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jim murez: When 123 testing.

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jim murez: To attendees.

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jim murez: Who is who are these people Elizabeth I forget, are you on this committee Elizabeth.

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jim murez: cj are you on this committee raise your hand if you're on this committee know how to raise your hand.

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Elizabeth Rugg, Pallet: i'm not on this committee if you can hear me, I am just an interested resident.

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jim murez: Okay i'm gonna read move your permission to talk for now sorry to bother you.

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Elizabeth Rugg, Pallet: No worries thanks for letting me join.

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jim murez: Good afternoon cj.

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CJ Cole: I will unmute and say good afternoon to you.

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jim murez: seems like that thing downtown was a waste of time.

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CJ Cole: Oh, I know, but at least you got to speak.

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jim murez: Not everybody very few people from the sounds of it.

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CJ Cole: Nobody got to see.

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jim murez: Well, I did.

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CJ Cole: yeah you get I mean there were probably eight or so that got to but we had to have had at least 30 people there.

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jim murez: So I was certainly not one of the first people to sign up, I think that the the woman leans towards Latin names.

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jim murez: Could because my last name could be could be taken as as Hispanic she probably promoted me to speak.

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CJ Cole: that's.

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jim murez: that's the world we live in.

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CJ Cole: you're right.

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jim murez: Because I didn't even put my name in you know that right.

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CJ Cole: Well, I think I did.

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jim murez: Oh, you did her alley did I don't know.

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CJ Cole: It was a I started and I forget who finished, I was having trouble typing in it, but um yeah no bad, but you were actually input pretty early but I yeah I was input before right before you and I didn't get called.

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jim murez: But yeah that's what i'm saying.

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CJ Cole: yeah no i'm not the only ones got called.

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jim murez: Up you put your name in there is.

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jim murez: See Jose or something, you know that might have been a different story.

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CJ Cole: I have no idea how they pick the people.

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jim murez: Well it's got to be whoa.

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CJ Cole: whoa whoa did we get Robin got to speak.

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jim murez: So she did.

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CJ Cole: yeah.

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CJ Cole: She did yeah who else Yolanda obviously she's spoken Spanish.

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CJ Cole: On purpose.

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CJ Cole: Well Scott.

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jim murez: I forget his i've been on this committee.

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jim murez: So he cannot double his parliamentarian.

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jim murez: Hello Oliver let me.

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jim murez: First, make screen sharing possibilities.

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jim murez: And turns.

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jim murez: You tell Sarah everybody's still asking about her.

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jim murez: she's a she's a popular Gal in the salad dressing department.

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jim murez: So i'm going to go ahead and make you host make you co host here we go.

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jim murez: And do you have any other special preferences for who else you'd like to have co host.

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jim murez: You have to unmute if you want us to hear you.

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Oliver Fries: Sorry, I was talking I said all that, Sarah now.

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Oliver Fries: I think i'm okay.

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jim murez: I forget was Elizabeth right on the committee.

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jim murez: That was one I missed, I thought you like task force or something but OK committee and Task Force.

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jim murez: Elizabeth you have to accept.

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jim murez: There you go.

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Oliver Fries: how's it going cj.

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CJ Cole: Okay, I gotta unmute.

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CJ Cole: Your phone good how about you.

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Oliver Fries: Good really good.

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CJ Cole: So my grand canal one.

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Oliver Fries: Never did.

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CJ Cole: Is it still on the market.

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Oliver Fries: yeah they still sell it they're not extremely motivated.

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CJ Cole: i'm looking at still.

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CJ Cole: I took it off my list of five canal less, but I just didn't know when he was still had it listed or not.

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Oliver Fries: I mean they'd still accept an offer, but it did you say it's not unlike that.

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CJ Cole: Now is I don't know I don't go to and I don't use that.

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CJ Cole: I use the mls you should put it on the mls.

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Oliver Fries: yeah sure the right.

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CJ Cole: The other one was in escrow and it fell out.

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Oliver Fries: That yeah the one with the with plans.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so this is or we're missing.

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Oliver Fries: we're missing George.

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Oliver Fries: So i'm going to go ahead and start the meeting it's 301.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We know what all of our I don't I talked to George he's not coming he isn't he had another meeting at three o'clock today.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you that's fine.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so 3302 called the meeting to order i'm going to take roll call or freeze is here, George Francisco absent daffodils minsky.

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Oliver Fries: cj uncle.

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Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan Spiegel.

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Ivan: Yes, here.

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Oliver Fries: James bears.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks everyone for being here next we will review the meeting minutes so pull up my screen.

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Oliver Fries: We don't need to review the meeting minutes but.

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CJ Cole: I have a comment.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, go ahead cj.

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CJ Cole: Okay, I think there is an error here oh good good to pose it up um I know that's the but there's an error that i'm in the Minutes that actually references the standing world, and I think it should be bylaws um.

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CJ Cole: was in the Minutes.

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Oliver Fries: Do you remember exactly where.

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CJ Cole: I five point D.

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Oliver Fries: 20.

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CJ Cole: yeah.

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Oliver Fries: No it's not oh you're right.

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jim murez: Can you share that so we can all see that in freedom.

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Oliver Fries: You guys see this.

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Oliver Fries: I think she's referring to right here.

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Oliver Fries: You guys, to see what I just highlighted.

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Oliver Fries: Okay um.

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CJ Cole: he's five D.

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Oliver Fries: yeah right here at the committee will first tackle the standard rules.

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Oliver Fries: I think that was, I think the original intent was to first apple the standing rules, and then we started to run at a time, so we moved to the bylaws.

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Oliver Fries: I believe that's my understanding.

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Oliver Fries: But.

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CJ Cole: I don't even know that we have this task force Community anymore so.

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CJ Cole: I don't know where that came from, you know that whole.

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CJ Cole: But.

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jim murez: All over one thing we could do is, we could postpone this until the next meeting and go back and look at the video and see what it actually said.

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Oliver Fries: Okay that's what i'll do if that's OK, with everyone else.

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Oliver Fries: that's fine okay.

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Oliver Fries: The agenda.

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Oliver Fries: So now we're going to vote to approve the meeting minutes.

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Oliver Fries: All of her freeze yes.

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Oliver Fries: daffodils good.

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sorry I didn't what do we move into a proof do.

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Oliver Fries: don't, we need to approve the Minutes.

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Daffodil Tyminski: The previously just say we're going to put that off till next meeting.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Was i'm mistaken.

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Oliver Fries: OK, I see yeah you're right so.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think we just carry that so the next meeting and it'll be old business.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks def mm hmm okay next we are moving to public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Please raise your hand, these are items related to the rules of elections committee only so we have to attendees please raise your hand if you'd like to make a comment.

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jim murez: So Lisa redmond has her hand up.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Lisa go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: Yes, I understand that you cannot respond to me in public comments, but i'm hoping, I can pose a question that may be, it could be thrown out and discussion is i'm just trying to understand now that it's too late to do.

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Lisa Redmond: Adjustments for bylaws so a lot of this now is to make standing rules which eventually might get in the next round moved up to bylaws but is there a limit and a cutoff time to get these into done to have the standing rules done by.

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Lisa Redmond: The new ones that's all thanks.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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jim murez: I see no other hands.

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jim murez: You want to close public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, we'll close public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Should we give her a quick answer I mean Ivan do.

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Ivan: You have a quick answer to that yeah no.

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Ivan: there's no deadline okay.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you okay.

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jim murez: Standing rules unless i'm mistaken i've been standing rules are adopted as soon as the board approves them right.

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Ivan: yeah yeah.

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Oliver Fries: Now we there's no old business being carried over for this meeting so we're going to move to new business.

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Oliver Fries: So Item number five new ad hoc committees item for discussion impossible action, let me pull it up, are you guys with Casey it.

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jim murez: No Okay, here it is.

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Oliver Fries: number five here.

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Oliver Fries: item for discussion and possible action discussion about when an ad hoc committee shall begin and timeline for naming the ad hoc committee chair.

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Oliver Fries: Will.

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Oliver Fries: will move to public comment here, and you can see, the motion right here, the rules and selections committee approves submission of the following to be.

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Oliver Fries: On the agenda of the next Board of officers meeting the vendors, they were accounts are hereby ads to follow into it standing rules.

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Oliver Fries: Each then dnc ad hoc committee shelving in its existence, immediately following its creation by the Board of officers and the dnc President shall name the ad hoc committee chair within 72 hours of creation, so now we will.

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Ivan: Make that motion.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you, can I get a.

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Daffodil Tyminski: daffodil i'll second that.

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Oliver Fries: Public comment.

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Oliver Fries: yeah.

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Oliver Fries: Lisa redman Please go ahead.

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jim murez: I think she can just unmute herself.

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Oliver Fries: yeah she can.

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Oliver Fries: ask her down you.

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Lisa Redmond: Thank you um I think this is a great motion and I was thinking of doing the exact pretty much same motion I just didn't get it in time to guys, so I would encourage its adoption, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: We have no more public comment so we'll move to committee discussion, please raise your hand and I will go ahead and call me.

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Oliver Fries: Like cj has her hand up go ahead cj.

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CJ Cole: I just question whether 72 hours is enough time and I guess you know the ad hoc committee is actually brought up in the.

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CJ Cole: Ad COM meeting so that that gives the amount of time between the ad hoc committee and the board meeting you know for the President to come up with a possible person as Chair i'm just.

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CJ Cole: I know how long it took way back when Joe come up with the chairman for the homeless committee, for instance, two months, so I don't know.

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CJ Cole: i'm not him, but I guess the board were the ones that they came up with this.

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CJ Cole: You know, there has to be created a media right.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: don't know the order that people raise their hand sorry there's one of you go ahead.

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Elizabeth Wright: Although it says 72 hours, actually, the President of the organization is privy to the information that potentially there will be a committee.

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Elizabeth Wright: And this is well prior to the outcome meeting.

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Elizabeth Wright: And there's five days between the outcome meeting and the neighborhood Council meeting, the board of directors.

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Elizabeth Wright: Board of officers meeting and it comes out to over a week.

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Elizabeth Wright: Definitely over a week.

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Elizabeth Wright: So I think that is sufficient time.

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Ivan: yeah OK so.

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Ivan: The reason I put this motion together.

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Ivan: The reason why it became a 45 minute discussion at the administrative committee when does the committee go into effect an ad hoc committee and.

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Ivan: They decided they didn't know and they were going to send a thing to the city attorney and ask for guidance, but the city attorney doesn't make standard rules, so we decided just to shortcut this come up with ourselves and just say we're covered.

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Ivan: The 72 hours.

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Ivan: We just don't want it to stall, you know the President for forever, except for one in the past has always named the Chair, right after the committee is created.

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Ivan: Like we wanted to give it a little bit of time.

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Ivan: But we just need to get going, they shouldn't be sitting and waiting.

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Ivan: The President has actually almost two weeks to decide who might be the Chair.

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Ivan: And we feel that's enough time.

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Ivan: But if you want, I mean you can amend it, if you want.

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CJ Cole: i'd like.

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Ivan: Trying to fill the gap.

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Ivan: Rather, should be telling us what our standards are.

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Ivan: i'm done yeah.

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Daffodil Tyminski: No, I think I think i'm Okay, I think everyone else made my comment, I was I when I saw this I thought it was way too short, but then I do realize it is over week.

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Daffodil Tyminski: That someone has to think about it so.

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm i'll go with the group on this one.

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Oliver Fries: looks like he's on the phone okay got it so cj did you want to say something else again.

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CJ Cole: I just I just don't think 72 hours in it, it isn't as long as you think, because we have now changed the outcome to be you know, not a week ahead, they had come is only like three or four days ahead of the.

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CJ Cole: You know I guess it all depends on the committee, I mean if someone out of the blue, is coming up with a committee it doesn't mean that the President has any idea who the right person is to put in his chair.

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CJ Cole: And I think this is going under the assumption that the person proposes deanna committee is the person who will be the chairperson, but that isn't correct and there could be a lot of considerations in who's winning chair, as chair, you might be co chairs I you know I.

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CJ Cole: And there may be people who are interested in being a chairperson and there ought to be enough time that they could respond I don't know It just seems awfully quick.

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Oliver Fries: got it.

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Oliver Fries: i'm not to overcomplicate this and.

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Oliver Fries: The timing is fine, but if the President does not select a chair does that.

