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james murez: Now.

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james murez: let's bring you in.

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james murez: All of our.

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james murez: mode.

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james murez: So how familiar, are you with the can you hear me.

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james murez: All right, I can, can you hear me I.

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Oliver Fries: can hear you I can hear you.

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james murez: I don't know why you can't hear me.

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Oliver Fries: I can hear you.

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james murez: You can hear me but I can't hear you Maybe my volume down now my volumes up.

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james murez: No, no, I can hear you.

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Oliver Fries: yeah they can you hear me.

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james murez: yeah the mute mute on my phone I mean on my laptop was.

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james murez: um.

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james murez: So Are you familiar with zoom.

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Oliver Fries: I mean yeah I haven't run a meeting like you guys have but.

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james murez: i've alright, so what i'm going to do right now.

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james murez: yeah we have a couple of two seconds before the meeting supposed to start the first thing I need to do is promote you to a Co host.

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james murez: Okay, and that just happened.

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james murez: Perfect so now what happens is, if you go down to the bottom of your screen you see something that says.

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james murez: participants.

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james murez: Yes, and the number just jumped to five so click on participants is the next thing to do.

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Oliver Fries: got it.

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james murez: And now you see there's two columns are two tabs at the top ones panelists the others attendees you can click on the attendees tab you'll see that cj Cole Elizabeth right and Ivan are all present.

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james murez: And how what you do is you hover over the top of one of them.

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james murez: And where it says more because they're on your committee, you click on the more and then it says, promote two panelists you click on that.

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Oliver Fries: Should I do that, right now, or just when the meetings.

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james murez: yeah, no, no, it was that way they all they'll all be on screen and be able to communicate as part of your committee.

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james murez: Okay, now, you only do that with the committee members, you don't do that with the non committee members.

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james murez: Okay, by the way this is.

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james murez: Just for the be perfectly clear, this is being recorded right now.

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Oliver Fries: So, should I let them in right now.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: All right, all three are should be in.

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Oliver Fries: There we go there i'll trickling in.

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james murez: You have to do them all one, at a time.

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james murez: there's two.

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Oliver Fries: There we go.

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james murez: there's three.

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Oliver Fries: Perfect okay that's easy.

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james murez: I think you're still missing a couple more members.

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Oliver Fries: My attendee list is blank so it's.

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james murez: yeah no I agree minus two but i'm saying, for your committee.

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james murez: For committee purposes, you have a committee, I think of.

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Oliver Fries: it's it's nine, including us, so we need will need five right.

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james murez: yeah you need five.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, we should get there.

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Oliver Fries: yeah we have five now.

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Oliver Fries: you're not included, are you are, you are.

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james murez: If i'm on the list i'm included.

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Oliver Fries: So yeah we've got five i'm going to shut this curtain behind me because it's little heart.

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james murez: Now I see Helen fallon just arrived at the meeting.

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james murez: And I guess i'm curious to know if Helen fallon is a member, I don't sort of didn't think she was but.

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Oliver Fries: say that one more time.

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james murez: Is Helen fallon I see she's now an attendee is she part of your committee.

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Oliver Fries: She is not.

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james murez: So she'll just stay in the attendees as as the general public.

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james murez: And when the item comes up for.

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james murez: Public comments of items, not on the agenda, or when there's an item that a vote gets taken on.

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james murez: Before the vote, but after the opening presentation of the item you'll then have an opportunity to call on.

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james murez: Public comment on the item on the agenda and they're not allowed to make public comment on items that are not the item that you're talking to so it's only in reference to that one item.

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Oliver Fries: Right so it's public comment and it's committee comment, and then we vote correct, just like.

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james murez: Correct yes that's the correct format.

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james murez: And there's my reminder to tell me that zoom is trying to have me start a meeting for you sorry I.

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Oliver Fries: didn't indicate here, and I should have asked you about this it's public comments one minute on non agenda items what How long are we giving them and I shouldn't, I guess, should we give them a minute on agenda as items as well.

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james murez: So it really depends on how busy I see george's here I.

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Oliver Fries: Think 1130.

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Oliver Fries: We have 30 seconds indicated here and the rule of the Rules.

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james murez: On the show it's really up to you you're the Chair of the of the yeti if you want to extend it for more than 30 seconds, you can I think 30 seconds is too short personally on the board i'm allowing everyone a minute i'm on agenda items and on non agenda items even give them two minutes.

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Oliver Fries: Okay george's way Okay, we need to promote a few more people here.

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james murez: yeah you need to promote George I don't think.

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james murez: rabbi puppet I don't believe, so I think that's a he's one of the characters that likes to join our meetings.

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james murez: Okay, and he has his hand up to speak but he's got to wait until the meeting starts hi George hey George.

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Oliver Fries: Jim.

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james murez: Yes.

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Oliver Fries: Do we the virtual board meeting rules do I need to read those over is it assume people read the agenda if they're attending the meeting.

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james murez: So, assuming that people read the agenda they're coming to the meeting okay that's what I thought, if you have any issue comes up.

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james murez: And somebody is not clear if they're challenging you on something that's part of the of the rules, then you can go back and say well you know, it was the field was shown there and the rules.

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james murez: You can read them or I can read them to you, but but it's very clear you're not allowed to be doing what you're doing.

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james murez: So you know you don't need to waste the time on doing it everybody's seen them and they are it is public information so.

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james murez: yep looks like Nick just arrived.

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Oliver Fries: Okay i'll let him.

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james murez: So now you have seven out of nine who's no daffodils still missing she going to come.

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Oliver Fries: Yes, she'll be attending.

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Oliver Fries: So we have everyone except.

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james murez: Is it nine or eight.

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Oliver Fries: Nine including you and me.

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james murez: So who's the other person that's missing.

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Oliver Fries: And we have john reed missing.

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james murez: Oh yeah.

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james murez: I will text him as well.

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james murez: she's on there, she is okay.

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Daffodil Tyminski: hi guys.

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james murez: So we're only missing john reed and I just texted him as well.

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Oliver Fries: Jim let me know what he says and.

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james murez: yeah he just sent back a question mark i'm gonna call him.

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Daffodil Tyminski: say he would be available if we needed him, but he didn't want to go to.

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james murez: Meetings yeah.

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james murez: yeah locker room.

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Oliver Fries: yeah he did say that so.

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james murez: I want to take him off the roster that, but let me just ask him.

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james murez: So should we assume that he doesn't want to participate in meetings.

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Oliver Fries: yeah he said.

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Oliver Fries: He would come on if we needed him or we.

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james murez: assume somebody has a question just.

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james murez: Have him call or text me.

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Oliver Fries: I see it, sorry, I think.

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james murez: we're starting the meeting without him.

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james murez: yeah it's a rules it's the committee that he used to be the Chair of and he's he's no longer on the board, and I don't know.

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james murez: It sounds like he only wanted to do it if we needed him and we don't need him unless he wants to participate, I mean, of course, we want it, because he's a great person, but.

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james murez: Other than that he's he's not needed for the but text me and when he gets off the phone text text me, let me know what it says okay.

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james murez: Alright, so he's in a business call right now so he's not gonna come online so.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so.

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Oliver Fries: Much garbage out yeah we've got quorum here thanks everyone for coming.

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james murez: You start by taking notes.

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Oliver Fries: I take role we take take.

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james murez: Right you take note of the time and you're calling the meeting to order at 335 and then you take roll you got to do everything by by roll call me and you got to call out their name.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thanks okay we're starting this meeting it's 335 i'm all over freeze and I am going to take role, so I am here all of our freeze George Francisco.

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Oliver Fries: daffodil Kaminski.

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Oliver Fries: I Evan Spiegel.

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Oliver Fries: I haven't.

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Oliver Fries: you're here.

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james murez: he's muted he doesn't out on.

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james murez: mute unmute either.

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George Francisco: A quick draw with that mute button.

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Ivan: right here i'm here.

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Oliver Fries: Okay Jenny is James Maris.

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Oliver Fries: Here cj cool.

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Oliver Fries: Nick and tonic jello.

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Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

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Oliver Fries: And john reed is not here.

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Oliver Fries: Thanks everyone for joining me.

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Oliver Fries: appreciate you being here you've all had a lot of experience in this and or.

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Oliver Fries: You know i've really wanted to be on the committee so it's a great Committee I think we'll just we'll get started second on the agenda is the approval of the Minutes, the last meeting was march of 2020 Jim Do I need to pull those up.

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james murez: For approval oh i'm not sure if you have quorum for those Okay, I was at the meeting George were you there, I think you were yeah and I believe Ivan was but I don't recall how many people were on the committee at the time.

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Ivan: Okay, I worked on the committee.

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james murez: You are not.

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George Francisco: i'll tell you in a second.

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james murez: Okay Georges Georges going to research, if.

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james murez: We can come back to it but.

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james murez: But typically we could only approve it if if we had enough people to take a vote you got to have at least three members of the committee to be able to take a vote if if there was let's say a committee of five if there was a committee of six, then you got to have four Members here.

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Oliver Fries: And I appreciate you all buried with me, this is my first time chairing a committee so thanks thanks for everyone for the help.

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Oliver Fries: So we'll come back to that.

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Oliver Fries: After George.

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Oliver Fries: Checks into that and then next we'll go to announcements.

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Oliver Fries: And I don't have any specific amount announcements does anybody else on the committee, want to announce anything.

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Nick Antonicello: For the edge of the seat.

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Nick Antonicello: Okay i'm concerned about the Constitution and membership of this tremendous i've made increased in the President to you.

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Nick Antonicello: And to the Vice President as to membership and the parliamentarian on this committee which is unnecessary uncalled for an ad in violation of robert's rules.

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Nick Antonicello: I cannot make this appeal to the palminteri because he sits on the committee can't he can't roll them on his own numbers, so I reached out to the association parliamentarian, which I sent you all.

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Nick Antonicello: A copy of their response tuning.

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Nick Antonicello: The copy is very simple i'm assuming that your inquiry involves the world's number parliamentarian because of professional parliamentarian.

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Nick Antonicello: Nellie served as an advisor to the kitty only and not as a committee Member, this is robert's rules you look at our bylaws you go to 12 a.

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Nick Antonicello: It says very clearly robert's rules are served as the governing parliamentary authority to the insane.

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Nick Antonicello: and unbiased parliamentarian may be appointed by President to assist in the resolution of parliamentary issues.

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Nick Antonicello: In case of a conflict in the file is the governing coming through the Bible shall prevail there's nothing in the bylaws about the polycom so I don't know why he is on disconnect because it's improper he could serve as the parliamentarian.

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Nick Antonicello: But the his membership on the committee is completely out of order, in violation of robert's rules and i'm asking that his membership be reviewed by the city by Freddie to get a ruling.

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Nick Antonicello: On his own membership.

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james murez: So, if I may all over can I respond sure Nick I I understood that you sent a letter I haven't read it, but I have asked Ivan to respond to why he believes that there's not an issue.

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james murez: Wait wait Nick Nick let leave Let me finish.

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james murez: Once you read Nick Nick.

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james murez: Nick let me, let me finish he's innocent until proven guilty you raised a very good question i'm not denying you what i'm trying to tell you, if you let me finish.

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james murez: i'm going to wait for him to write up his response, why he does not believe that there's an issue and then i'm going to send it off.

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james murez: To Freddie in done and ask Freddie to have the city attorney review it and make a ruling it's a conflict for me to make a ruling because i'm in both positions as well and I don't want to be in that place where I have to sit on both sides of the same coin.

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james murez: gonna let the city like.

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james murez: You suggested amo.

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james murez: i'm going to let the city, make a determination and then we will go and we will go with whatever the city says, I think you've made very clearly your point of view and i'm going to respect that, but i'm also going to respect ivan's.

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james murez: participation on the committee and as parliamentarian and he feels differently and i'm going to let him describe it and write it and then and then we'll let the city decide.

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Nick Antonicello: Fully move forward.

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Nick Antonicello: Okay possible for a Parliament change the rule on his own membership is a clear violation of Roberts rule, it is clear, there is no differentiation here, he cannot all must go to the city, he cannot walk in his own sitting on the committee it's unheard of.

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Nick Antonicello: Number one number two.

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Nick Antonicello: robert's rules to get the Member poem attorney to probably refrain from engaging in debate and speak only when requested by the meeting chair.

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Nick Antonicello: To respond to an issue involving meeting procedures, otherwise similar to the meeting chair the parliamentarian, to present your parents of having a bias as to the substantive issues and then that is a direct violation of your bylaws.

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james murez: I understand neck neck.

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Nick Antonicello: Then he wrote send me must have an unbiased palm and turn okay yep you guys are knowingly breaking the rules and you're violating robert's rules and robert's rules super supersedes your Bible, and the bylaws do not address any of this.

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james murez: I saw so let me just let me just tell you that kim's argument, and I know you've heard it before his argument is he is acting today.

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james murez: As Ivan a stakeholder in the Venice community and his role as parliamentarian is that to the board of directors and that's a different committee it's a different body and he's not acting as parliamentarian to this body, and I believe that Roberts.

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Nick Antonicello: mature into every committee that is Philadelphia loring at its worst, he is the appointment parliamentarian of the Venice neighborhood Council therefore he's the parliamentarian, the all standing committees and a half minute period.

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Nick Antonicello: period.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Can I just jump in for one SEC, because I think Nick what you're asking for us exactly what we're proposing to do, which is send it to the city and have them review it.

