WEBVTT 1 00:00:32.049 --> 00:00:33.240 This 2 00:00:49.170 --> 00:00:50.190 she 3 00:00:55.500 --> 00:00:56.580 it's a 4 00:01:16.610 --> 00:01:17.710 it's 5 00:01:21.660 --> 00:01:24.900 jim murez: Robert. Do you want me to make you host or co-host 6 00:01:26.510 --> 00:01:30.290 robertthibodeau: Ah, does 7 00:01:30.300 --> 00:01:34.480 robertthibodeau: i've I've opened the agenda on my 8 00:01:34.810 --> 00:01:36.999 robertthibodeau: desktop. So 9 00:01:37.660 --> 00:01:42.760 robertthibodeau: theoretically, if I format my windows correctly here, which is what I was trying to do, I can. 10 00:01:44.090 --> 00:01:47.079 robertthibodeau: I can run the agenda at the same time 11 00:01:48.080 --> 00:01:49.610 robertthibodeau: and share 12 00:01:50.070 --> 00:01:55.510 robertthibodeau: it doesn't. It makes no difference to me as as host or co-host. You mean for the zoom meeting? 13 00:01:56.080 --> 00:01:59.920 jim murez: Yeah, the zoom meeting. Do you want to be the host or the co-host. 14 00:02:02.300 --> 00:02:14.260 robertthibodeau: Right now, i'm the host, I can make you co-host or I can make you co-host either way, whatever we normally do. Well, normally, it's but okay, that's fine. 15 00:02:16.620 --> 00:02:18.890 robertthibodeau: I think. Either way it works technically, 16 00:02:18.900 --> 00:02:22.589 robertthibodeau: you know, as long as I have the ability to share my screen. I can go road, roll through the agenda. 17 00:02:22.600 --> 00:02:26.269 robertthibodeau: Yeah, See real quick. If you can share your screen. I just set that setting. 18 00:02:27.160 --> 00:02:29.540 robertthibodeau: It would appear that I can. I've got the arrow. 19 00:02:30.700 --> 00:02:31.720 Yeah. 20 00:02:31.730 --> 00:02:32.840 robertthibodeau: So 21 00:02:34.540 --> 00:02:36.839 jim murez: they got the water pipe, but 22 00:02:37.020 --> 00:02:39.139 jim murez: sealed up, it looks like, 23 00:02:39.160 --> 00:02:42.489 robertthibodeau: at least yeah, that's sharing just fine. Okay, 24 00:02:42.500 --> 00:02:43.830 robertthibodeau: right there. 25 00:02:44.680 --> 00:02:46.940 robertthibodeau: A woman 26 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:56.099 robertthibodeau: now is the view of participants which you always gonna have to keep an eye on at the same time, You know there are multiple. 27 00:02:57.150 --> 00:03:06.190 robertthibodeau: So I haven't eaten anything. I'm gonna go see what my family wants to do about eating You're not starting yet for a few more minutes. I'll let you do your thing. 28 00:03:06.200 --> 00:03:17.089 robertthibodeau: I'll tell you i'll text you if there's an emergency, and and if you want me to help you with timekeeping for for public speaking or something, Let me know. And I have that stopwatch that I can put up on the stream 29 00:03:17.100 --> 00:03:17.990 robertthibodeau: Right? 30 00:03:18.000 --> 00:03:18.890 Oh, It's: 31 00:03:19.630 --> 00:03:21.290 jim murez: okay. 32 00:03:21.300 --> 00:03:26.790 robertthibodeau: Okay. I see. Eric Evan Kogan: Yeah, okay, He's got a scandal. 33 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:29.810 robertthibodeau: Okay, you'll promote him right? Just did. 34 00:03:30.250 --> 00:03:34.490 robertthibodeau: Yeah, I've done this a couple of times. I'm: not the fastest. But i'm actually not that bad. 35 00:03:34.500 --> 00:03:42.970 robertthibodeau: All right, all right. Nobody's giving you a hard time. No, I do have to do this for work, too, so it's not my first time to the zoom rodeo. 36 00:03:42.980 --> 00:03:46.490 robertthibodeau: All right. The only thing I didn't bring. Yeah, go ahead. Go eat your dinner. 37 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:48.120 jim murez: The only thing you didn't bring is what 38 00:03:48.290 --> 00:03:59.479 robertthibodeau: I usually have a printed copy of the of the agenda with me, which I forgot to bring home from my printer, which then allows me to 39 00:03:59.570 --> 00:04:10.150 robertthibodeau: handwritten notes on the agenda, because i'm not that fast with typing meeting notes. So you take a pad of paper, write down the agenda item number and make your notes 40 00:04:11.220 --> 00:04:13.350 robertthibodeau: got it. 41 00:04:13.540 --> 00:04:20.890 robertthibodeau: You'll go back, and you'll go back and fill it in tomorrow. You got, you know, time to post, and if you need to go back and listen to anything. It's being recorded, 42 00:04:20.899 --> 00:04:25.129 robertthibodeau: or i'll ask Kevin if he's faster than me at 43 00:04:25.530 --> 00:04:30.689 jim murez: just remember that your minutes should be extremely brief, because everything's being recorded. 44 00:04:30.700 --> 00:04:36.439 robertthibodeau: So all you really have to do is what was the motion, and what was the vote? 45 00:04:37.560 --> 00:04:44.419 Evan Corrigan: Everything everything else, all the discussion, and people's, opinions, and all that stuff. It's all on the report. 46 00:04:44.430 --> 00:04:49.890 Evan Corrigan: Right? Right? No, that's all I've been recording. Um. I could note that down to. 47 00:04:49.900 --> 00:05:06.170 Evan Corrigan: So do you want it? One of us should come into it. Do you want to commit to that, Evan and i'll commit to the I? I have the agenda open. Obviously you can see my window. I'll follow the agenda and lead that part of it if you can. Uh take the notes on the votes and the motions. 48 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:07.790 Evan Corrigan: Ah, sure 49 00:05:07.800 --> 00:05:10.789 Evan Corrigan: it's It's the Robert. If that's okay. Otherwise i'll do it. 50 00:05:10.800 --> 00:05:13.340 Evan Corrigan: I don't know that's fine. I was just gonna say uh 51 00:05:13.960 --> 00:05:23.089 Evan Corrigan: L. A. D. Or two is going to show their presentation first, so I guess we'll share that on your end. I made it possible for whoever needs to share with screens. 52 00:05:23.100 --> 00:05:25.590 robertthibodeau: Whoever's a panelist can share screens, 53 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:33.090 robertthibodeau: I should be able to promote them, Evan. To answer your question. I should be able to promote them to a panelist when the time comes and they should be able to share their screen. 54 00:05:33.100 --> 00:05:34.210 jim murez: There you go, 55 00:05:34.220 --> 00:05:39.090 Evan Corrigan: and there's probably going to be a lot of people right? So we're giving them a time limit 56 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:41.300 Evan Corrigan: minute. 57 00:05:41.310 --> 00:05:47.549 robertthibodeau: Yeah, I think you know. Let's see. Let's see how it goes. I mean, right now there's there's nobody here, so 58 00:05:47.760 --> 00:05:53.370 robertthibodeau: it's three minutes to seven. So although I see somebody showing up 59 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:56.690 robertthibodeau: aria 60 00:05:57.340 --> 00:06:01.480 robertthibodeau: Rahemian was she with? 61 00:06:02.670 --> 00:06:05.730 robertthibodeau: Was she with the led by any chance. 62 00:06:08.770 --> 00:06:10.509 robertthibodeau: A ry A. 63 00:06:12.390 --> 00:06:14.669 Evan Corrigan: It's right Somehow That sounds familiar. 