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james murez: see a hand up.

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james murez: promoted.

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robertthibodeau: Are you doing.

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james murez: Good how are you.

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james murez: Good i'm enjoying your mother's cookies.

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robertthibodeau: mm hmm.

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james murez: they're very.

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robertthibodeau: Good hey Jim says he's enjoying your cookies they're very good.

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robertthibodeau: Kim says he's enjoying your cookies yeah.

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robertthibodeau: Well there's more there's more where those came from.

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james murez: Oh, I don't know mike's if my waistline can handle it.

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robertthibodeau: Right now i'm eating a split pea soup that you made.

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james murez: Do you have a speaker coming tonight.

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robertthibodeau: i'm not exactly a.

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robertthibodeau: speaker, but I have.

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robertthibodeau: lauren macpherson.

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james murez: Oh right.

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robertthibodeau: And she's gonna come more as a working session Member.

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Okay.

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robertthibodeau: I think, to give us advice.

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james murez: Oh good.

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robertthibodeau: And we came up with some concepts last time and.

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robertthibodeau: I have some notes somewhere.

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robertthibodeau: i've distributed and I think you were on them.

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robertthibodeau: That were just a notes, taken from last meeting and I just want to talk to her with everybody about like you know what the best.

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robertthibodeau: way to communicate these you know, like in what form and.

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robertthibodeau: You know what really what's helpful for her moving forwards.

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robertthibodeau: Hello your dear.

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Jonathan Deer: Our you.

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Jonathan Deer: See.

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james murez: Do we expect to hear any more out of the fast forward on Lincoln boulevard people.

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robertthibodeau: I invited Alec to the meeting tonight, who seems to be kind of a good representative.

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robertthibodeau: I did not invite the rest of the fast forward crew I think it's better to go through Alec personally.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, and I did invite him tonight.

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robertthibodeau: But.

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james murez: He just wonder if there's a.

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james murez: Video or something that we could post on our website at some point, but last time they did a PowerPoint they had a whole presentation, I wonder if that could be.

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james murez: Some sort of temporary resource file or something on the.

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Jonathan Deer: fair.

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james murez: And then, and then there's this the committee at some point, want to.

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james murez: make a motion whether it's a supporter, or modify.

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james murez: You know, like support with modifications or reject the the game plan that they have.

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robertthibodeau: I thought we actually did that, before the game plan has changed, and I was going to bring people up to date tonight, so I was going to speak about the fact that I did go to the fast board meeting last time on a lot the Tuesday before last, or whatever Wednesday before last.

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james murez: But if you don't have their new material posted you can't really make emotion on whether or not their new material is is.

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james murez: A benefit or not, you know whether or not it's appropriate or not.

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robertthibodeau: I wasn't I wasn't super planning on making emotion tonight.

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robertthibodeau: Okay well i'm just gonna update everybody with kind of.

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robertthibodeau: You know where they're at now they kind of dropped a little bit of a bomb honest.

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james murez: yeah well having the the express lane in both directions, we asked for and last time around, but they said that it caltrans with a lot of doing now all of a sudden caltrans is let them do it so.

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robertthibodeau: anyways it may, it may not be a negative thing but.

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robertthibodeau: I do know some business owners that are a little bummed but whatever and we can talk about all that stuff you know.

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james murez: submit this here she's on your committee.

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james murez: Yes, um What about Evan.

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robertthibodeau: Evan is not on the committee, yet we're Evans going to volunteer for some stuff i've spoken with him this week he's going to volunteer to help out with some things and then.

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robertthibodeau: We were going to do a he's going to show up to a couple meetings and then you know if everything goes as planned out i'll put them on and like probably in March or something like that.

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robertthibodeau: Okay okay.

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robertthibodeau: he's definitely interested and and you know I think people in the Community joining as a good thing, so.

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james murez: Just be careful that your quorum number doesn't get to be some kind of weird number.

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james murez: Where you can't make corn.

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robertthibodeau: sandwich and you got.

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james murez: john is here Sean is Sean o'brien on your committee.

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robertthibodeau: I mean, I get it.

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james murez: and start promoting them on your own you don't need me.

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james murez: there's Laura.

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james murez: Somebody want to promote Laura.

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james murez: Or should I do it.

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Jonathan Deer: that's.

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Jonathan Deer: that's that has to be you right Robert drive the right to do that I don't.

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james murez: Have the right you're a panel is do you have it your co host panelist.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay, let me see all right.

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Laura.

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Jonathan Deer: Laura macpherson I.

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robertthibodeau: believe is the guy from hurricane I think right.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes, that's right.

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robertthibodeau: Evan I met with last week and Mr o'brian, we all know, i'm.

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robertthibodeau: Steve Evan and Sean and i'll make you guys.

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robertthibodeau: Talk when the time comes, and then we need.

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robertthibodeau: To only barely seven right now, but we need a.

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robertthibodeau: We need.

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robertthibodeau: I guess technically three eps, what are we three of six john.

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Jonathan Deer: We are.

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Jonathan Deer: we're fine actually.

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robertthibodeau: Sorry live, so we have a quorum right now.

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Jonathan Deer: That we have a quorum.

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james murez: magazine before of six.

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robertthibodeau: else we got here.

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robertthibodeau: let's give.

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robertthibodeau: let's give another couple minutes for selena and unless unless you want to start.

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Jonathan Deer: Sorry me to wait a couple minutes.

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robertthibodeau: um do you want to.

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robertthibodeau: share your screen with the agenda on it, or do you want me to share my screen with the.

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Jonathan Deer: Agenda uh let's see I.

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Jonathan Deer: So I put my minutes on my agenda as i'm as we're going along so probably better to share yours.

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Jonathan Deer: Because OK yeah.

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robertthibodeau: it's OK, you need slow.

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Jonathan Deer: so that I can.

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Jonathan Deer: If you want me to start sharing mine, I can set up for next time to.

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robertthibodeau: It within.

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Jonathan Deer: minutes on a different screen.

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robertthibodeau: makes no difference So there we go you want me to increase it a little.

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james murez: guess I can promote selena for you and you guys can start yep.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah it's um let's see all right is the other side cut off now sorry that's perfect.

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robertthibodeau: Is that read Okay, for you guys.

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james murez: yeah okay.

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Jonathan Deer: hi selena.

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Selena Inouye: hi everyone how are you.

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robertthibodeau: promote selena.

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james murez: Guy did.

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robertthibodeau: You did that thanks Okay, shall we call this meeting to order then and.

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robertthibodeau: allison will join us when she joins us.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so it is seven oh to join your chicken notes 7am to we're calling the meeting of the parking transportation committee of the Venice neighborhood Council to order.

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robertthibodeau: and

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robertthibodeau: We don't do we need to read all this unconformity stuff Jim.

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james murez: No.

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robertthibodeau: No okay so we're not reading all the unconformity stuff but a tear in my screen for people to read.

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james murez: You just have to go down to roll call.

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robertthibodeau: Okay So here we go roll call.

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robertthibodeau: john deere yeah allison Wilson not here yet selena.

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Selena Inouye: Elizabeth.

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robertthibodeau: Jim is here and Robert is here.

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Jonathan Deer: And Jim do we do we actually get your attendance on here now.

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james murez: You can it doesn't matter allison just arrived i'll promote her.

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james murez: You know i'm not part of your quorum, so it doesn't matter either.

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james murez: allison just arrived.

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robertthibodeau: And there's their salad to when you're ready.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so.

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robertthibodeau: We make a motion to adopt the Minutes from the prior meeting.

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Jonathan Deer: moved.

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james murez: hope.

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robertthibodeau: I see allison blinking in Hello allison are you here.

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Jonathan Deer: there.

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alyson wilson: yeah i've been here.

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robertthibodeau: All good.

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alyson wilson: I feel, to raise my hand.

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robertthibodeau: So everybody's here.

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robertthibodeau: Do we need a motion to approve minute meeting minutes Jim.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah.

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james murez: yeah you have to make a boat somebody has to make a motion somebody else has a second that.

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Jonathan Deer: moved.

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alyson wilson: i'll make.

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alyson wilson: The motion to approve the meeting minutes.

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Elizabeth Clay: i'll second that.

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robertthibodeau: sounds good any comment on the meeting minutes.

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robertthibodeau: Where would, I see this because right now i'm not seeing hands up because i'm.

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james murez: sharing my screen So if you go down to the bottom of the screen, where it says participants.

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james murez: And you click on that, then that opens two tabs one is the panelists and the other one is the attendees and if either one of the two of them have a hand up, it would show you next to the number where right now, it has a number of parentheses.

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james murez: Next to the number would show you that there was a hand up in the other category and then you.

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james murez: click on what like attendees you click on attendees and that would show you who the attendees are, and it would let you then call on that attendee.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, so I don't see hands up regarding the Minutes.

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robertthibodeau: Did we assist a handbook gym or is this.

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james murez: You have to first close public comment, then you.

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robertthibodeau: Have a comment.

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james murez: make a roll call.

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robertthibodeau: Okay roll call vote, it is so we have.

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robertthibodeau: john deere.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes.

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Selena Inouye: selena yes.

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robertthibodeau: You are muted yeah looked at.

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alyson wilson: Last yeah.

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Elizabeth Clay: Elizabeth yes.

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robertthibodeau: And I was gonna say Laura but you don't get to vote so.

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robertthibodeau: you'll be on soon enough and i'm a yes to so it's 501 on that one.

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robertthibodeau: And then we have.

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james murez: To wait wait.

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Jonathan Deer: You said well it's the one.

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james murez: You said 501 that'd be fine.

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robertthibodeau: Yes, oh, excuse me 500 my dad.

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james murez: yeah okay.

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robertthibodeau: My bad good catch.

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james murez: Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: Okay.

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robertthibodeau: We have.

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robertthibodeau: All business, most of which I think.

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robertthibodeau: we're going to move move the Community well, what do you think john.

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robertthibodeau: we've got Laura here and with respect her time should we do this first.

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Jonathan Deer: Yes, definitely.

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robertthibodeau: Okay i'm good for.

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robertthibodeau: Our guys she's not presenting, by the way, I asked her hair.

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Laura MacPherson: That time tonight, so I got some time on my hands.

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robertthibodeau: You want to wait through the meeting you want to waste through the meeting and again it's where our meetings are quick.

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Laura MacPherson: And works for you all yeah.

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robertthibodeau: The other than it.

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robertthibodeau: would be that Steve I believe it's steep bradbury wants to talk about hurricane and is here for that and then.

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robertthibodeau: yeah I think that's the main I think that's the main gist of.

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robertthibodeau: Of these, I was going to update people on the fast forward because I sat in on that meeting, a week ago, and just give let people know where that's at.

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robertthibodeau: and

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robertthibodeau: There was a gentleman.

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robertthibodeau: who wanted to talk about parking meters.

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robertthibodeau: thats Sarah.

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robertthibodeau: Sarah want to talk about the park meters on main.

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robertthibodeau: So we could we could do we could also do them first and kind of move through those, what do you think john.

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Jonathan Deer: I would start with Laura.

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Jonathan Deer: likes covers or under be the longest topic and then we'll get right to the others.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, then I took.

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robertthibodeau: So.

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robertthibodeau: To introduce this the Community plan is something that laura's been working hard on there's a draft version of it i've distributed that to the rest of the committee, I believe it also is available online for.

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robertthibodeau: The general public.

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robertthibodeau: And we had very informal discussion last week and came up with some bullet points of things that we thought were important in sort of the.

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robertthibodeau: Transportation streetscape parking.

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robertthibodeau: area as related to the Community plan and the reason I invited Laura here was because the Community plans a big document there's a lot of stuff involved with the Community plan.

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robertthibodeau: I know that the transportation portion of it is actually required portion of it, and in the draft so far I haven't seen that address so much it's probably is going to be, but it had I haven't i've seen some stuff but I haven't seen that address so much.

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robertthibodeau: addressed in the Community plan you know whether it's as simple as sort of you know.

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robertthibodeau: You know alternate forms of.

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robertthibodeau: public transportation in Venice or or you know uses of streets be at dining or.

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robertthibodeau: Driving or and then possibly things like parking parking requirements is related to use and sort of the you know the balance that goes on there.

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robertthibodeau: We have we've kind of got a shortlist that i've emailed to to the committee and to Laura i'm could try and pull it up here, so I guess, my question to Laura is.

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robertthibodeau: Can we be part of the conversation, and if so, what you know, does that take the form of a memo How would you like to do this, you know you're really the boss here.

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Laura MacPherson: hi everyone thanks so much for having me and thanks for all your participation in the mobility and transportation of this planning.

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Laura MacPherson: effort, and so I think just to kind of provide some clarity, so in Venice right now there are two planning efforts, so one is update the local coastal Program.

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Laura MacPherson: And that is the land use plan and the Venice coastal zone specific plan so that's one effort.

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Laura MacPherson: And then the veterans Community plan, which covers everywhere, including East Lincoln is also underway right now.

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Laura MacPherson: And so I think most recently our team shared a draft concepts of the Venice Community plan in July 2020 and we received a lot of comments last fall and you know if there's specific comments and.

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Laura MacPherson: solutions for those concepts that's really helpful, so our team right now is going through all of the feedback and I believe I sent the dnc.

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Laura MacPherson: gym that document, I sent you folks in the fall had all the links to the comments we had sorted and those were kind of targeted at the initial concepts so based on all the feedback in that first round the team is going back and.

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Laura MacPherson: Re let's say rebooting the concepts, a little bit based on what we hear from the stakeholders.

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Laura MacPherson: and ideas and solutions you want to propose you could send those to me, and I can forward them to the Community planners that are working on.

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Laura MacPherson: That update and then also i'm a great person to talk to about any mobility and transportation solutions targeted at the local kosta program, and this would get into your parking ratios the development standards, and I think I saw that in your bullet points Robert as well.

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Laura MacPherson: And so, just to let you know where we are right now, we also had parking study commissioned with consultants.

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Laura MacPherson: And we're hoping to share that out sometime this spring or summer, it should be finalized and there's a lot of data and analysis in there, that will also help to inform some of the policies for this neighborhood.

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robertthibodeau: So one thing is with the drop concept of the Community plan as i've seen it so far.

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robertthibodeau: I haven't seen much language period on.

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robertthibodeau: Things like in the old Community plan which I do happen to have a copy of next to me there's entire sections of that Community plan that talk about anything from.

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robertthibodeau: shuttle systems that do not exist that apparently were part of you know, the old plan whatever 2025 years ago and.

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robertthibodeau: buffers and things like that that in the draft version I haven't seen any of that, so I would imagine that that stuff is still forthcoming in order to make the new Community plan, given that.

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robertthibodeau: I think there is a requirement that a transportation and streets be be a part of the Community plan as my I understand it again i'm not telling you what but, as I understand the law that has to be in there.

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robertthibodeau: you're there.

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robertthibodeau: I understand that and i've been to many of your sort of and I met you many times at the like marker board things and stuff that you've done the.

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robertthibodeau: If we were to talk, I mean the Community plan tends to be fairly broad, but if we were to talk about issues like.

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robertthibodeau: I know that with street widening and dedications that if your Community plan in your specific plan address.

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robertthibodeau: Certain issues like, for instance let's say Venice were to say that the narrow streets were part of the character Venice, you know that that you could easily say that we're very different from say.

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robertthibodeau: Sherman oaks or something like that, and our narrow streets fit with the kind of dense lifestyle that we have here.

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robertthibodeau: If we were to try and address some of that stuff in the Community plans, again I.

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robertthibodeau: Would that be something that our committee would start to get.

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robertthibodeau: And we're not going to rewrite the Community, you know i'm have no plans on rewriting a Community plan it's a very huge document, but like we issued a letter to you like, how do, how do you want to see this stuff from us.

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Laura MacPherson: yeah even an email would be fine and I think you know a lot of our cues will be taken from the mobility 2035 so that was a big efforts and that kind of lays out the city's mobility vision until 2035.

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Laura MacPherson: yep and I think there's a lot of good information there so we're probably going to be following.

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Laura MacPherson: Along those lines, and I think Jim mentioned like what's the regional plan so there will be a lot of collaboration with the other four geographies and the West side.

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Laura MacPherson: area in terms of what we're looking at, but obviously Venice has a lot of unique circumstances with the visitor population that comes in for the beaches and the coastal act and public access.

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robertthibodeau: Right.

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robertthibodeau: To i'm going to keep firing questions unless somebody else wants to raise your hand here Oh, we see.

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robertthibodeau: john john and then Sarah I hear you Sarah I see are there let's let john go and then i'll hit you Okay, and we can ask Oh, is about to Nice.

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Jonathan Deer: And Jim has his hand up so yeah.

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Jonathan Deer: Exactly in terms of in terms of you know so with the way our committee typically has worked, you know we don't we usually don't fire off an email directly from the committee usually we take a lot of input.

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Jonathan Deer: And you know and do a number of things one thing we would do is pass emotion asking the dnc to make a statement.

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Jonathan Deer: Okay um you know, obviously any individual, whether on the committee or not on a committee can send an email to you if you if that's something you invite but so so in terms of giving you input that that's meaningful and also impactful from our end.

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Jonathan Deer: You know, one of the things we've done in the past, our Community impact statements, is there room for that, in the process is that something we would forward, and so, how do we forward it.

