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jim murez: Nick are you there.

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Robin: Yes, I am.

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jim murez: that's Robin and sounds.

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Robin: yeah so now that was Dominique and.

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jim murez: Oh yeah just smoked in the same room again.

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Robin: yeah but we've got it exterior speaker on.

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Robin: So, can you, you can hear me, can you hear me fine I could hear Dominique too, but.

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jim murez: I because it started was muted I didn't realize it, which are.

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jim murez: Okay, so you guys are good to go um.

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jim murez: let's do this, let me do a couple more settings here.

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jim murez: So.

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jim murez: Everybody can now share screens.

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Robin: i'm not seeing the participants, how do I see them it's.

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jim murez: down to the bottom.

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jim murez: yeah where it says participants you click on a button.

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jim murez: yeah.

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Robin: yeah okay now they're coming up.

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jim murez: yeah now which one of you wants to be host and which one wants to be co host.

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Robin: And we just both wanna yeah we want to.

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Robin: don't they both have the same abilities.

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jim murez: cool.

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jim murez: So now you're both co hosts.

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Robin: sounds good.

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Robin: Okay Okay, I think we're good Jim Thank you.

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jim murez: need anything, let me know and do me a favor text me when you're all done so I can end the meeting and the recording doesn't go any longer.

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Robin: Okay well to thank you.

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jim murez: bye bye.

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Robin: So Betsy then.

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Robin: huh.

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Robin: Okay, why don't you close it oh unable to join this meeting okay why don't you close it and start over go to the agenda.

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Robin: Dominique do you want to do a screen share right now make sure you can get that up.

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Robin: can work last month, so let's assume that it will work, so I think you might have clicked the wrong place, so it.

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Robin: Okay Okay, looking at the zoom link and it says the line above it says, please click the link below to join the webinar you're looking at that one.

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Robin: Okay, so close wherever you are start over you're if you're I don't know how you got where you are but let's close it and.

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Robin: Yes, go to the agenda.

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Robin: No, no, no.

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Robin: Okay you're you're on the agenda you're on the first page of the agenda.

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Robin: Oh yeah so your may 3 agenda.

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Robin: does it say it may 3.

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Robin: It should work.

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Robin: Okay, well then.

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Robin: Oh yeah okay so dominic is going to email you the link right now to the agenda, what you can do is you can go on.

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Robin: Well you'll be able to get her email right.

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Robin: Okay, so she's going to send you the link and then it should be easy.

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Robin: yeah that'll be a problem, but that it's on the agenda and it's so it shouldn't be.

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Robin: You know, everybody should.

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Robin: we've got see brian's on here.

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Robin: and

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Robin: Darrell do Faye and jenna snow is on here.

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Robin: So far, yeah.

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Robin: yeah.

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Robin: Betsy.

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Robin: At what do you at G men yeah.

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Robin: So she's sending it over and here let's.

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Robin: Brian i'm trying to have you.

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Robin: unmuted up there you are, can you hear us Brian.

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Brian Silveira: I can hear you.

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Robin: Great you're very faint which was true, the other day one of the around assume.

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Brian Silveira: that's strange because i've never heard.

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Robin: anyone else now you good good.

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Robin: few minutes ago.

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Robin: It wasn't so good okay and Janet is here, but i'm.

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Robin: going to go through a little business first jenna so thank you so much for coming i'm going to unmute you now, though you don't hi Jen are you there.

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Robin: Yes, i'm here, yes, thank you so much, this is, we have to go through a little business first and we're just even figuring out our zoom situation so.

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Robin: We probably won't be ready to do a Q amp a with you for about let's say 15 minutes.

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Jenna Snow: i'll stay here i'll be muted.

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Robin: Okay, great Thank you okay you're you're figuring it out Betsy good okay.

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Robin: Okay, meanwhile, through referral.

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Robin: yeah we don't yet have sonya here.

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Robin: And I can try to call her and make sure she's coming.

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Robin: So i'm not able to see all the participants though all the time it's strange.

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Robin: That he's here now.

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Robin: Sunday, are you setting up the zoom.

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Robin: Okay.

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Robin: Okay, so we're all here.

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Robin: Okay, so do it as soon as you can where we have enough to start the meeting of the voting members to start the meeting, but we want you to be here and not miss anything so.

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Robin: Okay, so as soon as you can and are visiting guest is also here we don't want to keep her waiting too long, so okay.

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Robin: Whatever you need to do if we have to do that, we can do that I can put you on speaker phone now okay so you're on speaker phone.

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Robin: But if you can because we're also going to be showing things or whatever, if you can try to set up your computer as, as you just keep the phone there.

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Robin: So.

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Robin: yeah Oh, and allow her to talk, I will do that.

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Robin: So I have panelists up participants.

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Robin: yeah it changes.

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Robin: So hey everybody who is on can hear us where you know again fumbling through learning how zoom so we apologize.

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Robin: Oh that's a year there brian's there dominic's air i'm Sonia is on the speakerphone for now she's having some computer problems, so we can go ahead, though, and start so Dominique do you want to do the roll call.

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jim murez: Robin before you get started, let me just mention that as chair of the committee, you can rearrange the order of the items, if you have a speaker that's waiting.

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jim murez: A special presentation, you can put your normal business off to the end and have.

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jim murez: You go first it's up to you guys if you if you work if you choose to do that it doesn't pay special.

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Robin: Okay, good.

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jim murez: Now the beginning of the meeting.

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Robin: Okay, Jim i'm having a little trouble being able to see all the participants um is there any trick to that.

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jim murez: I don't know.

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jim murez: let's see here, side by side gallery did that help.

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Robin: i've got this oh now I see you.

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jim murez: When when one person is sharing the screen, the other people are showing up in the right hand margin move the right hand margin to the left.

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jim murez: By putting your cursor over the top of the line that separates the two and sliding it to the left and that allows you to see more of a gallery view of the people online and also the screen share.

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Robin: So what it's doing right now is it's letting me see those of us who are have speaking ability, but the others, I have in a window separately but I can't get them on.

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Robin: The sidebar.

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jim murez: Only the panelists only the.

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jim murez: What are they call.

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jim murez: Only the the panelists are showing in the gallery view.

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jim murez: Okay attendees never show.

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Robin: Okay okay that's That was my confusion.

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jim murez: Okay.

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jim murez: To promote them to be a panel, so if you have a guest speaker you promote the guest speaker to be a panelist and then the panelists can also then share their screen.

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Robin: Okay, that sounds great Okay, so I think we're good um and yeah so dominic you want to do the roll call, please.

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Robin: i'm working the general.

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Robin: public places Community dominic crush on your on your own here that's the golden.

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Robin: Here, Brian so Barea.

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Robin: And, Sonia can you hear us, are you here, I can hear.

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Robin: Great welcome everybody.

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Robin: I am number two would be review comment and adopt meetings from the permian adopt those meeting as well, so let's take a vote on that I.

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Robin: make whatever motion to adopt the Minutes from the private meeting to is there a second.

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Robin: let's take a vote, do you want to call the vote yes, this morning.

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jim murez: So can I interrupt one more time yeah because all of the meetings are being recorded.

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Robin: yeah.

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jim murez: You don't have to take a vote and pass emotion just adopt them as as as they were recorded.

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Robin: Okay, great Thank you, I read.

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jim murez: minute minutes are.

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jim murez: 100% transcribed and recorded now.

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Robin: Right right.

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jim murez: I think they call it by by affirmation it's a motion passed by us.

