> 01:04:51.810 robertthibodeau: So 321 okay board comment. 610 01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:54.960 jim murez: So now, you say public comment is closed. 611 01:04:56.130 --> 01:04:58.830 robertthibodeau: Closed record and. 612 01:05:00.780 --> 01:05:04.710 robertthibodeau: You know, bad board comment, but if anybody's gets mls throughout this. 613 01:05:05.940 --> 01:05:09.780 Evan Corrigan: Is a question, so this will go to the dnc if it passes. 614 01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:10.470 Correct. 615 01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:19.380 Evan Corrigan: Well then, I mean is this really like a parking and transportation issue is that something that would be discussed. 616 01:05:20.550 --> 01:05:22.770 jim murez: It will be the. 617 01:05:23.790 --> 01:05:30.540 jim murez: Most any any committee can make an agenda request and and the vote of the Committee will. 618 01:05:31.560 --> 01:05:42.210 jim murez: In some ways, determine whether or not it's put on the consent calendar, in which case there would be no further discussion if nobody wants to pull it off of consent, so if it's unanimous in the committee. 619 01:05:42.840 --> 01:05:54.330 jim murez: Then it goes on to the Boards agenda as a consent item and if if somebody wants to pull it off, they can, if it then ends up getting pulled off or if, for some reason, it needs to be heard. 620 01:05:56.580 --> 01:06:12.000 jim murez: The full Board will then hear it, and whatever kind of presentation needs to be made would usually be made by the committee chair, in this case, Robert about answering any questions that come up about whatever it is, but the public comment is also available than to. 621 01:06:12.480 --> 01:06:19.440 robertthibodeau: me and, if I can add one thing, so there were two parts to your question of, and the first of all, is. 622 01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:29.790 robertthibodeau: Is is it a parking transportation issue and I would say yes it's a parking lot and therefore parking and transportation. 623 01:06:30.330 --> 01:06:40.230 robertthibodeau: I think it does fit within our purview sort of St use parking kind of stuff it certainly does sort of. 624 01:06:40.800 --> 01:06:55.860 robertthibodeau: dovetail a little bit into the homeless committees world, but I feel fairly confident that we're not stepping on their toes here number two is, if you don't feel comfortable voting for it then don't you know don't vote for one man, one vote, you know you. 625 01:06:55.890 --> 01:06:57.330 robertthibodeau: You both however you want. 626 01:06:57.810 --> 01:06:59.430 robertthibodeau: If it's not a unanimous vote. 627 01:07:00.600 --> 01:07:11.250 robertthibodeau: But it's still passes, for instance, say you were to vote against it and the other 123 to four of us of jim's voting your non voting members. 628 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:22.440 robertthibodeau: i'm a non voting Member yeah so if the other three of us pass it, it would go then to the dnc not on consent and would be voted on and discussed at the dnc. 629 01:07:23.070 --> 01:07:32.010 robertthibodeau: So that's the difference it's a unanimous vote, it goes on consent, unless somebody pulls it off, then there's discussion and a vote if it goes off on. 630 01:07:33.090 --> 01:07:41.010 robertthibodeau: If it's not a unanimous vote, then it goes on, as an agenda item and so that's the difference between the two did was I clear did I. 631 01:07:41.310 --> 01:07:52.680 Evan Corrigan: yeah Okay, I think, to make something that's already there more clear make sense, I was just trying to figure out all the rules, you know just learning more here okay. 632 01:07:53.070 --> 01:08:12.510 robertthibodeau: Well anytime anytime happy to you know I sit on the dnc to and i've sat there for whatever 70 years now, so and i'm still not great at procedure, but I kind of feel like I just from doing it i've gotten Okay, so we have a motion maker, and we have a second so let's put it to a vote and. 633 01:08:13.950 --> 01:08:16.050 robertthibodeau: Going in the order that we have here. 634 01:08:18.390 --> 01:08:19.350 robertthibodeau: which was. 635 01:08:24.270 --> 01:08:26.160 robertthibodeau: will go allison. 636 01:08:27.870 --> 01:08:30.630 alyson wilson: And favor okay so. 637 01:08:30.630 --> 01:08:33.600 robertthibodeau: Now soon as a yay selena. 638 01:08:34.380 --> 01:08:40.470 robertthibodeau: Yes, yay right again this is Item number. 639 01:08:42.390 --> 01:08:44.130 robertthibodeau: This is the Item number 15. 640 01:08:47.910 --> 01:08:48.990 robertthibodeau: Okay Evan. 641 01:08:50.310 --> 01:08:50.850 Evan Corrigan: Yes. 642 01:08:52.140 --> 01:08:52.950 robertthibodeau: yay. 643 01:08:56.250 --> 01:08:57.990 robertthibodeau: And I will also be a yay. 644 01:08:59.250 --> 01:09:10.920 robertthibodeau: We are unanimous for zero surpasses 4000 okay. 645 01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:16.320 robertthibodeau: Item 16. 646 01:09:17.370 --> 01:09:21.330 robertthibodeau: parking on hey Sean thanks for being so patient with me okay. 647 01:09:23.250 --> 01:09:23.970 Sean obrien: I appreciate it. 648 01:09:24.390 --> 01:09:25.530 robertthibodeau: yeah always. 649 01:09:27.390 --> 01:09:35.640 robertthibodeau: This is a gym you're as presentation suppose yeah Ray you told me, you told me to put it on buddy. 650 01:09:36.030 --> 01:09:38.310 jim murez: week which one which one which one is this. 651 01:09:38.340 --> 01:09:42.210 robertthibodeau: parking on Venice boulevard it Abbot kinney this was your this is your. 652 01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:44.850 jim murez: So yeah that's. 653 01:09:45.930 --> 01:09:47.190 robertthibodeau: We want to point out, we can find. 654 01:09:47.190 --> 01:09:48.270 jim murez: out no, I think. 655 01:09:48.390 --> 01:10:07.890 jim murez: I think it's very important and it's interesting because it's a very, very timely period to talk about it, so let me start because some of you don't know i've been involved in the street design and planning efforts of Venice for the better part of 2530 years. 656 01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:17.820 jim murez: i'm going to share my screen and show you this is a caltrans drawing that was prepared for the relinquishment of Venice boulevard. 657 01:10:19.050 --> 01:10:27.660 jim murez: Going north, south here, you can see, this is abbott Kenny, which actually I think at the time that this was drawn they were just still in the process of renaming it from West Washington. 658 01:10:28.470 --> 01:10:35.280 jim murez: over here on the far side, it says electric I can zoom in on this a little bit, but it'll lose a little bit of the detail. 659 01:10:36.000 --> 01:10:46.380 jim murez: That, I want to show you so tabor court is someplace over in this area over here and what you're seeing is Venice boulevard is here. 660 01:10:47.010 --> 01:10:52.110 jim murez: And this area along in here, where it says landscape by others, and all this other. 661 01:10:52.830 --> 01:11:02.700 jim murez: On both sides of the street, this is the south Venice boulevard here's the median going down the Center of the media and at this point here is 19 feet wide, this is where I planted all of the trees. 662 01:11:03.390 --> 01:11:10.590 jim murez: West of Lincoln the sidewalks here showed tree wells we use we ended up cutting different tree wells. 