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Oliver Fries: yeah I mean you made some really good points and well well.

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Nick Antonicello: no problem with that, but what i'm this will get the nipped in the bud everyone was notified before this meeting, I went to the Association of parliamentarians of which is not a member never took the test okay that second.

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Nick Antonicello: So, in terms of the parliamentarian being appointed and, by the way, there's no very procedures on appointing this phone turn no one votes on it's a direct appointed by the President and he likes it that way, because no one can vet or plus qualification.

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Oliver Fries: Okay yeah again you've made some really good points and we're going to run it by the city and also that i've been responding and then decide from there.

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Nick Antonicello: But this point, though, like everybody takes i'm filing the grievance with the ship.

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Nick Antonicello: it's improper for him to participate.

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james murez: Nick Nick if you're going to Nick Nick if you're gonna take that attitude, on a point, on a point in right now is parliamentarian and i'll reappoint him after the meetings over.

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james murez: don't don't be don't be so mean and argue don't be mean and argumentative there's no reason let's just get on with it.

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Nick Antonicello: You want to use legal loopholes to keep them on here.

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james murez: I don't.

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james murez: i'm not trying to do.

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james murez: I got that Nick.

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Nick Antonicello: i'm going through with this.

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james murez: that's fine, you have to do what Nick you have to do what you have to do.

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Nick Antonicello: i'm gonna do it.

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james murez: I got that I understand let's not be nasty and mean let's.

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Nick Antonicello: See i'm.

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Nick Antonicello: going to do.

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james murez: While you're being threatening okay.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you let's and are there any other announcements.

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George Francisco: I just want to say that wasn't an announcement, just to be clear, Nick is entitled to his opinion, but that was more public comment that.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you um, are there any other announcements.

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james murez: So you need to take announcements from the public, now, I think.

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james murez: Okay, I forget where it is on your.

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Oliver Fries: Also number three is announcements number four is public comment.

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james murez: So there you go.

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james murez: To participants have their hands raised you see that down at the bottom.

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Ivan: Yes.

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james murez: hold on so you open up the participant list again.

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james murez: And when you hover over when you hover over the person's name it says allowed to talk.

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james murez: Okay, you click on that, and then you call out their name and you tell them to go ahead and unmute and let them speak.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and we're doing one minute and I have Do I need to show the timer or, can I just do I have mail.

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james murez: I can, I can bring up a watch.

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Oliver Fries: I mean, I can do it one second.

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Oliver Fries: i've got to.

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Daffodil Tyminski: get over it helps folks when they're trying to speak to time themselves.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, no problem all right we're gonna go with our first public comment, and I will hold up the timer it looks like it's puppet so go ahead puppet.

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Rabbi - Puppet: You were supposed to take public comments separately on.

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Rabbi - Puppet: Announcement yes, I will knows that but he's not going to tell you Nana Nana Nana so as we say we have the two cancer's on the neighborhood Council air George and Ivan the same to him somewhere ira's up there, causing more problems for all of us.

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Rabbi - Puppet: What are we going to free ourselves from the triumvirate a pair of Venice and make a fresh start.

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Rabbi - Puppet: You say neck is involved in some sort of proceeding and the Chair had a chance, James.

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Rabbi - Puppet: you've had a chance, James to take them off the committee there's a conflict of interest, just to be sure, but now you've decided to accuse a board member of making a fun one is exercise.

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Oliver Fries: Thanks.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on to Helen Helen let me reset your time.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Helen Fallon: um I was hoping that you were starting to address the bylaws and bringing them into conformity with a standardized bylaws and empower provides and starting with addressing the issue of representation from different areas and Venice.

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Helen Fallon: which the public made it very clear that was a concern of theirs during the election, and also the votes oppression voting for one at large.

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Helen Fallon: Those are important issues that you're not addressing here and i'd also like to know why the agenda items on today's agenda are missing the details of the proposed changes.

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Helen Fallon: How, in the world, are you planning on discussing something when you don't even know what you're voting on or or you know, considering.

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Helen Fallon: And since there probably are going to be some vacancies i'm volunteering myself i'd love to serve on bylaws, this is an issue, important to me, I campaigned on that and I like to see those those bylaws fixed and improved and you're standing rules.

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Helen Fallon: cleaned up Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and we have the puppet how many times a day.

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Oliver Fries: They can just watch.

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Oliver Fries: um OK so we've gone through our public comments, thank you, everybody.

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Oliver Fries: chairs report I don't have anything to report today, again, this is my first Chair meeting so i'm sure i'll have something to report next meeting, but want to get through this smoothly again, thank you all for being here.

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Oliver Fries: Okay item six old business.

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Oliver Fries: not be in a chair, before I I don't have any old business to present Jim is there is this something I can pull from or do I do I leave this.

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james murez: I think, as far as old business, I think you can just pot so typically what happens with old business is any item that you didn't finish during the current meeting.

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james murez: Would roll over to the next meeting or whenever you schedule them for the future, and then they become.

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james murez: Full they become an item that's already been opened, but has not been finalized So if you postpone something it would come back to the next meeting or meeting.

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james murez: To two times away whenever you reschedule it as old business and there's once it's been publicly announced it's been publicly it's publicly appeared on the agenda, then the next time it comes back it becomes old business.

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james murez: Okay, everything that's new, for the first time today is considered nervous.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

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George Francisco: hey Oliver just in terms of old business.

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George Francisco: There were three members of the current committee were members of the last rules and selections committee that's me Jim and Liz.

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George Francisco: So I guess that would.

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james murez: have led to for us to approve.

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George Francisco: The Minutes of the last meeting.

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Oliver Fries: And okay so.

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james murez: So now, when you do a review, you asked for a motion to approve.

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james murez: And then you.

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George Francisco: move the we approve the Minutes of the last minute.

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james murez: And i'll second that and then you do a roll call vote, and so the roll call at this point would just be the three of us.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Who second that.

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james murez: James did.

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Oliver Fries: All right, we are going to vote to approve the meeting minutes from the last meeting and.

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George Francisco: So this is going to have to unmute herself.

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james murez: And so the way you take this in your in your.

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james murez: minutes for this meeting you'll put down something like like G F for George Francisco as the maker of promotion.

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james murez: jm for the person who seconded it and then you you do your vote count as as yay nay abstentions recusal and then the last one is in.

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james murez: eligible eligible so you'll have you'll have.

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james murez: Three in that for it for ineligible roles and then the other three votes will either be yes or nez okay or extensions okay.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, I vote yes to prove the meeting ID.

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Oliver Fries: George Francisco.

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George Francisco: Yes.

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Oliver Fries: Definitely ultimate scheme.

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james murez: But wait wait wait.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You know, say, I only the three people who were on the committee.

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Oliver Fries: Before should be voting or.

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George Francisco: Nobody else has an eligible.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Right so it's just Jim Georgian list.

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Oliver Fries: Okay Liz do you approve.

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james murez: This needs to unmute.

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Elizabeth Wright: Yes.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you Liz.

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Oliver Fries: Okay i'm moving along.

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james murez: You did you ask James if he approved.

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Oliver Fries: So James do you approve.

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james murez: Yes, yes, George if he approves.

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Oliver Fries: Sorry we're starting over George do press, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and then do I state that that we have approved.

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james murez: The you'll write that up i'll help you after that.

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Oliver Fries: you'll write on my notes i'm just.

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james murez: Right you'll write up your write up your Minutes that that it was 300 and then for ineligible.

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Oliver Fries: i'll call you i'll call you after it a second.

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james murez: And we have a recording of it, too, so.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so now we can move to items for discussion and possible action.

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Oliver Fries: will go to seven a discussion and or possible action to approve changes to update standing Rule six to reflect practices and implemented because of.

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Oliver Fries: and changes to the dnc bylaws Do I need to share my screen to bring this up.

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james murez: it's usually a good idea to share your screen, at least for a few moments, just so everybody can see the writing in case they had a hard time understanding what you said.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, no problem.

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Oliver Fries: We just went over item.

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Oliver Fries: I had it up here apologies.

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james murez: Take your time and try, thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: that's it right there yep click on that was it.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, so I just went over.

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Oliver Fries: Seven a discussion and or possible action to approve changes to update standing role six to reflect practices implemented because of coven 19 and changes to the dnc bylaws.

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Oliver Fries: I can take us to number six and daffodil you did you want to speak a little bit more on this.

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah thanks Oliver um so I asked it this be put on the agenda, because in reviewing the standing rules, they were written free coven.

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Daffodil Tyminski: and Rule six has a meetings about sorry Rule six has the rules about how meeting should be conducted and clearly they're out of date there's also posting down there that's out of date so for the first part in terms of what exactly we change.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We I would suggest, maybe we just say conforming with guidance from the city, because, as we know, who've been talking to the city that guidance is changing.

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Daffodil Tyminski: or otherwise we just delete the section and leave a placeholder for future developments.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And then I suggest in the bottom, we just take out the places that were no longer posting.

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Daffodil Tyminski: An ad in beyond broke, because I believe we're physically posting only in one location.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So I just wanted to raise the issue Jim I don't know if you've gotten guidance from the city on this, or they have something specific they want, we can always really amend this at the next meeting I just I think we put it on the agenda for discussion and possible action.

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james murez: So the only thing that I received daffodil was was what Freddie sent us as a template for the agenda, and I think that that appears at the beginning of today's agenda.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And i'm informed it's called the virtual governance plan right, so we basically could just imagine we could delete the first three.

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Daffodil Tyminski: paragraphs of section six and just say meeting Shelby conducted in conformity with the Los Angeles virtual governance plan.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So, actually, I will make the motion.

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Daffodil Tyminski: amend Rule sex.

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Daffodil Tyminski: As follows delete the first three paragraphs and replace that with the language meeting shall be conducted in conformity with the city's.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Virtual governance plan.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And in the.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Third and Fourth lines of the fourth paragraph delete the posting locations and replace that with.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Beyond brooke at its address.

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Ivan: Of Librarians when the official posting.

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james murez: library is not always open.

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Ivan: It doesn't have your need 124 seven posting place.

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Ivan: Right, which is why we decided to.

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Daffodil Tyminski: write, but I mean what we're saying is it's not always open to be posted.

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Ivan: You can post it on the door.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay well first do I have a second on the motion before we discuss.

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james murez: i'll second the motion but I just want to make sure that we're not taking out the part where it says the website.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But I don't know i'm not only i'm only.

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm proposing that we amend the physical locations.

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james murez: Okay, good i'm good with that, so I said, James miras seconds, the motion.

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james murez: And now you want to Oliver now you want to.

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james murez: call for.

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james murez: Public comment, and then you want to go to committee discussion Okay, and I don't know if you're familiar enough with with.

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james murez: How zoom works, but if you notice cj has her hand up or good.

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Oliver Fries: yeah i'm just getting back to you yeah.

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Oliver Fries: And the reason.

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james murez: The race again function so you're aware of it is down at the bottom of the screen Thank you okay.

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Oliver Fries: So side just tell me again so cj has their hand raised, but she should be.

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james murez: She took her hand down because you're going to call on on the public first to comment on the motion that's on the floor.

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CJ Cole: that's because I have some questions before this um what we didn't have on the agenda, like an approval of the agenda and some committee comments on the agenda.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, you should have been able to speak as a.

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CJ Cole: management.

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CJ Cole: Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, the the we're trying to streamline this a little bit you don't have to have under robert's rules and, frankly, the city rules approval of the agenda.

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CJ Cole: The reason I want to is a discussion overall about the agenda, it is a concept conceptual it's not any specific item it's just a number one we didn't have this information that you've got on the screen now um you know uh we don't know who wants to do what.

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CJ Cole: You know.

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CJ Cole: it's just I know it's oliver's first time but maybe the first time, we should just to talk about what we want to do as a committee, not start picking 16 point 1.3 that we want to do something with you know I mean it's just you know I don't know i'm sorry.

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Oliver Fries: I think, do we do have an item.

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Oliver Fries: On here, though too that's more general I think, where everyone can.

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Nick Antonicello: Go bro okay.

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anyways.

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Oliver Fries: I was, I think, seven F is is more broad correct where where people can state what what they'd like to change her.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, and I am a is, we can have committee comments and cj I would suggest raise your issues and the next time we have a meeting, we can you know deal with it, and of course we're all available to talk offline.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Provided we don't finally.

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Oliver Fries: yeah OK OK, so now we're going to move to public comment on items, seven, eight Is that correct.

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james murez: yeah on the motion that's on the floor dap don't make the motion seconded.

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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

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james murez: And there were, I believe, three hands up yes.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, let me get my timer ready.

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Oliver Fries: Helen you are, first, please go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: yeah I think it's the bylaws committee you really ought to be role modeling best practices and daffodils the one who submitted this motion I don't understand why she.

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Helen Fallon: submitted this change, I don't understand why she didn't submit the motion advance I think cj made an excellent point.

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Helen Fallon: You don't even know what you're voting on, you have no nothing in front of you with all at the last minute being crafted sort of thrown up there you don't have a chance to look at one thing.

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Helen Fallon: And if you're going to reference the virtual policy of empower and I think you ought to attach it.

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Helen Fallon: I mean what the public's just supposed to know what it is what the details are your board members aren't even going to know what it is you're going to have to follow this.

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Helen Fallon: There ought to be someplace where it shows up so it's easily accessible.

