WEBVTT 1 00:01:41.670 --> 00:01:43.470 Oliver Fries: Okay here you Jim. 2 00:01:46.350 --> 00:01:46.920 Oliver Fries: you're talking. 3 00:02:05.490 --> 00:02:07.170 Oliver Fries: cj are you there. 4 00:02:07.470 --> 00:02:11.700 Oliver Fries: i'm here OK, I can hear you I was just making sure my speakers were working. 5 00:02:41.610 --> 00:02:43.170 Oliver Fries: we've got four of us. 6 00:02:47.880 --> 00:02:49.410 Oliver Fries: Oh there's probably people trying to get. 7 00:02:50.910 --> 00:02:51.300 Oliver Fries: There we. 8 00:02:52.740 --> 00:02:53.160 Oliver Fries: Go we got. 9 00:03:00.600 --> 00:03:01.230 Some people. 10 00:03:38.730 --> 00:03:46.260 Oliver Fries: hey Jim if i'm Jim I it's hard to hear you I don't know if you're talking to us or not, but I can't hear anything you're saying I. 11 00:03:53.430 --> 00:03:54.060 Oliver Fries: can't hear you. 12 00:03:57.060 --> 00:03:58.950 Oliver Fries: Oh, it says you're on mute though so that. 13 00:04:00.990 --> 00:04:02.130 Oliver Fries: That would make sense. 14 00:04:05.760 --> 00:04:08.340 Oliver Fries: Still unmute be there you go. 15 00:04:12.420 --> 00:04:12.750 Oliver Fries: Good. 16 00:04:13.380 --> 00:04:14.430 james murez: yeah express. 17 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:20.820 Oliver Fries: hey Jim if. 18 00:04:21.930 --> 00:04:24.510 Oliver Fries: If matt is here from del rey. 19 00:04:26.040 --> 00:04:33.540 Oliver Fries: he's just an attendee and I held held chat when it's when when he'd like to write we don't need to put him on the panel. 20 00:04:36.630 --> 00:04:37.470 Oliver Fries: i'm assuming now. 21 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:41.010 Oliver Fries: That wouldn't make sense, so let me. 22 00:04:43.260 --> 00:04:44.670 Oliver Fries: Let me ask for right now. 23 00:04:44.850 --> 00:04:45.180 Oliver Fries: Okay. 24 00:04:45.390 --> 00:04:46.290 james murez: Did I get it working. 25 00:04:46.620 --> 00:04:47.790 Oliver Fries: yeah that sounds much better. 26 00:04:47.850 --> 00:04:48.870 james murez: I can't hear you yet. 27 00:04:50.790 --> 00:04:52.770 james murez: There we go now I heard you. 28 00:04:53.400 --> 00:04:53.850 Okay. 29 00:04:55.020 --> 00:05:01.080 james murez: Okay, and don't know more, ECHO, I tried to start, I was in a meeting with with the planning department and I had to. 30 00:05:01.620 --> 00:05:08.280 james murez: End one and start another one, and so it's sort of like yeah I think we just want to let matt matt matt can certainly. 31 00:05:08.640 --> 00:05:21.300 james murez: he's the president of the del rey association yeah um I would say let's just make him it's up to you, I mean it's your meeting do what you want, but if you're asking me, I would go ahead and and make him a panelist so we can yeah. 32 00:05:21.750 --> 00:05:22.770 Oliver Fries: Why not let's do it. 33 00:05:25.470 --> 00:05:29.490 Oliver Fries: Okay, we need one more for quorum, so let me call me call I haven't because I know he's coming. 34 00:05:31.050 --> 00:05:33.300 james murez: cj we can't hear you, we can see your lips moving. 35 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:35.430 james murez: there's i've been now. 36 00:05:35.820 --> 00:05:36.480 james murez: i'll promote it. 37 00:05:37.440 --> 00:05:38.790 CJ Cole: Okay yeah I am. 38 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:41.340 CJ Cole: Yes, sorry we can't see you. 39 00:05:41.970 --> 00:05:45.570 james murez: Oh, I had turned on a second ago and I just tried to promote. 40 00:05:46.860 --> 00:05:55.680 james murez: So it says cannot start film Tina please let another camera setting hold on a second. 41 00:05:57.900 --> 00:05:58.800 Integrated care. 42 00:06:01.980 --> 00:06:03.810 james murez: Be make sure that this other thing that. 43 00:06:06.360 --> 00:06:08.790 james murez: Planning department canceled correctly. 44 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.220 CJ Cole: organize an island where are your videos. 45 00:06:14.940 --> 00:06:15.720 Ivan: hi i'm here. 46 00:06:17.010 --> 00:06:18.780 CJ Cole: Can you turn your video on please. 47 00:06:20.280 --> 00:06:20.670 Ivan: Hello. 48 00:06:39.090 --> 00:06:39.810 forks. 49 00:06:54.780 --> 00:06:57.270 james murez: Let me do this i'm i'm going to. 50 00:06:59.700 --> 00:07:08.910 james murez: Oliver i'm going to promote you to be the host so we don't disconnect everybody and then i'm going to leave the meeting and come back in I think that, between the different. 51 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:16.290 james murez: What do you call it video conferencing programs the Google one still has my connection. 52 00:07:22.890 --> 00:07:26.190 james murez: So you're now host Oliver and i'm going to sign off and come back in again. 53 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:05.340 Oliver Fries: uh I believe we have quorum here we've got. 54 00:09:06.420 --> 00:09:17.220 Oliver Fries: Four jim's coming back so i'm just going to go ahead and do roll call it's 309 right now, this is all of her freeze all of her freezes here. 55 00:09:18.510 --> 00:09:19.800 Oliver Fries: George Francisco. 56 00:09:20.010 --> 00:09:20.430 here. 57 00:09:23.970 --> 00:09:25.140 Oliver Fries: cj call. 58 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:26.190 here. 59 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:28.140 Oliver Fries: I would Spiegel. 60 00:09:28.680 --> 00:09:29.070 here. 61 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:34.320 Oliver Fries: And then, James ramirez will come back to the meeting. 62 00:09:35.460 --> 00:09:37.620 Oliver Fries: He was just on he's having some technical. 63 00:09:39.030 --> 00:09:41.820 Oliver Fries: And let me just make sure he's not in the waiting room okay he's not. 64 00:09:43.230 --> 00:09:44.790 Oliver Fries: Oh Jeff jarrett. 65 00:09:45.840 --> 00:09:46.410 james murez: Yes, here. 66 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:56.130 Oliver Fries: Okay, so we will now go on to Item three review comment and adopt minutes from prior meeting. 67 00:09:56.640 --> 00:09:57.240 George Francisco: move we. 68 00:09:58.170 --> 00:09:59.010 George Francisco: approve the Minutes. 69 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:01.140 james murez: General second. 70 00:10:05.220 --> 00:10:12.630 Oliver Fries: So now moving on to public comment and on agenda items related to a rules and selection committee meeting only. 71 00:10:14.250 --> 00:10:17.400 Oliver Fries: We have no one in the public, so we will move on. 72 00:10:20.070 --> 00:10:20.790 Oliver Fries: Okay. 73 00:10:23.370 --> 00:10:30.990 Oliver Fries: next item is all business carried over from prior beatings update from the task force, this was going to be something from Liz. 74 00:10:32.580 --> 00:10:40.440 Oliver Fries: I was in the last or cj do you want to say something since you're on the task force as well, and I know George is too, but cj was in the last meeting. 75 00:10:41.910 --> 00:11:00.780 CJ Cole: Well, yes, we are actually the items that are under new business are kind of why we haven't progressed so I think we need to kind of not worry about what we've been doing and what we're going to do, going forward. 76 00:11:01.320 --> 00:11:02.220 Oliver Fries: I think you're right. 77 00:11:04.560 --> 00:11:05.820 Oliver Fries: George anything from your. 78 00:11:07.770 --> 00:11:12.510 George Francisco: phone you know we can we can we can take them all one by one, I mean. 79 00:11:12.810 --> 00:11:14.910 George Francisco: These things are these things should have been. 80 00:11:15.510 --> 00:11:24.900 George Francisco: Just for discussion, but we'll take them one by one, as we go through them did you take do we take a just get a just for the record of vote on approving the Minutes. 81 00:11:25.620 --> 00:11:31.380 Oliver Fries: Oh, excuse me thank you George okay we're going to take a vote on approving them minutes. 82 00:11:34.350 --> 00:11:38.640 Oliver Fries: So all of your freeze, yes, George. 83 00:11:38.940 --> 00:11:39.330 Yes. 84 00:11:40.590 --> 00:11:41.250 Oliver Fries: cj. 85 00:11:41.520 --> 00:11:42.000 Yes. 86 00:11:44.040 --> 00:11:46.020 Oliver Fries: Liz isn't here i've been. 87 00:11:47.940 --> 00:11:48.780 Ivan: All over. 88 00:11:49.350 --> 00:11:50.010 Oliver Fries: Yes. 89 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:55.230 Ivan: we've got loose on the phone she can't walk in and Could somebody call her and help her. 90 00:11:56.580 --> 00:11:57.120 Oliver Fries: Okay. 91 00:11:57.390 --> 00:12:00.900 Oliver Fries: Okay, Dr Ivan do you approve the Minutes for now. 92 00:12:00.960 --> 00:12:01.410 Yes. 93 00:12:02.640 --> 00:12:03.270 Oliver Fries: And Jim. 94 00:12:03.660 --> 00:12:06.270 james murez: Yes, and I try and reach out to list. 95 00:12:06.900 --> 00:12:07.710 Ivan: Okay, thank you. 96 00:12:08.550 --> 00:12:09.780 Oliver Fries: excited yes is. 97 00:12:11.850 --> 00:12:14.490 Oliver Fries: No zero now, so the Minutes past. 98 00:12:17.100 --> 00:12:17.400 Oliver Fries: Okay. 99 00:12:17.880 --> 00:12:19.380 james murez: Or the approval of the agenda. 100 00:12:20.130 --> 00:12:21.480 Ivan: live or hang up. 101 00:12:23.250 --> 00:12:27.180 Oliver Fries: The Minutes by previous minutes. 102 00:12:27.330 --> 00:12:28.620 james murez: The previous all right, I. 103 00:12:28.710 --> 00:12:32.010 james murez: I thought, Georgia, we were approving the agenda. 104 00:12:34.680 --> 00:12:35.460 Oliver Fries: Sorry, George. 105 00:12:36.090 --> 00:12:36.720 understand. 106 00:12:38.670 --> 00:12:39.270 Oliver Fries: I mean. 107 00:12:39.360 --> 00:12:41.220 james murez: I have heard both it doesn't matter. 108 00:12:41.280 --> 00:12:41.640 George Francisco: It just. 109 00:12:41.970 --> 00:12:43.200 George Francisco: really is approving the Minutes. 110 00:12:43.260 --> 00:12:49.410 Oliver Fries: that's what I said I don't I don't i've never remember having people have to prove the agenda if that wasn't me. 111 00:12:49.830 --> 00:12:50.190 George Francisco: It was. 112 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:51.930 George Francisco: It was something that used to be done. 113 00:12:52.140 --> 00:12:56.970 George Francisco: right and it seems to have you know blessedly passed into. 114 00:12:58.470 --> 00:13:05.940 George Francisco: Out of that into antiquity, I guess, so that's fine no my comment was to you know approved number three, which is documents. 115 00:13:06.390 --> 00:13:07.380 Oliver Fries: Okay well that. 116 00:13:08.760 --> 00:13:09.210 Oliver Fries: The past. 117 00:13:09.240 --> 00:13:10.080 james murez: Not a problem. 118 00:13:10.410 --> 00:13:12.540 CJ Cole: They say something. 119 00:13:13.980 --> 00:13:15.480 CJ Cole: Was as not logged in. 120 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:19.860 CJ Cole: Yet, can we go ahead and go to number 11. 