WEBVTT 1 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:35.100 james murez: hey guys. 2 00:01:39.090 --> 00:01:40.950 Jonathan Deer: You below, how are you. 3 00:01:42.870 --> 00:01:44.310 Jonathan Deer: it's very dark on your end. 4 00:01:45.270 --> 00:01:46.860 james murez: On my turn on my line. 5 00:02:10.980 --> 00:02:12.810 james murez: So this is being recorded, mind you. 6 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:13.800 yep. 7 00:02:14.970 --> 00:02:15.720 robertthibodeau: Did I miss. 8 00:02:16.560 --> 00:02:17.010 Nothing. 9 00:02:18.150 --> 00:02:18.780 james murez: cases. 10 00:02:20.970 --> 00:02:24.780 robertthibodeau: i'm hopefully hopefully we'll get a quorum and people. 11 00:02:26.580 --> 00:02:31.110 Jonathan Deer: So one thing we didn't do tonight is make sure everybody's. 12 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:33.360 Jonathan Deer: Showing. 13 00:02:33.870 --> 00:02:36.630 robertthibodeau: I did send out one but not until this afternoon yeah I. 14 00:02:36.630 --> 00:02:39.450 robertthibodeau: saw I also know said cool. 15 00:02:40.020 --> 00:02:44.880 Jonathan Deer: yeah so I mean they they got the agenda, though they're they're on the list for the agenda. 16 00:02:44.910 --> 00:02:46.110 james murez: Who else is on here. 17 00:02:47.730 --> 00:02:49.980 robertthibodeau: allison selena and Nick right. 18 00:02:50.160 --> 00:02:52.860 james murez: selena is usually pretty good, let me text Nick real quick. 19 00:02:53.550 --> 00:02:53.910 yeah. 20 00:02:57.270 --> 00:03:01.350 robertthibodeau: And I know allison was away last month, but I would imagine probably back. 21 00:03:01.500 --> 00:03:03.540 james murez: yeah she's back I started the market on Friday. 22 00:03:04.950 --> 00:03:05.850 james murez: And clutches open. 23 00:03:07.920 --> 00:03:09.000 Jonathan Deer: It is open. 24 00:03:10.710 --> 00:03:12.450 james murez: Data fired so they were shut. 25 00:03:12.450 --> 00:03:12.990 james murez: Down oh. 26 00:03:13.260 --> 00:03:14.310 Jonathan Deer: We can handle that. 27 00:03:14.490 --> 00:03:14.850 yeah. 28 00:03:16.410 --> 00:03:19.500 james murez: I can't I can't stop it, I don't know what to do. 29 00:03:26.670 --> 00:03:28.800 james murez: I guess what's Apps back online huh. 30 00:03:29.910 --> 00:03:30.720 robertthibodeau: Where they data. 31 00:03:31.050 --> 00:03:31.740 james murez: yeah yeah. 32 00:03:32.100 --> 00:03:34.530 Jonathan Deer: Facebook everything wasted. 33 00:03:34.650 --> 00:03:36.090 Jonathan Deer: instagram and whatsapp. 34 00:03:36.330 --> 00:03:39.330 james murez: And they haven't figured out why yet least I haven't seen why. 35 00:03:39.990 --> 00:03:42.600 Jonathan Deer: yeah I was working to I didn't see any explanation. 36 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:45.090 robertthibodeau: Oh yeah I noticed my instagram would reload today. 37 00:03:45.630 --> 00:03:46.500 james murez: yeah why. 38 00:03:47.070 --> 00:03:49.650 james murez: was down worldwide, which is so bizarre. 39 00:03:50.040 --> 00:03:50.790 robertthibodeau: That is bizarre. 40 00:03:57.570 --> 00:04:01.770 james murez: They have so many servers all over the world, port to go down worldwide is pretty big deal. 41 00:04:02.010 --> 00:04:02.460 yeah. 42 00:04:11.070 --> 00:04:13.800 Jonathan Deer: yeah I saw some people speculating that it was. 43 00:04:15.480 --> 00:04:20.100 Jonathan Deer: some kind of DNS issue, but then other people said they couldn't get there with, even with the IP so. 44 00:04:20.850 --> 00:04:21.840 james murez: they're like now. 45 00:04:35.850 --> 00:04:37.080 james murez: who's the other one allison. 46 00:04:38.040 --> 00:04:41.070 robertthibodeau: And selena she's our. 47 00:04:43.860 --> 00:04:45.330 robertthibodeau: yeah you just gotta chill up. 48 00:04:46.800 --> 00:04:49.650 robertthibodeau: Talk to lily and be nice to Italy and have some conversation with her. 49 00:04:58.320 --> 00:05:03.000 robertthibodeau: hey you got an hour oh yeah now, or if you feel like it if you don't that's cool too. 50 00:05:12.300 --> 00:05:15.420 robertthibodeau: i'm gonna take that because i've never heard you say that before. 51 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:20.220 robertthibodeau: Where is Lilian where is it hold on, let me mute myself. 52 00:05:21.300 --> 00:05:26.430 james murez: So there's allison kind of each time I get ready to text when these people they show up. 53 00:05:27.060 --> 00:05:27.630 Jonathan Deer: There you go. 54 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:30.120 james murez: So now it's just selena. 55 00:05:32.520 --> 00:05:33.210 james murez: You have enough the. 56 00:05:33.300 --> 00:05:37.890 Jonathan Deer: requirements that you have a quorum now so if it's seven we can move on. 57 00:05:41.310 --> 00:05:44.130 Jonathan Deer: Hello everybody hey Nick hey allison. 58 00:05:44.700 --> 00:05:45.390 robertthibodeau: hey guys. 59 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:06.210 james murez: You guys can call it order whenever you're ready Chapter seven. 60 00:06:06.720 --> 00:06:07.980 robertthibodeau: Okay, but I knew. 61 00:06:08.040 --> 00:06:09.600 james murez: That unfold his arms first. 62 00:06:11.730 --> 00:06:17.520 robertthibodeau: Was gosh sorry I haven't been feeling great so i'm like i'm a step behind you to. 63 00:06:18.120 --> 00:06:19.080 james murez: Other selena. 64 00:06:20.100 --> 00:06:21.420 robertthibodeau: join you want to run this thing. 65 00:06:21.870 --> 00:06:23.100 Sure okay. 66 00:06:24.600 --> 00:06:27.090 Jonathan Deer: Okay let's let's call it order. 67 00:06:27.450 --> 00:06:30.210 robertthibodeau: who's going to sign who's going to screen share. 68 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:34.800 robertthibodeau: You want to call the meeting to order and all screen share and brings. 69 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:41.160 Jonathan Deer: yeah why you screen share that's good okay meeting call to order at 703. 70 00:06:43.860 --> 00:06:46.590 Jonathan Deer: i'm just making notes here while we do this. 71 00:06:53.310 --> 00:06:56.160 Jonathan Deer: Hello everybody welcome welcome welcome. 72 00:06:58.350 --> 00:07:02.580 Jonathan Deer: let's see any let's start with the review comment and adopt minutes. 73 00:07:03.990 --> 00:07:05.850 Jonathan Deer: Any any comments on the Minutes. 74 00:07:08.250 --> 00:07:09.090 Jonathan Deer: adopted. 75 00:07:10.110 --> 00:07:11.190 Jonathan Deer: motion to adopt. 76 00:07:11.970 --> 00:07:12.480 Google. 77 00:07:14.250 --> 00:07:14.850 Jonathan Deer: Second. 78 00:07:16.620 --> 00:07:19.020 Jonathan Deer: allison did you say again okay all. 79 00:07:20.280 --> 00:07:21.420 Jonathan Deer: I buy I. 80 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.900 Jonathan Deer: can see selena so I don't know if she did. 81 00:07:27.450 --> 00:07:27.990 robertthibodeau: Yes. 82 00:07:29.640 --> 00:07:30.120 Selena Inouye: Yes. 83 00:07:30.780 --> 00:07:31.380 Jonathan Deer: Okay, great. 84 00:07:31.440 --> 00:07:33.360 james murez: hi me interrupt for one second. 85 00:07:33.510 --> 00:07:35.460 james murez: Yes, just so you're aware of it. 86 00:07:35.850 --> 00:07:41.010 james murez: Today, today, the governor signed an official new. 87 00:07:42.810 --> 00:07:45.210 james murez: What do you call it revision to the brown act. 88 00:07:46.260 --> 00:07:56.910 james murez: web meetings like zoom are now officially okay for the next two years, but all voting must be done in a roll call manner. 89 00:07:57.840 --> 00:08:00.900 Jonathan Deer: Oh OK so i'll call the role. 90 00:08:01.920 --> 00:08:03.000 james murez: Well, no you're close enough. 91 00:08:04.350 --> 00:08:19.830 Jonathan Deer: Okay, great tried so moving forward Okay, so now, a public comment, these are non agenda items any items that are not on our agenda does anyone have any comments and robber. 92 00:08:22.710 --> 00:08:40.800 Jonathan Deer: If anybody in the public wants to make a comment that is not on the agenda, raise your hand there's a little hand at the bottom of your zoom window raise your hand or, I believe, if you're just on the phone, it is star six that will raise your hand for you any hands raised Robert. 93 00:08:41.640 --> 00:08:47.460 Jonathan Deer: No seeing no hands, we will move from public comment to old business. 94 00:08:48.930 --> 00:08:59.310 Jonathan Deer: And the first old business item was the speed bumps on the 800 block of indiana I know Robert reached out to those folks and it did not sound like they yet had. 95 00:09:00.480 --> 00:09:15.030 Jonathan Deer: Anything that they needed they were trying to get the signatures on the block, so that we could look at them and discuss it with them and then possibly make a motion supporting it, they are not back tonight unless i'm wrong anybody know otherwise. 96 00:09:15.900 --> 00:09:19.380 james murez: there's only one person in the audience Michael burbank. 97 00:09:19.560 --> 00:09:22.320 Jonathan Deer: Oh good he's here to present to us so that's great okay. 98 00:09:23.610 --> 00:09:34.860 Jonathan Deer: And well and let's so let's skip to that so so item five will just continue over, and then we will skip right to michael's item which is a new business item, but we will move it up in the agenda. 99 00:09:35.790 --> 00:09:52.350 Jonathan Deer: And that is apollon item nine we are calling item nine and Michael, if you will, if you want to speak and present and talk to us are actually first i'll just give a quick introduction so. 100 00:09:53.430 --> 00:10:01.020 Jonathan Deer: michaels group is going to be doing a triathlon part of which goes through Venice and we asked him to come and present to us. 101 00:10:01.500 --> 00:10:15.810 Jonathan Deer: We wanted to hear all about what's happening and then also talk to him about some issues specific to Venice, with all the organizations that come through here so we'll talk to him about that, after we hear what he has to say so. 102 00:10:16.830 --> 00:10:21.030 Jonathan Deer: Can someone give my call the floor and Michael you can you can give us your presentation. 103 00:10:24.660 --> 00:10:26.250 james murez: Michael do you have to share screen. 104 00:10:28.290 --> 00:10:29.400 Michael A. Burbank: No, I do not. 105 00:10:29.640 --> 00:10:32.910 Michael A. Burbank: Okay, so everyone can hear me is that. 106 00:10:33.750 --> 00:10:37.620 robertthibodeau: Right Jim Am I sharing my screen or no, I have the agenda open. 107 00:10:37.620 --> 00:10:46.650 james murez: Here so for you to share your screen you go down to the bottom of your screen and there's a green tab in the Center you move your cursor down to the bottom of the zoom window. 108 00:10:48.180 --> 00:10:54.390 james murez: And then, and then it click on where it says share screen oh wait did I wait wait wait wait, you may not be able to hold on. 109 00:10:55.620 --> 00:10:57.300 james murez: That may be my bad hang on Robert. 110 00:10:58.200 --> 00:10:59.880 robertthibodeau: It also might have been my privacy so. 111 00:10:59.880 --> 00:11:00.840 james murez: No, it was me. 112 00:11:02.490 --> 00:11:06.210 james murez: it's a stupid setting that I have to do after I start the meeting try again now. 113 00:11:08.910 --> 00:11:10.530 james murez: You have a green button down at the bottom. 114 00:11:11.610 --> 00:11:12.990 james murez: And it should say share screen. 115 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:16.170 robertthibodeau: gotcha. 116 00:11:17.070 --> 00:11:18.810 james murez: And then you click on the screen, you want to share. 117 00:11:19.230 --> 00:11:21.090 robertthibodeau: Just share. 118 00:11:21.450 --> 00:11:22.620 james murez: There you go you got it. 119 00:11:23.010 --> 00:11:23.460 robertthibodeau: Okay. 120 00:11:23.760 --> 00:11:26.250 james murez: And just zoom on that a little bit so widens it out. 121 00:11:27.510 --> 00:11:28.770 robertthibodeau: zoom on it a little bit. 122 00:11:28.800 --> 00:11:29.700 james murez: More plus sign. 123 00:11:31.770 --> 00:11:33.330 james murez: down towards the bottom of the page. 124 00:11:34.020 --> 00:11:34.890 robertthibodeau: Right yeah. 125 00:11:35.520 --> 00:11:37.740 robertthibodeau: yeah hold on guys. 126 00:11:37.830 --> 00:11:39.210 james murez: move your cursor down there. 127 00:11:40.140 --> 00:11:41.310 james murez: Oh, there you go. 128 00:11:42.330 --> 00:11:43.020 james murez: One more time. 129 00:11:44.760 --> 00:11:46.140 james murez: One more time what. 130 00:11:46.500 --> 00:11:48.030 james murez: is right there that's beautiful. 131 00:11:48.600 --> 00:11:53.700 Jonathan Deer: And then scrolling down to Item nine, which is where we are and then we'll let Michael talk to us. 132 00:11:54.570 --> 00:11:56.820 robertthibodeau: Okay sorry about that Michael sorry about the interruption. 133 00:11:57.060 --> 00:11:58.170 Michael A. Burbank: Oh good again. 134 00:11:59.940 --> 00:12:01.110 Michael A. Burbank: Shall I begin now. 135 00:12:01.470 --> 00:12:04.350 Jonathan Deer: yeah go ahead and tell us all about what's happening through events. 136 00:12:04.620 --> 00:12:07.080 robertthibodeau: and specifically just. 137 00:12:07.170 --> 00:12:16.830 robertthibodeau: I mean love your event I think we're all familiar with it, but the estimated times for the traffic closures and where they're going to be and the parking parking restrictions, really. 138 00:12:17.700 --> 00:12:38.970 Michael A. Burbank: Okay, so, so the event that's coming up that i'm that i'm involved with is the herbalife 24 la travel so it's a three part endurance race event, the first part of which begins with a swim mile swim off Venice beach, so our athletes in the water. 139 00:12:40.230 --> 00:12:51.180 Michael A. Burbank: For the first leg leg of the race as swimming and then the second part of the of the trap on is a 25 mile bicycle race that. 140 00:12:51.750 --> 00:13:01.680 Michael A. Burbank: begins, where Venice boulevard meets Venice beach and the our athletes will be getting on their their bicycles and then heading east. 141 00:13:02.370 --> 00:13:17.070 Michael A. Burbank: On the East word on on Venice boulevard and our estimated time for this is will begin with soft street closures around five. 142 00:13:17.940 --> 00:13:33.930 Michael A. Burbank: So it starts securing the route for our in preparation for the bicyclists to be on the course by 6am we're estimating that will have hard street closure so we'll we'll have the race route secured from vehicular traffic. 143 00:13:34.170 --> 00:13:47.460 Michael A. Burbank: And there was 6am 6am yeah and and I guess, I mentioned that the day is is Sunday October 24 2012 about three weeks away now. 144 00:13:47.760 --> 00:13:50.190 robertthibodeau: And you're going to close down Venice boulevard usually right. 145 00:13:50.670 --> 00:13:51.660 robertthibodeau: yeah was it Washington. 146 00:13:52.320 --> 00:13:55.500 Michael A. Burbank: Venice boulevard eastbound Venice Venice boulevard. 147 00:13:55.920 --> 00:14:06.690 Michael A. Burbank: eastbound mm hmm okay and and then so by our estimate is that by 630 we'll have our first athletes by a bicyclist on the route. 148 00:14:07.770 --> 00:14:14.700 Michael A. Burbank: And by 930 and we'll have the route we. 149 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:23.730 Michael A. Burbank: Do the athletes will secure the the courts are clearing the course and traffic control, the return to normal. 150 00:14:24.300 --> 00:14:25.380 robertthibodeau: By 30 ish. 151 00:14:25.770 --> 00:14:27.030 Michael A. Burbank: By 930 years yep. 152 00:14:27.180 --> 00:14:30.150 robertthibodeau: Exactly then with a beach parking lot be closed. 153 00:14:31.500 --> 00:14:32.040 Michael A. Burbank: The beach. 154 00:14:32.070 --> 00:14:36.750 robertthibodeau: park is stage down there that one parking lot at the end of Venice to close out one down to. 155 00:14:39.420 --> 00:14:43.860 Michael A. Burbank: Help help familiarize me with the with the entrance to that to that. 156 00:14:44.160 --> 00:14:47.760 robertthibodeau: Right you just drive right down westbound on Venice boulevard and that's. 157 00:14:47.820 --> 00:14:50.190 robertthibodeau: Just probably where your staging is My guess. 158 00:14:50.400 --> 00:14:57.450 Michael A. Burbank: Okay yep I actually let me ask you that I was supposed to be joined by Brendan Brendan Brendan are you on the line. 159 00:14:58.530 --> 00:14:58.980 james murez: Hello. 160 00:15:00.540 --> 00:15:03.810 james murez: yeah somebody running to promote a. 161 00:15:03.930 --> 00:15:05.550 robertthibodeau: button again. 162 00:15:05.760 --> 00:15:16.740 robertthibodeau: And then, as long as you're promoting him to do my next one is is parking on East van is going to be you're going to have cones and stuff and stop the park nice Venice, or you guys just run by the cars. 163 00:15:17.760 --> 00:15:26.550 Brennan Lindner: I wish we could do that hey guys Brendan lender here race director for this, but to answer the first question yeah our staging is in that main Venice parking lot where North Venice go straight. 164 00:15:26.550 --> 00:15:27.060 robertthibodeau: In yeah. 165 00:15:27.150 --> 00:15:27.930 Brennan Lindner: that's that we are. 166 00:15:28.020 --> 00:15:33.180 Brennan Lindner: yeah that'll be our transition area, as well as staffing with emergency team over there. 