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Helen Fallon: And i'm not really sure why you'd want to delete the language for in person meetings we're going to go back to in person meetings at some point, so I don't know why you're working on revising that.

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Helen Fallon: And I certainly think the library should be eliminated, I don't even think beyond Baroque is open 24 hours because, as I recall, they said they were closed during coven so I you know we've got a problem as to where you post things and where it's readily available.

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Thank.

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Oliver Fries: You.

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Oliver Fries: Could someone else to the timer it's really hard for me to take notes and do the time.

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james murez: Yes, and don't forget the way we're recording the things so taking notes, as is just a question of going back and listening to it and fast forward i'm happy to time.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

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Oliver Fries: Next is.

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Oliver Fries: holly holly go ahead.

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james murez: All you need to unmute.

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Holly Tilson: Yes, I saw I saw that i'm my name is holly Tilson and i'm an NBC.

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Holly Tilson: Member as far as the physical posting goes we posted the marvis to park we purchased.

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Holly Tilson: One of those boards that has a door on it with the plex in front and you can put your.

416
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Holly Tilson: Agendas and whatever other announcements, you want to put in, I would suggest you know, maybe you purchase with Community improvement funds.

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Holly Tilson: oakwood park or pen mar Park, or even the library just these boards, that you can post everything inside of it's protected from the weather and it's on the outside of the building so it's available 24 seven.

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Holly Tilson: And I sent your whole board I was on our elections and bylaws committee.

419
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Holly Tilson: And I created a forum where you can put current language proposed language and rationale for the change the person who's requesting it their contact information and the date they submitted.

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Holly Tilson: And it just makes it easier for everybody to understand what anybody's doing and why and it's it, you know it ends up being a supporting document to your agenda and everything's clear.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And holly Thank you we got the email.

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Oliver Fries: really helpful yes.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on to the puppet.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead.

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Rabbi - Puppet: What do we have here documents from Oliver French Fries if we didn't get earlier yeah you're turning around and fucking all your board members, by not letting them see the.

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Rabbi - Puppet: MC palosi does you have to pass a bill, then you can read it.

427
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Rabbi - Puppet: And that's not right, we don't do things here like that in Venice.

428
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Rabbi - Puppet: George dead, yes, and we got him off of board but he's.

429
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Rabbi - Puppet: Yes, he's doing every benefit George is going to report back to his master and tell them what a good job he did today screwing everything up.

430
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Rabbi - Puppet: And there's I van yes, the passive aggressive one spending all the meeting eating putting food in his face as good as descends on the chaos on the neighborhood Council.

431
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Rabbi - Puppet: And of course we seen that keys.

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Ivan: Thank you.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, and.

434
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Oliver Fries: that's I think that's everyone.

435
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Oliver Fries: Okay, do we do we have to listen to him every time if he's.

436
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Oliver Fries: Yes, when people and okay.

437
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Oliver Fries: whoops.

438
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Oliver Fries: Thank you okay.

439
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Oliver Fries: Okay, so thank you for the public comment, we are going to move to board vote or walk.

440
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james murez: or actually let's let's have a committee discussion first.

441
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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you, thank you.

442
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Oliver Fries: So anyone on.

443
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Oliver Fries: The committee go ahead.

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Ivan: Alright um I guess i'll start.

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Oliver Fries: So yeah i'm sorry i'm seeing just just so we can go through this gym i'm seeing you raised, your hand anyone was.

446
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james murez: Elizabeth raised hers first so.

447
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Oliver Fries: yeah okay.

448
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james murez: Whatever Oliver in whatever order you want, but.

449
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james murez: yeah guys have people raise their hand.

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Oliver Fries: That that works, then once they've raised their hand to do it, I.

451
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james murez: You just call on them, they can lower their hand, or you can either.

452
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Oliver Fries: Okay, I understand okay Elizabeth go ahead.

453
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Elizabeth Wright: I agree that a lot of this stuff should be retained, because it pertains to impersonal meetings and just be labeled in person, meetings and for the virtual meetings.

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Elizabeth Wright: At the beginning of the agenda for this meeting, you have a lot of.

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Elizabeth Wright: The rules that accompany every virtual meeting and they can very well be incorporated you're clear, easy to understand.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

457
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Oliver Fries: Next.

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Oliver Fries: Ivan go ahead.

459
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Ivan: Okay, so.

460
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Ivan: First of all.

461
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Ivan: This new policy which we haven't seen yet and we really should be seeing it before we vote on it.

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Ivan: That would supersede anything we do here anything in our bylaws and it's a bunk policy so there's no return or put it in our standard rules that we just have to obey it.

463
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Ivan: You know, whatever it is, and there were other policies like that to that don't mean to appear separately in our in our documents.

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Ivan: Everything is probably going to change by the end of the year, hopefully, you know we probably will be going back to some sort of hybrid meeting so again, I think we're.

465
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Ivan: You know we're at we're jumping ahead here, I am concerned about the posting it's always been we have been to posting site.

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Ivan: Whoever said it during public comment is wrong, there was a Bulletin board outside of beyond broke that's available 24 seven.

467
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Ivan: So.

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Ivan: That qualifies as on our brown act site, the library is always been a secondary fight the board approves that years ago I don't think it should be taken out because, not a lot of people go to be on borough library is available to everybody, you can post on the door.

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Ivan: And it's also very easily because we have an agreement with the library is that if we just mail them our agendas, they will post them for us.

470
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Ivan: So i'm getting requests that.

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Ivan: Well i'm not sure what i'm getting i'm getting asked for an amendment here, you know make amendment that the posting sites are.

472
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Ivan: We on Baroque and the Venice library.

473
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Ivan: let's go with that.

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james murez: And, and so he's asking for an amendment all over at this point you'd need to get a second to the amendment.

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Oliver Fries: Okay, is there a second to the amendment.

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Oliver Fries: The The amendment is to post that beyond broken and the vast library.

477
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Correct.

478
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james murez: And then, then what you would say is seen no second.

479
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james murez: The amendment fails.

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Oliver Fries: see no second amendment fails.

481
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Oliver Fries: Okay okay.

482
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Oliver Fries: With a non.

483
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Oliver Fries: Thank you Ivan cj go ahead.

484
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CJ Cole: i'm.

485
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CJ Cole: Okay i'm not prepared to vote on this or any of them I just think that we as a Community have got to our standing rules are impossible to read now.

486
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CJ Cole: they're, not even the same type face going through it there's type on top of type we need to clean up what we have before we keep putting moral fixes in it.

487
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:06.510
CJ Cole: You know, and to me that's why I want to be on this committee, I want us to have something that is.

488
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CJ Cole: very easy to read and very easy to comply with, not all of this, you know 20 pages of type on top of typing 10 different type faces and whatever um and you know I I can't vote on any of this because I just don't think we should be just changing standing rules this way.

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Oliver Fries: daffodil your your hands raise Please go ahead.

490
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Daffodil Tyminski: hi there Thank you um so the standing rules are on the website they're easy to find the.

491
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Daffodil Tyminski: The coven policies have been issued by the city multiple times, as was pointed out the rules are on all of our agendas.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And all of us had training on this as part of the training we had as new board members, so it really shouldn't be a mystery to anyone what these rules are um but we is to ivan's point don't need to include them if they are going to supersede what is, in our Rules anyway um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I just felt when in my review of the rules that they seemed a little misleading because it would lead people to think that we actually were having in person, meetings and we're not.

494
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Daffodil Tyminski: And the Rules are quite easy to read cj I mean, yes, there are a couple places here and there, where there's a slightly different font but.

495
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Daffodil Tyminski: I mean the fonts almost 14 points there's lots of spacing.

496
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Daffodil Tyminski: I find them to be quite easy to read.

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CJ Cole: depends on what you want to get out of it daffodil is just a bunch of mumbo jumbo.

498
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CJ Cole: You know, we only have what can committees, you know we don't need gav all of these you know they need to be organized.

499
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CJ Cole: it's just like anytime someone wants something new, they just add something or to the end of it, and it may or may not have something previously that had something to do with it it's yeah sorry.

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Oliver Fries: Okay.

501
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Oliver Fries: Jim your hands raised, please go ahead.

502
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james murez: um so I have a couple of comments, first of all, I would just like to make the comment that that somebody raised the point that.

503
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james murez: documents should be referenced in the agenda, and I want to second that I feel that that's very important and I actually created three videos last week.

504
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james murez: That I sent out to the board earlier this week, they didn't get out to you I don't believe all of her prior to your creating the agenda and so it's it's my.

505
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james murez: derelict duties or whatever you want i'm the one to blame for not having trained you or not having shown you what what the correct way that the agenda should be assembled.

506
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james murez: before it gets posted and so i'll take the responsibility for that and and going forward in the future, we always want to include.

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james murez: Not only the the reference to the document that we're talking about if it's possible to include it.

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james murez: We would want to attach it as a as a supporting document on the website and the the supporting document that's on the website needs to be included as a link.

509
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james murez: In the actual agenda, not as a button or something fancy but, as the actual http colon spelled out the same way that, for instance.

510
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james murez: If you were visiting the coastal commission's website, they would spell out the full URL.

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james murez: And in my video I show how to do that and i'll be happy to do that with you in the future it's not a big deal, but we want to get it right and and I think it's important that that information is available.

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james murez: The only other question that I had, I think we need to revise the posting sites, because otherwise we're in.

513
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james murez: Violation of our current standing rules at this point, anyway, by not posting them at ground works in these other places, and I think that.

514
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james murez: Just beyond Baroque is plenty of public posting for a physical site, because I think everybody basically looks at the website, or they get it through email from done at this point, they can all sign up to a list server and then they get thing automatically in their email.

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james murez: But, but having said all of that, I guess i'm curious if there is one catch all phrase at the beginning of our standing rules are in the bylaws it sort of covers that we have to comply with whatever done policies are.

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james murez: And, and then the onus is not on us to deal with it and, and I think, as we move forward through this process of cleaning these bylaws.

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james murez: And the the standing rolls up, I think a lot of this stuff will become clear right now we just got to put a couple of band aids on and move forward in my opinion, thank you, thank you.

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Ivan: Oliver can I respond to something.

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james murez: man.

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Oliver Fries: Over yeah.

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No.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead alright.

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Ivan: So that for though i'm not disagreeing with with what you were talking about, but one thing you need to remember you said we all got training, we were all sent these documents you have several members of this committee that are not board members and we didn't receive any of that.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Did I am on emails where you've received it enough said i'm just saying that you were making a mountain out of a molehill here.

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Ivan: No i'm just saying.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, if you have an amendment.

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Ivan: documents and we never did that's all.

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Daffodil Tyminski: If you have an amendment at this point, I would say, make it but, otherwise, we need to move on.

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james murez: Okay, so at this point, somebody can call for the for the vote.

530
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Daffodil Tyminski: I will call the question.

531
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Ivan: There you know don't.

532
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George Francisco: call the question Oliver call for a vote.

533
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Oliver Fries: Okay i'm calling for a vote for items, seven, eight.

534
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Oliver Fries: I.

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Oliver Fries: Go ahead George Francisco.

536
00:53:11.190 --> 00:53:11.820
Yes.

537
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Oliver Fries: daffodils minsky.

538
00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:17.040
Yes.

539
00:53:18.750 --> 00:53:19.710
Oliver Fries: Ivan Spiegel.

540
00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:20.220
Yes.

541
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Oliver Fries: cj cool.

542
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CJ Cole: stain I guess.

543
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Nick Antonicello: Nick voting present.

544
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Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

545
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George Francisco: gotta unmute yourself.

546
00:53:37.110 --> 00:53:37.470
Yes.

547
00:53:38.730 --> 00:53:38.970
Elizabeth Wright: Yes.

548
00:53:40.110 --> 00:53:43.290
Oliver Fries: john reed absent I vote yes, so that is.

549
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james murez: James mirrors yes.

550
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Oliver Fries: hi James me, yes, yes.

551
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Oliver Fries: Okay, so do I need to state the number of.

552
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George Francisco: The motion carries 1234.

553
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james murez: yeah normally normally Oliver you would you would state what the vote is the outcome, the outcome of the vote.

554
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George Francisco: And that way it results so.

555
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james murez: We did in.

556
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Aries.

557
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Oliver Fries: Thank you well.

558
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Oliver Fries: Okay.

559
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Oliver Fries: Moving on to Item seven be.

560
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Oliver Fries: It will pull it up on my screen here.

561
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Oliver Fries: Item seven be.

562
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Oliver Fries: discussion and or possible action to approve the following digit addition to the standing rules.

563
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Oliver Fries: President is an ex officio member of every committee.

564
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Oliver Fries: So.

565
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George Francisco: I move so move to bring the emotion of the four hour.

566
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Daffodil Tyminski: i'll second.

567
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Oliver Fries: Thank you.

568
00:54:57.900 --> 00:55:01.470
Oliver Fries: OK, and now we move to public comment correct.

569
00:55:01.740 --> 00:55:02.130
Correct.

570
00:55:11.250 --> 00:55:14.670
Oliver Fries: A bit oh Jim are you good with the timer.

571
00:55:15.300 --> 00:55:17.400
james murez: Yes, I was just bringing up my phone.

572
00:55:17.850 --> 00:55:19.950
Oliver Fries: Thank you, let me know when you're ready.

573
00:55:20.010 --> 00:55:21.330
james murez: i'm ready okay.