121 00:13:20.340 --> 00:13:26.970 Oliver Fries: Yes, that was going to be my suggestion as well we've got matt from delray neighborhood Council so. 122 00:13:28.320 --> 00:13:42.420 Oliver Fries: We will move number 11 to the top of the agenda and we this item, maybe i'll share my screen and then let's make sure matzoh needed to so he can speak when. 123 00:13:43.020 --> 00:13:44.220 George Francisco: I moved to. 124 00:13:45.690 --> 00:13:45.960 Oliver Fries: Like. 125 00:13:46.140 --> 00:13:46.350 move. 126 00:13:47.640 --> 00:13:48.690 Oliver Fries: into can I got a second. 127 00:13:49.230 --> 00:13:50.970 Oliver Fries: Okay Okay, thank you. 128 00:13:54.030 --> 00:14:00.510 Oliver Fries: coaches or unmute matt while I read out this emotion and i'm going to share my screen as well, so everybody can see it. 129 00:14:10.620 --> 00:14:16.230 Oliver Fries: So this is Item number 11 can you guys see it well just. 130 00:14:16.710 --> 00:14:26.580 Oliver Fries: Now okay so boundary adjustment along the nc and Dr nc border presented by matt wessinger who's the president of the dnc. 131 00:14:27.990 --> 00:14:39.540 Oliver Fries: portion of land that lies along east of Lincoln boulevard and as within the dnc overlay del rey neighborhood Council has requested that we adjust the boundary so this area lies within their overlay. 132 00:14:40.380 --> 00:14:47.610 Oliver Fries: emotion as motion to amend dnc boundary to exclude lots along inside of Lincoln boulevard between maxell in Washington boulevard. 133 00:14:47.940 --> 00:15:03.720 Oliver Fries: so as to include them within the del rey neighborhood Council overlay vlc and Dr nc to coordinate the boundary adjustment matt I wrote I sort of brought that up, so I hope I had all the points there, but if I missed anything, please feel free to speak up and welcome to our meeting. 134 00:15:04.230 --> 00:15:16.770 Matt Wersinger: Thank you for having me thank you for moving this up to the first item, as well appreciate that i'm all over, you have the map, I think, on your web link do have the ability to do screen share that because I think it's going to be the easiest way to explain this. 135 00:15:16.830 --> 00:15:19.440 Oliver Fries: No problem I have it ready So here we go it's right here. 136 00:15:19.920 --> 00:15:34.320 Matt Wersinger: So, so what is in the dotted line boundary the two both shades of blue is the entirety of the glencoe maxell a specific plan what is in light blue those two larger blocks to the right and the two ones on Washington is currently del rey neighborhood Council. 137 00:15:35.490 --> 00:15:39.690 Matt Wersinger: I believe the way that the boundary was drawn was adhering to the. 138 00:15:40.260 --> 00:15:52.530 Matt Wersinger: You know the voting districts and that used to be in a lot of this has changed recently, but there used to be a line down the middle del rey avenue which which gave Venice neighborhood Council the darker blue section that runs along Lincoln boulevard. 139 00:15:53.790 --> 00:16:02.730 Matt Wersinger: Obviously the glencoe maxell a specific area is something that our neighborhood Councils pretty vested in what happens there development wise there's kind of a contiguous. 140 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.430 Matt Wersinger: piece of the neighborhood that does include that stretch that's currently in Venice. 141 00:16:08.970 --> 00:16:18.030 Matt Wersinger: also note that the border currently south of Max sellable of our new kind of see it on the map jog this West just a little bit to be down the Center line of Lincoln boulevard. 142 00:16:18.930 --> 00:16:30.120 Matt Wersinger: i've had a lot of stakeholders reach out over the years that are in this section that's actually in Venice and come to us and talk about land use issues or other issues, just because it is part of that specific plan primarily. 143 00:16:30.990 --> 00:16:36.690 Matt Wersinger: Our neighborhood Council has is voting this next week on our bylaws amendments we did include. 144 00:16:37.800 --> 00:16:45.570 Matt Wersinger: Basically, just an amendment of the boundary to include this i've been told by done that, if we both do it concurrently that's kind of what's needed to make this happen. 145 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:53.580 Matt Wersinger: i'm happy to answer any questions we're not after tax dollars are gerrymandering here it's just the fact that that specific plan is really something that. 146 00:16:53.940 --> 00:17:02.220 Matt Wersinger: kind of should be folded into one and see in our opinion, so that we can address the land use issues that come along with it in one piece. 147 00:17:04.860 --> 00:17:05.520 Oliver Fries: Thank you matt. 148 00:17:06.300 --> 00:17:15.360 George Francisco: Over doesn't seem like this needs too much more explanation on that i'm sure we're gonna have to talk it to death, but matt thanks for coming it's an odd thing that even I didn't know about. 149 00:17:16.020 --> 00:17:23.370 George Francisco: This one and I have some businesses in there that have often on the members of our Chamber of Commerce so. 150 00:17:24.540 --> 00:17:40.080 George Francisco: You know, we have other we cross boundaries in supporting the business community, but I was surprised when Oliver showed me the map, so you know I think we should just take this to a vote move along and and move this thing in your jurisdiction, so it matches your specific plan. 151 00:17:40.860 --> 00:17:44.220 james murez: And I just mentioned that I promoted Liz to a panelist. 152 00:17:44.850 --> 00:17:45.150 james murez: Yes. 153 00:17:45.540 --> 00:17:49.230 Oliver Fries: Down agenda okay lives is now and it is right is now in attendance. 154 00:17:49.980 --> 00:17:51.630 Matt Wersinger: And Oliver if I can just say one more thing. 155 00:17:52.740 --> 00:18:03.810 Matt Wersinger: The exact language I can share with you the way we wrote it it's really going to be up to done to make sure that it aligns and the border language is correct and accurate, so if you guys do approve this i'm happy to share what we did, and. 156 00:18:04.260 --> 00:18:09.060 Matt Wersinger: figure out how to make it align either with you guys together to done when we submit our finals. 157 00:18:09.630 --> 00:18:11.310 james murez: Do you have that language here today matt. 158 00:18:11.880 --> 00:18:13.530 Matt Wersinger: I can pull it up here, give me one second. 159 00:18:13.530 --> 00:18:18.960 james murez: If you want, you can share screens I just made sure screen possible, and then we can get that into our recorded the record. 160 00:18:19.260 --> 00:18:23.220 Matt Wersinger: yeah its technical so hold on because it's a border language. 161 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:35.970 Matt Wersinger: yeah okay here. 162 00:18:38.820 --> 00:18:46.020 Matt Wersinger: here's here's what it is now, this is our proposed amendment, this is not adopted gate, but you can see, the section here. 163 00:18:48.030 --> 00:18:50.310 Matt Wersinger: beginning at Lincoln in Washington. 164 00:18:53.640 --> 00:18:59.580 Matt Wersinger: it's all complicated technical jargon, but I can copy, and I can copy and paste this and send this to you Oliver and. 165 00:19:00.090 --> 00:19:01.590 Oliver Fries: sounds good i'll share with everybody. 166 00:19:01.680 --> 00:19:03.720 Matt Wersinger: yeah exactly it may be better to do that and. 167 00:19:03.750 --> 00:19:05.670 Oliver Fries: Try to say yeah okay. 168 00:19:06.690 --> 00:19:18.720 George Francisco: Well, listen II i'll make a motion to include the del rey neighborhood Council language as presented by matt into the tremendous motion to include that language is a description. 169 00:19:19.080 --> 00:19:20.070 james murez: And i'll second that. 170 00:19:21.540 --> 00:19:22.020 Oliver Fries: Okay. 171 00:19:22.140 --> 00:19:25.170 james murez: And then the gym George made the motion Jim second. 172 00:19:25.650 --> 00:19:30.270 Oliver Fries: I got it Thank you Jordan at the motion seconded, so now we. 173 00:19:30.810 --> 00:19:32.760 George Francisco: were to vote on, on the amendment. 174 00:19:32.940 --> 00:19:34.440 james murez: cj is waving her hand she's. 175 00:19:35.190 --> 00:19:35.520 Though. 176 00:19:36.780 --> 00:19:45.780 CJ Cole: you'll have a question matt, are there any proposed developments in that area at the moment that you know. 177 00:19:46.050 --> 00:19:54.420 Matt Wersinger: there's a parcel that's been for sale in the middle of the block the last that we understood it was for sale in part with a parcel that's. 178 00:19:54.720 --> 00:20:00.420 Matt Wersinger: In the East side of del rey avenue, and they would all come together and they were trying to tie some things together, as far as. 179 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:06.540 Matt Wersinger: what they were doing with the city and the entitlements within the properties like build higher on one and less on another. 180 00:20:07.530 --> 00:20:17.280 Matt Wersinger: That, as far as I know, there's some there's some residual pollution issues in the soil, so I don't know that that is happening imminently and I don't even know if the prop the sale went through because of it. 181 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:23.970 Matt Wersinger: that's kind of one of the things that a few years ago kick this into gear and made us think about it i'm not aware of anything imminent, though, at this point. 182 00:20:24.210 --> 00:20:26.790 CJ Cole: has been presented to your Council. 183 00:20:27.930 --> 00:20:38.010 Matt Wersinger: There have been some not publicly know there have been some discussions with various ownership groups out one of them did come to us and said, if we were to buy this property What could we do there. 184 00:20:39.360 --> 00:20:41.460 CJ Cole: That should be a moment. 185 00:20:41.820 --> 00:20:59.430 CJ Cole: discuss until this modification on the MC correct and you know that's My only concern with this motion is if there is something in that section that will affect Venice, that we need to know more about. 186 00:20:59.520 --> 00:20:59.880 Before. 187 00:21:01.590 --> 00:21:05.790 CJ Cole: likely we don't know enough to make this month to vote on this motion. 188 00:21:06.030 --> 00:21:14.940 Matt Wersinger: yeah that that project that i'm talking about when they came to us that was the first thing we said is you guys are going to have to go to Venice for the Venice portion and us for our portion and. 189 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:16.350 CJ Cole: They they. 190 00:21:16.560 --> 00:21:25.980 Matt Wersinger: Well, they didn't go anywhere, because they never bought the land, the sale never went through and it's as far as I know, there's nothing nothing's been filed nothing's even on the table, no one came back to us to even talk more about it. 191 00:21:28.950 --> 00:21:29.460 Oliver Fries: So, Jim. 192 00:21:30.330 --> 00:21:44.070 james murez: um I just want to save it if there was something filed, it would come through on the early notification report and, until that something comes through on the early notification for the neighborhood Council doesn't have any jurisdiction over looking into the future. 193 00:21:45.120 --> 00:22:03.300 james murez: I don't think that there's any reason to hold anything up on a possible pending project that may someday come about and I also want to say that the East side of Lincoln doesn't have a coastal development plan, I mean doesn't have a any coastal jurisdiction. 