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Oliver Fries: Is the ad hoc committee no longer established or what what happens then.

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Ivan: So we actually thought about that, after we sent them to make in the motion.

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Ivan: Is what do you do with the President and decides they're not going to name somebody, then what happens.

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Ivan: And I didn't want to answer that one, but if the committee wants to take that up as an amendment to this, they can do that i'm.

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Ivan: Who who would then name a chair, would it be the board, would it be i'd caught, you know it really should be the President and it comes down to the President, if we make this rule, the President really should follow it, it shouldn't be used as a stall tactic.

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Ivan: that's what we're trying to do here.

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Ivan: The committee goes into effect immediately after after it's approved by the board, the President that has three days could name a chair.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, I understand.

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Oliver Fries: Jim do you want to say something.

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Oliver Fries: He needs one minute.

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm IT staff so i've been are you advocating to not make an amendment or.

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Ivan: You know it's up to you guys I you know i've always had the philosophy, as the President needs to have a little bit of autonomy to be able to keep the business moving that we don't get bogged down with with this kind of procedural things that you know and then debate them and.

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Ivan: So I mean i'm fine with the President.

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Ivan: You know, being the President should be the one to pick his cabinet and effect, you know that's really what this is people that he feels he could work with or she feels they can work with and.

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Ivan: let's see what happens.

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Ivan: If it if it starts being used for thing we can come back again but.

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Ivan: I want to leave them a little bit of flexibility.

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jim murez: So that I, you know i've been waiting to talk to a building and safety inspector, for one, a daffodils neighbors for two and a half weeks, and he finally got back to me on Friday afternoon.

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jim murez: So I was listening to the whole so I have I you know when does it start I think is a very simple issue you know you can't have a meeting until you have a chair and I think that that's The simple answer.

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jim murez: As far as the 72 hours, I believe that cj is correct, I have noticed many times in the past, not just once but several times when it's difficult to appoint a chair, we had a.

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jim murez: public safety committee that was somebody put on the on the the agenda.

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jim murez: Last year, that all of a sudden, nobody wanted a chair Oh, we want to public safety committee, but nobody wanted to chair it and we had mumbling and grumbling from the audience, but when the audience was.

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jim murez: When the stakeholders were asked does anybody want to share this nobody came forward to say they wanted to chair.

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jim murez: And I think that that's a problem, I mean you know, so what happens at that point and that's what I started thinking about I think I haven't already answered but, but what happens if a chair isn't named within 72 hours, does the committee go away.

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jim murez: You know that that's a problem does does the President get his hat slap on the hand, or does the rights of the President get turned over to the board or to the.

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jim murez: Ad COM committee to all of a sudden, make a selection, I mean, I think that that you know if we're going to impose such a consideration.

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jim murez: I think that there's several things that we need to consider also just as important, does the President or somebody have the ability to remove the Chair of an ad hoc committee because I could very easily appoint somebody to a committee.

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jim murez: and say Oh, be the chair for today, so we can pass, so we can bypass the 72 hour rule.

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jim murez: And if you don't want to do it in 30 days from now we'll put somebody else in there i'll just remove them or you can resign or whatever and we'll just you know we just keep playing round Robin on this it doesn't end up solving the problem.

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jim murez: The problem is, we need to have good people that want to do the job and not create controversy in the Community, and I think that this all came about because of the social equity.

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jim murez: issue and, clearly, the person that wrote the mission wrote a very good mission, no question about that, but the amount of controversy around somebody that's supposed to be uniting the Community, the number of people that's.

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Ivan: Jim Jim don't get specific.

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jim murez: yeah I understand, but I understand, but you have to think about why you're doing this.

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jim murez: And what are the consequences, going to be going forward if we're if we're constricting the President to say it has to be done within 72 hours.

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jim murez: Whether it's one week like Liz said or not, and the one week thing may go away if i'm not present anymore i'm just willing to do the work.

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jim murez: You know, on Thursday to get the ad hoc to get the the Ad copy committee together, I used to like to take it 10 days earlier, so now, maybe, what is it two weeks or two and a half weeks between the two days I still don't know if that's enough time.

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jim murez: And, and then like cj pointed out yeah we want to have a homeless Committee, you know what can we say, but if frank doesn't want to do it who's going to do it.

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jim murez: frank frank was a solution that was a compromise everybody said okay that's a fairly you know easy gone person that can handle it.

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jim murez: But it's not an easy position to fill that isn't end up becoming.

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jim murez: you're leaning to one side versus leaning to the other side and that's the problem you got to have people that are neutral and willing to do the job of the mission statement without imposing their own personal agenda.

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jim murez: And that's something that's not always easy to do on some of these committees, so I would oppose the 72 hours I don't think it's going to solve any problems, and I think if we wanted to.

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jim murez: revise the statement to say that the committee doesn't start until the chairs, have pointed that would solve the problem that was the question that you originally raised i'm done Thank you and sorry for the delay.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't think that does solve the problem there right because isn't it um it's tough but isn't it um isn't the issue, what if someone is never appointed not.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Not whether that person that's appointed meets.

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jim murez: Well, no one is ever appointed, then they can then the Committee never begins.

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Ivan: that's right.

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jim murez: Then.

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jim murez: If they're not appointed within the 90 days, then the Committee has to be reformed, that would perhaps solve that because we already have the 90 day period in there also.

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Ivan: My problem with it and I listen, I actually spent a lot of time trying to figure it out originally we were going to put in two weeks.

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Ivan: The President and I don't mean you, Jim don't take it personally i'm.

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jim murez: Not i'm not.

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Ivan: The President should not be allowed to stall a committee by not naming a chair within within a reasonable amount of time.

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Ivan: It was kind of I don't like i'm the President I don't like this committee effect this one, even though the board approved and i'd come approved that you know I don't like it i'm just not going to name a chair.

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Ivan: that's the whole i'm trying to fill.

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jim murez: So what is so what is the solution to that.

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jim murez: Well, this is like.

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Ivan: A point solution.

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Ivan: You have another one.

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Ivan: Then, then we'll hear it, I mean i'm i'm flexible about this, but I guess.

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Ivan: I want.

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Ivan: You to decide what it is we want.

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jim murez: Think, I think that there needs to be answers to maybe maybe the answer needs to be that the chairs appointed by committee.

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jim murez: So, so people would have to apply for it.

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jim murez: And, and then the Committee, whatever the committee is could then decide between the applications who gets to do it, or if the Chair doesn't do it within 72 hours, then it gets turned over to committee something like that might work also.

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Ivan: Well that's That was what I said that could be an alternative, but then it becomes a question of how to keep it from being political.

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jim murez: And and and the other and the other issue is is that if it's by committee than it really needs to be if the Chair doesn't appoint this person.

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jim murez: until the next committee meeting because it occurs at the board, so it would have to then be by the next add calm Committee and the outcome committee could then appoint them.

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jim murez: Because to do it at 72 hours doesn't make it, I mean there's no rationale for that, because the Committee is not going to meet for another month there doesn't make sense to.

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jim murez: Take that extra you know what i'm saying yeah.

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jim murez: Definitely you and cj have your hands up I don't know if you're waiting to speak or not, but.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I wouldn't cj do you want to go first you need to unmute.

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CJ Cole: Okay i'd like to make an amendment that that 72 hours be modified to be two weeks.

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CJ Cole: Anybody seconds is it all.

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jim murez: I guess, I would like to better understand what you're thinking is before we.

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CJ Cole: The two weeks is.

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CJ Cole: Possibly in time to do what you said and that's to get it on the board meeting.

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CJ Cole: But yet it's more time, you know it gives the President more time to talk to people, but I mean these committees, they aren't necessarily the person who.

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CJ Cole: recommends forming them you got a whole constituency does there may be people that want to be chair, I think you need to hear that.

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Ivan: Okay, can I just breaking on that for a second.

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Ivan: that's an urban myth that started years ago, and if it doesn't exist it's not written anywhere that whoever forms put into form and ad hoc committee gets to be the Chair.

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CJ Cole: For a reason you need to give it.

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jim murez: But, so why two weeks i'm not following.

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CJ Cole: Okay, well, I I would love to do what you had mentioned and and that's the 90 days I mean I.

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CJ Cole: I just don't think any of these most of our ad hoc committees are relatively worthless, in fact, most of our communities in general are relatively worthless.

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CJ Cole: You know, so I can't see just continuing to form a committee because somebody personally wants a committee that really doesn't have enough support even.

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CJ Cole: As a committee, but you know it, I think it takes a while I think people have to be allowed to you know voice, you know if they're interested in being on a chairperson.

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CJ Cole: Because the chairperson appoints the committee, so you know if, for some reason somebody gets appointed and you have a different philosophy, the chairperson he's never going to point you to the committee um.

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CJ Cole: But our whole system is screwed out so.

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jim murez: Well, what you said, to a certain extent does play into something that if you wanted to extend it past the 72 hours is proposed.

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jim murez: Then really what you want to do is at one board meeting when the committee is actually approved by the board you then want to open some sort of nomination for for who wants to be the chair of the committee and give people at least 30 days to the next board meeting to respond.

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Ivan: On this i'm sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: It staff, I just wanted to make a comment I am I would propose an amendment lives as follows.

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Daffodil Tyminski: that the President shall name the ad hoc committee chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: by the date of the next.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Add calm meeting and if no chair is named it shall be put to a board vote to name the chair and I basically think two things one crew sending it to a committee to then appoint.

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Daffodil Tyminski: A nominations and all that stuff I mean we already have, I think, extreme administrative burdens from these layers of bureaucracy of we keep putting on everything.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And I just don't know that it's more effective to do anything that way, so I think we give the President, you know close to 30 days, whatever it's probably three weeks to the next board meeting to the next, add come meeting and if nothing if no one is named, then it just goes to the board.

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm taking this up, and I mean.

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Daffodil Tyminski: we'll have to fill in you know.

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Ivan: doesn't committee guys committee terminates.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I mean if the President doesn't want to name anyone and the board doesn't want to name anyone.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh clearly.

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Ivan: No one wants to have the Stone Age.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And, and we will have to figure out how we get nominations but.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I have.

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Daffodil Tyminski: another layer of applications and review and another committee and back to the where i'm going to spend three months just trying to get a chair for another six months.

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Ivan: yeah that's, the problem was having having a go to the board.

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Ivan: You know, and it can become political and I really hate to see that i'd rather have the President being controlled his cabinet.

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Ivan: And people that he feels he can work with.

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CJ Cole: that's fine, but just give them a little time to do it.

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Ivan: Well Okay, I understand, so.

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Daffodil Tyminski: The issue, though, is we're addressing is what if he doesn't.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Right that's what I understand this to be this discussion to be about.

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Ivan: that's the next part of it, if you want to address that yeah.

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jim murez: Look, so if it happens within the 90 days and and it doesn't happen at the end of the 90 days, then what happens the.

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jim murez: Committee dies and sit, they have to.

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Ivan: reapply yeah whatever the deadline is we end up setting if if a cherished not appointed by that that ultimate deadline, the committee terminates.

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Ivan: It but i'm start again.

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Ivan: time I agree and i'm trying to get it settled and by gosh it's a good point you know.

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jim murez: So, but we're trying to settle two things when does the committee start and who is the head of the committee you're.

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jim murez: And I understand why you're doing it, but when you started off saying that you and Liz put this together, you said you wanted to identify when the committee starts right dress we if we address when does the committee start rather than, who is the head of the committee.

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jim murez: Then, maybe we can answer the question.

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jim murez: Okay, maybe the committee starts at the board meeting, at which point if a chair is not appointed within 90 days, and the committee dies that happens on okay.

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Ivan: All right, so however i'm not being a parliamentarian, but you got emotion on the floor that needs a second but let's start with that.

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CJ Cole: What is the motion.

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Ivan: Your your motion to have it go for a month or for two weeks or whatever it was your emotion one.

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Ivan: that's why i'm saying so let's go back to that if nobody second that then we need to have a new amendment.

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CJ Cole: But didn't daffodil.

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Ivan: He made it a man.

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Oliver Fries: daffodil made a motion.

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Oliver Fries: So I just want to get it down here so we're all looking at it, can you repeat the motion okay.

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Oliver Fries: Oh yeah sorry, so my Microsoft word is expired, so I can't make changes, so I can go back before.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh that's annoying.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I know i'm.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry, if not, I can remember.