574
00:55:21.660 --> 00:55:22.890
Oliver Fries: And puppet go ahead.

575
00:55:25.290 --> 00:55:30.450
Rabbi - Puppet: Man trying to confuse people what technical Latin terms.

576
00:55:31.770 --> 00:55:36.840
Rabbi - Puppet: So yes, good puppet supports and George has been pushing for those that.

577
00:55:37.920 --> 00:55:52.500
Rabbi - Puppet: Were Kozlov should be an ex officio member of every committee, yes, the President emeritus of the Venice neighborhood Council the great I record should be the ex officio Member.

578
00:55:53.790 --> 00:56:03.090
Rabbi - Puppet: Oh no that, fortunately, Mr puppet there want to put genes on every committee know what do you want direct causal back.

579
00:56:04.950 --> 00:56:24.840
Rabbi - Puppet: needs to come back and established order to the chaos caused by Oliver French Fries and even cj agrees and even daffodil agree God puppet moves to bring our a causal effect as no ex officio President, until we can resolve these terrible.

580
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:25.830
Rabbi - Puppet: Thank you.

581
00:56:28.860 --> 00:56:31.020
Oliver Fries: Okay Helen is next.

582
00:56:32.790 --> 00:56:33.240
Oliver Fries: Go ahead.

583
00:56:35.310 --> 00:56:37.350
Helen Fallon: yeah i'm not even sure what you guys voted on, but.

584
00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.640
Helen Fallon: This is an interesting motion because it happens to conflict with the bylaws in a big way.

585
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:55.800
Helen Fallon: The president's roles are defined in the bylaws and I don't think a standard, and I know that a standing rule can supersede the violence, you can't redefine the role of the President or standing rule.

586
00:56:56.520 --> 00:57:04.200
Helen Fallon: For instance, Lou pack specifically says that know board member, other than that you elected loop heck Chair can serve on that committee.

587
00:57:04.530 --> 00:57:13.110
Helen Fallon: So how you're going to get around that one camp, I mean it's ridiculous that there's proposals here that are complete conflict with the bylaws.

588
00:57:13.500 --> 00:57:21.180
Helen Fallon: auto during this meeting and start all over again, because this is getting embarrassing you know there's a fundamental lack of understanding of Roberts.

589
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:24.360
Oliver Fries: Helen sorry one second.

590
00:57:25.560 --> 00:57:25.980
Oliver Fries: Helen.

591
00:57:26.490 --> 00:57:27.030
Oliver Fries: That was my.

592
00:57:27.060 --> 00:57:27.540
morning.

593
00:57:41.730 --> 00:57:43.410
Oliver Fries: Helen Helen can you hear me.

594
00:57:45.540 --> 00:57:45.840
Oliver Fries: Helen.

595
00:57:46.650 --> 00:57:48.360
Helen Fallon: she's done ma you cut me on.

596
00:57:49.500 --> 00:57:50.640
Oliver Fries: My wall goes right.

597
00:57:50.730 --> 00:57:51.510
Oliver Fries: Okay well.

598
00:57:51.690 --> 00:58:03.990
Helen Fallon: I just want to point out that, by definition, ex officio Member who is a member of the body would then have voting rights and you can't have that happening on at least one committee according to your bylaws.

599
00:58:04.530 --> 00:58:14.730
Helen Fallon: And I don't think you want to go there, it makes no sense it's not going to pass muster and if you need to amend the bylaws and have the guts to do it because I don't think empower is going to allow you to do that.

600
00:58:15.210 --> 00:58:23.880
Helen Fallon: you're just creating a can of worms here during the meeting and start all over again, and how the rationales for these things verisign.

601
00:58:24.300 --> 00:58:24.960
Oliver Fries: Thanks Helen.

602
00:58:28.440 --> 00:58:33.090
Oliver Fries: Okay, that is, it for public comment and we will now move the.

603
00:58:33.420 --> 00:58:34.290
Oliver Fries: Committee comment.

604
00:58:34.590 --> 00:58:36.990
Oliver Fries: Please raise your hand it looks like ivan's first.

605
00:58:39.090 --> 00:58:51.780
Ivan: Alright, so let me give you a little background here i'm extra feel means you are, by virtue of your position.

606
00:58:52.440 --> 00:59:05.760
Ivan: which in this case is the President, the current President, not be extracted and it was no actual official member of every committee, the President should not be shut out of any committee.

607
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:11.400
Ivan: The President should be allowed to vote on every committee.

608
00:59:13.020 --> 00:59:18.210
Ivan: The only thing that an ex officio Member can't do is counting the quorum.

609
00:59:19.680 --> 00:59:25.200
Ivan: So if you know if they show up and there's no corn you can't have the President than go now we have a quorum.

610
00:59:26.310 --> 00:59:45.480
Ivan: This was put into the into the standing rules, years ago, and I know because I wrote it and somehow over the years it's dropped out we've been researching it we can't find out where it goes, but where went to, we think that done took it out at some point by mistake.

611
00:59:47.190 --> 00:59:56.400
Ivan: It means to go back in again because the President should be allowed to be at every meeting, so I wholeheartedly support.

612
00:59:59.580 --> 01:00:01.920
Oliver Fries: excited next definitely.

613
01:00:04.830 --> 01:00:12.240
Daffodil Tyminski: So um Helen is correct, on her read of the bylaws that loop heck does limit membership on that committee to only.

614
01:00:13.200 --> 01:00:25.410
Daffodil Tyminski: The Chair and the people selected on the committee um I suppose that means, in the case of a conflict, the bylaws would supersede, and so this would apply to everything but Lu pack i'm.

615
01:00:26.550 --> 01:00:29.550
Daffodil Tyminski: A bride just wanted to raise that point it's a it's a good point she makes.

616
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:32.820
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

617
01:00:34.080 --> 01:00:34.980
Oliver Fries: Next gen.

618
01:00:36.330 --> 01:00:52.320
james murez: um so we did reach out to done and I just wanted to save that that they too didn't see a reason why the President shouldn't be able to be on the committee because it sort of is a conflict of president's role.

619
01:00:54.240 --> 01:01:02.010
james murez: But I, I believe that they also suggested that if there was an issue with voting on a committee that the President would not vote.

620
01:01:03.060 --> 01:01:11.220
james murez: In other words, they would not be a voting member on the Committee, and that was discussed in reference to the the loop that committee.

621
01:01:12.900 --> 01:01:25.500
james murez: Is that did come up in conversation so other than that i'm going to stay out of the voting of this because I don't want to have that appear as though there's a conflict of interest by me voting for something that has to do with me.

622
01:01:26.280 --> 01:01:30.480
james murez: But I did want to say that I did talk to the city about these issues.

623
01:01:31.650 --> 01:01:32.280
George Francisco: Over.

624
01:01:32.700 --> 01:01:33.810
George Francisco: A dungeon how are.

625
01:01:35.190 --> 01:01:46.140
George Francisco: You going to express them for you to live, because she can have the last word on this of this is where we're at so so devils right in the in in our case, if you make a standing rule and it's superseded by the bylaws as we found out.

626
01:01:46.680 --> 01:01:53.850
George Francisco: More than a couple of times over the last decade, the bylaws would prevail, so that clears up the situation with Luca.

627
01:01:54.450 --> 01:02:09.180
George Francisco: it's just you know very cut and dry Secondly, I have done the research with Ivan and in my end of the research of trying to find when this was in the when this was in our standing rules has been fruitless for my personal archives, but.

628
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:21.030
George Francisco: i'm with him, I feel as if I have seen this written in our standard rules at a certain point, and we have certainly operated under this presumption for.

629
01:02:21.660 --> 01:02:34.950
George Francisco: You know, arguably the last decade, so I just have to say that i've been is probably corrected at a certain point, it was it was an in an enumerated standing rule and somewhere along the way i'd fell out either by.

630
01:02:35.730 --> 01:02:46.260
George Francisco: You know editorial mistake when we were adding or correcting bylaws we went through a lot of that 2016 we did a lot of changes redlining documents.

631
01:02:47.670 --> 01:02:56.280
George Francisco: or done may have inadvertently taken it out when they often take the you know when they revise the bylaws and then you just spit something back to you so we've operated under this principle for.

632
01:02:56.700 --> 01:03:05.520
George Francisco: A long time and it's actually probably a positive principle, especially in committees that are ad hoc committees when very often guys.

633
01:03:06.300 --> 01:03:15.180
George Francisco: In nothing pejorative in this case is your first meeting as a chair, but a lot of time ad hoc ad hoc committees are smaller and they have a more limited scope.

634
01:03:15.600 --> 01:03:25.410
George Francisco: So people are less experienced taking a monitor it's good to have the President there's a steady hand to do it, so you know take that for what it is, but it's it's policy.

635
01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:33.900
Oliver Fries: Just to reiterate and these previous standing rules did the ex officio have voting rights or was it, they could attend but.

636
01:03:34.830 --> 01:03:48.480
George Francisco: It was merely written as ex officio generally speaking as you've heard from either the definition is that you know you are allowed to sit on the committee and act as a committee Member but not count against the quorum for convening the committee or losing forms.

637
01:03:49.860 --> 01:03:56.370
Ivan: You excellent mushy mess why non voting the President title boat.

638
01:03:57.300 --> 01:03:58.650
Oliver Fries: Okay, when we.

639
01:03:58.740 --> 01:04:17.010
Ivan: were just you know we have another situation in our bylaws that the immediate past President is that official on the is a non voting ex officio member of the board and that was for institutional memory, so that we did specified that it's not voting.

640
01:04:17.910 --> 01:04:19.200
Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you.

641
01:04:20.370 --> 01:04:21.900
Oliver Fries: thanks for your patience Elizabeth.

642
01:04:24.120 --> 01:04:25.890
Oliver Fries: Go ahead and speak okay.

643
01:04:26.010 --> 01:04:27.660
Elizabeth Wright: I would like to make an amendment.

644
01:04:28.710 --> 01:04:35.370
Elizabeth Wright: that the President is an ex officio member of every committee, with the exception of El upc.

645
01:04:36.750 --> 01:04:37.500
Elizabeth Wright: land use planning.

646
01:04:40.620 --> 01:04:44.490
Elizabeth Wright: inputs, the President will be a non voting ex officio Member.

647
01:04:47.040 --> 01:04:47.400
Oliver Fries: Okay.

648
01:04:50.070 --> 01:04:52.380
Oliver Fries: cj has her hand up do we go ahead and.

649
01:04:53.460 --> 01:04:55.260
Oliver Fries: make a motion for that amendment or.

650
01:04:55.500 --> 01:05:00.180
james murez: two others, an amendment on the floor so now you got to get a second on it, or it fails.

651
01:05:00.210 --> 01:05:03.150
Oliver Fries: Okay there's a member and i've been on the floor, do I have a second for that.

652
01:05:06.600 --> 01:05:09.930
Oliver Fries: Okay there isn't a second, so the amendment fails.

653
01:05:11.820 --> 01:05:14.160
Oliver Fries: Thank you Elizabeth cj go ahead.

654
01:05:15.450 --> 01:05:19.830
CJ Cole: Okay, this is pretty self explanatory but where in the world, is it going.

655
01:05:21.510 --> 01:05:28.500
George Francisco: cj, generally speaking, if you don't enumerate a certain place for it goes it becomes the last standing room.

656
01:05:31.140 --> 01:05:32.580
George Francisco: It would go at the end of the Standing rules.

657
01:05:35.520 --> 01:05:38.730
Oliver Fries: Okay looks like everyone's spoken so.

658
01:05:40.380 --> 01:05:41.760
Oliver Fries: There is a.

659
01:05:43.530 --> 01:05:49.800
Oliver Fries: Correct me if i'm not saying it's right but there's emotion on the floor item seven be will someone make the motion.

660
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:57.480
Oliver Fries: Or the sorry the motions already been made correct, so we need someone to oh we're taking a vote, excuse me, sorry everyone.

661
01:05:58.050 --> 01:05:58.890
Oliver Fries: we're going to go ahead and.

662
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:00.600
Oliver Fries: Take a vote for item seven be.

663
01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:02.850
George Francisco: Do you have a second on that or.

664
01:06:02.970 --> 01:06:03.840
Oliver Fries: Do we have a second.

665
01:06:04.170 --> 01:06:05.070
Daffodil Tyminski: I was the second.

666
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:05.640
George Francisco: Okay.

667
01:06:05.670 --> 01:06:06.570
You daffodil.

668
01:06:08.130 --> 01:06:12.960
Oliver Fries: Oliver freeze myself, yes, George Francisco yes.

669
01:06:14.310 --> 01:06:15.420
Oliver Fries: Definitely ultimate ski.

670
01:06:15.720 --> 01:06:16.230
Yes.

671
01:06:18.210 --> 01:06:18.780
Oliver Fries: Ivan.

672
01:06:19.380 --> 01:06:19.830
Yes.

673
01:06:22.170 --> 01:06:22.980
Oliver Fries: James means.

674
01:06:23.340 --> 01:06:24.330
james murez: i'm going to.

675
01:06:25.740 --> 01:06:26.640
james murez: recuse myself.

676
01:06:28.650 --> 01:06:30.690
Oliver Fries: Okay, see J Cole.

677
01:06:30.990 --> 01:06:31.590
Yes.

678
01:06:33.420 --> 01:06:34.620
Oliver Fries: Nick Antonio chela.