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Robin: Okay okay.

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Robin: Thank you.

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Robin: Dr minutes from the meeting and let's move on to public comment for non agenda items related to our committee, preserving public places only.

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Those joining us today for polycom.

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Robin: raise your hand if you have any public comments at this time.

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Robin: Okay, not seeing any let's move along to.

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Robin: move on to the CIO report and our report is from our last meeting we file the pagodas emotional which path in the dnc board unanimously and was adopted, so we look forward to.

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Robin: more protection for the ocean lots of orders.

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towards assistance, thank you.

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Robin: Okay, moving on to old business and last month, we had the invitation to everyone in the Community to join task forces.

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Robin: Well, to try to keep this Moving on, so we can get to a visiting guests.

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Robin: yeah let's just invite everyone again whether now during the meeting you can raise your hand if you would like to if you know, right now, a task force you want to join otherwise be in touch with us via email or any means you like and we'll just highlight that.

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Robin: That we've.

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Robin: Put in Task Force on projects as of may 2022 which are those projects that we're going to really try to address right now, immediately that have.

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Robin: A participants on it so there's a link to it on our website and again there lots of documents, also on our web page on the Venice neighborhood Council.

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Robin: Preserving public places, so please familiarize yourself and join in, we want everybody to participate in whatever way you might and that document is called Task Force projects me 2022 and it's like us on our web page, as well as on this agenda.

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Robin: Okay, and then let's move on to i'm going down to the section.

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Robin: sources of funding so number seven on our agenda, well, we have a quorum of everyone here, because if you're that.

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Robin: Sunday might be leaving us early she has a physical therapy appointment so so I knew we still have you here, yes, and I can't find your email so i'll just be on the palm okay that's.

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Robin: Working out yeah yeah okay so um.

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Robin: What sources of funding, what we are talking about is there are a few different sources of funding that we would like to apply for and they include the.

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Robin: Venice neighborhood Council Community improvement projects fund we're thinking that for funding calla colonnade restoration and to apply for that fine.

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Robin: You just need to send a letter to be more to the dnc work with patients that are actually right, but that will include all the typical documentation of budget and description.

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Robin: And then another one is for the dnc neighborhood purpose grants, and for that we are looking at either doing, perhaps a collaboration with the neighborhood's committee they've also talked about wanting to do something with way finding, whether it be an APP or you know.

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Robin: Actually, in talking with Jim he suggested perhaps there's a way of Google maps being.

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Robin: utilized in this way, so that's a possibility or also the colonnade might again be a possibility for that project, and we do have the link to the application.

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Robin: And then actually I think we're not going to make the deadline, because it's today for the lsat beautification grants tomorrow oh me oh yeah well, the reason I was concerned is that we.

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Robin: have been requesting budgets for the fabrication of a mold to make the capitals and poor casting them and they're slow to come in we've received one it's in my mind way too high, so we need to find yeah, we need to find the right one yeah Sonia the folks from.

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Robin: spectra still haven't gotten back to me but yesterday they promised, they would So hopefully we'll we'll get that today, and so yeah maybe we can still make the deadline for the elysee city beautification grants so i'll make a motion that.

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Robin: Our committee task forces prepare applications for those above describe grants so anybody second that.

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Robin: Okay, so it's seconded by Okay, Sonia yeah and then let's see oh Jim has his hand race, do we need to hear your comment first Jim.

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jim murez: um well, I have to make the motion seconded that public comment i'm raising my hand for public comment but also.

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jim murez: The President of the Council, you miss the opportunity to do the mayor's application that the due date for that would have been Sunday.

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jim murez: Because the dnc has to approve any application that any committee wants to send in and we had a meeting yesterday, and there was only one application that was submitted, and that was from the arbor committee.

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Robin: Okay that's for the the La city beautification looking.

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jim murez: Through the mayor's now as far as the other applications, you know if your task force is recommending a project that's fine, but your committee has to take a vote.

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jim murez: On that and then submitted to the board through the agenda request system because Task Force cannot directly put any motions through.

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jim murez: They can only make a recommendation for how your committee is to operate and then your committee has to end up taking the vote.

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jim murez: On whatever the task force is recommending and if it's a budget item, it has to first go to the Finance Committee of the Budget Committee, which is to the treasure and the treasure has to then.

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jim murez: approve that the funding is available, and if it's an application you'd have to submit the application to the treasurer.

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jim murez: And then the treasure ends up having it on his committee where you'll have to appear to explain any details that may not be clear and then that, in turn, if the Budget Committee approves of the application, then has to go forward to.

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jim murez: The Board and the Board has to end up then adopting it before it can even start to get into the cycle for the city to then approve it and don't forget that we have a.

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jim murez: deadline on all of those things to be done by June, so you really only have a month to get that all done.

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jim murez: And that means really the meeting in May, which is what we can have two weeks away, to be able to get that application in so you pretty much have to get any application, you want to have for a grant through the dnc which are the only ones that are available that i'm aware of right now.

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Robin: Right.

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jim murez: you'd have to get that pretty much done today, and it would have had to have been proposed, on your agenda already or else you have to have another meeting and have it listed on your agenda and then.

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jim murez: submit that to the Budget Committee and the Budget Committee has step, you have to look at what their data is for their next meeting I believe it's next Monday.

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jim murez: But they would then have to receive it on next Monday, for it to get on to the Ad COM calendar for this month.

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jim murez: For you, to be able.

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jim murez: to receive funding mean you're pretty much almost out of time you're gonna have to.

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Robin: Get well that's why we put on the motion today that to prepare the applications for those grants.

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jim murez: Okay, so as long as you have details on your on your your agenda for what it is you plan to do.

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jim murez: You can put that budget together and fill out the application you.

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jim murez: just have to approve of the project, you can fill out the application offline.

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jim murez: As far as the actual project that had to have been described, and it looks like he did a little bit I don't know I mean, I guess, probably enough.

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jim murez: Of what you want to use the funding for, and if you approve of those things in your committee today, then you could go ahead and fill out the application if the applications incorrect it'll be fixed in the Budget Committee.

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Robin: Okay yeah so we've.

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Robin: described them.

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Robin: Also in writing in our.

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jim murez: And listing projects if you have written descriptions of what those things are there should be links to those as supplemental is supporting documents on the website.

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jim murez: So people know that this is what it is you're talking about there was just having a line there that says PNC Community improvement project funds.

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jim murez: And then, it says colonnades if you have a written description about what you plan to do and where you plan to do it the law written the link to the written description should be here as well.

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Robin: Okay, we are like it's just above actually under old business, the task force projects it's just it's described there the colony, and the other items.

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jim murez: You always have to do is you always have to announce.

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jim murez: Okay, at the end of public comment you can't just say okay well we're done with it, you have to say, public comment is close.

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Robin: Okay, so public comment is now closed Thank you and welcome to the committee discussion or sources of funding committee.

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Robin: So anybody have any comments among the committee members or.

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Robin: So, shall we go ahead and take the boat.

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Robin: start with Robin yes, I, yes, so your recruitment.

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Robin: To item six, which we had skipped so we got rid of our.

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Robin: Essential business, and now we have a visiting guests jenna snow, who is.

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Robin: historian of working on preservation projects and oh shucks i'm jenna I don't have the your introduction in front of me i'm Brian do you are or.

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Brian Silveira: be great, but was there was there a specific introduction that you wanted to give or would you just like me to.

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Robin: As has tremendous qualifications that can be very helpful to us so, but you know I think any introduction and then jenna Maybe you can also fill us in on anything that you think.