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Oliver Fries: You know i'm gonna.

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Oliver Fries: i'm gonna.

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jim murez: Have a license on unlimited license to 2010 if you want it.

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Okay.

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jim murez: yeah.

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Oliver Fries: Sure i'll put the agenda up and then.

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Oliver Fries: Take a look here.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so right here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: um so what I would propose at the end of this, where it says, and the dnc President shall name the ad hoc committee chair just say, by the date of the next administrative committee meeting comma.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And it has no if and if no chair is named.

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Daffodil Tyminski: The naming of the Chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: shall be made by board vote.

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Daffodil Tyminski: or let's say I have no chair is named the item shall be placed on that month board meeting agenda.

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Oliver Fries: Item.

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Oliver Fries: We place.

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Oliver Fries: On that board agenda.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And the nomination of the Chair shall go to a full board vote.

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Oliver Fries: The Chair so go to.

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Ivan: The appointment.

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Ivan: Over chair.

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Ivan: Good okay.

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Oliver Fries: One second i'll put that all together.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I guess, we could say if the board declines to nominate a chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: The committee shall die, but actually I feel like that happens already by operations, the bylaws within the.

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Daffodil Tyminski: 90 days.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I could see a situation where the board would maybe be debated and Chair but say we'd like to continue to the next meeting right and so long as it happens within the 90 days it's still functional under the bylaws.

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jim murez: Well that's not necessarily.

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jim murez: True, because the issue right now is not the naming of the Chair, the issue is, when does the committee start.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't find the bylaw language unclear at all in that respect, I know, there was a lot of discussion about people debating the meaning of the word and but I.

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jim murez: Will you can.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think the bylaws are perfectly clear.

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jim murez: But you can't have you can't have a committee if you don't have a chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Right.

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Ivan: Which is why.

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Daffodil Tyminski: President doesn't dominate a chair and the board doesn't appoint a chair and within 90 days, the committee dies.

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Daffodil Tyminski: does not fit my last day.

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Ivan: No, it doesn't say that i'm it says, all that stuff but at different places the 90 days thing it's got it for committee doesn't meet.

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Ivan: Correct within 90 days it terminates but that's not it shouldn't be because there's no chair, it was that was never what that was intended to be.

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Ivan: Heavy meaning.

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Daffodil Tyminski: It doesn't make a difference, oh it works right like the language of the bylaws.

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Ivan: But it drags on forever then and now there's another point in here and Jim you're probably aware of this, but you do not have to wait for a board meeting to announce the Chair.

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Ivan: So you can you can just send out a notice to the board i've appointed Stan hammond to chair the social justice committee, it can be three days after the board meeting and then you can.

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Ivan: get to work, because there were some ad hoc committee us remember that or form because something is coming up, that we need to deal with right away.

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Ivan: And you don't want to have that.

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Daffodil Tyminski: that's obvious right.

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Ivan: Well, I mean the problem is, we have a lot of lawyers in quote.

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Ivan: No offense but everybody's got different reasons and different path you know it's like cheese enough already, this is why we don't get anything done with sitting around arguing procedure.

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Ivan: You know let's just put something in and it doesn't work, we can change it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well i've made my emotion, is there a.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Second, that motion.

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seconded.

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Daffodil Tyminski: See, we might have some public comment yeah I don't see any hands raised me sure.

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jim murez: Okay.

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Ivan: john why don't you read out what you.

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Oliver Fries: What you remember okay so.

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jim murez: Can you enlarge.

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Oliver Fries: Over yeah let me I didn't do that.

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jim murez: You maybe if you close the right hand pane there.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And by the way, we've all talked over Liz right and not let her speak.

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Daffodil Tyminski: she's been patiently raising her hand.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead sorry about that.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay, first I lay under subject up when does the committee exist, you do not have to have a chair or board members.

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Elizabeth Wright: For a committee to exist, and this has demonstrated by the fact that we have standing committees and the only one that never has a chair, or that does not always have a chair is lpc.

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Elizabeth Wright: I mean that's.

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jim murez: A PC.

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jim murez: PC PC.

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Elizabeth Wright: That is the only committee that always has a chair and Members.

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Ivan: know no it's not always true.

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jim murez: yeah so.

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Ivan: Many committees.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay.

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Ivan: Then committees.

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Elizabeth Wright: don't let me rephrase that.

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Elizabeth Wright: There are communities that exist that do not have chairs and do not have Members.

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CJ Cole: we're talking about.

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Elizabeth Wright: rare for a committee exists at the time it's formed and that's perfectly legal.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay, and it's logical.

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Elizabeth Wright: Second thing if you save that an appointment is going to be made by a committee, you have to publicize the fact and you've got to get people to apply.

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Ivan: For expressed interest.

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Elizabeth Wright: expressed interest unless they know about it.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay.

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Elizabeth Wright: next item I actually read robert's rules.

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Elizabeth Wright: And I have the current version.

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Elizabeth Wright: most often the chair of the committee is whoever submitted the request with the ad hoc committee to be formed most often.

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Elizabeth Wright: At times, there are reasons that that person is not a good fit perhaps that person says here's good idea for all y'all to do.

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Elizabeth Wright: Just not me okay.

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Elizabeth Wright: So.

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Elizabeth Wright: we're looking at an extremely rare circumstance.

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Elizabeth Wright: Because usually people who.

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Elizabeth Wright: request.

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Elizabeth Wright: A committee to be formed are interested in doing the work that it takes to head that committee.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay i've said, my pitch that's all.

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Ivan: Okay, however, we have an amendment on the floor.

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Ivan: Is that right.

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jim murez: Except that it's i'm not sure that it's clear.

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jim murez: Because it says that the President shall name the Chair within 72 hours of its creation, and then it goes on to say, by the date of the next administrative committee me.

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Daffodil Tyminski: that's a.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Good that's I can't read it, the Prince way too small for my eyes, but.

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Daffodil Tyminski: At the that's not correct.

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jim murez: yeah I think we want to take out the 72 hours, if I understood what daffodil was recommending.

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jim murez: The 72 hours doesn't apply it's if if the President doesn't do it by the following ad come expedia add calm committee then it goes on to the agenda of the board.

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Oliver Fries: got it Okay, let me just reword this, so this is really small for you guys sorry i'm i'm working in Google docs now.

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jim murez: I can see it fine, but you know the see where it says 100 there if you change that to like to there you go.

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jim murez: All right.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so i'm.

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Oliver Fries: crazy about the board of officers and the dnc President shunning that.

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Oliver Fries: Ad Hoc Committee Chair by the date of the next so we just delete this here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: and actually Can I make one further tweak.

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Daffodil Tyminski: At the end and that's when we shall say what's the very oh God, I really just can't read that hold on, let me try to change my view.

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Oliver Fries: I can just I can try this email it to if that's better.

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Daffodil Tyminski: now hold on i'm gonna i'm gonna.

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jim murez: yeah if you get out of gallery.

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jim murez: If you get out of gallery and.

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Oliver Fries: yeah just.

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Daffodil Tyminski: What i'm doing yeah.

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jim murez: For if you if your gallery just.

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jim murez: push.

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jim murez: It to the right.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah and the appointment of the Chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I will say um and the nomination and appointment does that is award nomination and appointment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Of the Chair.

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Daffodil Tyminski: shall be made by the board.

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Daffodil Tyminski: At the next board meeting.

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jim murez: And so the problem I hear you and I, that sounds fine the logistical problem with that is when the President has that three weeks to make the decision or two and a half weeks, whatever it is four weeks between the board meeting and the following ad come meeting.

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jim murez: that's when the President is making the decision of who that chair is going to be if it doesn't happen then somehow there has to be a notice sent out to the Community.

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jim murez: To be and I think I agree with what Liz was saying, you have to notify the Community that there is an open chair seat available and that can't happen until the next board meeting.

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jim murez: Right, so it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: really was disagree, though right, I mean it's that's what we have outreach for like why why that's.

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jim murez: way way way when does when does the outreach do with them.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But it goes on the board agenda.

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That.

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jim murez: That 72 hours.

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Daffodil Tyminski: or site and then.

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Oliver Fries: Just the the nomination.

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Oliver Fries: And then they.

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jim murez: Well i'm just saying that if you think that outreach is going to be able to reach to the Community.

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jim murez: Within 72 hours to let them know that there's a vacancy available and then somehow they have to be able to get that their their their nomination into the board before the board meeting within that 72 hour period, so the board can then appoint them that's a very, very, very tight schedule.

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Oliver Fries: It.

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Ivan: Maybe it should be, it will never happen.

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jim murez: It won't happen.

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Oliver Fries: The item shouldn't be on the agenda for that board meeting to be an election at the next month for being our special meaning.

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jim murez: That makes a lot more sense and there was you do the you do the the.

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jim murez: Nomination you hope you open the the the nominations at the at that board meeting, but then the actual appointment doesn't happen until the following board meeting.

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Oliver Fries: That makes sense to me too and.

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Oliver Fries: or.

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jim murez: Probably won't and they and they have to get their applications into that following ad COM so add come can put their names on to the Boards agenda prior to the Boards agenda being.

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Ivan: Public right.

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CJ Cole: I guess, but still isn't solving.

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Oliver Fries: This is that's what it says that that is what it already says it's.

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jim murez: it's not just got it it's got a few months are in there, you need you need one more yeah Michael yeah.

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Oliver Fries: Right okay.

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Oliver Fries: That.

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CJ Cole: Committee names it as versus the.

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CJ Cole: board does that need to go out asking people to.

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jim murez: yeah you still got to give people the opportunity to weigh in if they want to be the chair of a committee.

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CJ Cole: Okay, but we now we don't ask for that, because nobody has the ability to.

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CJ Cole: So yeah.

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jim murez: Well, look daffodil made a good a good recommendation here that if no chairs named by the following add calm committee.

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jim murez: Then the board at that next board meeting there was add calm will then place on there a vacancy.

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jim murez: That the Board is now accepting applications or nominations for who wants to chair it and then that at that board meeting, which is whatever it is, three weeks after four weeks after the committee was approved.

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jim murez: At that point, they would announce that the the seat is open and the President has not yet made a decision therefore it's going out to the general public.

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jim murez: And then, at the following ad come committee those applications have to be that would be the due date for the application and then that application would then be selected at that next board meeting so it's a two month cycle, rather than a 90 day cycle and and it's it's.

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jim murez: Are you are you following me with what the cycle is.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Jim.

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Oliver Fries: I got it um so should we should we add that into this.

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jim murez: yeah, we have to figure out what's the right wording.

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jim murez: So no cherries named can.

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Elizabeth Wright: Can I just ask if you can envision 21 people sitting down with a list of names you trying to pick one.

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Ivan: yeah exactly.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I mean.

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jim murez: We do the.

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Ivan: President doesn't do it okay.

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Oliver Fries: yeah.

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Ivan: There was a reason, when we first put the bylaws together this was in the original bylaws.

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Ivan: clicks it seemed like it should just be the board appoints the Committee, the ball or creates the committee and, at that point, the board, you know selects a chair.

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Ivan: And we decided we didn't want to do that, because of the whole application process, the political things involved with it, it was better to just let the Chair pick there, this is all about getting the Chair to name somebody within a reasonable amount of time.

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Ivan: And what's doing is getting more and more complicated.

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CJ Cole: You know I mean I don't see how any of this is going to help.

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Ivan: The Chair to named that's what we want, we want the chair the name of.

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Ivan: The President to name a chair was in a reasonable amount of time.

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Ivan: It should not have to go to committee.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah but but that's why this works so right because it puts pressure on the President to get it done and, if they don't get it done, then they lose their power.

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Ivan: And we have chaos and the committee.

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jim murez: Or you know what though i've been in in in the defense of the President.

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jim murez: You know, this is only come up once in the 20 years that i've been participating in the neighborhood Council right that it, you know and and so let's assume that it's not going to come up very often.

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jim murez: And this is, this is only as a you know, like what we're doing here is we're trying to build in an edge case and and the solution that daffodil proposed with the modified language that we haven't yet written answers that edge case.

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jim murez: As long as it answers the edge case then we've done our part.

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jim murez: We won't be stuck in the place where we are now that it's not defined.

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jim murez: You see what i'm saying.

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CJ Cole: Is that.