64 00:06:20.620 --> 00:06:21.690 Evan Corrigan: I don't I don't I don't 65 00:06:24.740 --> 00:06:28.630 robertthibodeau: we actually need one more to where we don't have quorum. 66 00:06:33.310 --> 00:06:40.620 Evan Corrigan: No, I don't think so, James. And okay. Well, she might not. She might not be also 67 00:06:41.620 --> 00:06:51.900 robertthibodeau: a quick check here. Snow, I think Allison was going to be out of time. Not because I thought Selena was going to be here, and Clay was going to be here to you. 68 00:06:53.400 --> 00:06:54.439 I don't want it. 69 00:07:05.860 --> 00:07:08.250 robertthibodeau: It's gonna be embarrassing for your number, for 70 00:07:09.830 --> 00:07:11.630 Evan Corrigan: you want to send more 71 00:07:13.300 --> 00:07:14.400 Evan Corrigan: your chest. 72 00:07:15.160 --> 00:07:20.190 robertthibodeau: Well, I just did, but I don't have selena's home. You know I don't have your cell, I don't think, 73 00:07:20.990 --> 00:07:23.330 robertthibodeau: and she sent that to me a while ago. 74 00:07:23.650 --> 00:07:26.350 I'm not that You've said you've been on the Chats week. 75 00:07:27.340 --> 00:07:30.330 robertthibodeau: Another person 76 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:42.919 robertthibodeau: Maybe you could hop into your gmail real quick and and ping Selena. 77 00:07:42.930 --> 00:07:45.210 Evan Corrigan: I'll just thing uh 78 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:21.240 that 79 00:08:28.150 --> 00:08:29.330 president. 80 00:08:41.890 --> 00:08:42.950 No, it's 81 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:45.260 robertthibodeau: right 82 00:08:56.710 --> 00:08:57.910 what it is. 83 00:09:08.500 --> 00:09:09.540 It's the 84 00:09:16.930 --> 00:09:17.950 currently it's 85 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.539 robertthibodeau: so we have one on the way, 86 00:09:35.550 --> 00:09:43.620 robertthibodeau: and I just asked Jim to ping Selena if he's got her number, so 87 00:09:43.640 --> 00:09:54.710 robertthibodeau: the participants in the audience. We need another person to make a forum that is, seven hundred and one. So we are currently. Everybody. Sit tight for a second. All right. We've got one 88 00:09:54.880 --> 00:09:57.010 robertthibodeau: who is supposedly 89 00:09:57.030 --> 00:10:01.440 robertthibodeau: beyond In a second and a second one i'm trying to contact. So 90 00:10:01.630 --> 00:10:05.600 robertthibodeau: I think we all have to hang tight for a minute. 91 00:10:21.410 --> 00:10:25.809 robertthibodeau: Lupita, Are you going to be making the presentation for Dot? 92 00:10:26.270 --> 00:10:34.990 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): I'll be speaking to the community engagement aspect. And then Babek, who should be joining Sue? I can see Bobbeck is on. Okay, 93 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.190 Evan Corrigan: I was just checking who was going to do what? So it wasn't Wasn't: Exactly. Stick, 94 00:10:39.200 --> 00:10:43.850 robertthibodeau: and you guys are going to take plus or minus about fifteen for your 95 00:10:44.240 --> 00:11:03.339 robertthibodeau: for your. You're i'm gonna put you guys up at the front here so that you know, because your city employees try and get you guys going and juggle the agenda. So you guys can go first and then and then um. I was told by either you or the other female. I was communicating with 96 00:11:03.350 --> 00:11:11.780 robertthibodeau: that. You would accept some um community questions. We'll try and again keep that relatively under control, and relatively 97 00:11:11.810 --> 00:11:14.660 robertthibodeau: uh what do you call it. Um. 98 00:11:14.670 --> 00:11:17.090 robertthibodeau: You know we're trying to expedite it as much as we can, but 99 00:11:17.100 --> 00:11:23.220 robertthibodeau: you know, take to give a fair little run-through for people to who have concerns. 100 00:11:23.390 --> 00:11:31.480 robertthibodeau: I'm thinking the whole thing's maybe about thirty minutes from the get-go to maybe forty five at the outside 101 00:11:32.250 --> 00:11:33.760 robertthibodeau: doctors. That's okay. 102 00:11:33.780 --> 00:11:41.179 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Yeah, that works, and also add James Shahamiri will also be presenting he speaking to the Metro portion of the 103 00:11:41.270 --> 00:11:45.990 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): But Bobbeck Bobbick first, right? Yes, okay, 104 00:11:46.000 --> 00:11:48.300 robertthibodeau: and then so 105 00:11:48.400 --> 00:11:49.720 robertthibodeau: Okay, 106 00:11:49.730 --> 00:11:53.320 robertthibodeau: Um. We now have a quorum, 107 00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:56.030 robertthibodeau: because I see 108 00:12:01.290 --> 00:12:19.390 robertthibodeau: panelists. Okay. So with that it is now seven. Oh, three, Evan, You should write that one down in the notes We're calling this meeting to order for the Working and Transportation Committee of the Venice Neighborhood Council. It is September twelfth, 109 00:12:19.520 --> 00:12:26.969 robertthibodeau: and let's do the roll call is first, I believe, if I remember correctly. 110 00:12:27.690 --> 00:12:31.470 robertthibodeau: Um, so we have uh, 111 00:12:32.070 --> 00:12:33.280 robertthibodeau: Evan 112 00:12:33.420 --> 00:12:34.530 Evan Corrigan: here. 113 00:12:35.640 --> 00:12:40.660 robertthibodeau: Allison, I believe, is in New York, so I think she's not going to make this 114 00:12:40.700 --> 00:12:45.279 robertthibodeau: uh Jim is here, but stepped out for a second. 115 00:12:45.470 --> 00:12:47.909 robertthibodeau: Um, selena. 116 00:12:48.120 --> 00:12:49.450 Selena Inouye: I'm here, 117 00:12:49.560 --> 00:12:50.980 robertthibodeau: Elizabeth. 118 00:12:51.190 --> 00:12:52.250 elizabeth clay: Here 119 00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:56.239 robertthibodeau: Robert is here as well. Tibeto the 120 00:12:56.250 --> 00:12:57.690 robertthibodeau: and that's me. 121 00:12:57.920 --> 00:12:59.859 robertthibodeau: Okay, done with. 122 00:13:00.140 --> 00:13:02.340 robertthibodeau: We'll call call to order. 123 00:13:02.410 --> 00:13:18.100 robertthibodeau: Ah, we can skip number three, because, being new to the secretarial aspects of this, I am behind by two meetings on the meeting notes. Admittedly. I will try and get that together before the next meeting, and post all the meeting. 