WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.780 --> 00:00:15.150 james murez: you're going to go next door and see the kids that are in the swimming pool. 2 00:00:17.460 --> 00:00:20.460 james murez: Well, a little girl named Sophia she was here for your. 3 00:00:21.480 --> 00:00:25.560 james murez: What do you call it, and her mom will say hi there real nice folks. 4 00:00:43.560 --> 00:00:49.260 james murez: yeah i'm waiting to see it, I need to find an agenda, so I know who's on their committee. 5 00:00:52.050 --> 00:00:52.920 james murez: where's their. 6 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:25.740 let's see. 7 00:01:26.910 --> 00:01:28.080 james murez: Resources first. 8 00:02:09.090 --> 00:02:10.140 Soledad Ursua: Jim can you hear me. 9 00:02:10.980 --> 00:02:11.490 yeah. 10 00:02:13.740 --> 00:02:14.070 Soledad Ursua: Okay. 11 00:02:36.060 --> 00:02:37.650 james murez: jack the same thing is john. 12 00:02:38.130 --> 00:02:38.610 Yes. 13 00:02:41.520 --> 00:02:47.190 Soledad Ursua: And then Alan parsons is on a committee and I were usually makes both Ellen and I have a Co host. 14 00:02:47.670 --> 00:02:48.840 james murez: Because we are all of us not. 15 00:02:49.350 --> 00:02:50.700 james murez: ellen's not here yet. 16 00:02:51.330 --> 00:02:53.820 james murez: Okay there, he is he is now okay. 17 00:02:59.460 --> 00:03:01.350 james murez: soon as he shows up there, he is. 18 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:07.950 Soledad Ursua: And Armando hogan is our LSD REP he. 19 00:03:09.240 --> 00:03:09.480 james murez: one. 20 00:03:09.810 --> 00:03:10.830 james murez: Second, one thing at a time. 21 00:03:12.570 --> 00:03:13.140 james murez: You want. 22 00:03:14.370 --> 00:03:15.750 james murez: To be a Co host. 23 00:03:19.620 --> 00:03:22.170 james murez: Okay alan's working on becoming a Co host What did you want. 24 00:03:23.070 --> 00:03:25.890 Soledad Ursua: i'm chief deputy or Miranda hogan. 25 00:03:25.950 --> 00:03:27.990 Soledad Ursua: He is a fire department. 26 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:31.470 james murez: he's going to be a panelist to okay. 27 00:03:31.530 --> 00:03:31.770 Soledad Ursua: All right. 28 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:32.460 and 29 00:03:34.290 --> 00:03:39.150 james murez: For Jim rob is like out there all alone is this a joy, did you post this as a joint meeting. 30 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:42.300 Soledad Ursua: um what's right with the dnc board. 31 00:03:43.710 --> 00:03:45.720 Soledad Ursua: As a panelist for ocean, because since he's. 32 00:03:46.470 --> 00:03:47.130 james murez: rob was. 33 00:03:47.340 --> 00:03:50.400 james murez: Jim rob is on the dnc board so he can also be a panelist. 34 00:03:51.390 --> 00:03:56.700 Soledad Ursua: Right and I invited him to be a panelist just because we want to talk about the ocean front walk pilot Program. 35 00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:01.170 james murez: Well, so he can be a panelist because he's on the board okay. 36 00:04:03.480 --> 00:04:07.860 james murez: I just want to be clear about that, because otherwise everybody can be panelists unless it's an. 37 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:09.690 Soledad Ursua: Agenda as. 38 00:04:09.780 --> 00:04:15.900 james murez: yeah unless it's an agenda item that he's speaking on, but he can be on there for the full agenda because he's on the board and it's a joint meeting. 39 00:04:16.590 --> 00:04:16.950 Okay. 40 00:04:18.870 --> 00:04:21.840 james murez: And there's somebody named don Jay and Nick and cello. 41 00:04:22.140 --> 00:04:23.250 Soledad Ursua: And to Joe just. 42 00:04:23.250 --> 00:04:25.170 james murez: Participants okay. 43 00:04:26.670 --> 00:04:32.850 Soledad Ursua: Now let's see we have all of our high a gem thanks for joining us, we have all of our committee members on. 44 00:04:33.330 --> 00:04:33.810 james murez: Okay, so. 45 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:35.460 james murez: I think i'm going to bow. 46 00:04:35.490 --> 00:04:37.470 james murez: out, although I may stay tuned but i'm going to. 47 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:43.560 james murez: mute in side my camera and then whenever you're done the meeting will just get let everybody know that meeting is being recorded. 48 00:04:44.070 --> 00:04:45.510 james murez: I think that happens automatically. 49 00:04:45.510 --> 00:04:46.080 james murez: Anyway, but. 50 00:04:46.590 --> 00:04:48.420 Soledad Ursua: i'm not sure to make. 51 00:04:48.510 --> 00:04:49.680 Soledad Ursua: Ellen night co host. 52 00:04:51.030 --> 00:04:53.670 james murez: You want who Alan your Gal and is your co host isn't it. 53 00:04:53.730 --> 00:04:54.420 Soledad Ursua: Okay, good. 54 00:04:54.780 --> 00:04:57.540 james murez: Okay, look look at the panelists listed should say. 55 00:04:59.730 --> 00:05:01.320 james murez: Let me yeah it says he's a Co host. 56 00:05:01.920 --> 00:05:02.250 Okay. 57 00:05:03.270 --> 00:05:10.950 james murez: um, so I will post this video to your committee page at the end of this meeting. 58 00:05:11.910 --> 00:05:18.210 james murez: Okay okay after like tonight, or something so after you get your minutes up there should also be a video link there. 59 00:05:19.260 --> 00:05:21.930 james murez: OK OK alright have a good meeting everybody. 60 00:05:22.710 --> 00:05:24.090 Helen Fallon: police are attending. 61 00:05:25.140 --> 00:05:26.220 james murez: No, no they're gonna. 62 00:05:26.640 --> 00:05:27.270 Soledad Ursua: get into that. 63 00:05:27.420 --> 00:05:29.010 james murez: Okay alright okay. 64 00:05:29.430 --> 00:05:32.520 Soledad Ursua: Alright, so hi everyone, let me share my screen. 65 00:05:35.610 --> 00:05:41.700 Soledad Ursua: Alright So here we are, thank you for coming, this is our public health and safety committee meeting for August. 66 00:05:43.050 --> 00:05:55.800 Soledad Ursua: All of our board members are here and Helen you had a good question, so the lapd they are only able to do one meeting per month, so we're going to send them back to the full dnc board meeting, but we have. 67 00:05:56.940 --> 00:06:13.740 Soledad Ursua: hogan with us deputy chief from LSD and he has a lot of important updates for us so right now, it is 504 let's officially start the meeting and I will i'd like to put in a motion to approve the agenda can I get a second. 68 00:06:18.090 --> 00:06:19.080 Helen Fallon: Sure, also going to. 69 00:06:19.710 --> 00:06:25.170 Soledad Ursua: Call it okay one seconds does anyone object to the agenda as presented. 70 00:06:26.310 --> 00:06:28.890 Soledad Ursua: If not that's unanimous consent to move on. 71 00:06:30.000 --> 00:06:37.080 Soledad Ursua: um alright so then we're on to review comment and adopt me a minute meetings from the prior minute or prior meeting sorry. 72 00:06:38.400 --> 00:06:50.730 Soledad Ursua: So I sent those around, we did not have any emotions last month, I would like to motion that we adopt the Minutes as presented it can I get a second for that. 73 00:06:51.600 --> 00:06:52.500 Helen Fallon: Oh on seconds. 74 00:06:53.850 --> 00:06:58.230 Soledad Ursua: Okay Is there anyone who objects to the Minutes from the prior meeting. 75 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:02.100 Soledad Ursua: If not, that will be unanimous, and we can move on. 76 00:07:03.030 --> 00:07:13.080 Soledad Ursua: Okay chair report so as I want to thank everyone for coming as most of you know, we have had a change in administration, Jim euro's is now the President of the Venice neighborhood Council. 77 00:07:13.740 --> 00:07:24.570 Soledad Ursua: And we are still having our meeting, so I want to thank everyone for coming, and as I just mentioned, we are going to have a little bit of a change up where lapd is now going to be presenting to the full dnc board. 78 00:07:25.650 --> 00:07:29.550 Soledad Ursua: But with that are there any committee Member announcements. 79 00:07:31.410 --> 00:07:38.040 Soledad Ursua: We ask a question I was, I was hoping, I was hoping, you could give us an update on your on. 80 00:07:39.780 --> 00:07:40.890 Soledad Ursua: Your night out last night. 81 00:07:42.090 --> 00:07:44.070 Chie Lunn: yeah hi can everyone hear me okay. 82 00:07:45.030 --> 00:07:45.330 Yes. 83 00:07:46.500 --> 00:07:56.700 Chie Lunn: hi so the national night out was a great success, we had an amazing turnout, the police came out, of course, we had the sheriff's department. 84 00:07:57.120 --> 00:08:04.560 Chie Lunn: represented tons of local communities, such as the helper foundation, the Venice clinic and so many others. 85 00:08:05.070 --> 00:08:16.890 Chie Lunn: It was a it was just a really positive connection for the Community, thank you for everyone who's on the meeting tonight who attended, we appreciate it, and we hope to have much more meetings like this and gatherings like this in the future. 86 00:08:18.210 --> 00:08:18.480 Chie Lunn: yeah. 87 00:08:20.610 --> 00:08:21.000 Helen Fallon: I have a. 88 00:08:23.190 --> 00:08:37.440 Helen Fallon: Procedural i'm going forward if the police are not at our committee, how do we are we just going to submit questions from our committee that we would like address, since there are public health and safety issues that do involve the police and. 89 00:08:37.980 --> 00:08:39.990 Soledad Ursua: When they were reporting to the board. 90 00:08:40.020 --> 00:08:43.410 Helen Fallon: There was no there was no ability for the public to interrupt. 91 00:08:44.820 --> 00:08:46.170 Soledad Ursua: Jim why don't you take this. 92 00:08:46.920 --> 00:09:01.530 james murez: yeah hi so the the intent of the board at this point is to have your committee, the public safety, public health and safety committee, they say that right. 93 00:09:03.420 --> 00:09:25.110 james murez: To to put together as clearly as possible, prior to the outcome meeting whatever questions, we want to have for lapd so we can present them to lapd prior to the meeting and then, giving them the opportunity to respond to those questions I think it's going to depend to some extent. 94 00:09:26.370 --> 00:09:30.990 james murez: How much time and how much cooperation that's me. 95 00:09:32.280 --> 00:09:33.420 james murez: hold on sorry. 96 00:09:35.400 --> 00:09:36.450 james murez: As our Vice President. 97 00:09:37.800 --> 00:09:39.630 james murez: iphones are responding alright well. 98 00:09:41.580 --> 00:09:43.200 james murez: To call her back um. 99 00:09:44.700 --> 00:10:03.540 james murez: Any way to to to to have the questions country your committee and then, if we have time on the board meeting, we will decide at that point if we're going to take one or two or 10 minutes of questions, the idea is is that we don't want to hit them up with a whole bunch of off the wall. 100 00:10:05.970 --> 00:10:14.970 james murez: Questions that they didn't have a chance to research and respond to and you guys were doing a real good job of it but there's just been a lot of people that have said they would like to have the lapd. 101 00:10:15.630 --> 00:10:21.840 james murez: address the larger audience, and so I think the intent at this point is to go with the larger audience. 102 00:10:23.130 --> 00:10:33.060 james murez: And and we're also going to have time on every meeting going forward for each committee to be able to make a report, so you know, certainly if you wanted to report on something. 103 00:10:33.930 --> 00:10:39.510 james murez: you'll be able to do that the police are going to come as early on in the agenda as they arrive at the meeting. 