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james murez: yeah but I, I have to, I have to hang up and try this, I have to be, I have to be finished in five minutes so yeah we can have a quick conversation yes.

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james murez: Okay.

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james murez: hi.

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james murez: hi Oliver i'm gonna make you co host everybody else in.

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james murez: Okay perfect.

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Daffodil Tyminski: hi guys.

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Oliver Fries: hey how's it going.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Good how are you.

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Oliver Fries: Good just getting set up here.

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Oliver Fries: Did anybody talk to George maybe i'll shoot him a text.

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Daffodil Tyminski: See the only one we're missing right.

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Oliver Fries: Right George.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So unless right.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah if you want to reach out and see if Liz is going to join us.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Do you want to reach out and see if Lewis can join us.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't have her contact information.

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james murez: she's here i'm just promoting her now.

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Oliver Fries: Oh thanks Jeff.

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james murez: I just got off of my call looks like we're going to have an event which doesn't need a budget anymore.

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Daffodil Tyminski: that's how you do it.

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james murez: But you know what kind of said.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well done.

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james murez: She just she wants to talk tomorrow but she's no more cookies.

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Ivan: All right.

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Oliver Fries: All right.

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Oliver Fries: We can go ahead we've got corn.

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Daffodil Tyminski: we're just.

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Oliver Fries: Seeing George so.

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Oliver Fries: This is all of your freeze and calling this meeting to order it's 501 and I am going to take roll.

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Oliver Fries: All of her freeze i'm here.

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Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

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Oliver Fries: cj Cole here.

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Oliver Fries: Oh we're also excuse me guys we're also missing Nick.

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Oliver Fries: Nick and Tony Joe.

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Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan.

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Oliver Fries: And James Chris.

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Oliver Fries: Here okay.

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Oliver Fries: next item we are going to review the meeting minutes did anyone have have a chance to review and have any thing they wanted to change or anything that was they wanted to know in the previous meeting minutes.

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james murez: Actually, can I move to approve the Minutes and let somebody second and then we can talk about it.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I will second it.

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Elizabeth Wright: till.

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james murez: Next time just arrived.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah just mark it as.

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james murez: This President, I just did.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Elizabeth Wright: Yes.

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Elizabeth Wright: i'm regarding the minute my question was I heard that something would be referred.

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Elizabeth Wright: And it got typed as deferred.

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Elizabeth Wright: And that was the.

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Elizabeth Wright: parliamentarian issue.

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Oliver Fries: Okay okay.

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Oliver Fries: So that was defer to the city.

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Oliver Fries: which they are still reviewing.

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Elizabeth Wright: Deeper is correct.

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Oliver Fries: Correct.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay, thank you.

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james murez: So is that is that a typo correction, we need to change.

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james murez: Yes, I didn't understand it.

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Oliver Fries: yeah wish.

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Oliver Fries: The Minutes right now sorry go ahead, this.

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Elizabeth Wright: It says D E, F G R ED.

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james murez: Where do you see that.

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Elizabeth Wright: The very first paragraph.

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Elizabeth Wright: On the Minutes okay.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You know the way I read it was.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Just.

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A judgment on the issue.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think either would work in that situation.

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Elizabeth Wright: Oh, I just didn't know which was correct.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: there any other comments.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, please.

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CJ Cole: Tom I have.

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CJ Cole: kind of a question on Jim.

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CJ Cole: Are you an actual Member or are you an ex officio Member.

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CJ Cole: Now, James here is.

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james murez: i'm not sure I think I was a member, but I can be an ex officio either way, I mean the difference is I don't get to vote, I believe, on rules and selections I said, I would like to be.

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CJ Cole: On the Committee okay.

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james murez: it's up to all of her though yeah he's the one that makes the decision.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and I think.

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Oliver Fries: This is, we can also discuss this, because this is part of old business.

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Oliver Fries: Item five on the agenda so once we get out.

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CJ Cole: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Great I think that's.

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CJ Cole: My question is that makes a difference in our forum.

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CJ Cole: And a lot of things when I really look into ex officio.

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CJ Cole: know our.

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CJ Cole: Our bylaws don't say state anything about ex officio, which means that they are voting members, it looks like in robert's rules.

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Nick Antonicello: Love with you.

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james murez: And cj last last the last meeting we had, I believe I did vote.

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CJ Cole: Yes, yeah and that was kind of why this came up under minutes versus you know.

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james murez: Later, you.

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james murez: Know you're right, we should clarify good point.

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Nick Antonicello: But you're.

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Daffodil Tyminski: physically under robert's rules ex officio members aren't counted in.

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Ivan: forum right.

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CJ Cole: They are not.

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Daffodil Tyminski: They are not.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah right so for those purposes, I don't know that it would make that much of a difference.

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Nick Antonicello: All the cool kids voting.

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CJ Cole: Yes, we can we can.

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Nick Antonicello: know we tend.

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CJ Cole: Yes, you can go unless how.

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CJ Cole: Many.

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Nick Antonicello: People are ridiculous you got a guy who.

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Nick Antonicello: doesn't understand robert's rules of order.

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james murez: Nick calm down.

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Ivan: Harassment charges.

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Nick Antonicello: You tolerate and.

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Ivan: You understand.

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Ivan: If you come after me like that again and you're rude to me i'm going to file harassment charges against you.

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CJ Cole: I can read the robert's rules of order if you want, but it does state that unless our bylaws modifies it an ex officio person Member can vote.

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CJ Cole: Essentially, a lot of the core.

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james murez: Okay, let let me interrupt you what why don't we hold this until we get the item five.

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Oliver Fries: yeah, then we can.

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Oliver Fries: We still have quorum if Jim is an ex officio Member or a Member, so we can still continue.

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james murez: You understand that you're the one that appoints members, and you can do it at the beginning of the meeting, you can do it at the end of the meeting, you can take members out, you can add members in whenever you want Okay, but it's best to usually publish it ahead of time.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and then on this.

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Oliver Fries: On the roll call, here we have you as it doesn't say X official but all, let me determine whether ex officio not ex officio or not.

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Oliver Fries: Later on, if that's okay just.

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james murez: fine with me let's continue.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, were there any other comments on the media minutes.

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Oliver Fries: Then we take a vote to approve these correct.

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james murez: Yes.

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james murez: Okay, and all ball, by the way, all boats need to be roll call.

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Oliver Fries: Correct.

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Oliver Fries: All over freeze I approve.

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Oliver Fries: them in ski yes cj Cole.

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Oliver Fries: And Tony jello.

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Oliver Fries: No.

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Oliver Fries: No okay Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: Spiegel.

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Ivan: You have.

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Oliver Fries: Jim yes.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, okay so that's five to one the approval of the meeting minutes, the motion passes the motion to approve the meeting minutes passes.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on to it before public comment non non agenda items related to the rules and selection committee meeting only.

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james murez: and

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james murez: We have 111 person in the public service raise your hand Helen fell.

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james murez: me unmute her.

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Oliver Fries: Sure, I was about to do it, but go ahead.

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james murez: No, you go ahead if you I don't need to help you if you want to do.

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james murez: It okay.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead Helen.

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Helen Fallon: um I just want to urge this committee to systematically review the bylaws since the deadline is April 1 and it has to go before the board for approval to we're starting to run out of time already, and I just want to also bring up the fact that in the Bible tells.

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Helen Fallon: there's some issues like the neighborhood committee.

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Helen Fallon: Where the representation doesn't really make any sense how it's been allocated and so there's things that needs to be looked at and understand why that isn't being given a priority here, it should be the first priority.

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Helen Fallon: Because, you have the window of opportunity to revise the bylaws Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Is there anybody else.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, it looks like.

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Oliver Fries: We are done with public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Next, we are moving on to old business Item number five President is ex officio.

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Oliver Fries: This was brought up by Jim near as this was something on the old agenda that we brought to this agenda, since we didn't get it oh actually no we brought this to the dnc board and they sent it back to committee, so we need to go through.

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Oliver Fries: This the item for discussion and possible action this motion was presented at the previous event I just explained this.

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Oliver Fries: The actual motion is.

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Oliver Fries: President as an ex officio member of every committee, so long as in so being the president's membership does not conflict with the bylaws, for example, as is in the case with loop heck.

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Oliver Fries: Can someone make.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead, Jim.

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james murez: How he's going to make the motion but I was thinking about it, maybe I shouldn't make the motion, since it has affected, since it has something to do with me.

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james murez: So I like nobody.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Motion you see my recuse from this gym and I will second that motion.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, can I make the motion on these as well or.

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james murez: Yes, Okay, you can also second them.

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Ivan: So I may know, the Chair can't.

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james murez: Okay here cannot make.

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Ivan: Sure, can I told you that before the Chair can't make work second that motion.

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james murez: I didn't know that okay sorry.

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Ivan: I will make the most of the gavel.

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Elizabeth Wright: i'll second.

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Nick Antonicello: one.

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Elizabeth Wright: was right seconded.

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Nick Antonicello: robert's rules.

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Ivan: yeah okay fine.

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Oliver Fries: So now.

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Oliver Fries: We will move to public comment.

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Oliver Fries: We have first Helen.

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Helen Fallon: Myself so.

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Helen Fallon: i'm.

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Helen Fallon: gonna see if I was on the committee you won't have to be on mute me on the audience of one.

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Helen Fallon: um I think the issue with the board meeting was the question of whether this ex parte position will be a voting or non voting position, I think that has to be clarified.

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Helen Fallon: And I think the language of the except I don't know, for example, Lou Pack is kind of weird because it's very specific, so I you know, should be written in a way that.

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Helen Fallon: You know, this does not apply to loop back period, but the issue that the board same address or want to dress was whether it was like a voting or not voting position and if it's a voting position that changes awful lot of things.

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Helen Fallon: And it shouldn't be a voting position.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, that is, it for public comment moving into committee discussion.

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Ivan: However.

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Oliver Fries: yeah go ahead.

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Ivan: All right, according to robert's rules of voting thing, the only thing that's different is ex officio doesn't count them the quorum and Nick go to your robert's rules and look it up, you probably haven't done that.

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Ivan: I wanted another thing just came up here.

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Ivan: i'd like to deal with this to the same time.

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Ivan: What happens.

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Nick Antonicello: If this.

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Ivan: If this passes.

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Ivan: And the President is ex officio they also have to be allowed to actually be a member on the Committee if the committee chair chooses.

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Ivan: You understand, so the other than Luke pick you can override the.

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Ivan: Like saying i'm making him a full member of the committee.

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Ivan: So we need to get the wording for this and that it's like just one more sentence and and password same time.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, but this, this would still be an issue with other committees correct.

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Ivan: yeah know.

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Nick Antonicello: What the passion is he acting and right now.

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Ivan: I think I have the floor.

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Nick Antonicello: Wonderful.

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Oliver Fries: hold on.

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Ivan: Everyone needs to raise.

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Oliver Fries: i'm going to go back to Ivan but you need to raise your hand if you're going to speak.

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Oliver Fries: cgi see, so thank you for raising your hand you'll you'll be next.

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Oliver Fries: I haven't go back you go ahead, sorry you're muted because.

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Ivan: Oh.

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Oliver Fries: There you go.

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Oliver Fries: I haven't you're still muted.

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Ivan: Okay, this is better.

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Ivan: Yes, alright alright.

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Ivan: The President as extra ratio can do anything that any other member of the committee can do except counting the quorum.

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Oliver Fries: Okay got that out.

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Ivan: This is all right, this is a different issue that, for example, Jim is now extra fishy on this committee.

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Ivan: You can appoint him.

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Ivan: For number of.

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Ivan: Talking.

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Nick Antonicello: I have a point in.

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Ivan: The future me I don't care i'm the middle a comment here.

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Ivan: You can do that, after i'm done.

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Ivan: You don't get to interrupt me.

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Ivan: If you, the chair of this committee wanted to make him a full member of the committee, which means he would count in the quorum, we need to put that in here just to be clear, so we don't have this discussion with other committees in the future.

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Ivan: Okay, so.

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Ivan: Maybe we can i'm just going to give you something, and you can revise it.

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Ivan: A committee chair.

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Ivan: Can.

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Ivan: override the exit fish to.

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Helen Fallon: Close.

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Ivan: and make.

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Ivan: me.

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Ivan: i'm a member of the committee.

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Oliver Fries: yeah.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: yeah raise your hand and you see.

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Oliver Fries: All right.

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Ivan: Let me, let me finish.

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Ivan: This is not, as the parliamentarian, this is also a member of the committee.

