WEBVTT 1 00:00:34.140 --> 00:00:34.800 Jonathan Deer: Hello. 2 00:00:38.580 --> 00:00:39.120 Jonathan Deer: How are you. 3 00:00:55.110 --> 00:00:55.890 Selena Inouye: hi. 4 00:00:56.100 --> 00:00:58.080 Jonathan Deer: hello, how are you doing. 5 00:00:58.620 --> 00:00:59.550 Selena Inouye: Okay, how are you. 6 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:02.190 Jonathan Deer: I am good busy. 7 00:01:03.570 --> 00:01:04.140 Jonathan Deer: Good. 8 00:01:05.100 --> 00:01:05.790 Jonathan Deer: How are you doing. 9 00:01:07.080 --> 00:01:10.410 Selena Inouye: A same on the busy and same on the good. 10 00:01:49.980 --> 00:01:50.520 Alyson Wilson: guys. 11 00:01:51.030 --> 00:01:52.920 Alyson Wilson: hey how's it going. 12 00:01:53.190 --> 00:01:53.970 Jonathan Deer: Good how are you. 13 00:01:54.060 --> 00:01:55.410 Alyson Wilson: Good fantastic. 14 00:01:58.740 --> 00:01:59.370 Jonathan Deer: Jim here. 15 00:02:01.230 --> 00:02:01.560 Jonathan Deer: hey. 16 00:02:07.980 --> 00:02:09.120 Jonathan Deer: No problem I got it. 17 00:02:10.350 --> 00:02:10.710 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 18 00:02:12.870 --> 00:02:15.330 Jonathan Deer: yeah he's up I just got him so okay great. 19 00:02:18.810 --> 00:02:19.140 james murez: alright. 20 00:02:19.560 --> 00:02:21.810 Jonathan Deer: Jim had to jump off so we're it. 21 00:02:23.040 --> 00:02:26.070 Jonathan Deer: We have to fumble through this technology ourselves. 22 00:02:26.460 --> 00:02:27.030 Alyson Wilson: Okay guys. 23 00:02:29.850 --> 00:02:33.390 robertthibodeau: um we have participants. 24 00:02:34.830 --> 00:02:36.840 Jonathan Deer: We have four of us so far. 25 00:02:40.050 --> 00:02:42.870 robertthibodeau: I know Liz is not going to make it she's not feeling well. 26 00:02:43.740 --> 00:02:53.760 robertthibodeau: Okay, age, maybe john allison Robert selena so that's the two we're going to have, and then we got Jim right. 27 00:02:54.120 --> 00:02:57.330 Jonathan Deer: yeah okay it's a, it is a quorum. 28 00:02:58.020 --> 00:03:03.810 robertthibodeau: And then we seem to have 12345. 29 00:03:05.550 --> 00:03:06.780 robertthibodeau: People in the audience. 30 00:03:06.900 --> 00:03:07.350 Okay. 31 00:03:16.380 --> 00:03:19.560 robertthibodeau: We shall bring up. 32 00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:22.950 whoops. 33 00:03:31.260 --> 00:03:32.610 robertthibodeau: Share screen. 34 00:03:34.140 --> 00:03:37.500 robertthibodeau: host disabled participants screen sharing. 35 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:40.440 Jonathan Deer: i'll, let me say he made me how so I gotta figure out how. 36 00:03:40.440 --> 00:03:41.310 robertthibodeau: To you put that. 37 00:03:41.370 --> 00:03:43.560 robertthibodeau: You can put the agenda for you can make me host. 38 00:03:44.130 --> 00:03:46.260 Jonathan Deer: let's see if you're out of make you host. 39 00:03:48.690 --> 00:03:50.310 Jonathan Deer: Make host there you go. 40 00:03:53.010 --> 00:03:54.630 Jonathan Deer: you're the host. 41 00:03:55.920 --> 00:03:57.510 screen share. 42 00:04:01.020 --> 00:04:02.520 robertthibodeau: preview agenda. 43 00:04:06.210 --> 00:04:07.080 share. 44 00:04:13.590 --> 00:04:23.610 robertthibodeau: September 16 not gonna have somebody go blah blah blah blah blah, it is now 705 meeting is starting. 45 00:04:25.050 --> 00:04:26.250 robertthibodeau: and 46 00:04:29.250 --> 00:04:31.410 robertthibodeau: We will do the role. 47 00:04:33.750 --> 00:04:35.160 robertthibodeau: Of john deere. 48 00:04:35.670 --> 00:04:36.060 there. 49 00:04:38.280 --> 00:04:39.300 robertthibodeau: allison Wilson. 50 00:04:39.660 --> 00:04:41.490 robertthibodeau: yeah selena. 51 00:04:42.690 --> 00:04:44.640 robertthibodeau: selena is it a new way. 52 00:04:45.780 --> 00:04:47.070 Selena Inouye: it's ino way. 53 00:04:47.730 --> 00:04:48.540 robertthibodeau: In no way. 54 00:04:49.800 --> 00:04:50.940 robertthibodeau: Did I say it better, the second. 55 00:04:50.970 --> 00:04:51.630 Time way. 56 00:04:52.980 --> 00:04:56.160 robertthibodeau: I actually was thinking that and I thought i'm not going to be a wise guy said that. 57 00:04:57.570 --> 00:05:03.210 robertthibodeau: No way Okay, and then Liz isn't going to make it Jim is here and Robert is here. 58 00:05:05.820 --> 00:05:06.690 robertthibodeau: and 59 00:05:10.110 --> 00:05:15.090 robertthibodeau: Meeting the adoptive minutes from prior meetings do we need to. 60 00:05:16.650 --> 00:05:18.600 robertthibodeau: make a motion to that, so we do that. 61 00:05:19.860 --> 00:05:20.340 Jonathan Deer: Both. 62 00:05:21.870 --> 00:05:22.590 Alyson Wilson: Second. 63 00:05:24.300 --> 00:05:27.030 robertthibodeau: But allison on the second john on the motion. 64 00:05:29.010 --> 00:05:30.540 robertthibodeau: Do we do a roll call. 65 00:05:32.820 --> 00:05:33.480 robertthibodeau: john. 66 00:05:34.500 --> 00:05:35.070 Jonathan Deer: Yes. 67 00:05:35.580 --> 00:05:37.020 Alyson Wilson: allison yes. 68 00:05:38.190 --> 00:05:40.050 robertthibodeau: selena yes. 69 00:05:41.040 --> 00:05:42.600 and myself is yes. 70 00:05:44.340 --> 00:05:48.540 robertthibodeau: So we have approve the Minutes from last meeting. 71 00:05:51.630 --> 00:05:52.770 robertthibodeau: And then we have public. 72 00:05:52.770 --> 00:05:58.080 robertthibodeau: comment non agenda items related to parking transportation committee only. 73 00:05:59.520 --> 00:06:05.460 robertthibodeau: So now we're going to look at our participants and see if we have any partner transfer groups. 74 00:06:06.510 --> 00:06:07.260 That way. 75 00:06:08.940 --> 00:06:09.600 it's. 76 00:06:12.090 --> 00:06:12.930 robertthibodeau: More. 77 00:06:14.700 --> 00:06:18.450 it's not what we want to do attendees and someone. 78 00:06:19.500 --> 00:06:21.600 robertthibodeau: Daniel you have your hand up. 79 00:06:23.880 --> 00:06:27.360 robertthibodeau: allowed to talk, I believe I can do that Danielle. 80 00:06:29.460 --> 00:06:33.390 robertthibodeau: You are you need to unmute yourself, but I think you're good to go. 81 00:06:34.500 --> 00:06:34.830 Daniel: Hello. 82 00:06:35.610 --> 00:06:36.120 robertthibodeau: you're on. 83 00:06:36.840 --> 00:06:38.820 Daniel: hi it's just my voice is that right. 84 00:06:39.570 --> 00:06:48.030 Daniel: Correct okay hi my name is Daniel socks I just I moved to Venice about 11 months ago i'm writing your Abbot kinney. 85 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:58.710 Daniel: below a wash Venice and just quickly over the last 11 months i've watched sort of. 86 00:06:59.550 --> 00:07:11.640 Daniel: Add it Kenny go from coven sort of levels to full on and i'm sorry I don't know the history, yet, and I plan to attend more meetings and maybe this has been brought up, but the. 87 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:24.900 Daniel: The speed limit is 30 on Abbot kinney and it's just out of control, people are driving 5060 miles an hour, all the way from motorcycles to large see 18 wheelers. 88 00:07:25.320 --> 00:07:41.400 Daniel: And there are two crosswalks at mar and kurta lane there's a light occurred elaine mar has a button you push i've watched a witness people multiple people almost get hit families carriages dogs um there needs to be enforcement. 89 00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:45.150 Daniel: And I you know I there's other things that I can see could be done. 90 00:07:45.810 --> 00:08:02.280 Daniel: As far as you know, the plan the streets, a lot more work probably not in money but there needs to be some kind of enforcement, because people are just use this like Formula one and yeah I just I just have to say that, and I think it's important yeah. 91 00:08:03.270 --> 00:08:06.660 Jonathan Deer: Okay, can I ask a just a couple of questions. 92 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:16.050 Jonathan Deer: yeah what what what time of day, have you noticed if there's a particular time of day and what areas. 93 00:08:16.530 --> 00:08:32.970 Daniel: So i'm around the area, a lot and I see it honestly throughout the day, obviously it builds up in the morning, work and at night that the traffic builds up from Venice back going South um. 94 00:08:33.870 --> 00:08:45.510 Daniel: You know it definitely at night, like all all through the night at when it becomes night it's sort of gets worse, but it really is throughout the day and it's random which cars are speeding. 95 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:54.210 Daniel: um obviously during the weekend that's when you start to get people more tourists people coming from other parts of the city with faster cars. 96 00:08:56.640 --> 00:09:07.680 Daniel: So it's It really is random and throughout the day I can't say that if there's no way for people to go faster at in the morning on and as the. 97 00:09:08.520 --> 00:09:25.260 Daniel: Night comes you know but but from four from four to five four to six it's more crowded and from like you know 730 to 930 it's more crowded but outside of those times it's just a lot of speeding like and I hear it from multiple neighbors yeah. 98 00:09:25.650 --> 00:09:32.040 Jonathan Deer: So i'll just share with you one of the things we did in my little part of Venice, we had that problem for a long time. 99 00:09:32.100 --> 00:09:34.410 Jonathan Deer: yeah on on mildred. 100 00:09:36.150 --> 00:09:45.180 Jonathan Deer: We reached out directly to the police Captain for the area and and talk to her and she had a motorcycle posted there. 101 00:09:45.930 --> 00:09:54.600 Jonathan Deer: I think it couldn't have been there, more than four or five weeks met it really changed the habits of the drivers going through there and it's had a lasting effect. 102 00:09:54.990 --> 00:10:02.880 Jonathan Deer: You know, we still have some problems but not like we did back then, and so that's something you could you could do, on your own. 103 00:10:02.970 --> 00:10:08.970 Jonathan Deer: Okay, it does take a lot of lot of action from from us, or the Venice neighborhood Council. 104 00:10:09.330 --> 00:10:34.050 robertthibodeau: Okay, I didn't know you can reach out to me to emails Robert dot timbo Venice nc.org and I can tell that the Roberts easy dots easy and then tiptoe is Th be odd EA you at Venice letter in letter C so that's all one word.org. 105 00:10:35.460 --> 00:10:44.070 robertthibodeau: dot and I live at that intersection that you referenced, by the way, so i'm very familiar with the fact that you take your life in your hands when you cross that you know you better be aware. 106 00:10:44.790 --> 00:10:53.880 robertthibodeau: And for those of us who live there, you know we kind of know so we're like uses kind of eyeballing the cars to see if they're going to actually stop at the. 107 00:10:53.880 --> 00:10:55.560 robertthibodeau: crosswalk or not, and then. 108 00:10:55.770 --> 00:10:57.270 robertthibodeau: But for those who don't know. 109 00:10:57.330 --> 00:10:59.940 robertthibodeau: yeah I feel bad for them, because you know. 110 00:11:00.120 --> 00:11:00.840 Daniel: you're almost dead. 111 00:11:01.140 --> 00:11:05.610 robertthibodeau: yeah great anyways yeah let's talk let's talk off the. 112 00:11:05.790 --> 00:11:07.800 robertthibodeau: You know, we can try and make a motion, or we. 113 00:11:08.040 --> 00:11:18.480 robertthibodeau: I can certainly give you the contact information for the Venice officers and stuff like that, and I think it's a worthy worthy cause and a good point my friend. 114 00:11:18.630 --> 00:11:19.980 Daniel: Thank you appreciate it, thank you. 115 00:11:20.130 --> 00:11:20.550 yeah. 116 00:11:21.840 --> 00:11:23.850 robertthibodeau: Okay, seeing. 117 00:11:26.070 --> 00:11:28.320 robertthibodeau: Take your hand down and get you did. 118 00:11:29.460 --> 00:11:31.860 robertthibodeau: Okay, so we're gonna i'm gonna mute you for now. 119 00:11:34.680 --> 00:11:37.470 robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's move into business. 120 00:11:38.910 --> 00:11:39.780 robertthibodeau: and 121 00:11:42.750 --> 00:11:45.960 robertthibodeau: Participants that over there for now. 122 00:11:47.430 --> 00:11:48.750 robertthibodeau: We have. 123 00:11:50.700 --> 00:12:01.650 robertthibodeau: Oh we're going to swap the order around which we've been doing to get the people have come to speak so, hopefully, although I did not see him in the participants. 124 00:12:02.670 --> 00:12:06.090 robertthibodeau: We were going to have what is his name I think it's Steve. 125 00:12:07.290 --> 00:12:08.760 robertthibodeau: Talk about the hurricane. 126 00:12:10.020 --> 00:12:14.790 robertthibodeau: parking lot Steve bradbury you are here steve's hand is up okay. 127 00:12:15.900 --> 00:12:17.760 robertthibodeau: allowed to talk. 128 00:12:19.530 --> 00:12:21.720 robertthibodeau: Steve you introduce your motion. 129 00:12:23.310 --> 00:12:25.170 Steve Bradbury: So everybody hear me now. 130 00:12:25.500 --> 00:12:26.250 robertthibodeau: We can hear you. 131 00:12:26.520 --> 00:12:31.620 Steve Bradbury: Great Thank you so this is emotion do i'm going to read it, or just talk about it. 132 00:12:33.720 --> 00:12:34.110 robertthibodeau: Why don't. 133 00:12:35.700 --> 00:12:41.250 robertthibodeau: Why don't you talk about it Okay, and we can we can read it when we get to that motion part. 134 00:12:41.580 --> 00:12:47.580 Steve Bradbury: Great so thank you for this this this came out of a conversation we had in the last less committee meeting. 135 00:12:49.050 --> 00:12:57.330 Steve Bradbury: about the parking lot that's being built a low to support the auxiliary pumping station at the end of hurricane. 136 00:12:58.920 --> 00:13:00.660 Steve Bradbury: That we know is needs to be built. 137 00:13:01.680 --> 00:13:05.910 Steve Bradbury: But there's an issue around a major issue around the parking lot itself. 138 00:13:06.780 --> 00:13:12.090 Steve Bradbury: Where is it's designed now was never intended to be or never communicated to the Community. 139 00:13:12.420 --> 00:13:24.690 Steve Bradbury: that it was going to be any public parking are supposed to be a lot for employees only and somehow in the last few years it's changed into having public parking spaces, as well as. 140 00:13:25.590 --> 00:13:40.800 Steve Bradbury: bicycle lots, it would be the only parking lot in the entire Marina peninsula, other than what's at the end of the jetty and up on Washington, there are no other public parking lots here and, quite frankly, nobody on the street wants it. 141 00:13:42.300 --> 00:13:49.530 Steve Bradbury: it's just been it's it's crazy that it just it just showed up all of a sudden, when we got an announcement that the project was moving forward. 142 00:13:50.100 --> 00:14:02.160 Steve Bradbury: From last month until this month I coincidentally found a few neighbors who raised a bunch of issues including parking related to the whole auxiliary pumping station. 143 00:14:02.700 --> 00:14:22.680 Steve Bradbury: And that what's happened is a woman named Claire pronounce ski who, I think, Robert you know yeah and also Jim knows has is now working on behalf of Genevieve and Mike neighbors who live on esplanade she has filed a six page document with the city. 144 00:14:23.790 --> 00:14:37.770 Steve Bradbury: which I shared with I think with Robert and and I shared with Liz my happy to share with everybody else in the committee or you can outlining all sorts of issues related to both the pumping station and the parking lot. 145 00:14:39.060 --> 00:14:47.160 Steve Bradbury: About just things that have just been kind of done totally screwing I could go on chapter and verse but I won't but essentially there are. 146 00:14:47.640 --> 00:15:00.090 Steve Bradbury: There are issues environmental issues, their design issues things again have been changed when they shouldn't have been and in specific to the parking lot, which is that what I brought up originally. 