WEBVTT 1 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:29.340 james murez: not letting you let me let you in. 2 00:02:31.650 --> 00:02:32.130 james murez: There you go. 3 00:02:34.020 --> 00:02:37.380 Alix: It just asks for me to join as a panelist so. 4 00:02:38.550 --> 00:02:39.840 james murez: yeah you had to respond. 5 00:02:40.560 --> 00:02:42.600 Alix: yeah but it takes time for that to happen. 6 00:02:42.990 --> 00:02:43.410 Oh. 7 00:02:45.450 --> 00:02:46.170 Alix: You know what I mean. 8 00:02:46.860 --> 00:02:48.030 james murez: yeah I guess. 9 00:02:52.110 --> 00:02:53.520 Alix: Like there's always a delay on it. 10 00:02:54.150 --> 00:02:59.820 james murez: I wonder what happens if you share your zoom window, I wonder if it's like one of those infinity mirrors. 11 00:03:00.120 --> 00:03:00.720 Alix: What do you mean. 12 00:03:03.150 --> 00:03:03.720 Alix: I learned. 13 00:03:04.170 --> 00:03:04.830 james murez: i'm just being. 14 00:03:12.990 --> 00:03:13.560 james murez: hi lauren. 15 00:03:14.250 --> 00:03:14.790 hi Jim. 16 00:03:16.020 --> 00:03:23.580 lauren siegel: So leaks, can you put the link to the back around information on the course somewhere. 17 00:03:23.700 --> 00:03:28.890 Alix: Oh, so you want you want me to do that and we share screen, or do you want i'm Christian. 18 00:03:31.320 --> 00:03:35.250 lauren siegel: I think he's going to hands full with coordinating with the students, so if you. 19 00:03:35.250 --> 00:03:42.810 lauren siegel: can divide a link so then we did ahead of time that's all that I want is for people to have a background of what the work was that they were they were doing. 20 00:03:44.220 --> 00:03:58.650 Alix: um yeah the problem morn is just so you understand that if I don't have that with advanced notice I can't post that like I need to I can post, the document as we're doing the meeting, and I can post, the link on the. 21 00:03:59.370 --> 00:04:11.820 Alix: How do you call it on the Minutes, when I do this so people can like go in and look at it, but once like our agendas posted which I did on Sunday or Monday I can't add new things to it. 22 00:04:12.810 --> 00:04:21.240 lauren siegel: yeah I didn't realize, you were posting them minutes of the the agenda so early I wish I had known because I would have been happy to provide. 23 00:04:21.810 --> 00:04:28.320 lauren siegel: I just yeah like people you knew it without the background information and that's the important and interesting stuff. 24 00:04:28.530 --> 00:04:34.890 Alix: yeah so just so you know, I have to post these meetings have to be noticed at least 72 hours in advance. 25 00:04:37.500 --> 00:04:39.420 james murez: So i'm demonstrating a. 26 00:04:39.960 --> 00:04:43.140 james murez: clock that i've created that's online, you can use it, if you want. 27 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:46.980 james murez: You can stop the clock, you can add minutes to the clock, if I seconds to the. 28 00:04:46.980 --> 00:04:52.980 james murez: clock want when you get to the warning time so I run the clock, all the way down to where. 29 00:04:54.600 --> 00:05:02.910 james murez: It gets close to the 10 second mark once it's at the 10 second market changes the color of the screen and if you turn on the sound it actually. 30 00:05:03.960 --> 00:05:05.250 james murez: makes noise at the. 31 00:05:06.570 --> 00:05:08.370 james murez: So if you want to use it you're more than welcome. 32 00:05:08.370 --> 00:05:09.450 Alix: How do I use this. 33 00:05:10.110 --> 00:05:12.480 james murez: You can just go to that website that's there. 34 00:05:14.130 --> 00:05:14.940 Alix: Which website. 35 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.050 james murez: So. 36 00:05:19.470 --> 00:05:20.010 lauren siegel: it's all just. 37 00:05:20.880 --> 00:05:27.090 lauren siegel: leaks, I just wanted to make sure that you recognize that Esther is going to be involved with the presentation. 38 00:05:28.620 --> 00:05:39.930 lauren siegel: And in addition they're going to need to share screens with their students, so the students can share their work so as long as you're on top of it and allowing kristoff and Esther to do that, that would be great. 39 00:05:40.050 --> 00:05:43.290 Alix: I don't know Jim how many people can share screens at once. 40 00:05:44.760 --> 00:05:46.290 james murez: You can only have. 41 00:05:46.320 --> 00:05:47.820 Alix: one person, one person. 42 00:05:47.940 --> 00:06:01.980 james murez: Over the sharing of the screen, but you can have multiple people have access, and right now everyone that's a panelist access to share screens and to. 43 00:06:03.690 --> 00:06:06.330 james murez: what's it called terminate sharing. 44 00:06:06.510 --> 00:06:08.700 james murez: yeah screens I don't see what we have. 45 00:06:09.540 --> 00:06:12.000 Alix: To wait where's the timer. 46 00:06:12.270 --> 00:06:14.400 james murez: I was gonna stick it in the chat but I don't. 47 00:06:14.400 --> 00:06:14.550 See. 48 00:06:15.570 --> 00:06:21.750 Alix: That because you can't have a chat in a public meeting, because then the public could actually like get into the chat. 49 00:06:22.560 --> 00:06:24.450 james murez: Okay, so that's why we don't have it. 50 00:06:25.260 --> 00:06:35.280 lauren siegel: Okay, and so, at least if you want to share this I mean promote both Christoph Esther and their students, so that they can share screen. 51 00:06:35.490 --> 00:06:44.820 Alix: that's why I always so everyone that's presenting always gets always gets promoted to panelists and they can share screens. 52 00:06:44.970 --> 00:06:51.870 james murez: So I just sent you an email with the clock in it and actually if you remove the part that says count count count down, I believe. 53 00:06:52.200 --> 00:07:03.300 james murez: that's all of the new tools that i've made the building agendas, which will include being able to do things like automatically import everything that the cnc report outputs into an agenda. 54 00:07:03.810 --> 00:07:04.710 james murez: Well we're about. 55 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:07.110 Alix: Meeting offline gem. 56 00:07:07.140 --> 00:07:10.350 james murez: area, but the clock is there and you're more than welcome to use. 57 00:07:10.380 --> 00:07:11.550 james murez: You can send them directly. 58 00:07:12.150 --> 00:07:15.840 Alix: So what do I do I hit that link i'm waiting for your email to come through to me. 59 00:07:16.110 --> 00:07:17.730 james murez: Oh i'm. 60 00:07:19.200 --> 00:07:24.660 james murez: should already be there at see what account was this Oh, maybe not how did I do that. 61 00:07:27.030 --> 00:07:34.020 james murez: Oh yeah it's gonna take a while, let me do it differently sorry I sent it from the farmers market account, let me do this again. 62 00:07:37.230 --> 00:07:38.310 To get up close. 63 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:46.920 james murez: Look again. 64 00:07:54.270 --> 00:07:55.410 Alix: Okay, I found the clock. 65 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.720 james murez: Okay, so click on that link. 66 00:07:58.080 --> 00:08:11.070 james murez: Okay, and then up at the top on the clock itself, you can set how long you want the thing to count down before it times out and and the warning you can set that to be whatever you want the warning to be. 67 00:08:12.840 --> 00:08:21.600 james murez: And then you just put that on your share screen now if you have two different browsers on your laptop you could actually log in as two different people. 68 00:08:21.990 --> 00:08:30.660 james murez: And and promote your second person to be a SEC second person and you could share the second screen and still have yourself in the foreground if you wanted. 69 00:08:31.620 --> 00:08:34.440 Alix: um okay that's like a little over my grade let's see. 70 00:08:35.700 --> 00:08:36.450 Alix: Sorry, Jim. 71 00:08:36.780 --> 00:08:39.120 james murez: Thanks Chris i'm trying to help promote people. 72 00:08:39.180 --> 00:08:40.950 Alix: Well, Jim I can handle that. 73 00:08:41.340 --> 00:08:43.740 james murez: Well, you want to try the clock, while i'm still here before I leave. 74 00:08:46.680 --> 00:08:46.950 here. 75 00:08:51.810 --> 00:08:56.700 james murez: So if you just come up in your browser and then you just do a share screen of your browser. 76 00:08:58.320 --> 00:08:59.430 Alix: hold on a second chance. 77 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:16.050 james murez: There you go now if you hit reset it will go to one minute, and now you can use the plus or minus to increase or decrease time so everybody has focus you're giving him a minute and a half. 78 00:09:17.130 --> 00:09:20.400 james murez: And now, if you go down and hit reset it all started off with a minute and a half. 79 00:09:24.990 --> 00:09:32.730 james murez: And now, when you click start it starts counting down, and right now, you have a 10 second warning if you wanted to make it 15 or 20 you change the word. 80 00:09:32.790 --> 00:09:39.090 Alix: Is warned that if I want to go to my agenda i'm going to have to toggle back and forth on sharing. 81 00:09:39.300 --> 00:09:40.950 james murez: yeah but usually you know you're in. 82 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:46.530 james murez: Usually. 83 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.740 james murez: When you're in public comment you don't need to share your agenda any. 84 00:09:53.280 --> 00:09:53.670 Okay. 85 00:09:55.470 --> 00:09:56.070 Alix: perfect. 86 00:09:57.150 --> 00:10:03.360 lauren siegel: So at least you can see that the participants, the panelists are here, those are the ones that are. 87 00:10:03.420 --> 00:10:04.770 lauren siegel: gonna be doing the presentation. 88 00:10:07.350 --> 00:10:07.920 Alix: Correct. 89 00:10:11.490 --> 00:10:17.340 Alix: But we have to go through your protocol and everything else, before I promote everybody. 90 00:10:17.460 --> 00:10:18.840 lauren siegel: Absolutely just want to make sure you knew. 91 00:10:18.840 --> 00:10:19.830 Alix: The day I see that. 92 00:10:29.370 --> 00:10:34.440 Alix: All right, well, we have me lauren Barry Chris and matt. 93 00:10:35.490 --> 00:10:42.870 Alix: So we technically have five of us here but i'll wait a couple minutes more and. 94 00:10:44.100 --> 00:10:46.920 Alix: See who else is here or comes in, before I. 95 00:10:49.710 --> 00:10:50.580 Alix: Start starting a meeting. 96 00:11:14.670 --> 00:11:16.290 Alix: Why are you here for the holidays. 97 00:11:18.630 --> 00:11:28.110 lauren siegel: actually going on wow for a few days, but yes i'm here, I have some friends flying in from Paris staying here to be nice to you coming back. 98 00:11:28.650 --> 00:11:29.130 Alix: over here. 99 00:11:29.700 --> 00:11:33.000 Alix: Unfortunately, back in the States oh boy. 100 00:11:33.630 --> 00:11:35.010 lauren siegel: yeah you you got the rain. 101 00:11:36.030 --> 00:11:36.360 yeah. 102 00:11:43.650 --> 00:11:49.170 Alix: Not happy i'm gonna have to start like turn the TV off to sort of have peace of mind. 103 00:11:50.520 --> 00:11:54.540 Alix: Listening to it makes me want to scream and throw things at the TV. 104 00:12:00.270 --> 00:12:02.280 lauren siegel: it's all good information to know. 105 00:12:03.360 --> 00:12:08.730 Alix: i'm in the middle of read just started reading kennedy's book, which is fascinating. 106 00:12:50.790 --> 00:12:54.510 Alix: Alright we'll wait two or three more minutes and then we'll get started. 107 00:16:01.290 --> 00:16:09.210 Alix: Okay 709 we're going to get the meeting started um, this is a leaks, I am here we're doing roll call berry. 108 00:16:12.540 --> 00:16:13.050 Alix: berry. 109 00:16:14.460 --> 00:16:15.540 Alix: Think, I saw you there. 110 00:16:15.630 --> 00:16:16.470 barrycassilly: i'm here i'm here. 111 00:16:16.800 --> 00:16:17.370 Alix: Thank you. 112 00:16:18.270 --> 00:16:23.520 Alix: i'm Korean is not here i'm lauren your. 113 00:16:26.100 --> 00:16:27.030 Alix: mat Royce. 114 00:16:30.300 --> 00:16:31.530 Alix: and Chris colored. 115 00:16:32.760 --> 00:16:33.090 Chris Plourde: hair. 116 00:16:34.080 --> 00:16:35.520 Alix: and Andrew Mika. 117 00:16:37.320 --> 00:16:39.870 Alix: Know mchale. 118 00:16:41.160 --> 00:16:45.690 Alix: know and we're newish is a no as well to. 119 00:16:47.910 --> 00:16:53.760 Alix: i'm just someone want to make a motion to approve the Minutes for November 11 and December nights. 120 00:16:55.830 --> 00:16:57.180 barrycassilly: I make that motion i'm Barry. 121 00:16:57.900 --> 00:17:00.330 Alix: Thank you Barry Does anyone want a second it. 122 00:17:00.930 --> 00:17:02.340 lauren siegel: i'll second at this lauren. 123 00:17:02.670 --> 00:17:03.690 Alix: Thank you lauren. 124 00:17:05.460 --> 00:17:08.760 Alix: And does anyone have judged to the Minutes. 125 00:17:10.740 --> 00:17:11.880 barrycassilly: No, but kills not here. 126 00:17:17.430 --> 00:17:19.650 Matthew Royce: It is, I should have just abstained, since I wasn't there. 127 00:17:21.360 --> 00:17:22.710 Alix: matt you're abstaining. 128 00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:23.370 Matthew Royce: I don't have get. 129 00:17:25.620 --> 00:17:27.060 Alix: um anyone else. 130 00:17:28.440 --> 00:17:30.000 Chris Plourde: All abstain, I wasn't there. 131 00:17:31.080 --> 00:17:39.240 Alix: Chris is abstaining and i'm like yes, and so it carries because i'm assuming Barry and lauren are yeses on that. 132 00:17:41.880 --> 00:17:50.700 Alix: Yes, yes i'm moving right along anyone had any ex parte communications or conflicts of interest to declare. 133 00:17:55.110 --> 00:17:56.730 Alix: No, nobody. 134 00:17:59.250 --> 00:18:06.000 Alix: Great um on that note i'm moving it to public comment on non agenda items. 135 00:18:07.050 --> 00:18:12.270 Alix: So if there's anyone who has public comment on anything that's not on the agenda, please raise your hand. 136 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:30.030 Alix: No comments and with that I am closing public comments, and we are now having the presentation by the usc architecture students on upward led by Chris Johnson, and I think. 137 00:18:30.780 --> 00:18:39.960 Alix: i'm Esther is here as well, too, so whoever wants to come in, so they can share screens and everything else, could you raise your hands, I see Christopher i'm going to put you to a panelist. 138 00:18:42.660 --> 00:18:43.500 Alix: caitlin. 139 00:18:48.540 --> 00:18:49.680 Alix: Colin. 140 00:18:53.160 --> 00:18:54.090 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Can you guys hear me. 141 00:18:54.870 --> 00:19:01.590 Alix: We can i'm just letting some word I think your students need to come in to be an ester to be panelists so let me just do that. 142 00:19:10.260 --> 00:19:20.520 Alix: Okay, you think that's everybody i'm going to stop my share so Chris Chris staff and. 143 00:19:21.840 --> 00:19:28.890 Alix: I believe that you possibly want to start a share i'm going to turn this over to you if you want to introduce yourself and. 144 00:19:30.780 --> 00:19:33.930 Alix: discuss this, please, please take it away. 145 00:19:34.800 --> 00:19:40.200 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Absolutely, so you guys can hear me, I think you also see me here. 146 00:19:40.560 --> 00:19:41.220 Alix: Yes, we can. 147 00:19:42.090 --> 00:19:52.650 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: yeah so my name is Mr Johnson, I am an architect's and i'm also a educator at the school of architecture at usc along with Esther margulies. 148 00:19:53.070 --> 00:19:53.790 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: hi Esther. 149 00:19:55.590 --> 00:20:04.500 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: And, first of all thank Thank you all for having us, and especially the students here tonight to present their work. 150 00:20:05.850 --> 00:20:14.760 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: This is all very, very fresh the students just their final reviews yesterday they are past with great brave words so very proud of them. 151 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:29.640 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: So why are we here well this this invitation came through Lawrence ego Thank you very much for the for the invite and coordinating and making this all happen. 152 00:20:31.380 --> 00:20:44.070 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: We are a group of architecture students from the school of architecture and also from landscape architecture and it's a mixed group they're working interdisciplinary. 153 00:20:44.730 --> 00:20:59.700 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: This last semester it's a group of 16 students 12 of them architecture, four of them are landscape architecture, students and the tasks that we gave them is pertinent to your. 154 00:21:00.810 --> 00:21:11.490 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: jurisdiction, which is the Venice in a larger Venice area and for us, in particular the students were looking at the oakwood neighborhood. 