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Ivan: yeah i'm allowed to make amendments promotions um.

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Ivan: So where was like.

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Oliver Fries: hey.

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Ivan: Okay, thank you i'm.

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Ivan: A committee chair.

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Ivan: May override the extra fishy O clock.

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Ivan: and make the President of phone voting member of the committee have any committee or no their committee.

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Ivan: Committee Chair can override the ex officio clubs and make the President a full member.

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Ivan: A voting member of their community of their committee.

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Ivan: that's my amendments.

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Nick Antonicello: As a committee Member or is the problem and cherry or is it both the.

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Nick Antonicello: lucky ones everybody.

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Ivan: alright.

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And i'd like to.

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Nick Antonicello: let this go.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: All right.

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Oliver Fries: Take it.

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Oliver Fries: I wrote it down so.

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Ivan: Somebody can seconded.

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Ivan: Then we can have a discussion, if they want to modify it.

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Ivan: You see what i'm after here.

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Oliver Fries: yeah okay.

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Elizabeth Wright: I second that.

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Elizabeth Wright: Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so.

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Oliver Fries: Essentially, the motion is the same, but added at the end of the motion is committee Chair can override the ex officio and make the President full voting member of any committee.

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Ivan: On their committee.

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Oliver Fries: of their committee so.

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Ivan: You can we need them.

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Oliver Fries: We need to go to public comment for this right okay.

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Oliver Fries: We have.

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Oliver Fries: Helen go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: Okay here's the question how can a committee chair override.

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Helen Fallon: A standing rule.

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Helen Fallon: That is created by the board.

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Helen Fallon: gonna go there you are basically saying committees can do whatever the hell, they want forget the rules, I mean.

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Helen Fallon: I can see my next losing it because ivan's proposal makes zero sense and the robert's rules i'm going to read you robert's rules regarding ex officio.

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Helen Fallon: not be included in the count and.

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Helen Fallon: and determining a core and both Members and non members of the organization and service ex officio board members typically have voting Member privileges.

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Helen Fallon: However, that right can be excluded, when it is stated as such in the bylaws boss.

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Helen Fallon: Your guys are circumventing the bylaws here, there should be a change to the bylaws and change the description of the duties of the officers, but deciding that it's the committee chair, who overrides is just downright bizarre.

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Helen Fallon: And I don't know where I.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you, Alan.

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Oliver Fries: cj I know you've been waiting patiently so.

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CJ Cole: This has to do with the amendment number one I don't think we should even be discussing this right now.

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CJ Cole: This is something that needs to be in our bylaws I would propose that we make a bylaws change or edition that says that if the President is the ex officio he is as a non voting Member.

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CJ Cole: Then the committee chair can make him a regular Member, but we need to have in our bylaws that ex officio is a non voting position.

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CJ Cole: And it has to be in the bylaws.

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CJ Cole: Before we.

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CJ Cole: Even address it has a standing role.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Max was.

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Oliver Fries: Good.

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Elizabeth Wright: Okay.

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Elizabeth Wright: I.

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Elizabeth Wright: thought it was rather clear if the President is a member of any committee or every committee with currently, with the exception of looping.

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Elizabeth Wright: Then he he does not automatically become part of the quorum kind of qualify for corn, and what is being proposed is the chair on that committee can say Okay, I want you to participate as part of the quorum.

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Elizabeth Wright: that's the difference.

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Elizabeth Wright: In either case it's a wedding Member just whether or not you participate as part of the quorum.

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Oliver Fries: That that makes sense to me.

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Oliver Fries: next few hours ago.

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Nick Antonicello: This is highly unusual Hollywood is not an organization in the mountain that has the Presidents ex officio Member and then you make the standing member on one lady on this whole this whole conversation isn't saying Okay, I make the motion to table.

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Oliver Fries: Every second, that motion.

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Oliver Fries: Nobody seconded motion fails.

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Nick Antonicello: motion to table fails motion to adjourn.

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Oliver Fries: Anybody second that.

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Oliver Fries: Nobody seconds, the motion to adjourn fails.

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Oliver Fries: So now.

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Oliver Fries: We are going to vote on the amended motion.

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Oliver Fries: Should I put this up on the screen I typed it on my laptop doesn't.

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Oliver Fries: Do you guys does everyone understand what the motion is.

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james murez: Yes, could you make sure you put on your screen, because what that does is it adds it to the video recording.

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Oliver Fries: I did it on my.

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Oliver Fries: laptop, so I think.

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james murez: that's okay don't worry about how it just so long as everybody can see it scroll it, you know zoom in so it's.

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james murez: big enough that it's like.

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james murez: Well, that way it becomes part of the permanent recording.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, no problem.

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Oliver Fries: Okay share screen.

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Oliver Fries: This is the, this is the.

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Oliver Fries: Can you guys see this is him did enough not.

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Oliver Fries: Yes or no.

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Oliver Fries: No Okay, I see if I can get this to zoom in there is that better cj.

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Oliver Fries: yeah Okay, so the motion the Amended motion is.

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Oliver Fries: This with this added side and type it on my computer.

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Oliver Fries: gonna take a vote here.

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Oliver Fries: All over freeze yes.

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Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

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Oliver Fries: cj call.

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Oliver Fries: Now, Nick Antonio.

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Oliver Fries: Oh Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan Spiegel.

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Ivan: yeah yes, I would say.

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Oliver Fries: me Eric he is so that it.

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james murez: is yes, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: that's two yeses three knows, one recusal motion Amended motion fails.

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Ivan: No, no, the amendment found.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, the amended fails.

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Ivan: So sniper back to.

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Ivan: The original motion.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, that's okay that's what I was going OK so.

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Oliver Fries: The original emotion.

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Oliver Fries: is now here I hope everyone can see it.

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Oliver Fries: President is an ex officio member of every committee as long as in so being the president's membership does not conflict with the bylaws, for example, as is the case with Luca we went through public comment on this already do we need to go through public comment again no.

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Oliver Fries: No Okay, so now we're taking a vote.

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Oliver Fries: Actually we didn't finish Ivan you, you were part of the committee comment does anyone else in the committee have a comment on this original emotion.

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Oliver Fries: Okay okay Liz I see you raise your hand go ahead.

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Elizabeth Wright: Both of the linked to the violence.

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Oliver Fries: Oh, thank you for noticing that I will.

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Oliver Fries: i'll add that to the Minutes, and I will fix it in the Minutes, if that works, that was an accident on my part.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, now we are going to take a vote on the original motion, let me put it up there.

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Oliver Fries: right here Okay, everyone can see it.

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Oliver Fries: All over freeze yes.

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james murez: You haven't shared your screen yet.

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Oliver Fries: Oh sorry guys.

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Oliver Fries: It is again.

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Oliver Fries: right here.

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Oliver Fries: it's highlighted.

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Oliver Fries: Okay Oliver freeze yes.

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Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

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Oliver Fries: Think you're on mute.

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Oliver Fries: looks like we lost her.

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Ivan: All right, keep going and then come back, maybe show.

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Oliver Fries: Okay cj Cole.

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CJ Cole: She dropped back.

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james murez: he's back.

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Oliver Fries: After though we are taking a vote on the original motion tivo yesterday now.

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Daffodil Tyminski: um I vote yes on the motion and my apologies i'm just going to turn my camera off because I think my Internet is just being a little shaky.

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Oliver Fries: No worries okay Nick.

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Oliver Fries: Was.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan.

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Oliver Fries: Jim.

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james murez: Yes, I agree.

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Oliver Fries: i'm repeating myself Oh, of course, of course, so that is for us is to knows, one refusal, the motion passes.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on to item.

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Oliver Fries: number.

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Oliver Fries: Six join meetings between Committee and the nc.

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Oliver Fries: This was presented at the last committee meeting and was tabled for further discussions at this meeting we had gotten towards the end of the meeting and ran out of time, so.

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Oliver Fries: Jim do you want to add anything to this just any want to shed any light on it just what.

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james murez: yeah you know it now i'm happy to shed light the the do is it is it on the floor yet though let's get a boat.

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Oliver Fries: Can someone make a motion, please.

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james murez: Okay cj made the emotional second.

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Oliver Fries: Okay emotion is on the floor.

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Oliver Fries: Just before we went to public comment, I had to correct me if this is wrong to do, but just so they understand exactly what why this was brought to the table, I was just seeing if you wanted to shed a little light on it.

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james murez: yeah I can do that I can try this came from having had problems with some of the committee's were a joint meeting didn't exist and more than five board members were present.

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james murez: And, and in particular it's happened a few times for Lou pack where the Chair is one of the five people and and the way that the the rules read.

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james murez: It would be considered a violation of the brown act if more than 50% of the quorum participated in a meeting where discussion was going on.

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james murez: And about a particular item that later would come before the board, so if you have a joint meeting you take that issue out of the of the mix now 50% of the quorum, we have a board of officers, that means that 11 officers is the quorum and 50% of the 11 is five.

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james murez: Because six is already a majority, so that'd be five five members and five Members are present you got a problem in the meeting, and this is just to.

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james murez: clear up any issues that that some of the share people have had in the past with having joint meetings joint meeting doesn't mean that the the board members get the boat on the issue they're just there as part of the meeting.

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james murez: And they can listen and talk and they don't have to leave the room when more than five Members are present it doesn't violate the Browner.

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james murez: And that's the real issue, especially now that they've now extended the brown act with virtual meetings for another two more years I suspect we're going to see a lot more.

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james murez: Participation on zoom in all of the meeting, so if this we just make this a standing rule, my feeling was that this would alleviate the problem and we wouldn't have to get into.

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james murez: Did the person hang up are they on with a false name or identity and causing problems and, who knows what else, so I think that pretty much covers it yet.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you okay moving to public comment.

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Oliver Fries: Hello go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: Well, first off, of course, of course, I think a six it's not.

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Helen Fallon: it's 11 for.

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Helen Fallon: 21 it's going to be 611 right.

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Ivan: You can't have a majority of your porn.

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Helen Fallon: I know it's a half of a corn so.

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Helen Fallon: Anyway, my point.

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Helen Fallon: I like that.

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Oliver Fries: yeah.

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Helen Fallon: So he.

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Nick Antonicello: Was he talking.

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Oliver Fries: angry when we're finished.

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Helen Fallon: All right, let me start over the point of having a joint meeting for the members is to avoid serial communication.

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Helen Fallon: And those rules about serial communication among board members and so according to done, and this was right out of the mouth of raquel BELTRAN.

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Helen Fallon: Committee members can have a Council members can attend a committee meeting, but they aren't supposed to be participating in any way, shape or form they can't make public comments.

438
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Helen Fallon: are just there to listen and observe that's it so unless that's clarified you're going to be violating those rules, because people are going to assume, and I think Jim you just said.

439
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Helen Fallon: That Oh well, people could come and participate no you can't you're not supposed to be expressing your personal opinions and your viewpoint prior to hearing all the public input.

440
00:37:50.490 --> 00:38:04.590
Helen Fallon: And we're taking a position in advance it's just wrong it's not our boy membership function, so they got to understand that if you're going to have a standing rule like this, you need to make it clear what those rules actually allow.

441
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Helen Fallon: it's not just.

442
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Helen Fallon: showing up and weighing in on public comment.

443
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Oliver Fries: Okay, that is, it for the public comments we are moving on to committee comment, please raise your hand if you have something to say and i'll call you okay.

444
00:38:24.720 --> 00:38:25.560
Oliver Fries: Jim go ahead.

445
00:38:26.190 --> 00:38:38.550
james murez: So it's my understanding, after talking to the city attorney a few years ago that, if it's a joint meeting, the members of the board that are participating at a committee meeting are allowed to speak I don't know where Rachel got her.

446
00:38:38.550 --> 00:38:40.050
Ivan: Information but.

447
00:38:40.080 --> 00:38:51.480
james murez: Basically what she is saying is that if somebody lives within 500 feet of a project they don't get to participate in whatsoever at any level.

448
00:38:51.840 --> 00:39:01.740
james murez: Of the discussion and that's a real problem, because they had said in the past as a board member, we had to recuse herself at the board.

449
00:39:02.550 --> 00:39:12.300
james murez: from participating in the discussion, but at the committee level where we were not making the decision we could participate.

450
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james murez: And that's what i'm basing my understanding on my understanding was with the city attorney when this came up several years ago and and that's how i've always been understanding that you have to be a seated member of the body.

451
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james murez: To be.

452
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:30.870
james murez: what's the word.

453
00:39:32.190 --> 00:39:42.480
james murez: Part of the decision making process and and since I would not be a seated member of the body, I would be would be a joint meeting.