194 00:22:04.410 --> 00:22:24.090 james murez: So it's the municipal code and and that's something that typically genesis never really paid much attention to, because it is the municipal code and and there is a link and corridor plan, but again, that has you know it has its own teeth we're not Venice doesn't have any particular. 195 00:22:25.230 --> 00:22:35.880 james murez: what's how's the word dog in this race, because you know Venice is typically concerned about land use issues, having to do with coastal development stuff. 196 00:22:36.420 --> 00:22:45.840 james murez: And it doesn't apply here, so if there was a permit in the process, we would only be looking at that permit from the standpoint of municipal code. 197 00:22:47.250 --> 00:22:52.290 james murez: You know I think this is a no brainer I think we just move forward to get it on the porch agenda be done with it. 198 00:22:53.490 --> 00:22:55.710 Oliver Fries: I agreed, is there any other comments. 199 00:22:56.910 --> 00:23:02.310 Oliver Fries: there's no public comments, so that was pretty much our committee discussion unless anybody else has something to say. 200 00:23:04.620 --> 00:23:08.700 Oliver Fries: Okay we're gonna take a vote on this thing and. 201 00:23:10.860 --> 00:23:13.290 Oliver Fries: All of your freeze guess. 202 00:23:15.390 --> 00:23:15.960 Oliver Fries: cj. 203 00:23:18.510 --> 00:23:19.050 Oliver Fries: I haven't. 204 00:23:21.900 --> 00:23:22.740 Oliver Fries: I haven't you're muted. 205 00:23:22.800 --> 00:23:23.670 james murez: And here, you live it. 206 00:23:29.370 --> 00:23:29.520 Ivan: i'm. 207 00:23:33.060 --> 00:23:33.510 Oliver Fries: Jim. 208 00:23:33.900 --> 00:23:40.140 Oliver Fries: Yes, Okay, so we have one yes one now say two yeses one now in an extension. 209 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:42.210 George Francisco: I vote yes. 210 00:23:44.670 --> 00:23:45.630 james murez: Louis is here to. 211 00:23:46.110 --> 00:23:50.130 Oliver Fries: The US sorry guys my my graph here is messed up Liz. 212 00:23:51.300 --> 00:23:51.990 Elizabeth Wright: Staying. 213 00:23:54.840 --> 00:23:59.100 Oliver Fries: Okay, so that's two yeses one no to abstentions. 214 00:23:59.310 --> 00:24:00.720 james murez: I think it was three yeses. 215 00:24:00.810 --> 00:24:01.080 yeah. 216 00:24:02.280 --> 00:24:03.240 George Francisco: Three yeses. 217 00:24:03.510 --> 00:24:04.380 Oliver Fries: yeah sorry I. 218 00:24:04.410 --> 00:24:05.220 George Francisco: Read, this is a no. 219 00:24:06.120 --> 00:24:08.700 George Francisco: No emotion, as amended, and now we can. 220 00:24:08.700 --> 00:24:11.280 George Francisco: Vote on the back of the emotion as a man. 221 00:24:12.780 --> 00:24:13.920 Oliver Fries: Okay, and. 222 00:24:15.060 --> 00:24:17.250 Oliver Fries: So I enjoyed re explain that to me it's been. 223 00:24:17.460 --> 00:24:27.840 George Francisco: We have to amend it emotion first Oliver like what we just did you know somebody brought an amendment to the floor, which was made him second did it, and so we talked about whether we were going to accept the amendment or not. 224 00:24:28.260 --> 00:24:36.900 George Francisco: And we did, and now we have an amended motion versus the original motion, so now we have to vote on the motion as a men. 225 00:24:37.620 --> 00:24:47.640 George Francisco: Okay, it sounds a little like doing the same thing twice, and it is, but you have to realize that, on the other end of it had, I made the emotion and Jim seconded and everybody. 226 00:24:48.300 --> 00:24:55.410 George Francisco: voted to get made a bad decision about against it, then we would have had to then vote on the original function. 227 00:24:55.890 --> 00:25:06.150 George Francisco: or Jim could have brought up emotion, to change the language and motor and and and we could have dealt with another amendment before so now we're now we're voting for V motion as amended. 228 00:25:06.780 --> 00:25:07.770 George Francisco: A call for that vote. 229 00:25:07.950 --> 00:25:13.470 Oliver Fries: Now we're voting for the motion, as amended, all of your friends, yes, George Francisco. 230 00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:13.980 Yes. 231 00:25:15.120 --> 00:25:16.050 Oliver Fries: cj call. 232 00:25:16.440 --> 00:25:16.860 out. 233 00:25:19.950 --> 00:25:20.970 Oliver Fries: Ivan Sligo. 234 00:25:22.260 --> 00:25:23.010 Ivan: Now. 235 00:25:24.210 --> 00:25:25.140 Oliver Fries: Kim yes. 236 00:25:25.260 --> 00:25:25.770 Yes. 237 00:25:26.970 --> 00:25:27.420 Oliver Fries: Right. 238 00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:34.800 Oliver Fries: Okay, so we have three s's to knows, one abstention, the motion as amended passes. 239 00:25:36.120 --> 00:25:38.820 George Francisco: we've got math we're happy to help. 240 00:25:39.390 --> 00:25:40.950 Matt Wersinger: yeah thanks guys. 241 00:25:41.370 --> 00:25:42.840 james murez: That that will be on the. 242 00:25:43.800 --> 00:25:45.660 james murez: On the February board. 243 00:25:47.490 --> 00:25:48.180 james murez: Agenda 244 00:25:49.980 --> 00:25:51.900 james murez: is scheduled for the 15th when is your meeting. 245 00:25:52.230 --> 00:25:55.260 Matt Wersinger: Ours is this the 10th this coming Thursday so we'll have it. 246 00:25:56.130 --> 00:25:58.530 james murez: We won't we won't have it for you, by then, but. 247 00:25:58.980 --> 00:25:59.310 Matt Wersinger: it's okay. 248 00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.410 james murez: it's you know it's going in that direction. 249 00:26:01.620 --> 00:26:03.060 Matt Wersinger: Right thanks guys good to see you. 250 00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:03.840 james murez: Thank you. 251 00:26:07.260 --> 00:26:08.790 Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks everybody. 252 00:26:09.780 --> 00:26:11.250 George Francisco: Have a way to get the piece of business out of the way. 253 00:26:13.230 --> 00:26:14.520 Oliver Fries: yeah no worries. 254 00:26:15.870 --> 00:26:22.110 Oliver Fries: Okay, so now we've got several items here to discuss regarding standing roles and. 255 00:26:23.070 --> 00:26:25.440 james murez: i'm going to step away for a minute to use your restroom of your effect. 256 00:26:25.830 --> 00:26:27.690 CJ Cole: yeah needs to come in. 257 00:26:29.580 --> 00:26:34.710 George Francisco: Yet that was waiting I point of order, since liz's here we can get her update. 258 00:26:36.030 --> 00:26:43.710 Oliver Fries: Okay let's do you want to do an update, thank you, thank you, George was now that you're here would you like to do a general update on Task Force and. 259 00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:45.750 Elizabeth Wright: Take the status is. 260 00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:51.120 Elizabeth Wright: The Standing rules as they exist and. 261 00:26:51.150 --> 00:26:51.960 have been passed. 262 00:26:53.070 --> 00:26:53.730 Daff: Currently. 263 00:26:54.660 --> 00:26:56.400 Elizabeth Wright: have been cleaned up. 264 00:26:57.690 --> 00:26:58.650 Elizabeth Wright: To up the. 265 00:27:00.060 --> 00:27:01.740 Elizabeth Wright: Changes recently. 266 00:27:02.430 --> 00:27:03.870 Elizabeth Wright: Word have been incorporated. 267 00:27:06.630 --> 00:27:08.430 Elizabeth Wright: The format has been revised. 268 00:27:09.660 --> 00:27:10.140 Elizabeth Wright: and 269 00:27:11.250 --> 00:27:17.040 Elizabeth Wright: The revision is to have the standing rules format paralleled the bylaws. 270 00:27:18.810 --> 00:27:21.660 Elizabeth Wright: In that virgin it still has the. 271 00:27:24.300 --> 00:27:26.250 Elizabeth Wright: Two of the items passed by the board. 272 00:27:27.840 --> 00:27:29.190 Elizabeth Wright: To more have to be added. 273 00:27:30.780 --> 00:27:33.870 Elizabeth Wright: The last third of that document needs to be tightened up. 274 00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:38.040 Elizabeth Wright: There are additional changes to be proposed. 275 00:27:39.120 --> 00:27:45.570 Elizabeth Wright: Looking at approximately two more meetings before ready to present to the full board up to the full. 276 00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:49.050 Elizabeth Wright: Committee for consideration. 277 00:27:53.580 --> 00:27:54.090 Oliver Fries: Okay. 278 00:27:55.980 --> 00:28:04.140 Oliver Fries: You guys I posted liz's changes to the standing rules on the dnc website and it's red line so everyone can can take a look. 279 00:28:05.970 --> 00:28:20.880 Oliver Fries: I guess for the next items are all related to the standing roles and the bylaws i've kind of looked to you guys to to understand what what what we think we should discuss first there's a lot of items here I don't think we'll get through them all. 280 00:28:22.020 --> 00:28:26.250 Oliver Fries: I know there's a deadline for for the bylaws on April 1. 281 00:28:27.360 --> 00:28:33.150 Oliver Fries: But I just I guess what, what do you guys want to cover first or what do you want to discuss first. 282 00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:39.570 George Francisco: Alright well look i'm gonna i'm going to say something, and this is, you know you've been doing a good job to your credit. 283 00:28:39.990 --> 00:28:48.540 George Francisco: You know these are discussion items, these are not motions to go to the board Okay, you know in in in it's okay that they got turned into that but we certainly don't need to take these. 284 00:28:49.170 --> 00:29:01.590 George Francisco: As motions as voting motions, you know, should we tackle the standard rules or bylaws first you know that's a question for discussion, you know I mean we've tackled the standing rules we've started there from what i've seen liz's done. 285 00:29:02.040 --> 00:29:13.470 George Francisco: You know she's done a fine job, and you know, basically, the standing rules are document, as are the bylaws I am I am i'm undecided whether. 286 00:29:14.010 --> 00:29:20.190 George Francisco: The Standing rules need to look like the bylaws they're scanning rules, you know, obviously. 287 00:29:21.030 --> 00:29:28.110 George Francisco: They just looked super terrible because they had a couple of different fonts and some reference so Liz made them look really professional. 288 00:29:28.470 --> 00:29:41.040 George Francisco: And really nice with the proper font and the proper sizing and they are standing rules until we add a new one, and you know and the board votes on that, and you know those can be posted. 289 00:29:42.090 --> 00:29:48.210 George Francisco: As you know, they are secretarial correction so that's, the first thing we've already started attacking the standing rules. 290 00:29:48.750 --> 00:29:54.570 George Francisco: You know we've already started with the standard rules, you should can continue working on the standards, you know that's that's my. 291 00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:59.400 George Francisco: subject for discussion, as far as I have to say, as far as changing the bylaws. 