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jim murez: i've tried to promote very a couple of.

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jim murez: Is Jeff part of your committee.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, he is.

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jim murez: Not a name my record.

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jim murez: Sorry, Joe.

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jim murez: Who else.

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jim murez: yep you got to accept.

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lauren siegel: Any more bubbly left baby.

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jim murez: ugly left.

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jim murez: That sounds good.

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lauren siegel: Just bubbly water.

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jim murez: Okay hey.

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jim murez: let's say I come to your House for meetings.

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Jeff Martin: Hello everyone.

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Michael Jensen: hey Jeff.

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Jeff Martin: hey how's everybody doing.

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Michael Jensen: Good how are you.

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Jeff Martin: i'm doing well excited to be here.

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lauren siegel: We get to see what you look like.

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Jeff Martin: yeah my video is not coming through i'm trying to get that going here.

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barry Cassilly: i'm over in oakland park at this in the middle of this dog controversy.

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barry Cassilly: Is it's really edgy here.

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lauren siegel: what's going on.

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barry Cassilly: Nothing people are being like super Nice and hanging out.

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jim murez: dogs are not allowed in oakland park.

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barry Cassilly: Oh they're all over the place.

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jim murez: i'm mchale who is your co host or do you have one.

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Michael Jensen: I don't have one.

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jim murez: Okay i'm just gonna make you host and then you can do whatever you want.

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Michael Jensen: Okay okay.

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barry Cassilly: And he allowed dogs bark.

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jim murez: I cannot promote Andrew at this point and I noticed that he just came in, because I made you host unless I take back the hosting capability.

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Michael Jensen: Let me try here.

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jim murez: So you go to his name and then, where it says more something promote two panelists.

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jim murez: You see it Oh, there you go.

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jim murez: i'm going to sign off here.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, thanks, Jim.

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jim murez: call me if you have anything come up.

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Michael Jensen: we'll do all right, well, we have a quorum, so I will call the meeting to order, it is 7:03pm we'll do some attendance quran.

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Michael Jensen: Now I thought I saw her no I.

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Michael Jensen: guess not Barry.

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barry Cassilly: i'm here.

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Michael Jensen: Andrew.

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Andrew Mika: i'm here do we have corn without kareena.

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Michael Jensen: We have 123456.

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Andrew Mika: Okay cool i'm here that.

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Michael Jensen: lauren.

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Yes.

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Michael Jensen: And Matthew royce's not here are new ish.

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Michael Jensen: And i'm here Jeff you're here.

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lauren siegel: Welcome

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Jeff Martin: hey.

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Jeff Martin: So much.

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Michael Jensen: Jeff is the newly selected committee Member.

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Michael Jensen: And so we welcome, and thank you for joining, thank you for your service.

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Jeff Martin: Yes, glad to be here excited to meet everyone.

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lauren siegel: And it sounds like we have one other opening.

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Michael Jensen: Right, yes, Chris resigned, so we have we're going to do this again so that's.

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Michael Jensen: That should be fun.

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Michael Jensen: On Is there anyone there's nobody in the Andrew did you notify the.

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Michael Jensen: People for.

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Michael Jensen: heroin that that they were on tonight.

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Andrew Mika: I don't know I don't remember if I did your own email, because you are a loving.

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Andrew Mika: We told them like it will be for 630 let it rip.

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Michael Jensen: let's see if we can.

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Michael Jensen: Do you want to let the you want to call the applicant or text them and see if the rap and see if they're available to jump on i'm just.

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Michael Jensen: not seeing them in the audience not seeing anyone in the audience but um.

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Michael Jensen: But yeah just to see if they can make it if not.

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Michael Jensen: Maybe you can present it hopefully we'll get to it in an hour.

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Andrew Mika: i'll do the best I can let me try and find their phone number.

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Michael Jensen: So next Order of Business approving the Minutes from 526 need a motion and a second.

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lauren siegel: And mission improves.

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Michael Jensen: And a second.

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barry Cassilly: Second.

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Michael Jensen: And we'll do a.

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Michael Jensen: Well let's any opposition to.

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Michael Jensen: Passing the Minutes also, I would say Jeff for you, since you weren't here generally if you weren't at the meeting you would abstain from.

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Michael Jensen: Voting on the Minutes.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so.

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Michael Jensen: But we'll we'll i'll do a roll call vote Barry.

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barry Cassilly: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: Andrew.

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Michael Jensen: Come back to him lauren.

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Andrew Mika: Yes, yeah.

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Michael Jensen: And now I know, are you were voting to approve the Minutes from 526.

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Michael Jensen: Okay um or newish.

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Michael Jensen: And I will also yes Jeff you're abstaining so on.

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Michael Jensen: Actually, let me i'll sorry I forgot to share my screen here.

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Michael Jensen: minutes.

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Michael Jensen: Can everyone see the minutes now yes okay so.

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Michael Jensen: What I was doing.

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Michael Jensen: Okay um declaration of conflicts of interest or ex parte communication.

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Michael Jensen: Jeff for your edification this would be.

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Michael Jensen: If you had.

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Michael Jensen: Ex parte communication with either someone involved in the project.

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Michael Jensen: or other committee members regarding a project.

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Michael Jensen: Or, if you have a conflict of interest with a project so let's say, for instance, we have this unspoken rule if you own property within 500 feet of a project, you are conflicted out of it or unwritten rule I guess.

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Michael Jensen: So if that's the case at the beginning of the meeting, you would say.

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Michael Jensen: case a day I I my house is within 500 feet so i'm disqualified or.

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Michael Jensen: I worked on.

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Michael Jensen: This project i'm just qualified, etc.

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Jeff Martin: Okay, make sense yep.

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Michael Jensen: So anyone have any conflicts of interest, I want to avoid if you are staff on something we assume you had ex parte communication that's not necessary to disclose we're talking about stuff that would be outside of the ordinary course of your staff role.

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Michael Jensen: Not hearing anyone.

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Michael Jensen: Is that accurate.

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Michael Jensen: Okay i'm.

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Michael Jensen: General public comment on item.

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Andrew Mika: account.

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Andrew Mika: Do you have, do you know the day that we did the.

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Andrew Mika: Whatever this is, I think, for one, the neighborhood neighbors meeting i'm looking through my text from the sky and I can't find it.

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Michael Jensen: I don't.

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Andrew Mika: say it on the same on the APP let me know to the application.

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Michael Jensen: How do you spell arrow one.

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Michael Jensen: yard right okay.

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So nowhere.

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Michael Jensen: Nowhere backwards, how could I forget.

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Andrew Mika: I learned that like two days ago.

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Michael Jensen: Someone told me that years ago and I just never committed to memory.

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Michael Jensen: I don't see a.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, I texted Brett.

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Michael Jensen: So if we need to move around some items we'll do that too, if he can come afterwards, because I do want to go through at the end of this, we have a all of the cases and I just want to go through each one and sort of suss out where we are in terms of progress on them.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so not seeing any buddy from the public in the audience.

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Michael Jensen: cnc report.

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Michael Jensen: Only one new case came up this month.

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Michael Jensen: 2428 mckinley I think that's east of link and if arm is it i'm actually not sure I don't know where mckinley is is that presidential row.

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Michael Jensen: We can lose a president.

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Michael Jensen: So this is a demolition of an existing one story single family residence and replacement with a two story single family residence.

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Michael Jensen: There is a CA which means there's a zoning administrator adjustments so this one is not strictly compliant with the Venice plan so anybody want to volunteer for this case and i'm I think i'll just throw it to.

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Michael Jensen: Jeff since.

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Michael Jensen: Since you're the new guy.

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Jeff Martin: And i'll take it.

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Michael Jensen: yeah and there may be more cases to assign to you from that we're Chris Florida is the one who resigned, so I may just shift all his cases to you.

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Michael Jensen: And i'm happy to go through in the beginning, like what.

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Michael Jensen: How the staff report should be done, I tried to create a form that should make it a little more straightforward.

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Michael Jensen: But we'll get there.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, so.

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barry Cassilly: I know where we can leo's it's.

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Michael Jensen: Presidents row right.

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barry Cassilly: No it's in it's in like.

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Richard stingers plantation.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: So that should be fun.

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barry Cassilly: All right.

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Michael Jensen: And brett's here so fantastic so there's one diminish case from the list that I have lauren.

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Michael Jensen: ocean, did you go through the checklist with it.

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Michael Jensen: you're muted.

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lauren siegel: I did not, I didn't realize you wanted me to do that for the de minimis case.

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Michael Jensen: I would just do it for practice.

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lauren siegel: Okay, just want to others and i'm hoping at some point we can talk about the.

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lauren siegel: Staff report outline.

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lauren siegel: yeah but I thought we would go through it at the end of the agenda when we start going through, where we are.

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Michael Jensen: that's fine.

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lauren siegel: Okay, all right.

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Michael Jensen: um Okay, so our do we want to move to.

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Michael Jensen: put this on the dnc calendar as demand no son.

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Michael Jensen: Absolutely Okay, can I get a motion second.

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lauren siegel: Is.

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barry Cassilly: Yet okay.

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Michael Jensen: and

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Michael Jensen: any opposition to that.

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Michael Jensen: Not hearing any and there's how many of us here there's six of us here.

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Michael Jensen: Okay motion carries um so now cases we have Brett, so I will add him.

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Michael Jensen: hi brad.

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Michael Jensen: Hello.

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Michael Jensen: I think you have to unmute.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so our case is 985 85 Venice boulevard, also known as air one.

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Michael Jensen: We have Brett, thank you for jumping on this, I know, the lack of notice, so I apologize for that.

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Michael Jensen: Brett do you have a presentation, or do you want to talk us through I can pull up the plans, even though they're not necessarily.

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Michael Jensen: This isn't a plan specific thing.

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Michael Jensen: Up to you.

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Brett engstrom: Sorry guys, can you hear me okay.

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Michael Jensen: yep now we can.

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Brett engstrom: Okay i'm actually out of town, right now, so i'm not in front of my computer, I can tell you a little bit briefly about the application and what we're requesting if that will work.

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Michael Jensen: Sure, in the meantime, I will pull up the plans that I can find.

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Michael Jensen: That would be great I privilege a.

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Michael Jensen: visual aid yeah no problem.

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Brett engstrom: And it's beautiful down here in San Clemente in case anybody was curious.

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Michael Jensen: how's the surf.

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Brett engstrom: there's a little bit of swell i'm hoping to get the evening glass off at this meeting goes well.

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Michael Jensen: See here.

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Michael Jensen: We don't have anything there's nothing on the planning website.