454
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james murez: It wouldn't be part of the seed that I wouldn't be voting at that because I wouldn't be a quorum it wouldn't be a joint meeting where that maybe that needs to be clarified.

455
00:39:51.150 --> 00:39:59.220
james murez: That that the joint members wouldn't have voting rights, but it was always understood that we didn't vote anyway, was the committee that was doing the voting.

456
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Oliver Fries: Thank you okay thanks Nick your next.

457
00:40:06.660 --> 00:40:07.260
Oliver Fries: you're muted.

458
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Nick Antonicello: Oh go left.

459
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:14.160
Okay.

460
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Oliver Fries: Good.

461
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Ivan: Alright, so um.

462
00:40:21.240 --> 00:40:23.550
Ivan: yeah most of what Jim said is correct.

463
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.200
Ivan: The whole purpose of of doing it this way.

464
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Ivan: is so if putting the public on appropriate notice that a member of the public would be aware that extra board members may be participating in the committee meeting now, I have a whole email chain.

465
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Ivan: With Darren Martinez, who was the head city attorney for like 10 years.

466
00:40:53.460 --> 00:40:55.350
Ivan: I can send this over to you.

467
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Ivan: If you want, but it lays out what this is all about he's the one that created the thing about joint meeting.

468
00:41:05.550 --> 00:41:12.240
Ivan: Know board members, under any circumstances if they're not members of the Committee cannot vote.

469
00:41:14.310 --> 00:41:28.020
Ivan: It doesn't that's not the point of Vedic jim's original point to allow board members to participate, what we had before, this is, we can only have five board members in the room participating.

470
00:41:28.620 --> 00:41:36.840
Ivan: There could be more, but only five can participate, and if six wanted to participate, one of the others would have to leave.

471
00:41:38.370 --> 00:41:42.090
Ivan: And it was really messy trying to figure out who was getting kicked out.

472
00:41:43.440 --> 00:41:49.170
Ivan: So that's what they came up with this, I have the documentation for it and.

473
00:41:50.610 --> 00:41:53.700
Ivan: Okay, I mean, I guess, I can send it over to you if you want.

474
00:41:54.600 --> 00:41:56.490
Oliver Fries: Sure, and send it over so.

475
00:41:56.520 --> 00:41:59.940
Ivan: So we can look at Okay, let me explain what it is done.

476
00:42:01.650 --> 00:42:02.040
Ivan: In.

477
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Ivan: and actually still going on now, if the city attorney would only officially communicate with the President.

478
00:42:13.200 --> 00:42:26.550
Ivan: So now I knew the city attorney I had a relationship with this guy and he couldn't answer me directly, so this was submitted through another neighborhood Council President.

479
00:42:27.990 --> 00:42:29.550
Ivan: Is what my questions.

480
00:42:30.570 --> 00:42:31.200
Ivan: and

481
00:42:32.340 --> 00:42:37.230
Ivan: He got the answers and then pass them on to me that's where this is coming from.

482
00:42:37.800 --> 00:42:38.940
Ivan: Like I have.

483
00:42:40.680 --> 00:42:42.000
Ivan: Taken his name out of it.

484
00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:44.160
Ivan: was hard to.

485
00:42:45.090 --> 00:42:46.740
Ivan: Get anybody in any trouble here.

486
00:42:47.190 --> 00:42:48.600
Ivan: If you understand what this.

487
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Ivan: Okay, thank you all right, I will forward this over to you.

488
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Oliver Fries: Okay daffodils are henry's Nick do you want to go, are you still want to start to go last.

489
00:42:59.190 --> 00:42:59.640
Nick Antonicello: i'm going.

490
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Oliver Fries: Alright, good afternoon.

491
00:43:03.090 --> 00:43:11.160
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm a couple things one I don't like this idea I don't personally think the city attorney's advice that ivan's received is correct.

492
00:43:11.820 --> 00:43:22.470
Daffodil Tyminski: I haven't seen it and I haven't spoken in the city attorney so I don't know exactly what it is, but on two levels, I think this is problematic, one I don't see how you can have a joint committee meeting.

493
00:43:23.610 --> 00:43:37.170
Daffodil Tyminski: With two committees meeting under one agenda one voting and other one not voting or just pretending like it's not a real meeting it's like either a meeting or it's not a meeting and if it's a meeting they have to abide by the rules.

494
00:43:38.340 --> 00:43:51.180
Daffodil Tyminski: But putting aside the technicalities as to why I think this doesn't work, I think, fundamentally, as a board, we need to value our committees, let them stay in their lanes, let them do their work without the presence of.

495
00:43:52.290 --> 00:43:58.500
Daffodil Tyminski: The ultimate decision makers, I, which I find to be very inhibiting to a committee and free discussion so.

496
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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, this did come up a couple times and loop back there are sometimes hot button issues that maybe this is a problem, and I think you know the Executive Board can control for that and we can figure something out.

497
00:44:12.210 --> 00:44:22.620
Daffodil Tyminski: But an ongoing basis, I mean we just have the whole board also then going to all the committee's and participating in the discussion, I personally think really undercuts the committee chairs.

498
00:44:23.010 --> 00:44:31.200
Daffodil Tyminski: And we'd be better working with them to prop them up, then sort of standing on top of them and everybody doing double work so that's my two cents.

499
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Oliver Fries: Okay cj.

500
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CJ Cole: I totally disagree with daffodil on that I think it's very important that our board members attend committees, so that they know enough to be able to vote when they get to the.

501
00:44:55.110 --> 00:45:08.190
CJ Cole: The Board, you know you can't you can't do 40 items on an agenda and have an educated board unless they had an opportunity to go to these committee meetings.

502
00:45:08.550 --> 00:45:17.760
CJ Cole: And I rarely will miss a little bit just because it's much too important to understand it before you vote on the board.

503
00:45:18.210 --> 00:45:32.670
CJ Cole: And there are other committees that I think the Board should should be able to go to as many as want so they understand what they're going to be voting on when they get to the general board Thank you.

504
00:45:34.830 --> 00:45:39.660
james murez: Oliver did you notice it Helen has her hand up I don't know, did you do public comment already did.

505
00:45:40.530 --> 00:45:42.720
Oliver Fries: It we did it she raised.

506
00:45:43.230 --> 00:45:43.560
Sorry.

507
00:45:44.640 --> 00:45:45.060
james murez: put it down.

508
00:45:45.210 --> 00:45:46.230
Oliver Fries: put it down, I think it was an.

509
00:45:46.230 --> 00:45:48.150
james murez: Accident I should have taken it down.

510
00:45:49.350 --> 00:45:50.700
Oliver Fries: Okay back here up.

511
00:45:51.720 --> 00:45:54.720
Nick Antonicello: There were several issues here we worked on a committee system.

512
00:45:56.130 --> 00:46:10.200
Nick Antonicello: The committee's then brought forward the emotions, the full board every board member has the right to deliberate at the board level every board member can attend a company meeting and speak on the public comment.

513
00:46:11.250 --> 00:46:16.860
Nick Antonicello: This whole thing is we've done them all Canadian all elected officials of the neighborhood Council.

514
00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:28.110
Nick Antonicello: to liberate at the board level and emotion I don't know what you people trying to accomplish here you're undermining the very committee system which is at the party Defense neighborhood Council.

515
00:46:30.060 --> 00:46:42.660
Nick Antonicello: Secondly, you have someone on this board with the Member parliamentarian good time in China again tonight is interpreting bylaws determining robert's rules, it is a comfortable.

516
00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:44.130
Elizabeth Wright: place.

517
00:46:44.520 --> 00:47:01.800
Nick Antonicello: And the article 12 of this file was it says, you must have a unbiased palminteri which is not the case tonight, look at your bylaws read Article i'm showing this board okay i'm showing this board and i'm showing the.

518
00:47:06.840 --> 00:47:08.610
Nick Antonicello: floor and i'm not done.

519
00:47:10.620 --> 00:47:16.740
Nick Antonicello: If you people are going to continue to ignore the scanning roles, the bylaws and robert's rules in general.

520
00:47:18.180 --> 00:47:18.990
Nick Antonicello: This committee.

521
00:47:19.200 --> 00:47:19.500
is going.

522
00:47:20.790 --> 00:47:32.160
Nick Antonicello: To soon okay so i'm telling you right now, you better start taking this seriously and not let one person just do whatever he wants, however, he wants all the time.

523
00:47:33.240 --> 00:47:33.690
Okay.

524
00:47:35.430 --> 00:47:36.570
Ivan: Okay i'll have her.

525
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:37.770
Oliver Fries: yeah a.

526
00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:43.260
Ivan: soon as he brings up that he's suing we cannot discuss.

527
00:47:43.260 --> 00:47:44.220
Ivan: Nice anymore.

528
00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:47.220
Ivan: My best go directly to city attorney.

529
00:47:47.520 --> 00:47:48.060
Daffodil Tyminski: Ivan.

530
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Daffodil Tyminski: oliver's the chairs that let him call on who's speaking next.

531
00:47:52.950 --> 00:47:54.990
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you are, you are out of order.

532
00:47:55.740 --> 00:47:59.520
Ivan: Thank you well this whole thing now is out of order when we can't be talking about it.

533
00:48:01.110 --> 00:48:02.970
Ivan: It has to go to this Ruby attorney.

534
00:48:03.570 --> 00:48:04.290
james murez: Thank you, I.

535
00:48:05.070 --> 00:48:05.400
Can.

536
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:07.980
Oliver Fries: wants to say something go.

537
00:48:09.870 --> 00:48:10.230
Elizabeth Wright: Thank you.

538
00:48:13.620 --> 00:48:20.190
Elizabeth Wright: This is my understanding, I have been in meetings of joint committee meetings, and you can have.

539
00:48:21.300 --> 00:48:33.120
Elizabeth Wright: a quorum or one and not a quorum, on the other, but still all of the members of the other committee get to talk and that's what this is all about really.

540
00:48:34.200 --> 00:48:47.490
Elizabeth Wright: Your the likelihood that you are going to have 11 people who want to participate as in make their comments at any loop back meeting or any other meeting is.

541
00:48:48.600 --> 00:48:52.740
Elizabeth Wright: a sign that there should really should be a board meeting on that subject.

542
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:57.570
Elizabeth Wright: So i'm in favor of this motion.

543
00:49:00.780 --> 00:49:01.230
Oliver Fries: Okay.

544
00:49:03.030 --> 00:49:04.170
Oliver Fries: we're gonna go Jim.

545
00:49:04.620 --> 00:49:15.660
james murez: I just wanted to clarify that one of the things that Nick said was he didn't understand why we wanted to do this, the reason we want to do this is because, as board members were not allowed to hear projects within 500 feet of our property.

546
00:49:16.680 --> 00:49:27.210
james murez: And it's come up many times we have people all over the Community board members all over the Community and and that's a fundamental problem, so if if board members Nick excuse me i've got the floor.

547
00:49:27.810 --> 00:49:28.560
Nick Antonicello: i'm not saying.

548
00:49:28.710 --> 00:49:36.060
james murez: Okay, if if if board members want to be able to speak on an item it's very important that they have an opportunity.

549
00:49:36.840 --> 00:49:44.670
james murez: And and otherwise it completely undermines the concept of volunteering, for your Community if you can't protect your own home and have anything to say.

550
00:49:45.030 --> 00:49:59.760
james murez: About what's happening at your home, not at the decision final decision point but, at the committee point if you have if you know things that other people don't know because they don't live within 500 feet, you certainly should be able to speak out about it and that's my personal feeling.

551
00:50:00.090 --> 00:50:01.800
Nick Antonicello: And you can have the public comment.

552
00:50:03.150 --> 00:50:04.980
Nick Antonicello: Under public on that one.

553
00:50:05.940 --> 00:50:09.450
james murez: I don't want to debate it with you, but if there's more than five people is.

554
00:50:10.080 --> 00:50:13.590
Nick Antonicello: Just one discussion and debate that's what we're doing.

555
00:50:13.890 --> 00:50:14.580
james murez: Now if they're.

556
00:50:15.660 --> 00:50:24.600
Nick Antonicello: saying to you is this is that under public comment you can say whatever you like, and if you're a member of the dnc, you have the final shape because you're deliberate there is.

557
00:50:25.410 --> 00:50:26.790
james murez: No you're missing the point.

558
00:50:26.850 --> 00:50:40.890
james murez: you're missing the point if there are five people in the room, you cannot any longer say anything in public comment, there would be speaking out about an item that's on the agenda that you're later going to hear if it's not a joint meeting.

