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jim murez: Okay, let's see if this is working.

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jim murez: Robert, can you hear me,

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jim murez: Robert?

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robertthibodeau: Hey, Jim? Hey, Vicky, Can you hear me? Okay,

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jim murez: Robert,

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jim murez: I don't know if my microphone's working,

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jim murez: Why can I not tell

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robertthibodeau: you're sound muted to us?

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Vicki Halliday: You sound fine

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jim murez: Now, can you hear me

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jim murez: My headphones? I'll be back. Vicki, Do you hear me? Okay. Good. Um. Let me start promoting deaf. It has your hand up. Don't move,

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jim murez: Daffodil.

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jim murez: People are arriving. Let me

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jim murez: get some help. Here, Daffodil.

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jim murez: Yeah, we just need to start promoting people, although I don't need new people here.

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jim murez: I believe that uh

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jim murez: seamless, Somebody said, no. Was it. You that said you had a six-thirty meeting meeting until six. Thirty

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh that was not me. Um, but somebody said, they. Did.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well, we'll see when people come in. I don't remember who it was. Actually, I've had so many communications today. It was was the team App. Okay, Daniel leg it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: One of our um representatives.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Daniel, are you here behalf of a government agency,

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Vicki Halliday: and is a power resident?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry

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Daffodil Tyminski: I I signed in early. Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks so much.

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Daniel Liggett: Isabelle, let's promote as well, so she can give her um words the board to read the organizer, i'm i'm. I'm, I'm. I'm. So yeah put yourselves on mute if you are. Um, no!

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Daffodil Tyminski: There we go,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yolanda. We see you there. Put your hand down for the moment until we're ready to take comment. I'm trying to get people promoted.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, thanks so much.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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jim murez: zach best. I think isn't he a new uh member he is. I just promoted him. Okay, Welcome, Zach!

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jim murez: No, he hasn't shipped out. There he goes,

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jim murez: and we also have somebody from the Assembly from Tina Mcneil Mckinner's office. I think his name is his name is uh Brandon. He! He! He! He was supposed to be here this evening,

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Daffodil Tyminski: so he I just made him a panelist.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! Do you get Jay.

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Daffodil Tyminski: He! Oh, there he is!

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jim murez: I don't know why you along. This seems to want to raise your hand. But

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jim murez: I uh Elizabeth, if if you're signing on as just Elizabeth, raise your hand if you're a board member, Elizabeth Clay.

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jim murez: Thank you.

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jim murez: I tried to promote her, but it jumped off.

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jim murez: Did she make it. Yep.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All right. We need two or three more folks to get going.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, yeah, Liz, You're on right? Yeah, I just saw your text here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We need two more people.

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jim murez: Excuse me,

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Daffodil Tyminski: All right, Let me. Some folks. I reached out to that. I thought would be here. Let me just uh send some text to folks.

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Nico Ruderman: Okay, Mike Mike just talks to him. He's on his way. Clark Brown. I'm: promoting him.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Great. Great.

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Nico Ruderman: So Mike might be signing on a second.

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Nico Ruderman: Who else are you missing?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh kai sola, dad. We got Clark coming.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um

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Daffodil Tyminski: Cj.

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jim murez: She didn't say no,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Ali, I spoke to earlier.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry I typed this holding out caps. Let me do it, and

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Daffodil Tyminski: not screaming. Five!

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Nico Ruderman: I just texted Kai and sold out to

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jim murez: Oh, great!

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Daffodil Tyminski: Let me just send everyone the link,

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Daffodil Tyminski: so they have it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, here's Bruno! Hi! Bruno!

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Hello!

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Daffodil Tyminski: Hi! There!

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jim murez: So many familiar names. After seeing them all, one would think that she can't. I just promote them all. But too bad They're not all on the board

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Daffodil Tyminski: exactly.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Well, we probably let's see one, two,

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jim murez: Did he? Did he just become a did you promote him?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I am trying.

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jim murez: Um, Good evening. Everyone. Let me start by sharing the agenda on screen.

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jim murez: Uh, Is that visible?

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Jason Sugars: Yes, it is great got it.

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jim murez: Okay. So

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jim murez: rules and introductions we can

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jim murez: for go reading all of those for this evening.

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jim murez: Let me call them meeting to order, and the time is six hundred and seven. I'll save the first draft um roll. Call James me as i'm here

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jim murez: uh daffodil

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jim murez: answer yes or no. Daffodil

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jim murez: uh Melissa

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jay handal: Jay. Yes,

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jim murez: Vicki

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Daffodil Tyminski: Bruno. Yes,

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jim murez: Sima

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jim murez: Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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jim murez: uh Jim Rob,

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jim murez: I see. Ali bean. Raise your hand, Jim. Rob,

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alley bean: Jason sugars Yeah, your great ally. That's So you raise your hand, Allie, do you have microphone tonight?

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jim murez: Are we at roll call? Is that I just logged on

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jim murez: uh

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jim murez: Mike.

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Mike Bravo: Here, Sol, it out!

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jim murez: Cj.

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Elizabeth: Elizabeth

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robertthibodeau: Robert here,

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jim murez: Clark here

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jim murez: uh,

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jim murez: and Zachary, or can I call you Zack? Okay, Great. So we have fourteen in attendance. We're doing good

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jim murez: um ex parte and and conflicts of interest. Let me start that off by saying that I have spoken to many board members and our Parliamentarian um about several of the items on the agenda. Nothing particularly secretive but um. I did talk about the upcoming elections at a couple of different meetings, and uh

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jim murez: other than that I don't think I have anything to

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jim murez: um. Talk about

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jim murez: anybody else. Have any expertise communications, Clark. You have your hand up. Go ahead, please.

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Clark Brown: Earlier this afternoon uh, I emailed to all members of the Board. Uh: okay

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Clark Brown: Article I wrote in the Argonaut,

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Clark Brown: and I received no response.

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jim murez: Okay, thank you.

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jim murez: Um. Daffodil.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh Yes, um, you know, as a member of the Budget Committee. We also had some communications about the budget issues on the agenda.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, that is um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and I apologize. I'm trying to figure out what number it is. An item Number twenty-three on the agenda and twenty. Four.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Um, That's it.

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jim murez: Okay, Um.

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jim murez: I'm trying to do two things at once. Give me a second

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Daffodil Tyminski: keep things later on.

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jay handal: Yeah. Similar to to Jim as treasurer and budget chair. I've had a number of conversations about primarily the election information

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jay handal: with some people. Uh, and to answer the other gentleman. I never saw an email today, by the way, about the article from the August. So it didn't come through to my email.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. Jay

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Daffodil Tyminski: um, Robert tivo.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And if you could lower your hand, that'd be great

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robertthibodeau: uh again, similar to the committee similar to the other committee chairs. I've had conversations with the different. We've got a couple of parking transportation things on consent tonight

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jim murez: the people who brought them to it. Can people excuse me, Robert. Can people mute their phones or their their uh connections because they're talking?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, Go ahead, Robert.

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robertthibodeau: Uh. Similar to the other committee chairs. I've spoken with the people who brought uh

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robertthibodeau: it items before us which are then going to be on our agenda tonight, and again Nothing other than informational stuff regarding the items.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All right. Thanks. Robert. Uh. Vicki Holiday

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Vicki Halliday: Um. Several conversations with Board members about the elections emotions, and I did it in the Budget and Finance Committee meeting last night, which was

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Vicki Halliday: all of all sorts of conversation about elections. So I did it in that. Thank you.

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alley bean: I'm going to have to mute myself after this, because i'm work back to you. But I just I did make a phone call to, so that, but I didn't get through to her about wanting to take, you know, to put the loopx stuff

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alley bean: um not on consent, so we could all talk about it. That's I made that phone call, but we didn't connect. So I don't know if I needed to say that.

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alley bean: Okay, no,

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alley bean: okay. And i'm going to have to go on mute.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, that's fine.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. Okay, I think that is the show of hands for um. I'm: sorry. Nico Ruderman. Go ahead. You need to unmute yourself.

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah. Um. I've spoken with numerous people about the elections from last week and upcoming V and C elections.

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Nico Ruderman: Um spoken to a lot of parents about issues around. Um, I think comments around schools. Um

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Nico Ruderman: and I I spoke with the uh, our new Assembly woman, Tina Mckenna and her staff are um brand of stance on.

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Nico Ruderman: I'm getting them out into this meeting today.

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Nico Ruderman: I think that's it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay? Great thanks to you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And uh do we any other hands, any other ex-parties, conflicts of interest to disclose at this time.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All right, seeing no hands. I think, Jim, we can close this move on to the next agenda item,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and i'm happy to do that if you want to put up the agenda,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Gotcha.

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Daffodil Tyminski: The next part is probably public comment on items not on the agenda. No, hang on a second. I'm almost done.

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jim murez: I just had to post something,

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jim murez: so we have it later. Next spot is scheduled Announcement: So this is This is where uh public safety comes in and let me share my screen. Um. So at the request of some of the people in the community.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: I assume you can see my screen now. So we've now added um contacts for lafd and lapd um, and the two lapd ones down here. The senior officer map the senior lead officer map actually shows where, uh, you know, depending on where you live within the Venice uh

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jim murez: Neighborhood Council region. Um! There's actually an officer that is in charge of that area. So these are both very good lists

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jim murez: uh to look at the the Five Point contacts, and and uh, also the senior lead map. And now we have La Fd. Up there, and and why Don't, we go ahead and do we have them in the audience? I know I saw that Monique Contrace, who's the senior lead for North Venice? Um

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jim murez: other than her? Do we have anybody from the fire department scene is how the fire department's listed first.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah. So if you're from the Fire department or lapd, please raise your hands so I can see you there with a number of attendees, but I can tell you I think we already promoted Monique so she could go ahead and start.

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Daffodil Tyminski: That's fine.

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Monique Contreras: Hi! It's senior officer, Mooney contras. Uh good evening, everybody. Thank you for having me. Um! I just want to start by saying, Thank you for those all those who attended uh the coffee with the cop at cows End this morning. It was really good to see everybody. Um! I am covering.

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Monique Contreras: I am covering for uh slow Costa, who is basic car uh fourteen a thirteen Um! This deployment period, and he is coming back um next week for all those um who have been sending emails.

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Monique Contreras: Um, but for both of our cars Um, crime is down. Um, both part one and violent crime.

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Monique Contreras: However, in basic car um fourteen a thirteen, which is slow acosta. There is a fifty-two percent increase in burglaries. Um so just a reminder to always keep your doors locked. Um install proper lighting and cameras. The holidays are coming up. Um, If you're gonna be out of town, make sure people are picking up your packages. Um checking on your house, and please don't advertise on social media um that you're out of town.

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Monique Contreras: Um. One thing that I do want to mention, and this came from our auto detectives is that the number one cars that are being stolen are Honda's and Kia's um primarily being taken off the street? Um. So the Pacific Um

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Monique Contreras: auto detective is offering a club free to those who have Honda's and Kia, and who live in Pacific division uh supply is limited. But if you come to the front desk and they still have them. Um, they will give you one for free

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Monique Contreras: um just uh wanted to let everybody know. I'm getting a lot of emails about the Lapd and Santa Monica border. There was a collaborative effort that was done. Um, this past Thursday evening. Um, and I appreciate all the emails that are coming to us just to kind of let us know what's going on.

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Monique Contreras: Um, A reminder um to everyone is that Lapd does not schedule sanitation clean up. I get a lot of request. Um, please submit those in three, one one, and then you can email them to um, the appropriate C eleven uh points of contact um with the Uh service request number, and if you don't have that information, um, please feel free to contact me, and i'll be happy to give that to you.

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Monique Contreras: Um! That's pretty much it for me. I hope everybody has a happy Thanksgiving um, and we'll see everybody at the sign lighting on uh December Third

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jim murez: Monique. Um, if you know we don't normally ask questions. This is i'm just curious. You know. I sent you an email, and I know that that you've had a lot of of uh

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jim murez: requests from other people in the community. Do we have any kind of an update on what's happening on Flower.

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Monique Contreras: Uh, there should be a a a comprehensive clean up schedule this week. One of the things that is happening is, there has been um a lot of

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Monique Contreras: um locations that are large locations that have been scheduled kind of all at once. Um! On Monday the sanitation truck was full. It couldn't get to all the locations,

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Monique Contreras: so I know that the Council Office Um. Points of contacts are are trying to schedule these things, but these locations are very large. Um, especially when you schedule three large locations in one day. It it's a little tough um, you know, for all the resources involved,

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Monique Contreras: but I do see link it in flower. Um getting some attention. I think there was a spot cleaning today. There should be a comprehensive clean up. Don't quote me. I have to look at the care um plus schedule um tomorrow. Uh, I can actually look at it tonight. So for those who text more emailed me. I'll get back to you. Um. But yeah, it's,

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Monique Contreras: I think, with a lot of locations throughout Pacific Division. It's just been really

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Monique Contreras: thing in.

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jim murez: Yeah, and I know It's not your area, and I didn't mean to put you on the spot. I just hoping that that with Adrian out for as long as he's been out that that maybe you had some update. And that's great. Thank you very much. You're welcome.

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jim murez: Um, Okay. Did we get anybody

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jim murez: else from the fire department, or Yes, we we do, Jim. We have chief superman from Lafd here, and he's a panelist. He should be able to speak.

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: Sorry for my late entry into the meeting. Um, so it's kind of give you an update uh for the Venice area. Um, I guess it's a good thing, but we haven't had any real significant incidents lately. Uh in the Venice area. So that's a good thing uh we're continuing our survey, uh, or actually what we do with our survey team

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: for the homelessness and the population out there on the Jefferson area. Um, I have made contact with our Somebody was reaching out from one of the communities in regards to signs

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: uh, along Jefferson and so forth, based on the marsh and fires that have happened in there in the past. So I actually was able to obtain the information and the Uh code information and the signed information, and I forwarded to the appropriate people uh in the community. They were asking for it. Um! So in a nutshell. Um, if you're looking to um,

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: Um! It does qualify for that, however. Um! Again, it's just it all comes down to the enforcement process. It comes down to uh somebody. Actually, you know, enforcing the the the code that's attached to it. Um! And that would be an led an early Pd. Issue there in addition. Um,

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: we don't um make the signs. I did provide the information to the individual as far as who does make the signs, but but the Laf be more than happy to install them for you if you do get them at at the you know, if you purchase them so my recommendation is is to work with the Council Office on that.

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: Um, There's things that the Council Office may or may not want done, based on certain restrictions with the city that I don't know about, or that maybe the Association or Neighborhood Council Doesn't know about. And I would just, uh, you know, suggest going through the Council office while you're going through that process. Um!

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: I just wanted to give you an update on the Ballards for those that are interested in the ballers on the Venice uh Venice boardwalk area. They're all installed. What we're waiting for right now is department of water and power. There's about five sites that they need to continue um hooking power into, and they haven't completed that yet.

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: And in addition, there's one repair that we have to put in one of the barrier dates, and that was on the far um west end of the entrance to the boardwalk. If you recall last year somebody ran into that trying to obtain entry and um and uh damage that. So we're waiting for that to get repaired. And then soon as Dwp gets all those electrical sites hooked up, the bollard should be ready to go, because what it does is it powers the hydraulic system.

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: So with that, that's all I have for an update uh for the Venice area for the fire department. Thank you.

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jim murez: Thank you. And and if if we don't see you before our next meeting in December, um have a good holiday season. We have a sign lighting coming up on December third. We hope to see you there, if you can make it.

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Chief Zipperman LAFD: Okay. Uh if you could send me an invitation, i'll be more than happy to put that on my calendar. So thank you very much. And now, if I don't see you as I plan to is have a happy holiday season to all of you.

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jim murez: Uh, Vicki, Can you uh make a note to to send out invites to these folks, so we can remember to do that. I appreciate it if you can.

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jim murez: Um. Okay, let's move along to uh government reports at this point. Um! Do we have anybody from uh Councilman Bonnan's office,

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Daffodil Tyminski: you know. I don't see Louie on here.

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jim murez: Okay, I mean, do we see any of these representatives. Um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And i'd love to talk to Freddie. Um, Ivan's here, if anyone else is a representative of one of our um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, I'm. Here. If you hear me? Yeah, and I'm. I'm: I'm: i'm a panelist. We'll call you in the order we come in, and for the record gym to Um Kai is here.

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Daffodil Tyminski: who Who would be the next person to speak, I think. Did you say? Uh, Well, so either Fred or Nima. Why don't we let Freddie go first? He's been here, and he's first on the agenda.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): If Fred do you have something to um. Yeah, i'll also be emailing my report to the whole board soon.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um again. Uh, the elections are coming up uh the season opening and November twenty sixth

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): um, which is kind of very soon.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um, as you know, Nima, the city clerk, Rep. Here will be overseeing election administration, while our department will be helping with Nc. Election engagement and outreach. Um.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): So uh, in my email to the Board.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Uh for my report, I will be providing you the Nc. Marketing link. Um, so that we can help collect as much details possible. Um! And also, you know, help you with connecting to your canva account your next door account that is offered by the department to for all neighbored councils.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um! As well as the templates. I have to that you would have access to

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): um in my link. I'll also be providing uh the

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh City Course website, their election schedule, timeline, handbook, and the administrator list. But um nine was here, so she's going to give a more detail uh presentation as to the administration of the elections for Venice.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um also um I've provided uh several um

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): links to different council files

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh with, and also the legislative report. Um! So you can find uh what we've sent over to neighbored councils in the past. The council files um that um i've highlighted in my report is Council File twenty-one dash to zero, four hundred and seven,

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): a council, file twenty-two, one hundred and seventy-

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): and Council file twenty-two over one hundred and forty-six, which is the community impact statement Portal. Freddie, if I can interrupt excuse me, but I just want everybody to know that that if they want to follow along, those reports were posted on our website

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jim murez: um as as a supplemental or or supporting documents, So if if anybody wants to see that. Um! They are there. I'm sorry. Go ahead and up ready.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um! I do want to note um. We do have um that since December two thousand and twenty. The department has examined many issues. It identified itself with the Department's portal and process for administering Cis is filed by Ncs. To city boards and commissions. It's important to note that,

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh, that the Council file management system created and managed by the office of the city clerk does not support boards and commissions. Now we have been communicating our tent to improve the portal process since November of two thousand and twenty

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh. This was the beginning of phase one of our process. We emphasized a decision to absorb the in our base budget which reflects our prioritization of the creation of a new portal, using existing resources,

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): However, maintenance of the database will continue to default to the department, even with the new portal phase one included co-hosting a Cis town hall

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): with the Budget Tribunes Um Neighborhood Council Leaders, which included our vision for the new portal phase. One also included reviewing the three web pages on the city clerk at the on the city clerk, which maintains that list of borders and commissions,

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): and then reviewed the list of fifty, and above, and ensure that the contact information on our database is current,

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): and if they use an email forwarding address like our Commission and Powerlay Org, that is the correct email address to use for our filing for for filing the Cis um, which is current um. The recording of that town fall is in our

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): workshops, and uh training webpage um in our website, so you can do that um on when you need to. Uh. The department also contacted each and see that uh we're affected with the cis's um that when you know when when it was pointed out, the Cis weren't going to the right

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh boards or commissions, or city council, um and Um Tom personally reached out to them the Director of Policy and Government affairs. Uh, he reached out to them and offer them to one, send their Cis to the correct email address personally, or invite them to resubmit their Cis.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Our general manager, sent an email to all general managers, soliciting their assistance to number two send the name of the contact for the boards and commissions, and three send the email to which Cis should be filed.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): The bunk approved, Bonk approved, sending a letter to their colleagues on boards, asking them to create a place on their agenda to receive. Cis filed by hand, sees phase two which will

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh start at the end of November, in which we will review a list of all one hundred and twenty-five plus boards and commissions listed on the city clerks, Dns Site and Roster Site and Assess, which are which of these boards and commissions are current and appropriate for Cs filings.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): One of three web pages, listed boards and commissions. Some are no longer active, or appear to be internal to a department versus created by a city council action, and then phase three of our Cis portal action.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um, and this process may be completed by early two thousand and twenty-three um of phase three We want to launch a new portal. Uh. We want to include a request in the proposed fiscal year, two thousand and twenty-three two thousand and twenty-four budget for a Cis manager to maintain the portal and database, and

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): we send education materials to N. Season departments about the portal, launch and host information informational sessions for departments on the Cs. Process and the need to enable and sees to have a voice at their boards and commissions, and how to accomplish this right of the neighbored council system.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): So I just wanted to imagine that because um

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): uh, that is a council file that is, uh both uh something that our department uh is providing guidance on, but it's also on your consent agenda on your um agenda today.

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Freddy Cupen-Ames (He/Him/His/El): Um other than that. Um! When I send when I click, send from our report you'll have more details on that.

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jim murez: Thank you, Freddie. I'm glad it was recorded, because then everybody can go back and take notes because that was real fast. Um.

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jim murez: So now we're moving on to um. So Clark, could you mute that So we don't listen to you cough?

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jim murez: I'm i'm very sorry.

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jim murez: Can we now have, Is it? Is it, Brandon? Would you like you have your hand up? You can lower your hand, and if you'd like to start to speak, please by all means introduce yourself,

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jim murez: Brenda Brendan Brendan. I don't know

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): bye.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Hello, everyone. My name is Brandon Stansell. I'm with the somebody woman Tina Mckenna's office. Uh I wanna just uh thank you for the invitation uh from Miko. Uh to make a small presentation. Introduce myself. Um! I just walked in the door so sorry I don't have my camera on. I was picking up my son from school. Uh,

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): but uh, I like I said, my name is Brandon Stan. So I built this in the one miss, and starting in June, and she was just recently uh re-elected to serve for the California State assembly for the currently the sixty-second district that would be changing into the sixty-first um. So, looking forward to hopefully building relationship and working with the Council uh, I've been with the some of the women Autumn Burke, but may didn't uh cover Venice, and what But when when I did, I mainly worked with the chamber so open to grow some relationships here with the Council.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Uh, there's something woman Hasn't been in office long, but she was able to accomplish uh getting her one and only bill us uh that we offer that we presented and got signed.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Uh, and i'll get that bill to you here. That bill is a b seventeen forty-three uh a bill that has been signed by Governor Gab Newsom. Uh, and this bill will require local governments to angly report on how many housing units were actually produced and occupied in the previous year. Uh housing is something that the Assembly woman is uh one of her passions and one of her things that she's going to be working on in the legislator, and more bills to come uh for this upcoming legislative session.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Um! And so affordable housing is one of the things that we will be focusing on. And so that was a bill that she was proud to present and get authored and signed. Uh, in this past legislative session. Um,

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): and like, I said, moving forward. Uh, I can. I will probably be uh your contact here in the office. We don't have a lot of staff as of yet.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Uh, we did interviews uh today to hopefully get some more staff. So you'll maybe see more of us uh coming up here in the near future on the Assembly. Woman will be at the then assign lighting uh down the De December third, and I will be staffing her, so I will get to meet uh, hopefully, all of you in person. Uh, and looking forward to that. And uh, I will leave my name and information here in the chat. Just so you guys can have that. And and just know that i'm always a call away.

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Brando Stan (Asm Tina McKinnor): Yeah, we actually thank you for that. We actually have you listed here on our agenda and and your email address is there as well, Perfect? Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you. Look Look forward to meeting you at the sign lighting on the third Perfect. Thank you so much for the time.

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jim murez: Thank you. Um! Is that here from uh the Supervisor's office.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh I do not see him. He didn't say he was coming. He also didn't say he was not coming

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jim murez: I can give a very brief report on the on the rack. Um i'm. I'm the member of rack. But for the last couple of months, because we've had other special meetings coming up on Monday, the night before our Board meeting. I haven't been able to attend, but we are keeping up with their issues, and and they will be coming forward to us. I am in touch with the Chris, who is doing a great job as a secretary over there, and and she's keeping me informed about the things that we need to to be working on.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: And now, if we Ivan, you don't have anything as far as the the length downtown, do you?

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jim murez: No? Okay. Um.

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jim murez: Now let's move on to our city clerk's office.

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jim murez: Have we promoted?

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Daffodil Tyminski: No, i'm uh is here. She's been promoted nine. But you should be able to speak. Yes, i'm here

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jim murez: uh process. So everybody hope everybody can listen up. And and uh she she's the woman with the answers, and her email is there. Her email address is also on the screen. So go ahead, please.

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Naima Pulliam: I'm: Well, thank you for having me tonight. Um. My name is Nima polium. And I'm going to be the election administrator for the upcoming two thousand and twenty-three election

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Naima Pulliam: Yeah. The election day is going to be Sunday, March the twenty sixth

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Naima Pulliam: this year or next year we'll be having a hybrid election model, so stakeholders will be able to vote in person, or you can also vote by mail.

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Naima Pulliam: The candidate filing period starts next Saturday, November twenty, sixth, and it will end Tuesday, January the tenth.

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Naima Pulliam: The portal will be available twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,

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Naima Pulliam: or you can also submit a paper application

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Naima Pulliam: that is the same for the both. By mail applications. You can submit them through our online portal or use a paper application, we'll be accepting those from Wednesday, January twenty, fifth, through Tuesday, March, the seventh,

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Naima Pulliam: the candidate filing and voter deadlines have been moved from five Pm. To eleven fifty-nine Pm.

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Naima Pulliam: However, Staff will only be available during regular business hours. To assist you.

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Naima Pulliam: We'll start to mail the vote by a male ballots on Sunday, February nineteenth,

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Naima Pulliam: When returning those ballots, please make sure that they are postmarked by election day,

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Naima Pulliam: and received by our office no later than Wednesday. The fit.

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Naima Pulliam: If you're unable to submit a vote by mail application, or if you don't, receive your ballot, you'll still be able to vote in person at your assigned polling place.

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Naima Pulliam: We're currently um recruiting a polling place for you as soon as it's confirmed. Then I will email the board with the information

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Naima Pulliam: we won't be using the county um own ballot drop boxes this election cycle, However, you can still drop off your vote by mail ballots at the polling place on election day

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Naima Pulliam: in accordance with the city policy. Um proof of vaccination or a negative covid test within the past seventy-two hours will be required to enter the polling place.

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Naima Pulliam: If any voter doesn't have

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Naima Pulliam: that documentation, you will be able to vote Curbside

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Naima Pulliam: masks are no longer required at polling places. However, they are strongly recommended

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Naima Pulliam: after the election will begin to tally the votes, and you can witness that via online streaming, or you will be allowed to observe in person

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Naima Pulliam: the unofficial results will be released five days after the election on Friday, March thirty first, and the official results will be released thirteen days after the election on Monday, April tenth,

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Naima Pulliam: we'll have two opportunities for stakeholders who want to participate further in the election process,

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Naima Pulliam: and that will ha be the opportunity to apply to be on the independent grievance panel,

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Naima Pulliam: or you can also sign up to be a poll worker on election day.

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Naima Pulliam: We'll have a flyer, as well as applications posted to our website. In the coming weeks.

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Naima Pulliam: You can visit our website at Clerk dot la City dot org slash Nc elections,

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Naima Pulliam: you'll be able to find all of the dates and information that I just went over, as well as additional election information.

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Naima Pulliam: The regional election schedule and the Nc. Election handbook.

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Naima Pulliam: I look forward to working with you to conduct your Neighborhood Council election, and if you have any questions or comments, you can reach us at Clerk dot elections in C at La City dot org,

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Naima Pulliam: or you can also give us a call at two, one, three, nine, seven, eight, zero, four, four, four,

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Naima Pulliam: and thank you for your time.

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jim murez: Thank you. Um! And you kept it exactly to five minutes. I'm impressed.

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jim murez: Thank you very much, and and we are working on also. Uh, just so you're aware of it. Uh getting our budget approved to be able to put in our two hundred and seventy dollars to the

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jim murez: uh Oakwood Rec center. If you're able to secure that,

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jim murez: Okay, I will let our Recruitment Department know. So they'll know that you're working on that.

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jim murez: Now let's go on to uh committee uh uh reports. Let's start with budget and finance. All the budget is going to be giving a treasures report of some sort later on. Um, J: Did you want to say anything now?

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jay handal: No, I mean basically the report that I wrote out at the last meeting is the same. We Haven't had very many additional expenditures, but if you go to the Budget page, you can see every time we log in an expenditure, whether it's Facebook or whatever

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jim murez: okay, Thank you. And just at a cure. Well, we'll get to that later. Um, Mikhail land use

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jim murez: Um neighborhoods uh daffodil.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes, Um, we had two is two things come up this month, and they will be on next month's agenda.

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Daffodil Tyminski: One was, I think, certain members of the committee, and I personally agreed that we should advocate. For not only, uh, you know, we had our last meeting calling for the resignation of certain members of city council, based on the tapes that were released, but an independent investigation as to how those tapes were made.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! This is obviously fairly heavy staff, and we'll bring it up next month on our agenda. Um. But in the meantime, on the later side, what we would like to get back to is working with the Council Office, either current or the newly installed office

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Daffodil Tyminski: on getting signs in neighborhoods where we feel that there are certain issues present that need signage. And so, for example, certain neighborhoods have a lot of kids, and there's a lot of speeding whether it be because Google or ways um routes people through those neighborhoods.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, some folks have asked us for like slow kids at play signs where I happen to live. That's not the case, but we do have a lot of beach traffic that gets lost. And so we would like, you know, Directional Beach signs things like that. So I would encourage everyone listening to the meeting with your respective neighborhood networks.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, put the word out that if you haven't particularly in your neighborhood Um! And you feel that you want certain signage up that would make something better in your neighborhood. Let me know Vp. At Venice, Nc. Dot org,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and we will um endeavor to work with our committee and the Council Office to get signage up to kind of make your neighborhood better.

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jim murez: So that's it.

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Vicki Halliday: don't see. I don't believe Jim is in town. He's away.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, Mikhail, I see you raised your hand. It was there something you'd want, I guess. Sorry I I did want to um make an announcement we're discussing, and you'll See, there's there's um motion or two to on tonight's calendar, but some of the community plan updates um. So if there are any people in the audience um! Who would like to

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Michael Jensen: make comments during that? Please join us On December third we should be talking about Lincoln Boulevard,

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Michael Jensen: and in the coming um meetings We'll also be talking about Avi Kinney and some other parts of uh, some other corridors in the uh in Venice

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jim murez: You you usually post that on your agenda. Right? Yeah, those are posted on the agenda. I just wanted to make an announcement, since there's usually a larger audience here than there is at our meeting. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Yeah. So people should know that they should go to the, to the Bnc. Calendar and see that there's an upcoming land use meeting, and that they can look at the agenda to see if it's being discussed that evening.

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jim murez: Um, let's move along to Outreach Sima. Did she show up.

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Elizabeth: Uh Sima is not yet here. Okay, um rules and selections. We don't have arts. Yeah. Just arrived. If I think she's going to join us, and I got notified in a minute. If he can take a whole time or want to move on, we might be able to come back to her later after we do the ad hoc committees if she if she shows up

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jim murez: Um, Bruno, do you have anything for us on that today? Okay, Um,

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jim murez: Keith, are you here? Community resiliency?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I do not. Uh Eric is here for resiliency. Um! I should have promoted you sooner. Hold on, Sec. And then I see also the preserving public places. Community uh

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Daffodil Tyminski: committee is here.

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jim murez: Um. So so, Erica,

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jim murez: or or if you're not promoted yet, let's let's go to homeless. Um, is, is uh Frank Murphy here? I don't believe he's here and there are no updates. There are Okay, thank you. Vicki. I know you're like Co-chair, or something of that. So,

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jim murez: and you for the record. Sima is here. Sorry I didn't see her on the zoom. Okay, I see Sima has her handra. Sima, did you want to give an outreach update?

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Sima Kostov: Good evening. Takes me a second

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Sima Kostov: to load up? Hi! Um! Thank you so much for this evening. Thanks for your patience. Uh! This morning we had our first coffee with the cops

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Sima Kostov: organized by our very own Pacific Division at Coast End. So thank you to everybody who showed up and thank you for Lapd Pacific Division for helping put that together.