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Michael Jensen: Right now go ahead.

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Michael Jensen: Go ahead Brett you can.

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Brett engstrom: Okay, it is an existing operating store at this point so you if you been into the store, you will understand the layout I know there were previous requests attached to the property and the store.

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Brett engstrom: Those had been worked out by the previous consultants, as far as the actual use of the building it was determined to be retail.

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Brett engstrom: So our application was streamed down to a CU be for the sale of beer and wine for offside consumption and onsite tastings and conjunction with that market.

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Brett engstrom: So the hours of operation or remain the same as they currently are at the market, the ABC license will be a type 41 it will be beer and wine only both for the tastings and for the offside consumption sales.

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Brett engstrom: With that we did our Community meeting.

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Brett engstrom: Via zoom I don't believe we had any outside attendees outside of the committee members so with that i'd like to open it back to you guys for any particular questions you have you know the store, as well as I do i'm sure so i'd like to answer any questions you may have.

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Michael Jensen: Where on the floor plan is the tasting going to take place.

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Brett engstrom: But it tastes great question, so the tastings will occur under a type 86 license, which is a fairly new license about probably about eight years old now.

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Brett engstrom: And it's strictly for onsite instructional tastings this license is unique and that it can occur anywhere within those licensed premises.

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Brett engstrom: So, in theory, it could occur anywhere within the sales floor of the store but erewash chooses to operate these things, common sense wise near the wine, beer and wine selection area which should be labeled on that plan and i'm sorry.

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Brett engstrom: My screen is so small, I can't see it.

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Michael Jensen: I have a plan up and i'm sort of.

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Michael Jensen: circling the area where the alcohol display is.

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Brett engstrom: OK, so the tastings will occur in that area tastings have a long list of about 30 conditions they must abide by.

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Brett engstrom: can only occur between 10am and 9pm daily it's to be offered by an outside ventnor or a brewer to bring in goods, there are no beer and wine items pulled off the shelf to be tasted, this is a scheduled formal event that takes place for the onsite instructional tastings.

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Michael Jensen: Are there limits to how many you can have per month.

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Brett engstrom: per month, no there's no limits per month, but there are a limit on how many tastings a patron can have in a day I thought that's the direction your question was going to go in.

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Brett engstrom: There are not limits on how many they can have, and that is PR ABC if the city decides to add a limitation on that, then so be it.

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Michael Jensen: got it.

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Michael Jensen: How many tastings is a person permitted.

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Brett engstrom: I believe it's two per person per day okay.

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Michael Jensen: Any other questions.

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lauren siegel: yeah I just have a couple of questions like, how do you control who gets to taste and are you checking ID for age and and how does all of that work what prevent yeah go ahead.

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Brett engstrom: Oh no it's great you seem to know the answer before even jumped in have ids are checked at the tasting.

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Brett engstrom: And so they have the name of the person, they have a fruit of legal drinking age and they're allowed to do the tastings at that point so, then they have track of who's doing it and then that list is.

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Michael Jensen: Right, you might want to.

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Michael Jensen: Try turning off your video.

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Michael Jensen: And the voice should come.

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Brett engstrom: hi folks.

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Michael Jensen: it's better.

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Michael Jensen: But I think we heard up until a.

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Michael Jensen: You guys check ids and record the names are using electronic ID scanners.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, I think.

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Michael Jensen: I think we've lost Brett.

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Michael Jensen: Are you back.

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Michael Jensen: Right, would it be helpful if I send you the phone number to call in.

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Michael Jensen: twice.

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barry Cassilly: No okay i'll get out of the other one.

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Michael Jensen: I think I can remove you.

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barry Cassilly: you'll remove me from everything.

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barry Cassilly: I quit I quit the other one.

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Michael Jensen: hold on brett's calling me.

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Michael Jensen: And I went straight to voicemail.

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barry Cassilly: Can you explain to us what he's trying to do, please.

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Michael Jensen: Sure, well, so he was describing the ID verification so so when you do these type at six is the store is actually not running the tasting the.

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Michael Jensen: You know the brand vendors, the the exactly, so the vintner.

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Michael Jensen: will send, whatever their promo staff and they have they bring their own.

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Michael Jensen: Alcohol straight from wherever distributor and they're running the show they're doing all of the ID check.

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Michael Jensen: I will say i've never had my ID check, although that might be that might be just my hairline.

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Michael Jensen: No one's thought I was under 21 for quite some time but uh, but they do I mean i've seen them do it checks for people that you know look like they're in their 20s.

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Michael Jensen: So I think it's sort of the same thing you know same standard in terms of like when you go to buy alcohol, if you look under 30 they're going to card you.

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Michael Jensen: And the thing I was trying to understand is because he said that they maintain a list which sounds to me like they scan ids.

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Michael Jensen: But I thought was I don't know whether that's what he was trying to say.

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barry Cassilly: But TIM, but can we understand the basic concepts are they having like many parties repeal get to build drink.

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Michael Jensen: or no well they actually it's no it's not it's it's not like open bar at the so so the type license they're asking for is a beer and wine for off sale, which means there's no one side consumption.

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Michael Jensen: The tasting license is a separate one and that's the one that allows you to bring in.

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Michael Jensen: To bring in these you know brands to do tastings they give you two samples, which is not like two glasses of wine it's like I don't know whether there's like an ounce limit, I imagine, there is, but it's a taste, it is truly a tasting.

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barry Cassilly: Wait a minute.

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barry Cassilly: Let me, let me wait one second.

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barry Cassilly: Did they get do they get to sell beer and wine is that part of what we're talking about.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, it is a It is like a grocery store selling beer and wine.

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Michael Jensen: So.

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Michael Jensen: At yeah for off sale so.

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Michael Jensen: That means.

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barry Cassilly: That means I didn't buy it and take it home.

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Michael Jensen: yeah I mean.

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Mehrnoosh: Very good.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, you can buy it and take it home, you cannot buy it and open it and eat it with your dinner.

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Michael Jensen: At home, everyone.

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Andrew Mika: cares about you can buy an open it and you, with your dinner at home.

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Michael Jensen: And right.

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Michael Jensen: got it that's the distinction it's not on site consumption, but the type 86 is a quasi on site consumption but it's through tasting.

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Michael Jensen: Then we.

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barry Cassilly: Can we bow to change this, so they can also sell liquor or is that not possible.

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lauren siegel: And not asking for that.

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barry Cassilly: they're not I am there's no place to buy liquor anywhere near my home, let alone beer and wine.

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Michael Jensen: well.

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lauren siegel: And Pacific and Venice.

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barry Cassilly: Were.

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lauren siegel: At the corner of Pacific and Venice is a liquor store.

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Michael Jensen: No Venice wines.

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barry Cassilly: Venice beach, it was just a Lincoln.

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Michael Jensen: No, no it's like Venice wines or something.

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Michael Jensen: it's funny.

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barry Cassilly: Oh yeah i've never done.

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Michael Jensen: It it's it's.

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Michael Jensen: That place has okay selection.

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lauren siegel: yeah I know but it'll do in a pinch.

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barry Cassilly: Now we want, we want better than pinch.

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barry Cassilly: We want seriously.

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barry Cassilly: This is.

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lauren siegel: A bit.

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lauren siegel: Like.

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lauren siegel: getting off topic here.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so.

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barry Cassilly: No we're not.

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Michael Jensen: we're not nobody.

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barry Cassilly: Nobody nobody cares that they scan ids all anybody in the Community cares about is like do they have a good selection of stuff for us to buy that's all we care about.

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Michael Jensen: Well, imagine.

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lauren siegel: If I can imagine that.

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lauren siegel: they're going to do it well.

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Michael Jensen: So.

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Michael Jensen: I think we can't get the applicant that he hasn't tried to call in, so I think.

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Michael Jensen: If there are there any more questions or do we are we.

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Michael Jensen: We feel comfortable with this project is okay, so, if I can get emotion.

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Andrew Mika: motion to approve.

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barry Cassilly: Second.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: i'll do a roll call vote on this.

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Michael Jensen: lauren.

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Mehrnoosh: Yes.

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barry Cassilly: Very yes.

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Michael Jensen: Andrew.

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Andrew Mika: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: Jeff.

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Michael Jensen: And me that's six, and that means the motion carries.

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Michael Jensen: Let me just text Brett and let him know that we're.

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Andrew Mika: Congratulations Brett.

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Michael Jensen: Okay um Let me share this screen again.

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Michael Jensen: OK.

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Michael Jensen: So, moving right along.

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Michael Jensen: Council file.

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Michael Jensen: 14 dash 0366 dash s 33 unlicensed commercial cannabis business activity padlock enforcement cease and desist.

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lauren siegel: asked what brought this upon our agenda.

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Michael Jensen: So.

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Michael Jensen: I believe, Jim sent this to us.

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Michael Jensen: This is.

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lauren siegel: something for us to deal with.

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barry Cassilly: yeah.

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barry Cassilly: We can vote on anything.

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Michael Jensen: Well, I mean.

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Michael Jensen: This is.

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barry Cassilly: This has been does.

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Michael Jensen: This, this is an issue of.

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Michael Jensen: You know, compliance with.

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Michael Jensen: Operating requirements for.

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Michael Jensen: Cannabis businesses and.

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Michael Jensen: in Venice and throughout the city, we have.

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Michael Jensen: Illegal businesses running rampant and.

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Michael Jensen: not really wearing any any consequences.

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barry Cassilly: Why do we have.

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barry Cassilly: blighted we have that, though, because they put an artificial cap on licenses and the and the CAP is uniform arm across the city, it takes into no consideration.

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barry Cassilly: i'm weather like your community is a visitor's serving Community like Venice, where people like literally fly in from other parts of the country to have fun um and so like you know these places have to operate illegally.

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Michael Jensen: At anywhere, I am so so just by way of background and full disclosure I happen to work with, I have a lot of clients in this space.

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Michael Jensen: I can tell you that.

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Michael Jensen: So the way that the city devised caps on these businesses was based on one retail location for every 10,000 residents in every Community plan.

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barry Cassilly: Exactly the event, no sense at all.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so in that hold on very, let me just finish the, let me just finish the factual background here.

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Michael Jensen: in Venice, we have 33,000 residents, technically, the CAP is 3.3 dispensaries we have, I believe, seven or eight licensed shops and that was because there was a loophole that allowed.

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Michael Jensen: Pre ICO property compliant dispensary's to move around throughout Community plans without having to comply with it with this CAP.

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Michael Jensen: way what.

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barry Cassilly: Does that in translating that to English Does that mean the rich corporations get to like have more licenses where they want them than the small mom and pop businesses.