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Laura MacPherson: I think at this point the the Community plant update team, which is being overseen by Kentucky a gardener and Eva chain persons now looking after the Venice Community plan update.

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Laura MacPherson: I think it would be if there is specific information that you want to get.

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Laura MacPherson: I can obviously be a conduit for that information, but it isn't also an opportunity to like chat with them, and maybe reflect on the initial concepts that were proposed.

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Laura MacPherson: And maybe if you feel like there's something missing as may want to add to it.

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Laura MacPherson: But Jim it sounds like you might have a recommendation on like how you've been involved in the past, so maybe.

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james murez: I I will comment on that because procedurally the the rules have done the Department of neighborhood empowerment.

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james murez: The neighborhood Council is going to be making a request it needs to come through the board you can't committee committees recommend to the board the board, then makes the final decision and sense for where to letter.

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james murez: Particular position so so as far as individuals commenting they can comment all they want, on their own as an individual, but if you're expecting input from the dentist neighborhood Council, it has to have been passed by the board.

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james murez: that's Procedurally, the only way that it's allowed to happen.

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james murez: As far as a community impact statement that can only occur to a Council file.

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james murez: city clerk's office has that there's a five people on the board that are entitled to be able to submit Community impact statements and there's a.

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james murez: very special format for that and again that has to also be approved by the board, and then I had a question actually about the comment that both you and Robert were making i'm curious if the Community plan.

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james murez: was to get a recommendation or made a made a statement.

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james murez: as bold as to say we want to retain the character of the streets in Venice, as far as the width and the style and the and the various whatever for capacity or whatever you want to call it.

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james murez: Would that trump the 2035 mobility transportation plan and and that's you know I don't know how much you've looked at the transportation plan.

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james murez: But there were a few architects that looked at it, a few years ago.

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james murez: And it turned out that 95% of the streets in Venice west of Lincoln do not comply to the street standards that are specified in the 2035 local a transportation plan so basically you're saying you want to come in and change the entire character of the Community.

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james murez: I don't even believe it was the 2035 invention, but that's how it came about because they have standards that were designed with Robert mentioned, perhaps for Sherman oaks they weren't necessarily designed for Community that existed long before.

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james murez: The rest of the city.

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robertthibodeau: A couple of members of the public speaker Isabel and Sarah are.

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james murez: yeah that so that was my very specific question the Lord would with the Community plan trump the 2035 as far as as jurisdiction, when the time comes.

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Laura MacPherson: I think that's a great question and I don't want to misspeak, but I think if if we lay out rules and guidelines in the LCP in particular and a specific plan that would be the defining word for Venice.

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Laura MacPherson: Mobility 2035 is more of a long range vision for the city as a whole, so I recognize that we have.

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Laura MacPherson: You know, smaller streets in Venice for very good reason, because they were once canals and there's a very important and distinct form it's evolved from that so I wouldn't want to use it as a blanket statement that you know every neighborhood is going to be treated the same.

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robertthibodeau: Good I is it Okay, if I go to the non board members for some comments and then, if.

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robertthibodeau: celine allison Elizabeth wanna add in a you got a minute.

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james murez: So Robin you do that by announcing that you're going to open public comment, and then you call on whoever has her hand up you give them a few minutes or a few seconds to.

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robertthibodeau: Again we're not we're not voting on anything.

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robertthibodeau: And Laura is not here to be roasted This is just purely a working session.

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robertthibodeau: I don't understand how best we can communicate with the planning department so i'm going to open public comment that's okay and i'm going to allow Sarah to talk and she had her hand up before you Isabel and then your next So here we go allowed to talk there you go asked to unmute.

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robertthibodeau: To ask you to unmute there you go.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Yes, you did, can you hear me now.

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robertthibodeau: sure can.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: hi everybody thanks Laura for coming I really appreciate.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: You coming to hear our thoughts and you to give us your thoughts.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: i'm i'm speaking to you, as a member of the public and a stakeholder in Venice, although I am very active on the Venice arbor committee so that does drive most of my concerns and one of the first thing I want to know is what's your email address, so that we can email you our communication.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Because I don't see that anywhere on the on the on the zoom at the moment.

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Laura MacPherson: Oh, can I go now.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Go for it.

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Laura MacPherson: My email address is Laura.

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Laura MacPherson: la.

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Laura MacPherson: You are a dot mcpherson ma si P H er so n at La city.org.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Okay got it.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Thank you for that um The other thing that the main comment i'd like to ask about is when you are considering mobility has it.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: been planned for to have substantial trees planted maintained and looked after by the city, because if we're going to have people walking to the bus stop or biking.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: They need shade and presently Venice is very tree poor in comparison with other neighborhoods around it, if you compare it to Santa Monica or even to West la.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: We are very, very poor specifically on our large boulevards like Lincoln, for instance, our our Venice, full of artists is pretty good it's pretty amazing it's got sycamores but the rest of our mobility landscape is like a desert.

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Laura MacPherson: yeah that's a great point Sarah and I know that a lot of our planners that are updating plans right now.

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Laura MacPherson: There are working with the city arborist at city heart hired a new arborist I think two years ago, and so it will be more prominent than in the past plans, but again, if you go through the last round of concepts i'm trying to recall if.

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Laura MacPherson: It might have been under the open space, but maybe this is a good point to kind of elevate this conversation to also mobility and what that looks like for Venice.

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sarahrwauters@gmail.com: Thank you.

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robertthibodeau: And Sarah I just wrote down and I added the bullet point list that we're kind of running here for like kind of wish things and I wrote down arbor and landscape to you know to be discussed, but um.

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robertthibodeau: So I put that down there so i'm gonna mute you for a second get Isabel on here hold on one second.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Hello hi.

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Laura MacPherson: hi Isabel are you just went on mute again, I think.

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robertthibodeau: No, that was Sarah I think I I was clicking too many buttons Isabel should be good.

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robertthibodeau: I think whoops.

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robertthibodeau: Isabel you gotta unmute I think you can do that yourself.

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Isabelle Duvivier: There you go Thank you Thank you so much lower, and I have two points I want to make first of all, the city forest officer is her proper title her name is Rachel mallory.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Yes, and she can only plant.

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Isabelle Duvivier: trees in places where there's ample room for trees so even though she exists and her new position she can't put trees in, for example, oakwood where the park ways are under three feet so.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I guess my second point, so I think it's just a good example of how city planning needs to actually get like.

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Isabelle Duvivier: They need to get more on board with how the street infrastructure works, but my My second point is you're you're not correct when you say the canals are the narrowest streets in fact.

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Isabelle Duvivier: The former canals are actually the widest streets in Venice some of the narrowest streets are, for example in oakland which is going to have six storey buildings per the Community plan if they get their bonus densities so.

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Isabelle Duvivier: it's slated for four stories plus two stories and most of these streets are very, very narrow, they have no parkways they have pretty narrow sidewalks So my question to you is how is it that you're going to get six storey buildings.

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Isabelle Duvivier: And in a from basically from California passed rose over to the Santa Monica border in this entire neighborhood without a proper.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Mobility section without ample parking without ample road networks, as it is on brooks on Santa Clara on.

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Isabelle Duvivier: All of these streets here you people can easily pass each other and so i'm just i'm really not understanding how this Community plan is dealing with the types of density are speaking about in the area where the road network is actually the narrowest Thank you.

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Laura MacPherson: Thanks so much as well, and I think you're speaking to the the concepts that were shown in July 2020 I believe.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I don't know if i'm muted still or not, but i'm looking at the latest zoning maps that i've seen on the websites and stuff where it shows this whole area is pink.

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Isabelle Duvivier: And that's for stories plus bonus densities allowed, and it goes from California, all the way past rose, and it goes from Lincoln to to the.

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Isabelle Duvivier: To the industrial areas by like Giuliana juice or rather do stuff in that area.

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Laura MacPherson: Great question Isabel Thank you so much for your comment i'm taking notes here in case.

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Isabelle Duvivier: i'm looking I guess well well i'm well you're.

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Isabelle Duvivier: noting that you're taking comments I looked at all the comments that were listed.

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Isabelle Duvivier: And I was really surprised by how few comments were comments that I actually heard when I came to the various Community plans.

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Isabelle Duvivier: One of the comments that struck me as being really odd was that rose avenue from Lincoln all the way up to penn marsh should be commercial, how are the comments vetted and.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Then, and then given back to the Community if you're if we're only hearing the most extreme weird Comments like creating.

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robertthibodeau: Your this back to.

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robertthibodeau: stinky so I.

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robertthibodeau: Think, I think that uh we're here to talk about.

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robertthibodeau: streets and parking and street usage and if if the land use planning committee takes up building size, then maybe that would be a more appropriate place in use.

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robertthibodeau: To talk about that, right now, I think this focus, because this is the parking and transportation committee has to do, specifically with parking and transportation understand if somebody has an Anti development slant then maybe take that up with the land use planning committee because.

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robertthibodeau: i'm not hearing things I mean Sarah talked about the streetscapes with trees, but i'm not really hearing any of that right now and that's where I think the focus needs to be for this committee.

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robertthibodeau: Hopefully land you some planning committee will take up the other issues but that's not really our purview.

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robertthibodeau: So let's.

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robertthibodeau: i'd like to get some other other talk here.

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robertthibodeau: we've got.

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robertthibodeau: board members who we haven't heard from Yet if you guys have any.

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robertthibodeau: Concerns or input.

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robertthibodeau: Again i'm i'm here purely to try and talk to Laura as a facilitator of communication so.

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robertthibodeau: Okay, seeing none.

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robertthibodeau: I.

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Selena Inouye: Actually, Robert I have my hand up.

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robertthibodeau: Who does.

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robertthibodeau: selena selena damn it hold on one second i'm so sorry.

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robertthibodeau: I had the attendees here okay so go for it.

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Selena Inouye: hi Laura so I have actually done office hours with Clinique yet and see me back, I think, in October of 2020 when the draft concepts that come out and one of the questions that I had asked was about the map that showed.

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Selena Inouye: Planned bike lanes and on the map, you indicated that you were going to have tier one tier two and tier three bike lanes.

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Selena Inouye: The map for me is a little difficult to view because the tier one and tier two colors are so close to each other it's hard for me to distinguish where they're going.

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Selena Inouye: But I had asked for some clarification, first of all about what tier two and tier three are and what they're what they're going to look like and then I had also offered some feedback with regard to the protected bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: I know a lot of folks.

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Selena Inouye: don't like the protected bike lane that was put in in mar vista a lot of the local cyclist felt that a buffer to bike lane or the bike lane that have existed previously was preferable to the protected bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: I know from the marvis just a situation that the protected bike lane.

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Selena Inouye: caused a lot of confusion for drivers on Venice boulevard created a lot of cut through traffic into the neighborhoods next to Venice boulevard because people wanted to avoid that area.

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Selena Inouye: There were some concerns about.

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Selena Inouye: Whether the appropriate criteria was used when they put in the bike lane with regard to things like driveways along the roadway and things like that.

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Selena Inouye: I mentioned all these things because i'm if you're planning changes like that I feel like that is a bigger discussion that needs to happen with the Community.

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Selena Inouye: And I also think that it would be good if you were open to input from the Community about what would work putting in these bike lanes.

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Selena Inouye: I know led to kind of doing the same thing all over the city and my concern is more from an engineering perspective, and also a perspective of getting Community buy in for these projects.

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Selena Inouye: I just want to make sure that whatever gets done is safe and will be utilized and will cause the least disruption along the streets.

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Selena Inouye: And I know we've talked a lot about cut through traffic and wanting to keep people on the main streets as they travel through Venice and keep them out of the neighborhood so.

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Selena Inouye: I hope that you'll keep those thoughts and ideas in mind.

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Selena Inouye: It would be great if we can come up with implementations that are new and unique and things the Community can get behind.

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Selena Inouye: And don't cause a lot of a bad feelings that happened with the the Venice boulevard grow diet and Marcus stuff.

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Selena Inouye: that's that's the comments I have for you right now right.

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Laura MacPherson: Thank you so much selena yeah I do hear you that there's a lot of lessons to be learned from that example and mar vista you can definitely learn.

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Laura MacPherson: From that as a case study and then maybe there's probably some room to improve and customize for your neighborhood so thank you for that comment.

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robertthibodeau: I see Jim stand up to gym.

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james murez: So I have a few comes you know, I was parking and transportation chair for five years before Robert took it over.

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james murez: We passed a lot of motions that I would love to get forwarded to you because a lot of them address a lot of these issues, but right now i'm curious.

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james murez: If if the Community plan can go as far as to consider things like cut through traffic and and how time of use patterns, you know traffic controls might be implemented to improve the quality of life for the Community.

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james murez: You know, and the downside of that would be G, we need to get people out of their cars and stop driving.

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james murez: Through our neighborhoods but, rather, perhaps take public transportation and and that gets into a larger game plan, because for people to be able to.

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james murez: ride the bus they need some place to park their car before they get into the Community and that actually needs to occur.

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james murez: Well, outside of the Venice boundaries, because the idea would be you know, and we did a study on this in the previous term, that if somebody wanted to get on a.

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james murez: Bus at three o'clock in the morning and depending on the traffic signals they could get from Marina del rey of downtown Santa Monica and 60 minutes, whereas it.

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james murez: At five o'clock in the afternoon it's going to take 45 minutes to an hour and a half and those were.

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james murez: You know, based on Google that's Google data that shows what the actual trip time is, and so the question would be is, is there a way that the Community plan could actually.

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james murez: branch out larger into more of a regional plan as well, to make the impact that's going to occur in Venice by the country traffic, perhaps to be mitigated by.

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james murez: Expanding the the the region to be larger than just the Venice boundaries, but rather to go, perhaps as far as Playa vista or West Chester or la X.

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james murez: Because, if you look at the actual traffic patterns what we're seeing and what all the data shows is that Santa Monica is the magnet for jobs and the South Bay is is the.

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james murez: hub for for housing and for residential traffic that comes up you know Lincoln boulevard and all of a sudden, the, the only way of getting through.

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james murez: is to cut through the neighborhood so that's something that I would really like to hear more about if there's a way that.

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james murez: The Community plan can actually address a larger region and and somehow be tied into the West la and then you know, Robert mentioned earlier on, that the.

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james murez: Previous Community plan actually talked about a State mobility regional transportation plan and I don't believe, and this is something you might want to check with the other planners that.

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james murez: Since highway 187 which was Venice boulevard was relinquish in the early 1990s from caltrans to the city of Los Angeles, I don't believe that that that regional plan is actually been updated.

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james murez: And I don't believe the 2035 mobility transportation plan took that into consideration and that and that relinquishment actually east of Lincoln occurred more recently in the 2015 range around there and and.

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james murez: You know, it now would be a great time to be thinking about it that you know it's something that I just and then the only other thing I wanted to mention is, is there a way that we could look at some of our streets as as.

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james murez: visitor occupant kinds of streams that on weekends, perhaps, maybe we could close down all of the traffic to to.

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james murez: Nothing, but perhaps a shuttle bus and pedestrian and bicycle traffic and is that something you think we can also get perhaps into the into the planet i'd like to see it in my mind, I would like to see a fluid plan, something that doesn't necessarily define.

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james murez: The static information, but rather something that could be considered as as more flexible, so as autonomous driving comes in, can that have a big impact on on how much parking, we have to provide and what the traffic patterns have to be.

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james murez: You know I want to see see where can continue to define itself as time goes on, rather than having to come back and revisited every 20 years, not that every 20 years is a bad thing, but i'd like to see happen more frequently on automatically because of patterns of change.

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james murez: Thank you.

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Laura MacPherson: Thanks Jim and I know that our Community plan team has been working with Santa Monica and culver city and the four teams are working pretty closely together for that regional perspective I think in terms of data, I think we can write the policies.

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Laura MacPherson: In the Community plan for sure to kind of be informed and innovate, as more data becomes available.

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Laura MacPherson: So I think that's something that we could definitely work with you on.

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Right up here.

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Elizabeth Clay: you're muted Robert.

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Elizabeth Clay: you're talking.

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robertthibodeau: I was saying, we have one more hand up is Elizabeth who hasn't spoken and.

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Elizabeth Clay: So yeah lunch and Jim actually started mentioning exactly what I wanted to comment on, I was thinking at the museum about how if.

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Elizabeth Clay: Prior to 19 we said suggested that patios should extend out into the roads, there would have been like.

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Elizabeth Clay: A stampede in the street right that would have been marching to hang us, but now it's an everyday thing we wouldn't want to see those patios go.

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Elizabeth Clay: And no one died like we lost lots of parking and now we all got over it, and I think as time goes on, and we have driverless cars and there's going to be.

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Elizabeth Clay: Less need to have three vehicles in the family and and these single occupancy vehicles that are coming soon, and I hope we're planning for things like that smaller parking spaces that can accommodate those things.

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Elizabeth Clay: But I was thinking now while you're doing a traffic study, can you incorporate selecting a pedestrian friendly area, just like the promenade in Santa Monica you most most.

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Elizabeth Clay: cities that are advanced do have a pedestrian friendly walk zone.

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Elizabeth Clay: And I see when word circle is perhaps being that area, maybe i'm wrong, maybe it's something else.