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Sima Kostov: Um! They actually were the ones that reached out to us. That was great, and they hope to continue doing these throughout the neighborhood throughout Cd eleven at different locations. Um. So I think the next one they're aiming for December right for the holidays. So that's number one. Number two uh candidate filing for Vmc. Elections starts this month, November twenty, six. It'll be up on our website um as well as on our social.

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Sima Kostov: So that's the big news for November, right after the holidays.

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Sima Kostov: Also a big thing, the Venice holiday sign lighting December third. I'm. Sure, people speak to that as well, but just want to remind. And it's also a great opportunity for those that decide to run early, to actually come out and meet your constituents.

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Sima Kostov: Um! It's a local event so great way for both us as the Vmc. To be out there amongst our stakeholders, as well as

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Sima Kostov: the people that hope to run so. Um! That's all I got. But uh, if I forgot something, and uh, I need to mention something again. I will be happy to come back if Jim allows me.

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jim murez: So thank you.

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jim murez: Um, okay. Let's move on to

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jim murez: uh. Let's see community resiliency. That was

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Erica Moore: hey? There! Uh, thanks a lot for the opportunity to share for a quick moment that we will be. Have a presence at first, Fridays. We will have a booth out there that's gonna be next Friday. Oh, no, two parties from now,

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Erica Moore: and it's gonna be the day before the sign lighting. But we will also have a booth at the sign lining. So we hope to see everybody out there. We're wanting to really create a presence for resiliency. We want the community to know that

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Erica Moore: being prepared for an emergency is essential, and that we all need to band together and become educated and prepare ourselves because it is really only a matter of time before something possibly can occur. Thank you so much.

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jim murez: Thank you, Erica. We'll look for you at both events.

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Erica Moore: Sounds good.

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jim murez: Okay uh parking and transportation.

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jim murez: Robert, do you have any updates?

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robertthibodeau: Uh, we've been working on um

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robertthibodeau: trying to work with dot on the proposed.

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robertthibodeau: Uh,

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robertthibodeau: I guess They're calling it the mobility improvements for Venice Boulevard, or the the Upgrades on Venice Boulevard.

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robertthibodeau: And if people want to participate in that, our meetings are typically the first Monday of every month at seven. So if you

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robertthibodeau: have an opinion, your driver, you're a biker, you're a pedestrian. You're a bus rider. You might want to um

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robertthibodeau: check in. And uh, so we've been working on that. We've been working on Some

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robertthibodeau: suggested safety improvements for the stretch of Ab to Kenny between Venice and Washington. These are all stakeholder-driven uh items. Um.

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robertthibodeau: And uh, yeah, like I said first Monday seven, it's in the agenda, and uh look forward to seeing anybody who's interested in parking and transportation type stuff.

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jim murez: Thank you. Um.

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jim murez: Is anybody here from the Arbor Committee?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh: yeah, I'm Here, Jim, can you enable sharing screen.

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jim murez: Let's see. How do I do that?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay, Hi! My name is Isabel Dovier. Let's see. Can you see that? Let's see. Oh, dear, everything. Well, yeah, but that's not what I wanted.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um

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Isabelle Duvivier: There we go uh Venice Arbor Committee. I'm. Here to present a couple of happy stories. This street is one of the best tree covered street in in Venice. It's on superb avenue. Two of these beautiful trees were slated for removal.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh, you can see the damage that they've done on the right side to this driveway, and on this side. There are two trees in front of this home. We worked um really hard with the urban forestry and streets. La! And about a week ago they did this. So this is here, but the before again, and over here you can see the after they were able to narrow the sidewalk from uh five feet to three feet around the tree, and then give it the necessary bulbout for the Ada compliant

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Isabelle Duvivier: around space. But you can see we were able to save these two trees. It was really challenging, but it's um very rewarding. So the hopefully that'll be a model for the rest of the street, which has a lot of um road damage

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Isabelle Duvivier: um burden. Venice Group and Venice Arbert Committee worked with a coal clear phone ten on their new campus before they call it. Now, the forest campus. You can see that they're now using this particular school to highlight the the uh, the work they're doing. Um, so we help them plant these native trees on what used to be, and all asphalt campus.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Um Every Saturday, from eight to ten we work this a Saturday. We will be at Fifth and Broadway. You can see all the little baby trees on the lower right corner. Those are trees we planted about

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Isabelle Duvivier: two years ago. They're probably year older than you can see in this photo, but they're coming along great. And so this week we will be mulching on doing some structural pruning, since we've had some rain we we're not so worried about watering them, and some of our members are getting younger, which is really great.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Uh last, but not least I wanted to share with you that um. We will be on the Venice art crawl. We are having a show in my office, which is a three-five Westminster Avenue. It's called for the Love of Trees, where we will be showcasing the artwork of various members of Varb and and Venice group. Thank you so much. I'll stop sharing Now,

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Sima Kostov: we When is that when is the art crawl? That will be December second?

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Isabelle Duvivier: Okay. Thank you for six to ten.

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jim murez: Moving right along.

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jim murez: Thank you

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jim murez: for a brief presentation, as always. Um discussion for him is Joe Murphy here?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't think Joe is, although let me take a double.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I don't think so. I think Joe may have left a little early for Thanksgiving, so well, I I would say, let's just, and if anyone's here raise your hand for that committee, but I would say, let's roll them to the next month. And now now, um

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Daffodil Tyminski: preserving public spaces. Um! Did you promote Robin or somebody?

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jim murez: I called. I called on him, and he said, No, but if he does he can raise his hand,

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Daffodil Tyminski: preserving public spaces. And, Bruno, if you want to speak, raise your hand.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Hi, Can you hear me?

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Okay, So it's preserving public places? Um. And if I can do a screen share. I'll give that a try.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: So this came to my attention just by uh coincidence and luck. Um, without seemingly without any notice or any public outreach.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: uh county department of is it? Um beaches and Harbors has a plan to

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Preserving Public Places Committee: take down the tower on our iconic um Venice Life Guard station. It was built fifty-three years ago. It is the only look out on the Santa Monica Bay and is said to be an absolutely awesome view. Um!

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Preserving Public Places Committee: They have already gone to the Coastal Commission and gotten a waiver of the

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Preserving Public Places Committee: to do the demolition. Um there? Have they not provided any kind of documentation with that, as far as what the feasibility study is. Um, i'm told that they want to remove it because it has to.

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jim murez: We're losing you, Robin, you're breaking up. Maybe you need to stop sharing your screen and just speak

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jim murez: um. I don't know the If you stop sharing the screen, then we'll be able to hear you. You're You're breaking up.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Okay, it's. Let me see if I can do that.

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jim murez: Did that Stop the screen Share

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Well, so the bottom line is, You'll be getting a motion next month, which is as soon as we can get it to you um to save the Life Guard Tower. Um, if it cannot be used by the lifeguards

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Life Guards themselves including the Um, a retired chief of forty-two years of Life Guards. Mickey Gallagher has suggested it would be in that fabulous location for a museum for the Life Guards. They've always wanted one. Um, Tim Rudnick, who's

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Preserving Public Places Committee: creating the vent? Venice Oceanarium would love it for that. It could be just a public um observation.

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jim murez: Okay, Let's get back to the agenda. I think that was a very important report, and I appreciate it, Robin.

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Daffodil Tyminski: But we don't want to go into all the detail. Now we'll we'll get into it as time comes. And and Jim that was great. If you could just allow us to speak. I think they have a event that's timely. Yeah, I was going to call on Bruno. Is that who you were referring to? Yeah, yeah, I had said I would come back to him, and i'm going to do that. Okay,

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Bruno Hernandez: Go ahead. Bruno. Um! On Monday, November Twenty First uh the Arts Committee. We're gonna uh team up with the district eleven, and um hope be part of hosting the Thanksgiving in Oakwood. The same event we had last year, only this time it's at New Bethel Bach's Church.

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Bruno Hernandez: Um! It's a community meal from eleven to two will be serving hop plates, and from two to four We'll be giving out turkeys, So if anybody is interested in helping out participating, or just know somebody that either needs a turkey or could use a hot plate uh send them our way

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jim murez: one more time the date

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Bruno Hernandez: it's eleven to two for the hot food and two to four for the the food. Give away the turkey giveaway.

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jim murez: Thank you.

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jim murez: Um

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jim murez: see, my see, your hand is up, which means you're itching to say something. Let's hear it.

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Sima Kostov: Bruno sent me that information. Thank you, Bruno. Um! So we'll be posting that as well. Uh, I did forget one thing, and this came out of the coffee uh this morning

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Sima Kostov: uh the police are gonna be doing another toy drive. So we're working on a drop off station uh here in Venice. Maybe the farmers market. Uh, but definitely, definitely, please bring your toys

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Sima Kostov: any donated toys to our booth, or actually our table at the Vnc. At the then assign lighting on December third. So that was actually a request. Please, please, please. We haven't had

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Sima Kostov: that many toys that were donated in the last couple of years for obvious reasons. So please make this one count.

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jim murez: Okay, Thank you. Um.

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jim murez: So i'm going to start my uh President's uh report by

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jim murez: closing nominations for the community officer's seat.

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jim murez: And uh, with that let me say that I have, since this meeting started posted but yet one more application for a community officer. Um on our website, which is what I was doing at the beginning of the meeting, and I am just right now double checking to make sure

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jim murez: that there were no other uh nominations that were submitted, or candidates that submitted a nomination for the vacancy, and there are none since the beginning of the meeting. So the nominations for the vacant Board officer seat is the community officer seat is now closed.

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jim murez: Um! We are still seeking a community officer uh to uh share the rules and Selections Committee, and uh, we don't have one at this time. But

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jim murez: if anybody on the board that's a community officer only um wants to step up to that. By all means. Please reach out, and we'll get you on Adc's agenda for next month.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! Having said that, let's move on to the approval of,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and I it just clarify. So everyone in the public knows I don't care either way, but didn't we have applications.

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jim murez: We now have three.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We now have three, and so we're not going to hear them now, or we're going to

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jim murez: just go back and look. I think it was under new business.

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jim murez: Um

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jim murez: we had a place where the one application that we had gotten in at the time.

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jim murez: Yeah, here's selection of board officers. So this item number twenty-five. We will hear all three of them at the time the the Uh Adc. Um put together the agenda. We only had one, and we've since received two more. So we'll come back to that later. Thank you for pointing that out to have a though.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I just. I mean, if we could fill the seat. It's be great, you know.

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Daffodil Tyminski: You want to rearrange the agenda and do that. Do that Now is that what? You're saying it's. Item number twenty-five on the agenda.

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jim murez: Okay, If if I could get somebody to make the uh motion to uh approve the previous board minutes.

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jim murez: Thank you. Nico.

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jim murez: Um. Do we have any public comment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Let me take a look. We do. Um. We've got a couple of names, Yolanda Gonzalez. Remember, this is public comment on the minutes.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, So if you want to speak on the minutes on last meeting, go ahead. You'll Wanda. No, because I haven't had a chance to read them.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Come back. Whenever we get to your issue we'll take public comment for you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: All right. Thanks, Joanna. Uh Daniel.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh Daniel put his hand in. Yeah, I don't think there's public comment really on this issue. Maybe there is Daniel.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Go ahead.

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Daffodil Tyminski: If you have a comment on,

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Daniel Liggett: Okay? Well, it's not Daniel. It's his wife, Marianne. Um! And can I just make a general comment on things I could comment on whether we approve the minutes from the last. Okay, Okay, take me off. Sorry i'll read lower my hand.

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Daniel Liggett: Okay. But we'll take you. Stay online. We'll take you to the appropriate. We'll do. I've been on since day since minute. One so okay,

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Daffodil Tyminski: And then we have Klani W.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And with climbing we'll close public comment. Go ahead. What is your

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Kalani W: Hello? I I have had concerns about meeting minutes being um

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Kalani W: not as detailed as they used to be. I don't know if this came from in power, la or bonk, or what? But all meeting minutes throughout the Neighborhood Council system seems to have been watered down, and that call is caused for concern because it does not provide an accurate template

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Kalani W: or or record of who said what and what was said. Oftentimes it's it. The meeting minutes are very general, and I would like to see more detail at it. I realize it's time consuming and and cost prohibitive. But if it we do need an accurate record, so that we can refer to what happened on what date? Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. Colony.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Loha: Um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, That's public comment on that.

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jim murez: Thank you. Okay. Did anybody on the uh board want to, uh

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jim murez: have anything to say about the

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: prior minutes before we take a vote.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay?

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Oh, I notice that seam is not checked in. Let me do that real quick.

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jim murez: Maybe this first time through I should see. Did Melissa or solid that, or Jim Rob show up?

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: So um. Did anybody want to abstain from approving these, or does anyone want to vote? No.

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Otherwise I will just go through and mark everyone as a Yes.

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jim murez: Oops missed one

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jim murez: kind of going too fast there.

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jim murez: Great

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jim murez: uh Zachary! Um! Do you want to? Actually, you know? Let me just zach. This is the first meeting you've been at. I don't know if you were at the last meeting. Um!

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jim murez: You usually don't want to approve a set of minutes, or you know the minutes if you weren't at the meeting. Um! Did you want to abstain from that?

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Zack Best: I was gonna ask that,

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jim murez: Zach? Did you review the minutes from the last meeting

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jim murez: that that that would be the more correct thing to do.

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jim murez: Thank you, and and again welcome. Um. Okay, let's go on the treasurer's report um. J: I didn't put in a copy of last month's report, but I don't believe we had a mer report. Did you want to comment on that?

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jay handal: Yes,

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jay handal: so we don't have murm reports because we still have two outstanding issues with uh the city clerk on receipts

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jay handal: that we are getting straightened out. Um, hopefully by next month we will get those reports generated. They won't let you generate them until they approve uh all the expenses that go through, and by approved that means I have to upload into their portal

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jay handal: a copy of the invoice and a copy of the Uh paid receipt.

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jay handal: Unfortunately, some of the people we do business with. When we pay with the P card they don't give you a paid where, you see, because you're doing it online.

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jay handal: So, and in the case of the public storage place. I end up going down to Venice Boulevard every month now to pull a copy of the receipt. I have them print me one, so I can scan it and put it in, coupled with that is, when you get the invoice,

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jay handal: and you put it into the portal.

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jay handal: Now, when I put in the paid receipt,

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jay handal: it knocks out the invoice. So then you get a kick back, saying I need the invoice and the paid receipt. You think the geniuses downtown would have put in two buttons for edits, but that would have been too simple.

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jay handal: So Therefore uh, you then have to go back and re-scan the invoice with the paid receipt into one Pdf. And resubmit it again. So anybody who wants to be treasurer, have fun. This is really not a lot of fun. I'll tell all of you,

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jay handal: because the city clerk's office doesn't make it easy for anybody. So that's why we don't have the Mors again. I tell everybody. Go to the budget page

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jay handal: of this, Mc. And you can see the running budget by category of how much money is left in each of the categories. Um. And if there's any questions, you know, I can feel them offline, or you know, by email, If anybody has any questions,

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jim murez: Thank you. J: We do appreciate it. Um Now let's take uh announcements and the public comment: Um, if if Oh, i'm sorry. Um, Elizabeth, you're on the board. Did you have a question for Jay?

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jim murez: Uh so Elizabeth Williams, who had her? No, there was Elizabeth. I thought I saw Elizabeth Clay's hands go up. Maybe I miss. Maybe I missed it. I'm sorry. Just flash there for a moment. Nothing okay. Sorry You have a the public name, Elizabeth Williams, who would like to make a public comment, I imagine, on Item Eleven.

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jim murez: Yeah. So let's take public comment on items not on the agenda. Um. Everybody gets a minute to speak when your time's up, please stop and try to remember to lower your hand. Daffodil will uh we'll call your name out, and and uh, you know, when your time's up,

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Daffodil Tyminski: please stop. Thank you.

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Elizabeth Williams: Hi! Can you hear me?

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Elizabeth Williams: Well, good evening, uh everyone again, and thank you for everything you do for our community. I really appreciate it. Um, I live in the seven hundred block of Flower Avenue. I spoke um at a meeting recently about our encampment situation. Um,

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Elizabeth Williams: nothing has changed. It has remained dire. Um! I made the mistake of turning onto our street a few times this last week in the evening, and um!

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Elizabeth Williams: There was so many stuff, and a person sitting in the middle of the street. It's extremely hazardous and naked woman tumbled out of a van behind the community center in my alley today with two gentlemen in the van. It was very disturbing. Someone went into my neighbor's yard with a look out.

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Elizabeth Williams: Um and I had to go back into the alley. A lot of things have been happening. We need assistance. We need forty, one, eighteen, and we need a place for these people to go.

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jim murez: Daffodil. Let me just quickly respond to this, just because we do know the problem. Um, I don't know if you were here at the beginning of the meeting, but Senior lead officer

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jim murez: um monique contrace, and her contact is actually listed up under our lapd section. She did say that they were going to be working in that area. She is been aware of the situation, and and I know it doesn't change anything but, uh, uh,

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jim murez: Adrian Acosta, who is who is the senior lead for that area has not been in the office, and and I guess that between the two various things that are going on with lapd and sanitation. Um, They should be out there shortly. So, hopefully you'll see something in the next week or so.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, hopefully.

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Daniel Liggett: Hi, Um. This is Daniel's wife, Marianne. I'm going to speak. I'm: that's okay. That's okay. Uh, First of all, I want to give a shout out to Bruno for the Thanksgiving thing he's doing at the Um Baptist Church and Isabel for the trees and seama for the choice, because I've been on the meeting since beginning.

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Daniel Liggett: Um, basically What I want to say is that the city has the city, not you guys, has done nothing to address and remove permanently. Remove the encampment on the end of our street. I'm. A flower avenue resident and homeowner,

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Daniel Liggett: and although there was a clean up today a spot clean up as off, you can trust uh indicated it Doesn't. Make any difference, and hopefully, there will be a big clean up tomorrow, but it don't make any difference.

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Daniel Liggett: Um, in the October meeting six of us residents that have spoken, and still nothing has been done, and what I would urge you all to do is to check out the article and the fires on the Argonaut that that Clark road? And why are we not considering the vacant lots of lax?

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Daniel Liggett: It's getting cold, and there are going to be more fires, and we are very afraid. Thank you for your time.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Marianne.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh Yolanda Gonzales. Why, don't you go next?

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I'm taking you on my screen. By the way,

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Yolanda Gonzalez: uh presentations, I want to participate. Go back and participate to Link, because we with the Cis uh we uh that, Freddie reported. I want to be part of it with other neighborhood Council, so I can bring it back to our Neighborhood Council because we need back up into some modifications and probably charter changes into our neighborhood Council movement. Number two.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Anybody having an encampments near their home. Just be careful. I almost got

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Yolanda Gonzalez: uh assaulted by a man with a wrench on his hand, and the police took a long time to get to my place, and they he was really destroying the canopy and the uh, the the announcement on the canopy. But they cleaned it up the next day. They really covered this one up very, very, very quickly.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Number three. I want to see I I have a hard time zooming into some meetings. I can zoom into this our meeting, but sometimes zooming into the other meetings that uh you have. I dial in, and it's yeah,

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jim murez: Yolanda, Your time is expired. I just wanted to comment. If you want to reach out to me. This is Jim Offline. Um. We can talk about the link appointment.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Okay, Thank you. Your Time's up. I'm: Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Joanna. I'm Nick Cantella.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Welcome. Go ahead.

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Nick Antonicello: Yes, uh!

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Nick Antonicello: Regarding the flowers,

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Nick Antonicello: the property that the long Lincoln Boulevard, the debris has been removed as of today.

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Nick Antonicello: My understanding that

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Nick Antonicello: sanitation. You get it tomorrow, if that helps at all.

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Nick Antonicello: My other concern is the

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Nick Antonicello: exactly

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh, nick you cut out there for a moment.

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Nick Antonicello: We can't hear you,

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Nick Antonicello: and I expect to see them on the agenda for the December meeting. That

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Nick.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh Elizabeth. Right?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um!

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Daffodil Tyminski: Oh,

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Daffodil Tyminski: go ahead.

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Elizabeth Wright: Hello, um to board members and committee members uh committee chairs. Um, You really do need some educational or refresher on how to write a motion. There are so many motions on the agenda

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Elizabeth Wright: that are coming from committees, and they say the committee requ uh requests.

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Elizabeth Wright: Um,

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Elizabeth Wright: please take care of the education part. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Liz

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Daffodil Tyminski: uh Helen Fallon, go ahead.

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Helen Fallon: Um! I just want to encourage this uh Neighborhood Council to follow their bylaws pay attention to them. We seem to have a problem, ignoring details.

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Helen Fallon: For example, um Board members, all of you are responsible because through the bylaws and through the funding rules and the training, you took that a monthly financial report is required from the treasurer.

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Helen Fallon: It it doesn't matter whether the Merse available or not. You all need to know what the balances are in those accounts. So you don't end up in a position you were months ago with a whole lot of money left, because not, you know. I don't know what we're supposed to be looking at. I j refer to some something on our at our Nc.

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Helen Fallon: Website. I haven't seen it uh I'm. Assuming he's talking about the the portal that's through in power that you can look through, but that's not sufficient. It should be reported here at the Council, so that the public knows exactly how much money there is available and what it's designated for. Thank you, and start following your rules.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: go ahead.

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Kalani W: Yes, I think it should be noticed that the homeless do consume a disproportional part of our city budget and our city resources, with the number of fires and the police that are

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Kalani W: are required to to

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Kalani W: monitor their misbehavior. Uh that being, said I, I was attended the last um

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Kalani W: v and c forum, and they had a homeless young man speak at the Forum, and I

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Kalani W: i'm paraphrasing here. But the homeless young man mentioned that you know he's now got a roof over his head. He's given up, he's! He bouncing back from his drug addiction. But

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Kalani W: aside from the roof that he now has over his head, he was so pleased that he also has a car. The car is giving him freedom and independence, and and this is why i'm pushing back against La Dealt trying to choke us out of our cars and force us onto their their failed mass transit. With all of these road diets they're putting throughout the West side. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I'm sorry I had a bit of a seizing fit there. Thank you. Colony.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Lisa Redmond. Go ahead.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I'm: I just unmuted. Uh, Okay,

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Lisa Redmond: Did I really hear the Tree Committee? People say that they got trees for a private school? Um in a private church campus? Um, i'd love some more clarification on that, and that they worked on that. Um that just doesn't seem

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Lisa Redmond: proper for a business neighborhood Council

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Lisa Redmond: our committee to do um. I really want to bring it back to the first person that spoke from Flower Avenue, and I know the frustrations. There are high Um, and i'm just going to point out that, you know sweeps and sanitation is, she said. It doesn't help um,

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Lisa Redmond: and all it does is make people worse off for being homeless. But The last thing, she said is, we need places for people to go. This is what is going to solve homelessness. Our homes,

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Lisa Redmond: So everybody should be working, not to scream for sanitation and for the police. But we should all be screaming for the city to do their job and work on getting some housing in. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Lisa.

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jim murez: Um, We have two more speakers. We have Rick Garvey and Daniel leg it, and after Daniel we are closing our public comments.

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Daffodil Tyminski: They need to be demoted, and then they hand this up, meaning that they wanted to speak in public comment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: why don't we start, though?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Give me one sec for the zoom to catch up.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We have Rick Garvey on behalf of himself, and I believe the Rand Corporation.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Rick. Why, don't you go ahead.

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Rick Garvey he/his, RAND Survey Research Group: Thanks a lot. I appreciate that. Um! That's just my I work at the Ran Corporation, so it's part of my signature. Now,

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Rick Garvey he/his, RAND Survey Research Group: um! I wanted to echo Lisa's comment about housing. I think hopefully. Everybody understands how cold it's this week, and that people outside don't want to be outside. They want to be housed. We recently did a study where we interviewed four hundred homeless folks in La Ninety percent said they wanted housing.

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Rick Garvey he/his, RAND Survey Research Group: There's not even a winter shelter again. I don't know if you guys are aware of that. But this is now the second year in a row where we do not have a winter shelter in Spa five.

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Rick Garvey he/his, RAND Survey Research Group: There's nowhere for people to go, and I get that. People are frustrated by encampments, but just sending sanitation to clean up an encampment does not actually solve homelessness.

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Rick Garvey he/his, RAND Survey Research Group: It actually just moves people around and makes things harder for everybody. They're not around to get in touch with their case managers. They lose their belongings plenty of times, and they just lose their sense of community. What small sense they had. So I hope you guys would all support any housing programs that come along, we stated in being the big one that's coming, and I think you should support a wear shelter in our area. Thanks.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Rick.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And then we have um

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Daffodil Tyminski: Daniel leg it who may or may not be Marianne. Uh, go ahead.

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Daniel Liggett: No, this time it's Daniel. I just wanted to respond. Really, can you hear me? Yeah, I I just wanted to respond to the fact that the people on our block on the end of flower at Lincoln are not poor people that lost their homes. These are career

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Daniel Liggett: drug addicts who are just making a professional spectacle out there at the corner. They're they're They're just abusing the whole system. They're doing their drugs. They They have the hookers going on in and out of there, and with this cold weather. As people mentioned,

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Daniel Liggett: they are so close to the building on the corner they may burn it down, and they've gotten really close twice,

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Daniel Liggett: and the the clean ups get the debris out of the streets that are blocking the parking spaces for the people on our block, and the businesses around that are that are being that are being prohibited for parking on the street, because the debris is in the street, and the people are in the street. So we need the clean ups.

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Daniel Liggett: It's Let's say i'm. I just had to say Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! So we have two more speakers. We're closing public comment, preserving public faces, and Elizabeth Williams

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Daffodil Tyminski: um preserving public Places Committee. Go ahead.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: Uh! Can you hear me this time? Good! So quick comment? Um! I know that the Bmc. Is sponsoring the sign lighting event. Yet I just received email from the

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Preserving Public Places Committee: uh Chamber that mentioned a name sponsor and doesn't say anything about the Neighborhood Council. So. Um! If there's some money going into sponsorship, you may want to get some visibility with the media that the Chamberlain, anybody can talk about anything. Um, i'm hearing another voice.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: The other thing I wanted to bring up was: Um, you guys on the agenda information about the digital signage. But you don't have the information about the sidewalk.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, So I think because of some cross-top, maybe someone hit a mute All

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Daffodil Tyminski: um robin Why don't you go ahead, but you need to unmute. But if you're talking about something on the agenda, wait until we get to that agenda. Item:

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Preserving Public Places Committee: right? So i'm concerned that it's not on the agenda. There is a related issue on the agenda about digital signage, but it's not addressing the digital um sidewalk panels that the city has apparently already approved and would cause

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Preserving Public Places Committee: um I I I can't see right now the number, but it was a significant number of

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Preserving Public Places Committee: sidewalk billboards that would be blocking our streets in our sidewalks in Venice.

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Preserving Public Places Committee: So if you can.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Alright, thank you uh Robin, reach out to me independently,

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Preserving Public Places Committee: and we'll try to

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Daffodil Tyminski: what

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Preserving Public Places Committee: I I sent it to both Jim and Robert Tibeto. And again, something related is on the agenda. But this um matter is not, and you can add it. It would be great.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, thanks for letting us know.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And then last, but certainly not least sorry for the delay. Elizabeth Williams. Why, don't you go ahead?

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Elizabeth Williams: Yeah, Hi! I just. I just need to come back on and reply I I might have been misunderstood here. I I do not feel like this. My encampment situation here of the last seven years is a housing issue at all. We have quite a bit of services surrounding Flower Avenue, and our situation is getting worse and worse.

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Elizabeth Williams: I grew up on food, stamps, and welfare. I believe in services, I believe in housing, but these people are not looking for housing, and i'm pretty sure that the Rand has gone on their studies to this encampment multiple times, and maybe they're being misled.

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Elizabeth Williams: But I've been living here with this encampment for seven years. It is a revolving cast of characters. It is prostitution, it is drug dealing. It is drug, doing, and it is not down and out. I can't afford my rent in a rent control. Los Angeles apartment situation. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Elizabeth.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! With that everyone will close public comment.

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Nico Ruderman: Dam you're muted

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jim murez: wasn't me. So we're going to old business and consent at this point, Jim: Yeah, yeah, I got that um. I just wanted to to make it clear to everybody listening tonight that the Vnc. Is not sponsoring. Um the sign lighting. We are a participant.

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jim murez: We passed a motion last month to uh have certain activities uh, uh, taken at the sign lighting the sign Lighting Folks. The Chamber have have been kind enough to give us a a booth space,

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jim murez: and I believe our uh Resiliency Committee is also getting a booth space. Um, we're not sponsoring them. They're sponsoring us.

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jim murez: Okay, let's move on to old business. Uh general consent. Calendar

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jim murez: um. We had

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jim murez: an item about the digital signage. Um

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jim murez: for the Consent Calendar. Let's see. We also had Venice Boulevard Improvement project concerns

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jim murez: um withholding support for the the mobility, two thousand and thirty-five transportation, and these were all items um support for a position regarding ordinance

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jim murez: one thousand eight hundred and seven,

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jim murez: four to seven speed limit reduction. These are items that were passed in in a committee um where the vote was unanimous, and they're all on consent.

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jim murez: Um if I don't hear any

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: I like to move the consent calendar, please.

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Daffodil Tyminski: We can do that. We'd have somebody that has their hand up. Let's see which one they want to take off. Did you want to take one off to A.

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Daffodil Tyminski: No, I don't. But why don't we um Lisa? Which one did you want to take off?

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Lisa Redmond: I want to take fifteen off?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah. So yeah, it seems to me, Jim, we excuse me. I'm conducting this meeting. Thank you. We will take fifteen off. Did anybody want to take any other items off?

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jay handal: I am in my move, Jim, I said. I am me my most to move all except for fifteen. Thank you. Um, seeing there with no other uh

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jim murez: people requesting anything being taken off. So items fourteen

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jim murez: and item sixteen will be approved by consent. Item, fifteen will be heard as the last item on the agenda.

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jim murez: Um, we'll come back to item fifteen

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jim murez: um.

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jim murez: Let's go on to the land use and planning

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jim murez: uh consent. Calendar

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jim murez: um. There was a proposed

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jim murez: um update to the land use uh plan.

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jim murez: That was item Number eighteen.

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jim murez: Item number nineteen is a draft concept regarding Rose Avenue Corridor,

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jim murez: and that was it those two items. So that would be uh eighteen and nineteen. Does anybody have any reason to not have those go on consent,

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jim murez: or is that not on consent? It was not. It was not unanimous.

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Helen Fallon: Those from one of them, I know, has changes to recommends changes to setbacks, et cetera. So just pull them both.

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Helen Fallon: Which one, Helen,

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jim murez: you want to pull them both. Okay? Well, they'll both be heard at the end of the

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Helen Fallon: Actually, Actually, we made it very clear. And it's it's stated now in uh in our uh standing rules. I believe that you do need to give a reason.

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Helen Fallon: One of them needs to be discussed

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Helen Fallon: uh discussing the merits of this, which is inappropriate. It's concerned

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jim murez: for reason, and and I guess you're saying that there's a zoning issue, but that it's all described here. You saying there's something that's not described here.

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jim murez: I don't like the increase in height limits, and set that and and the decrease in step back. So I mean, why can't I pull it? For that reason? Thank you. We will discuss them then, for those reasons. Um! And they will be moved to the end of the land. Use uh portion. Cj: I saw your hand went up for a minute. Did you want to

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say something, or

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jim murez: we're going to hear the items?

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jim murez: No, I just wanted to agree, because i'm not real gung. How about them, either. But I do. I did speak at land. Yeah, loop there. Okay, all right. So so now let's uh take Lupac. New business. This would be um item Number twenty-one, six hundred and forty-seven Westminster

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jim murez: Um, Mikkel, do you want to describe this actually we need a motion first? Mikkel? Do you want to make the motion. Yeah, I mean motion to approve the project as presented. By the way, the one vote on that was an extension.