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Brian Silveira: We should know okay great well so jenna Thank you so much for coming and I i've known jenna for years.

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Brian Silveira: she's worked on some of my projects she's worked on many others, and she she has a ton of experience, of course, and also a lot of integrity, which is very important and enough business.

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Brian Silveira: So this this is meant to be a Q amp a I know it's listed on the agenda has a presentation.

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Brian Silveira: But I think jenna you know when when I asked her to come and speak it was more to answer questions.

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Brian Silveira: From the Community and not present, so I think we're just going to stick with a Q amp a format and then the last thing I want to say before I turn it over to jenna.

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Brian Silveira: So Jen is here to answer questions about how to add historic protections to public places and perhaps how to create historic districts.

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Brian Silveira: There are many things that we can discuss, but I think it's better if we steer clear of discussing how to add historic designations to third party homes or to private property.

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Brian Silveira: I I personally support anyone who wants to historically designate their own property I wish more people would do it.

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Brian Silveira: But I do not support the idea of uncovering someone else's property against their will, and so I just want to draw that distinction, because the this committee is about preserving public places.

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Brian Silveira: So much jenna and I will turn it over to you.

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Jenna Snow: Thank you so much, all of you for inviting me here, meaning to speak today.

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Jenna Snow: So i've actually been in California, in Los Angeles for 20 years now, I have an undergraduate degree in architectural history and master's degree in historic preservation from Columbia, I moved out in 2002 after 911 there was no work on the east coast after 911 and.

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Jenna Snow: things happening here in California, so I was fortunate enough to get a job right out of graduate school and moved out to California right away so i've worked on over 100 perhaps 120 historic preservation projects in the past 20 years.

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Jenna Snow: i've worked on quite a few in Venice many with Brian.

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Jenna Snow: it's very rare that in Los Angeles you do end up talking about something before 1880 which is generally regarded as 20th century I worked on one project from 1860s the Michael way adobe, which is in.

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Robin: Because we did we do have actually we have a historic designated site that see you.

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Robin: You know native what on site along Venice along Lincoln boulevard or near admiralty and I only just learned it through documents that Betsy shared and i'm kind of shocked and maybe this.

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Robin: All first when do you get either you know what calls for either local state or national designation and then it's going to be the next question is going to be, how do we enforce it once we have it, but let's yeah do one thing at a time, then I guess.

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Jenna Snow: Where can I share my screen, are you.

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Jenna Snow: Maybe I should have maybe would have been easier if I had a little PowerPoint but i'm just going to show you some links, so there are three levels of designation.

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Jenna Snow: there's the national register of historic places the California register of historical resources and local city of Los Angeles historical monuments.

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Jenna Snow: So the national register allows for designation at the local state or federal level so something can be significant and Venice doesn't have to be nationally significant to be eligible for listing and the national register and there is four criteria i've brought up a page with.

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Jenna Snow: So the four criteria which are pretty much the same across the board of the three three dozen designation programs The first one is significance for an event or a series of events or a pattern of development.

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Robin: We have these i'm cool with with what I referred to as pagodas or pergolas at ocean front walk.

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Robin: Stopping me there Okay, does it have to be a specific person because again looking at the pagodas they were built around 1931 and everybody who's been on Venice beach has you know sat under them enjoyed their shape, you know cook cook.

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Jenna Snow: It would first be heard by the state, historic resources Commission and they would then send a recommendation to the keeper of the national register in that process, it would be listed in the California register.

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Jenna Snow: So the state historic resources commission's decision is a listing of the California register, so it would be rare that you would nominate something just to the California register and not to the national register.

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Jenna Snow: It used to be, I think they've changed the rules now that for a district, if you had.

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Jenna Snow: More than 50% of owner objection.

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Jenna Snow: It would not be listened to national register, it would be a formal determination, but it could be listening to California register I think they have now changed the rules so that they are aligned.

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Jenna Snow: You need to have.

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Jenna Snow: At least 2% owner approval for districts, for both the California and the national register.

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Jenna Snow: If you are the owner of an income producing property.

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Jenna Snow: anywhere doing a substantial rehabilitation of your property, there are tax incentives for a list if you are listed in the national register, you can get a 20% tax credit for substantial rehabilitation.

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Robin: And that's true also I know that there is a.

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Robin: theater in Venice that.

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Robin: has said, they are interested in seeing if they can get the designation, in order to have tasks, tax incentives or benefits so that's also for a 501 C three right, they can also.

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Jenna Snow: Even a 501 C three, we need to work with somebody who actually pays taxes.

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Jenna Snow: fairly and you would need an attorney involved.

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Jenna Snow: Right to.

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Jenna Snow: form that whenever partnership that is.

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Robin: Because right.

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Jenna Snow: Yes, somebody has to be paying taxes and are going to take a credit.

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Robin: Okay, well, I think Okay, I mean I don't know the details, but I think the Bible would say three owns the property, but so yeah.

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Jenna Snow: We would need to go into partnership with a for profit and.

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Robin: OK OK.

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Jenna Snow: cool who who pays taxes.

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Jenna Snow: Okay, and therefore there is a COMP I don't understand all of the.

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Jenna Snow: How that that partnership goes, but essentially the nonprofit would sell the tax credits to the for profit.

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Robin: Okay, so maybe they will follow up.

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Robin: If I can get the New York Times.

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Jenna Snow: Those are agreements that I am not, I do not do.

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Okay.

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Jenna Snow: There will be at some point, a tax credit for lucien a California register.

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Jenna Snow: The legislation has passed the regulations are still there still working that out, I thought it was going to be this year it's probably not going to be at least until next year.

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Jenna Snow: If you are a lovely doesn't need it used to be eligible to apply for a mills Act, which is a reduction in your property taxes that was suspended last year, and it is unclear if the city when or if the city will Los Angeles will be bringing it back.

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Jenna Snow: So those are generally the financial incentives.

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Jenna Snow: Designation also provide some protection under the California environmental quality act so if you are designated locally in the California register or in the national register.

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Jenna Snow: you're considered a historical resource under SEPA.

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Jenna Snow: and

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Jenna Snow: Prior to demolition.

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Jenna Snow: The owner would need to prepare an environmental impact report or focus environmental impact report and study alternatives to demolition.

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Jenna Snow: It doesn't necessarily stop somebody from demolishing a historical resource it.

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Jenna Snow: includes the public and slows down the process.

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Robin: yeah so that's where we have another situation going on, where.

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Robin: There is a project, where they want to.

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Robin: Cut off the apron of our historic bridge, and it is nationally registered.

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Robin: With the bridge and the canal, and it is also a cultural historic landmark it's the original short line trolley car bridge.

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Robin: That right.

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Robin: Well, people brought everybody to the beach.

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Robin: And, including when before people of color were able to even live in Venice they had to come, every day, so actually it's Sonia has told me about her grandfather Arthur reese having taken the trolley car every day and that's where he got off was at at that bridge.

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Robin: So it's.

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Robin: In person so see yeah yeah but well, the point is it already has the historic designation, but on our dear governor went and waved sequel.

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Robin: So that the project that they're talking about doing that would chop off the apron of the bridge and squish it in between this you know huge completely out of character building development.

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Robin: has been pushed through with again without.

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Robin: Without any without sequel with you know and they seem to think, maybe that they are mitigating things by leaving part of the bridge but chopping it off, so you could no longer right over it, you wouldn't see it there's.