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Elizabeth Clay: But something close to the beach were closing off the last part of the street again isn't going to kill in one you know there'll be some pushback but probably not a lot, I think that would be an easy one to entertain.

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Elizabeth Clay: But I know that if you don't do a traffic study there'll be a big screen if you try to implement it, so now would be the time to focus on an area like that.

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Elizabeth Clay: that's it thanks Elizabeth and I think.

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Laura MacPherson: That what that was one of the big concepts, I think, for Windward was to transition when word into a pedestrian oriented street like an extension of the boardwalk.

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Laura MacPherson: So yeah and thanks for your comments about the the restaurants, as well, I know that I was in Venice visiting friend and like this summer, and it was kind of my first time out in the world.

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Laura MacPherson: And a long time, and I was kind of blown away at how many people were out on the streets dining and it was pretty amazing so yeah.

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robertthibodeau: Talking about muted one thing i've heard from the Community quite a bit, and I think both Isabel and Sarah have been on.

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robertthibodeau: On a lot of this is that a beautification and.

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robertthibodeau: You know a lot of times the engineers from do T and caltrans end up sort of taking over these projects, but hopefully hopefully we don't we're not too short sighted and.

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robertthibodeau: While we're putting in our additional sort of bus lanes and you know parking requirements and stuff like that we take the opportunity to.

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robertthibodeau: To make things Nice, you know, to make things beautiful and I when when we sat at the last link and fast forward meaning.

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robertthibodeau: You know that was the overwhelming response from the people from east of Lincoln and from you know, there was some concern about the businesses but really people people want to you know you're going to redo everything.

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robertthibodeau: let's get some let's get some greenery let's let's make things pedestrian friendly I mean now that's really what I heard from from from people a lot, and that was my takeaway and I.

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robertthibodeau: I think i'm speaking for the Community, when I say these things.

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robertthibodeau: Though that I want to thank you a lot, thank you for coming here Laura and we'll let you go and.

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robertthibodeau: The you know I look forward to communicating either with you, or to the people who you.

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robertthibodeau: listed two new two names there that i'll catch you later and.

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robertthibodeau: You know, hopefully, I guess we'll put emotion before the dnc at some point that sort of addresses the topics it seemed to be covered in the Community plan, whether it's shuttles or whether it's beautification or whether it's you know all of these types of things from the.

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robertthibodeau: perspective of streetscape and.

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robertthibodeau: You know, again really appreciate your time, you know it's it's daunting.

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robertthibodeau: You know.

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robertthibodeau: So thanks a lot well.

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Laura MacPherson: yeah I really appreciate you having me and feel free to reach out to all the members of the committee and the public i'm not sure if you are all of you.

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Laura MacPherson: But feel free to drop me a line and if I don't have the answers i'm certainly you know i'll work my hardest to get them for you and get you in contact with the right people so.

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robertthibodeau: Thanks a lot.

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Laura MacPherson: yeah Thank you so much, everyone have a great night.

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james murez: Thank you Laura.

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Okay.

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robertthibodeau: i'm john could you take it, I think we're going to move.

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robertthibodeau: The old business things here mildred I don't think there's anybody here for mildred if you are here from mildred Elizabeth i'm going to put your hand down.

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robertthibodeau: Speed bumps on Pacific that's old hurricane, so we had a gentleman who I believe was here for hurricane.

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robertthibodeau: They get Steve sorry I don't know my emails in front of me do you mind.

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robertthibodeau: Taking taken over on this one for a second because I gotta I gotta go grab my kid for one minute and i'll be back.

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james murez: Yes, Betsy bradbury was.

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james murez: submitted that.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah yeah so Steve do you want to do you want to just tell us what you'd wanted to present to us and.

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Jonathan Deer: just give us a short summary of what's up over there and what you're looking for.

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Steve Bradbury: Absolutely, can you all hear me.

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Steve Bradbury: Yes, oh great Thank you so thank you very much for allowing the time here, this is being kind of an ongoing battle that goes back to 2016 i'm embarrassed to say.

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Steve Bradbury: You know the city is building a new pumping a redundant pumping station at the edge of hurricane I live at one or nine hurricane my wife and I do, which is.

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Steve Bradbury: right down the block from there on the corner lot and as far back as 2016 when we were at the draft er er meeting a number of our.

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showed up delicious.

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Steve Bradbury: Excuse me.

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Steve Bradbury: Oh.

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Steve Bradbury: I think, Robert was talking to somebody else.

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Steve Bradbury: yeah I think I was feeding you guys tonight so i'm at the draft II II II II meeting in November.

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Steve Bradbury: Of 2016 we were very vociferous about not having any public parking there, because they were talking about taking the lot at 128 hurricane.

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Steve Bradbury: and converting that into a parking lot that would incorporate public spaces now there's no other public parking on the peninsula, except down at the jetty.

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Steve Bradbury: there's no public lots anywhere on the peninsula, so why set a precedent homeless is already becoming an issue and people like hanging out in space for people to hang out so we were very clear about that, and they they listen to us in theory.

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Steve Bradbury: push forward to.

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Steve Bradbury: Some somebody Jonathan quaver square of us, I guess works with the city noted that someone on this committee expressed a desire for more public parking adjacent to the pumpkin plan.

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Steve Bradbury: don't know that is I don't know who what someone who may not be on the committee anymore didn't make any sense in.

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Steve Bradbury: One of my neighbors a guy named rick who lives on fleet on those last name sent and, by the way, we've been talking to the city and to bonds office, the whole time and they supposedly were supporting us.

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Steve Bradbury: rick sent an email to tailor basically pointing out inaccuracies around the property line and issue a lot size and a lot encroaching on what path and.

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Steve Bradbury: I in middle of 2018 sent a note to the city to Jen REP stock and debbie downer Harris who worked for bonding and Fernando Gonzalez and Tony darrelle.

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Steve Bradbury: Saying hey what is anything been decided yet and then basically fast forward nothing heard no response and fast forward to right before thanksgiving of this year, I have a document.

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Steve Bradbury: That was the joint determination of the director of planning and zoning administrator that was dated November 18 was arrived like thanksgiving week.

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Steve Bradbury: And, apparently, I had to be filing a file an appeal by December 6 and I missed that because I was out of town.

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Steve Bradbury: Saying that you know what we've looked at it and too bad we're going to have instead of eight spots we're going to have seven spots and four bicycle spot and we're going to take the eighth spot and turned into bicycle spots.

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Steve Bradbury: So basically at all the concerns that we had about about trying to not have.

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Steve Bradbury: Area of congregation at the end of our street and all the concerns we have about security and who's going to protect this, and even if they're putting low level security lighting in there, but.

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Steve Bradbury: I mean it's bad enough that we have to go and hire a private security firm, because the La city is like you know if it bleeds it leads otherwise thanks for calling but don't waste your time.

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Steve Bradbury: And now we're going to have a location, that is actually appealing to homeless and other people to congregate whenever they want at the end of our street and it's the only parking structure parking location on the entire peninsula.

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Steve Bradbury: You know at this point I don't know what can be done, like I said, there is this whole report, I can send you guys case the case number of it but it's just so frustrating, because we all expressed these concerns all of us living on hurricane.

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Steve Bradbury: and obviously they didn't care, one way or the other, and so that's an issue that's an ongoing issue I don't know what can be done, I mentioned it to Jim.

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Steve Bradbury: Last summer, when you know at an event that I met him at and just kind of re engaged here to say.

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Steve Bradbury: Is there anything that can be done here to change things, while they're going through the coastal Commission approvals, and all this other stuff I don't know but.

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Steve Bradbury: we're concerned I mean this is my house, this is our property, and this is, you know our street, and you know I don't want people bad enough, we got people all around the city all around over the summer looking for.

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Steve Bradbury: Looking for parking spaces, now they know there's a lot there they're going to be queued up down hurricane waiting for a parking space so.

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Jonathan Deer: yeah I wouldn't mind addressing you, you mentioned this committee, I wouldn't mind addressing that so that the you know i've been on the committee, since it formed five and a half or six years ago, and we did have a presentation, I recall it in 2017 on that parking lot.

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Jonathan Deer: And we had no Community members show up at all, so we, the only people we heard from was the city I can't remember exactly who it was.

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Jonathan Deer: We were to ask to take any position on it, we didn't take any position committee positions.

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Jonathan Deer: Are our past by emotion and then they're sent to the dnc to take a public position sign any comments that somebody made on the committee was just talk, there was no.

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Jonathan Deer: I don't recall anyone saying they wanted or didn't want parking because there was nothing before us in that regard, it was informational and to the degree that they're attempting to use some comment offhand comment made from this committee.

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Jonathan Deer: it's not a dnc position, so you can feel free to.

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Jonathan Deer: You know point that out there's no there was no official position that I recall.

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Steve Bradbury: i'm just taking the using that as the determination it just was something.

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Jonathan Deer: else but just even even as a piece of.

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Jonathan Deer: You know, trying to wait something as if the committee had a position.

517
01:00:45.720 --> 01:00:57.360
Jonathan Deer: We didn't tonight attempt I didn't know what date, it was so I did before, before you came today I did attempt to go back and look through minutes and see if there's anything mentioned about it and I couldn't find anything but.

518
01:00:58.410 --> 01:01:08.430
Jonathan Deer: You know, when we when we take action and there's a position there's a record of it and and it's it's voted on by the committee and then it's either past or not passed by the neighborhood Council.

519
01:01:09.930 --> 01:01:18.420
Jonathan Deer: In terms of in terms of what can be done moving forward, you know you can ask the Committee to consider motions or anything and we'll.

520
01:01:18.840 --> 01:01:35.640
Jonathan Deer: Listen to input and and do something, you know either pass emotion or not pass it or but we'll certainly consider it that's that's within our you know parking is part of what we listened to and consider and make determinations on so that's certainly something we would do.

521
01:01:38.130 --> 01:01:44.700
robertthibodeau: Which flawed, is it on hurricane i'm trying to share I think i'm still sharing the.

522
01:01:45.270 --> 01:01:53.610
Jonathan Deer: it's it's right at the end there, you know where there's that's where the pump where they did all the pump work right you're talking about right next door they did the pump work right.

523
01:01:53.730 --> 01:02:04.080
Steve Bradbury: Right, so the love the parking lot is going to be at 128 hurricane, which by the way, i'm not clear that the city actually owns yet even trying to heavy handedly trying to acquire it.

524
01:02:04.470 --> 01:02:06.120
robertthibodeau: Can you guys see my screen again.

525
01:02:06.450 --> 01:02:06.930
james murez: Yes.

526
01:02:07.260 --> 01:02:11.280
robertthibodeau: So you're talking about this lot here where i'm running my cursor over.

527
01:02:12.270 --> 01:02:13.050
james murez: A little bit Robert.

528
01:02:15.150 --> 01:02:15.960
robertthibodeau: Maybe.

529
01:02:17.610 --> 01:02:18.690
Steve Bradbury: Who, that is, the lot.

530
01:02:19.590 --> 01:02:23.880
Jonathan Deer: yeah and that's that's the big pumping station right next to it.

531
01:02:24.150 --> 01:02:25.200
Steve Bradbury: And then they did I.

532
01:02:25.200 --> 01:02:27.120
Jonathan Deer: don't want straight.

533
01:02:27.270 --> 01:02:38.940
Steve Bradbury: across from the existing pumping station is going to be the redundant pumping station which, for the record, they told us was going to be mostly underground and apparently it's going to be 25 or 30 feet up in the air, but that's a whole separate thing.

534
01:02:41.880 --> 01:02:43.080
robertthibodeau: So we're telling you as a lot.

535
01:02:43.110 --> 01:02:47.520
Steve Bradbury: On the other side of hurricane that's where the pumping stations, going to be in where you're moving your mouse.

536
01:02:47.910 --> 01:02:55.920
Steve Bradbury: yeah 128 hurricane, which is supposedly the parking lot and everything, by the way, on that side is all housing it's all private it's all.

537
01:02:57.540 --> 01:03:04.920
Steve Bradbury: apartment buildings and condos and whatever and i'm, on the other end of hurricane and in the in the alleyway.

538
01:03:05.490 --> 01:03:06.720
Steve Bradbury: No, no, no i'm not on that.

539
01:03:09.090 --> 01:03:12.630
Steve Bradbury: on that side yeah that that red dot that first one yeah that's mine.

540
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:13.530
james murez: gotcha.

541
01:03:13.800 --> 01:03:23.280
robertthibodeau: So I asked a woman who used to own this law wasn't there there, I remember her, I remember when this lot was for sale this isn't city properties is private property isn't it.

542
01:03:24.930 --> 01:03:32.130
Steve Bradbury: I can tell you from the report, who owns it, or at least to the report as said as of December, if you bear with me for a second.

543
01:03:32.550 --> 01:03:37.200
robertthibodeau: yeah I remember when this was for sale, but no one would touch it because it's so close to the pump station.

544
01:03:40.530 --> 01:03:47.790
james murez: I want to just comment on the prior meeting I actually do recall this and what I recall, was we were very concerned about the.

545
01:03:48.240 --> 01:03:54.510
james murez: parcel and and they use that they were they were claiming that they were going to use it only for their employees.

546
01:03:54.930 --> 01:04:02.160
james murez: And the questions we had was well Okay, how are you going to prevent other people from using it, and how are you going to light it.

547
01:04:02.460 --> 01:04:11.580
james murez: At night, so it doesn't bother people, and how are you going to landscape it and we wanted to make sure that they had like ball was going in that they were going to meet all of the.

548
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:23.490
james murez: Standards for creating a parking lot and it sort of sounds like they've done an about face and turning it into a public parking lot and that raises a couple of questions for me because.

549
01:04:23.880 --> 01:04:44.070
james murez: I know from the farmers market parking lot, which is lot 71 you know they do tease inventory that because it's owned outright by the city as part of general services land that there and they have the title to the land it's not considered a public parking lot.

550
01:04:45.540 --> 01:04:46.890
james murez: in the sense that.

551
01:04:48.330 --> 01:05:00.660
james murez: For instance, the homeless people that want to Camp are allowed to Camp on it they're actually able to put up no trespassing signs between certain hours and they can actually very tightly control that.

552
01:05:01.590 --> 01:05:12.150
james murez: And I remember having the conversation about how did they plan on enforcing and and I don't recall how they were going to do it, but they were going to have a gated I recall them, saying that they were going to gain a lot.

553
01:05:12.510 --> 01:05:22.260
james murez: So if they put up if they indeed do own the property outright and it's not part of something that belongs to street services where they have some sort of an easement right.

554
01:05:22.980 --> 01:05:33.660
james murez: Then I believe that they can actually restrict the lot to only be usable by only their department or by the public, however, they want to do it.

555
01:05:34.290 --> 01:05:43.110
james murez: and very tightly restrict the access times and rights, and all of that kind of thing and I guess if they're going to make it a public parking lot big question would be is how are they going to.

556
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:46.920
james murez: Keep people from camping there forever and you know they could have been in parking meters and.

557
01:05:47.940 --> 01:05:52.410
james murez: You know what are the restrictions, going to be so, I think that yeah This is something that the committee should probably take up.

558
01:05:52.710 --> 01:06:08.520
james murez: and weigh in on how would it be controlled, if it was to be a public parking lot, because just leave it open ended is leaving it up to the powers to be which, from my recollection and now they're making it public is not anything they ever intended to do.

559
01:06:09.270 --> 01:06:10.170
So.

560
01:06:11.460 --> 01:06:12.420
robertthibodeau: Maybe.

561
01:06:13.530 --> 01:06:17.430
james murez: On the agenda Robert for discussion and possible action.

562
01:06:17.850 --> 01:06:22.170
james murez: And yeah one there you can certainly weigh in on.

563
01:06:23.490 --> 01:06:34.260
james murez: Passing emotion, to send forward to the board, they would at least do nothing more than asked questions like you know how is this going to be controlled in a way that it doesn't disrupt the neighborhood.

564
01:06:34.740 --> 01:06:45.030
Elizabeth Clay: Can can we get all the correspondence i'm sure, there must be a fear factor involved here for the city right now to create anything that isn't fenced in is open land.

565
01:06:45.660 --> 01:06:51.030
Elizabeth Clay: This is not the climate to be offering open land that's unprotected right, so I.

566
01:06:51.840 --> 01:07:07.980
Elizabeth Clay: think you could create the fear factor scenario there, because if there's liability attached to creating another open area for people to Camp right next to a city service that's an essential service, you know that's.

567
01:07:08.880 --> 01:07:14.280
Elizabeth Clay: I think he can make it he can make a critical argument there, but you may need to involve.

568
01:07:15.330 --> 01:07:22.320
Elizabeth Clay: A lawyer in that correspondence or consultant of some sort maybe we could give some guidance around.

569
01:07:23.550 --> 01:07:27.330
Elizabeth Clay: Through are all of us have some sort of experience, dealing with the city.

570
01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:38.340
Elizabeth Clay: On these kinds of issues there it's really just a matter of speaking to the right person, you spoke to all the wrong people like everyone you listed I just cringed because they just never answer anything.

571
01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:45.900
Elizabeth Clay: Really, for any reason that's not really their expertise and I think you need to get deeper into coastal Commission.