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jim murez: Yeah, we needed to be unanimous. Okay, Sorry

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jim murez: you You might be right. Um. But let's go ahead and hear it now, anyway. So so we have a Do we have a second, Jim. Thank you, Vicki. I can't hear there's so many people speaking over each other.

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jim murez: Let's keep this orderly. Okay, Mikkel, do you want to describe the project to us.

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Michael Jensen: Yeah. So this is a uh conversion of a garage uh, or an addition to it to make an ad you

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Michael Jensen: uh seven hundred and seventy-four square feet being added a roof deck.

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Michael Jensen: The project does not seek any

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Michael Jensen: variances or waivers from the specific plan or municipal code,

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Michael Jensen: and it was passed unanimously with one extension at Uh.

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jim murez: Okay, Do we have any public comment?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I'm: taking a look. Now,

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Daffodil Tyminski: I do not see any public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, Do we have any committee comment? I see Ally has her hand up.

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alley bean: So we're going to close public comments.

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jim murez: I I don't. I just know about the consent that I agree. Okay, Thank you, Allie. Um Cj: Did you? Uh have something you wanted to say on this project.

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Your hand is up.

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jim murez: Thank you Cj. Um, seeing no additional committee comment.

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jim murez: Let's take a vote.

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jim murez: Um

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jim murez: Daffodil, How do you vote?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yes,

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jay handal: J. How do you vote?

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jim murez: Vicki? Yes,

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jim murez: Nico.

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Nico Ruderman: Yes,

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Jason Sugars: Jason Jason. Yes,

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jim murez: alli

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Daffodil Tyminski: um yeah. I just. I just muted Alley accidentally. Sorry.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Sorry, really.

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jim murez: Hey, Allie, how do you vote?

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Daffodil Tyminski: I think she already said, Yes,

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jim murez: i'll come back to Alley. I Haven't heard her say Yes,

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jim murez: she did. I think we all heard it. But okay, I didn't hear it. I'm sorry if if everybody agrees she heard it. They heard it. Then i'll go ahead and check it. But I didn't ever heard it. Kai, go ahead. Thank you, Mike. Yes,

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jim murez: Cj: Yes, Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth: Yes,

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robertthibodeau: Robert.

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jim murez: Yes, thank you, Michelle.

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alley bean: Yes, and Zachary.

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Zack Best: Is that a faint? Yes, yes,

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alley bean: thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I will get a mute everybody. Um, Jim, and just unmute yourself to go forward.

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jim murez: Okay, Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: yeah, Jim, You need to unmute yourself to go forward.

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jim murez: I muted you apologies. I was muting everyone just to keep us going.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you.

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jim murez: Um.

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jim murez: Item Number twenty-three under new business. The Vnc. Election plan

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jim murez: um

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jim murez: Can I get somebody to make a motion, and then we will get it seconded, and then I'm going to call for Christopher to speak to us about it.

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jim murez: Thank you, Jay.

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jim murez: We have a second

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CJ Cole: i'll. I'll second

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jim murez: um.

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jim murez: Christopher, Are you online?

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jim murez: Yeah, it's just taking a minute for the zoom to pick up. But yes, okay. And there are three attachments here. The third attachment is the actual plan. Christopher I'm. Going to stop sharing my screen, and if you want to take like five minutes to just walk us through the plan. I think that that would help inform everyone about all the great work you've done on putting this together

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jim murez: um for the outreach committee, and and uh,

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'll let you take it away. Are you there? And also, could we walk through what was presented, and what we just got? So we know what we have and what we didn't have before.

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jim murez: Um. So there were some revisions that were asked to be made. Um, if the adcom meeting last week,

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jim murez: And yeah, Christopher, if, as you're going through it, you can touch on what those um revisions were that that we're asked of you to to make to the plan that would be great.

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jim murez: We're we didn't say the outreach committee did anything other than uh have Christopher on the committee, and he gr for created a great plan. Thank you. Um!

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jim murez: If you could put your hand down that, Sima, that would be appreciated,

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jim murez: Christopher, do you want to start sharing the screen and take the the microphone. There we go. Great. Thank you.

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Christopher Lee: Okay. Great title slide. I think we're We know what we're all here to discuss. So proceeding on um timeline. This outlines the key dates as provided by the city clerk's office

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Christopher Lee: uh, as mentioned earlier from uh our representative there. Candidate filing does start on November twenty sixth. So it is imperative that we start taking action on this uh soon, very soon.

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Christopher Lee: Uh here's the official timeline as provided by the city clerk's office. So this just goes into more detail with additional information that they're providing not things that are necessarily key deadlines to be actionable, but things that we should keep in mind uh that deadlock. That

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Christopher Lee: timeline goes on for the next page a couple of pages,

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Christopher Lee: and the communication schedule has been truncated. That was one of the requests from a stakeholder. Um, Since this was originally drafted back in late September, it did account for communications going out in October and November, since that is, we are already in mid November. The communication schedule has been truncated to account for the loss of that time. So we are looking at press releases for the candidate, filing and making a request through that press release. Uh this this coming month

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Christopher Lee: uh, and also in February we're repeating a press release with in-person voting information how to vote by mail and our voter guide um. Finally, in april the results, the communication schedule goes on to detail what we would do with our social media campaigns and messaging our email campaigns and messaging our planned mailer. And finally, the events that we intend to activate during the course of this election season, with the Venice sign lining coming up in about two and a half weeks.

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Christopher Lee: The press outlets that have been selected are all local to Venice. So we have the Argonaut. What side current Venice, Paparazzi uh, Then a speech Head and yo Venice, uh, of course, open to additional suggestions, since this will be an informational press release going out to these outlets,

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Christopher Lee: social media, this details in greater um clarity. What each of those bullet points that were listed in the communication schedule might look like.

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Christopher Lee: So, going in December, we build the narrative of what is the Vnc. And then from that going into the candidate filing requests uh that, then goes into the candidate filing information. And then, in January and February we start elaborating on the vote by mail information. Now this communication detail goes on for all of the communications that have been outlined in the communication schedule. Um, if there's anything that needs to be expanded in greater clarity during this meeting, please let me

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Christopher Lee: know. Otherwise it is available, attached as part of the agenda for your review.

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Christopher Lee: Finally, mailers, we are looking at one mailer, originally suggested as a five by seven postcard going out in February with vote by mail information, I will address the stakeholder concerns that have been brought up multiple times. In the recommendation section of this uh

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Christopher Lee: this presentation

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Christopher Lee: the mailers are targeting all of what is defined as Venice. So this is the area map of what is defined as Venice, so that covers something like twenty-five postal routes in nine hundred and two hundred and ninety-one and thirteen postal routes in nine hundred and two hundred and ninety-two. Now this is through the Us. P. S edm service. So that's the direct door. Mailers So this will guarantee that we get to every door within these blue, highlighted postal routes.

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Christopher Lee: As you can see, this has been carefully selected to omit things that are not included as part of Venice within that uh first map

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Christopher Lee: now targeting. We are looking at breaking up how we're approaching this into four uh verticals, community interest and businesses, homeowners, renters, and the unhoused.

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Christopher Lee: This goes into greater detail for each of those verticals between physical outreach, digital outreach and what partner organizations exist within our community that we will lean on to generate interest in this election. So, for example, for community interest in business,

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Christopher Lee: physical outreach, i'm recommending a team of eight volunteers for four days during the season, going out to drop off physical postcards and managers and owners with scannable information for rapid outreach to the people who work in Venice as they are technically stakeholders.

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Christopher Lee: Posters can be available if requested or appropriate to post in the business, and the intention here is to drive additional community engagement by having the artwork for these posters generated by local Venetian artists. Um.

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Christopher Lee: Some partner organizations to lean into would be like the Venice Chamber, with the sign lighting the Venice Beach, bid the Abbey Kenny Merchant Association, and making sure that we're included on their email mentions for the election, and that people are paying attention to what's going on, especially since we have uh our elections moved up this year.

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Christopher Lee: That same kind of detail goes into each of the verticals, so physical, outreach, digital, outreach, and partner organizations and community outreach for the other vertical, so homeowners, renters, and the unhoused

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Christopher Lee: finally, the resources that would be built for this would be the web page within the Vnc site, the goal here being to provide our stakeholders all up to date and accurate information for the Vnc election, and this should be pointing to the La City Clerk website as much as possible.

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Christopher Lee: The closer holders to act upon

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Christopher Lee: events, would provide our stakeholders with information to request their ballots, learn about candidates, and to vote.

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Christopher Lee: The measures for success of this plan would be our total number of impressions and engagement, total number of candidate filings, number of votes, making sure that we have a low cost per acquisition for voter, and that the election is within the projected budget. Um.

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Christopher Lee: The budget is then detailed in the next page, originally projected for fifteen thousand dollars, broken down with the social media campaign, with three months of targeted ads, printing for thirty thousand flyers, one mailer uh bundled and delivered to Usps, with also four runs of posters for the local businesses

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Christopher Lee: and Usps routing, which comes out to for the thirty-eight postal routes about fifty five hundred dollars. This also includes the graphic design package. So we have visually unified assets going into uh the election, as well as a contingency fund for any taxes or on unanticipated costs

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Christopher Lee: uh suggested designs are here. So this is more of an outline, not an actual design to lean into, but pointing out key elements for social media posts. Um,

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Christopher Lee: taking examples from our neighboring council from our vista for their postcard and mailer uh, and calling out the key information there, so that we can provide these as guidelines for the graphic designer that we choose, so that they we can check off all the boxes, make sure all the appropriate information is included.

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Christopher Lee: Um.

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Christopher Lee: Finally, suggestions. This has been a long process of receiving a community input. So, including a first mailer in December. So that

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Christopher Lee: would be a five by seven postcard with the filing information. What qualifies you as a candidate and a Qr code to apply for, uh your candidate position, and the anticipated cost would increase uh the budget by seven thousand. Now, three thousand of that could be taken out of contingency. Um! So that is one consideration there. Another consideration would be banners for placement and key areas around the neighborhood,

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Christopher Lee: at the voting polls. Uh at Oakwood, at the corner of Ab. A kidney at the farmers market. I've allocated for three of these such banners, and they come out to about two hundred dollars from the printer that I've sourced. So that's also something that is beyond the original anticipated. One thousand five hundred.

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Christopher Lee: One thing that did come up in the Budget meeting that was not um

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Christopher Lee: address in the suggestions was the inclusion of a voter guide. Uh, I did not want to modify this Pdf. Before going into this meeting, so that is a bit of research, and we can account for that as well um in the plan. So i'm just calling that out. I've heard the community feedback around that, and do want to know that it do want to look our stakeholders know it is on my mind

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Christopher Lee: to be as thorough as possible, and to reach as many people as possible.

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Christopher Lee: Uh, finally, the committee, I intend to be pretty ambitious. It's looking uh to be about seventeen people. Um, an administrator, two business liaisons, two service provider liaisons, ten community liaisons, which I hope to work in collaboration with the Neighborhood Committee in generating a press liaison and a social media manager.

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Christopher Lee: Um! So

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Christopher Lee: that was like a lightning blast through this plan. It's available as a Pdf. I invite you. Please pick it apart. I do want us to do the best service to Venice as possible. As we approach this election cycle, so all the input that you can bring to the table will be weighed and brought in as appropriate.

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jim murez: Thank you, Christopher. That was great. Um!

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jim murez: So um!

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jim murez: Before we go to public comment, anybody have a question about the presentation itself, I see J. And Vicki both have their hands up. Um! This would be a in reference just to the presentation. We're not getting into the merits of the

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jim murez: issue at this point. Um,

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jim murez: J. Go ahead, please.

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jay handal: Yes, I I think it's a great plan. Um, I do have an amendment to add to the plan,

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jay handal: which is something that the Neighborhood Council has done in every election. As far as I know,

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jay handal: that kind of like to add an amendment that states that, uh upon anybody on the committee filing to be a candidate, they would be automatically drop from the committee,

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jay handal: so that there would be no perception of conflict of interest or ethics potentials, no potential for grievances and no potential for uh challenges.

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jim murez: Okay, Um,

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jim murez: I'm not sure where we put. Do we add that into the motion now,

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jay handal: or do we create an alternate motion for that.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jay handal: so uh, I wouldn't add it until it actually gets voted on. But

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jim murez: yeah, I I I think it okay. Why don't we do that? Why don't we leave it the way it is now, and and we'll take public comment. But we'll as soon as we take public comment. Then we'll go ahead and and we'll create the alternate motion that incorporates it. I think that's right, as I've an online,

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Ivan: yeah, is that the correct? Well, you need this. This is an amendment. You have to take the amendment first and public comment and have the Board vote on the amendment.

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jim murez: Okay. So the first thing. The first thing we do is we amend the original motion,

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Ivan: so we have to do anything yet until the board proves it.

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jim murez: Well, we had. We had a first and a second, and now we have to take public comment on it right

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Ivan: right now that becomes the motion on the floor.

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Ivan: The motion you had was to approve the budget. So this becomes a No, that we're not approving the budget not only about the plan, sorry the most the motion is to approve the plan as described in the document above, so this would be an amendment to that motion. It would get edited on there

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jim murez: at what point I would. This read: We approve the plan with the proviso that

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jim murez: that would be the approved plan as amended. Let me let me see if I can continue to to to navigate this staff until, please,

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jim murez: Ivan, At what point do we take public comment? Do we add the amendment first, or do we take public comment on the original motion that was seconded. No,

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Ivan: you take public comment on the amendment first. That's what I get to prove. It gets added, and becomes part of the original motion. If it doesn't get approved, it goes away.

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jim murez: Okay. So so let me write it in here,

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jim murez: so not um

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jim murez: should not be what should not be. I guess it would be candidates.

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jay handal: Any committee member that files the candidacy will be able to fully remove from the committee,

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Ivan: or will no longer be able to serve on the committee. It's a nicer way to put it rather than removed.

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jim murez: Okay,

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jim murez: there we go. How's that?

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jim murez: Candidates are candidate, All right.

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jim murez: Candidates are no longer allowed to serve on election committee.

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Ivan: What one it should be. Once a once a committee member

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Ivan: files as a candidate.

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jim murez: Yeah, you you the same thing. It doesn't matter on the committee.

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jim murez: Candidates are not

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Ivan: well allowed to serve on election commitment. You need to make it specific

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Ivan: that once they file they are no longer allowed. They can work on the committee until they file,

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Ivan: You understand.

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jim murez: I I don't want one. They they file. They are a candidate, Ivan,

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Ivan: as soon as they file their account. Once the committee member files for candidacy, they may no longer serve on the committee. That's because they become a candidate.

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jim murez: Well, yeah, that's okay. So it's correct. It's nice and short and simple. A candidate is not allowed to serve on the committee period. Thank you, Ivan. You clarified it. Now we're going to take. Let's see that needs to be. Jay made that motion, and I believe it was Sima

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Sima Kostov: that seconded it. Is that correct, Sima?

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jim murez: Well, I guess i'm not getting the difference. Are you saying that the candidate can serve as a candidate as long as they pretend that they're not on the so. No. So, for example, let's let's Let's let's let's let's let's Let's let's let's let's let's let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's let's let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, Let's let's, let's, let's let's let's let's let's let's let's let's

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jay handal: against what's there. But if everyone wants to clarify you know upon filing their candidacy committee members shall no longer serve on the election committee,

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Ivan: and that I'm. I'm fine. With that

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jay handal: we're not asking you. Ivan, upon filing their Candidacy

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jay handal: Committee members may no longer serve on the election committee.

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jay handal: Clean,

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jay handal: plain, simple.

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jim murez: How's that

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jay handal: wonderful? Take out the other line with a common,

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jim murez: So if they file before there is a committee. Then they can continue to serve as what that says. Thank you. I just wanted to get that perfectly clear.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Wait:

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Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I, that doesn't make sense.

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jim murez: Well, that's what it says. If they If they, if they're already on the committee

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jim murez: and they file, then they can't continue to serve.

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jim murez: But if they file their candidacy before there's a committee, Then they can continue.

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jay handal: They can never continue. That's what I said, Jay, and these other people corrected me.

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jim murez: Okay, let's we need we have a uh jay made the motion. Sima seconded it. Um, let's take public comment on the amended motion we have,

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Daffodil Tyminski: I mean, as I heard it. What's articulated is not the motion that I've written?

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jim murez: Okay, what? What is it that Jay said. Upon filing their candidacy They are no longer allowed to serve on election committee. That's what he said.

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jim murez: Jay, do you want to re? You want to change your mind about what you said,

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Daffodil Tyminski: as I understood what Jay said, it's that if you're going to be on the election committee you can't run.

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jay handal: That's really the bottom line. How about this guys? No member of the election committee may serve

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jay handal: upon filing their candidacy.

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jay handal: They can serve up until the day they file their candidates. Once they file, they can't be on the committee.

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jim murez: But okay, So how would you like me to rewrite it? Because we've We've done it now twice You've now spoken it three more ways. What is it that we want to do,

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jim murez: I'd be. I think I had it right. Originally the candidate is not allowed, but the candidate cannot serve on the committee period. I was okay with that. It's real simple. It's real short. It is a hundred percent guaranteed. A candidate cannot serve on the election committee period. It doesn't matter when it's just they can't do it.

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jay handal: Are we? Okay with that daffodil? Sima:

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yeah

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jim murez: period and the rest of this stuff can go away.

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jim murez: It doesn't matter when you just can't do it. Period. Now,

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jim murez: Sima, are you okay? With that you seconded the motion? Jay's: Okay with it,

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jim murez: Sima. You seconded it. Yes or no. We need a second.

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Sima Kostov: Yes,

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jim murez: I'm sorry. Did you say? Yes, Yes. Okay. Now let's take public comment.

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Vicki Halliday: Okay, excuse me. Vicki had her hand up from earlier. It was clarification about the original presentation. No, I I have a point of order. I I realized that I have to recuse on the budgetary item, because one of the vendors listed

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Vicki Halliday: is a company that I work for. Does that also mean that I can't have to recuse on this motion as well.

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jim murez: Um, let's ask the Parliamentarian Parliamentarian. We're only talking about the plan, not the budget. If a Board member uh

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jim murez: has to recuse from the Budget, does the Board member also have three cues from the plan?

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Ivan: Well,

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jim murez: let me show you that again. The The we are currently talking about the election plan. We are not talking about the budget for the election plan. We are talking about the election plan and what's going to happen right during our election. Okay, right.

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jim murez: We have a board member who has a conflict with the budget, which is the next item

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jim murez: on our agenda,

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jim murez: this this board member. It has a conflict of interest with the budget, but not with the plan itself. But do they have to recuse because the two are somehow connected?

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Ivan: Okay, so can I. Can I talk to Vicki? You have the microphone? Yes, Ivan is there? Is there a I? I'm not the city attorney, and I can't give you any kind of ruling about Rec. Usual.

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Ivan: But if you think you have a conflict,

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Ivan: then you should recuse them both of them. Thank you, Ivan.

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jim murez: Um Clark. Did you want to speak about? Did you have a question or issue about the plan that you didn't understand? You need to public comment. We've got a motion. We've got a second.

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jim murez: Let's take public comment, and then we can discuss the motion. Thank you, David, though we're not discussing the motion. If he has a question about what was presented. We always take questions from the committee first. Thank you, Daffodil. Go ahead. A question point of order. Um, I think. Uh Jay's uh amendment is a very good idea, but I don't think it's necessary

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Clark Brown: uh the committee uh, or the the office and the city that's putting this thing together. Can't uh that office uh adopt

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jim murez: uh Jay's suggestion, which I think is a very good one without her having no No, this has, thank you, Clark. This has to come from us. I'm sorry to interrupt you, but we need to keep this moving. You have your hand up.

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Sima Kostov: I I just had a question for Christopher. Um you talked about. Uh. So first of all, thank you, I think, to my committee of Thank you and Budget. So thank you for doing this, I said in my committee. Her Kellyan task really is. Um, and thanks for Ivan for doing this all these years. Honestly, I know how difficult you have it? Quite. Yes, I do. So. Here's my question. Seventeen people volunteers. Where is Christopher getting those people from? Are they Venice locals? Are they more vista locals.

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Sima Kostov: Where are they coming from? And uh, happy to obviously advertise for that committee, but just wondering what your thoughts are about that

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Christopher Lee: Christopher, Would you like to respond to that

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Christopher Lee: or business liaison. Somebody from the Venice Chamber makes a lot of sense to liaise with um, or that it can be Merchants association um

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Christopher Lee: for the service providers getting directly in touch with the service provider and having that volunteer to coordinate some of the larger area as well. Um, So

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Christopher Lee: that's the intention is to lean heavily into the organizations and committees that exist within Venice uh, because it is a Venice local election. So i'd like to keep it in Venice as much as possible.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Christopher. Um Daffodil, I noticed your hand is up. Did you have a question about something that was unclear about The presentation

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Daffodil Tyminski: was where we were soliciting volunteers from. I'm not against any of it, but I just hadn't heard this before, or hadn't seen this before.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Can we explain what that is? Because

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Daffodil Tyminski: I I I just i'm not sure what the plan is here.

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Christopher Lee: Yeah, for sure. So I had reached out uh via email, and did not receive a response early on in the planning uh with the neighborhood Committee. So I was,

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Christopher Lee: and that I did here that the neighborhood Committee was planning for some form of a lot uh election outreach. So it seems like a very natural collaboration. Uh, should the Board P. This motion pass

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Christopher Lee: very, very interested in getting in conversation with you, Daffodil, about making that so. And if it's not uh something that your committee can generate looking to key leaders within each neighborhood that would be willing to participate, since I trust that you are connected to each of these neighborhoods

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Christopher Lee: in an impactful way, pointing us to the people who would be willing to take this on uh, because it is a herculean task, as uh Seamless pointed out. Um

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Christopher Lee: in terms of the rest of the plan. I know that this is all kind of hit very last minute, but those community organizations have been listed in that sheet um within that plan, since the original conception, since it would be full hardy to suppose that

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Christopher Lee: one person could take this all on, so it it will have to be a community-driven effort. And there are community organizations that already exist that have constituents. That Listen to them.

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Christopher Lee: Um. So it seems very logical to lean into those organizations, such in the Chamber of the Merchant Association of Now these are all just examples, and I'm. Very open to feedback for other community organizations that may be more effective in getting the message out.

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jim murez: Thank you, Christopher. Um, If we can move on now to public comment. Um, I think that we've we've uh asked all the questions of clarification we'll get into the merits of whether or not we think the plan will or won't work um later on. But in the meantime,

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jim murez: let's go through any public comment that we have.

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jim murez: Um, and maybe some more questions will come out, David, your hands still up.

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jim murez: Um. Do we have um

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jim murez: any public comment on this?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh we do. We have four hands raised Holland, Fallon, Nick, Anton, Cello colony, and then Lisa Redmond, and after Lisa we will close public comment. Um, Helen, Why, don't you go first?

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Helen Fallon: I just want to point out that this motion plan addresses the outreach of the election.

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Helen Fallon: Is there an election committee? I don't believe there is what there was by outreach was essentially a very loose task force that mostly consist of Christopher doing the work, gathering information from other people. So I don't understand how you can amend a motion that doesn't even include anything about an election committee,

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Helen Fallon: and that's any legal amendment, because it doesn't There's nothing in that motion that even talks about elect election committee, and setting it up so to throw this in as an amendment. I'm surprised that Ivan's going along with this because he ought to know better. You can't substantially, substantively change

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Helen Fallon: a motion to an amendment, and this amendment has nothing to do with the existing plan that's being presented to you, because that plan is all about outreach, and how to reach the stakeholders.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Helen. Uh nick you into the cello.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Go ahead, Nick.

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Nick Antonicello: Yeah, I have the same sentiment. We don't is first people going to be the election administrator, and does he need to be appointed by the board?

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Nick Antonicello: Secondly, what's going to be the size of the committee going to be three members, five members, seven members, nine members.

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Nick Antonicello: We don't know that either. It's very good plan, but the the guidelines and process around the plan have not been distinguished. So

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Nick Antonicello: uh the board is gonna have to figure out if you're gonna have an elections chairman like you had in the past, or you can have an Elections Administrator, which you had in the last cycle.

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Nick Antonicello: So that needs to be uh addressed.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Nick.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um colony.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh go ahead!

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Daffodil Tyminski: Call me

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Daffodil Tyminski: um! Why don't. We give colony a minute and go with Lisa Redmond.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa. Why, don't you go,

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Daffodil Tyminski: Lisa,

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Kalani W: This is kind of waiting to be unmuted,

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Daffodil Tyminski: so Cloney give us one second. Let's go, and then we'll let you go last.

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Daffodil Tyminski: If you don't mind That's fine. Okay, thanks.

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Lisa Redmond: I, too am against this amendment. Uh, for the reasons that have already been mentioned. I also think it's uh kind of foolish, too, because you're effectively saying, Well, we want Chris, maybe, and he's done a kick ass job of putting this together. But um

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Lisa Redmond: he that he can't run then,

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Lisa Redmond: or anyone else that might be on this committee. Um. So you're effectively, You know, blocking people that are

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Lisa Redmond: very much um good to do the job and do it well, and it's been made very clear over and over and over again, even by the woman Nima Nima, or whatever her name was earlier tonight, that nobody involved in the committee has anything to do with running the election,

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Lisa Redmond: so there won't be any Miss per proprietary uh part. If somebody wants to work on this committee, or Christopher wants to be part of this committee, and then ultimately run for a position. Um, I think you're you know,

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Lisa Redmond: cutting off a a very valuable foot of potential um candidates.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Lisa.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And colony. Uh: sorry about that before. Go ahead.

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Kalani W: No problem. I oppose this amendment. Um, Primarily because I don't know what the issue is um with having people uh who are

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Kalani W: on the committee

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Kalani W: also running for office. You have such a limited slate, anyway, and let me remind you that you know the Democrats just won a huge victory in Arizona by

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Kalani W: Katie Hobbs winning the governorship, and she is the Secretary of State who runs elections.

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Kalani W: Now Carrie is making a big deal out of it. But this happens on a Federal level. People who are Secretary of State, often run for re-election and They are in charge of elections. If we're running a transparent election, we should not have fear of corruption.

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Kalani W: Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanksgiving.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. With that, Jim, we'll close public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, great. Those were all good comments.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: let's open it up now to board discussion. Um, here we want to talk about the merits of both the public comments that were made, and any of the other issues that anybody may have. Um about the uh uh

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jim murez: current amended motion. So we're really voting now on whether or not a candidate is allowed to serve on the election committee. We're not voting yet on the actual

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jim murez: uh motion of the plan itself only on whether or not a candidate is or is not allowed to serve on the election committee.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I I I take my hand down

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Ivan: as as amended. It's the plan with the proviso,

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Ivan: and whether to add that into the motion about the plan. Right? Then, if it it's approved, you go back and do the whole plan as amend it.

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jim murez: Okay, Thank you. Do you understand that, Daffodil? So it's only on It's only on whether or not a candidate is or is not allowed to serve.

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jim murez: Does anybody have any particular uh

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jim murez: feelings about this? I know that it? The The issue is a transparency issue.

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jim murez: Uh, Nico, You have your hand up. Go ahead.

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah, just just quickly. I I I understand the reason for this amendment, but I I have to echo what Um, Lisa and Connie said. I mean if we have a transparent election process?

916
02:18:33.040 --> 02:18:38.650
Nico Ruderman: Um, there shouldn't be a need for this, and it it does diminish the pool of people who

917
02:18:38.799 --> 02:18:42.740
Nico Ruderman: to possibly do this? Um: So i'll be voting, though.

918
02:18:42.980 --> 02:18:44.129
jim murez: Okay,

919
02:18:44.219 --> 02:18:53.749
Daffodil Tyminski: yeah, I'd actually vote Yes, for this. I think that it's a conflict to have someone who is running the election also.

920
02:18:53.940 --> 02:19:12.770
Daffodil Tyminski: Um uh seeking office. And this is not the case in a situation like Arizona, where you have someone who's Secretary of State, doing a greater committee function Statewide. This is literally the person running this particular election serving in this particular board,

921
02:19:12.780 --> 02:19:32.479
Daffodil Tyminski: and I I honestly think, um the types of conflicts that that that kind of duality uh will raise is what undermines us as a neighborhood council, and makes us less credible. So I really think that if you want to run great. I think that's amazing. Don't. Serve on the election. Good day,

922
02:19:32.490 --> 02:19:44.789
Daffodil Tyminski: and if you want to serve on the election committee, that's fantastic, but it's not a pathway to um, you know, seeking office. So i'm definitely gonna vote Yes for this.

923
02:19:45.440 --> 02:19:48.090
jim murez: Okay, Um, Sima, You have your hand up.

924
02:19:49.280 --> 02:19:50.710
jim murez: You want to say something.

925
02:19:52.680 --> 02:20:05.259
Sima Kostov: I just want to state that I will be voting Yes, for this as well, and the reason being is that I have done one election. I have done one election with an independent election committee.

926
02:20:05.270 --> 02:20:16.529
Sima Kostov: That is how it is worked. It is work this way, for as long as I've been involved with the Vnc. Even before I got on. There are best practices that we should follow,

927
02:20:16.630 --> 02:20:45.190
Sima Kostov: especially in light of what happened with our candidate Forum earlier on this year we cannot be scrutinized in the same way. Number one and number two, I think as much as it is important to look towards the future. And as great as some of this part of the plan is, We have to also look towards the past, and we have to trust the judgment that has been in place in Venice for years, and it's not about not holding

928
02:20:45.200 --> 02:21:06.359
Sima Kostov: an an election that is above board, or to make sure that there's nothing at a foot. When I announced my candidacy I was no longer a part of the process. I could not influence election process, an election procedure. It's best practices, and

929
02:21:06.910 --> 02:21:22.349
Sima Kostov: it's I've fought for this for three months. Every conversation I've had with Jim, with Christopher, with my committee. This was a big sticking point. I have to be honest, it's important. We have to be above board.

930
02:21:23.540 --> 02:21:26.000
jim murez: Thank you. Sima. Um,

931
02:21:26.080 --> 02:21:27.949
jim murez: J: Go ahead, please.

932
02:21:28.280 --> 02:21:29.930
jay handal: Okay. So

933
02:21:30.000 --> 02:21:49.610
jay handal: first of all, let me be clear. This is not being sprung on Christopher. I let Christopher know I was planning on doing this because this is history in the Venice Neighborhood Council. This is, we're not reinventing the wheel. This is something that's been done in every election. Okay.

934
02:21:49.620 --> 02:21:53.760
jay handal: So you know, as far as diminishing the pool,

935
02:21:54.000 --> 02:22:00.759
jay handal: you know the election candidacy starts in November and ends over a month later.

936
02:22:00.900 --> 02:22:17.130
jay handal: At that point, you know, things are being put into place. It's in the best interest of Christopher if he's running, or anyone else to be able to do it with clean hands and not have people come after him and go.

937
02:22:17.140 --> 02:22:33.329
jay handal: You're a social media guy. You steered everything to social media and your people. You didn't go to the other people who read newspapers. You're not a guy who likes this or this One's not a lady who likes that. This is why neighborhood councils are always in trouble,

938
02:22:33.790 --> 02:22:36.619
jay handal: because you know these, these

939
02:22:38.530 --> 02:22:51.189
jay handal: the thought of just the fact that you could go pinpoint someone for doing something that they had no intention of trying to steal an election or steer things a certain way.

940
02:22:51.200 --> 02:23:04.650
jay handal: You know it. It's just a clean hands thing, and it's nowhere near, like a Secretary of State situation. You know in two thousand and sixteen. I ran all ninety-eight elections for the city of Valley,

941
02:23:04.660 --> 02:23:23.220
jay handal: and I saw a role of pitfalls that happened in elections. And This is a best practice, and we're not saying, Thank you, Chris, for putting this together. Now go home because he's got plenty of time to start to effectuate the point. But once he starts running. He's a candidate,

942
02:23:23.400 --> 02:23:33.130
jay handal: and as a candidate no candidate should be involved in the future spending and direction of the money, and

943
02:23:33.140 --> 02:23:50.149
jay handal: where advertising goes, where advertising doesn't go what falls through the cracks. And all of a sudden they're blamed because they're being partisan and swinging it towards maybe their slate. If they have a slate, so I would implore the board.