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Robin: So yeah that's where my question about enforcement comes in it's like horrifying to think that that kind of thing can be done to something that it's 100 year old bridge I believe it's the oldest bridge ever built in Los Angeles.

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Robin: it's got lots of stories and history of lots of people and it's just.

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Robin: And, including also apparently the the trolley cars, like the railroads were built by Chinese and Hispanic or Mexican laborers and it's got all our history in there, and the fact that it would be chopped off is really a travesty.

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Robin: So is there mean this sequel exemption that the governor gave is there any way to.

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Robin: To go back to like the national registry and say hey don't let that happen.

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Jenna Snow: Personally, not.

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Jenna Snow: It sounds like you're in the middle of a political process.

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Robin: Oh yeah oh yeah.

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Jenna Snow: So I think the the solution would be political and regulatory.

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Robin: Okay well it's in the courts, now I guess to.

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Robin: It and yeah and we hope that politician is going to be out of office soon so hopefully.

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Robin: This will not be destroyed.

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yeah.

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Robin: that's pretty frightening that a political process completely undermine you know historic integrity of something that is designated as national landmark.

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Jenna Snow: Well sequel sequel is essentially a political process as well.

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Jenna Snow: It doesn't keep anything from being demolished it only requires that the the lead agency look at alternatives to demolition and, at the end of the day, usually projects go through, even after most of them.

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Jenna Snow: The lead agency will adopt a statement of overriding consideration that the.

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proposed project.

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Jenna Snow: has more public benefit than retaining the historic resource usually that's what the what the what the decision is so.

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Jenna Snow: So, see the secret process usually just delays it doesn't prevent.

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Robin: yeah, so we need to have.

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Robin: kind of open minded forward thinking.

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Robin: Politicians who care about our cultural history and have a better view of urban planning.

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Jenna Snow: That.

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Robin: Can not destroy anybody's heritage right.

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Jenna Snow: So I also just wanted to pull up the website for the local.

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Jenna Snow: monument so you can know where to look.

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Jenna Snow: To locally doesn't eat something.

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Jenna Snow: So the other way to get protection under SEPA does if.

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Jenna Snow: it's been identified and a survey.

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Jenna Snow: And the question is how do you know if something's been identified in a survey.

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Jenna Snow: So search the city of Los Angeles has undertaken what's called survey la.

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Jenna Snow: And this is historic places Los Angeles, I went from home to map you feel and I zoomed in on Venice.

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Jenna Snow: And survey la identified a lot of properties, I understand there's a survey effort underway right now in Venice I can't seem to get any information about it but there's a new survey underway.

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Jenna Snow: Along either with a specific plan or the coastal plan i'm not entirely sure Brian probably knows a little bit more about that, but I can't get any information from the city about who's doing it, and when they're going to be done.

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Brian Silveira: it's the Community plan update.

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Jenna Snow: I mean plan update okay.

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Brian Silveira: Probably not done until 2025 ish.

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Robin: yeah so I brought up a question to the person who presented about the Community plan in the loop back meeting and she then interpreted my question that was brought about historic.

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Robin: sites as being just specifically about oakwood so.

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Robin: It sounds like a logical process where you know they.

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Robin: We I hope we can still open their minds up and educate them there are lots of parts of Venice that all need to be recognized.

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Jenna Snow: I think they're serving all about us that's what it looks like and not just awkward.

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Robin: Great great that was just the way she answered the question and it kind of like took me aback.

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Jenna Snow: Was it the person who is doing the survey or somebody else.

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Robin: it's the person who was presenting Brian you were on that zoom is there any Christina who's like that.

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Brian Silveira: Christine sapa Nora.

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Brian Silveira: yeah.

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Robin: So she's with.

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Robin: The Community plan project.

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Robin: yeah so yeah I mean I afterwards I thought oh I better follow up with her and.

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Brian Silveira: Christine is part of the local coastal program update, which is designed to work.

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Brian Silveira: With the Community plan update but they're they're separate documents and separate teams working on them.

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Brian Silveira: And in this if they are going to introduce historical protections and I haven't seen much because they've been playing all this pretty close to the vest but if they are it's going to be in the Community plan update, which would happen after the LCP okay.

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Robin: Okay.

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Jenna Snow: um the other, please, so you can look to see if something has and doesn't need it, the California office of us are preservation maintain something called a.

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Jenna Snow: And what does that mean.

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Jenna Snow: i'm going to pull.

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Jenna Snow: the built environment.

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Jenna Snow: The car so.

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Jenna Snow: the built environment resources directory, and you can find it on their web page here at the California historic resources information system.

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Jenna Snow: and

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Jenna Snow: They have a an excel spreadsheet by county and I have already downloaded I just downloaded Los Angeles, to give you an example of what it looks like so.

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Jenna Snow: not that easy to read.

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Jenna Snow: But it has every single survey that's been submitted to the state, since the beginning of time which was probably in the early 80s most a lot of surveys started in the early 80s on, and you can search by street by city through this excel spreadsheet it's not the easiest to use.

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Jenna Snow: But it is a bit more comprehensive than historic places la.

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Jenna Snow: With pretty much only surveil.

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Jenna Snow: So if it's been identified in the survey, it has presumptive significance under sequel.

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Jenna Snow: And again, if you have.

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Jenna Snow: A.

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Jenna Snow: Project so sorry I just had a brain freeze again again.

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Jenna Snow: Where you're asking for entitlements, for example, you would need to go through a secret process if you wanted to demolish a property that has for some significant undersea for so if it's been identified in a survey.

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Robin: And I don't know if this is the moment to ask, but.

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Robin: About historic districts and what what how those work what that what if does that create any kind of protections or what does it mean.

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Jenna Snow: So there are different interpretations.

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Jenna Snow: I don't believe there any each posies and Venice at the moment is that correct.

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Jenna Snow: um.

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Robin: I think we've got.

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Robin: Three or four that see.

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Brian Silveira: We have we have historic districts that were identified by survey la.

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Jenna Snow: No, we.

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Brian Silveira: don't have an HP oC which is this designation.

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Robin: Even the canals is not.

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Jenna Snow: The canals I believe our listener national register yeah.

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Robin: And that's not.

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Robin: that's not an htc.

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Jenna Snow: That is not an HPV and it feels he is a local historic district, and like Brian said it changes.

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Jenna Snow: It is only an overlay historic preservation overlays own.

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Jenna Snow: But there have been several that i've been identified and survey, like some of the box three areas, for example.

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Jenna Snow: Or the last canals district, for example, so there are different opinions.

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Jenna Snow: That, if you demolish one building in a large district you're not going to lose the district that's one opinion another opinion is, and I believe this city is taking this one.

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Jenna Snow: demolition of one house and identify and start district would be.

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Jenna Snow: An impact to the entire district.

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Jenna Snow: Again, if you are just building something by right it's not going to come up undersea blah.

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Jenna Snow: house and you're going to just conform to all the building codes and the zoning regulations it's not going to trigger SEPA.

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Brian Silveira: Nothing is by writing better speakers in addition triggers a coastal development permit.

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Okay.

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Jenna Snow: Well, there you go.

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Brian Silveira: But.

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Jenna Snow: But that's not necessarily that doesn't this is that sequel or is that separate isn't it.

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Brian Silveira: No, it would any any demolition benefits.

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Jenna Snow: Even.

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Brian Silveira: Your family home yeah whichever discretionary action and in secret.

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Jenna Snow: Okay.

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Robin: So, and even though we're not talking about single family homes, well, I live in a historic House asked about with regard to mind.