167 00:15:33.390 --> 00:15:44.580 Brennan Lindner: Right, so we do we do a load in on Saturday, and then we load out on Sunday morning, so we we slowly expand and then we head out on East Venice boulevard the race actually starts at 7am. 168 00:15:45.090 --> 00:16:00.420 Brennan Lindner: And we do have a bike tour that starts over at Venice high school at 630 on that, and so the way we do the traffic control is they close down eastbound Venice, but we leave the north, south so Pacific avid Kenny and Lincoln cream can remain open, as long as possible. 169 00:16:00.450 --> 00:16:01.710 Brennan Lindner: Up until the race starts. 170 00:16:01.890 --> 00:16:02.790 Brennan Lindner: Right so. 171 00:16:02.850 --> 00:16:05.850 Brennan Lindner: last person goes in the water, I think, by 820. 172 00:16:05.910 --> 00:16:18.510 Brennan Lindner: And then we started opening Pacific, I think, by nine o'clock and then we do place no parks all on the east side and never doing door hangers as well, so there's no vehicles at all out on the course there on eastbound Venice. 173 00:16:20.190 --> 00:16:20.640 robertthibodeau: Okay. 174 00:16:22.530 --> 00:16:23.910 robertthibodeau: And Lincoln is. 175 00:16:25.560 --> 00:16:31.260 robertthibodeau: is, if I remember right from past triathlons the intersection at Lincoln and. 176 00:16:32.520 --> 00:16:37.590 robertthibodeau: And Venice is only open sporadically the COPs let a few cars two at a time right. 177 00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:41.850 Brennan Lindner: They used to do that, and I wish they could, but there was actually an accident. 178 00:16:41.880 --> 00:16:56.130 Brennan Lindner: way back when so they stopped doing the metering with this in the marathon so from about 645 845 let's say nine o'clock Lincoln is closed, so we have the cms boards out there, directing people over to the. 179 00:16:56.130 --> 00:17:01.620 robertthibodeau: 405 645 to nine yeah gotcha okay. 180 00:17:03.780 --> 00:17:06.630 robertthibodeau: um anything else you guys can think of. 181 00:17:07.320 --> 00:17:15.030 Jonathan Deer: yeah yeah so So let me ask you do you do, do you check the roads or anything like that so some of the events that have come through they'll. 182 00:17:15.630 --> 00:17:28.200 Jonathan Deer: they'll check Venice boulevard and they'll, for example, they'll fill in potholes or things like that to make sure that there are no, you know there's nothing dangerous for the bicyclist and. 183 00:17:29.550 --> 00:17:37.560 Jonathan Deer: and actually had had other events i've even done i've done other things just to just to try to improve the street, a little bit. 184 00:17:37.680 --> 00:17:40.500 Jonathan Deer: Is there anything that you guys look at in that regard. 185 00:17:41.700 --> 00:17:52.140 Brennan Lindner: Well there's my wishes and then there's the reality of it because I totally agree with you is that it would be beneficial if we could get that status quo some errors in downtown repaved. 186 00:17:52.770 --> 00:18:04.170 Brennan Lindner: But unfortunately we're always given it's all within a two year turnaround because that section promotion front walk to Lincoln need serious help so, unfortunately, no there's nothing we can do, I hate to say it legally. 187 00:18:04.590 --> 00:18:09.270 Brennan Lindner: You know, within the cold patching you know kind of world on there, we are trying to encourage. 188 00:18:10.590 --> 00:18:24.720 Brennan Lindner: with as much force, as we can for the city to take advantage of the cleared streets to do street sweeping because you know all along Venice, you know lebron Olympic can use a thorough I take curb sweep on it, but I don't know if that's gonna happen or not. 189 00:18:26.370 --> 00:18:26.610 But. 190 00:18:27.750 --> 00:18:31.890 Jonathan Deer: Jim since we have your brain power here what when. 191 00:18:34.170 --> 00:18:39.090 Jonathan Deer: The bicycle groups come through what what are they they they do a number of things you. 192 00:18:39.090 --> 00:18:41.490 james murez: Know try your day prior years they've. 193 00:18:41.490 --> 00:18:44.340 james murez: done tree trimming and they have done. 194 00:18:45.600 --> 00:18:47.910 james murez: Some some street maintenance stuff. 195 00:18:50.040 --> 00:18:55.860 james murez: it's sort of up to the group and how well they're funded and and you know what the conditions of the street art. 196 00:18:57.240 --> 00:19:14.040 james murez: I don't believe at this point the trees on the east better direction actually need trimming I think that that was done about three or four years ago and it takes several years because they're raising the bottom of the canopy up it doesn't have to be done very often right. 197 00:19:14.220 --> 00:19:27.510 Brennan Lindner: But, but to answer that question, you know, Jim let me know because what we did two years ago, as we paid I think about 20,000 over in mar vista to get immediate improved, of which the Council district then neglected and it went into disrepair. 198 00:19:28.110 --> 00:19:29.070 Brennan Lindner: So, knowing. 199 00:19:29.280 --> 00:19:33.540 Brennan Lindner: Knowing how much I know I can actually trust you on some upkeep if there's a specific. 200 00:19:33.540 --> 00:19:34.170 robertthibodeau: area that. 201 00:19:34.650 --> 00:19:39.870 Brennan Lindner: We as an event can really help improve and then you can help maintain i'm all for it. 202 00:19:40.410 --> 00:19:44.130 james murez: Well, we have an arbor committee on the dnc. 203 00:19:44.550 --> 00:19:44.970 Brennan Lindner: And yeah. 204 00:19:45.030 --> 00:19:45.960 Brennan Lindner: You want it is about. 205 00:19:46.260 --> 00:19:58.170 james murez: If you wanted to make the gesture of pay, paying for the replacement of trees, I think the arbor committee could probably plan, an event around replacing the dead trees. 206 00:19:58.980 --> 00:20:02.040 Brennan Lindner: Perfect now it is about whatever deviate right yeah. 207 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.580 james murez: Exactly and I don't think there are more than 10. 208 00:20:05.580 --> 00:20:06.240 Brennan Lindner: Maybe 20. 209 00:20:06.330 --> 00:20:10.440 james murez: minutes at the most, and the biggest tree, you can put in, would be a 15 gallon. 210 00:20:10.830 --> 00:20:13.260 Brennan Lindner: Because more than happy to contribute i'm on it. 211 00:20:13.980 --> 00:20:14.280 yeah. 212 00:20:17.520 --> 00:20:17.820 james murez: I. 213 00:20:18.600 --> 00:20:32.340 james murez: I think I think other than the traffic light at the corner of abbott Kenny and Venice boulevard was just that the actual fixture was just upgraded they're putting in a left turn arrow there. 214 00:20:33.090 --> 00:20:48.120 james murez: and all I can say is is the timing of that intersection is really, really screwed up it's three cars going southbound during rush hour that's all that's getting through the intersection so traffic right now it's backed up from Venice boulevard, although in the mainstream. 215 00:20:49.770 --> 00:20:53.490 james murez: that's a perhaps a conversation for a different topic, but. 216 00:20:54.210 --> 00:20:56.220 robertthibodeau: yeah I mean it is what it is. 217 00:20:56.250 --> 00:20:59.040 james murez: yeah hopefully hopefully you don't have any of those kinds of problems. 218 00:21:00.300 --> 00:21:08.400 Brennan Lindner: As I mean this year will be, I think I hate to say it more of a challenge because normally we started an hour earlier but with because normally we're in the spring. 219 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:15.240 Brennan Lindner: So, next year will be back at 6am in May, which which I like better, so I think there will be some congestion, but nothing awful. 220 00:21:16.260 --> 00:21:19.350 james murez: yeah you know it's fine it start it starts at five o'clock in the morning. 221 00:21:20.100 --> 00:21:20.460 Brennan Lindner: yeah. 222 00:21:20.490 --> 00:21:21.930 robertthibodeau: Six it's dark and six. 223 00:21:22.320 --> 00:21:28.320 james murez: Right well Michael, you said you were starting a soft start at 5am and it's going to be pitch black. 224 00:21:28.980 --> 00:21:38.640 Brennan Lindner: started, he said, stop start just on the closures So what do T does is they do, east and west on the closures, leaving the north and south cross streets open. 225 00:21:38.970 --> 00:21:43.830 Brennan Lindner: Okay, up until the race starts, and so are our racers start in the water at 7am. 226 00:21:44.280 --> 00:21:45.000 OK. 227 00:21:47.760 --> 00:21:51.390 james murez: And just had a curiosity, do you have an emergency plan for the oils don't. 228 00:21:53.190 --> 00:22:01.410 Brennan Lindner: Actually it's we did actually speak to La county on this today, they don't foresee it coming up here I mean there's no guarantees, but we did actually asked that. 229 00:22:01.710 --> 00:22:03.330 robertthibodeau: Right it's a big deal. 230 00:22:03.750 --> 00:22:07.980 Brennan Lindner: it's really unfortunate we do an event and crystal cove state park and I just hope. 231 00:22:08.460 --> 00:22:08.760 Brennan Lindner: For it. 232 00:22:09.120 --> 00:22:09.570 yeah. 233 00:22:10.740 --> 00:22:20.700 robertthibodeau: Well, good luck you guys, I mean we're all for it and I just wanted to get you on so we could get the basics, so we can publish closures in the no parking on our website and. 234 00:22:21.720 --> 00:22:22.680 robertthibodeau: Let people know you know. 235 00:22:22.890 --> 00:22:24.570 james murez: bread right just. 236 00:22:25.170 --> 00:22:38.550 james murez: renting out of curiosity, have you reached out to La do T, to see if you could use the parking lots that are in the median for the people that live in the neighborhood like by giving them when you put a flyer on their thing saying you know here's a voucher or use a parking lot. 237 00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:50.970 Brennan Lindner: You know, with modern parking no, but let me know if if you guys really you know, some people express you know any upsets since I live down the street just let me know and i'll work with modern parking and led it to get them into that Center lot. 238 00:22:52.290 --> 00:22:52.650 james murez: What is. 239 00:22:53.340 --> 00:22:55.260 james murez: That something you would put on your flyer. 240 00:22:56.790 --> 00:22:59.820 Brennan Lindner: Not publicly because I don't want 10,000 people doing it, but again. 241 00:23:00.150 --> 00:23:06.240 Brennan Lindner: There are individuals that do have special conditions, you know i'm more than happy to accommodate. 242 00:23:06.330 --> 00:23:06.750 Okay. 243 00:23:08.730 --> 00:23:12.720 james murez: yeah I don't know exactly how we would hear about that, but Okay, what are you going to do your flyers. 244 00:23:13.800 --> 00:23:18.510 Brennan Lindner: flyers typically go out about 10 days before that's what we'll do the door hangers so i'm going to get them printed here tomorrow. 245 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:22.680 james murez: And do you have some sort of a contact. 246 00:23:23.940 --> 00:23:24.810 james murez: On there. 247 00:23:26.010 --> 00:23:30.540 Brennan Lindner: It actually goes to our office line but yes, there is, there is a phone number, as well as an email. 248 00:23:31.560 --> 00:23:38.970 Brennan Lindner: And then you can also, I think, with people direct them over to the website and there is a detour page that shows the road closures and the time. 249 00:23:40.530 --> 00:23:40.920 james murez: Okay. 250 00:23:45.660 --> 00:23:45.960 robertthibodeau: Okay. 251 00:23:46.020 --> 00:23:48.090 james murez: All right, can you guys think of anything else. 252 00:23:48.660 --> 00:23:49.800 robertthibodeau: that's already. 253 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:57.420 robertthibodeau: covered anything I was asking yeah thanks guys thanks for coming in late in explaining. 254 00:23:58.590 --> 00:24:00.750 Brennan Lindner: and good luck, thank you guys are doing what. 255 00:24:00.810 --> 00:24:01.140 Brennan Lindner: To do. 256 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:02.580 Brennan Lindner: cool. 257 00:24:03.150 --> 00:24:03.630 Jonathan Deer: Thank you. 258 00:24:05.730 --> 00:24:06.180 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 259 00:24:06.750 --> 00:24:07.770 robertthibodeau: john we are. 260 00:24:08.340 --> 00:24:12.210 james murez: guys, will you guys make sure that you forward the notes on that. 261 00:24:12.240 --> 00:24:13.320 james murez: To the board so. 262 00:24:14.190 --> 00:24:14.700 robertthibodeau: Yes. 263 00:24:15.060 --> 00:24:21.450 james murez: I took quick notes so see my semen semen needs to get this out on the newsletter as early as possible. 264 00:24:22.140 --> 00:24:26.580 robertthibodeau: I will i'll compare notes with john. 265 00:24:26.670 --> 00:24:28.140 robertthibodeau: And I have. 266 00:24:28.170 --> 00:24:36.330 robertthibodeau: My October 24 starting at 6am fantasies bound to be closed till about nine 930. 267 00:24:37.260 --> 00:24:40.110 robertthibodeau: The parking lot at the beach will be pretty limited and. 268 00:24:41.370 --> 00:24:48.030 robertthibodeau: Then Lincoln Lincoln in Main Street of book be closed from about 645 to nine so that's what that's what I had. 269 00:24:48.990 --> 00:24:50.040 Jonathan Deer: So okay. 270 00:24:50.220 --> 00:24:52.380 james murez: If you were to go back to the video. 271 00:24:53.850 --> 00:25:04.590 james murez: or to the transcript of the video this conversation started at about 705 minutes 720 now so that 15 minutes is where everything was discussed. 272 00:25:05.670 --> 00:25:06.450 Jonathan Deer: yeah we can. 273 00:25:07.560 --> 00:25:09.420 Jonathan Deer: And we can just email. 274 00:25:10.530 --> 00:25:19.680 Jonathan Deer: Michael or Brendan and have them send it back to us, so we get an accurate and I say i'm brandon has his hand up again I don't know if he's trying to tell us something. 275 00:25:20.670 --> 00:25:22.380 Brennan Lindner: That leftover apologies. 276 00:25:22.410 --> 00:25:30.330 Jonathan Deer: Okay, great no problem okay Okay, since you guys are still here, could you just email us so street closures, you can email them to the committee. 277 00:25:30.600 --> 00:25:38.010 Brennan Lindner: I think we're yeah i'll send you a grid and i'll send it back because it'll be beneficial if you guys include the map and enough so everyone gets pictures i'll do that right now. 278 00:25:38.730 --> 00:25:39.270 Jonathan Deer: Thanks. 279 00:25:40.110 --> 00:25:42.360 Jonathan Deer: Okay, and Jim will forward that to you. 280 00:25:43.560 --> 00:25:48.000 james murez: Okay, and I will I will deal with it, by making sure it gets on the boards agenda. 281 00:25:49.470 --> 00:25:57.060 Jonathan Deer: Okay perfect alright, so now let's let's go to the next item, so we're back on old business. 282 00:25:57.900 --> 00:26:03.960 Jonathan Deer: We are on item six electrical field cool charging stations, we invited them to come back. 283 00:26:04.470 --> 00:26:19.410 Jonathan Deer: They were not ready to come back yet, or at least so they could not come back so this motion, I think we should also just continue, they were asking for some kind of motion of support and we'll we'll wait till we hear from them going Jim are you raising your hand yeah. 284 00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:22.800 james murez: yeah i'm raising my hand I just had a quick question for selena while you're here. 285 00:26:23.850 --> 00:26:26.340 james murez: Because she's also on the vista neighborhood Council. 286 00:26:28.020 --> 00:26:33.690 james murez: celine are you are you aware of the race and I guess now you'll share it with them, or have they made us do you guys. 287 00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:51.540 Selena Inouye: actually just parking and transportation, the transportation infrastructure Committee meets on Wednesday and I haven't had a chance to look at their agenda yet so i'm not sure if it's on they're not good, but i'll share the information with them. 288 00:26:51.750 --> 00:26:52.380 james murez: Okay, great. 289 00:26:55.380 --> 00:26:56.010 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 290 00:26:56.580 --> 00:26:59.730 robertthibodeau: Great I mean if good I mean yeah. 291 00:27:02.070 --> 00:27:09.390 robertthibodeau: I just because I don't think we're going to make a motion that's specific to that company I don't think that would be appropriate or legal or whatever. 292 00:27:09.900 --> 00:27:20.640 robertthibodeau: I mean we could, at some point in time, just make a motion to support the concept of additional elect electric vehicle chargers I don't know how helpful, that is, or whatever, but. 293 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:22.440 Jonathan Deer: I you know, I was thinking. 294 00:27:24.150 --> 00:27:34.380 Jonathan Deer: yeah so I roughed out emotion and I wanted to go further than you know if you want to discuss it tonight, but I don't know that we need action on it immediately, but I wanted to go a little further than just. 295 00:27:35.370 --> 00:27:42.990 Jonathan Deer: Supporting electrical electric vehicle chargers so you know what's happening is that that technology is changing pretty rapidly. 296 00:27:43.620 --> 00:27:44.340 robertthibodeau: Always yeah. 297 00:27:44.460 --> 00:27:50.580 Jonathan Deer: And I don't want us to find ourselves in the same circumstances, for example as as when they put the bicycles and. 298 00:27:52.260 --> 00:27:58.800 Jonathan Deer: You know the city put their version of the bikes and to have that technology deprecate it about 20 seconds later. 299 00:27:59.130 --> 00:27:59.520 Right. 