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Michael Jensen: So um yes and no.

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Michael Jensen: And i'll start with the know.

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Michael Jensen: A lot of the businesses that are pre ICO property compliant dispensers there were 185 of them, they were in large part owned, not by large corporations, because they were legacy businesses.

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Michael Jensen: operating in the Gray area in the good old days of prop 215.

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Michael Jensen: However, so a lot of those were small small mom and pop shops, however, what happened, as these regulations were getting developed is a lot of corporations and big money.

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barry Cassilly: bought their licenses.

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Michael Jensen: And they bought them specifically because they could do things like move them to Venice, so, if you look at like harvest and mad men.

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Michael Jensen: Those shops were not originally located in this Community plan they move them from the valley or somewhere else.

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barry Cassilly: We we all understand.

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barry Cassilly: So, so the corporation's benefit because of these regulations and go ahead.

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Michael Jensen: But that is, that is a side well a related but not direct.

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Michael Jensen: what's in front of us now is.

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Michael Jensen: is, do we want to support so some some you know not.

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Michael Jensen: Not draconian but just some real some real consequences for some of these businesses that are operating in plain view in violation of rules, I mean we have.

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barry Cassilly: To well what what business are we talking about.

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Michael Jensen: When we are these consequences.

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Michael Jensen: So right now we're not seeing a lot of enforcement.

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Michael Jensen: It would be a combination of lapd and the building and safety.

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Andrew Mika: Okay, so we pass a motion for enforcement in tango City Council member who then has to say okay for us that's correct.

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Michael Jensen: So the first thing is, they want it, they authorize this to happen, already like led vs can padlock buildings.

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Michael Jensen: That are found to be operating illegally.

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Michael Jensen: And as of March.

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Michael Jensen: padlocks have been completed.

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Michael Jensen: yeah one five.

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Michael Jensen: So.

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Michael Jensen: This motion which is, this is a direct text from the La City Council motion is essentially asking lapd and La dbs for a status of enforcement actions.

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Michael Jensen: You know, a list of what they need to you know prosecute these enforcement actions.

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Michael Jensen: With the goal of you know.

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Michael Jensen: Stopping the proliferation.

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Andrew Mika: So how do we know how many have been enforced in Venice.

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Michael Jensen: um No, I do not know.

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barry Cassilly: So.

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barry Cassilly: So do we have to vote on this motion, or can we have another motion.

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barry Cassilly: If all right.

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Michael Jensen: So here's The thing is that I I would.

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Michael Jensen: Rather than rewriting I mean the principal I think what we can deliver is either a motion that says yes or no, do we support this.

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Michael Jensen: This sort of.

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Michael Jensen: As its presented.

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Michael Jensen: Or is there, and if there is another what I would suggest if there's a completely different kind of motion you want to theorize Barry that you put together a comprehensive sort of.

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Michael Jensen: You know, factual background.

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barry Cassilly: Oh yeah I can't.

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barry Cassilly: I can't say something like get your gross grubby bureaucratic hands off are like small business and business.

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Michael Jensen: can sell.

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Michael Jensen: So I not this motion now because that does, I mean that's where, if you want to go to you know get to emotion that says we don't believe in licensed caps and and you know we want as many retailers in Venice as want to come here that's it.

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barry Cassilly: That sounds much better.

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Michael Jensen: Right, and so I suggest if that's the kind of thing you want.

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Michael Jensen: You prepare something a little more formal I don't want to make a motion like that, on the fly that's not noticed so um.

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barry Cassilly: So, to be able to do that to after the know on this motion.

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Michael Jensen: No, I mean that motions not going to come up tonight.

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barry Cassilly: Oh okay.

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Michael Jensen: we're not going to just create a new motion out of thin air.

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barry Cassilly: I don't know that.

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barry Cassilly: So it's on the table now.

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Michael Jensen: But the thing that's on the table now is, do we believe that illegal businesses should suffer enforcement actions and boiling it down to that that sort of.

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barry Cassilly: yeah if you if you put it that way.

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barry Cassilly: Principle 80% of people are going to little, yes, but I could reframe that in 80% of the people would vote the other way.

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Michael Jensen: Okay well be that as it may.

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Michael Jensen: I I think i'm open to it if.

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Michael Jensen: I don't want to hog all the conversation with Barry here, so if there's other questions about this.

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Michael Jensen: But.

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Jeff Martin: I guess.

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Jeff Martin: Just quick question, so there he's kind of making me.

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Jeff Martin: Look at a different perspective, so it is this talking about like just the average person can sell it on the street illegally or if an actual business established businesses just doesn't have a license.

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Jeff Martin: Because these are different kind of concepts.

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Michael Jensen: So these are these are storefronts or brick and mortar locations, they may or not, be they may not be stores, but they are occupying buildings they're engaging in unlicensed activity which is is illegal.

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Michael Jensen: And what they're doing is sort of I mean.

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Michael Jensen: From a licensed.

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Michael Jensen: hold on Mary from the licensed industry perspective, these guys they don't pay taxes they don't you know generally they run afoul of a bunch of Labor code things they.

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Michael Jensen: They are you know fly by night operators and they are undercutting the legal market because you know, not the cost of complying with all these things makes.

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Michael Jensen: The products, much more expensive, so people buy from the illegal shops and at a time where you have sort of the legal industry in California on the verge of collapsing.

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Michael Jensen: which has caused the state legislature to amend a lot of the taxes, in fact, in the bill that just hit the governor's desk today.

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Andrew Mika: You have a conflict of interest here.

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00:40:20.400 --> 00:40:21.090
Michael Jensen: haha hi.

432
00:40:22.140 --> 00:40:23.370
Andrew Mika: I was.

433
00:40:24.270 --> 00:40:28.650
Andrew Mika: The table like this should be RAD dude I don't think we should be doing this right now.

434
00:40:29.250 --> 00:40:30.300
I don't think so either.

435
00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:35.940
Andrew Mika: Sorry i'm like stop corn no way, this is, we have a problem here.

436
00:40:37.590 --> 00:40:38.280
Andrew Mika: No way.

437
00:40:39.810 --> 00:40:48.450
Michael Jensen: Andrew to give you the corollary here, this would be like, if you were an architect, and looking at a new zoning plan.

438
00:40:49.440 --> 00:41:00.900
Michael Jensen: So this isn't calling out any specific clients of mine, I mean if you truly think I have a conflict of interest, I mean you're welcome to have that opinion but we're talking about a.

439
00:41:01.410 --> 00:41:01.590
Whole.

440
00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:03.450
Michael Jensen: A.

441
00:41:03.570 --> 00:41:04.560
General.

442
00:41:05.640 --> 00:41:17.340
Michael Jensen: proposition here that's not benefiting anyone, and I would say I don't have even a client that operates a retail store in Los Angeles anymore anyway, if we.

443
00:41:17.640 --> 00:41:20.850
barry Cassilly: If we keep on the table, I at least get to respond to that.

444
00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:26.100
Michael Jensen: respond to what.

445
00:41:27.060 --> 00:41:34.920
barry Cassilly: This idea that like I just agree with this characterization of his businesses, I mean like you know, like a minute ago.

446
00:41:35.340 --> 00:41:57.240
barry Cassilly: Somebody thought that oh i'm not be talking about people selling like like i'm eight on the street, but we're not we're talking about businesses that in many cases, all of us have walked down the street past four year um and regarded as like part of our Community.

447
00:41:58.410 --> 00:42:01.410
Michael Jensen: The two the two that you're thinking of your walk i'm guessing.

448
00:42:03.630 --> 00:42:05.220
Michael Jensen: have not been there for years.

449
00:42:05.640 --> 00:42:08.940
Michael Jensen: I mean they've been in there for two years now, but they opened like.

450
00:42:08.970 --> 00:42:10.170
Michael Jensen: You told in the middle of coven.

451
00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:12.390
barry Cassilly: No.

452
00:42:14.340 --> 00:42:15.660
Michael Jensen: The only I think.

453
00:42:16.830 --> 00:42:25.170
barry Cassilly: Okay, wait a minute okay i'm gonna have to go with Andrew and I think that we, like we really need to tapeless and have like more clarity on these issues on this issue.

454
00:42:25.350 --> 00:42:25.680
Michael Jensen: Okay.

455
00:42:25.980 --> 00:42:44.790
barry Cassilly: that's right before before we because i'm really sensitive to like shutting down small businesses that already exists in our Community arm and like favoring large corporations that have the money to deal with these kind of regulations.

456
00:42:46.830 --> 00:42:47.820
barry Cassilly: Then I could be wrong.

457
00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:48.390
Andrew Mika: I could like.

458
00:42:48.420 --> 00:42:51.270
barry Cassilly: I could, I could vote in favor of this but I don't.

459
00:42:51.330 --> 00:42:56.820
Andrew Mika: know we can we just can we table isn't having the motion sensor and separately for us to read.

460
00:42:57.540 --> 00:43:02.340
Michael Jensen: I Andrew this was sent to you to read 72 hours ago.

461
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:04.080
Andrew Mika: To get into a pipeline.

462
00:43:05.310 --> 00:43:05.640
Andrew Mika: But.

463
00:43:05.730 --> 00:43:08.370
barry Cassilly: We were mchale come on that's not fair.

464
00:43:09.720 --> 00:43:12.630
Andrew Mika: I i'm gonna sign on your farm is done.

465
00:43:17.250 --> 00:43:17.640
Andrew Mika: haha.

466
00:43:21.720 --> 00:43:23.160
barry Cassilly: that's hilarious i'm the good good no.

467
00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:26.070
Andrew Mika: bullshit.

468
00:43:29.070 --> 00:43:30.600
Michael Jensen: what is what.

469
00:43:31.050 --> 00:43:33.450
Michael Jensen: I mean honestly i'm a little.

470
00:43:34.980 --> 00:43:35.970
barry Cassilly: I think there's gone.

471
00:43:40.530 --> 00:43:41.460
Michael Jensen: You still signed off.

472
00:43:41.580 --> 00:43:49.830
Andrew Mika: yourself, but I just want to be table there's a lot more to dig in here than to try to vote on this right now.

473
00:43:50.220 --> 00:43:56.280
Michael Jensen: that's that's fine, we still have an entire list of cases to go through.

474
00:43:56.550 --> 00:43:57.030
well.

475
00:43:58.440 --> 00:44:01.560
barry Cassilly: let's please, please table this will move on okay.

476
00:44:02.220 --> 00:44:03.960
Michael Jensen: we're Moving on, thank you.