147 00:15:01.290 --> 00:15:05.730 Steve Bradbury: there's definitely an issue about setbacks or insufficient. 148 00:15:06.600 --> 00:15:16.560 Steve Bradbury: This is, according to the letter that Claire wrote it should be six foot block wall and 10 feet of landscaping on the West side of the property to buffer the next door residential uses. 149 00:15:17.040 --> 00:15:25.890 Steve Bradbury: And the wall, there is a decorative fence and debt landscaping there's nothing specific, let alone the fact that there is no security design. 150 00:15:26.430 --> 00:15:34.650 Steve Bradbury: put into place here the city clearly doesn't know how to operate and maintain and keep secure these lots we want it to be locked. 151 00:15:35.190 --> 00:15:45.240 Steve Bradbury: And only be used for employees, during the day and locked at nights and nobody else can access it I don't need homeless or people that are going to the beach tailgating at the end of my street. 152 00:15:45.690 --> 00:16:07.590 Steve Bradbury: It doesn't make any sense whatsoever, so this motion was put forward on behalf of this concept that talks specifically about the parking and so Claire and Jeff Lee and Genevieve and Mike and other neighbors are all supportive of this they've asked me to speak on behalf of all of them. 153 00:16:09.330 --> 00:16:18.840 Steve Bradbury: there's also, by the way, public works in 2018 put a 44 page or denim disclosing contaminated soil in the parking lot site. 154 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:26.070 Steve Bradbury: As well as an oil well, it needs to be reimagined but they decided that no mitigation know mitigation was necessary. 155 00:16:26.520 --> 00:16:36.690 Steve Bradbury: Without discussing toxic fumes soil duster impact on residents so that's all just a parking lot itself that is this property that the city is still trying to acquire it went 28 hurricane. 156 00:16:37.500 --> 00:16:42.510 Steve Bradbury: So that's this i'm happy to answer questions and a lot more there, but I wanted to just kind of be keep it brief. 157 00:16:49.140 --> 00:16:57.030 Steve Bradbury: And just just everybody knows i'm just i'm just a resident living on the street, I live at one or nine hurricane right down the block from this i'm not the. 158 00:16:57.720 --> 00:17:04.860 Steve Bradbury: group organizer or anything, or at least not at this point i'm not i'm just speaking on behalf of all the concern people who live on this block. 159 00:17:06.210 --> 00:17:10.530 robertthibodeau: got it okay so let's our processes we're going to. 160 00:17:13.470 --> 00:17:18.840 robertthibodeau: Maybe john should you want to read the motion or i'll read the motion and then we'll open it up to a public comment. 161 00:17:20.070 --> 00:17:21.900 Jonathan Deer: I don't I don't mind reading it sure. 162 00:17:23.370 --> 00:17:25.380 Jonathan Deer: Let me get it up here. 163 00:17:29.310 --> 00:17:43.020 Jonathan Deer: Okay possible motion, whereas the city of Los Angeles director of planning and zoning administrator has decided to include the unsecured public parking and bicycle rack spaces at 128 hurricane St. 164 00:17:43.410 --> 00:17:52.410 Jonathan Deer: Marina del rey as part of the Venice auxiliary pumping plant in direct opposition to the specific request of hurricane street residents. 165 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:58.980 Jonathan Deer: Whereas, this will encourage both visitors and homeless to congregate in this residential area. 166 00:17:59.700 --> 00:18:08.760 Jonathan Deer: It will also become the only public parking lot on the Marina peninsula accepting the existing parking spaces, at the end of the peninsula on the jetty. 167 00:18:09.750 --> 00:18:16.950 Jonathan Deer: The parking and transportation committee request that the Venice neighborhood Council Sunday letters supporting the residents of hurricane street. 168 00:18:17.640 --> 00:18:29.730 Jonathan Deer: I recommends the parking lot been designated solely for the exclusive use of employees and security as such a manner that the public cannot access it, whether by vehicle bicycle or on foot. 169 00:18:30.900 --> 00:18:40.590 Jonathan Deer: The letter shall be sent to Elizabeth guy are no project planning the La CPC department of public works and blank at the moment. 170 00:18:45.420 --> 00:18:48.240 robertthibodeau: Okay, that sounds good, I mean i'd suggest putting the. 171 00:18:48.270 --> 00:18:49.740 robertthibodeau: Coastal Commission on their. 172 00:18:50.790 --> 00:18:57.480 robertthibodeau: Do it via wi and then the Council office, we should put at least Alec on there I would think. 173 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:02.430 robertthibodeau: that those are my suggestions for kind of additional. 174 00:19:04.620 --> 00:19:11.550 robertthibodeau: Additional agencies unless someone can think of other ones so selena you're good with that too, but those would be my starter group. 175 00:19:14.820 --> 00:19:22.410 robertthibodeau: I don't know if we need to add that, to the last sentence, as part of the motion. 176 00:19:23.910 --> 00:19:25.500 robertthibodeau: or techcrunch's be done. 177 00:19:28.770 --> 00:19:48.120 robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's open this up to public comment, so we are now going back to the participants to participants raise your hands Steve bradbury your you just spoke so i'm going to ignore yours, for now, Robin rudy still allowed to talk. 178 00:19:52.350 --> 00:20:01.500 Robin Rudisill: it's Robin from Venice, you know i'm a little confused by the emotion, because in the, whereas it kind of sounds like this is a good thing. 179 00:20:02.310 --> 00:20:09.030 Robin Rudisill: You know, we need parking in Venice, it would be the only public parking on the Marina besides the one down at the jetty. 180 00:20:09.780 --> 00:20:25.260 Robin Rudisill: We know we're short on parking it's kind of weird that they want to offer this I don't quite understand the reasons, but you know parking more parking is a good thing is, it is the reason the neighbors don't want it they're just afraid it'll become a nuisance. 181 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:30.270 Robin Rudisill: which I do understand I live near a parking lot but. 182 00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:46.170 Robin Rudisill: You know it's it's livable it's doable I mean I don't think that should be afraid there's issues all over Venice but anyway that's my question, I mean it, I think we should consider the fact that we do need park thanks. 183 00:20:47.550 --> 00:20:50.700 Steve Bradbury: My Internet or is this just to my listening. 184 00:20:51.540 --> 00:20:53.550 robertthibodeau: This is kind of more listening and. 185 00:20:54.630 --> 00:20:55.020 robertthibodeau: Then. 186 00:20:56.760 --> 00:21:00.840 robertthibodeau: yeah it's not really a go back and forth between the different people. 187 00:21:02.370 --> 00:21:17.250 robertthibodeau: But uh we'll give you a chance at the end to to maybe it all in one answer any questions that come up let's so robins hand was up I don't see other hands up, except for unless i'm. 188 00:21:18.150 --> 00:21:27.030 robertthibodeau: Missing somebody here, except for Steve and Steve i'm going to hold off on you, for a second, then you can sort of lump sum answer questions if there's some from the board to. 189 00:21:28.230 --> 00:21:31.200 robertthibodeau: So now board panel board discussion. 190 00:21:33.090 --> 00:21:35.880 Jonathan Deer: yeah I have a couple of questions so if I can jump in. 191 00:21:36.180 --> 00:21:37.260 robertthibodeau: jump on it and john. 192 00:21:37.320 --> 00:21:41.400 Jonathan Deer: Okay Steve Do you know what kind of timeline. 193 00:21:43.230 --> 00:21:48.960 Jonathan Deer: activity is on on this, you know When are they actually going to start doing something to turn it into a parking lot. 194 00:21:50.340 --> 00:22:04.560 Steve Bradbury: Well, the Claire on behalf of gen and Mike appealed the just appeal to notice that the decision that was in December and the hearing was supposed to be, I believe this. 195 00:22:04.860 --> 00:22:12.750 Steve Bradbury: In a couple of days, but because it was so many screw ups, with the notifications around the hearing and all sorts of stuff they've pushed it back to the end of April. 196 00:22:13.830 --> 00:22:14.850 Steve Bradbury: So that's the hearing. 197 00:22:16.080 --> 00:22:31.980 Steve Bradbury: to appeal to the decision of the of the city honestly I don't know how long it's going to take until this happens when I spoke to Claire she said, listen, you know we're trying to we're trying to outlast the city, who tries to outlast the residents. 198 00:22:32.670 --> 00:22:43.680 Steve Bradbury: As people move and get tired and all that they're just kind of where everybody down and they're taking a stand and saying no i'm not going to happen, so I, the answer is, I don't know how long it's going to take. 199 00:22:43.680 --> 00:22:49.050 Jonathan Deer: Okay, but, but we know that nothing's happening before the end of April right. 200 00:22:50.010 --> 00:22:52.560 Steve Bradbury: Well there's a hearing in sometime in the in April is a. 201 00:22:52.560 --> 00:22:54.930 Jonathan Deer: Here, yes okay. 202 00:22:56.010 --> 00:22:56.550 Jonathan Deer: So. 203 00:22:59.430 --> 00:23:05.700 Jonathan Deer: there's you know, I have a number of issues on both sides of it, one issue is. 204 00:23:07.410 --> 00:23:10.620 Jonathan Deer: As it turns out, we did we as a committee we did. 205 00:23:12.150 --> 00:23:23.790 Jonathan Deer: In 2017 apparently we did I remember the presentation we had a presentation, nobody showed up with those concerns at the presentation and, as a committee we did vote to. 206 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:31.890 Jonathan Deer: support that project was supposed to be employees during business hours and. 207 00:23:33.150 --> 00:23:39.690 Jonathan Deer: The public in other times when there were no employees or when when it's outside of business hours that was what we had said. 208 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:51.450 Jonathan Deer: The in you know in Venice we include on even on my street we have tons of public parking you know we have I live near the beach and. 209 00:23:53.280 --> 00:23:55.920 Jonathan Deer: They all summer long the streets are filled with. 210 00:23:56.940 --> 00:23:59.130 Jonathan Deer: Cars for people going to the beach. 211 00:24:00.420 --> 00:24:04.110 Jonathan Deer: And it is you know it does bring some issues. 212 00:24:05.130 --> 00:24:09.840 Jonathan Deer: But we're a beach community, so you know kind of goes with the territory. 213 00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:20.070 Jonathan Deer: Everything is made more complicated by the fact that there's no homeless enforcement, so you know if if a lot were to turn like that were to turn into a homeless encampment. 214 00:24:20.880 --> 00:24:40.500 Jonathan Deer: That would be a problem, but so far the parking lots are not in fact we had many more problems with the parking lots years ago and that's been at least in in my part of Venice largely resolved, because they do seem to enforce the parking lots and I don't know if that would be the same. 215 00:24:41.550 --> 00:24:43.980 Jonathan Deer: Over there in terms of homeless issues. 216 00:24:46.560 --> 00:24:54.000 Jonathan Deer: You know so it's a mixed it's kind of a mixed bag, for me, and what I what might be very helpful and making you know figure out which side to come out on. 217 00:24:54.570 --> 00:25:07.320 Jonathan Deer: This if we saw some of the materials, you were talking about you mentioned a number of issues including environmental issues, and those are probably all outlined in whatever the appeal was it was taken so you know i'm wondering if. 218 00:25:08.670 --> 00:25:11.070 Jonathan Deer: Since we have time i'm wondering if. 219 00:25:12.240 --> 00:25:17.160 Jonathan Deer: You might be able to present materials to us, so we could see it and then. 220 00:25:18.510 --> 00:25:24.990 Jonathan Deer: And then, how many how many people live live on that street isn't there isn't there you know multifamily buildings on that street. 221 00:25:25.830 --> 00:25:30.750 Steve Bradbury: yeah they're both private owned residences like where I live, as well as some apartment buildings. 222 00:25:32.130 --> 00:25:40.650 Jonathan Deer: So you know, often we can for some things not necessarily for this one, but often we want to see what you know what. 223 00:25:41.580 --> 00:25:56.010 Jonathan Deer: You know, a majority of the people in the street are thinking, you know as opposed to just a few but i'm not i'm not sure that's necessary in this case, since nobody's showing up, on the other side of this issue and it's by this point is probably well publicized on your street. 224 00:25:57.870 --> 00:26:10.680 Jonathan Deer: But, but at any rate, that would be something that would help me to figure out where to come down on this as understanding, some of those many issues that you referenced and no doubt they exist but it'd be helpful to see some some specifics for me. 225 00:26:17.520 --> 00:26:19.800 Jonathan Deer: that's right but somebody else. 226 00:26:20.520 --> 00:26:33.270 Alyson Wilson: i'll hop and that's all great and i'm really aligned with that time and i'm I wonder Steve if you have access to any of the information around how it's going to be signed so it's. 227 00:26:34.500 --> 00:26:48.720 Alyson Wilson: You spoke about how there be how there would be some restrictions on public parking based on when city employees would be there i'm wondering if that would relate to all the parking spaces are some of the parking spaces, I think some of your concerns. 228 00:26:50.520 --> 00:26:55.530 Alyson Wilson: might be addressed by some like you know limitations to. 229 00:26:56.820 --> 00:27:02.430 Alyson Wilson: To how long those parking spaces, could be used for, especially if you're concerned with nuisance parking. 230 00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:11.100 Alyson Wilson: So I don't know if you have access to that, but that might be interesting to provide if you could get your hands on some of those that planning and thinking before. 231 00:27:12.150 --> 00:27:13.470 Alyson Wilson: We get together again. 232 00:27:16.950 --> 00:27:17.910 Steve Bradbury: i'm just making notes. 233 00:27:25.230 --> 00:27:35.340 Alyson Wilson: And can you repeat when you're done with your notes, how many spaces, there are like do you do you have a Count of how many our employees faces and how many are public places i'm sure you shared it it just doesn't stick in my mind. 234 00:27:35.760 --> 00:27:45.330 Steve Bradbury: I can just tell you real quickly here there are seven spots, all together, five for employees and to public spots we're talking about to public spots and by bicycle racks. 235 00:27:45.630 --> 00:27:55.470 Steve Bradbury: i'm not going to make a material difference in parking and we live a block from the beach so i'm well versed in parking issues, especially in the summertime. 236 00:27:56.190 --> 00:28:10.830 Steve Bradbury: And you know, whoever gets it on the street gets it on the street and that's totally fine no issue with that whatsoever just creating carving out a parking lot for a couple of spaces makes no sense. 237 00:28:11.430 --> 00:28:17.940 Alyson Wilson: it's really seven spaces, if you think about weekends when there wouldn't be employees there. 