944
02:23:50.160 --> 02:24:06.649
jay handal: This is a no harm, no foul amendment. But what it is gonna harm is anybody who is on that election committee potentially getting fingers pointed at them, you know, for doing things improperly,

945
02:24:06.660 --> 02:24:24.359
jay handal: and it's just not. It's not right, and it's gonna give everybody a clear head to be able to work on the committee until they file as a candidate. So I would implore everybody to vote for this. And again you've been doing it for years in this Neighborhood council. This is not reinventing the wheel.

946
02:24:24.370 --> 02:24:38.130
jay handal: This is nothing more than re-instituting again in this election. What you did in the last one the one before the before that on a race.

947
02:24:40.450 --> 02:24:46.269
jim murez: Thank you. J. Did we have any other board comments before we take a vote on this.

948
02:24:47.140 --> 02:24:49.060
jim murez: Raise your hand if Yes,

949
02:24:49.700 --> 02:24:52.809
jim murez: Jay, I'm gonna lower you did already. Thank you.

950
02:24:54.830 --> 02:25:11.850
jim murez: Okay, No other comments. I I will just make one closing comment, and then we'll take a vote. I want to let everybody know that I did check with the city clerk's office. Um! They uh suggested that this is a best practice, but it's not required.

951
02:25:11.900 --> 02:25:16.120
jim murez: Um, and at that let's go ahead and take a vote,

952
02:25:16.390 --> 02:25:26.889
jim murez: and this we're voting only on the amendment to uh not allow a candidate to participate on the election committee.

953
02:25:27.000 --> 02:25:29.010
jim murez: Daffodil, How do you vote?

954
02:25:29.360 --> 02:25:30.600
Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah.

955
02:25:32.400 --> 02:25:34.140
jim murez: J: How do you vote?

956
02:25:35.910 --> 02:25:37.000
jay handal: Yes,

957
02:25:37.520 --> 02:25:38.650
jim murez: Vicki.

958
02:25:38.930 --> 02:25:43.989
jim murez: So she recused herself. I believe

959
02:25:44.580 --> 02:25:47.030
jim murez: Bruno. Yes,

960
02:25:47.760 --> 02:25:49.949
jim murez: Sima. Yes,

961
02:25:50.520 --> 02:25:51.619
jim murez: Nico.

962
02:25:53.760 --> 02:25:54.930
Nico Ruderman: I'll upstairs,

963
02:25:56.080 --> 02:25:57.749
jim murez: abstaining. I'm: Sorry.

964
02:25:59.030 --> 02:26:01.020
alley bean: Okay. Yes.

965
02:26:01.550 --> 02:26:02.910
jim murez: Um, yeah, that's all.

966
02:26:03.850 --> 02:26:05.440
jim murez: Yes. Abstaining.

967
02:26:05.550 --> 02:26:08.739
jim murez: Yeah. Okay, Um Jason.

968
02:26:08.910 --> 02:26:09.940
Jason Sugars: No,

969
02:26:11.680 --> 02:26:13.990
alley bean: ali.

970
02:26:15.550 --> 02:26:17.420
Chie: Kai Yes,

971
02:26:18.400 --> 02:26:19.460
jim murez: mike.

972
02:26:19.640 --> 02:26:20.720
Mike Bravo: No.

973
02:26:22.190 --> 02:26:24.980
CJ Cole: Cj: Yes,

974
02:26:25.430 --> 02:26:28.250
alley bean: Elizabeth.

975
02:26:28.300 --> 02:26:30.180
alley bean: Yes,

976
02:26:30.970 --> 02:26:33.849
jim murez: a lot of noise in the background. Robert.

977
02:26:36.510 --> 02:26:37.670
robertthibodeau: Yes,

978
02:26:38.700 --> 02:26:39.720
jim murez: Clark.

979
02:26:43.930 --> 02:26:45.090
Clark Brown: Yes,

980
02:26:47.740 --> 02:26:48.820
Michael Jensen: yes,

981
02:26:49.470 --> 02:26:51.010
jim murez: and Zachary

982
02:26:51.180 --> 02:26:52.220
Zack Best: Yes,

983
02:26:53.100 --> 02:26:54.990
jim murez: and I will vote

984
02:26:55.850 --> 02:26:57.729
jim murez: yes as well.

985
02:26:59.770 --> 02:27:01.070
jim murez: Um.

986
02:27:02.050 --> 02:27:07.330
jim murez: The amendment carries twelve, three, one, one.

987
02:27:08.070 --> 02:27:10.900
jim murez: Now let's go back to the

988
02:27:11.260 --> 02:27:13.240
jim murez: original

989
02:27:13.820 --> 02:27:31.269
jim murez: motion, the original motion, as amended as amended. That's correct, right. So So the board officers approved the Vnc. Election plan two thousand and twenty-three, as described in the link document above

990
02:27:31.280 --> 02:27:36.010
jim murez: and a candidate is not allowed to serve on the Elections committee.

991
02:27:36.910 --> 02:27:37.840
jim murez: And

992
02:27:38.500 --> 02:27:44.270
jim murez: do we now? Uh, Mr. Parliamentarian, Do we now need to take public comment on the plan?

993
02:27:44.430 --> 02:27:53.370
jim murez: Yeah, because he didn't allow it before? Not so, Daffodil. Can we now take public comment on the

994
02:27:53.990 --> 02:27:56.630
jim murez: uh election plan?

995
02:27:57.080 --> 02:27:58.170
Daffodil Tyminski: Yes,

996
02:27:59.120 --> 02:28:02.960
Daffodil Tyminski: anyone with public comment on the election plan Raise your hand.

997
02:28:03.490 --> 02:28:04.869
Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

998
02:28:05.460 --> 02:28:12.449
jim murez: Ali will get people. Excuse me for one second, David Ali, if you could lower your hand, we'll get back to you in a minute.

999
02:28:12.710 --> 02:28:21.809
jim murez: We're not at the point now where the committee is talking. Thank you. Go ahead.

1000
02:28:24.580 --> 02:28:34.110
Lisa Redmond: Um, yeah. This is a really Kick-ass plan uh Christopher has done a lot of effort into this. It's too bad that he's been um

1001
02:28:35.090 --> 02:28:43.180
Lisa Redmond: politically withheld for a long time, and you're already behind uh in implementing this. But

1002
02:28:43.770 --> 02:28:52.670
Lisa Redmond: in the issue to the last amendment you know that things have been done the same in the same. We have to do it that way. This plan shows that it doesn't um.

1003
02:28:52.680 --> 02:29:17.180
Lisa Redmond: And just because things have been done that way in the past doesn't mean they should continue. Chris has worked really hard to reach out to stakeholders that normally Don't get reached out to people who work in the community, people who uh participate in the community in other ways. Uh to reach out to renters through various mailings. You guys all forget that renters are two-thirds of the population in Venice. Um! So

1004
02:29:17.840 --> 02:29:24.830
Lisa Redmond: I I just hope that you guys have a way to figure out what's going to happen when you don't have any committee, because people are running. But

1005
02:29:25.180 --> 02:29:27.249
Lisa Redmond: for now it's a great plan.

1006
02:29:27.940 --> 02:29:31.730
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Lisa Um liz right go ahead

1007
02:29:35.030 --> 02:29:43.480
Elizabeth Wright: uh first, Christopher, I am so pleased with the revisions you have made to the plan. It really is looking quite good.

1008
02:29:44.010 --> 02:29:45.050
Elizabeth Wright: Um

1009
02:29:45.230 --> 02:29:56.899
Elizabeth Wright: couple of points uh your nine o two, nine, two postal roots are intruding into Marina del Ray. They're not all la city, so that will have to be addressed.

1010
02:29:57.550 --> 02:30:02.899
Elizabeth Wright: Um! You're going to need more than once a month uh

1011
02:30:02.970 --> 02:30:04.640
Elizabeth Wright: communication.

1012
02:30:04.790 --> 02:30:12.929
Elizabeth Wright: It should be more like once a day as you get during the week, right before filing ends or the week right before election day,

1013
02:30:13.740 --> 02:30:14.800
Elizabeth Wright: and

1014
02:30:17.190 --> 02:30:19.629
Elizabeth Wright: that's pretty much all my comment.

1015
02:30:19.780 --> 02:30:21.300
Elizabeth Wright: Thank you so much.

1016
02:30:22.610 --> 02:30:23.900
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Liz.

1017
02:30:24.540 --> 02:30:27.080
Daffodil Tyminski: Um Yolanda Gonzalez, Go ahead,

1018
02:30:28.260 --> 02:30:42.089
Yolanda Gonzalez: Hi! The plan sounds great. I'm glad I have. We have new people that are putting some emphasis on this. Um! I just like to say that the only way we're going to get people involved, and it's not just about renters. It's about

1019
02:30:42.100 --> 02:30:59.279
Yolanda Gonzalez: the whole stakeholder ship here in Venice is to go out there every Friday night and try to get people to sign up to the Neighborhood Council, because most of them have no idea what the Neighborhood Council is all about, and it. It stands for

1020
02:30:59.460 --> 02:31:08.629
Yolanda Gonzalez: It's standing out there, even at the we need to get back to uh putting a post up like they used to have it for the um

1021
02:31:08.750 --> 02:31:12.249
Yolanda Gonzalez: for the uh Friday uh market

1022
02:31:12.260 --> 02:31:37.940
Yolanda Gonzalez: uh Venice market, and it's just approaching people directly to get involved, because it's the only way you're going to be able to get success. Been doing this, for since the Neighborhood Council formation, two thousand and one. So, just sitting out there and getting people involved and signing up them up and getting registered with their name and address. So we can get. Send the mailers. Thank you.

1023
02:31:38.280 --> 02:31:45.329
Daffodil Tyminski: Uh. So we have two more, and and with that we'll close public comment. So why don't you go first?

1024
02:31:46.140 --> 02:32:09.809
Kalani W: Hello, huh? After twenty years enabled councils Most neighbored councils still attract less than one percent stakeholder participation. The plan is excellent, but it costs too much. Um, expecting a neighborhood council to shoulder the burden of over one third of its budget is ridiculous. Empower la should be

1025
02:32:09.820 --> 02:32:20.860
Kalani W: carrying a lot of this cost. Uh. So i'm opposed to the plan because of the cost, not because of um how it's it's prepared.

1026
02:32:21.230 --> 02:32:27.160
Kalani W: I also like to see. When were we going to start questioning

1027
02:32:27.420 --> 02:32:44.630
Kalani W: after twenty years, less than one percent stakeholder participation if if we do not attract even five percent of the population. When will we start saying It's time to end this social project and start looking for other ways to engage

1028
02:32:44.640 --> 02:32:53.309
Kalani W: uh our stakeholders in civic engagement. This at Neighborhood Council system is a failure. Thank you.

1029
02:32:54.780 --> 02:32:56.190
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you.

1030
02:32:56.320 --> 02:32:59.850
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. And last, but not least, Helen, why do you go ahead.

1031
02:33:01.640 --> 02:33:19.689
Helen Fallon: Um, I think all of you should be extremely grateful to Chris for the amount of time he's put into coming out with an extensive outreach program that would hopefully reach far more stakeholders than ever been reached before. You guys have done an invisible job other than getting recruiting your friends

1032
02:33:19.700 --> 02:33:27.670
Helen Fallon: to run, and you know, so we have seventy two candidates, which is pointless. It's none of them ever show up and work on committees afterwards,

1033
02:33:27.780 --> 02:33:41.919
Helen Fallon: and I guess they'd all be excluded from helping out with the election. I you know you want to know why people don't get involved. You spent what? Forty minutes discussing that amendment that is sort of it. Basically shouldn't have ever been

1034
02:33:42.080 --> 02:33:45.590
Helen Fallon: an amendment to this particular motion, since it's not

1035
02:33:45.770 --> 02:33:55.330
Helen Fallon: domain to it, and should have been introduced at the next meeting. That's why people don't show up because they see how much time you guys manage to waste for the public.

1036
02:34:01.080 --> 02:34:02.440
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen.

1037
02:34:03.600 --> 02:34:06.280
Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Jim, with that will close public comment.

1038
02:34:06.520 --> 02:34:07.789
jim murez: Okay,

1039
02:34:08.020 --> 02:34:09.260
jim murez: um.

1040
02:34:09.840 --> 02:34:15.830
jim murez: Now do we have any board discussion about the motion as amended?

1041
02:34:16.060 --> 02:34:20.520
jim murez: If so, please raise your hand now. Otherwise we go to a vote. Go ahead, Sima.

1042
02:34:25.000 --> 02:34:31.499
Sima Kostov: I just had a question um about. You know what happens once

1043
02:34:32.640 --> 02:34:35.380
Sima Kostov: the committee gets smaller and smaller,

1044
02:34:37.100 --> 02:34:40.580
Sima Kostov: so who will assume the responsibility?

1045
02:34:42.990 --> 02:34:44.380
jim murez: Um,

1046
02:34:44.990 --> 02:34:49.490
jim murez: i'm not sure that I or anyone else has a crystal ball.

1047
02:34:50.900 --> 02:34:53.099
jim murez: I don't. I don't know how to answer that.

1048
02:34:53.840 --> 02:34:56.770
jim murez: I don't know of any way of reading into the future.

1049
02:35:01.750 --> 02:35:03.600
jim murez: Um, J: go ahead.

1050
02:35:04.390 --> 02:35:22.340
jay handal: Okay, couple of things. Uh: First of all, Christopher, as I said to you in private. Great job dude. Great job, I mean, this is a comprehensive plan. Uh: people are gonna like parts of it. People are gonna hate cost of it. It's a thankless job you're taking on.

1051
02:35:22.350 --> 02:35:38.330
jay handal: Uh! I think you've seen that already, and it will be less thankful as you continue to go forward, and I can tell you, as your treasurer with the money i'm here to help support uh and make this a really great election

1052
02:35:38.720 --> 02:35:42.819
jay handal: uh my question, and as far as what team is asking.

1053
02:35:42.850 --> 02:35:49.370
jay handal: You know it appears you have seventeen people you're planning to be to bring on to a committee.

1054
02:35:49.390 --> 02:36:03.219
jay handal: Um, I don't think all seventeen people are planning to run, so I think there'll be enough people on this election group uh to run it. Now, having said it, you you didn't hear me say election committee

1055
02:36:03.290 --> 02:36:17.569
jay handal: because one of the issues we have right now is we don't have an election committee that's been formed by the board through the process of everything we need to do as a board according to the bylaws.

1056
02:36:17.660 --> 02:36:20.189
jay handal: So i'm going to suggest

1057
02:36:20.220 --> 02:36:22.110
jay handal: um that

1058
02:36:23.250 --> 02:36:40.620
jay handal: temporarily, you know, Chris is going to be uh the person who is gonna administer the parts of the election to start. But I think we need We're gonna have to have some type of special board meeting. There's a couple of issues that are gonna come up

1059
02:36:40.640 --> 02:36:53.310
jay handal: uh sooner than later, and an actual committee be formed uh by the board, you know, with someone who is gonna head to committee appointed, so that we do it by the book,

1060
02:36:53.320 --> 02:37:04.839
jay handal: because at this point, you know, we're not in a position, according to the bylaws, to appoint a committee tonight. There's a whole process that we go through through

1061
02:37:05.490 --> 02:37:11.200
jay handal: ad come, and everybody else that we have to go get blessing from. So,

1062
02:37:11.250 --> 02:37:27.960
jay handal: you know. Uh, I I just put that in your in your head that these are things that are gonna have to happen, because I don't think technically, even if we passed the budget today, that without having an a formal election committee,

1063
02:37:27.970 --> 02:37:40.369
jay handal: um, Christopher on his own, is going to be able to spend money because he's not a board member, and he's not authorized. So that's something that people are going to have to consider.

1064
02:37:40.540 --> 02:37:52.020
jay handal: So, anyway, just putting it out there. So we know the pitfalls moving forward. But Chris great job, dude. Great job! Thank you. Jay. Um, Elizabeth, Go ahead, please.

1065
02:37:52.830 --> 02:37:58.549
Elizabeth: I actually think Jay knocked off um half of my my questions or points, because

1066
02:37:58.640 --> 02:38:07.580
Elizabeth: just as as a third party observer, I am not understanding the relationship between outreach and the election committee

1067
02:38:07.760 --> 02:38:15.920
Elizabeth: who decides a selection committee. It it seems to have sort of morphed and and taken a life of its own, but

1068
02:38:16.080 --> 02:38:31.759
Elizabeth: was, you know I I tried to dial back and look at the videos of the various meetings. Um at committee meetings around this i'm. I'm equally confused how this all came to a culmination today, because it didn't seem that the committees were at least

1069
02:38:31.770 --> 02:38:48.390
Elizabeth: in the meetings, that I saw that there was an agreement. This was the plan that um that you know Christopher was going to champion this plan. It didn't seem to me to be a unanimous agreement. If i'm wrong, I stand corrected. But um, you know that.

1070
02:38:48.530 --> 02:38:52.590
Elizabeth: Challenge anyone else to go. Look at the videos, too, and and see what I saw

1071
02:38:52.880 --> 02:38:56.379
Elizabeth: going to the actual plan. Um,

1072
02:38:56.510 --> 02:39:09.129
Elizabeth: for those of us in the marketing world. We know how much uh penetration you can get through social media, but you also have to understand what the barrier to entry is in the Venice neighborhood election. You've got

1073
02:39:09.560 --> 02:39:21.130
Elizabeth: two huge obstacles to overcome. One is that people no longer want to vote in person, if possible, and as somebody who do not a couple of hundred doors.

1074
02:39:21.160 --> 02:39:39.209
Elizabeth: I know what it took to get those people a ballot, and that doesn't seem to be addressed anywhere. In this plan I guarantee you. Once you start talking to people over. No, i'm not even going to pick an age. I'm just going to get technical people who aren't technologically savvy.

1075
02:39:39.410 --> 02:39:56.639
Elizabeth: They will start to take a step backwards and say, this is a lot of work. I got to load two pieces of id, and what and what I could do, what That's your barrier to entry your barrier to entry isn't getting people to go and run for this thing. We always have almost too many people running.

1076
02:39:58.100 --> 02:40:03.559
Elizabeth: The The issue is getting your voting population to care to cast a vote,

1077
02:40:03.790 --> 02:40:20.739
Elizabeth: and it's a difficult process, and i'd like to know how that is going to be. Um made very, very clear, and how you can make it exciting for someone who want to vote. It's not your excitement, but at least to want to go and vote.

1078
02:40:20.800 --> 02:40:26.639
Elizabeth: And secondly, I think you need to rebrand the Vnc. Entirely. And

1079
02:40:26.970 --> 02:40:45.770
Elizabeth: um, you know, there's other people of marking background that I i'd love them to speak up, but it looked really um just generic and dry, and something that would just turn me off if I was a local resident. I'd look at that and be like oh, another boring political thing like, Why would I get involved?

1080
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Elizabeth: And I i'm uh kind of in agreement with colony that we it's almost like we've run our course, and we haven't proven that we can get stakeholders to the table, that we can even agree between ourselves to do things.

1081
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Elizabeth: And would it be crazy to re imagine this whole process and go out of the box because that nuts I don't think so. We haven't really got proven results after almost two years. I that's my that's my entire frustration with this Dennis neighborhood process is that we don't.

1082
02:41:20.770 --> 02:41:29.600
Elizabeth: We're so divided we can't get things done. Yeah, we can't even figure out how to put an agenda motion together without arguing about it.

1083
02:41:29.690 --> 02:41:31.049
Elizabeth: But if we could,

1084
02:41:31.250 --> 02:41:48.020
Elizabeth: if we could do something that is more pointed and work closer, and I've mentioned this in the past rather than being a bottom up committee where we come up with something, we try to move it up the food chain. Could we not work from the top down? Just I mean thoughts for another day. But

1085
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Elizabeth: I I don't know. I don't see how this particular process is going to get so for fifty it was a is is going to get so many more people involved, although i'm not trying to detract from the work that Christopher Lee did, because i'm sure that that that was a tremendous amount of thought that went into that uh

1086
02:42:07.400 --> 02:42:13.989
Elizabeth: that show that you put forward for us. But anyway, these are my thoughts. I'd love to hear some comments from other board members.

1087
02:42:14.920 --> 02:42:17.500
jim murez: Um, definitely. You have your hand up.

1088
02:42:18.720 --> 02:42:21.099
Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I just um.

1089
02:42:21.320 --> 02:42:37.520
Daffodil Tyminski: I was just curious like how we form the committee like Actually, mechanically, I've been somewhat tangentially involved with some of this, but I echo other folks that like what? What practically mechanically is the next steps? How's the committee formed?

1090
02:42:38.130 --> 02:42:41.900
Daffodil Tyminski: Who's on it? How do we decide that? I'm. Just not sure.

1091
02:42:43.040 --> 02:42:47.730
jim murez: So if I can answer that. I I don't want to jump in here to the middle of the

1092
02:42:48.140 --> 02:42:51.409
jim murez: committee comments, but the board's comments. But um!

1093
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jim murez: The bylaws describe how committees are formed. Um! A person puts forward a mission statement. The mission statement is approved by Adcom to be presented to the Board, and the Board then adopts it or denies it.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. This committee would be no different. It hasn't been defined to be any different. Is that what we're doing? That is the the committee you're interrupting me. Excuse me,

1095
02:43:23.510 --> 02:43:33.000
jim murez: that is the process. We know the bylaws. Yeah, that is the process, and once the committee is formed, the President then appoints the chair to the committee,

1096
02:43:33.010 --> 02:43:45.930
Daffodil Tyminski: and as far as I'm aware that's how this committee will be formed

1097
02:43:46.290 --> 02:43:53.940
jim murez: for this committee to be formed.

1098
02:43:54.000 --> 02:43:59.190
Daffodil Tyminski: Well, Okay, So that's what i'm asking, though. So if we vote on this plan tonight,

1099
02:43:59.230 --> 02:44:05.679
Daffodil Tyminski: we are not voting on creating the committee. We are just voting on adopting this plan.

1100
02:44:05.860 --> 02:44:09.090
Daffodil Tyminski: And so what what next month We would vote on the committee?

1101
02:44:10.530 --> 02:44:11.670
jim murez: Um!

1102
02:44:11.970 --> 02:44:27.769
jim murez: We will have to have a meeting where there is a committee that's being voted on. The creation of a committee was not on the agenda, and it's not something that we will be doing tonight. That is correct.

1103
02:44:28.230 --> 02:44:36.859
jim murez: Um. Both Sima and Jay have already spoken. Did any other Board members have any questions or comments that they wanted to make?

1104
02:44:36.920 --> 02:44:48.399
alley bean: Who is that? Allie? Okay, Go ahead. Allie. Um: yeah. I'm sorry. This is great. I'm on a break, so I can. Um I I I sort of echo the question that Daffodil has in that.

1105
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alley bean: Um, I do. I don't know uh that. Much about the the formation of this committee I wasn't at the meetings that Liz was at, but I I share concerns that a committee could become

1106
02:45:00.600 --> 02:45:15.310
alley bean: partisan. You know It's like we want to get votes out. But we really, you know, Lisa Redmond was saying that that she heard that it was going to be going to Renters, and so I didn't know any of that. I didn't know that there was already outreach planned, and I think it's so important that

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02:45:15.390 --> 02:45:16.529
you know that

1108
02:45:16.540 --> 02:45:35.869
alley bean: the whoever the committee is, it's made of of really and and maybe capital being on the Neighborhood committee could make sure this happens from all kinds of uh walks of life in Venice, so that it's not a partisan thing, you know. We just went through a a Neighborhood Council election, you know, between Aaron Darling and Tracy Park. So we we have.

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02:45:35.880 --> 02:45:50.829
alley bean: I think it's just so important that it's that it's a made up of a vast swath of Venetians. Um trying to get out the boat, because we just can't get out one kind of vote. You know what i'm saying, because then it would not look right, and I don't know how we orchestrate that that's my only concern.

1110
02:45:50.920 --> 02:45:59.170
alley bean: Otherwise I think it's a great idea to get people to vote, so let me clarify a little bit more than like I did earlier about committees.

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02:45:59.180 --> 02:46:14.650
jim murez: Um, after the chair of the committee is appointed the bylaws described that the committee chair, then uh recruits and brings on the members of that committee. Now, because the plan

1112
02:46:14.660 --> 02:46:28.839
jim murez: describes what the roles are that those committee members would be participating. I think it already starts to define what the intentions are of the committee, and I guess when the time comes to

1113
02:46:28.850 --> 02:46:48.579
jim murez: define the committee we could define that the committee has to be made up of particular members, but it's not something we're doing tonight. We're just talking about the plan itself, and the plan itself does describe a broad spectrum of people that would participate on the committee.

1114
02:46:48.620 --> 02:47:07.519
jay handal: Um, Jay, you had your hand up again, And, Sima, you brought your hand up again, and they keep going up and down. And so i'll call on you guys, and Then let's take a vote on this. I I just want to give a little clarification for everybody uh last last election cycle you spend just under fifteen thousand dollars

1115
02:47:07.530 --> 02:47:12.760
jay handal: and the election cycle before that it was just under fourteen thousand dollars

1116
02:47:12.930 --> 02:47:28.490
jay handal: in two thousand and nineteen. You, Venice, had the highest number of voters in Cd eleven neighborhood councils uh, and in two thousand and twenty-one. Again, it had the highest number of voters

1117
02:47:28.500 --> 02:47:39.859
jay handal: uh the percentage of voter increase with sixteen point three percent uh the percentage of candidate increase with forty-eight percent in twenty, twenty one.

1118
02:47:39.930 --> 02:47:58.219
jay handal: So you know the exponentially it's going up a little by little uh, considering the so many people in Venice, it looks like we're not getting anywhere. But the fact is, the numbers do prove that the percentages are going up

1119
02:47:58.230 --> 02:48:12.260
jay handal: uh, and when we're talking about the type of money and the type of exposure, it's all about exposure, you know, and you'll see in the next item, you know that this broad-based exposure to reach every part of the community.

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jay handal: So you know Again, I think Christopher did a hell of a job, and everything that's happened in the past showed it increases, and I think I would be shocked if we don't have big increases this year.

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02:48:24.740 --> 02:48:27.610
jay handal: Thank you.

1122
02:48:29.120 --> 02:48:37.930
Sima Kostov: Uh Jay, thank you for speaking. I was actually gonna point out some of those figures, but I actually had a question. Um,

1123
02:48:38.100 --> 02:48:55.179
jim murez: so just timing wise. So right now we're voting on a budget of nineteen thousand two hundred dollars. Right? So that's the motion in front of us. We're not voting. No, Sima, we're not. We're not voting on a budget of nineteen thousand two. We're voting on a plan.

1124
02:48:55.190 --> 02:49:11.699
jim murez: So right now we're approving the plan without the committee. I I I just wanted to do the We. We are approving the concept of the plan which describes a budget, and it describes a committee. But we're not approving a budget, and we're not approving a committee.

1125
02:49:12.110 --> 02:49:25.050
jim murez: So when is that gonna happen? It has to happen at a future meeting on the on the Committee and the Budget is the next item

1126
02:49:25.960 --> 02:49:28.500
jim murez: it's on the agenda is the next item.

1127
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jim murez: Elizabeth, Go ahead, please.

1128
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Elizabeth: Why is this going in a reverse order, like it just seems a little asked backwards to

1129
02:49:37.270 --> 02:49:47.920
Elizabeth: to come up to have a plan, and then try to figure out If you have a budget and a committee, it just it doesn't make any common sense to me, and i'll and i'll just say this to J. Like

1130
02:49:48.120 --> 02:49:50.050
Elizabeth: I know how hard

1131
02:49:50.080 --> 02:50:00.220
Elizabeth: we worked in Venice to get votes, and by we I mean every single candidate running had to go get their own votes. We went

1132
02:50:00.230 --> 02:50:13.129
Elizabeth: with ipads, two people's doors. We emailed the Id people didn't know how to email their id, and they didn't know how to fill the forms in. So when you're thinking about how to spend the budget

1133
02:50:13.140 --> 02:50:23.240
Elizabeth: ere

1134
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Elizabeth: then they have to. At the minute they figure out they have to click on a link. Go to a website, fill out a page, load two pieces of Id You're done already. You could spend thirty thousand dollars. You still won't. Get them to fill out the form. It's only because we literally held people's hands and said,

1135
02:50:42.260 --> 02:50:57.659
Elizabeth: You gotta fill this in. We stood over them while they filled it in. Then we went back. When they got their balance. Did you send your ballot? Can I drive you to the ballot box? They Did you do it? Did you do it? It's because of the candidates that the voting count went up,

1136
02:50:57.670 --> 02:51:09.489
Elizabeth: and all I mean, you could keep pushing this outreach thing and spending more money and telling more people that you've missed the execution part how you can get your voters

1137
02:51:09.500 --> 02:51:24.719
Elizabeth: to vote. I'd love to see that addressed in this plan, because it's serious, and you have us to think for a higher voter Turnout. Certainly not. The fact that you know people are so enthralled with V and C elections that they they got online and voted,

1138
02:51:24.760 --> 02:51:26.260
Elizabeth: and and

1139
02:51:26.290 --> 02:51:32.320
Elizabeth: for all of you, Door knocked. I think you can agree with me. You know the what the barrier to entry was.

1140
02:51:33.040 --> 02:51:40.149
jim murez: Okay, Thank you, Elizabeth. Um. I see no other hands. Let's go back now and take a vote,

1141
02:51:44.290 --> 02:51:48.760
jim murez: Elizabeth. You could lower your house. Cj: You raised your hand last second,

1142
02:51:48.930 --> 02:51:51.380
jim murez: did you? Oh, no, maybe well,

1143
02:51:51.480 --> 02:51:55.600
CJ Cole: really confused. Have we had public comment

1144
02:51:55.880 --> 02:52:02.349
CJ Cole: on the motion? Yes, I believe we have

1145
02:52:02.570 --> 02:52:12.860
jim murez: um daffodil. We had it on everything. Yeah, I believe so, too, because I have comments on this. I I was just waiting.

1146
02:52:12.870 --> 02:52:30.580
CJ Cole: We'll go ahead. You want to make a comment. These are real. Briefly, there is one other um zip code that has to be considered, and it's nine nine. Oh, hold on! Just one second. I have to meet allly. We're getting a lot of background noise. Go ahead.

1147
02:52:31.130 --> 02:52:36.859
CJ Cole: Okay. There is another zip code that has to be considered. That is not

1148
02:52:36.920 --> 02:52:38.000
CJ Cole: all right.

1149
02:52:41.050 --> 02:53:00.350
CJ Cole: Are you my on or not. Yeah, You go ahead. Cj: There is another zip code that has to be included, and that's nine o two, nine, four, and that is anybody that yeah is in venison, has a mailbox as versus a straight address.

1150
02:53:00.360 --> 02:53:25.979
CJ Cole: Okay, So that has to be, You know, you've got to incorporate that. Those are po boxes, are they? What is your po boxes? Okay, Okay, we'll have. We'll have to modify the plan. But we can do that once we get the That's Okay, these are just a couple of the other thing is that I honestly think that this concept of whatever this committee is is just. I mean, we can't get through a meeting of five people,

1151
02:53:25.990 --> 02:53:29.099
CJ Cole: to say nothing of trying to have a committee of

1152
02:53:29.110 --> 02:53:58.359
CJ Cole: fifteen or twenty people. It's not gonna happen. We really need a committee chair person who has two or three worker bees that are going to work as a committee, and then they go out and expand to get the other people to do whatever it is, they can do not as a committee, because otherwise we might as well be working on the election. That's three years away. Not the one that's one year away because it'll never get done.