679
01:06:35.220 --> 01:06:35.970
Nick Antonicello: Voting present.

680
01:06:38.010 --> 01:06:38.910
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

681
01:06:42.390 --> 01:06:42.960
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth.

682
01:06:46.470 --> 01:06:46.890
Elizabeth Wright: Yes.

683
01:06:47.760 --> 01:06:48.240
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

684
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:51.210
Oliver Fries: john reed absent so that's.

685
01:06:55.230 --> 01:06:58.170
Oliver Fries: We have six yeses so the motion passes.

686
01:07:00.300 --> 01:07:04.080
George Francisco: What do you have there yet 12364.

687
01:07:05.310 --> 01:07:11.010
George Francisco: That was that's that's 601 with one recusals that's going to go down as Okay, thank you.

688
01:07:12.720 --> 01:07:13.830
Oliver Fries: Do I need to say that.

689
01:07:14.940 --> 01:07:16.080
Oliver Fries: After every note.

690
01:07:16.350 --> 01:07:18.240
Oliver Fries: Yes, 601.

691
01:07:18.420 --> 01:07:19.530
George Francisco: read it into the record yeah.

692
01:07:20.430 --> 01:07:23.580
Oliver Fries: Okay, and that will be on the Minutes, because i'm going to go through this recording.

693
01:07:23.730 --> 01:07:25.500
George Francisco: yep well the other minutes.

694
01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:31.560
Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on to Item seven see.

695
01:07:32.820 --> 01:07:33.780
Oliver Fries: My screen up here.

696
01:07:42.660 --> 01:07:43.860
Oliver Fries: Item seven see.

697
01:07:44.880 --> 01:07:49.950
Oliver Fries: discussion and or possible action to approve the following addition to the standing roles.

698
01:07:50.280 --> 01:08:03.420
Oliver Fries: The dnc administrative committee has the authority to direct agenda request to one or more committees, which shall address the agenda requests at the next scheduled committee meeting or 60 days, whichever is sooner.

699
01:08:05.340 --> 01:08:05.700
Daffodil Tyminski: And all.

700
01:08:06.420 --> 01:08:06.660
That.

701
01:08:07.860 --> 01:08:11.190
Daffodil Tyminski: You yeah i'll go ahead i'll second ivan's motion.

702
01:08:14.040 --> 01:08:14.370
Okay.

703
01:08:16.050 --> 01:08:18.150
james murez: I haven't made the motion devil second.

704
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:20.010
Oliver Fries: Yes.

705
01:08:21.900 --> 01:08:24.300
Oliver Fries: We will move to public comment.

706
01:08:33.420 --> 01:08:34.260
Second.

707
01:08:37.740 --> 01:08:39.840
Oliver Fries: we're moving to public comment i'm just trying to pull.

708
01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:41.070
Ivan: My agents already.

709
01:08:41.310 --> 01:08:42.060
Oliver Fries: Green backup.

710
01:08:42.930 --> 01:08:43.590
james murez: Take your time.

711
01:08:44.700 --> 01:08:45.780
Oliver Fries: i'll figure this all out.

712
01:08:46.350 --> 01:08:48.090
Oliver Fries: Sir okay.

713
01:08:50.130 --> 01:08:54.180
Oliver Fries: Thank you, Jim Helen fallon you are first go ahead.

714
01:08:56.280 --> 01:09:07.410
Helen Fallon: Well, nothing like approving standing rule is just going to confuse everybody doesn't work let's look back on this one again you're violating the bylaws you're violating standard rule number five and I remind you, the correct the.

715
01:09:07.410 --> 01:09:15.240
Helen Fallon: bylaws the ATT COM does not address or consider the merits of proposed agenda items, and this is exactly what you're trying to do here it's.

716
01:09:15.510 --> 01:09:17.520
Helen Fallon: absolutely ridiculous, it is.

717
01:09:17.520 --> 01:09:24.810
Helen Fallon: attempt to take committee recommendations and shuffle them around and have a take three months before something gets before the board.

718
01:09:25.050 --> 01:09:34.050
Helen Fallon: that's a board responsibility, it is not the responsibility to add calm to decide whether or not what the Board will hear, and you know.

719
01:09:34.860 --> 01:09:51.060
Helen Fallon: yeah I mean I don't I can see where nick's got a grievance i'm beginning to think i'm right in line up, I mean this is ridiculous you can't supersede your bylaws with these stupid standing rules, who is coming up with this well I know he's coming up with it take that back shame on you.

720
01:09:52.560 --> 01:09:53.040
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

721
01:09:56.670 --> 01:09:58.680
Oliver Fries: molly Tilson Europe.

722
01:10:02.430 --> 01:10:08.490
Holly Tilson: As a member of the public, I would end up fellow and see a board member.

723
01:10:10.170 --> 01:10:13.770
Holly Tilson: Listening to the board discussion, it sounds like.

724
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:27.360
Holly Tilson: A few of you have gotten together and come up with all these agenda items and the rationales forum and have left out the public in your other Members.

725
01:10:28.290 --> 01:10:44.130
Holly Tilson: I really think you shouldn't discuss all of this, it until you have the proposed and the changes and the rationale so that everybody knows where you're going with it.

726
01:10:45.570 --> 01:10:51.270
Holly Tilson: And I would agree with Helen from listening to other meetings that.

727
01:10:54.090 --> 01:11:02.520
Holly Tilson: Even even if you aren't to censure motions that come forward or delay they're being heard.

728
01:11:03.630 --> 01:11:22.620
Holly Tilson: it's you know, this is the board's decision they get to vote them up or down by not presenting issues to the board, either from stakeholders or committees you aren't allowing the board to do their job, whatever you pass here in this medium still has to go to.

729
01:11:22.710 --> 01:11:23.220
War.

730
01:11:24.630 --> 01:11:25.560
Thank you, thank you.

731
01:11:28.890 --> 01:11:32.220
Oliver Fries: Okay, and now that is it for public comment.

732
01:11:33.810 --> 01:11:39.330
Oliver Fries: we're moving on to the Committee comment jam your hand is up, please go ahead.

733
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:44.940
james murez: So this was something that I realized i'm here for the record, this was.

734
01:11:45.450 --> 01:12:03.570
james murez: Something that I thought needs to be in there i'm not sure of any way around this without adding two months of delay time to people who send in Agenda requests the problem with the the way that the board operates if an agenda request comes in.

735
01:12:04.890 --> 01:12:09.360
james murez: And is not directed to a committee.

736
01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:16.830
james murez: A week and a half before the outcome committee and it doesn't get put in the agenda request doesn't get put on the.

737
01:12:17.820 --> 01:12:37.680
james murez: Agenda a week and a half before the actual outcome meeting it sits there for six to eight weeks, maybe even 10 to 12 weeks before it ever gets before the board the idea here is that the Ad COM committee can immediately send these items out.

738
01:12:38.880 --> 01:12:49.350
james murez: without having to wait now that's actually how we've been operating for the last several years but, as I was reading the bylaws and the standing roles it dawned on me that that although.

739
01:12:50.040 --> 01:12:58.320
james murez: We were getting agenda requests into the agenda request system, we were sending them out to committees, without having the authority to do that.

740
01:12:58.890 --> 01:13:13.890
james murez: And I think the point that Helen made was that we're not supposed to be making decisions about the merit of it, but if somebody sends in an agenda requests and it says they would like to have parking and transportation take up the idea of speed bumps on their street.

741
01:13:15.570 --> 01:13:26.100
james murez: What I hear Helen saying is well gee it didn't come in on time for this ad COM so we're going to wait until the board meeting, and then the Board is going to say it's OK.

742
01:13:26.460 --> 01:13:37.920
james murez: And now it's got to go out that we didn't get it in on time for this capcom so we actually have to wait until next month had calm, which is a month away and then it's another at least week after that.

743
01:13:38.490 --> 01:13:44.910
james murez: Before the board meeting so now we've got five or six weeks and it hasn't gotten to the committee, yet now the committee.

744
01:13:45.780 --> 01:13:56.370
james murez: may not meet until another month goes by, because they tried to get their agenda requests in prior to the Ad COM meeting because they had their meeting prior to the outcome means they could get it in.

745
01:13:56.700 --> 01:14:01.350
james murez: On a timely basis to that month and so now we're two months out.

746
01:14:01.830 --> 01:14:08.730
james murez: And we still haven't been able to hear about the person who wants to have speed bumps on their street, and so the idea of this was.

747
01:14:09.060 --> 01:14:14.280
james murez: We just want to be able to send the information out to committees and and didn't want to.

748
01:14:14.850 --> 01:14:23.100
james murez: end up pissing somebody off by saying gee you didn't take it through the board well okay so we're trying to figure out a way of improving the system, not the layer

749
01:14:23.580 --> 01:14:32.880
james murez: And, and if anybody has any better ideas about how to do that i'm happy to hear him, but this is the first solution that I had that trying to streamline the system.

750
01:14:33.990 --> 01:14:35.070
james murez: that's all I have to say thank you.

751
01:14:35.250 --> 01:14:36.570
Oliver Fries: Thanks Jim daffodil you're up.

752
01:14:37.950 --> 01:14:53.310
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah I mean I so when we got our dnc email accounts, the first thing we got was a lot of messages from people who were upset that they had submitted agenda request that never went anywhere, I believe, Nick was one of those such people.

753
01:14:54.450 --> 01:14:55.110
Daffodil Tyminski: and

754
01:14:56.160 --> 01:15:02.580
Daffodil Tyminski: You know the rules and selections committee hadn't met in months and months and we realized there had to be some mechanism.

755
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:16.470
Daffodil Tyminski: To be able to push things along so that either we have the committee meet or if the committee refuses to me or doesn't meet, for whatever reason, it can be addressed so i'm i'm confused by the public comment.

756
01:15:17.190 --> 01:15:22.440
Daffodil Tyminski: Maybe they need to reread what the motion was, but that was the genesis of this and.

757
01:15:23.610 --> 01:15:26.580
Daffodil Tyminski: The idea is to get things moving along faster, not to slow them down.

758
01:15:27.900 --> 01:15:36.480
Oliver Fries: yeah I think this is just a way to hold committees accountable, so if something's in front of them, we have to, we have to address it on the agenda Ivan Europe.

759
01:15:37.260 --> 01:15:47.910
Ivan: yeah this is trying to close a loophole in our bylaws that people can submit motions that go directly to the board.

760
01:15:49.350 --> 01:15:57.450
Ivan: And we've always operated that we want things to go to committee first where they can be discuss with is more time.

761
01:15:58.110 --> 01:16:14.310
Ivan: And we don't want to be sitting in meetings until 130 in the morning because things bypass committees and then all the research and everything has to show up at the board meeting the committee's is supposed to do that work for us, so this is the way to say.

762
01:16:16.170 --> 01:16:21.540
Ivan: We want it to go to committee at comments, the right to refer things to Committee I liked.

763
01:16:22.860 --> 01:16:30.060
Ivan: That it has to be heard within 60 days the something's have gone to committees and died there, which is wrong.

764
01:16:31.980 --> 01:16:36.630
Ivan: So i'm in i'm in favor of this, I think this is this is something we need to do.

765
01:16:39.510 --> 01:16:49.980
Oliver Fries: Thank you that's it for committee comment we're going to go ahead and take a vote motion to take a vote on item 70.

766
01:16:52.230 --> 01:16:53.790
Daffodil Tyminski: I think we already did make the motion.

767
01:16:53.820 --> 01:16:55.410
Daffodil Tyminski: I haven't made the motion and a second it.

768
01:16:55.920 --> 01:16:56.940
Oliver Fries: Okay, thank you, sorry.

769
01:16:57.300 --> 01:16:57.960
james murez: The boat now.

770
01:16:58.050 --> 01:17:04.650
Oliver Fries: Okay, we are taking the vote now all of her freeze but yes George Francisco.

771
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:05.460
Yes.

772
01:17:07.020 --> 01:17:07.950
Oliver Fries: Definitely minsky.

773
01:17:08.220 --> 01:17:08.850
Yes.

774
01:17:10.530 --> 01:17:11.130
Oliver Fries: I didn't.

775
01:17:11.340 --> 01:17:12.090
Speak yes.

776
01:17:13.440 --> 01:17:14.250
Oliver Fries: James mirrors.

777
01:17:14.430 --> 01:17:16.680
Oliver Fries: Yes, cj call.

778
01:17:18.240 --> 01:17:19.290
CJ Cole: Yes, I guess.

779
01:17:20.610 --> 01:17:21.930
Oliver Fries: Nick and Tony jello.

780
01:17:22.530 --> 01:17:23.250
Nick Antonicello: already present.

781
01:17:25.230 --> 01:17:26.190
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

782
01:17:26.550 --> 01:17:26.940
Yes.

783
01:17:28.560 --> 01:17:31.950
Oliver Fries: john reed is absent so that's 123.

784
01:17:32.640 --> 01:17:37.110
George Francisco: Motion carries 71701.

785
01:17:37.170 --> 01:17:43.770
Oliver Fries: got it Okay, thank you we're moving on to Item seven D.

786
01:17:49.020 --> 01:17:58.290
Oliver Fries: discussion and or possible action to approve changes to update standing Rule five to conform with city requirements for electronic uploads.

787
01:18:01.350 --> 01:18:02.970
Oliver Fries: And enroll Rule five.

788
01:18:04.680 --> 01:18:05.220
Oliver Fries: Is.