663 01:11:11.610 --> 01:11:23.460 jim murez: Because the original design that somebody in the city proposed was pine trees and palm trees and nobody in the Community liked it at the time, so we redesigned it. 664 01:11:25.230 --> 01:11:34.590 jim murez: If I show you what it looked like by the time the city ended up getting their coastal development permit there were 77 parking spaces called out. 665 01:11:35.340 --> 01:11:50.310 jim murez: Between avid Kenny and electric none of those parking spaces are there today now one of the reasons that I say that this is very timely i'm. 666 01:11:51.540 --> 01:12:01.770 jim murez: i'm personally as manager of the Venice farmers market very concerned about the long term development project that is occurring at. 667 01:12:03.810 --> 01:12:27.510 jim murez: The Venice median near Pacific and to that effort, one of the things that I want to do is be able to appeal the current permit, because I believe that the city is not going to live up to the coastal development permit that they received many years ago for. 668 01:12:29.250 --> 01:12:40.890 jim murez: The redo the relinquishment of Venice boulevard and so i've been doing a lot of research in the area and I came up with some of the older documents that I hadn't that I had sort of misplaced over the years, actually. 669 01:12:41.940 --> 01:12:53.640 jim murez: The most important part that that I think everybody should be aware of this is a Council file that was back in 96 that. 670 01:12:54.780 --> 01:12:56.880 jim murez: As you open it you go into it. 671 01:13:00.210 --> 01:13:14.910 jim murez: This Council file 96 005 was the precursor to it, and this was adopted let's see if I scroll up here the beginning was adopted back in 97 and. 672 01:13:15.420 --> 01:13:28.080 jim murez: As I go through this and I read the motions that were finally approved and and presented to the coastal Commission for the coastal development permit of the relinquishment of Venice boulevard. 673 01:13:29.040 --> 01:13:41.700 jim murez: There were a lot of things in here, besides being able to have the farmers market in the parking lot that was only then being created, but it called out like right here 155 parking spaces. 674 01:13:42.840 --> 01:13:55.920 jim murez: It calls out all of the public parking that existed prior to the redevelopment of Venice boulevard so originally there was 155 parking spaces. 675 01:13:56.520 --> 01:14:10.020 jim murez: In the median between electric and in ocean avenue, and a lot of those parking spaces got moved around to different places well as you read through here a lot of these things. 676 01:14:10.440 --> 01:14:22.290 jim murez: were defined to be used as replacement parking for something that had happened earlier on in the canals and you can see here Darrell do fe is a guy that that spoke out and testimony. 677 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:33.990 jim murez: The farmers market was mentioned there's a whole bunch of information, but they actually go into a great deal of of intricacy as you scroll through here. 678 01:14:34.740 --> 01:14:44.940 jim murez: i'm trying to see if I can bring up where it's located where they actually start to define all of the parking spaces that existed in each of a lots. 679 01:14:45.570 --> 01:15:00.120 jim murez: And I bring this up now because they're talking about there's emotion being proposed to the Venice neighborhood Council it talks about taking out the Zani parking parking lot, which is farther up by beyond Baroque and turning that into. 680 01:15:01.980 --> 01:15:02.730 jim murez: A shelter. 681 01:15:03.870 --> 01:15:24.360 jim murez: And and it's interesting because in here it's called out that it had to exist as public replacement parking so I wanted to bring I wanted to make you guys aware because air Juan, who is the the tenant on. 682 01:15:25.530 --> 01:15:36.630 jim murez: It may not even be the document, but I know there's a lot of information in here about this, these parking lots and these other Council files coastal permits they call it all out. 683 01:15:37.380 --> 01:15:43.920 jim murez: it's just a ton of reading there's probably 300 pages of reading here anyway i'll stop sharing because it's just information but. 684 01:15:46.380 --> 01:16:09.660 jim murez: Aaron is currently proposing to intensify the use of the air one store by now serving alcohol, they want to be able to do on site and off site alcohol and their permits were for a retail store and a warehouse they're not supposed to be doing any food service preparation on site whatsoever. 685 01:16:10.950 --> 01:16:21.660 jim murez: And they've taken part of the 77 parking spaces and turned it into their parking lot they were originally supposed to provide 24 parking spaces on site. 686 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:39.540 jim murez: The onsite parking spaces were never identified tabor Court was supposed to be part of the passageway for the parking lots that existed along Venice boulevard so people could exit and get back out that was closed off by do T when they created the taper court project. 687 01:16:41.850 --> 01:16:58.500 jim murez: Vice and snap who are across the street vices next door snap is across the street, they have also taken all of that public parking and turned it into their private spaces, if you try and park there they'll either trying to you away or or come out and chase you away. 688 01:16:59.100 --> 01:16:59.730 jim murez: With them very. 689 01:17:00.120 --> 01:17:04.020 robertthibodeau: South side in front of storage in front of snap you can park. 690 01:17:04.620 --> 01:17:16.710 jim murez: You can park but they've identified spaces belonging to individually they've actually painted the curb markers so at any rate, all i'm saying is is is that if any anytime anybody wants to go out there and look at it. 691 01:17:18.270 --> 01:17:24.900 jim murez: The telephone Poles that exists on both the north side and the South side were originally in the sidewalk. 692 01:17:26.010 --> 01:17:28.830 jim murez: They weren't in the street and they weren't in the parking lot. 693 01:17:29.970 --> 01:17:35.970 jim murez: parking lot was created when they realized Venice boulevard and the sidewalks had the telephone Poles. 694 01:17:36.660 --> 01:17:42.960 jim murez: And you can well imagine, where the property lines are because the property lines are in back of the sidewalk. 695 01:17:43.440 --> 01:17:52.800 jim murez: So all of the space that would be in front of the telephone Poles, is clearly public property and it's all been taken over by private use. 696 01:17:53.310 --> 01:18:01.950 jim murez: And if you've ever seen what the traffic jam looks like from the air, one store alone traffic backs up on Venice boulevard in very unsafe ways quite frequently. 697 01:18:02.370 --> 01:18:18.120 jim murez: people trying to turn in and people trying to turn out and well i'm not at all opposed to the air Juan store I think it's a great addition to the Community, I also liked it when Sam nice camera was there in the past, and even the ceramic shop before them but. 698 01:18:19.800 --> 01:18:30.360 jim murez: When when quicksilver went into the building and got the permit to make it a retail store and a warehouse it didn't have the intensification that they have there now. 699 01:18:30.930 --> 01:18:45.120 jim murez: And they're not addressing it instead they're asking to intensify the site more, and so, because this is all parking related shit I decided that I would make parking and transportation committee aware of. 700 01:18:46.170 --> 01:18:56.160 jim murez: The conditions that exist in in writing and legal ease and and, of course, you can all see what actually exists today and reality so. 701 01:18:57.240 --> 01:19:02.670 jim murez: i'm done with my little presentation I don't know what kind of action, you want to take on it, if any. 702 01:19:03.750 --> 01:19:05.400 jim murez: and feel free to ask questions. 