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Ivan: I I do I just don't agree with the solution that that coming.

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jim murez: I hear you.

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Ivan: But.

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jim murez: You know Liz makes a good point or 21 people are going to be able to make the selection well.

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That.

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jim murez: That is the worst case scenario, it is the edge case that's come up once in in 22 years of the dnc being in place.

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jim murez: So I would say, you know what, if this is a.

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CJ Cole: case.

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CJ Cole: Where the other possibility would be to just haven't you know if the if it has not been named by the you know the next add come meeting that the committee dies.

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Oliver Fries: yeah well.

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Ivan: That I can support yeah.

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Oliver Fries: How many candidates are there gonna be too, I mean there's probably gonna be.

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Over.

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Ivan: All you need is one where you have 10 candidates or something yeah and then the Board is going to want more time.

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To.

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CJ Cole: You know, we have to give the President some time and if the President can't do it within a reasonable amount of time there's probably some reason, maybe, maybe the ad hoc committee isn't a very good idea, you know what.

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Ivan: you're right, but should the President, be allowed to.

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Ivan: blow up and the committee or terminated committee just by not naming a chair.

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jim murez: No, I agree Ivan I think you're right, and I think the daffodil solution response to that.

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Ivan: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Are there any further changes we need to make here.

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Elizabeth Wright: I would suggest, having the Ad come committing to the appointing rather than the full board.

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Elizabeth Wright: it's fewer number of people and they're already aware of that situation yeah.

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Ivan: I could support that.

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Ivan: You don't want it to go to the board.

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Oliver Fries: Does anybody want to discuss that.

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CJ Cole: With me.

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jim murez: I don't really care what.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We do.

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Oliver Fries: that's fine okay So then, if no chairs named the item she'll be placed on that month's add column committee agenda administrative.

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jim murez: But they still have to go through.

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jim murez: notified.

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Oliver Fries: Oh right.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Right yeah yeah makes notice a little more difficult if you bury it all and add come to be honest, but I don't really care either way.

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Oliver Fries: Either Okay, so the next administrative committee.

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Oliver Fries: Chairman and the search.

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Oliver Fries: So they're basically going to put the candidates on.

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Oliver Fries: The next the following board meetings agenda.

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CJ Cole: If you if you get to add calm and no appointment has been made, then add calm can i'm announcing it's going to go and look for somebody.

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jim murez: But the Board is the one that makes that announcement, because we don't have an audience we don't have an audience and add go.

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OK.

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Oliver Fries: OK.

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jim murez: i'm.

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Ivan: Leaving it to the President.

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Ivan: Look at all this extra stuff you ready good.

627
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Ivan: The President can do the vetting the President might already have an idea who they want on the committee.

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Ivan: I mean all right alright so Jim let me ask you this, then beyond be honest here I mean it's only come up once with you, so you know we can't say it's it's a habit, but don't you usually have an idea one in committee is created, who the Chair will you want them have the Chair be.

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jim murez: So you know it wasn't clear when the preserving public spaces Committee, I mean I had I had to have a couple of conversations with the ladies that put.

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jim murez: That together to try and get them to decide who was going to be the responsible party.

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jim murez: Right, so it, you know it's not 100% clear.

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jim murez: And you know I can certainly see in the homeless committee where people in the Community would say no, that person is not neutral.

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jim murez: The same thing in the social justice that person is not neutral and we need to have unbiased opinions you know if we're talking about the.

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jim murez: The arbor Committee, you know so far we're the only people we've had in the arbor committee or people that want to play it and maintain the landscape in the Community, but what if we had somebody that came in and wanted to to chain saw everything I think you know we.

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jim murez: I don't know what to tell you I mean you know, there needs to be.

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jim murez: some kind of a solution along the lines that daffodil proposed that address the edge case, and if it's lengthy and wording.

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jim murez: Then it's likely in wording, but it will address the problem, and I think that she's right about that, and I think that that Liz is right that it's going to be difficult, but.

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jim murez: it's not going to come up very often, and as long as it doesn't come up very if it comes up very often than we could always go back and rewrite the standing rule.

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jim murez: And and address whatever is incorrect about it and we don't have to adopt this as a bylaws change we can just leave it as a standing room, so we can always change it again in the.

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book.

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Ivan: Alright, so here here's a suggestion why don't we just take out the time limit.

642
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Ivan: And just say the price has been taxed to appoint somebody by whatever it is a week a month that just put that in don't say what happens if the President doesn't do it.

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jim murez: But then.

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Ivan: And then, as the President in touch to do it, then the board can turn around and.

645
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Ivan: try to do something.

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Ivan: i'm saying, Chris remember, we have to get.

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Ivan: Many things.

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jim murez: I have four or.

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jim murez: Five in for the board to get around to doing something for the board to turn around and do something there's nothing in the bylaws for the standing rules that say that the board can do that.

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Ivan: So we would have to we.

651
01:01:25.470 --> 01:01:34.230
jim murez: have to create a separate standing rule to say that the board can appoint a chair to an ad hoc committee and that's what daffodils motion is doing.

652
01:01:36.060 --> 01:01:38.340
Ivan: yeah but that i'm not comfortable with that.

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Ivan: it's going to be too political it'll take for I mean all right, and I really hate i'm going to use pseudonyms I don't want to give it to the real thing we're in a situation now that had come.

654
01:01:55.020 --> 01:02:06.090
Ivan: Where the communities coming in and accusing somebody of whatever you want to call it malfeasance everybody knows what i'm talking about okay.

655
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Ivan: That will show up at a board meeting, while the Board is trying to appoint the Chair.

656
01:02:14.610 --> 01:02:15.180
jim murez: And then the.

657
01:02:15.210 --> 01:02:15.990
jim murez: Lord will make.

658
01:02:16.200 --> 01:02:18.030
Ivan: me want that happening in public.

659
01:02:19.050 --> 01:02:19.740
Ivan: You know.

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jim murez: The Board.

661
01:02:23.730 --> 01:02:24.750
Ivan: has happened before.

662
01:02:24.810 --> 01:02:28.230
Ivan: it's not just now, but you know.

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01:02:29.670 --> 01:02:31.950
CJ Cole: we're in public right now I.

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Ivan: know, I just want the President to be a moot point somebody and you know.

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CJ Cole: I know, give them.

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01:02:40.020 --> 01:02:40.530
Ivan: hope we can.

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01:02:41.160 --> 01:02:43.590
CJ Cole: Go back to the other many doesn't.

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CJ Cole: exist in Georgia jefferson's appointed and leave.

669
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Ivan: So if the President let's say we we go with 30 days Okay, because tj that'll help with your thing i'm.

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01:02:58.620 --> 01:03:02.010
Ivan: The President shall name a chair within 30 days period.

671
01:03:03.300 --> 01:03:07.470
Ivan: If they don't then they're in violation of those standard rules and they could be centered.

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01:03:08.040 --> 01:03:13.200
jim murez: Well, at least, it ought to be 45 days that way, it could be announced at the board meeting, where the the.

673
01:03:13.230 --> 01:03:14.790
Ivan: Committee was oh you don't want.

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jim murez: It this is Ivan.

675
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Ivan: Ivan want to announce a chair.

676
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Ivan: Ivan don't interrupt me.

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jim murez: Complete finished Ivan let me please let me finish this thought you don't want to make it 30 days, because the next board meeting, maybe 31 days away.

678
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jim murez: And what you want to do is you want to announce that the vacancy for the new ad hoc committee at one board meeting at the board meeting where it's being created, and you want to have until the next board meeting to be able to appoint them.

679
01:03:47.520 --> 01:03:49.770
Ivan: But we've never yeah we've never done that.

680
01:03:50.310 --> 01:03:54.600
jim murez: i'm just saying I know what not to do you want to do it right, you want to do it right away.

681
01:03:55.620 --> 01:04:05.280
jim murez: But to do it within 30 days doesn't allow you until the next board meeting and that's all i'm saying, because that way, if you wanted to take nominations, you want to do it publicly.

682
01:04:05.760 --> 01:04:10.530
jim murez: And then you want to you want to announce it at one board meeting, but then you adopted at the next board okay.

683
01:04:11.040 --> 01:04:26.310
Ivan: If the President in in that time wants to put out anybody who's interested apply, but I wouldn't make that are standing rule, because your time if you're just going to have somebody that you want to have be there.

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01:04:28.260 --> 01:04:30.060
jim murez: yeah that's what i'm saying, but I just.

685
01:04:30.060 --> 01:04:31.380
Ivan: say you should have the right to.

686
01:04:31.380 --> 01:04:31.860
Ivan: do that.

687
01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:35.550
Ivan: You shouldn't have to have nomination to open up anything.

688
01:04:35.910 --> 01:04:36.390
Okay.

689
01:04:37.620 --> 01:04:39.090
Oliver Fries: He still does have the right, you can.

690
01:04:39.240 --> 01:04:48.810
Ivan: I mean some of that I realize it's giving you you laterals tardy here, but that was the whole point that we wanted, we wanted things to be able to move forward.

691
01:04:49.950 --> 01:04:52.680
Ivan: You know not get bogged down in all this procedure.

692
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:58.290
jim murez: So what are we, how are we revising this at this point.

693
01:04:59.640 --> 01:05:06.720
jim murez: And, and I would suggest Oliver rather than cutting a part where you've already written there just copy and paste it below let's look at the.

694
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Ivan: New yeah I would say at this point, if you want to go with decide how long the President attached to it out to announce the Chair.

695
01:05:18.090 --> 01:05:20.610
Ivan: and put that in and then let's move on.

696
01:05:22.740 --> 01:05:24.150
Ivan: And let's see how that works.

697
01:05:25.020 --> 01:05:25.890
CJ Cole: I agree.

698
01:05:26.430 --> 01:05:34.290
jim murez: Okay that's fine with me, I do not have a problem with that, as long as we we figure out what happens if the President doesn't do it.

699
01:05:34.320 --> 01:05:34.620
jim murez: don't.

700
01:05:34.650 --> 01:05:35.910
Ivan: That don't figure it out.

701
01:05:36.210 --> 01:05:41.370
Ivan: What happened to the President violated the standard rules by not doing it.

702
01:05:45.150 --> 01:05:46.920
Ivan: And they were penalties for that.

703
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.190
Ivan: which I hope we never have to get into.

704
01:05:50.610 --> 01:05:52.560
jim murez: Oh, I see right yeah okay.

705
01:05:52.590 --> 01:05:58.860
Ivan: cool i'm saying I mean you, the President and can be centered for not following the standard rules.

706
01:05:59.550 --> 01:06:00.060
Okay.

707
01:06:01.110 --> 01:06:01.680
I don't either.

708
01:06:03.360 --> 01:06:05.820
jim murez: Without those, how do you.

709
01:06:06.150 --> 01:06:08.160
CJ Cole: exist without a chairperson.

710
01:06:08.490 --> 01:06:09.960
jim murez: list, do you have a problem without.

711
01:06:10.590 --> 01:06:11.760
Elizabeth Wright: No okay.

712
01:06:11.880 --> 01:06:12.990
Ivan: Okay, so.

713
01:06:13.560 --> 01:06:13.800
What.

714
01:06:17.250 --> 01:06:17.550
Ivan: Can I.

715
01:06:18.390 --> 01:06:19.620
Daffodil Tyminski: Get that.

716
01:06:20.700 --> 01:06:20.970
Ivan: Time.

717
01:06:22.020 --> 01:06:24.120
jim murez: So we're not saying 72 hours, what did you.

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01:06:24.120 --> 01:06:24.570
Ivan: sell no.

719
01:06:25.140 --> 01:06:26.190
Ivan: i'm saying.

720
01:06:26.670 --> 01:06:34.500
Ivan: let's go around the room everybody say what the time should be the President has to appoint somebody by.

721
01:06:38.130 --> 01:06:38.610
jim murez: wanted.

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01:06:38.670 --> 01:06:40.830
jim murez: To me it would be before the next board meeting.

723
01:06:41.370 --> 01:06:42.480
Ivan: So, within 30 days.

724
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:44.700
jim murez: With 31 days okay.

725
01:06:45.270 --> 01:06:51.270
Ivan: Okay 31 days okay all right i'll, what can you call and everybody let's just do a straw poll here.

726
01:06:52.320 --> 01:06:56.670
Oliver Fries: Okay, can everyone all of her i'm good with 31 Ivan.