292 00:30:00.180 --> 00:30:06.060 George Francisco: Changing the bylaws our vote you change it by law by a vote should we piecemeal changing the biology us in depth approach. 293 00:30:06.450 --> 00:30:16.920 George Francisco: The last time we did an in depth approach was 2016 and there were a lot of problems with that we made a very big red line copy, but we had a lot of people that had a long time experience dealing with these things. 294 00:30:17.700 --> 00:30:31.740 George Francisco: IRA Ivan myself Jim weighed in on them, and you know it was presented as a document, it was presented after a number of years of suggested change so really what we did was you organize them and and. 295 00:30:32.160 --> 00:30:45.840 George Francisco: did what we could to make them a more readable and comprehensive document you know so, but if you're going to change the bylaws you change them by law by by less by Bible, you know so that I don't really see that as a discussion point. 296 00:30:46.830 --> 00:30:56.340 George Francisco: Informed what confirming with bunks guides are finished my statement confirming with bongs guidance is just something we have to do if they're giving us guidance. 297 00:30:56.790 --> 00:31:04.200 George Francisco: You know that's that's almost secretarial until done takes them away and adds inbox things it's not like, we have to do that. 298 00:31:04.740 --> 00:31:17.970 George Francisco: You know that's again it's secretarial of bunk is issuing us advice to say make your bylaws in a certain format using Roman numerals one, two and three it's not a vote it's not something we have to deal with it can be presented to us, and then moved on. 299 00:31:19.950 --> 00:31:24.630 George Francisco: And as far as the format for the standing rules it's Another thing I want to see what Liz has to do Liz has an idea. 300 00:31:24.900 --> 00:31:35.100 George Francisco: And and listen to your credit we've talked about this, should the standing rules look like the bylaws and from, and I was willing to give you a chance to draft them all out front look at them personally. 301 00:31:35.610 --> 00:31:41.100 George Francisco: On instinct standing rules are standard rules bylaws or bylaws they don't have to look like a junior documented cheech but again. 302 00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:57.630 George Francisco: that's a question that you actually need to have comparisons, you know so like I said that's the discussion that's my discussion points for the topic, but these certainly are not motions to go to the board, and you know I. 303 00:31:57.840 --> 00:32:06.480 George Francisco: hang my hat on that, so you know that's what I have to say i'm sure we're gonna get some bad opinions here and complaints, but you know that's what I have that discussion. 304 00:32:07.290 --> 00:32:08.490 Oliver Fries: DJ andres. 305 00:32:10.140 --> 00:32:18.150 CJ Cole: um first of all, I have an answer to each one of them um because I thought we were going to be taking them independently. 306 00:32:18.630 --> 00:32:26.340 CJ Cole: First of all, if we have a format that we're supposed to have our bylaws and we should do it, and we should do it as soon as possible. 307 00:32:26.580 --> 00:32:34.950 CJ Cole: This doesn't mean changing anything about our bylaws is just rearranging and changing maybe the headlines okay. 308 00:32:35.220 --> 00:32:46.650 CJ Cole: that's something that is relatively easy to do if we don't get into a discussion on the what the bylaws say it's just moving it into the bylaws. 309 00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:58.740 CJ Cole: A template Okay, I do think that if we put our heads together and worked on it, we could get that done in time to perhaps get it to the march 3. 310 00:32:59.820 --> 00:33:06.420 CJ Cole: Our have a committee meeting to approve it on march 3 get it to the add calm and then on to the next. 311 00:33:06.840 --> 00:33:18.870 CJ Cole: um you know the next whatever you want to call it neighborhood Council meeting, so that we could approve it and submitted Okay, but that is what the idea of the template is. 312 00:33:19.350 --> 00:33:27.930 CJ Cole: OK, I as far as I know I didn't know, we had more than one by law changed to me. 313 00:33:28.740 --> 00:33:37.500 CJ Cole: We might have standing rules changes, but I think we only have one request for a bylaws change which could be incorporated with that. 314 00:33:37.830 --> 00:33:48.450 CJ Cole: Okay that's just my number one comment on that, but I do think that before we go further, we need to have the bylaws in the state that we're going to go forward. 315 00:33:49.560 --> 00:33:59.430 CJ Cole: You know, we can't work with documents that have lines and and we got to go forward with something that is something that is a piece. 316 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:10.140 CJ Cole: A document, and if the documents supposed to look like the template it's not that difficult to move things around into the template. 317 00:34:11.370 --> 00:34:12.780 CJ Cole: The verbiage is there. 318 00:34:14.460 --> 00:34:24.630 CJ Cole: And that's just my comment on that one now, if you want me to keep going on the other ones I disagree on most of them, but that's one of the problems we have in our Community is that we don't agree. 319 00:34:25.170 --> 00:34:40.140 CJ Cole: um I really think the bylaws I mean the standing rules need to be wiped off and started from scratch, I think we just are far past the ability to take our verbiage and make it into something that is. 320 00:34:41.040 --> 00:34:53.910 CJ Cole: consistent and if that makes any sense we have things in there duplicated we have yeah we just have too much stuff that steps on each other, they disagree with each other. 321 00:34:54.210 --> 00:34:59.250 CJ Cole: there's just you know they're not in any what we're near the same format. 322 00:34:59.820 --> 00:35:08.910 CJ Cole: um it's just like you know we just keep adding something on to the end, and if you really want to read them and try to understand them, I find it impossible. 323 00:35:09.270 --> 00:35:16.620 CJ Cole: Okay, and then going forward I have more comments, but that's the standing rules are really my comment that I think we need to. 324 00:35:17.010 --> 00:35:30.810 CJ Cole: You know, to take and start from scratch with them, obviously, incorporating what exists on there, but start with you know from scratch with not trying to read line, a document that is. 325 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:42.870 CJ Cole: pretty bad and to spend all this time trying to correct punctuation and spelling is doesn't change the standing roles and how somebody can use. 326 00:35:45.660 --> 00:35:46.350 Oliver Fries: your hands up. 327 00:35:46.830 --> 00:36:01.050 james murez: yeah Thank you um, I just wanted to comment on what I believe is the most important issue for us, as a committee, as well as for the board, and that is that we have to comply with. 328 00:36:01.950 --> 00:36:15.420 james murez: dunn's request, and I think to spend a whole lot more time on the on trying to rewrite the standing rules that really don't have a timeline there's no deadline to get them fix. 329 00:36:16.350 --> 00:36:25.590 james murez: is a mistake, I think if we wanted to rewrite the bylaws or change some of the bylaws we don't necessarily have to get that done this cycle. 330 00:36:25.950 --> 00:36:34.800 james murez: But I think that the stuff that that what done has handed out as these shall be changes that you make need to be incorporated, and I think that. 331 00:36:35.250 --> 00:36:44.400 james murez: If we don't incorporate them, then we opened up pandora's box that they incorporate that and then somehow it ends up conflicting with something that we already have. 332 00:36:44.820 --> 00:36:49.950 james murez: And that's what really worries me if we don't do it, they will and and that's a big problem. 333 00:36:50.310 --> 00:37:00.150 james murez: And I think that we have to get the bylaws into a state and George was saying, we have to follow, whatever their guidelines are and we don't have a choice about that. 334 00:37:00.630 --> 00:37:08.580 james murez: And whether it's secretarial or we have to bring it to the board tell everybody look this had to be changed, because it was in conflict with with what don has now said. 335 00:37:08.970 --> 00:37:16.050 james murez: then so be it let's get that done let's get that out of the way and then let's come back and look at the standing rules, I think Lewis, has done a brilliant job. 336 00:37:16.350 --> 00:37:32.280 james murez: of cleaning up the the the general appearance of them, and whether or not there's there's things that are are in conflict with like cj say I personally have not spent enough time dissecting them to be able to say that, but I think that. 337 00:37:33.390 --> 00:37:37.620 james murez: If we were to work off of what Liz is now cleaned up and. 338 00:37:39.180 --> 00:37:45.300 james murez: Take each instance of where there's a mistake and make a new document. 339 00:37:46.230 --> 00:37:54.510 james murez: and other words a copy of the original start with Liz is document call that the master copy and then make version one and version, one might be addressing where. 340 00:37:54.810 --> 00:38:05.340 james murez: Section 1.5 point F point Z whatever is in conflict with this other paragraph and just describe what's the problem and call that version one. 341 00:38:05.700 --> 00:38:22.980 james murez: And then make a version two which address a completely different problem and and cj if you have a clean understanding of what all these problems are, I think if we were to document what each one of them was in a separate file, so we could look at them each individually one, at a time. 342 00:38:24.750 --> 00:38:43.830 james murez: And if, even if it represents two or three different problems, all in the same time make that one instance of here's the problem, this is how I proposed fix the problem and maybe it means rewriting 3456 paragraphs that that would give us something to work on, but it was well. 343 00:38:45.030 --> 00:38:48.090 CJ Cole: done well hold on cj hold on. 344 00:38:48.750 --> 00:39:02.910 james murez: That would give us something to work on going forward that we could take each one of these things, perhaps in a future meeting and look at each one one, at a time, one after the next, rather than trying to do the whole document all at once, but I think that. 345 00:39:02.940 --> 00:39:04.050 james murez: What we really have to. 346 00:39:04.110 --> 00:39:15.270 james murez: focus on is getting this the these fundamental changes into the bylaws and I know of one change that we just voted on. 347 00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:23.220 james murez: It is going to be a bylaw amendment and that's going to be a boundary change and so that's one thing that we definitely have to add there now. 348 00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:36.870 james murez: And if if you say that you knew of one other change fine if there's one other change that we have to make let's talk about that and let's talk about what these done requirements are and let's move forward from there and i'm done. 349 00:39:37.710 --> 00:39:40.410 CJ Cole: I agree 100% with you on that, Jim. 350 00:39:40.590 --> 00:39:48.420 CJ Cole: And just as an aside, I took standing rules and the communication. 