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james murez: today.

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james murez: Just on the highway on that is.

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james murez: amazing I got two.

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james murez: three.

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james murez: yeah.

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james murez: today.

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james murez: Can you hear.

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james murez: Are you.

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james murez: seeing a red.

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james murez: flag here hear.

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james murez: me.

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Alix: I can hear you.

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whoa.

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whoa whoa.

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whoa.

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Alix: hi.

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lauren siegel: hi there.

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Alix: Okay, I see her new.

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Alix: There we go well, there are five of us, I see i'll wait another minute or two and see if anyone else POPs in before we start the meeting hope everyone's good.

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Alix: hey well it's a couple minutes past seven i'll wait a couple minutes more if anybody else decides to pop in.

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Alix: Can you guys all see that.

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Andrew Mika: Yes.

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Andrew Mika: Thank you.

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Alix: Two more minutes and then i'll call the meeting to order, even though we're at a quorum.

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Alix: Okay well it's 75 Kim so we're gonna get started to move along this is the call to order a meeting and i'm going to do roll call this is a leaks i'm here Barry.

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barrycassilly: here.

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Alix: corrine.

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Alix: don't think I saw her.

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Alix: No Corinne.

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Alix: And lauren.

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here.

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Alix: Great matt Royce.

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Alix: don't think I saw matt either know matt.

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Alix: Chris colored.

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Alix: I don't see Chris no Chris Macau.

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Michael Jensen: here.

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Alix: Thank you, and more new ish.

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yeah great.

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Alix: um Does anyone want to make a motion to approve the Minutes.

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lauren siegel: What did I wonder about Andrew.

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Alix: Sorry, Andrew thanks lauren Andrew.

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Andrew Mika: i'm here.

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Alix: Thanks.

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Alix: By the way, just sorry I was the beginnings of a migraine So hopefully i'm going to get through this without too much.

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Alix: For it becomes full blown I apologize if i'm a little off um.

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Alix: For those of you who weren't here last week, just to go very briefly through robert's rules, I the Chair cannot make emotion or second motion, so it would really help speed things along if committee members could make motions and second motion, so we can at least get things.

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Alix: Going and on the table so for the Minutes.

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Michael Jensen: i'll make a motion to approve the Minutes my one comment those just that there's no there's nothing on I mean we have like it felt like a two hour conversation about process and procedure, none of that makes it into the ministry, though.

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Alix: None of that makes it into the Minutes mchale and and just so you know I had this conversation with Jim the Minutes should be very.

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Alix: Specifically, like motions that are voted on, and if you if you actually editorialize that's why the conversations are put down on the Minutes it opens things up for conversation there's a full transcript of the meeting on there.

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Alix: So that wants to see yes.

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Michael Jensen: motion to approve them and.

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Alix: i'm just i'm just answering it for you, who wants to second it.

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Andrew Mika: Can I second that I wasn't present but.

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Alix: i'm technically Andrew you shouldn't second it and you should abstain because you weren't there.

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lauren siegel: Showing.

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lauren siegel: us raise your hand.

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Alix: Oh Sorry, I have the screen up i've the the agenda up, so I can't see so if someone could just tell me their secondary emotion that would be great also for the people who are in the audience listening, they can hear so who wants to second Thank you lauren.

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Alix: renews do you want a second the.

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Alix: Second, thank you for newish.

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Mehrnoosh: you're welcome.

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Alix: um and we'll take a vote on me, yes um I think Barry are you going to abstain because you weren't here.

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barrycassilly: i'm abstaining.

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Alix: And i'm assuming that Andrew and lauren will abstain as well to correct.

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Mehrnoosh: Correct.

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Andrew Mika: Saying great.

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Alix: Thank you so mchale i'm assuming you're yes, because you made the motion as is new, so it carries.

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Alix: um does anyone have any ex parte communications for anything on the agenda for me i've spoken obviously to to pretty much everybody.

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Michael Jensen: I was staff on case I don't know 600 vass.

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was a case.

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barrycassilly: Number this time yeah this is Barry I talked to TIM, but I don't think that motion is happening tonight as if.

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Alix: It is happening TIM would like it to happen tonight.

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barrycassilly: Well, I talked to TIM not not recently and I don't remember what we talked about okay.

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Alix: that's fine.

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Alix: anyone else.

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Alix: um OK, so the early notification reports are actually have one comment to make before we go on, so, as you all know, lauren macpherson was supposed to come today, she had to cancel unexpectedly.

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Alix: On Tuesday, I think, so I apologize to everyone who was planning to be there, and thank you to everyone who submitted questions, we will we will read you this at another point in time i'm city early notification reports.

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Michael Jensen: Did we get questions I have, I have another.

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Alix: question is there were questions that went directly to Lara.

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Alix: Their questions that went to me, I will compile everything that I have into, I think, maybe you were CC it on some I will compile everything and send it out to the committee.

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Alix: And we can go from there.

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Alix: And also, I haven't reached out to configure yet, but the plan is to also bring Connecticut in as well to.

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Alix: To discuss the the Community plan and not the LCP.

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Alix: And city early notification reports does anyone in the public have comments on these If so, raise your hand and I will allow comment.

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Alix: No comment on anything from anyone okay.

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Alix: So for everyone, from from Lou peck who's on the call I think 1740 pen mar was already heard um.

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Alix: So I don't know that we need to hear it again.

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Alix: And i'll follow up with Tony to see why it's been put back on the early notification reports, and I also think it's been appealed that's a separate issue i'm.

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Alix: 768 Verdun I know I got an email from Isabel about the trees there so i'm assuming that we should hear that, because there are a lot of trees on Vernon so does anybody want to.

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Alix: Does anyone want to take this on.

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lauren siegel: I have a question about process.

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lauren siegel: mm hmm so is this, I understand that you're posting these so that the public can comment on them, but I didn't.

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lauren siegel: realize this is also how we're handing out cases, it seems to me that cases are coming from lots of different directions.

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lauren siegel: So i'd like to understand and clarified, perhaps you can on how we're supposed to assign these cases, if they're coming from different places, because we get these case reports we get this.

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lauren siegel: And we're supposed to volunteer so maybe you can clarify that for me.

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Alix: So lauren, I guess, my question to you is what do you mean the cases are coming from different places.

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lauren siegel: So there's this list that we get there's also a list that we get weekly from the city and they're not always exactly the same there's some that come.

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lauren siegel: Then we get emails from people who are asking us to hear their case so i'm just unclear how cases get assigned, and if there is some organizing principle around it.

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Alix: Okay, yes, there is an organizing principle around it so initially so, as you know, the city early net city early notification reports come out twice a month right.

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Alix: Yes, yes Okay, so in the past in MAC voices Lou Pack in my loop back before this we never listed and publish the city early notification reports.

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Alix: And what I was told by matt is that it's it either loops discretion as to what they want to hear.

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Alix: Or if someone comes forth and says they want to put this through our Community Member comes forth and says they want to put something through we put it through.

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Alix: Anything that's commercial or see up automatically gets gets put on and typically I will give the CPS to mikael because he's a lot of experience, dealing with them, and because we is an attorney as well too.

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Alix: But that might change as as I think Chris or create is shadowing I can't remember i'd have to go back to my notes from last week, the shadowing mchale on a see up case.

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Alix: So.

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lauren siegel: That would be me.

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Alix: That would be you sorry word my bad i'm.

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Alix: Sorry, but I apologize, as I said, i'm like in the midst of about to get a migraine so i'm.

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Alix: Not as lucid as I usually am.

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Alix: back to the city early notification reports so we made the decision Gemini talked about this and we felt that the wise decision would be to have a protocol of putting.

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Alix: up the address came in on city really notification reports and opening this up to the public, to comment on this, so that in the event that there was that we decided not to hear something.

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Alix: No one in the public could say this wasn't notified or noticed public right so that's why there's an attachment with the early notification reports at the at the bottom of the addresses that were listed and that's why they're on there.

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lauren siegel: But I thought it was your responsibility to hear all cases, why would we not hear a case.

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Alix: And if we if we feel in the in the past, as I said, to it's up to the Chair to decide something, but if there's a case where there are no exemptions there's No one for the Community asking.

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Alix: there's no mellow there's no there's no anything, and we feel it's perhaps a a de minimis project we may elect not to hear it right, so we mercial.

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lauren siegel: We heard the Ad you case, that was a de minimis project, and we still heard it, are you saying now in the future, moving forward that.

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lauren siegel: there.

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lauren siegel: Is that we will just say Okay, we all agree, we don't need to hear this and.

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Alix: We don't need to correct, but the Ad you case we had an asked to put that on the agenda that's why we put it on the agenda.

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barrycassilly: i'm i'm like to login on this one, because this this isn't what the standing Rules say.

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barrycassilly: If there's a de minimis case it's it doesn't matter if Community Community Member wants to hear it or not, it's not allowed to go on the loop at calendar.

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barrycassilly: I can read that section from the standing rolls on it says projects that comply with the development standards of Venice specific plan.

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barrycassilly: or which Lou PICs determines to be de minimis still be placed on the board consent calendar without requiring a loop hearing or preparation of allopathic report and then blah blah blah, but you know if something has.

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barrycassilly: A vso signature it can't go on before Lou peck and we don't do a staff reporter to go straight to the board doesn't matter it doesn't matter if they're trees, or if a Community Member wants to hear it, they can comment at the board.

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Alix: Very I that's not been precedent in the past, before.

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barrycassilly: And so I could have been it has been President these.

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Alix: This is a standing rule.

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Alix: It hasn't very excuse me, it hasn't been precedent it wasn't precedent under mat voices under mat voices Luca and.

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barrycassilly: We can see, these are the rules, this is, this is the rule.

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barrycassilly: Very jesting we not follow the rules.

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Alix: Barry i'm not suggesting we not follow the rules i'm simply suggesting that if Community members wants something heard it's up to us to hear it.

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barrycassilly: it's not it's not it's it says black and white in the Standing rules.

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barrycassilly: That we'd have no purview to hear that case it goes directly to the board.

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barrycassilly: doesn't matter.

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barrycassilly: If a Community Member doesn't want to you know observe the law, which has you know the courts ruled on or the standing rules of the dnc, we have to do that.

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Alix: Okay Barry anything else nope great.

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Alix: Where was I learned.

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barrycassilly: Sorry, I wanted, I wanted to comment on ease for.

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barrycassilly: In this respect, is East Berman, does it have a vso or does it not because of it has a via so it's de minimis we don't hear it, I don't know if it has vs or not somebody should look into that.

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Michael Jensen: Right now.

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Alix: i'm looking right now.

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Michael Jensen: What is the address.

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barrycassilly: You Vernon.

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Alix: 76076 year I got it.

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Alix: Michael i'm looking.

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Michael Jensen: Female.

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Michael Jensen: tagged with those.

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Alix: there's your answer.

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Michael Jensen: addition of new at or above existing garage.

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Michael Jensen: Why.

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barrycassilly: that's clearly going to have a vs.

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Michael Jensen: It was just file, maybe that's why it has.

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barrycassilly: yeah and again it doesn't matter if it has trees there's there's no provision in the rules to hear a case because there's a tree on the lot.

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barrycassilly: I think, someone should be assigned to like take to talk to the applicant to get their documentation we can't go on a verbal to get their document.

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barrycassilly: So we're not in.

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Alix: The CDP it's discretionary and should be heard by loop.

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barrycassilly: is absolutely not discretionary at the city level and everybody knows that.

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barrycassilly: discretionary get the deal.

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Alix: here's the deal it's an addition of a new ad you above an attached garage so My guess is that there's not going to be an issue with the trees regardless.

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Alix: If we don't want to hear this, we make the determination, since no one in the public has piped up that we don't need to hear this.

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barrycassilly: If it doesn't have the year, so we should hear it.

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Alix: It doesn't have a vso Barry.

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barrycassilly: Okay, then Somebody needs somebody to be assigned to it contact the output can see you know um it's if it was filed recently they wouldn't have a via so yet.

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Alix: airy it was filed recently that's why it's on that's why it's on the early notification reports for this week it was just filed a week ago.

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barrycassilly: Okay, so so someone should be assigned to like contact the applicant to like follow this and report back.

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barrycassilly: To meet the minimum or not.

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Alix: That is, that is why we're in the midst of.

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Alix: Putting these on our agenda, I will follow up on 716 East burden, if there is no via, so we will decide if we want to hear it, and if there is a vso.

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Alix: and

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barrycassilly: Then the board.

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Alix: We don't need to hear it, we will we can send it straight to the board.

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barrycassilly: Right, it goes on the consent calendar, the board.

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Alix: Okay anything i'm not.

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barrycassilly: Trying to i'm not trying to be crazily difficult here i'm just these are the rules.

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Alix: Okay, very we never we never had this going on in the past, so, as I said, you were trying to clean up a lot of new PAC.

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barrycassilly: Man, I totally understand, I totally understand that.

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barrycassilly: That vision on this case wasn't rendered until a year and a half ago, I totally get all that.