572
01:07:47.310 --> 01:07:57.390
Elizabeth Clay: and talk to people who can actually rubber stamp, and you know, an opinion on on the topic everyone else you spoke to is just purely bureaucratic.

573
01:07:57.990 --> 01:08:05.970
Elizabeth Clay: You learn that you burn through a lot of time, probably thinking you're going through the right, the right steps, but just say it, how I see it, I see.

574
01:08:06.600 --> 01:08:18.990
Elizabeth Clay: If we can, if I would think if I could make sense of this thing not a safe area to put public parking then i'll give you my advice on how to move forward, maybe you.

575
01:08:19.290 --> 01:08:33.810
Steve Bradbury: can ask a question, or just anybody, I mean this seems that they're sort of setting a precedent of creating a public parking area in an area where there are no public parking areas I mean if you come.

576
01:08:33.810 --> 01:08:35.190
Elizabeth Clay: Is a calling it public.

577
01:08:35.190 --> 01:08:49.320
Elizabeth Clay: parking there must be a reason that they think they need seven parking spots like public parking is typically 30 spots 25 but seven is almost not even worth mentioning as public parking.

578
01:08:49.410 --> 01:08:58.530
Steve Bradbury: As much as I can read through from in this final document my earlier correspondence, they were originally saying they needed two to three spots for employees.

579
01:08:59.100 --> 01:09:07.740
Steve Bradbury: And they were proposing a total of eight and then they made eight into seven by putting for bike fit converting one of the spots into for bicycle spots.

580
01:09:08.040 --> 01:09:13.410
Steve Bradbury: But they said they needed to 234 employees, because honestly they told they need at any given time it's.

581
01:09:13.770 --> 01:09:22.500
Steve Bradbury: it's just a couple of employees who are at the pumping station at any given time, so they said yeah we can put landscaping around it in an art installation and all that, like who cares.

582
01:09:23.040 --> 01:09:30.810
Steve Bradbury: You know you get one point they were talking about putting ventures in or like new ventures, you know I mean it just the whole thing doesn't make any sense but.

583
01:09:31.170 --> 01:09:38.940
Steve Bradbury: From my perspective, they're setting a precedent to allow themselves to reclaim other parts other properties on the peninsula.

584
01:09:39.270 --> 01:09:48.480
Steve Bradbury: and turn them into what they call quote unquote parking areas where the only parking is either at the Venice peer or at the jetty or street parking and.

585
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:57.960
Steve Bradbury: One of the benefits and one of the reasons we say high property taxes is not so many people can come down to the peninsula, because in the summertime there's only a limited amount of parking.

586
01:09:58.110 --> 01:10:03.270
Elizabeth Clay: where's the political pressure, coming from yeah we really do have to get behind the veil on this one.

587
01:10:04.110 --> 01:10:16.740
Elizabeth Clay: who's someone had this bright idea, and you got to find that someone and figure out what they're really thinking and then drag that someone down to this area and show them what happens to open space when.

588
01:10:17.310 --> 01:10:24.900
Elizabeth Clay: it's not fenced you know and it's not locked down it's not lit up this could become dangerous i'm not for.

589
01:10:25.590 --> 01:10:39.810
Elizabeth Clay: If I was in your home, I saw your home on the corner, you know my concern might not be this lineup of traffic going to seven spots, because those will be filled at 9am that keep on going down there after that but it's more so the crime and.

590
01:10:40.890 --> 01:10:49.020
Steve Bradbury: All my concerns the home absolutely the homeless issue, I mean that's like saying we in the peninsula, have had to go get our own private securities, a lot of other areas.

591
01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:56.880
Steve Bradbury: yeah we just switching over from spss to RNA for hopefully that makes a difference, but it just it just doesn't make any sense.

592
01:10:57.060 --> 01:10:57.300
james murez: You know.

593
01:10:57.510 --> 01:11:07.200
robertthibodeau: Though, so why why don't know if you have I mean i'd rather not a sort of create emotion on the fly i'd like to keep the meeting.

594
01:11:07.890 --> 01:11:20.640
robertthibodeau: Moving that's my for pride, is to try and end these things by nine o'clock could you come back to us on the first Monday next month with a solid motion, and then we can.

595
01:11:21.570 --> 01:11:30.810
robertthibodeau: We can support you, you know whether or not it's an issue of fencing and locked you know after work hours at six o'clock or you know, whatever it is.

596
01:11:31.830 --> 01:11:46.920
robertthibodeau: or no parking at all see if that flies I mean whatever you think your best strategy is why don't you write it in the most specific motion that we can support honestly I didn't i'm not sure if I was on the committee, I might have been on in 17 i'm not, I think I might not have been so.

597
01:11:48.060 --> 01:11:59.220
robertthibodeau: It was only and see I was on a B and C, I mean this sounds vaguely familiar, but not not to specifics, but could you could you take this back home and write up emotion, like a.

598
01:11:59.850 --> 01:12:00.150
Elizabeth Clay: You know.

599
01:12:00.540 --> 01:12:08.910
robertthibodeau: Just the correspondence yeah four to six sentence motion on on how you see this going down, and then we can take it up, neither support it or not.

600
01:12:09.150 --> 01:12:18.420
Steve Bradbury: For I mean I don't know that i'm an expert in writing motions but i'm happy to do it i'll write the motion as best I can, and I certainly Where would you like me to send.

601
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:28.440
Steve Bradbury: materials that I have correspondence of this the case number which you can look up I guess you could just get paid off of the city website where should I send all this to.

602
01:12:28.740 --> 01:12:37.080
robertthibodeau: If you send it to myself or to Jim Jerez will will kind of put it in a bundle together and then, when you present will have it all.

603
01:12:38.310 --> 01:12:38.610
Jonathan Deer: Okay.

604
01:12:39.150 --> 01:12:45.900
Jonathan Deer: And we, we often don't don't get too freaked out about writing up the motion just write up what you want.

605
01:12:46.200 --> 01:12:46.560
robertthibodeau: So yeah.

606
01:12:46.590 --> 01:12:50.070
Jonathan Deer: Let me tell you how it works, because we rewrite them here to you know.

607
01:12:50.130 --> 01:12:51.420
Steve Bradbury: What if you have something I just.

608
01:12:51.480 --> 01:12:53.310
robertthibodeau: I just don't want to do it from scratch right now.

609
01:12:53.370 --> 01:13:02.130
Jonathan Deer: yeah you know but but but, but let me say that you know, the more backup and information, you can be prepared to give us.

610
01:13:03.240 --> 01:13:06.990
Jonathan Deer: A basis to act on it more it's helpful to us.

611
01:13:07.050 --> 01:13:15.300
Steve Bradbury: You may ask one final question, if I may do you want me to have names of people living on the street, who support this does that help yes.

612
01:13:15.510 --> 01:13:17.400
robertthibodeau: Yes, absolutely yes.

613
01:13:17.490 --> 01:13:21.180
Jonathan Deer: And if you have them all sign off on emotional that helps even more.

614
01:13:21.450 --> 01:13:24.060
robertthibodeau: So yeah, the more you can get the better.

615
01:13:24.390 --> 01:13:27.540
james murez: see before you get off, let me just ask you one other quick question.

616
01:13:27.750 --> 01:13:28.380
james murez: Sure um.

617
01:13:28.530 --> 01:13:34.470
james murez: You mentioned that this is already gone through city planning, and it was signed off in December and missed the appeal period.

618
01:13:34.740 --> 01:13:53.460
james murez: Yes, do you know what the next date of action is I mean typically the city has a 20 day appeal period the coastal Commission and if it's already gone through the coastal Commission i'm not sure that there's anything we can do as far as changing the.

619
01:13:54.600 --> 01:14:00.810
james murez: Designation of it, and maybe we should rather be thinking about how to control.

620
01:14:02.850 --> 01:14:07.470
james murez: The designation meaning, can we make it back into an employee parking lot.

621
01:14:07.890 --> 01:14:13.260
james murez: And you know we have to keep in mind that the coastal Commission is all about visitor access.

622
01:14:13.530 --> 01:14:24.720
james murez: And if we were to try and say that there are no other, that this is a precedence, I can tell you they're not going to buy that because there used to be over a dozen lots like this in the Venice canals.

623
01:14:25.110 --> 01:14:39.960
james murez: In the canal area where those lots were traded for parcels down around where you are, that are actually underwater and if you step across the grand canal to the opposite side of the peninsula.

624
01:14:40.620 --> 01:14:46.200
james murez: The Marina del rey side at the end of all of the walk streets that are over there, there are multiple.

625
01:14:46.950 --> 01:15:00.780
james murez: very small 346 car parking areas at the ends of the street, so I mean we can't I want you just to get what you want, out of this and if it's already gone to coastal or if it's if it's being.

626
01:15:01.590 --> 01:15:11.070
james murez: represented as a visitor access benefit, I think we really need to focus on restricting it perhaps from sunrise to sunset.

627
01:15:11.550 --> 01:15:20.040
james murez: and keeping it close the rest of the time, and how can we enforce and make sure that the city abides by this is that the city response to it.

628
01:15:20.310 --> 01:15:33.510
james murez: And that there's tollway signs and there's no trespassing signs and all these kinds of things that will save your neighborhood by getting the proper enforcement and if it's already too late to try and change that designation.

629
01:15:33.780 --> 01:15:46.200
Steve Bradbury: And it will here's what I Maybe I should do this is, this is a 32 page document, and I suspect you'll be able to identify what you're asking in about five seconds Okay, I sent to you and Robert the case number.

630
01:15:46.410 --> 01:15:56.340
Steve Bradbury: yeah so that you can just look that up probably right away and see the whole document and address that question, and we can communicate and you can tell me what you think is the next best steps.

631
01:15:56.460 --> 01:16:02.400
Steve Bradbury: yeah and we can go from there and i'm happy to come back next month and present whatever you know the formula.

632
01:16:03.660 --> 01:16:17.820
Elizabeth Clay: And I interrupt for a second all right and Steve are you happy if you're met in the middle and it's fenced and and closed and used only for the personnel parking for that that building.

633
01:16:18.300 --> 01:16:23.910
Steve Bradbury: If if that's, the only purpose and it's strictly enforced, and all that week.

634
01:16:23.940 --> 01:16:26.910
Steve Bradbury: I can only speak for everybody else here, but I mean personally.

635
01:16:27.060 --> 01:16:29.130
Steve Bradbury: That would be much better than what we're looking at now.

636
01:16:29.220 --> 01:16:31.950
Elizabeth Clay: And you said that that's originally the way it started off.

637
01:16:32.280 --> 01:16:33.540
Elizabeth Clay: Well, sold to you.

638
01:16:33.630 --> 01:16:48.690
Steve Bradbury: There was a lot of talking about that it was going to be a parking for just the employees, but they were not they were very vague about how many employees, there would need to be parked there, so they never came out and said we need three spaces for three employees, they just said, well.

639
01:16:48.690 --> 01:16:53.130
Elizabeth Clay: It was employee not public i'm just using like does that terminology is quite important.

640
01:16:53.280 --> 01:16:54.930
Elizabeth Clay: And when you have Community impact.

641
01:16:55.500 --> 01:17:07.440
Elizabeth Clay: Coastal takes that very seriously if you were not given all of the facts up front, if there was not a proper survey out to the neighborhood so because the survey has to represent the facts.

642
01:17:07.710 --> 01:17:08.850
Elizabeth Clay: yeah was that.

643
01:17:09.150 --> 01:17:18.960
Elizabeth Clay: Was proper notification down to the neighborhood you've missed an appeal period, but maybe you can have a pullback there have been other projects have been pulled back because there was a problem.

644
01:17:19.380 --> 01:17:28.290
Elizabeth Clay: In the way it went through So if you if you see a hole in the process, you want to be looking for that different divergent wording.

645
01:17:29.430 --> 01:17:38.460
Elizabeth Clay: You want to read through what you were everything that you were given we won't have time but i'm just giving you giving you the heads up that's what you want to be scanning for is.

646
01:17:39.180 --> 01:17:54.330
Elizabeth Clay: Inappropriate language from one document to another document or language that could be misconstrued or is and clear, you know you want to paint the picture, whether your neighborhood was told the facts, whether they all signed off and said, this is amazing exactly what we want.

647
01:17:55.470 --> 01:18:02.460
Elizabeth Clay: or whether they mostly didn't want that, because that's what coastal is looking for they're looking for neighborhood impact.

648
01:18:02.730 --> 01:18:16.080
Steve Bradbury: Right got it I didn't see the answer your question is was 2016 I don't remember I do remember going to the first Dir and going whatever you're going to do that, you can't be at Cana public parking I don't recall.

649
01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:16.710
Elizabeth Clay: What.

650
01:18:17.130 --> 01:18:19.080
Elizabeth Clay: doesn't know for sure well.

651
01:18:19.140 --> 01:18:20.220
Elizabeth Clay: Whatever you want.

652
01:18:20.490 --> 01:18:27.270
Elizabeth Clay: Your painting is you're starting from today and you're painting the past just i'm giving you some tips on how you paint your picture.

653
01:18:27.390 --> 01:18:28.920
Steve Bradbury: got it God, I understand.

654
01:18:29.370 --> 01:18:40.770
james murez: And so I can tell you, for absolute certainty when the project was presented to the parking and transportation committee it was employee vehicles and service maintenance vehicles only.

655
01:18:41.190 --> 01:18:48.090
james murez: And then, when it was presented to the Board and the board had the same presentation about how they were doing it and how they were going to.

656
01:18:48.390 --> 01:19:05.190
james murez: be running a new pipe underneath Marina del rey and all of the rest of the stuff that was going on at the time it was still only employee parking can vehicle parking for the pumping station, there was never any talk about it becoming public parking So if you went back to the dnc.

657
01:19:06.570 --> 01:19:07.410
james murez: minutes.

658
01:19:08.490 --> 01:19:13.830
james murez: And did a search for hurricane or for pumping plant or whatever they called it.

659
01:19:15.300 --> 01:19:28.680
james murez: You might be able to find some of the discrepancies that Elizabeth is talking about in the Minutes because I do recall the board supporting that they were going to go forward with the pumping project.

660
01:19:28.950 --> 01:19:30.270
Steve Bradbury: And that was in 2017.

661
01:19:30.630 --> 01:19:32.040
james murez: I don't remember what it was.

662
01:19:33.540 --> 01:19:38.040
Steve Bradbury: I going to do a Sherlock Holmes here, I will I will do some work and see what I can come up with and.

663
01:19:39.150 --> 01:19:42.240
Steve Bradbury: Hopefully come back to in the next week or two, and we can go from there.

664
01:19:42.330 --> 01:19:42.960
robertthibodeau: Look at it.

665
01:19:43.590 --> 01:19:47.280
james murez: Look in the board minutes and look in the parking and transfer dates let's.

666
01:19:47.520 --> 01:19:53.670
robertthibodeau: wrap this this one up in will will entertain a motion The next meeting, so I have a couple.

667
01:19:53.760 --> 01:19:55.380
robertthibodeau: couple more items to get through here.

668
01:19:55.830 --> 01:19:57.060
Steve Bradbury: Thank you very much, I appreciate.

669
01:19:57.060 --> 01:19:58.590
robertthibodeau: That you're welcome and we.

670
01:19:58.650 --> 01:20:01.230
robertthibodeau: Thank you for looking out after your neighborhood there.

671
01:20:01.620 --> 01:20:03.420
james murez: And he does it as a search.

672
01:20:03.450 --> 01:20:04.230
james murez: From Google.

673
01:20:04.620 --> 01:20:05.070
Okay.

674
01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:17.310
robertthibodeau: So we have that was item seven we have item eight, which was the main street parking meters I forget which one of you attendees.

675
01:20:18.690 --> 01:20:23.670
robertthibodeau: wanted to remove some Main Street parking meters and if you raise your hand.

676
01:20:24.750 --> 01:20:25.920
robertthibodeau: You can make your case.

677
01:20:27.000 --> 01:20:29.190
robertthibodeau: So i'm looking over here.

678
01:20:31.200 --> 01:20:35.760
robertthibodeau: Tommy TIM Sean Paul Evan Erica Barry Steve.

679
01:20:37.770 --> 01:20:41.430
robertthibodeau: Your raise your hand if you want to present this i'm not going to present it for you.

680
01:20:45.270 --> 01:20:53.700
robertthibodeau: Okay, seeing no hands raised, I am going to punt this and it comes up next month, it comes up next month.

681
01:20:55.290 --> 01:21:00.180
robertthibodeau: next item i'm going to skip over nine for now because that's just me blabbing on.

682
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:06.390
robertthibodeau: 10 is overnight parking so we had again a.

683
01:21:07.890 --> 01:21:10.290
robertthibodeau: Community Member that wanted to.

684
01:21:11.580 --> 01:21:18.540
robertthibodeau: Talk about overnight parking I think it was berry berry there you want to raise your hand talk about overnight parking.

685
01:21:22.650 --> 01:21:24.420
robertthibodeau: I see you there I know it's you.

686
01:21:29.400 --> 01:21:32.070
robertthibodeau: Going once going twice Barry.

687
01:21:39.810 --> 01:21:40.590
robertthibodeau: Very there.