238 00:28:20.700 --> 00:28:26.040 Steve Bradbury: And they're going to be open it's going to be open 24 seven it's not going to be secured there's not going to be any. 239 00:28:26.970 --> 00:28:35.220 Steve Bradbury: Protection listen assign is people don't read signs people could care less there's no enforced there's no there's no enforcement around the plant. 240 00:28:35.970 --> 00:28:42.900 Steve Bradbury: it's not maintain there's no landscaping there's graffiti the city owns that plant and the city doesn't take care of that plant. 241 00:28:43.590 --> 00:28:52.650 Steve Bradbury: Is trashing graffiti all over the place weeds poking through everything hardly any setbacks it's it's it's basically a dump at the end of our street. 242 00:28:53.490 --> 00:29:06.150 Steve Bradbury: So how do we any of us have any confidence whatsoever that the city will maintain a parking lot with a couple of spots in it when they're not even maintaining the pumpkin plan that's been there for 50 years. 243 00:29:08.370 --> 00:29:09.660 robertthibodeau: Lena do you have anything. 244 00:29:11.040 --> 00:29:11.700 robertthibodeau: To add or. 245 00:29:12.840 --> 00:29:27.000 Selena Inouye: Oh, I guess, I just want to hear from Steve what his worst case scenario, with this is Why is he so concerned about it, I think you touched on it last time but. 246 00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:40.680 Selena Inouye: I do want to hear it again and and john did bring up a good point about you know what do the neighbors in the area, think about this have you canvass the the immediate neighborhood. 247 00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.220 Selena Inouye: What, what do you, what do you neighbors want to see happen with this. 248 00:29:51.510 --> 00:29:55.290 robertthibodeau: Okay, I mean I think we've heard that from Steve with the. 249 00:29:56.760 --> 00:29:57.360 robertthibodeau: With the. 250 00:30:00.390 --> 00:30:07.920 robertthibodeau: Mention of the, at least with the mention of the neck, you know neighbor neighbor sharing is concerned. 251 00:30:11.910 --> 00:30:22.860 robertthibodeau: I think we should put the motion forwards and see you know see where it stands i'm going to say I am certainly in support of you Steve the. 252 00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:30.000 robertthibodeau: track record on city, taking care of all the parking lots. 253 00:30:32.820 --> 00:30:43.650 robertthibodeau: You know, know the ones in the beach that the county takes care of are not too bad, but if you look at the one at the corner of rosen main you know that's been a disaster and. 254 00:30:45.780 --> 00:30:53.970 robertthibodeau: And I know the one that was behind me next to spark at its problems as well, including enforcement and. 255 00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:59.160 robertthibodeau: You know that that was a similar situation where it was open 24 hours and. 256 00:31:00.870 --> 00:31:03.750 robertthibodeau: It wasn't anything done there until neighbors got together. 257 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:23.730 robertthibodeau: So I would support steep wholeheartedly in this, I see no problem with a parking lot expensed specifically for for employees and and specific visitors that need to access a pump plant, but I see no reason to put public parking in that neighborhood. 258 00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:28.620 robertthibodeau: It doesn't make much sense to me but. 259 00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:30.780 Jonathan Deer: Can I just jump in for a second. 260 00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:39.060 Jonathan Deer: Just it's kind of be I don't want to vote no on it and I I feel like i'm at an information deficit right now. 261 00:31:39.660 --> 00:31:40.020 robertthibodeau: I don't think. 262 00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:43.650 robertthibodeau: We send them back once and when we see. 263 00:31:43.710 --> 00:31:44.490 Jonathan Deer: I understand. 264 00:31:44.940 --> 00:31:49.680 robertthibodeau: we're doing this as a pattern I don't I don't want to get in I want to move forward to stuff not backwards. 265 00:31:49.710 --> 00:31:50.910 Jonathan Deer: Okay, but but. 266 00:31:50.940 --> 00:32:03.060 Jonathan Deer: But you're possibly having as motion turned down because two of us on the Committee have already said, we don't feel like we have the information we need to support it when we might be willing to support it so. 267 00:32:04.830 --> 00:32:07.110 Steve Bradbury: Maybe I have 30 seconds or a minute with. 268 00:32:07.110 --> 00:32:09.150 Steve Bradbury: tire respond to a couple things. 269 00:32:11.130 --> 00:32:11.550 Steve Bradbury: Okay. 270 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:18.990 Steve Bradbury: Is it Okay, if I move folk. 271 00:32:19.020 --> 00:32:20.130 robertthibodeau: FSB I go ahead. 272 00:32:20.220 --> 00:32:33.150 Steve Bradbury: Okay, thank you so a couple of Ecuador just a couple things that were raised in terms of canvassing neighbors the neighbors who are property owners support this the neighbors who are renters. 273 00:32:34.350 --> 00:32:46.290 Steve Bradbury: The renters it's it's it's not something that many of them are concerned about, however what's interesting is Jen and Mike the people who brought Claire in and put this. 274 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:55.800 Steve Bradbury: In and file file the appeal their renters they rent on esplanade immediately next to the state where the pumping plan is going to be built. 275 00:32:56.310 --> 00:33:01.530 Steve Bradbury: And their landlord is and supportive him as well by the landlord offered to pay for you know legal stuff if necessary. 276 00:33:01.950 --> 00:33:11.760 Steve Bradbury: So renters rarely have the same passion that owners do property owners do but property owners in the on the street in this area do have. 277 00:33:12.330 --> 00:33:23.460 Steve Bradbury: A voice their opinions on this, I have not canvas them lately on this, but certainly was intending to do it Claire said that it would be better if people wrote letters or. 278 00:33:23.760 --> 00:33:29.730 Steve Bradbury: spoke at the hearing, as opposed to taking a poll or a survey so she kind of pushed me away from doing that now, but. 279 00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:36.990 Steve Bradbury: I figured at some point, you know we'd be happy to do that, and then the other thing that was raised as far as materials are concerned, like I. 280 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:47.700 Steve Bradbury: said previously, I did share the materials, I think, Robert you have in and Elizabeth and Liz Liz I shared the filing with them. 281 00:33:48.150 --> 00:33:53.160 Steve Bradbury: i'm happy that you can share with them or i'm happy to send to whomever wants to see the filing that. 282 00:33:53.970 --> 00:34:06.930 Steve Bradbury: Claire sent and then she sent me the 44 page denim the public works attend them about the contamination, the soil, which I can also share with you, she just sent it to me yesterday. 283 00:34:07.410 --> 00:34:12.240 Steve Bradbury: So i'm happy to share those with whoever would like to see them but. 284 00:34:13.230 --> 00:34:20.130 Steve Bradbury: yeah listen we're looking for we're looking for more support we're looking to be able to speak with a more unified voice to the city. 285 00:34:20.520 --> 00:34:29.760 Steve Bradbury: To say okay hold on this is you can't just go change the rules on us there hasn't been a hearing in five years, we spoke up at the original hearing in 2017. 286 00:34:30.870 --> 00:34:44.130 Steve Bradbury: And that was there's been nothing the case has been on hold for five years, no additional information to the Community nothing things got changed and then all of a sudden, in December, it got voted through so. 287 00:34:45.600 --> 00:34:53.580 Steve Bradbury: I mean i'm happy to provide whatever whatever you want, but we're just we're looking for support here to at least make a statement to the city to at least have them go back to the drawing board and. 288 00:34:54.060 --> 00:35:02.970 Steve Bradbury: address some issues here we're not saying it shouldn't be built when I think it shouldn't happen, which is saying we have to take consideration of the fact that there's a neighborhood around it. 289 00:35:04.290 --> 00:35:07.290 Steve Bradbury: that's then that we're looking for, so thank you for that. 290 00:35:09.660 --> 00:35:11.820 Jonathan Deer: Well, let me just say. 291 00:35:13.170 --> 00:35:23.310 Jonathan Deer: that's not exactly what the motion says emotion has taking a firm stance that it shouldn't be there and and that may be a good position in a position, we want to take, but. 292 00:35:24.420 --> 00:35:36.870 Jonathan Deer: it's hard for me to take that position today anyway, with with the information and I, and I have a feeling that I have right now, but I have a feeling that these things you're saying once I read it they're going to be pretty convincing. 293 00:35:40.020 --> 00:35:44.430 Jonathan Deer: I mean, I might be willing to support a different kind of motion that says what you just said, which is. 294 00:35:46.050 --> 00:35:51.810 Jonathan Deer: We want the city to take a hard harder look at these issues and reach out to the Community and take more Community input. 295 00:35:53.730 --> 00:35:55.230 Jonathan Deer: that's something I could certainly. 296 00:35:56.700 --> 00:36:02.820 Jonathan Deer: stand behind today, but that that doesn't sound like that's exactly what you want sounds like if you do want a firm statement against it. 297 00:36:03.870 --> 00:36:20.880 Steve Bradbury: Oh, this one well okay what we what what I came to the Committee with was the motion around the parking lot purely being used for employees, not being a public lot between the time that I came last time, and this time. 298 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:39.600 Steve Bradbury: All this other information came to light, so you know I spoke to Claire about and she said, listen to a concert if the dnc can support the parking part of this element that's great right i'm not speaking on behalf of the entire project, because then that's a much bigger thing. 299 00:36:40.350 --> 00:36:41.880 Steve Bradbury: My issue is about. 300 00:36:42.330 --> 00:36:45.150 Steve Bradbury: The public the parking lot not being public. 301 00:36:46.230 --> 00:36:56.310 Steve Bradbury: Right there's a much bigger think play at work here around environment about you know it about the way this thing is design near people's houses. 302 00:36:56.730 --> 00:37:12.180 Steve Bradbury: that's the other document that you are welcome to read, maybe that's a separate motion that's next motion if it can be a second motion I would love to just get this motion that addresses the parking lot so at least there's something on the record. 303 00:37:13.860 --> 00:37:24.810 Steve Bradbury: That, then, can be voted on by the full V MC and at least there's something that is in place to be able to say to the city and then, if there's a second motion that can be a second motion. 304 00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:39.120 robertthibodeau: So our you know our job is to represent the public public spoken he was here last time he's here again this time it's got emotion in front of us. 305 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:46.380 robertthibodeau: If you want to see his documentation, I can have him screen share and put the documentation up but that's necessary. 306 00:37:48.570 --> 00:37:55.530 robertthibodeau: I don't know what you guys feel about that one, otherwise I think we should move to a vote on the motion. 307 00:37:56.670 --> 00:38:09.030 Selena Inouye: Oh, Robert, can I ask a question, because I wasn't on this committee back in 2017 when the presentation, or this was discussed before and emotion was passed before. 308 00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:17.760 Selena Inouye: Are we, being asked to pass emotion that is contrary to a position that the dnc has already supported. 309 00:38:18.210 --> 00:38:25.110 robertthibodeau: I think what happened was is the dnc supported this, if I remember right and. 310 00:38:26.190 --> 00:38:36.060 robertthibodeau: Because I was on the dnc then, but not the PTC, so I would have heard it on the dnc is that we supported it being a parking lot for employees. 311 00:38:36.900 --> 00:38:51.450 robertthibodeau: And steve's point is that it has now without further review, other than what we're doing today segue from being an apart parking lot for employees to sort of being a general parking lot for the public and. 312 00:38:52.770 --> 00:39:04.860 robertthibodeau: I think he feels misled by the process and I think that's why we're here either you know backup position or if you choose not to back his position to knock back his position but. 313 00:39:05.700 --> 00:39:18.150 robertthibodeau: The issue really seems to be the access to the parking lot and security for the parking lot not not so much whether the parking lot exists, if in his motion he's not suggesting that the parking lot doesn't exist. 314 00:39:18.960 --> 00:39:37.260 robertthibodeau: He he suggesting that the parking lot be locked when they're not using it, which you know, again, you make your own judgments on that, but that's I mean it says, right here designated solely for the exclusive use of employees and secure in such a minute public not set access it. 315 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:38.700 robertthibodeau: and 316 00:39:40.950 --> 00:39:48.360 Selena Inouye: yeah I just want to make sure that what we're considering tonight doesn't conflict what had been passed back in 2017. 317 00:39:48.570 --> 00:39:50.220 robertthibodeau: I think it actually reinforces I. 318 00:39:50.220 --> 00:39:55.680 robertthibodeau: mean the way I read it reinforces what was passed in 2017 is that we. 319 00:39:57.120 --> 00:40:04.020 robertthibodeau: We were asked to look at parking lot for the pump station, not a general public parking lot. 320 00:40:04.230 --> 00:40:13.350 Jonathan Deer: So so i'll just address that I was on the committee, then I didn't remember it but actually Steve forward in the Minutes are incorporated in until one of his emails. 321 00:40:14.100 --> 00:40:17.790 Jonathan Deer: And it was five years ago, and as Steve brought up there's been a lot. 322 00:40:18.600 --> 00:40:29.640 Jonathan Deer: Since then, but at that time we had a presentation from the city i've forgotten last month that we'd even been asked to support it, but we weren't no one from the public showed up. 323 00:40:30.420 --> 00:40:40.440 Jonathan Deer: So we only had the city's presentation and they asked us to support it being used for employees and the public, and we put the condition on it that. 324 00:40:41.790 --> 00:40:44.850 Jonathan Deer: that it would be, it could be used for. 325 00:40:46.050 --> 00:40:56.280 Jonathan Deer: The we wanted it to be used for the public during non business hours and we asked them to include that in and that's what we sent to the dnc I don't know what the dnc did with it. 326 00:40:57.240 --> 00:41:06.150 Jonathan Deer: They may have passed, you know they often change it so but it, you know if we do support the motion. 