300 00:28:00.540 --> 00:28:02.940 Jonathan Deer: So you know, then the motion I roughed out. 301 00:28:04.650 --> 00:28:13.680 Jonathan Deer: Is talks about wanting to include a level three charging, which is the new kind of charging coming in and and other current technologies. 302 00:28:15.840 --> 00:28:28.470 Jonathan Deer: Through means that encourage charging providers to maintain current evolving standards for state of the art charging throughout the Community, so you know, we want to you know, anyone who wants to come in here should be prepared to. 303 00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:30.480 Jonathan Deer: To move with. 304 00:28:32.040 --> 00:28:35.640 Jonathan Deer: him for structure that's changing rapidly go ahead, Jim. 305 00:28:35.730 --> 00:28:37.800 james murez: Can you scroll the screen a little bit Jim. 306 00:28:37.830 --> 00:28:39.660 robertthibodeau: Read that's me that's me sorry. 307 00:28:39.930 --> 00:28:40.590 james murez: Oh sorry. 308 00:28:41.340 --> 00:28:43.740 james murez: More well just so we can see the whole. 309 00:28:44.130 --> 00:28:45.570 Jonathan Deer: Second half's on the next page. 310 00:28:46.290 --> 00:28:48.090 robertthibodeau: It goes on to the next, oh there you go. 311 00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:49.590 james murez: There we go too far. 312 00:28:50.010 --> 00:28:51.090 james murez: or too far too far. 313 00:28:52.590 --> 00:28:53.760 james murez: There you go right there oh good. 314 00:28:56.730 --> 00:29:07.110 james murez: And I guess my only question about this is, is there a way that the motion could also include something about the electricity that's being provided will only be provided through clean energy. 315 00:29:07.560 --> 00:29:08.010 well. 316 00:29:10.380 --> 00:29:13.500 Jonathan Deer: I like a clean energy component I. 317 00:29:14.670 --> 00:29:23.250 Jonathan Deer: I I personally would hate to say, can only be provided that way, because I think chargers are better than no chargers even if there's no clean energy option but. 318 00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:39.270 james murez: But you know how that works when when there's no, for instance there's no clean energy option basically they're buying from electric providers that are producing clean energy, so they would be buying from the wind turbines or from the solar farms, they would. 319 00:29:39.270 --> 00:29:41.610 Jonathan Deer: not say you're saying they can get it done no matter what. 320 00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:55.560 james murez: Well yeah because the grid is the grid, the question is, who are they paying for the electricity so are they paying the coal plants, or are they paying you know the hydro plant or are they paying the wind plant, are they paying the solar plant. 321 00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:56.700 Jonathan Deer: Right, I tried. 322 00:29:57.270 --> 00:30:07.860 Jonathan Deer: Given that you know I like I like including that the question is, do we, is it premature for us to do any motion right now I mean they they didn't finish their presentation we know the city's. 323 00:30:09.180 --> 00:30:15.480 Jonathan Deer: talking to people, and I do we do we have any reason to think something's going to happen right away or. 324 00:30:15.540 --> 00:30:20.040 robertthibodeau: i'm fine i'm fine with punching it I just did I was just saying that I don't think it's. 325 00:30:20.400 --> 00:30:22.050 robertthibodeau: contingent on them. 326 00:30:23.130 --> 00:30:25.680 robertthibodeau: Answering every question that we asked them last time and or. 327 00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:28.830 Jonathan Deer: Nine I agree, and I say they, for all I know they. 328 00:30:29.550 --> 00:30:30.780 robertthibodeau: gave their niche they mean. 329 00:30:30.900 --> 00:30:42.480 robertthibodeau: To kind of I most likely, I mean good luck to them, but most likely, you know they won't end up being the provider anyway, you know what's their jets probably like one in 20 or something you know being chosen. 330 00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:51.180 james murez: And you know I think I would go a little bit farther besides just clean energy, I would try and specify what percentage of the cars in the lot. 331 00:30:51.720 --> 00:31:05.970 james murez: would be getting charging electric charging stations, based on the number of electric cars in the city and ramp it up use it as a percentage come up with a formula somehow that as as there becomes more and more cars, they will put in more and more charging stations. 332 00:31:07.230 --> 00:31:11.970 james murez: yeah this doesn't you know they put in one charging station that's not going to make much impact. 333 00:31:12.360 --> 00:31:12.750 Right. 334 00:31:14.580 --> 00:31:17.610 Jonathan Deer: I, like all those ideas by I. 335 00:31:18.570 --> 00:31:22.710 Jonathan Deer: Think it's a little premature, I think we need to learn a little bit more about what's going on and. 336 00:31:22.770 --> 00:31:34.350 james murez: yeah no I was just gonna say that there is a California EPA standard, I believe, for when they are and i'm not sure if it's them or if it's. 337 00:31:35.310 --> 00:31:44.550 james murez: I think it is them I think they're the ones that hand out the white decals all the deep dmv is the one that issues that I believe it's it's the EPA that. 338 00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:59.100 james murez: Has the program of how many of which type of vehicles are on the road and by what date what percentage of the vehicles on California roads have to have changed over to ev or to clean energy. 339 00:32:00.840 --> 00:32:13.650 james murez: And so, if it was tied somehow to that index to that State index of percentage of cars, maybe you know, and if we could make up a number, but of what percentage, we want to see in the lot. 340 00:32:14.340 --> 00:32:20.940 james murez: But yeah I think it's like by the year 2035 100% of the car sold in the country are supposed to be these. 341 00:32:22.260 --> 00:32:22.440 james murez: As. 342 00:32:22.770 --> 00:32:23.340 james murez: far off. 343 00:32:23.910 --> 00:32:27.570 robertthibodeau: Right so let's let's table it and we can we can. 344 00:32:29.100 --> 00:32:30.570 robertthibodeau: I mean, these are all good points. 345 00:32:30.780 --> 00:32:35.040 james murez: And you wonder if you understand it, putting in that kind of ev charging system that a lot with. 346 00:32:35.040 --> 00:32:45.720 james murez: 150 cars or whatever, there is there the amount of infrastructure that has to come into the Community in the form of electrical power wires overhead. 347 00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:52.530 Jonathan Deer: The size of transformers it's you're saying overhead I mean at the moment I guess it's overhead but. 348 00:32:52.590 --> 00:32:54.390 james murez: When it comes down Venice boulevard overhead. 349 00:32:54.420 --> 00:32:55.860 james murez: that's where the main power lines are. 350 00:32:56.010 --> 00:32:56.400 Okay. 351 00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:05.310 james murez: it's just that you're going to be when they bring in electricity at 50,000 volts they have to step it down that means you have to have a transformer bank. 352 00:33:05.670 --> 00:33:10.980 james murez: And if you start putting a lot of ev chargers all up and down the parking lot you're talking about. 353 00:33:11.490 --> 00:33:23.850 james murez: A massive amount of transformers and with with groundwater rising and and sea level rise likelihood that they're going to put those transformers underground is extremely unlikely. 354 00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:35.760 james murez: So you have to think about where in the parking lot, are you going to take out a couple parking space, maybe the corner spaces and and you know think through how the whole all the pieces are going to fit together. 355 00:33:36.330 --> 00:33:38.700 robertthibodeau: Or, or we could not do any of that. 356 00:33:39.450 --> 00:33:40.560 robertthibodeau: rob yeah. 357 00:33:40.650 --> 00:33:47.580 robertthibodeau: No, we don't have to design the whole system for Jim I know that's where you like to go, but we really don't have to do that and we can. 358 00:33:47.730 --> 00:33:49.830 robertthibodeau: send them a general message that we. 359 00:33:49.830 --> 00:33:52.650 robertthibodeau: Support ev chargers in our public parking lots. 360 00:33:53.070 --> 00:33:53.550 Okay. 361 00:33:55.770 --> 00:33:58.260 robertthibodeau: that's a legit way to go to my French. 362 00:33:59.310 --> 00:34:04.500 robertthibodeau: But but anyway okay let's go next point let's go next next item. 363 00:34:05.010 --> 00:34:05.490 Okay. 364 00:34:07.530 --> 00:34:11.850 Jonathan Deer: No public here right so there's no public to get comment from is that right. 365 00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:15.120 robertthibodeau: Seven i'm showing seven. 366 00:34:15.210 --> 00:34:17.580 james murez: Elizabeth Elizabeth clay is here. 367 00:34:17.640 --> 00:34:18.000 james murez: Let her. 368 00:34:18.120 --> 00:34:21.570 robertthibodeau: Okay she's probably very, very concerned about to like. 369 00:34:21.600 --> 00:34:23.160 james murez: Elizabeth I unmuted you. 370 00:34:26.640 --> 00:34:28.830 elizabeth Clay: hi yeah you've unmuted me. 371 00:34:30.660 --> 00:34:32.520 Jonathan Deer: You have any comment, we didn't we didn't. 372 00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:34.710 Jonathan Deer: properly take public comment but. 373 00:34:35.460 --> 00:34:44.400 elizabeth Clay: I look I literally got here like three minutes ago and was like buzzing through the agenda as you guys were saying that there's no one from the public here. 374 00:34:45.660 --> 00:34:54.330 elizabeth Clay: So I got a little tiny bit, and I was just trying to catch up on what you were just talking about because i'm late to the party on that one. 375 00:34:55.170 --> 00:34:56.490 Jonathan Deer: No, we will catch you up. 376 00:34:56.520 --> 00:35:10.020 Jonathan Deer: Real quick, so we were talking about, we had a presentation, a couple a week or I mean it last meeting by electric charging group that wants to put chargers in our Community they're owned by VW. 377 00:35:10.620 --> 00:35:11.460 Jonathan Deer: We don't have any. 378 00:35:11.490 --> 00:35:28.410 Jonathan Deer: preference for a particular group but it got us talking about what we want to do with electric chargers we're going to continue any motion today, but if there's any comment, if you have any thoughts or input on electric chargers in our Community feel free to speak up. 379 00:35:28.950 --> 00:35:30.030 elizabeth Clay: And what an asset. 380 00:35:31.140 --> 00:35:46.680 elizabeth Clay: And all of the builders are getting a lot of pressure to make sure that they've chargers and every new construction, so let me put my thinking cap on on that i'm not going to generate a really good quality question right now that I might come up with one little bit. 381 00:35:48.060 --> 00:35:48.630 Jonathan Deer: Should. 382 00:35:49.380 --> 00:35:50.040 elizabeth Clay: carry on. 383 00:35:50.820 --> 00:35:53.610 Jonathan Deer: We will move on, so let us move on to. 384 00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.640 james murez: New business sorry you got to scroll. 385 00:36:00.090 --> 00:36:02.010 Jonathan Deer: Do we lose Robert disappeared for a second. 386 00:36:03.450 --> 00:36:04.770 james murez: Robert Scott, the screen. 387 00:36:05.010 --> 00:36:11.520 Jonathan Deer: So he'll i'm sure he'll be right back and when he does he will scroll to parking enforcement. 388 00:36:13.710 --> 00:36:14.700 james murez: or lack thereof. 389 00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:21.030 Jonathan Deer: And right so i'll just start and then we'll get Robert to fill oh no he's back so he can tell us what Robert actually. 390 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:25.500 james murez: Remember, we need you to scroll the screen Robert we need you to scroll the screen. 391 00:36:26.190 --> 00:36:30.300 Jonathan Deer: We are next item seven parking enforcement and. 392 00:36:30.990 --> 00:36:49.050 Jonathan Deer: So we invited a number of people to come speak, including someone from violence office someone from the iot and no one would come speak but Robert did find out some good information regarding that so Robert why don't you fill us in on what you found out. 393 00:36:49.620 --> 00:36:55.680 robertthibodeau: you're gonna have to bear with me for a second, so my my general question whoops. 394 00:36:57.240 --> 00:36:58.470 robertthibodeau: Sorry guys. 395 00:36:59.550 --> 00:37:02.250 robertthibodeau: My general question to. 396 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:05.010 robertthibodeau: Their. 397 00:37:06.690 --> 00:37:09.030 robertthibodeau: general question to. 398 00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:12.090 james murez: You know, you can stop sharing and then reshare if you want. 399 00:37:14.640 --> 00:37:16.920 robertthibodeau: I was going to pull up the email. 400 00:37:17.190 --> 00:37:22.380 james murez: yeah stop stop sharing find your email, and then, once you have it go back and Chair again. 401 00:37:23.040 --> 00:37:23.460 Okay. 402 00:37:24.720 --> 00:37:25.560 robertthibodeau: So. 403 00:37:29.730 --> 00:37:34.410 robertthibodeau: There we go agenda okay changes off. 404 00:37:36.450 --> 00:37:37.110 robertthibodeau: I. 405 00:37:39.750 --> 00:37:41.370 robertthibodeau: started my track. 406 00:37:42.720 --> 00:37:43.260 robertthibodeau: With. 407 00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:50.160 robertthibodeau: Trying to track down if there was any information. 408 00:37:51.270 --> 00:37:52.110 robertthibodeau: Regarding. 409 00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:54.900 robertthibodeau: The. 410 00:37:57.060 --> 00:37:58.860 robertthibodeau: Resumption of. 411 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:08.880 robertthibodeau: Of okay got it here and now we want to start sharing again so go back into zoom. 412 00:38:14.160 --> 00:38:15.570 robertthibodeau: we're going to go shares. 413 00:38:21.870 --> 00:38:22.350 robertthibodeau: got it. 414 00:38:22.860 --> 00:38:23.280 yeah. 415 00:38:24.450 --> 00:38:24.960 robertthibodeau: Okay. 416 00:38:25.020 --> 00:38:27.450 james murez: got a zoom in a little bit, can you enlarge it. 417 00:38:29.040 --> 00:38:30.300 robertthibodeau: I am not that fast. 418 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:31.470 james murez: Okay don't worry about it. 419 00:38:32.250 --> 00:38:33.570 robertthibodeau: i'm doing it, but uh. 420 00:38:35.160 --> 00:38:38.970 james murez: You have to know how to like enlarge the font or something forget it don't worry about Robert. 421 00:38:39.540 --> 00:38:39.900 Okay. 422 00:38:42.330 --> 00:38:46.650 robertthibodeau: The most informational person I talked to was. 423 00:38:53.100 --> 00:38:53.670 robertthibodeau: was actually. 424 00:38:54.270 --> 00:38:54.900 Much better. 425 00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:04.290 robertthibodeau: So the most informational person I talked to is from Joe was guy in his office. 426 00:39:06.150 --> 00:39:07.110 robertthibodeau: folks from. 427 00:39:08.430 --> 00:39:21.240 robertthibodeau: mountaintops I talked about Alec and to justin who's relatively new they were both very nice and tried to help, but I feel the most informational in terms of. 428 00:39:22.260 --> 00:39:24.000 robertthibodeau: what's going on, was from. 429 00:39:25.140 --> 00:39:25.830 robertthibodeau: This guy. 430 00:39:26.850 --> 00:39:28.680 robertthibodeau: Dennis who is referred to me. 431 00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:51.060 robertthibodeau: And he he basically explained that, when the coven emergency order, and you can read it on this screen when the corporate emergency order came into play, they put something in there in emergency order to suspend parking enforcement across the street city. 432 00:39:54.570 --> 00:39:55.080 robertthibodeau: and 433 00:39:57.060 --> 00:40:00.960 robertthibodeau: In talking to artists too fast, you can kind of see this. 434 00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:03.960 robertthibodeau: In talking to. 435 00:40:05.190 --> 00:40:05.580 robertthibodeau: In. 436 00:40:06.690 --> 00:40:08.130 robertthibodeau: The members of. 437 00:40:10.080 --> 00:40:10.200 robertthibodeau: The. 438 00:40:11.820 --> 00:40:22.050 robertthibodeau: Finance office who are helpful as well, they basically explained that they've suspended all ticketing and enforcement on. 439 00:40:23.070 --> 00:40:24.660 robertthibodeau: vehicles that people are living in. 440 00:40:25.710 --> 00:40:26.190 robertthibodeau: and 441 00:40:28.050 --> 00:40:28.560 robertthibodeau: They. 442 00:40:29.850 --> 00:40:30.270 robertthibodeau: They. 443 00:40:31.980 --> 00:40:34.230 robertthibodeau: kind of alluded to until. 444 00:40:35.970 --> 00:40:37.680 robertthibodeau: safe parking is available. 445 00:40:39.690 --> 00:40:41.880 robertthibodeau: To me that's. 446 00:40:42.900 --> 00:40:44.220 robertthibodeau: You know I don't know. 447 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:45.870 robertthibodeau: anyway. 448 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:47.610 robertthibodeau: um but. 449 00:40:47.670 --> 00:40:51.120 robertthibodeau: But this this I can share in this outlines. 450 00:40:53.250 --> 00:40:57.030 robertthibodeau: what's going on, I think there is there are emotions. 