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Robin: So somebody could demolish mine.

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Robin: i'm.

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Robin: Even though it's in the historic district if I don't get the.

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Robin: Historic designation, for it is that correct.

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Jenna Snow: Not necessarily I think it depends, so this is where there's a lot of Gray area.

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yeah.

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Jenna Snow: As i'm sure you've seen and there's not necessarily I don't I have not seen there necessarily being consistency.

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Jenna Snow: So they should not be able to simply demolish it because it isn't an area that was identified and survey.

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Jenna Snow: The best way to get protection, though, for any of these areas that were identified in survey would be to establish HP ozzy's.

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Robin: range and maybe we're too late for that, no, no.

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Jenna Snow: I don't think so.

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Brian Silveira: If I think it depends on what the city is doing with the Community plan update, but of course that won't go into effect for several years.

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Brian Silveira: But I think.

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Brian Silveira: You know i'm Jen as the expert i'm not just speaking, based on my own experience.

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Brian Silveira: Venice Venice has more built in protections than most communities out an HP or Z because everything in Venice is discretionary and therefore trigger sequence.

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Brian Silveira: So it's not the ultimate protection of having you know landmark status or an HBO Z.

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Brian Silveira: But it's something and.

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Brian Silveira: You know I think they were now sort of.

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Brian Silveira: getting into the conversation of.

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Brian Silveira: You know, individual private properties and I was hoping, not to go there, I understand that that's valuable information for a lot of people.

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Brian Silveira: But I do think that's probably a conversation for another time, we should try to steer back toward public places, if we can.

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Jenna Snow: If I can say one more thing, like, for example, the walk streets and.

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Jenna Snow: I think it would be valuable for you to look at the walk streets themselves because the streets and the walkways.

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Jenna Snow: The fact that you walk to your House there's no cars that create a really special environment.

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Jenna Snow: And I don't I would encourage you to look at ways to protect the walkways rather than the individual to get away from the houses, rather than individual houses, I think there's.

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ways.

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Jenna Snow: To protect the street itself.

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Robin: The watch yeah yeah, and I mean it's like.

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Robin: la so crazy genesis so crazy man we've had those battles through the years you know there's their rules regarding the heights of fences and, unfortunately.

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Robin: People have built such high fences that some of the wall street's have become like they feel like alleyways and they're no longer the wonderful you know walk streets hey that's a you got your hand up do you want to speak.

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betsygoldman: Yes, I do I can't remember the exact date, but I think it was probably in the early 1990s that sandy lifer.

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betsygoldman: Who is an artist and she and her has been own a property on sunset did a fabulous walk street report there was concerned at the time that they fire department wanted to widen the sidewalks and.

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betsygoldman: She did a great job.

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betsygoldman: Who fighting against this improving why the fire department should use the the alleys but, in any case, I do have a copy of that report, so there.

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Robin: That sounds great.

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betsygoldman: There hasn't been a lot of interest in preserving the walk streets that's it yeah.

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Robin: But then there's also been this you know i've just been to many b&c meetings, it was you know more years back, where people like wanted to build.

572
01:05:56.130 --> 01:06:06.660
Robin: High fences and they're still doing it, you know, even though there are laws as to how high they can be and to me it's also completely counter.

573
01:06:07.200 --> 01:06:21.810
Robin: intuitive where it's like wrong, for they think that by having a tall fence they'll have more security for their property, but in fact it's proven that if you don't have tall fences then your neighbor see there's anything going wrong.

574
01:06:22.980 --> 01:06:44.220
Robin: But yeah it's this whole privacy issue to that comes up and, but I think you're it's it's a really good point to try to protect the walkways and I wonder, do you think the walkways or something that could be viewed as being when something historic.

575
01:06:45.660 --> 01:07:01.620
Jenna Snow: Yes, and yeah and even even when the people, whatever people do with their walls or their hedges or their landscaping the streets and, though I believe there's light fixtures along them as well Am I correct.

576
01:07:04.230 --> 01:07:06.420
Robin: As I don't know some way.

577
01:07:06.420 --> 01:07:08.850
Jenna Snow: Somehow somehow the light fixtures.

578
01:07:10.800 --> 01:07:23.220
Jenna Snow: And how the walkways our landscape, I think that itself is is significant i'm just thinking also like the farmers market, for example at third street.

579
01:07:24.930 --> 01:07:29.160
Jenna Snow: what's designated are not the stalls but the walkways between the stalls.

580
01:07:30.540 --> 01:07:31.380
Jenna Snow: that's what the.

581
01:07:31.410 --> 01:07:32.670
Jenna Snow: historic, cultural monument is.

582
01:07:34.140 --> 01:07:36.510
Robin: Third, street in Santa Monica fruits very prominent in the.

583
01:07:36.690 --> 01:07:38.850
Jenna Snow: street and Los Angeles.

584
01:07:40.350 --> 01:07:41.190
Jenna Snow: At fairfax.

585
01:07:42.060 --> 01:07:42.330
Oh.

586
01:07:43.680 --> 01:07:44.760
Robin: original farmers market.

587
01:07:44.760 --> 01:07:45.090
yeah.

588
01:07:46.320 --> 01:07:54.660
Jenna Snow: So walkways and not the stalls that are designated and I think you can do some something similar and interesting.

589
01:07:55.380 --> 01:07:56.850
Robin: yeah that's really interesting.

590
01:07:58.170 --> 01:07:58.890
And I saw that.

591
01:08:00.210 --> 01:08:07.050
Various districts PDF from the early planning that there are hundreds of.

592
01:08:08.490 --> 01:08:11.370
courtyards alleyways.

593
01:08:15.300 --> 01:08:15.780
To the.

594
01:08:17.220 --> 01:08:19.020
Robin: district's yeah.

595
01:08:20.220 --> 01:08:27.180
Robin: yeah So those are okay, but then that's different than the Wall Street specific yeah, but this is all walks you, through your turn.

596
01:08:30.930 --> 01:08:34.140
Robin: yeah yeah they have a lot of character in history in Venice.

597
01:08:35.460 --> 01:08:36.060
Robin: cool.

598
01:08:37.590 --> 01:08:45.240
Robin: um so maybe we're at we still have time do we have a few more minutes with you, where are we on timing, you know.

599
01:08:45.510 --> 01:08:46.290
Jenna Snow: Do you have any questions.

600
01:08:47.670 --> 01:08:51.870
Robin: Well i'm still wondering about enforcement so it's kind of like it sounds to me like.

601
01:08:52.890 --> 01:09:02.820
Robin: Any of these designations create a presumption, and sometimes it also requires a sequel evaluation, but then the end result is that.

602
01:09:04.110 --> 01:09:08.700
Robin: what there is to be some sort of um.

603
01:09:09.870 --> 01:09:13.470
Robin: Hopefully, a discussion that you know as a mediation.

604
01:09:15.990 --> 01:09:24.600
Robin: I think I mentioned to you, we have an example of where the historic colonnade the columns along Windward were.

605
01:09:25.740 --> 01:09:31.170
Robin: They are historic they were designated that way and nonetheless.

606
01:09:32.340 --> 01:09:36.060
Robin: Robert Graham and Angelica Houston when they went to build their big box.

607
01:09:37.440 --> 01:09:46.770
Robin: They tore him down, and it was within the whatever hundred and 80 day period that they're to wait before doing so.

608
01:09:49.290 --> 01:09:49.890
know any.

609
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:55.080
Jenna Snow: specifics of that particular situation.