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Alix: Well we're going to discuss that decision at a later point in time so.

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Alix: Anyway, i'm.

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Alix: Moving right along and.

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Alix: strong's drive is a storage space into an EDU um Does anyone want to follow up on that and see if it's going to get a bsl.

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lauren siegel: i'm i'm happy to do that.

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Right.

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Alix: Thank you, is that lauren.

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lauren siegel: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: Do you mind scrolling down, just so I can see the addresses.

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Alix: i'm sorry.

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Michael Jensen: that's.

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that's it.

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Alix: Okay.

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Alix: Moving on general public comment on non agenda items anyone has public comment, please chime in now, I see one hand I see two hands, I see three hands.

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Alix: 53 hands.

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Alix: For hands anyone else.

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Alix: Great I see four hands i'm.

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Alix: going to open public comments and i'm going to start with Sean o'brien Sean.

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sean obrien: hey leaks, I have yeah, I just wanted to thank you guys, for all your hard work i'm just wanted to remind everybody a Tuesday November 2 at 2pm.

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sean obrien: Is the final city plum meeting for the monster on the medium, so the restatements and Community Center.

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sean obrien: i'm guessing it's going to be a 50 foot of parking structure on the east campus and it's going to be robotic so that's something that's never been discussed before into the public, it is now low income, housing, so if you make under $90,000 a year.

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sean obrien: You qualify to live there.

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sean obrien: Only point four spaces for up to 400 people living there, so probably be about 60 parking spaces for 400 people so November 2 2pm plum meeting visit fight back venice.org for more information, thank you guys.

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Alix: Thank you Sean.

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Alix: cj.

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CJ Cole: and

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CJ Cole: I did just want to say something having to do with your number six the early notification the world the new Rules Committee.

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CJ Cole: Rules and selection committee is now working on our standing rules, and we are number one editing them reorganizing them.

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CJ Cole: And it's an excellent time if you as a body want to modify any of these standing rules it's a really good time to think about it, they are a disaster there any possible to read, so this is our project for this year is to get them organized and readable so just let us know.

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Alix: Thank you cj.

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Alix: Erica more.

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Erica Moore: I want to thank everybody for their service and i'm sorry you're having.

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Erica Moore: great fun at all um, I just wanted to say that I appreciate.

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Erica Moore: Your time to follow my strength, but I do appreciate the that you guys are posting those projects because.

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Erica Moore: Even if people are raising their hands to speak, other than that's fine and you know that there's nobody out there that needs to say anything but I think it gives the opportunity.

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Erica Moore: For people in the public in our Community, to say something that's what this meeting is about at the Ad club meeting it was talking about how.

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Erica Moore: In the actual dnc meeting there's only 30 seconds to make a comment that is not the place for discussion that happens, but this is the place for discussion that happens.

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Erica Moore: So when something gets sent to the to the board meeting it's supposed to get out and explore, so I think that the idea that if you just go straight there.

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Erica Moore: I don't think that that's reasonable, and I think that I find it frustrating that Mr customer does not attend every meeting and he.

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Erica Moore: comes in and talking about things that were discussed at the last meeting wasn't there, so I think it really helped each meeting he's been elected, please show up every time, thank you.

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Alix: Thank you.

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Alix: One more comment Robin.

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RobinRudisill: hi it's Robin router so I just wanted to make it clear clarify that if a CDP is required for a project that is a discretionary decision by city planning by the city it's not something separate that the coastal Commission does.

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RobinRudisill: So unless that unless the CDP is not required, then it's it's not a by right project.

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RobinRudisill: ice cube I said the wrong it's a by right project if a CDP is not required, but if a CDP is required for these cases, then.

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RobinRudisill: it's not by right it's discretionary and the city does a discretionary determination, a city CDP so I want to make sure that's clear to everybody, because there's definitely some confusion about that Thank you.

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Alix: Thanks Robin.

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Alix: And with that we are closing public comments on non agenda items and next would have been learn macpherson who's getting rescheduled um and now we're going to move to a Macau, do you want to start and i'm going to let the applicant into become a panelist.

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Michael Jensen: So i'll move to what do I move to introduce this for discussion or something.

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Alix: You want to do you want to make your emotion that someone can second for discussion the applicant can present and then, and then you can present and to lauren and.

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Alix: To lauren and Barry who were who were not here last week, so you understand the process again it's going to it's going to follow robert's rules.

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Alix: or whoever staff is going to open with the presentation of the project, the emotion, the emotion will get seconded seconded excuse me, the applicant will present.

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Alix: Then it will go back to any public comment, and then it will come back to the committee for discussion potentially a changed motion.

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Alix: Maybe deciding not to pass the motion and the reason that this is being done this way it's how it's done at the board but it's hopefully to expedite things and it's to follow, along with robert's rules so.

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Alix: There you go.

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Michael Jensen: So the only i'll make the motion introduced this, the only caveat or change, I want to just make as the applicants representative is not Sean DS young blood, but Steve rawlings I believe and then also my name is still spelled with two s's throughout.

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Alix: That mccallum sorry.

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Alix: And what is your mission.

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Michael Jensen: So do I make a motion to approve this or is for joy can make.

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Alix: Changes to.

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Michael Jensen: To introduce this discussion.

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Alix: I mean, I would prefer it if we made the motion of what we'd like to see, because then the public knows where we're going towards this and.

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Alix: But if you'd like to make it to open for discussion on sign up.

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Michael Jensen: Sure, so so my recommended motion is to present this or i'm sorry to approve this as presented with the conditions granted under the prior.

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Michael Jensen: c CB and just that there's an explanation of the service floor area because there was some discrepancy between the plans and what I saw on the I think it was the application itself.

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Michael Jensen: But it didn't seem like it was a that doesn't seem so Congress, it seems straightforward to do that so that's my motion.

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Alix: To approve the project is presented with the conditions granted under the prior CP and what was the rest of it sorry.

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Michael Jensen: Well, just end the pending explanation of the parking compliance, which I think is compliant but i'm not sure.

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Alix: Does anyone want to start with that.

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lauren siegel: i'll second it.

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Alix: Thank you lori.

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Alix: guys were just to be clear again I can't make motions or second mom and the motion just because you second something doesn't mean you agree with the motion it's so that we can open conversation on this.

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Alix: and Steve I can stop my share, if you want to present anything think you're on now.

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Michael Jensen: he's muted he's trying to.

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Andrew Mika: talk to me please.

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Alix: I mean i'm not.

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Andrew Mika: me okay okay.

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Steve Rawlings: Forgive me, that was my mistake hey good evening everybody.

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Steve Rawlings: My name is Steve rawlings and i'm here this evening, representing the owners of borrow restaurant, they have moved into.

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Steve Rawlings: The space that was previously occupied by le zinc that operated there for a number of years at least five years that i'm aware of.

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Steve Rawlings: They shut down fairly recently, I believe that the property owners very happy to have a new restaurant the property owner is is one of the partners in in the restaurant.

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Steve Rawlings: I think joining me this evening might be some other other folks but in case they're not I do want to introduce.

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Steve Rawlings: Or at least let you know who the operators are of the restaurant, I think that you guys are all going to be really excited about the menu and just the overall service and ambience in this restaurant bill chain.

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Alix: Is there Steve is there in the in the audience, let me know, and I can bring them in if you'd like me to sorry to interrupt.

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Steve Rawlings: yeah I don't I don't know if I can see them but it's either build chain tammy party Dr john moose and Allah hundred marches in the would be the the folks that would be part of our team if they're on.

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Alix: know what can you say the names, again I don't see Tommy.

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Steve Rawlings: bill shape or William chase ch Ai te nope okay our.

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Steve Rawlings: march azimi nope okay and node and and Dr john moves.

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Steve Rawlings: nope Okay, well then i'm on my own so.

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Alix: Unless unless john Bob it is john miss.

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Steve Rawlings: I don't think so great.

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Steve Rawlings: Okay terrific well hey Thank you.

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Steve Rawlings: For that bill chain is one of the principles in this restaurant, but he is also the principles, some of you may be familiar with our teen bakeries.

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Steve Rawlings: there's several of them in the West side of Los Angeles and they're exceptionally popular and the food is just fabulous.

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Steve Rawlings: And i'll 100 is our executive chef and general manager tammy party is actually the owner of the property she is a realtor extraordinaire you may recognize her name I think it's party holden is the agency that she represents and then Dr john moose is partners with tammy.

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Steve Rawlings: In the real estate company, as well as on this particular project.

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Steve Rawlings: They they did take over the space, as I said, they actually opened already and I hope that everybody gets an opportunity to go by, there.

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Steve Rawlings: The menu, and that was about the only thing I was going to actually share with everybody, but let me kind of just can continue with a couple of comments that I wanted to make before I just shared with you the menu.

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Steve Rawlings: it's essentially the same footprint they didn't do any any significant remodel they did change out.

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Steve Rawlings: All of the you know furniture and the fixtures and did add a couple of things, but but no actual you know physical remodeling some new kitchen equipment cooking equipment so on and so forth.

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Steve Rawlings: The, it is a much more upscale restaurant and I will assure everybody that the primary business of this is to be a restaurant they took over the the current license that is there, which only allows them to serve beer and wine.

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Steve Rawlings: The desire is to be able to sell beer, wine and distilled spirits at this restaurant, which is somewhat customary to a pretty upscale restaurant.

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Steve Rawlings: I will, I will touch on the wine their wine selection is absolutely fabulous.

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Steve Rawlings: And it's very, very large and so that's a big part of their business and one of the requests that we have made, because there is a standard condition from the city of Los Angeles about no off sale.

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Steve Rawlings: selling of alcohol and we've actually made this specific request that that we not be prohibited from doing that in there in the background, on that.

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Steve Rawlings: Is when when people, the type 47 license does allow you to have alcohol leave the premises, the primary reason for that is if somebody has made a purchase of a fine bottle of wine i'm talking 5070 $500 bottle of wine and they haven't finished it.

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Steve Rawlings: Then they are allowed to record it and walk out of the building with it.

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Steve Rawlings: And ABC adopted that a lot of years ago, because they didn't want people to feel like they needed to finish the bottle of wine, because they were you know.

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Steve Rawlings: concerned about over consumption and by you know telling people they can't take it home with them certainly would encourage people to continue to drink so it's a it's a public policy.

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Steve Rawlings: That is there to hopefully prevent adverse effects, but the other part of it is too is because they they're importing a lot of wines from Europe, Italy, primarily and France.

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Steve Rawlings: You know they they would like there are customers that become accustomed to having those bottles wines and they would like the opportunity to sell that So those are the you know to specific requests that are in the.

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Steve Rawlings: application is one to be able to upgrade the license for distilled spirits and to be able to sell you know our bottles of wine off off the premises, we did hold a neighborhood meeting we sent out.

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Steve Rawlings: postcards to everybody within 500 feet of of the of the restaurant and last Monday night not not this one, but the one previous to this.

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Steve Rawlings: And two gentlemen did come by and we had a really nice conversation well one is Alex I believe his last name was peterson and he's a photographer.

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Steve Rawlings: happened to know tammy party for a lot of years and then the other one was Carl and I apologize I didn't write his last name down, but he lives directly across the street.

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Steve Rawlings: We chatted for about an hour, they were very excited very impressed with the restaurant their concern obviously was was noise evidently lizzie Inc was was not very.

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Steve Rawlings: was not a very good neighbor as we came to find out, and you know we provided assurances, along with a lot of cell phone numbers to say hey if we ever have any issues there you know, certainly give us a call.

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Steve Rawlings: And those gentlemen seem to be pretty excited about the restaurant, so you know with that I, I just want to kind of share the the menu.

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Mehrnoosh: I think.

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Steve Rawlings: Like see me too, if you could allow me to share.

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Steve Rawlings: Well, in.

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Steve Rawlings: Without being able to share it i'll share with you just verbally some of the the menu of the items on the menu.

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Steve Rawlings: That they do have small small plates, which is, which is flatbreads white sea bass charred beef heart tar tar.

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Steve Rawlings: would have and prawns grilled wild mushrooms their larger entrees would include would have an halibut fire roasted pork shoulder fire roasted ribeye and then, of course, they have desserts.

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Steve Rawlings: They don't have an extensive menu, and they do change their menu from time to time seasonally but it's it's very much intended to be a fine dining restaurant so with that you know other than that we are you know kind of looking to do the same opera in terms of.

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Steve Rawlings: What was previously approved for lizzie we're looking to continue the same the same operations with the same patio area and again we've upgraded all of our furniture.

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Steve Rawlings: To make the place much more inviting for people looking for a fine dining atmosphere.

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Steve Rawlings: So with that you know i'm very excited to represent this this particular project that the food is excellent, I really hope that everybody gets an opportunity to go by, there.

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Steve Rawlings: and enjoy the food and introduce yourself to l l hundred he is a really personable individual, and I think that this is going to be a tremendous asset to the Community, and you know with that, thank you very much, and more than happy to answer any questions.