477
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:06.360
barry Cassilly: And I, and I love you.

478
00:44:08.460 --> 00:44:09.930
Michael Jensen: Okay um.

479
00:44:11.520 --> 00:44:12.840
Andrew Mika: So maybe I just.

480
00:44:15.690 --> 00:44:19.230
Michael Jensen: Well, I we're tabling it so it's over moving on.

481
00:44:20.730 --> 00:44:27.900
Michael Jensen: So what I have all of the cases that have been assigned, which have not yet come before the committee.

482
00:44:29.730 --> 00:44:41.250
Michael Jensen: And so, some of them i've gotten some individual status updates from you guys on but i'd like to just know where things stand and see what we can move forward, because this list is quite long.

483
00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:44.940
Michael Jensen: So.

484
00:44:46.920 --> 00:44:50.670
Michael Jensen: Andrew the 2818 clone.

485
00:44:59.970 --> 00:45:01.710
Michael Jensen: We talked about that one correct.

486
00:45:17.640 --> 00:45:18.900
Andrew Mika: Was there a question ass.

487
00:45:21.390 --> 00:45:22.830
Michael Jensen: yeah what's your status update on.

488
00:45:22.860 --> 00:45:28.260
Andrew Mika: 28 180 they're going to do an outreach and they're scheduling it.

489
00:45:29.490 --> 00:45:34.170
Michael Jensen: Sorry Okay, and for one eight grand that's also one of yours.

490
00:45:34.890 --> 00:45:36.960
Andrew Mika: I don't think i've got a response from anybody there.

491
00:45:39.090 --> 00:45:40.320
Michael Jensen: who have you reached out to.

492
00:45:43.230 --> 00:45:43.740
Andrew Mika: let's say.

493
00:45:52.020 --> 00:45:53.010
Michael Jensen: Okay.

494
00:45:56.550 --> 00:45:59.760
Michael Jensen: So that one was filed in January okay.

495
00:46:01.230 --> 00:46:04.500
Michael Jensen: So that's Andrew Barry you have quite the list.

496
00:46:05.160 --> 00:46:05.730
barry Cassilly: I know.

497
00:46:05.790 --> 00:46:07.710
barry Cassilly: I know, and I haven't been good okay.

498
00:46:08.610 --> 00:46:09.300
barry Cassilly: So.

499
00:46:09.690 --> 00:46:11.460
Michael Jensen: You can ease 30th.

500
00:46:12.870 --> 00:46:13.620
barry Cassilly: Oh, my God.

501
00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:25.440
barry Cassilly: that's I I can't really comment on that i'm like publicly but there's there's a problem.

502
00:46:27.510 --> 00:46:32.370
barry Cassilly: With the applicants and their representative and ever finishing that application.

503
00:46:34.830 --> 00:46:36.030
Michael Jensen: i'm sorry, can you repeat that.

504
00:46:37.290 --> 00:46:39.360
barry Cassilly: i'd really don't want to okay.

505
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.380
Michael Jensen: Why don't you talk to you afterwards about it.

506
00:46:43.980 --> 00:46:44.490
barry Cassilly: Yes, on.

507
00:46:45.150 --> 00:46:46.740
Michael Jensen: 2412 Wilson.

508
00:46:49.320 --> 00:46:53.820
barry Cassilly: 2014 Wilson is ready to come for the committee at any point.

509
00:46:54.630 --> 00:46:56.370
Michael Jensen: Okay, do you have a staff report for it.

510
00:46:57.330 --> 00:47:00.690
barry Cassilly: No, but I can do, one in five minutes it's like it's a tremendous case.

511
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:02.340
Michael Jensen: Okay.

512
00:47:07.980 --> 00:47:14.910
Michael Jensen: 511 re Alto.

513
00:47:16.440 --> 00:47:18.030
barry Cassilly: I have not talked to the applicants.

514
00:47:22.740 --> 00:47:31.830
Michael Jensen: OK, that one was filed in December of last year, so I just want to make sure we don't miss an opportunity, but it sounds like conversion crown.

515
00:47:36.930 --> 00:47:38.760
Michael Jensen: Conversion to an ad you.

516
00:47:40.470 --> 00:47:42.510
Michael Jensen: But no additional parking.

517
00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:46.020
Michael Jensen: Yes, okay.

518
00:47:48.930 --> 00:47:51.210
Michael Jensen: All right, so that one you.

519
00:47:51.840 --> 00:47:54.750
barry Cassilly: that one should be the minimum is two but I haven't been able to talk to them.

520
00:47:55.980 --> 00:48:02.580
barry Cassilly: In my pocket like i'm not how the coastal Commission season, with no digital party, but I see it as an endless.

521
00:48:06.150 --> 00:48:07.680
Michael Jensen: Okay i'm.

522
00:48:11.100 --> 00:48:11.670
Michael Jensen: place.

523
00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:17.580
barry Cassilly: I have not talked to them either I have reached out to them, though they haven't responded.

524
00:48:20.130 --> 00:48:25.230
Michael Jensen: Okay, that one's probably not going to be de minimis de minimis.

525
00:48:28.080 --> 00:48:28.860
barry Cassilly: Well, they have an owner.

526
00:48:30.510 --> 00:48:31.140
Michael Jensen: They have a what.

527
00:48:31.860 --> 00:48:32.760
barry Cassilly: An owners rob.

528
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:45.240
Michael Jensen: Okay, and then Perkins not here so Jeff East 18th that's one.

529
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:51.240
Michael Jensen: Maybe next week, we can talk, we can go through one of these cases together.

530
00:48:51.900 --> 00:48:52.320
Okay.

531
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.840
Michael Jensen: And same thing 931 a week.

532
00:49:03.390 --> 00:49:06.150
Michael Jensen: I think that's probably going to be.

533
00:49:07.380 --> 00:49:12.570
Michael Jensen: I mean, I think 24 East 18th is potentially going to be de minimis.

534
00:49:13.770 --> 00:49:15.750
barry Cassilly: Lewis is who is 931 the widow.

535
00:49:16.770 --> 00:49:18.720
Michael Jensen: Who has it Jeff hasn't now.

536
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:19.680
Michael Jensen: Chris used to.

537
00:49:21.030 --> 00:49:22.830
barry Cassilly: Oh, oh okay.

538
00:49:27.660 --> 00:49:30.810
barry Cassilly: i'm not i'm what i'm wondering was that on survey la.

539
00:49:35.910 --> 00:49:36.390
barry Cassilly: can't remember.

540
00:49:36.570 --> 00:49:37.470
barry Cassilly: I don't feel like.

541
00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:38.490
Michael Jensen: I don't know.

542
00:49:39.120 --> 00:49:40.170
barry Cassilly: Okay i'll look into it.

543
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:45.810
Michael Jensen: Okay, for 2828 that's also an Andrew case.

544
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:54.390
Andrew Mika: I don't have a status update on that.

545
00:49:56.700 --> 00:50:05.940
Andrew Mika: I was actually can I replace the side of something to though or whatever's going on with the liquor license for the Venice hotel we pass and i'd like.

546
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:07.980
Andrew Mika: To.

547
00:50:10.530 --> 00:50:12.480
barry Cassilly: Wait say that again what.

548
00:50:15.090 --> 00:50:17.400
Andrew Mika: We approved liquor license for the better so.

549
00:50:18.150 --> 00:50:18.570
Andrew Mika: Similar.

550
00:50:19.050 --> 00:50:21.510
Andrew Mika: To for them to have a restaurant and yeah.

551
00:50:21.540 --> 00:50:27.870
Andrew Mika: it's got absolutely no well I think it's totally appropriate that we get updates on those things really.

552
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:32.610
Andrew Mika: Why, especially before you spend more time on anything else I.

553
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:33.540
Mehrnoosh: well.

554
00:50:33.720 --> 00:50:38.700
barry Cassilly: I but I agree, we should like like fun at what's what's happening or not happening why.

555
00:50:39.990 --> 00:50:41.400
barry Cassilly: Does anybody know offhand.

556
00:50:41.670 --> 00:50:43.890
Michael Jensen: So the last email, and I think.

557
00:50:44.910 --> 00:50:46.410
Michael Jensen: Andrew you were copied on it.

558
00:50:48.750 --> 00:50:49.710
Michael Jensen: But IRA.

559
00:50:51.090 --> 00:50:54.300
Michael Jensen: Now transferred the case to Elizabeth iago.

560
00:50:55.350 --> 00:50:55.680
Michael Jensen: Louis.

561
00:50:56.820 --> 00:50:57.330
Andrew Mika: I wasn't.

562
00:51:00.540 --> 00:51:04.560
Michael Jensen: me see I will tell you, because I sent a follow up.

563
00:51:04.590 --> 00:51:08.850
barry Cassilly: email on the snow come out and find you guys who cares this COP know what what what did they say.

564
00:51:12.360 --> 00:51:13.200
Michael Jensen: i'll tell you in a second.

565
00:51:26.760 --> 00:51:34.650
Michael Jensen: Cases being reassigned those of the ARGO would be the contact person for this project until it is reassigned.

566
00:51:36.270 --> 00:51:46.020
Michael Jensen: So both me and Jim and capital, and I think Andrew have emailed planning over the last two months about this.

567
00:51:47.580 --> 00:51:48.600
barry Cassilly: And nothing has happened.

568
00:51:49.590 --> 00:51:50.370
and

569
00:51:53.400 --> 00:51:55.440
Michael Jensen: Why, you know I have from Elizabeth.

570
00:51:55.680 --> 00:52:05.460
Michael Jensen: ARGO June 21 is the application is not merely a CB application, but also requires a coastal development permit to reestablish the permit for a restaurant theater uses.

571
00:52:05.820 --> 00:52:12.150
Michael Jensen: Staff continues to work with the applicant and other city departments to bring this item to public hearing as soon as possible.

572
00:52:14.370 --> 00:52:15.720
Michael Jensen: Read into that what you will.

573
00:52:16.590 --> 00:52:19.590
barry Cassilly: yeah like wait a minute what is she saying.

574
00:52:21.630 --> 00:52:24.120
Andrew Mika: This this really wasn't meant to go down this rabbit hole.

575
00:52:26.370 --> 00:52:27.510
Andrew Mika: But thank you for the actor.

576
00:52:28.590 --> 00:52:29.070
barry Cassilly: yeah.

577
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:32.460
barry Cassilly: Okay i'll let it go.

578
00:52:33.690 --> 00:52:35.100
Michael Jensen: All right, 338.

579
00:52:35.160 --> 00:52:37.800
Andrew Mika: indiana Schreiber thanks thanks man.