351 00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:55.380 CJ Cole: Whatever you want to call it the unknown the outreach committee chairman, whatever you know to me they're both one in the same. 352 00:39:55.710 --> 00:40:06.360 CJ Cole: And I took every place, it was found throughout the standing rules, which was many, many, many places, and I book and put it in an organized. 353 00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:19.380 CJ Cole: fashion as to what those standing rule said and made it something that was 1234 or five if you know what I mean um and it just to me that's the way it should do and. 354 00:40:19.740 --> 00:40:28.530 CJ Cole: Then the outreach committee is by far the worst abuse of the Standing roles or or whatever and it's in horrible condition they. 355 00:40:28.860 --> 00:40:36.480 james murez: But cj what i'm saying is is that if you did it all in one document, then we have to look at this all in one document. 356 00:40:37.080 --> 00:40:46.890 james murez: If you have a problem with one thing that's wrong with the outreach committee make that one separate document let's talk about when then, and then we can make it an agenda item. 357 00:40:47.220 --> 00:40:51.870 james murez: To look at Item number 17 and standing roles which references. 358 00:40:52.560 --> 00:41:01.650 james murez: outreach and we can take that as one point, and if we have an agenda that has 30 items on because there's 30 separate files, each one of them, addressing a different problem. 359 00:41:01.980 --> 00:41:08.670 james murez: we've now broken it down to a manageable tasks that maybe we won't get through all 30 agenda items in one meeting. 360 00:41:09.180 --> 00:41:24.330 james murez: But we can certainly get through one of them, maybe, maybe two of them are three of them, but it gives us start to organize a way of managing what the problem is rather than looking at it, as this this this universal kind of global problem. 361 00:41:25.620 --> 00:41:30.900 james murez: that's what we don't want to do we don't want to look at it as a huge problem right to look at little individual pieces. 362 00:41:31.110 --> 00:41:37.170 CJ Cole: Think what it is that we have a set of rules, they have stepped on top of each other for years. 363 00:41:37.860 --> 00:41:56.280 CJ Cole: You know by number five being a change the number three without taking out number three I can I don't see a way of really fixing these standing rules to be something that works without basically doing it all over from scratch almost. 364 00:41:56.670 --> 00:42:12.390 james murez: cake that's what we're talking about we're talking about addressing each individual problem, so if you see where something has stepped on something write that up in one copy of listeners document and say this paragraph steps on that paragraph. 365 00:42:13.080 --> 00:42:14.610 CJ Cole: document doesn't work. 366 00:42:15.750 --> 00:42:22.560 james murez: It what listeners document has done is it has used a standard numbering system. 367 00:42:22.920 --> 00:42:33.750 james murez: Where every paragraph this number now, if you want to take it one step further, we could add a legal a page numbering down the left hand column, and you could call out page number and character over on the column. 368 00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:40.320 CJ Cole: items that there are three or four different references and the same thing. 369 00:42:40.470 --> 00:42:53.310 james murez: that's okay that been that one you reference that would be one document that you would then describe in Doc in the document that's i'm now looking at as a problem I see where paragraph. 370 00:42:54.480 --> 00:43:00.600 james murez: references in three different places the following paragraph and then we can address it. 371 00:43:03.690 --> 00:43:13.020 CJ Cole: me it's just not the way i'm used to doing anything I don't know, but I find it impossible because we are totally as a committee at a standstill. 372 00:43:13.350 --> 00:43:19.950 CJ Cole: And if we want to do it loses weight, you can do without me Okay, because I don't see doing it that way. 373 00:43:20.790 --> 00:43:29.040 CJ Cole: Okay it's we've got to come up with a document that is readable and understandable and that has some consistency with it. 374 00:43:29.790 --> 00:43:41.850 CJ Cole: There is nothing that says, our standing rules are like the bylaws they just have to be approved by our our board so that, if they don't have exactly the same. 375 00:43:42.600 --> 00:43:49.980 CJ Cole: 20 million words, some of these things have a standing rule our paragraph that's maybe 100 words long. 376 00:43:50.640 --> 00:44:03.990 CJ Cole: which says one sentence, you know which says one thing it's just that you know we have gone through I don't think he's in attendance, but we've gone through these motions that Nick makes that goes on and on and on and off. 377 00:44:04.260 --> 00:44:05.250 james murez: And they get a group with. 378 00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:07.920 CJ Cole: What i'm saying i'm one of our standing rules. 379 00:44:08.010 --> 00:44:15.510 james murez: cj what i'm saying is, if you if you see a problem where there's a paragraph that goes on and on and on, for 100 words and you think that there's something wrong with that. 380 00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:22.890 james murez: Take liz's copy, which is numbered and lettered and it's very clearly identified each paragraph each thing is there. 381 00:44:23.130 --> 00:44:37.230 james murez: Take that document as a starting point, because it's clean, not because it's correct, but because it's clean it's been organized okay that's all i'm saying take that and now at the top of that document, the very beginning, just write a paragraph. 382 00:44:37.770 --> 00:44:48.330 james murez: In this document paragraph night or page five of paragraph 19 sentence three is 100 words long, and I think it could be written like this. 383 00:44:48.660 --> 00:44:58.650 james murez: and describe how to write it and then save that file and start over on the next case, and then we can look at that one issue rather than talking about all of these different things. 384 00:44:58.830 --> 00:45:12.870 james murez: Because you're jumping I mean I gotta admit you're jumping all over the board and i'm not able to keep up with what things are being stepped on what things are being duplicated what things are the word too many words it's just it's too it's too voluminous. 385 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:27.330 CJ Cole: i'm more I can go ahead and try to take what i've done for the outreach and Gil just exactly that basically cake loses and you know, say, of what it was, and it make what I think it should be. 386 00:45:28.650 --> 00:45:30.960 james murez: And you know if you have revision tracking. 387 00:45:31.650 --> 00:45:34.860 james murez: And I think you use a fairly recent word processor. 388 00:45:36.120 --> 00:45:37.650 CJ Cole: event in wordpress. 389 00:45:37.830 --> 00:45:38.070 Right. 390 00:45:39.270 --> 00:45:41.190 CJ Cole: Word Microsoft whatever. 391 00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:42.630 Oliver Fries: OK OK OK, I think. 392 00:45:42.720 --> 00:45:43.860 james murez: I think first rather. 393 00:45:43.950 --> 00:45:50.460 Oliver Fries: I think we get it, I think cj I think you just need to present the things that you want to change, I don't think we're going to be able to do it all at once. 394 00:45:51.840 --> 00:45:54.090 CJ Cole: I think that's the way we should be doing it. 395 00:45:54.210 --> 00:45:57.720 Oliver Fries: Okay, do not understand, I think we gotta. 396 00:45:58.200 --> 00:45:58.560 Leave. 397 00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:01.890 Oliver Fries: her hand up Please go ahead. 398 00:46:02.190 --> 00:46:03.030 Oliver Fries: thanks for the fish. 399 00:46:03.570 --> 00:46:16.290 Elizabeth Wright: Okay couple of things when I wrote down all those motions, it was not anything to go to the board, it was just bringing out, these are the things that the committee has to decide. 400 00:46:17.640 --> 00:46:23.370 Elizabeth Wright: Nothing more, I put them down in the form of motions, so they would be discussed. 401 00:46:23.460 --> 00:46:31.560 Oliver Fries: yeah I think yeah I think Liz was also trying to help me sort of formulate motions and I use those for the immediate, so there, yes, there. 402 00:46:31.650 --> 00:46:31.950 Okay. 403 00:46:34.290 --> 00:46:43.710 Elizabeth Wright: The reason I structured the standing rules like the bylaws is because the bylaws says the standing rules are supplemental to them. 404 00:46:45.540 --> 00:46:47.370 CJ Cole: that's 100%. 405 00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:49.500 Elizabeth Wright: Excuse me. 406 00:46:49.980 --> 00:46:54.690 CJ Cole: I agree with the way of structuring other parallel. 407 00:46:55.560 --> 00:46:56.970 CJ Cole: So that's. 408 00:46:57.780 --> 00:46:59.040 Elizabeth Wright: That that's what I did. 409 00:46:59.310 --> 00:47:00.390 Oliver Fries: yeah okay. 410 00:47:00.810 --> 00:47:02.280 Elizabeth Wright: I, I agree that. 411 00:47:03.450 --> 00:47:07.170 Elizabeth Wright: The bylaws should be addressed standing rules can be put on hold. 412 00:47:08.460 --> 00:47:09.570 Elizabeth Wright: there's nothing wrong with that. 413 00:47:11.580 --> 00:47:12.390 Elizabeth Wright: we're flexible. 414 00:47:12.990 --> 00:47:26.220 Oliver Fries: Okay, so I think I mean Lucy did a good job with the grammar and the format change can we could we make a motion to approve those changes and bring that to the board, just so that. 415 00:47:26.250 --> 00:47:26.940 Ivan: Where are they. 416 00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:32.190 Oliver Fries: There on the website I posted them but i'll put them i'll put them up on the screen here to. 417 00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:33.570 Oliver Fries: ya know what you. 418 00:47:34.080 --> 00:47:39.270 Ivan: You can't do that today without without it being here that we can all see it. 419 00:47:40.230 --> 00:47:42.180 Oliver Fries: Oh yeah it's been on the site since. 420 00:47:42.450 --> 00:47:42.720 you've. 421 00:47:43.770 --> 00:47:43.980 james murez: Already. 422 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:44.580 james murez: It was. 423 00:47:45.930 --> 00:47:52.710 james murez: Ivan it was posted correctly and there is a reference to discussing and possible action he can we. 424 00:47:52.800 --> 00:47:54.540 Oliver Fries: Are it's on it's. 425 00:47:54.810 --> 00:47:56.880 james murez: on our website is supporting documents. 