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Alix: Great Michael you're muted.

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Michael Jensen: yeah so i'm tasty you've got one question, there are the hours of the kitchen going to be identical to the service hours for alcohol.

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Steve Rawlings: The kitchen, we have to have by law have to have some food available they don't necessarily have to have.

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Steve Rawlings: All of their dishes available, but we do have to have some because you know, sometimes like with revise and some of those big meat dishes you usually have to close the kitchen for those types of dishes.

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Steve Rawlings: But you know your your flat breads and some of the other other prawns and things along those lines, those are those are dishes that are available more for the.

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Michael Jensen: delay just there's not going to be any time where this is solely a bar.

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Steve Rawlings: No, no, the intention is absolutely not to be a bar and also to I want to point out to everybody, you know the the hours.

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Steve Rawlings: Doing stand, but you know oftentimes restaurant tours if there is no, there are no customers there, we certainly aren't going to be open, late, it makes no sense to keep your restaurant open when there's when there's no customers, there are very few customers so.

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Steve Rawlings: we're anticipating that most of the business will be closed up by 11 or 12 you know, on Friday and Saturday evenings.

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Alix: Steve before I open it up to public comment, are you taking the alfresco the way zinc did as well too.

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Steve Rawlings: i'm sorry i'm sorry you cut out for a second.

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Alix: hey are you taking advantage of the alfresco the way zinc did, are you gonna have the outdoor dining there are two.

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Steve Rawlings: Yes, we are.

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Steve Rawlings: that's become you know, obviously, through the pandemic there's been a lot of negatives, but one thing that I think that is somewhat of a.

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Steve Rawlings: positive is that people have started to enjoy the outdoors again and outdoor dining is is very, very popular and I think, not just because of public safety reasons, but I think that people.

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Steve Rawlings: Come back to realize that we live in the greatest weather have a on the planet, and you know the the ambiance of sending outdoors is something that's become very popular.

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Alix: i'm going to open this up to.

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Michael Jensen: Public sorry.

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Michael Jensen: One more thing, before you do that, yes, you can you just walk through the parking calculation, because there is a discrepancy on the plans show a patio 296.

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Michael Jensen: And the planning application is 590 and you have 544 of service area for the purpose of parking calculations second you just.

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Michael Jensen: want that.

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Alix: and Lord I see you.

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Steve Rawlings: And I, and I have to apologize for that and I, and I will do my best to speak to that because, as a matter of fact, the planner that we're working with the city pointed that out, and so I was on several phone calls today with our architect readjusting some of our plans the the patio.

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Steve Rawlings: Is i'm sorry, let me just.

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Steve Rawlings: See 25 by 14, and that is to 50 and another.

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Steve Rawlings: hundred.

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Steve Rawlings: it's it's it's 350.

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Steve Rawlings: square feet and previously it was it was like 296 there, so it has increased by a couple of square feet, but in talking with the planner that doesn't trigger any additional parking because it was a it's a relatively insignificant amount of size there.

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Michael Jensen: I think that's going to add one space, because if it's one per 50 service for area and you were at 296 350 I think you're going to add one space.

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Michael Jensen: But you can probably I mean you could make it under.

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Steve Rawlings: We actually have the ability, it's my understanding to actually park right in front of the patio with parallel parking stall.

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Steve Rawlings: So we would have an additional spot if if the planner comes back and says hey we needed additional spotlight we've we've somewhat accounted for that we do have the ability to add one so.

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Michael Jensen: Although your bike stalls right there right now but um.

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Steve Rawlings: The other option, by the way, is to increase bike stalls because the city of Los Angeles does give you credit for bike stalls so that that was the other piece, that the architect explained to me today.

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Alix: Warren.

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lauren siegel: I believe I need to recuse myself from this I didn't realize that tammy party was the owner of the property and I am selling my house the buyer's agent is one of her employees.

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Alix: Okay, I will text you when we are done with us Okay, if you just want to block your camera out that would be helpful.

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Alix: and make, how do you have more questions on parking or can I open this up to public.

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Michael Jensen: I mean open it up to the comment, we can address them barking.

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Alix: barking later i'm going to open this up to public comment does anyone have comments on this.

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Alix: I see one hand.

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Alix: Two hands great.

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Alix: Alright cj.

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CJ Cole: um we kind of I guess could not see the menu, but I do have a question as to is it open for breakfast lunch and dinner, or only dinner, and what is the price range.

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CJ Cole: That we're talking about it sounds like you're going to become an exclusive restaurant which i'm not sure we need anymore That was what was wonderful about zinc is, we could afford to go to it but.

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CJ Cole: But what is the price range going to be if we're talking hundred dollar bottles of wine it's not going to be $15 dinners.

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Steve Rawlings: The the the entree.

357
00:55:53.460 --> 00:55:54.570
Alix: Steve sorry.

358
00:55:54.630 --> 00:55:55.560
Alix: We just pulled up.

359
00:55:56.010 --> 00:55:58.560
Alix: Note that until I close public comment, thank you.

360
00:55:59.580 --> 00:56:00.480
Alix: cj is that all.

361
00:56:03.540 --> 00:56:05.160
CJ Cole: cj yes.

362
00:56:05.520 --> 00:56:06.510
Alix: Great Thank you.

363
00:56:10.290 --> 00:56:10.890
Alix: Erica.

364
00:56:15.810 --> 00:56:24.930
Erica Moore: hi I am offer more restaurants i've a favor I eat industry and i'd love to go to a good place to eat.

365
00:56:26.190 --> 00:56:30.690
Erica Moore: out my questions are how his elbow feeling next door.

366
00:56:32.310 --> 00:56:39.450
Erica Moore: i'm assuming this doesn't conflict with them at all so building that to the correct neighbor I believe and also.

367
00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:53.310
Erica Moore: This is extremely expensive and they're not getting that grade have refused actually I looked it up and it's saying that somebody went there three days ago and have a ribeye steak for $80 edible and they left.

368
00:56:55.080 --> 00:57:05.610
Erica Moore: Obviously, listen i've had people write things that weren't true on yelp myself, so I know that happens, but i've read several reviews on here that we're not positive and.

369
00:57:06.060 --> 00:57:17.280
Erica Moore: It it talks about the space was nice, but they were disappointed and it was very, very pricey and that was not that great so i'm hoping i'm disappointed that it's expensive.

370
00:57:18.420 --> 00:57:25.320
Erica Moore: We don't need things to continue driving them brightens up here that's the problem you know, like Ray just came back from Florida.

371
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:35.370
Erica Moore: Was living in Venice and he's like oh my God, I went to get coffee, it was like twice the price what i'm used to say just because i'm in Venice shouldn't be like that here.

372
00:57:35.790 --> 00:57:46.110
Erica Moore: We need affordability need we need one of the places that you're going to have like stalls I don't think the majority of people using bikes are going to be able to afford an $8 state, but like sick.

373
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.890
Erica Moore: So I took me a few more price yeah.

374
00:57:50.100 --> 00:57:52.110
Alix: Thank you, thank you Erica.

375
00:57:57.300 --> 00:58:00.660
Alix: And with that we're closing public comment.

376
00:58:03.720 --> 00:58:04.230
Alix: um.

377
00:58:05.820 --> 00:58:14.250
Alix: Committee, aside from mchale in the parking that we need to address does anyone else in committee have questions on this very minute Andrew.

378
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:19.650
Alix: No.

379
00:58:20.190 --> 00:58:22.140
Mehrnoosh: No, I know I know.

380
00:58:22.500 --> 00:58:24.960
Alix: Steve if you want to address any of the.

381
00:58:26.790 --> 00:58:29.940
Alix: Questions feel free to, and then we can get back into parking.

382
00:58:30.630 --> 00:58:44.550
Steve Rawlings: terrific you know, first of all thank you for the feedback I I, I think that I know the owners well enough to know that I will be taking that feedback to the back to them in the morning and.

383
00:58:45.510 --> 00:58:53.220
Steve Rawlings: What what was said here this evening about the quality of the food, I think that they will take that extremely seriously build shape is.

384
00:58:53.820 --> 00:59:04.740
Steve Rawlings: always has a reputation of really good food, so I think he'll be quite disappointed to hear that and I will certainly give them the feedback about the about the pricing on the menu.

385
00:59:05.910 --> 00:59:10.590
Steve Rawlings: And they are you know they do any any smart restaurant tour.

386
00:59:11.910 --> 00:59:17.970
Steve Rawlings: has some flexibility in their concept, because if they don't frankly, you know the i've seen a lot of restaurant tours.

387
00:59:18.600 --> 00:59:31.080
Steve Rawlings: Go out, so I think that with this feedback i'll certainly go back to them and let them know the concerns and I assume that they're reading the yelp reviews themselves anyway, there is an intention to.

388
00:59:32.280 --> 00:59:45.690
Steve Rawlings: definitely be able to do a brunch service on Saturdays and Sundays, this was the initial opening and I will be very, very candid with everybody here.

389
00:59:46.680 --> 01:00:06.930
Steve Rawlings: staffing has been an issue at this restaurant, as it is with every restaurant client that I have throughout the state of California unfortunately everybody's challenged with with good workers that includes chefs and dishwashers and servers on down the line, so they have.

390
01:00:07.260 --> 01:00:07.680
Steve Rawlings: When I did.

391
01:00:07.710 --> 01:00:12.240
Steve Rawlings: talk to them, they have had their share of staffing challenges and so.

392
01:00:12.810 --> 01:00:19.260
Steve Rawlings: we're obviously trying to work through that and and bring on a quality staff and hopefully that will also.

393
01:00:21.030 --> 01:00:25.410
Steve Rawlings: provide better better food and better service for our customers.

394
01:00:29.550 --> 01:00:30.180
Alix: Thank you.

395
01:00:36.060 --> 01:00:37.950
Alix: Macau, how do we want to address parking.

396
01:00:38.760 --> 01:00:50.760
Michael Jensen: So I would say this there's plenty of space on this property to put in bike stalls I presume you can get 30% reduction based on being near to.

397
01:00:52.110 --> 01:00:53.010
Michael Jensen: Whatever hi.

398
01:00:54.030 --> 01:01:07.230
Michael Jensen: i'm not going to call them high high speed buses, but whatever that whatever the term of art is so I, and I don't know how many bikes dolls are you don't have the count on there, so I would just say add the bike store account.

399
01:01:09.330 --> 01:01:15.990
Michael Jensen: And just have it by 30% i'm pretty sure that's going to cover, whatever the Delta, is that you need and.

400
01:01:18.120 --> 01:01:33.900
Michael Jensen: So I mean I would call the question and say motion to approve is presented with the conditions outlined in the prior application, except for the two changes that are being requested for a full line and for.

401
01:01:35.640 --> 01:01:36.600
Michael Jensen: off sale.

402
01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:44.700
Michael Jensen: being permitted and just that the plans reflect the addition of bike stalls to cover.

403
01:01:47.850 --> 01:01:48.990
Michael Jensen: What did we decided to.

404
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:51.510
Michael Jensen: is another.

405
01:01:51.810 --> 01:01:54.390
Alix: 5054 square feet.

406
01:01:54.690 --> 01:02:00.930
Michael Jensen: So it would be bring back clans that show compliant parking four sets of 544 or.

407
01:02:00.930 --> 01:02:20.190
Steve Rawlings: 594 okay and and, as I mentioned mikael I had some several conversations today with the architect so we're trying to work on just a couple of nuances and there was another inconsistency.

408
01:02:21.030 --> 01:02:33.030
Steve Rawlings: On on a square footage so you know my my apologies for that, but we, the planner and and I are working through that and I should have a much more consistent set of plans.

409
01:02:33.570 --> 01:02:34.140
Michael Jensen: To try.

410
01:02:34.200 --> 01:02:34.860
Steve Rawlings: Early next week.

411
01:02:35.190 --> 01:02:41.670
Michael Jensen: yeah try and bring I would bring those to the dnc meeting when your schedule don't hit the November meeting.

412
01:02:41.760 --> 01:02:50.070
Michael Jensen: Number meeting I will add some footnotes into the staff report to go over the changes so that it's clear what everyone is seeing.

413
01:02:50.700 --> 01:02:53.280
Steve Rawlings: terrific Okay, I appreciate that thanks for working with me on.

414
01:02:53.790 --> 01:02:59.040
Alix: The light biking you know my feeling on these neighborhood restaurants, I have charcoal which is.

415
01:03:00.090 --> 01:03:05.280
Alix: Just is restaurant right next to me, and you know the food is is.

416
01:03:05.580 --> 01:03:17.430
Alix: a mix of places I walk there I see people drive there, I think it depends you're going to have a mix of neighborhood people and people coming out, and I think the neighborhood people are going to walk and bike I don't think they're going to be writing buses.

417
01:03:19.080 --> 01:03:20.550
Alix: Do you want to read the motion again so that.

418
01:03:20.550 --> 01:03:21.060
barrycassilly: way I have.

419
01:03:21.240 --> 01:03:22.020
barrycassilly: I have a question.