327 00:41:06.720 --> 00:41:18.570 Jonathan Deer: I don't feel that it conflicts, I would probably like to rewrite the whereas it's a little bit to reference, the fact that over the last five years know Community outreach with Donna, at least that we're aware of, and that. 328 00:41:20.130 --> 00:41:28.260 Jonathan Deer: And that new information has come to light, so we don't just look like we're just changing our minds, as a committee which which I don't feel that we. 329 00:41:28.890 --> 00:41:36.060 Jonathan Deer: I mean, even if it's supported I don't think that's what we'd be doing, you know I have expressed my concerns about supporting it, based on the information we have, but. 330 00:41:37.350 --> 00:41:39.480 Jonathan Deer: i'm not concerned that. 331 00:41:40.680 --> 00:41:49.110 Jonathan Deer: i'm not concerned about taking a contract position of what we took five years ago, given the passage of time, and given the incredible deterioration of. 332 00:41:50.220 --> 00:42:02.550 Jonathan Deer: Any enforcement from the city of some of the very issues that Steve and the residents around they're concerned about you know I think all that places it in a different light than what we looked at five years ago. 333 00:42:08.310 --> 00:42:27.270 Selena Inouye: yeah I just wish the gym was here to help us guide us in terms of this motion and and passing it in with in that regard, since this was a position, I mean this was an issue already heard by the committee and then passed and went to the board that's My only concern I think at this point. 334 00:42:32.100 --> 00:42:33.270 Jonathan Deer: I also do thoughts. 335 00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:44.160 Alyson Wilson: I do, I think that the additions that you've suggested our help ground this in our awareness of. 336 00:42:45.270 --> 00:42:49.320 Alyson Wilson: Having seen it before and it I would be willing to support it, if. 337 00:42:51.630 --> 00:42:53.160 Alyson Wilson: If those additions were made. 338 00:42:56.040 --> 00:42:59.310 robertthibodeau: you read read the motion with the additions. 339 00:43:00.540 --> 00:43:04.350 Jonathan Deer: Let me yeah Let me take a look and see what I can add real quickly right here. 340 00:43:08.670 --> 00:43:10.500 robertthibodeau: Steve are you posted that I mean. 341 00:43:11.970 --> 00:43:12.480 Steve Bradbury: Is we. 342 00:43:13.980 --> 00:43:16.890 robertthibodeau: heard you heard well let's let john do its thing. 343 00:43:17.130 --> 00:43:24.600 Jonathan Deer: yeah i'll just explain and we just want to hear if you're opposed to it, so we're talking about is so the way motions work is. 344 00:43:25.050 --> 00:43:42.990 Jonathan Deer: You propose emotion, but then it has them to committee has to move to has to make the motion and seconded and then vote on it now we're talking about modifying the motion to reference, the fact that, since we supported the project, five years ago conditions have changed and. 345 00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:57.660 Jonathan Deer: And a number of things have happened, which may cause us to revisit it in a new light now, and so, if we take a contrary position now it's based on what we've learned, since the last five years and change conditions. 346 00:43:59.160 --> 00:44:03.210 Jonathan Deer: They do have any opposition to something like that being added to your proposed motion. 347 00:44:03.330 --> 00:44:14.460 Steve Bradbury: No, in fact I would tell you that in claire's letter to the city, she said, public works last presented this project, the Community in 2017 The case has been on hold for five years. 348 00:44:14.850 --> 00:44:22.200 Steve Bradbury: And no additional information or context with Community were held during this time, despite prior promises to work on design and mitigation. 349 00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:35.310 Steve Bradbury: And they've repeatedly asked for a new presentation of the projects and changes were clearly made since the last city public hearings in 2017 this is from page one of her, but so that, basically, is what you're saying is really right. 350 00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:36.480 Steve Bradbury: yeah changes. 351 00:44:36.810 --> 00:44:39.690 Steve Bradbury: Man without any Community any communication to the city. 352 00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:47.520 Jonathan Deer: Okay, could you maybe for Robert do you have that that letter. 353 00:44:50.100 --> 00:45:01.710 Jonathan Deer: Is that something Steve shared that that like what we should probably just add that language in there and say you know and and maybe pass the motion that we can't continue to support it. 354 00:45:03.330 --> 00:45:08.100 Jonathan Deer: You know until the communities said input in and they've addressed some of these things. 355 00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:12.750 Steve Bradbury: Is there a chat function, I can just copy and paste it into the chat function if you want yeah. 356 00:45:12.750 --> 00:45:17.910 Jonathan Deer: There is it's a, whereas the chat on this actually that's funny I don't see the chat on. 357 00:45:17.910 --> 00:45:19.500 Steve Bradbury: This yeah I don't I don't have a. 358 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:21.090 Jonathan Deer: phone. 359 00:45:21.540 --> 00:45:25.470 Selena Inouye: Actually, I think the neighborhood Council zoom's can't have the chat function so. 360 00:45:26.550 --> 00:45:27.180 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 361 00:45:27.240 --> 00:45:30.060 Steve Bradbury: You like me to just email it real quickly to somebody right now. 362 00:45:31.680 --> 00:45:35.070 Jonathan Deer: yeah it can read my email it to the whole board and some. 363 00:45:35.220 --> 00:45:36.570 robertthibodeau: i'm pulling it up for you to be gay. 364 00:45:37.200 --> 00:45:38.220 Jonathan Deer: Or you got it okay great. 365 00:45:38.220 --> 00:45:40.020 robertthibodeau: That the strings a little long so. 366 00:45:42.990 --> 00:45:44.100 Jonathan Deer: If I can get this. 367 00:45:45.870 --> 00:45:46.260 Jonathan Deer: We can. 368 00:45:46.680 --> 00:45:59.370 Jonathan Deer: You know I why don't we just we heard what he said, what we can we can refashion it later if if it passes, but so so i'll just summarize the emotion and then somebody can move it if they want to support it. 369 00:46:01.140 --> 00:46:08.100 Jonathan Deer: So to summarize it, we would the emotion would be Martin emotion as propose would be modified. 370 00:46:09.150 --> 00:46:12.810 Jonathan Deer: to indicate that, since we supported. 371 00:46:14.070 --> 00:46:15.510 Jonathan Deer: A version of this. 372 00:46:16.530 --> 00:46:24.450 Jonathan Deer: parking lot with public use conditions in Venice have substantially change five years have passed the city. 373 00:46:25.050 --> 00:46:42.810 Jonathan Deer: The city promise to do outreach to neighbors and the neighbors feel that has not been done, and so we cannot support the project at this time until you know, unless that process is done and then we'd be willing to revisit it but, at this time we can't support it. 374 00:46:44.850 --> 00:46:48.030 Jonathan Deer: Is that that would that do Steve what you want, done. 375 00:46:52.050 --> 00:46:52.860 Jonathan Deer: Did we lose Steve. 376 00:46:57.090 --> 00:46:59.400 Jonathan Deer: it's still there with the sand up but somehow he got lost. 377 00:47:02.850 --> 00:47:05.520 robertthibodeau: Steve bradbury allowed to die. 378 00:47:11.430 --> 00:47:15.690 robertthibodeau: You try muting yourself i'm hitting clicking the allowed to talk here. 379 00:47:20.580 --> 00:47:22.200 robertthibodeau: not sure why this isn't working. 380 00:47:22.860 --> 00:47:27.180 Jonathan Deer: yeah something strange happened, he was on and then he still shows as attending. 381 00:47:27.300 --> 00:47:28.740 robertthibodeau: he's showing is attending. 382 00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:37.170 Jonathan Deer: On now he's dropped off i'll bet it was a signal problem he's dropped off now so who probably log back in a minute let's just hold off for a second. 383 00:47:37.470 --> 00:47:49.140 robertthibodeau: And I wasn't sure i've got his emails in the documentation, if you want me to open, something it is supposedly a very large file and dropbox connection so that's why I didn't start clicking on it, because I was. 384 00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:50.460 robertthibodeau: I would lose my. 385 00:47:51.300 --> 00:48:05.370 Jonathan Deer: My if you have no in mind when we hold up on looking at it, but just consider the motion as modified and then we can work on the exact language later, but consistent with what we just announced. 386 00:48:07.170 --> 00:48:12.570 robertthibodeau: Okay, and then, can you reread your Amended motion. 387 00:48:13.080 --> 00:48:25.950 Jonathan Deer: yeah i'll summarize it so roughly that will take the language you know, whereas since this committee last reviewed the issue, five years ago conditions have changed in Venice. 388 00:48:27.420 --> 00:48:34.350 Jonathan Deer: The residents feel that the city has not maintained its promises to take public input and work with the. 389 00:48:35.430 --> 00:48:38.790 Jonathan Deer: Residents right around the proposed project. 390 00:48:40.080 --> 00:48:52.830 Jonathan Deer: And there are a number of concerns that have been raised by the residents and until these concerns are addressed and more public input has been taken, we cannot support the project at this point. 391 00:48:57.030 --> 00:49:00.150 Steve Bradbury: Sorry guys a spectrum decided not to give me. 392 00:49:00.300 --> 00:49:01.560 Jonathan Deer: Connected so Lisa. 393 00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:06.120 Steve Bradbury: yeah I Robert I just emailed you the language. 394 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.560 Steve Bradbury: From the from from the letter from from. 395 00:49:11.700 --> 00:49:11.910 Steve Bradbury: So. 396 00:49:12.150 --> 00:49:13.560 Jonathan Deer: Were you able to hear what what. 397 00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:15.450 Jonathan Deer: That I just summarize the way we were. 398 00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:18.120 Steve Bradbury: Roughly we I could have heard the tail end of it. 399 00:49:18.150 --> 00:49:24.390 Jonathan Deer: Basically i'll just say it again, so you can hear and let's hear from you whether that's still emotion, to work sorry. 400 00:49:25.380 --> 00:49:38.190 Jonathan Deer: So let me just get it up here okay so whereas since this committee last considered that parking lot project conditions in Venice have changed. 401 00:49:39.030 --> 00:49:43.980 Jonathan Deer: there's been a complete lack of enforcement of homeless and other conditions. 402 00:49:44.670 --> 00:50:03.690 Jonathan Deer: And the city has no residents in the area, feel that the city has not kept its promises to take public input and consider public input in the design and implementation of the parking lot and until those things happen, and at this point, we cannot continue to support that project. 403 00:50:06.540 --> 00:50:07.830 Steve Bradbury: Okay, I support that. 404 00:50:08.700 --> 00:50:13.110 Jonathan Deer: Okay, all right, so if someone wants to move the motion. 405 00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:17.490 robertthibodeau: allison or selena do you want to. 406 00:50:19.770 --> 00:50:20.670 robertthibodeau: Make the motion. 407 00:50:25.650 --> 00:50:26.790 Alyson Wilson: On that makes an auction. 408 00:50:28.140 --> 00:50:28.830 Jonathan Deer: House I get it. 409 00:50:32.010 --> 00:50:32.610 robertthibodeau: Okay. 410 00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.890 robertthibodeau: So I think we've had board discussion already we've had public discussion. 411 00:50:39.780 --> 00:50:40.860 robertthibodeau: So in how do you vote. 412 00:50:43.470 --> 00:50:46.380 Selena Inouye: I vote yes on the motion as amended by john. 413 00:50:47.640 --> 00:50:48.390 robertthibodeau: allison. 414 00:50:49.290 --> 00:50:50.010 Alyson Wilson: Yes, as well. 415 00:50:51.090 --> 00:50:52.170 robertthibodeau: I vote yes. 416 00:50:52.650 --> 00:50:53.430 Jonathan Deer: or no yes. 417 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.670 robertthibodeau: or 00 motion passes Amended motion passes. 418 00:51:00.750 --> 00:51:03.360 robertthibodeau: And I did pull this up, believe it or not. 419 00:51:05.070 --> 00:51:09.240 robertthibodeau: I think you know it's much longer, but it's actually what john and put together. 420 00:51:10.590 --> 00:51:11.460 robertthibodeau: right because. 421 00:51:12.750 --> 00:51:13.200 This is. 422 00:51:16.830 --> 00:51:18.060 robertthibodeau: I think this is the appeal. 423 00:51:19.830 --> 00:51:20.760 Steve Bradbury: yeah yes, that is. 424 00:51:21.270 --> 00:51:21.690 Okay. 425 00:51:23.070 --> 00:51:27.570 robertthibodeau: Steve this will go to the dnc. 426 00:51:29.520 --> 00:51:31.770 robertthibodeau: likely as a. 427 00:51:33.570 --> 00:51:34.380 robertthibodeau: What do you call it a. 428 00:51:35.490 --> 00:51:37.770 Jonathan Deer: 10 they are going to consent calendar. 429 00:51:37.800 --> 00:51:42.660 robertthibodeau: yeah likely going consent, but i'd show up at the meeting anyways and have. 430 00:51:43.950 --> 00:51:49.650 robertthibodeau: You know, have the same docs together, just in case it gets pulled off of consent, which it might. 431 00:51:50.250 --> 00:51:56.190 Jonathan Deer: Never and and you may want to bring these other people who are also active with you just so there's. 432 00:51:56.550 --> 00:51:58.380 robertthibodeau: or or have. 433 00:51:58.470 --> 00:52:07.830 robertthibodeau: Have a couple of support letters in your pocket meaning on your screen that you can pull up in case somebody asks you because honestly doubt that actually would have been I think comforted. 434 00:52:09.480 --> 00:52:26.220 robertthibodeau: Some of my co board people here if you add like you know, two or three letters of support sign that you could blink blink up on the screen and again, you should be on consent, in which case if there's not supposed to be sort of a discussion and hearing but. 435 00:52:27.810 --> 00:52:31.320 robertthibodeau: But if it gets pulled off consent and you should be ready to present. 436 00:52:31.950 --> 00:52:34.380 Steve Bradbury: It is when when is the next month next week. 437 00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:36.270 robertthibodeau: 33rd Tuesday of the month. 438 00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:40.050 Steve Bradbury: And Tuesday so be third Tuesday of March. 439 00:52:40.260 --> 00:52:51.360 robertthibodeau: yeah all notified gym that we want to get it on the agenda i'll be in touch with you an email they messed with the ABC on dates, this time around, so. 440 00:52:52.350 --> 00:53:11.400 robertthibodeau: There is a slight chance that it will not be heard on the third Tuesday this month, so I noticed that the Ad calm dates got pushed forward for some reason but i'll notify him i'll let him know that there's some emotions coming hopefully later tonight at latest tomorrow morning great. 441 00:53:11.880 --> 00:53:12.420 Steve Bradbury: alright. 442 00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:15.360 robertthibodeau: Thank you everyone and i'll keep you keep you informed thanks for. 443 00:53:15.420 --> 00:53:17.220 Steve Bradbury: bringing it to us, thank you very much, thank you very. 444 00:53:17.250 --> 00:53:18.450 Steve Bradbury: Much everybody appreciate it. 445 00:53:19.800 --> 00:53:24.600 robertthibodeau: Okay, so we're going to go back stop share. 446 00:53:25.980 --> 00:53:36.750 robertthibodeau: Share screen, I could we have another presenter on here, you know inbox text edit yes top white board. 