727
01:06:58.320 --> 01:06:59.370
Ivan: 31 is fine.

728
01:07:00.000 --> 01:07:00.900
Oliver Fries: cj.

729
01:07:01.200 --> 01:07:03.450
CJ Cole: I see your hand the ones that.

730
01:07:04.080 --> 01:07:06.120
Elizabeth Wright: there's 31 is fine.

731
01:07:08.190 --> 01:07:10.530
Daffodil Tyminski: With me totally I think that's.

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01:07:10.680 --> 01:07:14.430
Ivan: Okay, so just go to my original motion.

733
01:07:14.520 --> 01:07:15.360
Oliver Fries: I got it right here.

734
01:07:15.720 --> 01:07:18.060
Ivan: 72 hours but 31 days.

735
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Ivan: And that's good.

736
01:07:21.240 --> 01:07:25.440
jim murez: OK, now we have to put this back out to public comment, and there is a hand raised.

737
01:07:25.920 --> 01:07:26.340
Okay.

738
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Oliver Fries: Jim i've got the shared screen up, can you unmute her.

739
01:07:31.920 --> 01:07:34.140
jim murez: yeah Lisa go ahead.

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Lisa Redmond: um I personally think 31 days is ridiculous it'll just keep pushing it and pushing it when I dreamed up this same motion I was going to give it two weeks and I thought that that was really generous.

741
01:07:51.990 --> 01:07:56.370
Lisa Redmond: I think you're missing the whole point of an ad hoc committee is usually an ad hoc committee.

742
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:02.490
Lisa Redmond: lot of times needs to start dealing with business right away, and the more you push it from happening.

743
01:08:03.000 --> 01:08:08.880
Lisa Redmond: And, especially because they timeout after 12 months it just you're dragging on this situation.

744
01:08:09.480 --> 01:08:17.130
Lisa Redmond: And, and this whole idea of that you have to wait all that time to find people that are neutral is ridiculous politics.

745
01:08:17.490 --> 01:08:24.450
Lisa Redmond: every single one of you there ran for the board or join this committee, because you have an item that you want to push through.

746
01:08:25.350 --> 01:08:35.730
Lisa Redmond: And everyone, I mean you can't say that frank Murphy is neutral frank's they're pushing his specific urban ISM and his whole house building and more affordable housing through.

747
01:08:36.270 --> 01:08:50.790
Lisa Redmond: I pushed through a committee, the homeless Committee did I get named the Chair absolutely not you named frank, so this, you can see that this issue just happened just recently it's happened before as well.

748
01:08:51.990 --> 01:09:05.280
Lisa Redmond: So I think a lot of you need to rethink this I think two weeks is fine, especially because, by the time that motion comes in, even you have already a week and then you have a week by the time you create the ad hoc committee.

749
01:09:06.150 --> 01:09:15.270
Lisa Redmond: or mean the Ad come agenda, then you have the Ad common agenda it the meeting itself, then the board meeting that's at least two weeks they're.

750
01:09:16.110 --> 01:09:26.850
Lisa Redmond: Probably more because the the motion came in earlier, so the President has plenty of time already, to think of a person and you can't always.

751
01:09:27.330 --> 01:09:38.160
Lisa Redmond: Go out of your way to be somewhat neutral, because nothing is neutral, everyone has even the tree people who seem neutral they're pushing their own tree agenda.

752
01:09:41.370 --> 01:09:44.190
Lisa Redmond: that's my point change it back, please.

753
01:09:44.700 --> 01:09:46.980
Ivan: Alright, so Oliver can you read oh.

754
01:09:46.980 --> 01:09:47.520
jim murez: hold on.

755
01:09:47.580 --> 01:09:52.380
jim murez: hold on Ivan there are no other hands up for public comment you need to close.

756
01:09:54.030 --> 01:09:59.910
Ivan: It over can you read the motion as it now stands, to make sure we have a second.

757
01:10:00.810 --> 01:10:04.080
jim murez: And zoom your screen if you see this.

758
01:10:06.330 --> 01:10:07.440
jim murez: makes it a lot better.

759
01:10:09.570 --> 01:10:15.180
jim murez: You can even type in there, like 300% if you want, and as I could make the font bigger to see.

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jim murez: Like is that better yes okay.

761
01:10:21.210 --> 01:10:33.030
Oliver Fries: The motion is the Venice neighborhood Council here by adds the following to its standard rules each vm see ad hoc committee shall begin its existence, immediately following its creation by the Board of officers.

762
01:10:33.450 --> 01:10:38.790
Oliver Fries: And the vlc presidential name the ad hoc committee chair, but that 31 days of its creation.

763
01:10:40.470 --> 01:10:41.130
CJ Cole: I second.

764
01:10:42.870 --> 01:10:43.350
Ivan: Okay.

765
01:10:43.890 --> 01:10:47.730
jim murez: Now i've been let me, let me ask you a technical question or Liz maybe you know.

766
01:10:47.730 --> 01:10:52.380
jim murez: The is this in conflict with what's currently there.

767
01:10:53.610 --> 01:10:54.570
Ivan: I don't think so.

768
01:10:55.290 --> 01:10:59.520
jim murez: Because, is it currently in the bylaws or is it in the Standing roles.

769
01:11:00.690 --> 01:11:01.320
Ivan: Is what.

770
01:11:02.430 --> 01:11:06.510
jim murez: The President shall name the Chair.

771
01:11:06.570 --> 01:11:07.530
Ivan: Right from the bylaws.

772
01:11:07.980 --> 01:11:14.430
jim murez: So if that's in the bylaws aren't we modifying the bylaws to add within 31 days.

773
01:11:15.240 --> 01:11:17.820
Ivan: No we're just standing in that timeline.

774
01:11:19.650 --> 01:11:20.160
And then went.

775
01:11:21.750 --> 01:11:22.530
Ivan: into effect.

776
01:11:22.770 --> 01:11:24.450
jim murez: that's my question, so the.

777
01:11:24.900 --> 01:11:27.900
Ivan: Next, not it doesn't override the bylaws.

778
01:11:28.110 --> 01:11:38.490
jim murez: Okay, but is the wording here about the creation by the by the board, and all of the rest of the wording, the same as it is in the bylaws so we're not.

779
01:11:38.850 --> 01:11:39.570
Ivan: Not in there.

780
01:11:41.220 --> 01:11:43.170
Ivan: We didn't do that we pulled out it's gone.

781
01:11:43.380 --> 01:11:45.000
jim murez: It says the ad hoc committee.

782
01:11:46.350 --> 01:11:55.800
jim murez: OK, and then it says and and the President okay it's the part with the President shall name the ad hoc committee chair and you're adding 31 days.

783
01:11:56.130 --> 01:11:57.540
Ivan: Right, the crawl reading is.

784
01:11:57.720 --> 01:12:02.760
jim murez: Talking just so long as we're not creating a conflict with the bylaws Okay, no okay.

785
01:12:04.110 --> 01:12:04.620
jim murez: No problem.

786
01:12:04.830 --> 01:12:08.340
Ivan: We will we look through all that before we made demotion.

787
01:12:10.230 --> 01:12:10.830
jim murez: Okay.

788
01:12:11.310 --> 01:12:16.350
Ivan: And when the arguments over the Board will add this to the bylaws they can do that.

789
01:12:18.120 --> 01:12:18.360
Oliver Fries: yeah.

790
01:12:18.420 --> 01:12:19.410
Ivan: We can't do that now.

791
01:12:19.830 --> 01:12:21.870
CJ Cole: Ross i'll seconds emotion.

792
01:12:22.020 --> 01:12:25.170
Oliver Fries: Thank you so that's ivan's motion ivan's first and.

793
01:12:26.040 --> 01:12:28.140
CJ Cole: it's daffodils motion isn't it.

794
01:12:28.470 --> 01:12:28.980
No.

795
01:12:30.900 --> 01:12:33.690
Ivan: I don't care anybody can do it, I just want to keep moving.

796
01:12:35.190 --> 01:12:37.350
Oliver Fries: let's take a vote okay okay.

797
01:12:39.030 --> 01:12:40.710
Oliver Fries: All of your freeze yes.

798
01:12:42.420 --> 01:12:45.750
Oliver Fries: daffodil yes cj.

799
01:12:45.990 --> 01:12:47.940
Oliver Fries: Yes, was.

800
01:12:48.240 --> 01:12:48.690
Yes.

801
01:12:49.710 --> 01:12:50.250
Oliver Fries: Ivan.

802
01:12:50.820 --> 01:12:52.260
Oliver Fries: Yes, Jim.

803
01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:53.010
jim murez: Yes.

804
01:12:53.640 --> 01:12:56.610
Oliver Fries: So that 60 s is the motion passes.

805
01:12:57.360 --> 01:13:01.470
Ivan: Okay, and Jim you'll make sure there's catch on to the outcome agenda go on the board.

806
01:13:01.710 --> 01:13:07.230
jim murez: yeah all over you're going to need to submit this as an agenda request to the to add come.

807
01:13:08.160 --> 01:13:13.950
jim murez: Okay that's that's how all that's how all items get on the common agenda.

808
01:13:14.490 --> 01:13:15.000
Oliver Fries: got it.

809
01:13:15.630 --> 01:13:23.550
Oliver Fries: Is that a separate portal that's a separate portal than the know that goes into the same one that i've done to go to board meetings right that's.

810
01:13:23.550 --> 01:13:26.220
jim murez: Correct it's the same as you've already done, you just.

811
01:13:26.220 --> 01:13:26.880
Oliver Fries: follow that.

812
01:13:26.910 --> 01:13:28.650
jim murez: You know it's coming from the.

813
01:13:29.940 --> 01:13:39.480
jim murez: Committee and you put the motion into the motion section Okay, with the put the vote in and that way at all transfers over everybody can see what happened.

814
01:13:41.160 --> 01:13:41.550
Ivan: Okay.

815
01:13:41.850 --> 01:13:52.440
Ivan: And I have one other suggestion had Jim did you could add custom made a moment to to refer some of their city attorney did you send that in yet.

816
01:13:54.990 --> 01:13:58.440
jim murez: No, I would assume that Melissa did, but I wouldn't.

817
01:13:58.680 --> 01:13:59.940
jim murez: i'd help so.

818
01:14:00.870 --> 01:14:01.560
jim murez: Okay, I.

819
01:14:01.920 --> 01:14:09.540
Ivan: didn't ask that you not take any further action until this goes in front of the board, because this will answer the question you were trying to get from this.

820
01:14:09.570 --> 01:14:17.010
jim murez: yeah I forgot, I think I may have sent it to Freddie but I don't i'd have to go back and look at my emails it's two minutes.

821
01:14:17.910 --> 01:14:21.270
Ivan: If you have what you call him just telling them to hold off on it.

822
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:27.540
jim murez: yeah I mean you are the if they respond i'm you know they never respond, but if they were to respond.

823
01:14:27.540 --> 01:14:28.650
jim murez: How Warren.

824
01:14:28.740 --> 01:14:30.660
Ivan: We don't want another whole controversy.

825
01:14:31.020 --> 01:14:31.800
jim murez: Right okay.

826
01:14:32.340 --> 01:14:34.290
Ivan: We solved it ourselves.

827
01:14:34.440 --> 01:14:35.970
Ivan: Okay ready okay.

828
01:14:37.650 --> 01:14:38.520
Ivan: ready we'll be happy.

829
01:14:40.710 --> 01:14:41.790
Ivan: Okay over back to.

830
01:14:41.790 --> 01:14:42.090
You.

831
01:14:43.980 --> 01:14:47.010
Oliver Fries: Item number six budget approval.

832
01:14:48.450 --> 01:15:01.740
Oliver Fries: The Board to approve a procedure to address how items are vetted by the budget and Finance Committee prior to any board action will be considered by the rules and selections committee to be adopted, into the standing rules.

833
01:15:02.010 --> 01:15:03.810
jim murez: i'll make the motion okay.

834
01:15:04.890 --> 01:15:07.680
Oliver Fries: Thank you for those who second.

835
01:15:08.160 --> 01:15:19.620
Oliver Fries: cj cj second the motion is all financial items must be vetted by the budget and Finance Committee prior to being placed on a dnc board agenda, we will move to public comment.

836
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:22.740
Oliver Fries: Jim do you see anyone there.