451 00:40:58.620 --> 00:41:02.460 robertthibodeau: and recommendations to begin to. 452 00:41:03.930 --> 00:41:04.440 robertthibodeau: To. 453 00:41:05.940 --> 00:41:11.760 robertthibodeau: Start enforcing again for the oversized vehicles overhyped vehicles in a bin vehicles and. 454 00:41:13.860 --> 00:41:24.480 robertthibodeau: These recommendations have not yet been adopted by the full City Council don't know when that will occur, the Council President as sole authority decide what gets placed on the agenda so similar to you, Jim. 455 00:41:25.080 --> 00:41:39.360 robertthibodeau: The Council President, besides what and I, I believe that Martinez right, yes, she is the President of it, so I don't know what her position is, I mean I guess she would be the next person to talk to. 456 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.830 robertthibodeau: If we wanted to do more research, I would suggest that. 457 00:41:47.670 --> 00:41:50.850 robertthibodeau: You know if we wanted to get into motions and letters. 458 00:41:52.740 --> 00:41:59.370 robertthibodeau: You know, either in this meeting or a subsequent meeting to encourage them and use some of this language. 459 00:42:00.810 --> 00:42:02.640 robertthibodeau: We could certainly do that and. 460 00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:04.950 robertthibodeau: You want to jump in john. 461 00:42:05.520 --> 00:42:07.890 Jonathan Deer: i'm just going to say let's take a look at this. 462 00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:14.430 Jonathan Deer: The recommendations that so that's the transportation committee of the city council. 463 00:42:14.910 --> 00:42:16.590 robertthibodeau: Great so. 464 00:42:16.620 --> 00:42:23.760 Jonathan Deer: let's take a look at what they have recommended and see if that's something we just want to support that getting getting a vote. 465 00:42:24.630 --> 00:42:26.490 robertthibodeau: jim's got to stand up, should we go. 466 00:42:26.550 --> 00:42:37.290 james murez: So I have my hand up because a couple things you guys may or may not be aware of, first of all councilman councilman bomb and is the President of the transportation committee. 467 00:42:39.750 --> 00:42:47.880 james murez: And that's just a point of information it won't go on the agenda of the full Council until he's ready for it to. 468 00:42:48.870 --> 00:42:50.040 james murez: understood so. 469 00:42:50.370 --> 00:42:50.910 james murez: i'm not. 470 00:42:51.120 --> 00:42:51.570 robertthibodeau: That is. 471 00:42:51.600 --> 00:43:06.930 james murez: That having That having been said, let me tell you about the most powerful tool that we, the neighborhood Councils have it's called the Community impact statement and a Community impact statement is a. 472 00:43:08.790 --> 00:43:22.290 james murez: motion that the board would pass that then ends up getting attached directly to the Council file and if we wanted to make a recommendation to. 473 00:43:22.950 --> 00:43:33.630 james murez: implement this document that you're showing us here this recommendation, if we wanted to have true substance, we need to know the Council file number. 474 00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:42.030 james murez: Where this stuff is being considered so once it starts to be considered in the committee, the city clerk opens a Council file. 475 00:43:43.110 --> 00:43:51.690 james murez: And the numbers always start with cf something so this one's gonna be something because it's your 21 and then it will have some number like 927 or something. 476 00:43:52.320 --> 00:44:03.480 james murez: And, and if we looked up what this Council file number was we could read what its current state is on the City Council file management system. 477 00:44:04.710 --> 00:44:14.610 james murez: And when it's scheduled to come back to committee or to the full, Council, and if we wanted to enter a document into that file. 478 00:44:15.300 --> 00:44:33.150 james murez: All we have to do is get the motion before the Board and the board once it's approved can then submit it directly into the Council file and it would appear, for everybody else in the entire city, as well as all of the city council people that have to take a vote on it. 479 00:44:33.780 --> 00:44:38.040 robertthibodeau: Can you repeat those steps Jim i'm sorry I put my pen down for a second, so we. 480 00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:39.480 robertthibodeau: use it oh yeah yes. 481 00:44:39.510 --> 00:44:53.310 james murez: yeah no scroll scroll your screen, so I can see what's above here because it looked like a stop there polo right there department or city transportation see if I were to felicia report 30 days current process oversized vehicles so. 482 00:44:53.970 --> 00:44:55.140 james murez: I sit back. 483 00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:57.960 Jonathan Deer: And there's there's a link, but you know my. 484 00:44:58.050 --> 00:44:59.040 Jonathan Deer: So before while. 485 00:44:59.070 --> 00:45:02.700 james murez: they're like I can't click on that link, what happens if you click on that link. 486 00:45:03.300 --> 00:45:04.710 robertthibodeau: I can click on that link. 487 00:45:04.740 --> 00:45:06.810 james murez: yeah click on that link where's that take us. 488 00:45:08.850 --> 00:45:09.330 james murez: So there's. 489 00:45:09.540 --> 00:45:11.010 Jonathan Deer: there's the Council file number. 490 00:45:11.010 --> 00:45:11.340 Right. 491 00:45:12.600 --> 00:45:14.400 james murez: I was pretty close I was a good guess. 492 00:45:14.460 --> 00:45:16.080 james murez: I think I said 938 or something. 493 00:45:16.950 --> 00:45:25.320 Jonathan Deer: Let me just say before we go down that road, I have a question, so if we read these recommendation I mean i've read the recommendations and I personally think there. 494 00:45:26.190 --> 00:45:37.140 Jonathan Deer: i'm not surprised to hear that bond is the head of a committee because they're all honestly just putting things down the road they're they're not really designed to take any action, as I read. 495 00:45:37.140 --> 00:45:37.710 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 496 00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:38.670 So okay. 497 00:45:40.170 --> 00:45:42.510 james murez: What happened, so what happens at this point. 498 00:45:42.570 --> 00:45:52.350 james murez: To answer your question, Robert we can take a moment you guys put this on your agenda for tonight you can propose. 499 00:45:53.490 --> 00:45:54.180 james murez: More. 500 00:45:55.650 --> 00:45:58.770 james murez: Rigid or more strict language than what's written here. 501 00:45:59.820 --> 00:46:01.500 james murez: We can put it before the board. 502 00:46:02.550 --> 00:46:14.580 james murez: And we can say that we want to have a Community impact statement filed on this case number of the Board adopts it then that stronger wording of better enforcement whatever we want to call it. 503 00:46:15.690 --> 00:46:20.430 james murez: is then put into the file and taking care of. 504 00:46:22.140 --> 00:46:22.530 Jonathan Deer: So. 505 00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:26.250 james murez: it's permanently attached so. 506 00:46:26.490 --> 00:46:40.560 Jonathan Deer: To me, and then I don't know how other people feel but and I don't think we're prepared to do it tonight I hate to keep kicking the can down the road on things, but to me, I would like to find out the contours of. 507 00:46:41.640 --> 00:46:44.850 Jonathan Deer: The protections for dwelling vehicles. 508 00:46:46.680 --> 00:46:54.600 Jonathan Deer: and craft, something that got it i'm talking about the constitutional protections that the area where the city's not allowed back. 509 00:46:55.260 --> 00:47:10.200 Jonathan Deer: and craft, something it goes right up to that edge and gets as many of these vehicles handled as possible, I mean we drive down our streets and the vehicles are torn to pieces, sitting all of our streets and and we can't do anything about it so. 510 00:47:12.150 --> 00:47:23.130 Jonathan Deer: You know I I would take this trial and arrange the strongest possible measure we can request and get that into the city council's file, because you know this. 511 00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:32.850 Jonathan Deer: You know this, this is just saying let's look at stuff more that's that's pretty valuable any of the sense it doesn't say like to do anything. 512 00:47:33.270 --> 00:47:35.880 robertthibodeau: You also maybe we could take a crack at. 513 00:47:37.380 --> 00:47:39.810 robertthibodeau: editing editing this and. 514 00:47:42.240 --> 00:47:47.670 robertthibodeau: What emotion in front of the next next month's meeting with the you know. 515 00:47:48.570 --> 00:47:51.900 Jonathan Deer: That God does anybody else like I mean let's just see. 516 00:47:52.740 --> 00:47:53.130 Jonathan Deer: If I. 517 00:47:53.640 --> 00:47:57.180 james murez: Can you scroll up just so I can see what he says, and still keep G on the screen. 518 00:47:59.160 --> 00:48:00.150 robertthibodeau: Can I do that. 519 00:48:01.380 --> 00:48:01.830 james murez: perfect. 520 00:48:04.770 --> 00:48:07.200 robertthibodeau: I mean the one that's sort of a killer is the. 521 00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:19.950 robertthibodeau: recommend procedures and coordinating unified homeless response Center D basically means that people have. 522 00:48:23.670 --> 00:48:30.780 robertthibodeau: You know kind of carte blanche, I guess, although I guess you could read deed mean what someone in a camper has been offered. 523 00:48:32.010 --> 00:48:36.090 robertthibodeau: Something that then they have to either take it or move. 524 00:48:37.260 --> 00:48:39.660 robertthibodeau: I guess you could read that either way I don't know what you think john. 525 00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:45.840 Jonathan Deer: Maybe that's why i'd like to look at the level of protection that exists right now and. 526 00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:49.350 Jonathan Deer: You know, craft clear language that's not so maybe. 527 00:48:50.700 --> 00:49:08.190 robertthibodeau: Okay i'm i'm down again, I just wanted to I was curious myself what the change in policy was and when it happened because I was not, I was not clear i've been getting a lot of questions about this from the people who live near the encampment at air one. 528 00:49:09.390 --> 00:49:11.310 robertthibodeau: You know, in general, that one is sort of. 529 00:49:12.690 --> 00:49:14.610 robertthibodeau: it's a tough bunch over there and. 530 00:49:15.720 --> 00:49:16.170 robertthibodeau: and 531 00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:18.270 robertthibodeau: and 532 00:49:20.100 --> 00:49:29.700 robertthibodeau: It made me realize I didn't I didn't understand the mechanisms of what was going on, and I just wanted to present it to the committee, and if we want to. 533 00:49:31.230 --> 00:49:32.520 robertthibodeau: either go deeper. 534 00:49:36.720 --> 00:49:37.470 robertthibodeau: You know what I mean. 535 00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:46.680 james murez: let's talk about a couple of these consists there's some some information that I want to share with you, if you don't if you guys aren't in a hurry, I see Elizabeth has her hand up also Elizabeth we're just sort of free talking here. 536 00:49:47.040 --> 00:49:47.610 elizabeth Clay: Oh okay. 537 00:49:48.150 --> 00:49:49.020 robertthibodeau: yeah go for it. 538 00:49:49.260 --> 00:49:50.610 elizabeth Clay: Am I unmuted yeah I am. 539 00:49:50.640 --> 00:49:51.420 james murez: Here you're unmuted. 540 00:49:51.660 --> 00:49:54.480 james murez: Okay, you understand you understand the the issue with geez. 541 00:49:54.990 --> 00:49:58.320 james murez: I do you i'm just talking in general g. 542 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:00.930 james murez: To Robert and to. 543 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:03.390 james murez: To john. 544 00:50:03.690 --> 00:50:05.250 Jonathan Deer: yeah I mean go ahead and make us. 545 00:50:05.610 --> 00:50:19.980 james murez: So, so the issue here is they're looking for different business models for providing towing services, the problem with this is the people that do the impounding of the vehicles will not empower them. 546 00:50:21.030 --> 00:50:26.100 james murez: And the reason they won't impound them is because they lose a fortune every time they do. 547 00:50:26.430 --> 00:50:27.480 robertthibodeau: they're not going to get paid. 548 00:50:27.600 --> 00:50:36.720 james murez: there's there's no recycle value and it's all environmental toxic waste the things are made out of materials that can't be recycled. 549 00:50:37.350 --> 00:50:50.370 james murez: They have propane tanks that have to be handled specially they have septic tanks that have to be handled special there's absolutely no value in them, so what bonded and saying in this is let's tell them someplace else instead. 550 00:50:52.650 --> 00:50:53.040 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 551 00:50:53.130 --> 00:50:54.810 robertthibodeau: Again, it might make sense but. 552 00:50:55.980 --> 00:50:57.000 Jonathan Deer: Good I mean. 553 00:50:57.750 --> 00:51:03.750 james murez: We want I mean i'm just trying to read into it, what so you guys have an idea of what what's been talked about here. 554 00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:18.660 robertthibodeau: I think the fact that anything is in front of the Council to address this issue is is a bit of positive you know it's a bit positive and at least they're acknowledging, there is a an ongoing problem. 555 00:51:20.160 --> 00:51:21.000 james murez: Right well yeah. 556 00:51:21.180 --> 00:51:24.420 james murez: F is responding to the same thing F is responding to. 557 00:51:25.440 --> 00:51:29.190 james murez: We have a problem G is saying here's a possible solution. 558 00:51:29.550 --> 00:51:35.610 Jonathan Deer: Okay, so okay so nobody will tell him right now is the prime is part of the problem. 559 00:51:35.640 --> 00:51:37.290 james murez: pretty much okay. 560 00:51:38.850 --> 00:51:42.060 Jonathan Deer: All right, and then Elizabeth has been trying to speak. 561 00:51:42.090 --> 00:51:46.650 elizabeth Clay: Oh look, I think that one of the big qualifying criteria here is. 562 00:51:48.450 --> 00:52:00.180 elizabeth Clay: Just because somebody in an rv doesn't classify them as homeless, but we seemed the city seems to be taking it that direction that if you're in that kind of vehicle and you're parked on a street. 563 00:52:00.630 --> 00:52:11.220 elizabeth Clay: Then you need to be treated as a homeless individual, and you know coordinating with homeless outreach services and so forth, and I think this is going to keep muddying the waters. 564 00:52:13.080 --> 00:52:24.240 elizabeth Clay: Because you know how you have don't you have to distinguish who the drivers behind the wheel and who left it there and are they homeless, I mean don't they have a home because of that their home by definition. 565 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:32.250 elizabeth Clay: So shouldn't there be some classification around how to triage and and decide if. 566 00:52:33.600 --> 00:52:46.320 elizabeth Clay: If this is a homeless rv and then that follows one flow chart and if it's not considered just a someone passing through California, I mean we actually must have people who still. 567 00:52:47.100 --> 00:52:58.470 elizabeth Clay: Just legally sleep out on the or sleep in their rv but are passing through there's here for 24 hours just doesn't seem to be any kind of qualification around that. 568 00:53:01.320 --> 00:53:12.630 elizabeth Clay: night I think it's going to be tough to nail people down because the police are going to be looking to decide whether they can they have the right to even go inside that vehicle. 569 00:53:14.010 --> 00:53:20.700 Jonathan Deer: yeah and I think that's why I want to understand a little better the contours of those protections so that we can. 570 00:53:21.720 --> 00:53:26.610 Jonathan Deer: craft a recommendation or you know yeah recommendation to the city. 571 00:53:28.290 --> 00:53:32.970 Jonathan Deer: That isn't doa because we just didn't understand their limitations. 572 00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:34.620 elizabeth Clay: and getting. 573 00:53:34.770 --> 00:53:47.880 elizabeth Clay: Getting number one possible getting towed is impossible, Jim I went through this we had one abandoned on one of the properties I manage and you're absolutely right, nobody wants to touch it nobody. 574 00:53:48.660 --> 00:53:55.020 Jonathan Deer: Not for any reason, oh I like Jim suggestion out there is a place to take it, and they were paid to tell it they tell it. 575 00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.850 Jonathan Deer: Right, they have to take it and dumping somewhere that the city has control on. 576 00:53:59.940 --> 00:54:02.040 james murez: So you know item see on here. 577 00:54:02.100 --> 00:54:07.410 james murez: yeah i'm eat we have bike lanes where these things are all hanging out into the bike. 578 00:54:07.410 --> 00:54:23.910 james murez: 100% we have what's considered to be sensitive habitat areas because the sewage that they're dumping out of them is going into the gutter and that's going out the storm drain into the ocean we're too close to the beach deep and start to think about filtering and. 579 00:54:25.050 --> 00:54:37.200 james murez: I think the point that Elizabeth making these are their home, so how they help this D fit into here, why would you have a homeless provider involved with somebody who has a whole. 