559
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james murez: that's the fundamental issue you got it exactly but you twisted it around to not understanding that one little point.

560
00:50:51.150 --> 00:50:51.780
Nick Antonicello: Not those.

561
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james murez: it's a very, very small point but you can't make I would I would not be able to sit up there at the table and interact, as though I was a committee Member.

562
00:51:03.120 --> 00:51:07.530
james murez: I would be standing there speaking in public comment and have raised my hand.

563
00:51:08.100 --> 00:51:20.310
james murez: And because there's not a committee there there's only more than five people there and that's where the problem has come in, in the past cj seen it i've seen a daffodil seen it, but she doesn't agree that's Okay, he doesn't have to agree.

564
00:51:26.190 --> 00:51:26.580
Okay.

565
00:51:28.560 --> 00:51:31.140
Oliver Fries: we're gonna take a we're going to take a vote now.

566
00:51:32.760 --> 00:51:34.740
Oliver Fries: we're done with committee discussion.

567
00:51:35.880 --> 00:51:37.770
Oliver Fries: So let me put it up on my screen.

568
00:51:50.460 --> 00:51:51.330
Oliver Fries: is right here.

569
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Oliver Fries: The just to reiterate discussion at nor possible action to approve the following in addition to standing roles all committee meetings are joining meetings between the committee and the dnc board of directors.

570
00:52:11.160 --> 00:52:13.290
Oliver Fries: All of her freeze yes.

571
00:52:14.970 --> 00:52:16.170
Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

572
00:52:17.190 --> 00:52:18.900
Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, i'm sorry, no.

573
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cj.

574
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Oliver Fries: cj.

575
00:52:26.520 --> 00:52:28.050
CJ Cole: Yes, sorry.

576
00:52:28.350 --> 00:52:30.810
Oliver Fries: Okay, Nick Hello.

577
00:52:31.980 --> 00:52:31.980
Nick Antonicello: person.

578
00:52:35.340 --> 00:52:36.390
james murez: didn't understand what he said.

579
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Oliver Fries: He said present is that.

580
00:52:39.180 --> 00:52:40.200
Ivan: Okay, go on.

581
00:52:41.730 --> 00:52:42.570
Ivan: The kitchen counter.

582
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Oliver Fries: Okay Elizabeth.

583
00:52:44.940 --> 00:52:48.060
Nick Antonicello: Why he's not the commentary Why is he speaking.

584
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K.

585
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Nick Antonicello: He has no right to interpret.

586
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:53.610
Oliver Fries: Next, please.

587
00:52:53.700 --> 00:52:54.720
Oliver Fries: I can't be right now.

588
00:52:55.890 --> 00:52:58.200
Oliver Fries: Please, please Elizabeth.

589
00:53:01.980 --> 00:53:02.880
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

590
00:53:03.420 --> 00:53:03.870
Yes.

591
00:53:05.640 --> 00:53:06.150
Oliver Fries: I haven't.

592
00:53:06.690 --> 00:53:07.050
Ivan: You have.

593
00:53:09.030 --> 00:53:09.510
Oliver Fries: Jim.

594
00:53:09.840 --> 00:53:10.470
Yes.

595
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Oliver Fries: So that's five yes is one no.

596
00:53:17.670 --> 00:53:20.160
Oliver Fries: One President so that's five to one.

597
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:22.230
james murez: What is what is present mean.

598
00:53:22.890 --> 00:53:25.560
Oliver Fries: I assume it means not voting.

599
00:53:26.250 --> 00:53:30.810
james murez: But the you can't make that assumption he's got his choice yay or nay or abstain.

600
00:53:32.190 --> 00:53:33.780
Oliver Fries: Nick yay nay or abstain.

601
00:53:36.210 --> 00:53:41.610
Nick Antonicello: I have the right to vote as being President not participating in the whirlpool.

602
00:53:43.230 --> 00:53:45.240
james murez: So what you're doing is abstaining that's.

603
00:53:45.390 --> 00:53:48.000
Nick Antonicello: What i'm President i'm not seeing.

604
00:53:48.540 --> 00:53:49.770
Nick Antonicello: Any it's not funny.

605
00:53:52.620 --> 00:53:54.630
james murez: Nick you're causing problems I don't understand.

606
00:53:55.200 --> 00:53:58.890
Nick Antonicello: what's causing problems you don't understand robert's rules of order I can vote.

607
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.320
Nick Antonicello: You don't seem to understand that the choices not yes, no the same.

608
00:54:04.620 --> 00:54:10.110
Oliver Fries: Regardless regardless regardless it passes I just need to understand how to put it in the Minutes.

609
00:54:10.200 --> 00:54:12.180
james murez: yeah I don't I that's what I don't understand.

610
00:54:12.180 --> 00:54:12.480
either.

611
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Nick Antonicello: yeah in a minute she just like any President.

612
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Oliver Fries: Okay motion that.

613
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Oliver Fries: Motion passes it's.

614
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Oliver Fries: It was five to one so.

615
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Oliver Fries: we're going to move on to the next.

616
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Oliver Fries: To number seven okay.

617
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Oliver Fries: Okay number seven committee comments or guardian bylaws corrections cleanups and administrative corrections Liz and cj Thank you so much for going through that and making the changes I don't know if everyone's had a chance to review them.

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Oliver Fries: I want to go over this with you guys, basically, I just wanted to make sure it was in there, so we could talk about it, I don't think we can.

619
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Oliver Fries: and correct me if i'm wrong, but I don't think we can make a motion to just approve all the changes at once and.

620
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Oliver Fries: If George was here, he could speak to it, we need to do an item at a time, so I wanted to have this in here as a placeholder so we could discuss it, however there's no specific motion to pass.

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Elizabeth Wright: Can I explain what I did.

622
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Elizabeth Wright: Yes, please okay my my mission that I gave myself was clean up the spelling grammar punctuation do not change the meaning of anything.

623
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Elizabeth Wright: No abbreviation and that kind of stuff.

624
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Elizabeth Wright: So that is what the marked up copy it's it's your standing rules with all the changes I made okay.

625
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Elizabeth Wright: Then there is the scanning rules formatted so that it parallels the bylaws my understanding of standing rules, it is date supplement the bylaws.

626
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Elizabeth Wright: And it's the same information, word for word.

627
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Elizabeth Wright: But in a bylaws format.

628
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Elizabeth Wright: So that's what you look at.

629
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Elizabeth Wright: that's what I submitted.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

631
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Oliver Fries: cj do you have your hand raised or did I forgot to.

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CJ Cole: I haven't raised.

633
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Oliver Fries: You do.

634
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Oliver Fries: Yes, go ahead.

635
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um.

636
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CJ Cole: OK, I can never tell if I muted you're unmuted okay um loses spend tremendous amounts of time on this so far and really what she is saying is that.

637
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CJ Cole: Nothing really has gotten done yet except for trying to organize nothing has been reviewed for accuracy, whether it is you know pertinent at the moment.

638
00:57:05.460 --> 00:57:11.700
CJ Cole: You know, there is a lot of work to do, for our Community and we've got to stop piece kneeling.

639
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CJ Cole: we've got to go forward, make a decision that we're going to review our bylaws and if they're not correct we've got to get within that time frame are changes made there are so many errors in our bylaws then are standing rule.

640
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CJ Cole: After reflect our bylaws and only they are additions to the bylaws that are legitimate.

641
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CJ Cole: And if this committee is just going to sit here, Willy nilly for another year or two and just add one or two or three loose standing rules, every time it needs it's just a total worthless.

642
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CJ Cole: Is not accomplishing anything but our standing roles are in possible to read air absolutely impossible and even with you know Elizabeth.

643
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CJ Cole: reorganization, which is great, it still is, they just they're not there yet they're too wordy if you look at john mar vista standing roles each role has a one sentence there standing roles take four pages.

644
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CJ Cole: And it accomplishes more than what we are dealing with 16 pages, or whatever it is, and I just think that our committee has got to decide that it's going to stop and.

645
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CJ Cole: Start over again basically um none of this was done for two years is meeting barely met you know so we've got a lot to do, I think, before we can just kind of Willy nilly add more you know more stuff to the end of our standing roles.

646
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Oliver Fries: taffy they'll do your hand up or is that.

647
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Daffodil Tyminski: All okay good I do I do wish folks would be a little patient with the fact that this is a brand new committee with a brand new chair and you don't just jump into the most difficult thing you can do in the first meeting or two.

648
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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sure everyone has been in that position in their lives and appreciate it a little room and respect around their new role.

649
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Daffodil Tyminski: But, specifically, I mean obviously there's a lot of interest in the bylaws obviously they need to be revised, I would suggest that what we do is schedule a meeting or two maybe we do it in November.

650
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Daffodil Tyminski: We could do a second one or October, whatever works for everyone, where we just sort of taken public comment.

651
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Daffodil Tyminski: And we really try to spend the whole meeting just on the bylaws so we can get you know, two meetings, I think, will give enough time for outreach because a lot of times people.

652
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Daffodil Tyminski: You know the first meeting around they miss it or they don't realize, or they learn something, and now they have more common, so you know, two meetings to have meetings, whatever it is.

653
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Daffodil Tyminski: And then we devote another meeting or two to just the revisions, and so this way we don't give a short shrift.

654
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Daffodil Tyminski: You know, we we are going to have to get this done, I would aim to be done by March, because I think it was the deadline so we want to give ourselves a cushion.

655
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Daffodil Tyminski: But that way, I think that we can you know I don't know that we need to start from square one, but it'll give everyone time to get into it get comments us to listen to those comments and then give us some time to actually do the work right so um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I would, I would ask for people, since this is discussion to say if they like that idea or not, and if so maybe if we have some sort of schedule that we loosely all agree with.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All of her that can then go ahead and schedule and, frankly, we could probably schedule it out now so between now and the end of the year, we know when it's going to happen.

658
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Daffodil Tyminski: that's it.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you get a look before we, I mean I love that idea because it's just a lot, we have a lot of emotions to go over every meeting and when when I just get a large document it's it's tough to.

660
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Oliver Fries: To just put it out in front of everyone and us to start to talk about it until everyone's had a chance to go through it and so if we could we could have two meetings just devoted to that, I think that would be helpful very helpful to me, and all of us.

661
01:01:28.140 --> 01:01:32.250
Oliver Fries: So thanks for that recommendation, but we have a couple more hands raised Jim.

662
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:39.270
james murez: um so I first have a question I you know, without having to go back to the video and listen through the whole thing.

663
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james murez: hell.

664
01:01:42.570 --> 01:01:45.420
james murez: Excuse me Elizabeth you sent out three documents.

665
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james murez: And, and one of them was labeled with a large number which looks like it was probably a date and that they all started with something looks like a date and it's a dnc rules document V1.

666
01:01:57.540 --> 01:02:02.820
james murez: Can you describe that one real quickly, briefly, I just want to make it in my notes, so I know which ones which.

667
01:02:04.200 --> 01:02:05.970
Elizabeth Wright: I explained in the.

668
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Elizabeth Wright: email.

669
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james murez: Oh did it because I opened them and I didn't notice that, in the email.

670
01:02:13.080 --> 01:02:15.420
james murez: Because it explains all right i'll go back and reread the email.

671
01:02:16.680 --> 01:02:25.050
Elizabeth Wright: And then, essentially, one of them was the marked up edition of the Standing rules, the second was.

672
01:02:26.850 --> 01:02:27.240
Elizabeth Wright: The.

673
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Elizabeth Wright: So when you save them correct it if the if all of those corrections, or if all of those changes were accepted.

674
01:02:35.610 --> 01:02:37.890
Elizabeth Wright: Then, this is what the document would look like.

675
01:02:39.120 --> 01:02:46.140
Elizabeth Wright: And the third was all of that information transferred into a format that parallels the bylaws.

676
01:02:48.120 --> 01:02:54.360
james murez: So the one that's labeled accepted is the markup has been accepted.

677
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.660
james murez: Yet now parallel to the bylaws.

678
01:02:59.400 --> 01:03:04.140
Elizabeth Wright: The know the market has been accepted it's in exactly the same format that it is today.

679
01:03:04.380 --> 01:03:09.660
james murez: Okay, and so the one that just called the one that is the one that is now parallel to the BIOME.

680
01:03:09.840 --> 01:03:11.040
Elizabeth Wright: I don't remember what I need.

681
01:03:11.190 --> 01:03:11.700
james murez: that's okay.