155 00:21:13.290 --> 00:21:25.080 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: And so the idea was that we split up the Semester into two primary parts, the first part was a. 156 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:42.870 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Research and documentation parts, where the students work in groups of up to four students and they examined the awkward neighborhoods related to socio economic, political ratio. 157 00:21:43.950 --> 00:21:52.650 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Environmental and other aspects, so from there, we asked the students to develop ideas around. 158 00:21:53.970 --> 00:22:12.390 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: urban strategies, so we didn't begin with a parcel or a simple single project we asked him to really look at the larger context here and dad was kind of the first part of this semester, that the students embarked on. 159 00:22:13.890 --> 00:22:18.210 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Then, in the second part after learning about the URBAN. 160 00:22:19.230 --> 00:22:28.650 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: environments, the urban strategies that the students developed the students, then and develop their own ideas about program site. 161 00:22:29.460 --> 00:22:53.970 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: In very specific aspects that they wanted to do more in detail so students were basically developing a program that say like a an affordable housing project or a project that was related to the House in Venice or projects related to the public space open space, the street environment. 162 00:22:55.020 --> 00:23:08.040 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: and so forth, so in the presentations by our students, you will see that the the the initial part of developing these these strategies, then segue into an individual. 163 00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:30.840 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Projects um let's see so we had our final reviews, yesterday we asked a few students to come here this evening to present their students or their their work, I should say three architecture, students and to landscape architecture students. 164 00:23:33.540 --> 00:23:43.650 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Without really going more into detail about the program and the setup I would suggest that the students begin their presentations on sequel you have them comment. 165 00:23:44.100 --> 00:23:49.710 lauren siegel: I just wanted to maybe you could talk to the Community involvement that you had with the students, when you. 166 00:23:49.950 --> 00:23:57.450 lauren siegel: you're not working in a vacuum, you were actually working with members of the Venice community and the oakland Community so maybe you could just talk about the mentoring that went on there. 167 00:23:58.020 --> 00:24:06.690 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: yeah absolutely it's it's a very good point the students will talk about it, but I should mention it now, so the idea was also that we wanted to. 168 00:24:07.320 --> 00:24:14.790 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: expose the students to kind of real world problems, so the idea was to embed them in the Community. 169 00:24:15.420 --> 00:24:24.780 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: So we asked Community members to become mentors of the individual students grow groups, especially in the beginning of this semester, when the research was. 170 00:24:25.560 --> 00:24:41.640 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Mostly taken place, so the students will talk a little bit about their experience, but also their findings that they have taken from that experience working with these some individuals from the hope words community. 171 00:24:43.560 --> 00:24:50.820 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: So is there anything else you want to want to add to this, or should we simply begin with the student presentations. 172 00:24:51.960 --> 00:25:04.350 Esther Margulies: I think the students are perfectly capable of describing what their objectives were and their opinions and what they learned about the oakland neighborhood and I think we should let them fly and then open up the questions. 173 00:25:05.490 --> 00:25:10.350 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Very good, great so i'm going to shut up now and let's see. 174 00:25:11.460 --> 00:25:15.120 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Who would like to start, should we maybe start with one. 175 00:25:18.750 --> 00:25:21.600 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: If you want to unmute yourself and. 176 00:25:23.070 --> 00:25:23.760 Zixuan Zheng: Can you hear me. 177 00:25:24.570 --> 00:25:28.260 Zixuan Zheng: Yes, okay i'm gonna share my screen. 178 00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:34.560 Alix: capabilities to share your screen you just can only share one thing at one time. 179 00:25:35.790 --> 00:25:36.180 Zixuan Zheng: Okay. 180 00:25:41.310 --> 00:25:47.070 Esther Margulies: Chris out that really the only thing I would add to your introduction is that we spent a lot of time asking these students to go. 181 00:25:47.100 --> 00:25:48.660 Esther Margulies: Beyond the status quo. 182 00:25:49.380 --> 00:25:54.720 Esther Margulies: So I think everything you're hopefully what you see tonight in this presentation is. 183 00:25:55.410 --> 00:26:09.990 Esther Margulies: very substantially different from the kinds of projects, you typically see a loop back and that I see, and thank you for having me entertaining me here on your commission's evening, but just student I think these students are well represented going well beyond. 184 00:26:11.250 --> 00:26:13.980 Esther Margulies: Most part our current status quo that's all. 185 00:26:19.590 --> 00:26:31.200 Zixuan Zheng: Right, so I kind of start hey everyone, my name is shown and i'm most architecture student from you know C plus to program, and this is my final year of study. 186 00:26:31.590 --> 00:26:49.650 Zixuan Zheng: And i'm very excited to have this opportunity to give my presentation and optimize project of this semester's design and the topic I selected is the new upload which I will focus on the mobility open space and housing on rosov new. 187 00:26:51.240 --> 00:27:02.730 Zixuan Zheng: So, so I to recap to roast avenue is located in oakland Australian janice alarm the real size your money best ronde coffee shops local business. 188 00:27:03.030 --> 00:27:24.510 Zixuan Zheng: And chain stores, the highly developed transportation system also salaries to the economy, about last December, however, the salaries of the economy doesn't doesn't agenda fight economy doesn't provide enough function for the residents who lives there so that's why. 189 00:27:26.220 --> 00:27:37.140 Zixuan Zheng: The higher price kickoff do residents who lived here as a bridge at ease and the low income group turns into the homeless party currently the family. 190 00:27:37.470 --> 00:27:46.740 Zixuan Zheng: are currently the development as as a base the polarization of the two poles we switch people continue to live up there and living standard after neighborhood were asked to. 191 00:27:47.280 --> 00:28:05.070 Zixuan Zheng: Low income, people are sleeping on the streets to push them away from the Community, and I also retreat the demographic data from the past 50 years and, more specifically focused on the recent 10 to 20 years and from the data we can see that. 192 00:28:08.370 --> 00:28:19.080 Zixuan Zheng: From the population pyramids, we can see that the lack of middle age young age population is showing the Rose australia's loss of their diversity and vitality there if i'm thinking. 193 00:28:19.560 --> 00:28:37.320 Zixuan Zheng: How to improve the situation by creating more affordable housing close to my programs, and also to record the resonance back to ideal model or be the olive shape of the population parameters which means their families returns and will become two major components of the Community. 194 00:28:38.550 --> 00:28:51.960 Zixuan Zheng: And the goal is to create a next generation of roles that allows more diversity equity and access we're holding on to the communities territory heritage memories and the cultural value. 195 00:28:53.010 --> 00:29:05.310 Zixuan Zheng: so to speak, to really achieve to achieve that I also studied the the traffic system existing do in the entire world, so I right now, this is to existing bus route. 196 00:29:06.450 --> 00:29:18.900 Zixuan Zheng: This region, and you can see, like basically they all go through wasted major traffic and the only bus as go going across is the bus I guess is the best number 18. 197 00:29:20.130 --> 00:29:34.650 Zixuan Zheng: So I want, I want to increase the real library system that cannot from the Santa Monica to morale array which can offer the more accessibility, what led to the neighborhood. 198 00:29:35.190 --> 00:29:44.880 Zixuan Zheng: and also the scooters and bicycles, will become the Center a tool of the transportation offered the investors more out choice when they are going out. 199 00:29:46.350 --> 00:29:59.160 Zixuan Zheng: As for the open space, so I just add to what a very classical section after rose having you and, as you can see their mics used housing which served as a. 200 00:30:00.330 --> 00:30:04.950 Zixuan Zheng: As a retail space, I think it's the restaurant on the first floor. 201 00:30:05.730 --> 00:30:21.480 Zixuan Zheng: which also have like enough space setbacks, to provide the open space for the Community, and as for the alley I want to increase more are like whoa broaden the alley space to create a last pass for the. 202 00:30:22.320 --> 00:30:27.960 Zixuan Zheng: residents to speak communicate and involved in this space in between. 203 00:30:28.890 --> 00:30:42.840 Zixuan Zheng: For affordable housing like there's two point I want to focus on the first is saving a budget in construction phase which are introduced like modular modular housing model and, like the material world. 204 00:30:43.590 --> 00:30:53.130 Zixuan Zheng: The local materials and also like prefabricated construction to to cut the budget and also for the. 205 00:30:54.420 --> 00:31:09.720 Zixuan Zheng: housing for the housing our introduced more affordable living facilities such as affordable restaurant CAFE and laundry and even like the convenience store to provide the you know the classroom i'm living facilities to the neighborhoods. 206 00:31:10.890 --> 00:31:19.080 Zixuan Zheng: And so my project is called real residence, which is the affordable housing compared with the community service. 207 00:31:20.820 --> 00:31:40.020 Zixuan Zheng: Oh, we see by these background study, so I want to I finalize different groups of presidents into four categories, there are a Trojan which is under 18 young workers, why colors and single multiple families is another group and also the final group is to elderly population. 208 00:31:42.030 --> 00:31:55.140 Zixuan Zheng: And so, so there's a foursomes that retail and camino so it's focusing on your local business and CAFE studies on is the place for youth and the workers to work and study and the elderly care zone is. 209 00:31:56.220 --> 00:32:09.090 Zixuan Zheng: Our create a space for the H people to get a contact and relax and the nursery zone is the place for do Trojan to how now when their parents to pick up after the after school. 210 00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:19.290 Zixuan Zheng: And, as mentioned earlier, the existing bill and businesses are gentrify but considering the income level of this neighborhood the district is really need. 211 00:32:19.710 --> 00:32:37.860 Zixuan Zheng: To the function that provide service to local restaurants so that's how we're introduced new programs, such as like the mouse surveys and the activity room and also like the affordable restaurant CAFE and also some retail space. 212 00:32:39.690 --> 00:32:46.950 Zixuan Zheng: So, speaking of the building mass generation, first I want to, I have to confirm this site location of the boundary. 213 00:32:47.340 --> 00:33:06.450 Zixuan Zheng: And second step introduced the volume occupy the site and the first step that's lips lead to split mass into two piece generates like two towers of the site and also the cost base will forum, as in the alley symbol of the entire district. 214 00:33:07.530 --> 00:33:27.180 Zixuan Zheng: And then I provide the setbacks, which I mentioned earlier, the setbacks really important for the open space to the Community, then adding floors make sure that all the housing units can be fit inside and I lift up the first floor to the so basically and after the House. 215 00:33:28.470 --> 00:33:38.820 Zixuan Zheng: up for and leave the first floor open and it will be totally open welcome and so accessible for all peoples live there, or who visit there. 216 00:33:39.120 --> 00:33:43.770 Zixuan Zheng: And then I get to national vertically new our creative platform on the second floor. 217 00:33:44.280 --> 00:33:53.130 Zixuan Zheng: and creating a space like semi private space for the residents who lives in this building now, so the vertical connection basically salary, the stairs. 218 00:33:53.790 --> 00:34:04.110 Zixuan Zheng: And then the final step will introduce the programs, as mentioned define the first floor as the first floor space, adding program to feed the Community environment. 219 00:34:05.340 --> 00:34:09.810 Zixuan Zheng: So, in order to give you a better content I create some dialogue from the. 220 00:34:11.070 --> 00:34:22.920 Zixuan Zheng: From housing front first floor, so this is the corner at the retail, so we have some more on you know it really is a place for the people to communicate and can associate contact. 221 00:34:23.370 --> 00:34:34.020 Zixuan Zheng: And this is the nursery so there's more kids over there with their parents and also you know, like they're the new couple marry the new married couple one there. 222 00:34:37.830 --> 00:34:42.840 Zixuan Zheng: And the third will be the platform dialogues happens in the liver. 223 00:34:50.460 --> 00:34:55.260 Zixuan Zheng: Okay, and that's it and the final was my is my purview out the entire. 224 00:34:56.310 --> 00:34:58.320 Zixuan Zheng: box that's it Thank you. 225 00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:11.130 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thank you, as the issue, and I should just let me just go through all the presentations and then maybe have a conversation afterwards that works for everybody, so. 226 00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:21.270 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Then I would suggest to mix it up, why don't we then have a presentation by landscape architecture students of color and, if you want to share your screen. 227 00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.640 Colin Amos: yeah I can just want to thank you have to stop sharing me able to. 228 00:35:39.450 --> 00:35:40.470 Colin Amos: Or maybe not actually. 229 00:35:49.410 --> 00:35:58.080 Colin Amos: hey everyone, my name is Khan Amos i'm a third year masters of landscape architecture student at usc so i'm also in my final year study. 230 00:35:59.310 --> 00:36:09.360 Colin Amos: And I call my project going Dutch creating equitable Dutch style green infrastructure in oakwood and I really focused on sea level rise and how that issue of that when we look back. 231 00:36:10.470 --> 00:36:12.570 Colin Amos: So, but it's been founded by an. 232 00:36:16.230 --> 00:36:22.860 Colin Amos: image of Venice Italy and he built a pure oceanfront walk and, most notably canals, however, Venice was built on the. 233 00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:28.050 Colin Amos: Bologna peak weapons and was filled in, and this makes the area, particularly susceptible flooding. 234 00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:43.080 Colin Amos: and, especially, more so now with sea level rise, so this map is from our coast, our future and shows the extent of flooding in Venice at the predicted two meter sea level rise condition, so this flood budding what occurred during high tides King tides storm events and waive surges. 235 00:36:44.430 --> 00:36:55.590 Colin Amos: And within oakwood there are many historic structures that we put at risk from the flood so historic homes that are mapped here, so the darker the color is to order the building would be very vulnerable, as you can see from the dotted floodline within oakland. 236 00:36:55.830 --> 00:36:58.800 Colin Amos: As well as historic commercial buildings and cultural landmarks. 237 00:37:00.450 --> 00:37:10.110 Colin Amos: And so, this is that the ability and civil rights will cause the next wave of environmental gentrification within Venice, so the oakland neighborhood is slowly being populated by higher and higher income people. 238 00:37:10.470 --> 00:37:16.740 Colin Amos: Many homes have been bought be torn down and replaced by multimillion dollar mansions or luxury apartments and you can kind of see in these. 239 00:37:17.370 --> 00:37:27.300 Colin Amos: Google Street View images from 2008 2001 here and they can track from like the Bohemian artistic culture of Venice everybody so proud of and it's forcing how many long time Community members. 