610
01:09:56.550 --> 01:10:01.860
Robin: um yeah that CD well, so I mean what happens if somebody goes and.

611
01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:07.470
Robin: Well, I know that recently somebody tried to set fire to.

612
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:12.270
Robin: Well, what has been found to be the Monday women's club.

613
01:10:12.420 --> 01:10:20.100
Robin: that it was a church and I realized, it was a craftsman and I painted it to be a craftsman when it was a church and they were thrilled.

614
01:10:20.460 --> 01:10:32.490
Robin: I built the labyrinth there and then other neighbors have gotten historic designation status for it and Sure enough, as a new buyer was trying to buy it mysteriously sonya.

615
01:10:33.330 --> 01:10:45.690
Robin: will suddenly grandfather's property is right there, and she her tenants saw somebody trying to set fire to it and they put out the fire before the structure was.

616
01:10:46.770 --> 01:10:51.990
Robin: terribly badly destroyed but you know, so if things are destroyed.

617
01:10:54.270 --> 01:10:57.930
Robin: Is there any ramification is there any recourse against.

618
01:10:58.200 --> 01:10:58.680
Jenna Snow: What like.

619
01:10:59.040 --> 01:11:02.040
Robin: are known to be done by property owner purposefully.

620
01:11:02.850 --> 01:11:04.140
Jenna Snow: arson, is a crime.

621
01:11:04.830 --> 01:11:05.280
Right.

622
01:11:06.690 --> 01:11:07.260
Jenna Snow: All right.

623
01:11:07.470 --> 01:11:10.200
Robin: But let's say the removal of the colonnade.

624
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:16.140
Robin: He just took them out and then he wasn't required to put him back.

625
01:11:17.370 --> 01:11:27.240
Jenna Snow: I don't know anything about this about the colonnade situation, I can say that I heard about other instances where.

626
01:11:27.870 --> 01:11:39.450
Jenna Snow: A property owner burned down their historic building and and they were not allowed to build and there, there was a huge fine there might have been jail time and they weren't allowed to build for.

627
01:11:41.190 --> 01:11:45.270
Jenna Snow: Many years I don't remember exactly how many, but that.

628
01:11:46.890 --> 01:11:53.160
Jenna Snow: Certainly, I would say that arson is not I would not recommend that, as a way to get rid of a historic building.

629
01:11:54.180 --> 01:11:55.740
Jenna Snow: There are certainly consequences.

630
01:11:58.050 --> 01:11:58.410
Robin: Right.

631
01:11:59.820 --> 01:12:00.420
Robin: um.

632
01:12:03.630 --> 01:12:06.570
Robin: Yes, and you just said, you repeat that sorry I didn't have you on speaker.

633
01:12:07.710 --> 01:12:09.390
Robin: are not enforced.

634
01:12:11.580 --> 01:12:13.350
Robin: there's no consequences.

635
01:12:16.050 --> 01:12:17.370
Robin: that's what we're seeing yeah.

636
01:12:18.030 --> 01:12:18.900
Robin: And that's well.

637
01:12:21.150 --> 01:12:24.450
Robin: And it does seem to be very politically motivated.

638
01:12:26.130 --> 01:12:34.230
Robin: You know, whatever is being protected or or not seems to be just the whim of whomever is our city council person.

639
01:12:36.270 --> 01:12:43.050
Robin: So we all need to vote in the upcoming election get somebody who cares about our Community.

640
01:12:46.950 --> 01:13:04.830
Brian Silveira: So Robin do we want to talk to jenna about it, we have projects on the agenda that we're looking at and future projects as well do we want to see if jenna might be helpful in getting us historic status for some of those.

641
01:13:05.850 --> 01:13:06.480
Brian Silveira: production.

642
01:13:08.100 --> 01:13:09.330
Robin: yeah sure.

643
01:13:10.710 --> 01:13:18.900
Robin: um yeah that would be awesome we talked about a few of them, but yes, if we can come back to you jenna pump for help on things.

644
01:13:19.350 --> 01:13:20.340
Robin: As we talked about.

645
01:13:20.460 --> 01:13:21.750
Robin: The pagodas.

646
01:13:21.870 --> 01:13:22.170
Jenna Snow: uh huh.

647
01:13:22.260 --> 01:13:28.260
Robin: that's something that we've been looking into we had an interesting situation their.

648
01:13:29.370 --> 01:13:38.400
Robin: neighbor um stated that they were designed by a renowned architect, and we can't find any evidence of that.

649
01:13:38.490 --> 01:13:39.270
Jenna Snow: I think she.

650
01:13:40.350 --> 01:13:52.740
Robin: But despite that, without them being designed by famous architect, as you said, we would qualify on was an agency as them having significant events and being architecturally.

651
01:13:53.760 --> 01:13:58.860
Robin: You know beautiful designs, whether or not they're designed by a known architect.

652
01:14:01.950 --> 01:14:03.120
Jenna Snow: generally.

653
01:14:05.850 --> 01:14:16.680
Jenna Snow: Certain nation in California, it gives you protection under sequence but generally listen in the national register and less into income producing property.

654
01:14:18.390 --> 01:14:22.680
Jenna Snow: Is isn't is honorary it's like.

655
01:14:24.120 --> 01:14:33.360
Jenna Snow: It doesn't give you very much in terms, you can just say well it's listen to national register, so I would ask what are your goals and.

656
01:14:35.310 --> 01:14:42.810
Jenna Snow: I would just suggest that you clarify what your goals are and having them designated do you want to protect them, do you want to.

657
01:14:43.830 --> 01:14:45.690
Jenna Snow: highlight them to the Community.

658
01:14:47.250 --> 01:14:47.730
Jenna Snow: and

659
01:14:49.260 --> 01:14:55.830
Jenna Snow: Are there is there going to be other if that's The case is there going to be other storytelling around it to interpret them.

660
01:14:56.970 --> 01:15:02.970
Robin: yeah so one of our projects also is to do mapping and like way finding.

661
01:15:04.290 --> 01:15:18.630
Robin: and actually i'll just throw out a question it's not specific but maybe you know somebody we would love to have like an APP created so like people could do their own walking tour of historic places in Venice, have you do you know anybody who might.

662
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:21.480
Robin: have done that a.

663
01:15:22.500 --> 01:15:23.010
Jenna Snow: lot.

664
01:15:25.500 --> 01:15:26.130
Robin: yeah.

665
01:15:27.330 --> 01:15:28.170
Robin: Well we've.

666
01:15:28.260 --> 01:15:31.170
Robin: gotten a few ideas on how we might be able to go about it.

667
01:15:31.530 --> 01:15:40.470
Robin: But one was Jeffrey stanton said he thought somebody had done it up in San Francisco and so maybe there's a way we can license whatever they have created.

668
01:15:42.030 --> 01:15:52.350
Robin: And then another was actually my brother suggested, maybe there's a way with Google maps, we can create our own sub map so yeah so if there's a tech person who.

669
01:15:53.520 --> 01:15:54.240
Robin: We can.

670
01:15:56.430 --> 01:16:00.360
Robin: bring into work on that kind of thing, I think that would be really cool and.

671
01:16:01.050 --> 01:16:01.560
Robin: And so.

672
01:16:01.650 --> 01:16:06.420
Robin: yeah and then we've talked about you know, creating markers or some sort of.

673
01:16:07.470 --> 01:16:13.230
Robin: You know, of course I think in terms of interactive things that will really draw people's attention to.