124 00:13:18.260 --> 00:13:19.870 robertthibodeau: Um, 125 00:13:20.630 --> 00:13:24.030 robertthibodeau: let me do the public comment. So 126 00:13:24.340 --> 00:13:33.309 robertthibodeau: we're gonna have the talk which I assume most people's here for the Venice Boulevard thing, or, frankly, for the 127 00:13:34.060 --> 00:13:36.169 robertthibodeau: for the 128 00:13:37.430 --> 00:13:55.370 robertthibodeau: Venice Boulevard. It's the other one that we were doing here. Oh, or the Rose app thing. So if your comments are are related to those, can you wait till the item comes up before you make your comments. So we don't have to do it all twice. If you have comments that are not related to those things 129 00:13:55.380 --> 00:14:02.449 robertthibodeau: you want to speak on a non-related item that has to do with transportation in the Venice community. The 130 00:14:02.530 --> 00:14:06.229 robertthibodeau: Um! Raise your hand, and I will, 131 00:14:06.550 --> 00:14:07.740 robertthibodeau: you know, 132 00:14:08.090 --> 00:14:14.279 robertthibodeau: scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, okay of the 133 00:14:14.830 --> 00:14:21.139 robertthibodeau: attendees. I'm not seeing a hand raised for 134 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:34.070 robertthibodeau: Ah, random public comment. So we're going to assume people are here for the things which is great, because that allows us to get right into it. So we're going to juggle this agenda tonight, which is 135 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:35.890 robertthibodeau: Committee Chairs 136 00:14:36.090 --> 00:14:39.780 robertthibodeau: prerogative so that we can take the 137 00:14:40.400 --> 00:14:46.179 robertthibodeau: the Venice Boulevard first, because that has city dot 138 00:14:46.230 --> 00:14:58.489 robertthibodeau: ah employees here, and out of respect for them and appreciation that they showed up for this community outreach. I want to get them done, and moving on with their lives. 139 00:14:58.500 --> 00:15:02.319 robertthibodeau: So without further ado, I believe 140 00:15:02.440 --> 00:15:14.060 robertthibodeau: we have a bobbeck from Led Ot. Who is going to make a presentation. So, Bobbeck, I'm. Going to promote you to a panelist, so you will be allowed to share your screen. 141 00:15:14.120 --> 00:15:15.560 robertthibodeau: Okay, 142 00:15:15.740 --> 00:15:18.079 robertthibodeau: there you go. 143 00:15:18.160 --> 00:15:20.589 robertthibodeau: I'm. Assuming you can speak also. 144 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:28.290 robertthibodeau: See if I did that. Right 145 00:15:28.300 --> 00:15:32.260 Babak - LADOT: you are on, hey? Can everybody hear me? 146 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:37.440 robertthibodeau: I I know I can. I can. Everybody else is good here. 147 00:15:37.530 --> 00:15:39.110 Babak - LADOT: Okay, great. 148 00:15:39.120 --> 00:15:50.770 Babak - LADOT: Ah, i'm gonna i'm having some streaming issues. So i'm gonna actually keep my video off. But i'm here, and I can present and let me share my screen. 149 00:15:50.780 --> 00:15:59.750 Babak - LADOT: Um, and we get kind of into it. Um, so thanks, everybody for joining us. Let me. Just make sure I can share my screen. 150 00:16:03.290 --> 00:16:08.519 Babak - LADOT: Can you see My, Can you see my screen? 151 00:16:08.530 --> 00:16:10.690 robertthibodeau: I'm gonna go with no on that. One 152 00:16:12.120 --> 00:16:13.440 second 153 00:16:14.440 --> 00:16:15.669 Babak - LADOT: can't see my screen. 154 00:16:16.100 --> 00:16:18.989 robertthibodeau: We cannot see your screen. Did you turn? 155 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:19.820 Okay? 156 00:16:20.240 --> 00:16:22.890 Babak - LADOT: It says I'm screen share. 157 00:16:22.900 --> 00:16:30.509 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): I clipped on view options and then clicked on Robec led. I think there's two screens that are currently being shared. 158 00:16:30.780 --> 00:16:34.290 robertthibodeau: Okay, let's see if I can 159 00:16:34.300 --> 00:16:36.760 robertthibodeau: cancel my screen share somehow. 160 00:16:40.780 --> 00:16:41.920 robertthibodeau: It's this, 161 00:16:49.430 --> 00:16:53.790 robertthibodeau: you know. If you manage participants. 162 00:16:54.900 --> 00:16:56.890 robertthibodeau: They are losing games. 163 00:16:56.900 --> 00:17:06.300 robertthibodeau: Remote control apps more. Stop video participants and you share. Right? Stop sharing. How's that? 164 00:17:06.380 --> 00:17:09.349 robertthibodeau: He nailed it? Thanks. 165 00:17:09.829 --> 00:17:11.690 Babak - LADOT: All right. Can you see my screen now. 166 00:17:11.700 --> 00:17:13.089 Babak - LADOT: Yes, okay. 167 00:17:13.099 --> 00:17:18.160 Babak - LADOT: Sorry for this. It says No, it's all good. It says a Venice Boulevard Safety and Mobility project. 168 00:17:18.300 --> 00:17:34.490 Babak - LADOT: Yes, it does. Okay, great. All right. Well, good evening, everyone, and thank you for inviting us tonight to the Palestinian Road Council. Ah, i'm going to be. My name is Bob Akh Dorji, and I am an active transportation planner with the 169 00:17:34.500 --> 00:17:49.709 Babak - LADOT: Los Angeles Department of Transportation, and I'll be presenting on the Venice Boulevard Safety and mobility project work, and I just want to thank everybody for giving us time to present tonight about the proposed improvements to the core. 170 00:17:49.720 --> 00:17:53.920 Babak - LADOT: So here is the 171 00:17:53.930 --> 00:18:11.280 Babak - LADOT: agenda, for as a presentation. We're going through the objectives a bit about project background project overview. Then i'm going through existing conditions uh potential improvements and project timeline and some community engagement updates. Now i'll run up to questions and answers. 172 00:18:11.290 --> 00:18:29.890 Babak - LADOT: So the meeting objectives are: Why, Venice? Why, now, and we'll get a little bit into that i'm going to introduce that those design share information about the process that we've been on. Ah answer questions and collect feedback about the proposed design priorities and sticking points. 173 00:18:29.900 --> 00:18:46.509 Babak - LADOT: So Um: So yeah, So i'll get into the project background. So, as you can see through the years, and this bulb has been included in a number of Ledot and Metro studies, and has been identified for high quality, active transportation, and transit improvements. 174 00:18:46.520 --> 00:18:57.699 Babak - LADOT: A portion of Venice boulevard and palms was repaved in two thousand and twenty, which spurred community discussions about how to best balance the needs of all roadway users on best 175 00:18:58.310 --> 00:19:05.190 Babak - LADOT: time. A street is repaid and needs to be restricted. We have an opportunity to make improvements and strike the best design possible. We 176 00:19:05.200 --> 00:19:19.370 Babak - LADOT: and so L. A dot got to work and partnered with Metro to develop a proposed project that aims to balance all the competing needs and priorities Together we worked with the Neighborhood Council in that area to identify the right community members to engage for feedback 177 00:19:19.460 --> 00:19:36.310 Babak - LADOT: um as streets. Ah! A partner! Ah! The the department at the city of L. A. That works on resurfacing streets continues to add additional sections, events to be repaved by the work plan for twenty, two, twenty, three. We have an opportunity to extend the project area and expand these requirements. 178 00:19:36.590 --> 00:19:44.590 Babak - LADOT: In July we began engaging community members in the larger project area, and we are continuing to gather input on the full project scope. 