240 00:37:27.570 --> 00:37:33.030 Colin Amos: So oakwood is a historically redline black neighborhood and that will see disproportionate effects from sea level rise. 241 00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:39.390 Colin Amos: In the long time resident should not be subject to environmental gentrification forcing them out of their homes, should they not be able to order to. 242 00:37:39.870 --> 00:37:48.660 Colin Amos: protect themselves, so if no plan is implemented to protect this area from sea level rise it's conceivable that many people would have to take action themselves to protect your property so. 243 00:37:48.990 --> 00:37:54.330 Colin Amos: People in large modern houses could seal the ground floors and move entrances up to the second floor. 244 00:37:54.690 --> 00:38:06.720 Colin Amos: residents in historic bungalows with the available money could put their houses on stilts a practice that is commonly seen on the east coast beach towns where i'm from and this renovation costs around $250,000. 245 00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:18.360 Colin Amos: And the people who cannot afford these renovations will be forced out leaving their homes to be condemned and most likely eventually bought by higher income developers or residents who can afford to build in a manner to protect from flooding. 246 00:38:20.160 --> 00:38:28.200 Colin Amos: So this flooding would cover 10 square miles regularly and be at a depth estimated by our coast or future of around four to six feet and what cause millions of dollars. 247 00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:41.730 Colin Amos: So the existing infrastructure of the canals consistent to tie gates at the entrance here of Marina del rey and then up in Washington boulevard and then the third type gate connected to the retention pond in Marina del rey. 248 00:38:43.380 --> 00:38:51.510 Colin Amos: So, in order to create my project, I had to operate under three main assumptions first that the existing stormwater and Venice, will be able to handle small flooding events. 249 00:38:51.720 --> 00:38:56.490 Colin Amos: Second, but the sea level rise will Max out at two meters as climate changes curbed. 250 00:38:56.730 --> 00:39:08.610 Colin Amos: And thirdly, that flooding will originate from the canals and the low line northern areas of Marina del rey, so this is my master plan and it consists of three types of canal extensions that would greatly increase floodwater capacity for the area. 251 00:39:09.120 --> 00:39:20.160 Colin Amos: So, starting from smallest of biggest the alleyways and oakwood would be converted into green alleyways each of these would connect an end on Abbot kinney providing the localized flood protection and Community green space for the neighborhood. 252 00:39:21.540 --> 00:39:29.880 Colin Amos: Next, on Abbot kinney would be converted to a pedestrian canal street and, finally, the large canals would be extended up along Venice and Washington boulevard. 253 00:39:30.720 --> 00:39:39.480 Colin Amos: So the Abbot kinney canal would convert the street and to bit extreme street making them more human scale commercial corridor, while also providing water capacity to prevent flooding. 254 00:39:40.950 --> 00:39:49.290 Colin Amos: So this is Abbot kinney in its current state, and, interestingly at it can use the exact same size to the foot 75 feet across as the street in the Netherlands. 255 00:39:49.830 --> 00:40:00.960 Colin Amos: Only currently almost all of that, but can you spaces dedicated to cars, rather than people in flood protection, so we should draw from the Dutch if they've mastered the art of living with water and have all of the infrastructure, they need. 256 00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:06.210 Colin Amos: In place successfully to protect themselves from seal arise until 2050. 257 00:40:07.320 --> 00:40:20.460 Colin Amos: So this plan shows the Abbot kinney can now plan and how it intersects with the Venice boulevard canal, you can see it's brick pathways seating areas and the low flow marsh connecting underneath us boulevard to the canal extension. 258 00:40:21.660 --> 00:40:32.700 Colin Amos: So these rendering so the Abbot can you pronounce the Marsh low flow channel can be filled with plants that thrive and Marshall and environments like junk guests sedges and all in Virginia and trees like mangroves. 259 00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:39.990 Colin Amos: And then the next level up is a flooded pathway that allows for more pedestrian space down by the water during times of non flood events. 260 00:40:41.520 --> 00:40:45.810 Colin Amos: So the next phase of the project is the canal along Venice boulevard in Washington boulevard. 261 00:40:46.020 --> 00:40:55.920 Colin Amos: So this is the existing conditional on Venice and the right three lanes northbound side would be converted to a canal, and all of the traffic would be diverted into a two way street on the southbound side. 262 00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:04.680 Colin Amos: So this axon and sexson shows the street with the canal running along it and then pipes underneath the street as well for added water storage. 263 00:41:06.270 --> 00:41:17.460 Colin Amos: The canals both existing and added should have pop up canal walls and these have been used in the Netherlands to great success so as water levels rise, the hydrostatic pressure forces the water. 264 00:41:17.850 --> 00:41:26.100 Colin Amos: forces the walls to pop up adding around three feet of flood protection and then there's self-closing to as the water levels drop in the pressure receipts. 265 00:41:27.270 --> 00:41:33.750 Colin Amos: So this image shows the canals down Venice boulevard with the flood condition and walls on the left and a normal condition on the right. 266 00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:46.830 Colin Amos: at the intersection of Venice and Abbot kinney the two canals joined together underneath Venice boulevard here, you can see the bridge over the new canal the bike lanes on either side of the street and the walkways along advocating. 267 00:41:48.570 --> 00:41:58.860 Colin Amos: So, finally, by creating the system we can protect oakwood from flooding, to the sea level rise, prevent the effects of environmental gentrification displacing these are longtime residents of the neighborhood and preserve and Community character. 268 00:41:59.190 --> 00:42:12.090 Colin Amos: This system also works to create a more walkable sustainable human centered oakwood that provides access to green space, while learning to live with water, the surrounding environment and are changing world due to climate change, thank you so much. 269 00:42:14.790 --> 00:42:15.150 Alix: Thank you. 270 00:42:16.320 --> 00:42:20.640 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thank you very much let's continue with some shit. 271 00:42:22.110 --> 00:42:23.760 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: You want to share your screen so shit. 272 00:42:42.630 --> 00:42:42.870 Sanchit Mehta: Can you. 273 00:42:43.410 --> 00:42:44.100 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: see my screen. 274 00:42:46.140 --> 00:42:46.680 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Yes. 275 00:42:47.940 --> 00:42:48.720 alright. 276 00:42:53.940 --> 00:43:10.380 Sanchit Mehta: So my project is a name commune haven, this is kind of a housing project that is on the intersection of Abbot kinney and Main Street and brooks have a new way that the small little three comes into like the insects. 277 00:43:11.310 --> 00:43:17.790 Sanchit Mehta: So, as usual, we started with the analysis of the Community, where we were looking at demographics and. 278 00:43:18.390 --> 00:43:32.310 Sanchit Mehta: What is the income, the median age and the percentage of males and females are living there, and how many they are like families with kids because these are the this the neighborhood is majorly. 279 00:43:33.810 --> 00:43:39.360 Sanchit Mehta: Where the families are living the old families, as my colleagues mentioned about. 280 00:43:40.770 --> 00:43:49.560 Sanchit Mehta: This has been a red light area for historically realigned area, so the families are still intact and it has that Community character of having. 281 00:43:50.130 --> 00:43:57.330 Sanchit Mehta: to live together with the family in a close knit environment, and then we were looking at again like the decade nap and. 282 00:43:57.810 --> 00:44:07.530 Sanchit Mehta: This comes into our master plan, where we are preserving the pre 1945 houses to maintain the Community character that would retains. 283 00:44:08.490 --> 00:44:22.500 Sanchit Mehta: And then you're looking at the housing density from 1982 2020 2020 so we're looking at how the density has been a single family housing and not in general. 284 00:44:23.310 --> 00:44:32.370 Sanchit Mehta: high density area, whereas the proposals right now with the Abbot kinney has a really high density area and creating. 285 00:44:33.300 --> 00:44:47.520 Sanchit Mehta: Multi storey buildings kind of making it like a virtual boulevard which does not go for the Community character of awkward So how can we balance out the density and while maintaining the character. 286 00:44:48.330 --> 00:44:56.070 Sanchit Mehta: So this beetle these are some of the questions that were derived from the the analysis part of this project. 287 00:44:57.630 --> 00:45:08.400 Sanchit Mehta: And then some Community infrastructure that we are looking at the landmarks in the Community, and one of the major things that came up during the Community involvement was. 288 00:45:09.210 --> 00:45:19.230 Sanchit Mehta: How they used to have the Community shops that were built into the houses of the residents and they had a local economy going on. 289 00:45:19.860 --> 00:45:30.090 Sanchit Mehta: which are now non existent, there are a couple of them remaining and there were a few of those landmark cases like the first Baptist church. 290 00:45:30.540 --> 00:45:44.010 Sanchit Mehta: The awkward recreational park and the Westminster school, which are kind of like all of those kind of bring about the main infrastructure of the Community, which involves the community in general. 291 00:45:44.910 --> 00:45:51.960 Sanchit Mehta: And then, again as called and talked about sea level rise, it is again a very big issue in this area so. 292 00:45:53.040 --> 00:45:56.340 Sanchit Mehta: The design implementations in my project kind of. 293 00:45:57.540 --> 00:46:06.750 Sanchit Mehta: Taking take that into consideration, so this these projects would be more future oriented and future ready. 294 00:46:09.900 --> 00:46:13.950 Sanchit Mehta: So again, like how we started as a step onto the design strategies. 295 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:16.830 Sanchit Mehta: Our mission was to create. 296 00:46:17.910 --> 00:46:31.170 Sanchit Mehta: kind of like give give it back to the Community and how we, how we can tackle some of the issues which which pertain mostly to transportation housing sea level rise and the alley structures. 297 00:46:31.830 --> 00:46:43.170 Sanchit Mehta: So for transportation, you know how to reduce single car use and add more public transport and have more bike lanes, which are. 298 00:46:43.530 --> 00:46:48.540 Sanchit Mehta: pretty much non existing over here because we just have shadows, which are the shared with the wheaton. 299 00:46:49.110 --> 00:47:04.920 Sanchit Mehta: And then, housing, so we were looking at a few models, which are the ids and co op housing that kind of become like a medium density, which does not break the character and still we can increase some density to the neighborhood. 300 00:47:06.600 --> 00:47:10.830 Sanchit Mehta: Then sea level rise again we were looking in my design, I was looking at. 301 00:47:11.850 --> 00:47:21.180 Sanchit Mehta: How we can make some inroads kind of the opposite, that Miami is doing right now they're raising the streets, but how about flooded streets. 302 00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:33.360 Sanchit Mehta: And then green alleys as the Green leaves the alleys right now that are being that are in the Community data in the menace neighborhood are mostly used for parking or just as. 303 00:47:34.140 --> 00:47:48.990 Sanchit Mehta: to access the garages, how can we take it back and make it more habitable most social spaces for the kids to play for having more Community shops that becomes a driver of community in Waldo. 304 00:47:50.520 --> 00:47:59.580 Sanchit Mehta: So the, this is the area that i'm focusing on majorly for my project, which is the intersection of mainstream Abbot kinney and brooks avenue. 305 00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:12.840 Sanchit Mehta: Along with electric avenue, so this part would be what i'm focusing mainly on just identifying the structures in this place is all of these red spaces are just. 306 00:48:13.470 --> 00:48:27.150 Sanchit Mehta: surface parking and then these buildings which exists, right now, I have identified as maybe not being used as much that can be replaced for better high density. 307 00:48:28.260 --> 00:48:38.610 Sanchit Mehta: Housing units and then again there's this major building the the famous teams building, which was the which comes into the whole design parameters. 308 00:48:39.600 --> 00:48:49.980 Sanchit Mehta: So this is a master plan that I came up with, and this is a game that street the brooks avenue that is coming here, this is electric and then around here is mainstream. 309 00:48:51.780 --> 00:49:05.640 Sanchit Mehta: So, focusing on this i'm trying to create a Plaza where this becomes like a brooks code, so what it comes about is connecting all of these intersections and taking out. 310 00:49:06.330 --> 00:49:18.990 Sanchit Mehta: The cars which and giving it back to the pedestrians which becomes a pedestrian friendly street and in accordance with that been working Abbot kinney into a flexible pedestrian prominent which. 311 00:49:20.040 --> 00:49:29.280 Sanchit Mehta: The Community can come and enjoy and not just kind of like a gentrified area which has all of the high end stores and high end restaurants. 312 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:45.180 Sanchit Mehta: So this becomes like the Center of offered where you know if you go towards the south east you get Southwest you get the you get access to the beaches and then on the. 313 00:49:45.630 --> 00:50:03.750 Sanchit Mehta: North side you have a Community and this over here becomes our social housing, which i'll get into so adding around hundred more units which are focus on bringing the new generation as you're talking about the demographics, most of the population right now. 314 00:50:05.100 --> 00:50:14.760 Sanchit Mehta: In here in this area, a lot of the population is a younger generation, though they they are have a lot of people who are aging for that master plan. 315 00:50:15.480 --> 00:50:30.960 Sanchit Mehta: We that's that's been the pre 1945 houses come into play, and we start to preserve those houses and adding more at us and more units, the more density to those existing blog parcels of plants. 316 00:50:33.390 --> 00:50:45.720 Sanchit Mehta: getting into the housing structure, these are just a tectonics of how the bad things comes about, and how creating that kind of a neighborhood field where you have your own house, but again to get into. 317 00:50:47.520 --> 00:50:52.950 Sanchit Mehta: So these are like pod structures, where you have these spots come about as. 318 00:50:55.080 --> 00:51:03.120 Sanchit Mehta: This one was talking about the modularity so this brings in how we can make affordable housing more accessible. 319 00:51:03.630 --> 00:51:18.060 Sanchit Mehta: So these are the housing units a one bedroom and two bedroom units again focused on maybe office and students and younger families younger couples, the two bedroom for younger kids. 320 00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:36.330 Sanchit Mehta: This is the site plan so we're what is this Green area as we were talking about sea level rise, we do need a water retention area where we can retain water in case of flooding, of course, the streets would would be flexible and. 321 00:51:37.830 --> 00:51:44.430 Sanchit Mehta: So we need an area where the water can be stolen, so these green areas act as. 322 00:51:46.560 --> 00:51:52.620 Sanchit Mehta: areas which can retain water in case of flooding, and then it can be passed on to the other canals. 323 00:51:53.340 --> 00:52:00.120 Sanchit Mehta: So this becomes when it's when it's flooded again it's filled with water, but in case of. 324 00:52:00.690 --> 00:52:12.960 Sanchit Mehta: When it's not flooded, it becomes like a fog that the Community can access and it connects to all of the green alleys that are flowing into the neighborhood from the neighborhood and enter the Abbot kinney. 325 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:21.450 Sanchit Mehta: So again, these faces when you when you get into the planning of of the building. 