104 00:10:39.900 --> 00:10:45.120 james murez: we're going to try and one of the problems that they've had with prior meetings and one of the things that they expressed to us. 105 00:10:45.660 --> 00:10:50.700 james murez: Was that when they would get to the dnc board meeting that they would have to wait around for 20 minutes or an hour. 106 00:10:51.330 --> 00:10:57.600 james murez: Before they got to speak, so I think what we're going to do, basically, is interrupt whatever we're working on at that point in time. 107 00:10:58.230 --> 00:11:03.900 james murez: So long as we continue to follow, whatever the robert's rules of order are and Helen you probably know that better than me. 108 00:11:04.560 --> 00:11:15.720 james murez: But we will allow we will interrupt and allow lapd to give their presentation and answer whatever questions we have for them and then we'll move back into our regular agenda. 109 00:11:17.250 --> 00:11:19.770 Helen Fallon: How much time, are you going to do to them sorry. 110 00:11:21.090 --> 00:11:23.430 james murez: um I don't know, do you have a suggestion. 111 00:11:24.180 --> 00:11:26.850 Helen Fallon: We were spending like 45 minutes right or so. 112 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.530 Helen Fallon: So it's a lot of time and I know you guys want to streamline your meeting so. 113 00:11:32.220 --> 00:11:42.060 Soledad Ursua: yeah I was gonna say why don't we figure this out offline on deputy chief hogan is here with us he's now the star of the Public Health and Safety Committee meeting. 114 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:50.370 Soledad Ursua: But he has a hard stop at six so with that Eva would do you have a board or a committee Member comments, so we can get on with this. 115 00:11:54.270 --> 00:11:56.910 james murez: Eva you gotta unmute yourself, Eva. 116 00:11:58.080 --> 00:11:58.470 EVA GREENE: No. 117 00:11:58.980 --> 00:12:05.220 EVA GREENE: I think you guys just said that we're going to take this offline regarding the nc and the police, so thank you. 118 00:12:06.750 --> 00:12:07.440 Soledad Ursua: Okay, great. 119 00:12:07.770 --> 00:12:10.860 Soledad Ursua: Alright alright with that yep all right, thank you, Jim. 120 00:12:11.490 --> 00:12:17.070 Soledad Ursua: So is everybody remembers deputy chief hogging is here with us from the La fire department. 121 00:12:17.490 --> 00:12:30.480 Soledad Ursua: And we also have Jim rob with us as a panelist since he is on the ocean from what committee and we thought it would be so great to have him on because one of our biggest areas of interest is really understanding. 122 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:38.400 Soledad Ursua: The pilot program Oh, and I just remembered, we need to take public comment, so if you want to make a public comment, please raise your hand. 123 00:12:38.700 --> 00:12:52.470 Soledad Ursua: Remember lapd is not here with us tonight so either be for public health and safety issues, maybe it's something that you would like deputy chief hogan to respond to you on so raise your hands, and we will get our clock ready. 124 00:12:55.980 --> 00:12:59.820 Allan Parsons: See folks first one is a Sean o'brien. 125 00:13:02.130 --> 00:13:02.910 One second. 126 00:13:07.410 --> 00:13:08.910 Soledad Ursua: Sorry, let me get the clock up. 127 00:13:09.480 --> 00:13:10.260 sean obrien: guys, can you hear me. 128 00:13:11.760 --> 00:13:14.550 Soledad Ursua: hold on one second you're gonna have one minute. 129 00:13:14.640 --> 00:13:15.720 Soledad Ursua: All right, good go ahead. 130 00:13:15.900 --> 00:13:29.070 sean obrien: Welcome back everybody glad to see you thanks again for all your help of questions I had for the police and maybe it can be pushed off of like for the next meeting with the with the Venice neighborhood Council meeting. 131 00:13:31.350 --> 00:13:40.050 sean obrien: With the police are going to do, pro actively went in October, all these project room keys, especially on the cadillac of. 132 00:13:41.010 --> 00:13:53.820 sean obrien: expire, and then the people at the people still haven't found housing are they just going to allow them to go back onto the beach so i'd like him to be proactive and get information from Boston and St Joseph about all the. 133 00:13:54.600 --> 00:14:05.310 sean obrien: You know, progress those people are having made up until that we got three months, lastly, of i've noticed we've done a really good job around the Venice median and the parking lots. 134 00:14:06.240 --> 00:14:23.940 sean obrien: Over the weekend I did notice on Pacific avenue all the tents, are on the dirt there that's private property that bid in the police keep clear so i'd like to see that happen, and I believe contrary, this is the slo for that area correct. 135 00:14:26.370 --> 00:14:27.660 Soledad Ursua: Alright, thank you Sean. 136 00:14:29.100 --> 00:14:30.990 Soledad Ursua: Ellen do we have anyone next. 137 00:14:33.900 --> 00:14:34.530 Allan Parsons: To me, Nick and. 138 00:14:38.940 --> 00:14:41.550 Soledad Ursua: Nick when you say your name, I will start the clock for you. 139 00:14:44.040 --> 00:14:45.210 Nick Antonicello: Nick at the cello. 140 00:14:47.250 --> 00:14:54.990 Nick Antonicello: I hadn't gone, I had a couple of procedural recommendations, you need to call the role before the meeting starts. 141 00:14:56.070 --> 00:15:07.710 Nick Antonicello: Secondly, as Chair you entertain motions in seconds you don't make motions so as Chair it's always better to entertain a motion and get a second my question regarding. 142 00:15:08.640 --> 00:15:18.900 Nick Antonicello: The deputy chief is a question I asked previously regarding equipment from 63 down at ocean front wall, where the police substation it. 143 00:15:19.530 --> 00:15:40.260 Nick Antonicello: Is there any consideration to having a fire truck or the appropriate equipment at the substation on a full time basis, so when there is a potential fire accident of some sort that the equipment is already there versus having the dead from Venice boulevard Thank you. 144 00:15:43.980 --> 00:15:44.760 Soledad Ursua: Thank you, Nick. 145 00:15:46.530 --> 00:15:48.030 Soledad Ursua: Alan do we have anyone else. 146 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:48.900 So. 147 00:15:50.040 --> 00:15:59.640 Soledad Ursua: Okay, great so with that why don't we now turn over to our deputy chief Armando hogan from La fire department. 148 00:16:01.200 --> 00:16:06.150 Soledad Ursua: And what I think we're really interested in is just an update from you it's great to have you back. 149 00:16:06.510 --> 00:16:12.150 Soledad Ursua: we're looking to get some feedback on your pilot program that you started I think there's some people who probably don't really know what that is. 150 00:16:12.450 --> 00:16:25.380 Soledad Ursua: If you could tell us more about it, some of your stats on it, and then I think we have other questions about some high profile fires that have happened, and if there's any resolution so with that why don't I let you go ahead. 151 00:16:26.340 --> 00:16:34.770 Armando Hogan: Thank you very much and it's always a pleasure to be here with the public health and safety from the Venice neighborhood Council, thank you for all that you do. 152 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:38.550 Armando Hogan: As mentioned that you heard from so dad. 153 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:48.180 Armando Hogan: just wanted to give you an update so For those of you who aren't aware, we have what we call the pH which stands for persons experiencing homelessness. 154 00:16:48.690 --> 00:17:00.420 Armando Hogan: Pilot program which was basically a 90 day undertaking and basically that originated from some of the challenges I received from some of you on the call about what is la fd doing. 155 00:17:00.990 --> 00:17:12.450 Armando Hogan: So one of the things that we wanted to do was try to be more of a presence there, so with this program we had apparatus there that were dedicated 10 hours a day, and now we're up to about five days a week. 156 00:17:13.260 --> 00:17:19.980 Armando Hogan: Basically, what we were looking at was being a presence and trying to be a deterrent and to see how we can better determine how to stop. 157 00:17:20.340 --> 00:17:30.450 Armando Hogan: The fires that were being started in the encampments So what we ended up doing we had deployed fast response vehicles, where you see Fr V on the side of them. 158 00:17:30.840 --> 00:17:39.480 Armando Hogan: and basically they were to traverse areas, the boardwalk rose and third Hampton sunset. 159 00:17:40.290 --> 00:17:46.440 Armando Hogan: brooks and the boardwalk all of those different areas, just so that we can get an idea of what some of the challenges were. 160 00:17:46.800 --> 00:17:58.290 Armando Hogan: And their job number one was to be a determine, as I mentioned, but also be a presence to try to determine what else can we do meaning, one of the biggest issues that we saw is folks out there cooking. 161 00:17:58.860 --> 00:18:05.820 Armando Hogan: So if they're cooking obviously they're hungry, so what I had originally instructed my folks to do was put out any and all fires. 162 00:18:06.090 --> 00:18:17.040 Armando Hogan: Irrespective of what they were warming fires cooking fires, and of course the third types of fires, we saw there were spite meaning pH on pH, for whatever reason. 163 00:18:17.550 --> 00:18:20.880 Armando Hogan: So coming there and seeing a lot of these folks cooking. 164 00:18:21.360 --> 00:18:30.780 Armando Hogan: I asked him to change this change our thought process and the reason for that was because I know I get hungry and probably get a little evil and punchy if I don't get to eat. 165 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:37.770 Armando Hogan: So we looked at versus us putting that fire out allowing the folks to cook have our people standby. 166 00:18:38.130 --> 00:18:44.460 Armando Hogan: And then, after they have finished the cooking kind of educate them on how to discard the materials and the supplies. 167 00:18:44.760 --> 00:18:52.200 Armando Hogan: And it's really worked for us because within this 90 day period we've had for fires period, meaning and encampments now. 168 00:18:52.470 --> 00:19:06.420 Armando Hogan: We had a and i'm just speaking about the Venice area because we've had one or two fires and mar vista and, mind you, the pilot program my resources are dedicated in Venice and those fires that were started to wear. 169 00:19:07.650 --> 00:19:17.190 Armando Hogan: From cooking or warming and then the other two were basically a criminal element with those so and two of those fires were on. 170 00:19:17.760 --> 00:19:25.650 Armando Hogan: Third and rows and then we had one fire on the boardwalk so our folks were able to. 171 00:19:26.070 --> 00:19:42.420 Armando Hogan: be there to address those issues we establish some relationships, so that we can break down that average adversarial aspect, because my folks kind of went out, and I would usually go out on Fridays and walk with the folks from St josephs from. 172 00:19:43.470 --> 00:19:58.170 Armando Hogan: Lhasa from the HR see and also some of the drug interventionists who are also accompanied us on those so just so I can get a better idea of what's going on what's the size what's the complexity what's the scope. 173 00:19:58.620 --> 00:20:07.290 Armando Hogan: So during this time we I wanted to document every contact, we made irrespective of what it was so, for example. 