703 01:19:06.300 --> 01:19:20.430 Evan Corrigan: that's mind blowing yeah I went back on Google Street View new i'm seeing in from 2012 and before and stuff and you can see, so they basically took the paved over public public parking lot. 704 01:19:20.940 --> 01:19:24.150 jim murez: Well, no, they didn't pay over caltrans actually created it. 705 01:19:25.170 --> 01:19:34.590 jim murez: What they've done is they've divided it up into separate sections on the North, side by putting they actually took out parts of the asphalt put in chain. 706 01:19:35.040 --> 01:19:54.360 jim murez: chains across between bias and erewash so they could categorize it as each has their own and same thing to wear to the north of that or I guess it to the east of that where it becomes Mars auto body so yeah we've lost seven by code, and let me back up for a second. 707 01:19:56.430 --> 01:20:03.120 jim murez: If we go back to the coastal development permit that was issued for the relinquishment of the highway. 708 01:20:05.370 --> 01:20:11.220 jim murez: And we follow the intent of the coastal Commission findings and the city's agreement. 709 01:20:12.840 --> 01:20:24.360 jim murez: We would realize that the improvement of Venice boulevard was not supposed to impose hardship on the local community by allowing this city. 710 01:20:25.440 --> 01:20:32.550 jim murez: To say gee we don't need that parking anymore, we can just do away with it because we're putting in this new superhighway through your community. 711 01:20:34.410 --> 01:20:44.760 jim murez: The intent was if you take away a parking space that was there when the railroad tracks were there, you need to put that parking space back today. 712 01:20:45.780 --> 01:20:54.870 jim murez: And, and so those 77 parking spaces and part of the wording that's in that that document says that they had to be you know basically. 713 01:20:55.590 --> 01:21:10.140 jim murez: In the nearest possible location, so the pies on the parking lot already existed that can't count as part of three placement parking lot 731 already existed that can't count. 714 01:21:10.770 --> 01:21:21.870 jim murez: There was parking lot that was parking spaces in the Venice canals those parking spaces were removed through some other thing that the Council office was doing but they had to be replaced. 715 01:21:22.380 --> 01:21:30.420 jim murez: In the lot 701 so lot 71 in the coastal development permit is required to have 180 parking spaces. 716 01:21:30.780 --> 01:21:41.430 jim murez: But this section of Venice boulevard is also required to have 77 parking spaces and the coastal Commission findings that you can't use the electric tabor court parking lots. 717 01:21:41.760 --> 01:21:52.590 jim murez: Because that was paid for through in lieu funds you can't say double dipping we're going to pay for it out of money that was taken from developers for. 718 01:21:53.400 --> 01:21:58.590 jim murez: parking replacement and then, at the same time, say Oh, but we can't provide enough parking on Venice boulevard. 719 01:21:58.950 --> 01:22:03.720 jim murez: Because we've redesigned it and we're going to use those other parking spaces that we're paying for this other pot of money. 720 01:22:04.380 --> 01:22:15.360 jim murez: They had to actually create 77 parking spaces there, so if there aren't 77 parking spaces there, then what happens the city's in violation of their coastal development permit. 721 01:22:16.020 --> 01:22:36.180 jim murez: And they actually need to come up with some plan of how to put those in now that is completely separate independent from the businesses that are there that have gotten entitlements to improve their property and need to provide parking so when quicksilver went in. 722 01:22:37.230 --> 01:22:49.950 jim murez: quicksilver was the first legal business they went into the building that everyone is now in prior to quicksilver was sammies camera, which was booted out because they didn't have a legal permit and they didn't want to pay to do it. 723 01:22:50.580 --> 01:23:02.070 jim murez: And prior to them the last business before that dated back to the 1940s, it was a ceramic company they used to manufacturers ceramics and there they had been there for decades so. 724 01:23:02.610 --> 01:23:07.110 jim murez: When quicksilver got their permit they were required to put in 24 parking spaces. 725 01:23:07.830 --> 01:23:18.750 jim murez: Well, they went ahead and showed how they were doing it, but it never actually came to fruition, because they were out of business and moved out before it was over, and then everyone came in and took it over. 726 01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:30.990 jim murez: So everyone has never changed their permits they've never gotten a change of us to have a kitchen and food services on site or outdoor dining or. 727 01:23:31.920 --> 01:23:42.060 jim murez: valet parking or any of the other things that they have and all of those things, create additional parking demand and traffic impacts and none of those things have ever been considered. 728 01:23:43.020 --> 01:23:57.210 jim murez: So the idea would be perhaps in the Community plan even to look at you know does tapered court actually flow in the correct direction should tape record becoming into Venice boulevard or should it be going away from Venice boulevard. 729 01:23:59.190 --> 01:24:07.320 jim murez: And you know that that we could look at in a whole separate discussion, but yeah there's a whole bunch of stuff that could all be considered based on. 730 01:24:08.010 --> 01:24:17.940 jim murez: what's happened on Venice boulevard and it all ties into the monster on the media, because if the monster on the medium is now claiming that they're creating parking spaces, that that. 731 01:24:18.990 --> 01:24:28.710 jim murez: are not there today, then you have to ask yourself well wait a minute they claim that they were complying with their previous coastal development permit Well, we know they're not. 732 01:24:29.490 --> 01:24:33.600 jim murez: Because I just showed you a map where there's 77 parking spaces that don't exist today. 733 01:24:33.870 --> 01:24:40.830 jim murez: For public use so unless they're going to take those back from the businesses and actually stripe and show 77 parking spaces. 734 01:24:41.100 --> 01:24:53.790 jim murez: Those 77 parking spaces need to go into the monster on the medium project and be accounted for, but they're not being accounted for so that's a whole separate issue, but you know that's what sort of bringing all of this to a head steam so. 735 01:24:56.220 --> 01:24:57.540 jim murez: that's what I can bring to the table. 736 01:24:58.860 --> 01:25:06.720 jim murez: I can only i'm only writing an appeal, based on the farmers market being impacted by the construction cycle of the. 737 01:25:08.250 --> 01:25:10.140 jim murez: monster project at 731. 738 01:25:11.460 --> 01:25:26.700 robertthibodeau: You get a lot of things going on here yep do you have I mean i'm i'm pretty familiar with erewash and the parking you're talking about not with the old docs that you've got but they're not surprising me, I mean I always knew that there was. 739 01:25:28.020 --> 01:25:38.700 robertthibodeau: There was eminent domain took the property away when they widened the highway so I believe there was an eminent domain that happened at one point in time, that. 740 01:25:40.140 --> 01:25:41.250 robertthibodeau: That and then. 741 01:25:42.300 --> 01:25:52.170 robertthibodeau: When the highway was never widen the businesses seem to go back and take kind of retake this you shaking your head, but, but I think i'm not too far off. 742 01:25:52.560 --> 01:25:56.100 jim murez: The actual you're extremely far off Robert Schweppes done. 743 01:25:59.640 --> 01:26:20.310 jim murez: No, excuse me that's not his name he's the other one Robert Robert slayton who owns Mars body apart filed for an coastal development permit to be able to take the property and coastal Commission said no, you can't have it right and and the corner, that is, the Jerry bruckheimer property. 