179 00:19:44.600 --> 00:19:46.889 Babak - LADOT: So. Um 180 00:19:47.230 --> 00:19:59.190 Babak - LADOT: So why Bennett? So Venice Boulevard, as you all know, is one of the Los Angeles's most iconic and historic boulevards connecting the beach to downtown and the West Side neighborhoods along the way, and 181 00:19:59.200 --> 00:20:13.089 Babak - LADOT: tennis full of our revised residents access to neighborhood destinations in our mysta palms and courses and connections to regional transportations, such as a four hundred and five freeway and a Metro Eline at the Culver City station. 182 00:20:13.100 --> 00:20:20.699 Babak - LADOT: Nearly forty seven thousand people live within a five minute walk of a project with even more people traveling to the core of our for 183 00:20:20.790 --> 00:20:22.230 work and entertainment. 184 00:20:22.450 --> 00:20:31.649 Babak - LADOT: The Metro line, thirty, three bus runs the length of the corridor, providing all day frequent service, traveling west to Santa Monica and east of downtown. 185 00:20:34.000 --> 00:20:38.840 Babak - LADOT: There's a some background noise. Can somebody put themselves on you on me. 186 00:20:39.100 --> 00:20:48.999 Babak - LADOT: Thanks. Um. Newer Mobility services like La now, and Metro Bakshire provide flexible on demand mobility to destinations throughout the project area. 187 00:20:49.300 --> 00:20:56.529 Babak - LADOT: Unfortunately, Venice boulevard also sees a disproportion and number of traffic collisions. The street is part of the city's high injury network, 188 00:20:56.540 --> 00:21:09.810 Babak - LADOT: and people who are walking and biking are more vulnerable to severe crashes. Upgrading Venice Boulevard will provide a safer access to neighborhood destinations by walking and biking well-proving connections to the region's growing trans networks 189 00:21:09.850 --> 00:21:20.290 Babak - LADOT: And so these are kind of some of the goals and opportunities that we see with the potential project improving traffic, safety by reducing fatalities and severe injuries, 190 00:21:20.490 --> 00:21:29.449 Babak - LADOT: enhancing access to jobs, social services, transit and community resources, providing greater mobility options for people to get around. 191 00:21:29.460 --> 00:21:40.949 Babak - LADOT: Ah, we're also looking at ah, improving bus reliability and travel lines and increasing access to the Metro. Ah, the Metro Eline station to then connecting to the greater Metro station. 192 00:21:41.140 --> 00:21:43.639 Babak - LADOT: So let me go through the project 193 00:21:43.650 --> 00:21:44.760 Babak - LADOT: overview. 194 00:21:44.770 --> 00:21:49.340 Babak - LADOT: This is the project area. It's about a four and a half mile. Stretch 195 00:21:49.410 --> 00:21:53.799 Babak - LADOT: Lincoln Boulevard to National Boulevard. 196 00:21:53.870 --> 00:21:59.339 Babak - LADOT: As I said before, there's about forty seven thousand people to live within a five minute 197 00:21:59.350 --> 00:22:01.489 Babak - LADOT: stretch within a five minute walk of this project. 198 00:22:01.500 --> 00:22:02.420 There you 199 00:22:02.430 --> 00:22:12.070 Babak - LADOT: about fifty. Five percent of all of those trips are under three miles. There are thirty six schools that are within five minute walk. 200 00:22:12.700 --> 00:22:22.579 Babak - LADOT: Eight percent of workers commute by bus, and four percent of households do not have access to a car, and with a metro bus thirty, three runs along the length of the corridor 201 00:22:22.850 --> 00:22:31.690 Babak - LADOT: and nearby Metro Eline Station itself to increase transportation options in the area. Unfortunately, traffic collisions remain high on Venice Boulevard in its current condition, 202 00:22:31.700 --> 00:22:40.560 Babak - LADOT: upgrading uh Venice Boulevard to better support people walking biking and writing transit will help to create a safer and more local community thoroughfare. 203 00:22:40.770 --> 00:22:45.030 Babak - LADOT: So this kind of just this map kind of just shows Lincoln Boulevard 204 00:22:45.100 --> 00:23:04.949 Babak - LADOT: to base element with the proposed protective bike lines. We wouldn't be touching the great street portion that's between Beethoven and Inglewood, and then a proposal is a a bus-only line that would run from Aimblewood Boulevard to Culver, 205 00:23:04.960 --> 00:23:17.560 Babak - LADOT: and then there would be this would lead to a protected bike lane that would run from Lincoln all the way to National, and then it would further extend east towards Los Angeles and Fairfax. 206 00:23:17.570 --> 00:23:25.660 Babak - LADOT: I'm. Creating a really great east-west bicycle corridor and transfer improvements within the the vest boulevard corridor. 207 00:23:25.840 --> 00:23:33.020 Babak - LADOT: So this image is just kind of showing some of the existing bike wise and transit routes in the project area. 208 00:23:33.670 --> 00:23:45.500 Babak - LADOT: And What really drums out is that even though there's a number of existing bike infrastructure and bus rates serving the area. Venice Boulevard really is the main option for people biking or taking buses to travel across town. 209 00:23:45.610 --> 00:23:51.030 Babak - LADOT: So let me get a little bit into the existing conditions along Venice Boulevard. 210 00:23:51.070 --> 00:24:04.130 Babak - LADOT: Um. So this is what it looks like today. There are three line of traffic, the center Median bike lane, and parking at the curve. The street is wide and creates a thoroughfare. But also is this sort of a barrier between neighborhoods. 211 00:24:05.380 --> 00:24:14.970 Babak - LADOT: So traffic safety is the top priority of led ot, and we heard we've heard through our community outreach that improving traffic safety is very important. 212 00:24:14.980 --> 00:24:29.349 Babak - LADOT: Venice is on the high injury network, which means it experiences a disproportionate amount of severe and fatal crashes, and people are speeding on the street. The current speed limit proportions of it is thirty, five and other portions is forty, 213 00:24:29.390 --> 00:24:44.720 Babak - LADOT: and we are working towards Ah, reducing that speed of it, as well as you can see within the map. Within the last ten years there's been about one thousand two hundred collisions along Venice in the project corridor, and a quarter of those people. 214 00:24:44.730 --> 00:24:55.229 Babak - LADOT: A quarter of those collisions involved, people walking or riding a bike, and fifty eight people were killed, or severely injured than that ten-year period. 215 00:24:55.700 --> 00:25:00.890 Babak - LADOT: Again, I talked earlier about the vision Zero, 216 00:25:02.120 --> 00:25:03.540 Babak - LADOT: high injury, network 217 00:25:03.870 --> 00:25:23.780 Babak - LADOT: and kind of putting in context, um is that it's more or less safe from the streets around it. And so the the hybrid network is a network of streets within the city, where six percent it accounts for six percent of the city streets, but it total of about seventy percent of deaths and severe increase for people 218 00:25:23.790 --> 00:25:26.270 Babak - LADOT: uh for people moving around. 219 00:25:27.470 --> 00:25:34.560 Babak - LADOT: And Now i'm going to hand it over to James to speak about 220 00:25:34.820 --> 00:25:38.450 Babak - LADOT: Metro, the the to the transit portion of this project, 221 00:25:38.560 --> 00:25:42.099 Babak - LADOT: James, are you? Does James have access to speak, 222 00:25:43.820 --> 00:25:46.470 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): and that should be James Shahamiri. 