326 00:52:22.740 --> 00:52:39.780 Sanchit Mehta: There are some spaces even inside the building suppose the streets are flooded how these spaces become social areas that even in case of flooding the the the the Community members that are living in in this housing can sell have access to a lot of. 327 00:52:41.100 --> 00:52:42.660 Open activity areas. 328 00:52:44.610 --> 00:52:54.840 Sanchit Mehta: So this is the section through the whole development what what, what do you see here is the whole structure is raised from the street. 329 00:52:55.200 --> 00:53:10.800 Sanchit Mehta: So it makes space for of flooding again sea level rise is no will flood will flood the area So how do you mitigate that and how do we make sure that the Community is unharmed. 330 00:53:11.340 --> 00:53:26.220 Sanchit Mehta: They can still function in a in a way that they used to so raising the whole structure and bringing in the greenery under it kind of reflects how you can have social spaces inside. 331 00:53:26.910 --> 00:53:35.310 Sanchit Mehta: off your off your structures as well, and you know the built environment does not have to be separate from the landscape of the open design of environment. 332 00:53:35.820 --> 00:53:48.810 Sanchit Mehta: Again, just you know just like you see the scenarios here and how it comes into being and yeah This is my proposal for the housing project. 333 00:53:49.560 --> 00:53:51.420 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thank you, great Thank you so. 334 00:53:53.520 --> 00:53:55.980 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: If you want to share hello, how we doing on time. 335 00:53:57.690 --> 00:53:58.830 Alix: Great great keep going. 336 00:53:59.340 --> 00:54:00.990 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Okay, great so i'm. 337 00:54:01.770 --> 00:54:09.870 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: still not sure if know holly was able to join, but you offered that you maybe wanted to share some of her thoughts. 338 00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.040 So it's still the case. 339 00:54:12.270 --> 00:54:18.900 Esther Margulies: yeah unfortunately she had on a plane at 430 today and was unable to. 340 00:54:21.000 --> 00:54:32.670 Esther Margulies: record she she tried valiantly to record version in the airport and mostly what we heard was you know the kids crying and the people walking around but I i'd like to just share. 341 00:54:33.090 --> 00:54:34.170 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: kind of a brief. 342 00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:40.740 Esther Margulies: version of her presentation with this committee just for a kind of entirely different approach to. 343 00:54:41.160 --> 00:54:45.690 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thinking about housing and culture in Venice so i'll take this screen. 344 00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:57.990 Esther Margulies: And of course I can't do you know full justice to this, I do wish we had the holly doshi here to do the presentation, for you, but i'll try to do my best and i'm going to keep it brief because. 345 00:54:59.190 --> 00:55:11.010 Esther Margulies: I wish, she was here anyway and holly was also actually working adjacent tissue juan's project on rose avenue a little bit south of rose avenue and. 346 00:55:11.460 --> 00:55:20.010 Esther Margulies: She did as you'll see a really deep dive into the black American culture that was that is such a strong legacy and oakwood. 347 00:55:20.430 --> 00:55:29.100 Esther Margulies: And this is a this issue of cultural equity is really a strong part of the substance of this studio and she called her project assembling upward. 348 00:55:30.090 --> 00:55:38.550 Esther Margulies: So she also did a very thorough cultural analysis of the oakwood community which you'll see a little bit of. 349 00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:49.800 Esther Margulies: and out of that research she developed, something that she called assemblage or or or named as assemblage as her way of thinking about both land use development. 350 00:55:50.280 --> 00:55:56.970 Esther Margulies: and open space development and public art so i'll share with you a little bit of her research. 351 00:55:57.750 --> 00:56:05.910 Esther Margulies: And when I say that she looked at, culture and heritage, she began this by doing a kind of a survey of black American culture in the US. 352 00:56:06.510 --> 00:56:19.020 Esther Margulies: and trying to better understand how that historically how they help people in these communities used open space and what she found was the same thing that we find in our alleys. 353 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:30.090 Esther Margulies: and open spaces is people like to hang out there, they they they create a big Community family there where everybody's looking out for everybody else's kids. 354 00:56:30.420 --> 00:56:39.540 Esther Margulies: and making space out of the areas and the alleys in between buildings which becomes recreation space and social space and we heard that from the Community members. 355 00:56:39.900 --> 00:56:44.160 Esther Margulies: Now for the two years that we've been doing this studio we heard about how one of the. 356 00:56:44.670 --> 00:56:50.490 Esther Margulies: Things that was really create a solid social fabric was how everybody knew what everybody else's kids were doing. 357 00:56:50.850 --> 00:56:56.730 Esther Margulies: kids walked through the neighborhood all the time and people saw each other and have strong relationships. 358 00:56:57.330 --> 00:57:08.460 Esther Margulies: We heard from named Dr Naomi Nightingale from other members of the community about the importance of the identity of oakwood and especially first Baptist church this made a strong impression on many of our students. 359 00:57:09.240 --> 00:57:19.230 Esther Margulies: And when I say that not only did a deep dive she really wanted back into understanding the migration of the reese family and the taper family here. 360 00:57:19.650 --> 00:57:32.700 Esther Margulies: And really developed a an incredible appreciation for the creative brilliance of Arthur reese the decorator of the wizard of Venice, and what that brought to the character of advocates development and the Community as a whole. 361 00:57:34.230 --> 00:57:47.730 Esther Margulies: And that cultural spirit of the art and creativity really extended all the way through the beat poets and Venice West, which is so great to have open again on Lincoln boulevard, but this has historically always been a place of great cultural mixing. 362 00:57:49.620 --> 00:57:57.180 Esther Margulies: So I mentioned before the gene looked at kind of the use of space and he also looked at the the cultural, the history of art and. 363 00:57:57.900 --> 00:58:03.660 Esther Margulies: and looking at how people develop their open space and what she found was this. 364 00:58:04.290 --> 00:58:15.690 Esther Margulies: tradition of assemblage of gathering things that are everyday objects sometimes and using those to furnish spaces, then create gardens and create art. 365 00:58:16.560 --> 00:58:22.650 Esther Margulies: So this is where it gets interesting where she looked at the history of art and culture, she looked at how. 366 00:58:23.070 --> 00:58:37.470 Esther Margulies: The neighborhoods in Venice and oakwood developed and she picked up on something very interesting, which was when Arthur reese brought his relatives from the southeast here and the tabor family collected themselves here they didn't. 367 00:58:38.490 --> 00:58:55.440 Esther Margulies: Well, what they did was they found space in the property owned and they added living units on the same property and they use that similar technique of assemblage to create new dwelling units they created social spaces and a tightly knit community. 368 00:58:56.910 --> 00:59:03.960 Esther Margulies: So this is she she know how I took this investigation into current and contemporary art and looked at the work of. 369 00:59:04.440 --> 00:59:18.810 Esther Margulies: allison and bed stars and their tradition of bringing these everyday objects into artwork that was that were meaningful culturally to their community and then let me show you how this translates into antiques. 370 00:59:20.040 --> 00:59:26.550 Esther Margulies: So rose avenue is on the upper left here and the holly focused in on this area with the. 371 00:59:27.150 --> 00:59:36.630 Esther Margulies: Broken orange outline around it and what she was investigating was how could the traditional land use patterns of parcels. 372 00:59:37.050 --> 00:59:44.070 Esther Margulies: If we thought about them differently if we actually maybe ignored the traditional parcel lines of thought about how can we create. 373 00:59:44.520 --> 00:59:53.430 Esther Margulies: A Community land trust here or housing opportunities that could cross over some of those boundaries that could provide the housing that we so desperately need in Venice. 374 00:59:53.910 --> 00:59:59.160 Esther Margulies: in a different way, in a way that provides a stronger social fabric and stronger open space. 375 00:59:59.790 --> 01:00:11.130 Esther Margulies: So she spent time really looking at how carefully, could you insert within units into the existing fabric, with a variety, like the other students of unit types and sizes. 376 01:00:11.640 --> 01:00:20.190 Esther Margulies: And then she took the reflections on the memories of the old time residents, here, of how they used to wander through the neighborhood and how that how to. 377 01:00:20.460 --> 01:00:29.430 Esther Margulies: Actually, was a positive thing to see people walking by to know where your kids were how we could reintroduce that into public space within the blocks. 378 01:00:29.730 --> 01:00:40.680 Esther Margulies: And how to develop these public open spaces in a way that everyone can contribute the public art in this theory and this practice of assemblage means. 379 01:00:41.160 --> 01:00:56.910 Esther Margulies: it's a timeless art form, where everyone find something that they can contribute and it's an ongoing evolving art piece So these are just three of the gardens that she considered a spirit garden based on traditions of African American. 380 01:00:57.570 --> 01:01:06.330 Esther Margulies: spirit gardens all over the country and memory garden, which also becomes a place space within the neighborhood and a Community healing garden the could also evolved. 381 01:01:06.810 --> 01:01:15.570 Esther Margulies: Growing herbs and edibles, this is a view of the spirit garden and there's a very particular kind of vernacular of this with. 382 01:01:16.170 --> 01:01:27.540 Esther Margulies: bottles hanging from trees, where, and this is where it creates a kind of soundscape and she was also thinking about how these new units that are embedded in the backyards and in the general property. 383 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:39.210 Esther Margulies: Can transition up from the street, so that the street doesn't change so much, but we can integrate additional units into the interiors of lots So these are four. 384 01:01:40.020 --> 01:01:48.690 Esther Margulies: sketches that she put together showing just different ways that this concept of assemblage of bringing things together from all of the residents, not just some. 385 01:01:49.110 --> 01:02:02.430 Esther Margulies: can be part of the public space on rose and the Interior and Pauline the parks and open spaces as a way to bring this together for the whole neighborhood and create a stronger fabric, so thank you very much. 386 01:02:04.320 --> 01:02:06.090 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Great Thank you so thanks for. 387 01:02:07.980 --> 01:02:11.730 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: So we have one more students caitlin. 388 01:02:28.200 --> 01:02:30.750 Katelyn Lentz: Okay, can everyone see everything okay. 389 01:02:34.710 --> 01:02:36.630 Esther Margulies: still waiting for to come up caitlin. 390 01:02:51.510 --> 01:02:53.130 This is super huge file. 391 01:02:57.870 --> 01:03:00.480 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: think she might be might be in frozen. 392 01:03:08.970 --> 01:03:10.530 Esther Margulies: Okay, we lost you there. 393 01:03:11.370 --> 01:03:21.750 Katelyn Lentz: So sorry i'm sometimes this happens we'll see i'll try, one more time and maybe I can send to Christoph and maybe he can share me. 394 01:03:22.080 --> 01:03:22.530 sure. 395 01:03:26.550 --> 01:03:28.800 Katelyn Lentz: Maybe if I turn off my camera to that might help. 396 01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:34.230 Katelyn Lentz: Okay. 397 01:03:37.440 --> 01:03:38.730 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Yes, yes. 398 01:03:38.940 --> 01:03:39.270 Okay. 399 01:03:40.620 --> 01:03:53.580 Katelyn Lentz: awesome Okay, maybe i'll try without my camera, I think that might work so today i'll be presenting the very Davis Community forum and then the urban strategies that my team and I came up with. 400 01:04:00.630 --> 01:04:11.250 Katelyn Lentz: So starting out with the site analysis and this is our site my team and I worked on the California district, which includes California avenue. 401 01:04:11.610 --> 01:04:21.390 Katelyn Lentz: And then goes up to Lincoln boulevard and down to other kimmy and then later on i'll be focusing on the site, which is in the lower corner of California avenue. 402 01:04:23.310 --> 01:04:33.240 Katelyn Lentz: So first off we went to oakland many times and met with the Community Members on my team and I had Naomi Nightingale as my mentor. 403 01:04:33.600 --> 01:04:42.450 Katelyn Lentz: And it was really great to talk with her, as well as some other Community members and through those discussions some major takeaways that we got were. 404 01:04:43.020 --> 01:04:49.320 Katelyn Lentz: Naomi stressed about designing for the next generation to come thinking about the kids in mind. 405 01:04:49.890 --> 01:04:56.490 Katelyn Lentz: bringing back Community retail she was letting us know about the mom and pop stores that were lost, so wishing that those. 406 01:04:57.270 --> 01:05:06.720 Katelyn Lentz: were coming back and also celebrating a Community connectivity and I talked to someone named Jericho, is also a Community Member and. 407 01:05:07.260 --> 01:05:14.910 Katelyn Lentz: You, let me know that one of the major things that he loved about the previous aqua Community before all of the zoning happened. 408 01:05:15.720 --> 01:05:25.410 Katelyn Lentz: Was that you could go from one house to another just flowing very seamlessly and everyone knew who you were, and that was something that really tied to meet together. 409 01:05:27.420 --> 01:05:38.730 Katelyn Lentz: So something that we looked at was the history i'm starting from the NATO wetlands, all the way through today i'm looking at how the up sorry. 410 01:05:41.700 --> 01:05:43.680 Katelyn Lentz: Yes, the native wetlands were. 411 01:05:44.730 --> 01:05:55.020 Katelyn Lentz: Originally, belong to the tanga tribes, and then, as the Spaniards came in the rancho period happens and then later Abbot kinney came in fills in those wetlands. 412 01:05:55.380 --> 01:06:14.430 Katelyn Lentz: And then oakland became established, but I did go through major redlining and then eventually zoning and then down zoning to today, so we looked at this red line system where the talent, or the neighborhood of oakland was considered degrade on as the other areas we're. 413 01:06:16.350 --> 01:06:32.370 Katelyn Lentz: Not as restrictive so was interesting to look at and then in 1950 We saw how Venice adopted the first on zoning plan so seeing how the neighborhood is trying to get down zone and then. 414 01:06:33.720 --> 01:06:48.000 Katelyn Lentz: yeah and then in 1938 through 2013 we see that the neighborhood of awkward becomes low to medium density and then eventually itself day we see that this area has been. 415 01:06:48.930 --> 01:07:06.810 Katelyn Lentz: yeah very much designated for residential only driving out those mom and pop stores so looking at it in 3D, we can see some major aspects of oakland, including the first Baptist church in oakland park which service really important landmarks for the Community. 416 01:07:08.070 --> 01:07:21.270 Katelyn Lentz: And so my team and I we developed our mission statement to create a sustainable Community focusing on open space, the Community mobility and housing, and so we could do that through a small scale housing. 417 01:07:22.350 --> 01:07:32.790 Katelyn Lentz: And also prioritizing the pedestrian on streets that are normally used by vehicles, bringing back those mom and pop stores and also increasing the permeability at the site. 418 01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:47.640 Katelyn Lentz: So we took a look at open space how the alleys could become green spaces right now they're fully paid and so maybe this this could become permeable and allow the large percolate through. 419 01:07:48.180 --> 01:07:55.920 Katelyn Lentz: And we also exact community and retail and how those areas could form together to become hubs where the Community could use them. 420 01:07:56.430 --> 01:08:07.110 Katelyn Lentz: i'm also looking at housing and we were asked to plug in 500 units to increase the density to where it needs to be to accommodate the Community. 