580 00:54:38.610 --> 00:54:54.600 james murez: I mean this thing is is reading like we're not going to do anything because we can't make up our mind what these things are, if you read a How are they going to distinguish between you know, an abandoned vehicle unless there's just nobody there and they would throw that away anyway. 581 00:54:55.230 --> 00:54:55.530 james murez: Maybe. 582 00:54:55.740 --> 00:55:03.090 elizabeth Clay: They just don't answer that's The other thing we had a bunch of them when I lived over on Commonwealth and then we got the overhead signs put up. 583 00:55:03.300 --> 00:55:12.480 elizabeth Clay: You know, and that what they am so we needed to move for them and they just wouldn't answer the door for days, so the police, you know. 584 00:55:13.200 --> 00:55:20.250 elizabeth Clay: we're supposed that that was when it's sort of it was understood that if no one was inside, then you could comply with the law. 585 00:55:20.910 --> 00:55:29.310 elizabeth Clay: So they just made it look like, no one was inside the minute the police stop knocking you know he saw guys coming out dogs coming out, they just kept everything quiet. 586 00:55:31.230 --> 00:55:36.390 james murez: So, I guess, to me, you know the, the answer is. 587 00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:41.010 james murez: Just enforce the oversized vehicle. 588 00:55:41.370 --> 00:55:49.740 james murez: ego and and once you get all of the oversized vehicles enforced, then you can start worrying about anything that's left behind. 589 00:55:52.980 --> 00:56:02.130 james murez: You know, to enforce it all they have to do is they they're claiming that they can't penalize people for sleeping on the street and they're extending that. 590 00:56:02.670 --> 00:56:16.830 james murez: To it's okay to park anywhere, and you know you can live in your car you're not homeless anymore, because the police have said, we can't enter we can't tell you we can't do anything, because this is your home Messiah or whatever they call it. 591 00:56:18.420 --> 00:56:19.980 james murez: So it's sort of a. 592 00:56:21.120 --> 00:56:24.630 james murez: Double edged sword right there, claiming that. 593 00:56:25.890 --> 00:56:35.190 james murez: it's not a home because it's a vehicle, but at the same time they're claiming it is their home and they can't do anything if the person's inside it, so I say. 594 00:56:36.330 --> 00:56:39.750 james murez: just have a mooc just enforce the damn law. 595 00:56:40.320 --> 00:56:41.070 Jonathan Deer: Is there. 596 00:56:41.310 --> 00:56:52.290 james murez: If they need if they need safe parking lots there are several safe parking lots throughout the city where they've already created safe parking programs. 597 00:56:53.940 --> 00:57:07.380 james murez: I believe the West Chester municipal Center has one parking lot there, and when I drove by this evening on my way back from the airport, I think there were only like three or four campers in there and it's a lot that when I did my parking study back in. 598 00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.660 james murez: They have enough space there for over 300 vehicles. 599 00:57:14.640 --> 00:57:16.020 james murez: So it's sort of like. 600 00:57:17.070 --> 00:57:19.140 james murez: You know they don't want to do anything. 601 00:57:20.640 --> 00:57:28.920 james murez: And that's only one location, they have plenty of other sites, I also identified the police training Center over on Manchester. 602 00:57:30.300 --> 00:57:36.720 james murez: that's a big huge shine industrial lot that used to belong to Hewlett Packard they probably have three or 400 parking spaces there. 603 00:57:38.490 --> 00:57:48.240 james murez: it's something like 13 acres of land that's a very small office building ever running track, I mean it's a beautiful facility, but, but the safe part Program. 604 00:57:49.830 --> 00:58:04.440 james murez: Does have restrictions like you're only allowed to be there from six o'clock at night until seven o'clock in the morning, or something, and so that people have to come in and go out and these people don't want to move their vehicles but that's their problem. 605 00:58:04.920 --> 00:58:05.370 james murez: And I have. 606 00:58:06.150 --> 00:58:19.440 robertthibodeau: To add one thing is again we you know we recognize this is city wide problem this isn't specific to Venice right now I mean this is many areas in the city where this is going on, but we have a unique. 607 00:58:20.970 --> 00:58:23.250 robertthibodeau: qualification of because. 608 00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:28.050 robertthibodeau: The tourism in the coastal area, and right now. 609 00:58:29.520 --> 00:58:37.320 robertthibodeau: The parking is heavily impacted because we've got so many very large vehicles that are are moving anymore and. 610 00:58:38.790 --> 00:58:43.620 robertthibodeau: You know that that affects people's ability to you know tourists and. 611 00:58:45.420 --> 00:58:51.480 robertthibodeau: You know, recreational users from being able to use the coast and the way that they're supposed to be able to. 612 00:58:52.830 --> 00:58:58.500 robertthibodeau: But anyways, so we should we, what should we do what What should we do with this, I mean, I think we all. 613 00:59:00.030 --> 00:59:03.900 robertthibodeau: See is Dave, and so let me ask is there, someone that. 614 00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:04.860 Jonathan Deer: can then. 615 00:59:04.950 --> 00:59:12.960 Jonathan Deer: We can invite to talk to us to explain to us the contours of this protection, so we can create emotion that. 616 00:59:14.040 --> 00:59:17.550 Jonathan Deer: You know that that gets us much mileage as we can, we can get. 617 00:59:17.790 --> 00:59:21.240 james murez: Well, when you say the contours of the protection, what are you referring to. 618 00:59:21.330 --> 00:59:21.750 well. 619 00:59:23.040 --> 00:59:25.320 james murez: So we know the willpower have. 620 00:59:25.890 --> 00:59:31.350 Jonathan Deer: gotten them, no, no, I mean the contours of constitutional protection that's when they keep. 621 00:59:31.350 --> 00:59:32.340 Jonathan Deer: Using to. 622 00:59:33.930 --> 00:59:45.810 Jonathan Deer: You know, to say we can't do this, we can't do that, and you know there's a large body of case law out there there I just read an opinion that was rather surprising, the other day, not directly on this, but finding that. 623 00:59:47.190 --> 00:59:50.070 Jonathan Deer: Taking a couch off the sidewalk is search and seizure. 624 00:59:51.450 --> 00:59:59.610 james murez: And Claudia Claudia Martin is the city attorney that works with. 625 01:00:03.360 --> 01:00:05.790 james murez: Monday contreras the senior lead. 626 01:00:06.600 --> 01:00:13.410 james murez: And she's usually the one that's involved in, yes, she would she would be a really good source and I can give you her contact. 627 01:00:13.770 --> 01:00:16.350 robertthibodeau: I reached out to her, she was reluctant. 628 01:00:17.700 --> 01:00:23.220 robertthibodeau: To I mean I think she would meet with us, but she basically punted it to the Council office, I mean. 629 01:00:23.580 --> 01:00:28.530 james murez: that's because the councilman in charge of the committee that's responsible to enforce this. 630 01:00:28.590 --> 01:00:30.660 robertthibodeau: That and that that's why she punted it. 631 01:00:30.750 --> 01:00:36.300 Jonathan Deer: And I was wondering, you said we're ready, she said we're ready to do anything they tell us to do, and that was essentially the. 632 01:00:36.300 --> 01:00:47.730 robertthibodeau: response I got i've got emails back from them as well that I hadn't brought up, but the most informational I got was from this guy Dennis gleason and we could probably invite him, and if we give them more notice next time. 633 01:00:49.200 --> 01:00:51.270 robertthibodeau: I would hazard to say we could get them at our meeting. 634 01:00:51.660 --> 01:01:04.110 Jonathan Deer: So, when does he have background and understanding that you know, I was also thinking about how we might be able to invite an egg and experts, there might be somebody at UCLA and it studies this and understand. 635 01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:06.600 Jonathan Deer: or somebody like that. 636 01:01:06.690 --> 01:01:10.890 james murez: That I don't have any of those sources i'm not saying that they don't exist, but I don't know. 637 01:01:12.030 --> 01:01:18.180 Nick Antonicello: Why don't we why don't we just write up what we want to write to the counts of solid, but the only out. 638 01:01:19.320 --> 01:01:34.020 Nick Antonicello: On it has no interest moving enemies rp you go up to go to whole foods is about six or seven vehicles that are parked on roads that tires are flat the run cinderblocks. 639 01:01:35.820 --> 01:01:53.160 Nick Antonicello: donate and here's a tip so just wasting our time to write something he didn't react right, we want to write the only thing I would recommend is, if you look at it from a health department standpoint these these vehicles are healthy. 640 01:01:54.600 --> 01:02:04.920 Nick Antonicello: And they're sitting there for months on end and that's where the real problem is, you know you're going to want them having a third street problem now on rolls around around. 641 01:02:07.020 --> 01:02:07.770 Nick Antonicello: that's what I see. 642 01:02:08.250 --> 01:02:16.920 robertthibodeau: My my sense was that they didn't want that people did want to do something at least show some movement or have. 643 01:02:17.460 --> 01:02:27.510 robertthibodeau: You know, it may not be exactly what we would want, but I, I felt were as quick as we would want it, but I did feel like there was some movement forwards. 644 01:02:28.500 --> 01:02:44.550 robertthibodeau: When I spoke with people I did speak with, and if you look at the votes I mean it is and it's it's an odd mix of bedfellows, so to speak, you know because normally Joe and Mike you know both opposite ends and here we've got. 645 01:02:46.110 --> 01:02:46.680 robertthibodeau: we've got. 646 01:02:47.760 --> 01:02:52.050 robertthibodeau: You know we've got the three of them all voting yes, which to me means maybe. 647 01:02:53.550 --> 01:02:53.880 robertthibodeau: You know. 648 01:02:53.910 --> 01:02:55.320 robertthibodeau: Maybe there is some value to this. 649 01:02:56.790 --> 01:02:59.100 robertthibodeau: Well, maybe anyways. 650 01:02:59.250 --> 01:03:04.620 james murez: So scroll back up for one second you know why to see something on your go slowly a little bit. 651 01:03:04.650 --> 01:03:12.840 james murez: keep going up right there stop Community impact statement none submitted that's where our our Community is. 652 01:03:13.230 --> 01:03:13.620 robertthibodeau: I saw. 653 01:03:13.830 --> 01:03:15.390 robertthibodeau: I saw that as soon as you make. 654 01:03:15.990 --> 01:03:16.500 james murez: An exception. 655 01:03:16.770 --> 01:03:29.460 james murez: And if you scroll up a little bit more, I just want to make a suggestion, I believe that the most powerful statement that could be made here would be a solution that gets the job done. 656 01:03:30.720 --> 01:03:39.480 james murez: And, and I think that the solution is let's go find a couple of industrial lots there zoned em something rather. 657 01:03:40.800 --> 01:03:43.680 james murez: And let's find out what it costs to lease them. 658 01:03:45.450 --> 01:03:55.500 james murez: vacant lots dirt lot someplace it doesn't matter what they are let's find some properties, where we could take 100 vehicles off of the streets of Venice. 659 01:03:55.980 --> 01:04:01.920 james murez: let's pencil out what it's going to cost to do it and say, this will allow you to start enforcing the law. 660 01:04:02.730 --> 01:04:11.310 james murez: Because if he's willing to spend a half a million dollars for a condo he's willing to spend $5 billion to get the people down on the beach off the beach. 661 01:04:11.790 --> 01:04:28.410 james murez: Five number $5 million to get them off a rose let him spend $10,000 a month on some old dirt lots of ways that are some old industrial lot in in some part of the district where it's not being used short term long term lease whatever turn it into a. 662 01:04:30.030 --> 01:04:30.930 james murez: trailer park. 663 01:04:31.710 --> 01:04:38.340 elizabeth Clay: What makes it safe parking that is an interesting qualifying word and it's very subjective. 664 01:04:38.730 --> 01:04:42.270 james murez: Say parking is a definition it's actually a program. 665 01:04:42.900 --> 01:04:48.090 elizabeth Clay: Okay, so is that the intention here that they're referring to the Program. 666 01:04:48.480 --> 01:04:51.450 james murez: Probably I mean i'm surprised it's not capitalized but i'm sure. 667 01:04:51.450 --> 01:04:51.780 Right. 668 01:04:53.040 --> 01:05:06.060 elizabeth Clay: Exactly it could it could just mean qualifying the area of parking and in those safe parking zones, do they have do you have to supply services to them hookups or anything like that. 669 01:05:06.870 --> 01:05:13.050 james murez: I think it depends on which ones they're at, and it was I think some of them have more more services than others. 670 01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:14.280 elizabeth Clay: And do does. 671 01:05:15.330 --> 01:05:16.500 elizabeth Clay: have one while. 672 01:05:16.680 --> 01:05:20.910 james murez: The one at westchester, for instance, next to the to the office there. 673 01:05:21.210 --> 01:05:23.280 james murez: Again, he has it has porta potties. 674 01:05:24.630 --> 01:05:34.740 elizabeth Clay: Does your vehicle have to be mobile and functional or would would they allow us to pay for the or the city to pay for the types as because it's my tax paying money. 675 01:05:36.120 --> 01:05:52.170 elizabeth Clay: To pay for the toe one direction, maybe it never moves again but it gets that toe fee is covered one way if if the vehicle is deemed non functional and do they require insurance on their vehicle to be impounded in private lot. 676 01:05:53.550 --> 01:05:58.860 james murez: So those are good questions i'm not sure it would be impounded, though, if they were. 677 01:05:58.890 --> 01:05:59.640 elizabeth Clay: charting yet. 678 01:06:00.240 --> 01:06:00.900 james murez: Okay, fair. 679 01:06:00.930 --> 01:06:01.530 james murez: You just get. 680 01:06:01.590 --> 01:06:17.490 elizabeth Clay: out let's just say to be housed in a private lot i'm just trying to think of insurance liability right for having a bunch of vehicles propane tanks they're blowing up like crazy on Washington there's like one a week that catches fire over there, we hear the bangs from my house. 681 01:06:19.260 --> 01:06:22.020 elizabeth Clay: There there dangerous so. 682 01:06:23.280 --> 01:06:26.400 elizabeth Clay: How are they has that liability covered. 683 01:06:27.870 --> 01:06:42.810 Jonathan Deer: yeah those those are those are all very valid points, and we should just take a month, but I think we need to you know part of you know, part of all we do is to just make a strong statement we're not going to solve all these problems, but. 684 01:06:42.810 --> 01:06:43.350 robertthibodeau: again. 685 01:06:43.560 --> 01:06:44.430 Jonathan Deer: Yes, yeah yeah. 686 01:06:44.490 --> 01:06:52.650 Jonathan Deer: yeah, but we can take a month to look into any any of those individual issues any of us want to look into and then let's come back next month and and. 687 01:06:53.130 --> 01:06:55.020 robertthibodeau: Just graph to see is yes. 688 01:06:55.110 --> 01:06:56.520 robertthibodeau: yeah okay. 689 01:06:57.600 --> 01:07:08.880 robertthibodeau: I think we're gonna have another fairly long item, and I would like to finish reasonably early tonight, can we move it on to automate with people feel satisfied. 690 01:07:09.330 --> 01:07:11.040 yeah yes. 691 01:07:12.420 --> 01:07:13.110 robertthibodeau: So. 692 01:07:13.620 --> 01:07:15.960 james murez: you're the boss, you know just go for it. 693 01:07:20.160 --> 01:07:22.830 Jonathan Deer: I intimate how you want me to introduce it. 694 01:07:23.190 --> 01:07:25.230 Jonathan Deer: yeah so I intimate is. 695 01:07:25.830 --> 01:07:29.880 Jonathan Deer: A discussion about Community plan and land use and specific plans. 696 01:07:30.990 --> 01:07:35.490 Jonathan Deer: What we wanted to get into and then i'll turn it over to Robert who's done considerable work on this. 697 01:07:37.350 --> 01:07:39.240 Jonathan Deer: Is let's see. 698 01:07:42.240 --> 01:07:45.690 Jonathan Deer: Is is the impact of these plans are going to be renewed. 699 01:07:47.160 --> 01:08:02.760 Jonathan Deer: You know that and modified and they're going to impact development in Venice and and what life looks like invented so we wanted to start having some open discussions about them here and figure out what direction we want to take as a committee, with respect to. 700 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:13.560 Jonathan Deer: parking and transportation and a lot of this relates to Lou Pack and other committees and we obviously won't be weighing in on that. 701 01:08:14.610 --> 01:08:25.080 Jonathan Deer: But we want to at least get our ideas together and see what motions might be appropriate, and also whether we want to hold some joint meetings at some time with other committees and. 702 01:08:25.980 --> 01:08:31.710 Jonathan Deer: see where we want to have influence on the development of these documents so with that i'll turn it over to Robert. 