674
01:16:14.460 --> 01:16:23.100
Robin: The interesting stories that we have so that two would be you know, a way to bring our historic sites to life.

675
01:16:23.550 --> 01:16:25.320
Jenna Snow: uh huh yeah.

676
01:16:28.230 --> 01:16:33.510
Robin: So, are you able to screen share yeah you know oh good I see.

677
01:16:34.710 --> 01:16:40.350
Robin: My screen well what i'm seeing is not our document i'm seeing the zoom.

678
01:16:42.390 --> 01:16:45.120
Robin: Your email experiences share.

679
01:16:46.440 --> 01:16:51.930
Robin: Your screen sharing or stop share media oh so Jen are you still on screen share maybe.

680
01:17:04.140 --> 01:17:07.920
Robin: Some other projects, Brian did you have any in mind to that you're thinking of.

681
01:17:09.150 --> 01:17:17.940
Robin: So the colonnade is already historically designated we're just wanting to actually restore it um.

682
01:17:21.810 --> 01:17:23.190
Robin: I don't know.

683
01:17:27.780 --> 01:17:36.030
Robin: The canals themselves years back, I did what I was calling a historic overlay.

684
01:17:37.440 --> 01:17:48.780
Robin: And the ideas somehow to indicate that the canals that once were we had a huge system of canals, it was fabulous and it's like shocking that people.

685
01:17:49.200 --> 01:18:05.010
Robin: don't know and when they do I think they take great pride in the Community so yeah we've got different ideas of either restoring the canals, or maybe parson parts of them or making them green ways or or, at least, giving them some sort of markers that would be.

686
01:18:06.270 --> 01:18:10.830
Robin: You know cool and interesting um no I see it now.

687
01:18:15.840 --> 01:18:28.980
Robin: And then um yeah so that I just talked about, and the planning we've talked about that well jenna if you have any specific ideas for us of how we might try to.

688
01:18:30.240 --> 01:18:31.260
Robin: incorporate.

689
01:18:32.640 --> 01:18:37.590
Robin: You know, historic landmarks into the Community plan that would be awesome in.

690
01:18:39.240 --> 01:18:41.370
Robin: We talked about that a little bit.

691
01:18:42.450 --> 01:18:55.560
Robin: With regard to you know that they are now doing some sort of hidden survey, if you have any suggestions of how we could get in touch with them to try to have their survey be maybe more comprehensive.

692
01:18:59.190 --> 01:19:03.030
Robin: Do we have her still are you able to talk to them.

693
01:19:08.580 --> 01:19:09.000
Robin: here.

694
01:19:13.350 --> 01:19:15.150
Robin: Okay sorry Jen are you able to.

695
01:19:15.810 --> 01:19:16.620
Jenna Snow: Now I can pop.

696
01:19:17.070 --> 01:19:17.550
Okay.

697
01:19:20.220 --> 01:19:29.250
Jenna Snow: um well I wish it were so secretive I don't I don't know any more information about it, but one of my thoughts for you.

698
01:19:31.710 --> 01:19:34.050
Jenna Snow: I guess venice's earliest history.

699
01:19:35.460 --> 01:19:36.600
Jenna Snow: It was a place to go have.

700
01:19:36.600 --> 01:19:37.050
fun.

701
01:19:38.400 --> 01:19:39.060
Jenna Snow: And how.

702
01:19:39.120 --> 01:19:40.230
Brian Silveira: Can you incorporate some.

703
01:19:40.230 --> 01:19:47.040
Jenna Snow: Of those fun things I I wish I could go back in time to to have the kind of fun that was in Venice.

704
01:19:48.180 --> 01:19:52.770
Jenna Snow: And how can you how can you highlight some of that fun.

705
01:19:55.050 --> 01:19:56.490
Jenna Snow: My other thought is.

706
01:19:57.420 --> 01:19:58.590
Robin: If we move on, I.

707
01:19:58.590 --> 01:19:58.920
Robin: want to.

708
01:19:59.280 --> 01:20:13.920
Robin: Slightly modify that because the earliest history, we know, is the Tongue over here, and it was their their home, and it was a beautiful wetlands yeah I think that that to, though, is you know the nature and the people who lived with it.

709
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:17.160
Robin: Are are totally our.

710
01:20:18.240 --> 01:20:24.090
Robin: You know our history and then and then yeah it was Venice of America was coney island in the Pacific.

711
01:20:24.600 --> 01:20:33.750
Robin: And yeah it's shocking how people don't know that, so I agree with you and that's where i've tried to make the fun interactive sculptures that bring out the character and.

712
01:20:34.560 --> 01:20:41.550
Robin: that's not exactly what this committee is about, but maybe we can do more, so yeah real curious about your ideas on that, though.

713
01:20:42.000 --> 01:20:49.290
Jenna Snow: I mean I just I recently saw a picture of miniature railway about when down Abbot kinney boulevard.

714
01:20:50.700 --> 01:20:52.140
Jenna Snow: How much fun would that be.

715
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:53.910
Jenna Snow: yeah well.

716
01:20:54.300 --> 01:20:55.500
Robin: that's my drawings.

717
01:20:58.800 --> 01:21:01.290
Robin: yeah it wouldn't it be great to have that again.

718
01:21:05.220 --> 01:21:23.280
Jenna Snow: So the other thing I was thinking you know the earliest history, the tanga and then around 19 1900s beginning of the 20th century was the Venice of America, but you also have like the 1950s and the 1960s, the beat generation and the hippies.

719
01:21:24.420 --> 01:21:32.310
Jenna Snow: And then there was also a huge shift in the 90s and that's already 30 years ago that's already in our past.

720
01:21:34.020 --> 01:21:34.800
Jenna Snow: and

721
01:21:37.020 --> 01:21:39.900
Jenna Snow: I think, looking at that history is also important.

722
01:21:40.500 --> 01:21:41.010
Robin: mm hmm.

723
01:21:43.380 --> 01:21:44.850
Robin: yeah well that's where actually.

724
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:54.900
Robin: With our walking tour, we also suggested to include I know Jeff Hoffman had put together yeah contemporary houses, because there have been some fabulous.

725
01:21:55.410 --> 01:22:12.660
Robin: architects doing contemporary homes in Venice yeah That too would be you know, one of the walking tours you could take so yeah We just need to figure out how to create that APP or you know I mean we can make the maps so that's a star.

726
01:22:13.080 --> 01:22:19.020
Jenna Snow: Also, thinking about the the changing communities and the different communities that have been coming into Venice.

727
01:22:20.310 --> 01:22:21.630
Jenna Snow: Over time, because.

728
01:22:22.680 --> 01:22:25.320
Jenna Snow: A lot of people who have moved in since the 90s.

729
01:22:26.850 --> 01:22:31.110
Jenna Snow: That we're not necessarily the people who are living in Venice previously.

730
01:22:33.420 --> 01:22:41.100
Robin: Right yeah that whole silicon beach business jackie's and well in many would say the gentrifiers.

731
01:22:42.300 --> 01:22:47.220
Robin: So yeah we've got a lot of layers of history and yeah.

732
01:22:48.900 --> 01:22:51.090
Robin: yeah these are great suggestions.

733
01:22:53.310 --> 01:22:59.880
Robin: yeah so Brian or Betsy or Sonia do any of you have any more.

734
01:23:01.170 --> 01:23:09.300
Robin: Questions well we've got jenna on the line here, or if anyone from the audience does raise your hand and.

735
01:23:10.500 --> 01:23:12.060
Robin: We can call on you.