688
01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:42.090
barrycassilly: Yes, i'm here sorry.

689
01:21:42.570 --> 01:21:48.990
robertthibodeau: that's okay we're all we're all multitasking here, including myself, so you were the one who contacted me about.

690
01:21:50.220 --> 01:21:57.540
robertthibodeau: overnight parking do you wanna talk about what your concept is and we can make emotion if there's emotion together.

691
01:21:58.320 --> 01:22:01.980
barrycassilly: Okay, can everybody see the motion that that I uploaded.

692
01:22:03.660 --> 01:22:07.980
robertthibodeau: hey Jim can you pop for by chance, helped me on this because I never got forwarded to me.

693
01:22:09.210 --> 01:22:10.620
james murez: Was it forwarded to me very.

694
01:22:11.640 --> 01:22:12.270
barrycassilly: It was.

695
01:22:12.870 --> 01:22:13.200
robertthibodeau: It was.

696
01:22:13.230 --> 01:22:14.550
robertthibodeau: via the portal and.

697
01:22:15.660 --> 01:22:17.100
robertthibodeau: It never got forwarded to me.

698
01:22:17.220 --> 01:22:18.030
robertthibodeau: Oh.

699
01:22:18.390 --> 01:22:22.710
james murez: Do it through the portal, I have to exit out of full screen mode here hold on I can find.

700
01:22:26.400 --> 01:22:27.720
Through the portal, he said.

701
01:22:36.780 --> 01:22:38.700
barrycassilly: I could read it if if if.

702
01:22:39.210 --> 01:22:40.380
james murez: i'm just about there.

703
01:22:40.470 --> 01:22:43.110
robertthibodeau: you send me a long one Barry but you shortened it right.

704
01:22:44.490 --> 01:22:44.970
robertthibodeau: Okay.

705
01:22:45.060 --> 01:22:50.190
robertthibodeau: Could you send me like a three or four page thing that is probably too long to actually be emotion, but.

706
01:22:50.940 --> 01:22:52.500
barrycassilly: I can, I can send up sighs.

707
01:22:52.770 --> 01:22:53.790
robertthibodeau: But I never got the.

708
01:22:55.080 --> 01:22:57.480
robertthibodeau: portal version well.

709
01:22:57.540 --> 01:23:02.400
barrycassilly: I can synopsis verbally and maybe we could transfer scrub something quickly.

710
01:23:07.440 --> 01:23:08.880
robertthibodeau: Stephen give Jim a minute.

711
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:09.120
here.

712
01:23:14.070 --> 01:23:16.800
james murez: um how long ago with that have been.

713
01:23:18.030 --> 01:23:18.990
barrycassilly: A week or so ago.

714
01:23:24.120 --> 01:23:25.290
james murez: Well it's not in the portal.

715
01:23:26.580 --> 01:23:28.800
james murez: Maybe that's why it never got forward to the last one.

716
01:23:30.000 --> 01:23:35.460
james murez: The last one from you in the portal is back on 826 or 21.

717
01:23:37.440 --> 01:23:38.670
barrycassilly: No that's not that's not it.

718
01:23:39.210 --> 01:23:41.310
robertthibodeau: Is this would have been about two weeks ago.

719
01:23:41.370 --> 01:23:43.380
james murez: Was it from you as a user.

720
01:23:44.460 --> 01:23:46.140
Yes, yes.

721
01:23:47.910 --> 01:23:48.510
james murez: I don't know.

722
01:23:52.230 --> 01:23:52.890
I don't know.

723
01:23:54.060 --> 01:23:54.750
james murez: it's not here.

724
01:23:56.220 --> 01:23:57.750
james murez: I don't know what to say it's just not here.

725
01:23:58.830 --> 01:23:59.190
james murez: Okay.

726
01:23:59.790 --> 01:24:01.950
barrycassilly: Cindy publish with the agenda but.

727
01:24:02.190 --> 01:24:10.200
james murez: i'm looking for anything that might have been submitted, your name and they list them all by name and there's nothing in here.

728
01:24:11.520 --> 01:24:16.890
robertthibodeau: Do you want a synopsis in I mean I can pull up the big document because I think I have it via an email but uh.

729
01:24:20.070 --> 01:24:20.550
barrycassilly: sure.

730
01:24:23.280 --> 01:24:25.620
barrycassilly: The gist of it was that.

731
01:24:29.610 --> 01:24:31.230
barrycassilly: We acknowledge living in Venice.

732
01:24:32.490 --> 01:24:32.940
barrycassilly: That.

733
01:24:34.800 --> 01:24:35.820
barrycassilly: We don't own the beach.

734
01:24:38.520 --> 01:24:40.980
barrycassilly: we're a beat side community on.

735
01:24:42.120 --> 01:24:44.730
barrycassilly: The beach is a Community resource.

736
01:24:45.750 --> 01:24:49.110
barrycassilly: The larger Los Angeles community, and we have.

737
01:24:52.770 --> 01:24:56.220
barrycassilly: In part as a stewardship responsibility for the beach.

738
01:24:57.450 --> 01:25:14.580
barrycassilly: To guarantee access to the beach and to enhance visitor services um but that's a social contract with the larger community and any social contract arm that's based on an equitable relationships has like two sides to it.

739
01:25:15.780 --> 01:25:23.400
barrycassilly: um, and so what my motion said essentially was that Venice has been.

740
01:25:24.840 --> 01:25:38.910
barrycassilly: heavily impacted by the homeless situation here on it is on in some senses almost or running like the Community and.

741
01:25:40.320 --> 01:25:56.490
barrycassilly: I was proposing that it was reasonable to have parking limitations or parking limited to residents and their guests between 2am in the morning and 6am in the morning, along with providing.

742
01:25:58.110 --> 01:26:02.550
barrycassilly: safe parking and safe camping options not.

743
01:26:04.650 --> 01:26:16.200
barrycassilly: impacting sensitive Community resources like beaches parks schools or being adjust adjacent to residential neighborhoods but that we would provide.

744
01:26:17.160 --> 01:26:33.900
barrycassilly: That incumbents with a parking recession like this is the obligation to provide some kind of option for people to go to who happened to be homeless and living in their vehicles arm that that was the basis of the motion that that we.

745
01:26:35.490 --> 01:26:52.830
barrycassilly: aggressively, we all know that Mike bond has refused to provide any kind of reasonable safe park and receive camping options, he keeps trying to put them in the middle of places where he knows, nobody will ever accept them like our parks and our beaches.

746
01:26:53.910 --> 01:27:06.900
barrycassilly: So this is sort of a acknowledgment that we have a problem we have an obligation to participate in the solution of the problem, but we also have a right to.

747
01:27:07.950 --> 01:27:19.890
barrycassilly: Quiet enjoyment of our lives as Community members of Los Angeles, have a right to, and this, I think, relatively modest restriction 2am to 6am in the morning.

748
01:27:20.760 --> 01:27:29.400
barrycassilly: would go a long way towards reestablishing that balance i'm, not to say that if somebody was parked on the street and.

749
01:27:29.910 --> 01:27:40.710
barrycassilly: They because of the parking restriction had to go to a safe parking location overnight, that was not at the beach that they couldn't come back in the morning, if they wanted to.

750
01:27:42.000 --> 01:27:49.620
barrycassilly: arm, so this was the proposal restrict parking to residents and their guests between 2am in the morning 6am in the morning.

751
01:27:52.890 --> 01:27:54.480
robertthibodeau: shorts we like that.

752
01:27:56.640 --> 01:27:58.800
robertthibodeau: Okay, so opening it to public comment.

753
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:11.400
robertthibodeau: And I am trying to look at participants there see shawn o'brian and Erica more.

754
01:28:12.420 --> 01:28:15.240
robertthibodeau: Sean and allowing you to talk.

755
01:28:17.850 --> 01:28:22.260
Sean obrien: yeah guys thanks so much yeah this is, I enjoyed the meeting.

756
01:28:23.970 --> 01:28:35.220
Sean obrien: um This reminds me of when we tried when we voted at the Venice library about eight years ago, trying to get parking restrictions.

757
01:28:35.670 --> 01:28:48.030
Sean obrien: and coastal Commission shut us down, so I think it's going to be very difficult to get it passed, but we do need something, and if this is a first step, I support it thanks guys.

758
01:28:49.260 --> 01:28:49.800
robertthibodeau: Thanks sure.

759
01:28:51.060 --> 01:28:51.600
robertthibodeau: whoops.

760
01:28:52.830 --> 01:28:58.680
robertthibodeau: mute you Sean and then I see a hand up here Erica a lot of talk.

761
01:28:59.940 --> 01:29:01.290
robertthibodeau: You think you're live Erica.

762
01:29:01.650 --> 01:29:01.920
Can you.

763
01:29:03.390 --> 01:29:04.260
Erica Moore: hi can you hear me.

764
01:29:04.380 --> 01:29:05.280
robertthibodeau: Yes, we can.

765
01:29:05.760 --> 01:29:10.470
Erica Moore: Oh great okay hey, I just wanted to say that i'm wondering if this also it's going to kind of.

766
01:29:11.250 --> 01:29:16.920
Erica Moore: piggyback on you know, there is already existing laws about the parking overnight in your schools.

767
01:29:17.370 --> 01:29:28.140
Erica Moore: And we're located in East Tennessee that's happening a lot it used to be enforced and it's not now and that's concerning because school isn't session now so just wanted to acknowledge that.

768
01:29:29.550 --> 01:29:30.450
robertthibodeau: Thanks Erica.

769
01:29:33.120 --> 01:29:33.870
robertthibodeau: Okay.

770
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:37.770
robertthibodeau: Trying to look through the rest of you guys.

771
01:29:38.940 --> 01:29:44.490
robertthibodeau: I don't see any other hands up there, so i'm going to close unless someone sticks your hand up i'm going to close.

772
01:29:46.380 --> 01:29:48.180
robertthibodeau: The public comment on.

773
01:29:49.650 --> 01:29:52.620
robertthibodeau: That and now open it to the panelists.

774
01:29:54.870 --> 01:29:57.300
robertthibodeau: I see Mr ramirez.

775
01:29:59.610 --> 01:30:00.180
robertthibodeau: Okay.

776
01:30:01.200 --> 01:30:14.490
james murez: So I want to comment because i've spent a fair amount of time looking at preferential parking and we talked to the coastal Commission on many different occasions over many years, and what they want to have done.

777
01:30:15.390 --> 01:30:23.760
james murez: and going back to what Laura had mentioned in in in what she was working on with the Community plan.

778
01:30:25.440 --> 01:30:27.960
james murez: The thing that is always prevented.

779
01:30:29.250 --> 01:30:44.130
james murez: Any kind of restriction on the local residents have any kind of priority whatsoever typically it's called zone parking or preferential parking whether it's 2am to 6am or whether or not it's 24 seven.

780
01:30:45.360 --> 01:30:58.470
james murez: The case that the coastal Commission is always made is that if you're going to restrict public access to the beach, you have to provide an alternate solution.

781
01:30:59.310 --> 01:31:08.460
james murez: And it doesn't matter if it's a camper or if it's somebody just parking a car and visiting somebody lives in the Community if you're going to create.

782
01:31:08.820 --> 01:31:12.660
james murez: zone parking you have to provide an alternate solution.

783
01:31:13.140 --> 01:31:30.960
james murez: And it has to be done at a one to one basis, so if you take one parking space off the street for preferential party or zone party, you have to find one parking space off street where they can where they can park that and where the public could still wants to go to the beach can park.

784
01:31:32.820 --> 01:31:41.280
james murez: And they're not differentiating between campers or whatever you take a public parking space away, they want to see that parking space being recreated upstream.

785
01:31:41.850 --> 01:31:50.310
james murez: And I think that that's a fundamental problem that one of the things that Laura said in in in her deposition when she was providing.

786
01:31:50.760 --> 01:32:00.180
james murez: commentary about what she's doing on the Community plan, she said that they had been working on a third party that had been doing a parking study.

787
01:32:00.750 --> 01:32:12.600
james murez: And that parking study is something that the parking and transportation committee asked for, I believe it was back in 2015 or 26 early 2016.

788
01:32:13.260 --> 01:32:29.640
james murez: And the city has continuously pushed it off, but that parking plan would describe how many parking spaces, there are on the street, at present, and one of the conversations that I once had with the coastal Commission was that.

789
01:32:30.780 --> 01:32:43.890
james murez: If you have a 24 hour clock, which we all go by, and if you were to take preferential parking per se eight hours a day, and maybe it would be from six o'clock at night until.

790
01:32:44.850 --> 01:32:54.390
james murez: Two o'clock in the morning and made that your time zone where you were going to enforce preferential parking and the idea, there was, as the people coming home from work would have a place to park.

791
01:32:55.920 --> 01:33:05.130
james murez: That you're only using an eight hour span and since there's a 24 hour time slot if you created a parking space in an off street site someplace.

792
01:33:06.390 --> 01:33:12.390
james murez: That that was 24 hours that, theoretically, you could have three times as many places.

793
01:33:13.920 --> 01:33:24.660
james murez: On expanding the the the zone to three times as many spaces, because you really taking an eight hour slot because the math worked out and because there was.

794
01:33:25.380 --> 01:33:40.380
james murez: Enough available parking to do it for 24 hours so it's something to think about and I don't really know how the committee can push forward something where the city has tried twice before and sort of climate times before they were turned down because they did not.

795
01:33:41.220 --> 01:33:41.580
Erica Moore: work.

796
01:33:41.610 --> 01:33:44.010
Erica Moore: Are you sure it's three what happens is the case.

797
01:33:44.100 --> 01:33:47.730
james murez: Erica we can hear you but there we go anyway.

798
01:33:49.020 --> 01:33:58.620
james murez: I just throw that out there, I don't want to discourage you completely, but I don't see any way in all the years i've been doing this and being able to put forward emotion like that and have it actually.

799
01:33:59.490 --> 01:34:06.480
james murez: be something that the city and the coastal Commission can get behind and any parking change at all would have to get coastal approval.

800
01:34:09.810 --> 01:34:10.860
james murez: that's my two cents.

801
01:34:13.320 --> 01:34:15.300
james murez: john i'll pass the baton.

802
01:34:19.050 --> 01:34:27.870
Jonathan Deer: All right, yeah so I was going to bring up something along similar lines, so this committees looked at that issue since really since we were formed and we've.

803
01:34:28.560 --> 01:34:41.640
Jonathan Deer: And we fought pretty hard to try to get information Jim when he led the committee had a number of different ideas to try to create a space for us to get concepts like you're talking about and.

804
01:34:43.020 --> 01:34:46.710
Jonathan Deer: And it's it's a battle, you know we try to do an inventory of.

805
01:34:47.790 --> 01:35:00.450
Jonathan Deer: parking spots, that are not currently being counted by the within you know the coastal Commission was unaware of that we could add on to make space on streets, you know to grab some of those spots back to us.

806
01:35:01.170 --> 01:35:13.980
Jonathan Deer: Preferential or restricted parking and you know and we've done a number of things over the years, to try to get it something that something to happen along those lines, so we very much support our at least.

807
01:35:15.060 --> 01:35:32.430
Jonathan Deer: In the past, we very much have supported that concept but doing a general motion like that right now it's it's unlikely to get through the neighborhood Council so yeah and, as you know how we work is we pass emotion and we asked the Council then do take some action based on it.

808
01:35:33.540 --> 01:35:43.620
Jonathan Deer: But it's you know it's just too general and you know we need something specific to propose that allow something to happen out in the world.

809
01:35:44.880 --> 01:35:58.980
Jonathan Deer: And we're all ears on some additional approach, I think the Community broadly support some kinds of restrictions like you're talking about throughout the Community.

810
01:36:00.210 --> 01:36:10.740
Jonathan Deer: But we need, we have to have something in my view, we have to have something more concrete that's not not just a general statement of all we've all been fighting for for years.

811
01:36:12.660 --> 01:36:22.590
Jonathan Deer: You know, we need we need something concrete that we can ask the Committee to ask somebody to do so, so I I definitely support the idea.

812
01:36:24.030 --> 01:36:27.630
Jonathan Deer: And we're looking for fresh angles, if we can figure out a fresh angle.

813
01:36:28.590 --> 01:36:35.550
Jonathan Deer: Also, another thing that needs to happen, which our committee can do, but in my view, we've requested information for years that we're not getting and.

814
01:36:36.060 --> 01:36:45.180
Jonathan Deer: it's going to take a foil lawsuit to get it really that's that's the thing that's going to get them to give us the information we need to try to pursue some of these avenues we pursued in the past but.

815
01:36:46.860 --> 01:36:49.080
Jonathan Deer: I don't know who's going to bring that it's not going to be us.

816
01:36:49.440 --> 01:36:50.070
james murez: So john.

817
01:36:50.460 --> 01:36:51.540
james murez: What me yeah.

818
01:36:51.870 --> 01:36:55.320
robertthibodeau: i'd like to say something so you guys have had a chance to speak.

819
01:36:57.420 --> 01:36:59.910
robertthibodeau: The I think that.

820
01:37:01.650 --> 01:37:06.690
robertthibodeau: This motion is different than the ones that i've heard before I can't say that I remember every.