421 01:08:07.560 --> 01:08:25.800 Katelyn Lentz: And so we broke that out into 10% on housed and then 20% singles and couples 20% elderly and then 50% families with children, and then we also looked at mobility thinking about how those green alleyways could become just for pedestrians. 422 01:08:27.390 --> 01:08:31.290 Katelyn Lentz: Looking at the housing, instead of removing. 423 01:08:31.830 --> 01:08:48.060 Katelyn Lentz: residences we looked at where we could plug these in strategically where there was open space, there is not very much open space, but we did find enough to fit 500 units in, and so they would be in the backs of blocks and we'll see that a little bit later. 424 01:08:49.410 --> 01:08:52.860 Katelyn Lentz: And this is just a mobility and looking a little bit closer at that too. 425 01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:05.880 Katelyn Lentz: So then coming to the plan of lower oakland I focus my projects on the lower side of California avenue where it starts to hit Abbot kinney boulevard. 426 01:09:06.630 --> 01:09:17.850 Katelyn Lentz: So, looking at mobility, instead of keeping California, with the vehicles and pedestrians, who have become pedestrian only and also have a trolley system that would run through. 427 01:09:18.270 --> 01:09:31.350 Katelyn Lentz: So the system will come in and take residences to their homes and then running through it also be a bio swell that could capture some of that seal overrides that would be happening my college talks about. 428 01:09:32.070 --> 01:09:43.170 Katelyn Lentz: And also providing some nature back into the Community, and then the green alleyways could open up to become passageways and course for the residences to go. 429 01:09:43.770 --> 01:09:58.200 Katelyn Lentz: flowing through like they had before, in previous open and then at the heart of this would be a larger Community forum space that will get to a little bit later, where the Community can really come together and congregate. 430 01:09:59.550 --> 01:10:09.240 Katelyn Lentz: So, looking at the housing strategy, this would be looking at one of the alleys and how someone could flow through evening going. 431 01:10:09.870 --> 01:10:25.080 Katelyn Lentz: along a library system hub, that would be designated in some of the alleyways to further connected community and some of these unit blocks, we looked at i'm just taking a look at how the Community could be. 432 01:10:26.250 --> 01:10:32.070 Katelyn Lentz: broken up with these housing blocks to provide maximum space for the people. 433 01:10:33.840 --> 01:10:43.890 Katelyn Lentz: Looking at these in section this be coming through the alley and also through family residence and then looking at one of the library hubs on one side. 434 01:10:44.460 --> 01:10:58.950 Katelyn Lentz: And then the other section is looking through the Santa Clara avenue and how that could become about swell so capture some of that sea level rise in rainwater and provide nature back to the Community. 435 01:11:00.060 --> 01:11:09.240 Katelyn Lentz: So going to the project itself at the heart this junction and can see, this is not the very Davis Community forum. 436 01:11:10.500 --> 01:11:20.610 Katelyn Lentz: So just doing a little bit deeper analysis, we have a very Davis mclendon youth and family Center, which is a really prominent building and. 437 01:11:21.810 --> 01:11:34.410 Katelyn Lentz: yeah really focal piece for the Community for Community development and also the electric lodge right here, which serves the Community through art and as a place for artists to come, looking at these. 438 01:11:35.940 --> 01:11:45.540 Katelyn Lentz: More specifically at the structure very Davis Spanish colonial revival structure that was interesting to look at and then. 439 01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:55.590 Katelyn Lentz: yeah getting into the project so on the lower side, we have the retail Abbot kinney and then up above, we have residential. 440 01:11:55.920 --> 01:12:05.010 Katelyn Lentz: And then, in the middle, are the two Community buildings but it's not a lot of space for the Community, so the idea is to branch out and give some of that. 441 01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:18.600 Katelyn Lentz: area that's the Community, we have electric of new running through so would bring back half of those retail buildings to the Community and then reconnect that through the alleyways. 442 01:12:20.880 --> 01:12:29.910 Katelyn Lentz: The idea of thinking about those flows that a Community used to have going from one house to another that flowing circulation would. 443 01:12:30.510 --> 01:12:45.540 Katelyn Lentz: become really the stream that would capture these programs so growing the very Davis program of the incubation of these local businesses expanding that to. 444 01:12:46.590 --> 01:12:53.190 Katelyn Lentz: To create spaces, where the Community can discuss and come together and learn and nurture each other. 445 01:12:54.390 --> 01:13:03.600 Katelyn Lentz: So, looking at this and three teams, we have the very Davis Center and then extending offers that will be in the gallery and circulation space could celebrate. 446 01:13:03.870 --> 01:13:23.340 Katelyn Lentz: The Community that is here, as well as an interior forum where the Community Members can congregate or discussions and things like that, and then a library, where the Community can have access to books and education and then Community retail that could further serve the Community. 447 01:13:24.990 --> 01:13:28.290 Katelyn Lentz: These are just a few precedents, that I looked at as well. 448 01:13:29.820 --> 01:13:43.080 Katelyn Lentz: And then i'm getting to the plan so you can see connecting the very Davis Community forum would be the alleyways and then in the middle of that would be this large community Plaza where. 449 01:13:43.680 --> 01:13:55.800 Katelyn Lentz: Pedestrians would have the right of way vehicles could still run through, but it will be given mostly to the pedestrians and so this is where the Community would congregate and then you would come up. 450 01:13:56.610 --> 01:14:06.900 Katelyn Lentz: off the trolley here, as you can see, in yellow on California avenue, and these are some panting types, that I was looking at as well, you think California native. 451 01:14:08.730 --> 01:14:16.680 Katelyn Lentz: are getting into the plan you will come off of the train station and enter directly into the various Davis Center and then. 452 01:14:17.040 --> 01:14:22.440 Katelyn Lentz: coming off of that you would enter into the Community gallery, which would be this very area lightfoot space. 453 01:14:22.830 --> 01:14:39.480 Katelyn Lentz: that's very transparent where you can see the reading Garden on the outside, as well as coming around the corner, to the Community forum and then branching off of that would be the central piazza where the Community would be able to hold lots of different activities and events. 454 01:14:41.370 --> 01:14:52.350 Katelyn Lentz: Through some elevations just looking at the transparency of the structure that will connect all of these three will be able to see the Vera Davis Center really still shining through. 455 01:14:53.850 --> 01:15:00.720 Katelyn Lentz: And just some different things that could be happening in this forum, can be reading performance or a lecture could take place. 456 01:15:01.230 --> 01:15:14.430 Katelyn Lentz: Now we're going to walk through the form, so this would be coming off of the trolley this be the first size that you would see right off of the trolley and you could enter directly into the data Center. 457 01:15:16.020 --> 01:15:25.140 Katelyn Lentz: or coming in from the alley this would be coming towards the back of the structure being able to see you, the open gallery space. 458 01:15:26.310 --> 01:15:33.510 Katelyn Lentz: Then, this would be inside the very day this gallery exhibiting work that is done by the Community and African American residents. 459 01:15:34.440 --> 01:15:45.900 Katelyn Lentz: And then coming to the forum where perhaps the meeting we just finished on it good whole and lots of things in the space that she was could be removable so it could be very flexible. 460 01:15:47.910 --> 01:15:55.950 Katelyn Lentz: And then the view from the pizza and say farmers market could be happening or something and it's very open and. 461 01:15:57.060 --> 01:15:58.110 Katelyn Lentz: Very usable. 462 01:15:59.610 --> 01:16:10.050 Katelyn Lentz: and looking at it from bird's eye view you can see the density that will come up, as well as the trolley system and how the people could flow through the space. 463 01:16:12.450 --> 01:16:12.990 Katelyn Lentz: Thank you. 464 01:16:16.140 --> 01:16:26.130 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thank you caitlin and thank you, students, so this This concludes our our presentation Parts I think we probably want to open it up to some questions. 465 01:16:26.550 --> 01:16:36.960 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: But i'm hoping it came across that we that we tried to give you a cross section of you know, the variety of approaches that we are the students embarked on. 466 01:16:37.650 --> 01:16:53.880 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: And personally, you know, for me, you know it's always been been very, very amazing to see how much is done in in research and documentation and how much I don't know about business, even though i'm a very long time bareness resident so. 467 01:16:54.990 --> 01:17:02.610 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: that's also something to take note off so well done, students and let's see if there's any questions. 468 01:17:03.090 --> 01:17:10.260 Alix: Thank you, thank you um I am going to before we turn it over to questions i'm going to open it up, because this is a. 469 01:17:10.740 --> 01:17:18.420 Alix: A dnc meeting i'm going to open it up to public comment for any questions that they may have, and so, students and everyone, so what the forum will be is. 470 01:17:18.810 --> 01:17:26.430 Alix: Is I will open it up to public comment, they may have comments they may have questions just make a note of them, so you guys can answer the. 471 01:17:27.570 --> 01:17:36.570 Alix: comment and then i'll open it up to the committee for any questions as well too so anyone in the public. 472 01:17:36.600 --> 01:17:42.990 Alix: Who has questions comments, please raise your hand going to give it a minute or two. 473 01:17:47.910 --> 01:17:49.200 Alix: I see one hand up. 474 01:17:56.550 --> 01:18:01.560 Alix: One hand that's it okay i'm Robin just a second i'm going to unmute you. 475 01:18:11.730 --> 01:18:12.210 Alix: Robin. 476 01:18:15.240 --> 01:18:17.190 Alix: You gotta unmute yourself I. 477 01:18:17.460 --> 01:18:18.390 Robin Murez: Think i'm on right. 478 01:18:18.450 --> 01:18:19.740 Alix: There you go you got it yep. 479 01:18:20.730 --> 01:18:30.960 Robin Murez: So I found this to be very interesting and I myself to public art in Dennis and know a lot having to do with the history of Venice. 480 01:18:32.670 --> 01:18:38.640 Robin Murez: I think that what you all did, it would be really interesting to maybe. 481 01:18:40.650 --> 01:18:41.040 Robin Murez: well. 482 01:18:42.150 --> 01:19:01.920 Robin Murez: i'm just bewildered by the fact that our city is imposing on us or trying to impose this monster on the median and how all of the students with the most basic amount of research came up with all of the aspects that the monster does not address like the. 483 01:19:03.000 --> 01:19:08.640 Robin Murez: scale of the homes and the buildings and the need for flood. 484 01:19:09.660 --> 01:19:22.890 Robin Murez: You know surfaces and for the history to be respected, and so, if there's any way to have any of your students look at some of the alternatives for that site, I think that would be excellent. 485 01:19:24.570 --> 01:19:36.840 Robin Murez: Also, I think some of the elements, they have about oakwood are not quite accurate but but well done and I just I know more of the history than what they. 486 01:19:38.160 --> 01:19:47.760 Robin Murez: Things that they they were relying on or not actually accurate but it's good to see some new ideas and different suggestions and thank you. 487 01:19:48.900 --> 01:19:49.710 Alix: Thank you, Robin. 488 01:19:59.490 --> 01:20:06.240 Alix: And I see no more hands up so with that I am closing public comment and. 489 01:20:07.830 --> 01:20:21.480 Alix: For anyone in the committee, who has some questions so we don't just devolve into talking over each other just raise your hands and all and all sort of calling you one by one, Chris you went up first Barry you went up second. 490 01:20:23.940 --> 01:20:24.870 Alix: Then, that really. 491 01:20:25.980 --> 01:20:27.960 Alix: Great i'm going to start with Chris. 492 01:20:29.130 --> 01:20:33.090 Chris Plourde: I beat very by maybe an eighth of a second. 493 01:20:38.100 --> 01:20:42.210 Chris Plourde: I am very impressed by all of these presentations and I want to thank. 494 01:20:43.290 --> 01:20:49.440 Chris Plourde: You for all these presentations i'm wondering if any of the students or any of the teams. 495 01:20:50.670 --> 01:20:51.540 Chris Plourde: Did any kind of. 496 01:20:52.920 --> 01:20:54.900 Chris Plourde: have anything to feedback about. 497 01:20:56.070 --> 01:20:57.990 Chris Plourde: fencing and how fencing. 498 01:20:59.760 --> 01:21:19.980 Chris Plourde: Which is put in place, often for security, sometimes to delineate boundaries of my property versus your property but fencing is gets in the way of what everybody has talked about in terms of flow of Community and I live on a block where, in the 1970s, there were no fences. 499 01:21:21.030 --> 01:21:28.290 Chris Plourde: There were no fence and now every single property has a fence six feet high and its side. 500 01:21:29.370 --> 01:21:38.490 Chris Plourde: goes to the back and along the front edge 4142 inches or something to write on the walk and it. 501 01:21:39.120 --> 01:21:55.110 Chris Plourde: It when we talk about flow between neighbors and flow through the neighborhood it seems to be a very big thing, and nobody has mentioned that so i'm asking, have you guys have Have you considered how to wean us from our fencing. 502 01:21:58.050 --> 01:21:59.220 Chris Plourde: situation, thank you. 503 01:22:01.470 --> 01:22:05.880 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: It was certainly a big big topic so what the student wants to take this on colon. 504 01:22:07.950 --> 01:22:20.250 Colin Amos: yeah I think so centered and I actually worked together in a group semester, and we talked a lot about like shared open Community spaces, especially when we all kind of talked about these green alleyways, so I think one of the issues of like. 505 01:22:21.180 --> 01:22:34.320 Colin Amos: Making more shared Community spaces might help with that permeability and whenever we talked to the Community that was also one of the things that they always brought up, but I think, based on my understanding, now the six the fence code only allows. 506 01:22:35.550 --> 01:22:39.300 Colin Amos: Three foot high or four foot high fences right now, and people are just skirting. 507 01:22:39.960 --> 01:22:42.930 Chris Plourde: Along along the front, but on the Elliott six feet and. 508 01:22:43.140 --> 01:22:44.310 Alix: I always yeah. 509 01:22:44.550 --> 01:22:45.900 Chris Plourde: And it's six feet on the sides. 510 01:22:46.920 --> 01:22:57.270 Colin Amos: yeah um, so I think like addressing the code on the first on the lake the front, but then I think I know a lot of essential Gala both talked about like building permeability as a. 511 01:22:57.300 --> 01:22:59.310 Colin Amos: big thing has like a theme. 512 01:23:00.540 --> 01:23:01.050 as well. 513 01:23:04.470 --> 01:23:06.540 Sanchit Mehta: yeah I mean when you're talking about. 514 01:23:06.870 --> 01:23:10.890 Colin Amos: The Green alleys our main focus was removing the fences and. 515 01:23:11.670 --> 01:23:21.420 Sanchit Mehta: You know the the Community Members were talking about how some of the Community members in the past have given up the whole parcel of land just to you know, come up with a. 516 01:23:22.290 --> 01:23:31.410 Sanchit Mehta: green space for students or for kids to play around with it so that's what the Green alley that's how the green alli was kind of like. 517 01:23:31.890 --> 01:23:41.370 Sanchit Mehta: conceptualized and how about, we take the backyards or how about, we take the garages and convert them into spaces that can be used so. 518 01:23:42.060 --> 01:23:55.740 Sanchit Mehta: kind of like getting into that territory of reducing the fence area fenced area and giving it back to the public, so that was again like the the basis of our value system. 519 01:24:01.170 --> 01:24:03.720 Chris Plourde: But, did you discuss how to achieve that. 520 01:24:07.380 --> 01:24:09.090 Chris Plourde: Not a great length. 