223 00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.800 Babak - LADOT: I'm. I'm doing it right now. Give me one second, Thank you, 224 00:25:50.810 --> 00:25:54.450 robertthibodeau: James, and you have been promoted to a panelist 225 00:25:54.530 --> 00:26:04.890 Babak - LADOT: which should allow you um, Bobbeck, just because of what just happened with me. You may have to stop sharing your screen so that he can share his screen. He's not going to be sharing his screen. He's just gonna 226 00:26:04.900 --> 00:26:09.989 Babak - LADOT: Ah, I I'll be presenting my screen stuff. Very good. Okay. Just try to help. 227 00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:11.299 Babak - LADOT: Yeah, Thank you, though. 228 00:26:12.070 --> 00:26:32.480 James Shahamiri: Good evening, and thank you. This is James Jacomeri. I'm a transportation engineer with La Metro. So just as we go through tonight's presentation a little bit of information about transit users along Venice every year. Metro conducts Daniel on board Rider Survey for line thirty three glass conducted in fall, two thousand and nineteen 229 00:26:32.490 --> 00:26:50.390 James Shahamiri: uh ninety-three percent of our riders are people of color. Eighty-four percent of our riders are in households, making less than fifty thousand dollars per year. Eighty two percent of our riders do not own a car, and they rely on bus service, and ninety eight percent of riders take Metro several times a year. 230 00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.289 James Shahamiri: Next slide we have zero. 231 00:26:52.300 --> 00:26:53.230 We don't think that's true. 232 00:26:54.360 --> 00:27:01.689 robertthibodeau: So in terms of total ridership uh so for the entirety of line thirty, three, which goes from Santa Monica to downtown. 233 00:27:01.700 --> 00:27:29.509 robertthibodeau: Ah, there's about nineteen and a half thousand daily week day links for the entirety of the line. And in the project area that we're going to be discussing tonight for the proposed bus lanes. You know Wood and Culver. We have about eight thousand riders getting on and off at these bus stops. This graphic on the right kind of shows the scale of the the rider activity in. So it's very well and utilized transit service, and a lot of people are using this area 234 00:27:29.520 --> 00:27:32.140 robertthibodeau: and next slide. 235 00:27:32.150 --> 00:27:58.900 robertthibodeau: So why bus lanes, you know, we like to show this live just in terms of how many we can move on a street when we're moving people, and I've shared automobiles. I can go up to about one thousand six hundred per hour; but when you put buses in their own bus only landing, you can go up to theoretically eight thousand miles per hour, and that's without binding the road, or doing any sort of heavy construction. This is all accomplished through just striping a bus plane and putting it 236 00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:01.490 James Shahamiri: next slide. 237 00:28:01.620 --> 00:28:05.679 James Shahamiri: So we'll talk about some potential improvements next slide, 238 00:28:05.910 --> 00:28:07.420 sending her 239 00:28:07.430 --> 00:28:35.599 James Shahamiri: so as Blobach was talking about the the state of the current bike lanes. Ah! The project is proposing the Parker objective by claim which exists on that group's portion of Venice. Today they have a ninety, four percent crash reduction factor. So a big safety improvement for people bicycling for people walking. The project is proposing high visibility. Continental crosswalks, as well as traffic signal features, such as a meeting, pedestrian interval which gives 240 00:28:35.610 --> 00:28:50.469 James Shahamiri: people crossing a head start over over traffic. And then also, the project is proposing green treatments along those those partner protected bike ways to to highlight the conflict areas where for drivers and people cycling maintenance 241 00:28:50.490 --> 00:28:51.670 James Shahamiri: next slide. 242 00:28:52.680 --> 00:29:04.529 James Shahamiri: So in terms of the bustling components, this is a video of our flowers, Re. Bus Lane. This was installed back in two thousand and nineteen, we did an evaluation. We found that bus speeds improved by fifteen percent. 243 00:29:04.540 --> 00:29:14.189 James Shahamiri: And more importantly, when we talk to customers they thought the time savings was a bit greater, so that perception of getting through the court, or quickly, efficiently, was really important to people 244 00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:18.050 James Shahamiri: for this project. The proposed bus lanes between 245 00:29:18.210 --> 00:29:31.140 James Shahamiri: Inglewood and Culver. We're anticipating a three minute time savings for direction, which is a you know, in terms of people, minutes of delay getting the number of people on the bus that's saving a lot of people a lot of time 246 00:29:31.150 --> 00:29:44.790 James Shahamiri: and just overall in terms of Metro's next Gen. Bus plan where we're installing these types of treatments along our system, we're expecting a fifty to twenty percent ridership increase system-wide as we roll these improvements up 247 00:29:45.340 --> 00:29:46.470 James Shahamiri: next slide 248 00:29:48.040 --> 00:30:00.839 Babak - LADOT: i'll hand it back to Bob. App. Thank you. Cool. Thank you, James Robert. Would you be able to, as I'm. Continuing, Could you upgrade Pamela Lee to panelists as well, please. 249 00:30:04.020 --> 00:30:12.089 Babak - LADOT: I'm sure if you're saying something. But yeah, that's Pamela. If you could, if you could upgrade her to panelists, please done Thank you so much. 250 00:30:12.100 --> 00:30:31.800 Babak - LADOT: Okay, so. Um. So i'll. I'll continue. So here is what the ah, the corridor looks like today. There are three lines of traffic. There's a center Median bike plane and parking at the curve. The street is wide and creates a thoroughfare. It also acts as a barrier between the neighborhoods, and 251 00:30:31.810 --> 00:30:43.950 Babak - LADOT: And so again, we wanted to come up with a design option to balance the people, the balanced, the needs of everyone that that use the streets of people driving, parking, walking, 252 00:30:43.960 --> 00:31:02.059 Babak - LADOT: biking, and we wanted to make sure one that is feasible within the existing geometry of the street. And so the the top one is the existing configuration, the link into Beethoven stretch, which is a stretch that falls within the East. Now the one that falls within the Venice type of Council boundary. 253 00:31:02.070 --> 00:31:21.430 Babak - LADOT: Um would be two travel lines, a parking lane and a parking protected High school In the Inglewood culprit section would be two travel lanes, a bus on the lane parking line, and then a parking protected Bike Lane, and then the Culver to National section would be three travel lanes, 254 00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:25.799 Babak - LADOT: a parking lane, and then a parking protected 255 00:31:27.190 --> 00:31:28.240 Babak - LADOT: pipeline. 