821
01:37:08.610 --> 01:37:10.050
robertthibodeau: Preferential parking.

822
01:37:12.300 --> 01:37:20.220
robertthibodeau: Motion sensor before, but I have been on the committee for the dnc three years now, so I think i've heard a bit of them and.

823
01:37:21.030 --> 01:37:31.620
robertthibodeau: before it was parking permits for permitted parking, but it was in general, and I think barry's motion differs from that because he's proposing to to six at night.

824
01:37:32.340 --> 01:37:46.170
robertthibodeau: two to six at night, the beach is closed, you know that State law, the beach is supposed to be closed from two to six you're not using the beach from two to six, so I would I would question whether coastal even has the authority to.

825
01:37:47.190 --> 01:37:47.640
robertthibodeau: To.

826
01:37:49.500 --> 01:37:58.920
robertthibodeau: to weigh in on that, I mean I know they would say they do, but uh their hours are our daytime hours when the beaches, open and.

827
01:38:01.050 --> 01:38:10.890
robertthibodeau: I think this is a different motion and I think just because we've lost before doesn't mean we shouldn't try again, you know i'm very strongly in favor of this.

828
01:38:11.550 --> 01:38:24.180
robertthibodeau: I think it's long overdue and I think people ask a lot from us and we don't get a lot return, and I think this is a small last two to six is a very viable.

829
01:38:26.940 --> 01:38:27.450
robertthibodeau: Ask.

830
01:38:28.500 --> 01:38:31.530
robertthibodeau: And Jim you had I guess.

831
01:38:31.620 --> 01:38:35.820
james murez: yeah, I just wanted to suggest, something I hear you Robert I.

832
01:38:37.020 --> 01:38:40.350
james murez: I want to I mean i'm more than happy to argue with you about it.

833
01:38:41.490 --> 01:38:51.840
james murez: I it's not what I wanted to talk about I don't think you're going to get the preferential angle through unless you can come up with a game plan now let's talk about what a game plan would look like.

834
01:38:52.800 --> 01:39:01.020
james murez: I think that the concept of preferential parking is something that can certainly be addressed and we talked about it several times in the previous committee.

835
01:39:01.620 --> 01:39:14.850
james murez: There are a number of parking space, but let's back up for a second the coastal Commission came into power in 1976 so they have no jurisdiction over anything Prior to that, but they have jurisdiction over everything after that.

836
01:39:15.930 --> 01:39:30.000
james murez: One of the things that the parking inventory needs to identify is how many parking spaces for the public have been generated since 1976 and those parking spaces would act.

837
01:39:30.690 --> 01:39:40.050
james murez: In in in the legal sense as replacement parking for off street parking now the inventory has never been made.

838
01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:59.040
james murez: And I can tell you that I, I can identify right now 1000 parking spaces that have been created by bi Z parking beach impacts on parking that have have have gone completely uncounted and that was part of the land use plan that was put into place back in the early.

839
01:40:00.810 --> 01:40:10.170
james murez: 2000 and and actually before that the Venice I co created it because the Venice Renaissance project was the first building that actually was.

840
01:40:11.010 --> 01:40:19.200
james murez: required to put in Community parking there's 125 parking spaces on the lower levels of the Renaissance, though that's the clown building.

841
01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:26.100
james murez: Now if if the parking and transportation committee can get Ahold of laura's transportation.

842
01:40:26.490 --> 01:40:39.660
james murez: of her parking plan, then you could start to formulate how many parking spaces are actually available there's tabor court there's all the new lots along along electric all of those lots.

843
01:40:40.320 --> 01:40:49.920
james murez: Of all counters parking spaces that have been created for the public, since coastal Commission came into power, those are theoretically all new parking spaces.

844
01:40:50.340 --> 01:41:00.390
james murez: And because they're new parking spaces, that means that they could very clearly be considered as in the coastal Commission and I have had that conversation.

845
01:41:00.750 --> 01:41:03.540
james murez: And i'm talking about with the Chiefs down there, not with the Indians.

846
01:41:04.530 --> 01:41:09.030
james murez: They agree that if there's new parking spaces that were created those could be counted.

847
01:41:09.360 --> 01:41:22.710
james murez: For off street parking in the case that we wanted to use own parking so if we come up with 1000 parking spaces, we can theoretically have 3000 zone markings of eight hours apiece and and that's a lot of parking to.

848
01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:24.030
james murez: get started.

849
01:41:24.330 --> 01:41:27.600
james murez: into account with the mta site might be able to someday support.

850
01:41:27.960 --> 01:41:36.930
robertthibodeau: Okay that's right now we have a consistent constituent with potential motion shall we make this motion.

851
01:41:39.690 --> 01:41:43.170
robertthibodeau: Does any any anybody want to take a barry's motion.

852
01:41:46.530 --> 01:41:47.430
robertthibodeau: i'll make the motion.

853
01:41:47.490 --> 01:41:50.910
james murez: So we have emotional to Robert you're the chair of the committee, you have to.

854
01:41:50.910 --> 01:41:51.840
robertthibodeau: pass the exam.

855
01:41:54.390 --> 01:41:57.090
james murez: You would have had to have done it before you brought the committee to before.

856
01:41:58.170 --> 01:41:58.530
gotcha.

857
01:42:00.840 --> 01:42:01.560
robertthibodeau: Now you might.

858
01:42:02.340 --> 01:42:04.200
alyson wilson: say it was hard to unmute.

859
01:42:04.260 --> 01:42:05.100
has been lazy.

860
01:42:08.850 --> 01:42:13.350
robertthibodeau: So you want to reread your what's what was the emotion.

861
01:42:13.350 --> 01:42:13.800
robertthibodeau: emotion.

862
01:42:13.950 --> 01:42:17.820
alyson wilson: something about I think he was done delivered orally so.

863
01:42:18.420 --> 01:42:19.350
Elizabeth Clay: yeah we really kind of neat.

864
01:42:20.700 --> 01:42:24.420
Jonathan Deer: I made I made notes, while he was giving it I can I can repeat it.

865
01:42:27.030 --> 01:42:35.190
Jonathan Deer: So and that's one of the things to talk about is who are we asking to do what that's typically environment but i'll just read the motion as he read it.

866
01:42:36.930 --> 01:42:39.690
Jonathan Deer: it's emotion, to request parking.

867
01:42:40.710 --> 01:42:52.650
Jonathan Deer: be limited to residents and guests from 2am to 6am and along with that provide safe options for homeless living in vehicles, so they have somewhere to park during that time.

868
01:42:53.550 --> 01:43:01.260
alyson wilson: And there were some there were some Thank you john that's an awesome recap, and there were some specifics around where those safe parking.

869
01:43:02.550 --> 01:43:08.520
alyson wilson: Lots would be not in residential school sensitive areas cetera.

870
01:43:10.110 --> 01:43:11.490
Jonathan Deer: Right not and.

871
01:43:13.140 --> 01:43:13.770
Jonathan Deer: residents.

872
01:43:13.830 --> 01:43:13.980
Jonathan Deer: Like.

873
01:43:14.130 --> 01:43:26.400
Elizabeth Clay: The premise of the motion, but can we tighten the verbiage It just seems kind of loosen like it could be shredded pretty quick, especially when you get into and replacing or sending people somewhere else, where.

874
01:43:27.210 --> 01:43:30.150
james murez: we're identifying who the WHO, the residents are.

875
01:43:30.660 --> 01:43:35.040
Elizabeth Clay: yeah and I guess receive what a parking pass.

876
01:43:35.430 --> 01:43:48.750
james murez: Well it's called preferential parking it's a big game plan it was proposed before to the coastal Commission and it was very well documented during bill rosenthal's time and they basically shut him down and said look you got to do a parking inventory.

877
01:43:50.820 --> 01:43:55.290
james murez: So I don't know what you what wheels you're trying to spin but you know you can go right ahead and do it.

878
01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:59.910
james murez: you're missing a ton of details in that motion.

879
01:44:00.360 --> 01:44:07.050
Elizabeth Clay: that's what I was saying, I think it needs to be a tighter motion, but sometimes I can be a little OCD on wording so.

880
01:44:07.260 --> 01:44:20.250
james murez: I mean, I would be concerned that if you said something through that was really Lucy Lucy and it didn't have all of the backup of how this thing is actually going to fit together, where the off street location is going to be, because it would have to be within the coastal zone.

881
01:44:21.570 --> 01:44:25.560
james murez: You know it's like you got to figure these details out before it's ever going to.

882
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:31.080
james murez: be anything that the city is going to be able to push forward to coastal Commission.

883
01:44:31.470 --> 01:44:41.430
alyson wilson: And we may think there's a sweet spot Jim and I agree, I agree with you, overall, but think there's a sweet spot between not enough details and too many details that we're.

884
01:44:41.490 --> 01:44:42.330
robertthibodeau: agree on that.

885
01:44:42.390 --> 01:44:45.060
alyson wilson: All right, to provide.

886
01:44:45.480 --> 01:44:48.150
james murez: Will rain, or we who are we even.

887
01:44:48.210 --> 01:44:50.820
Jonathan Deer: With this motion, who who are we were just.

888
01:44:51.150 --> 01:44:54.810
Jonathan Deer: that's right into the air, who are we asking to take some action something.

889
01:44:54.930 --> 01:44:57.360
james murez: They do T or the coastal Commission.

890
01:44:57.840 --> 01:44:59.130
robertthibodeau: Council office law.

891
01:44:59.610 --> 01:45:04.650
alyson wilson: Council I was thinking we could forward it to the cat they can the dnc.

892
01:45:05.520 --> 01:45:07.050
james murez: You haven't who was.

893
01:45:07.380 --> 01:45:24.210
Jonathan Deer: that what we have to ask the dnc to cast this out into the world in some way, and so, what are we asking them to do, or just I mean we can express our support for this concept but that doesn't go anywhere that's just us saying you know we we like this concept, you know not.

894
01:45:24.360 --> 01:45:26.070
alyson wilson: Well, I think we all agree this isn't going to go.

895
01:45:26.070 --> 01:45:26.760
robertthibodeau: anywhere.

896
01:45:26.880 --> 01:45:42.330
robertthibodeau: So show well, I think I think it's worth the effort, I mean shall we send it back to the motion maker to tighten up who, what, where and when and having come back next Monday and it sounds like there's there's a lot of questions people have.

897
01:45:43.080 --> 01:45:43.380
alyson wilson: I mean.

898
01:45:43.530 --> 01:45:44.430
alyson wilson: Is it worth it to.

899
01:45:44.730 --> 01:45:51.720
alyson wilson: figure out any methodologies around tracking it is it the entirety of Venice, I have a lot of questions, too, but i'm.

900
01:45:52.440 --> 01:45:52.860
alyson wilson: Very.

901
01:45:53.490 --> 01:46:07.230
Elizabeth Clay: Good at research just wasn't you'd like figure out who needs to hear the hook of this this motion to move it forward like just make some calls and find out where they would die a slow death that boston's office or.

902
01:46:08.070 --> 01:46:12.540
Elizabeth Clay: Maybe there's some he's their office has been very different to deal with the last few months.

903
01:46:12.630 --> 01:46:13.080
robertthibodeau: ago a.

904
01:46:13.230 --> 01:46:13.860
Elizabeth Clay: receptive.

905
01:46:13.890 --> 01:46:15.750
Elizabeth Clay: than usual agree so.

906
01:46:16.350 --> 01:46:25.050
Elizabeth Clay: You know, maybe, maybe that is the the avenue, but maybe warm that avenue up a little bit before a cold motion lens in their lap.

907
01:46:26.460 --> 01:46:27.870
Elizabeth Clay: Just my my thought.

908
01:46:28.260 --> 01:46:32.790
robertthibodeau: So i'm going to unmute Barry for a second and see if he's amenable to coming back.

909
01:46:33.810 --> 01:46:37.380
robertthibodeau: Next month, with a slightly more.

910
01:46:38.790 --> 01:46:44.700
robertthibodeau: I mean, again I don't think he has to have every nut and bolt I mean, I agree with allison I don't think he has to have every nuts and bolts of.

911
01:46:45.360 --> 01:46:59.400
robertthibodeau: The entire thing I mean it's it's kind of a theoretical request, but at least who to send it to etc, etc, etc, maybe he's amenable to coming back next Monday and and fine tuning this thing and then we maybe we can take a vote on it.

912
01:46:59.820 --> 01:47:01.590
james murez: Already I just want to throw something.

913
01:47:01.950 --> 01:47:15.480
james murez: i'm afraid that if we sent it to Barnes office and they took it upon themselves to oh great, this is a good plan look the Venice neighborhood Council supporting it we're going to put them in the parking lot at Pacific and Venice boulevard.

914
01:47:15.810 --> 01:47:16.290
robertthibodeau: I agree.

915
01:47:16.800 --> 01:47:18.330
robertthibodeau: I think I think there's dangers.

916
01:47:18.390 --> 01:47:20.160
robertthibodeau: I think it needs to be thought through a little bit.

917
01:47:20.340 --> 01:47:22.170
james murez: On a danger yep.

918
01:47:23.220 --> 01:47:23.940
robertthibodeau: So i'm.

919
01:47:24.660 --> 01:47:27.480
james murez: Very done things like they've done things like that, before.

920
01:47:27.960 --> 01:47:28.590
robertthibodeau: yeah okay.

921
01:47:29.730 --> 01:47:31.680
robertthibodeau: But let's look very let's sit there.

922
01:47:33.270 --> 01:47:33.990
robertthibodeau: unused.

923
01:47:34.110 --> 01:47:39.180
james murez: I would really like to hear Robert if you, you seem to have a great working relationship with Laura.

924
01:47:39.570 --> 01:47:50.520
james murez: And she's got this parking and transfer she's got this parking thing that study that she's done that's got all the details in it that you need to know, right now, in my opinion, and out of her.

925
01:47:51.570 --> 01:48:08.520
robertthibodeau: I know how you would do it it's not necessarily exactly how I think everybody else would do it, but I understand where you're coming from but i'd like to hear from very for a second if Barry do you think you could you could at least get on here who were sending this to and.

926
01:48:10.320 --> 01:48:13.920
robertthibodeau: And maybe think about this this sake parking thing a little bit.

927
01:48:13.980 --> 01:48:14.700
barrycassilly: Because that.

928
01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:18.240
robertthibodeau: All present so that's it's a big cattle right there buddy.

929
01:48:18.720 --> 01:48:22.620
barrycassilly: Right Well, first of all i'm completely completely willing to come back next week.

930
01:48:22.920 --> 01:48:30.390
barrycassilly: yeah and but in general yeah I was intending for this to go to the Council Council office and the coastal Commission both.

931
01:48:31.290 --> 01:48:44.070
barrycassilly: um and I was intentionally fashioning it i'm trying to fashion it so that parking inventories were not relevant to the motion on it would not affect visitors to the beach.

932
01:48:45.330 --> 01:48:55.470
barrycassilly: would not affect residents would not affect residents visitors, in reality, all that would affect his people were spending the night overnight in their cars.

933
01:48:56.100 --> 01:49:05.850
barrycassilly: And even for those people, I think that, on the coastal conditions made clear incumbent upon us as a responsibility to provide an alternative option.

934
01:49:06.690 --> 01:49:15.060
barrycassilly: And I understand the sensitivity about on placing safe parking safe camping locations anywhere near our.

935
01:49:15.630 --> 01:49:33.180
barrycassilly: house or school or all the other stuff we're very familiar with, and I understand the lack of trust in the Council office in the city in this respect so yeah i'm, I would like to arm come back next week, and more specifically address these issues.

936
01:49:33.810 --> 01:49:38.970
Jonathan Deer: Okay, and just for clarification we keep saying next week you mean next month right.

937
01:49:38.970 --> 01:49:39.930
barrycassilly: Yes, next.

938
01:49:40.530 --> 01:49:41.220
Jonathan Deer: month from now.

939
01:49:41.520 --> 01:49:43.560
Jonathan Deer: And then yeah okay.

940
01:49:44.010 --> 01:49:45.030
barrycassilly: But also something else.

941
01:49:45.330 --> 01:49:52.020
Jonathan Deer: In the meantime, maybe, maybe, could you resubmit whatever you submitted that we didn't get so we can take a look at that.

942
01:49:52.200 --> 01:49:52.950
robertthibodeau: or yeah.

943
01:49:53.010 --> 01:49:55.170
Jonathan Deer: You don't want to be submitted to send it to Robert and.

944
01:49:55.170 --> 01:49:56.220
robertthibodeau: Then yeah I.

945
01:49:56.640 --> 01:50:07.740
robertthibodeau: Did yeah I apologize I got that long version that you sent me and then I said, can you shorten this up into emotion and then send it through the portal, and so I was always expecting to get a shortened version of it.

946
01:50:08.130 --> 01:50:10.650
barrycassilly: I sent I sent the whole thing through the portal i'm sorry.

947
01:50:11.610 --> 01:50:17.280
robertthibodeau: And i'm not not not saying you didn't know I just know that it didn't make it through the portal to me and.

948
01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:19.320
robertthibodeau: That would make.

949
01:50:19.410 --> 01:50:19.770
robertthibodeau: Make.

950
01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:20.880
robertthibodeau: My life, a little easier.