1153
02:53:58.990 --> 02:54:01.439
CJ Cole: That's my comment.

1154
02:54:01.490 --> 02:54:08.730
jim murez: Okay, thank you. Cj: Um. Seeing no other hands. Uh Let's take a vote on this

1155
02:54:09.360 --> 02:54:11.749
jim murez: um, and we're voting on the

1156
02:54:12.290 --> 02:54:21.039
jim murez: amendment. The The motion with the amendment to it, which is that the candidates not allowed to serve

1157
02:54:21.330 --> 02:54:23.060
jim murez: um

1158
02:54:25.030 --> 02:54:28.579
Daffodil Tyminski: Daffodil, How do you vote,

1159
02:54:30.430 --> 02:54:32.709
jay handal: Jay? Yes,

1160
02:54:34.610 --> 02:54:40.749
jim murez: Vicki can. Vicky is uh? She refused herself.

1161
02:54:41.620 --> 02:54:43.880
jim murez: Bruno,

1162
02:54:45.680 --> 02:55:01.229
jim murez: can you please mute? Whoever is coughing, or also Thank you. If you could mute until you're called on. Thank you, Clark.

1163
02:55:02.870 --> 02:55:05.919
jim murez: Yes, thank you, Nico.

1164
02:55:08.030 --> 02:55:09.020
Nico Ruderman: Yes,

1165
02:55:10.200 --> 02:55:11.460
jim murez: Jason,

1166
02:55:12.740 --> 02:55:14.949
Jason Sugars: i'm on. Clear on what we're voting. I'm sorry

1167
02:55:15.130 --> 02:55:16.180
jim murez: sorry

1168
02:55:16.420 --> 02:55:24.309
jim murez: i'm Unclear, on what we're voting on is that we're voting on the amended motion to adopt the plan.

1169
02:55:24.620 --> 02:55:25.640
Jason Sugars: Yes,

1170
02:55:28.190 --> 02:55:29.310
jim murez: Oops,

1171
02:55:31.050 --> 02:55:33.429
jim murez: uh sorry about that

1172
02:55:33.860 --> 02:55:35.519
jim murez: wrong keystroke.

1173
02:55:37.270 --> 02:55:39.349
jim murez: Allie, how do you vote?

1174
02:55:43.750 --> 02:55:50.399
jim murez: Yes, thank you to your eye. Thank you,

1175
02:55:51.710 --> 02:55:52.890
jim murez: Mike.

1176
02:55:53.100 --> 02:55:54.280
Mike Bravo: Yes,

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02:55:55.040 --> 02:55:56.360
jim murez: Cj.

1178
02:56:03.400 --> 02:56:04.960
jim murez: Cj. How do you vote?

1179
02:56:05.910 --> 02:56:11.549
jim murez: No. Now you're muted unmute?

1180
02:56:11.830 --> 02:56:12.940
Elizabeth: Yes,

1181
02:56:13.530 --> 02:56:14.640
jim murez: Robert

1182
02:56:16.750 --> 02:56:17.730
robertthibodeau: No,

1183
02:56:19.680 --> 02:56:21.490
jim murez: Clark. Yes,

1184
02:56:22.360 --> 02:56:23.630
jim murez: Michelle

1185
02:56:26.180 --> 02:56:27.539
jim murez: Zachary.

1186
02:56:27.660 --> 02:56:28.539
Zack Best: Yep,

1187
02:56:29.440 --> 02:56:31.680
jim murez: and I will vote. Yes, also.

1188
02:56:32.620 --> 02:56:38.829
jim murez: Um! The motion carries uh fifteen, one zero, one recusal.

1189
02:56:39.540 --> 02:56:42.870
jim murez: Um! Now we are going to

1190
02:56:43.150 --> 02:56:44.080
jim murez: uh

1191
02:56:44.310 --> 02:56:46.480
jim murez: take up the budget.

1192
02:56:47.340 --> 02:56:50.780
jim murez: Um, Jay, do you want to

1193
02:56:51.300 --> 02:56:54.279
jim murez: take us through the budget? Actually,

1194
02:56:54.310 --> 02:56:56.160
jim murez: let me uh

1195
02:56:57.930 --> 02:57:00.110
jim murez: that? I have the

1196
02:57:00.160 --> 02:57:01.270
jim murez: um.

1197
02:57:02.030 --> 02:57:09.419
jim murez: This was the budget that's on the screen right now was the budget that was

1198
02:57:11.420 --> 02:57:16.119
jim murez: submitted originally the the To Adcom

1199
02:57:16.150 --> 02:57:23.220
jim murez: and the Budget Committee met yesterday, and we have uh a different

1200
02:57:23.860 --> 02:57:28.960
jim murez: version of this um, which we probably want to

1201
02:57:29.370 --> 02:57:37.980
jay handal: bring on to the floor now,

1202
02:57:39.560 --> 02:57:50.019
jay handal: and one second give me a second, and I will bring it up. Okay. So while you're doing that, I'm going to start to just explain a little bit what was passed

1203
02:57:51.110 --> 02:57:54.670
jay handal: so briefly. Everybody who has a pen and paper.

1204
02:57:56.180 --> 02:58:02.719
jay handal: Uh, there's a thousand dollars for use over to three months for targeted social media. Advertising

1205
02:58:02.940 --> 02:58:07.219
jay handal: is two thousand dollars for a graphic designer

1206
02:58:07.280 --> 02:58:14.930
jay handal: to create the unified new branding for the Bmc. Election with five social media templates

1207
02:58:14.960 --> 02:58:31.829
jay handal: to be used, a design of the Bmc. Election page on the Bnc website design, a double sided five by seven postcard mailer design of four single-sided eleven by seventeen posters to go in commercial windows,

1208
02:58:31.960 --> 02:58:44.019
jay handal: three thousand five hundred dollars for the printing of one run of thirty thousand uh five by seven mailers, and four runs of fifty pieces of posters,

1209
02:58:44.300 --> 02:58:55.449
jay handal: fifty-five hundred for The distribution of mail is to every door direct. The post office, three thousand was originally set up in as a contingency, spending

1210
02:58:55.620 --> 02:59:13.960
jay handal: uh with asking for suggestions from the community. Uh, and there was some suggestions. Uh, there's up to seven thousand dollars for the print and distribution of an additional mailer. A lot of people said they wanted the voter Guy, that there was no voter guide involved,

1211
02:59:13.990 --> 02:59:26.949
jay handal: that it could be done through a web press uh like a newspaper print and done That was done that way before it. A lot of people said that was very successful, so it got reincorporated to look at

1212
02:59:26.970 --> 02:59:35.839
jay handal: uh two hundred dollars for the printing and placement, of three hundred and sixty by thirty-six inch vinyl banners. Um!

1213
02:59:38.210 --> 02:59:49.540
jay handal: To uh, one thousand five hundred dollars is fifteen thousand dollars allocated originally. The bounce of the money would come out of general fund. Uh, if approved.

1214
02:59:49.640 --> 02:59:51.039
jay handal: Um!

1215
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jay handal: That's the bulk of it, you know, Jim, you can post it, but when it's all said and done uh

1216
02:59:57.960 --> 03:00:00.440
jay handal: the Budget Committee uh

1217
03:00:00.930 --> 03:00:07.770
jay handal: came up with nineteen thousand five hundred dollars, and Jim to vote on that at the Budget Committee was.

1218
03:00:10.760 --> 03:00:12.360
jay handal: You're muted Jim.

1219
03:00:18.010 --> 03:00:19.599
jay handal: Can't hear you, Jim.

1220
03:00:27.380 --> 03:00:38.879
jim murez: There we go. I had to find the right button. Um! The The vote on that was uh six. Zero. Zero was unanimous. And now I have updated the

1221
03:00:40.570 --> 03:00:48.590
jim murez: uh agenda for tonight. With that we actually still need to have a motion made and seconded.

1222
03:00:48.620 --> 03:01:02.560
jim murez: So I will move it. Yeah. So so here here it is. It's. This is what we're calling alternate one. This is how it was approved last night at the Budget Committee. These are the numbers um that Jay just described,

1223
03:01:02.870 --> 03:01:07.410
jay handal: and and everybody who is on the call, I would I would urge you

1224
03:01:07.600 --> 03:01:08.840
jay handal: to

1225
03:01:08.900 --> 03:01:13.339
jay handal: or get this budget approved for Christopher,

1226
03:01:13.420 --> 03:01:23.890
jay handal: and give him that leeway to make this happen, that there's a lot of thought process that was put into this a lot of hard work, and um

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jay handal: I i. The one thing I didn't mention, by the way, was two hundred and seventy dollars to the city clerk. They will only pay a hundred and fifty dollars. The total for the Rec center is one hundred and fifty, plus two seventy. They have been suggestions. Ask, you know, the City Council Office to wave the fees.

1228
03:01:43.620 --> 03:01:52.310
jay handal: Uh, if anyone can get Mike Bond into return a call good for you. Uh! In the meantime we put it in the budget to make sure we have a location,

1229
03:01:52.400 --> 03:02:05.779
jay handal: so you know. Let's let Christopher do is say you know, let's let's make it happen. Christopher, it's all Jay Jay, let me interrupt you. I'm sorry. Cj: You have your hand up. Was there a reason why?

1230
03:02:06.020 --> 03:02:11.890
jim murez: And could I get a second on the motion that's on the floor, please. J. Made the motion. I need a second.

1231
03:02:13.260 --> 03:02:16.600
alley bean: I'll second it

1232
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jim murez: um,

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jim murez: and because i'm sure it's going to come up in discussion, I want to make it very clear that uh the nineteen thousand five hundred dollars that we're discussing here.

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jim murez: Um! That fifteen thousand of it was approved at a previous board meeting as part of the election budget, the four thousand five hundred um will be coming out of the general fund. Uh, it will need to be moved into elections.

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jim murez: Um! That would bring it up to the nineteen-five that will have to happen at a subsequent board meeting um for a redistribution of the funds on the

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jim murez: um as part of the treasurer's process. It's something that the city requires that will have to occur prior to

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jim murez: um any of the funds actually being spent. So we have to talk about that separately. Um in another board meeting. But, uh, we can go into that more later on in the meeting, but for right now

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: We have the budget here. Does anybody on the board not understand what's written on the screen? We'll talk about the merits of it. A little bit later I see I forgot to put in a return here, so i'll spread that out.

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jim murez: Um, if not, let's take public comment.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I see no hand staff, though. Can you help us out with public comment?

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jim murez: Give me one one half of one second. I'm sorry

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jim murez: I just want to.

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jim murez: While I have all of this in here. I just want to save this away real quick.

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jim murez: It's still in draft form, but I don't want to lose anything. Okay,

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Kalani W: Okay, go ahead.

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Kalani W: Less than five percent of your population voted in the last two elections, and that's a good thing compared to other neighborhood councils. You had close to two thousand people voting your elections. Most neighborhood councils have less than a hundred

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Kalani W: out of ninety-nine. We are wasting tens of millions of dollars money that could be better spent educating our young, engaging our young to start getting civically involved, instead of waiting for

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Kalani W: older adults to get involved or resume builders by then it's too late, and that all this Neighbor Neighborhood Council system is attracting retirees and resume builders,

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Kalani W: and a few people who actually believe in civic engagement. But after twenty years you have less than two five percent people voting in

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Kalani W: your Neighborhood Council election. That's a failure. Stop wasting taxpayer dollars. Fifteen thousand dollars is too much to spend on a Neighborhood Council election. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Connie.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh Nick. It's in the cello. Go ahead.

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Nick Antonicello: Yeah. The The reason why no one votes in these elections is because the city clerks offices and send everyone about

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Nick Antonicello: It's the only it's an ask backward system. You have to apply for a ballot. I've been a registered motor in Venice for thirty years. Why, Don't, I simply get a a balance in that. I I brought this to Jim's attention. If you want a high turnout they get everyone about It's very simple. The candidates will come

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Nick Antonicello: if the information and the data. The campaign is not on it on your phone. Nobody cares. Don't waste your money in print. I've been working at Consumer Magazine for thirty years. I've sold over fifty million dollars in the advertised,

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Nick Antonicello: and two thousand and twenty-two. If it's not at your phone it doesn't matter it away from print, because you want people to vote. The only place they find information is in their smartphone,

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Kalani W: the end of the beginning.

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Kalani W: I quote that you know a responsible for

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh, Thanks, Nick.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Next we have Helen Fallon and Yolanda Gonzalez, and with Yolanda we'll close public comment. But let's go to Helen first. Go ahead, Helen,

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Helen Fallon: I'm increasingly. Confused. Helen, Helen, Helen, speak a little louder and a little slower. Sorry.

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Helen Fallon: Okay. Listening to this conversation, I've become very this discussion. I've become very confused. Are we now waiting for a committee to be appointed, and to be organized that that will then implement the plan that you've just adopted.

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Helen Fallon: And if that's the case some of you obviously weren't listening when the city clerk explained the election procedures. Because candidate filing starts in eleven days from now, and it's over in the I almost the first first week of just after the first week of January, and there's a lot of holidays in there,

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Helen Fallon: so if you don't get a word out.

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Helen Fallon: It won't matter much about the election, because there won't be any candidates because they don't file on time. They don't get to run. So i'm

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Helen Fallon: this: This conversation has gotten so broad, and so many things have been thrown in. I might at all clear now what the intention is. Here. Is anything going to happen in time?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh, thank you, Helen.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh last, but not least, we have Yolanda. Go ahead. You wanna

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Daffodil Tyminski: You want a good dolls.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Um Yes, I'm. I'm gonna ask what hell back up. What, Helen? Just that We have to get this out before eleven days. Our next meeting is when December the fifteenth.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: This is very important. We've got to get this out, and anybody who is interested in their community, like most of us, all of us, has the city that really has trained us

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Yolanda Gonzalez: through the process has been an excellent job. This is an education. You don't even get in college today,

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Yolanda Gonzalez: and it's free.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: So the neighborhood process. The Neighborhood council process is excellent. You just have to learn to find out. I didn't get into it because of the love of politics. I got into it because of issues.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you very much. Alana. Um. With that you we're gonna close public comment.

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jim murez: Okay, Great? No, wait. It started. Sorry.

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jim murez: Um. Let me scroll back down.

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jim murez: Oh, here we are. Okay, We have uh

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jim murez: committee board discussion.

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jim murez: Um, J. I see. I think I see your hand is up.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So Jay's hand us up. I've just promoted him to panelists. How did that? The universe will let that happen? And I do believe he'll be a panelist.

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jim murez: Oh, maybe that's sorry, guys. I I I had to flip from the computer to the phone. Okay, Thank you. Um. So did anybody on the uh

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jim murez: committee have any questions about, or any discussion that they wanted to make about the Budget

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jim murez: Daffodil. Go ahead, please.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I just. I I mean it. I think this is a consistent what we've done in years past, and I know it's expensive, but I feel like costs are rising, so things are more expensive. Um! When we talked about this in Budget we talked about it in terms of up to this amount.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, so that there was some leeway to determine exactly. You know, vis the the various items what the cost would be,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and

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Daffodil Tyminski: um I don't see that in the motion.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Maybe it's a material, and i'm overthinking it. Um! But I just want to make sure that there's some flexibility moving forward. I'm a big believer in elections. I'm happy to spend on elections. You know we've got some money in the budget to do it. But is there, you know, for example, like

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Daffodil Tyminski: um, if we need a final banner. That's three hundred dollars. Um! Can we spend that? According to this budget when the contingency spent it for three thousand dollars may have already been taken, or something like that. So I just like a little discussion on that.

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jim murez: Okay,

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Daffodil Tyminski: i'm going to mute. I'm: a little sniffly. I'm just going to mute.

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jim murez: J. Did you want to respond to Daffodil's question? If an item changes in cost? Um, what does

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jim murez: the the committee that doesn't exist yet? Have to do to change the approved budget.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And and can Jim, can I say one more thing? I apologize. I don't mean to take so much time, but as I understand it. We don't have a committee yet, but we have a plan, and what we want to do if this meeting today is budget the plan,

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Daffodil Tyminski: so that we know the plan can be executed, and then, if we pass the plan, we plus the budget,

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Daffodil Tyminski: we'll have a committee which you will appoint. The chair, who are as soon presumably will appoint their members to effectuate the plan within the terms of the budget.

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Daffodil Tyminski: That's my understanding. Yes,

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jim murez: and whether or not that meeting is held

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jim murez: sometime in December, or in twenty-four hours after the end of this meeting, that is yet to be determined. We can discuss that at the end of our agenda on items to be discussed by committee members. Um, that are items, not on the agenda.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, all right, Just let us know.

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jim murez: Okay, So we had. Cj: You have your hand up about the budget.

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CJ Cole: Yeah. My only question and I know I sat through the Budget Committee meeting.

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CJ Cole: Um is the reason that we are. That was the additional seven thousand was added for a print and distribution of an additional mailer was because of the request to go ahead and do another. One of the go to voters guides

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CJ Cole: uh the new Sprint Style Voter guide Uh, that was then distributed. Using walking man is versus the Post Office. Um. And of course I if that is not designated for that, I cannot approve this budget

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CJ Cole: uh it's just way. Too much money to spend on social media which ninety nine percent of it's free. Um, you know It's just

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jim murez: the seven Cj: The seven thousand dollars line item is for print and distribution of an additional mailer, and the additional mailer that was discussed in the Budget Committee that's online um. And there's a video there. If you wanted to go back and and look at how that broke down. Um, it was for uh, I believe he called it.

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Oh,

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jim murez: web print! I think it was called the Web. The newspaper. Yeah. The newspaper style. It's a it's a low quality paper um folded up with, you know, multiple pages, and and I would only approve this budget if it's specifically send it. That was what it was going to be for.

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jay handal: So, Jim, we can. We can add that

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jim murez: I will not go for it unless you change it. Okay, wait, wait, Wait one more. How C. J. Cj. I heard you one one person at a time. J. What were you saying? You wanted to do So we can add on to that seven thousand dollars line. Item,

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jay handal: that is, for up to seven thousand dollars for web print uh voter guide,

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jay handal: And just for the record I reached out to the owner of that newspaper that I spoke about at the Budget Committee, and I should have an answer on costs tomorrow

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jim murez: that he was able to do it for lesson. Okay. So in other words, Cj: if on the seven thousand line. Item: I was to put web, print or newspaper print, or what do you? What would you like to see a voter sky?

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CJ Cole: Yeah,

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jay handal: correct.

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jim murez: Okay, Web web print

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jim murez: is that one word or two

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Elizabeth: must be two

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jim murez: web print voters. Guide: Okay,

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jim murez: So that's just clarifying that.

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jim murez: Um:

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jim murez: Okay, Any other. Uh,

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jim murez: Elizabeth, you have your hand up.

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Elizabeth: You gotta unmute. Yeah. Quick question. Um.

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Elizabeth: How large is our email list?

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jim murez: How many people do we have on our current mail.

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Elizabeth: Oh, boy, without having four thousand five hundred. I'm: constant contact. Okay, there you go. Okay, So that that's a that's a pretty substantial and targeted list.

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Elizabeth: So we're on here. Have you put money aside Because the deepest penetration or the best way that you get knowledge of penetration because it social media. In this case, all you're going to be able to

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Elizabeth: to convince yourself of is that you notified someone that there's an election. But, going back to my point. They you need them to execute the call to action. You could determine better through an a a mailer and email, because then we like, I do this for a living like. Then we watch the click throughs right. We know what caught their eye. What didn't catch their eye? Um! We know when the when the heading is boring, and it wasn't even worth sending.

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Elizabeth: When you do these large um mail outs to the door

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Elizabeth: nine out of ten times it doesn't work A. I mean. Most most people in the know in the marketing know gave up on that, except some realtors who just refuse and think it still works. Um,

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Elizabeth: you, you know. Really, your target and marketing is the hello you already have, which is your email database, and I think you should do a deep dive on that. I don't know if you use use constant contact mailchimp whatever um

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Elizabeth: you know, there's other. There's other apps I can introduce you to that do even better data analysis the mailchimp, but just something that should be in here, and it should be a concrete part, so that, you know if they actually want to learn how to vote.

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Elizabeth: Not just that they saw that there's an election. See the the difference in in the the way we're targeting them,

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Elizabeth: and I think it's really important. That would

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Elizabeth: encourage me to get on board if I saw an appropriate amount of money for the right type of marketing.

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jim murez: Um,

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jim murez: Christopher, are you still there?

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jim murez: Uh, yes, I'm still here um was part of the budget that you have here for reaching out to our current constant contact mailing list.

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Christopher Lee: There is no assumption that that would cost us money.

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Elizabeth: Okay, it does cost you money when you, when you're looking for bulk, or I'm sorry. Somebody's interrupting there, and I can't understand what's being said.

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jim murez: Uh Chris, Were you done

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Christopher Lee: that? That was yeah, that was the answer. Okay,

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jim murez: um.

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jim murez: So we don't have any special funding in here at this point for constant contact. Elizabeth, does that answer your question?

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jim murez: You're you're working blind. You don't even know how to target or brand or pivot if you're going the wrong way.

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jim murez: Um!

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jim murez: And the question is, I guess then, are we using the constant contact list. And the answer was, We're going to be doing it in the in the normal monthly mailings, and if we wanted to do anything more than that we would have to find money someplace in this budget.

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Elizabeth: There there are better data analysis than constant contact, and usually when you send mailings over one thousand five hundred, you know it does. I don't know what your account allows for. Um, but the other thing is you need to. You do need to put some time into.

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Elizabeth: If you're going to pay for someone like Don't, pay for someone to do social media when you have people like myself or I'd seamen. Vicki. There's lots of us who know how to handle social media pay for someone

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Elizabeth: who understands how to get click through, So calls to action on your email that you're putting out. So within your email there should be hooks right to it should be sticky. And if you're not looking at those hooks, and you don't even know if your emails are hitting

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jim murez: like. I just did an email campaign to a targeted market

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jim murez: We need. We need to pass this, and we need to have you participate in the committee before you decide to file for candidacy and talk to

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jim murez: the committee members about how to get that other person. If we need more funding to do that, we'll have to come back to the to the board where we have more funding available

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jim murez: um, and and ask for the budget to again. Be revised to do more of that type of marketing because it's not here. Now. Um! Let me move on, Nico. You had your hand up. Thank you for patiently waiting.

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Nico Ruderman: Yeah, um, just just a real quick points. Um, I I don't know the answer to this, but I wonder if we are able to access the voter database through

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Ivan: um the county registrar um to grow our email list. I you know, I know, like if you're If you're you can't do that,

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Ivan: you You're not allowed to. Okay. But they Won't: Give it to us. We tried. Yeah, Okay,

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Ivan: keep coming up with. I do so.

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jim murez: Okay, Um,

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jim murez: go ahead

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jim murez: definitely. You have to unmute or lower your hand.

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Daffodil Tyminski: I'm: so sorry I have got a sniffly nose and a barking dog.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! I I would just encourage folks not to let perfect be the enemy of good. Here we have a plan that is based on what generally, we believe, will cost, based on what we know. They're going to be details that kind of switch. And I think

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Daffodil Tyminski: that's why, when we when we talked about this in budget. It was up to this amount for these types of things, because, as the committee gets formed and the election unfolds, we're gonna find that we need some flexibility with maybe print media versus social media, that kind of thing.

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Daffodil Tyminski: And so I just wouldn't get hung up on a specific amount tied to a specific medium. Um, Because I think this was, You know this. The effort here was to be comprehensive, and I think everybody wants that we want to be inclusive as possible,

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Daffodil Tyminski: and um! We wanted to give enough money here, which I know is a lot. But to make all of this as inclusive as possible.

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jim murez: Thank you.

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jay handal: So I just wanted to say that number one. Uh, we already have money in the budget for constant contact, and the constant contact contract

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jay handal: goes for up to five thousand people, and we use it every month.

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jay handal: Uh, the second thing is that

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jay handal: um, I think that whoever is designing, you know, emails and things. Um, I I like what I heard, and we should be using her um knowledge, if possible, to be able to

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jay handal: uh craft really good emails to go out that educate people, how to become a candidate, how to become a voter, where to vote, how to vote, how to request a ballot.

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jay handal: You know. These are all things that the people we're putting together should be able to get to outreach to help put that out on constant contact. Thank you.

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jim murez: Okay.

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jim murez: Let's take a vote on this.

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jim murez: Um,

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Daffodil Tyminski: daffodil. How do you vote?

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Jay?

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jay handal: Yes,

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jim murez: Vicki: Oh, Vicki is recruited.

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jim murez: Uh Bruno. Yes,

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jim murez: Sima

1387
03:24:42.150 --> 03:24:43.220
Sima Kostov: Yes,

1388
03:24:43.530 --> 03:24:44.800
jim murez: Nico.

1389
03:24:46.730 --> 03:24:47.600
Nico Ruderman: Yes,

1390
03:24:48.650 --> 03:24:49.949
jim murez: Jason.

1391
03:24:50.000 --> 03:24:51.110
Jason Sugars: Yes,

1392
03:24:51.610 --> 03:24:52.800
jim murez: Alli.

1393
03:24:57.780 --> 03:25:00.080
Chie: Yes,

1394
03:25:01.210 --> 03:25:02.300
jim murez: Mike.

1395
03:25:02.550 --> 03:25:03.720
Mike Bravo: Yes.

1396
03:25:04.270 --> 03:25:06.499
CJ Cole: Cj: Yes.

1397
03:25:06.930 --> 03:25:08.330
jim murez: Elizabeth.

1398
03:25:09.630 --> 03:25:10.500
Elizabeth: Yeah,

1399
03:25:11.250 --> 03:25:13.089
robertthibodeau: Robert. Yes,

1400
03:25:13.770 --> 03:25:14.880
jim murez: Clark

1401
03:25:23.170 --> 03:25:24.539
jim murez: Zachary.

1402
03:25:24.620 --> 03:25:25.560
Zack Best: Yes,

1403
03:25:26.840 --> 03:25:29.350
jim murez: let me go back. Alli. Are you there?

1404
03:25:32.620 --> 03:25:34.430
jim murez: Ali Bean

1405
03:25:35.110 --> 03:25:38.369
jim murez: on Set Ally. We're calling on you,

1406
03:25:38.530 --> 03:25:44.379
Daffodil Tyminski: you know, a second ago. Hold on, i'm trying to get her unmuted,

1407
03:25:47.310 --> 03:25:49.119
Clark, Are you there?

1408
03:25:52.570 --> 03:25:54.440
jim murez: Because Clark still online?

1409
03:25:54.760 --> 03:25:58.610
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. I am trying to figure that out.

1410
03:26:02.280 --> 03:26:04.389
Daffodil Tyminski: I don't see. Clark.

1411
03:26:08.410 --> 03:26:16.779
Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, I see Allie trying to speak, but I I feel like she's on her cell phone and it.

1412
03:26:16.890 --> 03:26:18.780
Daffodil Tyminski: This is not very well.

1413
03:26:20.320 --> 03:26:30.419
jim murez: The motion carries one thousand three hundred and one to people locate lost in cyber world.

1414
03:26:30.600 --> 03:26:32.800
jim murez: Okay. So

1415
03:26:33.720 --> 03:26:37.530
jim murez: moving right along. Now we have a selection of board officer.

1416
03:26:38.020 --> 03:26:40.639
jim murez: We have three candidates.

1417
03:26:40.770 --> 03:26:42.110
jim murez: Um:

1418
03:26:42.570 --> 03:26:44.039
jim murez: Hmm.

1419
03:26:45.010 --> 03:26:48.350
Ivan: Okay, Jim. Yeah, you have a problem here

1420
03:26:49.320 --> 03:26:54.979
Ivan: because the motion says to a point, Oliver. Freeze right? Very direct

1421
03:27:03.390 --> 03:27:05.619
you. You can't just amend this.

1422
03:27:06.610 --> 03:27:12.490
jim murez: Okay? So we'll postpone this to the next meeting, and it won't. Say that

1423
03:27:13.630 --> 03:27:15.000
jim murez: um

1424
03:27:15.820 --> 03:27:25.720
jim murez: amendment to the language of the Vnc. Standing rules. Hmm. Standing Rule Number Nine sections A and B.

1425
03:27:26.720 --> 03:27:31.699
jim murez: Um. This was something that the city attorney said we needed to rewrite.

1426
03:27:32.180 --> 03:27:33.630
jim murez: Um.

1427
03:27:33.840 --> 03:27:35.739
jim murez: J. You have your hand up.

1428
03:27:35.910 --> 03:27:41.750
jim murez: Is it about something I've

1429
03:27:42.330 --> 03:27:58.299
jim murez: This is an item that we really have no choice but to adopt. I'm more than happy to allow public comment on it, because we're going to do it uh orderly, and by the rules I need somebody to make the motion.

1430
03:27:59.050 --> 03:28:00.480
robertthibodeau: I'll make the motion.

1431
03:28:00.630 --> 03:28:06.589
jay handal: Thank you, Robert. So there were several voices there who seconded

1432
03:28:07.140 --> 03:28:08.600
Jason Sugars: Jason.

1433
03:28:08.620 --> 03:28:10.229
jim murez: Thank you, Jason.

1434
03:28:11.190 --> 03:28:15.080
Ivan: Okay, Jim, can I take one minute and explain what we did.

1435
03:28:16.880 --> 03:28:18.039
jim murez: Um,

1436
03:28:19.370 --> 03:28:22.890
jim murez: I don't know. Are you not going to read the whole motion? Are you? No, no,

1437
03:28:23.480 --> 03:28:29.779
Ivan: Okay. One one minute I go ahead and explain. Okay, So

1438
03:28:29.960 --> 03:28:43.750
Ivan: what happened is, somebody complained to to done about language foul language being used at some of our meetings and wanted to know if we could get that person out of our meeting,

1439
03:28:43.760 --> 03:28:55.269
Ivan: and they sent back. No, you can't. He has a right to free speech, but you also need to take out any language in this motion. This was a standing rule.

1440
03:28:55.470 --> 03:29:00.989
Ivan: You have to take out any language which censors somebody

1441
03:29:01.150 --> 03:29:17.040
Ivan: and violates the right to free speech. So that's what this is. The majority of the language in here was already there. I removed two or three references to to foul language, to abuse of language,

1442
03:29:17.100 --> 03:29:26.919
Ivan: and uh! I headed in one sentence that had to be updated, which is about when you address the board. You have to address the chair.

1443
03:29:28.400 --> 03:29:37.839
Ivan: It said before you could address. You know the board as a whole, but you have to address the chair to Robert's rule thing that I added in. So

1444
03:29:38.170 --> 03:29:44.190
Ivan: here you go. The other thing we could do is just take the whole thing out. If you don't like it. Um,

1445
03:29:44.220 --> 03:29:47.349
Ivan: you just remove the standing rule that's up to the board.

1446
03:29:47.390 --> 03:29:48.880
Okay, Thank you, Jim.

1447
03:29:49.130 --> 03:29:50.240
jim murez: Okay,

1448
03:29:50.260 --> 03:29:59.460
Daffodil Tyminski: public comment. Daffodil. Do we have any public comment Hands raised

1449
03:30:00.290 --> 03:30:05.799
Daffodil Tyminski: couple? Um. Okay. So Yolanda Gonzales Go ahead, Yolanda.

1450
03:30:07.200 --> 03:30:08.920
Yolanda Gonzalez: Explanation,

1451
03:30:09.100 --> 03:30:15.010
Yolanda Gonzalez: addressing this chair and file language is a different

1452
03:30:15.170 --> 03:30:16.789
Yolanda Gonzalez: um

1453
03:30:16.820 --> 03:30:18.039
Yolanda Gonzalez: issue.

1454
03:30:18.100 --> 03:30:20.740
Yolanda Gonzalez: What are we discussing about?

1455
03:30:21.550 --> 03:30:26.300
Yolanda Gonzalez: That's what I want to find out, because I think it's just be Yes, in my opinion.