447 00:53:37.890 --> 00:53:39.510 robertthibodeau: Agenda, etc. 448 00:53:41.790 --> 00:53:42.390 That come up. 449 00:54:03.600 --> 00:54:06.000 robertthibodeau: Sorry, to bring the agenda back up here. 450 00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:08.520 Agenda 451 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:15.060 robertthibodeau: Share okay thanks for bearing with me, can you guys see the agenda again. 452 00:54:19.980 --> 00:54:25.320 robertthibodeau: Yes, okay so um next we're going to go to. 453 00:54:27.930 --> 00:54:31.650 robertthibodeau: overnight parking and we have very. 454 00:54:32.670 --> 00:54:39.540 robertthibodeau: silly in he raised his hand very bear with me again for a second participants. 455 00:54:40.710 --> 00:54:43.290 robertthibodeau: Very allowed to talk. 456 00:54:44.790 --> 00:54:45.780 robertthibodeau: Here you are on. 457 00:54:47.970 --> 00:54:48.570 barry Cassilly: I you guys. 458 00:54:49.830 --> 00:55:00.780 barry Cassilly: um yeah I was trying to do here was a very simple, straightforward common sense motion related to parking. 459 00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:10.470 barry Cassilly: in Venice and having a very, very nominal limitation on that parking I personally am generally. 460 00:55:11.640 --> 00:55:22.140 barry Cassilly: Extremely opposed to permit parking almost in any form, but I think we can all agree that Tom what's happening on the streets in Venice um. 461 00:55:23.310 --> 00:55:25.890 barry Cassilly: constitutes nothing but an abuse. 462 00:55:27.690 --> 00:55:30.000 barry Cassilly: That I really I probably shouldn't characterize. 463 00:55:31.620 --> 00:55:34.470 barry Cassilly: So what the motion proposes to do is to have parking. 464 00:55:35.610 --> 00:55:42.000 barry Cassilly: When the beach is closed, so it will have no impact on access to the beach i'm. 465 00:55:43.380 --> 00:55:53.640 barry Cassilly: Limited between the hours of two in the morning to six in the morning to residents and their visitors, so you know, and if anybody had a guest over they give them a parking pass. 466 00:55:54.270 --> 00:56:15.390 barry Cassilly: Stick it in their car no problem on the motion doesn't say anything about who can be at the beach in a car any other hours um if someone is parked in Dennis who doesn't live here who isn't guest of anyone, they would have to leave between two and 6am. 467 00:56:16.560 --> 00:56:19.740 barry Cassilly: Nothing says they couldn't come back at 630 arm. 468 00:56:20.940 --> 00:56:24.840 barry Cassilly: And originally I thought that this should be coupled with. 469 00:56:26.580 --> 00:56:33.030 barry Cassilly: A viable safe parking and safe camping option that some people need in our area. 470 00:56:34.500 --> 00:56:38.940 barry Cassilly: I don't think that that's ever going to happen with our current Council person. 471 00:56:40.020 --> 00:56:43.020 barry Cassilly: I don't think he's interested in in real solutions. 472 00:56:44.340 --> 00:56:54.360 barry Cassilly: So I think that at this point i'd offer the motion a standalone motion without a conditions and i'd love to hear what the committee has to say. 473 00:56:56.790 --> 00:57:04.950 robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks for presenting and we're going to do, public comment first. 474 00:57:06.090 --> 00:57:07.260 robertthibodeau: So. 475 00:57:08.550 --> 00:57:10.620 robertthibodeau: attendees I see somebody's hand going up. 476 00:57:12.900 --> 00:57:17.310 robertthibodeau: Then let's get your hand as to unmute. 477 00:57:19.290 --> 00:57:20.520 robertthibodeau: clicking on you there Robin. 478 00:57:22.530 --> 00:57:24.270 robertthibodeau: You are you unmuted. 479 00:57:26.550 --> 00:57:27.390 Robin Rudisill: There now. 480 00:57:27.450 --> 00:57:29.070 robertthibodeau: There you go, you know you are yep. 481 00:57:29.310 --> 00:57:30.060 Robin Rudisill: Okay it's Robin. 482 00:57:31.110 --> 00:57:39.990 Robin Rudisill: i'm i'm confused about when the beach is closed, I just googled it really fast, and I think it says here midnight and 5am. 483 00:57:41.070 --> 00:57:54.600 Robin Rudisill: So i'm wondering if you purposely set it to 2am to be a little bit after that and Sam well anyway, I wondered how that related to the actual beach closure times. 484 00:57:56.850 --> 00:58:17.250 Robin Rudisill: And it seems to me that this was proposed before and because it would require a coastal development permit it didn't make it but i'm not sure i'm just remembering that vaguely so that's it just want to share that. 485 00:58:18.750 --> 00:58:26.250 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you i'm gonna mute you if you're done for now and Erica more we're going to put your. 486 00:58:27.900 --> 00:58:28.920 robertthibodeau: load talk. 487 00:58:29.400 --> 00:58:29.700 You got. 488 00:58:31.110 --> 00:58:32.610 robertthibodeau: You could be a little louder. 489 00:58:33.450 --> 00:58:34.650 Erica Moore: Okay, how about now. 490 00:58:34.830 --> 00:58:35.160 Better. 491 00:58:36.420 --> 00:58:36.720 robertthibodeau: Better. 492 00:58:36.750 --> 00:58:52.500 Erica Moore: Okay hey thanks so much, I just wanted to check in and say actually it was kind of not along with Robin just said, I was kind of wondering why you chose to am actually myself, because I would think maybe midnight, would be a little more appropriate but. 493 00:58:54.150 --> 00:59:03.600 Erica Moore: You know, but I think it's it's always about enforcement, I mean it's just like a last issue it's the same thing it's always about enforcement, you can have all the rules in the world. 494 00:59:03.930 --> 00:59:18.060 Erica Moore: All the laws and the rules, but if you have nobody to uphold them you're kind of you know, move so i'm really hoping that there will be a shift in that tie and that we will be able to have some enforcement on things that do exist already and it's kind of a. 495 00:59:19.740 --> 00:59:30.150 Erica Moore: Little frustrating to have to read to read ask for things that actually already exists it's a waste of everyone's time and I do appreciate you taking the time to do. 496 00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:35.610 robertthibodeau: i'm gonna mute you Erica. 497 00:59:38.970 --> 00:59:40.770 You got you. 498 00:59:41.850 --> 00:59:43.440 robertthibodeau: scroll down the list here. 499 00:59:44.490 --> 00:59:45.210 robertthibodeau: Okay. 500 00:59:49.140 --> 00:59:56.520 robertthibodeau: So I think that's it for public comment and do we have board comment for this you panelists. 501 01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:18.510 Alyson Wilson: i'd like just to address the issue of the hours those hours do align with the overnight oversized vehicle ordinance no overnight parking so I mean if there were going to be any hours, I think aligning with what the city already sanctioned is now without merit. 502 01:00:28.470 --> 01:00:29.010 robertthibodeau: Okay. 503 01:00:30.030 --> 01:00:32.460 robertthibodeau: yeah I guess that would be a question if. 504 01:00:33.990 --> 01:00:37.590 robertthibodeau: robbins thing of 5am is correct, I think. 505 01:00:38.970 --> 01:00:52.980 robertthibodeau: I don't think i'm going to speak for very for a second My guess is that Barry would not be concerned if it was 12 to five or two to six I don't think there's I think he was throwing that out there, because of the. 506 01:00:54.630 --> 01:01:01.830 robertthibodeau: Over overhead vehicles my thought would be to keep away from coast to Commission hours on the beach. 507 01:01:03.810 --> 01:01:07.140 robertthibodeau: And because you know, I think. 508 01:01:08.160 --> 01:01:22.830 robertthibodeau: The motion before for permit parking was stopped because of the beach access issues, and if we you know, maybe we should consider amending the hours here and shifting them to five instead of six but. 509 01:01:23.820 --> 01:01:29.250 robertthibodeau: that's assuming rob robbins read is correct, which I don't know exactly what the beach hours are. 510 01:01:32.130 --> 01:01:43.230 Alyson Wilson: yeah I don't either, and I do wonder about some people needing to get to work that early at like restaurants and such but it's worked so far with the overnight. 511 01:01:44.130 --> 01:01:55.230 Alyson Wilson: The oversized vehicle overnight parking sign, so I mean i'd be open either I just thought it was worthwhile to call out that that was an alignment of timing that seemed to work for the city on some level. 512 01:01:58.860 --> 01:02:00.240 robertthibodeau: Well, I mean. 513 01:02:01.680 --> 01:02:05.460 robertthibodeau: it's just speaking on the motion i'm gonna support the motion neither form. 514 01:02:06.720 --> 01:02:17.520 robertthibodeau: I think it's just you know i've in general in the past i've been against permit parking as well, but conditions are so out of control here and. 515 01:02:18.660 --> 01:02:22.170 robertthibodeau: Whether or not it falls on deaf ears and mean, at least from said something. 516 01:02:24.420 --> 01:02:26.400 robertthibodeau: And I think it's pretty reasonable ask. 517 01:02:27.480 --> 01:02:28.860 robertthibodeau: kind of give them what's going on. 518 01:02:30.660 --> 01:02:38.340 Jonathan Deer: I have some questions, it is I seem to recall, and maybe it was sprout up at the last meeting or somewhere along the line that. 519 01:02:40.140 --> 01:02:49.920 Jonathan Deer: Unlike the overhype vehicle ordinance this place is a burden on every person in Venice, I think you have to pay for. 520 01:02:50.790 --> 01:03:06.720 Jonathan Deer: Something in order to get something that indicates that you're a resident or a guest of a resident I don't think it's a fried process, so I think if we were to do this, we would be requiring every person that wants to park on a street in Venice. 521 01:03:07.950 --> 01:03:19.530 Jonathan Deer: To you know every resident to even in front of their own house to have to buy a permit and I don't know the cost of that or what kind of a burden that is so I. 522 01:03:21.180 --> 01:03:22.440 Jonathan Deer: definitely like to know that. 523 01:03:25.110 --> 01:03:25.950 Jonathan Deer: Does anybody know. 524 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:39.570 Jonathan Deer: So is selena selena disappeared from my screen but selena do you have any. 525 01:03:39.750 --> 01:03:41.610 robertthibodeau: Money still here, and she was shaking her head. 526 01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:49.140 robertthibodeau: And I can say that I do not know the cost of these things were if there is a cost, you know I don't know. 527 01:03:49.470 --> 01:03:52.080 Alyson Wilson: yeah that can be a tremendous revenue source. 528 01:03:52.080 --> 01:03:56.550 Alyson Wilson: For the city as well, so that's the other I don't know. 529 01:03:57.270 --> 01:04:10.890 Selena Inouye: My best guess is that it would probably be charged like a preferential parking district permit where you would have to pay for the permit for your vehicles and then you would have to purchase guest passes. 530 01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:27.060 Jonathan Deer: And do we do we know any idea what cost is because we're I mean, unlike the you know see I love the over height thing overnight because there's no burden on anyone and it just keeps campers from going on to our residential streets, you know so it's. 531 01:04:28.230 --> 01:04:35.730 Jonathan Deer: You know it's very effective, but this you know, this requires, as far as I know, everybody. 532 01:04:36.900 --> 01:04:39.990 Jonathan Deer: No matter how poor you are, if you want to park on the street overnight. 533 01:04:41.730 --> 01:04:44.850 Jonathan Deer: You have to buy a permanent and so and that's a problem for me. 534 01:04:49.260 --> 01:04:49.650 robertthibodeau: Okay. 535 01:04:51.210 --> 01:04:53.370 robertthibodeau: To hurts and frozen fruits and cons. 536 01:04:56.520 --> 01:04:59.190 robertthibodeau: I guess, we could add language into this that. 537 01:05:00.930 --> 01:05:01.950 robertthibodeau: You know. 538 01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.050 robertthibodeau: Costs somehow say something about costs costs related to the. 539 01:05:12.330 --> 01:05:13.740 robertthibodeau: resident parking permit. 540 01:05:15.990 --> 01:05:22.920 Selena Inouye: Actually, if you don't mind me interrupting I went to the La la do to website i'm. 541 01:05:24.180 --> 01:05:30.120 Selena Inouye: A preferential parking permit the annual permit is $34 per year. 542 01:05:32.610 --> 01:05:34.800 Selena Inouye: Of visitor permit is. 543 01:05:36.600 --> 01:05:43.770 Selena Inouye: And it's only good for four months and you're limited to a maximum of two visitor permits. 544 01:05:44.850 --> 01:05:55.950 Selena Inouye: And then there's a guest permit that costs 250 a day and that's unlimited but it looks like. 545 01:05:59.070 --> 01:06:09.570 Selena Inouye: A second they also have something called an overnight parking permit fee schedule and that's Oh, I think this is what we're talking about Okay, they apparently they have two different programs. 546 01:06:10.680 --> 01:06:29.760 Selena Inouye: The overnight parking permit annually is $15 per year, the visitor permit is $10 per four months you get a maximum of two permits and then the guests permit is $1 per day and a maximum of 25 permits per day. 547 01:06:31.020 --> 01:06:36.150 Selena Inouye: If you allow me to share the screen, I can go up, if you like, does. 548 01:06:36.570 --> 01:06:46.230 Jonathan Deer: selena doesn't say on there, how how somebody gets the permits do they can you get it online, for example, or do you have to go to the city and get your permits or. 549 01:06:47.640 --> 01:06:54.900 Selena Inouye: You can do it online the screen I click to get to this fee schedule was to apply online for the permits. 550 01:07:07.410 --> 01:07:09.210 Selena Inouye: Although there is an option. 551 01:07:09.570 --> 01:07:15.690 robertthibodeau: I I made you a Co host Lena so you should be able to, hopefully, you have a green share button there somewhere now. 552 01:07:16.200 --> 01:07:16.500 Okay. 553 01:07:20.100 --> 01:07:22.320 robertthibodeau: And sorry I was telling you that will be muted. 554 01:07:24.810 --> 01:07:29.190 Selena Inouye: um okay so here's the the website. 555 01:07:30.540 --> 01:07:33.630 Selena Inouye: For parking permits for la do it. 556 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:50.370 Selena Inouye: And it looks like you could do it either online or in person, I guess, if you need the permits right away, you would do it in person. 557 01:07:51.120 --> 01:08:03.510 Selena Inouye: And then up at the top, you see, where it says overnight parking permit I think that's what we're talking about versus the preferential parking so this would only apply for vehicles parked at night. 558 01:08:05.340 --> 01:08:06.330 Selena Inouye: And then. 559 01:08:07.470 --> 01:08:20.790 Selena Inouye: As I scroll down you see there's the there's the link for apply for new permits online apply in person and then i'm going to click this link here that says fee schedules. 560 01:08:21.990 --> 01:08:25.380 Selena Inouye: And that's the fee schedule table that I just quoted you. 561 01:08:26.820 --> 01:08:37.230 Selena Inouye: And this again this is led ot website so it looks like they're set up to do this um if we pass this motion, I think this is what we're asking for. 562 01:08:44.610 --> 01:08:46.740 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you um. 563 01:08:48.600 --> 01:08:52.920 robertthibodeau: So john does this alleviate some of your concerns. 