420
01:03:23.670 --> 01:03:24.840
barrycassilly: Given the last comment.

421
01:03:25.860 --> 01:03:37.800
barrycassilly: Do and i'm not sure how the these new robert's rules apply doing not not do board COMP comments anymore or discussion or is that gone.

422
01:03:38.730 --> 01:03:42.030
Michael Jensen: Oh no, we can I was jumping jumping the gun very.

423
01:03:43.350 --> 01:03:44.550
Michael Jensen: By calling question so.

424
01:03:45.270 --> 01:03:45.450
Michael Jensen: and

425
01:03:46.350 --> 01:03:50.670
Alix: And I opened it up to committee comments early but I guess I didn't mention your name, so my.

426
01:03:50.670 --> 01:03:52.650
barrycassilly: Apologies no, you said I was.

427
01:03:52.710 --> 01:03:58.710
barrycassilly: That was trying to like listen, you said questions we didn't have I didn't have a question one until like discuss.

428
01:04:00.600 --> 01:04:04.320
Alix: Is there anything you'd like to discuss about this project very that you feel we didn't cover.

429
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:06.300
yeah.

430
01:04:07.560 --> 01:04:09.390
Alix: additive to the meeting.

431
01:04:10.410 --> 01:04:26.520
barrycassilly: Well, everybody has their idea what's added to the meeting, but my idea of that is that you know i'm very sympathetic to a lot of the public comments that centered around before ability um and.

432
01:04:27.810 --> 01:04:36.210
barrycassilly: In general, I mean greenlee enthusiastic to get more restaurants open in Venice, especially after the pandemic.

433
01:04:37.770 --> 01:04:44.460
barrycassilly: and have more restaurants, be able to serve alcohol, especially after the pandemic, but also at the Venice.

434
01:04:45.720 --> 01:04:47.850
barrycassilly: we're a visitor service neighborhood.

435
01:04:49.410 --> 01:05:07.710
barrycassilly: But there is an issue that we were at the beach we're never going to be as affordable as silverlake or East la again um so if somebody is doing something that's more affordable that should be celebrated.

436
01:05:09.630 --> 01:05:25.860
barrycassilly: And this is not a criticism, but I didn't feel like that was acknowledged in the presentation, the former's think was relatively affordable, I thought that was a good thing i'm, not to say that i'm opposed to this project i'm not at ball.

437
01:05:27.330 --> 01:05:39.810
barrycassilly: tammy owns the property she can do whatever she wants to do with it, and I would love to see an open establish they're serving on i'll call and food and brunch.

438
01:05:41.790 --> 01:05:55.230
barrycassilly: But affordability is is going to be challenging going forward in Venice and honestly it's not really any individual owners fault that's just that's just the way things are now so that was my.

439
01:05:58.290 --> 01:05:59.670
Michael Jensen: I actually follow that up because I.

440
01:06:01.050 --> 01:06:02.280
Alix: Have a follow up to that too.

441
01:06:04.230 --> 01:06:07.440
Michael Jensen: I was well two things one I was.

442
01:06:08.280 --> 01:06:16.230
Michael Jensen: I was actually staff on a restaurant on rose called American beauty that went through, I want to say it was right before the pandemic.

443
01:06:16.830 --> 01:06:31.920
Michael Jensen: And one of the concepts, they added to their they have this thing called the window and they have i'm not even kidding like $5 burgers and during the pandemic that place was killing it.

444
01:06:33.030 --> 01:06:41.040
Michael Jensen: because all the restaurants were closed they had to take away window and everybody in Venice was ordering from them, I think they they opened a second location boardwalk.

445
01:06:43.650 --> 01:06:51.420
Michael Jensen: And they also have you know now they have opened, finally, the you know I would call it a similar kind of steakhouse high end kind of place.

446
01:06:52.500 --> 01:07:01.320
Michael Jensen: So the two aren't mutually exclusive, and I think you know, there is an example right there have a business that recently opened.

447
01:07:02.700 --> 01:07:08.280
Michael Jensen: That probably pays extraordinary high rent but found a way to do both.

448
01:07:09.420 --> 01:07:14.730
Michael Jensen: So something to keep in mind, for your brunch menu or just adding that kind of concept into it.

449
01:07:16.350 --> 01:07:27.390
Michael Jensen: The second thing I would say about affordability is there's a trickle down effect of requiring every restaurant coffee shop bike shop whatever to go.

450
01:07:27.390 --> 01:07:28.140
Through.

451
01:07:29.460 --> 01:07:43.980
Michael Jensen: four and five layers of public hearing that simply adds costs downstream to everyone, including restaurant to restaurant tours who you know, have to pay expensive consultants to take them through.

452
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:52.170
Michael Jensen: You know, public hearings and and prepare way more than in places like I mean Miami.

453
01:07:53.100 --> 01:08:08.190
Michael Jensen: where you have sort of a building bonanza and I would imagine it doesn't take very much to open a coffee shop or restaurant there, so I think we have to look at the the ripple effects of wanting to have Community input and.

454
01:08:09.660 --> 01:08:26.610
Michael Jensen: Have like a very microscopic look at every single thing that comes through our our town and the effect that has on on small businesses that want to open because it's the web of just getting through the city and the coastal Commission makes everything very expensive.

455
01:08:27.930 --> 01:08:29.700
Alix: And i'm just going to add to that.

456
01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:39.750
Alix: I don't disagree with you mchale and I think that you know, there are definitely things that you can do to be.

457
01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:47.700
Alix: I don't know affordable face into the Community, whether that be a happy hour, so I think I talked about charcoal.

458
01:08:48.150 --> 01:08:58.230
Alix: And charcoal probably and God i'd love to see some vegan food because i'm a vegan but I digress charcoal has a happy hour at their bar and the bar menu.

459
01:08:58.920 --> 01:09:13.980
Alix: And it's phenomenal and you know when I used to go there pre pandemic, it was really great i'd always sit with my neighbors it was very, very like neighbor oriented, there are other restaurants that do neighbor neighbor with like.

460
01:09:15.180 --> 01:09:24.930
Alix: You know, once a month, I mean there are different things that you can do what I would say, with business is that if you embrace the Community and look for ways to bring your community in.

461
01:09:25.470 --> 01:09:45.240
Alix: and make them feel that you're there to serve them and not just be an expensive restaurant chances are you'll do better, and I would argue that, like if no one's eating at dollar ribeye you guys are probably going to pivot and figure something else out and if not, you won't be there.

462
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:55.080
Alix: So that's that's sort of my my my pov on on affordability I think we'd all like to see affordability, yes, there are expensive.

463
01:09:56.340 --> 01:10:01.230
Alix: they're expensive it costs to go through the city, but I don't think we can dictate.

464
01:10:02.670 --> 01:10:09.630
Alix: You know how how a restaurant charges their prices are or what they put on the menu much as i'd like to see something affordable.

465
01:10:10.740 --> 01:10:10.980
Alix: But.

466
01:10:11.010 --> 01:10:17.280
Alix: yeah you know just noting those things that some of the other businesses are doing, and that may be something to look at Andrew.

467
01:10:17.820 --> 01:10:33.480
Andrew Mika: um yeah I was just gonna say in terms of affordability, I think one it's incredibly expensive to go through this process, so I understand your pricing in that sense, and also the market will dictate how you guys do based on that right it's not really our business to a pint on.

468
01:10:34.740 --> 01:10:45.360
Andrew Mika: And secondly, the importance of the bike rack it differs possible drunk driving or drunk scooter in this instance from, especially for local people who do want to go eat there.

469
01:10:45.960 --> 01:10:55.920
Andrew Mika: One of the beautiful things about living in Venice is that almost everything is walkable and or bike and that's very important, so I think that's an important condition we keep here.

470
01:10:58.920 --> 01:10:59.460
Alix: and

471
01:11:00.900 --> 01:11:02.460
Alix: anyone else newish.

472
01:11:03.510 --> 01:11:10.980
Mehrnoosh: No common engraved information shared, so I totally agree, but the pricing and all that good stuff.

473
01:11:13.980 --> 01:11:18.960
Alix: mchale do you do you want to make promotion again i'm so sorry I have such a headache.

474
01:11:20.010 --> 01:11:20.730
Alix: i'm.

475
01:11:22.050 --> 01:11:25.530
Alix: So that we're clear and we can get a second to vote on this.

476
01:11:28.410 --> 01:11:28.920
Alix: MIC Hello.

477
01:11:31.770 --> 01:11:32.700
Michael Jensen: Sorry, I was muted.

478
01:11:33.870 --> 01:11:40.890
Michael Jensen: I moved to approve the project as presented with the conditions granted under the prior.

479
01:11:42.420 --> 01:11:44.010
Michael Jensen: See you be except.

480
01:11:48.150 --> 01:11:52.860
Michael Jensen: permission for a full line of alcohol and off sale.

481
01:11:54.030 --> 01:11:55.350
Michael Jensen: off site sales.

482
01:11:57.090 --> 01:12:00.660
Michael Jensen: or no, but no it's called off sale and off sale.

483
01:12:03.210 --> 01:12:10.290
Michael Jensen: And that applicant bring corrected plans showing compliance with parking requirements.

484
01:12:14.970 --> 01:12:17.370
Alix: Plans showing parking compliance.

485
01:12:18.810 --> 01:12:19.200
Michael Jensen: Yes.

486
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:21.780
Alix: i'm going to just be that.

487
01:12:23.640 --> 01:12:28.440
Alix: So that we're clear to prove the projects as presented.

488
01:12:30.300 --> 01:12:32.730
barrycassilly: And I asked my killer question before I vote on that.

489
01:12:34.710 --> 01:12:42.090
barrycassilly: Why, why are you opposed to their like whatever that thing was called where you take a bottle of wine.

490
01:12:42.990 --> 01:12:43.380
Michael Jensen: I know.

491
01:12:43.440 --> 01:12:43.890
Michael Jensen: i'm saying.

492
01:12:44.490 --> 01:12:46.560
Michael Jensen: that's a prior conditions.

493
01:12:46.620 --> 01:12:48.240
Michael Jensen: except for those two things.

494
01:12:48.270 --> 01:12:49.770
Alix: Yes, oh.

495
01:12:49.830 --> 01:12:50.430
barrycassilly: Okay sorry.

496
01:12:53.160 --> 01:12:53.760
Alix: So.

497
01:12:54.810 --> 01:12:59.850
Alix: Please, as presented with the conditions granted under the prior CP.

498
01:13:00.390 --> 01:13:01.710
Michael Jensen: Except really that that's.

499
01:13:03.240 --> 01:13:04.980
Michael Jensen: dash 0206.

500
01:13:06.030 --> 01:13:12.180
Michael Jensen: parentheses CDP CB or dash CDP CB see you spp.

501
01:13:12.660 --> 01:13:26.820
Alix: except the permission for full light of alcohol and off sale and that the applicant bring corrected plans showing parking compliance to the board.

502
01:13:27.870 --> 01:13:28.980
Alix: mchale that's motion.

503
01:13:29.460 --> 01:13:30.120
Michael Jensen: motion.

504
01:13:30.330 --> 01:13:31.320
Alix: Who would like to second.

505
01:13:33.060 --> 01:13:33.600
Andrew Mika: Second.

506
01:13:34.350 --> 01:13:35.160
Alix: Thank you, Andrew.

507
01:13:36.240 --> 01:13:39.660
Alix: And we're going to go for a vote mchale i'm assuming you're yes.

508
01:13:40.110 --> 01:13:40.650
Michael Jensen: yeah.

509
01:13:41.070 --> 01:13:42.330
Alix: i'm assuming you're yay.

510
01:13:43.440 --> 01:13:46.770
Alix: And I am a yay manish yes.

511
01:13:47.820 --> 01:13:49.560
Alix: And Barry.

512
01:13:50.010 --> 01:13:50.250
You.

513
01:13:52.680 --> 01:13:53.220
barrycassilly: know so yeah.

514
01:13:53.730 --> 01:13:56.610
Alix: that's great and more is recused.

515
01:13:57.780 --> 01:14:04.470
Alix: Perfect Thank you Steve you will need to come to the November board meeting.

516
01:14:05.220 --> 01:14:06.480
Steve Rawlings: You know the date on that.

517
01:14:08.700 --> 01:14:09.120
Alix: hold on.

518
01:14:10.440 --> 01:14:15.900
Alix: it's the third Tuesday, which so happens to be the 16th of November.

519
01:14:16.980 --> 01:14:17.370
Steve Rawlings: Okay.

520
01:14:18.060 --> 01:14:20.340
Steve Rawlings: Okay, thank you, everybody Have a nice evening.

521
01:14:20.700 --> 01:14:21.840
Alix: Thank you and good luck.

522
01:14:22.020 --> 01:14:22.770
Steve Rawlings: Okay, thank you.

523
01:14:36.720 --> 01:14:46.650
Alix: i'm chloe avenue is going to get moved to the meeting on the 28th the applicant wanted some more time for Community outreach so just be aware that that's going on the.