580
00:52:39.930 --> 00:52:56.790
lauren siegel: that's me i've been in touch with planning twice, I followed up and they are in discussion with the applicants there's an issue it's empty land they're trying to build a duplex prefab so they're they've gone back to the APP.

581
00:52:58.620 --> 00:52:59.850
lauren siegel: So that's where that stands.

582
00:53:03.450 --> 00:53:16.920
lauren siegel: And can we talk at some point mchale about the process of the staff reports because i've gone through a couple of them and I don't know if anyone else is having issues with them, but I wouldn't mind a conversation, it could be offline.

583
00:53:18.300 --> 00:53:23.940
Michael Jensen: um I mean I think what why don't we go through one right now for everyone's benefit.

584
00:53:24.960 --> 00:53:25.860
barry Cassilly: that's a good idea.

585
00:53:26.850 --> 00:53:32.430
Michael Jensen: um So the idea is and i'll use the staff report that I.

586
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:36.090
Michael Jensen: See here.

587
00:53:37.230 --> 00:53:41.160
lauren siegel: I have actually filled one out my questions is more about the process.

588
00:53:42.780 --> 00:53:45.060
lauren siegel: And yeah I mean so.

589
00:53:46.110 --> 00:53:49.380
lauren siegel: yeah if you want to go through one that's fine I very specific questions.

590
00:53:50.730 --> 00:53:52.380
Michael Jensen: Okay, so i'll take.

591
00:53:54.630 --> 00:53:58.320
Michael Jensen: i'll see where's the one Andrew something or.

592
00:54:59.190 --> 00:55:01.440
Michael Jensen: All right, can everybody see this.

593
00:55:01.710 --> 00:55:02.100
yeah.

594
00:55:13.020 --> 00:55:14.820
Michael Jensen: Okay, can everybody have a barrier see this.

595
00:55:15.420 --> 00:55:37.440
Michael Jensen: Exactly, yes, so the page one has all of the basic information of the of the project, this would be all information that you can obtain if you go to CMOs and plug this and, yes, i'm so.

596
00:55:38.520 --> 00:55:39.240
Michael Jensen: So my mom.

597
00:55:39.330 --> 00:55:55.890
lauren siegel: In is my first question is, is there any way to automate this so that when you select the sub area in whatever number five or whatever it is that the rest of the ship just fall off instead of us having to go through and delete everything that's not applicable does that make sense.

598
00:55:56.100 --> 00:56:04.140
Michael Jensen: If you know how to create that macro and word i'm sure there's a way I just don't know how to do it okay.

599
00:56:04.410 --> 00:56:04.920
lauren siegel: All right.

600
00:56:05.730 --> 00:56:08.430
Michael Jensen: um but yeah that would be great.

601
00:56:10.050 --> 00:56:12.030
lauren siegel: don't look to me for that okay.

602
00:56:12.990 --> 00:56:14.940
Michael Jensen: And no good.

603
00:56:15.690 --> 00:56:17.100
Michael Jensen: One so what's your next question.

604
00:56:17.430 --> 00:56:26.010
lauren siegel: Okay, so as you page down go to the next page and you yeah and then yeah and then the next page and you go to your specific.

605
00:56:26.520 --> 00:56:42.480
lauren siegel: Yet, so the corner up one more so i'm that do you want us to to select and complies each one that or is it just the ones that are relevant because there's so many things in here that aren't relevant to each specific case you.

606
00:56:42.540 --> 00:56:43.170
Michael Jensen: know, I think.

607
00:56:43.230 --> 00:56:49.770
Michael Jensen: If it does not comply and maybe I should add a column here that, like these have.

608
00:56:52.110 --> 00:56:56.250
Michael Jensen: In fact that's what i'll do because yeah some of them are obviously not.

609
00:56:56.670 --> 00:56:58.890
Michael Jensen: Well rg and our three multi family.

610
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:04.290
Michael Jensen: Yes, so if you don't check it, it may look like it shouldn't meet the list.

611
00:57:04.890 --> 00:57:05.730
Michael Jensen: Right um.

612
00:57:05.820 --> 00:57:07.410
lauren siegel: But I was unclear with.

613
00:57:08.850 --> 00:57:14.670
lauren siegel: And then, once we get to the area you're talking about.

614
00:57:15.120 --> 00:57:23.190
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, let me do so, the first thing is there this is, I modified the version that I.

615
00:57:24.330 --> 00:57:25.110
Michael Jensen: uploaded.

616
00:57:26.190 --> 00:57:27.690
Michael Jensen: looks up areas and spoke with.

617
00:57:28.950 --> 00:57:36.810
Michael Jensen: So when you're going through this you'll want to delete like this, all of the not applicable oneness.

618
00:57:38.100 --> 00:57:40.980
Michael Jensen: North wellness, so this is awkward so.

619
00:57:42.180 --> 00:57:42.720
Michael Jensen: There we go.

620
00:57:43.740 --> 00:57:46.260
Michael Jensen: um and you should be filling.

621
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:51.090
lauren siegel: Yes, so what is it you want from that column proposed project.

622
00:57:51.120 --> 00:57:51.300
If.

623
00:57:52.620 --> 00:57:55.290
lauren siegel: If it's irrelevant leave it alone.

624
00:57:55.320 --> 00:57:59.640
Michael Jensen: that's the part I let me pull up so here's the one here's Andrews.

625
00:58:00.810 --> 00:58:06.090
Michael Jensen: Staff report that I finished, let me share this one.

626
00:58:14.340 --> 00:58:15.030
Michael Jensen: um.

627
00:58:21.900 --> 00:58:25.770
Michael Jensen: Okay, so this is after I deleted everything.

628
00:58:27.270 --> 00:58:28.980
Michael Jensen: And this one, by the way, does not.

629
00:58:30.630 --> 00:58:40.350
Michael Jensen: does not fit an exemption from spp so none of those are checked, but here I just added in notes below.

630
00:58:46.170 --> 00:58:51.570
lauren siegel: And then just select the things that are relevant and also comment on the ones that are.

631
00:58:51.750 --> 00:59:00.420
Michael Jensen: not ready, yes, so if it's not applicable like roof access structure, everyone has no roof access structure not applicable right.

632
00:59:01.650 --> 00:59:07.110
Michael Jensen: And in fact this one, this was maybe a bad case to to use as an example because.

633
00:59:08.220 --> 00:59:12.000
Michael Jensen: They weren't changing anything, this is just a change of use right.

634
00:59:14.100 --> 00:59:19.650
Andrew Mika: it's just very time consuming to go through right na na na and when, if you just fill in with.

635
00:59:21.060 --> 00:59:22.800
Andrew Mika: It does the same thing.

636
00:59:23.970 --> 00:59:24.300
lauren siegel: Right.

637
00:59:25.020 --> 00:59:35.430
Michael Jensen: So my response to that is, I guess, this is, I I spent a lot of time trying to create a form that so people didn't have to write staff reports.

638
00:59:37.710 --> 00:59:39.210
barry Cassilly: And, and you using your phone.

639
00:59:39.270 --> 00:59:39.720
Michael Jensen: Do you have.

640
00:59:39.870 --> 00:59:45.960
Michael Jensen: If you have to copy and paste and a no new construction like 12 times I mean.

641
00:59:46.410 --> 00:59:47.280
Andrew Mika: yeah i'm sorry.

642
00:59:47.340 --> 00:59:49.650
Andrew Mika: Your form isn't actually that simple and as.

643
00:59:52.620 --> 00:59:58.860
Andrew Mika: I would have done you actually have to go and type it in specific boxes and because the box with the.

644
01:00:00.270 --> 01:00:06.780
Andrew Mika: area that you can put in accent or whatever it doesn't work that well it's incredibly time consuming.

645
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Andrew Mika: that's why it's the same it's it's six of one half half dozen.

646
01:00:16.440 --> 01:00:17.490
Michael Jensen: So.

647
01:00:19.260 --> 01:00:22.560
Michael Jensen: Let me show you how to do that.

648
01:00:35.580 --> 01:00:46.620
Michael Jensen: Okay, so you're saying that this is making it so when I, this is the developer function on word so you're saying this part is the.

649
01:00:46.650 --> 01:00:47.670
Michael Jensen: time consuming part.

650
01:00:50.160 --> 01:00:54.210
Michael Jensen: And then pasting in here, so what you can do.

651
01:00:55.980 --> 01:00:57.840
Michael Jensen: Like let's say I want.

652
01:00:58.920 --> 01:00:59.820
Michael Jensen: This to be.

653
01:01:01.050 --> 01:01:05.280
Michael Jensen: An a so I copy that I hit.

654
01:01:08.280 --> 01:01:09.330
Michael Jensen: So you can still.

655
01:01:13.980 --> 01:01:21.420
Andrew Mika: thousand don't have that you can't like you can't highlight all, in the end, you have to go through each one individually and there's like four or five pages.

656
01:01:26.670 --> 01:01:29.100
Michael Jensen: Okay, I mean i'm Andrew i'm trying to make.

657
01:01:30.390 --> 01:01:34.860
Michael Jensen: I mean the alternative is drafting all of the findings by hand.

658
01:01:35.760 --> 01:01:37.650
Andrew Mika: isn't isn't the old guys.

659
01:01:46.620 --> 01:01:48.540
Andrew Mika: I don't mean to be problematic and.

660
01:01:50.100 --> 01:01:50.550
Andrew Mika: Less.

661
01:01:51.720 --> 01:01:57.480
Andrew Mika: makes a difference i'm just simply stating what I experienced so when I can say.

662
01:01:58.890 --> 01:02:12.510
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, I mean the other alternative is I mean if you do select that you can do an A and apply it like twice, I believe.

663
01:02:12.780 --> 01:02:16.800
barry Cassilly: Lee, why do you have to do it complies, why are we doing in a.

664
01:02:17.310 --> 01:02:19.740
Michael Jensen: it's it's if it doesn't comply.

665
01:02:20.400 --> 01:02:28.470
Michael Jensen: Yes, but the idea is, these are all the findings that would be required your project.

666
01:02:29.040 --> 01:02:38.610
Michael Jensen: Yes, and so to demonstrate its compliance if it's just blank there's no finding.

667
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.000
barry Cassilly: But what if you say compliance.

668
01:02:42.990 --> 01:02:47.880
Michael Jensen: Well, if it doesn't comply because it's not applicable, do you see the dilemma.

669
01:02:53.670 --> 01:02:55.170
Andrew Mika: Sorry, I have to drop.