1456
03:30:26.470 --> 03:30:37.079
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. I've been given one Sec. We have Colodi, W. And then after coloni we will close public comment. We have no more hands raised,

1457
03:30:38.040 --> 03:30:40.819
Daffodil Tyminski: so it's like calling to speak, and then you can respond.

1458
03:30:42.020 --> 03:31:00.390
Kalani W: Go Ahead Colony. Hello, Huh! I'm surprised that this is even being discussed, and was even agendized. Um, you know i'm from a generation where sticks and stones could break my bones, but words would never hurt me. You know we we now are cow towing to a generation of of

1459
03:31:00.400 --> 03:31:10.459
Kalani W: overly sensitive anti-social overcoddled um people Just don't want to hear something that

1460
03:31:10.960 --> 03:31:12.680
Kalani W: we'll send them,

1461
03:31:12.810 --> 03:31:13.810
Kalani W: and

1462
03:31:13.940 --> 03:31:30.409
Kalani W: the list of words that we cannot say from George Carlin down is getting larger and larger and larger, and I just want to see it stop. Let's just toughen up, grin and bear it and move forward

1463
03:31:30.500 --> 03:31:45.340
Kalani W: so that we can all have our say, because we just don't realize that if you want to stop someone else. This free speech. Someone's going to be there to stop your free speech, because everyone is offended by some thing.

1464
03:31:46.040 --> 03:31:49.860
Kalani W: Let's just learn to be more civil. Thank you.

1465
03:31:52.670 --> 03:31:54.220
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. Colony.

1466
03:31:54.770 --> 03:31:58.169
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. With Jim that we will close public comment.

1467
03:31:58.470 --> 03:32:00.260
jim murez: Thank you. Daffodil.

1468
03:32:00.980 --> 03:32:04.300
jim murez: Um. Do we have any committee? Comment? Cj: you have your hand up.

1469
03:32:06.290 --> 03:32:10.970
CJ Cole: Yes, I'd like to make an amendment. Um,

1470
03:32:11.510 --> 03:32:19.299
CJ Cole: that we remove whatever this section is in total from the standing Uh: rules.

1471
03:32:22.110 --> 03:32:25.579
jim murez: Um, Okay, do we have a second

1472
03:32:27.440 --> 03:32:42.320
CJ Cole: Um. This is Daffodil, Cj: Could you restate that? I'm not sure. I heard you completely. I think I was uh agreeing with Ivan, that when you get through all of this with everything, it really doesn't say anything,

1473
03:32:42.900 --> 03:32:51.430
CJ Cole: whole lot of verbiage that basically says nothing because we cannot stop anybody from doing anything,

1474
03:32:52.370 --> 03:32:54.449
CJ Cole: so why do we even have it in?

1475
03:32:55.500 --> 03:32:58.679
CJ Cole: So i'm just saying we should remove it from total.

1476
03:33:17.940 --> 03:33:24.909
jim murez: Oh, i'm not it. I'm not hearing you the Sec. Ivan, you got to mute yourself. I got to mute you again. I'm sorry.

1477
03:33:25.190 --> 03:33:26.350
jim murez: Um

1478
03:33:27.340 --> 03:33:37.400
jim murez: Cj. Is. Has a proposed an alternate motion to remove this section from the standing rules all together.

1479
03:33:37.820 --> 03:33:41.449
jim murez: Um! Does anybody want to second the motion?

1480
03:33:44.350 --> 03:33:49.579
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, are we allowed to do that, Jim? I I feel like this has been voiced upon us by the city.

1481
03:33:49.720 --> 03:33:53.380
Daffodil Tyminski: I'm. Sorry. What are we allowed to

1482
03:33:53.640 --> 03:33:57.700
Daffodil Tyminski: do? What, by the way, a thousand percent with Cj. On this. But

1483
03:33:57.860 --> 03:34:03.519
Daffodil Tyminski: are we allowed to do this? Or it seems like this was an edict on high from the city, that

1484
03:34:04.110 --> 03:34:09.549
jim murez: we are just being forced to adopt. The city, said that we have to

1485
03:34:09.720 --> 03:34:15.160
jim murez: remove the verbiage that we had in the standing rules.

1486
03:34:15.290 --> 03:34:29.619
jim murez: Um, because they're now considering them unlawful. So either we remove the verbiage which Ivan has done in this for us, or we

1487
03:34:29.630 --> 03:34:35.790
jim murez: remove the entire section because it's standing rules. This is not in the bylaw, so we can modify

1488
03:34:36.070 --> 03:34:43.189
jim murez: the standing rules at any point in time. We want, Cj. Suggesting. We remove it entirely from the standing rules,

1489
03:34:43.780 --> 03:34:52.050
jim murez: because there's she was with her her point, and I will repeat it. Is she doesn't believe there's any value in what's still there,

1490
03:34:53.140 --> 03:35:10.010
Daffodil Tyminski: and so so I I I i'm not trying to jump in here. But so this is Ivan's rewrite, based on what the city attorney told us we should be doing, based on our old standing rules to conform with whatever their policies are.

1491
03:35:10.430 --> 03:35:11.480
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay.

1492
03:35:11.510 --> 03:35:17.070
CJ Cole: But there is nothing that requires us to have this in our

1493
03:35:17.120 --> 03:35:19.440
CJ Cole: standing roles or bylaws.

1494
03:35:21.830 --> 03:35:23.410
jim murez: That is correct.

1495
03:35:25.550 --> 03:35:38.560
Daffodil Tyminski: Yeah, i'm not. I'm not sure. I mean, I have. I wasn't in on this, but i'm not sure that's correct

1496
03:35:38.640 --> 03:35:53.699
jim murez: public comment. Or actually we've done public comment, so we can go on to.

1497
03:35:55.440 --> 03:35:58.039
jim murez: So now the

1498
03:35:59.950 --> 03:36:02.780
jim murez: public comment needs to now be taken

1499
03:36:02.850 --> 03:36:10.390
jim murez: for the uh, amended or revised motion, which is to remove this in its entirety

1500
03:36:10.430 --> 03:36:15.080
Michael Jensen: point of order. Aren't: We substantively amending the motion. If we're going to be

1501
03:36:17.240 --> 03:36:26.330
jim murez: yeah, we we are amending the motion you're at. I should start taking this, I should start recording this. I don't know why i'm not, but

1502
03:36:26.730 --> 03:36:46.579
robertthibodeau: wouldn't it. No vote do we have to do? We have to do this twice now, because wouldn't a novo just effectively do the same thing. They can vote, you know, if they want, and then other people want to keep the same invo. Yes, i'm having a heart. Let let me put on my headphones. I'm getting tired of bending over to hear this.

1503
03:36:49.350 --> 03:37:00.769
robertthibodeau: Can't they just vote no on it if they don't like it, and then the the answer is, No, we either have to leave it the way it is, or we have to change it.

1504
03:37:01.270 --> 03:37:05.959
CJ Cole: We can get rid of it,

1505
03:37:06.200 --> 03:37:08.889
CJ Cole: but we can't leave it the way it is.

1506
03:37:09.590 --> 03:37:15.470
CJ Cole: So by voting. No; on the motion we would be saying, we're going to leave it the way it is.

1507
03:37:18.510 --> 03:37:29.879
jim murez: And and just to be clear, I want to make sure um Standing Rule number nine. Are we talking about standing Rule Number nine, A and number Nine B.

1508
03:37:31.270 --> 03:37:36.829
jim murez: Because I believe there's more to standing role number nine than just A and B.

1509
03:37:37.270 --> 03:37:40.020
CJ Cole: I think Ivan has to answer that

1510
03:37:41.600 --> 03:37:52.939
jim murez: Ivan is, are we? If if if Cj's motion is passed and we remove A and B. Are we removing the entire standing role line. Are there other sections in standing rule line?

1511
03:37:56.930 --> 03:38:01.929
jim murez: Um daffodils. I've been muted. He probably doesn't know how to unmute

1512
03:38:01.980 --> 03:38:03.820
Daffodil Tyminski: um. I don't

1513
03:38:06.060 --> 03:38:11.079
Daffodil Tyminski: um. Oh, I've been just muted. You're right, Ivan. Could you on mute? Sorry.

1514
03:38:17.110 --> 03:38:19.729
jim murez: I'm gonna do this in the meantime,

1515
03:38:19.910 --> 03:38:30.440
Ivan: Is there an urgency for this particular matter, Jim? Is there something that prompted the city, turning now to

1516
03:38:31.070 --> 03:38:33.330
Daffodil Tyminski: But why? What happened?

1517
03:38:34.080 --> 03:38:44.780
Daffodil Tyminski: I will say. I mean, we've had incidents here and there in the past, but we have a pretty respectful board, and um constituency

1518
03:38:45.280 --> 03:38:50.079
Ivan: got somebody wrote to. There is a Sec. Burning, and this was their response.

1519
03:38:50.370 --> 03:38:51.530
Ivan: Okay,

1520
03:38:51.580 --> 03:38:55.820
Ivan: So we they told us we had to do this. Jim asked me to do it.

1521
03:38:56.830 --> 03:39:00.300
Ivan: I'm not beholden to this. If you you know,

1522
03:39:01.350 --> 03:39:03.840
Ivan: if you want to remove the whole thing. That's fine.

1523
03:39:04.090 --> 03:39:13.780
Daffodil Tyminski: I just wonder if we want to send it to a committee, be it? You know um, you know we'll take it in neighborhoods, or you know, another committee.

1524
03:39:14.060 --> 03:39:19.399
Ivan: It could go to

1525
03:39:19.800 --> 03:39:20.840
Ivan: all right.

1526
03:39:23.760 --> 03:39:28.480
jim murez: Okay. So um. We had a maker, which was Cj.

1527
03:39:28.630 --> 03:39:36.539
jim murez: Jim. Can you scroll back as we can hold. Hold on one second. Let me just record this real quick. Cj. Made the motion,

1528
03:39:37.010 --> 03:39:40.660
jim murez: Ali,

1529
03:39:40.890 --> 03:39:42.839
jim murez: how he being seconded,

1530
03:39:43.610 --> 03:39:44.680
jim murez: and

1531
03:39:46.150 --> 03:40:03.509
jim murez: this is the motion, and let me just point out that I did just bring up that there are Section C and a section D, also to the standing rules Number nine. So if we removed the entire thing, we would also be removing these sections. They're not on the agenda for tonight.

1532
03:40:03.520 --> 03:40:14.559
jim murez: Um! We could remove them, because Section nine is being discussed, but they may have other adverse effects that we haven't even started to consider. So we're going to leave them for now.

1533
03:40:15.960 --> 03:40:21.540
Ivan: Well, they won't make any sense without this. Yeah, I understand that. Okay.

1534
03:40:22.820 --> 03:40:23.699
No.

1535
03:40:27.330 --> 03:40:33.220
Daffodil Tyminski: So is this motion to replace what is currently in our standing rules.

1536
03:40:34.170 --> 03:40:35.570
Ivan: Revise

1537
03:40:36.130 --> 03:40:38.849
Ivan: what's the

1538
03:40:39.060 --> 03:40:42.040
Daffodil Tyminski: and what are the extent of the revisions?

1539
03:40:42.530 --> 03:40:47.319
Ivan: There were three or four sentences that had to do with

1540
03:40:47.440 --> 03:41:00.139
Ivan: uh abuse of language. Somebody could be removed for abuse of language which is an impingment on their first amendment. Right? So I removed that language and left everything else.

1541
03:41:03.310 --> 03:41:08.170
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, So our standing rules were actually more putative.

1542
03:41:08.240 --> 03:41:13.919
Daffodil Tyminski: Let's say them what the city would accept. And so they're asking us to scale back a little bit.

1543
03:41:15.080 --> 03:41:28.910
Ivan: What we had written was a violation of the first amendment, and we had to remove that language,

1544
03:41:33.020 --> 03:41:36.130
Ivan: and they actually do it. At our very next meeting

1545
03:41:36.820 --> 03:41:53.740
Daffodil Tyminski: they said, If you haven't passed it yet don't if you have passed to change your your next meeting.

1546
03:41:54.230 --> 03:42:04.219
jim murez: Okay, So right, we have a motion in a second. I can take public. We we have a motion. We have a second to remove standing Rule Number nine A and B

1547
03:42:04.370 --> 03:42:06.330
jim murez: Um.

1548
03:42:06.480 --> 03:42:19.289
Ivan: No, it would be the whole thing. Jim. Just remove standing Rule nine. Okay. So remove standing. Roll nine, right, and replace it. Is that okay with you? Cj: And okay with you. Alli: No, no, no, no, no. We're just removing it,

1549
03:42:22.160 --> 03:42:27.929
Michael Jensen: and then you would have to renumber every following section. I know that's minor, but that

1550
03:42:28.050 --> 03:42:29.770
Ivan: No, no, we wouldn't.

1551
03:42:30.140 --> 03:42:37.699
Ivan: Okay. You've done that before we're standing. We just so you just put it in it, and it goes. This has been removed,

1552
03:42:39.080 --> 03:42:56.509
jim murez: you know, with the title. We got it. Okay, that that that we can deal with later. So we're removing the motion that was seconded That we now want to take public comment on is to remove Section number nine from the standing rules,

1553
03:42:57.490 --> 03:43:02.969
Daffodil Tyminski: and so we have a few hands up for public comment. If you have public comment on this, please put your hand up.

1554
03:43:03.240 --> 03:43:04.460
Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

1555
03:43:04.540 --> 03:43:07.399
Daffodil Tyminski: let's start with Liz. Right go ahead. Liz

1556
03:43:09.260 --> 03:43:11.840
Elizabeth Wright: having been in a number of um

1557
03:43:12.250 --> 03:43:15.759
Elizabeth Wright: Neighborhood Council meetings in which uh

1558
03:43:16.150 --> 03:43:19.580
Elizabeth Wright: the police were invited to escort people from the room.

1559
03:43:19.610 --> 03:43:20.899
Elizabeth Wright: Uh, I think

1560
03:43:21.030 --> 03:43:24.180
Elizabeth Wright: correct that there be some guidelines

1561
03:43:24.240 --> 03:43:26.589
Elizabeth Wright: as far as acceptable behavior.

1562
03:43:27.000 --> 03:43:29.499
Elizabeth Wright: I would. I request that you not

1563
03:43:30.120 --> 03:43:31.529
Elizabeth Wright: take all of it out.

1564
03:43:33.930 --> 03:43:37.510
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you. Thanks, Liz. Uh, Helen,

1565
03:43:37.730 --> 03:43:39.049
Daffodil Tyminski: Go ahead, Helen.

1566
03:43:40.570 --> 03:43:43.799
Helen Fallon: Um! I support uh

1567
03:43:44.710 --> 03:43:49.400
Helen Fallon: recommendation that just be removed. It's The language is very convoluted.

1568
03:43:49.850 --> 03:43:55.220
Helen Fallon: Folks have a tendency and not understand things correctly when they aren't well written,

1569
03:43:55.250 --> 03:44:12.590
Helen Fallon: ie. I just read the issue on the on removing something for consent. And, Jim, you were wrong about it. Um. So you need to have clear right writing. If this is just it's just a bunch of gobley group and doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, so just get rid of it and start from scratch.

1570
03:44:13.320 --> 03:44:23.099
Helen Fallon: Fix it properly, and I think we do need to take the recommendations from the city attorney. I don't think anybody on this council is qualified to supersede their opinion.

1571
03:44:26.290 --> 03:44:29.449
Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen. Uh Yolanda. Go ahead.

1572
03:44:30.640 --> 03:44:41.029
Yolanda Gonzalez: Yeah. I've been to a lot of city council meetings, and it doesn't make a difference. Just remove it. It's just a waste of our time. We know how to behave. Thank you,

1573
03:44:41.650 --> 03:44:45.440
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Joanna, and last, but not least, Kalani,

1574
03:44:45.860 --> 03:44:46.920
Daffodil Tyminski: go ahead,

1575
03:44:48.590 --> 03:44:50.759
Kalani W: please remove it. Thank you

1576
03:44:56.100 --> 03:44:58.079
Daffodil Tyminski: All right, thank you, Connie.

1577
03:44:58.230 --> 03:45:01.360
Daffodil Tyminski: Um with Jim. With that we'll close public comment,

1578
03:45:05.430 --> 03:45:09.430
jim murez: removing Section number nine from the Vnc. Standing rules.

1579
03:45:12.650 --> 03:45:30.969
Elizabeth: I'm: so sorry that was from Elizabeth. Your hand is up. Go ahead, please.

1580
03:45:31.000 --> 03:45:33.300
Elizabeth: If we don't have to just eliminate

1581
03:45:33.560 --> 03:45:35.200
Elizabeth: what you need to

1582
03:45:35.320 --> 03:45:45.980
Elizabeth: um, You know I I never take it all away because you can't get it back once it's gone. Anyway, that's all.

1583
03:45:48.070 --> 03:45:50.700
robertthibodeau: Yeah, I'm all for uh

1584
03:45:50.820 --> 03:45:55.410
robertthibodeau: having rules for some sort of civility. And

1585
03:45:55.480 --> 03:46:03.149
robertthibodeau: um, you know, prohibiting the crazy behavior that we have actually seen it and meeting before, and

1586
03:46:03.260 --> 03:46:08.469
robertthibodeau: having something in writing that allows you to remove somebody from the meeting.

1587
03:46:08.830 --> 03:46:23.359
robertthibodeau: And frankly, I I've I've been disappointed. That city doesn't let you do the language thing. You know I I don't think that's a person amendment thing. But anyway, so i'm gonna i'm gonna vote to keep keep this in. Thank you.

1588
03:46:25.600 --> 03:46:38.340
jim murez: Okay. Do we have any more hands up, Daffodil. You just raised yours, Elizabeth. Could you put your down? And, Robert, you put your down place,

1589
03:46:38.430 --> 03:46:47.150
Daffodil Tyminski: not to deny, not to abolish the standing rule, but to approve this standing rule as a substitute

1590
03:46:47.320 --> 03:46:54.920
jim murez: is that correct

1591
03:46:55.230 --> 03:47:02.840
jim murez: which we replace this motion by saying, We are going to abolish this Section Number nine all together.

1592
03:47:03.580 --> 03:47:17.690
jim murez: Yes. Vote will remove standing Rule number nine. A No vote will allow standing Role Number Nine to remain in. And what did the city attorney advise us to do?

1593
03:47:19.020 --> 03:47:26.150
jim murez: The advice that we got from a city attorney was to correct the wording in our standing role.

1594
03:47:26.760 --> 03:47:37.439
Ivan: And what do you say? Correct you? You want us to remove anything that it engages um or pinges on first amendment. Speak

1595
03:47:38.760 --> 03:47:41.870
Ivan: So that's what I did, and I left everything else in there.

1596
03:47:42.000 --> 03:47:45.409
jim murez: I believe you got a copy to that email.

1597
03:47:45.530 --> 03:48:04.039
jim murez: I did. I did. I'm just not the way the conversation has gone in our discussion. Now, I'm not sure that everyone is clear on what we're doing here,

1598
03:48:04.050 --> 03:48:12.549
jim murez: and we can decide if it reads correctly or incorrectly, or we have some other motion from somebody else to

1599
03:48:13.260 --> 03:48:14.700
jim murez: do something else.

1600
03:48:15.110 --> 03:48:16.130
Daffodil Tyminski: Okay,

1601
03:48:17.410 --> 03:48:21.470
jim murez: thank you.

1602
03:48:21.740 --> 03:48:28.870
Michael Jensen: No, I I will save it for the for the original motion, because it it relates to that.

1603
03:48:31.410 --> 03:48:42.960
Sima Kostov: Um, I just want to point out that we should be cognizant of. I know some people say, Oh, we should be more thin, skinned, or sorry, thick skinned.

1604
03:48:42.970 --> 03:48:56.850
Sima Kostov: But I just think we should be cognizant that there is that sentiment out there like to be more kind and to not ignore that when we look at this motion again. So yeah, I just want to point that out.

1605
03:48:58.280 --> 03:49:02.809
jim murez: Thank you. Um, I see no other hands. Let's take a vote on

1606
03:49:02.970 --> 03:49:07.239
jim murez: whether or not to remove Section Number nine

1607
03:49:07.370 --> 03:49:09.150
jim murez: um, or

1608
03:49:09.310 --> 03:49:12.530
jim murez: go back to the original motion.

1609
03:49:12.670 --> 03:49:13.949
jim murez: Um!

1610
03:49:14.900 --> 03:49:16.349
jim murez: Did I even wrote up

1611
03:49:17.560 --> 03:49:27.209
jim murez: a yes vote will remove Section nine. A No vote will allow Section nine to remain in. By the way, did anybody happen to notice to Vicki. Come back to the meeting.

1612
03:49:27.530 --> 03:49:30.520
jim murez: I'm: right here, Jim.

1613
03:49:31.110 --> 03:49:35.980
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. Okay, Daffodil.

1614
03:49:36.310 --> 03:49:37.550
jim murez: Okay,

1615
03:49:37.690 --> 03:49:38.910
jim murez: Jay,

1616
03:49:41.980 --> 03:49:47.569
jim murez: Is he still here? He was on his cell phone.

1617
03:49:47.830 --> 03:49:59.859
Nico Ruderman: I'm: sorry, Jim. Just just um quick question. A A yes vote is is to I I know vote is is to keep it as as Ivan as has changed. We go we go back to the Ivan motion.

1618
03:49:59.870 --> 03:50:11.740
jim murez: It doesn't mean that we keep it that way. But we go back to that motion.

1619
03:50:13.390 --> 03:50:15.639
jim murez: Um, Jay, are you there.

1620
03:50:17.220 --> 03:50:19.700
Vicki Halliday: Okay, i'll come back. Vicki

1621
03:50:20.470 --> 03:50:22.440
jim murez: Bruno. No,

1622
03:50:22.660 --> 03:50:23.830
jim murez: Sima,

1623
03:50:25.030 --> 03:50:26.070
Vicki Halliday: no

1624
03:50:26.330 --> 03:50:27.560
jim murez: Nico,

1625
03:50:28.080 --> 03:50:28.930
Nico Ruderman: no

1626
03:50:30.240 --> 03:50:31.530
jim murez: Jason.

1627
03:50:33.220 --> 03:50:34.640
Jason Sugars: All of stain.

1628
03:50:35.790 --> 03:50:36.980
jim murez: Allie.

1629
03:50:40.660 --> 03:50:41.860
jim murez: Kai

1630
03:50:45.000 --> 03:50:46.479
Chie: sorry. No,

1631
03:50:47.550 --> 03:50:48.600
jim murez: Mike.

1632
03:50:49.260 --> 03:50:50.210
Mike Bravo: Yeah.

1633
03:50:51.180 --> 03:50:52.500
jim murez: Cj:

1634
03:50:52.740 --> 03:50:53.900
CJ Cole: Yes,

1635
03:50:54.440 --> 03:50:55.869
jim murez: Elizabeth,

1636
03:50:56.070 --> 03:50:57.110
Elizabeth: No,

1637
03:50:58.090 --> 03:50:59.969
robertthibodeau: Robert you know

1638
03:51:00.510 --> 03:51:01.710
jim murez: Clark.

1639
03:51:04.940 --> 03:51:06.720
jim murez: Did Clark make it back?

1640
03:51:14.720 --> 03:51:15.740
Michael Jensen: No,

1641
03:51:16.650 --> 03:51:17.900
jim murez: Zachary,

1642
03:51:17.950 --> 03:51:18.920
Zack Best: no

1643
03:51:20.410 --> 03:51:22.969
jim murez: um ally, are you there,

1644
03:51:23.800 --> 03:51:26.740
jim murez: Jay? I'm looking for you. Are you there, Jay?

1645
03:51:29.230 --> 03:51:31.100
jim murez: I'm going to vote. No.

1646
03:51:31.880 --> 03:51:39.319
jim murez: The motion carries eleven to zero. Now we're back to the original motion. No, the motion failed.

1647
03:51:39.930 --> 03:51:44.660
jim murez: Right? See Cj's motion fails. Now we're back to the original motion.

1648
03:51:44.680 --> 03:51:50.710
Ivan: Okay, Now, all the language that's in here has been here for a decade.

1649
03:51:50.910 --> 03:51:58.429
Ivan: The only thing that I added in says all remarks shall be addressed to the chair

1650
03:51:59.800 --> 03:52:16.829
jim murez: which is in Robert's rules thing, and it keeps people from attacking individual board members. That's right. So I get to take the attack as the as the chair of the board. But you you control the meeting. That's right. And so at that point, if somebody is uh misbehaving

1651
03:52:16.930 --> 03:52:29.309
jim murez: um, they're misbehaving at me, and not at any individual. Somebody was making an address to an individual that we could just cut off altogether because they were breaking our rules. Is that correct? You got it?

1652
03:52:29.320 --> 03:52:37.710
jim murez: Thank you. I wanted that to be very clear that if public comment was directly addressing another board member,

1653
03:52:37.960 --> 03:52:39.070
jim murez: and

1654
03:52:39.440 --> 03:52:45.720
jim murez: they were not addressing me, and referring to the board member in the third party.

1655
03:52:46.420 --> 03:53:03.089
jim murez: Then they would be violating our rules, and with that violation I could then mute them and remove them from, or ask the lapd as long as Section C and D. Are still left in there. I could ask them to be removed from the meeting hall,

1656
03:53:03.100 --> 03:53:12.860
Ivan: the the proper thing would be for the chair to give a warning. Correct, saying, Please address the chair. That's right, and Then, if they don't, then you're free to

1657
03:53:13.150 --> 03:53:24.130
jim murez: do whatever you want to do, then that's okay. Okay. Thank you. Ivan um. Do me a favor. Let me call on you if we have any more questions. The Colonel, you have your hand up.

1658
03:53:25.450 --> 03:53:26.650
Michael Jensen: Yeah.

1659
03:53:26.940 --> 03:53:31.330
Michael Jensen: I was not privy to any of the conversations with the city attorney,

1660
03:53:31.360 --> 03:53:36.329
Michael Jensen: but it strikes me as uh I I don't know

1661
03:53:36.390 --> 03:53:56.050
Michael Jensen: borderline malpractice to advise the client who is the city. In this case the the neighborhood Council to rewrite a rule in compliance with the first amendment, and then not actually rewrite the rule for us, and leave that to our Parliamentarian or committee. It just seems insane to me

1662
03:53:56.060 --> 03:54:13.280
Michael Jensen: that the city attorney is not here right now, or has not given us a red line change to the standing rule that they thought necessitated an immediate change. I i'm like floored by. How on professional that is, from the city attorney that's actually here to

1663
03:54:13.570 --> 03:54:16.220
Michael Jensen: you know, protect the city and to us.

1664
03:54:18.220 --> 03:54:23.489
Michael Jensen: So I don't know why we're even trying to divide what the city attorney has in mind for the rule.

1665
03:54:24.050 --> 03:54:32.439
jim murez: So keep in mind that neighborhood councils create their own bylaws and create their own standing rules.

1666
03:54:33.200 --> 03:54:35.720
And if they see that there's a problem,

1667
03:54:35.780 --> 03:54:45.440
jim murez: it's my understanding that what they've always done in the past is, say, hey, you got a problem with this. You got to rewrite it. Here's why they don't rewrite it for you, because we created it.

1668
03:54:47.800 --> 03:54:56.670
Michael Jensen: I hear you, I mean, I I think, that that is a a terrible representation of

1669
03:54:56.760 --> 03:54:59.700
Michael Jensen: our city. It's like that's just

1670
03:55:00.060 --> 03:55:01.039
Michael Jensen: uh

1671
03:55:01.610 --> 03:55:05.169
Michael Jensen: beyond poor representation by legal counsel.

1672
03:55:05.740 --> 03:55:10.790
jim murez: Okay, I I hear you. I don't necessarily disagree with you at all.

1673
03:55:11.180 --> 03:55:13.280
jim murez: It's the system we have.

1674
03:55:15.520 --> 03:55:17.739
jim murez: So do we have any more

1675
03:55:18.440 --> 03:55:19.610
jim murez: um

1676
03:55:20.010 --> 03:55:23.350
jim murez: committee comment on this. Did we take public comment on this?

1677
03:55:24.910 --> 03:55:26.870
Daffodil Tyminski: Um, I believe we did.

1678
03:55:27.000 --> 03:55:27.970
Okay,

1679
03:55:29.590 --> 03:55:30.530
Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

1680
03:55:31.280 --> 03:55:37.029
Daffodil Tyminski: I I would. This is, I would just say this committee comment. I completely agree with my account like this: is

1681
03:55:37.770 --> 03:55:40.609
Daffodil Tyminski: I. This is ridiculous, like

1682
03:55:41.250 --> 03:55:46.080
Daffodil Tyminski: um i'm not in principle against any rule change, but

1683
03:55:47.030 --> 03:55:53.430
Daffodil Tyminski: for the city attorney, which has seemingly specific goals, which you know are

1684
03:55:53.870 --> 03:55:56.640
Daffodil Tyminski: um opaque at best. Um!

1685
03:55:57.170 --> 03:56:03.569
Daffodil Tyminski: This is something that it's. It should be beyond us to have to decide this, based on whatever their goals are.

1686
03:56:04.640 --> 03:56:07.580
Daffodil Tyminski: And we do have. By the way, Jim, some committee comment,

1687
03:56:08.180 --> 03:56:14.690
jim murez: Yeah, i'm not sure. If we took public comment on this before Cj. Made her alternate motion.

1688
03:56:15.430 --> 03:56:21.660
jim murez: I don't think we did. I don't think we did either. Let's take public comment just to be clear.

1689
03:56:22.270 --> 03:56:29.509
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. So we have um. We have Elizabeth right? And Yolanda and J. I'm. Promoting you back to panelists.

1690
03:56:31.550 --> 03:56:34.049
Daffodil Tyminski: Uh Elizabeth. Why, don't you start first.

1691
03:56:42.730 --> 03:56:43.840
Daffodil Tyminski: Liz.

1692
03:56:46.430 --> 03:56:54.070
Elizabeth Wright: Okay, I I hope you will pass this it. Uh in Venice. I think it is necessary.

1693
03:56:54.510 --> 03:56:56.300
Elizabeth Wright: Uh,

1694
03:56:57.080 --> 03:57:00.340
Elizabeth Wright: constituents Do get a little rousy, rowdy.

1695
03:57:00.770 --> 03:57:01.720
Thank you.

1696
03:57:04.520 --> 03:57:08.559
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Liz. We also have Yolanda Gonzalez. You want to go ahead,

1697
03:57:09.210 --> 03:57:28.360
Yolanda Gonzalez: you know, In the past we've had things happen, and then the chair wants to remove the uh stakeholder, and we've had the police. And what does it have? We have a tremendous around. I know we can't. Sometimes we can't control the meeting, but the President, that is,

1698
03:57:28.380 --> 03:57:49.790
Yolanda Gonzalez: the chair always has been able to control the situation, and we don't really need it. It's like opening an account of worms on this one right now, and i'm in agreement with the the commentator, who said, i'm surprised even the the city attorney would bring this up. Look what's happening at City Council right now. Okay, He can't even control it at this moment. Thank you.

1699
03:57:53.710 --> 03:57:56.799
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks. Shalanda. Um. We will.

1700
03:57:57.470 --> 03:58:04.329
Daffodil Tyminski: I'm. Sorry, everybody. We have one more speaker uh Colony Clay. Why, don't you go ahead? And when that will close public comment,

1701
03:58:07.440 --> 03:58:13.739
Kalani W: I do know some of the downtown city council meetings do get uh pretty pretty heated, but

1702
03:58:14.230 --> 03:58:17.230
Kalani W: I am

1703
03:58:17.410 --> 03:58:21.430
Kalani W: neighborhood council meetings throughout the website and

1704
03:58:21.690 --> 03:58:34.740
Kalani W: um pre pre-covid and via zoom and aside from the person that sounds like a billy goat and gives his comical but sometimes

1705
03:58:35.290 --> 03:58:40.249
Kalani W: rather good comments. Um, you know

1706
03:58:40.350 --> 03:58:42.740
Kalani W: everyone's pretty well behaved.