174 00:20:07.920 --> 00:20:15.090 Armando Hogan: If someone was cooking or they had a portable generator my expectation was for my people to go over talk with him about it. 175 00:20:15.450 --> 00:20:23.700 Armando Hogan: look to see where they were getting their power from where are they storing gasoline because you know everything was being hidden into the tank under the tense. 176 00:20:24.660 --> 00:20:35.640 Armando Hogan: So what that allowed us to do was do a better job of educating because I had to be mindful of some semblance of quality of life, but also how can I keep things somewhat. 177 00:20:37.140 --> 00:20:37.920 Armando Hogan: fire. 178 00:20:39.330 --> 00:20:46.530 Armando Hogan: You know limit fire activity without the aspect of creating any additional animals, so I really wanted to balance that. 179 00:20:47.010 --> 00:20:54.330 Armando Hogan: So of those we ended up having about 300 contacts, thus far, and the pilot program doesn't end until August seven. 180 00:20:54.750 --> 00:20:59.970 Armando Hogan: I spoke with our fire chief today so we're looking at the possibility of continuing or extending the pilot. 181 00:21:00.330 --> 00:21:06.150 Armando Hogan: So, the main thing that we wanted to do in this issue was to be a presence in the Community to educate. 182 00:21:06.450 --> 00:21:17.490 Armando Hogan: To take preventative measures to make sure folks knew hey here are the dangers here are our concerns and then also one of the things that i'm very proud of it kind of motivated some of the other city agencies as you see. 183 00:21:17.760 --> 00:21:28.470 Armando Hogan: What they're doing there on the boardwalk now even the sheriff's with their limited intervention, but at least you know they came out to be a presence so we're looking to see what we can do more of. 184 00:21:28.890 --> 00:21:36.000 Armando Hogan: I think I heard one of the previous folks speaking asking about Okay, what happens after we do all this. 185 00:21:36.390 --> 00:21:41.910 Armando Hogan: initial work and will continue to work with the Council office you know, to see how the fire department, can be a presence. 186 00:21:42.300 --> 00:21:50.340 Armando Hogan: But the biggest thing for us, and I was able to gather data on a daily basis and at some point time as soon as everything is completed. 187 00:21:50.790 --> 00:22:02.310 Armando Hogan: i'll be able to show you how we gather that data, and what that looks like so on a daily basis or right now I can pick up my phone because it's on all of our handheld devices and I can look at who's working. 188 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:18.030 Armando Hogan: I can also show how much contacts they've had for that particular day month whatever and it automatically creates a pie chart to give me a percentage of time of what they're doing also I document, how long was that interaction. 189 00:22:18.510 --> 00:22:26.550 Armando Hogan: And it will range from 15 minutes to all the way to two hours you know, depending on what we're trying to do and how we're trying to provide assistance. 190 00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:42.750 Armando Hogan: And one of the biggest things that our folks have become, and you know you got to have the right personality for doing something like this is they've been great ambassadors for the La fd so to the gentleman's question about us probably having equipment there at the. 191 00:22:44.340 --> 00:22:55.740 Armando Hogan: substation my goal is to have that vehicle there because I don't like to leave equipment there because there's maintenance involved with it, and so forth, and sometimes it just creates challenges, because the leave that with lapd. 192 00:22:56.790 --> 00:23:08.760 Armando Hogan: You know I don't know how that's going to work, so I want to keep that in our folks hands and that Fr V that fast response vehicle never goes back to the fire station it stays out there and patrols for that 10 hours. 193 00:23:09.390 --> 00:23:17.220 Armando Hogan: One of the things that the data has shown me is the fact that we have challenges in the early am hours, when people are cooking. 194 00:23:17.730 --> 00:23:21.330 Armando Hogan: And then, sometimes there's you know, the issue of some of the criminal element that takes. 195 00:23:21.930 --> 00:23:34.320 Armando Hogan: place in the early morning hours and then in the evening likes from five to about 10 or 11 o'clock at night there's some issues there we rarely have any issues from like 11 o'clock to about. 196 00:23:34.800 --> 00:23:38.940 Armando Hogan: Three o'clock in the morning, but for some reason at three or one to about seven. 197 00:23:39.840 --> 00:23:49.710 Armando Hogan: I don't know folks are waking up or coming back from a night out or whatever, but we've had some activity there, so I don't have a 24 hour resource yet based on. 198 00:23:50.130 --> 00:23:58.860 Armando Hogan: Budget, but even when the fast response vehicle goes off shift, I still have the fire station and that and those resources there to respond. 199 00:23:59.310 --> 00:24:07.140 Armando Hogan: So everybody in the battalion knows about it and because i've taken a personal interest where, as I mentioned early I actually walked the location. 200 00:24:07.500 --> 00:24:15.510 Armando Hogan: It gives me a pretty good understanding on just some of the things that we need to do, but it also gives me more of a humanistic approach in terms of. 201 00:24:15.900 --> 00:24:27.120 Armando Hogan: You know what can we do that is going to be continuous and not something that is just on a short term basis and can this be sustainable and I think the model that we've created in the fire department. 202 00:24:27.570 --> 00:24:41.940 Armando Hogan: is sustainable, you know, provided, I have the staffing to staff because i've got the resources i've got the equipment I just got to have the bodies to be able to implement it so uh I think I answered those questions if there are. 203 00:24:41.970 --> 00:24:43.890 Soledad Ursua: Any questions I have. 204 00:24:43.980 --> 00:24:55.320 Soledad Ursua: For you, let me share my screen really fast, because we know that i'm because you're talking about the pilot response, so this is something that happened at you know 940 at night. 205 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.470 Soledad Ursua: So we're guessing that this is not really within the pilot. 206 00:24:58.470 --> 00:25:02.730 Soledad Ursua: program you know this is kind of what most residents are afraid of. 207 00:25:03.990 --> 00:25:16.530 Soledad Ursua: Just these fires that are happening on the boardwalk do you believe that you know, maybe what needs to happen is you know, a longer pilot program where we have the frb they're like you know overnight. 208 00:25:17.430 --> 00:25:21.360 Armando Hogan: yeah and I don't know if I can justify the existence overnight because. 209 00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:28.140 Armando Hogan: You know, and I get it, so that you could show me something to happen on one day, but when I look at the entire body of work. 210 00:25:28.470 --> 00:25:38.760 Armando Hogan: Right, and I can show you 30 days that that didn't happen, so I agree, because, as I mentioned earlier, from like five o'clock till about 10 o'clock and you just said it was about a quarter to 10. 211 00:25:39.030 --> 00:25:49.320 Armando Hogan: So I know I have a hole there and that needs to be addressed, so what i'm looking to do is to flex those hours so maybe not starting at seven in the morning started 12 noon, or one o'clock. 212 00:25:49.560 --> 00:25:54.000 Armando Hogan: And that way i've got them there to possibly midnight so Those are some of the things but. 213 00:25:54.360 --> 00:26:08.580 Armando Hogan: Mind you, I have to be aware of wages hours and working conditions so that's sometimes I have to negotiate that with Labor because that's not a standard hour for us so because of that Those are some of the challenges that I faced but to your point. 214 00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:22.350 Armando Hogan: Yes, hi i'm looking to expand that at least from a FLEX staffing time because I need to incorporate those areas where I know i'm going to see the most challenges and that's usually from. 215 00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:32.130 Armando Hogan: Like I said the early morning hours like 4am to about seven and then usually from about five o'clock and that will probably change when the time. 216 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:44.730 Armando Hogan: Changes a little bit when it gets darker earlier, and then I may be able to fill that gap, but also in conjunction with them doing the sweeps on the boardwalk will hopefully alleviate that challenge that you just show. 217 00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:46.290 Armando Hogan: Okay. 218 00:26:46.530 --> 00:26:57.870 Soledad Ursua: And I know you have a hard 6pm stop So let me ask you on one before we go to committee Member questions on could you give us some updates or possibly even some closure on some of our high profile. 219 00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:07.620 Soledad Ursua: Fires you know, for instance, the ocean front walk building that was destroyed in a fire and then also the clubhouse fire, do you have any updates on those two fires for us yeah. 220 00:27:07.710 --> 00:27:19.530 Armando Hogan: The boardwalk of fire and for those of you who are not aware, we have actual footage video foot feet on that from the building next door the building that's immediately to the south of that. 221 00:27:20.820 --> 00:27:28.620 Armando Hogan: The involved building or impacted building and basically about 20 minutes prior to that fire starting you see somebody leaving a tent. 222 00:27:29.100 --> 00:27:41.130 Armando Hogan: right that we don't really have a good view of and then probably and it was almost about 17 minutes or so, then you can see a fire, starting from the 10 so. 223 00:27:41.610 --> 00:27:46.740 Armando Hogan: We don't necessarily think it was malicious I think it was probably one of those things where somebody was warming. 224 00:27:47.550 --> 00:27:57.420 Armando Hogan: themselves, and that was the end result so as it stands right now we we know how the fire started, but we don't have the individual to interview. 225 00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:13.890 Armando Hogan: Right so basically we have a person of interest, but the video feed is not good enough for us to be able to say here's the guy but in the meantime we're still looking to see meaning our arson investigators and one more thing I want to share with you that this pilot program has. 226 00:28:14.940 --> 00:28:22.860 Armando Hogan: really got me to thinking i'm also exploring the option has it has not happened yet so i'm just kind of giving you my thoughts as we move forward. 227 00:28:23.370 --> 00:28:30.180 Armando Hogan: Is I want to have arson investigators respond with my responding resources so, for example. 228 00:28:30.600 --> 00:28:36.780 Armando Hogan: versus having or expecting a captain to pick up the phone and call my arson investigators, the ones that are either on. 229 00:28:37.080 --> 00:28:45.270 Armando Hogan: 10 hour shifts or 24 hour shifts they're just part of the initial dispatch so if there's a rubbish fire garbage fire, you know. 230 00:28:45.900 --> 00:28:50.010 Armando Hogan: single family dwelling that they're you know in and around an encampment. 