426 00:47:57.450 --> 00:47:58.350 Ivan: Where we put. 427 00:47:58.650 --> 00:48:01.470 Ivan: The link in the agenda to it that we can see it. 428 00:48:01.980 --> 00:48:02.250 Oliver Fries: It was. 429 00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:04.920 Oliver Fries: posted so here. 430 00:48:05.700 --> 00:48:06.630 Ivan: We have seen. 431 00:48:07.950 --> 00:48:11.640 Oliver Fries: It was posted as supplemental material on the on the dnc website. 432 00:48:13.380 --> 00:48:23.790 Oliver Fries: And it's in relation to Item number 10 approach for reviewing and revising the standing roles, how should we review the review these revisions so i'm looking to. 433 00:48:24.660 --> 00:48:34.200 Oliver Fries: modify the motion so that we can approve these revisions take that to the board clean up the standing rules and and then move on to the next item. 434 00:48:38.310 --> 00:48:41.340 CJ Cole: If we approve what lives and come up with. 435 00:48:42.360 --> 00:48:56.190 CJ Cole: Actually, then go forward without having to use that format, in other words, can we just take it and strip all of the changes we've been making and the reds and the blues and yellows and the Greens and come up with one document going forward. 436 00:48:57.060 --> 00:49:01.110 Oliver Fries: Well, I think you just you the red lines are there so people can see the changes and then. 437 00:49:01.740 --> 00:49:03.180 CJ Cole: Once it gets approved. 438 00:49:03.930 --> 00:49:10.380 CJ Cole: Can we take all of that out and go forward with this version that's been approved without any of those. 439 00:49:10.890 --> 00:49:17.130 Oliver Fries: yeah you just you just you just have a clean version and then you won't have any other it'll just be a nice word Doc. 440 00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:18.120 Oliver Fries: or PDF. 441 00:49:18.960 --> 00:49:22.290 Oliver Fries: version yeah that's easy what we can make that happen. 442 00:49:23.910 --> 00:49:24.630 Oliver Fries: So. 443 00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:40.860 George Francisco: Oliver clear clear things up, are you talking about approving a document that has only changed what i'm what that that was liz's that's only changed, essentially in grammar font type face and punctuation. 444 00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:42.030 Oliver Fries: That is correct and. 445 00:49:42.390 --> 00:49:44.400 George Francisco: Do not, we do not have to approve that. 446 00:49:44.910 --> 00:49:51.270 Oliver Fries: Okay, it also has the to approve motions by the board included in there and listed that so. 447 00:49:51.270 --> 00:49:53.640 George Francisco: yeah if they were approved by the board they're part of the. 448 00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:58.080 George Francisco: Third party heroes a we don't need to read approve all that stuff. 449 00:49:58.650 --> 00:50:01.350 Oliver Fries: So we don't even need to take that to the board, I can just have a clean. 450 00:50:01.350 --> 00:50:02.940 George Francisco: Data you could just post that. 451 00:50:03.060 --> 00:50:04.260 Oliver Fries: Okay i'm going to be posted those. 452 00:50:04.260 --> 00:50:05.490 George Francisco: Are the standing rules. 453 00:50:05.700 --> 00:50:06.750 Oliver Fries: Okay perfect thanks. 454 00:50:06.750 --> 00:50:07.860 james murez: So George. 455 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:10.230 james murez: Just. 456 00:50:11.430 --> 00:50:17.970 james murez: George just so I understand we're we're not when you say that the grammar was corrected. 457 00:50:19.890 --> 00:50:25.920 james murez: It did not change the meaning or the context of the item. 458 00:50:26.190 --> 00:50:26.580 james murez: You know. 459 00:50:26.820 --> 00:50:28.140 james murez: cleaned up the grammar. 460 00:50:28.200 --> 00:50:32.820 George Francisco: Correct yeah things like things like it should have been our. 461 00:50:33.510 --> 00:50:44.820 George Francisco: And it was his writings that had an extra period, not on things were there were capitals, of course, the most offensive, something that had like a sub Roman numeral and then nothing. 462 00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:48.420 George Francisco: Beyond beyond it, and when the financing, so these were all. 463 00:50:48.870 --> 00:51:03.000 George Francisco: What I what I broadly calls, you know, administrative or secretarial changes, none of the substance from my reading and, from my discussions with Liz and from our times, when we were together going through them point by point, we sat in the at the. 464 00:51:04.680 --> 00:51:09.150 George Francisco: The the neighborhood committee room there at the at the storage space. 465 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:11.700 George Francisco: And we went over them so so. 466 00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:27.390 George Francisco: Those are blushes you know we can agree to disagree and calm administrative changes, none of the substance change, so it isn't as if the intent or the substance of a standard rule change that could be lead to a determination that was not what it was intended to be. 467 00:51:27.570 --> 00:51:30.000 james murez: Okay, good, I just want to make sure we're clear great. 468 00:51:30.060 --> 00:51:30.330 Oliver Fries: and 469 00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:32.040 George Francisco: that's what i'm that's what i'm asking because. 470 00:51:32.970 --> 00:51:36.750 james murez: That makes perfect sense yeah I Ivan still has his hand up I don't know. 471 00:51:37.770 --> 00:51:40.260 Oliver Fries: notice that are not being shy about that. 472 00:51:40.290 --> 00:51:42.150 Ivan: yeah you're not be able to talk. 473 00:51:43.650 --> 00:51:44.490 Oliver Fries: To the patients. 474 00:51:45.540 --> 00:51:46.440 james murez: yeah talk. 475 00:51:47.070 --> 00:51:48.420 Ivan: Alright folks so look. 476 00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:49.980 Ivan: i'm. 477 00:51:52.020 --> 00:51:56.070 Ivan: i'm gonna throw something in here i've mentioned this before. 478 00:51:58.950 --> 00:52:00.630 Ivan: we're up against the deadline. 479 00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:09.150 Ivan: The Standing rules have no deadline, I think we need to put that on the back burner now. 480 00:52:10.320 --> 00:52:12.750 Ivan: We need to go through the bylaws. 481 00:52:14.250 --> 00:52:18.810 Ivan: Because, let me tell you what's going to happen, and this is from my experience doing this. 482 00:52:20.010 --> 00:52:26.340 Ivan: in Venice for many years, and I also helped write bylaws for 25 neighborhood Council. 483 00:52:28.230 --> 00:52:33.900 Ivan: If you saying that we're going to send something up to the board net going to go oh OK. 484 00:52:35.190 --> 00:52:36.270 Ivan: It ain't gonna happen. 485 00:52:38.610 --> 00:52:43.530 Ivan: First of all, you need a two thirds vote of the board to pass and a bylaws commandments. 486 00:52:45.390 --> 00:52:57.720 Ivan: were traditionally happens is the Board has problems with several items and then they have to come back to committee, the board can't make these changes, without going back to committee. 487 00:52:59.190 --> 00:52:59.670 night. 488 00:53:01.830 --> 00:53:07.650 Ivan: Look at our timeline April 1 is the date, we have to have an invite. 489 00:53:09.240 --> 00:53:16.140 Ivan: you're going to wait till march to bring this before the Board and the board send stuff back now we're all you. 490 00:53:18.870 --> 00:53:28.350 Ivan: You have to have a special board meeting after that to approve any changes that might come back from the committee committee has to meet and fix the stuff. 491 00:53:29.730 --> 00:53:39.150 Ivan: And I can almost guarantees are going to be items that people will get to bring up at the board meeting that aren't on our agenda. 492 00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:52.440 Ivan: They they aren't in front of us there's going to be stuff that's going to come out of the blue, all right, I in fact I just came up with one this morning himself nice thing apparently. 493 00:53:53.460 --> 00:53:57.900 Ivan: A stakeholder is having problems with the fact that. 494 00:53:59.040 --> 00:54:08.580 Ivan: committee chairs can't change the Members who the committee during a committee meeting, it has to be done before. 495 00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:22.920 Ivan: And the stakeholders is challenging this I guess your match my opinion, I gave him my opinion, but that should actually go into the bylaws now and it's not something I never saw coming. 496 00:54:24.090 --> 00:54:28.320 Ivan: But we should fix that now you're also going to be dealing with for the next two years. 497 00:54:29.550 --> 00:54:40.500 Ivan: Lucy night last night spent a couple of hours going through the bylaws we came up with a number of things that need to be fixed, some of them are. 498 00:54:42.060 --> 00:54:49.650 Ivan: Georgian saying secretarial and and we caught one done change some of the items they didn't change the grammar. 499 00:54:51.150 --> 00:54:55.980 Ivan: To those things that that can all be done quickly, but those need to be addressed. 500 00:54:57.090 --> 00:55:00.780 Ivan: And there's one other big elephant in the room for me here. 501 00:55:01.830 --> 00:55:03.510 Ivan: which we had talked about. 502 00:55:05.970 --> 00:55:12.180 Ivan: We talked about removing the word impartial from this grip from to the parliamentarian. 503 00:55:13.410 --> 00:55:16.350 Ivan: And everybody agree that's probably the best thing to do. 504 00:55:17.460 --> 00:55:21.090 Ivan: But we're not on the bylaws yet so I didn't bring it in slow motion. 505 00:55:22.290 --> 00:55:27.270 Ivan: I think we need to put the standing rules aside focus on the bylaws. 506 00:55:28.380 --> 00:55:31.650 Ivan: and try to get through this as quickly as possible because. 507 00:55:32.850 --> 00:55:44.820 Ivan: It ain't gonna make it onto the February meeting of the Board so Jim unless you want to start having weekly board meeting to deal with this stuff I don't know how we're going to change anything. 508 00:55:45.120 --> 00:55:49.860 james murez: Okay, so I even, let me just interrupt you because you're going on, and I think I agree with you. 509 00:55:50.430 --> 00:55:51.150 Ivan: On for. 510 00:55:51.450 --> 00:55:52.170 Ivan: Half an hour. 511 00:55:52.500 --> 00:56:01.290 james murez: The timing, the timing is an issue, and I think that we have to address that I also want to say that it's much easier to get this committee together very quickly because there's. 512 00:56:01.650 --> 00:56:13.020 james murez: Far fewer people that have to participate, and we still have because of this new agenda tool that i've created that allows us to add items to the Boards agenda. 513 00:56:13.410 --> 00:56:23.040 james murez: Up until five o'clock of the day of outcome we do not have to put them up 72 hours in advance on the Ad common agenda, we can put them on. 514 00:56:23.520 --> 00:56:40.740 james murez: To the Boards agenda at ad club, and all we need is an extra hour before add come meets so we could theoretically have another meeting still before outcome for this committee and we could address these bylaws things if we don't burn everybody out today. 