564 01:08:53.040 --> 01:08:53.580 Jonathan Deer: Yes. 565 01:08:53.880 --> 01:08:57.240 robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks for doing the detective work so that was. 566 01:08:57.300 --> 01:09:04.380 Selena Inouye: Okay, and i'll send the link to everyone um so that you can review this outside of the meeting to. 567 01:09:04.890 --> 01:09:06.030 Selena Inouye: Go ahead and stop sharing. 568 01:09:06.120 --> 01:09:06.480 What. 569 01:09:09.600 --> 01:09:10.950 robertthibodeau: Barry this and. 570 01:09:12.510 --> 01:09:20.430 robertthibodeau: If this passes our boat and goes on to the b&c it would be good to have this at your fingertips Barry because I think. 571 01:09:22.620 --> 01:09:25.110 robertthibodeau: it's good information to have and. 572 01:09:25.170 --> 01:09:26.190 barry Cassilly: Am I love to talk. 573 01:09:27.210 --> 01:09:28.590 robertthibodeau: Would you like to say something else. 574 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:36.990 barry Cassilly: No, I think that these are great suggestions and I think this is what we're we're we're would be trying to do. 575 01:09:38.190 --> 01:09:46.620 barry Cassilly: If I made a mistake about when the beaches officially closed, I do think that I should adjust the hours because um. 576 01:09:47.760 --> 01:10:03.390 barry Cassilly: There might be a discussion with coastal Commission there might not um they haven't wanted to weigh in in the coastal zone about the over hyped parking restrictions that like more and more blocks have in place right now i'm. 577 01:10:04.890 --> 01:10:21.930 barry Cassilly: At, but I think the minute we we step one minute over whatever beach that the between the beast was open, I think we have a problem, so if robins write about it being opening at five, I think the restriction that it should end up. 578 01:10:23.970 --> 01:10:26.910 robertthibodeau: Some want to change this motion to five and. 579 01:10:29.580 --> 01:10:40.380 Jonathan Deer: I have a suggestion just maybe say from you know, two hours after the beach closes to an hour before the beach opens now we it's bulletproof. 580 01:10:42.630 --> 01:10:43.770 Jonathan Deer: guess that when the beach. 581 01:10:43.950 --> 01:10:44.670 Jonathan Deer: opens or not. 582 01:10:45.060 --> 01:10:47.970 barry Cassilly: If robbins right, that would be from to tell. 583 01:10:49.470 --> 01:10:50.220 barry Cassilly: US for. 584 01:10:51.030 --> 01:10:51.660 Jonathan Deer: Does that. 585 01:10:51.690 --> 01:10:54.120 Jonathan Deer: Does that do it for you or is that is that not enough. 586 01:10:54.660 --> 01:11:04.770 barry Cassilly: I think that's not quite enough okay um I think you need at least I mean yeah i'd like it to be as nominal as possible, I think, practically speaking, you need like three or four hours. 587 01:11:06.690 --> 01:11:07.080 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 588 01:11:07.410 --> 01:11:09.090 robertthibodeau: So, shall we keep the two to six. 589 01:11:11.160 --> 01:11:15.480 barry Cassilly: Why don't we just change it to one to five, I don't think both of them are fine, just to be safe. 590 01:11:16.080 --> 01:11:20.340 Alyson Wilson: or bars open until two i'm not fun enough to know personally but i'm going to. 591 01:11:20.700 --> 01:11:21.900 Jonathan Deer: be concerned about. 592 01:11:22.110 --> 01:11:23.760 robertthibodeau: Cross my mind to and I wasn't sure. 593 01:11:24.570 --> 01:11:24.870 barry Cassilly: Okay. 594 01:11:24.900 --> 01:11:29.040 barry Cassilly: Well let's make it let's make it two to five them let's just be as safe as possible. 595 01:11:30.630 --> 01:11:32.160 robertthibodeau: What do you guys think two to five. 596 01:11:34.860 --> 01:11:41.640 Jonathan Deer: So we're actually going to ticket people in a commercial district at 2pm if their cars on the street. 597 01:11:43.170 --> 01:11:44.280 Jonathan Deer: that's what we're asking for. 598 01:11:45.570 --> 01:11:47.880 robertthibodeau: Well, I think this is for commercial and residential. 599 01:11:48.030 --> 01:11:55.920 Jonathan Deer: know I know residential makes a lot of sense i'm just just want to be clear on you know what we're what we're saying. 600 01:11:57.000 --> 01:12:05.070 Jonathan Deer: or asking for so we're saying that on Abbot kinney a car that's on the street at 2pm gets that's ticketed in front of. 601 01:12:05.820 --> 01:12:11.430 robertthibodeau: that's that's actually true of the public lots behind Abbot kinney right now they're closed from two to six. 602 01:12:11.730 --> 01:12:12.120 Jonathan Deer: And so. 603 01:12:12.660 --> 01:12:13.680 Selena Inouye: i'm i'm sorry. 604 01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:15.060 Selena Inouye: Can I. 605 01:12:15.270 --> 01:12:17.760 Selena Inouye: bring up the led yo te website. 606 01:12:17.790 --> 01:12:21.600 Selena Inouye: And it shows what hours they consider the overnight permits for. 607 01:12:22.170 --> 01:12:26.250 Selena Inouye: Sure, I wanted to find that additional piece of information for us. 608 01:12:27.480 --> 01:12:27.930 Selena Inouye: um. 609 01:12:28.980 --> 01:12:37.980 Selena Inouye: I hope you can see, this is the overnight parking district permit in the hours is between 2am and 6am. 610 01:12:38.010 --> 01:12:39.660 robertthibodeau: let's stick with the two to six and. 611 01:12:39.990 --> 01:12:57.060 robertthibodeau: And yeah like were written and that's I mean you guys are right, I don't forget to set it for was barrier john but they coastal hasn't protested our overhead vehicle stuff maybe they don't know about it, but they haven't protested that so. 612 01:12:58.620 --> 01:13:01.980 robertthibodeau: Maybe we should just leave it at two to six and just see what applies. 613 01:13:03.270 --> 01:13:03.960 barry Cassilly: sounds good to me. 614 01:13:06.690 --> 01:13:07.380 robertthibodeau: i'm. 615 01:13:08.040 --> 01:13:08.550 not sure I. 616 01:13:10.110 --> 01:13:18.270 Alyson Wilson: Think about just this is a topic for discussion and feel free to say like let's not complicated at this juncture, because this is a little bit of a. 617 01:13:18.900 --> 01:13:29.910 Alyson Wilson: Maybe more of a statement and a moonshot than an actual program that we're designing right now i'd support for what it's worth but with overnight parking that came with some. 618 01:13:31.980 --> 01:13:40.950 Alyson Wilson: Some requirement that residents get two thirds of the signatures on their block, so there was a sense of buy in and an area, and I was it allowed it, I believe, to. 619 01:13:42.000 --> 01:13:49.980 Alyson Wilson: To go through without you know the concerns that there were voices that weren't hurt who didn't want this to happen in their area. 620 01:13:51.090 --> 01:13:59.310 Alyson Wilson: I think if we want to take this seriously, it might be worth considering, creating an opt in rather than a blanket Program. 621 01:14:01.140 --> 01:14:02.280 barry Cassilly: I think that's a great idea. 622 01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:12.780 Alyson Wilson: I mean, I did the signatures on our block from i'm in North Venice and we went from Pacific to ocean and back again and. 623 01:14:13.590 --> 01:14:23.580 Alyson Wilson: takes a few days, but you know generally the the street agreed about what it wanted and it felt like it stock and then there was awareness of what was going on to at the end of the Program. 624 01:14:26.670 --> 01:14:31.320 barry Cassilly: I think that's an existing I think that's an existing city requirement for getting overnight parking. 625 01:14:33.450 --> 01:14:39.180 Alyson Wilson: So that would be you believe that that would be baked in because this this I don't have motion in front of me now but. 626 01:14:40.560 --> 01:14:44.850 Alyson Wilson: That seems like it might be something worth mentioning I don't. 627 01:14:46.170 --> 01:14:49.350 Alyson Wilson: think it really spoke of fat, it just like a Venice wide. 628 01:14:51.240 --> 01:14:56.970 Jonathan Deer: I like that suggestion a lot that makes me a lot more comfortable personally saying yes. 629 01:14:59.880 --> 01:15:00.630 robertthibodeau: We. 630 01:15:01.740 --> 01:15:06.390 robertthibodeau: Once again kind of slightly rewrite this motion, adding a set sentence at the beginning, saying. 631 01:15:07.800 --> 01:15:08.700 robertthibodeau: An opt in. 632 01:15:10.230 --> 01:15:12.000 Jonathan Deer: yeah let's let's see. 633 01:15:14.490 --> 01:15:15.300 Jonathan Deer: let's take a look. 634 01:15:16.320 --> 01:15:27.900 Jonathan Deer: Right now says motion to limit parking in the Venice coastal zone to residents and their guests between the hours of 2am and 6am motion to allow residents. 635 01:15:29.700 --> 01:15:32.280 Jonathan Deer: Well, residents to opt. 636 01:15:33.420 --> 01:15:34.050 Jonathan Deer: In. 637 01:15:35.460 --> 01:15:37.560 Jonathan Deer: To limited. 638 01:15:38.970 --> 01:15:46.440 Jonathan Deer: To limit parking in the Venice coastal zone, not to let it go our residents of Venice. 639 01:15:50.130 --> 01:15:54.540 Jonathan Deer: And why are we limiting it to the coastal zone, how is that helpful to the motion. 640 01:15:57.180 --> 01:15:57.840 barry Cassilly: um. 641 01:15:58.980 --> 01:16:00.120 barry Cassilly: I guess this not take it out. 642 01:16:01.410 --> 01:16:04.380 barry Cassilly: Okay, if people if people nice people nice Venice should have the. 643 01:16:05.490 --> 01:16:07.170 barry Cassilly: option of opting in as well. 644 01:16:13.380 --> 01:16:13.860 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 645 01:16:15.240 --> 01:16:17.730 Jonathan Deer: let's see motion to allow let's see. 646 01:16:20.280 --> 01:16:26.280 Jonathan Deer: So, so what, what are we, what are we asking of who we just have to craft this more a little bit more like emotion. 647 01:16:29.760 --> 01:16:34.440 Jonathan Deer: Are we asking the city to create a program or to. 648 01:16:36.120 --> 01:16:37.260 Jonathan Deer: Robert what's your thought. 649 01:16:38.550 --> 01:16:39.000 robertthibodeau: I think. 650 01:16:47.100 --> 01:16:48.960 robertthibodeau: we're asking to allow. 651 01:16:50.070 --> 01:16:50.850 robertthibodeau: For. 652 01:16:53.010 --> 01:16:58.140 robertthibodeau: opt in preferential parking between the hours, two and six. 653 01:16:59.160 --> 01:16:59.760 robertthibodeau: or. 654 01:17:01.860 --> 01:17:03.060 robertthibodeau: When its residents. 655 01:17:04.200 --> 01:17:20.400 Jonathan Deer: And who are we asking though that's you know, we want to, you know as, as we know, we we as a committee, just recommended the dnc and all they can do is recommend to somebody else or request from somebody else so who are we requesting this of. 656 01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:21.060 Jonathan Deer: You know. 657 01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:21.390 He. 658 01:17:22.470 --> 01:17:23.970 Jonathan Deer: Okay, so let's see. 659 01:17:25.620 --> 01:17:26.610 Jonathan Deer: let's see. 660 01:17:34.320 --> 01:17:46.950 Jonathan Deer: let's see how about motion to request that the B and C, send a letter asking the D O T to create a program. 661 01:17:49.710 --> 01:17:53.040 Jonathan Deer: To allow residents Venice. 662 01:17:54.720 --> 01:17:57.450 Jonathan Deer: to opt in to. 663 01:18:01.350 --> 01:18:02.220 Jonathan Deer: To limit. 664 01:18:04.350 --> 01:18:06.780 Jonathan Deer: parking in Venice. 665 01:18:10.500 --> 01:18:26.730 Jonathan Deer: To residents and their guests between the hours of 2am and 6am and is that is that called is that called restricted parking or what it was what's the term for that I forget. 666 01:18:27.150 --> 01:18:28.290 robertthibodeau: The selena had the. 667 01:18:29.790 --> 01:18:30.840 robertthibodeau: Preferential parking. 668 01:18:31.170 --> 01:18:33.150 robertthibodeau: Preferential treatment. 669 01:18:33.210 --> 01:18:36.450 Selena Inouye: actually now it's the overnight parking permit Program. 670 01:18:36.840 --> 01:18:37.320 Okay. 671 01:18:39.330 --> 01:18:39.750 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 672 01:18:40.140 --> 01:18:45.360 Jonathan Deer: So let's, let me just rephrase it this way to emotion, to request that deviancy send a letter. 673 01:18:47.850 --> 01:18:50.820 Jonathan Deer: and asking the do teacher create a program. 674 01:18:52.350 --> 01:18:58.890 Jonathan Deer: To allow residents of Venice to opt into overnight parking permit. 675 01:19:02.610 --> 01:19:11.670 Jonathan Deer: that's into limit let's see opt into the overnight permit parking program which. 676 01:19:14.340 --> 01:19:16.440 Jonathan Deer: will limit parking and. 677 01:19:18.810 --> 01:19:26.190 Jonathan Deer: pocketed in areas of Venice to residents and their guests between the hours of 2am and 6am. 678 01:19:27.630 --> 01:19:28.620 Jonathan Deer: Let me read that again. 679 01:19:29.550 --> 01:19:38.940 Alyson Wilson: i'd love to add something to it before you read it again I think you're doing making awesome progress great job, I wonder if, at the end, we can talk about opting in at a sentence to say. 680 01:19:39.420 --> 01:19:55.110 Alyson Wilson: Opting in you know happens on a block by block basis are opting in would by block be you know require to third signature success like to frame what the segment is and the frame what it will quiet what's required. 681 01:19:56.130 --> 01:19:57.030 Alyson Wilson: For the opt in. 682 01:20:01.440 --> 01:20:02.580 Jonathan Deer: But Robert. 683 01:20:03.630 --> 01:20:08.190 robertthibodeau: Also block by block and then two thirds signatures required or something like that. 684 01:20:10.860 --> 01:20:13.170 robertthibodeau: So your spot, you can insert that that. 685 01:20:13.230 --> 01:20:16.350 Jonathan Deer: sure that works for me anybody else have any feelings otherwise. 686 01:20:17.490 --> 01:20:19.200 robertthibodeau: i'm going to support it okay. 687 01:20:19.380 --> 01:20:31.770 Alyson Wilson: Oh, and I think it's important to require two thirds signatures by address rather than by resident there's eight people living in a House you don't need two thirds of them to sign it's it's one signature for address. 688 01:20:32.490 --> 01:20:34.020 Jonathan Deer: Okay, so let's say. 689 01:20:34.080 --> 01:20:36.690 robertthibodeau: Okay, so then brokenness someone who's going through the process. 690 01:20:37.200 --> 01:20:40.110 Alyson Wilson: Twice they took it away what so we really got it down the second. 691 01:20:41.250 --> 01:20:46.650 Jonathan Deer: would be by two thirds of the signatures. 692 01:20:48.960 --> 01:20:53.730 Jonathan Deer: On a block or two thirds of the signatures. 693 01:20:54.930 --> 01:20:56.760 Jonathan Deer: One signature of her. 694 01:20:58.230 --> 01:21:02.910 Jonathan Deer: or residents or or is for businesses to right. 695 01:21:03.330 --> 01:21:03.780 Alyson Wilson: mm hmm. 696 01:21:04.800 --> 01:21:07.140 Jonathan Deer: For property. 697 01:21:07.770 --> 01:21:08.250 Jonathan Deer: address. 698 01:21:08.730 --> 01:21:09.780 Jonathan Deer: Her address right. 699 01:21:09.810 --> 01:21:14.370 Alyson Wilson: So you want it, you want each apartment or unit to have a signature to. 700 01:21:14.490 --> 01:21:20.010 Jonathan Deer: write out to two thirds the signatures one signature for address. 701 01:21:21.300 --> 01:21:25.170 Jonathan Deer: On a block by block basis. 702 01:21:28.770 --> 01:21:31.470 Jonathan Deer: Does that work and i'll be i'll just read it again let's see. 703 01:21:32.910 --> 01:21:39.510 Jonathan Deer: Opting in would be by two thirds of the signatures one signature per dress on a block by block basis. 704 01:21:42.120 --> 01:21:43.410 robertthibodeau: So it's pretty smooth. 705 01:21:44.250 --> 01:21:48.210 Alyson Wilson: They accepted it before, so this we're just working within their parameters. 