682
01:03:12.090 --> 01:03:13.770
Elizabeth Wright: there's only three so it's like.

683
01:03:14.820 --> 01:03:16.800
james murez: yeah No thank you that that makes it clear.

684
01:03:20.250 --> 01:03:21.600
james murez: About scheduling.

685
01:03:22.740 --> 01:03:30.600
james murez: I know that this is the rules and selection committee but i'm going to throw this out there if we wanted to work on.

686
01:03:32.100 --> 01:03:35.040
james murez: Revising this in a.

687
01:03:36.720 --> 01:03:41.400
james murez: Task Force we wouldn't be able to have much looser.

688
01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:48.690
james murez: structure for the meeting and the task force would be responsible for.

689
01:03:49.710 --> 01:03:56.310
james murez: modifying it and then bringing it back and then the committee would have to take a position and vote on it and that might make.

690
01:03:56.910 --> 01:04:06.930
james murez: The doing a little bit easier than having to always schedule three days out in advance and list everything on the agenda you're going to be working on and whatever else it's just a thought.

691
01:04:07.290 --> 01:04:12.630
james murez: But I like the idea of dividing it up, and I think you know if if we just wanted to go through, and say we'll take you know.

692
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:23.250
james murez: The first two pages at the first meeting and the next two pages at the next meeting, or you know, is, I think it's going to be kind of hard to do that because it's going to jump all over the place from the last time I read it.

693
01:04:23.670 --> 01:04:27.090
james murez: It wasn't as though it was a linear document, it was kind of a.

694
01:04:28.530 --> 01:04:39.210
james murez: Of a haphazard you know, like this got poked in here and now, it really belongs over there, so i'm open to whatever I just wanted to make make that comment, thank you.

695
01:04:43.920 --> 01:04:44.250
Oliver Fries: Nick.

696
01:04:45.900 --> 01:04:47.310
Nick Antonicello: yeah i'd like to thank lizard.

697
01:04:49.380 --> 01:04:49.860
Oliver Fries: Work the.

698
01:04:51.150 --> 01:04:53.940
Nick Antonicello: Bigger question is is, why is it the master we have.

699
01:04:55.590 --> 01:04:59.340
Nick Antonicello: Who is the constant in this by was stating rules equation.

700
01:05:00.630 --> 01:05:13.740
Nick Antonicello: And this committee is now have to clean the mess, because the last committee never met they met twice in a whole year, and the only reason why they met is because I personally put in by was revisions that will never use.

701
01:05:14.100 --> 01:05:15.150
Elizabeth Wright: let's look forward.

702
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:23.790
Oliver Fries: yeah we're working on it is anybody does anybody else have anything to comment on Item number seven and.

703
01:05:24.810 --> 01:05:26.550
Oliver Fries: are just on daffodils idea.

704
01:05:27.690 --> 01:05:29.220
Oliver Fries: Go go go ahead cj.

705
01:05:31.590 --> 01:05:33.450
james murez: you're muted tj yeah.

706
01:05:35.760 --> 01:05:36.210
Oliver Fries: Go ahead.

707
01:05:41.130 --> 01:05:41.820
CJ Cole: Okay.

708
01:05:43.740 --> 01:05:55.260
CJ Cole: yeah I agree with daffodil 100% now reading robert's rules, there is a way to hell committee work on something like this.

709
01:05:55.890 --> 01:06:13.020
CJ Cole: That can pay a committee or not really a committee, I think it's a task force idea, but it cannot be a member of the neighborhood council of the board, you know so What it does is like I could appoint.

710
01:06:13.260 --> 01:06:15.960
CJ Cole: lives and Jim Smith.

711
01:06:16.020 --> 01:06:26.490
CJ Cole: or somebody to be a little subcommittee that would be able to sit next to each other at a table and work, you know that's our biggest problem is that we.

712
01:06:26.940 --> 01:06:38.640
CJ Cole: You know, we can't sit next to each other and get anything done but apparently that's impossible, you know because we're under the brown act as long as we're members of the board.

713
01:06:40.560 --> 01:06:46.140
CJ Cole: And that's just that's all I mean I think it's you know I think it's more than two meetings but.

714
01:06:47.310 --> 01:06:50.670
CJ Cole: It it just it's gotta be done.

715
01:06:53.970 --> 01:06:54.720
Oliver Fries: yeah def.

716
01:06:55.170 --> 01:06:55.560
Good.

717
01:06:56.670 --> 01:07:05.280
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah and sorry about the airplanes and all the noise um, I just wanted to comment back on what Jim said, and because perhaps I misspoke but I didn't mean break up.

718
01:07:06.690 --> 01:07:13.980
Daffodil Tyminski: The bylaws into pieces and do one piece in one meeting one piece another meeting I mean, however, it goes organically flows it's going to happen.

719
01:07:14.340 --> 01:07:28.800
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sure we're going to get a lot of public comment, but I was just thinking having multiple meetings so that we could address issues, maybe twice, if you know as a result of a discussion we get a lot of comment back we'd still have some bandwidth left to be able to make a decision.

720
01:07:30.120 --> 01:07:35.940
Daffodil Tyminski: I love the idea of Task Force in certain situations and maybe this is a good one to have recommendations, but.

721
01:07:36.420 --> 01:07:43.380
Daffodil Tyminski: I worry sometimes the task forces just go off into the ether, and the public doesn't really know what's going on, or what they're doing.

722
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:57.150
Daffodil Tyminski: And then, all of a sudden this like final thing comes back on a plate, and then we're now starting again, where the committee could have been so I am i'm kind of agnostic on an Oliver I defer to 1,000% but.

723
01:07:58.680 --> 01:08:03.330
Daffodil Tyminski: task forces, sometimes I find to be not as expedient is we want them today.

724
01:08:06.660 --> 01:08:07.050
yeah.

725
01:08:09.540 --> 01:08:10.440
Oliver Fries: Give your hand up here with.

726
01:08:10.680 --> 01:08:12.330
james murez: Oh no i'm sorry I never took it down.

727
01:08:12.690 --> 01:08:13.830
Oliver Fries: I got I got you.

728
01:08:13.920 --> 01:08:15.480
james murez: alone sorry.

729
01:08:15.900 --> 01:08:17.070
Oliver Fries: I just load it for you.

730
01:08:17.250 --> 01:08:17.970
james murez: Oh, my God.

731
01:08:19.350 --> 01:08:20.880
Oliver Fries: Okay, so uh.

732
01:08:26.280 --> 01:08:40.830
Oliver Fries: I need to think about I want to approach it but i'll send out an email to everyone, whether we're going to have a meeting with all of us, or Task Force I just I need to go over the rules and how it would work I don't want to make a decision, right here.

733
01:08:42.210 --> 01:08:48.870
Oliver Fries: But if that's okay i'll just i'll email some dates are and try to figure out how I want to approach this does that work with everyone.

734
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:56.370
Oliver Fries: OK OK let's go let's go on that was old business we're moving on to do business.

735
01:08:57.750 --> 01:08:59.010
Oliver Fries: Item number eight.

736
01:09:01.050 --> 01:09:07.080
Oliver Fries: Request for a vision of proposed amendment to done code of conduct i'll go ahead and put it up on the.

737
01:09:08.370 --> 01:09:09.060
screen here.

738
01:09:13.440 --> 01:09:32.280
Oliver Fries: done say done code of conduct this was something that was presented by westside regional alliance of Councils Board of neighborhood Commissioners is reviewing amendments presented by done granting additional discretion for determining guilt and imposing penalties.

739
01:09:33.930 --> 01:09:46.230
Oliver Fries: They recommended this specific motion and that the workplace equity policy be incorporated into the new amendments being proposed, I provided a link here that gives to the webpage.

740
01:09:47.670 --> 01:09:51.360
Oliver Fries: And the motion is as follows.

741
01:09:52.410 --> 01:09:55.500
Oliver Fries: Can anyone make a motion to bring this to the floor.

742
01:09:55.980 --> 01:09:59.130
james murez: yeah i'll make the motion that's changed miras.

743
01:09:59.610 --> 01:10:03.270
Oliver Fries: Thanks to thank you, James to I get can I have a second.

744
01:10:05.490 --> 01:10:06.540
Elizabeth Wright: loose right well second.

745
01:10:07.260 --> 01:10:08.700
Oliver Fries: Okay, was right seconds.

746
01:10:09.810 --> 01:10:12.750
Oliver Fries: Now we're moving to public comment.

747
01:10:14.250 --> 01:10:18.300
Ivan: But before you do, can I ask him to explain what's the food.

748
01:10:19.110 --> 01:10:19.500
Okay.

749
01:10:21.330 --> 01:10:23.070
james murez: Well, can you put it back up on the screen.

750
01:10:23.430 --> 01:10:24.150
Oliver Fries: No problem.

751
01:10:24.540 --> 01:10:26.250
james murez: Or can somebody just read the the.

752
01:10:26.280 --> 01:10:27.000
james murez: rack but yeah.

753
01:10:27.330 --> 01:10:38.910
Oliver Fries: Let me, let me i'll read it motion, where is the board of neighborhood Commissioners has before consideration of proposed amendments to the Code of Conduct policy applicable to neighborhood Council.

754
01:10:39.480 --> 01:10:51.630
Oliver Fries: board and committee members, whereas, whereas the existing code of conduct applicable to the neighborhood councils should be amended to create a greater enforcement mechanism, and whereas.

755
01:10:52.920 --> 01:10:59.610
Oliver Fries: The proposed amendments to the Code of Conduct submitted by the Department of neighborhood empowerment done to the board and neighborhood Commissioners.

756
01:11:00.120 --> 01:11:09.150
Oliver Fries: bonk grant too much discretion to done in determining guilt and imposing penalties now, therefore, be it resolved that.

757
01:11:09.960 --> 01:11:15.900
Oliver Fries: bonk is advised against approving the proposed amendments to the Code of Conduct in their current form.

758
01:11:16.770 --> 01:11:25.920
Oliver Fries: The blank and CC CC request that the Department of neighborhood empowerment in consultation with an ad hoc group of neighborhood Council members.

759
01:11:26.190 --> 01:11:34.290
Oliver Fries: revise the proposed amendments to ensure they afford board and committee members, adequate due process rather than grantee in that environment sole discretion.

760
01:11:34.620 --> 01:11:38.790
Oliver Fries: To immediately suspended Member based on an alleged violation of applicable rules.

761
01:11:39.360 --> 01:11:47.250
Oliver Fries: And he had amendments to the Code of Conduct must take into account varying degrees of conduct when considering suspension and appropriate penalties if warranted.

762
01:11:47.910 --> 01:11:52.170
Oliver Fries: code of conduct shall require that the minimum correction necessary to address any issue be.

763
01:11:52.860 --> 01:12:01.800
Oliver Fries: The workplace equity policy shall be incorporated into the proposed amendments to the Code of Conduct on the air formally adopted by the city prior to the neighborhood Councils.

764
01:12:02.130 --> 01:12:10.080
Oliver Fries: city department review process, and then the alternative the Code of Conduct shall incorporate the city's workplace violence policy and guidelines.

765
01:12:12.240 --> 01:12:12.840
If that's it.

766
01:12:14.010 --> 01:12:14.490
james murez: Thank you.

767
01:12:17.730 --> 01:12:18.600
Ivan: You point it.

768
01:12:20.640 --> 01:12:21.090
james murez: um.

769
01:12:21.150 --> 01:12:26.400
james murez: I can give you what my understanding was from listening to it being presented at Rack.

770
01:12:28.050 --> 01:12:40.590
james murez: The Department of neighborhood empowerment wants to be able to remove anybody from any board that was elected or not for that they were elected or selected at their own will.

771
01:12:41.070 --> 01:12:52.860
james murez: They don't have to have a hearing they don't have to have just cause they just have to think that there's just cause and they can go ahead and do so So although the individual was elected by the.

772
01:12:54.180 --> 01:12:58.500
james murez: stakeholders within the Community of that region for the neighborhood Council.

773
01:12:59.610 --> 01:13:01.380
james murez: they're claiming that Rachel.

774
01:13:02.580 --> 01:13:03.300
james murez: In done.

775
01:13:03.600 --> 01:13:11.310
james murez: can say Oh, we don't like the color of your hair today so you're gone and you're no longer on your neighborhood Council.

776
01:13:12.420 --> 01:13:19.950
james murez: And that seems like a fundamental problem they they're not going to offer an appeal process they're not going to offer any kind of public input.