837
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:24.510
jim murez: yeah let me, let me call there's.

838
01:15:25.050 --> 01:15:25.620
jim murez: Two hands.

839
01:15:25.650 --> 01:15:29.640
jim murez: Two hands up so far um Lisa your hands was up first go ahead.

840
01:15:33.180 --> 01:15:41.610
Lisa Redmond: yeah this motion doesn't define what the vetting process is now are you just vetting to determine that the.

841
01:15:42.030 --> 01:15:52.140
Lisa Redmond: application was done correctly, that all the i's are dotted t's are crossed, and the right signatures are there, or we vetting on the merits, because that should be the board.

842
01:15:52.590 --> 01:16:01.710
Lisa Redmond: This is a pretty broad, open statement motion that doesn't define anything and doesn't I thought the whole idea was also to place.

843
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:09.570
Lisa Redmond: Some ideas and an old process that used to exist that somehow stopping existence, so that the board doesn't get all confused.

844
01:16:10.020 --> 01:16:21.090
Lisa Redmond: So i'm not happy with this motion that's pretty open and broad and doesn't really change anything, because technically the budget and Finance Committee is supposed to already be betting financial items.

845
01:16:24.240 --> 01:16:24.600
Oliver Fries: You.

846
01:16:25.320 --> 01:16:34.860
jim murez: Jim is there anybody else yeah let me, I have to grant her thanks my screen again Helen you have your hand up go ahead Lisa if you could put your hand down that'd be helpful.

847
01:16:35.490 --> 01:16:36.600
Helen Fallon: yeah can you hear me.

848
01:16:36.930 --> 01:16:48.510
Helen Fallon: Yes, Okay, thank you yeah I think that the problem with this, this motion is it's a little vague First, it should refer to funding motions that all funding motions come before the budget.

849
01:16:49.230 --> 01:17:01.380
Helen Fallon: Committee and the Budget Committee should reviewing them for accuracy for proper wording for whether the funds are available and where the fun, the source of the funds.

850
01:17:01.740 --> 01:17:11.640
Helen Fallon: And those kind of things, the Budget Committee of course doesn't look at merit, but they should be verifying that it's a proper motion and that there is funding available for it.

851
01:17:12.240 --> 01:17:21.060
Helen Fallon: The problem has clearly been in the past that there's been some assumptions that funding motions went directly to the board and they shouldn't they should go through budget.

852
01:17:21.690 --> 01:17:31.350
Helen Fallon: to verify that you know what account it's going to come out what pot of money that kind of thing, and I would provide I don't think you need to refer it to financial things its.

853
01:17:31.860 --> 01:17:39.120
Helen Fallon: Funding motions so it's clear to everybody if they make a funding motion that committee, they send it to budget and finance to review it.

854
01:17:40.800 --> 01:17:44.220
Helen Fallon: And you should put a few more details of what the review consistent Thank you.

855
01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:48.870
jim murez: Thank you, one to drop your hand also.

856
01:17:50.970 --> 01:17:53.220
jim murez: there's there are no other public comment.

857
01:17:53.730 --> 01:17:56.910
Oliver Fries: closes public comment moving into committee discussion.

858
01:17:59.760 --> 01:18:02.190
jim murez: I would agree, it would be nice if we could.

859
01:18:04.350 --> 01:18:09.150
jim murez: Further define what vetting needs because it's true we don't want to have.

860
01:18:10.380 --> 01:18:10.980
jim murez: The.

861
01:18:12.690 --> 01:18:14.490
jim murez: merits of the.

862
01:18:16.950 --> 01:18:18.840
jim murez: What we call it the resource.

863
01:18:21.420 --> 01:18:24.240
jim murez: being determined we just want to know if the.

864
01:18:25.590 --> 01:18:29.910
jim murez: If the details of it are all if everything's there that needs to be there.

865
01:18:30.810 --> 01:18:31.140
Maybe.

866
01:18:34.260 --> 01:18:36.540
jim murez: Ivan you need to mute as needed.

867
01:18:39.540 --> 01:18:43.260
Oliver Fries: So you can do you want to embed the motion, do we need to add anything here.

868
01:18:43.860 --> 01:18:51.000
jim murez: yeah I mean we're talking about it does anybody have any other feelings about that, I mean that to me, I think that makes a certain amount of sense that we want to.

869
01:18:51.210 --> 01:19:00.210
jim murez: We do want it, we absolutely want to have these things heard by the budget and Finance Committee first if it's not clear to me how we.

870
01:19:02.190 --> 01:19:05.880
jim murez: vet the project without your vet the request, without.

871
01:19:07.440 --> 01:19:11.760
jim murez: getting into the detail or the merits of how the funds will be used.

872
01:19:14.820 --> 01:19:17.670
Elizabeth Wright: I would suggest changing that into approved.

873
01:19:20.940 --> 01:19:37.170
jim murez: But that still doesn't keep it only to the application process I think both public speakers made good points, and I think I would have agreed, the same thing, what is vetted mean that means talked about well.

874
01:19:37.320 --> 01:19:38.760
Elizabeth Wright: or I think that's a separate.

875
01:19:38.820 --> 01:19:39.480
topic.

876
01:19:42.570 --> 01:19:50.370
Elizabeth Wright: All this says is everything has I, I believe the intent is everything must go through budget if it has money involved.

877
01:19:52.050 --> 01:19:56.580
jim murez: correct, but when you send it through budget.

878
01:19:59.220 --> 01:20:11.070
jim murez: Are you looking at the financial impacts, to the dnc or are you looking at how that resources, going to be used.

879
01:20:11.130 --> 01:20:12.330
Elizabeth Wright: that's a separate topic.

880
01:20:12.870 --> 01:20:28.050
jim murez: Is I understand but, but when they're looking at it, we don't want we don't want budget to look at it with that separate topic in mind and therefore deny or approve something because of it that's up to the board to do.

881
01:20:32.340 --> 01:20:44.640
Elizabeth Wright: that's why my comment for my recommendation was to amend it to all financial items must be approved by the budget and Finance Committee prior to being placed on the agenda.

882
01:20:46.680 --> 01:20:56.730
jim murez: But that would still allow the budget and Finance Committee to approve or deny a project because they didn't like the color of the paint.

883
01:20:58.950 --> 01:21:00.570
Elizabeth Wright: Okay, when we.

884
01:21:00.630 --> 01:21:01.920
jim murez: May may have they may have.

885
01:21:02.190 --> 01:21:05.970
jim murez: You know the the budget may be $10 to buy a campaign.

886
01:21:06.210 --> 01:21:13.980
Elizabeth Wright: I do not think the intent of this motion was to resolve what exactly is involved in vetting.

887
01:21:15.330 --> 01:21:21.540
Elizabeth Wright: And instead was purely to make sure that everything goes through budget.

888
01:21:26.160 --> 01:21:29.640
Elizabeth Wright: i'm not on the Budget Committee I don't have answers to this.

889
01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:31.080
Elizabeth Wright: But.

890
01:21:32.610 --> 01:21:38.190
Elizabeth Wright: Other people are on Budget Committee I don't know what was the rationale for this motion.

891
01:21:38.790 --> 01:21:40.860
jim murez: That items don't go directly to the board.

892
01:21:41.850 --> 01:21:45.210
jim murez: Okay, finance and financial items don't go directly to the board.

893
01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:57.600
CJ Cole: Okay okay here's a definition that is having put someone or something through an extremely careful examination.

894
01:21:59.700 --> 01:22:05.880
CJ Cole: And that's what we're asking them to do is to examine it, you know for.

895
01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:13.260
CJ Cole: You I mean I think vetting is a much better word than the other one.

896
01:22:13.470 --> 01:22:15.000
jim murez: been approved yeah I agree.

897
01:22:15.990 --> 01:22:18.510
CJ Cole: I think that it is what it needs.

898
01:22:21.510 --> 01:22:25.140
jim murez: But it's only vetting it for the financial aspects.

899
01:22:25.320 --> 01:22:26.700
jim murez: it's not ready it's.

900
01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:33.480
CJ Cole: More than just haven't say let's be vetted for the financial aspects for.

901
01:22:34.050 --> 01:22:36.150
jim murez: finance for the financial resource.

902
01:22:37.290 --> 01:22:38.370
or resources.

903
01:22:40.350 --> 01:22:52.020
jim murez: I mean I don't know what aspects, exactly, but you know, maybe, maybe the the you know how how the resources, you know whether or not the dnc has the resource or or whether you I don't know how to.

904
01:22:58.470 --> 01:22:59.820
jim murez: daffodil you got any thoughts.

905
01:23:04.020 --> 01:23:13.800
Daffodil Tyminski: Sure um because I i'm trying to think of situations where stuff comes up that's a rule thats related to budget that's not necessarily just for funding.

906
01:23:15.030 --> 01:23:18.990
Daffodil Tyminski: Right like not not a checking if we have money or something like that.

907
01:23:20.490 --> 01:23:26.190
Daffodil Tyminski: um I think vetting is perfectly fine because, ultimately, then goes to rules right.

908
01:23:29.190 --> 01:23:29.970
jim murez: No.

909
01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:33.510
Daffodil Tyminski: Now then, it just go straight to the board agenda.

910
01:23:34.020 --> 01:23:44.790
jim murez: yeah if I apply if i'm a school and I applied for $10 to buy a can of paint and I want to use purple paint on the school.

911
01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:52.860
jim murez: And, and the person on the committee doesn't happen to like the color purple and they live next door to the school.

912
01:23:53.310 --> 01:24:00.930
jim murez: they're going to say they're going to vote no on it, because they don't like the color purple and that decision of what color.

913
01:24:01.620 --> 01:24:19.080
jim murez: is really a decision to be made by the board the Finance Committee is only looking to see as both Helen and Lisa pointed out the the budget and Finance Committee is only looking to see does the money exist in the account to make the funding of this thing available.

914
01:24:20.730 --> 01:24:32.910
jim murez: In other words, can we go ahead and buy the $10 paint have they completed the form application or whatever else in its entirety, so we have the correct signers and we have the correct application filled out.

915
01:24:33.480 --> 01:24:34.530
jim murez: And then, once.

916
01:24:34.590 --> 01:24:35.880
jim murez: Once finance does.

917
01:24:36.300 --> 01:24:43.590
jim murez: It then goes forward to the Board and the board can then say wait a minute public comments as we don't like purple can you change it to green.

918
01:24:45.450 --> 01:24:50.880
Daffodil Tyminski: Exactly Ivan What was your I mean what was your intent in in bringing this.

919
01:24:54.540 --> 01:24:54.870
Daffodil Tyminski: up.

920
01:24:56.010 --> 01:25:06.030
Ivan: That item shouldn't be brought up to the board, without being looked at by the Budget committee because the board doesn't look at how much money is in the account.

921
01:25:07.080 --> 01:25:18.270
Ivan: The Board, does it look at is this legal purchase that we can actually spend money on which we're running into now, we spent we try to allocate money and they're not allowing.

922
01:25:19.140 --> 01:25:24.750
Daffodil Tyminski: So that's it that's wait like one let's not make rules for one off oddball situations that aren't like.

923
01:25:25.650 --> 01:25:30.480
Ivan: That it's every financial item should be looked at by the Budget Committee.

924
01:25:30.510 --> 01:25:31.740
jim murez: No, no, wait wait wait, what if we.

925
01:25:31.740 --> 01:25:34.470
jim murez: rewrite this just slightly if we say.

926
01:25:35.820 --> 01:25:40.860
jim murez: All funding items must be financially vetted.

927
01:25:42.450 --> 01:25:42.960
jim murez: By.

928
01:25:43.020 --> 01:25:44.790
jim murez: The budget and Finance Committee.

929
01:25:44.880 --> 01:25:48.030
Ivan: No it's not just funding it looks too narrow.

930
01:25:48.750 --> 01:25:56.910
jim murez: Well Okay, but i'm just trying to not use financial and financial so pick some other word, but the point is we're going to financially vet this thing.

931
01:25:58.530 --> 01:25:59.250
Ivan: Well yeah.

932
01:26:00.870 --> 01:26:04.290
CJ Cole: Absolutely almost being word for word from what.

933
01:26:05.730 --> 01:26:08.670
CJ Cole: Our acting treasure use.

934
01:26:08.940 --> 01:26:10.920
jim murez: This is what our acting treasure used.