256 00:31:28.250 --> 00:31:39.280 Babak - LADOT: And so in terms of trade-offs. So for the parking and protected bicycling, it protects bicycles for moving traffic 257 00:31:39.470 --> 00:31:56.049 Babak - LADOT: um it offers the pedestrians from moving traffic by adding an additional Park Lane. It reduces the vehicle, lanes, pedestrians must cross as they're crossing the street. It creates additional traffic calming and safety benefits for those along the street, 258 00:31:56.060 --> 00:32:15.790 Babak - LADOT: and it maintains parking and loading. Ah! For businesses along the corridor. Ah! In terms of some of the trade offs. There would be some increase to travel time for vehicles and transit service, and there would be minimal loss of parking that would be due to visibility at driveways. 259 00:32:15.800 --> 00:32:35.470 Babak - LADOT: It would we estimate from the calculations that we've done. It would be about one to two parking spaces per block, and that would be a driveways not kind of show what that looks like in terms of the trade-off it would be for the bike and bus land section It would be almost the same. 260 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:55.310 Babak - LADOT: The same benefits, except it would also improve travel time for transit users, and then, in terms of cost, it would be a bit of an increase for travel, time for vehicles, and that would be um only at the Ppp, and then it would be similar to 261 00:32:55.320 --> 00:32:59.130 Babak - LADOT: removal, minimal parking removal at driveways. 262 00:32:59.360 --> 00:33:17.880 Babak - LADOT: So let me get. I'll show again the the map of what the proposed improvement looks like by Project Section I'm. Getting to Beethoven, and then Inglewood to Culver with the bus only land, and then throughout the whole stretch it would be partly protected 263 00:33:17.890 --> 00:33:19.710 Babak - LADOT: uh pipeline. 264 00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:25.370 Babak - LADOT: So this is a concept rendering it doesn't capture all the technical details, but it presents 265 00:33:25.410 --> 00:33:30.699 Babak - LADOT: idea of what this project would look like within the Lincoln to Beethoven stretch. 266 00:33:30.710 --> 00:33:39.289 Babak - LADOT: And then this is a rendering showing the bus only lane in between 267 00:33:39.860 --> 00:33:48.589 Babak - LADOT: Inglewood to cover. And so, in terms of the proposed improvements, How do protected bike lines work? 268 00:33:48.780 --> 00:33:50.150 Babak - LADOT: Um. 269 00:33:50.330 --> 00:33:55.170 Many people are probably familiar with with how protected bike Lanes work, since you already have them in many parts 270 00:33:55.180 --> 00:34:06.979 Babak - LADOT: of La and Ucm. On, and the Marvis sections. And there's some type of vertical posts or protection, and where the partner entertain the the parking, be able to also provide a barrier between moving traffic. 271 00:34:06.990 --> 00:34:19.710 Babak - LADOT: And so there is a benefit to people who are walking because they get a slower street, and being further away from moving vehicles, People on bikes, skateboards, and scooters are physically separated from moving vehicles. 272 00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:27.549 Babak - LADOT: People driving tend to slow down because the roadway appears narrower and better organized, so it kind of benefits everybody. 273 00:34:27.560 --> 00:34:47.049 Babak - LADOT: Um! When I was talking about earlier earlier about the trade off with parking. There would have to be a little bit of a parking removal at driveways, and that's to help with safety and visibility at driveways, and so that would be about twenty feet prior to the 274 00:34:47.889 --> 00:35:00.480 Babak - LADOT: the driveway. Usually we already have, you know, some red curve prior to the driveway, and that's supposed to help with visibility. So as cars enter into the driveway, they are able to see. Ah! By supplies that are there as well. 275 00:35:00.780 --> 00:35:09.800 Babak - LADOT: And then again, as they are exiting, there would be a little bit of red curve, so that it's so. They have visibility to to exit as well. 276 00:35:13.040 --> 00:35:26.110 Babak - LADOT: Um, now. Ah, i'll talk a little bit about the project schedule, So we're doing. We've done a lot of fulinary engineering data collection and analysis. We've been in a pretty thorough 277 00:35:26.120 --> 00:35:33.430 Babak - LADOT: I've done a very thorough engagement community engagement, and i'm going to pass it over to L. Peter to talk about that in a second. 278 00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:39.350 Babak - LADOT: But we've been doing that for the last three months, and we are going to continue to do that 279 00:35:39.530 --> 00:35:41.450 Babak - LADOT: and um 280 00:35:41.590 --> 00:35:42.700 Babak - LADOT: we 281 00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:59.150 Babak - LADOT: Ah, we're looking to make a decision at some point by the end of September Again, I just want to stress enough that this is not baked in. This is not settled. This is a proposed project, and we are continuing to hear community feedback. 282 00:35:59.180 --> 00:36:05.140 Babak - LADOT: And so you know, based on how it moves forward. 283 00:36:05.200 --> 00:36:12.880 Babak - LADOT: We would do final design in October, November, and then potentially start doing implementation in November. 284 00:36:13.060 --> 00:36:19.030 Babak - LADOT: So Yeah. So now i'll pass it over to Pizza, who will discuss the community engagement 285 00:36:19.730 --> 00:36:20.920 Babak - LADOT: that we've done 286 00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:28.150 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Great thanks, Robert. Hi! Everyone, and this will be the I'm. A transportation planner with led to our next slide. 287 00:36:30.550 --> 00:36:37.139 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Great, So i'll just talk about some of the activities and strategies you've been using as part of this outreach 288 00:36:37.940 --> 00:36:53.909 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): for the project. So first we we started off in July, as the time I mentioned we are in the midst of engagement. We will be conducting engagement through the end of September, and there are various pieces for feedback, both for an and upcoming. 289 00:36:53.920 --> 00:37:10.169 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): So we conducted community briefings in the beginning, starting in July, I should say, and that includes prevailable community stakeholders, such as schools, faith, organizations, and nonprofits. We also launched the Community Survey towards the end of July, and had received a thousands of responses. So far 290 00:37:10.180 --> 00:37:16.820 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): it'll remain open through the end of September. So we'll add that link at the end to see if you can take it if you have not already. 