789
01:18:06.510 --> 01:18:07.200
Oliver Fries: right here.

790
01:18:08.370 --> 01:18:12.510
Oliver Fries: we'll go ahead and do public comments first.

791
01:18:13.140 --> 01:18:15.930
George Francisco: If you need them in an emotion in a second so first.

792
01:18:17.160 --> 01:18:17.430
George Francisco: i'll make.

793
01:18:18.120 --> 01:18:19.020
james murez: i'll make the motion.

794
01:18:20.160 --> 01:18:23.340
Oliver Fries: So just to be just this emotion, to bring this to the floor.

795
01:18:23.640 --> 01:18:29.970
George Francisco: yeah your emotions bring it to a Florida scent sorry checkmate the motion i'll second that it's on the floor you take public comment.

796
01:18:30.750 --> 01:18:31.590
Thank you guys.

797
01:18:32.730 --> 01:18:33.090
Oliver Fries: Okay.

798
01:18:34.260 --> 01:18:39.150
Ivan: Mr chair before you go to public comment i'd like to make a point of information here.

799
01:18:39.660 --> 01:18:42.480
Ivan: Okay, good what is.

800
01:18:43.860 --> 01:18:48.960
Ivan: The city requirements for electronic upload and I have no idea what they're talking about.

801
01:18:52.920 --> 01:18:55.050
Oliver Fries: Definitely looking to you know that are.

802
01:18:55.080 --> 01:18:57.720
Daffodil Tyminski: Sure i'll actually defer to Jim on this one.

803
01:18:58.350 --> 01:19:01.680
Daffodil Tyminski: There have been some issues, both with space on.

804
01:19:03.870 --> 01:19:21.390
Daffodil Tyminski: The servers as well as people being unable to get us documents, because their personal email accounts or wherever you're using won't allow them to transmit the documents to us and so we've had various committees and various people having issues with being able to get documents out.

805
01:19:23.190 --> 01:19:28.410
Daffodil Tyminski: So i'll leave it to Jim to say what the requirements are he's way more familiar with this than I am, but that's the point here.

806
01:19:28.950 --> 01:19:32.790
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah actually specifically say that email.

807
01:19:33.120 --> 01:19:38.700
Daffodil Tyminski: should be used for getting us supporting documents, and I think what we've been fighting as a practical matter that.

808
01:19:38.700 --> 01:19:39.540
Daffodil Tyminski: is more.

809
01:19:39.960 --> 01:19:49.530
james murez: I let me, let me see if I can clarify this um when when public information is posted, it has to be posted in the public domain.

810
01:19:50.430 --> 01:20:02.220
james murez: And, and this is something that came up several years ago with the previous board that that information was not being stored in the public domain and what it did was it caused problems.

811
01:20:02.790 --> 01:20:15.420
james murez: That he ended up making the decision that the dnc to be able to put documents into the public realm had to be able to host and control those documents if those documents were sitting on somebody else's site.

812
01:20:16.080 --> 01:20:20.610
james murez: let's say I have my own personal Jim near as domain and I post.

813
01:20:21.060 --> 01:20:32.790
james murez: All of the information about my project on my site and the dnc has a meeting about it, and the first meeting they say oh sure we're going to approve this and then I go into my site might change the documents around.

814
01:20:33.420 --> 01:20:38.610
james murez: The dnc didn't have control over those documents, and now that comes up to the next meeting, which might be the board meeting.

815
01:20:38.970 --> 01:20:43.830
james murez: And the board gets a motion back from from the committee that says gee we approved.

816
01:20:44.190 --> 01:20:52.590
james murez: jim's project, whatever it is, and it's over here on jim's website and everybody can look at it well, the problem is Jim changed it because Jim was in control.

817
01:20:52.980 --> 01:21:06.450
james murez: Of the documents, the documents weren't in the public realm of the dnc control so basically what's been happening people have been using third party storage sites, there was one case that came up.

818
01:21:07.170 --> 01:21:16.500
james murez: The prior board meeting, where one of the public comments, I believe it was miss malloy made a comment that she was not able to address the.

819
01:21:18.120 --> 01:21:20.880
james murez: This is from memory 655 credits for.

820
01:21:21.990 --> 01:21:32.910
james murez: Project files and I, too, went at that meeting, tried to access them and Sure enough, they were on a third party server where you had to sign up and and subscribe to some.

821
01:21:33.930 --> 01:21:42.060
james murez: cartoon character like icon it said, if you participate in this website we're going to track you and.

822
01:21:42.930 --> 01:21:52.860
james murez: I never went forward on it, I don't know if the documents were even there, but that was the link that had been published by the loop back committee because that's where the blood documents were being stored.

823
01:21:53.340 --> 01:22:06.930
james murez: And, and so we want to get out from under that, and so the requirement here is that all documents are posted within the dnc snowman the dnc domain is anything that's described as Venice nc.org.

824
01:22:07.290 --> 01:22:19.560
james murez: So if there's any files that any committee or any any public agenda were to have their needs to be a reference directly to those documents on the vm CS website and that's what this is about.

825
01:22:20.100 --> 01:22:28.620
Ivan: Okay, so Jim would you consider pulling this right now writing up what you just said does that make sense anybody reading it.

826
01:22:29.100 --> 01:22:29.580
Ivan: not sure what.

827
01:22:31.080 --> 01:22:33.450
Ivan: The last part that should be the standard rule.

828
01:22:34.500 --> 01:22:36.330
Ivan: You know i'm saying this this week.

829
01:22:36.660 --> 01:22:38.220
james murez: No, I got it I got it so there's the.

830
01:22:38.220 --> 01:22:43.950
james murez: Standing standing rules really quite simple all all documents that the dnc.

831
01:22:45.210 --> 01:22:52.800
james murez: Is is identifying in their agendas Shelby post posted within the Venice nc.org website.

832
01:22:53.370 --> 01:22:58.680
Ivan: Okay, so, would you would you submit that now is as a substitute motion.

833
01:22:58.770 --> 01:23:02.400
james murez: Sure that's a substitute motion and i'll write it out, right now, just.

834
01:23:02.820 --> 01:23:04.860
Ivan: Okay i'm you know what i'm saying.

835
01:23:04.890 --> 01:23:06.450
Ivan: Yes, it looks yeah okay.

836
01:23:07.770 --> 01:23:10.170
Ivan: All right, over you need a second.

837
01:23:10.530 --> 01:23:12.090
George Francisco: i'll second that motion.

838
01:23:12.720 --> 01:23:15.150
Oliver Fries: OK, so the substitute motion so yeah.

839
01:23:16.200 --> 01:23:26.670
Ivan: So what happens now to substitute motion we debate the substitute motion only if that passes the original motion goes wait.

840
01:23:28.320 --> 01:23:31.920
Ivan: If the person asks you go back to the original motion.

841
01:23:32.460 --> 01:23:33.450
Oliver Fries: OK and.

842
01:23:34.740 --> 01:23:42.240
Oliver Fries: OK, I understand kim's writing it up, so the exact words that I understand what it is, but doing the handle it.

843
01:23:42.990 --> 01:23:45.600
james murez: Okay, so let me, let me just because it's really quite short.

844
01:23:46.710 --> 01:24:06.270
james murez: We call these documents, supporting documents that's heather identified on the website supporting document Shelby stored within the vm and we actually should spell out B and C, but within the dnc domain so it'd be supporting documents shall be stored within the Venice nc.org domain.

845
01:24:07.830 --> 01:24:08.070
Oliver Fries: Okay.

846
01:24:08.130 --> 01:24:09.480
George Francisco: i'll second that folder.

847
01:24:11.310 --> 01:24:11.730
Oliver Fries: Okay.

848
01:24:14.220 --> 01:24:14.490
Oliver Fries: Okay.

849
01:24:14.550 --> 01:24:14.820
So.

850
01:24:16.050 --> 01:24:19.380
Oliver Fries: yeah so now we'll move to public comment we've got.

851
01:24:20.910 --> 01:24:23.820
Oliver Fries: And the puppet is up first.

852
01:24:25.590 --> 01:24:29.700
Oliver Fries: Jim i'm going to look at this later, so I can go ahead and hold the clock up.

853
01:24:29.880 --> 01:24:31.380
james murez: No, I do it, I don't mind.

854
01:24:31.770 --> 01:24:32.550
Oliver Fries: Oh, you got it okay.

855
01:24:32.580 --> 01:24:33.150
james murez: yeah I got it.

856
01:24:33.840 --> 01:24:34.260
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

857
01:24:36.030 --> 01:24:36.990
james murez: whenever he starts.

858
01:24:37.140 --> 01:24:38.310
Oliver Fries: Okay, go ahead.

859
01:24:42.900 --> 01:24:44.070
james murez: You want to unmute yourself.

860
01:24:52.350 --> 01:24:53.520
james murez: i'll ever do you unmute him.

861
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:54.660
Oliver Fries: Yes, I did.

862
01:24:56.400 --> 01:24:57.720
james murez: puppet you want to unmute yourself.

863
01:24:59.070 --> 01:25:01.290
james murez: And you may have stepped away, you want to yeah.

864
01:25:01.350 --> 01:25:02.070
james murez: move on to Helen.

865
01:25:02.280 --> 01:25:04.620
Oliver Fries: he's disabled he can raise his hand if he wants to speak.

866
01:25:05.730 --> 01:25:06.240
Oliver Fries: and

867
01:25:09.540 --> 01:25:11.310
Oliver Fries: Helen go ahead.

868
01:25:12.840 --> 01:25:21.750
Helen Fallon: Well, and here I was looking forward to hearing a lot of different explanations of what the language of emotion actually means before you vote on it, but at least you refined it to something.

869
01:25:22.140 --> 01:25:26.430
Helen Fallon: I don't understand why none of these motions were available for anyone to read.

870
01:25:26.880 --> 01:25:42.210
Helen Fallon: And instead you just had these big things, and thank you Ivan for urging them to take away the stakeholders right to submit a petition does that seem to be in your argument about the last motion, you know I this is it's appalling your lack of desire to hear from stakeholders.

871
01:25:44.910 --> 01:25:45.390
Thank you.

872
01:25:46.980 --> 01:25:48.600
Oliver Fries: The puppet raised his hand again.

873
01:25:49.980 --> 01:25:52.380
Oliver Fries: Go ahead up if.

874
01:25:56.130 --> 01:25:56.730
Oliver Fries: You.

875
01:25:58.440 --> 01:25:59.190
Oliver Fries: were able to speak.

876
01:26:00.960 --> 01:26:03.030
james murez: Properly you want to speak you gotta unmute yourself.

877
01:26:04.650 --> 01:26:05.460
james murez: We can't hear you.

878
01:26:09.870 --> 01:26:11.460
Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on.

879
01:26:17.340 --> 01:26:18.900
Oliver Fries: OK now i'm moving to.

880
01:26:20.760 --> 01:26:27.750
Oliver Fries: we've we've made a motion we've second today we've done public comment so we're moving to committee comments cj Cole.

881
01:26:28.830 --> 01:26:30.720
Oliver Fries: Your hand is raised first go ahead.

882
01:26:31.050 --> 01:26:36.180
CJ Cole: Yes, my only question is what in the world does this have to do with standing Rule five.

883
01:26:37.590 --> 01:26:42.930
CJ Cole: It really is totally independent of the administrative domain.

884
01:26:45.600 --> 01:26:45.990
Okay.

885
01:26:49.020 --> 01:26:53.640
Oliver Fries: So i've got do we just got can we discuss this, I have standing Rule five up.

886
01:26:53.640 --> 01:26:54.150
Oliver Fries: i'm yeah.

887
01:26:54.270 --> 01:26:54.930
james murez: go right ahead.

888
01:27:01.140 --> 01:27:05.400
Oliver Fries: So this is in regards to posting the agenda.

889
01:27:11.790 --> 01:27:23.850
CJ Cole: But standing or five is only for administrative committee and i'm sure that this goes to everything so you'd be its own number.

890
01:27:25.800 --> 01:27:30.240
james murez: yeah that's that's a good point so you're saying that this shouldn't it should be for all committees, I think you're correct.

891
01:27:31.170 --> 01:27:32.310
Oliver Fries: yeah that makes sense.

892
01:27:32.940 --> 01:27:36.030
George Francisco: You don't have to deal with a clerical you can just become its own standing rule.

893
01:27:36.450 --> 01:27:39.780
Oliver Fries: yeah okay that's a good point thanks ej.

894
01:27:41.280 --> 01:27:46.710
Oliver Fries: And anybody else on the committee that would like to speak okay.

895
01:27:46.860 --> 01:27:48.750
james murez: I just I will just mention one thing.

896
01:27:49.440 --> 01:28:01.140
james murez: In a previous revision of the website some years back this capability was not possible, the Web server charged for the amount of space that we took.

897
01:28:01.560 --> 01:28:12.660
james murez: The current web server that we have has has told us that we have terabytes of data space so storage space is no longer an issue and I just wanted to bring that up because.

898
01:28:13.020 --> 01:28:23.070
james murez: In case somebody is still thinking that there's is a storage space requirement, there is not so this should be something that should not be a limiting factor any longer.

899
01:28:23.790 --> 01:28:33.630
Oliver Fries: Thanks, and this makes sense to me too I use dropbox all the time, I can send somebody a link and I can change the file as many times as I want, and no one would know so yeah record of it, we can.