703 01:08:33.360 --> 01:08:35.730 robertthibodeau: Okay, so. 704 01:08:37.140 --> 01:08:38.760 robertthibodeau: One second. 705 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:43.500 james murez: While he's looking for what he's looking for i've already looked at the. 706 01:08:45.510 --> 01:08:47.130 james murez: in lieu parking fee study. 707 01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:51.270 Jonathan Deer: Like say that I have not. 708 01:08:51.630 --> 01:08:58.350 james murez: Well, you guys definitely need to read it, because it is the commercial parking plan for the future. 709 01:09:00.540 --> 01:09:01.350 robertthibodeau: 2012. 710 01:09:02.010 --> 01:09:15.210 james murez: yeah it's on our website it's one of the one of the resource documents it's something that I had bill rosenthal developed as part of the West selling mobility transportation plan and it actually does address. 711 01:09:16.470 --> 01:09:21.300 james murez: How to do off site parking there were five cities that were study. 712 01:09:22.440 --> 01:09:37.110 james murez: And it talks about places like you know how Santa Monica has downtown lots and and how beverly hills has downtown lots and how that kind of a program can work and what the benefit would be towards towards you know, the future of. 713 01:09:38.580 --> 01:09:58.290 james murez: To scroll back up for one second 2035 mobility right there see that everybody plan 2035 so that document that i'm referring to is already included in here, and this is what they're supposed to be building out towards, and so, so what we have to do is, we have to try and figure out. 714 01:09:59.520 --> 01:10:08.520 james murez: How we're going to make that 2012 plan for commercial parking so there's no commercial there's no parking required for commercial projects okay. 715 01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:09.900 So. 716 01:10:12.960 --> 01:10:15.120 robertthibodeau: So i'm going to start the beginning here. 717 01:10:15.450 --> 01:10:15.870 robertthibodeau: and 718 01:10:16.170 --> 01:10:31.560 robertthibodeau: My plan my plan in introducing these two documents to our committee is that these documents are being rewritten and they're the basis for the sort of the planning and zoning that specific to Venice. 719 01:10:33.090 --> 01:10:45.510 robertthibodeau: The first document is the Community plan i'm not going to go through the whole thing because it's probably about 100 pages, but um and then the next one is the land use plan certified land use plan. 720 01:10:46.620 --> 01:10:53.670 robertthibodeau: Community plan is a broader document it talks about sort of overall goals and visions of Venice. 721 01:10:55.620 --> 01:10:56.490 robertthibodeau: and 722 01:10:58.020 --> 01:11:02.160 robertthibodeau: You know, most of it, most of it honestly can be skipped. 723 01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:06.990 robertthibodeau: But there are things that. 724 01:11:08.580 --> 01:11:25.230 robertthibodeau: That uh like you see right here, you know i've already i'm on page three and we're looking at lack of adequate parking usable blah blah blah blah blah, there are things in here that, since they originally wrote this Community plants and whatever 3040 years ago. 725 01:11:27.240 --> 01:11:28.650 robertthibodeau: We might feel differently now. 726 01:11:30.210 --> 01:11:35.760 robertthibodeau: And because of rewriting it again my suggestion is to as a group. 727 01:11:36.390 --> 01:11:42.600 robertthibodeau: come up with the things that we think are important in Venice, for instance i'm just going to throw one out there it's a personal one. 728 01:11:42.780 --> 01:11:52.500 robertthibodeau: So, Jim through one out he thinks there should be no commercial parking in the future because of whatever that's that's his angle and he's got his defensible reasons for that. 729 01:11:53.220 --> 01:12:13.170 robertthibodeau: For me, I think that one of the beauties of Venice is that it's a it's a walkable city so it's it's unusual in Los Angeles, and I think one of its main attractions, is that it's it's particularly walkable compared to other parts of Los Angeles, which is really a you know car oriented. 730 01:12:14.340 --> 01:12:28.830 robertthibodeau: A car oriented city Venice is sort of in enclave of walking in and to a lot of extent the street life and things that are particular to Venice and how we could reinforce that. 731 01:12:29.490 --> 01:12:42.900 robertthibodeau: Through the revised Community plan you know and i'm not by any means suggesting that you know we're going to throw out a plan, where it's a radical departure from the one we have, because I think it will largely be a. 732 01:12:44.040 --> 01:12:48.000 robertthibodeau: it'll be a revised version of the one we have now, but I think that. 733 01:12:49.020 --> 01:12:52.290 robertthibodeau: We could put together, you know, a couple of page. 734 01:12:54.780 --> 01:12:58.140 robertthibodeau: position piece after a meeting or two. 735 01:12:59.580 --> 01:13:01.380 robertthibodeau: And we can put together a couple page. 736 01:13:03.390 --> 01:13:10.620 robertthibodeau: position that would then be sent to the people who, at the planning department, who are in charge of. 737 01:13:12.960 --> 01:13:21.330 robertthibodeau: issuing the revised Community plan and i'm going to go one step further, the way I was thinking of doing this and i'm open to suggestions. 738 01:13:22.560 --> 01:13:29.130 robertthibodeau: Is that amongst the sort of five to six of us to seven of us, however, many are on this call. 739 01:13:30.030 --> 01:13:39.330 robertthibodeau: And really anybody else who wants to work on it i'd be glad to deputize we split this document up and we split it up so everybody takes say 30 pages. 740 01:13:39.810 --> 01:13:57.840 robertthibodeau: And writes down their sort of little list, then we come back together and another meeting and go look, is what I saw in this 30 pages and is what they were talking about sort of effects that the mobility to transportation, the parking in Venice and. 741 01:14:00.480 --> 01:14:01.650 robertthibodeau: And I think from there. 742 01:14:02.790 --> 01:14:07.140 robertthibodeau: That will lead to crafting a position piece, and you know. 743 01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:22.530 robertthibodeau: I don't know how many of you know a lot of people I talked to in Venice don't understand like where these rules on on you know anything from number of parking spaces to street widening to. 744 01:14:24.990 --> 01:14:25.470 robertthibodeau: You know. 745 01:14:26.970 --> 01:14:28.350 robertthibodeau: there's just a zillion of them. 746 01:14:30.060 --> 01:14:43.140 robertthibodeau: You know how you operate a restaurant, you know all of these things are sort of eventually get defined because of this stuff you know not not exactly one to one but sort of word seed, seed starts growing and. 747 01:14:44.220 --> 01:14:51.570 robertthibodeau: I know a lot of people aren't familiar with this, so I was just again taking it as an opportunity to share it with our comedian. 748 01:14:52.920 --> 01:14:53.730 robertthibodeau: And to that. 749 01:14:55.620 --> 01:15:03.810 robertthibodeau: I know the land use, people will be looking at the land use planning will be looking at this is regards to density and. 750 01:15:05.340 --> 01:15:15.840 robertthibodeau: And you know square footage is and things that are more built form, but I think that we should do our part and look into parking transportation mobility. 751 01:15:16.590 --> 01:15:26.250 robertthibodeau: streetscapes you know, certainly, you know streetscapes and stuff like that they're all important, and I think you should ever say so, otherwise just going to be decided for us. 752 01:15:28.410 --> 01:15:29.130 robertthibodeau: So with that. 753 01:15:29.490 --> 01:15:31.320 james murez: i'll second that but i'm not allowed to. 754 01:15:34.320 --> 01:15:39.600 Jonathan Deer: Miami does anyone else on the committee wanted discuss that or should we take a little public comment. 755 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:42.810 Selena Inouye: i'm actually this is selena. 756 01:15:44.370 --> 01:15:53.520 Selena Inouye: So the other thing we should be looking at actually is on the La planning website last year in July. 757 01:15:55.230 --> 01:16:01.770 Selena Inouye: DC P tcp have released their draft concepts for the update to the Venice Community plan. 758 01:16:02.010 --> 01:16:11.250 Selena Inouye: Yes, and I remember at that time I had spoken to a couple people in the department of city planning regarding their suggestions. 759 01:16:11.640 --> 01:16:33.930 Selena Inouye: And I just looked on the website and I don't think people are actually attached to this project anymore, but I know, for example in reviewing the draft concepts, I think there was a proposal for a bike lane, and there were some other mobility proposals. 760 01:16:35.100 --> 01:16:47.940 Selena Inouye: And so, while the old documents are helpful, I think we should actually be looking more at the DC P website to see their suggestions for how they want to change things. 761 01:16:48.480 --> 01:16:49.500 Selena Inouye: The other thing is. 762 01:16:50.160 --> 01:17:01.350 Selena Inouye: The other thing is i'm wondering if we're going to be going into another comment period with them soon, I thought it was already supposed to happen, but it hasn't. 763 01:17:02.010 --> 01:17:16.050 Selena Inouye: Because they were supposed to take all that feedback about the draft concepts and come back again with another proposal or finalization i'm not sure what they're actually doing a tcp, to be honest with you. 764 01:17:16.170 --> 01:17:18.210 james murez: Let me know, let me interrupt you, for one second. 765 01:17:18.300 --> 01:17:18.720 yeah. 766 01:17:19.830 --> 01:17:27.540 james murez: On the 14th of this month they're making a presentation to us at the land use committee. 767 01:17:28.590 --> 01:17:36.480 james murez: And and they're basically going there they've taken the concept boards and they're planning on making a presentation that's going to be talking about. 768 01:17:38.400 --> 01:17:41.340 Selena Inouye: Okay, great then i'll make sure to come. 769 01:17:41.700 --> 01:17:43.710 james murez: I will double check that. 770 01:17:44.670 --> 01:17:47.280 robertthibodeau: I have one little thing for you selena too is. 771 01:17:47.340 --> 01:17:50.760 robertthibodeau: I think the person is remained attached to it is. 772 01:17:51.810 --> 01:17:54.120 robertthibodeau: woman and tcp and lauren macpherson. 773 01:17:54.240 --> 01:17:56.010 james murez: she's the one making the presentation. 774 01:17:56.130 --> 01:17:56.520 and 775 01:17:57.660 --> 01:18:14.430 robertthibodeau: You are absolutely correct a couple of others who were attached to it, have sort of come and gone as far as I can see, because Jonathan her, she was in there and I think he's no longer no longer managing the process, I think he was for a while, but I know that Laura is still involved so. 776 01:18:15.930 --> 01:18:16.830 robertthibodeau: reach out to her. 777 01:18:17.220 --> 01:18:28.830 Selena Inouye: yeah i'm on the ACP website and it says that the staff contacts are now I will brown sienna coo and Eva Chang person. 778 01:18:30.900 --> 01:18:34.170 Selena Inouye: Or the three contacts and I don't recognize any of those names. 779 01:18:36.210 --> 01:18:38.340 robertthibodeau: I know CNN and know IRA quite well. 780 01:18:39.420 --> 01:18:40.530 james murez: yeah and and. 781 01:18:43.470 --> 01:18:48.570 james murez: The the date for Laura coming to loop back is. 782 01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:51.330 10 1412. 783 01:18:53.370 --> 01:19:06.210 Selena Inouye: Okay The other thing and i'll send this link to everyone, this would be for information only Lol do T has a website and on this website, they have mapped out. 784 01:19:06.930 --> 01:19:33.630 Selena Inouye: everything associated with mobility plan 2035 and this map shows things like neighborhood enhance networks bicycle enhance networks, etc, and I know that you're concerned about stepping on loop to loop X toes when it comes to discussing some of this stuff, but a lot of these. 785 01:19:35.130 --> 01:19:44.640 Selena Inouye: designations and mobility plan 2035 actually allow for more development, so I think, where we come in, is looking at what. 786 01:19:45.090 --> 01:19:57.090 Selena Inouye: they've decided they wanted to do with certain streets and commenting about whether or not those plans are realistic, so they have transit enhance networks bicycle paths network. 787 01:19:57.480 --> 01:20:11.940 Selena Inouye: A bicycle network neighborhood enhance network and BAT industry and enhance districts and i'll send you the link it's a map and interactive map and you can see what streets have designated for each of these different things. 788 01:20:14.520 --> 01:20:14.940 OK. 789 01:20:16.560 --> 01:20:29.550 Jonathan Deer: And then so Robert where does that leave us with these other resources in terms of wanting to review the old land use plan doing doing in your mind looking at some of this new stuff. 790 01:20:31.320 --> 01:20:44.610 robertthibodeau: I mean my thought is we look at all of it but um but maybe maybe selena is absolutely right and we look at the new dice, I think, eventually, the new docs will take the form of the old docs is My guess. 791 01:20:45.720 --> 01:20:46.050 robertthibodeau: But. 792 01:20:48.060 --> 01:20:51.150 james murez: The new docs don't have nearly as much information or detail. 793 01:20:51.180 --> 01:20:51.510 robertthibodeau: Now. 794 01:20:51.570 --> 01:20:53.400 james murez: The new docs are saying, like keeping. 795 01:20:53.430 --> 01:20:54.270 robertthibodeau: picture books. 796 01:20:54.360 --> 01:20:58.080 james murez: keep in mind that the document that you're looking at was never adopted by the coast. 797 01:21:00.900 --> 01:21:02.130 robertthibodeau: I think it was do. 798 01:21:02.550 --> 01:21:03.780 james murez: scroll back up to the top. 799 01:21:05.430 --> 01:21:07.710 robertthibodeau: The city Creator, this is going to hurt him. 800 01:21:07.860 --> 01:21:10.860 james murez: To city, the city created this on their own. 801 01:21:12.390 --> 01:21:17.610 james murez: And they released it on their own it never was adopted by the coastal Commission. 802 01:21:18.240 --> 01:21:19.470 robertthibodeau: The land use plan was. 803 01:21:19.740 --> 01:21:23.640 james murez: Good, but this is not the land use plan, we did this after the land use. 804 01:21:24.240 --> 01:21:24.660 james murez: gotcha. 805 01:21:25.020 --> 01:21:29.730 james murez: The prior to one prior to this was done in 1978 or seven. 806 01:21:29.730 --> 01:21:29.970 years. 807 01:21:31.170 --> 01:21:42.180 james murez: I have a copy of it it's a blue and white 10 page brochure that was done by the city and then they came out with this all on their own and they never involved the Community and creating this. 808 01:21:47.340 --> 01:21:47.760 Jonathan Deer: well. 809 01:21:48.360 --> 01:21:52.020 robertthibodeau: anyways you can see a lot of this stuff is transportation related here. 810 01:21:52.350 --> 01:21:57.570 robertthibodeau: yep I would take issue with a lot of this stuff because I would value neighborhood. 811 01:21:59.790 --> 01:22:09.240 robertthibodeau: sort of Community oriented stuff within the neighborhood over you know all of this is really written in a language that they want big busy streets and. 812 01:22:10.710 --> 01:22:13.230 robertthibodeau: I like the traffic slope personally in front of my house, but. 813 01:22:15.870 --> 01:22:20.610 james murez: And this doesn't even talk about to see in here and we don't want to. 814 01:22:20.610 --> 01:22:22.050 robertthibodeau: sit in yet didn't exist. 815 01:22:22.710 --> 01:22:33.360 james murez: We don't want to see coming down Main Street down Venice way down Venice boulevard keep it East the Lincoln it just doesn't scale to our Community, we don't want that kind of density credit. 816 01:22:33.780 --> 01:22:39.510 robertthibodeau: Well, I mean again, you know different people have different opinions about all this stuff. 817 01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:45.870 james murez: I got it but Robert we can get to the same level of housing, without having to go down that route. 818 01:22:48.270 --> 01:22:49.770 robertthibodeau: I think I think we're all going to have. 819 01:22:50.820 --> 01:22:51.510 robertthibodeau: varying. 820 01:22:52.650 --> 01:22:54.210 robertthibodeau: Yes, onions on on. 821 01:22:54.420 --> 01:22:59.070 robertthibodeau: On you know development stuff, but I think we're gonna have common ground is committee. 822 01:23:00.300 --> 01:23:00.720 robertthibodeau: and 823 01:23:02.010 --> 01:23:05.730 robertthibodeau: And I think we should we should take stab at it, I mean this is really why we're here and. 824 01:23:06.330 --> 01:23:22.470 robertthibodeau: I threw out the two documents that I thought were relevant I think selena's got a great point in hers and I think we just need to get together as a committee, and divvy up the work and start to form start to form position pieces on some of this stuff and you know again. 