291 00:37:17.060 --> 00:37:33.380 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): We also launched an online feedback map in July. This is a place where you can add specific location feedback along the corridor habit. And then, additionally, as some of the photos show. We've been chemisting and tabling along the school of our sharing information for businesses and stakeholders. 292 00:37:33.390 --> 00:37:52.259 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): We have canvassed over one hundred businesses so far and have been tabling at different locations along the boulevard, such as grocery stores as seeing the photos, and at bus stops. Metro also launched a bus writer's survey the week of August, fifteenth, for Metro line thirty three writers, and received over one hundred responses as well. 293 00:37:52.360 --> 00:38:15.439 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Ah! In terms of community meetings we've presented with various neighborhood councils, such as palms or vista. We here today. We've also met with the Venice Chamber recently. So we're still. Ah, also continuing that strategy forward. And we've also started to gather testimonials and stories from folks who live and travel through the project area next slide. 294 00:38:19.470 --> 00:38:21.240 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Um, So 295 00:38:21.720 --> 00:38:45.469 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): we've also participated in Canadians, such as Ah, farmers markets, um and community, that activities such as the Palm State Council, Walkthon. We've also employed a variety of marketing strategies to be sharing information, newsletters, emails, and social media. I wanted to slide that for social media. We targeted the whole project area inclusive uh tennis area. The 296 00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:58.349 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): we've also shared information via la. Now shuttle that's seen in the photo through Metro by sure channels, and you send a local mailer to approximately fourteen thousand stakeholders along the project area itself next slide. 297 00:38:59.310 --> 00:39:12.169 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): So what we've heard, so far from some of our community testimonials, you know, various feedback Venice needs to be a more friendly to biting environment for all modes of transportation. 298 00:39:12.180 --> 00:39:26.559 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Hiking this morning on Venice Boulevard, somebody ran the light and laid on their horn. Today was really close. It's not the first time that I've almost been hit by a car, 299 00:39:26.570 --> 00:39:41.739 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): and then the last one, because you can. Right. There has been veryiancy for us for all of us, our neighbors, our pets, or children, or elderly labors. I personally would like to do anything that would reduce traffic the me. So again, just some of the testimonials we've heard so far. We're continuing to 300 00:39:41.750 --> 00:39:47.940 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): um, Receive those and we'll make sure that we can share those results as well. 301 00:39:47.980 --> 00:39:49.190 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Our next slide, 302 00:39:50.260 --> 00:40:01.929 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): and then for survey results. This is a point in time. Um, of what we've heard from surveys just wanted to add. This is consistent with what we shared during our workshops. It's as of August twenty ninth. 303 00:40:01.940 --> 00:40:19.589 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): So we've received over one hundred responses. Approximately seventy percent of the respondents live along our surrounding project area. So that's you know. Nine, zero, six, six, nine, ah, three, four, nine, two, three, two, nine, one and nine hundred and two, three, zero, six next 304 00:40:21.370 --> 00:40:38.050 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): in terms of Ah! The question! Do you feel there is a need to improve safety and access for everyone traveling along Menace Boulevard so overwhelmingly seventy four percent of respondents said, Yes, nineteen percent said no. And seven percent said I'm sure next slide. 305 00:40:39.090 --> 00:40:52.490 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): And then in terms of do you support upgrading the existing on-street bike lanes to protective bike wings. Sixty, two percent said Yes, twenty, four percent said no ten percent, said I said, We're upgrading the bike, lanes, but 306 00:40:52.500 --> 00:41:06.229 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): concerns, and five percent said they needed more information. And then, in terms of If you do not currently ride the bus along the quarter, with the addition of a bus. Only I I encourage you to write bus. One Venice full of work. Forty, one percent said, no, 307 00:41:06.240 --> 00:41:13.969 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): thirty, six percent said Yes, eleven percent said unsure. And eleven percent said They currently use the bus. 308 00:41:15.680 --> 00:41:27.250 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Let's see additionally of respondents who selected the bus as a preferred way to get around the neighborhood. Eighty three percent were in support of the bustle midway, and now i'll pass it over to James again to speak about the Bus writer's sort of results. 309 00:41:27.810 --> 00:41:46.050 James Shahamiri: Thanks, Linda. So we talked to over one hundred and twenty riders on line thirty, three about the project and their experiences. So in terms of the respondents. About eighty, nine percent of the respondents wrote the bus at least three times a week, So these were pretty familiar users of line thirty, three 310 00:41:46.060 --> 00:41:53.340 James Shahamiri: and a little over two-thirds of them said that they experience delays due to traffic ingestion whenever they take the boss 311 00:41:53.520 --> 00:41:54.979 James Shahamiri: uh next slide, 312 00:41:55.240 --> 00:42:17.080 James Shahamiri: and then we also asked riders to rank in terms of benefits of bus priority lanes. What's most important to you and the top. Two responses were faster travel speed while on the bus, and also the bus showing up on time more often, which really get at the bus line. So Bus Link really does help with that speed and reliability of the trip. 313 00:42:17.090 --> 00:42:32.450 James Shahamiri: And then, lastly, we asked, You know, when, having a more reliable trip, I encourage you to use the boss more and ninety-five percent of respondents said they were either likely or very likely to use the bus more if the trip was more reliable. And i'll pass it back to Lupita. Thank you. 314 00:42:33.250 --> 00:42:48.449 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): Yeah. So just wanted to briefly share what's to come, and we're still Ah working on. So we'll have on street topic a cup of activations. We're finalizing those this week. Um share a date. Soon we're continuing to attend community meetings, 315 00:42:48.540 --> 00:43:06.990 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): we will have business listening sessions as a survey will be open until September Thirtieth also wanted to share. It was on the slides where we had a community workshop. Ah, October, Sorry my dates are getting so august thirty first, and we had over three hundred people participate, so I wanted to share that as well, 316 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:08.720 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): and i'll pass it back to that 317 00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:23.330 robertthibodeau: while back we can't hear you. You might have to unmute. 