524
01:14:47.850 --> 01:14:57.990
Alix: On the 28th and moving to the next we're of stakeholder emotions does somebody want to make TIM bernfeld motion.

525
01:14:58.950 --> 01:14:59.370
sure.

526
01:15:03.660 --> 01:15:05.310
Michael Jensen: move to discuss.

527
01:15:07.020 --> 01:15:08.010
Alix: Who wants to second.

528
01:15:11.820 --> 01:15:12.750
Alix: Thank you, Andrew.

529
01:15:17.520 --> 01:15:20.370
Alix: Great and TIM is not here.

530
01:15:21.510 --> 01:15:28.170
Alix: We were going to move it to the next motion but next meeting, but TIM told me he felt we were capable of handling this without him.

531
01:15:28.620 --> 01:15:41.760
Alix: um I think before we go to committee comment on this in it's fairly self explanatory in the motion i'm going to open this up to public comment so public comment, please.

532
01:15:46.140 --> 01:15:47.400
Alix: I see two hands up.

533
01:15:50.370 --> 01:15:51.930
Alix: Great shana Ryan.

534
01:15:55.350 --> 01:16:00.810
sean obrien: hi guys are great man I love this thing i'm so glad you guys did the work actually put this.

535
01:16:02.190 --> 01:16:08.280
sean obrien: On the meeting i'm i'm a little confused i'm going to speak, both on A and B I guess.

536
01:16:09.210 --> 01:16:17.310
sean obrien: The parking requirements are horrendous for the coastal zone that's different than okay so yeah, this is the park um.

537
01:16:18.270 --> 01:16:28.980
sean obrien: yeah it's ridiculous that only in the coastal zone, we have to add the one space of, and that will hinder a lot of of these agu units.

538
01:16:29.490 --> 01:16:41.100
sean obrien: Of and the ridiculous thing is you got a project like the reese Davidson community, which is going to have 141 units at point for parking spaces per door.

539
01:16:41.460 --> 01:16:49.320
sean obrien: So you're probably looking at about 400 people actually living in that community with about like 50 or 60 parking spaces.

540
01:16:50.220 --> 01:17:01.950
sean obrien: That they're going to provide so it's it's crazy to give the big developments all the brakes and then like tell you know local you know Homeowners.

541
01:17:02.400 --> 01:17:11.700
sean obrien: of just trying to survive and maybe want an ad unit to help cover the bills and exclude them from from the benefit.

542
01:17:12.420 --> 01:17:23.910
sean obrien: Just because you know I got a 3000 foot lot myself how can I add another person's face, but so I really liked this motion, thank you guys, I hope you pass it and I hope that moving forward, thank you.

543
01:17:26.610 --> 01:17:27.300
Alix: and

544
01:17:29.370 --> 01:17:29.880
Alix: Next.

545
01:17:29.910 --> 01:17:31.170
Is.

546
01:17:32.250 --> 01:17:32.790
Alix: Robin.

547
01:17:33.450 --> 01:17:35.550
Alix: Oh God Mary.

548
01:17:36.540 --> 01:17:36.960
barrycassilly: Oh sorry.

549
01:17:38.610 --> 01:17:39.000
RobinRudisill: hi.

550
01:17:40.140 --> 01:17:43.170
barrycassilly: I was talking to my dog who just did something.

551
01:17:44.310 --> 01:17:45.810
hi Barry it's Robin.

552
01:17:47.430 --> 01:17:59.250
RobinRudisill: I just wanted to let you know that I strongly support both motions i've had i've personally had conversations with coastal staff to strongly encourage these very things and.

553
01:18:00.090 --> 01:18:05.700
RobinRudisill: The fees are crazy to do an ad you in the coastal zone it's about three times more maybe more than that.

554
01:18:06.300 --> 01:18:12.360
RobinRudisill: Then outside the coastal zone and yet it's so important to increase density in the coastal zone, it just makes no sense.

555
01:18:13.110 --> 01:18:26.280
RobinRudisill: So i've been lobbying for these things and just to let you know, the response has been put it into the LCP I sure wish we could get this done sooner than that because, who knows how long.

556
01:18:26.580 --> 01:18:36.420
RobinRudisill: How far away, that is, but I encourage you to approve these get them out of the Board get the letter sent and then follow up I think it's important Thank you.

557
01:18:37.470 --> 01:18:38.100
Alix: Thank you.

558
01:18:41.640 --> 01:18:53.250
Alix: And with that I am closing public comments and opening this up to the committee comments or discussion.

559
01:18:55.410 --> 01:18:56.760
Alix: Does anyone have anything to say.

560
01:18:59.100 --> 01:19:00.390
barrycassilly: I do, besides my dog.

561
01:19:03.960 --> 01:19:06.030
Alix: Okay Barry um.

562
01:19:07.140 --> 01:19:08.250
barrycassilly: I don't know who that first.

563
01:19:09.570 --> 01:19:13.620
barrycassilly: comment or was but I totally agree with everything he said.

564
01:19:15.390 --> 01:19:18.600
barrycassilly: it's it's absurd that.

565
01:19:20.490 --> 01:19:29.910
barrycassilly: large corporate developers on just because they happen to be doing so called public service developments are given.

566
01:19:30.390 --> 01:19:38.700
barrycassilly: carte blanche exemptions from these requirements and small middle class Homeowners are raked over the coals.

567
01:19:39.210 --> 01:19:54.060
barrycassilly: I mean, I really do feel like the coastal Commission and a lot of the politicians in Los Angeles, are the best I can say is insensitive to the concerns of average middle class people and.

568
01:19:55.500 --> 01:20:06.900
barrycassilly: This needs to be reformed as to robin's comment um I agree with her, I find the coastal commission's response outlandish.

569
01:20:07.980 --> 01:20:08.460
barrycassilly: arm.

570
01:20:10.290 --> 01:20:16.290
barrycassilly: At the at the city level we're limited in what we can do or say, but the coastal Commission has absolute.

571
01:20:17.100 --> 01:20:27.870
barrycassilly: latitude to decide anything he wants to do at any time, up until the point that we have a local coastal program and implement implementation plan they approve.

572
01:20:28.470 --> 01:20:45.810
barrycassilly: So, tomorrow the coastal Commission could say we think this is unfair we're changing the policy for them to tell us to like fix it ourselves is absurd we're playing by their rules they make this game they can fix it tomorrow that's all I have to say.

573
01:20:46.740 --> 01:20:53.190
Alix: Thanks Barry I just want to add to that because I, I agree with you about your comment about.

574
01:20:53.940 --> 01:21:01.290
Alix: Why corporate developers being given carte blanche when they're supposedly doing a public service, but I would argue that there are a lot of Homeowners.

575
01:21:01.320 --> 01:21:13.170
Alix: That are actually building ag us, which is doing a way greater public service in terms of the type of density, we want to add into Venice, and we should be looked at as a public service as well to To be quite honest with you.

576
01:21:15.060 --> 01:21:17.910
Alix: So that's my my my pov on that, I think that.

577
01:21:18.060 --> 01:21:18.630
Alix: You know I.

578
01:21:20.340 --> 01:21:20.910
Alix: So.

579
01:21:21.930 --> 01:21:23.220
lauren siegel: wanted to say something.

580
01:21:23.610 --> 01:21:25.140
Alix: Laura lauren place.

581
01:21:25.530 --> 01:21:37.560
lauren siegel: So it seems to me that we should have the the idea of the ad you came across a couple years ago and it was about allowing access and providing additional units into the much needed area.

582
01:21:37.950 --> 01:21:53.970
lauren siegel: So the fact that we are in the coastal zone doesn't mean that we should have to pay a higher price to be able to do what everybody else is able to do so if there are no parking requirements and other parts of La county I don't believe when we add an ad you hear.

583
01:21:55.080 --> 01:22:05.610
lauren siegel: That we should have to follow different rules, so it just makes it prohibitive just reinforcing what everybody else has said, but I support the motion, thank you.

584
01:22:06.300 --> 01:22:10.980
Alix: minish mchale Andrew do either of you any of you have anything to say on this.

585
01:22:11.910 --> 01:22:13.530
Michael Jensen: i'm curious whether anyone.

586
01:22:16.950 --> 01:22:22.230
Michael Jensen: Are there still tie in fees for at us, I wish TIM was here because i'm sure he knows the answer.

587
01:22:23.790 --> 01:22:25.140
Mehrnoosh: What can the fee for you.

588
01:22:25.230 --> 01:22:26.160
Michael Jensen: I am fees.

589
01:22:27.390 --> 01:22:27.900
Mehrnoosh: huh.

590
01:22:28.410 --> 01:22:28.830
huh.

591
01:22:32.130 --> 01:22:43.560
Michael Jensen: I like that the real what i'm getting at is, I think, like this motion is great I don't think it goes far enough, because the barriers to to for normal people to create housing.

592
01:22:44.460 --> 01:22:51.120
Michael Jensen: which would allow I mean it's the same kind of thing that sb nine and 10 are trying to drive Homeowners building stuff.

593
01:22:53.250 --> 01:22:55.200
Michael Jensen: or sb nine I think not 10.

594
01:22:56.520 --> 01:23:12.900
Michael Jensen: But this whole if the city ends up charging you know if I want to go build like a 1500 square foot house and I have to pay the city like $16 a square foot for the privilege of building that suddenly The thing that was affordable for a middle class person to build in any other.

595
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:21.420
Michael Jensen: State is or city, for that matter, although I think California has an especially egregious way of doing this.

596
01:23:22.710 --> 01:23:35.610
Michael Jensen: suddenly becomes unaffordable and So what do I do well, I have to build something hugely expensive because the only way that I can recoup the the ridiculous permit fees is by.

597
01:23:36.600 --> 01:23:43.890
Michael Jensen: selling or renting it on the high end and I think we don't look at the you know affordability, we have to go back to.

598
01:23:44.970 --> 01:23:54.390
Michael Jensen: The cost of construction, not just the actual cost of the construction with all these soft costs that drive our housing to be affordable to build.

599
01:23:55.140 --> 01:23:59.100
Michael Jensen: So I like the motion, I support the concept of removing cars from our life.

600
01:24:00.030 --> 01:24:14.190
Michael Jensen: I bike a lot I also don't have a off street parking spot, so I do this battle every every night which becomes really unpleasant on a night like tonight, where i'm going to drive home at nine o'clock at night and drive around for 20 minutes looking for a street spot so.

601
01:24:15.540 --> 01:24:19.050
Michael Jensen: yeah that's that's, I would like to see more like this.

602
01:24:19.560 --> 01:24:20.610
Alix: to drive down oh.

603
01:24:21.510 --> 01:24:30.840
Alix: I just I just want to bring up a point on on cars and working towards a car free existence, because when I was at the Rack Lou PAC meeting.

604
01:24:32.010 --> 01:24:40.710
Alix: Two weeks ago we were talking about sustainable development goals, and I know marunouchi I have to send that recent it out to everyone, I thought I had sent it out to you guys but.

605
01:24:41.010 --> 01:24:52.110
Alix: One of the loop chairs was talking about A to Z project that was going in over in West la or marvis stuff and they were very concerned about the parking.

606
01:24:52.740 --> 01:24:57.750
Alix: And so what they realized, is that in their Community where people had cars, most of the.

607
01:24:58.020 --> 01:25:10.890
Alix: People were aging so maybe not necessarily like families with kids and people that actually still do really need cars and this aging population was more so using their car once maybe twice a week to go to.

608
01:25:12.510 --> 01:25:21.060
Alix: To go to a doctor's appointment or to go get some groceries or to go to you know the hair salon or whatever, but they weren't using their car every single day is the bottom line.

609
01:25:22.020 --> 01:25:35.100
Alix: And so they made the the Community made an agreement with the developer, that the developer, I think there was an empty lot on a church where they were going to provide a fleet of electric cars and all of the community within.

610
01:25:36.420 --> 01:25:39.000
Alix: proximity to this development we're going to get.

611
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:49.740
Alix: credits to use these electric cars once or twice a week for free and this way they could give up their cars, and this was like a huge win, win for everybody.

612
01:25:50.010 --> 01:25:59.580
Alix: So you know the reason I bring this back to the Community is is I think it's really like innovative way of thinking and looking to address.

613
01:26:00.330 --> 01:26:04.860
Alix: A community's needs, and I hope that, as we start looking at these different products, we can start.

614
01:26:05.130 --> 01:26:19.380
Alix: Thinking about this way not just thinking in absolutes have no cars or everything has to be carved or all bicycles, or no bicycles, but rather, what do people actually need and how do we find real world real time solutions that are useful.

615
01:26:21.120 --> 01:26:23.880
Alix: that's me anyone else minutia Andrew.

616
01:26:24.270 --> 01:26:24.780
lauren.

617
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:27.570
Mehrnoosh: i'm.