521 01:24:09.690 --> 01:24:11.640 Sanchit Mehta: What we were doing was kind of like. 522 01:24:14.280 --> 01:24:25.170 Sanchit Mehta: I mean it's more like a Community involvement thing, and you know how Community responds to those kind of we haven't done like a public comments or like a market survey of sad but. 523 01:24:26.280 --> 01:24:34.980 Sanchit Mehta: Show I mean well as those I think more of a design proposal then like a regulation or like them towards men kind of the pain. 524 01:24:35.280 --> 01:24:35.850 Chris Plourde: or well I. 525 01:24:36.990 --> 01:24:56.100 Chris Plourde: I think I think it's a great idea and I think the real challenge is how to incentivize somebody who paid $2 million for the ground to take down the wall, but they've constructed because they want to preserve their $2 million investment against any encroachment. 526 01:25:00.240 --> 01:25:08.700 Chris Plourde: yeah that's true, I mean we did talk about some in incentivizing but we didn't have anything we thought too much deep into that. 527 01:25:10.110 --> 01:25:12.690 But yeah that's that's one definitely a thing that you. 528 01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:19.260 Chris Plourde: Thank you, and I think you guys did a great job. 529 01:25:19.290 --> 01:25:21.600 Chris Plourde: All of your presentations for excellent Thank you. 530 01:25:22.410 --> 01:25:23.280 Thanks Barry. 531 01:25:27.270 --> 01:25:34.200 barrycassilly: yeah hi um I thought that the presentations are pretty varied. 532 01:25:35.700 --> 01:26:02.130 barrycassilly: And I was really impressed with a lot that was going on, particularly love the idea of replacing as much as possible of Venice thoroughfares with things that would be more amenable to pedestrian use like canals and pretty much every presenter talked about using alleys. 533 01:26:03.450 --> 01:26:10.260 barrycassilly: In more creative ways that were more pedestrian and Community friendly other than just for cars to get in their garages. 534 01:26:11.520 --> 01:26:25.920 barrycassilly: I like I really liked especially this idea of like adding canals back to us on and but um there was some stuff that also bothered me um. 535 01:26:26.700 --> 01:26:46.410 barrycassilly: I was bothered by the repeated mention of gentrification without any mention of the cause of gentrification um I was happy when we finally heard from caitlin i'm who would work with Naomi um but. 536 01:26:47.940 --> 01:26:53.250 barrycassilly: I was curious and i'd like to ask caitlin about this um you know. 537 01:26:54.330 --> 01:27:05.640 barrycassilly: The focus of our presentation was California avenue and the viewer data Center but right across from the very data Center was a. 538 01:27:06.930 --> 01:27:33.630 barrycassilly: medium density low income housing project that had been built a largely with input from Naomi on Nightingale i'm a project which had been i'm down zoned out of existence on in the oakland neighborhood and I was you know. 539 01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:51.540 barrycassilly: downs, and he was mentioned a caitlyn you mentioned down sunny but um I I like I wanted to hear more about how Downs on you related to the lack of low income housing. 540 01:27:52.260 --> 01:28:02.880 barrycassilly: being built in Venice, for the last 30 years um and and the changes in the neighborhood have more to say with kaitlyn i'd like i'd like to get you to respond. 541 01:28:04.410 --> 01:28:04.680 Katelyn Lentz: yeah. 542 01:28:04.710 --> 01:28:04.950 No. 543 01:28:06.180 --> 01:28:18.960 Katelyn Lentz: um yeah so for the first question um I think yeah for the down zoning that happened I focus primarily on not as much the residential but. 544 01:28:19.650 --> 01:28:36.240 Katelyn Lentz: dabbling a little bit in that and i'm the actually didn't hear much about Naomi or from the movie about the housing that she spearheaded there but um I think introducing. 545 01:28:37.680 --> 01:28:46.650 Katelyn Lentz: Introducing the housing in ways that would be able to be I think more permeable and more strategic like looking at. 546 01:28:47.100 --> 01:29:01.050 Katelyn Lentz: These more open spaces, there are a few open spaces, where we could put housing and the thing that definitely got that is a huge thing i'm Sorry, I hope that answers, the first question. 547 01:29:01.470 --> 01:29:03.000 barrycassilly: No you're doing a good job, thank you. 548 01:29:04.380 --> 01:29:08.130 Katelyn Lentz: And then the second one, for how that's impacting. 549 01:29:09.690 --> 01:29:11.310 Katelyn Lentz: As we've seen with. 550 01:29:12.360 --> 01:29:20.370 Katelyn Lentz: These wealthier residents in primarily light residents coming in it's It really is a fight in the Community and. 551 01:29:20.820 --> 01:29:29.550 Katelyn Lentz: i'm starting to push out some of this original African American Community that was here that owned the mom and pop stores. 552 01:29:30.540 --> 01:29:45.450 Katelyn Lentz: And so just hearing that from Naomi and other people living there, it was really eye opening and interesting and you can see, it can see the large fences these large homes i'm starting to take away from the original topic that was there. 553 01:29:46.530 --> 01:29:48.660 Katelyn Lentz: So that was really powerful. 554 01:29:50.610 --> 01:29:53.190 barrycassilly: yeah I think I have a follow up question or two. 555 01:29:53.310 --> 01:30:00.840 Alix: Eric can I turn this over to matt for a second, so we can get everybody in place to have supplements will go back to your. 556 01:30:01.860 --> 01:30:02.670 Alix: Day thanks matt. 557 01:30:06.930 --> 01:30:25.470 Matthew Royce: i'm really impressed with your work, I went to graduate school in 2005 so I very, very impressed with the word, I can tell how much work and hours you put into it very well done, especially all the renderings of the very data Center that was. 558 01:30:26.880 --> 01:30:29.460 Matthew Royce: It seemed like it took to committee nice to make that. 559 01:30:32.340 --> 01:30:42.960 Matthew Royce: yeah a couple things so I was really intrigued with the idea of flooded streets, I think that that's a very innovative solution for the civil rights issue. 560 01:30:44.100 --> 01:30:47.370 Matthew Royce: I wonder, though I don't know if you've heard about the. 561 01:30:48.720 --> 01:30:58.290 Matthew Royce: The theory or I don't know how this can work, but when sea level rise occurs there's a chance that the ground water level with rice also. 562 01:30:59.730 --> 01:31:02.280 Matthew Royce: So I don't know if you've thought about that much. 563 01:31:03.660 --> 01:31:10.230 Colin Amos: yeah we thought about that, during the thought process and doing kind of like there were a couple assumptions, I had to make be like we're not we're not sure. 564 01:31:10.860 --> 01:31:15.180 Colin Amos: I talked to like normal person from via Venice planning for. 565 01:31:15.600 --> 01:31:25.260 Colin Amos: This you kind of have their like we don't know, maybe he's I was, like all right well let's operate under the assumption that the water is going to come from the canals and like that, from the ocean so but yeah. 566 01:31:25.860 --> 01:31:29.550 Colin Amos: Groundwater table rising would definitely throw a whole wrench into this as well. 567 01:31:30.810 --> 01:31:39.300 Matthew Royce: yeah maybe perhaps one solution to that is that the canals mean you have to be in line with concrete liner that's heavy enough to counteract that. 568 01:31:40.410 --> 01:31:42.540 Matthew Royce: This is getting really nerdy and how the uplift pressure. 569 01:31:43.740 --> 01:31:44.340 Matthew Royce: The groundwater. 570 01:31:47.010 --> 01:31:55.620 Alix: Her jack there because we did that I believe in the La river and below the creek and that's been problematic on an environmental level for variety of reasons, but. 571 01:31:55.740 --> 01:32:03.930 Matthew Royce: i'm sure sure sure yeah yeah but that could be it could be hidden piece of infrastructure and then it looks for organic and natural on top, but anyway. 572 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:06.870 Matthew Royce: that's that's to be taught. 573 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.400 Matthew Royce: And then just a Defense issue i'll just say really quick. 574 01:32:12.750 --> 01:32:29.490 Matthew Royce: I thought, a lot about that I don't actually build the project from the corner of Seventh and broadway is one of the first projects that are built and I purposely made the fences very transparent and low where I could the Community and review like that. 575 01:32:31.110 --> 01:32:48.540 Matthew Royce: My own house currently that where it is, I put a little fence and part of it, and I, and in the past few months have had intruders hop over it very easily one of them was armed with a gun i've had multiple police standoffs in my neighborhood. 576 01:32:50.940 --> 01:33:03.030 Matthew Royce: So well I love the idea of low fences and everyone walking around kumbaya whether they want, and I think looks much better elephants, the reality is that we live in a high crime time. 577 01:33:04.350 --> 01:33:16.020 Matthew Royce: And I know i'm speaking to Community Members who also experienced this doctrine, the 1980s and 90s, that that is sort of some other reason why a lot of hyphens still exists in Venice. 578 01:33:16.980 --> 01:33:24.390 Matthew Royce: it's just this this fear of someone hopping over and I never thought that would happen to me but it's happened to me a couple times the past few months. 579 01:33:25.410 --> 01:33:26.910 Matthew Royce: So that's just something to think about. 580 01:33:27.150 --> 01:33:35.820 Chris Plourde: And, Madam, with you, I built a house in 2007 and had no fence on the front and immediately my front yard became a park. 581 01:33:38.280 --> 01:33:43.080 Matthew Royce: yeah so sometimes the green runs out that's all that's all i'm saying. 582 01:33:43.380 --> 01:33:53.760 Chris Plourde: yeah know that that's why i'm asking the question because all of the architectural things envision this flow, but the flow gets impeded by things that we have to do to be safe. 583 01:33:54.480 --> 01:33:59.610 Matthew Royce: yeah but but an amazing job over although it's really impressive presentation. 584 01:34:00.030 --> 01:34:06.120 Sanchit Mehta: Thank you so much, something can add something to the fencing thing I was just thinking about what you were going through. 585 01:34:06.720 --> 01:34:22.650 Sanchit Mehta: And one of the courses, which was the defensible space theory, so how this this kind of becomes like an urban planning issue and urban design issue where you have to have accountability of the space right now the spaces that are in front of the yards. 586 01:34:24.060 --> 01:34:36.510 Sanchit Mehta: given to the cause and not to the public, there is no public activity, which I think encourages the intruders to come into that space after say like 7pm or if it gets dark. 587 01:34:36.870 --> 01:34:49.110 Sanchit Mehta: So that that that defensible space theory is like you know the Community members, the people who are living here, they should have the ownership of that space, which makes that. 588 01:34:49.830 --> 01:34:58.290 Sanchit Mehta: place a safe space and then you have just four lanes of cars do for parking and two for driving there's no space for the people to walk. 589 01:34:58.890 --> 01:35:16.170 Sanchit Mehta: On the sidewalks are taken over so those things kind of like playing too, I think that might play into having those larger fences and not pulling them down because they you know they are free, after seven to jump into any of the over the fences. 590 01:35:17.040 --> 01:35:22.530 Chris Plourde: Sure, and I just want to mention I live on a walk street there are no cars. 591 01:35:24.270 --> 01:35:26.850 Chris Plourde: But it is, it is an issue. 592 01:35:34.980 --> 01:35:35.430 Alix: um. 593 01:35:36.720 --> 01:35:37.770 Alix: Man is that is that all. 594 01:35:38.040 --> 01:35:42.990 Alix: yeah great because I see your hand up i'm gonna say something first and i'll go to mchale and. 595 01:35:45.180 --> 01:35:51.180 Alix: send to mchale chimeras was supposed to be public comment and back to Jim and then to bury. 596 01:35:51.660 --> 01:36:08.610 Alix: um so I was really first of all great great presentation and glad he had mentioned you guys were working on this, so i'm so thrilled that you finally come to to loop back it's been a really innovative presentation with lots of diversity, I think is very pointed out. 597 01:36:09.780 --> 01:36:19.470 Alix: Like matt I was intrigued by the idea of edible streets and I love the idea for Abbot kinney to have that into sort of a canal and walk straight, I thought that was super interesting. 598 01:36:20.550 --> 01:36:30.360 Alix: Using the alleyways I happen to have an alley off of my office my house and it's it's rarely used and the one thing I would have loved to see more mentioned of. 599 01:36:30.780 --> 01:36:40.410 Alix: is more communal gardens, and in these alleyways because I think gardening brings great community and it's also great for healthy, nutritious food, so I think. 600 01:36:41.190 --> 01:36:56.910 Alix: caitlyn or asked her you mentioned it to I believe in one of one of the girls I forget her name is presentation, but I would have loved to have seen more of that incorporated I think if we can have our local food sources i'm going to share food source that would be great. 601 01:36:58.110 --> 01:37:04.890 Alix: It was really interesting also to hear the comments about small business and. 602 01:37:05.910 --> 01:37:15.960 Alix: I to miss the small businesses, and I think it's something that we have to sort of look at in a larger context, if any of you listen to Robert Kennedy jr he speaks about. 603 01:37:16.650 --> 01:37:24.450 Alix: In this last Kovac crisis how so millions of small businesses and specifically minority owned businesses are shuttered. 604 01:37:24.960 --> 01:37:34.740 Alix: On there is a transfer of wealth, up to the technocracy the that Amazon Facebook, etc, etc, and so. 605 01:37:35.160 --> 01:37:44.820 Alix: If we really want small business that which I think we do, we should figure out and that's maybe not a wendy's conversation, but what is the type of. 606 01:37:45.360 --> 01:37:56.160 Alix: What is the type of shopping that we want to do and what type of policies do we want in place that push away from constantly channeling money up to big box retailers and. 607 01:37:56.970 --> 01:38:06.360 Alix: places like Amazon versus small business owners, so I was glad to hear the small business brought up, but I think it's a larger conversation, of how we address it. 608 01:38:07.140 --> 01:38:13.890 Alix: and see it other thing that wasn't brought up that I would have liked to have seen is you know we have conversations about density we're going into a drought. 609 01:38:14.370 --> 01:38:31.290 Alix: And our infrastructure is at capacity and so i'm always curious as to where the water is going to come for the increase of people and then, finally, on the issue of cars, you know I know that everybody wants to move away from cars. 610 01:38:33.120 --> 01:38:36.780 Alix: And I think there will be a move away from that, but I don't think it's going to be. 611 01:38:38.190 --> 01:38:43.140 Alix: anytime in the near future, and I think it's going to be a mixed way of doing things. 612 01:38:43.440 --> 01:38:52.680 Alix: So I heard an interesting presentation from the Mar vista community which has a much older population and they were only using their cars, for example, to go to. 613 01:38:53.100 --> 01:38:58.860 Alix: The grocery store once a week, maybe do a doctor's appointment and maybe to the nail salon or or something like that. 614 01:38:59.370 --> 01:39:06.570 Alix: At a big tlc development was going up and it wasn't being properly park and all the residents were very nervous about that. 615 01:39:06.960 --> 01:39:18.840 Alix: Well, they came up with a solution, they realized that most people weren't using their car, so much so, they the developer I forget where they're using a shared electrical vehicle lot but they're giving. 616 01:39:19.230 --> 01:39:23.310 Alix: Basically, free used to you know, a certain residents within a certain. 617 01:39:24.240 --> 01:39:33.330 Alix: radius of this development right to these electric share cars for their errands and all these people are going to be able to get rid of their cars, now that works there because of the population. 618 01:39:33.660 --> 01:39:38.100 Alix: But I think what we see if you have children that most and i've seen it with every one of my friends. 619 01:39:38.400 --> 01:39:50.280 Alix: was soon as they have one or two kids you know all of a sudden, it goes from biking and scooters to a minivan so if we have a family friendly Community sort of what does that look like not sort of it but great job. 620 01:39:51.540 --> 01:39:54.630 Alix: Really informative and and thank you guys. 621 01:40:01.710 --> 01:40:07.320 Alix: mchale and if anyone wants to address any of the things I just brought up please feel free I just threw those things out there. 622 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:25.950 Michael Jensen: um first I think i'm sorry I was late, so I came in, in the middle of the presentation, but I think it's so refreshing to hear from students, partly because you you you don't have the baggage of the real world design problems and catering, to the. 623 01:40:27.210 --> 01:40:37.470 Michael Jensen: to your eventual clients and and the political baggage that exists in like this neighborhood, for instance, so it's just it's so refreshing to see. 624 01:40:39.180 --> 01:40:59.640 Michael Jensen: Design concepts that sort of jettison everything we really assume it's like the as our as our norms here and to see stuff like flooded with canals, which I thought was just sort of a brilliant concept converting major thoroughfares to walking the streets. 