744 01:26:22.320 --> 01:26:32.130 jim murez: That was given back to Jerry bruckheimer after 12 years of going through a city process and the only reason was given back to them is because bond and made a deal with them. 745 01:26:33.120 --> 01:26:45.420 jim murez: It was a behind closed door deal, but the coastal Commission at already ruled that that property could not be given back to that private property owner, but bond and agreed through a court case that it could be so it locked. 746 01:26:46.440 --> 01:26:48.990 jim murez: The coastal Commission out of the process. 747 01:26:50.760 --> 01:26:51.210 robertthibodeau: Okay. 748 01:26:51.330 --> 01:26:53.070 jim murez: i'm extremely familiar with it, Robert. 749 01:26:53.280 --> 01:26:58.290 robertthibodeau: yeah I know I know you've you were one of the appellants on the brook kind of thing. 750 01:26:59.370 --> 01:27:03.180 robertthibodeau: yeah so Okay, but we don't really have emotion on the table. 751 01:27:03.240 --> 01:27:15.330 robertthibodeau: No so you're bringing this to our attention yep so I encourage the other members of the committee to maybe walk walk that if you want to and. 752 01:27:16.320 --> 01:27:29.280 robertthibodeau: Jim if you do want to put emotion together for the next meeting, maybe we could entertain it and if there is one I do hesitate a little bit personally because. 753 01:27:30.990 --> 01:27:34.560 robertthibodeau: I think, in general, everyone has if we're talking specifically about erewash. 754 01:27:35.730 --> 01:27:38.010 robertthibodeau: It may not be perfect, but. 755 01:27:39.390 --> 01:27:40.710 robertthibodeau: they're good and. 756 01:27:42.330 --> 01:28:01.350 jim murez: yeah nobody wants to see everyone go away, I agree, I guess the bigger question is whether or not parking and transportation wants to ask the city to review and comply to the coastal development permit that called out the parking spaces on Venice boulevard during the time of the relinquishment. 757 01:28:02.100 --> 01:28:14.520 robertthibodeau: To some extent, more public parking, even if it was public and not sort of privatized is this happened now there might actually be beneficial, so we might not be hurting air one, because if. 758 01:28:15.570 --> 01:28:25.530 robertthibodeau: That was a bunch of angled parking like your diagram showed then certainly people could use it for one just like they used to tape record parking now for everyone. 759 01:28:26.940 --> 01:28:36.840 robertthibodeau: To supplement the existing parking, which is certainly substandard i'm not personally is concerned with substandard parking maybe, as some people are. 760 01:28:37.770 --> 01:28:42.780 robertthibodeau: Because I think it's sort of a natural outgrowth when a business is successful on a URBAN. 761 01:28:43.350 --> 01:28:51.630 robertthibodeau: lot that you tend tend to get these things, I mean we've seen it with Julian and we've seen it with other businesses if those businesses were not successful, we wouldn't. 762 01:28:52.170 --> 01:29:01.740 robertthibodeau: ever have discussed it, because you know, but when they when they are very successful, then all of a sudden, it becomes you know it becomes more of an issue but. 763 01:29:02.490 --> 01:29:13.950 robertthibodeau: But yeah let's let's take a look at it, and if you want to bring some sort of motion to to something or other, you know i'm happy to having to put it on the on the calendar I just don't don't think we're going to get it together tonight. 764 01:29:14.310 --> 01:29:22.410 jim murez: Well, you know, Robert in in thinking about it, while we're talking here, maybe this is something to take up as part of a Community plan. 765 01:29:23.610 --> 01:29:31.680 jim murez: Point that that there were so many parking spaces approved because they existed before the roadway was improved. 766 01:29:32.490 --> 01:29:45.210 jim murez: And the city's responsible for those and to put that additional burden on private property owners, is not a benefit, so the city really should be coming up with those additional parking spaces. 767 01:29:45.450 --> 01:29:51.900 robertthibodeau: Agreed, I mean I think it's unfair that they nail you with the beach impact zone parking. 768 01:29:53.220 --> 01:30:05.880 robertthibodeau: And then, at the same time, and the other hand, are they're perfectly willing to take away, you know public street spaces, for whatever reason happens to be the cause of the moment. 769 01:30:05.970 --> 01:30:11.850 robertthibodeau: You know, and yet if you're trying to open a business on a small lot you get. 770 01:30:12.690 --> 01:30:13.350 robertthibodeau: us very. 771 01:30:13.680 --> 01:30:15.060 robertthibodeau: very heavily taxed. 772 01:30:15.090 --> 01:30:20.280 robertthibodeau: By yeah policy and and I was certainly going to bring that up as part of the Community, I. 773 01:30:20.280 --> 01:30:30.960 jim murez: mean they they create the the the stumbling blocks, by creating high parking demand requirements and then in turn don't help provide any solutions. 774 01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:31.140 jim murez: When. 775 01:30:31.350 --> 01:30:34.320 robertthibodeau: When it applies to them and they don't follow through on their own. 776 01:30:34.380 --> 01:30:42.420 jim murez: And this is even worse than that this is a case where they agreed that they would provide it, and now they're looking the other way and saying Oh well. 777 01:30:45.180 --> 01:30:47.010 robertthibodeau: Okay well all great. 778 01:30:47.370 --> 01:30:58.740 Selena Inouye: say, though, I think I heard Jim just say something that would be an emotion that I could support, which is to basically asked for an accounting. 779 01:30:59.190 --> 01:31:15.690 Selena Inouye: Of the parking spaces that were supposed to be provided and what's actually being provided right now and sending it that request to what led ot to ask them to do an inventory and Compare that to what is supposed to be provided. 780 01:31:16.590 --> 01:31:19.260 robertthibodeau: And attach attach these old documents to it. 781 01:31:20.130 --> 01:31:22.920 Selena Inouye: yeah is that what I heard you say Jim. 782 01:31:22.950 --> 01:31:33.510 jim murez: yeah I think that that would be very timely I think if you did that that would, if the dnc could pass such emotion that could definitely go forward to the coastal Commission as well. 783 01:31:34.110 --> 01:31:41.370 Selena Inouye: Okay, so i'd like to make that motion based on how we just discussed it, and what an input that Jim gave us. 784 01:31:42.600 --> 01:31:58.680 robertthibodeau: Okay, you got it and you can you be i'm going to write this down as you're you're speaking so give me give me your specific language, as well as you can for the thing, just like I just did with allison and we'll we'll try and get the motion together so shoot it out and you ready. 785 01:31:59.700 --> 01:32:22.080 Selena Inouye: Okay i'll try, so the motion would be to request that la do T do an accounting of how many public parking spaces are available on Venice boulevard near the intersection of Abbot kinney and Compare that to the previous what are they called. 