951
01:50:21.390 --> 01:50:21.780
barrycassilly: that's fine.

952
01:50:22.290 --> 01:50:24.030
robertthibodeau: I will fix that okay.

953
01:50:24.060 --> 01:50:42.330
barrycassilly: Just just so people know the intention of me, putting forth this motion wasn't just about the specifics of the motion it's the fact that I think that we as Community at this point in time, need to keep reasserting like sort of what is normalcy.

954
01:50:42.750 --> 01:50:43.080
barrycassilly: In this.

955
01:50:43.140 --> 01:50:51.690
barrycassilly: conversation um and I think that that's what i'm trying to address here it's not normal for it to be.

956
01:50:52.260 --> 01:51:06.900
barrycassilly: For somebody to be able to pull up in front of your House i'm from Montana, in whatever vehicle and suddenly live there forever that's just not normal so that's it's in that context that that i'm bringing forth dysfunctions.

957
01:51:07.830 --> 01:51:08.520
Jonathan Deer: I think we're all.

958
01:51:08.640 --> 01:51:10.710
robertthibodeau: I think we all appreciate the spirit of emotion.

959
01:51:11.790 --> 01:51:21.660
robertthibodeau: The only thing that worries me is to talk about the safe parking and whether that could be twisted and used as a support for.

960
01:51:22.740 --> 01:51:24.510
robertthibodeau: You know more.

961
01:51:25.800 --> 01:51:30.930
robertthibodeau: More sort of degradation of the of the neighborhood, so to speak.

962
01:51:31.290 --> 01:51:33.630
robertthibodeau: it's certainly not I don't know how to put it any other way.

963
01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:34.560
barrycassilly: It certainly could.

964
01:51:34.590 --> 01:51:34.770
barrycassilly: Be.

965
01:51:34.860 --> 01:51:37.890
barrycassilly: Anybody like Mike bond has remained in control the Council office.

966
01:51:38.940 --> 01:51:47.790
Jonathan Deer: Yet the other thing that we might be able to do as opposed to a specific motion asking somebody to do something as to express a position.

967
01:51:48.960 --> 01:51:52.500
Jonathan Deer: You know and it's something to think about for next month, you know position that.

968
01:51:53.880 --> 01:51:58.860
Jonathan Deer: The Community needs to have these streets restricted at night to to.

969
01:51:59.550 --> 01:52:08.040
Jonathan Deer: end this problem and address the problem directly and we We understand that there needs to be safe parking and it needs to be done in a way that's acceptable to the Community.

970
01:52:08.640 --> 01:52:18.270
Jonathan Deer: And, and we need to city to start talking about real solutions that are going to keep unsafe parking from being in our Community and at the same time, get cars off our curbs.

971
01:52:18.720 --> 01:52:23.040
Jonathan Deer: You know, and so you know, a general position statement like that in emotion.

972
01:52:24.390 --> 01:52:28.830
Jonathan Deer: might be more powerful than asking somebody to take some action where it's where.

973
01:52:29.970 --> 01:52:37.920
Jonathan Deer: You know it's going to take a much more detailed plan and a lot of legwork to figure out what we might you know start putting pressure on them to do.

974
01:52:38.310 --> 01:52:41.910
barrycassilly: I hear you Jonathan i'll talk to some people, and come back next month, I appreciate the thought.

975
01:52:42.180 --> 01:52:43.680
robertthibodeau: yeah Thank you Barry in.

976
01:52:44.100 --> 01:52:55.680
james murez: You very when you submit that can you make sure that you send it to the portal and send me an email, if you do so, I can make sure that it gets in the door, by the way, has a 15 megabyte limit for one file.

977
01:52:56.760 --> 01:53:02.400
james murez: Whatever you sent Roberts who said that it was very long, it was large larger than 15 Meg it won't accept it.

978
01:53:02.760 --> 01:53:04.590
robertthibodeau: And it was a word Doc so i'd.

979
01:53:04.740 --> 01:53:05.880
robertthibodeau: be surprised, but at the.

980
01:53:05.880 --> 01:53:06.420
barrycassilly: same time.

981
01:53:06.720 --> 01:53:07.050
yeah.

982
01:53:08.190 --> 01:53:22.380
robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you very I believe we did not get a second on the motion so let's just table this and we will take it up again next time, and hopefully make some sort of motion I think that's Okay, because we didn't didn't actually have a second.

983
01:53:25.770 --> 01:53:28.470
robertthibodeau: Okay, so we have one more item, and then we can.

984
01:53:30.120 --> 01:53:31.230
robertthibodeau: wrap it up.

985
01:53:33.360 --> 01:53:39.150
robertthibodeau: So, though the number nine is the link and fast forward update.

986
01:53:40.260 --> 01:53:42.450
robertthibodeau: I sat I sent you guys all the.

987
01:53:43.800 --> 01:53:44.790
robertthibodeau: link to the.

988
01:53:45.900 --> 01:53:52.620
robertthibodeau: latest update on the link and fast forward I sat in on it, there were other members of the Community.

989
01:53:53.820 --> 01:53:55.230
robertthibodeau: I think Erica might have been on there.

990
01:53:56.580 --> 01:53:57.240
robertthibodeau: But maybe not.

991
01:53:59.370 --> 01:54:00.900
robertthibodeau: And i'm pretty sure that.

992
01:54:03.330 --> 01:54:12.120
robertthibodeau: What we see other person was on there, the Gal who was on earlier in the discussion and.

993
01:54:13.830 --> 01:54:22.470
robertthibodeau: First of all, Lincoln fast forward is is moving forward fast first that's first of all, and my general impression is it is.

994
01:54:23.670 --> 01:54:28.560
robertthibodeau: It is going to happen, it is going to happen relatively soon they started talking about.

995
01:54:29.910 --> 01:54:44.220
robertthibodeau: Because it covers not just Venice, but it covers other sections of highway one, it will be phased in different areas, but they look at starting as early as October of this year, so it's coming up quickly.

996
01:54:45.780 --> 01:54:46.350
robertthibodeau: They did.

997
01:54:47.580 --> 01:55:06.540
robertthibodeau: As you can see, on here and Item number II, they did drop a bit of a bomb was that they sort of decided without much notification or I guess the last meeting was the notification that they were going to add in northerly bus lane originally there was only proposed to suddenly bustling.

998
01:55:07.650 --> 01:55:19.440
robertthibodeau: And the northerly bus southerly bustling was always going to be four to seven on the West side of the street, the northerly bustling would be seven to nine in the morning traveling north.

999
01:55:20.580 --> 01:55:26.610
robertthibodeau: I think some of us were a bit surprised at this as a regular Lincoln user and dweller.

1000
01:55:29.250 --> 01:55:30.900
robertthibodeau: I don't see traffic moving north.

1001
01:55:31.080 --> 01:55:38.340
robertthibodeau: As particularly poor so adding a bus lane has the negative effect of.

1002
01:55:40.170 --> 01:55:44.430
robertthibodeau: affecting business parking in the morning but.

1003
01:55:46.590 --> 01:56:08.700
robertthibodeau: i'm not sure I think it's going to happen, regardless, so the main thing that the meeting focused on was well there were a couple things from the general public, and I think this voice, I want to say, Sarah wall waters walters and margo and some others.

1004
01:56:10.980 --> 01:56:16.710
robertthibodeau: When talking to the engineers at a cow that caltrans slash do T engineers.

1005
01:56:18.570 --> 01:56:30.990
robertthibodeau: asked a lot of questions about, as this was happening and repaving was happening, where they're going to take the opportunity to actually do sort of aesthetic improvements, along with you know jamming us with the bus lane.

1006
01:56:32.250 --> 01:56:35.280
robertthibodeau: and taking away the parking and.

1007
01:56:36.300 --> 01:56:52.530
robertthibodeau: It was almost like there was this disconnect or they didn't even understand what we were talking about and it was it was sort of incredible like you know when we were talking about like tree wells or landscaping or one gentleman brought up.

1008
01:56:55.140 --> 01:56:57.690
robertthibodeau: The aesthetics, of the pavement in terms of.

1009
01:57:00.690 --> 01:57:13.110
robertthibodeau: Solar something or other, and they literally didn't even really understand what we're talking about I mean the Council Office did, and I think Alex a good good go to on this.

1010
01:57:14.610 --> 01:57:25.950
robertthibodeau: But caltrans folks they just had no it wasn't part of the plan safety is part of the plan so they are adding a lot of improved cross crossings.

1011
01:57:27.600 --> 01:57:29.010
robertthibodeau: So that was very positive.

1012
01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:36.060
robertthibodeau: But the aesthetic part I think is a committee, I would like to address the aesthetic part and.

1013
01:57:37.350 --> 01:57:39.870
robertthibodeau: Work with the tree people on.

1014
01:57:41.610 --> 01:57:43.770
robertthibodeau: and others and.

1015
01:57:46.380 --> 01:58:02.550
robertthibodeau: margo and myself actually started doing some mapping exercises the bike lane is excuse me, the bus lane is going to happen from Commonwealth down to Venice boulevard, it is not happening from Venice to Washington, which is a little surprising that you.

1016
01:58:03.240 --> 01:58:08.820
robertthibodeau: Create it, you know half halfway and not the full way they had some technical reasons that they.

1017
01:58:09.120 --> 01:58:09.600
robertthibodeau: said that.

1018
01:58:09.720 --> 01:58:20.160
robertthibodeau: it's harder to do down there because it's the pinch at Venice, but I thought they were weak reasons, personally, but you know i'm not a traffic engineer and.

1019
01:58:21.660 --> 01:58:29.190
robertthibodeau: i'm going to try and pull up something that I could maybe use some help with if you guys think that this is worthy.

1020
01:58:31.710 --> 01:58:36.930
robertthibodeau: let's see if we got this here hold on one give me one second.

1021
01:58:51.720 --> 01:58:52.740
robertthibodeau: Okay.

1022
01:58:58.200 --> 01:59:00.240
robertthibodeau: You are sharing screen, can you see my screen.

1023
01:59:00.930 --> 01:59:02.370
james murez: yeah but it's got the agenda.

1024
01:59:03.150 --> 01:59:03.720
Okay.

1025
01:59:05.490 --> 01:59:07.590
robertthibodeau: screen sharing new share.

1026
01:59:10.710 --> 01:59:11.310
robertthibodeau: ban.

1027
01:59:14.070 --> 01:59:16.860
robertthibodeau: Here, can you see my screen now.

1028
01:59:16.920 --> 01:59:19.320
james murez: yeah now you've got a point that now you got your mouth.

1029
01:59:20.250 --> 01:59:24.150
robertthibodeau: Okay, so we walk this street and.

1030
01:59:25.710 --> 01:59:34.110
robertthibodeau: This is only a three block section this one happens to be between Vernon and lake and.

1031
01:59:35.190 --> 01:59:43.410
robertthibodeau: We walk this one, and then we walk the one down by sperber and kind of made general notes of.

1032
01:59:45.330 --> 01:59:46.470
robertthibodeau: Where there were.

1033
01:59:47.790 --> 01:59:59.340
robertthibodeau: Either like existing well needs tree, you know where people chop down the trees and the existing wells, and then suggested locations.

1034
02:00:00.060 --> 02:00:07.800
robertthibodeau: Where the Center divider is unnecessary, you know, because the left hand turn you have enough room to make the Left tangerines.

1035
02:00:08.340 --> 02:00:12.720
robertthibodeau: excuse the crudeness of the diagram please, but you know, there are the sections in the middle to.

1036
02:00:13.350 --> 02:00:20.010
robertthibodeau: That could potentially my thought would be to ask them to landscape those two where you're not making the left, where you got just kind of a blank zone.

1037
02:00:20.520 --> 02:00:36.060
robertthibodeau: Put a tree or put some plants like Santa Monica does inside those things and pretty this sucker up a bit at least ask for you know because, again, similar to the overnight barking all they can do is say no, or maybe we'll get some of it, not all of it The other thing that.

1038
02:00:37.140 --> 02:00:50.130
robertthibodeau: And Actually, this is a good map to look at, so this one happens to be my block, not that I did my block first, but my time is limited, these days, and.

1039
02:00:50.700 --> 02:01:03.180
robertthibodeau: it's a shorter walk so I have, I have flower boy next door to me right, that little coffee shop on linkedin and then we've got CAFE 15th which is supposedly turning into detox or some other.

1040
02:01:03.930 --> 02:01:17.880
robertthibodeau: CAFE if it ever does on the corner, so we have to coffee shops, so the seven to nine closure on the northbound will hurt these guys So when I brought this up with the meeting one thing Alex said was that they would consider.

1041
02:01:18.930 --> 02:01:24.930
robertthibodeau: Doing metered parking Jason to the commercial properties on the side streets so that would only be this first.

1042
02:01:25.470 --> 02:01:31.500
robertthibodeau: Little stretch it's basically two parking spaces here to parking spaces here, in fact, you can see those little cars there.

1043
02:01:32.340 --> 02:01:40.140
robertthibodeau: I haven't added to this map yet, but I was thinking that we that seemed like a good ideas and make up for the businesses, North and South.

1044
02:01:40.800 --> 02:01:47.220
robertthibodeau: That you would you would pinch that first space on the West side of the street i'm not so sure that that works as well.

1045
02:01:47.910 --> 02:01:56.070
robertthibodeau: But on our side of the street on the east it works very well because because you have that first space or two is adjacent to the commercial property and at least.

1046
02:01:56.820 --> 02:02:05.250
robertthibodeau: You know the way it is currently is that those spots just get jammed you know it's my employees basically park there for eight or nine hours and not move their car.

1047
02:02:05.820 --> 02:02:21.630
robertthibodeau: And they would be forced to park either further into the neighborhood on the street, but it would allow for more turnover there I did have a gentleman also who is like a thesis student, I think a Grad student in transportation planning.

1048
02:02:22.650 --> 02:02:35.880
robertthibodeau: who may or may not be at this meeting, who was suggesting metering the parking along here, that was not discussed in the meeting at all, he seemed somewhat passionate about it, I asked him if he could speak to it.

1049
02:02:37.410 --> 02:02:42.300
robertthibodeau: And i'm not sure if he's here, no one wants to speak, he was a little reticent to speak.

1050
02:02:43.620 --> 02:02:54.450
robertthibodeau: So my thought would be that we get a plan together, even if it's a schematic plan and we stick it in Alex and, at the Council office and then have him go talk to.

1051
02:02:55.650 --> 02:03:09.360
robertthibodeau: caltrans see I think he would do it for us again and not trying to stop anybody with anything but this seems like a good opportunity to try and pretty it up a little bit I see selena smiling.

1052
02:03:11.640 --> 02:03:15.540
robertthibodeau: anyways so that's my presentation on the link and fast forward.

1053
02:03:17.040 --> 02:03:29.880
robertthibodeau: the specifics of this i'm not a landscape designer is only purely conceptual thing you know it's purely cuz it's based on some fact you know treats that have been cut down that should be replaced or or you know.

1054
02:03:31.770 --> 02:03:38.580
robertthibodeau: Things like that, but it's not you know this isn't a i'm not trying to present a landscape plan i'm just trying to present a concept.

1055
02:03:41.190 --> 02:03:46.560
robertthibodeau: So I can field questions on this, I would love help to if people want to help.

1056
02:03:48.090 --> 02:03:54.330
robertthibodeau: anybody wants to walk a couple blocks and take some notes, I would love it a general public or committee.

1057
02:03:56.490 --> 02:03:58.590
robertthibodeau: Right now there's three of us doing it.

1058
02:03:59.730 --> 02:04:06.840
robertthibodeau: And it's not that hard to do it, each one of these three blocks sections takes about 2530 minutes.

1059
02:04:09.360 --> 02:04:12.510
Jonathan Deer: i'm just you know with me later i'll do i'll walk a few blocks.

1060
02:04:13.140 --> 02:04:14.400
robertthibodeau: i'd love it that'd be fun.

1061
02:04:15.630 --> 02:04:17.640
Jonathan Deer: What are you asking from us tonight.

1062
02:04:18.030 --> 02:04:23.880
robertthibodeau: Nothing, this was an update on the fast board and kind of let you know where where things were and.

1063
02:04:25.440 --> 02:04:40.530
robertthibodeau: and probably ask for support on Stephen and send it off to Alec at some point in time, not really asking for anything super specific I do see shawn stand up, which might be from before but i'm and I see heaven sand and I see Eric is and.

1064
02:04:41.100 --> 02:04:47.520
robertthibodeau: So let's let people talk for a second Sean you were first in my book, so masculine you to unmute.

1065
02:04:48.690 --> 02:04:50.370
Sean obrien: yeah thanks I just.

1066
02:04:51.390 --> 02:05:05.310
Sean obrien: I had requested in previous meetings with the city, if they were going to fix the are get rid of the telephone Poles that stopped at the border of Santa Monica is that part of this project, I don't think it is.

1067
02:05:06.930 --> 02:05:09.240
robertthibodeau: If you want me to respond now.

1068
02:05:09.570 --> 02:05:13.680
robertthibodeau: Is yeah that was definitely brought up at the meeting it was brought up by the meeting by.

1069
02:05:16.440 --> 02:05:22.500
robertthibodeau: A woman east of East of Venice i'm with a heavy accent I can't remember her.