515 00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:42.450 Oliver Fries: yeah listen. 516 00:56:42.900 --> 00:56:47.220 Ivan: yeah but but Jim you know what just being caught your tool will do it. 517 00:56:47.550 --> 00:56:59.490 Ivan: yep it doesn't mean that you can ignore the 72 hour posting you have to let the public know 72 hours in advance what's going to be on the agenda. 518 00:56:59.790 --> 00:57:06.510 james murez: that's right but it's what has to be on the agenda for agca not what has to be on the agenda for the board. 519 00:57:07.020 --> 00:57:16.080 Ivan: All of it, because you approve the board agenda that i'd come and the public cancer right to see that, and you know comment on it. 520 00:57:17.370 --> 00:57:18.090 Ivan: And they get can. 521 00:57:18.690 --> 00:57:21.240 james murez: get to do that at the meeting that's. 522 00:57:22.830 --> 00:57:23.820 Ivan: like to look at it. 523 00:57:25.440 --> 00:57:28.890 Ivan: You can't bring it up at the board meeting and say, well, who were. 524 00:57:30.330 --> 00:57:34.800 james murez: Born i've been we're not bringing it up at the board meeting we're bringing it up and add come. 525 00:57:35.190 --> 00:57:38.790 Ivan: The purpose of wow before there's any. 526 00:57:39.420 --> 00:57:45.570 james murez: Ivan the purpose of an outcome is to create the board agenda right that's right. 527 00:57:46.620 --> 00:57:47.040 Ivan: Okay. 528 00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:50.970 james murez: We can add things and take things off of what had been proposed. 529 00:57:51.660 --> 00:57:59.190 Ivan: Yes, there's one propose, yes, you can change it, I would you can't just add things in. 530 00:57:59.490 --> 00:58:03.480 james murez: When you've said before you can I know you used to do with Ivan all the. 531 00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:04.920 james murez: Time all the time. 532 00:58:05.490 --> 00:58:07.470 Ivan: Talking about the IRA IRA would do it, it. 533 00:58:07.980 --> 00:58:09.870 Ivan: came up after the agenda was. 534 00:58:09.870 --> 00:58:15.240 Oliver Fries: posted don't have that much more time here let's just let's it to me if. 535 00:58:15.270 --> 00:58:16.650 james murez: We can take this offline. 536 00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:17.130 Oliver Fries: yeah. 537 00:58:17.160 --> 00:58:18.900 Oliver Fries: Take this offline no. 538 00:58:19.290 --> 00:58:24.210 Ivan: All right, so overlooked, let me just try to get some focus here um. 539 00:58:24.840 --> 00:58:25.080 Oliver Fries: well. 540 00:58:25.110 --> 00:58:27.060 Ivan: Can I just say something to make a motion. 541 00:58:28.050 --> 00:58:34.800 Ivan: Okay i'm gonna make a motion that we focus on between now and the deadline we focus on the bylaws. 542 00:58:36.090 --> 00:58:38.910 Oliver Fries: Okay, wait, can I just say something, because to me. 543 00:58:39.240 --> 00:58:49.710 Oliver Fries: yeah like the most important thing is to make sure that we are bylaws our bylaws are within dunn's regulations, so I think the taskbar should do that first let's make sure. 544 00:58:49.710 --> 00:58:50.220 Ivan: Then right. 545 00:58:50.610 --> 00:58:58.800 Oliver Fries: matches if you have any bylaws revisions, please present them to me because I put everything that I get presented i've been putting on these meetings. 546 00:58:58.800 --> 00:58:59.220 Oliver Fries: Okay. 547 00:58:59.610 --> 00:58:59.910 Ivan: Well we've. 548 00:58:59.940 --> 00:59:02.820 Ivan: got to be focused on that is the problem. 549 00:59:03.330 --> 00:59:04.470 Oliver Fries: that's fine I just. 550 00:59:05.610 --> 00:59:09.990 Ivan: Rules the whole other animal that can be fixed later easily. 551 00:59:10.380 --> 00:59:13.770 Oliver Fries: If you ask me, the bylaws look fine I don't know them so. 552 00:59:13.950 --> 00:59:16.890 Ivan: Well i'll go through them with your show you with a problem. 553 00:59:17.430 --> 00:59:17.640 By. 554 00:59:20.190 --> 00:59:31.920 Ivan: Another peaceful desk, which is that there are items because of the moratorium when we weren't allowed to change the bylaws during those time. 555 00:59:32.550 --> 00:59:46.830 Ivan: To what we did is we put them in and standing rule with intention of as soon as the moratorium was over, moving them into the bios and there were still a number of those things there that need to be fixed. 556 00:59:47.520 --> 00:59:48.660 CJ Cole: Times not over. 557 00:59:49.470 --> 00:59:49.830 Ivan: What. 558 00:59:50.280 --> 00:59:51.720 CJ Cole: The more time is no. 559 00:59:51.720 --> 00:59:55.920 Ivan: No, but we have to have it done and through the board. 560 00:59:57.540 --> 00:59:58.770 Ivan: before April first. 561 00:59:59.820 --> 01:00:00.330 Oliver Fries: Okay. 562 01:00:00.780 --> 01:00:02.130 Ivan: to less than two months here. 563 01:00:03.180 --> 01:00:14.700 james murez: Okay well let's let's do it all over said Ivan if you have these if you have these issues that have to be done document them one, at a time, so he can put each one onto the agenda as a separate item. 564 01:00:15.150 --> 01:00:20.520 james murez: and incorporate them one, at a time, with the committee participating and saying yes or no. 565 01:00:20.670 --> 01:00:21.750 james murez: let's get on. 566 01:00:21.990 --> 01:00:23.430 Oliver Fries: let's talk about everything I. 567 01:00:23.430 --> 01:00:25.380 Oliver Fries: Just know where to go with the Bible. 568 01:00:26.820 --> 01:00:29.550 CJ Cole: I haven't made a motion that I second. 569 01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:32.790 CJ Cole: Okay, and then we got off subject. 570 01:00:32.940 --> 01:00:34.860 CJ Cole: we're discussing yeah. 571 01:00:35.250 --> 01:00:48.120 George Francisco: All right, well, first of all Ivan, what do you make an emotion about because you literally just good just gave Jim a primer on how you can't make motions of things that aren't on the agenda, and then you came up with emotion okay i'm not even getting the substance of it, I. 572 01:00:48.870 --> 01:00:50.490 Ivan: don't know i'm upsetting to me I. 573 01:00:51.570 --> 01:00:58.080 George Francisco: don't need a motion that we approve that the board approves it says go work on the bylaws That is ridiculous. 574 01:00:58.230 --> 01:00:58.650 And, of course. 575 01:01:00.930 --> 01:01:01.080 Ivan: The. 576 01:01:01.110 --> 01:01:01.950 Ivan: focus. 577 01:01:02.010 --> 01:01:06.090 George Francisco: On the bio on and it's ridiculous fine we'll focus on the bylaws. 578 01:01:06.180 --> 01:01:06.930 George Francisco: What is that if. 579 01:01:07.140 --> 01:01:12.090 George Francisco: You make that motion, and for it to go to the board for the board to say yes, the committee. 580 01:01:17.430 --> 01:01:24.600 George Francisco: you're wasting my time the same you're wasting my time we will focus on the bylaws everybody is have a mind to focus on the bylaws. 581 01:01:24.990 --> 01:01:26.250 Ivan: yeah, why do we. 582 01:01:27.720 --> 01:01:29.220 George Francisco: articulate reason why we shouldn't. 583 01:01:30.330 --> 01:01:31.680 Oliver Fries: So good thanks guys so. 584 01:01:32.670 --> 01:01:34.890 CJ Cole: I may go withdraw my second on that. 585 01:01:35.160 --> 01:01:37.770 CJ Cole: I have to make a motion that we as a committee. 586 01:01:38.010 --> 01:01:49.350 CJ Cole: Except liz's i'm i'm version, so that we can go forward wipe all of it off, so that we have a brand new. 587 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.850 CJ Cole: Clean version to start moving engineer, you can play. 588 01:01:54.600 --> 01:01:55.050 again. 589 01:01:56.820 --> 01:02:13.980 George Francisco: Nobody should that's done cj we don't have to make a motion that the board goes and approves it's done it's done by fee on you've got your clean thing that you can then say it's terrible it's okay it's done you don't need to make a motion you don't it's done and we just talked about. 590 01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:15.060 Oliver Fries: Oh yeah we can just. 591 01:02:16.260 --> 01:02:17.910 George Francisco: We can just post the version it's done. 592 01:02:18.210 --> 01:02:23.490 Oliver Fries: I think the first again the first, what we need to do we have a task force meeting, Tuesday, at. 593 01:02:24.210 --> 01:02:32.100 Oliver Fries: 330 and I think that meeting should just be about making sure we're conforming to dunn's template that's number one number one importance. 594 01:02:32.520 --> 01:02:41.340 Oliver Fries: If Dr it has anything present if anybody has anything to present regarding the bylaws and changes, then we need to put them on the agenda, so that we can discuss them. 595 01:02:41.940 --> 01:02:48.780 Oliver Fries: I don't know of any right now, so I don't I there's nothing I again they look fine to me so if any of you guys, who have seen these. 596 01:02:49.170 --> 01:02:53.220 Oliver Fries: For years and years and years, you need to let me know and we need to talk about it. 597 01:02:53.670 --> 01:03:07.590 Oliver Fries: And then we'll put that on the next meeting, but again Task Force meeting on Tuesday should just be let's make sure that the bylaws conform with done we're clear there and then any changes to the bylaws let's get on the next agenda and we can meet whenever. 598 01:03:08.160 --> 01:03:08.910 Elizabeth Wright: Task Force. 599 01:03:11.640 --> 01:03:13.470 Elizabeth Wright: is standing rules Task Force. 600 01:03:14.640 --> 01:03:15.240 Oliver Fries: Sorry, what. 601 01:03:15.450 --> 01:03:20.010 Elizabeth Wright: Unless unless you, you have to appoint a bylaws Task Force. 602 01:03:20.220 --> 01:03:26.250 Oliver Fries: Okay, I will is does any of the volunteer for the bylaws Task Force here. 603 01:03:26.880 --> 01:03:27.750 Ivan: Yes, hi well. 604 01:03:28.260 --> 01:03:29.370 Oliver Fries: Okay i've got Ivan. 605 01:03:29.400 --> 01:03:31.260 Oliver Fries: I will okay Liz. 606 01:03:32.790 --> 01:03:42.480 Oliver Fries: Okay cj to Okay, so our first our first task is to just make sure it conforms with done that way they can't mess with our bylaws. 607 01:03:43.020 --> 01:03:55.770 Oliver Fries: And then we'll continue to change as motions come up but we don't really have anything on the agenda that is a motion to change the bylaws right now, so I don't know if there's anything else to really discuss. 608 01:03:56.040 --> 01:04:09.510 Elizabeth Wright: Okay, I would, I would like clarification several times, George has indicated that any motion passed by the This committee must in turn go to the board Is that correct do I understand correctly, George. 609 01:04:09.600 --> 01:04:14.040 George Francisco: yeah that is correct, actually want to say it's I want to say and there's actually. 610 01:04:14.910 --> 01:04:27.210 George Francisco: there's language, I want to say it's in the standard rules, but it could be in the bylaws it says they have to go to work and it's actually sort of miss written that's one of those things that shouldn't that needs a language tweak that we can't just do grammatically. 