900
01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:44.430
james murez: Control and I was just going to say in the Web serving company actually does a backup and they retain all backup copy they retain copies of all changes so we would have that.

901
01:28:45.990 --> 01:28:53.070
james murez: sequence of changes if something had been changed or somebody tried to delete something, it would still be available in the backups that they keep.

902
01:28:53.490 --> 01:28:53.820
Oliver Fries: Okay.

903
01:28:54.030 --> 01:29:00.000
james murez: Thank you don't actually physically delete anything they just mark it for deletion and don't actually remove it.

904
01:29:01.800 --> 01:29:05.460
Oliver Fries: Okay, so now we are taking a vote.

905
01:29:06.720 --> 01:29:10.020
Oliver Fries: This would be an is this an amended motion or.

906
01:29:11.850 --> 01:29:13.830
Oliver Fries: substitute motion okay.

907
01:29:15.690 --> 01:29:18.090
Oliver Fries: I all of her freeze but yes.

908
01:29:19.740 --> 01:29:20.820
Oliver Fries: George Francisco.

909
01:29:21.300 --> 01:29:21.780
Yes.

910
01:29:23.340 --> 01:29:23.910
Oliver Fries: daffodil.

911
01:29:24.420 --> 01:29:26.400
Oliver Fries: Yes, Ivan.

912
01:29:27.180 --> 01:29:27.960
abstain.

913
01:29:30.870 --> 01:29:31.890
Oliver Fries: James miras.

914
01:29:32.040 --> 01:29:32.580
Yes.

915
01:29:33.630 --> 01:29:34.500
Oliver Fries: cj cold.

916
01:29:34.890 --> 01:29:35.520
Yes.

917
01:29:37.110 --> 01:29:38.250
Oliver Fries: Nick internal chela.

918
01:29:38.820 --> 01:29:39.180
Oh.

919
01:29:41.460 --> 01:29:42.330
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

920
01:29:42.960 --> 01:29:43.380
Is.

921
01:29:46.350 --> 01:29:47.340
Oliver Fries: john reads absent.

922
01:29:50.370 --> 01:29:51.990
Oliver Fries: George we've got.

923
01:29:52.050 --> 01:29:56.790
George Francisco: 1261 we want six.

924
01:29:56.910 --> 01:30:00.150
Oliver Fries: Yes, 611 and i'll figure out how to do this, eventually, thank you.

925
01:30:01.200 --> 01:30:02.970
Oliver Fries: Okay, moving on.

926
01:30:04.320 --> 01:30:06.330
Oliver Fries: To item seven he.

927
01:30:09.180 --> 01:30:09.690
Oliver Fries: Is green.

928
01:30:18.330 --> 01:30:21.330
Oliver Fries: Seven he discussion.

929
01:30:22.650 --> 01:30:33.000
Oliver Fries: Yes, that's correct discussion and or possible action to approve the following in addition to the standing rules all committee meetings are joint meetings between the committee and the dnc Board of officers.

930
01:30:34.740 --> 01:30:35.400
Oliver Fries: So.

931
01:30:37.020 --> 01:30:40.110
Oliver Fries: motion to bring item seven eight to the floor.

932
01:30:41.760 --> 01:30:42.840
james murez: i'll make the motion.

933
01:30:44.520 --> 01:30:46.050
james murez: it's James yes.

934
01:30:46.080 --> 01:30:49.470
Oliver Fries: James miras makes the motion can I can I second that motion as.

935
01:30:49.680 --> 01:30:56.100
Oliver Fries: Sugar all of your free seconds, the motion, and we will move to public comment.

936
01:30:58.710 --> 01:30:59.460
Ivan: Listen chair.

937
01:31:00.240 --> 01:31:06.210
Ivan: Yes, yep before you do that, I have to leave, I have to go back to my job, helping people vote.

938
01:31:09.300 --> 01:31:13.320
Ivan: So if I can have one minute to make a comment here it's not.

939
01:31:14.550 --> 01:31:14.850
Oliver Fries: Yet.

940
01:31:14.940 --> 01:31:16.080
Ivan: And if you allow me that.

941
01:31:16.470 --> 01:31:17.490
that's okay right.

942
01:31:18.510 --> 01:31:31.050
Ivan: Okay okay its motion coming up, I saw Freddie today he actually walked into my pole to vote and we talk this is currently on the desk of the city attorney.

943
01:31:32.580 --> 01:31:38.730
Ivan: So you might want to hold off and see what they rule on this, but that's up to you whether you want to move ahead or not.

944
01:31:40.140 --> 01:31:50.520
Ivan: And I ever went through standard rules, and I know we went through the standing rules, we have a whole bunch of things, we would like to bring up and obviously it's not going to happen today.

945
01:31:50.880 --> 01:32:02.820
Ivan: So I will contact you and go through that cj was right, we need to go through and clean the standard rules before we add more things and so thank you my.

946
01:32:03.150 --> 01:32:03.780
Ivan: I don't know.

947
01:32:04.260 --> 01:32:06.300
Oliver Fries: Well, I didn't whenever you hear back from them.

948
01:32:08.040 --> 01:32:11.880
Ivan: From the city I won't hear back from the city attorney there they're.

949
01:32:12.960 --> 01:32:19.410
Ivan: Looking at this polishing city wide it's not just we kind of skirted a little bit for them.

950
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:26.190
Ivan: i'm sure Freddie will let us know when when if there's a rule in one way or the other.

951
01:32:27.210 --> 01:32:31.500
Ivan: Right i'm not saying don't do it if you want to go ahead and do it go for it but.

952
01:32:33.360 --> 01:32:36.960
Ivan: The city attorney has your child has got now.

953
01:32:38.010 --> 01:32:38.760
Ivan: Okay that's.

954
01:32:38.850 --> 01:32:41.670
Ivan: that's, all I can tell you all right okay.

955
01:32:41.790 --> 01:32:42.060
Oliver Fries: Thanks.

956
01:32:42.330 --> 01:32:43.560
Ivan: All right, thank you.

957
01:32:45.960 --> 01:32:46.410
Oliver Fries: and

958
01:32:47.490 --> 01:32:57.270
Oliver Fries: I guess i'll defer to a few of you who have been on the committee longer as this something we should vote for if it can be shut down or is it is it worse.

959
01:32:57.750 --> 01:33:01.890
Oliver Fries: Why don't why don't you just take the public comment, so we can just have a discussion to dispose of it all at.

960
01:33:01.890 --> 01:33:03.360
George Francisco: Once instead of going back and forth.

961
01:33:03.780 --> 01:33:09.090
Oliver Fries: Okay, good idea i'll go ahead holly Tilson your your first.

962
01:33:10.530 --> 01:33:12.480
Oliver Fries: gym is ready, almost.

963
01:33:16.800 --> 01:33:18.780
Oliver Fries: Okay holly go ahead.

964
01:33:21.450 --> 01:33:38.250
Holly Tilson: hi i'm this this motion well, one thing I would like to say is when motions are put on the floor like this, the actual motion should be read the Board should be asking clarifying questions before public comment.

965
01:33:38.640 --> 01:33:48.690
Holly Tilson: Because you're losing me on what you're actually doing until after i've commented this this motion, just because I know a little bit about it.

966
01:33:49.170 --> 01:34:03.180
Holly Tilson: We have at the dnc all of our meetings are joint, but we have a different makeup all of our committees are whoever attends is in the stakeholders are voting members.

967
01:34:04.350 --> 01:34:05.730
Holly Tilson: This was something.

968
01:34:05.850 --> 01:34:09.900
Holly Tilson: done came up so you didn't violate a quorum of a.

969
01:34:09.900 --> 01:34:10.650
quorum.

970
01:34:12.420 --> 01:34:34.890
Holly Tilson: I put it into our bylaws last year, you know, to have meetings like you do where there's a defined Committee and the you know the Members are set, but our board didn't go for it, they you know, voted against it and kept the anybody who's attending can be a committee Member.

971
01:34:36.540 --> 01:34:41.970
Holly Tilson: um okay I don't you know I don't think it makes any difference if you wait on this.

972
01:34:42.660 --> 01:34:43.140
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

973
01:34:44.310 --> 01:34:46.530
Oliver Fries: I gave you an extra 20 seconds that Thank you so much.

974
01:34:48.450 --> 01:34:49.890
Oliver Fries: Hello Helen go ahead.

975
01:34:51.870 --> 01:34:58.110
Helen Fallon: um yeah I took I went to one of the empower trainings recently and they made a big point of saying that.

976
01:34:58.710 --> 01:35:12.300
Helen Fallon: Even when you hold joint board meetings I think this language has to be in the Standing rule that Council members can attend that committee meeting but they're not the supposed to be participating or speaking during public comment.

977
01:35:12.810 --> 01:35:21.420
Helen Fallon: This isn't it, you know they're supposed to made up their minds or express what their point of view is at during committee meeting they're there to hear what the stakeholders have.

978
01:35:21.480 --> 01:35:21.900
Daffodil Tyminski: To say.

979
01:35:22.320 --> 01:35:32.430
Helen Fallon: And the way your wording this without putting in that caveat that yes, you can go, because you don't want to be held a problem with how many board members show up to get in for done an issue.

980
01:35:33.090 --> 01:35:38.730
Helen Fallon: If you don't put that language in there you're going to have lots of violations of the brown act.

981
01:35:39.180 --> 01:35:47.790
Helen Fallon: Because not supposed to this is the empower empower made it very clear, there are a number of questions on that, and they were very clear that that's the way it's supposed to work.

982
01:35:48.120 --> 01:35:55.590
Helen Fallon: you're not supposed to be talking during the meetings you're not a committee Member you're not and you're not there, as a member of the public you're there as an observer.

983
01:35:56.790 --> 01:35:57.270
Oliver Fries: Thank you.

984
01:36:00.450 --> 01:36:02.940
Oliver Fries: Okay, are there any comments from the committee.

985
01:36:04.980 --> 01:36:05.490
Oliver Fries: cogent.

986
01:36:06.270 --> 01:36:23.610
james murez: um it's very unfair to people who serve in the Community, as a member on the board to not be able to speak because of project is with within 500 feet of their property there perhaps the most impacted people that that.

987
01:36:26.190 --> 01:36:35.490
james murez: want to be able to speak and should be able to speak, but the city has made a ruling that if you're within 500 feet you can't speak on an item if you're on the body that certain.

988
01:36:36.240 --> 01:36:44.400
james murez: So you have to recuse yourself, you have to leave the room well the city also made a determination that if you went to the committee meeting.

989
01:36:44.940 --> 01:36:52.620
james murez: You were allowed to speak on the item because they're you're a stakeholder you're not the body you're not a member of the body which is what the brown act says.

990
01:36:52.920 --> 01:37:02.400
james murez: you're not a member of the body of this of the subcommittee and in the Subcommittee, you are allowed to speak so I have to question where Helens information came from, but.

991
01:37:02.850 --> 01:37:08.190
james murez: i'm not saying that she's not writing what she's saying, but I was told it a different way, the only place that.

992
01:37:08.700 --> 01:37:19.590
james murez: Individuals who are on the board could speak out about something that they're within 500 feet of is if they spoke out at the committee so in the case of.

993
01:37:20.310 --> 01:37:29.490
james murez: The monster project on the median several of our people are on the board they're not allowed to speak at the board about the monster on the median project.

994
01:37:29.880 --> 01:37:44.910
james murez: But yet if they go to the loo PAC meeting they're not on that committee so they're allowed to speak out about how they feel about the same thing is true, with many other projects and things that happened throughout the Community and it's unfair to think that a a a.

995
01:37:46.230 --> 01:38:01.950
james murez: board member isn't allowed to be in the room, because there's more than then him or herself plus for other people, which is what would be the maximum number before you ran into a brown act violation of the.

996
01:38:03.150 --> 01:38:04.740
james murez: 50% of the quorum.

997
01:38:05.820 --> 01:38:23.520
james murez: was in the room at the time and item was being discussed and that's the fundamental issue that fit our quorum is 11 and 50% of the quorum was five people, so if i'm in the room, and with the for other people, and one of the other people is the chair of a committee.

998
01:38:24.660 --> 01:38:32.970
james murez: Now there's only three other people that can be in the room, or i'm in violation of the brown act by speaking out on an item.

999
01:38:33.480 --> 01:38:47.040
james murez: That I can't speak out at when i'm in the board me so having joint meetings allows us that liberty and that's how it was explained to me by the people at done and that's why I think this is a good idea, thank you.

1000
01:38:48.660 --> 01:38:51.030
Oliver Fries: Thank you anybody else from the committee.

1001
01:38:52.980 --> 01:38:55.170
Oliver Fries: Okay let's take this to a vote.

1002
01:38:55.470 --> 01:38:56.700
james murez: to other people other handsome.

1003
01:38:57.870 --> 01:38:58.710
Oliver Fries: Okay, that just.

1004
01:38:59.220 --> 01:39:04.800
Oliver Fries: Did it last minute bella's hasty just got her hand up to after you Oh, there you go first F adele and then cj.

1005
01:39:05.430 --> 01:39:11.640
Daffodil Tyminski: I would just suggest to this is in front of the city attorney we not act on this moment and wait for the city attorney.

1006
01:39:12.300 --> 01:39:12.630
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay.

1007
01:39:13.140 --> 01:39:14.970
Oliver Fries: Or at least my God what the statuses I.