618
01:26:29.730 --> 01:26:51.510
Mehrnoosh: If I start thinking of other cars, this is part of their culture and economic improvement, so too, and I think that changes are required, as you presenting I think there's gotta be some extra solutions to eliminate all the needs for the cars and requirements.

619
01:26:54.540 --> 01:27:07.140
Mehrnoosh: So every little bit helps so every every conditions that we're talking about tonight it's good I think it's good for the Community to have this parking and be able to have the units build and be affordable.

620
01:27:11.040 --> 01:27:16.350
Mehrnoosh: So it changes the overall economic procedures in here.

621
01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:24.750
Mehrnoosh: Because it was it was so directed towards having cars and make a purchase of that and economy so.

622
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:27.030
Mehrnoosh: That makes sense, what i'm saying.

623
01:27:29.130 --> 01:27:30.150
Mehrnoosh: So I think i'm.

624
01:27:30.660 --> 01:27:37.560
Mehrnoosh: I am definitely for having solutions where we can use less cars or bikes and, as you said, sharing.

625
01:27:38.940 --> 01:27:41.280
Mehrnoosh: cars with the elderly people.

626
01:27:43.230 --> 01:27:44.910
Mehrnoosh: All that good stuff yes.

627
01:27:47.580 --> 01:27:48.000
Alix: and

628
01:27:48.690 --> 01:27:49.200
I.

629
01:27:51.150 --> 01:28:07.110
lauren siegel: yeah I understand that we have a goal of increasing the number of units throughout la county and in California, in general, so if this motion allows more units to be built at us, or whatever.

630
01:28:08.220 --> 01:28:20.130
lauren siegel: It seems to me like it's something that we should support, so this is just another way to add units, although it's you know coastal related, we need more units in La so I support it.

631
01:28:21.360 --> 01:28:28.650
lauren siegel: And I think that not having the parking stipulation in there, makes it that much easier for more people to do such a thing.

632
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:41.400
Alix: And I would argue that hopefully to your point learn that, if it makes it easier for people to do this it won't be a situation where people feel compelled to sell their lots to developers who.

633
01:28:41.760 --> 01:28:53.460
Alix: will not be engaged in keeping the fabric of the Community, because I do think there's a difference when you or myself or some the previous person who was commenting about his lot.

634
01:28:53.760 --> 01:29:00.750
Alix: I think it does change the equation when it's someone who's vested in the Community developing in the Community versus outside interests.

635
01:29:06.660 --> 01:29:21.750
Alix: And I think, for me, I mean I would call the question on this if everyone's Okay, the only thing i'd ask is would someone communicate with TIM and report back to me who this needs to be distributed to so I can put that on the Minutes, because TIM did not give us a distribution list.

636
01:29:23.910 --> 01:29:25.050
Alix: Does anyone want to take that on.

637
01:29:26.490 --> 01:29:28.410
lauren siegel: i'm not sure exactly what you're asking.

638
01:29:29.430 --> 01:29:30.330
Michael Jensen: Well, this is the letter.

639
01:29:30.390 --> 01:29:42.750
Michael Jensen: Support letter goes to so city planning coastal Commission why I don't think we're authorized to send it to coastal but CD 11 planning building and safety yeah i'll asked him where.

640
01:29:42.780 --> 01:29:43.620
Alix: I think we can.

641
01:29:43.650 --> 01:29:45.780
Alix: Make how I think we can send to coastal.

642
01:29:47.100 --> 01:29:48.720
Michael Jensen: let's send it to them because.

643
01:29:48.750 --> 01:29:49.650
Alix: I mean it can.

644
01:29:49.740 --> 01:29:51.060
barrycassilly: only send it to them, Jim how.

645
01:29:51.090 --> 01:30:02.490
Alix: We can send them, but I would like it, we need to get a distribution list on us, so we should get a distribution list on this, so I would just ask that someone report back to me distribution list and mchale.

646
01:30:02.910 --> 01:30:04.530
Alix: Zara we know.

647
01:30:05.460 --> 01:30:06.690
Alix: That is now you.

648
01:30:07.800 --> 01:30:16.200
barrycassilly: slow down for a second you guys, not to be missed rule book, but like we can't send letters to anybody, this has to go to the board yeah.

649
01:30:16.800 --> 01:30:21.210
Alix: I understand very, but I have to send it the motion to the board.

650
01:30:21.240 --> 01:30:25.380
Alix: With a distribution list and there's no distribution list on this right now so.

651
01:30:25.410 --> 01:30:32.820
Alix: When I do our Minutes i'm going to put a distribution list on this on this motion and that distribution list is going to come from mikael.

652
01:30:33.480 --> 01:30:34.260
barrycassilly: that's awesome.

653
01:30:35.160 --> 01:30:38.550
Alix: If you look at all our other projects, they all have distribution.

654
01:30:38.550 --> 01:30:39.030
monsters.

655
01:30:42.030 --> 01:30:42.540
Alix: Yes.

656
01:30:43.590 --> 01:30:45.090
barrycassilly: I was being quiet.

657
01:30:46.500 --> 01:30:51.600
Alix: yeah cool okay michela you made the motion and are you second didn't finish.

658
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:53.730
Mehrnoosh: Yes, second, third.

659
01:30:55.530 --> 01:30:57.480
Alix: lauren i'm assuming you're yes.

660
01:30:57.930 --> 01:30:59.760
Alix: Yes, and Barry.

661
01:31:00.540 --> 01:31:01.170
barrycassilly: Yes.

662
01:31:01.620 --> 01:31:03.720
Alix: And I assume Andrea and mchale both approve that.

663
01:31:04.800 --> 01:31:05.370
Andrew Mika: Yes.

664
01:31:05.790 --> 01:31:14.910
Alix: 600 the motion carries the only thing is a distribution list before the Minutes Thank you i'm onwards to our second motion.

665
01:31:16.530 --> 01:31:17.820
Alix: i'm going to pull the agenda up.

666
01:31:25.860 --> 01:31:28.410
Alix: Who wants to make the motion, this is another band filled one.

667
01:31:37.170 --> 01:31:40.800
barrycassilly: i'll make the motion, but like sitting somebody called him.

668
01:31:42.450 --> 01:31:43.800
Alix: Very he's not here.

669
01:31:44.820 --> 01:31:51.660
Alix: We had a miscommunication between the two of us and TIM felt that our committee could handle this without him being here okay.

670
01:31:51.750 --> 01:31:54.540
Alix: Oh, and by the way, we'd still have to make the motion.

671
01:31:54.750 --> 01:31:59.220
Alix: Whether TIM was here, not because tim's not a number of the tech any longer.

672
01:31:59.970 --> 01:32:01.080
barrycassilly: Okay, what do I have to do.

673
01:32:03.000 --> 01:32:04.230
Alix: you're making the motion it's.

674
01:32:04.320 --> 01:32:05.700
Alix: Item I make.

675
01:32:06.270 --> 01:32:11.700
Alix: And the motions that we're clear is an expedited process for accessory dwelling units in the Venice coastal zone.

676
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:16.260
lauren siegel: It expedited or is it also cost prohibitive.

677
01:32:17.460 --> 01:32:18.000
Mehrnoosh: hmm.

678
01:32:19.530 --> 01:32:19.890
Andrew Mika: Oh.

679
01:32:20.910 --> 01:32:21.360
lauren siegel: Well yeah.

680
01:32:21.750 --> 01:32:22.350
Alix: I thought the most.

681
01:32:22.950 --> 01:32:26.130
barrycassilly: I thought the motion was to process at us with a cx.

682
01:32:26.220 --> 01:32:38.940
Alix: And that's that's correct okay okay so simply telling you how TIM titled the motion which is Let me read it so we're all clear it's expedited price it excuse me expedited process for accelerate.

683
01:32:40.050 --> 01:32:41.550
Alix: gosh i'm so sorry except.

684
01:32:42.990 --> 01:32:44.220
lauren siegel: Would you like me to read it for you.

685
01:32:44.640 --> 01:32:46.380
Alix: yeah Thank you.

686
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:49.740
lauren siegel: X Ray process for access to accelerate accessory.

687
01:32:52.740 --> 01:33:04.920
lauren siegel: Venice neighborhood counts, I can't see all of it, Venice neighborhood Council requested the city of Los Angeles planning department in California coastal Commission follow assembly bill 68 relating to the project process time.

688
01:33:05.610 --> 01:33:06.810
Andrew Mika: Green rename the motion.

689
01:33:09.300 --> 01:33:15.960
lauren siegel: The Venice coastal zone should contribute to the needed an increase in density, whereas the CDP application, time is more than 12 months.

690
01:33:16.260 --> 01:33:22.590
lauren siegel: Whereas the current CDP application fee is more than 15,000, whereas the cx application time would be less than two months.

691
01:33:23.100 --> 01:33:37.350
lauren siegel: Whereas the cx application fee is 1700 whereas a cx would still be appealed to the CCC therefore the Venice neighborhood urges the city of Los Angeles, and the California coastal commission to process applications for at us as cx instead of.

692
01:33:38.520 --> 01:33:40.320
lauren siegel: And CDP.

693
01:33:42.450 --> 01:33:42.990
barrycassilly: By make the.

694
01:33:43.620 --> 01:33:47.130
Alix: area that is your emotion who's lori who's second doing it.

695
01:33:47.460 --> 01:33:48.420
lauren siegel: I will second it.

696
01:33:48.810 --> 01:34:00.420
Alix: Thank you now, we can have conversation i'm going to move this and i'm going to open it up for public comment i'm very sorry my reading is bad today public comment on this.

697
01:34:01.440 --> 01:34:02.730
Alix: I see two hands.

698
01:34:05.910 --> 01:34:07.140
Alix: Great Sean.

699
01:34:11.100 --> 01:34:14.070
sean obrien: yeah hey guys thanks another great piece of work, I love this.

700
01:34:15.360 --> 01:34:24.240
sean obrien: give you a, for instance, I have a friend who's going through this process it's roughly 400 450 square feet.

701
01:34:24.780 --> 01:34:38.790
sean obrien: of application fee to start with 17,000 with no guarantee that $17,000 fee he's anticipating of of the process to cost them about 25,000.

702
01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:52.230
sean obrien: that's NUTS that's insane and as well as you know, the whole time constraints of the it's taking forever he's been doing this now for eight months, no end in sight, so I love this thanks guys.

703
01:34:52.830 --> 01:34:53.670
Alix: Thanks Sean.

704
01:34:56.790 --> 01:34:57.780
Alix: And Erica.

705
01:35:02.700 --> 01:35:06.360
Erica Moore: hi there, I strongly support this, just like.

706
01:35:08.670 --> 01:35:09.450
Erica Moore: ridiculous.

707
01:35:11.640 --> 01:35:12.270
Erica Moore: We support.

708
01:35:13.380 --> 01:35:14.220
Alix: Thank you.

709
01:35:16.590 --> 01:35:21.090
Alix: And with that I am closing public comment.

710
01:35:23.550 --> 01:35:28.080
Alix: Committee members does anyone have anything to say on this lauren.

711
01:35:28.890 --> 01:35:38.100
lauren siegel: Well, I just wonder if it's realistic to believe that they will the coastal Commission will actually listen to this and make changes is this realistic.

712
01:35:38.370 --> 01:35:46.590
barrycassilly: Well, maybe we have to go speak to the coastal Commission and like insist that they do because they're obviously not listening to us.

713
01:35:47.910 --> 01:36:00.810
Alix: Well, I think, a couple things, we know that the both the plan and the LCP are are going to be redone right and, unfortunately, Lars not here tonight, but.

714
01:36:00.930 --> 01:36:02.730
Alix: I think the good news is is that.

715
01:36:03.090 --> 01:36:15.330
Alix: If past these motions and we also pass them in a board level, this is something we can discuss with Laura and point to when she comes back to speak to us, so you know.

716
01:36:17.250 --> 01:36:18.720
Michael Jensen: And I asked her question.

717
01:36:20.100 --> 01:36:23.850
Michael Jensen: um so typically we have motions comes.

718
01:36:23.910 --> 01:36:28.740
Michael Jensen: down from rack can this motion go up to rock.

719
01:36:32.100 --> 01:36:41.640
Alix: know because not all the rap councils are in the coastal zone and so rack addresses.

720
01:36:43.230 --> 01:36:48.960
Alix: rack addresses regional issues so, for example, when there was the specific.

721
01:36:49.920 --> 01:37:00.450
Alix: The specific plan motion that went through the genesis of that motion was because people were so up in arms about the berggruen project in.

722
01:37:01.260 --> 01:37:11.970
Alix: The palisades Brentwood and the conversation was that we could not bring emotion that just dealt with one project in one area of the district now.

723
01:37:13.080 --> 01:37:15.240
Alix: I don't even like the parking either would apply.

724
01:37:15.570 --> 01:37:16.470
Alix: I can check it.

725
01:37:16.740 --> 01:37:26.640
Michael Jensen: here's what i'm well i'm sorry to cut you off, but but I get it so, so this is a specific problem to only a few neighborhood Councils that are in Rack.