825 01:23:23.700 --> 01:23:31.560 robertthibodeau: I know there's a lot of debate on some of the stuff like the tlc right now, you know I hear the elite side of the argument, and then I hear you know the other sides of the argument. 826 01:23:33.030 --> 01:23:37.980 robertthibodeau: And I personally don't want to get in the middle of some of that stuff I want to. 827 01:23:40.890 --> 01:23:45.450 robertthibodeau: But maybe we will you know, maybe we will maybe that's where it ends up going but um. 828 01:23:46.590 --> 01:23:54.750 robertthibodeau: To me there's you know you know again might buy things walkable livable streets and that's what i'd like to see and. 829 01:23:56.070 --> 01:24:03.180 robertthibodeau: You know access access to the beach for sure for tourism, because that's you know that's who we are, you know but. 830 01:24:03.990 --> 01:24:13.260 robertthibodeau: I don't have for my kids yet, but I think we should be, we should be, we should be looking at this and I think we're almost a little bit negligent if we don't don't handle it in this term. 831 01:24:14.100 --> 01:24:18.810 Jonathan Deer: So so Robert How would you divide the workout so we can all get started. 832 01:24:21.570 --> 01:24:24.870 robertthibodeau: Well, first of all who's who's interested in working on this, you know we got. 833 01:24:25.860 --> 01:24:26.370 robertthibodeau: We got. 834 01:24:26.520 --> 01:24:28.260 robertthibodeau: In a I know I am Nick. 835 01:24:29.280 --> 01:24:29.610 yeah. 836 01:24:31.320 --> 01:24:31.830 robertthibodeau: Jim. 837 01:24:32.490 --> 01:24:35.370 robertthibodeau: yeah absolutely I know you're got a busy plate selena. 838 01:24:39.300 --> 01:24:39.870 robertthibodeau: you're muted. 839 01:24:40.260 --> 01:24:43.470 Selena Inouye: i'm sorry yes i'm definitely interested in this. 840 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:46.500 Jonathan Deer: lesson. 841 01:24:47.010 --> 01:24:48.150 alyson_wilson: Of course you guys. 842 01:24:48.510 --> 01:24:50.670 robertthibodeau: i'll senior sodium quiet I didn't even know you were there. 843 01:24:50.700 --> 01:24:51.240 alyson_wilson: i'm just. 844 01:24:51.870 --> 01:24:54.630 robertthibodeau: Taking it all in welcome back. 845 01:24:54.870 --> 01:24:56.850 james murez: and wait, we have a list of if maybe we can. 846 01:24:56.850 --> 01:24:57.810 james murez: recruit her in here. 847 01:24:58.110 --> 01:25:02.550 elizabeth Clay: yeah absolutely you you've got you've got me on board for that kind of help absolutely. 848 01:25:02.910 --> 01:25:07.350 robertthibodeau: So if we've got three documents and then what was that eight people who will, however, many people. 849 01:25:07.380 --> 01:25:09.780 james murez: Can we please wait what are three documents. 850 01:25:10.020 --> 01:25:17.730 robertthibodeau: Well selena pointed out that we've got a draft we have a draft for a Community plan we have an existing Community plan and we have an existing land use plan. 851 01:25:19.440 --> 01:25:23.310 Jonathan Deer: And the point is just to highlight issues and we might want to weigh in on. 852 01:25:23.370 --> 01:25:24.360 robertthibodeau: It exactly. 853 01:25:24.450 --> 01:25:24.840 Jonathan Deer: We don't want to. 854 01:25:24.930 --> 01:25:35.340 Jonathan Deer: spend too much time looking at the old documents, other than to help us point them out to the committee in terms of areas that we might want to weigh in on. 855 01:25:35.370 --> 01:25:43.020 robertthibodeau: So I have, I have read the draft the draft is very informal, so I do suspect that the draft when it sees its final. 856 01:25:43.830 --> 01:25:49.890 robertthibodeau: Light will look a lot more like the old Community plan and i'm if you want to move straight to the draft. 857 01:25:50.850 --> 01:26:00.990 robertthibodeau: Then, maybe that's a good place for you to live, maybe I stay in the old docs and look at the issues that are described there because I suspect there's going to be issues described there that aren't even. 858 01:26:02.400 --> 01:26:03.930 robertthibodeau: That aren't even addressed in the. 859 01:26:04.950 --> 01:26:05.580 robertthibodeau: In the. 860 01:26:06.840 --> 01:26:19.500 robertthibodeau: New thing and in the draft version, and I think that uh that um you know, we should feel free to bring our own stuff to the table to you know y'all do we feel like. 861 01:26:20.190 --> 01:26:29.370 robertthibodeau: You know the bike path that ocean for a walk should be extended to the end of the jedi we know I know it's crazy talk, no one wants to do that, but i'm. 862 01:26:29.790 --> 01:26:41.610 robertthibodeau: We should also feel free, I think, to think outside the box of what's been put in front of us informer documents and graphs if there is something maybe there is something out there, that was a monorail. 863 01:26:44.130 --> 01:26:44.550 robertthibodeau: joking. 864 01:26:49.170 --> 01:26:49.920 elizabeth Clay: Holding that in. 865 01:26:52.950 --> 01:27:05.070 james murez: there's a concept that I guess, I would like to think about while we're doing this and then i'm going to i'm going to suggest that the three documents you're referring to, and actually include the fourth one, which was the study I talked about. 866 01:27:07.530 --> 01:27:10.290 james murez: If if if everybody got an email that. 867 01:27:10.380 --> 01:27:12.900 james murez: That had a good coffee or more documents. 868 01:27:14.280 --> 01:27:14.790 james murez: either by. 869 01:27:15.000 --> 01:27:21.420 james murez: You or by attachment, I think that would be a good starting place so everybody would at least have a chance to start reading through them. 870 01:27:22.950 --> 01:27:24.690 james murez: The other thing that I want to think about. 871 01:27:26.100 --> 01:27:31.800 james murez: Is is the concept that we have a community. 872 01:27:33.420 --> 01:27:40.500 james murez: That Venice is a particular community of scale and character and we really want to have. 873 01:27:42.150 --> 01:27:49.950 james murez: A statement that addresses the solution in the form of a formula to mobility. 874 01:27:56.040 --> 01:27:56.910 robertthibodeau: So it makes me. 875 01:27:57.750 --> 01:27:58.410 robertthibodeau: kind of yeah. 876 01:27:59.430 --> 01:28:00.630 robertthibodeau: Moving forward so. 877 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:14.220 james murez: That that's just a very, very large concept that that there's actually a formula that says that the scale of the mobility. 878 01:28:16.110 --> 01:28:22.200 james murez: needs to be in step with the scale of the Community. 879 01:28:24.360 --> 01:28:32.640 james murez: And all of these things that we're looking at here, these issues every single one of them that's listed there, with the exception of inadequate beach parking. 880 01:28:33.660 --> 01:28:48.210 james murez: Is not in scale with our Community it's not what we're talking about we're not talking about more linkages between where we go shopping and where we're talking about walking we don't need transportation linkages, we need better sidewalks. 881 01:28:50.280 --> 01:29:01.650 james murez: i'm just saying you know the what's written here was 20 years old and it doesn't meet with the vision that Robert was just describing he likes a walkable Community why I agree. 882 01:29:02.460 --> 01:29:05.100 robertthibodeau: So that's that's I mean we're saying the same thing in different. 883 01:29:05.100 --> 01:29:07.290 james murez: Ways it's the same thing, but we need to come up. 884 01:29:07.290 --> 01:29:11.520 james murez: With it in the in the sense of something that will last in perpetuity. 885 01:29:12.750 --> 01:29:18.150 robertthibodeau: So how do we want to split up work and what are we what's what's the homework and. 886 01:29:18.450 --> 01:29:20.820 james murez: Send send out the for documents. 887 01:29:22.620 --> 01:29:24.960 james murez: In either a link or I think. 888 01:29:24.960 --> 01:29:35.520 james murez: Probably the best link to them, they should all be resource files on the parking and transportation website and then just send out the links to those resource files. 889 01:29:35.550 --> 01:29:37.440 Jonathan Deer: yeah, let me make a suggestion. 890 01:29:38.730 --> 01:29:45.780 Jonathan Deer: All along the lines that Robert talked about at the beginning and meeting Robert when you send those out why don't you just divide. 891 01:29:47.250 --> 01:29:49.290 Jonathan Deer: To anybody it doesn't matter who gets one. 892 01:29:50.700 --> 01:29:55.170 Jonathan Deer: And, but that should not limit anybody from looking at the whole thing to the degree, they want to, but just. 893 01:29:56.190 --> 01:29:56.790 Jonathan Deer: assign. 894 01:29:56.820 --> 01:29:58.350 Jonathan Deer: Responsibility so that. 895 01:29:58.410 --> 01:30:00.600 Jonathan Deer: When we come back next month. 896 01:30:01.680 --> 01:30:10.470 Jonathan Deer: We know that at least people at least looked at certain sections of it and can just point out to us areas of interests that we're going to want to talk about. 897 01:30:10.770 --> 01:30:16.350 robertthibodeau: Okay that's fair and yeah I think it makes it a more manageable, I mean I was only doing that not. 898 01:30:17.250 --> 01:30:33.030 robertthibodeau: Not to segregate things but just to make the workload more manageable, because if someone tells me, I have to read 40 pages versus 240 pages and make notes on it 40 is doable to 40 that may not get done right now, you know so. 899 01:30:34.110 --> 01:30:38.700 Jonathan Deer: yeah and I would encourage everyone to look at anything they want to look at in this regard and. 900 01:30:38.790 --> 01:30:47.220 Jonathan Deer: and bring it back to us, but they don't know give us a you know, a minimum commitment from each of us to come back with something. 901 01:30:47.520 --> 01:30:57.240 james murez: But as we look through it let's try to focus on the parking and transportation issues, because if you're one of the documents you're sending out is the land use plan. 902 01:30:57.570 --> 01:31:09.330 james murez: yeah and that one is primarily designed to address private property and and there's I think there's only one page in the very back of it that even talks about. 903 01:31:10.080 --> 01:31:22.950 james murez: The the role of of the department of public works which would be the streets and and services on those streets like street lighting and you know street furniture and. 904 01:31:23.490 --> 01:31:37.320 james murez: And, and you know things like bike lanes and things like that, so I think it's the very last page of the entire land use plan and it's only one page long and that's how much they have completely avoided doing anything about it. 905 01:31:38.250 --> 01:31:42.720 robertthibodeau: Ladies plan does does have some important stuff in it don't mean the land use plan. 906 01:31:43.590 --> 01:31:45.630 james murez: yeah it has the parking table it. 907 01:31:45.630 --> 01:31:48.090 robertthibodeau: Has the parking parking tables in it as. 908 01:31:49.290 --> 01:31:53.730 robertthibodeau: Definition definitions of when you need to get coastal permits based on. 909 01:31:54.750 --> 01:31:57.090 robertthibodeau: certain kind of very abstract things in the in. 910 01:31:58.200 --> 01:32:00.120 robertthibodeau: Working table sauce chips charts. 911 01:32:00.300 --> 01:32:02.880 james murez: But a lot of that stuff is going to go away. 912 01:32:05.940 --> 01:32:07.290 robertthibodeau: So you're claiming but I. 913 01:32:07.320 --> 01:32:11.460 james murez: Know wait a second if if if the coastal Commission gets their way. 914 01:32:11.910 --> 01:32:14.160 james murez: they're not going to be involved in the process anymore. 915 01:32:15.420 --> 01:32:19.860 robertthibodeau: Oh, oh you think the coastal Commission is going to move backwards. 916 01:32:20.220 --> 01:32:23.490 robertthibodeau: knows i've never seen a coastal Commission, I think. 917 01:32:25.590 --> 01:32:35.220 james murez: What the coastal Commission has said and made very clear, and the reason that they gave the city $5 million to work on these plans was because. 918 01:32:36.150 --> 01:32:50.730 james murez: They want to get out of the permitting process in in Venice in the city of Los Angeles San Pedro and the palisades and so they're saying that if you create a land use plan and you create a land implementation plan, and you have a Community plan. 919 01:32:51.600 --> 01:32:51.870 robertthibodeau: With and. 920 01:32:52.260 --> 01:32:53.310 james murez: it's been documented. 921 01:32:54.300 --> 01:32:58.320 james murez: And there are no longer any of these discretionary projects. 922 01:33:07.950 --> 01:33:08.430 robertthibodeau: So. 923 01:33:08.700 --> 01:33:21.000 james murez: Once the discretionary project is gone appealing to the coastal Commission doesn't exist anymore, because it's already all been laid out in the matrix of the values of that have been written into the documents. 924 01:33:22.080 --> 01:33:34.800 robertthibodeau: yeah I could kind of I agree with Jim I mean I could explain this stuff more to people like what the implications are and and and why the system is a little you know Byzantine right now. 925 01:33:37.110 --> 01:33:44.460 robertthibodeau: And it'll definitely come up because something i'm going to bring up, if you will get you got two minutes of pointed out like right now. 926 01:33:44.880 --> 01:33:56.220 james murez: Robert in the land in the land use plan that's really the parking and transportation, the parking your transportation stuff is is the parking tables the beach impact zone, if you wanted to include trip traffic, you could include that. 927 01:33:56.250 --> 01:33:56.610 yep. 928 01:33:57.990 --> 01:34:13.800 james murez: And then, what and then the one page about the department of public works and then there's a probably I mean I think it's like an 80 or 90 page document after you get through those four or five six pages of parking and transportation stuff the rest of it's all about private property. 929 01:34:15.060 --> 01:34:35.730 james murez: To something I would just say read the private property part stuff after you look at the mobility transportation plan for in lieu parking because that's a huge piece of why the land use plan always wins over the specific plan when it comes to in lieu parking. 930 01:34:38.730 --> 01:34:39.570 robertthibodeau: Because okay. 931 01:34:39.780 --> 01:34:40.170 james murez: That that's. 932 01:34:40.590 --> 01:34:43.020 robertthibodeau: So there's a there's a lot there's a lot of stuff I don't want to. 933 01:34:43.020 --> 01:34:44.340 robertthibodeau: Talk about in the right now. 934 01:34:44.640 --> 01:34:45.180 james murez: Okay, so. 935 01:34:45.240 --> 01:34:57.060 robertthibodeau: there's a lot of there's a lot of Sub issues here and and i'm afraid we're going to if we go too deep into the weeds again we're going to kind of lose lose interest all of these things are valid things that can be looked at. 936 01:34:57.810 --> 01:35:03.210 robertthibodeau: I do have a fair amount of experience with some of this stuff just from being a user and. 937 01:35:04.560 --> 01:35:17.640 robertthibodeau: And you know, again I think people will actually find it interesting when when they get into it, one thing is to add things like the mobility plan if we're silent so. 938 01:35:18.330 --> 01:35:29.430 robertthibodeau: The mobility plan, and here I am going into the weeds the mobility plan defines like how wide is street needs to be and how wide the sidewalk needs to be in it defines it on a city wide basis to city. 939 01:35:30.030 --> 01:35:38.010 robertthibodeau: implemented this city wide it's a tricky little bit of a tricky thing when you start to get into sort of idiosyncratic areas like Venice. 940 01:35:38.700 --> 01:35:49.230 robertthibodeau: Because we don't fit the mold like we're not like van is where you have big streets already, and you have like sidewalks already so we don't really fit the mold and we have small lots as well. 941 01:35:50.040 --> 01:35:59.490 robertthibodeau: And one could argue that are narrow sidewalks and our narrow slow streets are part of the character of Venice, one could argue that. 942 01:36:00.900 --> 01:36:09.030 robertthibodeau: Right now, because our our land use plan in our Community planner silent on this issue, because it came up before the mobility plan. 943 01:36:09.450 --> 01:36:28.770 robertthibodeau: The ability plan takes precedence over anything that we would want because we are silent on it, so we get enforced for for sort of traffic St lightning type things the same way, you would in areas where space is not so confined and. 944 01:36:30.480 --> 01:36:37.410 robertthibodeau: And you know, again, this is a point of discussion that I would like to have with you guys because, and I think we have had it actually in the past. 945 01:36:38.250 --> 01:36:40.890 james murez: yeah I was just gonna say that you know we passed emotion in the. 946 01:36:40.890 --> 01:36:50.700 james murez: last term they talked about 90% of the streets currently in Venice under the 2035 mobility transportation plan have to be wiping. 947 01:36:51.900 --> 01:36:52.950 james murez: 90% of. 948 01:36:52.950 --> 01:36:55.560 james murez: yeah nice I say i'm surprised it's only. 949 01:36:55.560 --> 01:36:56.340 robertthibodeau: 90%. 950 01:36:56.400 --> 01:36:57.900 james murez: You know it's night it's 90. 