611 01:04:28.320 --> 01:04:28.560 Right. 612 01:04:29.640 --> 01:04:40.770 Ivan: I think was confused here any any changes to the standard rules or bylaws that this committee proposes needs to go to the board. 613 01:04:41.520 --> 01:04:54.270 Ivan: And there were different processes, but they both need to be approved by the board when we're talking about internal things like what should we take in what order that doesn't mean board approval that's a committee procedure. 614 01:04:54.690 --> 01:04:57.090 George Francisco: And it's not a motion and you made a motion and you gotta. 615 01:04:57.270 --> 01:04:57.750 Ivan: Do is. 616 01:04:57.780 --> 01:04:59.400 james murez: Just well you agree i'm. 617 01:04:59.520 --> 01:05:00.000 Ivan: Trying to. 618 01:05:01.470 --> 01:05:05.220 Ivan: George i'm trying to get some focus here. 619 01:05:06.660 --> 01:05:07.800 Oliver Fries: Okay let's figure out. 620 01:05:08.100 --> 01:05:17.250 George Francisco: You know I don't know what I think we're doing just fine with with people bliss has done a lot of work with this you jumped in you've got your own things to do and there's one person that doesn't like. 621 01:05:17.730 --> 01:05:30.720 George Francisco: Okay jim's been doing a good job mediated and oliver's look is isn't is trying to keep thinking we're not all over the place, we were any rules than the bylaws and now we're going to do the bylaws which is fine, because you want to know what we did what we set out to do. 622 01:05:30.720 --> 01:05:31.170 Ivan: It okay. 623 01:05:33.570 --> 01:05:34.770 CJ Cole: I don't want to miss the. 624 01:05:34.950 --> 01:05:36.450 CJ Cole: deadline on this. 625 01:05:36.660 --> 01:05:37.770 Oliver Fries: they're clean and. 626 01:05:38.280 --> 01:05:39.510 CJ Cole: We can go forward with. 627 01:05:40.020 --> 01:05:41.010 Oliver Fries: me but also. 628 01:05:41.250 --> 01:05:44.730 CJ Cole: have to continue to carry forward all those changes. 629 01:05:44.970 --> 01:05:56.160 Oliver Fries: Listen, as long as it's conforms with guns rick dunn's guidelines Liz and I discussed it the task force, we can look, can you explain that again lives we can slip in the bylaws the bylaws after. 630 01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:57.810 Oliver Fries: After the. 631 01:05:57.990 --> 01:06:01.380 Oliver Fries: time when we can't change them correct, can you explain how that works. 632 01:06:03.150 --> 01:06:03.810 Elizabeth Wright: cheers me. 633 01:06:04.200 --> 01:06:19.530 Oliver Fries: You told me that we could not slip in, but we can as as done takes the bylaws and they're doing their review we can still change our bylaws and then, when that time period is over, we can the bylaws can still be revised, what. 634 01:06:19.920 --> 01:06:26.370 james murez: I think I think I get Ivan hold on I think I understand what what you're misinterpreting privileges because listen, I had the. 635 01:06:26.370 --> 01:06:28.470 Oliver Fries: conversation sorry yeah can you explain that. 636 01:06:28.530 --> 01:06:43.770 james murez: yeah so every bylaws change cycle, you have a deadline after the deadline occurs you're submitting your copy of your current bylaws to done for approval. 637 01:06:44.100 --> 01:06:52.890 james murez: But that doesn't necessarily stop you from being able to work on them because there's going to be another deadline in six months or a year from now. 638 01:06:53.790 --> 01:06:58.680 james murez: And so, if we wanted to continue to make changes to clean things up. 639 01:06:59.250 --> 01:07:13.140 james murez: you're going to be an office for two years or a year and a half from now because you've been in office for six months, you will probably get at least one maybe two more times that bylaws can still be fixed and I think that that's what she's. 640 01:07:13.140 --> 01:07:14.520 Ivan: From no you're. 641 01:07:15.510 --> 01:07:20.370 Ivan: Not right, you can fix them internally done want to prove them. 642 01:07:20.550 --> 01:07:23.130 Ivan: Correct until after the next election. 643 01:07:23.460 --> 01:07:25.800 james murez: that's the same thing oh until the next election. 644 01:07:26.130 --> 01:07:35.190 Ivan: After the next election that's why we have a moratorium to people can change their rules, once the election process has been done. 645 01:07:35.970 --> 01:07:36.780 Oliver Fries: got it okay. 646 01:07:37.410 --> 01:07:39.900 Ivan: Okay that's what the moratorium is about. 647 01:07:40.200 --> 01:07:41.880 Oliver Fries: Okay Okay, thank you. 648 01:07:41.910 --> 01:07:43.200 james murez: So I said. 649 01:07:43.290 --> 01:07:49.890 Ivan: Why is really important, and reason I found some things to us tonight about the elections, but we want, we think should we change. 650 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:51.120 Ivan: Okay right. 651 01:07:53.850 --> 01:07:54.150 Ivan: Be. 652 01:07:54.480 --> 01:07:55.140 Oliver Fries: Ivan Ivan. 653 01:07:55.200 --> 01:07:57.240 james murez: Ivan Scott, please let's not. 654 01:07:57.300 --> 01:08:01.860 james murez: get into that detail let's let Oliver collect up the detail from you. 655 01:08:02.220 --> 01:08:15.030 james murez: yeah yeah details submitted to all over each item make it a separate point send it off to him, let him see it let him figure out how the task force is going to work on this stuff. 656 01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:22.050 james murez: he's going to plan a task force for next week, he will go through them item by item, starting with the done items okay. 657 01:08:22.890 --> 01:08:23.820 Ivan: And we will get to as. 658 01:08:23.850 --> 01:08:27.600 james murez: Many of them as we possibly can, if we need to meet every single week. 659 01:08:27.600 --> 01:08:29.130 james murez: twice a week, we will do that. 660 01:08:29.430 --> 01:08:29.850 Yes. 661 01:08:31.620 --> 01:08:43.230 james murez: Everything But we have to do it in an organized fashion, and we have to stop going around and around in circles about this item and that item and all these other things let's just get this stuff organized and push it through. 662 01:08:43.260 --> 01:08:44.400 Ivan: Okay, I agree. 663 01:08:44.550 --> 01:08:47.040 Ivan: Okay i'm also going to talk to. 664 01:08:47.040 --> 01:08:49.920 Ivan: Freddie and find out how. 665 01:08:52.950 --> 01:08:57.390 Ivan: Is that going to enforce that template or if those who just recommendation. 666 01:08:57.780 --> 01:08:58.470 Oliver Fries: would be great. 667 01:08:59.070 --> 01:08:59.460 Ivan: Okay. 668 01:09:00.390 --> 01:09:01.260 Ivan: You know what Jim. 669 01:09:01.560 --> 01:09:02.970 Ivan: What I wrote that for them. 670 01:09:03.720 --> 01:09:05.910 Oliver Fries: Okay, let us know about that because. 671 01:09:06.150 --> 01:09:07.980 Ivan: We had a done Task Force. 672 01:09:08.100 --> 01:09:08.580 Okay. 673 01:09:12.570 --> 01:09:16.230 james murez: We got it I think that's great that you want to reach out to Freddie and asked him if. 674 01:09:16.350 --> 01:09:21.330 Oliver Fries: templates require Ivan because, as soon as you do that, and please let please do that. 675 01:09:22.110 --> 01:09:22.680 Ivan: For Monday. 676 01:09:23.370 --> 01:09:30.900 Oliver Fries: So yeah, but please do that before the task force meeting because, as soon as we're done with that we can focus on the violence that you want to change, but this is the first thing we need to work on. 677 01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:36.450 Oliver Fries: I don't think there's anything else really to talk about today, unless anybody has the last minute. 678 01:09:37.050 --> 01:09:50.820 Oliver Fries: something to say we're going to work on conform with dunn's guidelines at tuesday's Task Force meeting any changes in the bylaws please, please present we'll have them on the agenda for the next meeting does anybody have anything else to say last minute. 679 01:09:51.210 --> 01:09:52.290 james murez: I think they'll have. 680 01:09:53.520 --> 01:09:54.090 Oliver Fries: Oh yeah. 681 01:09:54.540 --> 01:09:55.890 CJ Cole: I don't disagree. 682 01:09:56.130 --> 01:09:56.340 CJ Cole: and 683 01:09:56.640 --> 01:09:58.830 james murez: you're handed daffodil are you there. 684 01:09:59.550 --> 01:10:02.610 Daff: i'm here my hand was up earlier, so I could be led him to be a panelist. 685 01:10:02.970 --> 01:10:04.110 Daff: i've just been enjoying the show. 686 01:10:04.470 --> 01:10:07.950 Oliver Fries: Okay welcome welcome cj sorry, you said something. 687 01:10:08.280 --> 01:10:16.230 CJ Cole: i'm just saying that i'm not yeah I agree with what we decided on today, and so don't call me an adversary. 688 01:10:17.550 --> 01:10:21.060 CJ Cole: yeah because we haven't done anything yet with my loss so. 689 01:10:22.410 --> 01:10:30.330 Oliver Fries: All the next task force meeting is Tuesday at 330 again does anybody else have anything. 690 01:10:30.870 --> 01:10:31.530 Elizabeth Wright: Oh yes. 691 01:10:32.130 --> 01:10:34.140 Elizabeth Wright: Of course meetings don't go on the calendar. 692 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:36.060 Oliver Fries: Okay i'll put those on. 693 01:10:36.420 --> 01:10:37.500 Elizabeth Wright: No, they do not go. 694 01:10:40.080 --> 01:10:41.160 Ivan: I never put them on they don't. 695 01:10:42.540 --> 01:10:43.530 Ivan: Go on the calendar. 696 01:10:43.710 --> 01:10:46.020 Oliver Fries: I never put them on the calendar, I thought you said they do so. 697 01:10:49.050 --> 01:10:49.860 Oliver Fries: Sorry, excuse me. 698 01:10:50.280 --> 01:10:52.410 CJ Cole: Rich yeah for it meeting. 699 01:10:53.130 --> 01:10:57.660 Oliver Fries: The bylaws task force so that's you was an Ivan. 700 01:10:58.590 --> 01:11:01.560 james murez: Oliver will you be able to post the the. 701 01:11:02.700 --> 01:11:05.400 james murez: Clean copy of the Standing rules. 702 01:11:05.670 --> 01:11:07.590 Oliver Fries: So no problem I did that. 703 01:11:07.620 --> 01:11:10.200 james murez: And then you know you know how to do that, or I can help you if you want. 704 01:11:10.320 --> 01:11:11.730 Oliver Fries: I already have a clean copy and. 705 01:11:12.240 --> 01:11:15.600 james murez: i'm talking about you know how to post them on the on the website yes. 706 01:11:15.660 --> 01:11:17.850 Oliver Fries: I do okay great the next. 707 01:11:19.110 --> 01:11:19.440 Oliver Fries: Time. 708 01:11:19.470 --> 01:11:34.230 Ivan: For those of us that are on that the baby rules Task Force, you did a great job I don't want you to think that i'm ignoring what you're doing i'm just asking if we can get the bylaws on first that's all we'll come back to it. 709 01:11:34.800 --> 01:11:41.760 Oliver Fries: Thanks Simon okay so for 12 meetings adjourn feel free to reach out to me guys on my phone number. 710 01:11:42.990 --> 01:11:46.110 Oliver Fries: email, and I will see you guys at the next meeting, thank you. 711 01:11:46.560 --> 01:11:49.320 james murez: Oliver you have to end the meeting because you're no host. 712 01:11:49.830 --> 01:11:51.780 Oliver Fries: I am, and in the meeting now, thank you.