935
01:26:11.280 --> 01:26:19.770
CJ Cole: yeah you know I mean, I think you can you know in real estate you'll learn, and if you, the more you say the morale you are to get in from.

936
01:26:20.910 --> 01:26:21.270
Ivan: yep.

937
01:26:22.440 --> 01:26:25.650
CJ Cole: And I just think that this is pretty basic what it says.

938
01:26:25.860 --> 01:26:42.420
CJ Cole: And you know, the definition of veteran is a whole lot better than a veteran definition of approved um and you know you're always going to get somebody on a committee that doesn't like something and they're going to find a reason to vote against it anyway.

939
01:26:44.400 --> 01:26:47.460
Ivan: yeah I remember the Board has the final say.

940
01:26:50.850 --> 01:26:55.380
Ivan: No matter what the Budget Committee of the Board can choose to say no, we don't agree.

941
01:26:55.710 --> 01:26:58.050
jim murez: Not if it doesn't get to the board.

942
01:26:59.220 --> 01:26:59.670
Ivan: well.

943
01:26:59.730 --> 01:27:00.660
jim murez: Because they don't.

944
01:27:00.930 --> 01:27:03.420
Ivan: we're not saying it shouldn't get to the board.

945
01:27:03.510 --> 01:27:06.480
Ivan: No saying, should we look at before we get.

946
01:27:06.750 --> 01:27:12.270
jim murez: The Board i'm saying is if they don't like the color and i'm using that as an example because it's very.

947
01:27:12.330 --> 01:27:17.100
Ivan: yeah but Kim i've been on the Budget Committee for 15 years that doesn't happen.

948
01:27:17.460 --> 01:27:21.840
Ivan: Okay, even when we had the full program program going.

949
01:27:22.290 --> 01:27:26.190
Ivan: But we just the Budget Committee was allowed to work out with the numbers.

950
01:27:26.730 --> 01:27:28.680
Ivan: Whether the purchases were legal.

951
01:27:29.190 --> 01:27:31.650
jim murez: We just had people complaining about this.

952
01:27:31.650 --> 01:27:34.080
Ivan: Exact people complain about everything so.

953
01:27:34.470 --> 01:27:35.220
Ivan: You know, we.

954
01:27:35.280 --> 01:27:45.720
jim murez: were last in the last funding cycle, we had people complaining that people looked at the project, rather than at the financial documents.

955
01:27:47.550 --> 01:27:51.330
Ivan: Yes, because we didn't have a treasure annuity was doing.

956
01:27:51.630 --> 01:27:53.940
jim murez: Excuse me this happened with this treasure.

957
01:27:54.270 --> 01:27:55.560
Ivan: No, no, it didn't.

958
01:27:56.670 --> 01:28:03.810
Ivan: There was things to that, I mean he found all this stuff why we couldn't upload you know funded things and he's right.

959
01:28:06.930 --> 01:28:19.410
Ivan: And people can disagree, but that's you know that's the way it is and the board went along with it, I just want to make sure that somebody is looking at these numbers before we get to the board.

960
01:28:20.670 --> 01:28:22.440
CJ Cole: was having needs.

961
01:28:22.980 --> 01:28:24.510
Ivan: Right I, and I agree.

962
01:28:27.210 --> 01:28:32.100
Ivan: I just want to put it into writing because when we looked at it, it we couldn't find it written anywhere.

963
01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:44.190
Daffodil Tyminski: Why don't we say it this way, why don't We say no i'm.

964
01:28:45.480 --> 01:28:53.550
Daffodil Tyminski: Know spending or budget requests or whatever shall be approved by the dnc board without first having been approved by the budget and Finance Committee.

965
01:28:54.210 --> 01:28:55.350
Ivan: that's fine.

966
01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:58.440
Ivan: saying the same thing, but that's fine.

967
01:28:59.040 --> 01:29:03.390
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah but it gets away from the word.

968
01:29:04.410 --> 01:29:13.410
Daffodil Tyminski: vetted and I guess, we could just say all financial items are spending items must be approved by the budget Finance Committee, but it it actually puts the emphasis on.

969
01:29:13.740 --> 01:29:16.710
Daffodil Tyminski: A budget leaving again i'm agreeing with the.

970
01:29:16.770 --> 01:29:17.790
principal.

971
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:24.540
Ivan: Make sure.

972
01:29:24.660 --> 01:29:28.920
Ivan: All financial matters are covered, like the yearly budget.

973
01:29:30.510 --> 01:29:45.600
Ivan: That we just went through and put in the more approved, I want to make sure that's covered the Budget Committee gets to see that first before it goes to the board so that's why I don't want to define all these things because stuff comes up you know and abortion.

974
01:29:46.500 --> 01:29:47.010
Elizabeth Wright: Is not.

975
01:29:47.220 --> 01:29:50.130
Elizabeth Wright: redefining anything it's simply rephrasing it.

976
01:29:52.770 --> 01:29:53.400
Ivan: Excellent.

977
01:29:53.610 --> 01:29:54.090
Elizabeth Wright: By the way.

978
01:29:54.180 --> 01:29:56.100
Ivan: You still want to be too narrow.

979
01:29:56.970 --> 01:29:58.020
Elizabeth Wright: it's not too narrow.

980
01:29:59.610 --> 01:30:00.060
Okay.

981
01:30:04.830 --> 01:30:06.360
Ivan: Alright, can you read it again def.

982
01:30:07.740 --> 01:30:09.000
jim murez: go in the screen Ivan.

983
01:30:09.750 --> 01:30:11.010
Daffodil Tyminski: ya know spending your.

984
01:30:11.070 --> 01:30:21.210
Daffodil Tyminski: Budget request or how would that that language there those words we we can tweak shall be approved by the war dnc board without first being approved by the budget and Finance Committee.

985
01:30:21.630 --> 01:30:23.190
Ivan: Know spending a bunch of recording.

986
01:30:25.140 --> 01:30:25.620
Ivan: All right.

987
01:30:26.340 --> 01:30:26.880
jim murez: so good.

988
01:30:27.630 --> 01:30:30.240
Ivan: I don't know i'm okay with that, but.

989
01:30:30.510 --> 01:30:37.140
Ivan: I I just don't want it to come back during a board meeting oh wait, this was not covered by that you know.

990
01:30:37.620 --> 01:30:41.610
jim murez: Can because it's a new motion we have hands up, and I think the first budget would be lowercase.

991
01:30:45.210 --> 01:30:50.520
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, that would be that's my motion to I guess substitute the old motion with this fun.

992
01:30:51.330 --> 01:30:53.910
Daffodil Tyminski: All right, I wouldn't need a second well.

993
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:57.390
Ivan: Now the original motion was approved by the Budget Committee.

994
01:30:59.160 --> 01:31:01.200
Ivan: That was sent to you by the Budget Committee.

995
01:31:02.040 --> 01:31:02.640
jim murez: yeah I.

996
01:31:03.000 --> 01:31:04.470
jim murez: mean he has to motion.

997
01:31:07.200 --> 01:31:10.380
jim murez: Well, it has to go back to the are you saying yes go back to the Budget Committee that.

998
01:31:11.910 --> 01:31:18.510
Ivan: No i'm saying it's not anywhere but it's general rule we don't amend committee motion.

999
01:31:19.650 --> 01:31:26.820
Ivan: You know, or at least another committee shouldn't be done, but it's fine I wrote the motion it's fine if you want to change it.

1000
01:31:28.470 --> 01:31:28.860
Oliver Fries: So.

1001
01:31:30.810 --> 01:31:37.500
jim murez: We have public comments I just I guess daffodil made the motion and been new who is going to second.

1002
01:31:38.280 --> 01:31:39.540
Elizabeth Wright: I did Elizabeth.

1003
01:31:39.930 --> 01:31:42.480
CJ Cole: This is using the word approved.

1004
01:31:43.890 --> 01:31:48.540
CJ Cole: which I think vetting and approving is two totally different things yeah.

1005
01:31:48.630 --> 01:31:49.140
jim murez: I agree.

1006
01:31:50.010 --> 01:31:51.870
CJ Cole: yeah purple paint.

1007
01:31:52.050 --> 01:31:53.460
jim murez: I think I think the.

1008
01:31:53.580 --> 01:31:56.040
jim murez: You know I think the original motion was better.

1009
01:31:57.990 --> 01:32:00.900
jim murez: The original motion was better I mean we're not saying anything different.

1010
01:32:02.190 --> 01:32:04.440
jim murez: it's just we're using less precise words.

1011
01:32:07.140 --> 01:32:09.780
Oliver Fries: Oh Okay, but we already have.

1012
01:32:10.590 --> 01:32:13.650
Ivan: A motion right I don't like the word approved.

1013
01:32:13.920 --> 01:32:14.220
Ivan: Unless.

1014
01:32:14.490 --> 01:32:15.690
Ivan: We don't approve any.

1015
01:32:15.780 --> 01:32:16.500
Ivan: Logic meeting.

1016
01:32:16.530 --> 01:32:18.600
jim murez: doesn't approve things right.

1017
01:32:23.250 --> 01:32:24.420
jim murez: You could say review.

1018
01:32:26.400 --> 01:32:27.480
jim murez: Are recommend.

1019
01:32:28.740 --> 01:32:29.850
Oliver Fries: reviewed and approved.

1020
01:32:30.180 --> 01:32:31.590
jim murez: You just use recommend.

1021
01:32:32.430 --> 01:32:42.810
CJ Cole: I would like to make the motion that we undo whatever we've done to this point and go back to the original motion and that that be the motion we vote on.

1022
01:32:43.890 --> 01:32:46.530
jim murez: yeah I think that makes more sense to but.

1023
01:32:51.780 --> 01:32:56.100
jim murez: If we have a substitute motion on the floor, we have to decide if we're going to rescind that.

1024
01:32:56.550 --> 01:32:57.630
Ivan: All right, so.

1025
01:32:59.640 --> 01:33:03.150
Daffodil Tyminski: it's definitely i'm happy to resend it i'm not either either.

1026
01:33:03.180 --> 01:33:03.480
yeah.

1027
01:33:05.160 --> 01:33:05.430
Daffodil Tyminski: What.

1028
01:33:05.460 --> 01:33:07.680
Ivan: Why don't you take a vote on it.

1029
01:33:09.930 --> 01:33:10.260
jim murez: well.

1030
01:33:10.320 --> 01:33:12.150
jim murez: It is willing to withdraw it.

1031
01:33:12.210 --> 01:33:13.440
Ivan: Alright, so.

1032
01:33:13.740 --> 01:33:14.670
Ivan: that's up to you.

1033
01:33:15.270 --> 01:33:18.870
Oliver Fries: back to the original it seems like everyone wants to do that.

1034
01:33:19.020 --> 01:33:20.520
jim murez: yeah and then we don't have to go through more.

1035
01:33:20.520 --> 01:33:21.600
Ivan: Politics we.

1036
01:33:21.690 --> 01:33:22.530
jim murez: were already there.

1037
01:33:22.980 --> 01:33:23.880
Oliver Fries: let's take a.

1038
01:33:24.060 --> 01:33:28.710
Ivan: All right, then let's let's take a vote on the original motion and see how it goes okay.

1039
01:33:30.510 --> 01:33:31.770
Oliver Fries: Taking a vote on the original.

1040
01:33:31.860 --> 01:33:34.770
Ivan: you've already taken public comment on the original motion.

1041
01:33:35.040 --> 01:33:37.230
jim murez: yeah we already had Helen you can put your hand down.

1042
01:33:37.500 --> 01:33:38.160
Oliver Fries: Taking a vote.

1043
01:33:39.720 --> 01:33:41.520
Oliver Fries: Okay, all over phrase yes.

1044
01:33:42.750 --> 01:33:43.470
Oliver Fries: daffodil.

1045
01:33:43.860 --> 01:33:46.020
Oliver Fries: Yes, cj.

1046
01:33:46.290 --> 01:33:49.620
Elizabeth Wright: Yes, Elizabeth yes.

1047
01:33:50.040 --> 01:33:50.580
Ivan.

1048
01:33:53.670 --> 01:33:54.090
Oliver Fries: Ivan.

1049
01:33:54.330 --> 01:33:54.840
Yes.

1050
01:33:56.100 --> 01:33:57.420
jim murez: Jim yes.