231 00:28:50.310 --> 00:28:58.470 Armando Hogan: Then, that would be an automatic arson response so, then I can take away the ability for my captain's to triage and say well do I need to let. 232 00:28:58.710 --> 00:29:06.540 Armando Hogan: arsenault is this an encampment fire, is it not, because sometimes it's that fine line where there's an encampment 15 feet down. 233 00:29:06.750 --> 00:29:14.010 Armando Hogan: And a rubbish fire at the corner so is that an encampment fire or is that just rubbish fire well probably somebody from the encampment may have started that. 234 00:29:14.190 --> 00:29:20.640 Armando Hogan: So that way, bringing my arson investigators there when my resources are available again to go back and provide service. 235 00:29:20.850 --> 00:29:29.490 Armando Hogan: i've got that continual oversight so that's something else i'm exploring based on this program and I think that's going to help us a lot more getting my arson investigators there. 236 00:29:29.850 --> 00:29:37.020 Armando Hogan: Right after the same versus waiting a while, then somebody you know I see the stats come out and go wait a minute, this was a rubbish fire where was it. 237 00:29:37.290 --> 00:29:45.150 Armando Hogan: Was there and kept me close by oh yeah chief it was OK now i'm sending are sent out a day or two later and then obviously circumstances may have changed. 238 00:29:47.610 --> 00:29:49.740 Soledad Ursua: Okay, and what about the clubhouse fire. 239 00:29:50.430 --> 00:29:53.310 Armando Hogan: Is that the one when you say clubhouse is that the one with the. 240 00:29:54.660 --> 00:29:55.290 Armando Hogan: With the. 241 00:29:56.310 --> 00:29:58.680 Soledad Ursua: doctor woman who's her dog. 242 00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:00.210 Armando Hogan: died in the far yeah. 243 00:30:00.270 --> 00:30:03.930 Armando Hogan: Now there is no evidence that said that was a. 244 00:30:05.310 --> 00:30:09.330 Armando Hogan: done by a homeless person so that one is still under investigation. 245 00:30:10.140 --> 00:30:21.210 Armando Hogan: A lot of the information that my arson investigators were able to determine for this point was it was not at fire that started from the outside, in which would usually indicate somebody else. 246 00:30:21.540 --> 00:30:26.520 Armando Hogan: Doing that so that remains under investigation at this point in time, there are no witnesses and no. 247 00:30:26.850 --> 00:30:34.530 Armando Hogan: suspects, there was some discussion about they heard people rumbling the trash cans and things of that nature, but they were not able to be able to identify. 248 00:30:34.830 --> 00:30:40.350 Armando Hogan: This is the person we saw and had a clear cut timeline of when that took place. 249 00:30:40.860 --> 00:30:52.860 Armando Hogan: So both both of those are still under investigation because we're trying to look for either a person of interest or a suspect in those cases, and my arson guys will continue to to try to track down those leads. 250 00:30:55.080 --> 00:30:59.580 Soledad Ursua: So what did I open this up to some committee Member cross questions on. 251 00:31:00.810 --> 00:31:03.210 Soledad Ursua: john begin ski um why don't you go ahead. 252 00:31:04.470 --> 00:31:08.760 Jack Baginski: Really quick, I just want to make sure I thought you said that wasn't outside in. 253 00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:10.110 yeah. 254 00:31:11.190 --> 00:31:21.630 Armando Hogan: It does not show that the fire started outside of the home and into the House there's no evidence of that so that's why our folks are still looking to see what the potential cause was on the. 255 00:31:23.280 --> 00:31:25.500 Jack Baginski: inside out or you just don't know where it originated from. 256 00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.160 Armando Hogan: i'm sorry say that again jack I can barely hear you I apologize. 257 00:31:30.150 --> 00:31:34.440 Jack Baginski: But instead it was from inside out or you just don't know where it originated from it, this. 258 00:31:34.500 --> 00:31:47.520 Armando Hogan: Week we're not quite clear meeting my arson guys aren't clear on where it originated at this time, but there's no evidence that says hey a Molotov cocktail was thrown in the fire started out here, then the path of travel went there so that's where we are on that. 259 00:31:48.630 --> 00:31:59.610 Jack Baginski: My second question is, we really Venice neighborhood Council Health and Safety Committee was very interested in sort of proactively, making sure, a lot of these and kamins for away from structures personal property. 260 00:32:00.420 --> 00:32:07.500 Jack Baginski: So if there wasn't fact to fire people were safe, I know that there was a lot of reasons, a lot of reluctance to move people. 261 00:32:08.280 --> 00:32:20.100 Jack Baginski: away from those and I even know at the time, your rapid response team was not going to ask them to move on, last time we asked Is that still your position because I still think that that. 262 00:32:20.520 --> 00:32:33.210 Jack Baginski: proactively getting people away from it away from fire, you know buildings properties cars are still is, and I think somehow with clearing the boardwalk that may be a lot less or have an issue but. 263 00:32:34.110 --> 00:32:42.210 Jack Baginski: I would like to see that part of that team's effort is just to move people away from you will. 264 00:32:43.710 --> 00:32:52.320 Armando Hogan: yeah we don't have the authority to move any of those tense now after and I know you're probably saying this is more reactionary than being a. 265 00:32:52.980 --> 00:33:02.400 Armando Hogan: proactive, but the challenge we run into is we don't have the enforcement arm on that, so what we're looking to do when I talk about the contacts we make is try to educate. 266 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:11.340 Armando Hogan: Those folks, for example on third and rose, because you guys already see what's happening on the boardwalk but on third and rose right right here by Venice. 267 00:33:11.820 --> 00:33:16.950 Armando Hogan: Choose me by the gold's gym and those areas there so you've got a lot of that probably aren't even. 268 00:33:17.820 --> 00:33:25.740 Armando Hogan: 10s you know they're like actual like structures for the most part, and so one of the thing I met with the folks at gold's gym and said okay. 269 00:33:26.310 --> 00:33:33.480 Armando Hogan: You know what is it that we can do, how can we work together on this and the biggest issue is even when people get moved they come back. 270 00:33:34.080 --> 00:33:39.180 Armando Hogan: Right so let's say somebody does pick up and move because they found find housing. 271 00:33:39.870 --> 00:33:48.960 Armando Hogan: For them, or another place to go, the challenge is somebody else comes in grabs that spot and we don't have the ability to stop them from doing that right so. 272 00:33:49.170 --> 00:33:53.520 Armando Hogan: My folks go off the clock and whatever time they go off the clock come back the next day and go wait a minute. 273 00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:06.990 Armando Hogan: We just had this we just got this person housing, who is this it's never the same person there's a gentleman on third rose an elderly couple, not just a gentleman, but an elderly couple, and he builds birdhouses. 274 00:34:07.530 --> 00:34:17.880 Armando Hogan: There right and I was told he wanted housing So the first thing my folks will do, because, as we walk in past questions on how we can be more of assistance. 275 00:34:18.210 --> 00:34:31.050 Armando Hogan: You know, then we have to refer that to someone else, and I have to be honest, you know it's difficult for us to try to follow up when I keep going back down there on my Fridays, and I see the gentleman still making birdhouses you know they're. 276 00:34:31.680 --> 00:34:36.300 Armando Hogan: You know right there on on third you know just south of rows so like I said I. 277 00:34:36.870 --> 00:34:43.950 Armando Hogan: there's some things we can do and i've got to really focus on my lane on what I can get accomplished versus trying to address all of that. 278 00:34:44.220 --> 00:34:51.330 Armando Hogan: But to your point we're looking at that we were able to have some success when we got the city attorney involved on some of the structures over near. 279 00:34:52.470 --> 00:35:05.160 Armando Hogan: Lincoln just west of Lincoln there were guy it almost built like a two story encampment there, so we got that one to move because of the obvious hazard presented. 280 00:35:05.580 --> 00:35:15.000 Armando Hogan: versus a lot of these places, being in businesses that are no longer operable, and then they've just got them there and we have to be mindful of their belongings. 281 00:35:15.330 --> 00:35:19.380 Armando Hogan: You know, can you take it, I mean to some of us it's like why can't you just throw that away. 282 00:35:19.740 --> 00:35:28.590 Armando Hogan: city attorney has already said, those are their belongings, you have to ask before you can do it, and then there's a lot of other red tape so i've got to have my focus more on. 283 00:35:29.040 --> 00:35:44.640 Armando Hogan: Can I stop fires, which is my goal, and which I feel like we've probably done about a 96% job if I were to give a percentage to it, however, I have to focus on what can the LSD do versus what I would like to see done overall if that answers your question. 284 00:35:47.730 --> 00:35:52.020 Soledad Ursua: Jim rob you're our guest panelists why don't you go ahead and ask a question. 285 00:35:53.010 --> 00:36:10.950 jim robb: Thank you, thank you again for inviting me and thanks for all your hard work, Mr hogan I got a couple questions I know we were working on installing bollards in certain areas of the boardwalk and I got three or four calls today cars driving down the boardwalk. 286 00:36:12.480 --> 00:36:18.990 jim robb: I think they're doing some fencing and stuff which might cause you guys a problem, I believe, on Westminster. 287 00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:26.130 jim robb: There, there are approving some certain budgets, but I think that it's going to affect some of your work and some of your accessibility. 288 00:36:26.490 --> 00:36:45.420 jim robb: So i'm kind of wanted you to touch on that, and then I I had another call about a homeless encampment underneath the Venice Pier again, which, as you will know it cost us a couple million dollars to get that thing figured out so Those are the two questions I have offhand right now. 289 00:36:45.870 --> 00:36:50.010 Armando Hogan: i'll take the second question first, and you know, Jim I always love your heads. 290 00:36:50.070 --> 00:36:51.750 Armando Hogan: So I just have to say that there's before. 291 00:36:51.750 --> 00:36:58.650 Armando Hogan: I go any further, but jack you've got a nice had to but he's got Venice on his so I want to make sure i'm not creating division here. 292 00:36:59.700 --> 00:37:06.720 Armando Hogan: So, as it relates to the encampment under the Pier that is being addressed, my understanding is that should be taken care of. 293 00:37:06.990 --> 00:37:18.690 Armando Hogan: Now, because I received some pictures so we're working with the folks at the substation in addition to my Fr V, so I will follow up on that tomorrow and then i'll send soledad an email after I get that information. 294 00:37:19.260 --> 00:37:24.570 Armando Hogan: To confirm that that has been moved, because we have another one that we're addressing tomorrow. 295 00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:30.930 Armando Hogan: Right off a scent anello that's under the bridge there because a lot of the folks once again once this becomes. 