736
01:23:14.100 --> 01:23:19.770
Robin: And also mentioned, so you know the meetings recorded so we'll all be able to go back and.

737
01:23:21.480 --> 01:23:25.080
Robin: review the information you've given us, which is fabulous Thank you.

738
01:23:27.060 --> 01:23:28.260
betsygoldman: just have a comment.

739
01:23:28.770 --> 01:23:30.420
betsygoldman: yeah and.

740
01:23:31.650 --> 01:23:51.420
betsygoldman: And that is, I think that the word historic has been misused just because something is old and has character does not necessarily make it a stork i'd like to see the word vintage use instead and jenna What is your opinion on that.

741
01:23:55.950 --> 01:23:58.620
Jenna Snow: My so you are absolutely correct.

742
01:23:59.700 --> 01:24:03.270
Jenna Snow: Not everything old is significant.

743
01:24:05.280 --> 01:24:06.210
Jenna Snow: and

744
01:24:07.740 --> 01:24:13.950
Jenna Snow: But there are certainly a lot of things that are old and significant you cannot you certainly can have both.

745
01:24:15.180 --> 01:24:22.440
Jenna Snow: And it sounds like the goal of this committee is to highlight those things that are both old and significant.

746
01:24:24.630 --> 01:24:26.730
Jenna Snow: Not just things that are merely merely old.

747
01:24:29.430 --> 01:24:30.240
Robin: So yeah it's.

748
01:24:30.300 --> 01:24:41.160
Robin: it's tricky because then also I mean the designation also includes things that have cultural significance and sometimes like when we're talking about buildings, there are buildings that you know.

749
01:24:42.210 --> 01:24:43.140
Robin: Are ugly.

750
01:24:44.670 --> 01:24:50.880
Robin: You know that were built in the 70s, that have really no redeeming qualities but I guess they have cultural significance so.

751
01:24:51.030 --> 01:24:53.310
betsygoldman: And that would make them historic in a way.

752
01:24:55.500 --> 01:25:02.610
Jenna Snow: Well, certainly weren't and I, you know I don't think that the Monday women's club, is the most beautiful building, but it certainly.

753
01:25:04.320 --> 01:25:07.770
Jenna Snow: I would say, historically and culturally very significant.

754
01:25:09.090 --> 01:25:15.390
Robin: Where the Monday women's club actually at least was a craftsman cottage so that yeah so at least it does in it.

755
01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:24.240
Robin: But you're right, you know it's and I think that's the challenge also of whomever is buying that property of how they can then.

756
01:25:27.510 --> 01:25:29.670
Robin: You know, comply with historic.

757
01:25:31.140 --> 01:25:35.100
Robin: designation and still be able to use it.

758
01:25:37.350 --> 01:25:47.190
Robin: Brian had invited me to do a sculpture over there one time, which I think could be a fabulous way to do it, but um we'll see we'll see what you know the Community members.

759
01:25:48.240 --> 01:25:51.060
Robin: are also you know, raising question when.

760
01:25:53.010 --> 01:26:03.660
Robin: Do you know of anybody here's another question, who knows, Sonia your grandfather built the original.

761
01:26:04.470 --> 01:26:22.740
Robin: Well, the two original churches that had been where the first Baptist now is, and the second one, let me turn up the volume, do you want to tell about the second one where you've heard that it currently is or maybe maybe jenna could help us fine.

762
01:26:27.960 --> 01:26:29.040
Robin: recognizable.

763
01:26:30.060 --> 01:26:30.660
Robin: story.

764
01:26:32.040 --> 01:26:32.760
Robin: I grew up in.

765
01:26:36.210 --> 01:26:41.580
Robin: The architect is Paul Williams and the architect was my grandfather.

766
01:26:42.660 --> 01:26:44.400
Robin: Was the director of.

767
01:26:45.720 --> 01:26:48.840
Robin: was the head of the building committee and higher calling and.

768
01:26:50.460 --> 01:26:55.920
Robin: Also, I want to make a comment, this is a little off because it's private but.

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Robin: That takes him to make market research house historical was submitted to bond and bond want to do pretty well and have cultural significance historic has four different categories and his house is not only architectural may have been can but culturally.

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Robin: So.

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Robin: I don't think it's born naked historical.

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Robin: and

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Robin: that's a common I had on the heritage thing.

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01:27:34.530 --> 01:27:37.050
Robin: yeah so now that okay that brings up the whole question of.

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Robin: So we have a city council person right now, who doesn't necessarily have an understanding of these things he's going to be out of office, soon, but.

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01:27:46.350 --> 01:27:52.560
Robin: applying for this, how much does our city council person have control over the designation, I mean.

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01:27:53.430 --> 01:28:09.450
Robin: That application, what are you supposed to be getting his sign off I guess we've all seen signed off on the first Baptist church of benefit, it was a historical because he signed off on it, so I don't understand entire process of.

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Robin: This meeting but.

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Robin: i'm.

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Robin: grandfather's house otherwise would be on its way.

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Robin: yeah and the process.

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Robin: Now yeah well.

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Robin: What i've seen is a tremendous amount of power.

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Jenna Snow: So can talk a little bit about the process of the local nomination it gets submitted to the office of historic resources so review it and determine whether or not it's complete.

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Jenna Snow: Once it's completed those schedule a hearing whether a cultural heritage Commission the cultural heritage Commission will decide whether or not to take it under consideration.

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Jenna Snow: Then they go and visit the property and then there's a third meeting essentially where they make a recommendation to city council.

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Jenna Snow: City Council does not have to take their recommendation they usually do, but they don't have to So the question is for local destination, how much say, does the Council person have they have a tremendous amount of say.

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Jenna Snow: If you want to get past a the local political process, I would recommend that you a new would like to have it be designated I would recommend that you.

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Jenna Snow: apply for either that California register or the national register there's still some political process but it's not the same local political process.

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Robin: For California.

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Jenna Snow: makeover for his register.

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Robin: Okay, that makes great sense yeah I mean he you know, he was initially, for the first few years opposed to historic designation for first Baptist and then, when he saw the political.

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Robin: waves going a different direction, he flipped flopped so but he's going to be out of office December one and again we all need to vote carefully, for you know somebody who.

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Robin: genuinely understands and cares about our Community that's a great suggestion, then genet that son, you could make the application to the State and history in national.

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Jenna Snow: No one ratio.

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Jenna Snow: So the national register like I said, they will not designate over owner objection, but they will make a formal determination of eligibility, which is the same thing under sequel.

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Robin: In Sunday as the owner so.

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Jenna Snow: There you go.

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Robin: yeah she's trying to get the designation for the House that yeah it was her grandfather's House, who was the first homeowner in Venice first black homeowner and Venice her grandfather is our like legendary black forefather of Venice and awesome Christian created.

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Robin: yeah rock the party and won awards for flow.

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Robin: was a confidant.

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Robin: As well yeah yeah.

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Robin: yeah he did fabulous things in creating a creative community.

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Robin: and

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Robin: So that's a great suggestion, thank you.

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Robin: Okay, so I think we are at like 1130 or beyond so we probably.

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Robin: get to your therapy.

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Robin: wow.

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Robin: um Okay, so I think.

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Robin: called the meeting.

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Robin: Thank you so much, everyone for participating.

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betsygoldman: Thank you.

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Robin: Thank you.

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Brian Silveira: Thank you so much bye everyone.

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Robin: Thank you jenna That was really fabulous.

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Robin: yeah yeah.

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Robin: bye bye everyone.