1707
03:58:42.750 --> 03:59:10.730
Kalani W: I think this might be overreach. I think that our city attorney needs to be more concerned about the corruption that's occurring down at in City Hall and at various city agencies like led Ot Um, and of the affordable housing. Hc. Idla and Lhasa. Then he should be about neighborhood consoles. Thank you.

1708
03:59:16.870 --> 03:59:18.830
Thanks. So much quality

1709
03:59:19.280 --> 03:59:22.229
Daffodil Tyminski: uh with Jim. With that we're going to close Paul coming.

1710
03:59:22.570 --> 03:59:27.730
jim murez: Okay, Hang in there definitely. We're getting close.

1711
03:59:28.190 --> 03:59:33.070
jim murez: Okay, Do we have any more board discussion? J: You have your hand up? I'm: not sure. Why?

1712
03:59:34.270 --> 03:59:39.489
jim murez: Oh, my, that's my bad sorry.

1713
03:59:41.410 --> 03:59:55.749
jay handal: J: Did you have something you wanted to say? Your hand is up. Yeah, yeah. I just wanted to say that this is all going around the circles, anyway, because the Penal code, six hundred and three point, one, six, and three point two

1714
03:59:55.820 --> 04:00:00.460
jay handal: make it very clear that disrupting a public meeting, you get injected.

1715
04:00:00.620 --> 04:00:09.940
jay handal: My neighborhood council when we meet in person. That sign hangs in our hearing room. We hang it. Every meeting anybody gets disruptive.

1716
04:00:09.950 --> 04:00:23.390
jay handal: We ask the peace officer to remove them. It's at the Chairs discretion at that point. We don't need to really have it in writing in a standing rule, because it's a penal code for public meetings in the city of La.

1717
04:00:27.450 --> 04:00:40.199
jim murez: Thank you. J. Um, Please lower your hand. Do we have any more uh committee discussion. Nico. Go ahead, please,

1718
04:00:41.110 --> 04:00:43.579
Nico Ruderman: although no

1719
04:00:44.700 --> 04:00:47.290
jim murez: a disruptor. I love it,

1720
04:00:48.280 --> 04:00:49.839
jim murez: Robert. Go ahead.

1721
04:00:51.460 --> 04:00:53.140
jim murez: You gotta unmute Robert.

1722
04:00:54.080 --> 04:01:07.030
robertthibodeau: I do like Nico's attitude. There. But um! I think we should have something in writing, if uh, not just just so. People understand that they can't. They can. Uh

1723
04:01:07.950 --> 04:01:16.629
robertthibodeau: they can uh just behave any way they want to behave. And and then this this shows um. You know that there's something in writing that uh,

1724
04:01:16.690 --> 04:01:23.750
robertthibodeau: you know they they kind of have to align with, or then you you have the power to move into the meeting. I think that's important.

1725
04:01:25.310 --> 04:01:27.519
robertthibodeau: That's it. Thank you. Robert.

1726
04:01:30.480 --> 04:01:39.360
Michael Jensen: Yeah, I would just suggest that we asked the city attorney to rewrite the section and bring it back to vote. I'm happy to vote on it. But other than that. I'm not, you know.

1727
04:01:39.670 --> 04:01:40.640
Michael Jensen: Uh,

1728
04:01:41.130 --> 04:01:48.790
Michael Jensen: I'm not gonna try, and you know, uh, by trial and error, comply with the first amendment here like That's ridiculous.

1729
04:01:51.340 --> 04:01:53.400
jim murez: Thank you. Anybody else.

1730
04:01:54.240 --> 04:01:56.830
jim murez: Okay, let's take a vote on this

1731
04:01:58.290 --> 04:02:09.150
jim murez: daffodil. How? Uh, by the way, A Yes. Vote um amends it. A no vote leaves it as as the standing role currently is. Daffodil, How do you vote?

1732
04:02:12.020 --> 04:02:14.569
jim murez: Um, J: How do you vote?

1733
04:02:14.810 --> 04:02:16.640
jay handal: Um, Yes,

1734
04:02:17.370 --> 04:02:19.590
Vicki Halliday: Picky, How do you vote

1735
04:02:20.160 --> 04:02:24.429
jim murez: provo like, Yeah, Bruno. Excuse me

1736
04:02:24.950 --> 04:02:27.970
jim murez: getting late. Folks.

1737
04:02:28.250 --> 04:02:29.420
Nico

1738
04:02:32.800 --> 04:02:34.410
jim murez: um Jason.

1739
04:02:34.940 --> 04:02:36.030
Jason Sugars: Yes,

1740
04:02:37.730 --> 04:02:39.699
jim murez: um ally

1741
04:02:42.000 --> 04:02:43.130
jim murez: Kai

1742
04:02:47.610 --> 04:02:48.650
jim murez: Mike

1743
04:02:49.040 --> 04:02:50.090
Mike Bravo: no

1744
04:02:51.660 --> 04:02:52.910
jim murez: Cj.

1745
04:02:53.020 --> 04:02:54.130
CJ Cole: Yes,

1746
04:02:54.890 --> 04:02:56.240
jim murez: Elizabeth.

1747
04:02:56.500 --> 04:02:57.600
Elizabeth: Yes,

1748
04:02:57.750 --> 04:02:58.900
jim murez: Robert,

1749
04:02:59.610 --> 04:03:00.730
robertthibodeau: yes,

1750
04:03:01.110 --> 04:03:02.210
jim murez: Clark

1751
04:03:04.640 --> 04:03:05.840
jim murez: Michelle

1752
04:03:08.010 --> 04:03:09.880
Michael Jensen: um abstain

1753
04:03:11.070 --> 04:03:12.289
jim murez: Zachary.

1754
04:03:12.740 --> 04:03:13.930
Zack Best: Yes,

1755
04:03:14.840 --> 04:03:17.310
Chie: he is a Yes, to please. Sorry.

1756
04:03:17.440 --> 04:03:21.020
jim murez: Oh, okay, great. I was just gonna call on you again,

1757
04:03:21.910 --> 04:03:29.590
alley bean: and I will call on Ally one more time,

1758
04:03:31.810 --> 04:03:33.660
jim murez: Clark, are you there.

1759
04:03:35.440 --> 04:03:41.399
Daffodil Tyminski: I like the costume alley, and I will vote. Yes.

1760
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jim murez: Okay. So the most eleven, three, two, Yeah, It really is.

1761
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jim murez: Okay. So that motion carried um. Now we have to go back to

1762
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Ivan: before you leave this.

1763
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Ivan: Okay, Two things one that you and I should probably talk tomorrow because we've got to respond to Freddy and let him know what we did. Okay, Um, Vicki

1764
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Ivan: Is Vicky still here? Yeah,

1765
04:04:16.840 --> 04:04:27.679
jim murez: we can talk about that offline. I'm not sure if she has, but that has to happen. Ivan Ivan will talk about it offline.

1766
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jim murez: Let's go back to. We had a couple of them up here

1767
04:04:33.830 --> 04:04:36.899
jim murez: that were taken off of consent,

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plus you?

1769
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Michael Jensen: Oh, sorry we're seeing this going around. I forgot. So I believe

1770
04:04:47.080 --> 04:04:50.940
jim murez: fifteen was taken off of consent.

1771
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robertthibodeau: Um! Who's that? Taking off consent. Why,

1772
04:04:55.490 --> 04:05:03.059
jim murez: Lisa Redmond, I think. Yeah, here Lisa is. Is Lisa still in the audience? Daffodil.

1773
04:05:04.020 --> 04:05:20.310
robertthibodeau: Um. I do not see her present.

1774
04:05:21.400 --> 04:05:25.029
robertthibodeau: Yeah, And she's not here. I'm just double checking.

1775
04:05:25.080 --> 04:05:31.340
jim murez: Okay, so that one goes back on consent. So those were all passed on consent, and i'll check them all off

1776
04:05:31.590 --> 04:05:34.130
jim murez: later, and then we had

1777
04:05:35.690 --> 04:05:47.679
jim murez: um a couple of land. Use consent items, land use that. Helen pulled off, and she's still here, so we should hear that.

1778
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jim murez: So we're on Number Eighteen for those updates.

1779
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jim murez: Do I hold to read The entire kel is making the motion. No, we need a second.

1780
04:06:03.770 --> 04:06:07.499
Vicki Halliday: Can somebody make a second,

1781
04:06:08.640 --> 04:06:11.950
jim murez: I think Vicki beat you to it.

1782
04:06:12.800 --> 04:06:14.800
jim murez: Okay, um.

1783
04:06:17.000 --> 04:06:31.470
Michael Jensen: Do we want you to read this?

1784
04:06:31.570 --> 04:06:44.919
Michael Jensen: Oh, so we should hold off on this one?

1785
04:06:45.300 --> 04:06:53.289
jim murez: Um, Thank you. I didn't. I just put them on the order. They: Yeah, Okay, Michelle is making the motion. Do we have a second

1786
04:06:58.760 --> 04:06:59.830
Michael Jensen: Bueller

1787
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jim murez: Oops wrong one?

1788
04:07:10.060 --> 04:07:11.150
jim murez: Okay,

1789
04:07:11.330 --> 04:07:12.680
jim murez: um.

1790
04:07:12.930 --> 04:07:15.029
jim murez: You want to go ahead and read that for me.

1791
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Michael Jensen: Sure um in the motion uh Lupeck recommends the Vmc. Make the following motion: whereas uh Lupeck has reviewed the planning department's, draft concepts from summer two thousand and twenty-two to be used in the forthcoming updates to the local coastal program

1792
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Michael Jensen: and community plan whereas existing zoning and uses on Rose Avenue are commercial or exclusively residential, whereas on may eleventh, one thousand nine hundred and eighty-nine, the Los Angeles City Council approved ordinance number one, six, four, eight, four, four city Council, file, eight, eight, zero, seven, one, nine

1793
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Michael Jensen: uh which was initiated, in one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight, which down zone hundreds of parcels within Venice, including rezoning a number of commercial zone Lots on Rose avenue to residential, whereas rose avenue main to lincoln has traditionally been a commercial corridor to serve the surrounding neighborhood.

1794
04:08:06.030 --> 04:08:14.920
Michael Jensen: And uh, now, therefore, um Lupeck recommends the city planning department incorporate the following recommendations:

1795
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Michael Jensen: One extend the mixed use. Corridor Rose Avenue to all of Rose Avenue, between Lincoln and Main Street,

1796
04:08:23.320 --> 04:08:25.790
Michael Jensen: Lincoln Boulevard, two Main Street. Sorry.

1797
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jim murez: Thank you.

1798
04:08:27.620 --> 04:08:29.890
jim murez: Okay. Let's take public comment,

1799
04:08:31.790 --> 04:08:33.980
Ivan: I'm Kim, before you do that

1800
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Ivan: at the bottom of the motion. After the therefore,

1801
04:08:38.340 --> 04:08:41.800
Ivan: it should say, the Venice Neighborhood Council

1802
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Ivan: recommend. So uh,

1803
04:08:45.050 --> 04:08:47.190
Michael Jensen: yeah, and also the and

1804
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Michael Jensen: before now, therefore, it should get moved to the

1805
04:08:50.760 --> 04:08:58.759
Ivan: before the final, whereas right well, the whole. Then one of the thing, Mac, it doesn't say what to do with this.

1806
04:08:59.380 --> 04:09:14.080
Michael Jensen: That's okay. Had it district. It had a distribution list and the motion and the general. But it's. You know what i'm saying, Well, we can work distribution

1807
04:09:14.380 --> 04:09:17.950
Michael Jensen: right. I put the three individuals in the distribution list, but

1808
04:09:17.960 --> 04:09:35.159
jim murez: I I think your original time time out. Please let's take this one comment at a time. Let me see if I can conduct this. It's getting late. Let's see if we can get through quickly. Tell you said the end needs to be moved to where?

1809
04:09:35.170 --> 04:09:39.729
Michael Jensen: Well, typically in recitals, the and goes before the

1810
04:09:39.950 --> 04:09:42.400
Michael Jensen: final. Whereas

1811
04:09:42.660 --> 04:09:50.250
jim murez: Okay. So that would be moved up to here. Is that correct? Okay? And then it's a period before now. Therefore,

1812
04:09:51.820 --> 04:09:53.890
jim murez: then, there's a period

1813
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jim murez: here. Yeah, okay.

1814
04:09:56.850 --> 04:10:11.129
jim murez: Now we have that correct. Now, the next question was distribution list. We can handle that that. We can handle that after the meeting. We don't have to do it before you send it out. That's right, and

1815
04:10:11.140 --> 04:10:27.200
jim murez: it once the board approves it it we can send it to anybody we want to send it to or disapproves it. It just okay, exactly. But you have to know where you're sending it. We'll we'll. We'll work that out. Thank you. Okay, Okay, Let's not interrupt. Let's keep going for one. Alright.

1816
04:10:27.220 --> 04:10:31.769
jim murez: Let's take public comment, and then we will come back to committee comment.

1817
04:10:32.070 --> 04:10:49.959
Daffodil Tyminski: I'm not sure why, but i'm seeing Erica more listed as a panelist. Maybe that was from earlier when she was part of the uh earlier in Erica. What i'll do is I'll change your role to attendee and just start with me. Just put your hand up, and we'll take you in public comment.

1818
04:10:52.060 --> 04:10:54.389
Daffodil Tyminski: You'll have to just put it up again,

1819
04:10:55.530 --> 04:11:00.160
Daffodil Tyminski: and Melissa is here, most of the diner.

1820
04:11:04.870 --> 04:11:06.599
jim murez: Melissa, Are you here,

1821
04:11:09.640 --> 04:11:11.709
jim murez: Melissa? Diner, Are you here?

1822
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jim murez: She texted me. Yes, but you need to respond. Yes,

1823
04:11:27.600 --> 04:11:29.300
jim murez: it won't unmute.

1824
04:11:31.110 --> 04:11:33.449
jim murez: Um Daffodil.

1825
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jim murez: Yeah, wait. She She texts too fast. She keeps sending sense.

1826
04:11:38.690 --> 04:11:42.909
jim murez: Um, let me see if I can figure out why she can't unmute.

1827
04:11:43.390 --> 04:11:45.009
Nico Ruderman: She's an attendee.

1828
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jim murez: Oh, she is! Then she needs to be promoted. Oh, but she if she's on her she may be on her phone.

1829
04:11:55.000 --> 04:11:59.649
jim murez: Um, Then Now my phone saying it's gonna automatically mute her.

1830
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jim murez: That's a good feature.

1831
04:12:02.350 --> 04:12:11.719
jim murez: Well, you know what i'll allow most of the talk if she's trying to say she can say it. But let's just move on and take public

1832
04:12:13.610 --> 04:12:16.029
jim murez: promote to panelist.

1833
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Daffodil Tyminski: I can talk now. Don't need to talk. Keep going all that. Yes, she she has to agree to be a panelist, so Let's just let her talk as an attendee. It's fine. Whoever's sneezing into the microphone. If they could turn off their microphone.

1834
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! Let's go with public comment, Helen, Why, don't you go first?

1835
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Helen Fallon: Yeah. I think that both of these motions need to be looked at together. Because you can't vote on this without looking at the other motion, which increases height, limits, limits the grain space and decreases the setbacks, and they basically makes the street pedestrian unfriendly. It's not a wide street into.

1836
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Helen Fallon: To encourage this over development along that street, and the name of commercial corridor is is just to put completely taking away the the feeling that that street has, and creating it to be this, you know, corridor that is

1837
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Helen Fallon: unfriendly to pedestrians, lots of shade, no green space, et cetera. And what happens with the Rsl. Housing with this whole thing. Now, there was a lot of uh input about the plan to the city. Um, what? Two years ago, and I don't see how this reflects what the city with the

1838
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Helen Fallon: community was saying to this Neighborhood Council, and our Lupeck is not exactly an unbiased council of committee that reflects the water interest of the community, their developers and architects.

1839
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Helen Fallon: A vote against this.

1840
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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you, Helen. Uh, Erica More. Go ahead.

1841
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Erica Moore: Of course you call me when I just to go bite if something we can go to, and then you

1842
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Daffodil Tyminski: uh call me go ahead.

1843
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Kalani W: Uh, yes. Well, Rose Avenue does

1844
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Kalani W: widen after Lincoln, so

1845
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Kalani W: I appreciate the length of time that has been allowed to debate this subject. I'm initially here on this meeting, because of the Venice, all of our mobility project. Item that was

1846
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Kalani W: put back on consent. But

1847
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Kalani W: in comparison to the length of time that Rose Avenue corridor was given, and how this the Venice Boulevard Um project has been rushed, and that's

1848
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Kalani W: a road diet that's actually going to take away a lane of traffic and cause traffic more traffic back up. I take Rose Avenue to get home here in in the Marina all the time, because i'm trying to avoid traffic on Lincoln and Pacific that are that's already backing up

1849
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Kalani W: without the Venice Boulevard Row diet. So I appreciate the time that's being allowed for this subject to be debated. I wish the Venice Boulevard Mobility Project was given as much, if not more time. Thank you.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Thank you.

1851
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um, Erica. Are you ready to go?

1852
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Erica Moore: I'm. Ready to go? Um. Okay. So I just wanted to say that

1853
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Erica Moore: I have concerns about this for a multitude of reasons. I travel on Rose pretty much every single day for business reasons. Actually, I do business um with mood juice,

1854
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Erica Moore: and I have to say that it's already extremely crowded. It's very hard to function on that street for for a multitude of reasons. But i'm concerned about all the people that do live on that street. There are residents on that street, and I think that

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Erica Moore: I I mean i'm all for expansion. But responsibly I don't think it's responsible to do that in that little strip. I just really don't. I already see what happens with deliveries. It's a real nightmare. There's no space for delivery time. These people don't have. There are some alleys. There's a lot of issues there

1856
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Erica Moore: with the way the street is structured, and it is very short, so I know there's some mixed use already there, and there are lots of businesses. I think that we need to respect the residential section. Thank you.

1857
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Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Erica. Um. With that we'll close public comment him.

1858
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Okay.

1859
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jim murez: So there is our motion. There it was seconded. I see some hands are up, Michael. I'm going to call on you towards the end. So in case something comes up, you can still answer.

1860
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jim murez: Keep you keep your hand up. But I I want to get through any other committee, comments Ali. Go ahead,

1861
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jim murez: Ali. If you're there, your hand is up.

1862
04:17:06.180 --> 04:17:08.909
jim murez: I don't see you, but I see your hand.

1863
04:17:11.330 --> 04:17:15.370
jim murez: Well, I'm going to put your hand down and see if it comes back up.

1864
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jim murez: Daffodil go ahead, please.

1865
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. So this mostly affects two different blocks on Rose and I've spoken with every single owner of these properties or person living in these properties, and a lot of them didn't even know that this happened to them. When it happened. They thought they had commercial properties. The city zoned it or rezoned it down, zoned it

1866
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Daffodil Tyminski: without their knowledge, and they have been fighting for twenty years to get

1867
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Daffodil Tyminski: the zoning back to where it was because they were never given notice. Notice was posted downtown. Um! It was not posted like we all obsessed over notice now on three different locations, and you know, online and all that stuff.

1868
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! And what was done to these um property owners on Rose is would be criminal almost in any other contacts. This was almost a taking of their property. So um I wholeheartedly support this. I don't know a single resident of Rose that is against it.

1869
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! They all feel they've been wrong. They've all tried to sue the city. They've all been in multiple different administrative actions with the city, and they've gotten no satisfaction.

1870
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Daffodil Tyminski: Um! And they've been lied to again and again and again by people, and with all due respect to folks commenting who say, Oh, we don't like traffic. We don't like this. We don't like that. But the fact is, they had a commercial property that was taken from them,

1871
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Daffodil Tyminski: and it's not just a matter of them having a business that they could run there, or whatever it's that when you have a commercial property you get lower financing. You get better mortgages like there's a whole of things that go along with that that are not necessarily just limited to having a business at that property.

1872
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Daffodil Tyminski: So I completely support this. I actually didn't even realize that Lupe had dealt with it. But i'm glad they did. This is a long time coming. Um! It's something that bonn for personal, petty, vindictive reasons would not deal with

1873
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Daffodil Tyminski: um, And i'm hopeful that we can actually rectify this because we have, You know, I know at least five of the property owners along there. I've met them all, and they're just exasperated by dealing with the city, having been wronged for almost twenty years,

1874
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Daffodil Tyminski: so

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Daffodil Tyminski: I would say, support loop on this one. They did their homework.

1876
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jim murez: Thank you. Daffodil. Um

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Cj: You have your hand up.

1878
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CJ Cole: Um, yes, I think it's not that I care about it being changed

1879
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CJ Cole: to, you know, all commercial or commercial, with the residential above, whatever you want to call it. It's just that I do not agree with increasing the height limits, and you know the one thing that they say is, you know I the Venice

1880
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CJ Cole: uh community housing structure that's the one that's taller. Um, but it doesn't mean that the whole street of Rose Avenue should be able to go up to that height limit uh and the same with the setbacks. Now, the commercial setbacks, you know I don't have as much problem with setbacks. It's just the height,

1881
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CJ Cole: and uh, frankly so therefore i'm not gonna vote for it. But I expressed this in loop pack also, so, and nobody listened then, so they probably won't. Now,

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jim murez: thank you. Cj: I just want to be clear. This is not the motion before us right now is not addressing height. We're not talking about height in this motion.

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CJ Cole: You understand that right? Cj:

1884
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jim murez: Hold on

1885
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Michael Jensen: um, Michelle, go ahead. You're gonna be the last speaker, and then we'll take a vote. Yeah. So I just want to this motion. If you guys recall in. I believe it was December of two thousand and twenty-one, as a result of somewhere between, I think, seventy and eighty

1886
04:21:36.240 --> 04:21:51.320
Michael Jensen: stakeholders uh signing a petition to put this on the Vnc calendar. Um rose. This corridor of Rose is one of the things that those residents um asked the Vnc.

1887
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Michael Jensen: To address, and it had been, for I I believe, like two years essentially uh sat on and didn't go anywhere. And so, you know, this has broad support from the stakeholders who are really affected by it.

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Michael Jensen: And

1889
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Michael Jensen: And so I I think that I mean especially this part of it, which addresses just the down zoning on Rose Avenue

1890
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Michael Jensen: in eighty-nine that made you know this weird, disjointed corridor of something that's supposed to be a commercial corridor. This motion is addressing just that mixed use concept and restoring it uh, to be similar to the the rest of the those blocks.

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jim murez: Thank you, Michelle, and and I will uh just echo what what Mikkel said. Um! It was in in uh two thousand and twenty-one when the board was uh uh handed

1892
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jim murez: um a long petition of signatures asking for four areas in Venice to be considered to be uh

1893
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jim murez: zoned back to revert the zoning back to prior to this uh one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight action that was taken for eighty-nine action that was taken. And this is one of those four Um. And and there are still three others. That I hope blue pack has time to take on before the end of our term, but in the meantime this one item is before us. It has nothing to do with height. It's strictly reverting the original, requesting that the original

1894
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jim murez: uh uh zoning be re. Return to to this uh mixed. Use corridor

1895
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jim murez: on that. Let's take a vote. Cj: Your hand just quickly went up. Is there something about what I said that offended you?

1896
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jim murez: Unmute yourself? Cj: If you want to talk,

1897
04:23:48.400 --> 04:23:53.080
CJ Cole: it's just that this this doesn't say what the zoning they want it to go to,

1898
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CJ Cole: because it's zoning if they want it to go to whatever it was, an R, five or something, or a C. Whatever

1899
04:24:01.260 --> 04:24:08.730
CJ Cole: That makes a difference. That's where you get into the height limits. So this I don't know what their original zoning was,

1900
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Michael Jensen: Was it Cr. It was, I believe it was all C, two, one. So So this this is targeting the like exact language that's used in the draft concepts of.

1901
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Michael Jensen: We don't know what they're gonna call the zoning on all of Rose, but they in the draft concepts. They have called this most of the stretch mixed. Use corridor rows with a specific, you know. You know. Uh,

1902
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Michael Jensen: that's going to have one uniform set of standards.

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Michael Jensen: The zoning may change, and that's why i'm not using C two, although it in all likelihood will be.

1904
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Michael Jensen: But i'm just trying to make it

1905
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Michael Jensen: uniform to what the city's proposal has in it right now.

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jim murez: Okay, and and the and the other commercial properties on the rest of Rose. In this stretch are all c. Two dash, one, with the with the exception of the whole Foods property, I believe. Can Can I Just this is Stephen. Can I just interject one thing that's kind of critical to this analysis.

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Daffodil Tyminski: Um. These properties were c. Two, one. They were rezoned a residential, which means they now have residential units on them.

1908
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Daffodil Tyminski: The The idea what they would like, or what the city wants, and everyone wants is to rezone them for c. Two, one. But we are not or not. We but, like they are not trying to remove the residential component. It's a change of zoning, not a change of use.

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Daffodil Tyminski: So we are voting here to allow there to be a change of zoning to avail the residents of the rights that they had when they originally bought the properties. How they use those properties, they still have to comply with all the city requirements.

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jim murez: Yeah, um. So they're originally allowed to build up to forty-five. P Now, I I know it is not part of the height is not an issue. Time time out definitely. Just so. We're one hundred percent clear. Cj

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jim murez: in one thousand nine hundred and eighty-eight, the Venice I, Ceo, was just being adopted time time time out, time out,

1912
04:26:32.530 --> 04:26:40.890
jim murez: prior to the Ico. The venison Room control ordinance, which was adopted in late eighty eight. And this actually was started prior

1913
04:26:40.980 --> 04:26:54.639
jim murez: prior to the adoption of of the Ico. There was no restricted height limit You would be allowed to go to forty-five feet. Once the Ico was adopted, you were only allowed to go to thirty feet in North Venice

1914
04:26:54.650 --> 04:27:07.729
jim murez: and so this is reflecting what it would have been at thirty feet, not at the forty-five foot elevations. The same thing is true in the Peninsula in the Peninsula, that they were allowed to go to forty-five feet that drop down to thirty as well.

1915
04:27:08.350 --> 04:27:09.380
CJ Cole: Okay.

1916
04:27:12.550 --> 04:27:23.369
jim murez: Okay, Um. I don't believe we have any other hands up to is your hand. Up. Are you done

1917
04:27:25.740 --> 04:27:29.320
jim murez: um Daffodil, How do you vote?

1918
04:27:31.470 --> 04:27:34.349
jim murez: Uh Jay, How do you vote?

1919
04:27:34.750 --> 04:27:36.269
jay handal: Yes,

1920
04:27:36.760 --> 04:27:37.920
jim murez: Vicki.

1921
04:27:40.690 --> 04:27:41.640
Yes,

1922
04:27:42.460 --> 04:27:45.350
jim murez: Bruno. Yes, Sima.

1923
04:27:45.390 --> 04:27:46.369
Sima Kostov: Yeah.

1924
04:27:46.540 --> 04:27:47.680
jim murez: Nico.

1925
04:27:47.800 --> 04:27:48.830
Nico Ruderman: Yes,

1926
04:27:49.750 --> 04:27:51.820
Jason Sugars: Jason, No,

1927
04:27:53.090 --> 04:27:54.220
jim murez: Allie,

1928
04:27:57.210 --> 04:28:01.469
jim murez: I'll come back. Kai. Yes, Mike

1929
04:28:04.830 --> 04:28:05.910
jim murez: Mike,

1930
04:28:06.160 --> 04:28:08.979
Nico Ruderman: I think he left. I don't see him on

1931
04:28:09.050 --> 04:28:11.499
jim murez: um, Cj.

1932
04:28:11.680 --> 04:28:13.000
jim murez: Elizabeth.

1933
04:28:13.820 --> 04:28:14.960
Elizabeth: Yes,

1934
04:28:15.410 --> 04:28:17.359
robertthibodeau: Robert. Yes,

1935
04:28:17.600 --> 04:28:18.820
jim murez: Clark.

1936
04:28:21.250 --> 04:28:22.270
Michael Jensen: Yes,

1937
04:28:22.810 --> 04:28:24.980
Zack Best: Zachary. Yes,

1938
04:28:25.950 --> 04:28:28.150
jim murez: I will vote. Yes,

1939
04:28:29.290 --> 04:28:31.340
jim murez: um ally, Are you there,

1940
04:28:35.170 --> 04:28:37.070
jim murez: Mike Clark?

1941
04:28:37.770 --> 04:28:39.550
CJ Cole: How about Melissa?

1942
04:28:39.980 --> 04:28:41.660
jim murez: Melissa, Are you there?

1943
04:28:42.390 --> 04:28:43.330
melissa diner: Yeah.

1944
04:28:43.450 --> 04:28:53.399
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, wait! Let me log you in here. Hold on,

1945
04:29:02.040 --> 04:29:03.999
jim murez: Melissa. How did you about. Yes,

1946
04:29:04.710 --> 04:29:06.670
melissa diner: yes, thank you.

1947
04:29:06.890 --> 04:29:11.719
jim murez: Um. The motion carries fourteen one zero.

1948
04:29:12.360 --> 04:29:17.149
jim murez: Now, moving back up to Number Eighteen.

1949
04:29:21.440 --> 04:29:25.070
jim murez: Okay. So now the the Now, Therefore here

1950
04:29:25.230 --> 04:29:29.100
jim murez: is okay. This has to be changed. V. And C.

1951
04:29:29.860 --> 04:29:31.449
jim murez: Recommends,

1952
04:29:32.060 --> 04:29:36.310
jim murez: and I think I got all of the corrections made because it doesn't have an end.

1953
04:29:37.470 --> 04:29:39.090
jim murez: Um,

1954
04:29:40.030 --> 04:29:53.359
jim murez: Okay, do we need to Mikkel. Do you want to remake this and Vicki? Do you want to resend it

1955
04:29:53.500 --> 04:30:01.079
jim murez: want to re-second or somebody else?

1956
04:30:01.640 --> 04:30:13.450
Michael Jensen: When you say the recitals. What are you saying? Uh, the whereas is those are recitals?

1957
04:30:14.110 --> 04:30:22.839
Michael Jensen: Oh, no, sorry. The The last one is new, whereas Venice needs additional housing which can be met with a higher density. Residential oops

1958
04:30:22.930 --> 04:30:33.590
Michael Jensen: with higher density, Residential housing in mixed use, corridors which is incompatible with existing height, limits, and setbacks on Rose Avenue.

1959
04:30:33.600 --> 04:30:44.949
Michael Jensen: So now, therefore, uh Vnc recommends city planning Department incorporates following recommendations one increase the height limit from twenty-five thirty feet to thirty-five

1960
04:30:44.970 --> 04:31:01.599
Michael Jensen: and we're either ground for a second floor incorporates outdoor spaces with dining balcony and or gardens the height of forty-five feet to for mixed use. Projects reduce all setbacks for prime, reduce all setback requirements for residential use to be the same as commercial use.

1961
04:31:01.610 --> 04:31:19.249
Michael Jensen: Three increase density from R, three, one unit for one thousand two hundred square feet, existing density permitted by the then a specific plan to R. Four uh one unit per four hundred square feet and disregard lot size and with mid minimums due to sub standard lots.

1962
04:31:23.610 --> 04:31:24.770
jim murez: Okay,

1963
04:31:25.250 --> 04:31:30.009
jim murez: Um, let's take public comment before we do. I just want to clarify one thing.

1964
04:31:30.240 --> 04:31:31.320
jim murez: Um

1965
04:31:31.550 --> 04:31:41.149
jim murez: with the outdoor spaces where it says, with outdoor spaces, with dining balcony and or gardens.