786 01:32:22.230 --> 01:32:23.640 jim murez: Social Development permits. 787 01:32:23.880 --> 01:32:33.420 Selena Inouye: permits that stated how many spaces should be provided and to provide that information to the Venice neighborhood Council. 788 01:32:37.890 --> 01:32:40.140 robertthibodeau: Okay, I got you went fast. 789 01:32:40.170 --> 01:32:41.070 Selena Inouye: And I right sorry. 790 01:32:41.220 --> 01:32:53.730 robertthibodeau: I got up no it's all good let's just try it again I got up to motion to require motion to request that led to an accounting of how many parking spaces are available. 791 01:32:58.980 --> 01:32:59.580 robertthibodeau: On. 792 01:33:00.450 --> 01:33:01.740 jim murez: I mean, can I just. 793 01:33:01.980 --> 01:33:03.390 jim murez: refine in a tiny bit. 794 01:33:03.840 --> 01:33:09.600 jim murez: I would say that were that were included in the coastal development permit. 795 01:33:11.010 --> 01:33:15.240 jim murez: For the relinquishment or during the relinquishment of highway 187. 796 01:33:16.350 --> 01:33:20.610 jim murez: And that would include everything from Lincoln to Pacific. 797 01:33:22.290 --> 01:33:34.500 robertthibodeau: motion to requested la do to do an accounting of how many parking spaces are available as a related to on are available on Venice boulevard between. 798 01:33:37.440 --> 01:33:38.340 robertthibodeau: Lincoln. 799 01:33:39.990 --> 01:33:42.570 robertthibodeau: And Pacific. 800 01:33:46.890 --> 01:33:47.730 robertthibodeau: As. 801 01:33:48.840 --> 01:33:49.710 robertthibodeau: related. 802 01:33:51.090 --> 01:33:51.900 robertthibodeau: To. 803 01:33:54.840 --> 01:33:56.460 robertthibodeau: Coastal development permit. 804 01:33:57.990 --> 01:33:58.650 robertthibodeau: or. 805 01:33:59.700 --> 01:34:04.260 robertthibodeau: The the LNG which. 806 01:34:05.880 --> 01:34:10.260 jim murez: meant, I think the progress of development permit number. 807 01:34:11.760 --> 01:34:13.680 jim murez: is actually listed there. 808 01:34:16.440 --> 01:34:19.920 jim murez: 96 dash 0056. 809 01:34:20.100 --> 01:34:21.420 robertthibodeau: dash 00. 810 01:34:28.980 --> 01:34:33.870 robertthibodeau: relinquishment of state highway blah blah blah blah blah or relinquishment of Venice boulevard. 811 01:34:35.490 --> 01:34:38.070 Selena Inouye: State highway 87 Venice boulevard. 812 01:34:39.270 --> 01:34:41.130 Selena Inouye: in Venice California hey. 813 01:34:42.240 --> 01:34:44.580 robertthibodeau: Wait 187. 814 01:34:45.660 --> 01:34:46.410 robertthibodeau: And this. 815 01:34:47.640 --> 01:34:48.240 word. 816 01:34:49.980 --> 01:34:52.200 robertthibodeau: Okay, and then you said something about. 817 01:34:55.710 --> 01:34:57.120 robertthibodeau: la do T. 818 01:34:58.740 --> 01:34:59.520 robertthibodeau: Report. 819 01:35:00.780 --> 01:35:01.920 results. 820 01:35:03.990 --> 01:35:06.300 robertthibodeau: To be see. 821 01:35:07.980 --> 01:35:13.110 Selena Inouye: The only edit I would make is where you put parking I would put public parking. 822 01:35:13.560 --> 01:35:14.190 robertthibodeau: Very good. 823 01:35:15.840 --> 01:35:16.290 robertthibodeau: carrot. 824 01:35:17.520 --> 01:35:24.030 robertthibodeau: parking got it okay i'm going to read it back to you guys, please at at me motion. 825 01:35:27.030 --> 01:35:50.820 robertthibodeau: to request that la do to do an accounting of how many public parking spaces are available on Venice boulevard between Lincoln and Pacific as related to the CDP number 96 dash 005 for the relinquishment of state highway 187 Venice boulevard. 826 01:35:52.200 --> 01:35:55.560 robertthibodeau: Report results to the the ends. 827 01:35:57.360 --> 01:35:57.840 robertthibodeau: But I got. 828 01:35:58.890 --> 01:36:02.970 jim murez: And maybe just add on there when you send out the request. 829 01:36:05.580 --> 01:36:07.320 jim murez: copying the coastal Commission. 830 01:36:08.610 --> 01:36:08.940 In. 831 01:36:10.200 --> 01:36:13.380 robertthibodeau: California coastal property CCC okay. 832 01:36:13.890 --> 01:36:16.230 jim murez: And you need a second, you need a second on the emotional. 833 01:36:16.230 --> 01:36:19.980 robertthibodeau: beforehand yeah i'm just trying to get the motion down and do we have a second. 834 01:36:23.700 --> 01:36:25.410 robertthibodeau: I see allison second. 835 01:36:35.370 --> 01:36:43.380 robertthibodeau: And that last one was Sean that was actually allison who made the motion in Salina who second to write it was reverse. 836 01:36:44.490 --> 01:36:45.870 robertthibodeau: write this down, so I got it. 837 01:36:53.940 --> 01:36:54.330 Okay. 838 01:36:55.770 --> 01:37:02.490 robertthibodeau: Okay, so we have emotion, a second to we have public comment attendees I see a hand up. 839 01:37:04.290 --> 01:37:06.660 robertthibodeau: calm and I see shauna Brian. 840 01:37:07.560 --> 01:37:24.240 Sean obrien: yeah I support the amendment or the amendment, the motion all Jim helped me if here if i'm wrong, I thought this has been requested in the past and the city has not answered this for many, many years, but I do I do. 841 01:37:25.920 --> 01:37:27.690 Sean obrien: I do, like the motion picture. 842 01:37:29.280 --> 01:37:49.140 jim murez: So, in response to your comment, the parking and transportation committee back in 2017 I believe was that about right allison we require requested an inventory of all of the parking all of the on street parking and off street parking. 843 01:37:50.280 --> 01:37:56.190 jim murez: That is from from the Department of city planning and they were required to do it. 844 01:37:57.720 --> 01:38:05.580 jim murez: For the update and use plan in our Community plan and, to this date, they have not yet produced it, they did send people out. 845 01:38:06.120 --> 01:38:15.780 jim murez: And they counted parking spaces on street they didn't ever do the off street part there's a lot of documentation with the street park but they've never presented a final count. 846 01:38:17.040 --> 01:38:26.970 jim murez: And we've asked for it many times and it means been asked for in a public records request lots of different ways you're right, this is more narrow than that this is only talking about Venice boulevard. 847 01:38:27.270 --> 01:38:28.770 robertthibodeau: let's do it again, you know. 848 01:38:30.300 --> 01:38:37.350 robertthibodeau: Okay nope i'm thanks Sean and we have any more board comment. 849 01:38:38.730 --> 01:38:40.650 Evan Corrigan: Can I see the motion on screen. 850 01:38:43.020 --> 01:38:44.940 robertthibodeau: Can you see it on screen. 851 01:38:46.770 --> 01:38:48.870 Evan Corrigan: Did you write it down physically or Google. 852 01:38:48.930 --> 01:38:51.330 robertthibodeau: I physically wrote it down by hand I can read it again. 853 01:38:52.170 --> 01:38:53.460 Evan Corrigan: Sure yeah. 854 01:38:53.760 --> 01:39:07.770 robertthibodeau: Okay, so we have motion to request that led ot do and accounting of how many public parking spaces are available on Venice boulevard between Lincoln and Pacific as related to. 855 01:39:08.850 --> 01:39:15.840 robertthibodeau: The CDP number 96 dash 005 for the relinquishment of state highway. 856 01:39:17.280 --> 01:39:18.960 robertthibodeau: backslash Venice boulevard. 