1051
01:33:57.750 --> 01:34:01.410
Oliver Fries: Okay that's 60 SS motion passes.

1052
01:34:06.240 --> 01:34:06.930
Okay.

1053
01:34:08.040 --> 01:34:09.990
jim murez: So you'll you'll submit that to.

1054
01:34:10.590 --> 01:34:13.050
Ivan: Add columns john can sing Gavin over.

1055
01:34:13.050 --> 01:34:16.590
Ivan: Please make sure they get caught wind of it i'll do it tonight.

1056
01:34:16.830 --> 01:34:23.610
jim murez: yeah as a separate agenda request doesn't going with this with the previous one correct okay okay.

1057
01:34:24.600 --> 01:34:24.870
Right.

1058
01:34:25.890 --> 01:34:26.640
Oliver Fries: Okay that's it.

1059
01:34:27.390 --> 01:34:31.410
Ivan: doesn't say anything about extending rule, this would be standing rule.

1060
01:34:34.110 --> 01:34:35.220
Oliver Fries: Okay got it.

1061
01:34:37.350 --> 01:34:41.970
Oliver Fries: Okay that's it for items for new business items.

1062
01:34:43.020 --> 01:34:46.740
Oliver Fries: comments on anything that wasn't on the agenda for consideration.

1063
01:34:48.420 --> 01:34:48.930
Oliver Fries: death.

1064
01:34:49.980 --> 01:34:52.380
Daffodil Tyminski: I two things one, it seems from.

1065
01:34:54.000 --> 01:35:04.380
Daffodil Tyminski: You know we've had all of these potential bylaws changes or things we thought about the gun and I wonder if, for the benefit of the next board we try to put together some packet.

1066
01:35:04.950 --> 01:35:22.230
Daffodil Tyminski: Where we kind of, say, this is everything that didn't get done we at least thought should get done just to give them a leg up yeah so they don't start from square one, the way we did not that anyone intended us to i'm not willing to sort of worked out that way yeah.

1067
01:35:23.670 --> 01:35:24.210
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm.

1068
01:35:25.200 --> 01:35:25.680
jim murez: standing.

1069
01:35:25.980 --> 01:35:27.690
jim murez: Some of those be standing rules today.

1070
01:35:28.800 --> 01:35:30.270
Oliver Fries: We could start to chip away at it.

1071
01:35:30.630 --> 01:35:34.080
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah we could but it just let's identify like okay.

1072
01:35:36.390 --> 01:35:36.750
Daffodil Tyminski: What.

1073
01:35:38.850 --> 01:35:39.540
Daffodil Tyminski: So yeah.

1074
01:35:39.780 --> 01:35:50.700
Daffodil Tyminski: What i'm what i'm trying to do was give it a lot of lead time here, because you know well now we're year two right going into that and so this stuff just takes a while okay.

1075
01:35:51.450 --> 01:35:55.050
CJ Cole: yeah but isn't that within our we came here.

1076
01:35:55.110 --> 01:35:55.710
Ivan: To do that.

1077
01:35:55.830 --> 01:35:59.340
CJ Cole: The next meeting, now, but between now and.

1078
01:35:59.610 --> 01:36:00.750
CJ Cole: Next headline.

1079
01:36:02.880 --> 01:36:03.510
Ivan: That didn't.

1080
01:36:06.960 --> 01:36:09.870
Ivan: The things that didn't get approved by the board.

1081
01:36:11.130 --> 01:36:12.540
Ivan: We have to look at them.

1082
01:36:12.750 --> 01:36:15.300
Ivan: If they were bylaws revisions.

1083
01:36:15.930 --> 01:36:28.110
Ivan: We can't touch it because we can't change the bylaws if there are new if they were new bylaws things that aren't covered somewhere else, and the bylaws, then we could do them a standard rules.

1084
01:36:29.580 --> 01:36:30.540
Ivan: But we have to look at it.

1085
01:36:30.990 --> 01:36:32.730
Ivan: yeah okay.

1086
01:36:33.840 --> 01:36:35.160
Ivan: And we should probably agenda.

1087
01:36:35.700 --> 01:36:43.920
CJ Cole: The next still be around on the next deadline for submission a bios changes.

1088
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:47.250
Ivan: The next deadline till after the election.

1089
01:36:47.580 --> 01:36:49.770
Daffodil Tyminski: Know that's why i'm saying to go.

1090
01:36:50.430 --> 01:36:55.170
Daffodil Tyminski: up so that they when they take office they'll have kind of a roadmap to what we did, and.

1091
01:36:55.170 --> 01:36:56.460
Daffodil Tyminski: Where to go if they want.

1092
01:36:57.030 --> 01:36:57.900
Ivan: yeah they could.

1093
01:36:58.440 --> 01:37:00.570
CJ Cole: So That being said, we're almost done then.

1094
01:37:01.560 --> 01:37:02.910
Ivan: i'm actually.

1095
01:37:03.540 --> 01:37:06.750
Ivan: No, we just found out that.

1096
01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:12.810
Ivan: They changed our election date it's now the last Sunday in March.

1097
01:37:15.030 --> 01:37:19.140
Ivan: I don't have a date in front of me the 28th 29th something like that.

1098
01:37:19.440 --> 01:37:20.070
jim murez: So does that mean.

1099
01:37:20.790 --> 01:37:23.100
jim murez: Does that also mean our term is shorter as a.

1100
01:37:23.100 --> 01:37:28.200
Ivan: result, no, no, the current board they use in effect.

1101
01:37:29.220 --> 01:37:35.580
Ivan: And the new board get sworn in on around July 1 they want to square and everybody, at the same time.

1102
01:37:35.760 --> 01:37:40.470
CJ Cole: What i'm saying is it as a committee we will still exist.

1103
01:37:40.740 --> 01:37:41.340
Yes.

1104
01:37:43.200 --> 01:37:46.170
Ivan: We should, well, it depends on when they take the moratorium off.

1105
01:37:48.570 --> 01:37:56.100
Ivan: You understand that they haven't given us today whenever that's over, we could jump right in with with new stuff before the new board.

1106
01:37:57.510 --> 01:37:57.750
CJ Cole: yeah.

1107
01:37:57.930 --> 01:37:58.710
Elizabeth Wright: We don't have stuff.

1108
01:37:58.770 --> 01:38:02.400
Elizabeth Wright: ready to go, we don't have to wait until the moratorium is over.

1109
01:38:03.600 --> 01:38:04.710
Ivan: that's true, we could.

1110
01:38:05.280 --> 01:38:05.820
yeah.

1111
01:38:07.800 --> 01:38:08.280
Ivan: We could.

1112
01:38:09.810 --> 01:38:10.230
Ivan: All right.

1113
01:38:12.060 --> 01:38:12.900
Ivan: Are we done with us.

1114
01:38:14.130 --> 01:38:15.120
Oliver Fries: anybody else.

1115
01:38:15.450 --> 01:38:17.460
Ivan: or yeah I have something I want to talk about.

1116
01:38:19.410 --> 01:38:29.040
Ivan: I was talking to Freddie the other day and Jim, are you aware of the what the state legislature is doing to amend the brown act.

1117
01:38:30.570 --> 01:38:38.580
jim murez: i've kind of been partially following it to allow virtual meetings or or or what do you call it hybrid meetings.

1118
01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:52.080
Ivan: yeah it's a new they're trying to set policy yeah it's already past the Assembly yeah it's going to the Senate soon and then they'll probably be a reconciliation bill.

1119
01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:56.520
Ivan: But it's devastating to neighborhood Council.

1120
01:38:57.810 --> 01:39:01.380
Ivan: So my question here is, we should definitely.

1121
01:39:02.550 --> 01:39:04.830
Ivan: be looking at it, you know.

1122
01:39:05.310 --> 01:39:07.110
jim murez: Why, why do you say why would you say.

1123
01:39:07.350 --> 01:39:10.380
jim murez: Why would you say it's devastating to neighborhood Councils okay.

1124
01:39:10.440 --> 01:39:13.950
Ivan: Jim i'll give you the bill, and you read it, you tell me.

1125
01:39:14.250 --> 01:39:14.640
jim murez: Okay.

1126
01:39:15.630 --> 01:39:21.360
Ivan: All right, it's aimed at other government organizations were like you know the.

1127
01:39:21.450 --> 01:39:22.590
jim murez: Low hanging fruit here.

1128
01:39:22.620 --> 01:39:25.140
jim murez: Anyway, alright, so do that offline that's fine.

1129
01:39:25.410 --> 01:39:32.280
Ivan: Right, but no, this is what i've got to know now or i'd like to know, should be going to this committee.

1130
01:39:33.360 --> 01:39:35.190
Ivan: To be following and to deal with.

1131
01:39:35.430 --> 01:39:39.300
jim murez: The rules, why don't you sit why don't you send out the bill to everybody on the.

1132
01:39:39.300 --> 01:39:44.940
jim murez: committee and then we exchange comments of whether or not we want to do, because ultimately we would need to do it.

1133
01:39:45.270 --> 01:39:47.100
Ivan: Well, I don't want to wait a month.

1134
01:39:48.660 --> 01:40:03.150
Ivan: Somebody needs the hearings are coming up walk I said already been passed through the Assembly, and if we don't jump on it soon and find out what's going on and what we have to do we're going to lose our voice.

1135
01:40:05.130 --> 01:40:10.110
Ivan: So everybody just write this down you're gonna have to look it up it's a B.

1136
01:40:11.130 --> 01:40:16.650
CJ Cole: And 2449 why don't we just have another meeting to discuss it.

1137
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:19.440
Ivan: Because I want everybody to look at it, we have to figure.

1138
01:40:19.440 --> 01:40:19.620
out.

1139
01:40:21.270 --> 01:40:27.210
CJ Cole: If you email it to us and we say in five days or a week we're going to get together and decide.

1140
01:40:28.230 --> 01:40:28.590
Ivan: All right.

1141
01:40:29.430 --> 01:40:30.000
Oliver.

1142
01:40:31.080 --> 01:40:34.560
jim murez: Oliver can do that in 24 hours, he can do that in a week.

1143
01:40:34.620 --> 01:40:35.550
Ivan: I know Oliver.

1144
01:40:35.880 --> 01:40:38.610
Ivan: Can you write this down then and send it out to everybody.

1145
01:40:39.090 --> 01:40:40.650
Oliver Fries: Already did at 24.

1146
01:40:40.740 --> 01:40:41.370
Ivan: A, B.

1147
01:40:41.430 --> 01:40:47.010
Ivan: 2449 and a be 1944.

1148
01:40:48.000 --> 01:40:48.870
Oliver Fries: i'll send it right now.

1149
01:40:48.960 --> 01:40:53.730
Ivan: There are two things going on at the probably going to try to tie together okay.

1150
01:40:55.140 --> 01:40:57.750
Ivan: Okay, and I guess Jim.

1151
01:40:58.920 --> 01:41:02.970
Ivan: really going to be up to you, who you want to have work on this.

1152
01:41:05.730 --> 01:41:07.440
jim murez: yeah maybe communications.

1153
01:41:08.490 --> 01:41:11.280
Ivan: Well, and that might be a logical choice.

1154
01:41:11.970 --> 01:41:12.930
jim murez: yep okay.

1155
01:41:13.770 --> 01:41:25.800
Ivan: Okay, but i'm just I just don't want it to fall through the cracks here okay we've already contacted Bob and Bob who's going to be doing something in the very least, somebody should go to those hearings.

1156
01:41:27.120 --> 01:41:29.340
jim murez: Well, or Rack, I mean yeah, we need to all.

1157
01:41:29.400 --> 01:41:30.840
Ivan: know this is a Bob rock.

1158
01:41:31.260 --> 01:41:31.590
Okay.

1159
01:41:33.420 --> 01:41:35.220
jim murez: i'm sure do I thank you.

1160
01:41:37.200 --> 01:41:38.490
Ivan: Alright, thanks everybody.

1161
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:41.160
Oliver Fries: Thanks everyone it's 436.

1162
01:41:42.270 --> 01:41:44.430
going to end the meeting and i'll see you guys soon.

1163
01:41:46.830 --> 01:41:47.790
Ivan: Thank you over.

1164
01:41:48.330 --> 01:41:49.500
jim murez: Thank you bye bye.

1165
01:41:50.250 --> 01:41:50.520
Ivan: All right.