1966
04:31:41.250 --> 04:31:42.180
Michael Jensen: Yes,

1967
04:31:42.750 --> 04:32:01.109
Michael Jensen: are those on the front of the building? Or could they be on the alley side

1968
04:32:01.170 --> 04:32:03.080
Michael Jensen: development of

1969
04:32:03.330 --> 04:32:05.559
Michael Jensen: an activated space,

1970
04:32:05.640 --> 04:32:08.220
Michael Jensen: you know, between the private and public

1971
04:32:08.350 --> 04:32:22.439
Michael Jensen: uh areas. And so to do that you would want to allow or encourage people to create, you know, ground for open air, dining um, and

1972
04:32:22.450 --> 04:32:32.270
Michael Jensen: by them doing that they would then qualify to essentially that space that they were sort of sharing with the public more uh would be

1973
04:32:32.450 --> 04:32:37.020
Michael Jensen: added on to the top of the building. So you get that that that that

1974
04:32:37.230 --> 04:32:53.059
Michael Jensen: ten foot height increase comes from. We're trying to sort of create a regulatory environment that encourages outdoor dining, and on the first or second, for you know, if it was residential

1975
04:32:53.140 --> 04:33:01.050
jim murez: open to the sky. Exactly. Okay. So after our outdoor, add in there, open to the sky.

1976
04:33:01.340 --> 04:33:20.430
jim murez: Well, no, because open to the sky would potentially prevent you from doing anything I I now open to the sky is not the And what about what about where we're talking about either ground, floor or second floor? Outdoor spaces. We need to have somehow to be able to reference that sentence

1977
04:33:20.439 --> 04:33:27.040
jim murez: back to the front of the property, back to the street frontage, to the facade, whatever we want to call it.

1978
04:33:27.090 --> 04:33:34.110
Michael Jensen: Well, you could say we're either ground for a second floor of the frontage incorporates.

1979
04:33:34.750 --> 04:33:36.380
jim murez: Okay. So

1980
04:33:36.970 --> 04:33:38.730
jim murez: of the

1981
04:33:40.759 --> 04:33:42.210
jim murez: frontage.

1982
04:33:42.790 --> 04:33:44.830
Michael Jensen: Well, yeah of uh

1983
04:33:45.849 --> 04:33:55.709
jim murez: oops. It should have been up. Yeah, you know what it's like, Mystic. One row of keys. What can I say?

1984
04:33:55.860 --> 04:33:56.900
jim murez: Okay,

1985
04:33:57.180 --> 04:34:10.780
jim murez: All right. So We just added that in there, so it makes it a little bit clearer that the only way they get the extra height is, if they have somehow created a open space on the

1986
04:34:11.040 --> 04:34:13.839
jim murez: second floor frontage,

1987
04:34:14.000 --> 04:34:19.039
Michael Jensen: which is sort of like this for the for the ground floor. It's it's to create.

1988
04:34:19.210 --> 04:34:20.310
jim murez: Yeah, yeah,

1989
04:34:20.430 --> 04:34:31.110
jim murez: okay. All your hand is up will come back to you after public comment.

1990
04:34:33.029 --> 04:34:34.180
jim murez: Thank you.

1991
04:34:34.650 --> 04:34:38.510
jim murez: Um. Daffodil, Do we have any public comment on this item?

1992
04:34:38.890 --> 04:34:41.140
Daffodil Tyminski: Um, we do.

1993
04:34:42.810 --> 04:34:44.560
Daffodil Tyminski: Oh, you like it. Go ahead.

1994
04:34:46.360 --> 04:34:53.809
Yolanda Gonzalez: Yeah. I want to congratulate the land use and planning committee for accomplishing this new

1995
04:34:54.110 --> 04:35:13.989
Yolanda Gonzalez: uh subject that's being brought up.

1996
04:35:17.080 --> 04:35:20.290
Daffodil Tyminski: Uh, thanks so much. Um, Erica, Go ahead.

1997
04:35:21.509 --> 04:35:22.480
Erica Moore: Hi.

1998
04:35:22.529 --> 04:35:37.480
Erica Moore: Okay. So you know, I have to say, I really wish we could hear you guys talk more about these topics before we make our comments, because after Daffodil shared what she did. Of course I absolutely think if people are being misrepresented,

1999
04:35:37.490 --> 04:35:44.280
Erica Moore: you know what something is, I think, that that that's for fine, and I think that it should be commercial from that. But I also

2000
04:35:44.419 --> 04:35:50.380
Erica Moore: do have concerns. Um, So i'm actually glad that you guys passed past that. But

2001
04:35:50.520 --> 04:35:59.099
Erica Moore: what I am concerned about, though, when you talk about heights or rooftop decks, or you know, seating areas is, there are residential people that live there, so

2002
04:35:59.270 --> 04:36:06.089
Erica Moore: do they truly understand how that could impact them. Possibly I don't know, because i'm not living there, but

2003
04:36:06.349 --> 04:36:16.230
Erica Moore: that is something that has to be considered, because when you know, when you have no privacy in your yard, all of a sudden, because the public gets you, and it's loud. It's noisy when you have commercial

2004
04:36:16.240 --> 04:36:34.129
Erica Moore: next to residential. So hopefully, there would be uh an understanding, and there would be a community coming together to create this so that it could work for everybody who's impacted. I think that to me is always the biggest concern that everybody work together so that it works for everybody, not just. It's

2005
04:36:34.140 --> 04:36:41.769
Erica Moore: great for the people who have. The restaurants are great for the residents. It needs to be a compromise, so everybody can can thrive.

2006
04:36:42.009 --> 04:36:43.120
Erica Moore: Thank you.

2007
04:36:43.919 --> 04:36:45.270
Daffodil Tyminski: Thanks, Erica.

2008
04:36:45.820 --> 04:36:48.360
Daffodil Tyminski: Um. With that, Jim. We're going to close public comment.

2009
04:36:49.880 --> 04:36:52.459
jim murez: Okay, Ally, You had your hand up.

2010
04:36:53.500 --> 04:37:09.629
alley bean: I'm: i'm sorry I had I had to work, so I didn't hear what Daffodil said that um Erica just was talking about my my worry about this motion. Um, Miguel is, or me. I i'm sorry I don't really

2011
04:37:09.640 --> 04:37:25.849
alley bean: on Rose Avenue. There's also like an enclave of some of the only left affordable housing in Venice. Um, there's a whole series of bungalows there that are have been r so and and extremely affordable,

2012
04:37:25.860 --> 04:37:36.090
alley bean: and they will, you know, if, if it's all made made commercial and mixed use. We're going to lose everybody's screaming about affordable housing, and then we tear down

2013
04:37:36.099 --> 04:37:50.670
alley bean: the affordable housing that we have, which I don't understand. So I think that that's a huge mistake to take that section where the residential is still on Rose Avenue, and to make it mixed use, because there that those all those buildings will be torn down,

2014
04:37:50.680 --> 04:37:59.640
alley bean: and and I don't. I think that's really unfair to the the affordable housing that we have left. That's my big worry about the that that one section of Rose Avenue

2015
04:37:59.650 --> 04:38:24.490
alley bean: Um, that still is affordable. I mean It's what they did on the board. Walk to me when they, you know, turned an R. So building into a hotel it's taking away so many very affordable units that we desperately need, because Venice is changing so much. We're kicking out all the the the people that can, you know, can't afford the huge market rate rents which they will, of course, become if they're a commercial corridor all the way up and down that. That's my biggest worry.

2016
04:38:24.500 --> 04:38:29.040
alley bean: So that's why I wanted to have it taken off the agenda so we could talk about it.

2017
04:38:30.919 --> 04:38:33.219
jim murez: Thank you. Um Vicki.

2018
04:38:34.689 --> 04:38:45.269
Vicki Halliday: Yes, just quickly. I like to have know a lot of the people who own, especially between um Hampton and third, and third and fourth

2019
04:38:45.529 --> 04:38:46.860
Vicki Halliday: Um!

2020
04:38:47.820 --> 04:38:51.429
Vicki Halliday: Those residents have all been affected greatly

2021
04:38:51.540 --> 04:38:54.580
Vicki Halliday: by the third straight encampment.

2022
04:38:54.710 --> 04:39:10.219
Vicki Halliday: Um! There were times when they had no tenants. They couldn't make changes. They couldn't live there. They couldn't sleep at night uh they could have rented the spaces downstairs for commercial. But oh, no, that wasn't allowed.

2023
04:39:10.480 --> 04:39:28.889
Vicki Halliday: So a lot of them have taken major hits because of the entire, the whole of the situation. I think that this is great. Let's go for it. Um. And you know as to the affordable housing. Hopefully, this will increase the affordable housing. Thank you.

2024
04:39:28.900 --> 04:39:30.580
Yeah,

2025
04:39:32.930 --> 04:39:35.490
yeah.

2026
04:39:40.960 --> 04:39:58.289
jim murez: Could Michelle address how it could increase the affordable housing, because I I don't understand how that could happen.

2027
04:39:58.300 --> 04:40:02.330
jim murez: Um, let me just see if there's any more hands raised. Were there any more hands raised.

2028
04:40:03.060 --> 04:40:19.839
Daffodil Tyminski: Actually, my hand was very sham. Somehow. I'm not seeing it. Okay, I believe you. Oh, yeah, there it is. Okay, Allie, You got to put your hand out, put all his hand down. I mean i'm sort of getting it Ally's point. But my understanding was that once you have affordable housing on a property.

2029
04:40:19.850 --> 04:40:33.379
Daffodil Tyminski: You can't remove affordable housing from that property. So the goal here is to allow these property owners to be able to exploit them as originally intended, as they were prior to this rezoning in the eighties,

2030
04:40:33.400 --> 04:40:50.019
Daffodil Tyminski: but they will still have to replace the affordable housing that are on those lots, and I I I don't know this is a question from Maccall, but I believe that's one of the reasons why they're asking for the height increase is so that they can

2031
04:40:50.240 --> 04:40:57.260
Daffodil Tyminski: actually return the properties to the original use, but also get affordable housing in there.

2032
04:40:57.600 --> 04:41:01.460
Daffodil Tyminski: Um, and i'm just curious. I'm not familiar with

2033
04:41:01.700 --> 04:41:10.489
Daffodil Tyminski: this the in point One, you say, increase the height limit to thirty five feet. We're either ground floor. Second floor incorporates outdoor spaces.

2034
04:41:10.580 --> 04:41:18.079
Daffodil Tyminski: You know that whole line. I'm not sure. What that means. Does that mean that there's an intention to create green space

2035
04:41:18.250 --> 04:41:25.489
Daffodil Tyminski: along that block, so that if the height is higher, it's going to be mitigated by having more outdoor space.

2036
04:41:25.700 --> 04:41:26.920
Daffodil Tyminski: Um,

2037
04:41:27.210 --> 04:41:32.599
Daffodil Tyminski: and um, I understand two and three, because they're just sort of playing with the code, which is,

2038
04:41:32.740 --> 04:41:35.109
Daffodil Tyminski: you know, artificially warped. But,

2039
04:41:35.690 --> 04:41:42.570
Daffodil Tyminski: Michelle, could you speak to one and speak to whether affordable housing needs to be replaced,

2040
04:41:42.990 --> 04:42:01.820
Michael Jensen: and Vicki is your hands still up, and i'll put my hand down. Sorry. Okay. Thank you, Mikkel. Your hand is up. Go ahead and respond to the Yeah. So I guess a couple of things on this. So I would think of this motion less about, uh restoring rights to specific blocks. Um!

2041
04:42:01.860 --> 04:42:09.829
Michael Jensen: And more about the future vision for the next, you know, for decades on,

2042
04:42:10.030 --> 04:42:26.389
Michael Jensen: You know, Rose, as a commercially uh your you know, oriented corridor that has residential with it, and really interact, you know, has residents there, interacting with local businesses that are right below them,

2043
04:42:26.400 --> 04:42:36.440
Michael Jensen: and that being really key to you know, getting people out of vehicles which I, you know Well, some of us may think is is important. Um! And

2044
04:42:36.570 --> 04:42:47.520
Michael Jensen: by the and this is sort of to tie into the question about the height limit on number one so the twenty-five, thirty feet is that's pitched versus flat roof.

2045
04:42:47.540 --> 04:42:49.649
Michael Jensen: Um, and

2046
04:42:49.970 --> 04:42:53.210
Michael Jensen: increasing that to

2047
04:42:53.670 --> 04:42:55.250
Michael Jensen: thirty-five

2048
04:42:55.360 --> 04:43:06.640
Michael Jensen: uh would just be what the height limit elsewhere is in Venice uh forty-five is obviously ten feet higher, and that's also

2049
04:43:06.650 --> 04:43:16.959
Michael Jensen: coincidentally what the vch building um that was built at seven twenty rows uh is but also by by pairing it with

2050
04:43:16.980 --> 04:43:29.769
Michael Jensen: outdoor spaces that are street facing it will create sort of I mean, I won't. Call it a setback, because it's it is face. That's part of the you know, part of the project, but it

2051
04:43:30.060 --> 04:43:47.279
Michael Jensen: it it's not like a wall on you know. The setback requirement for commercial generally is zero. So it's like you could build a brick wall right on the sidewalk line, and this is trying to create more of an opening so that you have people interacting,

2052
04:43:47.410 --> 04:43:50.010
Michael Jensen: you know, off the street with the

2053
04:43:50.070 --> 04:44:01.060
Michael Jensen: um commercial use on the ground floor. Um, or whatever it might be, might be there, whether it's a dining, or a you know garden or outdoor patio, or something like that.

2054
04:44:01.130 --> 04:44:06.299
Michael Jensen: Um, or if it's on the second floor and part of the residential use.

2055
04:44:06.660 --> 04:44:17.679
Michael Jensen: We're trying to encourage that by putting that space, that lost space up top higher, which will feel less high because it's sort of you know this.

2056
04:44:17.740 --> 04:44:20.760
Michael Jensen: The open space is, is a barrier between

2057
04:44:21.000 --> 04:44:25.849
Michael Jensen: between the building and and the sidewalk. Does that help make sense there?

2058
04:44:26.410 --> 04:44:27.550
Michael Jensen: Um!

2059
04:44:28.190 --> 04:44:31.829
Michael Jensen: So that's That's one thing in in terms of affordable housing.

2060
04:44:32.110 --> 04:44:45.699
Michael Jensen: Uh one of the I I think we have to stop thinking about our only pathway to affordable housing being preservation, because we've been doing that for about forty years, and it's not working uh we have to create.

2061
04:44:46.470 --> 04:45:00.559
Michael Jensen: I mean, R: so has has been around for how long? Well, Anyway, this is in an argument back and forth. I'm trying to respond to your comments. Um! Preservation alone will not get us out of the affordable housing problem. We have to create more housing.

2062
04:45:00.580 --> 04:45:19.310
Michael Jensen: One of the things in Venice that is standing in the way of that is already the zoning. So so Venice was down, zoned a a few times, but that has severely hampered the number of units you can build here. But on top of the down zoning we even have further within.

2063
04:45:19.320 --> 04:45:23.260
Michael Jensen: You know the various our zones

2064
04:45:23.330 --> 04:45:42.759
Michael Jensen: a lot minimum that prevents you from building even what's allowed in the rest of the city. So, like, you know, typically uh, I, and we have this specific discussion in our Loopec meeting, which Um: well, except for C. J. The other people asking where this came from did not attend. But we

2065
04:45:42.860 --> 04:45:48.889
Michael Jensen: Oh, sorry, Jim. Well, you're at every meeting uh, so I forgot that. Um!

2066
04:45:49.070 --> 04:46:06.040
Michael Jensen: But you can't build in Venice the same thing you could build elsewhere, because we've even gone below what the zoning uh minimums are. So you know where the rest of La would be. Maybe one unit for eight hundred square feet. Well, here it's one unit for twelve hundred,

2067
04:46:06.320 --> 04:46:23.280
Michael Jensen: and so all of the that really contributes to on affordability, because when the lot you know the property acquisition price is something. And so if you can only get two units out of that well, you're not going to make those those units are not going to be affordable.

2068
04:46:23.290 --> 04:46:41.900
Michael Jensen: I mean all of the coincidentally. A lot of those Rso properties that we are trying to preserve is affordable, were built under a zoning framework that you could never repeat now. So all of these buildings that are, you know some of them are, you know, forty some feet tall and have thirty units and zero parking.

2069
04:46:42.090 --> 04:46:45.000
Michael Jensen: You couldn't do that today. Um,

2070
04:46:45.120 --> 04:46:50.079
Michael Jensen: if you could I I the supply issue would be a lot different.

2071
04:46:50.110 --> 04:46:55.139
Michael Jensen: So I I just think that's we have to think sort of bigger big picture about

2072
04:46:55.330 --> 04:47:04.059
Michael Jensen: uh what this street is gonna look like. And also, if our goal is is really to create diversity and housing.

2073
04:47:04.320 --> 04:47:05.560
Michael Jensen: Uh,

2074
04:47:05.710 --> 04:47:11.520
Michael Jensen: what we need to do that it's it's It's putting a bunch of apartment buildings back.

2075
04:47:13.250 --> 04:47:19.450
jim murez: And so I just want to comment that. Uh, I don't know if the people that are

2076
04:47:20.230 --> 04:47:35.389
jim murez: asking about more affordable units realize that at present. Um, you really can't do more than a one thousand two hundred square foot unit in Venice, and and uh, the rest of the city in the same

2077
04:47:35.400 --> 04:47:54.880
jim murez: uh zoning conditions, you could do um an eight hundred, or perhaps even a four hundred square foot unit. And so, if we want to increase density, we want to make more affordable units. We have to get out of the concept of building mansions, and it becomes more affordable to the developer um to build

2078
04:47:55.600 --> 04:48:13.870
jim murez: four units, which are four hundred square feet rather than one unit, which is one thousand six hundred square feet. If they can get equal amount of rent out of the same kind of space, and I think that that's something that we have to continue to think about. And I think that one of the other things that we have to do is we have to take

2079
04:48:13.880 --> 04:48:18.309
jim murez: this same kind of thinking through to parking and transportation,

2080
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jim murez: because how many people are going to be living in a four hundred square foot unit. And do we really need to have two parking spaces per? And if we put three or more units on the lot. We really also have to include handicap parking.

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jim murez: So we have to look at. What are the parking requirements going to be as we continue to try and think about. How can we create more affordable units at a higher density in Venice without destroying the character of our community? And I think that what? This is addressing

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jim murez: um by by going from twenty-five uh with a flat roof. Excuse me, Yeah, with a flat roof to thirty feet, with a pitched roof to thirty-five feet um and forty-five feet. If they create a setback by creating one of these gardens or balconies or dining areas

2083
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jim murez: Um, in the front that that that is addressing the character and scale of the community, and at the same time allowing smaller units to be built.

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Michael Jensen: Um, I won just one final uh comment, Jim. Um, As we all know, the State is mandating. Local governments come up with

2085
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Michael Jensen: uh development standards to meet their arena numbers, and

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Michael Jensen: if if the local government doesn't do it, the State's going to do it for you. And so one of the things we have to be cognizant of is that you know, we have the potential to influence where we see

2087
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Michael Jensen: higher densities. Um. And if we want to concentrate them in places like commercial corridors to avoid,

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Michael Jensen: You know, having all of the you know, the the the single family neighborhoods uh be altered in a similar fashion. And so this is one way to get there. And um,

2089
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Michael Jensen: but I mean the State is going to make us

2090
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Michael Jensen: do something. And so

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Michael Jensen: um you know, we can't just uh delude ourselves into thinking that we we don't have to change anything in our entire town.

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Michael Jensen: That's it. Thanks. Thank you. Michelle. Um ally. Did you have one last quick statement

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alley bean: before we take a It's very quick. So I I understand everything that you guys are saying. I also don't. You know you talk about the the the community character. I don't see Rose Avenue as the same kind of commercial quarter that obviously Lincoln Boulevard is that Dennis Boulevard is These are big big boulevards. Rose is has a residential neighborhood. It's It's a thin street. It's got a lot of commercial on it, and that's sustainable. And is now

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alley bean: But if you live right behind, you know a forty-five foot building with a roof deck, and you're in one of those old little you know that's there's a lot of very little uh houses in that neighborhood. That is, it's got a tremendous amount of character in oakwood.

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alley bean: Um. I I don't agree with you. I think it's going to hugely change the character to have, for I don't know why I have to go forty, five feet. You don't anywhere else in Venice, and it's not a real commercial corridor. It's not. You know they're naming it one or you're trying to name it one. I don't find that the board walk which they're trying to say is a commercial car transportation court, or there's no transportation and rows aren't in the same categories. Lincoln put seventeen story buildings on Link, and there are there, you know. We've got that huge

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alley bean: area south of Washington that could be hugely tall and commercial, You know. We just have to find the pockets where we should add the density, and I don't agree that we need that kind of height

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alley bean: in a very charming old neighborhood like rose. I mean, I think the restaurants are great there now, and it's all working um, and I think you need to build some for sure apartment building. But I don't think they need to be huge and tall, and have roof decks. That's really rude to the people that live in a tiny bungalow right behind them.

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alley bean: It's you know. I don't live in that neighborhood, but I feel for the people that do.

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jim murez: Okay, Thank you, Ali: i'm going to put your hand down.

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jim murez: Okay, Um, let's take a vote.

2101
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jim murez: Daffodil. How do you vote?

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Daffodil Tyminski: Uh yes,

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melissa diner: um, Melissa. How do you vote? I vote? Yes,

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04:52:39.880 --> 04:52:41.420
jim murez: Jay, How do you vote.

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Vicki Halliday: Vicki. How do you vote,

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jim murez: Bruno? Yes,

2107
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jim murez: Sima Nico

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Jason Sugars: Jason. No,

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alley bean: Ali.

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Chie: Okay. I abstain

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jim murez: Mike

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jim murez: Cj.

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jim murez: Elizabeth.

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Elizabeth: Yes, Robert.

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robertthibodeau: Yes,

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jim murez: Clark

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jim murez: Michelle

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Michael Jensen: Yes,

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Zack Best: Zachary Yes,

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jim murez: and I vote Yes,

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jim murez: to J. Return,

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jim murez: or Mike or Clark, We're missing three of you.

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jim murez: Okay, Um. That motion carries eleven, three, one,

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jim murez: um, nineteen. We already did. I think we're done.

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Are we done? Did we miss anything?

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jim murez: Let me go back up to the top. Just I think we're done. But let me just double check

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robertthibodeau: comments, items not on the agenda.

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jim murez: Okay. So let me start the comments off.

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jim murez: I I briefly touched on it earlier.

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jim murez: We have a budget and an election plan

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jim murez: that at this point in time

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jim murez: are pretty much

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jim murez: moot, because

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jim murez: there's a couple of things we have to do.

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jim murez: We have to create a committee

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jim murez: that can run our elections,

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jim murez: and we have to modify the budget to reallocate the money from the general fund,

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jim murez: where we have eighty seven hundred dollars. We have to take forty five hundred dollars out and move it into the election budget.

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jim murez: We have to do that before the

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jim murez: uh City clerk's office will allow us to spend the money.

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jim murez: So

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jim murez: my thinking, and in talking to Jay

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jim murez: about how to best address this would be that

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jim murez: at this point we don't have any pressing items that i'm aware of for December.

2145
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jim murez: But we do have a lot of holidays coming up in December.

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jim murez: So the suggestion was made. Why, Don't. We not have a December meeting, and instead have a special meeting, either later this week or early next week, to address

2147
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jim murez: the items that

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jim murez: we have to address, to be able to start moving forward on the elections. And if there's any other committees that have submitted things since the deadline of this meeting,

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jim murez: we could also address those at the same time.

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jim murez: So before we can do that, I wanted to take a straw vote to see if

2151
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jim murez: the straw poll of some sort to see if people agreed that that was a good game plan. I sort of feel like we've never taken a month off um to to to. Uh, just relax for a moment, and

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jim murez: by the time we come back in January we would have plenty of committee things that we could then take on, and we would be starting off fresh

2153
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jim murez: along the course of our elections.

2154
04:56:21.890 --> 04:56:27.240
jim murez: So does anybody have any feeling about that? Or are you guys up for that. Does that make sense?

2155
04:56:28.000 --> 04:56:29.290
CJ Cole: Yes,

2156
04:56:29.940 --> 04:56:30.910
Zack Best: yeah,

2157
04:56:32.840 --> 04:56:34.199
Jason Sugars: fine with me,

2158
04:56:35.450 --> 04:56:38.880
CJ Cole: I would say. Do it the sooner than the possible.

2159
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jim murez: As soon as we could do it. It's a is a twenty-four hour meeting.

2160
04:56:43.930 --> 04:56:44.800
CJ Cole: Yeah,

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jim murez: so I wouldn't want to do it. Twenty-four hours from now. Because we couldn't start until eleven o'clock tomorrow, so we would do it the next day.

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melissa diner: So today I would do it like Monday or Tuesday of next week.

2163
04:57:00.470 --> 04:57:03.620
CJ Cole: Uh, I think you're getting too close to Thanksgiving.

2164
04:57:04.790 --> 04:57:12.309
melissa diner: Friday. I i'm. I'm. On a plane, so I can't. So with with with Thursday at six work,

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Sima Kostov: and are we in agreement that we would dismiss the December meeting,

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jim murez: but we have to have quorum. I think I heard Robert say Yes, I i'm not sure yet i'm not sure yet. I had no idea, because i'm just leaving the country on Saturday for two weeks.

2167
04:57:46.580 --> 04:57:48.450
jim murez: Kai says yes,

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jim murez: Jason says yes, Jason says yes, I think we have. We have a lot of Yes, is Zachary. Okay, Um.

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melissa diner: If we just don't like it, Let's just say we don't have this meeting or don't have quorum, and we don't approve all this stuff like what happens with our election? Does the city just have to handle it? I'm just curious, like

2170
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jim murez: if I I mean it wouldn't stop the candidates from being able to file. It would just be stopping us from being able to do any kind of budgetary stuff. We couldn't do any spending. We couldn't do any outrage.

2171
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jim murez: Um, I mean, we could do what normal outreach we do. We could send out a monthly newsletter, but we don't have any other funds to do anything more than that. So I guess you know, if we don't do it,

2172
04:58:44.710 --> 04:58:58.980
jim murez: that the in theory we could, you know, take it up in December again, or we could take it up in January, but by that time it's really getting past the point where we could put all of the pieces in motion, because the city still wants thirty days or something to

2173
04:58:59.100 --> 04:59:01.260
jim murez: you know, approved stuff. So

2174
04:59:02.970 --> 04:59:05.980
jim murez: it just keeps pushing everything back.

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Ivan: If you wait until January filing will be over.

2176
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jim murez: Yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you. I would really like us to do it on Thursday, if we can.

2177
04:59:27.260 --> 04:59:35.559
Vicki Halliday: Um, May I make it. Make a suggestion. If you're going to put other things on this agenda, please put this item on first.

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jim murez: Okay, those of us who then might have to leave. Okay, I'll have accomplished what you set out to accomplish, and that's a good question. Let me look at the Vnc's calendar. Is there anything else already. Yeah, Lupeck is on the calendar at seven.

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04:59:50.700 --> 04:59:53.910
Michael Jensen: No, we're uh, I'll take that off.

2180
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Daffodil Tyminski: Okay, Okay. And Jim, We had one or two things from neighborhoods that I thought we would just put on the December meeting. But if we're doing it this way, let me just see what's what, whether we have to do it now, or whether it can wait till January.

2181
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jim murez: Okay, Yeah. I mean, if they're not pressing issues, they could, You know, I think you talked about signage or something,

2182
05:00:15.510 --> 05:00:17.580
Daffodil Tyminski: a couple of things. Yeah,

2183
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jim murez: Okay. Um,

2184
05:00:21.820 --> 05:00:38.799
jim murez: I think that's what we'll do. We'll put this on. Now I have to still check. Ivan will do it offline whether or not we can create a committee without creating an ad an adcom committee. If we have to create an ad hoc ad com committee. We would have to do that just before

2185
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jim murez: the board being so, we would have to do that at like five, thirty on Thursday, and then six o'clock

2186
05:00:51.100 --> 05:00:52.300
jim murez: um

2187
05:00:53.210 --> 05:00:56.630
Ivan: for the Board meeting. Okay,

2188
05:00:58.070 --> 05:01:02.799
Nico Ruderman: what we have quorum for, Adcom. I guess the bigger question Will you be there?

2189
05:01:03.480 --> 05:01:12.590
jim murez: I'm a Maybe right now.

2190
05:01:13.220 --> 05:01:15.600
Daffodil Tyminski: On Thursday

2191
05:01:15.750 --> 05:01:31.099
melissa diner: you don't. You will have an ad come on Thursday and a meeting on Thursday. You don't need to have that long. I think you can do us do it like, you know, a join meeting, and it'll take five minutes to pass that, you know. I don't know Ivan. Are you allowed to have joint meetings,

2192
05:01:31.260 --> 05:01:34.230
Ivan: so we join the technically

2193
05:01:34.490 --> 05:01:48.719
Ivan: um. Add Con is a joint meeting with the board, but it then gets more complicated. Uh, I come first and have the the Board meeting directly after it.

2194
05:01:48.730 --> 05:01:57.549
melissa diner: But we have to post a time for both of them.

2195
05:01:58.180 --> 05:02:09.730
jim murez: Yeah, i'm not worried. I'm. I'll do that offline. I'm trying to understand. Is there any way of being able to post it as one meeting and do both things? Um,

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melissa diner: the different roll call from the uh. Yeah, but everyone can get on the same. Zoom link the first meeting and the second meeting starts. This has five minutes before i'll help you do it. It's like not complicated, you know. You don't need to like start one zoom and one zoom blah blah, blah

2197
05:02:30.820 --> 05:02:35.840
melissa diner: one zoom. The people will try them in when the Board meeting starts done, you know.

2198
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Ivan: Yeah, all right. I guess you could do that.

2199
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melissa diner: The same link is no big deal. It's it's not if we're going through all the same protocol. No one says we have to have two

2200
05:03:01.230 --> 05:03:19.140
melissa diner: zoom links, and we don't have to have two zoom links. But we have to post a start time for each of the meetings. Yeah, So I would just do it like as thirty minutes. It seems like excessive. I would just. I don't think it takes thirty minutes to to approve a mission statement for one item,

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CJ Cole: six o'clock and six fifteen

2202
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jim murez: alright, so why don't. Why don't we? Why don't we say that we'll start the Adcom meeting? Do we want to start it before six or or after six, six, six, six and six fifteen. I will. I will put that in my notes. We'll use the same zoom link for both of them.

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Cool

2204
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jim murez: and Ivan, I will talk to you about putting together the mission statement,

2205
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Ivan: and I have to talk to you about the lupit motion, so i'd i'd let them go tonight. We'll talk offline. This is Board officer. This is board, office or comments. Thank you. Do we have any other board office or comments, Jason, You have your hand up. Go ahead.

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Jason Sugars: Oh, the

2207
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Jason Sugars: thanks, everybody, For last Sunday I had a great birthday party on the beach with my little festival thing.

2208
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Jason Sugars: A lot of you guys are very super supported of it, of it and everything, and I and I appreciate it. I got some calls from everybody helping me uh put things together, and I was just saying thanks.

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jim murez: Oh, you're very welcome. I wish I could have actually done something

2210
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jim murez: Um!

2211
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jim murez: Anybody else.

2212
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jim murez: No other comments

2213
05:04:42.850 --> 05:04:45.580
Ivan: one quick one.

2214
05:04:45.630 --> 05:04:49.320
Ivan: Sure we have a new Presidential candidate.

2215
05:04:50.790 --> 05:04:54.789
Ivan: He filed during the meeting.

2216
05:04:56.180 --> 05:05:04.010
Ivan: Something fun. It's about running from Venice Neighborhood Council. There you go.

2217
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Ivan: Okay,

2218
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jim murez: Thank you all. It is late. It's just after eleven.

2219
05:05:11.310 --> 05:05:20.890
jim murez: Um, I'm gonna adjourn this meeting. The time is eleven o two. Thank you.

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Ivan: Ivan will talk tomorrow. Okay,