726
01:37:26.970 --> 01:37:36.780
Michael Jensen: However, prior rack motions have addressed certain things that were only in a few not all Rack.

727
01:37:38.010 --> 01:37:49.800
Michael Jensen: Councils so by that logic i'm just saying like Okay, yes, maybe not all rack councils are this is relevant to that certainly.

728
01:37:50.850 --> 01:37:53.430
Michael Jensen: palisades and us and.

729
01:37:55.650 --> 01:37:57.960
Michael Jensen: there's another one that's in the coastal zone isn't there.

730
01:37:59.790 --> 01:38:02.940
Michael Jensen: south of us a little bit maybe go del rey.

731
01:38:03.120 --> 01:38:11.670
Alix: Re well michela which I mean, can you cite something specifically because, since i've been attending rap when we've had motions that have been specific to.

732
01:38:12.840 --> 01:38:20.400
Alix: An area and not and not like a regional issue that affects all of us rock has has tabled the motion.

733
01:38:20.550 --> 01:38:35.730
Michael Jensen: Well, the one that is that that called out those three areas like it was for reese Davidson and then two other projects that were at the ir of whatever neighborhood Councils, they were in like that was only three neighborhood Councils.

734
01:38:36.510 --> 01:38:37.410
Michael Jensen: But um.

735
01:38:37.650 --> 01:38:54.660
Alix: But to speak to the actual mode, that was an agenda of examples and it didn't just it wasn't meant to encompass if you look at the actual motion that was an addendum and it really was meant to cover any project that that was looking to.

736
01:38:56.340 --> 01:39:01.470
Alix: You know, to overpass to override the specific plan process you we can certainly try.

737
01:39:01.680 --> 01:39:03.840
Michael Jensen: i'm simply saying I think this is a regional issue.

738
01:39:05.640 --> 01:39:08.970
lauren siegel: and ask the question of whether the coastal Commission Sir.

739
01:39:10.560 --> 01:39:18.030
lauren siegel: requires similar things in other counties beyond la county are they still the same stickler in terms of.

740
01:39:18.060 --> 01:39:25.800
lauren siegel: No Barbara county or you know for the South end you kind of are we, the only ones that have these really restrictive rules of at us.

741
01:39:26.100 --> 01:39:44.730
Alix: know every every coastal committee is every coastal community is governed by the coastal Act and the coastal Commission but, for example, okay so let's take Venice, for example, 15% of Venice is not covered by the coastal Commission because only 85% of our.

742
01:39:45.030 --> 01:39:45.540
Alix: of our.

743
01:39:45.690 --> 01:39:48.810
Alix: in Venice host all right.

744
01:39:48.990 --> 01:39:49.650
lauren siegel: But but.

745
01:39:49.710 --> 01:40:03.030
lauren siegel: My understanding is the coast has different rules in Santa Barbara county like, for example, in short term Rentals they have a different standard of what they deem acceptable in Santa Barbara county vs la county So why is.

746
01:40:03.030 --> 01:40:06.840
barrycassilly: It they do that's a good question not not just Santa Barbara county.

747
01:40:07.170 --> 01:40:07.650
barrycassilly: But go now.

748
01:40:08.910 --> 01:40:21.420
barrycassilly: But go next door to like ocean park in Santa Monica and you can build a single family home or any small project with a de minimis waiver they've got an approved local coastal Program.

749
01:40:21.990 --> 01:40:29.730
barrycassilly: They do not have an implementation plan exactly the same as Venice, but there are a completely separate set of rules.

750
01:40:30.030 --> 01:40:32.490
barrycassilly: For Venice, then there are for ocean park.

751
01:40:37.470 --> 01:40:53.220
Alix: But ocean Park, this is the other complication ocean park is part of the city of Santa Monica even though it's under a California coastal act but it's not part of La city so Santa Monica has its own city council that that.

752
01:40:54.090 --> 01:41:06.120
barrycassilly: Santa Monica has exactly the same set of approved rules by the coastal Commission that Venice does they have an approved land use plan, they do not have an approved.

753
01:41:06.390 --> 01:41:07.050
Alix: Implementing a.

754
01:41:07.230 --> 01:41:08.340
Alix: plan that's.

755
01:41:08.700 --> 01:41:24.270
barrycassilly: Exactly the same but they the coastal Commission deals with Santa Monica coastal Commission completely different than Venice coastal Commission land and like literally you you go block apart and the rules are completely different.

756
01:41:24.300 --> 01:41:30.000
lauren siegel: And how is that acceptable, how is it there's different treatment for the same access to coastal end.

757
01:41:30.270 --> 01:41:31.440
barrycassilly: It not acceptable.

758
01:41:31.620 --> 01:41:33.360
Andrew Mika: it's not acceptable.

759
01:41:34.770 --> 01:41:35.430
Alix: it's not.

760
01:41:37.710 --> 01:41:38.160
Alix: it's not.

761
01:41:38.400 --> 01:41:38.880
Alix: A, by the way.

762
01:41:41.640 --> 01:41:48.390
Alix: And I can't really site, the project but Andrew and I just dealt with this on a project that we're that we're in the midst of dealing with.

763
01:41:48.780 --> 01:42:00.690
Alix: Which is that coastal is now looking and we're going to have to figure out how to address this and I and i've actually vetted this out with a couple of other land use people, because it was the first i've heard of it but coastal is now.

764
01:42:01.350 --> 01:42:08.760
Alix: Saying no to certain at us and asking that projects be filed as to single families and not as a single family with an ad.

765
01:42:09.150 --> 01:42:24.600
Alix: Which is going to be a whole separate can of worms that we're going to have to figure out how to discuss, but you know that then triggers different parking requirements that then triggers different ways of filing so it's sort of a gigantic mess, for lack of a better way of described.

766
01:42:26.010 --> 01:42:40.260
Alix: I was, I was shocked to hear this, but to that point, what I would what I would like to see to this motion that that before us is that if we're really looking to help out the average middle class person that wants to build.

767
01:42:41.520 --> 01:42:45.600
Alix: i'm so sorry i've such a headache it's hard for me to get my thoughts clear um.

768
01:42:46.950 --> 01:42:57.540
Alix: If we really want to look to help the average homeowner add density in Venice and we fear when we have see big llc coming in and being disruptive to the Community.

769
01:42:57.900 --> 01:43:13.020
Alix: I would like to see something like this motion apply just to an individual person developing on their property and not to develop by llc I don't know that you guys will agree with that, but that's my personal pov on this.

770
01:43:13.260 --> 01:43:30.510
lauren siegel: elite i'm not clear why you want two sets of rules, I mean really realistically you seem to bring up the middle class versus an llc but isn't it all the similar treatment, no matter who's trying to do it, I mean, why is it an us versus them kind of attitude.

771
01:43:31.200 --> 01:43:35.190
Alix: Well, I don't I mean lauren I don't think it's an us versus them type of attitude.

772
01:43:35.460 --> 01:43:43.410
Alix: But if you see someone who and we've seen this before Lou pack, and if you see someone that's tearing you know tearing down a house with an llc.

773
01:43:43.620 --> 01:43:52.830
Alix: Building a huge mansion and then putting in a 200 square foot agu and saying it's replacement and, by the way, coastal and said, this is no longer replacement.

774
01:43:53.250 --> 01:44:04.410
Alix: They may not tell us that they're doing this for airbnb being or investment purposes or whatever, but it's not really being done to help density and help affordable housing Dennis.

775
01:44:04.710 --> 01:44:15.690
Alix: And I think, like, I am very pro putting in you know, affordable affordable housing and a variety of different housing in in the marketplace.

776
01:44:16.050 --> 01:44:30.630
Alix: But what worries me is the unintended consequences of people looking at the land here and using it as like a way to just enrich themselves without actually looking to put in affordable housing without actually looking to have diversity of housing stock.

777
01:44:30.780 --> 01:44:31.650
Alix: And i'm just waiting.

778
01:44:31.830 --> 01:44:44.280
Alix: As a as a as a pov it's to me it's not an us versus them, it said if we're really serious about this problem and the problem has been getting worse and worse and worse, we have to look at it from all different points of view that's all.

779
01:44:44.580 --> 01:44:53.280
barrycassilly: But I think this point of view of dealing with different people and apply different sets of rules to different classifications of people is like.

780
01:44:54.090 --> 01:45:08.490
barrycassilly: Really questionable um I think if if somebody has a problem with the rules that allow people to do whatever build a big single family home and not a small at you, and that qualifies as something I don't really see the problem with that.

781
01:45:08.910 --> 01:45:10.410
barrycassilly: um but if somebody does.

782
01:45:10.770 --> 01:45:31.230
barrycassilly: Then, change the rules for everybody, like changing the rules for only some people leads to just abuse all across the board, like anybody, like most Homeowners I know how the llc they're not developers, they just are intelligent about like protecting themselves from losses, so they have.

783
01:45:31.230 --> 01:45:38.070
Michael Jensen: llc there's as the as the resident attorney tonight I can just say there are really good reasons to put.

784
01:45:40.050 --> 01:45:52.020
Michael Jensen: A home in an llc or a trust that don't necessarily make you a billionaire developer, but are just whether it's tax reason tax planning reasons or.

785
01:45:54.630 --> 01:46:10.470
Michael Jensen: or liability reasons there are very good reasons to put assets in corporate entities or trusts to shield them or protect them, whether I mean there's just there's so many reasons besides just doing.

786
01:46:11.430 --> 01:46:18.480
Michael Jensen: You know development flips that I mean I don't think that distinction is really targets, the problem I think you know.

787
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:21.810
Michael Jensen: Corporate you know.

788
01:46:23.880 --> 01:46:26.610
Michael Jensen: You know blackstone or something like that, like huge.

789
01:46:30.210 --> 01:46:39.330
Michael Jensen: Wall Street kind of investment Okay, you can you can maybe treat that as a call that a different kind of category of developer than.

790
01:46:41.250 --> 01:46:53.070
Michael Jensen: You know what our Community essentially Community builders they live here they employ local contractors like this is part of our economic engine I wouldn't you know.

791
01:46:54.420 --> 01:46:56.580
Alix: You get what you get what i'm getting at like.

792
01:46:56.640 --> 01:47:03.120
Alix: Yes, I under, I guess, I understand that you have people that have their houses and llc but you've got the concern that i'm raising.

793
01:47:03.480 --> 01:47:06.750
Michael Jensen: But yes, I want to say, I mean I know a very.

794
01:47:07.230 --> 01:47:19.110
Michael Jensen: I mean not that I would say, I have like my finger on the pulse of this but, like in terms of like massive like the macro shift you're seeing in like Canadian markets and in places like Arizona where like.

795
01:47:19.440 --> 01:47:29.580
Michael Jensen: These huge investment firms are buying up tons of single family residences like you know some entire subdivisions, and you know.

796
01:47:30.390 --> 01:47:36.660
Michael Jensen: move shifting from where people own homes to now they're renting homes like that movement, which is happening i'm not denying if.

797
01:47:37.110 --> 01:47:58.290
Michael Jensen: I in Venice it's a very no massive investment fund is looking at a place like Venice where it's very difficult to navigate the permitting like these guys want volume and numbers and like Yes, they are totally buying single family homes across like Arizona Nevada parts of Canada.

798
01:47:59.580 --> 01:48:07.110
Michael Jensen: And and that's having I think a detrimental effect to middle class home home ownership but I don't think it's the same.

799
01:48:08.580 --> 01:48:16.680
Michael Jensen: You know, for the most part the developers and you know even the ones building spec houses here are not.

800
01:48:17.160 --> 01:48:31.620
Michael Jensen: You know these behemoth corporations, because they don't want to touch stuff as unpredictable as discretionary development in a place like Venice that's how I read oven and just knowing how these things.

801
01:48:33.030 --> 01:48:33.300
Alix: money.

802
01:48:33.480 --> 01:48:34.350
Alix: You want to say something.

803
01:48:34.710 --> 01:48:48.030
Mehrnoosh: yeah I, I have a concern which i'm hoping that there is an answer, for it is like some some lots where you can do more than two units, you can do you know if you have existing one unit, and you can do an.

804
01:48:48.510 --> 01:49:00.030
Mehrnoosh: issue as well, but i'm just wondering if you could your lot allows you to have two units plus an ad you if you do an ad you first you can still do a second unit.

805
01:49:00.900 --> 01:49:13.230
Mehrnoosh: It won't it won't stop you from doing something right that makes sense for them so so you got one unit, you can get an ad you didn't can you have your second unit on a lot as well right.

806
01:49:14.700 --> 01:49:27.900
Michael Jensen: hypothetically if you had a square footage on the lot I should let me add one thing the caveat to my comment does not include investment back you know low income housing conglomerates.

807
01:49:27.930 --> 01:49:28.350
Michael Jensen: like it.

808
01:49:28.950 --> 01:49:29.490
Ladies.

809
01:49:31.380 --> 01:49:33.510
Alix: Add to your your thing as well too.