706 01:21:50.970 --> 01:21:53.520 robertthibodeau: Okay, so there's someone on make the motion here. 707 01:21:54.360 --> 01:21:55.890 Alyson Wilson: i'll make the motion to approve. 708 01:21:57.330 --> 01:22:02.490 Jonathan Deer: You want a second selena do you want me to you want you i'm beyond something since I second and something. 709 01:22:03.030 --> 01:22:03.930 Selena Inouye: I can second it. 710 01:22:06.030 --> 01:22:07.890 robertthibodeau: Okay, so. 711 01:22:09.540 --> 01:22:10.140 robertthibodeau: john. 712 01:22:11.070 --> 01:22:13.440 robertthibodeau: Yes, allison. 713 01:22:13.740 --> 01:22:15.120 robertthibodeau: Yes, selena. 714 01:22:15.450 --> 01:22:19.230 robertthibodeau: Yes, and i'm a yes got 400. 715 01:22:21.030 --> 01:22:24.060 robertthibodeau: Okay, good good work Barry, thank you for presenting. 716 01:22:27.210 --> 01:22:27.960 robertthibodeau: OK. 717 01:22:29.220 --> 01:22:30.510 robertthibodeau: And now. 718 01:22:32.250 --> 01:22:36.150 robertthibodeau: Moving on to I believe the link and fast forward. 719 01:22:39.090 --> 01:22:43.470 robertthibodeau: which you have to allow me for one second here. 720 01:22:45.210 --> 01:22:45.690 So. 721 01:22:48.480 --> 01:22:49.170 robertthibodeau: We have. 722 01:22:51.600 --> 01:22:57.330 robertthibodeau: Evan Corrigan who, unfortunately, had a delayed plane flight and he was going to. 723 01:22:58.770 --> 01:23:00.180 robertthibodeau: present this. 724 01:23:18.840 --> 01:23:19.320 me. 725 01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:28.050 robertthibodeau: Go to. 726 01:23:33.810 --> 01:23:35.550 Jonathan Deer: Are you trying to bring up his slideshow. 727 01:23:36.060 --> 01:23:42.840 Jonathan Deer: yeah I think I might have it right here, let me see I was looking at it just before we got on, let me see. 728 01:23:44.190 --> 01:23:48.090 Jonathan Deer: I got it I do if you have a better way to do it i'm gonna. 729 01:23:51.600 --> 01:23:54.570 Share I don't know if I beat you to it but. 730 01:23:57.780 --> 01:24:01.530 robertthibodeau: Okay So hopefully you guys can see my screen. 731 01:24:05.190 --> 01:24:06.180 and 732 01:24:10.980 --> 01:24:13.080 robertthibodeau: Can you guys see the link and fast forward thing. 733 01:24:13.860 --> 01:24:16.410 robertthibodeau: Yes, okay so. 734 01:24:17.730 --> 01:24:21.420 robertthibodeau: We talked about the link and fast forward, most of the. 735 01:24:23.280 --> 01:24:30.000 robertthibodeau: You know everybody's in favor of the traffic safety steps so that's pedestrian safety really. 736 01:24:31.590 --> 01:24:32.310 robertthibodeau: But uh. 737 01:24:33.750 --> 01:24:39.930 robertthibodeau: The main concern seem to be that they were going to do, major work on Lincoln boulevard with no aesthetic improvements. 738 01:24:41.730 --> 01:24:56.190 robertthibodeau: So we had a couple of interested Community members margo and Evan in particular who work to canvas both existing conditions on Lincoln and. 739 01:24:57.750 --> 01:24:58.350 robertthibodeau: And then. 740 01:25:00.240 --> 01:25:01.080 robertthibodeau: propose. 741 01:25:04.260 --> 01:25:07.050 robertthibodeau: propose a sort of aesthetic. 742 01:25:07.200 --> 01:25:09.570 robertthibodeau: beautification scheme involving. 743 01:25:10.080 --> 01:25:12.210 robertthibodeau: tree planting and. 744 01:25:14.070 --> 01:25:15.180 robertthibodeau: Other aesthetic. 745 01:25:16.590 --> 01:25:18.510 robertthibodeau: Improvements along the boulevard. 746 01:25:21.000 --> 01:25:32.430 robertthibodeau: So proposal review repaving we organizing linking bill Byrne Lincoln fast forward presents an opportunity to add greenham it's my walk ability and further increase commuter safety. 747 01:25:33.900 --> 01:25:34.530 robertthibodeau: So. 748 01:25:35.550 --> 01:25:36.360 robertthibodeau: The. 749 01:25:38.040 --> 01:25:38.580 robertthibodeau: three. 750 01:25:40.380 --> 01:25:50.070 robertthibodeau: main components of this are using opportunities, where there's no luck to enter in lanes in the Center as a raised median planted. 751 01:25:51.780 --> 01:25:53.190 robertthibodeau: sidewalk planters. 752 01:25:53.820 --> 01:25:56.640 robertthibodeau: Some of those would be maybe new and some would be. 753 01:25:58.140 --> 01:26:03.600 robertthibodeau: Existing that are i've had the trees cut down and the plants dead. 754 01:26:05.520 --> 01:26:08.190 robertthibodeau: So here we have visual. 755 01:26:09.990 --> 01:26:10.560 robertthibodeau: Very. 756 01:26:12.420 --> 01:26:13.590 robertthibodeau: increasing safety. 757 01:26:17.400 --> 01:26:24.600 robertthibodeau: Find streets though vehicles leading walkability through tree canopy other green architecture. 758 01:26:26.850 --> 01:26:36.750 robertthibodeau: But you guys read that stuff produce urban heat island effect increase ground permeability and peace habitat biodiversity decrease meter streets. 759 01:26:38.700 --> 01:26:44.340 robertthibodeau: On several more pleasant increasing number of people on sidewalks okay. 760 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:49.740 robertthibodeau: mood board So these are just sort of general images of. 761 01:26:51.720 --> 01:26:54.900 robertthibodeau: streets that have been improved in such a way. 762 01:26:56.100 --> 01:26:57.660 robertthibodeau: And then we've got an. 763 01:27:00.090 --> 01:27:16.020 robertthibodeau: overview, so the lake and fast forward for those of you who aren't familiar goes from Commonwealth currently down to Venice boulevard is not currently planned for Venice boulevard to Washington, although I suspect, at some point in time, it will extend all the way to the airport. 764 01:27:18.870 --> 01:27:21.210 robertthibodeau: And this is really what we're talking about so. 765 01:27:22.620 --> 01:27:24.900 robertthibodeau: I think the point of this is to. 766 01:27:26.250 --> 01:27:35.460 robertthibodeau: For this to the counsel's office and or if their support within the parking transportation and if their support within the dnc. 767 01:27:36.480 --> 01:27:41.100 robertthibodeau: To support this as sort of a conceptual plan to. 768 01:27:42.900 --> 01:27:45.450 robertthibodeau: To get aesthetic improvements on Lincoln so we could look. 769 01:27:47.160 --> 01:27:48.450 robertthibodeau: And this is. 770 01:27:49.740 --> 01:27:53.190 robertthibodeau: Alec who unfortunately couldn't make tonight's meeting, although he was invited. 771 01:27:54.900 --> 01:27:59.640 robertthibodeau: To get him sort of backing us with caltrans seems reticent for this. 772 01:28:01.590 --> 01:28:04.380 robertthibodeau: So we've got various different sort of. 773 01:28:05.460 --> 01:28:14.850 robertthibodeau: canopy trees, I believe the blower existing I think the green or or added or replaced in existing boxes and then areas of the median. 774 01:28:15.870 --> 01:28:20.700 robertthibodeau: That are not currently used for love to entering lanes and Center planners. 775 01:28:22.140 --> 01:28:22.560 oops. 776 01:28:25.290 --> 01:28:26.400 robertthibodeau: California. 777 01:28:30.360 --> 01:28:36.690 robertthibodeau: helpful, you know we we do row so to get a lot of trees in the walk streets folks. 778 01:28:38.340 --> 01:28:40.170 robertthibodeau: Emerson seal. 779 01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:43.260 robertthibodeau: And thank you so. 780 01:28:45.210 --> 01:28:52.350 robertthibodeau: um and then yeah so I haven't sat here to present, but I know a lot of work was done on this and. 781 01:28:54.570 --> 01:29:05.130 robertthibodeau: I don't know if we wait for having to come back before we make some sort of motion to either support this plan of greening Lincoln boulevard and what that motion would look like, or if we wait till he comes back i'm happy to do. 782 01:29:05.610 --> 01:29:09.900 robertthibodeau: Whatever well let's get some public comment, so I guess, we have participants here. 783 01:29:11.220 --> 01:29:11.760 robertthibodeau: whoops. 784 01:29:11.820 --> 01:29:13.740 Selena Inouye: Participants where did you go. 785 01:29:17.430 --> 01:29:27.600 robertthibodeau: To participants race chance yet i'm trying to get you guys Evan is here Evan my man you showed up all right let's talk for a second talk. 786 01:29:30.270 --> 01:29:30.840 robertthibodeau: you're on. 787 01:29:32.070 --> 01:29:36.270 Evan Corrigan: hey i'm still in my way back from the airport, but um. 788 01:29:37.710 --> 01:29:43.920 Evan Corrigan: yeah so you know going to the last Lincoln pass for meeting and thanks for. 789 01:29:46.290 --> 01:29:46.860 Evan Corrigan: You know they're going to. 790 01:29:48.180 --> 01:29:50.670 Evan Corrigan: Only manage certain times. 791 01:29:53.370 --> 01:29:54.360 Evan Corrigan: and tough. 792 01:29:56.070 --> 01:29:57.480 Evan Corrigan: And a lot of people are frustrated. 793 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:04.680 Evan Corrigan: generally about possibly the lack of parking for those businesses like key hours. 794 01:30:05.910 --> 01:30:08.910 Evan Corrigan: And I think a lot of people on. 795 01:30:11.790 --> 01:30:28.110 Evan Corrigan: linkedin you know, lack of aesthetics and trees and things that make it, you know stress free and more walkable and I know people like me i've worked hard over the last year to kind of work on that specific man like even the word. 796 01:30:31.260 --> 01:30:44.250 Evan Corrigan: Together, Robert margo I think went out to and took some notes on certain crop cross sections of this one mile stretch when they're planning Lincoln fast food. 797 01:30:45.330 --> 01:30:46.950 Evan Corrigan: And I think we all. 798 01:30:48.300 --> 01:30:55.920 Evan Corrigan: notice a lot of herbes that our sandbox that could be kind of a lot of existing planters. 799 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:04.290 Evan Corrigan: That you know, had tree stumps and i'm lucky we planted and then also needs a really long sentence. 800 01:31:05.940 --> 01:31:11.340 Evan Corrigan: With no left hand turn lanes and I can also serve as planters. 801 01:31:12.390 --> 01:31:14.130 Evan Corrigan: And you know. 802 01:31:15.150 --> 01:31:22.350 Evan Corrigan: addition to improving aesthetics, a lot of this kind of falls into the transportation. 803 01:31:24.210 --> 01:31:24.780 Evan Corrigan: purview. 804 01:31:26.970 --> 01:31:28.950 Evan Corrigan: I just pulled these stats from. 805 01:31:31.590 --> 01:31:32.640 Evan Corrigan: Some resources. 806 01:31:34.050 --> 01:31:37.560 Evan Corrigan: partnerships with them for service EPA. 807 01:31:38.580 --> 01:31:43.830 Evan Corrigan: And these are all things will look good health and safety. 808 01:31:44.940 --> 01:31:54.120 Evan Corrigan: walkability hopefully help people want to walk down Lincoln boulevard in and visit those businesses on that bus things in effect. 809 01:31:56.280 --> 01:31:56.850 Evan Corrigan: So yeah. 810 01:32:01.260 --> 01:32:04.380 Evan Corrigan: You know if you have any questions I can can feel those. 811 01:32:09.630 --> 01:32:17.100 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you and I hope I I didn't stumble too badly, through it, but um thanks for hopping on the call and your drive home. 812 01:32:18.630 --> 01:32:20.100 robertthibodeau: More has her hand up so. 813 01:32:20.100 --> 01:32:27.750 robertthibodeau: let's let's set Erica have her say you're Erica you should be allowed to talk here. 814 01:32:30.960 --> 01:32:33.600 robertthibodeau: Erica Erica you gotta unmute. 815 01:32:34.380 --> 01:32:38.430 Erica Moore: Okay, there we go sorry I was having a technical technical issue. 816 01:32:39.630 --> 01:32:48.870 Erica Moore: um you know Thank you so much for taking the time to really work on bringing this i'm not a fan of this project for a lot of reasons. 817 01:32:49.620 --> 01:32:59.400 Erica Moore: And I at least appreciate that you're trying to make it less painful like making a greener i'm curious about how what the watery plan is for these plants. 818 01:33:00.300 --> 01:33:17.910 Erica Moore: How is that going to be handled right now there are trees, you know that are owned by the city that are not being water along Venice boulevard and so i'm concerned about who is going to be wandering and caring for these for water system or what what's that going to be about and. 819 01:33:18.990 --> 01:33:32.640 Erica Moore: And I really wish that they would that they would look at this project now that pokemon is not happening and re evaluate what the traffic is like and and those hours because it's quite different than it was when they evaluated. 820 01:33:34.110 --> 01:33:45.000 Erica Moore: So it does affect those businesses and it's it's a it's a parking lot on this I don't know how they are gonna have this bustling happy, but anyways Thank you so much. 821 01:33:46.650 --> 01:33:48.060 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you Erica. 822 01:33:49.080 --> 01:33:52.680 robertthibodeau: And then, Daniel has to stand up so we're going to go to Daniel now. 823 01:33:54.120 --> 01:33:55.950 robertthibodeau: You should be allowed to talk yep. 824 01:33:56.250 --> 01:34:10.140 Daniel: hi I think you just as daniel's oxegen this is interesting seeing this i've been on like in quite a lot in the last year i'm just curious what dictated this design is this just an initial. 825 01:34:10.710 --> 01:34:18.870 Daniel: shot at it and, like what dictates the Left turn like where the lights would be those streets i'm always put on millwood. 826 01:34:19.410 --> 01:34:32.940 Daniel: I see there's no light there it's like literally war to get on to Lincoln from there i'm like how that yeah that's My main question where the lights would be if that's part of that I just saw what Robert was putting up and looking at. 827 01:34:35.370 --> 01:34:39.990 robertthibodeau: Okay, so i'm going to turn you off for a second here, Daniel. 828 01:34:44.760 --> 01:34:45.210 robertthibodeau: let's. 829 01:34:46.800 --> 01:35:06.900 robertthibodeau: let's go to board comment and then, if we want to get Evan back on if he's still available, he can maybe answer a few questions as to like what what the Center I think that Daniels question had to do with how he identified the Center things and I think I could answer that if Evan. 830 01:35:08.370 --> 01:35:13.800 robertthibodeau: can't but let's do Ford comment here for so. 831 01:35:14.970 --> 01:35:16.140 robertthibodeau: Shall we start with john. 832 01:35:19.170 --> 01:35:24.060 Jonathan Deer: Sure, what are we being asked to take some action on this, or is this for information. 833 01:35:24.960 --> 01:35:31.620 robertthibodeau: Right now, I don't think we have a formal motion attached with this, I think it would be to support, we could call it the green plan. 834 01:35:33.240 --> 01:35:42.900 robertthibodeau: associated with I can fast forward and then attach this presentation to it something like that, if we did want to take the motion tonight, there is a question that I have, though. 835 01:35:44.970 --> 01:35:46.290 robertthibodeau: Can I step on you, for a second john. 836 01:35:46.410 --> 01:35:46.860 Jonathan Deer: Go ahead. 837 01:35:46.980 --> 01:35:52.470 robertthibodeau: i'll come back let's go um my question is is one thing that was also discussed was. 838 01:35:53.790 --> 01:36:09.180 robertthibodeau: Potentially because they're taking away commercial parking on Lincoln during peak hours it's not a ton of hours, but it is kind of could be critical hours for some of the smaller businesses was to also look at. 839 01:36:11.280 --> 01:36:23.040 robertthibodeau: metering the first space or two on the adjacent residential street, but the only on the block where the commercial buildings are so if you're familiar with Lincoln. 