1008
01:39:14.970 --> 01:39:16.050
james murez: mean yeah but it's.

1009
01:39:16.260 --> 01:39:18.900
james murez: Your turn wait take two years to get back to us.

1010
01:39:18.990 --> 01:39:30.450
Oliver Fries: And since we've gone through public comment and and committee comment can, if they say if the city attorney attorney approves it then we won't have to bring it back to the agenda to an agenda craft join.

1011
01:39:34.260 --> 01:39:35.370
Oliver Fries: cj go ahead.

1012
01:39:40.170 --> 01:39:41.430
Oliver Fries: you're muted cj.

1013
01:39:47.580 --> 01:39:49.860
Oliver Fries: looks like you're still muted cj.

1014
01:39:50.880 --> 01:39:51.270
CJ Cole: yeah.

1015
01:39:51.780 --> 01:40:13.080
CJ Cole: Okay um now I was under the understanding that if we if this was the case then anyone in the room, who is a member of the board, but not a member of the committee could was also actually included in the.

1016
01:40:14.430 --> 01:40:15.690
CJ Cole: visual part of it.

1017
01:40:18.810 --> 01:40:24.480
CJ Cole: I mean when they want to speak, I mean you know they become part of the committee.

1018
01:40:24.780 --> 01:40:34.020
George Francisco: yeah you're correct cj if it's a Joint Committee meeting you would be a panel as a panelist representing your committee so yes.

1019
01:40:34.380 --> 01:40:37.290
CJ Cole: Because that is definitely not done now.

1020
01:40:38.370 --> 01:40:38.790
George Francisco: Okay.

1021
01:40:43.440 --> 01:40:44.160
Oliver Fries: Nick go ahead.

1022
01:40:45.840 --> 01:40:47.160
Nick Antonicello: i'll make the motion the table.

1023
01:40:50.220 --> 01:40:51.810
Oliver Fries: Sorry, say that one more time.

1024
01:40:52.530 --> 01:40:54.330
Nick Antonicello: i'm making a motion to table.

1025
01:40:55.410 --> 01:40:57.690
Oliver Fries: Okay does anybody second.

1026
01:40:57.750 --> 01:40:58.260
The motion.

1027
01:40:59.910 --> 01:41:00.240
Oliver Fries: Okay.

1028
01:41:04.050 --> 01:41:07.560
Oliver Fries: That will be in the meeting minutes so we'll move that to.

1029
01:41:07.980 --> 01:41:08.730
Nick Antonicello: All the question.

1030
01:41:08.790 --> 01:41:23.730
George Francisco: No, no don't call the question there's been emotion made to table and as a second well, we have to do is, we have to vote on the motion to table emotion, to table means the motion goes away unless it's brought back again by emotion.

1031
01:41:24.150 --> 01:41:26.940
George Francisco: Okay, so now we're going to vote on whether to table it or not.

1032
01:41:27.630 --> 01:41:28.050
Okay.

1033
01:41:34.170 --> 01:41:37.290
Oliver Fries: I vote I vote yes George.

1034
01:41:37.740 --> 01:41:38.430
Yes.

1035
01:41:40.740 --> 01:41:41.250
Daffodil Tyminski: Yes.

1036
01:41:42.690 --> 01:41:45.780
Oliver Fries: Ivan Ivan is absent now Jim.

1037
01:41:46.140 --> 01:41:46.530
No.

1038
01:41:48.390 --> 01:41:48.990
Oliver Fries: cj.

1039
01:41:49.500 --> 01:41:50.070
Yes.

1040
01:41:52.710 --> 01:41:53.130
Oliver Fries: Nick.

1041
01:41:54.450 --> 01:41:54.840
Oliver Fries: Yes.

1042
01:41:54.930 --> 01:41:55.410
yeah.

1043
01:41:56.940 --> 01:41:57.600
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth.

1044
01:41:58.170 --> 01:42:00.180
Oliver Fries: New sorry, did you say now.

1045
01:42:00.750 --> 01:42:01.860
Oliver Fries: nope okay.

1046
01:42:02.130 --> 01:42:06.990
George Francisco: All right, the motions been tabled by a vote of five two with two absences.

1047
01:42:07.380 --> 01:42:13.530
Oliver Fries: Thank you, George well okay we're moving on to item Stephen F.

1048
01:42:17.160 --> 01:42:32.520
Daffodil Tyminski: i'd like to just make a motion to table seven F, this was I put this in there and I did it so we could have the discussion that cj was requesting in the beginning, but it seems like it's going to have to be its own meeting.

1049
01:42:33.780 --> 01:42:36.930
Daffodil Tyminski: I don't think there is anything else identified at the moment, unless anyone.

1050
01:42:37.290 --> 01:42:38.820
Nick Antonicello: else, like the most yeah.

1051
01:42:40.170 --> 01:42:40.620
Oliver Fries: Okay.

1052
01:42:41.670 --> 01:42:47.370
Oliver Fries: So we are voting on the motion to table items seven F, I do we need public comment on that.

1053
01:42:47.940 --> 01:42:49.410
No okay.

1054
01:42:50.460 --> 01:42:51.420
Oliver Fries: I vote yes.

1055
01:42:52.860 --> 01:42:53.340
Oliver Fries: George.

1056
01:42:53.520 --> 01:42:54.000
Yes.

1057
01:42:55.800 --> 01:42:56.850
Oliver Fries: that's daffodils minsky.

1058
01:42:57.180 --> 01:42:57.660
Yes.

1059
01:42:59.130 --> 01:43:04.290
Oliver Fries: Ivan Ivan is absent, Jim James yes cj cool.

1060
01:43:04.650 --> 01:43:05.250
Yes.

1061
01:43:06.420 --> 01:43:07.770
Oliver Fries: Nick entering charla.

1062
01:43:08.040 --> 01:43:08.460
Yes.

1063
01:43:10.860 --> 01:43:11.640
Oliver Fries: Elizabeth right.

1064
01:43:12.210 --> 01:43:12.600
Yes.

1065
01:43:14.490 --> 01:43:15.390
Oliver Fries: john reed is upset.

1066
01:43:16.290 --> 01:43:18.720
George Francisco: Very 702 Apps and says.

1067
01:43:19.320 --> 01:43:26.100
Oliver Fries: Okay we're now moving on to committee comments Elizabeth I see your hand is up so go ahead and is based on.

1068
01:43:27.300 --> 01:43:38.370
Elizabeth Wright: Yesterday, through the standard as the period of the website cleaned up all the grammar and got rid of some of the more blatant.

1069
01:43:39.660 --> 01:43:51.900
Elizabeth Wright: errors and they're welcome to a copy of it if that wouldn't be an assistance and actually discussing about the standing rules and where they're going and what we're going to do with.

1070
01:43:53.130 --> 01:43:56.130
George Francisco: That that's great Liz did you did you make sure all the fonts are the same.

1071
01:43:56.640 --> 01:43:57.570
George Francisco: And all the sizes.

1072
01:43:58.170 --> 01:44:00.090
Elizabeth Wright: I didn't go through that yeah.

1073
01:44:00.480 --> 01:44:03.360
George Francisco: Well, we don't want to see it until we have all the fonts and all the sizes, the same.

1074
01:44:03.570 --> 01:44:07.800
Elizabeth Wright: All right, I will make sure it's the same numbering scheme, all the way through good I noticed.

1075
01:44:10.050 --> 01:44:14.070
Oliver Fries: Like thanks for doing that we'd love to take a look okay Nick go ahead.

1076
01:44:15.600 --> 01:44:28.050
Nick Antonicello: I had two motions that I would drew as a courtesy to the committee, I want to ensure that those two motions Oliver on the agenda for the October meeting that you have copies.

1077
01:44:29.160 --> 01:44:35.880
Nick Antonicello: And secondly, I want to copy the correspondence to the city that will on the membership of vibe and speak on this.

1078
01:44:37.650 --> 01:44:38.640
Oliver Fries: Day, thank you.

1079
01:44:39.780 --> 01:44:41.130
Oliver Fries: Okay now you'll get it Nick.

1080
01:44:41.730 --> 01:44:48.750
Oliver Fries: yeah so that that was part of committee comments here item eight on the agenda there any other comments.

1081
01:44:50.880 --> 01:44:57.330
james murez: No, I think we're off to a great start, I think, as as cj expressed, and also as Elizabeth is.

1082
01:44:58.320 --> 01:45:05.820
james murez: is describing the the documents, need to be cleaned up and and I think that that is is a high level of priority and.

1083
01:45:06.180 --> 01:45:15.000
james murez: and getting one standard numbering scheme between the two documents and in a way of standardizing how the information is carried between the two and.

1084
01:45:15.510 --> 01:45:21.810
james murez: it's not right now there's there's paragraphs that are called out in one document that don't exist in the other and vice versa.

1085
01:45:22.290 --> 01:45:33.270
james murez: And that all needs to be cleaned up it's been too many years since it was last looked at and that's the way these things evolve and nobody's to blame, we just want to get it better and it doesn't have to be.

1086
01:45:34.350 --> 01:45:46.380
james murez: A you know, a drop dead deadline, but we want to do it, as you know, we have time and energy to do it, so if if if Elizabeth if you've created a red line version for something that we can see what.

1087
01:45:46.590 --> 01:45:48.720
Elizabeth Wright: You know, has been changed, as it is red light.

1088
01:45:48.990 --> 01:46:03.330
james murez: yeah great then we ought to start working on that and we probably want to if everybody agrees, maybe even post that online so people can see what it is we're actually talking about and how we're going to clean it up, so they can see the progression of what we're going through.

1089
01:46:04.770 --> 01:46:06.660
james murez: But i'll leave that up to you all have richer committee you.

1090
01:46:07.380 --> 01:46:11.250
Oliver Fries: know I think that's a would be a great process cj you've got your hand up.

1091
01:46:11.400 --> 01:46:29.670
CJ Cole: If this is going to require like a subcommittee I will volunteer to work together with Elizabeth you know I mean it definitely is a major project just getting at a format that we can look at um, I think, and it sounds like Elizabeth is.

1092
01:46:30.390 --> 01:46:31.140
CJ Cole: working on it.

1093
01:46:31.650 --> 01:46:34.920
CJ Cole: um but he may or may not need some help.

1094
01:46:35.190 --> 01:46:42.690
james murez: So cj if if all of her was to do it as a subcommittee, then it would be brown acted and you'd have to have public noticed meetings if.

1095
01:46:43.170 --> 01:46:48.810
james murez: You if the two of you just work on it go away and come back you wouldn't be creating any kind of violation.

1096
01:46:49.470 --> 01:46:59.640
james murez: The two of you could just work on it and and bring back you know, whatever you had changes and then the commit the whole committee could then talk about it in public think that's probably an easier way to do.

1097
01:47:01.800 --> 01:47:06.480
George Francisco: Okay it's redlining a document guys it's not brain science Thank you all of our.

1098
01:47:06.540 --> 01:47:07.260
Oliver Fries: I appreciate.

1099
01:47:07.800 --> 01:47:08.760
Oliver Fries: It thanks everyone.

1100
01:47:10.350 --> 01:47:15.660
Oliver Fries: appreciate all your help and i'll get this down i'll be watching the recording and doing the minute so that'll be helpful.

1101
01:47:15.930 --> 01:47:19.650
james murez: And the last, the last thing you want to do is note the adjournment time.

1102
01:47:19.770 --> 01:47:24.660
Oliver Fries: Yes, yes of course we were scheduled for 5pm and it's 512 so good job everyone.

1103
01:47:24.990 --> 01:47:25.590
james murez: Well done.

1104
01:47:26.580 --> 01:47:27.930
Daffodil Tyminski: Oliver thanks so much.

1105
01:47:28.080 --> 01:47:41.130
james murez: And all over i'll be i'll be posting this video as supporting document to the website you'll be able to take it from there as soon as i'm able to download it and I have to download it from zoom and then post it to YouTube and then put the link on the website so it's a.

1106
01:47:41.130 --> 01:47:42.150
Oliver Fries: Complete steps, but.

1107
01:47:42.630 --> 01:47:43.380
Daffodil Tyminski: bye guys.

1108
01:47:43.500 --> 01:47:44.010
There you go.

1109
01:47:45.030 --> 01:47:45.360
Oliver Fries: hi.

1110
01:47:45.870 --> 01:47:46.320
Oliver Fries: I think.

1111
01:47:46.530 --> 01:47:48.330
james murez: feel free to reach out if you have any questions.

1112
01:47:48.390 --> 01:47:49.230
Oliver Fries: Thanks everyone.

1113
01:47:49.350 --> 01:47:49.740
Oliver Fries: bye.

1114
01:47:50.040 --> 01:47:55.590
Elizabeth Wright: bye bye oh is is YouTube considered a dnc access, please.

1115
01:47:56.280 --> 01:48:01.950
james murez: So the document on YouTube is YouTube is considered a public space.

1116
01:48:03.120 --> 01:48:18.630
james murez: we're not doing it there for the purposes of documenting the meeting or the agenda it's just there as a as a recorded document, in other words it's a it's a it's not there as an official set of minutes or bonds.

1117
01:48:18.990 --> 01:48:19.860
Elizabeth Wright: got it Thank you.

1118
01:48:20.100 --> 01:48:22.860
james murez: yeah you know it's like it's a piece of information.

1119
01:48:23.430 --> 01:48:23.730
Elizabeth Wright: Thank you.