810
01:49:33.690 --> 01:49:40.380
Michael Jensen: yeah i'm talking about the the single family home like what what we call like the spec home builders.

811
01:49:41.460 --> 01:49:47.220
Michael Jensen: i'm not talking about I mean, yes, there is a massive I mean the largest corporate developer and venice's.

812
01:49:47.460 --> 01:49:48.030
Venice case.

813
01:49:49.200 --> 01:49:49.920
Michael Jensen: and

814
01:49:49.980 --> 01:49:53.310
Michael Jensen: that's a different animal than what i'm talking about.

815
01:49:53.430 --> 01:50:05.070
barrycassilly: that yes, thank you, there are no, no, none zero large corporate developers in Venice except these like i'm homeless service developers.

816
01:50:05.490 --> 01:50:17.010
barrycassilly: there's like a fee and vc he is the largest developer in Venice by far they're the only corporate developer in Venice, there are no corporate developers.

817
01:50:17.340 --> 01:50:31.020
barrycassilly: Working in on smaller projects in Venice, be they like four unit properties or single family home or two unit properties Those are all like small people Community builders like who are.

818
01:50:31.710 --> 01:50:49.620
barrycassilly: You know they know our market, they most of them live here it's a different story with like corporate developers to apply that to like somebody doing a house is just like it doesn't exist that's not a problem that exists, so we don't need to make a separate set of rules for.

819
01:50:49.620 --> 01:50:59.400
Alix: That look Barry i'm just I bring it up Okay, who knew on a macro level in our world what citizens united was going to lead to.

820
01:50:59.880 --> 01:51:05.070
Alix: And that is at the essence, the very same thing, where corporations are deemed the same as people.

821
01:51:05.340 --> 01:51:12.120
Alix: And i'm not saying that this is the conversation that we need to put in now I just think as we look down the line, as we look at more.

822
01:51:12.390 --> 01:51:27.630
Alix: corporate investment into housing, as we look into the commodity and commoditization of hosting market I think it's something to think about and to think that, just because it's not here now in Venice that's, not to say that it won't come here and.

823
01:51:27.990 --> 01:51:35.220
barrycassilly: But it is here now it's here now, we can see it, we have to deal with it we know who they are.

824
01:51:35.760 --> 01:51:52.950
barrycassilly: um and to suggest that it is possible for that those same developers to come in on small projects, the market doesn't work that way it's it's structurally impossible so let's not worry about something to structurally.

825
01:51:52.950 --> 01:51:56.460
barrycassilly: impossible let's worry about the like demon that's here.

826
01:51:57.210 --> 01:52:04.590
lauren siegel: So can we can, can we redirect back to what we originally started to talk about here, and I think what.

827
01:52:05.940 --> 01:52:13.020
lauren siegel: He was suggesting is that we make the process of getting an EDU in the coastal zone.

828
01:52:13.560 --> 01:52:15.840
lauren siegel: faster and cheaper, you know.

829
01:52:16.380 --> 01:52:19.410
lauren siegel: It doesn't sound like anybody here has a problem with that no.

830
01:52:19.650 --> 01:52:27.720
Alix: We don't so i'm going to call the question right and unless Andrew I know you've been silent through this do anything you want to say on this.

831
01:52:28.680 --> 01:52:29.820
Andrew Mika: Oh, my post recovered.

832
01:52:31.980 --> 01:52:39.570
Alix: i'm great i'm we're going to call the question Barry i'm assuming you're approving this motion oh sorry for.

833
01:52:39.690 --> 01:52:42.390
barrycassilly: Another promotion oh I don't I don't have a second.

834
01:52:43.170 --> 01:52:46.650
Alix: lauren second to the motion that's how we opened it up for comments.

835
01:52:47.190 --> 01:52:47.400
or.

836
01:52:48.510 --> 01:52:48.930
Alix: i'm.

837
01:52:48.960 --> 01:52:49.290
Sorry.

838
01:52:51.570 --> 01:52:55.650
Alix: Since you're speaking to TIM about the distribution list for.

839
01:52:56.100 --> 01:52:56.400
Michael Jensen: So.

840
01:52:56.970 --> 01:52:58.110
Michael Jensen: TIM just gave it to me.

841
01:52:58.710 --> 01:52:59.430
Alix: hey do you want.

842
01:53:00.030 --> 01:53:07.020
Michael Jensen: Coastal planning and CD 11 he also said, Venice specific, but I think what he means is that.

843
01:53:09.990 --> 01:53:15.960
Alix: To give us but we'll get we'll get we'll get it i'll figure it out i'll talk to him tomorrow to.

844
01:53:16.050 --> 01:53:22.020
Michael Jensen: I think the group with Laura and does those guys that are working or those gals that are working on.

845
01:53:22.290 --> 01:53:29.490
Alix: It would be like it would be, it would be, it would be born in it would be Jason and.

846
01:53:31.710 --> 01:53:34.230
Alix: The coastal the the coastal Commissioners.

847
01:53:34.830 --> 01:53:35.100
Alix: yeah.

848
01:53:35.550 --> 01:53:38.310
Alix: Probably stick plans for Steve Hudson jacqueline's worth.

849
01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:41.040
lauren siegel: Okay, so we're gonna vote.

850
01:53:41.310 --> 01:53:49.020
Alix: Yes, we're going about Barry i'm doing your yes lauren i'm assuming you're yes, because you did it i'm Andrew.

851
01:53:50.460 --> 01:53:52.170
Andrew Mika: Yes, mchale.

852
01:53:52.830 --> 01:53:58.230
Alix: Yes, British, yes, and I mean yes to so we're done.

853
01:53:58.710 --> 01:54:02.400
lauren siegel: So just to confirm this will go in front of the dnc next correct.

854
01:54:02.790 --> 01:54:05.700
lauren siegel: Correct wonderful yes.

855
01:54:07.650 --> 01:54:08.370
Alix: Look at that we.

856
01:54:08.400 --> 01:54:09.300
Alix: All agreed on.

857
01:54:09.840 --> 01:54:12.150
lauren siegel: We got something done i'm so proud.

858
01:54:12.990 --> 01:54:13.560
barrycassilly: We agree on.

859
01:54:14.460 --> 01:54:26.550
Alix: And mikael to your point I will I will address this with wrath leadership and send the motions to them and find out if this is something if it passes are bored if it can go to rock.

860
01:54:27.540 --> 01:54:45.630
Alix: And if it can then, then I see no reason why it shouldn't be you know why it should go to rock but for for, for I think lauren and and and Andrew you weren't here last week last week i'm so sorry guys i'm just with a terrible headache.

861
01:54:47.160 --> 01:54:54.540
Alix: The way rack works is very similar to the rest of the neighborhood Council systems if this could go through roku Pack and it's wrapped loop have.

862
01:54:55.080 --> 01:55:05.130
Alix: approved this motion, it was then go to the rap board and then the rest of the Rack neighborhood Councils, would have to pass this before it becomes an adopted position of Rack.

863
01:55:05.460 --> 01:55:15.030
Alix: And a majority of rock counts of the Rack Councils have to approve it, I think it's seven or eight of the Rack Councils and I maybe they're 15 of us, I forget the exact numbers but.

864
01:55:16.200 --> 01:55:22.020
Alix: There you go and wrap is the first Sunday of every month for those of you who are interested.

865
01:55:24.840 --> 01:55:25.380
Andrew Mika: All right.

866
01:55:26.400 --> 01:55:27.360
Michael Jensen: ready to adjourn.

867
01:55:28.020 --> 01:55:36.630
Alix: One quick question before joining, and I think I sent you all, an email that's that that done has sent through.

868
01:55:37.380 --> 01:55:45.720
Alix: Through a course on planning that everybody needs to do if you guys haven't received that email, can you please reach out to me if you have problems logging in.

869
01:55:45.930 --> 01:55:54.030
Alix: And you're not getting answers from the city, can you please reach out to me because it will be required to vote on the type items I believe mchale I think you're good.

870
01:55:54.540 --> 01:55:56.100
Michael Jensen: Very it sounds good.

871
01:55:56.460 --> 01:56:00.060
Alix: yeah i'm very I can't remember if you did it um.

872
01:56:00.120 --> 01:56:01.230
lauren siegel: i've already done mine.

873
01:56:01.710 --> 01:56:03.060
Alix: you've done your submitted it.

874
01:56:03.060 --> 01:56:03.510
barrycassilly: All good.

875
01:56:04.410 --> 01:56:05.520
Alix: you're all good so if everyone.

876
01:56:05.880 --> 01:56:06.600
barrycassilly: i'm not but i'm oh.

877
01:56:07.770 --> 01:56:09.420
Alix: Why are you all good if you haven't done it.

878
01:56:11.940 --> 01:56:14.340
barrycassilly: Because I know what's supposed to be done.

879
01:56:15.090 --> 01:56:15.990
Alix: Very but.

880
01:56:17.610 --> 01:56:17.760
Michael Jensen: You.

881
01:56:18.150 --> 01:56:18.420
Andrew Mika: know.

882
01:56:18.990 --> 01:56:20.730
Andrew Mika: conversation about this let's do it.

883
01:56:22.230 --> 01:56:22.770
barrycassilly: let's do it.

884
01:56:23.940 --> 01:56:32.520
Alix: and the last thing is, is, I sent out some dates for December of what everybody wants to do if you guys could get back to me, so I could put those.

885
01:56:33.330 --> 01:56:47.220
Alix: dates on the calendar, I just want to be sensitive to everybody and the holidays so i'd appreciate it, so we can just make the decisions of when we're going to do that i'm assuming with like thanksgiving and Christmas and people have family child I don't want to be intrusive upon that.

886
01:56:47.430 --> 01:56:49.560
Michael Jensen: You don't want to do Thursday thanksgiving Eve.

887
01:56:50.160 --> 01:56:51.690
Andrew Mika: I don't see that email.

888
01:56:52.350 --> 01:56:53.970
lauren siegel: And I asked one more question.

889
01:56:54.240 --> 01:56:56.970
Alix: Absolutely and forever.

890
01:56:58.590 --> 01:57:10.710
lauren siegel: Is there any master list of all of the cases that need to be heard and who's assigned to every one of them, so that we can always know what we're responsible for can we do that.

891
01:57:10.740 --> 01:57:12.600
Alix: So that yeah I have a manager that.

892
01:57:12.630 --> 01:57:14.130
Alix: I have a master list of what's.

893
01:57:14.130 --> 01:57:16.770
lauren siegel: Valuable so that we can see.

894
01:57:16.920 --> 01:57:28.650
lauren siegel: Today, as up front for a case but I don't remember exactly what it was I would love to be able to refer to, and say oh that's mine mine and mine and everybody else can do the same, so can you keep a living list.

895
01:57:29.010 --> 01:57:29.220
yeah.

896
01:57:30.300 --> 01:57:41.160
Alix: I will I have it, and I will I will send it out to everybody so everybody has it and for people that are working on things if they could tell me if they have anything ready for the 28th let me know so that I can start thinking about.

897
01:57:42.120 --> 01:57:46.050
Alix: scheduling and I think we're going to have a joint meeting with.

898
01:57:47.490 --> 01:57:48.900
Alix: With the verb committee on the 20th.

899
01:57:49.410 --> 01:57:57.930
lauren siegel: And just one more point, so if it's a living list that we can all access rather than you having to send it out, we can go look, for it would be great.

900
01:57:58.020 --> 01:57:59.160
Michael Jensen: If that makes isn't she.

901
01:57:59.490 --> 01:58:00.570
lauren siegel: Yes, thank you.

902
01:58:00.990 --> 01:58:02.070
Alix: got it done.

903
01:58:03.390 --> 01:58:04.740
Alix: Thank you done.

904
01:58:06.720 --> 01:58:07.890
Alix: Anything else from anybody.

905
01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:11.700
Alix: Jim I see your hair, yes, did you have something you wanted to say.

906
01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:21.660
james murez: yeah if that living sheet could live on the website so there was a link so everybody in the Community would know who was assigned to a particular case if they had a question that would be even more beneficial.

907
01:58:21.990 --> 01:58:23.490
Alix: Great great well.

908
01:58:24.840 --> 01:58:33.570
Andrew Mika: we'll need permissions then so people can't randomly edit it if it's a Google sheet, but those are schematics we can deal with all outside of this meeting it.

909
01:58:33.570 --> 01:58:41.520
james murez: can be published once a week or once every two weeks, whenever you guys have a meeting and things change just republish it as a PDF.

910
01:58:42.750 --> 01:58:43.170
Okay.

911
01:58:44.220 --> 01:58:46.770
Alix: And someone can help me with the schematics because i'm not always great.

912
01:58:47.160 --> 01:58:47.670
Andrew Mika: call me.

913
01:58:48.480 --> 01:58:49.290
Alix: Thank you.

914
01:58:49.410 --> 01:58:49.890
goodnight.

915
01:58:51.150 --> 01:58:51.870
Alix: Everybody.

916
01:58:52.110 --> 01:58:52.470
I.