840 01:36:23.580 --> 01:36:32.910 robertthibodeau: there's commercial property and then there's an alley behind in most cases on the West side it's not really anally, but you have that first. 841 01:36:33.720 --> 01:36:46.920 robertthibodeau: stretch that the you know, whatever it is, you know 80 feet 90 feet, that the business takes up and at least I know i'm on my side on the east side of Lincoln. 842 01:36:48.330 --> 01:36:58.530 robertthibodeau: Like where it turns on to indiana the there's probably two spaces on each side of the street it varies a little bit that could be metered and. 843 01:36:59.880 --> 01:37:04.320 robertthibodeau: That would be to increase the turnover on those parking spaces. 844 01:37:05.730 --> 01:37:06.360 robertthibodeau: So that. 845 01:37:07.410 --> 01:37:08.880 robertthibodeau: When there was the. 846 01:37:10.080 --> 01:37:15.210 robertthibodeau: No parking on the street that at least people wanted to use the businesses would have a better shot at grabbing. 847 01:37:16.170 --> 01:37:31.770 robertthibodeau: A spot, and I think we've all seen that type of thing, like, I think it happens off the beverly pretty sure it happens off melrose that first couple of spots is a meter so it doesn't get jammed up all day long by either employees or somebody else. 848 01:37:33.240 --> 01:37:36.390 robertthibodeau: So I guess My suggestion would be that we would. 849 01:37:38.190 --> 01:37:42.810 robertthibodeau: Add that into this if that was something that we wanted to support also. 850 01:37:44.490 --> 01:37:51.030 robertthibodeau: But you know what do you, what do you guys think for your first time seeing this i've actually seen this last week so. 851 01:37:52.710 --> 01:37:55.410 Jonathan Deer: A couple of thoughts to just to continue. 852 01:37:56.460 --> 01:38:06.150 Jonathan Deer: First of all, I definitely support the parking on the side streets, but I think we should just put it off as emotion and have it stand alone so it's not tied to another another Program. 853 01:38:06.420 --> 01:38:06.840 robertthibodeau: Okay. 854 01:38:06.960 --> 01:38:08.040 Jonathan Deer: it's my feeling about it. 855 01:38:09.570 --> 01:38:21.840 Jonathan Deer: But it's So are we are we being asked to actually support this specific plan or just this is illustrative of the sort of improvement we'd like to see. 856 01:38:22.260 --> 01:38:28.050 robertthibodeau: yeah I I don't I don't think this I mean again, knowing the way that this was. 857 01:38:29.160 --> 01:38:31.530 robertthibodeau: Developed I don't think we're we're. 858 01:38:32.580 --> 01:38:34.770 robertthibodeau: This is, this is just a concept piece. 859 01:38:35.790 --> 01:38:47.550 robertthibodeau: This is, this is a concept piece and not not you know it's a concept piece based on some reality, but this is this is, you know non engineer P, you know what I mean. 860 01:38:49.710 --> 01:39:02.730 Jonathan Deer: Okay that's all I had to talk about I think we definitely if that project goes far and I definitely want hope they include an aesthetic element, and you know with trees and mediums and all that. 861 01:39:03.390 --> 01:39:03.840 Jonathan Deer: Right. 862 01:39:04.050 --> 01:39:05.850 robertthibodeau: I think we all that work they might as well. 863 01:39:06.180 --> 01:39:14.160 Alyson Wilson: yeah I agree and speaking of all that work it's wonderful to have this presentation you guys Thank you so much for putting it together it just looks like an exceptional. 864 01:39:14.460 --> 01:39:21.120 Alyson Wilson: exceptional work and it looks like a really neat stuff in the right direction that no one took the time to take until you did it, so thank you. 865 01:39:21.990 --> 01:39:27.900 robertthibodeau: This was Evan yeah I mean you know round of applause and selena. 866 01:39:28.620 --> 01:39:39.540 Selena Inouye: um so I I really liked the idea of adding more trees to the core door um my understanding is that with regards to tree planting. 867 01:39:39.900 --> 01:39:46.230 Selena Inouye: The businesses that a tree get gets planted in front of the business as opposed to take responsibility for that tree. 868 01:39:46.890 --> 01:39:54.960 Selena Inouye: they're supposed to water it they're supposed to call the city and to trim it I don't think they're supposed to trim it themselves. 869 01:39:55.920 --> 01:40:00.360 Selena Inouye: i've heard on other quarters there's been issues about businesses trimming the trees. 870 01:40:01.320 --> 01:40:09.150 Selena Inouye: I know the businesses will have an issue with regard to what trees get planted and will it block any signage. 871 01:40:09.750 --> 01:40:19.290 Selena Inouye: That they have that's facing Lincoln boulevard so that's something that probably could be worked out in terms of the choice of the tree. 872 01:40:20.070 --> 01:40:29.790 Selena Inouye: I do know that urban forestry, which is part of streets la is severely understaffed so we really can't expect them to come out. 873 01:40:30.300 --> 01:40:40.500 Selena Inouye: and water, the trees, they might do it for the first year to get this trees established, but after that it's probably going to fall on to the businesses i'm. 874 01:40:41.340 --> 01:41:02.070 Selena Inouye: commenting in general about Lincoln fast forward, I just want to say again that it would be good to have that updated presentation come here to PTC because I know they've been here in the past, and they do make a stop here, and I know they added a bus only lane heading north. 875 01:41:02.100 --> 01:41:08.100 Selena Inouye: Now, instead of just the south, so I think we should be talking with them about all these issues. 876 01:41:08.970 --> 01:41:19.830 Selena Inouye: My only other concern I know they want to create these pedestrian islands in the middle of Lincoln boulevard to make it safer for pedestrians to cross, and I know that's why they're putting the lights into. 877 01:41:20.370 --> 01:41:32.880 Selena Inouye: My only concern is that when it's rush hour on Lincoln boulevard um there's going to if there if the meeting has something in it which makes it not be able to be used as lane. 878 01:41:33.240 --> 01:41:39.810 Selena Inouye: That may affect the fire department and their response when there's a lot of traffic on Lincoln boulevard. 879 01:41:40.170 --> 01:41:49.740 Selena Inouye: The police department will probably divert from Lincoln and take side streets to get wherever they can, and they could do that because they have smaller vehicles. 880 01:41:50.160 --> 01:41:59.280 Selena Inouye: But the fire department is sometimes stuck on the major corridors to get to a call because they can't traverse smaller streets. 881 01:41:59.640 --> 01:42:11.430 Selena Inouye: So if you take away the media and you put stuff in the median it may be harder for the fire department to have a timely response, especially when there's a lot of traffic on Lincoln boulevard. 882 01:42:11.970 --> 01:42:19.350 Selena Inouye: And I would like to actually address that with caltrans and hear what they have and the city to hear what they would have to say about that. 883 01:42:20.460 --> 01:42:20.940 Selena Inouye: that's all. 884 01:42:24.060 --> 01:42:24.480 robertthibodeau: Okay. 885 01:42:24.750 --> 01:42:26.580 robertthibodeau: All legitimate points. 886 01:42:29.610 --> 01:42:30.690 robertthibodeau: So. 887 01:42:32.370 --> 01:42:37.440 robertthibodeau: um I think everybody likes this, so I think it really likes to set a certain level and. 888 01:42:40.980 --> 01:42:49.350 robertthibodeau: Where do we go john you do we want to craft emotion, supporting the greening of Lincoln coincide with. 889 01:42:50.580 --> 01:43:03.330 robertthibodeau: This or do we want to have digested this have a month to mess around with it fast forwards timeframe is they're going to start construction on fast forward in October. 890 01:43:04.320 --> 01:43:16.710 robertthibodeau: Now necessarily in Venice, because it does have different parts that they're working on, so I don't know when Venice is scheduled and I will I said I was going to do it for this time and I spaced on it, I will contact caltrans and. 891 01:43:17.820 --> 01:43:19.500 robertthibodeau: get them to present to us next meeting. 892 01:43:21.390 --> 01:43:26.670 robertthibodeau: which might be appropriate if we've got this presentation we're dragging them to the meeting we make them watch our presentation. 893 01:43:29.160 --> 01:43:35.490 robertthibodeau: So I mean i'm open to making emotion this template said that since go through, but I think we could also prompt this until. 894 01:43:36.540 --> 01:43:37.620 robertthibodeau: Until. 895 01:43:40.590 --> 01:43:49.470 robertthibodeau: Maybe next month at the latest and then hopefully maybe we address the side part and could address the side parking issue and then have caltrans at the meeting to. 896 01:43:51.180 --> 01:44:01.110 Jonathan Deer: me that's that sounds fine to me I don't have a strong feeling either way, but that that sounds fine if we can get them here great presented in front of them and pass emotion, while they're here. 897 01:44:03.660 --> 01:44:07.380 Jonathan Deer: But how to how to other people feel selena allison. 898 01:44:09.480 --> 01:44:20.040 Selena Inouye: um if it's okay to wait, I think we should and try to get both caltrans in La do T, because I know they had a representative working on this as well, it was a joint Program. 899 01:44:20.370 --> 01:44:21.120 Selena Inouye: And we can get. 900 01:44:22.110 --> 01:44:34.710 Selena Inouye: Even just la do T here um one thing to note is that on the table, right now, with the city council is a proposed merger between streets la and La do T. 901 01:44:35.040 --> 01:44:50.130 Selena Inouye: So, at some point if they the to become the same department, they will have to deal with the street tree issue, so it might be good to have led it here to have to be part of this discussion, if that's going to become their purview moving forward. 902 01:44:52.890 --> 01:44:53.490 robertthibodeau: So we. 903 01:44:53.580 --> 01:45:01.980 robertthibodeau: don't think we have a motion in front of us on this one, so I think we could just think Evan through the amazing presentation and let's. 904 01:45:02.040 --> 01:45:05.640 Jonathan Deer: let's take Alice did something so. 905 01:45:09.720 --> 01:45:12.150 Alyson Wilson: I didn't know I think I said in the beginning, which is. 906 01:45:12.930 --> 01:45:14.100 Alyson Wilson: i'm aligned with this. 907 01:45:14.190 --> 01:45:16.860 Alyson Wilson: The thinking behind this and grateful, it was done and. 908 01:45:18.090 --> 01:45:21.510 Alyson Wilson: i'm happy to wait oh wait a month and create emotion, then. 909 01:45:22.710 --> 01:45:23.070 robertthibodeau: Okay. 910 01:45:24.450 --> 01:45:27.150 robertthibodeau: So i'm seeing no motion. 911 01:45:28.200 --> 01:45:30.660 robertthibodeau: let's go back to the agenda. 912 01:45:38.490 --> 01:45:39.630 Okay. 913 01:45:43.920 --> 01:45:49.260 robertthibodeau: update on la dwp pipeline project pipeline project has started. 914 01:45:51.210 --> 01:45:53.340 robertthibodeau: I don't know if you've been down Pacific lately but. 915 01:45:55.020 --> 01:46:07.710 robertthibodeau: They have started the La dwp pipeline project we are trying to squeeze the schedule out of them, which we will post on our page on the website, but I have not actually gotten that yet. 916 01:46:10.230 --> 01:46:11.190 robertthibodeau: and 917 01:46:12.240 --> 01:46:13.020 robertthibodeau: very key. 918 01:46:15.480 --> 01:46:18.300 robertthibodeau: Community plan land use specific plans. 919 01:46:19.320 --> 01:46:27.120 robertthibodeau: I do have some progress on this, but my general thought is to push this. 920 01:46:28.770 --> 01:46:41.760 robertthibodeau: Transportation as related to the Community plan thing to the next meeting, seeing as it's 847 and I like to wrap these up by nine and I don't know that this is going to drop dead on it right now. 921 01:46:44.370 --> 01:46:49.260 Selena Inouye: Robert i'm sorry to go back to the La dwp project. 922 01:46:49.470 --> 01:46:51.540 Selena Inouye: They just put this on your radar. 923 01:46:51.780 --> 01:47:01.620 Selena Inouye: That the city of culver city is also supposed to be starting a rainwater catchment construction on Washington boulevard by costco. 924 01:47:02.820 --> 01:47:06.720 Selena Inouye: And I know that that project has been delayed several times. 925 01:47:07.830 --> 01:47:14.730 Selena Inouye: But it may be worth reaching out to culver city and finding out what their revised timeline is. 926 01:47:15.750 --> 01:47:27.930 Selena Inouye: they're going to be restricting lanes for travel on Washington boulevard and I believe the last time I heard a presentation on it, the project was supposed to last for about a year. 927 01:47:28.560 --> 01:47:36.780 Selena Inouye: And that is definitely going to affect people that use Washington boulevard to get to Venice to and from done Venice so just fyi. 928 01:47:39.300 --> 01:48:02.250 robertthibodeau: So, on my list of people, I have to contact their got a contact caltrans slash do T about Lincoln and her and get them at the next meeting i've got a contact culver city about the led wp thing and I gotta hit la de dwp up again, or the work schedule was that the things. 929 01:48:04.560 --> 01:48:07.320 Selena Inouye: yeah i'll try to find a contact for you, for culver city. 930 01:48:07.680 --> 01:48:08.790 robertthibodeau: Because I know the guys in. 931 01:48:08.820 --> 01:48:14.880 robertthibodeau: The city, I know the guys in planning and stuff but I don't I don't have too many contexts, besides playing check and planning. 932 01:48:15.870 --> 01:48:23.910 Selena Inouye: yeah let me see if I can find out who gave the presentation, the last time around, I don't know if their staff has changed or not i'll find out. 933 01:48:26.340 --> 01:48:26.880 robertthibodeau: What you do. 934 01:48:28.470 --> 01:48:28.920 robertthibodeau: well. 935 01:48:31.380 --> 01:48:34.140 robertthibodeau: Shall we adjourn this meeting, we need a motion to adjourn. 936 01:48:35.100 --> 01:48:43.740 Selena Inouye: Actually i'm sorry one last thing there at the next meeting there's also emotion from the from rack regarding cool streets and cool asphalt. 937 01:48:44.100 --> 01:48:46.860 Selena Inouye: That I hope we can get on the next agenda as well. 938 01:48:47.280 --> 01:48:49.860 robertthibodeau: That actually came up on the link and fast forward today. 939 01:48:51.540 --> 01:49:10.140 Selena Inouye: Okay, but there was a separate rack past motion so now that rock pass the motion it goes out to the neighborhood Councils to either pass it or not pass it and then, if eight neighborhood Councils past this Brock motion, and we can modify it if we want to to make it fit for what we want. 940 01:49:11.190 --> 01:49:21.390 Selena Inouye: If eight Councils positive becomes an official rock position so just fyi and I think I sent you the information on it, and I can send it to you again. 941 01:49:21.840 --> 01:49:22.410 robertthibodeau: Please do. 942 01:49:24.420 --> 01:49:25.050 robertthibodeau: Okay. 943 01:49:25.080 --> 01:49:28.260 Jonathan Deer: You do not need a motion to adjourn you can adjourn. 944 01:49:30.210 --> 01:49:31.470 robertthibodeau: Anything else guys. 945 01:49:32.850 --> 01:49:37.680 robertthibodeau: Okay wonderful single you and a good work Evan and. 946 01:49:39.660 --> 01:49:43.470 robertthibodeau: And let's everybody be well until next time. 947 01:49:45.330 --> 01:49:47.700 Alyson Wilson: Thank you, thank you so much, everyone bye. 948 01:49:47.910 --> 01:49:48.780 Jonathan Deer: bye everybody.