296 00:37:31.260 --> 00:37:38.220 Armando Hogan: On the spotlight right everybody kind of goes underground or goes looking for concealment, which is the same thing they were doing with. 297 00:37:38.610 --> 00:37:51.180 Armando Hogan: You know the warming fires and the cooking fire, so we are aware of that, thank you and that's being a dress so and I like I said i'll get back to soledad on that and let you know when that's been removed, but. 298 00:37:51.630 --> 00:37:53.580 Armando Hogan: I need you guys to understand something. 299 00:37:53.940 --> 00:38:07.500 Armando Hogan: as quick as we can remove that you know, then we turn our head and then somebody right back there again and it's not the same person right, so you guys look at me and go, I thought you said we clean that out well, we did on Tuesday, but today's Wednesday. 300 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:15.750 Armando Hogan: You know what I mean so just so you understand that, now that does should not stop you or deter you from still reaching out, and if you say chief open they're still there. 301 00:38:16.080 --> 00:38:25.560 Armando Hogan: Then i'm going to send my folks back over there, to take a look, and then will utilize the resources that are working there on Venice beach if that did I answer your question on that Jim. 302 00:38:26.580 --> 00:38:29.430 jim robb: pepper, thank you for doing that and i'll keep i'll keep it updated. 303 00:38:29.790 --> 00:38:33.420 Armando Hogan: Okay, and then the first question that you asked about the bollards. 304 00:38:34.290 --> 00:38:40.530 Armando Hogan: We really wanted to jump in on that because you know, this goes back about 10 years when the person was driving on the boardwalk. 305 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:51.000 Armando Hogan: So right now they've got the standalone bollards that are like on brooks you know in between speedway and the boardwalk and the ones that are East and West. 306 00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:59.640 Armando Hogan: are pretty much stationary we have the ability, and I have the key and my crews have the key where we can manually push those down. 307 00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:07.860 Armando Hogan: My concern with the bollards is always is making sure, as all of my hydrants are on speedway I don't have any hydrants on the boardwalk. 308 00:39:08.190 --> 00:39:18.990 Armando Hogan: So i'm always concerned about if we hook, up to a hydrant there, and with the holes that we use our four inch hose is that going to create a problem, meaning kick the hose and you know hinder. 309 00:39:19.470 --> 00:39:30.330 Armando Hogan: Water availability, so what we've done i've already reached out to dwp we're looking at putting hydrants and four locations, one is 17th avenue one is there, near horizon. 310 00:39:31.170 --> 00:39:43.200 Armando Hogan: One is that near brooks and then the other one at navy because navy is the furthest point before we get to Santa Monica so that way, if I can get hydrants there. 311 00:39:43.770 --> 00:39:50.880 Armando Hogan: When they put in the mechanical and the retractable bollards for the north or south portion of the boardwalk. 312 00:39:51.330 --> 00:39:57.750 Armando Hogan: will be able to respond and hopefully that'll be minimal impact and I don't have to worry about the King king of the holes or. 313 00:39:58.350 --> 00:40:10.380 Armando Hogan: Not having enough access for the water to be able to travel through so we're already working on those things my fire chief and Marty Adams who's the general manager at a water and power are already in conversation, because they are. 314 00:40:11.250 --> 00:40:19.470 Armando Hogan: bolstering the mains there on the beach so they're already dwp is already doing a project we just want to jump in of course cost is always the issue. 315 00:40:19.770 --> 00:40:30.810 Armando Hogan: So you know i'm kind of telling them hey you guys got more money than the city, so how about you know, taking care of this so that's where we are on those two items, but we are aware, right now we are. 316 00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:46.350 Armando Hogan: going to get a demonstration on what those bollards are going to look like meeting on the east, excuse me, north, south portions of the boardwalk and then that way we'll have a better idea of you know what type of impact that's going to have on us before they're actually installed. 317 00:40:47.520 --> 00:40:56.370 jim robb: There was one other question I got from it was actually from another dnc member is on Westminster, I think, between speedway and. 318 00:40:56.880 --> 00:41:06.540 jim robb: ocean front walk they're doing some sort of gate or something like it's going to be a pedestrian sitting area, maybe for the restaurants or something. 319 00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:13.440 jim robb: And I don't think this is actually a bollard I think it's a gate and I think there may be issues with it, I don't know if you are aware of that or not. 320 00:41:13.740 --> 00:41:20.520 Armando Hogan: yeah a lot of times there has to be some protection when they install hydrants but one of the things that they're looking to do is. 321 00:41:21.390 --> 00:41:32.790 Armando Hogan: When the encampments begin to impact businesses, one of the things that they looked at doing was putting like you know outdoor dining is basically what it comes down to in that area. 322 00:41:33.180 --> 00:41:40.380 Armando Hogan: So they have to be able to control the flow right because people could be riding bikes and things of that nature so that's why they're putting that fence or again. 323 00:41:40.770 --> 00:41:50.880 Armando Hogan: And then also what hopefully that will do is keep folks having any encampments spring up there, so they're looking to see how they can add to business community. 324 00:41:51.210 --> 00:42:05.280 Armando Hogan: kind of reduce the spread of the encampments and then, most importantly, give people a safe place to die, so all of that is being considered bureau of engineering is looking at all of those aspects and, as are we, because I have to look at access points to get my. 325 00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:06.330 Armando Hogan: People in and around. 326 00:42:06.420 --> 00:42:08.310 jim robb: So okay exactly Thank you. 327 00:42:08.670 --> 00:42:09.210 Armando Hogan: you're welcome. 328 00:42:10.200 --> 00:42:16.230 Soledad Ursua: All right, Helen why don't you go ahead and ask your question and let's remember, we only have about 15 minutes left. 329 00:42:16.260 --> 00:42:17.040 Helen Fallon: Where i'm. 330 00:42:18.060 --> 00:42:27.570 Helen Fallon: i'm I just want to verify that now the trash buyers, is there any or an encampment or label and kampmann fires that's correct, I mean you change that reporting. 331 00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:32.970 Armando Hogan: yeah what we've done they'll they'll still come in as a rubbish fire or a garbage. 332 00:42:33.450 --> 00:42:44.070 Armando Hogan: fire, but when our folks do the report Helen there is a box there that says encampment so because it comes in, as rubbish because people will say there's a bunch of trash on fire across the street. 333 00:42:44.550 --> 00:42:54.360 Armando Hogan: right they don't necessarily say in Canada, when our folks get their part of the reporting that they do, they there's a box, that we can check that's entered into the computer that says it's an encampment fire. 334 00:42:55.050 --> 00:43:04.170 Helen Fallon: And then, as your team was going out do they keep track of they were keeping track or they were talking to various people did they keep track of them are there. 335 00:43:04.410 --> 00:43:12.600 Helen Fallon: They find that there were people who just repeat offenders, no matter how many times, you told them not to do something they did it, I mean what. 336 00:43:12.630 --> 00:43:13.140 Armando Hogan: yeah what. 337 00:43:13.860 --> 00:43:18.570 Helen Fallon: Did you find we're really kind of interested in compliance I guess is my question. 338 00:43:18.780 --> 00:43:27.390 Armando Hogan: Oh yeah when you talk about that the challenge with that is this in usually wasn't the same people that were doing it because, after we had a conversation. 339 00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:35.550 Armando Hogan: With those individuals, and you know don't get me wrong they could probably have done the same thing, there could have been a lot of negative negligent retention but. 340 00:43:36.060 --> 00:43:46.860 Armando Hogan: For the most part we ended up having to tell more people more of the people, the same thing versus the same person, the same thing if that makes sense, so. 341 00:43:47.070 --> 00:43:48.750 Armando Hogan: If I came up and talk to the. 342 00:43:48.960 --> 00:44:00.270 Armando Hogan: You know the nine of you and said okay I don't want to do a new oh hell and i'm talking to you then i'd have to go to Eva then i'd have to go to so the dad and basically say the same thing, we had a probably about a 43%. 343 00:44:00.870 --> 00:44:11.490 Armando Hogan: percentage of doing that versus the repeat offenders now one of the thing that happens, a lot and i'm sure you guys are aware there's a lot of street justice that takes place. 344 00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:26.430 Armando Hogan: In the encampments so depending on where you are like i've got to know some of the people who are but I guess, we can consider the so called shot callers so a lot of what takes place that we're finding out about is more of a. 345 00:44:27.090 --> 00:44:37.530 Armando Hogan: i'll just say a criminal element right where they're purposefully going after each other so it's not as much of the warming in the cooking as we thought. 346 00:44:37.560 --> 00:44:38.610 EVA GREENE: And that's one thing. 347 00:44:38.640 --> 00:44:46.980 Armando Hogan: that's difficult for us to address, because what you'll end up having is the people you see in the daytime there's a different element at night. 348 00:44:47.850 --> 00:44:54.960 Armando Hogan: Right so during the day, you may not see these folks and then you get there in the evening because I was out there one day at about eight o'clock and I was like wait a minute. 349 00:44:55.590 --> 00:45:03.690 Armando Hogan: You guys weren't here this morning right, so I don't know where because the folks were going back and forth in between third Hampton sunset rose. 350 00:45:04.050 --> 00:45:10.290 Armando Hogan: And then going to the beach and then leaving the beach and then coming back because remember when we had the encampments all the way on. 351 00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:19.620 Armando Hogan: rose east of Lincoln you know going over by pin mar so because my question was all right when we close this off where's everybody going. 352 00:45:19.980 --> 00:45:28.860 Armando Hogan: So everybody moved to the West some went to mar vista but most went to the beach so that's kind of the challenge that we had there, but to your question. 353 00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:40.800 Armando Hogan: I didn't see that a lot, where we had there was one person, but his issue was more of drugs, because he wanted to cook meth right here in the middle of the street now, as I add, I don't think I can let you do that show. 354 00:45:41.520 --> 00:45:46.470 Helen Fallon: And is your program do you feel, since this is a pilot is it scalable a way to address. 355 00:45:47.580 --> 00:45:53.100 Helen Fallon: In catlin fires that have happened across Los Angeles and other parts of CD 11. 