777
01:13:20.790 --> 01:13:31.740
james murez: they're not going to allow anything other than they get to be the ultimate dictators now to me that violates the very concept of the neighborhood Council system.

778
01:13:32.490 --> 01:13:39.870
james murez: That it's supposed to be an elected body from the local community and it's the Community who gets to decide who's on the board and who's not.

779
01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:49.290
james murez: Not Rachel, not just because there's conflict or because somebody made a nasty comment, they have processes for those things she wants to just have ultimate power.

780
01:13:52.590 --> 01:13:52.980
james murez: Does that.

781
01:13:53.970 --> 01:13:54.180
james murez: mean.

782
01:13:54.210 --> 01:14:04.980
Oliver Fries: That was my understanding to is this helps eliminate some discretion and and gives policies that they need to go go through so they can't just make those decisions.

783
01:14:05.460 --> 01:14:06.750
Nick Antonicello: I make the most of the table.

784
01:14:09.180 --> 01:14:10.680
Oliver Fries: Does anybody second that motion.

785
01:14:15.300 --> 01:14:16.770
Oliver Fries: motion to table fails.

786
01:14:17.820 --> 01:14:20.070
Oliver Fries: Now we're moving to public comment.

787
01:14:22.110 --> 01:14:24.180
Oliver Fries: heather I mean sorry, excuse me Helen go ahead.

788
01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:36.570
Helen Fallon: um I don't think you want to table this several and a number of mcs have taken a position on this motion, this is essentially you could describe it is turning more cowbell trend to the Empress of empower.

789
01:14:37.290 --> 01:14:51.540
Helen Fallon: Somebody could make an allegation against the board member and without any proof whatsoever just the oh I think they made a racist remark, or they did whatever she could remove the person for several months they can't vote, they have no no.

790
01:14:52.410 --> 01:14:59.940
Helen Fallon: ability to vote on anything they're suspended and there's no so there's no judge process that removal isn't.

791
01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:06.210
Helen Fallon: might be permanent, but it's not appeal during that time, so if you've got a controversial something coming up.

792
01:15:06.870 --> 01:15:15.660
Helen Fallon: All the accusations could be flying right and left you know of, well, I think, someone so looked at me crosswise and raquel decides that well that's not acceptable.

793
01:15:16.200 --> 01:15:30.330
Helen Fallon: So it's really important that the dnc take up his fiancee take a position on this, I think it's great that rack is circulating this motion, as I said a lot of other mcs have already taken this position, and they took it several months ago and the.

794
01:15:32.070 --> 01:15:40.260
Helen Fallon: Powers been holding hearings on this and people have been turning out in droves, and the overwhelming sentiment is the hell, do you think you are raquel you're not.

795
01:15:41.280 --> 01:15:52.020
Helen Fallon: Now, nobody put you in charge of everybody, and the ultimate decision maker just getting a lot of pushback on it, but it needs to be official, so please forward this onto the board.

796
01:15:53.010 --> 01:15:53.460
Oliver Fries: hey give.

797
01:15:55.350 --> 01:16:00.660
Oliver Fries: that's we're now finished with public comment let's move to committee comment go ahead Liz.

798
01:16:02.250 --> 01:16:06.870
Elizabeth Wright: In doing a little bit of reading, they are holding workshops and.

799
01:16:08.610 --> 01:16:13.110
Elizabeth Wright: Town Hall kind of things to get input from the stakeholders.

800
01:16:16.020 --> 01:16:24.780
Elizabeth Wright: You know it's not necessarily a done deal and bonk did ask them what are you willing to do to address these problems.

801
01:16:28.290 --> 01:16:29.640
james murez: Okay, you podcasts that are.

802
01:16:30.360 --> 01:16:31.050
Elizabeth Wright: Asked done.

803
01:16:36.000 --> 01:16:36.810
Oliver Fries: Nick go ahead.

804
01:16:38.430 --> 01:16:51.570
Nick Antonicello: you vote for this, this would be the equivalent of the City Council member taking a vote in the city attorney deciding they didn't like how he voted so i'm going to remove them were suspended for being on the city council.

805
01:16:52.650 --> 01:17:07.530
Nick Antonicello: That his neighborhood Council members are elected officials this woman is not like anything she's a government bureaucrat with a six figure salary and she doesn't want and she's going to decide in around how she wants to do it so only an idiot would.

806
01:17:11.640 --> 01:17:12.090
Oliver Fries: either.

807
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:14.670
Ivan: All right, so.

808
01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:17.940
Ivan: i'm gonna go back a little ways here.

809
01:17:19.710 --> 01:17:26.130
Ivan: Because I was involved in this when it first came out 10 years ago when punk was sightedness.

810
01:17:28.380 --> 01:17:32.880
Ivan: They came up with this policy and there was no way to enforce it.

811
01:17:34.260 --> 01:17:43.500
Ivan: So you couldn't make complaints you couldn't do anything was just sitting there and then they made everybody agreed to sign it, or if you were off the board.

812
01:17:46.620 --> 01:17:57.900
Ivan: They then decided that you can file grievances or challenges, and they would put together a panel that would hear it, we had one against us.

813
01:17:59.400 --> 01:18:06.570
Ivan: That we had to go to took a lot of work and they had to find panelists from other neighborhood Councils to hear it.

814
01:18:07.920 --> 01:18:13.770
Ivan: So they deciding, they are deciding it's too much work for them i've done.

815
01:18:14.970 --> 01:18:28.350
Ivan: Because they have reduced staff and reduce funding, so why not just split general manager the site, on her own it's a violation of anybody's due process.

816
01:18:30.330 --> 01:18:39.540
Ivan: You can have one person to decide this person's gone to what's going on here looks like this that bracket is getting together and saying this is not okay.

817
01:18:40.980 --> 01:18:58.710
Ivan: And I agree, I don't think this is the way to handle it, you can have one person making this decision over 800 neighborhood Council participants it just not right, so I intend to support this motion.

818
01:18:59.820 --> 01:19:01.500
Oliver Fries: Take you either taffeta.

819
01:19:05.010 --> 01:19:13.980
Daffodil Tyminski: um yeah I I think this is like the exception, as well as the whole kind of role right, I agree with what Helen said I.

820
01:19:14.490 --> 01:19:22.830
Daffodil Tyminski: What I find interesting is reading the text of the motion, the text of the motion doesn't actually says what in rack everyone says it says.

821
01:19:23.400 --> 01:19:39.180
Daffodil Tyminski: And I frankly didn't really understand the written motion all that much because it's sort of like if you vote against this motion you're voting against policies against workplace violence right well, of course, we all want to have a you know safe pleasurable environment.

822
01:19:40.650 --> 01:19:44.220
Daffodil Tyminski: So I wouldn't vote against it, but I would say that.

823
01:19:45.390 --> 01:19:53.520
Daffodil Tyminski: I didn't know list that they were having workshops i'd be curious to see what else is going on here, because the motion to me, does not seem transparent at all.

824
01:19:55.800 --> 01:19:58.650
Daffodil Tyminski: Unless you I can talk to you offline about it, we don't need to go through it now.

825
01:20:01.500 --> 01:20:01.890
Oliver Fries: Jen.

826
01:20:03.330 --> 01:20:03.960
james murez: i'm.

827
01:20:06.900 --> 01:20:15.630
james murez: So I just want to also make the comment because one of the comments that was made earlier that if somebody didn't like the way you were voting on something.

828
01:20:16.170 --> 01:20:24.720
james murez: That they could just have to be removed, I want to make the point that the Commission that oversees the Department of neighborhood empowerment.

829
01:20:26.790 --> 01:20:38.190
james murez: is made up of three Council people three three City Council people and one of those Council people is somebody that definitely does not agree with the dentist neighborhood Council.

830
01:20:38.820 --> 01:20:51.870
james murez: happens to be councilman bomb he's The co chair of that committee now does councilman bond and have any influence on the department chair that's in charge of being able to remove people if they don't like them.

831
01:20:53.070 --> 01:20:53.640
james murez: You know.

832
01:20:55.080 --> 01:21:03.090
james murez: Can the councilman drop a comment in somebody's ear in the hallway and all of a sudden, that person is no longer on the board.

833
01:21:04.320 --> 01:21:12.180
james murez: I would say that the wave that was done is proposing gives her that authority to do that and that's very, very scary to me.

834
01:21:13.440 --> 01:21:25.950
james murez: It really undermines the whole system that that we have City Council people that are in charge of the department and the Department now has the ability, if this thing passes, to be able to.

835
01:21:27.180 --> 01:21:29.550
james murez: To make these kinds of radical.

836
01:21:30.690 --> 01:21:38.730
james murez: removals and and and I think Helen said something about it could be a suspension it's true, it could be a suspension, it could be a suspension and definitely too, though.

837
01:21:39.990 --> 01:21:40.980
james murez: And, and that.

838
01:21:42.420 --> 01:21:51.390
james murez: is not clear that you know there's any process for it whatsoever, they just get to decide so i'm definitely in support of supporting the Rack motion.

839
01:21:51.870 --> 01:21:59.220
james murez: And the only other thing I want to say that did come out in rack about this motion and it's something very important for us to think about.

840
01:22:00.930 --> 01:22:02.130
james murez: There are several.

841
01:22:04.380 --> 01:22:15.840
james murez: Community Councils, that are not neighborhood councils and the difference is, for instance, the palisades is a Community Council they don't get the same.

842
01:22:19.890 --> 01:22:26.700
james murez: rules and regulations that we do they don't have to do, brown act meetings they're not part of the city government they don't necessarily get funding.

843
01:22:27.240 --> 01:22:32.790
james murez: But they still govern their own community, and it was pointed out that.

844
01:22:33.450 --> 01:22:39.390
james murez: Maybe this is a good time to go back for all the people that are still part of the neighborhood Council system and think about whether or not.

845
01:22:40.020 --> 01:22:51.720
james murez: What the neighborhood Council system was originally set up to do and to be is actually serving its original purpose, which was to get the Community involved it wasn't to take people off of the off of the decision making body.

846
01:22:53.280 --> 01:23:01.710
james murez: And they have just as much ability to be able to input Community pack statements and do other things, as we did so it's not really clear.

847
01:23:02.460 --> 01:23:11.070
james murez: If we want to remain a convenient neighborhood Council maybe we just want to opt out of the system, all together, give them back their $42,000 and just raise that money local.

848
01:23:13.440 --> 01:23:14.190
james murez: that's it Thank you.

849
01:23:15.030 --> 01:23:21.510
Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you, that and committee discussion we are now going to take a vote.

850
01:23:23.250 --> 01:23:24.390
Oliver Fries: I will put the motion.

851
01:23:26.430 --> 01:23:28.830
Oliver Fries: My screen it's pretty long build see.

852
01:23:43.980 --> 01:23:44.490
Oliver Fries: Here it is.

853
01:23:47.220 --> 01:23:50.190
Oliver Fries: Okay, all over freeze yes.

854
01:23:51.840 --> 01:23:53.190
Oliver Fries: daffodil Kaminski.

855
01:23:54.000 --> 01:23:54.570
Yes.

856
01:23:55.890 --> 01:23:56.910
Oliver Fries: cj cool.

857
01:23:58.950 --> 01:23:59.520
CJ Cole: Yes.

858
01:24:01.080 --> 01:24:02.280
Oliver Fries: Nick antenna jello.

859
01:24:03.090 --> 01:24:03.630
Yes.

860
01:24:05.700 --> 01:24:06.570
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

861
01:24:06.900 --> 01:24:07.380
Yes.

862
01:24:09.660 --> 01:24:10.590
Oliver Fries: Ivan Spiegel.

863
01:24:11.310 --> 01:24:11.820
Yes.

864
01:24:13.170 --> 01:24:14.160
Oliver Fries: James miras.

865
01:24:14.460 --> 01:24:14.970
Yes.

866
01:24:16.440 --> 01:24:20.880
Oliver Fries: Okay that's seven yeses zero nose motion passes.

867
01:24:27.450 --> 01:24:28.260
Oliver Fries: Okay.

868
01:24:28.770 --> 01:24:30.060
That finishes.

869
01:24:32.040 --> 01:24:33.030
Oliver Fries: Item eight.

870
01:24:37.020 --> 01:24:38.760
Oliver Fries: Moving on to Item nine.

871
01:24:40.830 --> 01:24:42.660
Oliver Fries: Getting towards 630 here.

872
01:24:45.330 --> 01:24:47.970
Oliver Fries: Do you I guess let's make this the last.

873
01:24:48.150 --> 01:24:49.080
The last question.