951 01:36:58.080 --> 01:37:09.840 james murez: We you know we we looked at that, in the last and we passed emotion in the board approved it so that right there is already something that we could include, in whatever kind of a proposal there's a whole bunch of those that we already looked at. 952 01:37:10.170 --> 01:37:20.460 robertthibodeau: So so where I was going was if we are silent on issues, then the city will decide the issues for us not that that's one thing that happens with the mobility plan right now. 953 01:37:20.670 --> 01:37:21.360 robertthibodeau: you're under. 954 01:37:22.260 --> 01:37:23.550 robertthibodeau: You know and. 955 01:37:24.810 --> 01:37:26.670 robertthibodeau: anyways I don't want to belabor this. 956 01:37:26.910 --> 01:37:31.260 Jonathan Deer: So so so Robert you'll know debbie this stuff up. 957 01:37:31.260 --> 01:37:35.850 robertthibodeau: i'm going to give you this stuff up i'll probably talk i'll talk to you john will give you the stuff together. 958 01:37:35.850 --> 01:37:36.720 Jonathan Deer: And i'll work with it. 959 01:37:37.020 --> 01:37:42.000 Jonathan Deer: yeah and and I will shoot that out this week so everybody has plenty of time with. 960 01:37:42.030 --> 01:37:44.700 robertthibodeau: with links to the resources that go out this week for sure. 961 01:37:46.080 --> 01:37:51.090 james murez: Okay, and then I think i'm going to try and go back and see some of the things that we passed in the last. 962 01:37:51.720 --> 01:37:59.190 james murez: term which of those we want to bring forward again because I know there were several of these things that they talked about. 963 01:38:01.050 --> 01:38:06.900 james murez: You know some of the things that they were proposing when we first saw the the the planning departments proposals. 964 01:38:07.230 --> 01:38:12.720 Jonathan Deer: Right, that would be great actually, that would be real real very useful. 965 01:38:13.170 --> 01:38:17.370 james murez: And they've already been approved by the board so it's not like, we have to do anything other than just forward them. 966 01:38:19.380 --> 01:38:20.850 robertthibodeau: mmm sounds good. 967 01:38:24.540 --> 01:38:24.960 Jonathan Deer: Okay. 968 01:38:26.760 --> 01:38:28.350 robertthibodeau: I need to send out a text real quick. 969 01:38:29.910 --> 01:38:31.530 james murez: With the next item on the agenda. 970 01:38:31.530 --> 01:38:36.210 Jonathan Deer: And okay so let's so let's take a look Okay, so any taken away and that was. 971 01:38:36.570 --> 01:38:37.410 robertthibodeau: That was last one. 972 01:38:37.590 --> 01:38:39.660 Jonathan Deer: last item yes. 973 01:38:41.760 --> 01:38:46.950 elizabeth Clay: hey guys, I just wanted to mention that, for me, this is a little bit like Groundhog day because. 974 01:38:48.180 --> 01:39:03.330 elizabeth Clay: Vancouver went through all the same issues landlocked city and our mayor got it was was really into green transportation, he was an avid cyclist so he put in a lot of cycling routes. 975 01:39:05.190 --> 01:39:16.830 elizabeth Clay: And they I was, I was embroiled in all that politics back in the day, through the board of economic development and they leaned heavily on Seattle as kind of their sister city. 976 01:39:17.670 --> 01:39:35.670 elizabeth Clay: And they really didn't reinvent the wheel they used a lot of the planners information from from Seattle, who was in Seattle planners are really open to sharing their parking was how they reconcile that for any of you who have any of you been to Seattle, you know about. 977 01:39:37.980 --> 01:39:47.130 elizabeth Clay: Pike market all that areas close to traffic and now they've closed their viaduct they've torn down the viaduct across the city which is. 978 01:39:47.700 --> 01:39:50.850 elizabeth Clay: Probably would would have been considered impossible a decade ago. 979 01:39:51.270 --> 01:40:01.350 elizabeth Clay: And they've managed to make their city walkable and friendly and everything there that Robert saying you know you don't want faster traffic lot slower traffic and everything you're saying Jim that. 980 01:40:01.740 --> 01:40:11.730 elizabeth Clay: You can have density and you can still figure out commuter transportation and so on Seattle really has done a beautiful job of balancing all of that so. 981 01:40:12.390 --> 01:40:21.330 elizabeth Clay: For those of you want some of those questions answered, especially about scale, and I would I would reach out to cities that have spent millions already on it. 982 01:40:22.020 --> 01:40:34.020 elizabeth Clay: And are very open to sharing what they've done they did a video to a number of years ago which, and I use that video to help close down a corridor in an area outside of mission was a dying downtown. 983 01:40:34.590 --> 01:40:43.950 elizabeth Clay: And they were creating a bypass around that downtown core, which is just going to utterly kill it so we managed to convince the city. 984 01:40:45.150 --> 01:40:47.910 elizabeth Clay: Using that that video and other data. 985 01:40:49.380 --> 01:40:55.020 elizabeth Clay: that it was a good idea to close the Main Street, which was actually decreased a highway at the time. 986 01:40:56.040 --> 01:40:56.700 elizabeth Clay: So. 987 01:40:57.960 --> 01:41:01.530 elizabeth Clay: It can be done, then there are other resources to pull from. 988 01:41:03.360 --> 01:41:03.960 elizabeth Clay: just saying. 989 01:41:04.260 --> 01:41:11.820 robertthibodeau: If you know i'm i'm like a plan or something you know i'd be i'd be interviewing it if you. 990 01:41:11.850 --> 01:41:13.140 robertthibodeau: found a link yeah something. 991 01:41:13.440 --> 01:41:15.450 elizabeth Clay: i'll do some digging i'll see if I can. 992 01:41:16.020 --> 01:41:21.780 elizabeth Clay: If I can find some of the old connections sure, a lot of them have moved on, but maybe someone's still there. 993 01:41:23.640 --> 01:41:24.030 robertthibodeau: Okay. 994 01:41:25.050 --> 01:41:26.610 robertthibodeau: So should we call this meeting. 995 01:41:29.370 --> 01:41:33.060 Jonathan Deer: yeah comments on items, not on the agenda for consideration. 996 01:41:35.130 --> 01:41:39.630 Jonathan Deer: Does anybody have any comments on items, not on the agenda for consideration. 997 01:41:40.560 --> 01:41:52.980 Selena Inouye: This is selena just I know there's an email that went out about this, but it looks like the next round of public meetings regarding the supposed to transit quarter or project. 998 01:41:53.310 --> 01:42:08.070 Selena Inouye: Which is the discussion about either a monorail or a subway going through the support of the past that would connect to the valley to La X, I believe the next meeting is October 26. 999 01:42:09.270 --> 01:42:17.490 Selena Inouye: And I think I know I will be there and participate in that and can report back on it, but I would encourage others to do the same. 1000 01:42:17.970 --> 01:42:41.010 Selena Inouye: they're still discussion about the route that that project is going to take it could go down suppose it could go down overland it could go down bendy Center Bella so I don't know that they've made a decision yet, but if you're interested or concern, please participate. 1001 01:42:42.810 --> 01:42:43.020 james murez: On. 1002 01:42:43.110 --> 01:42:46.110 james murez: October 26 at 11am 11:30am. 1003 01:42:47.220 --> 01:42:51.360 Selena Inouye: I think it's a lunch meeting i'm hoping they're going to have others as well. 1004 01:42:52.290 --> 01:42:54.330 james murez: yeah OK so maybe what i'll do is i'll actually. 1005 01:42:54.510 --> 01:42:55.530 Nick Antonicello: forward that. 1006 01:42:55.590 --> 01:43:00.480 james murez: message to the rest of the board, because I don't think most of the people on the. 1007 01:43:02.130 --> 01:43:05.250 james murez: dnc are probably not interested, but at least they'll be notified. 1008 01:43:07.710 --> 01:43:16.920 robertthibodeau: There was another thing too if you're done selena that was not on the agenda that you forwarded to us today was brought up briefly, I think, at the last meeting. 1009 01:43:18.630 --> 01:43:19.770 robertthibodeau: And i'll put it on here it's. 1010 01:43:20.940 --> 01:43:33.660 robertthibodeau: it's for the bus furniture so they're calling it a transit amenities program staff and i'll pass a password Jim said out around and. 1011 01:43:34.620 --> 01:43:44.670 robertthibodeau: I guess my suggestion, there would be week contact somebody and ask them to speak at our next meeting and give us a little presentation on what they're doing for bus benches these days. 1012 01:43:46.290 --> 01:43:51.420 robertthibodeau: And then I guess my concern would be that they don't become sleeping zones, but that's me. 1013 01:43:56.100 --> 01:44:05.700 Selena Inouye: yeah at at the mobility and transportation committee we did have people from stop that came in did a presentation for us. 1014 01:44:06.240 --> 01:44:24.810 Selena Inouye: A couple of months ago, I think the hot topic with, that is, they wanted to put in digital billboards at bus shelters and that's been raising a lot of concerns, let me see do you want me to try to see if I can get a speaker to come and talk about it. 1015 01:44:25.530 --> 01:44:40.770 robertthibodeau: There is an email, there is a person to email regarding this is a Norman Monday and it's Norman the way you would think it was spelled dot Monday am UN D y at La city.org and he appears to be the contact person for this. 1016 01:44:41.460 --> 01:44:44.790 Selena Inouye: Okay, well, let me know if you need any help the. 1017 01:44:45.090 --> 01:44:45.870 robertthibodeau: love it if you would. 1018 01:44:45.960 --> 01:44:48.660 robertthibodeau: I would love it if you would contact him and asked him to speak with us. 1019 01:44:49.230 --> 01:45:01.770 Selena Inouye: Okay um What I do know is that the current contract for this is up and in December and so there's a big push to get a new contractor in place by the end of the year. 1020 01:45:03.270 --> 01:45:10.740 Selena Inouye: So and that's causing some concerns, I know other neighbor Councils would like there to be more time and attention. 1021 01:45:11.940 --> 01:45:13.980 Selena Inouye: placed on this right. 1022 01:45:15.510 --> 01:45:15.870 Right. 1023 01:45:17.220 --> 01:45:21.840 robertthibodeau: um so maybe we can get them to speak and see you see what's going on. 1024 01:45:23.640 --> 01:45:24.300 Selena Inouye: Okay well. 1025 01:45:25.800 --> 01:45:26.850 robertthibodeau: Anything else guys. 1026 01:45:27.630 --> 01:45:33.300 james murez: yeah you know was there also something that I sent you just recently about sidewalks. 1027 01:45:34.710 --> 01:45:39.030 james murez: Is from the Bureau of engineering, I think I took a picture of two pages. 1028 01:45:39.420 --> 01:45:42.900 robertthibodeau: That was the staff transit amenity program that was this. 1029 01:45:43.290 --> 01:45:48.300 robertthibodeau: Okay, this was your this was your to two pages picture that's why it's a great print. 1030 01:45:48.540 --> 01:45:51.750 james murez: yeah okay just wanted to make sure that okay. 1031 01:45:52.320 --> 01:45:53.730 robertthibodeau: I think that's about. 1032 01:45:55.740 --> 01:45:58.560 james murez: It sort of forgot what it was I just knew I had done it and and. 1033 01:45:58.590 --> 01:46:00.420 robertthibodeau: yeah you did you're good about that. 1034 01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:01.200 um. 1035 01:46:03.120 --> 01:46:05.490 james murez: And I assume that you want to see those things as they come in. 1036 01:46:07.590 --> 01:46:08.550 robertthibodeau: I would like to see them. 1037 01:46:08.910 --> 01:46:10.110 robertthibodeau: super super useful. 1038 01:46:10.410 --> 01:46:20.940 james murez: Okay yeah cuz I have to go through the mail so i'm sort of weeding out, you know who goes what goes to loot Pack and what goes to you guys and their stuff on homeless. 1039 01:46:22.530 --> 01:46:24.780 robertthibodeau: Right um, can I ask. 1040 01:46:27.630 --> 01:46:31.140 robertthibodeau: Just sort of a general sort of neighborhood Council question Jim. 1041 01:46:31.470 --> 01:46:32.190 robertthibodeau: Go is. 1042 01:46:34.680 --> 01:46:54.330 robertthibodeau: I sort of think that we should, as a group again it's back to the last big one, we talked about move forwards with sort of position piece on some of these transportation related things in the Community plan and land use plan, but i'm, there is the also the land use planning committee. 1043 01:46:55.350 --> 01:47:10.830 robertthibodeau: I personally view our territory is sort of anything outside you know the last line, so to speak, and then even within the lot lines, possibly dovetailing on some some things like parking requirements or access points and things like that. 1044 01:47:12.210 --> 01:47:23.340 robertthibodeau: Because they seem more like parking transportation oriented, I have not reached out to La upc to tell them we're going to be doing this, is that a foe Paul is Should I be. 1045 01:47:23.430 --> 01:47:23.970 robertthibodeau: I. 1046 01:47:24.210 --> 01:47:24.540 james murez: I just. 1047 01:47:24.810 --> 01:47:27.660 robertthibodeau: A little trouble sometimes they're so dramatic over there. 1048 01:47:27.810 --> 01:47:29.190 james murez: yeah i'm not dramatic. 1049 01:47:29.670 --> 01:47:30.810 robertthibodeau: As want to get stuff done. 1050 01:47:31.290 --> 01:47:34.950 james murez: yeah at this point, I think you're going down a find path. 1051 01:47:35.280 --> 01:47:36.990 robertthibodeau: yeah thank. 1052 01:47:39.150 --> 01:47:41.880 james murez: You Robert the video of this meeting is going to be posted. 1053 01:47:43.980 --> 01:47:50.220 james murez: i'll leaks, made a a tentative schedule for her reviewing the land use plan. 1054 01:47:50.370 --> 01:47:56.010 james murez: Okay he's already missed the first three meetings, she she's cancelled them are just blowing them off. 1055 01:47:56.610 --> 01:47:58.470 robertthibodeau: And I love all those guys to. 1056 01:47:58.470 --> 01:48:00.840 robertthibodeau: Death but it's just it's a it's. 1057 01:48:00.900 --> 01:48:01.320 james murez: It is. 1058 01:48:01.980 --> 01:48:03.960 robertthibodeau: draw it's so drama heavy over there, I. 1059 01:48:03.960 --> 01:48:05.280 robertthibodeau: still want to get into drama. 1060 01:48:05.460 --> 01:48:09.060 james murez: yeah it's just it's just not happening, I hear you. 1061 01:48:09.330 --> 01:48:10.200 james murez: One of the time. 1062 01:48:10.290 --> 01:48:12.600 robertthibodeau: Let me just make it when the time comes, it comes. 1063 01:48:14.160 --> 01:48:21.510 james murez: times when the time comes, that you cross the property line and you start to step on to the private property and you want to talk about. 1064 01:48:22.080 --> 01:48:33.150 james murez: Changing commercial parking requirements, you can come up with a plan you want to talk about residential parking requirements, you can come up with a plan you can say you know in our belief, this is what works. 1065 01:48:33.210 --> 01:48:46.740 james murez: You can you can make the recommendation, but before it comes to the board, it needs to go through some sort of a joint meeting with Lou pack because it's on the private side of the property. 1066 01:48:47.640 --> 01:49:04.800 james murez: yeah so so at that point, we would schedule those items and and just go through them one after the next, I think that that's how it has to happen because it's their responsibility for the private property it's your responsibility for the public property. 1067 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:12.210 robertthibodeau: So Okay, I mean i'm fine with whatever I just thought we'd get like a running start before we get bogged down with them. 1068 01:49:12.480 --> 01:49:18.480 james murez: You know, it was supposed to happen for the last two years, that that loop back was supposed to be working on it. 1069 01:49:18.600 --> 01:49:19.680 robertthibodeau: that's what i'm saying to. 1070 01:49:19.740 --> 01:49:21.540 james murez: They never picked up the document. 1071 01:49:21.750 --> 01:49:38.520 james murez: know and and you know we worked on it in parking and transportation and came up with many revisions, that we want to see put into the the new plan yeah yeah and we're already way ahead in parking and transportation from Lou Pack. 1072 01:49:38.880 --> 01:49:42.270 robertthibodeau: So yeah I miss us you miss us don't you I can sense it too. 1073 01:49:42.480 --> 01:49:43.560 james murez: Well yeah I mean you know. 1074 01:49:44.580 --> 01:49:47.550 james murez: we're doing great work we there's no question about it. 1075 01:49:47.940 --> 01:49:49.680 robertthibodeau: Still we're still gonna do great work. 1076 01:49:50.610 --> 01:49:56.460 james murez: You know, we got we got more emotions passed by the board than anybody else yeah, and that includes Lou Pack. 1077 01:49:57.030 --> 01:50:00.510 robertthibodeau: So let's that so i'll say good night call this meeting, I think. 1078 01:50:00.810 --> 01:50:01.290 Jonathan Deer: Okay, I. 1079 01:50:01.680 --> 01:50:02.970 robertthibodeau: want to make a motion or. 1080 01:50:03.060 --> 01:50:03.690 robertthibodeau: How do we do that. 1081 01:50:03.720 --> 01:50:06.030 james murez: You don't you don't need to make a motion to adjourn you can. 1082 01:50:06.030 --> 01:50:07.920 Nick Antonicello: just anyone yeah. 1083 01:50:08.160 --> 01:50:08.700 robertthibodeau: i'll second. 1084 01:50:09.090 --> 01:50:09.750 Nick Antonicello: To exam. 1085 01:50:10.380 --> 01:50:12.030 robertthibodeau: Okay, have a good night everybody. 1086 01:50:12.180 --> 01:50:12.780 james murez: Thank you, night. 1087 01:50:14.250 --> 01:50:14.880 elizabeth Clay: night. 1088 01:50:16.650 --> 01:50:17.130 Jonathan Deer: night. 1089 01:50:19.230 --> 01:50:20.790 james murez: Night night.