356 00:45:53.580 --> 00:46:03.690 Armando Hogan: yeah and here's the the challenge that I face, for example, CD for wants to have this program right i've got issues in downtown la you know skid row. 357 00:46:04.830 --> 00:46:10.740 Armando Hogan: i've got challenges in the valley, so what the fire chief wants to do is try to at least give us one. 358 00:46:11.070 --> 00:46:21.150 Armando Hogan: F rv you know until we can look at staffing and possibly getting more because the Fr these are actually brush patrol rigs we kind of converted them based on this mission. 359 00:46:21.600 --> 00:46:33.330 Armando Hogan: And the brush patrols are what we're using for access out for brush fires and things of that nature, I can get two people out there for a quick rapid response into you know breast challenges that we faced. 360 00:46:33.600 --> 00:46:42.240 Armando Hogan: But we're looking to spread this out and, for me, we all have one, because we have four bureaus so there would be one that's assigned to me, I have to right now. 361 00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:50.400 Armando Hogan: So right now i'm stealing from my counterpart in the valley who's looking at me sideways and what am I going to get my resource back so. 362 00:46:50.820 --> 00:46:58.770 Armando Hogan: When this comes to an end i'll give him back his resource and then i'll rotate it i'm responsible for battalions for which is Venice in. 363 00:46:59.130 --> 00:47:09.450 Armando Hogan: la X and that area Italian five which is mostly Hollywood and then battalion nine, which is the palisades and that whole corridor so i'll even if need be, i'll rotate. 364 00:47:10.080 --> 00:47:25.500 Armando Hogan: That one resource like one day there'll be an Italian nine next day there'll be in battalion for next day there'll be in battalion five until I can look to see number one, how can I purchase more Fr vs or brush patrols and then I have to look at my staff. 365 00:47:26.550 --> 00:47:27.210 Armando Hogan: So. 366 00:47:27.870 --> 00:47:29.010 That that's the challenge. 367 00:47:30.810 --> 00:47:31.020 Soledad Ursua: I. 368 00:47:32.070 --> 00:47:35.550 Soledad Ursua: Remember let's let's we have very limited time limited time. 369 00:47:35.670 --> 00:47:37.410 EVA GREENE: hi well, I have a couple questions. 370 00:47:38.550 --> 00:47:43.680 EVA GREENE: You said something very interesting with regards to the criminal element that comes out at night. 371 00:47:44.160 --> 00:47:50.460 EVA GREENE: And that's that reminds me a lot of what happens in skid row where it's basically the gangs that have taken over. 372 00:47:50.760 --> 00:48:03.870 EVA GREENE: They basically rent out that space to the homeless, at least that's how it happens in skid row because i've done some research on it, and if they don't pay up, you know they either sell the drugs or there's prostitution and fall. 373 00:48:05.010 --> 00:48:10.980 EVA GREENE: Because you've mentioned that this criminal element is here, and I know that pen more, I think that was happening as well. 374 00:48:12.270 --> 00:48:20.430 EVA GREENE: Are you finding that to be true that it's more the gangs that come in at night, because you said it to people you don't recognize what you've seen during the daytime that's question one. 375 00:48:21.480 --> 00:48:30.510 Armando Hogan: yeah hi Eva I don't know that's gang past spec and when I say there's different folks there you know I, and I try not to. 376 00:48:31.170 --> 00:48:35.790 Armando Hogan: Judge people, particularly if I don't know who they are, or you know what they do, but. 377 00:48:36.180 --> 00:48:45.450 Armando Hogan: For example, during the daytime hours, people are are kind of walking back and forth up and down the street doing different things you know doing their version of cleaning sweeping whatever. 378 00:48:45.990 --> 00:48:50.040 Armando Hogan: When I walked back there at night I just saw people just kind of. 379 00:48:50.460 --> 00:48:55.890 Armando Hogan: hanging out like looking to see what was going to happen next so that's why I said it was kind of a different. 380 00:48:56.190 --> 00:49:04.710 Armando Hogan: And maybe I shouldn't say different element, but there were different people meeting because I was like wow i've been here like five straight weeks and have not seen this person before. 381 00:49:05.100 --> 00:49:11.250 Armando Hogan: But I did see that person at night, so, then I would ask some of the people you know the contacts that i've created and say hey. 382 00:49:11.580 --> 00:49:16.200 Armando Hogan: I saw this person over there and they'll say oh yeah that's such and such and he only comes around here at night. 383 00:49:16.560 --> 00:49:22.050 Armando Hogan: I said Okay, without being too intrusive because you know I don't have lapd with me, I said, well, whereas he during the day. 384 00:49:22.470 --> 00:49:36.750 Armando Hogan: They say oh he'll go back and forth to boardwalk or something like that, so I mean it makes perfect sense to them, but to you and I, because i'm trying to survey and see what the needs are you know i'm keenly aware of you know what's taking place in that area, so. 385 00:49:37.080 --> 00:49:49.620 EVA GREENE: Okay, and then, and then the second question was the last public health and safety committee meeting Claudia Martin said that the only law that was suspended during covert was 5611. 386 00:49:50.220 --> 00:50:03.420 EVA GREENE: Now, what about all the laws and ordinances for the lefty I mean can't are those what was suspended know we've talked about this before, but with all the lifting of the coven rules and regulations. 387 00:50:03.810 --> 00:50:10.320 EVA GREENE: What laws can you enforce because what the other thing, she said was that the reason that. 388 00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:22.260 EVA GREENE: The other laws were not being enforced were because they were policy decisions and those policy decisions were made by la parks and recreation So could you tell us what. 389 00:50:22.710 --> 00:50:33.600 EVA GREENE: Because I feel like there's a I don't want to say leniency, but a lot of pandering to the homeless, because I think it's dangerous to have fires next two buildings, I think it's dangerous to have fires inside of tense. 390 00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:43.080 EVA GREENE: I know they're hungry, they have a lot of outreach but at the same time, they are a half, they can create a hazard to themselves or two buildings as we've seen some go up in flames. 391 00:50:44.490 --> 00:50:52.530 Armando Hogan: yeah it will that's evil that's a great question, I think the biggest challenge that we face, none of what we do, has really been suspended. 392 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:59.280 Armando Hogan: Meaning Our job is to put fires out our enforcement in the fire code says you're not allowed to have open flame devices. 393 00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:06.030 Armando Hogan: So if somebody is just out there cooking on the street or something like that we have the authority to come and put those fires out. 394 00:51:06.690 --> 00:51:10.650 Armando Hogan: What you all, in most cases are looking for is what happens after that. 395 00:51:11.010 --> 00:51:19.920 Armando Hogan: Right and to be quite honest for us we've never really had to explore that right, because we put the fire out or whatever, in most cases, there is a trash can or something there. 396 00:51:20.190 --> 00:51:32.550 Armando Hogan: We put it out to go hey you can't do that, and now they can't cook so there's not going to be another fire and that's that what has ended up happening, as I mentioned before, when they take those appliances and move them inside. 397 00:51:32.910 --> 00:51:46.140 Armando Hogan: The tent we don't have the authority to inspect the tense, so I don't have the ability to send my folks in and look at potential challenges that could happen on the horizon hits that's why we were seeing that I believe. 398 00:51:46.560 --> 00:51:58.290 Armando Hogan: Why, we were seeing war fires in that regard for warming and cookie but, once again, based on the pilot and being out there, speaking to the folks the majority of those fires were. 399 00:51:59.430 --> 00:52:08.250 Armando Hogan: pH on pH so I feel pretty good, because our well, and let me keep that in its proper context, before you guys look at me differently. 400 00:52:08.700 --> 00:52:19.350 Armando Hogan: I feel pretty good about the fact that our folks are out there and number one making relationships number to educating individuals but, most importantly, being a deterrent. 401 00:52:19.860 --> 00:52:27.120 Armando Hogan: From people setting fires, now we also realize this is not sustainable, where I can have my folks sit there and watch people cook. 402 00:52:27.480 --> 00:52:32.310 Armando Hogan: And then you know those who live in the Community wait a minute what's fire department doing you just going to let these guys. 403 00:52:32.610 --> 00:52:37.740 Armando Hogan: Like fires, but I also have to look at what's the unintended consequence if I put that out. 404 00:52:38.160 --> 00:52:43.620 Armando Hogan: Am I creating a bigger issue when people say well you're not gonna let me eat this was all the food I had. 405 00:52:43.980 --> 00:52:50.010 Armando Hogan: Now they may have to go and do something a little bit more sinister to be able to eat so i'm trying to strike that balance. 406 00:52:50.280 --> 00:53:03.330 Armando Hogan: Within the framework of what is it that we should do and because there's only been, as I mentioned four fires in almost 90 days than I am experiencing some success so i've got a i've got to give to get and I know. 407 00:53:03.900 --> 00:53:11.460 Armando Hogan: Evil you said pandering to the homeless, I don't quite look at it that way, all of this comes under service for me, but I can understand your perspective on. 408 00:53:12.960 --> 00:53:13.500 EVA GREENE: Thank you. 409 00:53:16.050 --> 00:53:17.400 Soledad Ursua: Alan go ahead, your hands up. 410 00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:27.570 Allan Parsons: yeah sorry, maybe I misunderstood prior you mentioned staffs that you have for cooking fires in the past nine days so far. 411 00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:40.860 Allan Parsons: To which really the cooking and warming and to live the criminal element, but you you just stated that you're seeing a lot of fires related to criminal element, maybe I misheard something or maybe I didn't quite understand. 412 00:53:41.550 --> 00:53:46.770 Armando Hogan: yeah what I was saying to Alan is good to see you as well, the challenge that. 413 00:53:47.370 --> 00:53:54.000 Armando Hogan: Or what was brought to my attention, and I was speaking more from the fires that were previously being said, where I thought they were cooking and warming. 414 00:53:54.480 --> 00:54:02.550 Armando Hogan: There was more of a criminal element or a confrontational aspect to them so i'm not talking about what took place in a 90 day period. 415 00:54:02.820 --> 00:54:10.440 Armando Hogan: i'm just talking about the education that we received from walking the encampments and getting an idea of what's going on, because one of the things I wanted to do was. 416 00:54:11.550 --> 00:54:18.930 Armando Hogan: reach out to an extinguisher company and say hey can we get some portable extinguishers here, but then I found out that extinguisher can become a weapon. 417 00:54:19.350 --> 00:54:29.070 Armando Hogan: So do I do that and now i'm adding to you soon, I mean so every action I have to be mindful of what that reaction is going to be so for the most part after speaking with. 418 00:54:29.730 --> 00:54:38.880 Armando Hogan: folks in the Cabinet because I value their input, because they live it every day that's what was shared with me that's how I came to that conclusion in terms of what's taking place. 