1070
02:05:22.500 --> 02:05:34.800
robertthibodeau: Name she was told that there is no budget for that in this, I think a lot of us think that's a good idea, and perhaps it should be run up the flagpole I wouldn't get super optimistic on that one.

1071
02:05:37.290 --> 02:05:46.920
robertthibodeau: But happy to run it up the flagpole because I think it should be done to, but I just don't think they're going to find the funds to do that, but that's just my gut feeling, but I think it's a great idea Sean.

1072
02:05:48.540 --> 02:05:49.230
robertthibodeau: Erica.

1073
02:05:50.280 --> 02:05:51.600
robertthibodeau: asking you to unmute.

1074
02:05:52.770 --> 02:06:00.810
Erica Moore: hi there Robert um I would love to participate with you and I just wanted to kind of throw out there that are you talking at all with.

1075
02:06:01.950 --> 02:06:16.890
Erica Moore: The proof, because this is a This is something that's been presented at Edna several times, and a lot of Community input was was happening when that happened, I unfortunately was not able to be in that meeting, and I was so disappointed because.

1076
02:06:18.060 --> 02:06:23.730
Erica Moore: I had waited quite a bit about this, there was supposed to be a lot of canvassing which really didn't happen.

1077
02:06:24.090 --> 02:06:29.280
Erica Moore: About you know how this would affect our Community, because one of the issues about taking away that parking on.

1078
02:06:29.730 --> 02:06:37.320
Erica Moore: Lincoln is it impacting the businesses if you put meter parking on the side streets, those are mostly residential streets.

1079
02:06:37.680 --> 02:06:53.340
Erica Moore: And there's already issues like we're suburbia is with that, with people who can't even park in front of their own homes due to the commercial overflow from Lincoln so it's very concerning about them wanting to do this and extending it now to both sides.

1080
02:06:54.660 --> 02:06:59.340
Erica Moore: But I am curious we've talked it's powerful probably that you're referring to, with the accent.

1081
02:06:59.610 --> 02:07:00.210
Erica Moore: It wasn't.

1082
02:07:00.270 --> 02:07:01.560
robertthibodeau: How Ola because I know her.

1083
02:07:01.710 --> 02:07:03.060
robertthibodeau: It was a different Powell.

1084
02:07:03.300 --> 02:07:10.260
robertthibodeau: It wasn't ever How was it different I think it was the same name but she had a French accent i'm going to say.

1085
02:07:10.350 --> 02:07:11.820
Erica Moore: or something like that was.

1086
02:07:11.910 --> 02:07:16.260
robertthibodeau: yeah maybe i'm mixing it up, but yeah it may be, it was her, but I.

1087
02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:17.430
Erica Moore: Have you find it.

1088
02:07:17.700 --> 02:07:29.010
Erica Moore: kind of reached out to them, though, because they might have some like together, it might be more powerful to have you know more voices together opposed to fragments you know coming together separately.

1089
02:07:29.310 --> 02:07:39.030
robertthibodeau: I don't think anybody's proposing to put meters down, where the resident where the houses are the only meters, I think that we're being proposed we're on the commercial block.

1090
02:07:40.740 --> 02:07:42.450
robertthibodeau: You know what i'm saying oh.

1091
02:07:43.860 --> 02:07:49.920
Erica Moore: You know what i've seen a couple of incarnations of this and I haven't looked at the most recent one, and so i'm looking at what you have here.

1092
02:07:50.220 --> 02:07:54.900
Erica Moore: This is me this isn't Lincoln fast forward this is me saying you got to put some green in your.

1093
02:07:54.960 --> 02:07:55.800
robertthibodeau: Your bus lanes.

1094
02:07:56.370 --> 02:07:57.450
Erica Moore: right which is great.

1095
02:07:57.630 --> 02:07:58.110
I mean.

1096
02:07:59.280 --> 02:08:02.670
Erica Moore: i'm so glad you, you have taken up that torch.

1097
02:08:02.820 --> 02:08:07.800
robertthibodeau: yeah it's not something I have a ton of time for but i'm doing the best I can Erica anyways.

1098
02:08:08.340 --> 02:08:14.130
Erica Moore: I know everybody's so strapped for so many things going on it's pretty crazy.

1099
02:08:14.310 --> 02:08:17.700
robertthibodeau: So we got going on here too i'm gonna let him and talk for a second or.

1100
02:08:17.700 --> 02:08:19.650
Erica Moore: No problem Thank you so much for taking your time.

1101
02:08:20.130 --> 02:08:22.140
robertthibodeau: yeah and i'll talk to you know I heard, I heard you.

1102
02:08:22.830 --> 02:08:24.540
Erica Moore: yeah please do I think it's a good idea.

1103
02:08:24.900 --> 02:08:26.730
robertthibodeau: Here, excuse me hey Evan.

1104
02:08:27.450 --> 02:08:28.110
hey.

1105
02:08:29.280 --> 02:08:30.630
Evan Corrigan: um yeah I love this.

1106
02:08:32.310 --> 02:08:36.120
Evan Corrigan: I actually walked that whole mile today as well.

1107
02:08:37.500 --> 02:08:46.830
Evan Corrigan: does, I think this Center medians in this pedestrian islands would be great to be grand and then they did in Santa Monica and they did it in downtown culver.

1108
02:08:47.940 --> 02:08:53.730
Evan Corrigan: kind of makes the the big concrete street feel a lot smaller.

1109
02:08:54.900 --> 02:09:05.070
Evan Corrigan: I feel like you know fosters a bit more walkability walking across the street, especially those trees on the sidewalks there's a lot of concrete everywhere right now.

1110
02:09:08.190 --> 02:09:17.760
Evan Corrigan: What else here I I don't know if they mentioned in the meeting I was there as well, but um i've seen some things about Lincoln brt.

1111
02:09:19.200 --> 02:09:21.450
Evan Corrigan: slated for 2043.

1112
02:09:23.280 --> 02:09:24.300
Evan Corrigan: Does this this.

1113
02:09:24.330 --> 02:09:27.540
robertthibodeau: News plan to us would be our key is i'm not familiar with that acronym.

1114
02:09:27.930 --> 02:09:33.270
Evan Corrigan: it's it's bus rapid transit so it's kind of like the bus version of a light rail.

1115
02:09:34.770 --> 02:09:36.750
robertthibodeau: Is that what the bus line is going to be four.

1116
02:09:39.420 --> 02:09:50.490
Evan Corrigan: So, like the bus land is just a regular bustling with a dedicated space, but the brt kind of functions as like almost a light rail or it has Pacific stops about a mile away from each other.

1117
02:09:51.360 --> 02:09:57.690
Evan Corrigan: I was just wondering if this this plan for the bustling fit into that because I didn't really hear anything about it.

1118
02:09:58.260 --> 02:10:02.730
robertthibodeau: yeah I didn't either, and I wasn't i'm not privy to the brt stuff so.

1119
02:10:03.180 --> 02:10:07.140
robertthibodeau: Okay, any information you have on that we'd appreciate, you know be nice to find out.

1120
02:10:07.560 --> 02:10:15.120
Evan Corrigan: yeah I can send you a link it's something that was outlined and like 2016 measure em projects.

1121
02:10:17.310 --> 02:10:19.320
Evan Corrigan: So I don't know i'll send you and.

1122
02:10:20.580 --> 02:10:24.270
Evan Corrigan: yeah but happy to help out with this um this diagram.

1123
02:10:24.870 --> 02:10:41.220
robertthibodeau: OK so i'll be in touch with you i've got your email, and maybe we can later on in the week or something trying to knock off a few more blocks and and I know I invited Alec to this meeting today and he regretted that he couldn't come he's been very forthcoming, so I think.

1124
02:10:42.360 --> 02:11:01.830
robertthibodeau: I think we've got a good connection there as well, and my thought would be to you know, ask for everything, and then, if we get something we've done a good job, you know what I mean like, even if we get half of what we're asking for i'll feel that it's a huge victory and.

1125
02:11:03.270 --> 02:11:03.750
robertthibodeau: and

1126
02:11:05.190 --> 02:11:11.220
robertthibodeau: I was trying to get a little bit of a head start on this, but I do intend to speak with.

1127
02:11:12.240 --> 02:11:28.560
robertthibodeau: The tree committee and that with them if whatever input, they want, and I think he's to link into like Erica said, and eventually we should get everybody on I just didn't want too many cooks in there at the early stages, because sometimes that slows things down and.

1128
02:11:29.910 --> 02:11:39.390
robertthibodeau: Again, you know just was trying to come up with some sort of like you know let's let's at least have something that we can talk to Council Office about I really do think that.

1129
02:11:40.200 --> 02:11:47.100
robertthibodeau: You know I don't know how power shift is going to be here, but at least at the moment I think Alec is a is a good.

1130
02:11:48.390 --> 02:11:49.920
robertthibodeau: will be a proponent for us.

1131
02:11:51.780 --> 02:11:55.290
robertthibodeau: that's all I got and it's nine o'clock so.

1132
02:11:55.500 --> 02:11:56.730
Selena Inouye: i'm actually Robert.

1133
02:11:56.820 --> 02:11:58.620
Selena Inouye: Gemini had our hands up.

1134
02:11:58.740 --> 02:12:01.020
robertthibodeau: I am so sorry, I have to attendees thing.

1135
02:12:02.100 --> 02:12:02.610
Selena Inouye: Okay.

1136
02:12:02.820 --> 02:12:12.420
Selena Inouye: I just wanted to quickly say that I think that we should ask them to do another presentation to this committee they've come to us in the past.

1137
02:12:12.720 --> 02:12:25.410
Selena Inouye: And they really should come again and that would give people another opportunity to both here the presentation and also to give them direct feedback so can we please push for that to happen.

1138
02:12:25.590 --> 02:12:29.460
robertthibodeau: or reach out and try and contact them see if I get them on in the next meeting yeah.

1139
02:12:29.880 --> 02:12:33.600
Selena Inouye: Because they've only give them a mine updated presentation Is that correct.

1140
02:12:34.170 --> 02:12:46.320
robertthibodeau: I remember, they did, and we voted on it and supported them in the incarnation, that it was you were you and I were both on that boat, I believe, and that was probably two years ago now.

1141
02:12:46.830 --> 02:12:59.640
Selena Inouye: yeah yeah I think they need to come back, especially since they change their plan so and we should get the you know stakeholders another opportunity to attend a meeting and give feedback as well that's all I wanted to say.

1142
02:12:59.940 --> 02:13:00.870
robertthibodeau: I think it's a great idea.

1143
02:13:02.310 --> 02:13:03.030
robertthibodeau: And then.

1144
02:13:05.790 --> 02:13:14.250
james murez: there's a couple things that I heard said that I want to throw out there a bard if you want to see what it looks like there's one out in the valley that's been very successful.

1145
02:13:15.720 --> 02:13:21.060
james murez: In the tree planting is something that i've talked to Isabel about and it's.

1146
02:13:22.140 --> 02:13:30.420
james murez: Thinking about when you do your walk the height of the wires needs how far apart the trees can be space.

1147
02:13:31.290 --> 02:13:43.980
james murez: To some extent, that at least it's how tall the trees can grow and they have to keep a minimum distance of a couple of feet away from the wires depending on what the wires for so if the wires are low voltage like telephone wires.

1148
02:13:45.300 --> 02:13:53.370
james murez: You can come pretty close to him, like within two or three feet, but if they're high voltage depends on the voltage and how far you have to stay away so when you start thinking about.

1149
02:13:53.790 --> 02:14:03.810
james murez: Putting trees and on the street you got to think about how big was the treatment of the full maturity and how long is it going to take to get there, and the problem with the trees were planted the last time around.

1150
02:14:04.110 --> 02:14:13.830
james murez: They were spaced at city typical standard which was 40 feet apart and a tree that can only grow to be 20 feet high and it's going to take.

1151
02:14:14.340 --> 02:14:25.560
james murez: 1015 years to get there, the the property owners of the street were objecting to it, because it was blocking the signage on the front of their store so they go out and chop them down.

1152
02:14:25.950 --> 02:14:32.610
james murez: So the solution has to be a much more frequent tree, I mean maybe every 10 feet apart.

1153
02:14:32.940 --> 02:14:42.240
james murez: And a tree that within five years, which is the minimum watering requirement, you should be asking for for the city or the state to be providing water for the trees.

1154
02:14:42.570 --> 02:14:47.910
james murez: That that watering cycle occurs so frequently that the trees grow like weeds.

1155
02:14:48.150 --> 02:14:57.780
james murez: And that the bottoms of the trees are maintained by the maintenance crew that's putting the trees in to make sure that the bottom of the tree continues to be lifted.

1156
02:14:58.020 --> 02:15:10.680
james murez: So the signs of the storefronts are being blocked as the trees are growing that's really important on that street, and if that means that trees have to be every 10 feet apart that's what you want, and the last thing I want to say.

1157
02:15:12.600 --> 02:15:23.670
james murez: AOL east of Lincoln if people on the side streets is Erica suggested are having problems parking they're not restricted on the east side of Lincoln by the coastal Commission.

1158
02:15:24.270 --> 02:15:31.770
james murez: and being able to get permit parking, I can tell you there are parts of mar vista were permit parking was put in on particular blocks, including.

1159
02:15:32.280 --> 02:15:43.080
james murez: Mr bond street history happens to have permit parking, as do the to neighboring streets to his street and he got it done within a matter of a couple of weeks, once he started having problems over there.

1160
02:15:43.410 --> 02:15:49.620
james murez: And it was a it was raised by a lot of people in the Community that out so unfair How can he get it, nobody else can get it.

1161
02:15:49.920 --> 02:15:56.340
james murez: While it was just a question of him, putting in the request to do it and they did it so if the people on the east side of Lincoln.

1162
02:15:56.670 --> 02:16:06.570
james murez: are having problems with with with the businesses parking their vehicles all up and down the street during the daytime or in the evening and she mentioned one of the restaurants there.

1163
02:16:07.080 --> 02:16:16.770
james murez: Has parking that overflows onto the side street permit parking on the east side of Lincoln should be able to be something that we can put forward emotion asked him to do it ASAP but.

1164
02:16:17.160 --> 02:16:20.850
james murez: keep in mind that if you want to do that, you got to get the communities buy it because.

1165
02:16:21.060 --> 02:16:30.000
james murez: That means that the residents are going to have to buy permit passes, and I believe they sell them on a quarterly basis, and they have to go online to renew them all the time.

1166
02:16:30.270 --> 02:16:39.990
james murez: And then it's like how many times are you going to get guest parking and all the rest so it's something to think about it, I think it's an that that's a place that you could certainly solve that problem for them, but.

1167
02:16:41.250 --> 02:16:43.710
james murez: They take it takes getting their involvement, when you talk to him.

1168
02:16:44.850 --> 02:16:47.340
robertthibodeau: Okay, so Lincoln fast forward.

1169
02:16:48.540 --> 02:16:50.910
robertthibodeau: Ongoing I will try and get the.

1170
02:16:52.620 --> 02:17:00.900
robertthibodeau: them to do their presentation, I am looking to see if there are other hands up on our panelists and I seen none.

1171
02:17:02.100 --> 02:17:06.540
robertthibodeau: john shall we shut this this bad boy down, we went over a lot of stuff tonight guys.

1172
02:17:06.960 --> 02:17:07.320
yep.

1173
02:17:08.640 --> 02:17:13.590
robertthibodeau: Okay, I don't think we need to make a motion to do that so.

1174
02:17:14.310 --> 02:17:15.300
james murez: Just mark the time.

1175
02:17:15.720 --> 02:17:17.400
robertthibodeau: yeah it is 909.

1176
02:17:17.490 --> 02:17:19.830
james murez: Let me know when you're going to go out walking on walk with you.

1177
02:17:20.940 --> 02:17:24.930
robertthibodeau: sure that sounds great okay yeah i'll i'll try and anybody wants a.

1178
02:17:26.790 --> 02:17:27.840
robertthibodeau: couple of blocks.

1179
02:17:29.640 --> 02:17:32.790
james murez: The armored committee created a mailing list.

1180
02:17:32.820 --> 02:17:36.360
Jonathan Deer: Just for their convenience er and we have a German spy.

1181
02:17:36.690 --> 02:17:39.090
james murez: You could do that to Robert yeah.

1182
02:17:39.210 --> 02:17:43.650
robertthibodeau: i'm gonna i'm gonna talk to them, they were on earlier and.

1183
02:17:44.850 --> 02:17:47.370
robertthibodeau: Put you know i'm not the guy to choose you trees out so.

1184
02:17:47.550 --> 02:17:49.050
What i'm saying hi everybody.

1185
02:17:50.430 --> 02:17:52.140
james murez: Robert put a link on the website.

1186
02:17:52.890 --> 02:17:56.370
james murez: And as for people who want to volunteer to help walk Lincoln boulevard.

1187
02:17:57.240 --> 02:17:57.720
robertthibodeau: There yeah.

1188
02:17:58.770 --> 02:17:59.910
james murez: And then have them email you.

1189
02:18:00.660 --> 02:18:03.960
robertthibodeau: sounds good, and everybody have a good night.

1190
02:18:04.500 --> 02:18:04.860
james murez: good night.