625 01:41:01.110 --> 01:41:12.300 Michael Jensen: You know, building elevated modular multifamily housing, you know stuff that you just never see here, and I think that's something that. 626 01:41:13.290 --> 01:41:21.960 Michael Jensen: You guys have the I think sort of a privilege and not have not being weighed down by all these practical concerns that typically dictate. 627 01:41:22.770 --> 01:41:41.820 Michael Jensen: design, but I had a couple of so I had a couple of questions and I think one of them, one of them was in I think sanjeev presentation, you had you noted that I think some certain cut off of like houses before 1946 or something like that, and the awkward area. 628 01:41:42.900 --> 01:41:56.520 Michael Jensen: necessitating preservation sort of just like categorically and I, my my question is, is there a particular reason that we other than things being old. 629 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:13.950 Michael Jensen: You know, and just preserving things that are built from pre 1945 when building standards are not as high you know environmentally they they leak air so they're you know they're not energy efficient they pretty much you know terrible places to. 630 01:42:15.180 --> 01:42:16.320 Michael Jensen: to live are we. 631 01:42:18.870 --> 01:42:34.110 Michael Jensen: You know, at some point, these things have to get turned over to new construction and doing that, in a way that I think makes sense and provides a spectrum of housing needs to you know middle income low income workforce housing that kind of stuff. 632 01:42:35.220 --> 01:42:36.510 Michael Jensen: So is there a particular. 633 01:42:40.050 --> 01:42:45.720 Michael Jensen: Reason that that year, or that you know category of homes are just sort of going to be preserved. 634 01:42:48.930 --> 01:42:51.090 Michael Jensen: By virtue of the fact that they're old. 635 01:42:52.200 --> 01:42:57.270 Michael Jensen: And then on this down zoning and I think Barry mentioned this to. 636 01:42:58.890 --> 01:43:15.180 Michael Jensen: Venice has gone through this sort of like four decades long process of being of down zoning a lot of buildings that we are you know, trying to preserve as affordable housing, but you could never build that today and. 637 01:43:16.740 --> 01:43:21.300 Michael Jensen: Drawing that connection between why we have you know, a lack of housing. 638 01:43:23.280 --> 01:43:36.420 Michael Jensen: Because of the zoning that has occurred, I think the causation there it's just a necessary thing to bring up but I mean my only question, I guess, my question is just the first part of it, you know why preserve old things just because they're all. 639 01:43:39.600 --> 01:43:40.710 Thank you for your question. 640 01:43:41.820 --> 01:43:55.410 Sanchit Mehta: I think 319 45 what we came up with was most importantly, the modernist architecture that came into being, was after kind of like 1940s 1950s, I would say. 641 01:43:55.710 --> 01:44:08.790 Sanchit Mehta: The World War Two when you know, the world was redeveloping so they needed more facile means of construction and that's when like you know, taking off the old houses and bringing in the new ones came into being. 642 01:44:09.810 --> 01:44:13.320 Sanchit Mehta: That being said, preserving old houses is like. 643 01:44:14.340 --> 01:44:25.200 Sanchit Mehta: We have a historical conservation program at usc as well and I took a couple of classes there, so how did they kind of like preserve the old houses given like. 644 01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:43.320 Sanchit Mehta: You have those elements that were maybe designed in 1920s 1905 craftsman houses and all of that stuff that brings in a lot of history and a lot of context into the Community, which again brings into the character of how the communities does love. 645 01:44:44.340 --> 01:44:51.390 Sanchit Mehta: And I think most of these houses, which are all the ones they are being preserved and they are being under as. 646 01:44:51.780 --> 01:44:58.920 Michael Jensen: A lot of conservatory authorities do they take it under them and retrofit it with the modern technologies but. 647 01:44:59.310 --> 01:45:04.290 Sanchit Mehta: i'm like retaining the design language retaining the the presence of. 648 01:45:05.430 --> 01:45:11.400 Sanchit Mehta: That particular house that was built by a particular architect, which has a lot of historical context, a lot of. 649 01:45:12.450 --> 01:45:16.530 Sanchit Mehta: circle back around to it, so I think preservation. 650 01:45:17.100 --> 01:45:29.190 Sanchit Mehta: Is is a is a different thing than just like taking them off, and I think how cotton also mentioned how a political house lived in 2008 and how it looks like in 2021. 651 01:45:29.550 --> 01:45:41.850 Sanchit Mehta: Is has so much difference and the developers of taking it over and I think that brings in you know pushing the Community outwards and then bringing the developers in just to maximize profits and. 652 01:45:42.690 --> 01:45:54.900 Sanchit Mehta: Again, one more thing was how the demographics, is a lot of younger generation is here, but there's also generation that is growing older, which has been in the oakland community, and they need to have. 653 01:45:55.410 --> 01:46:12.300 Sanchit Mehta: We need to have those kind of like the traditions that flows down from generation to generation in the family, so I think preserving these old houses is kind of essential to maintain the character and take the history forward to the next generations. 654 01:46:15.510 --> 01:46:23.310 Alix: sounded if there's anything you could send to us, and I could distribute to the Community on on like the historical significance that certain buildings. 655 01:46:23.700 --> 01:46:32.280 Alix: That would be certainly i'm very hopeful and i'm sure the community at large, would like to see that as well to show yeah I could do that Thank you. 656 01:46:35.430 --> 01:46:36.570 Alix: i'm Jim. 657 01:46:36.600 --> 01:46:39.720 Alix: Even though your public but come on in. 658 01:46:40.680 --> 01:46:41.220 Public. 659 01:46:42.600 --> 01:46:46.770 james murez: Public but the president's role buys me something once in a while. 660 01:46:47.580 --> 01:46:49.650 james murez: Exactly, let me turn on the light. 661 01:46:50.850 --> 01:47:01.830 james murez: Now, I just want to say that this is refreshing I remember hearing several similar points of view back in the 80s, when the coastal conservancy. 662 01:47:02.850 --> 01:47:11.550 james murez: came into the Community before we had the coastal Commission and our land use plan and everybody sat around and in. 663 01:47:12.330 --> 01:47:23.100 james murez: Westminster elementary school on these tables that were 10 feet long and four feet wide and everybody drew on them what they would like to see, and how they would like to see the the Community. 664 01:47:23.610 --> 01:47:30.300 james murez: evolved and there was a lot of waterways and a lot of discussions about bringing canals back that once we're here and. 665 01:47:30.540 --> 01:47:41.280 james murez: How great that would be how it would be increased property values and seeing abbott Kenny turn into a walk street with the canal down and, like the Dutch I mean what a great concept. 666 01:47:41.970 --> 01:47:50.400 james murez: I just wanted to compliment you guys it's it's really refreshing to see this, I also want to tell you that that the concept of the alleys it's nothing new. 667 01:47:50.760 --> 01:48:02.010 james murez: And, and the the city actually through the department of public works about 15 years ago discontinued a program That was a privatizing of the alleys. 668 01:48:02.250 --> 01:48:11.550 james murez: And if you could get 60% of the people on your alley to all agree to close it off on both ends, you could turn it into a private alley. 669 01:48:11.910 --> 01:48:19.080 james murez: And you could turn it into a green parkway and you could make it into a dog run and you could have gardens all the of all I wanted was. 670 01:48:19.290 --> 01:48:28.350 james murez: To have it possible for the fire department to be able to unlock the gate in the case of an emergency and drive through so you guys are right on target, just so you know. 671 01:48:29.010 --> 01:48:30.870 james murez: you're you're thinking, the same way that. 672 01:48:31.500 --> 01:48:45.150 james murez: Some of the earlier politicians in our city believed was a good thing to do, for neighborhoods and and it's really great to have you here, thank you for doing this and, by the way this is being recorded So if you ever want to share it with your friends more than welcome to thank you. 673 01:48:48.030 --> 01:48:50.760 Alix: and going back to Barry. 674 01:48:52.620 --> 01:49:01.050 barrycassilly: Okay um, I would like to plug caitlin for a minute more, but essentially brought up a couple things that. 675 01:49:03.000 --> 01:49:05.550 made me want to address a couple questions to him. 676 01:49:07.890 --> 01:49:14.460 barrycassilly: With respect to these pre 1945 or whatever houses, I was wondering if it came up in. 677 01:49:15.510 --> 01:49:33.990 barrycassilly: Any of your all's investigations that up until the 1970s on Venice was largely not a community of permanent residents that um it was predominantly a seasonal community and that. 678 01:49:34.680 --> 01:49:35.550 Alix: pretty much. 679 01:49:35.640 --> 01:49:38.520 barrycassilly: All the houses that. 680 01:49:39.270 --> 01:49:43.710 Alix: were built pre 1945 were seasonal rental houses, they were. 681 01:49:43.710 --> 01:49:53.310 barrycassilly: never intended for to be permanent occupancy houses i'm just wondering if that like fundamental um. 682 01:49:54.390 --> 01:49:57.030 barrycassilly: aspect of Venice history ever came up. 683 01:50:00.870 --> 01:50:18.420 Sanchit Mehta: And thank you for your question, I think the fundamental aspect of Venice, in particular, did not come up as such, but in general the La conservancy is one of the biggest conservancy where they preserve the historical houses all over la. 684 01:50:19.470 --> 01:50:24.060 Sanchit Mehta: From Spanish arrivals to craftsman houses and I think it's more based on. 685 01:50:25.410 --> 01:50:40.020 Sanchit Mehta: Retaining the architecture value of those houses, even though they were like maybe not all of those houses were passed on from generation to generation in a family, but still, they still have like an architecture value or like a. 686 01:50:41.610 --> 01:50:52.440 Sanchit Mehta: I think, which is the character, which is all around I think la is when you have those Spanish courtyard houses in West Hollywood that are that have. 687 01:50:52.980 --> 01:50:57.180 Sanchit Mehta: figured you need to have a certain parameters to preserve it and cannot have. 688 01:50:58.020 --> 01:51:06.780 Sanchit Mehta: You cannot slap on the modern kind of windows on to where you cannot have fences over three feet So these are these are kind of like the registry things that. 689 01:51:07.260 --> 01:51:17.610 Sanchit Mehta: I got to I got to learn this from one of the courses that I took that this exists, so I think it was a really interesting take on how to preserve architecture. 690 01:51:19.500 --> 01:51:34.080 barrycassilly: um there's a couple things i'd like to say that sort of you, you touched on um, but I should I should probably say that um I am a preservationist um i've done on. 691 01:51:34.710 --> 01:51:42.360 barrycassilly: More than a few projects in national historic districts some very familiar with a preservationist issues i'm. 692 01:51:43.050 --> 01:51:58.200 barrycassilly: Like the first thing i'd like to touch on is that I don't think any of the small bungalow houses that we're talking about have any architectural merit in a larger sense. 693 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:08.460 barrycassilly: He thinks that their merit is in some people's minds that they're old but as far as as as being architecturally significant. 694 01:52:09.300 --> 01:52:20.640 barrycassilly: it's very, very rare that any of them are our architectural II significant um but also i'm wondering if you're you're you all touched on in your. 695 01:52:21.360 --> 01:52:36.240 barrycassilly: Class on the most significant period of architecture in Venice, which is post 1970 modernist architecture arm Sire was started in in Santa Monica. 696 01:52:36.810 --> 01:52:57.300 barrycassilly: And, most of the students live in South Santa Monica and Venice their first clients were people that lived around them on and oakwood and other neighborhoods in Venice are just dotted with a world famous architecture oh. 697 01:53:03.540 --> 01:53:04.590 barrycassilly: Excuse me. 698 01:53:12.150 --> 01:53:12.870 barrycassilly: i'm on the phone. 699 01:53:15.390 --> 01:53:16.530 barrycassilly: Sorry guys i'm going to. 700 01:53:22.080 --> 01:53:23.550 barrycassilly: Have a very big dog. 701 01:53:26.370 --> 01:53:32.670 barrycassilly: He was wondering if the most significant architectural period in Venice ever came up. 702 01:53:39.060 --> 01:53:52.380 Sanchit Mehta: um yeah I don't think we've been too deep into that that aspect of doing that, but I think I think we just like skim through this topic and came about to like you know yeah 1945 seems like a good. 703 01:53:52.920 --> 01:54:03.360 Sanchit Mehta: Age that a lot of any houses are built upon, I think that that was kind of like a very skim through going through that process of I. 704 01:54:04.980 --> 01:54:10.800 Colin Amos: Think also like it's not maybe not like the individual bungalow or beach house that like. 705 01:54:11.370 --> 01:54:19.800 Colin Amos: In itself as a building is architecturally has a lot of architectural merit, but it's the density and, like the frequency, in which you see them and benefits, I think it's pretty unique. 706 01:54:20.280 --> 01:54:32.880 Colin Amos: And also, when we talk about like building permeability and kind of that like front porch environment that so many of the residents that we talked to have kind of a nostalgia for the design of. 707 01:54:33.360 --> 01:54:48.930 Colin Amos: glow kind of pre 1945 house was really what kind of like pave the way for that with a lot of the modernist like homes and buildings and Venice even they they're incredible and like architecturally significant, but if you're going to talk about like. 708 01:54:55.320 --> 01:54:55.800 barrycassilly: What happened. 709 01:54:56.580 --> 01:54:57.090 Alix: I think he's. 710 01:54:57.150 --> 01:54:58.260 Alix: Calling your screen for. 711 01:54:58.590 --> 01:54:59.040 Colin Amos: A second. 712 01:55:00.360 --> 01:55:02.760 Alix: We missed it, but I said, if you're going to talk about. 713 01:55:03.450 --> 01:55:12.270 Colin Amos: Now okay sorry oh now i'm getting Internet connection is unstable, but I was in we're talking about i'm the kind of like these post more modernist like. 714 01:55:12.810 --> 01:55:24.390 Colin Amos: i'm houses is kind of like what how they act within the Community within the neighborhood fabric, the bungalows end up with with their design kind of be a little bit more permeable and add to that front porch character that are. 715 01:55:24.390 --> 01:55:28.320 barrycassilly: not talking about postmodernist houses we're not telling any postmodernist houses. 716 01:55:28.350 --> 01:55:30.570 Colin Amos: I said i'm not modernist houses. 717 01:55:30.840 --> 01:55:33.810 barrycassilly: Okay we're talking about modernist houses um. 718 01:55:34.890 --> 01:56:00.840 barrycassilly: Okay, look i'd like to move on to a sort of a related but different topic, and it goes back to um naomi's development at the end of California, where it almost runs into epic Kenny and i'm That was a consolidation of lots there um it's an affordable housing project. 719 01:56:01.980 --> 01:56:10.890 barrycassilly: It was built, because a pre 1945 rental homes were torn down. 720 01:56:12.060 --> 01:56:12.450 barrycassilly: um. 721 01:56:13.950 --> 01:56:29.040 barrycassilly: I don't see any way economically that you can have 700 square foot House on a lot, or even two 700 square foot houses and they can in any way be affordable. 722 01:56:29.430 --> 01:56:44.310 barrycassilly: um it seems like they are bound to be extremely expensive tiny homes i'm all the affordable housing projects that I see in Venice and and they're like everywhere and awkward. 723 01:56:45.210 --> 01:57:00.690 barrycassilly: or higher density i'm eight units on one bought or like up to 32 units on combined lots um what I see is that what I see is like real affordable housing. 724 01:57:01.200 --> 01:57:23.610 barrycassilly: arm is these more medium density developments um it looks to me like the the preservation of all these bungalows um would preclude building anything that's affordable and would lock us into super expensive tiny homes i'm Am I like completely wrong. 