670
01:02:56.310 --> 01:02:57.870
Andrew Mika: there's nothing else to vote on right.

671
01:02:59.460 --> 01:03:01.290
Michael Jensen: Now, I guess, this has to be continued.

672
01:03:02.580 --> 01:03:02.970
Andrew Mika: Okay.

673
01:03:04.170 --> 01:03:04.590
barry Cassilly: But wait.

674
01:03:05.520 --> 01:03:05.730
Wait.

675
01:03:06.810 --> 01:03:08.160
Michael Jensen: We don't have them anymore.

676
01:03:08.400 --> 01:03:10.860
barry Cassilly: But wait a minute wait a minute that's fine but we're not going to.

677
01:03:10.950 --> 01:03:13.140
Michael Jensen: actually know we do we have five people.

678
01:03:13.200 --> 01:03:14.490
Michael Jensen: Only we do.

679
01:03:14.550 --> 01:03:14.790
yep.

680
01:03:16.290 --> 01:03:17.070
Andrew Mika: Thanks everyone.

681
01:03:17.700 --> 01:03:20.670
barry Cassilly: Thank you, Andrew mchale I have a question.

682
01:03:21.780 --> 01:03:26.850
barry Cassilly: yeah if we if we if we click that it complies i'm.

683
01:03:27.900 --> 01:03:28.380
barry Cassilly: Like.

684
01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:32.490
barry Cassilly: Even if it's if it's not applicable it's still compliance right.

685
01:03:34.920 --> 01:03:44.340
lauren siegel: yeah I mean that's the point i'm trying to make is i'm not sure whether to click it if it's not applicable or it but it's still complies or what.

686
01:03:44.820 --> 01:03:52.650
barry Cassilly: But it was not applicable it I would click it for simplicity sake, I wouldn't have conflict, I would have clicked the complied button.

687
01:03:52.950 --> 01:03:54.870
barry Cassilly: right to complain right.

688
01:03:55.680 --> 01:03:57.360
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, I would so.

689
01:03:57.570 --> 01:03:58.200
lauren siegel: What we should do.

690
01:03:59.040 --> 01:03:59.730
lauren siegel: I mean here's the.

691
01:04:00.120 --> 01:04:08.370
Michael Jensen: Yes, here's I guess what I want to avoid is someone just goes through, and blindly plex complies for everything and then.

692
01:04:09.120 --> 01:04:23.100
Michael Jensen: You say oh yeah see this is fine and then then when this hits the dnc someone says, well, why is it say complies when there's no roof access structure, and so it sort of needs the.

693
01:04:23.310 --> 01:04:25.260
barry Cassilly: Dino but I.

694
01:04:25.350 --> 01:04:45.900
Michael Jensen: know it does vary, it does, because the point of this is to create a record of the interpretation of the rules and application of them to individual projects, so this was a bad example because it was like not a like it was a CB not a change of use or any kind of construction.

695
01:04:46.200 --> 01:05:00.120
Michael Jensen: yeah so but on a on a on on something where you had changes to the you know where your new construction where it matters, whether there is, you know.

696
01:05:01.590 --> 01:05:04.680
Michael Jensen: 50% of the ground for a while that's a commercial standard oh.

697
01:05:05.250 --> 01:05:05.670
Michael Jensen: Yes, you.

698
01:05:05.700 --> 01:05:07.470
barry Cassilly: Can I see a question now that like.

699
01:05:07.800 --> 01:05:30.480
barry Cassilly: yeah you're doing, are you doing this because i'm there has been a history of people chat nitpicking and challenging like projects that were like sort of generally obviously compliance, but then they would like like object to like every tiny thing is that what you're doing this.

700
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barry Cassilly: Yes, Okay, I think, Andrew was not around when that was happening so I understand why you're doing i'm willing i'm willing to click more boxes, to avoid that problem.

701
01:05:42.120 --> 01:05:43.110
jim murez: And I ask a question.

702
01:05:43.680 --> 01:05:48.990
jim murez: Sure, so I actually have two questions was my was 587 heard tonight.

703
01:05:49.680 --> 01:05:50.520
Michael Jensen: 585.

704
01:05:50.850 --> 01:05:51.570
jim murez: By beating five.

705
01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:56.610
jim murez: Yes, there see you be was hurt yeah oh damn I wanted to be here for a.

706
01:05:57.990 --> 01:06:01.020
Michael Jensen: While you'll get a second bite at the apple at the dnc this month.

707
01:06:01.560 --> 01:06:04.380
jim murez: Did you guys talk about their parking and outdoor dining.

708
01:06:05.970 --> 01:06:07.590
Michael Jensen: know because yeah change your views.

709
01:06:08.160 --> 01:06:09.510
lauren siegel: I didn't think that was relevant.

710
01:06:09.660 --> 01:06:10.920
jim murez: it's outdated we roll up.

711
01:06:10.950 --> 01:06:13.290
barry Cassilly: Nobody knows we don't think it's relevant.

712
01:06:13.950 --> 01:06:17.370
jim murez: Well they're in tremendous non compliance.

713
01:06:17.970 --> 01:06:18.180
Michael Jensen: We.

714
01:06:18.750 --> 01:06:19.770
lauren siegel: see that was part of.

715
01:06:19.980 --> 01:06:21.120
barry Cassilly: We we.

716
01:06:21.240 --> 01:06:21.660
barry Cassilly: went we.

717
01:06:21.930 --> 01:06:37.380
jim murez: know what what was brought up and we don't need to talk about this case but anytime you have an intensification of us, you have to know that what's what they're currently approved to have is what they actually do have, in that they haven't already.

718
01:06:38.640 --> 01:06:42.390
jim murez: extended their their use beyond what was allowed.

719
01:06:45.450 --> 01:06:46.110
jim murez: In other words.

720
01:06:46.710 --> 01:06:48.600
jim murez: If they never had a restaurant permit.

721
01:06:48.840 --> 01:06:54.000
jim murez: And you gave them an alcohol permit because the restaurant was illegal that would not be.

722
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:57.570
jim murez: Looking at the case from the.

723
01:06:57.840 --> 01:06:58.770
Michael Jensen: gym about.

724
01:06:58.980 --> 01:06:59.340
Michael Jensen: Okay.

725
01:06:59.430 --> 01:07:00.450
Michael Jensen: I don't want to go back.

726
01:07:00.690 --> 01:07:02.520
jim murez: yeah we don't need to say as far as your.

727
01:07:02.700 --> 01:07:05.400
Michael Jensen: isn't a this isn't an on sale alcohol.

728
01:07:05.400 --> 01:07:06.900
Michael Jensen: permits it's off sale.

729
01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:09.600
Michael Jensen: Like a grocery store.

730
01:07:09.690 --> 01:07:10.710
jim murez: They are.

731
01:07:11.880 --> 01:07:27.570
jim murez: There only supposed to be a grocery store they're not supposed to have any onsite dining and all of their parking from the telephone Poles out where they have a valet that that you know charges people and direct traffic all of that's public parking that's public land.

732
01:07:27.930 --> 01:07:30.840
barry Cassilly: him you're free to take this up at the dnc.

733
01:07:30.960 --> 01:07:33.060
jim murez: I little I will I will know Okay, so you did.

734
01:07:33.240 --> 01:07:34.170
barry Cassilly: Fine, but but.

735
01:07:34.200 --> 01:07:34.770
Michael Jensen: I would say.

736
01:07:35.250 --> 01:07:36.330
Michael Jensen: We enforce yummy.

737
01:07:36.900 --> 01:07:39.840
barry Cassilly: yummy Jim quit talking over everybody to be clear.

738
01:07:40.140 --> 01:07:49.770
barry Cassilly: We don't care we parking is not our priority over like amenities in our Community, we don't care.

739
01:07:51.090 --> 01:07:54.480
Michael Jensen: Okay Barry that was me talking and I was, I was just gonna say.

740
01:07:56.250 --> 01:07:56.880
Michael Jensen: For my.

741
01:07:58.050 --> 01:08:04.230
Michael Jensen: For my purpose the case at bar is is.

742
01:08:05.730 --> 01:08:12.660
Michael Jensen: Alcohol sales and the tasting whatever the ability to do tastings for their their suppliers.

743
01:08:14.430 --> 01:08:22.470
Michael Jensen: Whether or not their existing use of a restaurant, of whatever dining around the property for their carry out stuff.

744
01:08:23.790 --> 01:08:26.040
Michael Jensen: I mean that's a problem for their.

745
01:08:28.080 --> 01:08:31.170
Michael Jensen: grocery store, you know, extending beyond the grocery store but.

746
01:08:32.400 --> 01:08:35.340
Michael Jensen: You are free to bring this up at the dnc meeting.

747
01:08:35.820 --> 01:08:50.430
jim murez: So let me just talk about your form, I think it's a great idea that what you have, I wonder whether or not you can replace the complies checkbox with a radio button with multiple options.

748
01:08:52.680 --> 01:09:06.240
jim murez: Because, then they wouldn't have to necessarily click and they wouldn't have to type in and a, in other words, or a radio button is typically if you have two or more possibilities, if you give each.

749
01:09:06.570 --> 01:09:07.500
Michael Jensen: Radio apple.

750
01:09:08.190 --> 01:09:08.910
Michael Jensen: There is.

751
01:09:09.270 --> 01:09:15.600
jim murez: A different opportunity, so one might be it doesn't apply one might be a does apply.

752
01:09:17.490 --> 01:09:29.580
jim murez: And if they click it one way or the other way, it would tell you whether or not na is there is not there and then, if there was an issue that, then they could have the space next to it to fill it in with text.

753
01:09:31.680 --> 01:09:32.760
jim murez: You following what i'm saying.

754
01:09:33.450 --> 01:09:36.780
Michael Jensen: yeah and I can, I think I can I can do that.

755
01:09:38.970 --> 01:09:40.260
Michael Jensen: I don't know that it will.

756
01:09:43.560 --> 01:09:45.570
Michael Jensen: Save you from.

757
01:09:46.920 --> 01:09:49.380
Michael Jensen: You may have to still write some stuff in this.

758
01:09:49.410 --> 01:09:50.940
jim murez: But looks at proportion oh.

759
01:09:50.940 --> 01:09:52.440
Michael Jensen: that's just like a.

760
01:09:52.560 --> 01:10:00.630
jim murez: You should only have to write stuff in when there's something in the positive and there was one there's something that needs to be written and a means that that.

761
01:10:00.660 --> 01:10:06.960
jim murez: That it's not applicable and that that really should be the opposite side of the radio button and if there was one side would be.