419 00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:42.180 Armando Hogan: Does that answer your question now. 420 00:54:43.710 --> 00:54:43.920 Okay. 421 00:54:45.750 --> 00:54:50.790 Soledad Ursua: All right, debbie chewed hogan I want to thank you so much, you have such a difficult job. 422 00:54:51.930 --> 00:55:00.900 Soledad Ursua: And thank you for joining us tonight you are star person say this, I I just think of it when you know when you book a gym workout. 423 00:55:01.290 --> 00:55:07.740 Soledad Ursua: A group workout class and then you show up and you're the only one, and then like I think it's awful because it's like oh God i'm working. 424 00:55:08.100 --> 00:55:15.780 Soledad Ursua: With a trainer so thank you so much for having such a good personality and talking through these very difficult issues I think you're the first. 425 00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:26.100 Soledad Ursua: person who's actually acknowledged the street justice that's going on, no I like for us to keep working with you, and following up on that so with that we will let you go. 426 00:55:26.190 --> 00:55:27.600 Armando Hogan: and go and I appreciate it. 427 00:55:27.600 --> 00:55:34.410 Armando Hogan: Thank you so dad and and just this evening I had to sabean for my fire chief at another meeting that's why but. 428 00:55:34.740 --> 00:55:42.540 Armando Hogan: I will always come back always make myself available, and I appreciate the ability to collaborate with all of you, because I think it was jack who challenged me and said. 429 00:55:43.080 --> 00:55:48.150 Armando Hogan: what's fire department doing so because jack yelled at me he really motivated me to do more so. 430 00:55:48.510 --> 00:56:00.030 Armando Hogan: I really want to make sure that you guys are being heard and I want to have your input as well, now I get it i'm not gonna be able to satisfy everybody and that's not the goal, but if I can make it a little bit better. 431 00:56:00.480 --> 00:56:02.640 Armando Hogan: A little bit more tenable and least give us. 432 00:56:03.240 --> 00:56:11.550 Armando Hogan: A path of travel that hopefully will bring us to a suitable resolution because we're never going to eradicate homelessness I mean, I think we all know that. 433 00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:19.740 Armando Hogan: But how we go about it, where it's allowed what should be done, how do we enforce Those are some of the challenges that hopefully we'll be able to undertake. 434 00:56:20.010 --> 00:56:25.710 Armando Hogan: But I have to be honest with you all, I can only do it from fire department right i'm not law enforcement i'm not housing. 435 00:56:26.010 --> 00:56:37.200 Armando Hogan: i'm not you know somebody that would intervene on a drug situation, but whatever we can do, fire department, I want to make that aware make you all aware of what we're trying to do, because we realize it's challenge. 436 00:56:37.530 --> 00:56:50.160 Armando Hogan: And we want to try to make everything tenable for everyone, so thank you again, and once again I apologize for kind of shutting out on you, but sometimes i've got to take some direction I don't always get to be in charge so. 437 00:56:53.550 --> 00:56:54.450 Armando Hogan: Thank you guys. 438 00:56:54.750 --> 00:56:56.370 Chie Lunn: Thank you for being here, thank you. 439 00:56:57.060 --> 00:57:00.540 Soledad Ursua: And so, with that, let me just share my screen with everybody. 440 00:57:01.740 --> 00:57:02.760 Soledad Ursua: You guys very serious. 441 00:57:04.770 --> 00:57:13.260 Soledad Ursua: Okay, so we're so again let's just debrief I suppose on you know we've just had a chain drop where lapd will not be direct. 442 00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:31.350 Soledad Ursua: Speaking directly with the full b&c on, but since you know we all have time schedules and I was hoping that we could just do a brief as a committee, and we could even just try to think about you know, setting the agenda for next month on, I want to say I was I guess pleasantly surprised. 443 00:57:31.410 --> 00:57:34.110 Soledad Ursua: That someone's Finally, talking about street. 444 00:57:34.110 --> 00:57:44.970 Soledad Ursua: Justice because that's something that we all see and I I feel like it, you know deputy chief hogan was the first one that really acknowledged it on coming from La fire department, I think that's a big. 445 00:57:45.540 --> 00:57:57.840 Soledad Ursua: So you know our our concerns are not unfounded other people are saying that um so just with that just since we have some time why don't why don't we just debrief how on your hands up why don't you just give some thoughts. 446 00:58:01.980 --> 00:58:02.760 Soledad Ursua: you've done meal. 447 00:58:06.900 --> 00:58:08.460 Helen Fallon: I think I did it. 448 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:21.780 Helen Fallon: I just wanted to bring up that I do think the Public Health and Safety Committee shouldn't be an ad hoc committee I think it's an important enough committee, it should be a standing committee so that it doesn't. 449 00:58:22.770 --> 00:58:28.260 Helen Fallon: There isn't this disruption, with the ad hoc committee it's really ongoing issues that affect the Community. 450 00:58:29.370 --> 00:58:39.420 Helen Fallon: And it's not it's not the focus of you know, an ad hoc committee where they have a special project, so I i'd like to urge. 451 00:58:40.050 --> 00:58:51.630 Helen Fallon: Anyone listening and everyone on this committee to communicate that to the board, because I don't understand why the, but I think the bylaws need to be changed to make a standing committee. 452 00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:59.700 Helen Fallon: I think it's an important thing to have happen, and I hope in the future, maybe we owe the other issue I have if we're not going to hear the police report. 453 00:59:00.030 --> 00:59:10.290 Helen Fallon: I thought we worked really hard to get those statistics from them and they were agreeing that they were going to give it to us in writing and I hope that they actually will do that at the. 454 00:59:11.580 --> 00:59:18.420 Helen Fallon: At the board meeting, but if they don't I also hope that someone will make sure that they actually communicate them. 455 00:59:18.900 --> 00:59:24.480 Helen Fallon: Clearly, so they aren't just rushing through them because we had that problem, and I know. 456 00:59:24.990 --> 00:59:36.060 Helen Fallon: Thank goodness for Allen who's going to wait a minute I didn't get that all down, and I think that really helped because I think when they were reporting to the board, it was like well it went up this that when a bad went down, you know and then. 457 00:59:36.600 --> 00:59:40.680 Helen Fallon: you're just sitting there going I can't write this fast I don't know what they're talking about, so I hope that. 458 00:59:41.190 --> 00:59:50.130 Helen Fallon: I hope that that because we got a commitment from emmerich about getting those statistics to us and sharing the cars statistics and writing. 459 00:59:50.430 --> 01:00:00.930 Helen Fallon: And he will do that with the board, and it will get overlooked with this change over because he did say that he got permission to do that, so those are the issues that I wanted to raise. 460 01:00:02.250 --> 01:00:02.490 Chie Lunn: yeah. 461 01:00:04.170 --> 01:00:06.960 Soledad Ursua: Cry decent all of your hand up did you want to say something. 462 01:00:07.110 --> 01:00:10.350 Chie Lunn: I don't she said exactly what I was going to say I feel like we. 463 01:00:10.380 --> 01:00:14.160 Chie Lunn: You know the idea that we actually took the time with the officers and. 464 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:25.110 Chie Lunn: To get those reports and stuff I think that it was a huge value and we were always sharing that information and what I don't understand is because all the meetings are open to the public and to whomever wants to attend. 465 01:00:25.590 --> 01:00:35.220 Chie Lunn: Why is it that it needs a larger audience when everyone's open to attend this meeting i'm kind of i'm just i'm guess i'm learning these things i'm confused by that. 466 01:00:37.980 --> 01:00:44.220 Soledad Ursua: i'm Jim you have your your guest panelists tonight, do you have any comments, for us, I hope. 467 01:00:44.220 --> 01:00:47.430 Soledad Ursua: To work more together in the future because rena. 468 01:00:48.510 --> 01:00:57.090 Soledad Ursua: everybody's reimagining the committee's there has to be you know more focus of who does what and so actually i'd love to hear your input. 469 01:00:58.320 --> 01:01:04.050 jim robb: Thank you for including me, this was a great great and all the try to join whenever you guys are doing the meeting. 470 01:01:05.550 --> 01:01:11.070 jim robb: I think I think it went Gray, as you know, the boardwalks was been a mess, for the last couple years. 471 01:01:11.580 --> 01:01:22.320 jim robb: We did a lot of work with the social services, with the with the woman that took over for parks and REC to get the you know get the vendor stuff going again and I think that. 472 01:01:22.680 --> 01:01:34.110 jim robb: started the ball rolling with getting the least the boardwalk park cleared, you know, and then it moved to to all of that, so any input you guys can have on the ocean front walk helps. 473 01:01:35.370 --> 01:01:36.990 jim robb: i've had meetings with the bid. 474 01:01:38.040 --> 01:01:49.050 jim robb: numerous meetings with the scooters and, as you guys know their scooters going down the boardwalk of 3040 miles an hour now, which is pretty dangerous as well, so you know. 475 01:01:49.530 --> 01:01:58.260 jim robb: I think you guys and the public enforcement maybe join and went to our meetings you know where I talked to the scooter companies and try to. 476 01:01:58.830 --> 01:02:07.020 jim robb: alleviate some of these other problems that are that are going on on the boardwalk and other spots, so you know feel free to reach out to me. 477 01:02:07.770 --> 01:02:19.950 jim robb: For any help and I appreciate you guys going on there, and you know we're starting to see some good stuff on the boardwalk finally so anything you guys can should suggest we're having an issue with the ballers and I think. 478 01:02:22.470 --> 01:02:31.380 jim robb: there's a couple areas where I might need to present to you guys what they're trying to do, because they're trying to put some fencing up, and I think it might be a little difficult so just. 479 01:02:32.460 --> 01:02:38.970 jim robb: reach out to me if you need anything and it's good to see all your faces Ellen and Helen and shy oh you guys, thank you. 480 01:02:40.710 --> 01:02:43.560 Soledad Ursua: Okay, I know you have your hand up why don't you go. 481 01:02:43.560 --> 01:02:46.500 EVA GREENE: Ahead yeah OK so. 482 01:02:48.540 --> 01:03:07.440 EVA GREENE: The chief ended up saying that he couldn't go in to attend now so he would rather that they you know stay out, they can put out the fire as opposed to going inside, because you wouldn't be able to access it and I guess that comes from you know warrants needed now for. 483 01:03:07.680 --> 01:03:09.960 EVA GREENE: pretense as though they were home. 484 01:03:10.410 --> 01:03:14.370 EVA GREENE: But I thought it was something interesting for discussion and maybe. 485 01:03:14.550 --> 01:03:17.880 EVA GREENE: Get somebody to really explain it to us because. 