857 01:39:20.760 --> 01:39:30.210 robertthibodeau: Report results to the dnc copy CCC and you know I would say Council office always because that's our role but. 858 01:39:32.640 --> 01:39:36.060 jim murez: appreciated yeah that's fine this Council office to. 859 01:39:37.980 --> 01:39:40.440 jim murez: Why not, I would actually submit the request, all three of them. 860 01:39:42.210 --> 01:39:42.540 robertthibodeau: Okay. 861 01:39:44.250 --> 01:39:47.340 robertthibodeau: let's take a boat seeing whether it was that good Evan. 862 01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.610 robertthibodeau: yeah i'm sorry I didn't you know. 863 01:39:53.880 --> 01:40:01.380 robertthibodeau: john was good at taking the notes on the computer over this stuff by hand, while we were doing this i'm not that guy. 864 01:40:03.360 --> 01:40:04.770 Evan Corrigan: I can try to do that, next time. 865 01:40:05.850 --> 01:40:09.540 robertthibodeau: I would love that if you could you know that's kind of what one of the things he did. 866 01:40:11.070 --> 01:40:12.930 robertthibodeau: Okay, so. 867 01:40:14.430 --> 01:40:20.130 robertthibodeau: So Okay, then let's start with Evan this time reverse order. 868 01:40:20.430 --> 01:40:21.150 Yes. 869 01:40:22.290 --> 01:40:24.900 robertthibodeau: Heaven is a yay selena. 870 01:40:26.550 --> 01:40:27.060 Selena Inouye: Yes. 871 01:40:27.510 --> 01:40:29.460 alyson wilson: allison yes. 872 01:40:30.270 --> 01:40:48.210 robertthibodeau: and Robert yes, so we have 400 on that very well done, that brings us to our that was nice Jim, thank you for the history lesson on that, I mean I feel like I had I didn't know some of that actually from before, but certainly not that depth. 873 01:40:48.750 --> 01:41:02.190 jim murez: there's that's just the tip man when you start looking at that, and you read just the part about parking lot 71 and what the city is required to do on an annual basis. 874 01:41:02.370 --> 01:41:08.310 jim murez: Right you're going to be shocked, you could create a whole new motion just about that it's written in that one report. 875 01:41:10.890 --> 01:41:20.490 jim murez: has to do with stormwater management it's part of its part of what the Community plan needs to cover, which is called best management practices right. 876 01:41:21.420 --> 01:41:26.910 jim murez: stormwater management, what do you do with the water that comes down from the rainfall it lands on the streets and in the parking lots. 877 01:41:27.360 --> 01:41:36.600 jim murez: How do you how do you deal with that water in the most productive way possible to get the grease out of it from the cars, how do you clean it so you can use it for watering trees. 878 01:41:38.670 --> 01:41:52.290 robertthibodeau: okey dokey so last one here is Adam 17 is is the staff stuff I think we voted on this before Can someone help me remember if we voted on this before. 879 01:41:53.790 --> 01:41:57.390 robertthibodeau: So this was for the illuminated bus bench. 880 01:41:58.980 --> 01:42:02.490 robertthibodeau: I don't either i'm either deja vu, or we voted on this about six months ago. 881 01:42:02.940 --> 01:42:08.160 Selena Inouye: Actually, I believe there was emotion from Rack that came out about. 882 01:42:09.240 --> 01:42:10.200 Selena Inouye: half ago. 883 01:42:10.260 --> 01:42:18.990 Selena Inouye: Right asking for the Member Councils to support it, and I believe that the dnc was one of the council's that did support it. 884 01:42:19.470 --> 01:42:40.170 Selena Inouye: Since then, the program has revealed elements that were not discussed 18 months ago and the biggest one is these digital billboards that they want to put on the bus stops and the controversy about those digital billboards. 885 01:42:41.400 --> 01:42:55.770 Selena Inouye: there's members of the community who feel that there should be an environmental impact report done regarding the digital billboards there's concerned about driver distraction there's concern about light pollution and. 886 01:42:56.640 --> 01:43:03.960 Selena Inouye: Advertising pollution i'm part of the issue here, though, is that those digital billboards will. 887 01:43:04.860 --> 01:43:16.770 Selena Inouye: generate income and my understanding is that half of that income will go to each of the Council offices so that's why the Council offices would like to see this go through. 888 01:43:17.760 --> 01:43:26.700 Selena Inouye: they've been trying to push this through city council and get it final approval they've run into some stumbling blocks, this was supposed to be approved. 889 01:43:27.360 --> 01:43:37.770 Selena Inouye: December of last year, and now it's just run into a bunch of problems, but I do believe the City Council is still trying to push it through. 890 01:43:40.740 --> 01:43:41.310 Selena Inouye: The update. 891 01:43:42.030 --> 01:43:44.010 robertthibodeau: So for those unfamiliar. 892 01:43:45.750 --> 01:43:51.000 robertthibodeau: And I don't know if I put a link to this, I probably didn't so i'm going to explain it. 893 01:43:52.050 --> 01:43:52.650 robertthibodeau: they're. 894 01:43:54.240 --> 01:44:10.410 robertthibodeau: The they're looking at what the new bus benches are going to look like and for the shelter's like right now they've got those posters on the side that everybody likes to break the tempered, glass and then you see the big pile of tempered glass underneath that seems to be like a thing. 895 01:44:13.950 --> 01:44:18.690 robertthibodeau: And instead of doing that they're going to put these flashing digital. 896 01:44:19.740 --> 01:44:22.770 robertthibodeau: Advertising signs on the sides of the bus benches. 897 01:44:24.270 --> 01:44:26.850 robertthibodeau: And so that's really what this is about right now. 898 01:44:28.230 --> 01:44:34.560 robertthibodeau: And I guess, I would propose I don't know this is a CIS, because I don't know what the. 899 01:44:35.850 --> 01:44:40.680 jim murez: You don't need to you just need to say that you want to see is submitted to the Council file. 900 01:44:41.970 --> 01:44:46.650 robertthibodeau: yeah I just don't know if it's up for a vote for counsel, so I don't know how to reference it, but we could discuss that. 901 01:44:47.160 --> 01:44:55.200 jim murez: don't you don't have to once, so let me back up for a second if the board adopts a motion so, for instance, you say we want to see. 902 01:44:56.100 --> 01:45:06.420 jim murez: Digital billboards on every bus shelter throughout the city and you pass that motion and the dnc passes that motion if there's an open Council file. 903 01:45:07.080 --> 01:45:23.520 jim murez: i'm allowed to post a Community impact statement on any resolution that the Board has passed, so I can just submit it as a community impact statement you don't have to reference that it's a Community impact statement you just have to take a position, and then the Board has to. 904 01:45:24.870 --> 01:45:25.800 jim murez: validate that. 905 01:45:27.420 --> 01:45:28.230 jim murez: Does that make sense. 906 01:45:29.400 --> 01:45:34.680 robertthibodeau: So if we were to make a motion to create a CIS, or would be. 907 01:45:34.980 --> 01:45:42.570 jim murez: You know you just create emotion, you say you know we don't we don't like digital billboards or we like digital billboards. 908 01:45:42.930 --> 01:45:43.350 robertthibodeau: we're going to. 909 01:45:43.500 --> 01:45:47.880 jim murez: The Board will then take that and voted up or down. 910 01:45:50.100 --> 01:45:59.190 jim murez: And then the Community impact statement part can be filed at any point in time there's a Council filed dealing with digital billboards on bus benches. 911 01:46:02.280 --> 01:46:04.680 robertthibodeau: Okay, so i'm taking a crack at it. 912 01:46:06.690 --> 01:46:14.310 robertthibodeau: Could it be something as simple as a motion to oppose the installation of digital billboards on bus benches. 913 01:46:15.930 --> 01:46:21.630 jim murez: Not on bus benches, they would be on but at bus shelters, but yes, that it could be that so. 914 01:46:23.160 --> 01:46:24.630 robertthibodeau: Digital. 915 01:46:28.710 --> 01:46:33.180 jim murez: And I would probably put in their electronic because digital could be all sorts of different things. 