762
01:10:07.380 --> 01:10:21.210
jim murez: That it's not applicable and other one might be that it's applicable, but it complies and the third one might be It needs an explanation and by picking one of the three choices that would then tell you whether or not there should be something in the text box.

763
01:10:26.220 --> 01:10:27.480
jim murez: Anyway, just a suggestion.

764
01:10:28.530 --> 01:10:29.100
Michael Jensen: Thanks Jim.

765
01:10:30.660 --> 01:10:34.320
Michael Jensen: All right, so I will revise the.

766
01:10:36.120 --> 01:10:38.460
Michael Jensen: I will revise the staff report form.

767
01:10:39.570 --> 01:10:42.420
Michael Jensen: When I figure out how to add those things.

768
01:10:44.520 --> 01:10:45.480
Michael Jensen: But I think I can.

769
01:11:07.980 --> 01:11:09.030
Michael Jensen: We go look at that.

770
01:11:13.410 --> 01:11:14.070
Michael Jensen: figure that out.

771
01:11:14.220 --> 01:11:24.120
jim murez: Of that question, the question is when you're using that can you use the tab key to boy or the spacebar to select between the different options or use the first letter of the of the of the word.

772
01:11:24.150 --> 01:11:24.690
Michael Jensen: I know now.

773
01:11:25.050 --> 01:11:25.350
jim murez: With.

774
01:11:25.590 --> 01:11:27.390
lauren siegel: Can we continue on with the cases.

775
01:11:27.480 --> 01:11:28.110
Yes.

776
01:11:30.180 --> 01:11:34.380
Michael Jensen: So, moving along where are we at 653 sunset.

777
01:11:34.710 --> 01:11:55.500
lauren siegel: Yes, we were so that is also, I have followed up with planning twice now it is under review with supervisors so as soon as I can get an update and then I will update it as well, but i've started to fill out all the staff reports, and this is where I was asking questions so.

778
01:12:02.220 --> 01:12:09.810
Michael Jensen: did so did any of those any of those questions get answered, or should we go to your do you want to bring up your report.

779
01:12:10.590 --> 01:12:14.130
lauren siegel: No, no, those did it was it was around what we just been discussed.

780
01:12:14.880 --> 01:12:23.010
Michael Jensen: So i'm happy that worked at any of them not good answer okay so let's move on, then to matt's not here either friends not here, so we have to skip those.

781
01:12:25.140 --> 01:12:26.370
Michael Jensen: Abbot kinney.

782
01:12:27.600 --> 01:12:31.620
Michael Jensen: Did this one already go more new student this already get a.

783
01:12:36.270 --> 01:12:40.620
Mehrnoosh: Preliminary approvals, because there were some people are.

784
01:12:42.480 --> 01:12:46.740
Mehrnoosh: going against the project itself but they got approval from the planning.

785
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:48.780
Michael Jensen: And I think.

786
01:12:48.990 --> 01:12:51.660
Michael Jensen: we've lost our opportunity here to comment on it.

787
01:12:56.550 --> 01:13:04.830
Michael Jensen: I mean, I think it's this the the toothpaste is out of the tube on this one, oh no that's 1522 advocating sorry i'm wrong.

788
01:13:10.590 --> 01:13:13.740
Michael Jensen: So, are we going to have this one in front of us soon.

789
01:13:15.330 --> 01:13:31.500
Mehrnoosh: And they have any project and they're going to have she's other the state and she's coming back pretty soon and she'll have that this is going to outreach Community the 500 feet radius and then thereafter we're ready to go.

790
01:13:36.510 --> 01:13:40.230
Michael Jensen: Okay, a Chinese to Washington.

791
01:13:41.520 --> 01:13:50.940
Mehrnoosh: I cannot, I cannot get Ahold of anyone there as Tata left messages for the architect of the.

792
01:13:50.970 --> 01:13:51.600
Mehrnoosh: message is.

793
01:13:53.160 --> 01:13:54.450
barry Cassilly: malicious that the whaler.

794
01:13:54.810 --> 01:13:55.470
barry Cassilly: Yes.

795
01:13:55.950 --> 01:13:57.150
barry Cassilly: What are they trying to do.

796
01:13:58.080 --> 01:14:08.160
Mehrnoosh: And you're trying to make it the roof deck, on the other side, not the close to the boardwalk, and the reason they're trying to make it into accessible as a roof deck.

797
01:14:09.840 --> 01:14:10.260
barry Cassilly: Okay.

798
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.020
Michael Jensen: So right now there's a roof over it, and they just want.

799
01:14:13.020 --> 01:14:14.070
Michael Jensen: To take the roof off.

800
01:14:14.370 --> 01:14:28.860
Mehrnoosh: yeah yeah well are, for I don't know how does an engineer I haven't seen the plans, but have even tried to leave messages for the architect I haven't heard anything I haven't heard anything anybody yeah the.

801
01:14:30.840 --> 01:14:36.180
Mehrnoosh: Older sister i've gone to the side of town to the manager know what do you talk.

802
01:14:38.490 --> 01:14:40.290
Michael Jensen: um let me see if I can.

803
01:14:40.320 --> 01:14:41.490
Michael Jensen: dig up the only male.

804
01:14:41.520 --> 01:14:42.600
Mehrnoosh: I didn't actually.

805
01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:51.780
Mehrnoosh: I don't know if it's going to move forward, I don't know I said first time i've come to a situation where nobody response.

806
01:14:52.020 --> 01:14:55.860
barry Cassilly: What the heck were news let's just tell them we're not going to go buy a beer at their place.

807
01:14:56.940 --> 01:14:58.890
Mehrnoosh: No, I was just cursing cousin.

808
01:14:59.550 --> 01:15:02.370
Mehrnoosh: I didn't curse no i'm saying I would.

809
01:15:02.580 --> 01:15:03.600
barry Cassilly: Oh you're gonna curse OK.

810
01:15:06.210 --> 01:15:07.590
Michael Jensen: OK, and then.

811
01:15:10.170 --> 01:15:17.370
Michael Jensen: I don't have an update for this one and that's my fault all right we're through the list um so we have a meeting I mean.

812
01:15:18.270 --> 01:15:29.970
Michael Jensen: Next week is obviously a short week because of the holiday I don't know how many cases you guys have them might be able to come forward if we don't have a lot, I might think about pushing the meeting a week.

813
01:15:30.630 --> 01:15:31.050
Okay.

814
01:15:32.370 --> 01:15:37.710
Michael Jensen: But i'll leave that I mean I know it's nice to have a regular schedule these things so.

815
01:15:38.940 --> 01:15:39.600
Michael Jensen: um.

816
01:15:40.020 --> 01:15:41.520
lauren siegel: Can I ask another question.

817
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:56.160
lauren siegel: Sure, so I am concerned that we have no participation with our Community at all people aren't even showing up and that that I think is an indication of something else that's going on and i'm a bit concerned about it.

818
01:15:56.400 --> 01:16:03.300
lauren siegel: If we don't have full bought into the process and participating in feedback then there's something wrong with the process.

819
01:16:03.810 --> 01:16:11.760
barry Cassilly: I think I agree with you, I think there's something massive we run with the process and I think it like all but goes back to the coastal Commission.

820
01:16:12.270 --> 01:16:22.200
barry Cassilly: um you know they're they don't they're currently they're either not cognizant of of what any of the rules are or they like.

821
01:16:22.830 --> 01:16:38.970
barry Cassilly: distinct are ignoring all the rules, so everybody who's like working from us to lake city staff um and everybody involved in this process is trying to like be responsible um.

822
01:16:39.750 --> 01:16:55.650
barry Cassilly: You know we're we're in the coastal Commission so everybody's like just throwing up their hands, I think it can going well you know these guys are supposed to be the go to guys and we have no idea what they're going to say like at any given point that.

823
01:16:56.640 --> 01:17:00.780
lauren siegel: So it's like you're saying, then we don't really have an effect on the process.

824
01:17:02.250 --> 01:17:16.710
barry Cassilly: We do with with the city, the city listens to us, we listened to the city with their rules like we pay attention to the rules, the city pays attention to the rules and then it gets to the coastal Commission and.

825
01:17:17.730 --> 01:17:29.640
barry Cassilly: unpredictable sometimes absolutely crazy stuff goes on i'm at a staff level, and you know, like after a point everybody's like what are we all doing here.

826
01:17:30.360 --> 01:17:40.590
lauren siegel: So you think that our Community, the people that we are working for are aware of all of this and are just give throwing up their hands and even participating at the.

827
01:17:41.460 --> 01:17:51.300
lauren siegel: Community level, because that would be sad, it would make me feel like we're kind of working in a vacuum and I don't think I thought we were supposed to be participating in in engaging with our.

828
01:17:51.360 --> 01:18:03.330
barry Cassilly: know we are we're supposed to we're supposed to be the connection between the Community and all these governing bodies were supposed to be the entry point um and.

829
01:18:04.410 --> 01:18:15.570
barry Cassilly: uh I, Sir, I feel like a planning staff at the city level arm is like operating reasonably and predictably, to some degree.

830
01:18:15.930 --> 01:18:24.660
barry Cassilly: um and But then when everything goes to the coastal Commission you can't do anything about us unless the coast mission says yes i'm like.

831
01:18:25.230 --> 01:18:39.990
barry Cassilly: Like you can't do an ad on your garage um let's just say yes, and nobody knows what they're going to say at this point, but nobody is known for a few years what they're going to do they keep like coming up with determinations that are like.

832
01:18:41.130 --> 01:18:46.980
barry Cassilly: I have no rhyme or reason to them um so it breaks down the entire process.

833
01:18:49.140 --> 01:18:49.800
lauren siegel: So.

834
01:18:50.010 --> 01:18:52.980
lauren siegel: What can we do about it, though, because I still feel like.

835
01:18:53.100 --> 01:19:03.120
barry Cassilly: You know, we can go tell we can tell them, I feel like tell the Commissioners themselves that you know I don't know if we're gonna be successful that Buddha tried silica mistress themselves.

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barry Cassilly: That this is what's happening um it's not happening with cases in the palisades is not happening in Santa Monica it's only happening in Venice because, for whatever reason, they like I don't know do feel like it's okay to do weird unpredictable i'm stuff in Venice.

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Mehrnoosh: ask a question, please.

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Mehrnoosh: um do you feel like they're only the new ad regulations and the cost of connections, a little bit more complicated than the actual buildings so we've gone through, I mean they had the determination or you go through it, or you don't you wait a month.

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Mehrnoosh: But the user little bit more difficult to go through with the coastal right.