486 01:03:19.050 --> 01:03:30.540 EVA GREENE: If you get if you get a warrant, these are movable homes you're never going to police never going to be able to get a warrant and then go back to that same place, because it moves so. 487 01:03:31.200 --> 01:03:38.760 EVA GREENE: they're pointless and I wanted to know if he had any further information on that issue with regards to warrants for tent and camp. 488 01:03:41.910 --> 01:03:47.910 Soledad Ursua: Well, Eva, I think, let me try to address this, I remember, we had met with lapd this was a really long time ago. 489 01:03:48.630 --> 01:03:55.560 Soledad Ursua: This was before this committee, even before I was on the board and what they explained to us, we met with a few officers out on boardwalk. 490 01:03:55.980 --> 01:03:59.340 Soledad Ursua: And visa that being have to treat tense as private property. 491 01:03:59.700 --> 01:04:05.040 Soledad Ursua: So for suspect runs into the tent and dips it up, they can't go out to them, they have to get you know weren't Brett. 492 01:04:05.280 --> 01:04:17.880 Soledad Ursua: And that really angered a lot of you know house residents, such as myself, were basically a attend is the equivalent of a home, so they apparently have to follow the same you know. 493 01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:27.450 Soledad Ursua: I guess getting a warrant process for a 10th if just the same as if it was a home and that's the same for our movies that's what I understand. 494 01:04:31.980 --> 01:04:47.280 EVA GREENE: Right it doesn't quite make sense, but I get that you know their logic is to give more and more and more because number one it's public property there's no campaign rules, etc, but we have a city attorney who you know doesn't really battle these things, but thanks. 495 01:04:51.240 --> 01:04:52.380 Soledad Ursua: Alright hi did you. 496 01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:54.150 Chie Lunn: your hands back up yes. 497 01:04:54.600 --> 01:05:00.420 Chie Lunn: I was just gonna say what's interesting what's interesting about this idea of having to look at tense as homes. 498 01:05:00.930 --> 01:05:12.690 Chie Lunn: Is that it only stops where it benefits the lawlessness it doesn't go into their own safety, such as with a home, you have permits for every single thing. 499 01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.650 Chie Lunn: Even for your plumbing for your you know, for your gas and everything. 500 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:26.760 Chie Lunn: The guy comes actually through our backyard when my front gate is unlocked to check my meter and I don't know if he's checking for gas or water or whatever, but they come right into my backyard. 501 01:05:27.000 --> 01:05:34.620 Chie Lunn: And do their checking and that's through my property through my front fence so it's kind of interesting how we have to look at it, this, this is a home. 502 01:05:34.980 --> 01:05:40.770 Chie Lunn: But yet we're putting millions of dollars into this acceptance that they're not homes and then also. 503 01:05:41.040 --> 01:05:52.470 Chie Lunn: Anything that a warrant for them to have a safer environment and for us to have a safer environment those rules don't exist, and so, if we are for now until they get permanent housing or until they get. 504 01:05:53.190 --> 01:05:58.770 Chie Lunn: Temporary housing, if we are to look at these things as homes, then I think that there needs to be some. 505 01:05:59.190 --> 01:06:07.110 Chie Lunn: permits that are implemented for time being, for you, when you have a tent there is some level of registration for the tent. 506 01:06:07.410 --> 01:06:25.740 Chie Lunn: some level of accountability of your your waist just like we have to pay for our trash cans when they get stolen or damaged, so we need to start kind of pushing for if you're pushing this on us to accept this, then we need some level of permits people are fighting for people like for. 507 01:06:26.820 --> 01:06:36.360 Chie Lunn: We have people who do to food carts and everyone's like Oh, they have to have their permits and everything in order, and we see them getting shut down but they're actually trying to make a living. 508 01:06:36.690 --> 01:06:50.760 Chie Lunn: That services other people, including the boardwalk they all have to have permits, so we need to start coming up with some level of implementing that as well, because I find it to be ridiculous that all this acceptance is only the benefit crime so. 509 01:06:51.540 --> 01:07:01.590 Soledad Ursua: yeah i'm we know that's such an amazing point and i'm sharing my screen now with you guys, this is our mission statement, we are still authorized for another month or two. 510 01:07:02.070 --> 01:07:14.160 Soledad Ursua: On So if you read it um you know basically we have you know it's all la city departments, such as a building and safety sanitation, so I mean we're talking permits I feel like. 511 01:07:14.580 --> 01:07:26.910 Soledad Ursua: You know, maybe we should look into this more maybe we should be talking to some of you know, building and safety so maybe one thing we could do is really read through our mission and figure out, you know what else we should be looking at. 512 01:07:30.600 --> 01:07:31.050 jim robb: On their. 513 01:07:32.310 --> 01:07:33.450 jim robb: emotion on the chart. 514 01:07:34.470 --> 01:07:38.460 EVA GREENE: I think it's a really good idea, because i've always said that. 515 01:07:39.210 --> 01:07:53.280 EVA GREENE: If they're going to be treated as though their homes, we should also find out who's living in there, we have fire codes for inside of homes inside of buildings inside of apartments Well then, if they want to be called homes let's let's use the same rules here. 516 01:07:54.480 --> 01:08:04.200 Soledad Ursua: Okay, and you know we have Nick your hand is up i'm going to allow you to talk through there, do you have any recommendations for the committee. 517 01:08:05.610 --> 01:08:05.940 Soledad Ursua: Can. 518 01:08:05.970 --> 01:08:07.320 Soledad Ursua: Nick can you unmute yourself and. 519 01:08:07.320 --> 01:08:14.460 Nick Antonicello: Talk yeah you're really going down a slippery slope if you're looking for. 520 01:08:15.930 --> 01:08:24.870 Nick Antonicello: licensing of tense what what's going on the beach is illegal period what they should be doing is impounding these. 521 01:08:25.350 --> 01:08:33.300 Nick Antonicello: devices that they're using illegally, if you have a car and you're stopped, you have a license registration when they do the impound your car. 522 01:08:34.110 --> 01:08:43.140 Nick Antonicello: When you're using illegal devices down at the beach for cooking or whatever they should be impounded what I don't understand what the chief. 523 01:08:43.590 --> 01:08:52.980 Nick Antonicello: Is that why doesn't he any avoided my question now for the second time, why do you not support a permanent fire presence at the beach. 524 01:08:53.460 --> 01:09:04.560 Nick Antonicello: Why don't they take that substation and build the prerequisite housing for for whatever equipment that they need I just don't understand that, because he's talking about. 525 01:09:05.010 --> 01:09:10.860 Nick Antonicello: Right now, the way he's applying it, and my brother is a retired New York City arson investigator. 526 01:09:11.310 --> 01:09:21.630 Nick Antonicello: Is that he's he's employing a lot of overtime if they made that a permanent place for them to operate he eliminates the overtime in this eliminates the cost so. 527 01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:30.540 Nick Antonicello: I think that whole needs to be revisited, but when you start talking about licensing of a legal camping at the beach. 528 01:09:31.230 --> 01:09:34.560 Nick Antonicello: What you're doing is you're enabling what you are trying to present. 529 01:09:35.310 --> 01:09:45.480 Nick Antonicello: And so what I don't understand is when someone has a oven or some kind of cooking device that the thing just be taken away because they're not supposed to be there in the first place. 530 01:09:46.080 --> 01:09:56.130 Nick Antonicello: And as far as this committee is concerned, you guys need to write a motion to elections in the elections committee wherever they've been a call it. 531 01:09:56.580 --> 01:10:05.820 Nick Antonicello: And just call for this committee to go from an ad hoc to a standing committee and then the board would vote on it and and you guys should do that. 532 01:10:06.210 --> 01:10:07.290 You can do that tomorrow. 533 01:10:08.610 --> 01:10:10.890 Soledad Ursua: Thank you so much tree recommendations. 534 01:10:12.120 --> 01:10:20.940 jim robb: Real quick real quick on next thing that that lifeguard tower, I think that the maintenance people pay $1 a month for that so. 535 01:10:21.480 --> 01:10:36.300 jim robb: That could always be an option for them to place fire equipment and search stuff there where we all vote because I know it's you know they said they wanted to tear it down, but this city uses it for park in their cleaning stuff so that that could be an option to. 536 01:10:39.390 --> 01:10:58.590 Helen Fallon: Maybe Nick can right maybe Nick you could write a motion or write out this recommendation yeah how about using the fire state, though, you know the whatever it's called down in the fire station thing and adding in the police station and adding a fire presence to it. 537 01:11:01.080 --> 01:11:11.190 Soledad Ursua: And you know, Nick a really great point just about the overtime on I was thinking that too so yeah that's you know we talked about how our resources are limited yeah. 538 01:11:12.180 --> 01:11:23.790 Soledad Ursua: i'm so with that are there any more committee Member feedback ideas, if not, you know, thank you, everybody for joining we've had a you know it's been a. 539 01:11:24.210 --> 01:11:38.670 Soledad Ursua: Short month for us and blogging he's had la fire department join us and so with that it is 609 and we will go ahead and call it, this is the shortest meeting and probably the dnc history which she can work for that. 540 01:11:38.730 --> 01:11:39.090 Soledad Ursua: We. 541 01:11:39.150 --> 01:11:47.910 Helen Fallon: Do we want alright guys so about before we adjourn do we want to find out if anybody has any other comments I mean you know attendees you know. 542 01:11:48.090 --> 01:11:48.720 Helen Fallon: nobody's got there. 543 01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:52.590 Soledad Ursua: We got the attendees we got attending comments already. 544 01:11:54.150 --> 01:12:02.400 Helen Fallon: I didn't know if anybody has anything they wanted to bring to us to deal with in the future, since we're sort of tossing around no ideas. 545 01:12:03.300 --> 01:12:09.510 Chie Lunn: Also, will we have an issue that we didn't do roll call, I can we do it now, just so that they. 546 01:12:09.540 --> 01:12:09.990 Soledad Ursua: don't have. 547 01:12:11.580 --> 01:12:12.570 Soledad Ursua: Any I mean. 548 01:12:13.620 --> 01:12:17.850 Soledad Ursua: No, so what I do is I see everybody we're all here so we're good okay. 549 01:12:18.810 --> 01:12:25.980 jim robb: Good to see oh that was great I wish my meetings really short and anybody wants to come to the ocean for we'll see what happens. 550 01:12:26.010 --> 01:12:26.820 jim robb: But yeah. 551 01:12:27.210 --> 01:12:27.660 Soledad Ursua: Thank you. 552 01:12:28.740 --> 01:12:29.310 Soledad Ursua: Great. 553 01:12:29.400 --> 01:12:30.180 Soledad Ursua: yeah yes. 554 01:12:32.130 --> 01:12:34.110 Soledad Ursua: Okay okay i'll come back next time. 555 01:12:36.270 --> 01:12:40.950 Soledad Ursua: we're going to call it all right we'll see you guys at the full Vinci board. 556 02:04:10.650 --> 02:04:10.890 or. 557 02:04:15.750 --> 02:04:16.800 james murez: i'm checking Andy.