916 01:46:34.140 --> 01:46:36.000 robertthibodeau: So electronic instead of digital. 917 01:46:36.270 --> 01:46:36.690 yeah. 918 01:46:39.570 --> 01:46:41.250 robertthibodeau: Electronic billboards. 919 01:46:42.510 --> 01:46:43.170 robertthibodeau: On. 920 01:46:44.310 --> 01:46:44.850 robertthibodeau: us. 921 01:46:47.400 --> 01:46:55.560 jim murez: For at bus shelters and and information chaos like there's an information chaos in front of a 12 man. 922 01:46:56.280 --> 01:46:57.480 robertthibodeau: Removing that, by the way. 923 01:46:58.110 --> 01:47:04.500 jim murez: yeah yeah I know you should it was never put in with the coastal development permit I have proof of that, let me know when you want that file. 924 01:47:05.400 --> 01:47:07.020 robertthibodeau: I think it's already shown on the approved. 925 01:47:08.250 --> 01:47:09.780 robertthibodeau: Whatever it is the perimeter. 926 01:47:10.050 --> 01:47:11.610 Whatever the hell, it is to remove. 927 01:47:13.260 --> 01:47:28.080 robertthibodeau: Okay So what do you guys, so I wrote a motion, but what do you guys have to make a motion, if you want to, and I said motion to oppose the installation of electronic billboards it bunch bus shelters information kiosks. 928 01:47:29.730 --> 01:47:30.930 alyson wilson: I like that motion. 929 01:47:32.700 --> 01:47:34.080 robertthibodeau: Evan you want a second something. 930 01:47:34.890 --> 01:47:41.010 Evan Corrigan: yeah I just want to ask is there any discussion of alternative fundraising efforts. 931 01:47:41.760 --> 01:47:42.480 Evan Corrigan: I know that. 932 01:47:42.600 --> 01:47:46.050 jim murez: So so first you make the motion, then you second the motion, then you. 933 01:47:46.170 --> 01:47:47.940 jim murez: can discuss the. 934 01:47:48.270 --> 01:47:48.720 Evan Corrigan: Second. 935 01:47:48.900 --> 01:47:50.670 jim murez: day of just parliamentary procedure. 936 01:47:51.510 --> 01:47:52.020 Evan Corrigan: Thank you. 937 01:47:52.380 --> 01:47:53.580 robertthibodeau: So we have. 938 01:47:57.060 --> 01:47:59.340 jim murez: Now you go into public comment, then you discuss. 939 01:48:01.110 --> 01:48:04.830 robertthibodeau: Okay, public comment on this kalani scatter hand up ready. 940 01:48:07.080 --> 01:48:11.310 robertthibodeau: or oops Connie you can talk right. 941 01:48:11.790 --> 01:48:12.780 Kalani W (MDR): Great um. 942 01:48:13.860 --> 01:48:19.890 Kalani W (MDR): I, I agree with this motion, I do hope that you will expound on it and. 943 01:48:21.180 --> 01:48:21.660 Kalani W (MDR): I think. 944 01:48:21.690 --> 01:48:23.580 Kalani W (MDR): data shows that it. 945 01:48:25.080 --> 01:48:33.240 Kalani W (MDR): does cause a distraction to drivers and most of our bus bus benches are along city streets, and is it. 946 01:48:34.440 --> 01:48:52.350 Kalani W (MDR): increases the danger and distraction for drivers, not to mention the lights that it emits for, especially those bus benches that are in neighborhoods close to housing, the lights that emit the light it emits does. 947 01:48:53.790 --> 01:48:54.900 Kalani W (MDR): create a. 948 01:48:56.070 --> 01:48:59.940 Kalani W (MDR): nuisance for residents in the area, thank you. 949 01:49:00.540 --> 01:49:02.280 robertthibodeau: absolutely agree thanks kalani. 950 01:49:03.750 --> 01:49:06.810 jim murez: Robert if you wanted what you could do is you could put where as. 951 01:49:08.370 --> 01:49:18.570 jim murez: and start start start the the the motion off i'm just talking to you now you don't have to but i'm just saying, if you wanted to incorporate her comments, for instance, you could say, whereas. 952 01:49:20.160 --> 01:49:21.660 jim murez: The the PTC. 953 01:49:22.890 --> 01:49:32.970 jim murez: You know, believes that these are distracting for drivers and then, whereas light emitting from these could be considered. 954 01:49:34.380 --> 01:49:34.740 You know. 955 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:37.470 jim murez: aggravation or whatever to. 956 01:49:37.950 --> 01:49:41.730 jim murez: Joining resident or budding residents rental units, or whatever. 957 01:49:44.820 --> 01:49:50.730 jim murez: So now, would you use the whereas is before it, and then you say the emotion afterwards. 958 01:49:52.200 --> 01:49:54.270 robertthibodeau: Okay, I tried to call that in there. 959 01:49:54.480 --> 01:49:54.840 yeah. 960 01:49:59.130 --> 01:50:04.980 robertthibodeau: Okay, I don't see shawn stand up it's only got two people in the audience so it's going to now put it at us. 961 01:50:05.160 --> 01:50:06.390 jim murez: Close public comments. 962 01:50:06.450 --> 01:50:10.830 robertthibodeau: Was public comment and board comment or committee comments, excuse me. 963 01:50:12.120 --> 01:50:14.460 robertthibodeau: So Evan had something you wanted to say Evan. 964 01:50:14.850 --> 01:50:16.020 Evan Corrigan: You were asked me about something. 965 01:50:16.050 --> 01:50:20.040 Evan Corrigan: Totally hate that advertising as well, I was just wondering if. 966 01:50:21.330 --> 01:50:27.600 Evan Corrigan: You had you know, obviously, the city needs money and if anybody had discussed like alternative. 967 01:50:28.860 --> 01:50:31.860 Evan Corrigan: kind of ways, a city could make that money that same amount of money. 968 01:50:33.750 --> 01:50:34.230 Evan Corrigan: They would. 969 01:50:34.410 --> 01:50:35.970 alyson wilson: Take it overnight parking. 970 01:50:40.320 --> 01:50:44.460 robertthibodeau: I think the city's got a lot of money i'm going to be blind, I think the city's got a ton of money. 971 01:50:44.790 --> 01:50:51.870 robertthibodeau: yeah I really do I don't think that's best bench things going to put the CD into poverty. 972 01:50:52.770 --> 01:51:02.730 jim murez: And the the last bus shelter program that they did with was it dice dice Sam hi selena, how do you how do you pronounce it I can't. 973 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:08.130 Selena Inouye: I can't think of the name off the top of my head, I know how to pronounce it I do know there in the. 974 01:51:08.130 --> 01:51:17.460 Selena Inouye: razor yeah I knew though they're in the running to get the program again yeah we're a lot of problems with them managing it oh God the. 975 01:51:17.520 --> 01:51:25.560 jim murez: games on the tip of my tongue can contend, the people that were supposed to manage the bus shelter program the last time writing it's dice and or something like that. 976 01:51:26.280 --> 01:51:38.430 jim murez: diocese and their names on a bunch of them, they were supposed to maintain all of the area around the shelters, including the sidewalks and they have done a terrible job of doing that. 977 01:51:39.660 --> 01:51:43.860 robertthibodeau: As see them out with the scrubbers sometimes they have pressure washing scrub. 978 01:51:44.340 --> 01:51:46.260 robertthibodeau: yeah but I mean so much lately but. 979 01:51:46.830 --> 01:51:51.180 jim murez: A lot of them are not maintain i'm not saying that they're all not maintained i'm. 980 01:51:51.180 --> 01:51:54.840 jim murez: just saying a lot of them are not maintain the. 981 01:51:56.490 --> 01:52:08.490 jim murez: The other interesting thing is, they were supposed to provide public service announcements and so, if you look at, for instance, the billboard that's in front of a 12 main, which is the corner of advocacy and main. 982 01:52:09.300 --> 01:52:19.200 jim murez: The one that makes all the money is always on the street side, the one that's the public service announcements always pointing towards the sidewalk and it's that's the way it's been ever since they put it in. 983 01:52:20.670 --> 01:52:28.470 jim murez: You know it's just a program that was supposed to fund the city and it never did and and they're just you know. 984 01:52:29.490 --> 01:52:33.210 jim murez: playing into, in my opinion they're just playing into the billboard companies. 