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01:19:49.050 --> 01:19:56.520
barry Cassilly: They are it then then if you're not in the coastal zone for sure if you're not in the coastal zone is pretty simple, but if you're in the coastal zone.

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01:19:58.320 --> 01:20:14.850
Michael Jensen: And I did send we did you know send to coastal our recommendations on expedited review for at us and also reduced parking requirements which everybody else in the city gets the benefit of but not in the coastal zone.

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01:20:15.780 --> 01:20:17.160
Michael Jensen: So i'm.

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01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:29.610
barry Cassilly: Sorry, but I feel I feel like the Commissioners themselves don't even know this has happened because staff has to tell them and staff hasn't told them.

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01:20:30.270 --> 01:20:42.630
lauren siegel: That Barry I actually got up in two different meetings for the coastal Commission and in general comments and talked about see access for eight years and the coastal zone, so there they've heard it twice I don't know what they're doing with it.

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01:20:44.100 --> 01:20:48.630
barry Cassilly: yeah I don't know, but like you know the Commissioners arm.

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01:20:49.830 --> 01:21:08.070
barry Cassilly: My impression is I mean i'm just going off the top my head here, but my impression is the Commissioners have a finite attention span for this stuff they're they're all doing other things, most of the rest of their time and they depend on staff to inform them um and.

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01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:22.590
barry Cassilly: I don't know staff is like I don't know staff is like left the reservation, if he asked me so um you know you say something like that, but they hear nothing from staff about this nothing.

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01:21:23.250 --> 01:21:33.180
barry Cassilly: You know, unless like somebody somebody on the Commission really understands this issue of the State Law and at us and the coastal Commission and not the coastal Commission.

849
01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:44.220
barry Cassilly: And then, some one of us stands up and says wait why we're supposed to be providing more housing why can't we do that in our neighborhood arm, they have no idea what we're talking about.

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01:21:46.830 --> 01:21:56.670
lauren siegel: Okay, but if we can refocus back to the point of our engagement with our Community mchale or Jim do you have it.

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01:21:56.670 --> 01:21:58.200
Michael Jensen: So I think my.

852
01:21:58.260 --> 01:21:58.890
lauren siegel: Nothing.

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01:21:59.010 --> 01:22:11.790
Michael Jensen: involved be honest my my my observation is the majority of the engagement, a year ago was opposition to every kind of project under the sun.

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01:22:13.080 --> 01:22:32.160
Michael Jensen: You know didn't like the height of the height of the building or the setbacks, or the roof deck or whatever, notwithstanding the fact that the project complied with you know the building envelope, and all the other regulations and in the specific plan and in the hell up.

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01:22:34.770 --> 01:22:40.470
Michael Jensen: I if I had to guess, I think the the that group.

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barry Cassilly: But we don't need to do that.

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01:22:47.670 --> 01:22:47.880
yeah.

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01:22:48.990 --> 01:22:49.650
barry Cassilly: yeah we can't hear.

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01:22:50.790 --> 01:22:55.020
Michael Jensen: I mean i'd have to tune into like a APC hearing or something like that on.

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01:22:55.020 --> 01:22:58.290
Michael Jensen: A on a project to see if this is true, but I feel like the battle has.

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01:22:58.860 --> 01:22:59.760
barry Cassilly: We didn't hit.

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01:22:59.970 --> 01:23:00.360
Michael Jensen: At.

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01:23:00.390 --> 01:23:01.560
barry Cassilly: The girls who.

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01:23:01.830 --> 01:23:03.810
lauren siegel: Mikhail you looking cutting out.

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01:23:04.050 --> 01:23:05.220
barry Cassilly: Mikhail we didn't hear you.

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Michael Jensen: Can you hear me now.

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barry Cassilly: yeah we do, but the you got to the point where you're saying you know, like all people are coming only to post stuff a while ago, and then we don't know what you said after that.

868
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Michael Jensen: So I my sense is or my Maybe my This is my gut is that a lot of the opposition that.

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barry Cassilly: You know, we spent.

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01:23:29.430 --> 01:23:33.300
Michael Jensen: A lot of time witnessing at the local level.

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01:23:34.350 --> 01:23:41.730
Michael Jensen: has moved on to the coastal Commission where there are gay men are more receptive and.

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01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:59.580
Michael Jensen: Where there's a lot more discretionary wiggle room on and things that are otherwise you know compliant on their face suddenly get to coastal and they are like well we've come up with a.

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01:23:59.640 --> 01:24:00.450
Michael Jensen: whole new.

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01:24:00.990 --> 01:24:03.240
Michael Jensen: way of looking at this project and.

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01:24:04.830 --> 01:24:07.380
Michael Jensen: You know you're going to have to add a porch or.

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01:24:08.190 --> 01:24:09.030
Michael Jensen: Make your.

877
01:24:09.330 --> 01:24:17.310
Michael Jensen: Make your building smaller, even though the one is presented is within the envelope in the land use plan.

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01:24:19.260 --> 01:24:29.220
Michael Jensen: that's that's My suspicion I don't know if it's true like I said I, although I think this was broken up, I haven't like attended an APC hearing.

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barry Cassilly: To see if they do the thing they do the same thing they don't they ignore all the rules, but not as bad as the co submissions.

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Michael Jensen: No, no, but i'm talking about I don't know whether.

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01:24:41.910 --> 01:24:42.990
Michael Jensen: Like we have definitely.

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01:24:42.990 --> 01:24:46.590
Michael Jensen: seen a yeah we've seen a drop in discourse at this meeting.

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Michael Jensen: But I don't know whether that means I don't know whether that's you know throughout the city than the same.

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01:24:56.790 --> 01:25:03.150
Michael Jensen: And they're just people are skipping the city process all together if they oppose projects and just going to coastal.

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lauren siegel: That would be sad if it's true because then what is the point of all of this.

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01:25:09.840 --> 01:25:11.100
barry Cassilly: Well, good point.

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Michael Jensen: So I mean the I think you know this committee and the dnc generally, I would say is really only as important as the Council office thinks it is.

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Michael Jensen: If if you have a Council office that believes in the system and thinks that.

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01:25:32.010 --> 01:25:37.410
Michael Jensen: You know, they should be deputising the neighborhood Councils to act as their sort of.

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01:25:38.910 --> 01:25:40.140
Michael Jensen: Their local.

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01:25:41.220 --> 01:25:44.070
Michael Jensen: political body and be reflective of.

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01:25:44.340 --> 01:25:48.720
barry Cassilly: of their phone and they're careful mikael sounds like you're telling people to vote for Tracy.

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01:25:50.040 --> 01:25:56.520
Michael Jensen: No i'm i'm i'm just saying, I think it depends, no, I actually have no idea.

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01:25:57.540 --> 01:25:58.170
Michael Jensen: I mean.

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Michael Jensen: I won't even I won't even talk about what i'm doing.

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01:26:02.190 --> 01:26:04.590
Michael Jensen: I have no idea which candidate likes.

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01:26:06.120 --> 01:26:14.700
Michael Jensen: likes neighborhood Councils more than the other honestly that that's not even where I was going I was mostly just saying like very clearly, this Council office doesn't.

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01:26:16.620 --> 01:26:18.960
Michael Jensen: You know doesn't I mean doesn't.

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01:26:20.040 --> 01:26:25.200
Michael Jensen: put a lot of stock in the neighborhood Council that relationship is obviously way fractured.

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01:26:25.410 --> 01:26:33.480
barry Cassilly: over it, but you lay them out, you know all this is like a public meeting we're being recorded, are you all sure we want to continue this conversation.

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01:26:33.750 --> 01:26:35.880
Michael Jensen: No, I don't think anyone.

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01:26:36.090 --> 01:26:48.780
lauren siegel: Will question I I myself had gone to meetings when they were in person, and it was a pretty full room and then we're going online, and it was lustful and now I feel like there's zero people, but.

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barry Cassilly: If you're you're.

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barry Cassilly: you're right you're right, I think we should stop facilitating about this, we can only.

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01:26:56.520 --> 01:26:59.100
Michael Jensen: we're only we're speculating and trying to read tea leaves.

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01:27:00.990 --> 01:27:06.750
lauren siegel: I guess the point of my question is is there anything we can do to engage our Community again like is there any outreach.

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01:27:06.810 --> 01:27:11.280
lauren siegel: Any kind of well bring them back in and get them to care at the local level.

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01:27:11.310 --> 01:27:23.520
Michael Jensen: I mean, one of the things I would like to do, and if people aren't going to show up for projects, maybe what they will show up for is I mean we we still are in the midst of a.

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01:27:25.050 --> 01:27:32.310
Michael Jensen: Community plan, update and they land, you know they're going to try and certifying new land use plan and hopefully this time do a implementing.

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01:27:32.850 --> 01:27:33.210
Michael Jensen: and

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01:27:33.270 --> 01:27:41.130
barry Cassilly: So and and they started that and they did most of that during cope with in 19 99% of people in Venice have no idea that's going on.

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01:27:41.520 --> 01:27:45.720
Michael Jensen: Right, so I think that's an opportunity to maybe re engage with.

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01:27:47.220 --> 01:27:48.690
Michael Jensen: with people who can.

914
01:27:52.950 --> 01:27:56.790
Michael Jensen: You know who want to see change or not.

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01:27:58.290 --> 01:27:59.340
Michael Jensen: and

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01:28:00.420 --> 01:28:02.310
Michael Jensen: we'll go from there, so.

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01:28:02.850 --> 01:28:04.140
Michael Jensen: Okay, so.

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01:28:04.170 --> 01:28:14.220
Michael Jensen: I mean if the case loads are what I would like to do, though, is we do have a long list of cases i'd like to get through them, because some of them have been sitting around for 678 months I had.

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Michael Jensen: When we.

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01:28:15.780 --> 01:28:25.950
Michael Jensen: Clear when we have a clear docket, then I think we should look at you know prospective planning issues and and who knows, maybe that'll bring out.

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01:28:27.480 --> 01:28:27.840
Michael Jensen: People.

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barry Cassilly: I, I agree with Mikhail let's like know we have we have them been we haven't been doing aggressively awesome job at the job we're supposed to be doing let's get clear all these cases up in the next month okay.

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lauren siegel: That sounds good yeah.

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01:28:44.910 --> 01:28:45.450
barry Cassilly: Then we can.

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01:28:46.470 --> 01:28:49.860
lauren siegel: I appreciate the conversation I just wanted to know, thank you.

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01:28:54.510 --> 01:29:01.290
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, I guess, with no other business being before us, I will adjourn the meeting good night everyone.

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lauren siegel: Thank you.

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Night night.