874
01:24:51.420 --> 01:25:02.850
Oliver Fries: And then we'll we'll adjourn and any i'm just keeping a rolling agenda here, so any items that we don't cover will be old business on so let's just make sure that we.

875
01:25:03.420 --> 01:25:04.740
Oliver Fries: get through these efficiently.

876
01:25:06.000 --> 01:25:06.450
Oliver Fries: Jim.

877
01:25:07.050 --> 01:25:14.820
james murez: i'm just wondering if there are any items that are still on the agenda that might be of particular importance that we want to touch on now something that you know.

878
01:25:15.420 --> 01:25:15.720
Oliver Fries: Yes.

879
01:25:15.780 --> 01:25:17.970
james murez: I have a time consideration.

880
01:25:20.220 --> 01:25:20.970
Oliver Fries: Good question.

881
01:25:22.380 --> 01:25:24.780
james murez: You want just put them up and read over and real quick and we can just take.

882
01:25:25.800 --> 01:25:26.370
Oliver Fries: No problem.

883
01:25:29.940 --> 01:25:33.570
Oliver Fries: Okay, so this is zoom in a little bit here.

884
01:25:36.600 --> 01:25:37.380
Oliver Fries: Item nine.

885
01:25:38.490 --> 01:25:50.400
Oliver Fries: Is regarding registered voters that the crowd voting qualifications fail to take any consideration the fact that la city clerk already has in possession, so this is something in regarding regarding elections.

886
01:25:50.460 --> 01:25:55.710
james murez: So that's not coming up again now until 2023 so we have a little bit of time on that one.

887
01:25:56.430 --> 01:26:06.420
Oliver Fries: Of course, so we'll we'll push that to the to the next meeting item 10 direct appointment by the dnc President requires advice and consent of the full board.

888
01:26:07.740 --> 01:26:10.710
Oliver Fries: This is essentially anyone that President.

889
01:26:12.060 --> 01:26:19.830
Oliver Fries: elect towards a committee or I guess designates as chair of a committee of the Board will have will have say on so let's go.

890
01:26:20.340 --> 01:26:30.630
Oliver Fries: We could go over that or identification of stakeholders speakers during public comment essentially anyone speak public speaking and any of these meetings needs to identify themselves.

891
01:26:31.710 --> 01:26:36.300
Oliver Fries: And or turn their video on just so we can see you.

892
01:26:36.660 --> 01:26:37.950
james murez: Know where's the motion in that.

893
01:26:38.340 --> 01:26:47.010
Oliver Fries: Okay, the motion is right here, whereas the current identification speaker during dnc meetings and their corresponding committee on committees is non existent.

894
01:26:47.250 --> 01:26:50.340
james murez: Down the bottom there I see there, therefore, be it resolved.

895
01:26:50.820 --> 01:27:00.510
Oliver Fries: Oh, there you go, so the Venice neighborhood Council require that all speakers and stakeholders address the border or committee with the first and last name, as well as an address as part of the public record.

896
01:27:03.120 --> 01:27:04.920
james murez: God I wish we could do that okay.

897
01:27:06.150 --> 01:27:06.870
james murez: What other ones.

898
01:27:07.260 --> 01:27:10.410
Oliver Fries: Okay, this was the one that was proposed by mchale.

899
01:27:11.850 --> 01:27:19.530
Oliver Fries: As an amendment to standing rule 14 he read lined the rule and had a few insertions here.

900
01:27:22.200 --> 01:27:22.980
What I need.

901
01:27:24.090 --> 01:27:25.890
Oliver Fries: This is regarding the consent calendar.

902
01:27:27.660 --> 01:27:29.250
Oliver Fries: Jim Jim can you explain this.

903
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:31.440
james murez: yeah i'm just reading it, but it keeps.

904
01:27:32.280 --> 01:27:33.810
Oliver Fries: Oh sorry about that yeah.

905
01:27:33.870 --> 01:27:35.040
james murez: that's gotta sit still.

906
01:27:35.340 --> 01:27:37.380
james murez: yeah push into a pro.

907
01:28:11.490 --> 01:28:13.710
james murez: So it's my understanding.

908
01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:15.630
james murez: That.

909
01:28:18.840 --> 01:28:26.400
james murez: So I guess i'm trying to understand he added some underlines, and I assume that those are the words that he added.

910
01:28:26.670 --> 01:28:28.230
james murez: Correct okay.

911
01:28:29.430 --> 01:28:30.300
james murez: So he added.

912
01:28:31.440 --> 01:28:37.830
james murez: good cause, which I believe is a legal definition daffodils out of legal definition.

913
01:28:39.690 --> 01:28:48.150
Daffodil Tyminski: um it is, but I would say all of these issues require I think significant discussion and we probably shouldn't go into any of them tonight.

914
01:28:49.380 --> 01:28:49.800
Daffodil Tyminski: um.

915
01:28:52.050 --> 01:28:58.620
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah this one in particular, I think, was probably to address some of the issues we had the last board meeting.

916
01:28:59.880 --> 01:29:00.540
Daffodil Tyminski: um.

917
01:29:02.460 --> 01:29:07.950
james murez: I guess I don't see a problem with this one, but if you think that there is this is just clarifying what's already.

918
01:29:07.950 --> 01:29:08.370
there.

919
01:29:24.210 --> 01:29:31.260
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sorry to I didn't even answer your question but good cause is typically what's referred to as adequate or substantial grounds okay.

920
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:40.560
Daffodil Tyminski: So you can't pull something for any reason, right that someone has to demonstrate some reasonable basis right.

921
01:29:45.600 --> 01:29:52.950
Elizabeth Wright: This eliminates somebody just saying everything on this chicken chicken consent calendar I want pulled.

922
01:29:53.340 --> 01:29:53.940
Elizabeth Wright: Correct.

923
01:29:54.870 --> 01:29:58.110
Daffodil Tyminski: Just me personally, if we're going to discuss it, we should call the item.

924
01:29:58.470 --> 01:29:59.340
james murez: yeah I.

925
01:29:59.850 --> 01:30:04.890
james murez: Think, I think this is a good one to work on, we have a few more minutes, why don't we go ahead and take it on.

926
01:30:05.340 --> 01:30:06.570
Oliver Fries: Okay let's go.

927
01:30:09.390 --> 01:30:09.660
Oliver Fries: Okay.

928
01:30:09.720 --> 01:30:10.800
james murez: So who is that cj.

929
01:30:11.130 --> 01:30:14.220
james murez: Yes, okay i'll second okay.

930
01:30:14.340 --> 01:30:16.230
Daffodil Tyminski: So, for the record we're on item nine.

931
01:30:17.910 --> 01:30:18.210
james murez: Or we.

932
01:30:18.540 --> 01:30:19.050
james murez: grow up.

933
01:30:19.140 --> 01:30:19.350
and

934
01:30:21.000 --> 01:30:24.510
Daffodil Tyminski: i'm sorry I i'm looking at 8am nine and 12 right.

935
01:30:26.250 --> 01:30:26.700
Oliver Fries: Okay.

936
01:30:28.770 --> 01:30:33.240
Oliver Fries: let's go to public comment Ellen go ahead.

937
01:30:34.710 --> 01:30:36.510
Helen Fallon: Oh, you took it now, but I think I remember.

938
01:30:36.510 --> 01:30:36.900
When.

939
01:30:38.310 --> 01:30:38.520
Helen Fallon: I.

940
01:30:39.690 --> 01:30:51.240
Helen Fallon: Think getting Oh, thank you, I think, getting into this issue about good cause, is a very slippery slope, how do you determine that the Chair having the sole discretion, I mean on.

941
01:30:52.200 --> 01:31:01.110
Helen Fallon: Other boards that actually the fact that you're allowing stakeholders to take things off a consent is probably the problem where anybody can remove something can consent.

942
01:31:01.530 --> 01:31:07.770
Helen Fallon: there's other boards in their bylaws they only a board member can remove something from consent.

943
01:31:08.250 --> 01:31:22.170
Helen Fallon: So I think this is something that you really ought to seriously look at the long term and just changing in a standing rule and creating this weird because the thing that well it's the opinion of the Chair.

944
01:31:24.150 --> 01:31:37.410
Helen Fallon: If you're just getting into this they're probably very lots of grievances as what the result will be so I think this should be deferred and the bylaws issue and the exam that way.

945
01:31:41.670 --> 01:31:42.120
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

946
01:31:45.030 --> 01:31:54.720
Oliver Fries: that's it for public discussion let's move to any discussion I didn't see the other hand, go first i'm just going to go in order Elizabeth you go first okay.

947
01:31:55.170 --> 01:32:01.200
Elizabeth Wright: It refers to stakeholders, having special powers you're not gonna be able to prove.

948
01:32:01.200 --> 01:32:02.460
Elizabeth Wright: Anybody just take over.

949
01:32:09.930 --> 01:32:10.200
Okay.

950
01:32:12.510 --> 01:32:12.900
Oliver Fries: Good.

951
01:32:12.990 --> 01:32:13.710
Ivan: All right, yeah.

952
01:32:15.330 --> 01:32:17.790
Ivan: Let me follow up on what live said.

953
01:32:19.380 --> 01:32:23.670
Ivan: Again, this is something that I ended up negotiating for years to be attorney.

954
01:32:25.380 --> 01:32:25.920
Ivan: works.

955
01:32:25.980 --> 01:32:30.270
Ivan: stakeholder is wrong, it should be any member of the public.

956
01:32:33.060 --> 01:32:39.330
Ivan: because, basically, what we're doing is we're taking away potentially the right to public comment.

957
01:32:40.560 --> 01:32:48.030
Ivan: So that's why we were that we were never allowed to do this, until we included that in 2020 major thing that.

958
01:32:49.350 --> 01:32:53.070
Ivan: That needs to be amended to any member of the public.

959
01:32:55.230 --> 01:32:58.020
Ivan: Because our meetings are open to everybody.

960
01:32:59.070 --> 01:33:02.100
Ivan: You don't need to be a stakeholder to participate.

961
01:33:04.530 --> 01:33:08.340
Ivan: Now the other stuff is I don't have I don't have a problem with the cause.

962
01:33:09.960 --> 01:33:23.400
Ivan: To remove from the yeah that's Okay, the Chair, shall I was told discretion determine what constitutes good coffee now you, if you remember, this is something that I was dealing with the parliamentarian, in the last meeting.

963
01:33:25.650 --> 01:33:26.370
Ivan: and

964
01:33:27.600 --> 01:33:31.350
Ivan: It happened because somebody just said around pulling everything I don't care.

965
01:33:32.370 --> 01:33:48.780
Ivan: And you're not allowed to do that it's already covered in our bylaws but so with that one change, I guess i'm okay with this with the other trainers, but please change the word stakeholder because that's going to get spit back in our Skype done when they see it.

966
01:33:51.960 --> 01:33:53.490
Oliver Fries: Okay, so Jen.

967
01:33:54.300 --> 01:34:03.450
james murez: i'm just my only comment is is that in addressing the comment that Helen made, I think that this is starting down the right track.

968
01:34:03.930 --> 01:34:10.860
james murez: And I think it does belong in the bylaws and I to believe that it should only be a committee member that should be able to remove it.

969
01:34:11.790 --> 01:34:29.640
james murez: And that would allow us to have much faster meetings that rather than going through all of the extra stuff now i've asked the city if if an item is hurting committee do we have to allow public comment on it at the board that's how the city council is running.

970
01:34:29.700 --> 01:34:30.840
Ivan: that's another whole issue.

971
01:34:30.990 --> 01:34:31.830
james murez: I understand that.

972
01:34:32.340 --> 01:34:33.240
Ivan: For the week now.

973
01:34:33.330 --> 01:34:39.990
james murez: I understand that, but this is going down the same direction, so I think if we're taking a baby step here to say that that.

974
01:34:41.550 --> 01:34:44.310
james murez: This is the policy, I think that we're going in the right direction.

975
01:34:45.870 --> 01:34:46.290
james murez: that's all.

976
01:34:51.240 --> 01:34:52.110
Oliver Fries: So.

977
01:34:56.250 --> 01:35:01.560
Oliver Fries: There was no motion to amend so we'll take a take a.

978
01:35:01.590 --> 01:35:03.210
Ivan: Well yeah true.

979
01:35:03.360 --> 01:35:03.630
Oliver Fries: Did you.

980
01:35:04.890 --> 01:35:05.250
Nick Antonicello: I guess.

981
01:35:06.000 --> 01:35:08.100
Ivan: I should have made that a formal motion.