985 01:52:33.930 --> 01:52:35.160 jim murez: pockets yeah. 986 01:52:35.670 --> 01:52:37.980 robertthibodeau: there's some donations and stuff there Jim. 987 01:52:38.010 --> 01:52:38.370 Yes. 988 01:52:41.100 --> 01:52:42.450 robertthibodeau: okey doke and more. 989 01:52:43.680 --> 01:52:44.640 robertthibodeau: Committee comment. 990 01:52:45.900 --> 01:52:48.960 robertthibodeau: But it to a vote wrap this up last one. 991 01:52:51.450 --> 01:52:53.280 robertthibodeau: Okay, then so. 992 01:52:54.630 --> 01:52:55.890 robertthibodeau: Are we start with selena. 993 01:52:57.480 --> 01:52:57.990 Yes. 994 01:52:59.130 --> 01:52:59.910 robertthibodeau: allison. 995 01:53:00.270 --> 01:53:00.810 Yes. 996 01:53:01.860 --> 01:53:08.790 robertthibodeau: Evan yes and then Robert yes to so we get 400 once again. 997 01:53:12.330 --> 01:53:20.160 robertthibodeau: Okay we've got a does any of you have comments on items, not on the agenda for considerations, yes Evan. 998 01:53:20.730 --> 01:53:25.950 Evan Corrigan: Just I mean i'll wrap this up quick, but the sidewalks are really rough. 999 01:53:26.250 --> 01:53:26.640 mm hmm. 1000 01:53:27.690 --> 01:53:28.050 robertthibodeau: mm hmm. 1001 01:53:28.560 --> 01:53:34.650 Evan Corrigan: Does anybody thinking about that i'm working on a how to how the sidewalks can fix like. 1002 01:53:35.880 --> 01:53:36.420 Evan Corrigan: A road with. 1003 01:53:36.780 --> 01:53:38.280 robertthibodeau: A positively there was money. 1004 01:53:38.460 --> 01:53:50.430 robertthibodeau: There was money somewhere, this is coming up in front of the dnc once or twice supposedly there was like this mysterious pot of gold, that was to fix the sidewalks I don't know and supposedly there's some sort of like. 1005 01:53:51.540 --> 01:53:53.370 robertthibodeau: rating system that the. 1006 01:53:54.750 --> 01:54:09.060 robertthibodeau: Is it a bit weird yo te has done on like the worst sidewalk repairs, I agree, sadly, a lot of it is tree planting is sort of moved like tree planting just crushes the sidewalk me. 1007 01:54:09.420 --> 01:54:15.450 jim murez: know me I was the one that planted the damn trees, a lot of them, you know they they broke up the sidewalk but. 1008 01:54:15.870 --> 01:54:25.380 robertthibodeau: I don't think the ones who invented as bad as the ones in you know where the streets are near or and then people put in a ficus it's just you know it's insane. 1009 01:54:25.650 --> 01:54:26.640 robertthibodeau: yeah what's going on. 1010 01:54:26.700 --> 01:54:39.150 jim murez: You know, I guess, if you wanted to put forward emotion and a future meeting that wrote a letter to to the department of public works, they used to have through street services. 1011 01:54:40.050 --> 01:54:51.450 jim murez: cost sharing program where if the property owner put up 50% of the money to repair the sidewalk the city would put up the other 50% they discontinued that Program. 1012 01:54:52.140 --> 01:55:03.540 jim murez: And and that's a real shame, because it was very effective now with all of the money that's trickling down from the Federal Government for infrastructure, one would think that the city could just come in and fix all the. 1013 01:55:03.540 --> 01:55:05.310 jim murez: sidewalks but they're not going to do that. 1014 01:55:06.060 --> 01:55:21.300 jim murez: But you could certainly put forward a motion to some something along the lines of you know there's funding available let's get our sidewalks fixed maybe you know reinvent the the the share program or something like that to share the expense Program. 1015 01:55:21.450 --> 01:55:23.070 robertthibodeau: So I think it's a great issue. 1016 01:55:24.990 --> 01:55:30.990 robertthibodeau: Also, and one that we should be concerned about, because I agree, you know we just see them getting worse and worse. 1017 01:55:34.860 --> 01:55:45.660 robertthibodeau: let's try and bring it up on the next meeting and we'll figure out where to take it from there, you know I don't know whether it's some sort of inventory or or a contact person or what what to do. 1018 01:55:45.990 --> 01:55:49.050 jim murez: Can maybe dovetail it to the 2028 Olympics. 1019 01:55:49.500 --> 01:55:52.230 robertthibodeau: let's talk to selena selena had her finger up. 1020 01:55:52.560 --> 01:56:06.180 Selena Inouye: um there's two new motion set got passed by the Rack board regarding transportation so i'll send I think Jim got them at but i'll send them along to you, Robert so that we could put them on our next agenda. 1021 01:56:06.600 --> 01:56:24.240 Selena Inouye: amazing with regard to sidewalks just know that bond and has been taking money out of I think it's the coastal transit cord or specific plan that covers Venice he's been using money from that to pay for sidewalks. 1022 01:56:25.320 --> 01:56:40.350 Selena Inouye: The coastal transit quarter specific plan is a fee levied against developers for new development and that money is supposed to go to things like improving roadways and sidewalks etc. 1023 01:56:40.980 --> 01:56:52.440 Selena Inouye: So the West side fast forward plan that bonnen talks about a lot that's funded by it's either the coastal transit corridor or the West la. 1024 01:56:52.770 --> 01:57:02.370 Selena Inouye: Transit improvement and mitigation program Those are the two specific plans they get money from developers and then it's supposed to. 1025 01:57:02.760 --> 01:57:16.680 Selena Inouye: be used to you know, improve streets put in sidewalks improve sidewalks put in a crossings and things like that, so if you need more information about that Evan just send me an email, and I can share more. 1026 01:57:17.100 --> 01:57:17.970 Evan Corrigan: Thank you very much. 1027 01:57:19.230 --> 01:57:20.580 robertthibodeau: Okay, with that. 1028 01:57:21.990 --> 01:57:26.880 robertthibodeau: I don't think we have to have a move to adjourn we did well we covered a lot of stuff in two hours and. 1029 01:57:28.020 --> 01:57:39.870 robertthibodeau: we'll talk to you again next month, if not oh Come on, he did you have one more thing to say to you might keep it short we're about to wrap this up i'm gonna i'm gonna ask you to unmute here okay. 1030 01:57:40.350 --> 01:57:48.180 Kalani W (MDR): Yes, I do have concerns about illegal street fending on our sidewalks they're supposed to allow for three feet. 1031 01:57:48.660 --> 01:57:55.380 Kalani W (MDR): bypass, but now they're getting bolder and bolder and putting up tables and chairs and blocking sidewalks. 1032 01:57:55.710 --> 01:58:05.760 Kalani W (MDR): And they create an very unfair advantage to our brick and mortar restaurants that actually pay into our tax base, thank you, not to mention. 1033 01:58:06.390 --> 01:58:18.660 Kalani W (MDR): Before coven people forget, we had an appetite to say and typhus outbreak in this city, and if you can't afford to pay for a license for street mending how are you a 14. 1034 01:58:20.610 --> 01:58:24.090 Kalani W (MDR): Up house regulated food, thank you. 1035 01:58:24.780 --> 01:58:30.990 robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks and have a good night kalani and everybody else i'm going to say, have a good night and i'm going to shut it down. 1036 01:58:31.020 --> 01:58:34.170 robertthibodeau: Thanks, thank you for inviting okay bye guys. 1037 01:58:35.520 --> 01:58:36.480 Selena Inouye: bye everybody. 1038 01:58:37.350 --> 01:58:38.130 Selena Inouye: Hello ha.