725 01:57:25.920 --> 01:57:34.410 Esther Margulies: very, very I just say we we showed you five projects at 16 and there were other projects with higher density housing, especially on Lincoln. 726 01:57:35.280 --> 01:57:44.130 Esther Margulies: You know, we couldn't bring everybody here today and I don't think any of our students would make the argument that this is the only solution to housing density and affordability of Venice. 727 01:57:44.550 --> 01:57:53.430 Esther Margulies: The students, really, really looking for creative ways to add housing in various forms, various densities, and I also will say that none of them. 728 01:57:54.000 --> 01:58:03.450 Esther Margulies: are saying there's a blanket preservation of every structure pre 1940s, what they are saying is that was they looked at their subdistrict scale and looked at their. 729 01:58:03.900 --> 01:58:09.150 Esther Margulies: individual projects, they started that by looking at as a filter or lens. 730 01:58:09.480 --> 01:58:21.930 Esther Margulies: To say what is the fabric, what is the potential a potential historic district, or what is the historic fed potential historic fabric here when, especially when survey la is doing a new pass with new input. 731 01:58:22.470 --> 01:58:30.720 Esther Margulies: From the Community so there's these students absolutely positively have not put a lock on every pre 1940 structure here. 732 01:58:31.200 --> 01:58:32.730 Alix: I understand that that's. 733 01:58:32.790 --> 01:58:41.220 Alix: that's what I took away as well, too, and it seemed like there was a diversity of density and solutions for the neighborhood and rather than just saying. 734 01:58:42.210 --> 01:58:54.870 Alix: We need all of one type of housing, it was, how can we preserve character and add housing and I think, to echo what Mike said that's what was so refreshing about all of these different present presentations. 735 01:58:54.960 --> 01:59:14.760 barrycassilly: If I could, if I can respond to Esther um I understand your point, I totally hurt you, but in this survey of the neighborhood it's just striking to me that all of the existing low income housing seems to have been omitted. 736 01:59:15.810 --> 01:59:19.860 barrycassilly: and any discussion of the down zoning that. 737 01:59:20.880 --> 01:59:30.060 barrycassilly: halted and made it impossible to build low income housing in this neighborhood didn't really come up, I mean. 738 01:59:30.510 --> 01:59:32.490 barrycassilly: The student or the fabric of the Community. 739 01:59:32.730 --> 01:59:36.600 Esther Margulies: yeah very we heard from Naomi we heard from dark to offer as. 740 01:59:37.080 --> 01:59:43.920 Esther Margulies: and frank Murphy I think they were very effective in talking about the down zoning really showing how that has. 741 01:59:44.220 --> 01:59:54.030 Esther Margulies: has made the the neighborhood even more exclusive than it was before, and again I don't think any of us, none of the students are you know fighting against this are arguing against it. 742 01:59:55.590 --> 02:00:04.230 Esther Margulies: You know it's it's maybe just not not the front and Center piece of these projects, but I think like Sanchez project is like certainly a higher density. 743 02:00:04.650 --> 02:00:11.100 Esther Margulies: I mean like and so is this one, I mean maybe they would maybe what they haven't done is told you it's or or caitlin to. 744 02:00:11.370 --> 02:00:21.810 Esther Margulies: But maybe they haven't said to you, they haven't made it clear, this is the number of units and the and in in terms that we typically talk about about dwelling units per acre or units per property. 745 02:00:22.230 --> 02:00:27.600 Esther Margulies: But like Sanchez how many units are you proposing in your project and same for you, this one. 746 02:00:28.830 --> 02:00:33.660 Sanchit Mehta: I think I added around hundred units and the area would be. 747 02:00:35.820 --> 02:00:42.690 Really pinpoint what area would be like how they go in, if you have to calculate like to. 748 02:00:44.700 --> 02:00:47.370 Sanchit Mehta: buy around hundred units were added in. 749 02:00:48.450 --> 02:01:05.130 Zixuan Zheng: This one how many units are in your project on rules yeah for me i'm adding like 36 units housing units and the living footage from 3000 like a single are going to over 13,000 like condo with three bedroom unit. 750 02:01:08.160 --> 02:01:10.380 Esther Margulies: Maybe not affordable that you want, but do you have any. 751 02:01:13.050 --> 02:01:17.490 Zixuan Zheng: Like three bedroom housing for like large family oh yeah. 752 02:01:18.390 --> 02:01:23.400 Alix: We we need that three bedroom I mean you need a mix of one bedroom two bedroom three bedroom like. 753 02:01:23.550 --> 02:01:29.580 Alix: we're not we're if we're not having single family house in where's where's the family, with two kids live in. 754 02:01:29.760 --> 02:01:30.390 Alix: Not in one. 755 02:01:31.680 --> 02:01:34.470 barrycassilly: says one and Esther I hear I totally. 756 02:01:35.700 --> 02:01:39.510 barrycassilly: In the point that you're making but all i'm saying is that. 757 02:01:41.040 --> 02:01:52.590 barrycassilly: awkward and most of the rest of Venice arm, it is not like high density low density neighborhood it's it's. 758 02:01:52.620 --> 02:01:53.970 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Generally mean. 759 02:01:54.300 --> 02:01:55.380 barrycassilly: density neighborhood. 760 02:01:56.790 --> 02:02:10.470 barrycassilly: where you have apartment buildings interspersed with lower density buildings, I mean you have this like this, like intimate relationship have a variety of building types and. 761 02:02:11.100 --> 02:02:20.850 barrycassilly: So i'm questioning i'm not opposed to big buildings not opposed to hide the links i'm and i'm not opposed to like large low income projects. 762 02:02:22.050 --> 02:02:30.180 barrycassilly: And I think once we get a lot of housing, everything will be cheaper, so I agree with all that but i'm just questioning arm. 763 02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:42.450 barrycassilly: The approach of I feel like what oakwood and Venice are, which is a medium density neighborhood is not necessarily being recognized here. 764 02:02:43.020 --> 02:02:57.810 barrycassilly: If we have really big buildings on the perimeters and preservation of tons of like 700 square foot homes on on the residential streets that that's completely different than what Dennis has been. 765 02:03:00.690 --> 02:03:05.460 Esther Margulies: it's a good point and a fair point Barry that that Venice was historically. 766 02:03:06.480 --> 02:03:16.860 Esther Margulies: This mix of and they and some of the the students did observe on some of the streets, where you have these eight unit 10 unit apartment complexes and I don't think any of them said. 767 02:03:17.340 --> 02:03:26.370 Esther Margulies: In the future, and all these projects rolling out, these are like 2050 hundred years in the future don't but he said we should never have that again and maybe it's Christoph is your fault. 768 02:03:27.840 --> 02:03:28.350 Esther Margulies: Is. 769 02:03:28.560 --> 02:03:29.460 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: always amazed when. 770 02:03:30.990 --> 02:03:33.210 Esther Margulies: We set this up Barry we kind of. 771 02:03:33.660 --> 02:03:37.620 Esther Margulies: do have a focus like we end up having a focus on the perimeters. 772 02:03:38.190 --> 02:03:55.200 Esther Margulies: And it's and you're right, I mean you have to get inside the neighborhood in the interior, to see that diversity of building type and density and and most of the students like didn't get that far into to really build that in and that's also why there's um why some of these contemporary. 773 02:03:56.580 --> 02:04:01.020 Esther Margulies: landmark structures are not aren't highlighted here because. 774 02:04:01.830 --> 02:04:14.550 Esther Margulies: we're on the we're on the edges and I think a lot of those students also were like really put off by the fences around them that they couldn't see anything and they seem to be sort of anti social, which is a huge problem we have until we are the social problems. 775 02:04:15.870 --> 02:04:24.630 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: I would also, I would also like to add, I think that there's I think there's no right or there's no wrong, you know input this, but this question. 776 02:04:25.140 --> 02:04:35.190 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: I think what what I would like to point out that all of the students but very careful in their assessment of the situation and very careful. 777 02:04:35.640 --> 02:04:48.780 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: With the integration of new structures new buildings within the existing contacts I think that is, that is something that we really should take note of that, it is really always as an attempt by. 778 02:04:48.810 --> 02:04:59.460 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: All of the students to be very cognizant of the environments, that they were planning in, and I think all of them did an amazing job is it right, is it wrong. 779 02:04:59.790 --> 02:05:15.960 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: I think that's not really the question I think it's really more for us as educators, the tasks to lead the students to a very direct and very intimate evaluation of the existing context. 780 02:05:16.590 --> 02:05:17.040 Okay. 781 02:05:18.150 --> 02:05:36.990 barrycassilly: I accept everything everybody said, I just want to say, I did not mean to be like so poignant that on kristoff and Esther you all like had to jump in I feel like caitlin and Sanchez and Sichuan were like. 782 02:05:38.160 --> 02:05:51.510 barrycassilly: They weren't melting, and I really respect them for a you know, having an opinion and i'm you know, making a statement and defending it um so. 783 02:05:52.590 --> 02:05:55.530 barrycassilly: For whatever it's worth you know that's how I feel. 784 02:05:56.190 --> 02:06:11.940 Alix: Well, Chris stuff to echo your thing to your echo your point to this is a leaks here, you know we're we're thinking of like what what our Community might look like in 50 years 100 years and that everyone mentioned the environment mentioned sea level rise. 785 02:06:12.960 --> 02:06:30.210 Alix: mentioned Community mentioned increased green space like looked at innovative ways to deal with with sea level rise, this was as macalso this was refreshing and like and great because these are the things that we need to think about you know I think um. 786 02:06:31.800 --> 02:06:41.790 Alix: yeah I have one more question for the for the group of anyone who wants answered answer, I know that the first Baptist Church was was brought out that's obviously been a hot topic. 787 02:06:42.600 --> 02:06:58.260 Alix: in Venice full disclosure i've always supported the first Baptist church that hasn't always been the case of the dnc um but i'd love to know you know your thoughts on it, and where do you see that going and just your thoughts. 788 02:07:00.240 --> 02:07:09.150 Esther Margulies: We did have one of our students, last year we had a student who looked at the first Baptist site, this year we have a student who looked at the first Baptist site and. 789 02:07:10.980 --> 02:07:34.020 Esther Margulies: If I can briefly summarize like Christopher fill in the existing structure first Baptist remains it is preserved and reinterpreted as a community use, but what I what we see from the students year over year is thinking about that site as a whole site, the parking lots and creating. 790 02:07:35.370 --> 02:07:45.450 Esther Margulies: Like very expansive Community facilities their education, culture, housing co working space, I mean they don't just. 791 02:07:46.200 --> 02:07:59.910 Esther Margulies: They haven't just made a decision about should we keep the building or not, and you know what what which we do they really look at the whole site, as a community serving complex and way to expand the liquid recreation Center open space. 792 02:08:04.410 --> 02:08:11.130 Alix: Thank you so that was super helpful does anybody else have questions in the in the committee. 793 02:08:15.090 --> 02:08:16.980 Alix: No, I see no hands. 794 02:08:21.480 --> 02:08:34.170 Alix: Great well i'm happy holidays to everybody, thank you for joining us, this has been really I think I can speak on behalf of the whole committee that's been here super super informative and. 795 02:08:34.830 --> 02:08:48.270 Alix: I hope you'll keep looking at our agendas and pop in from from time to time and and here's some of the things that we're talking about you said Christophe I think you said you mentioned you live here in Venice and and thank you. 796 02:08:50.280 --> 02:08:51.120 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: thanks for having us. 797 02:08:53.190 --> 02:08:54.630 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: The media next summit, sir. 798 02:08:55.200 --> 02:08:55.770 Alix: what's that. 799 02:08:56.970 --> 02:08:59.160 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Maybe we tackle the median projects. 800 02:08:59.190 --> 02:08:59.850 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Next year. 801 02:09:02.520 --> 02:09:04.470 Esther Margulies: Thanks thanks for the opportunity and. 802 02:09:05.940 --> 02:09:15.510 Esther Margulies: You know this, this is the kind of conversation that we can't you know replicate for the students in the classroom environment Thank you so much for your questions and probing into their projects. 803 02:09:16.110 --> 02:09:22.830 Alix: Well, I asked her we can't replicate it to when we're having conversations about the Community plan update as well also and so. 804 02:09:23.280 --> 02:09:32.580 Alix: You know, I think it gives everyone like food for thought as we think about things that we want to see or or don't see it, and perhaps the sea level rise and environment you guys will dig into. 805 02:09:32.850 --> 02:09:42.870 Alix: The beach, and perhaps preserving wetlands and and dunes on the be helpless with flooding and environmental sensitivity sorry i'm that i'm one of the surfers of the groups. 806 02:09:44.640 --> 02:09:46.020 Alix: coastlines important. 807 02:09:48.240 --> 02:09:48.810 Alix: Thank you guys. 808 02:09:50.280 --> 02:09:55.020 Christof Jantzen, FAIA: Thank you and thank you students for for making the time presenting tonight that was great. 809 02:09:59.880 --> 02:10:01.680 Alix: Thank you guys I. 810 02:10:02.250 --> 02:10:02.610 say. 811 02:10:06.210 --> 02:10:06.960 Alix: i'm. 812 02:10:08.190 --> 02:10:19.620 Alix: So people it's nine o'clock we have another motion on the agenda, I don't see a lot of people in the public and wondering if anyone wants to. 813 02:10:23.160 --> 02:10:25.920 Alix: possibly think about continuing it in the New Year. 814 02:10:27.780 --> 02:10:29.820 Michael Jensen: Is mark here. 815 02:10:30.300 --> 02:10:31.740 barrycassilly: I would love to continue. 816 02:10:34.020 --> 02:10:39.120 Alix: You know i'm just throwing that out there someone's got an someone's gotta make a motion. 817 02:10:40.230 --> 02:10:41.070 Michael Jensen: Very make it. 818 02:10:41.970 --> 02:10:46.590 barrycassilly: make a what is it a motion to continue to the New Year. 819 02:10:47.010 --> 02:10:48.030 Chris Plourde: I would second that. 820 02:10:49.050 --> 02:10:49.590 Alix: there's that. 821 02:10:50.160 --> 02:10:50.670 Chris. 822 02:11:00.090 --> 02:11:00.390 Alix: Chris. 823 02:11:01.650 --> 02:11:03.870 Michael Jensen: To take public comments on that forum. 824 02:11:07.980 --> 02:11:09.060 Michael Jensen: Sorry for asking. 825 02:11:10.410 --> 02:11:12.600 Michael Jensen: That was such a stupid thing to ask. 826 02:11:12.690 --> 02:11:15.000 Chris Plourde: On emotion, to continue I don't think so. 827 02:11:16.590 --> 02:11:18.210 Michael Jensen: Okay i'll believe it. 828 02:11:22.170 --> 02:11:23.700 Alix: No, I don't I think. 829 02:11:24.480 --> 02:11:25.710 james murez: No leaks you don't yeah. 830 02:11:25.890 --> 02:11:27.480 Alix: We don't who is that. 831 02:11:28.920 --> 02:11:29.610 james murez: Your rose. 832 02:11:29.940 --> 02:11:32.100 Alix: Thank you, Jim Thank you Jim. 833 02:11:33.660 --> 02:11:39.120 Alix: Okay we're going to take a vote Barry made the motion to continue this to the New Year, Chris a second did it. 834 02:11:40.200 --> 02:11:40.890 Alix: cal. 835 02:11:41.580 --> 02:11:42.060 Yes. 836 02:11:43.170 --> 02:11:43.800 Alix: matt. 837 02:11:45.360 --> 02:11:45.870 Matthew Royce: Yes. 838 02:11:46.440 --> 02:11:48.510 Alix: And i'm a yes on that as well too. 839 02:11:50.100 --> 02:11:55.290 Alix: I will see everybody in the new year happy holidays. 840 02:11:56.430 --> 02:11:57.780 Michael Jensen: Happy holidays everybody. 841 02:11:58.260 --> 02:12:07.290 Alix: And everybody also I know there's been projects and cases aside like before the New Year you guys all, let me what you're where you're at on your various things. 842 02:12:08.400 --> 02:12:09.090 Alix: Please. 843 02:12:12.630 --> 02:12:15.090 Chris Plourde: I will do that Alex i'll send you an email. 844 02:12:15.510 --> 02:12:17.730 Alix: Thank you meeting adjourned.