982
01:35:09.540 --> 01:35:12.030
Ivan: i'd like to amend the word stakeholder.

983
01:35:12.480 --> 01:35:16.560
Ivan: Okay, to any Member or or a member of the public.

984
01:35:19.350 --> 01:35:24.210
james murez: yeah put it up on the screen, maybe, so we can all see it does that sentence does that fit in there.

985
01:35:26.670 --> 01:35:27.060
yep.

986
01:35:28.980 --> 01:35:29.670
Ivan: you're right there.

987
01:35:32.400 --> 01:35:34.140
Elizabeth Wright: Okay you've got Member in there twice.

988
01:35:34.770 --> 01:35:35.190
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

989
01:35:37.650 --> 01:35:39.600
james murez: Well, unless you don't let anybody get by with.

990
01:35:39.600 --> 01:35:39.930
anything.

991
01:35:41.880 --> 01:35:43.860
Elizabeth Wright: I I just.

992
01:35:44.190 --> 01:35:45.600
james murez: Say oh that's good that's good.

993
01:35:45.900 --> 01:35:46.350
Elizabeth Wright: You can.

994
01:35:47.820 --> 01:35:48.780
Oliver Fries: say it one more time.

995
01:35:48.990 --> 01:35:51.960
james murez: Any or any member of the public.

996
01:35:52.800 --> 01:35:54.720
Oliver Fries: I got it board member, and thank you.

997
01:35:54.780 --> 01:35:57.030
Nick Antonicello: Are you letting the most is there a second.

998
01:35:58.020 --> 01:35:59.520
CJ Cole: Yes, i'll second.

999
01:36:00.720 --> 01:36:01.530
Nick Antonicello: Public comment.

1000
01:36:02.130 --> 01:36:04.200
Oliver Fries: Public comment moving to public comment.

1001
01:36:06.300 --> 01:36:08.910
Oliver Fries: Are there any comments on your kid off.

1002
01:36:10.530 --> 01:36:11.160
james murez: Hello Nice.

1003
01:36:11.280 --> 01:36:19.890
Daffodil Tyminski: I I apologize, I have a hard stop at 630 because I have a work thing I have to get you by 645 and it seems we're going to go through all the comments again.

1004
01:36:21.720 --> 01:36:23.970
Helen Fallon: I just have one comment daffodil.

1005
01:36:25.770 --> 01:36:46.320
Helen Fallon: robert's rules specifically states that I consent calendar it's the voting members that can pull an item off of consent calendar, so it is rather unusual or this word to be having a rule that allows anybody just to pull it off of consent.

1006
01:36:46.770 --> 01:36:48.810
Helen Fallon: Now, I think that is something that you need to.

1007
01:36:48.810 --> 01:37:01.350
Helen Fallon: Look at and next in your bylaws and stead of Mickey Mouse thing with this because, again asking for a good reason is basically asking for the person to give their public comment you know.

1008
01:37:02.100 --> 01:37:16.830
Helen Fallon: Why do you want to pull it all, because I blah blah blah, it makes no sense it's just a bad it's a bad badly worded motion and just for it to having your exam does the boy issue robert's rules.

1009
01:37:19.500 --> 01:37:21.270
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks guys, I have to go.

1010
01:37:21.420 --> 01:37:22.500
james murez: By yeah.

1011
01:37:22.830 --> 01:37:23.820
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you very much.

1012
01:37:23.880 --> 01:37:26.430
Daffodil Tyminski: i'll talk to all of you, hopefully in some capacity soon.

1013
01:37:27.570 --> 01:37:28.050
james murez: Thank you.

1014
01:37:28.620 --> 01:37:35.130
Ivan: Right, so this is one of the places I mean I understand what Helens talking about but.

1015
01:37:36.240 --> 01:37:42.210
Ivan: robert's rules doesn't even know what the brown act is this because of the brown act.

1016
01:37:43.320 --> 01:37:48.000
Ivan: We have to allow the public a chance to have public comment.

1017
01:37:49.380 --> 01:37:54.480
Ivan: If we don't allow them to remove an item they can't have public comment on these things.

1018
01:37:56.250 --> 01:37:58.650
Ivan: All right, this is why you have to be careful.

1019
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.180
Helen Fallon: Okay, why are other boards allowed to do it either.

1020
01:38:03.510 --> 01:38:04.170
Ivan: they're not.

1021
01:38:05.760 --> 01:38:07.590
Helen Fallon: Yes, they are looking at the bylaws.

1022
01:38:08.610 --> 01:38:11.550
Ivan: they're not well done, the city attorney mix that.

1023
01:38:13.680 --> 01:38:22.800
Ivan: This was negotiated it took me years to do this with the city attorney back and forth, and finally, this is what we agreed to, and then the board approved it.

1024
01:38:23.160 --> 01:38:25.020
Nick Antonicello: Talking about an attorney.

1025
01:38:25.350 --> 01:38:26.160
Ivan: You weren't even.

1026
01:38:29.400 --> 01:38:30.300
Nick Antonicello: palminteri.

1027
01:38:30.510 --> 01:38:31.170
Oliver Fries: guys my.

1028
01:38:32.430 --> 01:38:33.000
Nick Antonicello: lawyer.

1029
01:38:34.380 --> 01:38:35.130
james murez: Calm down.

1030
01:38:35.250 --> 01:38:35.610
yeah.

1031
01:38:38.160 --> 01:38:38.580
Oliver Fries: Okay.

1032
01:38:40.470 --> 01:38:48.180
Oliver Fries: So now we're moving to we're done with committee discussion unless anyone else wants to raise their hand if there is something to say.

1033
01:38:51.090 --> 01:38:55.440
Oliver Fries: Okay, we are going to take a vote.

1034
01:38:56.670 --> 01:38:59.730
Oliver Fries: On the Amended motion which I will bring up to the screen.

1035
01:39:19.980 --> 01:39:21.000
Oliver Fries: freeze I vote yes.

1036
01:39:23.100 --> 01:39:26.640
Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky absent now cj Cole.

1037
01:39:27.000 --> 01:39:27.510
Yes.

1038
01:39:28.560 --> 01:39:29.700
Oliver Fries: Nick Antonio cello.

1039
01:39:30.000 --> 01:39:30.390
Oh.

1040
01:39:32.490 --> 01:39:33.600
Oliver Fries: Liz Elizabeth right.

1041
01:39:34.080 --> 01:39:34.560
Yes.

1042
01:39:35.880 --> 01:39:36.390
Oliver Fries: Ivan.

1043
01:39:36.510 --> 01:39:38.460
Oliver Fries: Spiegel chimeras.

1044
01:39:38.640 --> 01:39:39.180
Yes.

1045
01:39:40.320 --> 01:39:45.210
Oliver Fries: Okay, that is five yeses one no motion passes.

1046
01:39:46.860 --> 01:39:52.080
Ivan: Right now, the amendment now you have to go back and do the whole motion method.

1047
01:39:58.800 --> 01:40:01.890
Oliver Fries: Can you explain that to me I didn't we just pass the amendment.

1048
01:40:01.890 --> 01:40:03.840
james murez: No, no, you pass the amendment, you did.

1049
01:40:04.860 --> 01:40:05.520
james murez: Well motion.

1050
01:40:05.610 --> 01:40:05.970
Okay.

1051
01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:13.140
Oliver Fries: Okay, and that was already brought to the floor and second did so.

1052
01:40:13.590 --> 01:40:14.940
james murez: And we already had public comment.

1053
01:40:15.240 --> 01:40:16.620
Nick Antonicello: On the revised most.

1054
01:40:18.870 --> 01:40:23.010
Oliver Fries: Okay, we already had public comment to it so we're moving to is there any more.

1055
01:40:23.880 --> 01:40:26.160
james murez: Questions now you just take the boat.

1056
01:40:26.610 --> 01:40:28.110
Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

1057
01:40:28.170 --> 01:40:31.380
Ivan: know if you call the question we have to take a vote on it.

1058
01:40:31.890 --> 01:40:33.090
Nick Antonicello: Well, of course, we take you.

1059
01:40:34.410 --> 01:40:35.340
Ivan: Know Robert through.

1060
01:40:36.510 --> 01:40:37.380
Oliver Fries: Step come on guys.

1061
01:40:38.070 --> 01:40:40.350
Oliver Fries: whoa okay we're we're voting on the.

1062
01:40:41.850 --> 01:40:42.810
Oliver Fries: original motion.

1063
01:40:45.030 --> 01:40:46.170
Oliver Fries: Be Amended motion.

1064
01:40:46.230 --> 01:40:47.880
Ivan: already admitted motion motion.

1065
01:40:48.090 --> 01:40:54.300
Oliver Fries: Regarding on the Amended motion all of her freeze yes daffodils misguided cj Cole.

1066
01:40:54.720 --> 01:40:57.180
Oliver Fries: Yes, Nick Antonia cello.

1067
01:40:57.390 --> 01:40:57.780
Oh.

1068
01:40:59.310 --> 01:41:00.150
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

1069
01:41:00.540 --> 01:41:01.080
Elizabeth Wright: Yes.

1070
01:41:01.530 --> 01:41:02.370
Oliver Fries: I haven't Spiegel.

1071
01:41:02.820 --> 01:41:04.950
Oliver Fries: Yes, Jim ears.

1072
01:41:05.190 --> 01:41:05.640
Yes.

1073
01:41:06.990 --> 01:41:11.580
Oliver Fries: Okay five yeses one now emotion passes.

1074
01:41:15.060 --> 01:41:15.690
Ivan: to adjourn.

1075
01:41:16.020 --> 01:41:16.320
Yes.

1076
01:41:17.730 --> 01:41:19.140
Oliver Fries: move into a German.

1077
01:41:19.950 --> 01:41:20.790
Nick Antonicello: Point of order.

1078
01:41:22.920 --> 01:41:39.450
Nick Antonicello: to know when this word is going to back up my letter I sent to the city attorney now said it three times Jimmy already asked me to send it again i've got no response, where is Freddie he should have been on this meeting today and this is i'm going to bring this up.

1079
01:41:39.510 --> 01:41:41.760
Nick Antonicello: Every day, until this is resolved.

1080
01:41:42.060 --> 01:41:44.010
Elizabeth Wright: This is not a topic for standing.

1081
01:41:44.640 --> 01:41:50.130
Nick Antonicello: You think I have the floor if you think that this is going to be wiped under the road he's gonna.

1082
01:41:50.640 --> 01:42:02.190
Nick Antonicello: Talk to his friends downtown and try not to have this bizarre it's not going to happen, I will Sue this board i'm telling you right now I will Sue this boy, if you try to sweep this under the rug.

1083
01:42:03.360 --> 01:42:04.560
Elizabeth Wright: Not a standing rules.

1084
01:42:05.340 --> 01:42:06.840
Oliver Fries: For taking.

1085
01:42:08.160 --> 01:42:10.290
Elizabeth Wright: The floor away from him and let's a journey.

1086
01:42:12.330 --> 01:42:14.340
Oliver Fries: i'm taking the fly away, where a journey and it's.

1087
01:42:14.340 --> 01:42:15.780
637.

1088
01:42:17.190 --> 01:42:20.280
Oliver Fries: And i'll let you guys know on the on the next meetings thanks everyone.

1089
01:42:20.490 --> 01:42:21.330
james murez: yeah Thank you.

1090
01:42:23.520 --> 01:42:23.700
Ivan: Are.

1091
01:42:24.000 --> 01:42:25.770
james murez: Working on the standing roles and stuff.

1092
01:42:25.920 --> 01:42:33.090
Ivan: Yes, Oliver can you figure out a day in time every month that we can do this.

1093
01:42:34.290 --> 01:42:34.860
Oliver Fries: Yes.

1094
01:42:35.130 --> 01:42:36.690
Ivan: it's a regular.

1095
01:42:36.720 --> 01:42:38.610
Ivan: I mean you can change it, if you have to but.

1096
01:42:39.210 --> 01:42:39.540
Okay.

1097
01:42:41.040 --> 01:42:44.880
Ivan: Today I had something else that I had to change in order to do that stoke.

1098
01:42:47.340 --> 01:42:48.360
Ivan: On a glance when to.

1099
01:42:48.360 --> 01:42:49.440
Ivan: expect it okay.

1100
01:42:49.650 --> 01:42:50.130
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

1101
01:42:51.030 --> 01:42:52.980
Ivan: Thank you, and everyone good.

1102
01:42:54.180 --> 01:42:54.870
james murez: And the call.

1103
01:42:55.440 --> 01:42:56.910
It okay.