318 00:43:23.620 --> 00:43:26.500 Babak - LADOT: That's sorry. Sorry about that. Can you hear me now? 319 00:43:27.180 --> 00:43:40.939 Babak - LADOT: Yes, Great sorry about that. So thanks everybody for allowing us to present tonight, and just wanted to share ways about getting involved, and how you know to get to 320 00:43:42.290 --> 00:43:54.469 Babak - LADOT: to ah provide us with your community feedback. Um. So you go to the Project website and led to local streets. Dot org forward Slash projects forward Venice. You could take the survey 321 00:43:54.520 --> 00:43:57.390 Babak - LADOT: at a Lady Ottawa City dot org forward slash. 322 00:43:57.400 --> 00:44:07.000 Babak - LADOT: You can email us at led ot active at La City Org, and you can follow us at la dot liveable 323 00:44:07.010 --> 00:44:23.279 Babak - LADOT: um. So that kind of concludes our presentation, and give me this copy of this slideshow. Is that possible that we could? Um. This is super useful, super useful; and if if there's if that's not a proprietary thing, and you can 324 00:44:23.290 --> 00:44:29.490 Babak - LADOT: send that to myself for the Evan. Um, that would be fabulous. Yeah, I think we might have actually sent it last week, or we inside. 325 00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:31.290 Evan Corrigan: Yeah, if you actually see 326 00:44:31.300 --> 00:44:36.720 Babak - LADOT: if we have it, then then ignore me. Um, i'm always step on it. Okay, Okay, 327 00:44:36.730 --> 00:44:50.389 robertthibodeau: Um. And then are you guys going to stick around to Field? I I know I have one or two questions more technical aspect things. Um. But we're going to take public comment first. You guys can hit somebody from your team going to hang out one or two. 328 00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.189 Babak - LADOT: Yeah, yeah, we'll we'll hang in and 329 00:44:52.200 --> 00:44:57.809 Babak - LADOT: okay, we'll try and we'll try and make it. I see Eric Herrick wants to 330 00:44:58.010 --> 00:45:01.050 robertthibodeau: peak from Cd love and 331 00:45:03.090 --> 00:45:17.239 robertthibodeau: just muted myself. I might. So we're gonna. I'm just gonna take the hands in the order that they were. They're up right now, which is at least on my screen, is um Eric sean Daniel Erica. So that that's what I got right now, 332 00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:18.589 robertthibodeau: all right. 333 00:45:19.420 --> 00:45:21.149 robertthibodeau: So on 334 00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:33.140 robertthibodeau: whatever else we got, and that that's what we got. So we got this should be fairly. 335 00:45:33.670 --> 00:45:36.299 robertthibodeau: It's really easy. More, Eric 336 00:45:37.870 --> 00:45:39.859 robertthibodeau: whoops 337 00:45:41.210 --> 00:45:47.490 Babak - LADOT: just to clarify. We're gonna do public comment first, and then we'll respond in that question and answer portion. 338 00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:59.190 robertthibodeau: We're going to do public comment. And then typically what we do is public comment. And then we do a panel for whatever you want to call us committee comment, and 339 00:45:59.200 --> 00:46:20.099 robertthibodeau: and ah, there's likely some questions there. So maybe maybe there's only four people speaking, so maybe you answer their questions. Ah, relatively after that. And then if the committee's got a questions, too, if you stick around for that again, I don't think this can take care of him, and I I apologize, Eric. I 340 00:46:20.110 --> 00:46:23.040 robertthibodeau: press the wrong button there, so you should be allowed to talk, Eric. 341 00:46:23.520 --> 00:46:24.979 Eric Bruins (CD11): Hey, Can you hear me? 342 00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:48.519 Eric Bruins (CD11): Yes, we can, hey? Good evening, everybody. I'm Eric roans. I'm the transportation director over in Cd. Eleven. I mostly just wanted to say that i'm here listening to the the comments and questions from the public and the committee. We're really excited to present this project to the committee. We asked Dot to basically present their best possible 343 00:46:48.530 --> 00:46:57.390 Eric Bruins (CD11): design for Venice Boulevard and get feedback, and so we can hopefully hear from you all what you like, what you don't like, 344 00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:13.949 Eric Bruins (CD11): and we can incorporate the the comment that we can into the the final project design before deciding whether or not to move forward. So thank you, Robert, for meeting this this group, and I look forward to the discussion tonight. Thank you. 345 00:47:15.150 --> 00:47:23.860 robertthibodeau: Okay. So we had Sean O'brien. I saw you up there. Allow you to talk here, Shawn. You should be on 346 00:47:24.190 --> 00:47:24.890 you, can't. 347 00:47:24.900 --> 00:47:38.400 Sean Obrien: It's thinking I didn't really prepare anything of the road diet and Vista del Mar proved to be a fiasco. The road diet 348 00:47:38.600 --> 00:47:57.260 Sean Obrien: between Ah, Beethoven and Inglewood has also proved to have been a fiasco. And now you guys want to continue that from Lincoln Boulevard and I'm going to call it all the way up to Ah Robertson, you guys are calling it National National Boulevard. 349 00:47:57.270 --> 00:48:00.160 Sean Obrien: Um, uh! 350 00:48:00.470 --> 00:48:18.290 Sean Obrien: There's no public input on this. Nobody knows what's going on. Ah, you guys are just pushing this through. It's abominable what you're doing to our community by pushing traffic. 351 00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:22.100 Sean Obrien: This is a heavily traversed boulevard. 352 00:48:22.110 --> 00:48:30.119 Sean Obrien: You know, you want to like like like choke it? You want to reduce the lanes, you know, 353 00:48:30.550 --> 00:48:43.990 Sean Obrien: to utilize buses that are predominantly empty. Eighty percent of the time it's A. It's a horrible thing, 354 00:48:44.100 --> 00:48:52.990 Sean Obrien: you know, unless you want to do this thing like city-wide. You know don't do it just on Venice with the whole implement 355 00:48:53.000 --> 00:49:03.689 Sean Obrien: Venice people, Olympic, you know Santa Monica. Oh, what is that, Wilshire? But put them all in and do it all. 356 00:49:03.700 --> 00:49:05.990 Sean Obrien: But you're piecemailing this 357 00:49:06.000 --> 00:49:13.489 Sean Obrien: and it's like horrendous what you're going to do. It's it's not going to work it Hasn't worked 358 00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:15.890 Sean Obrien: also, 359 00:49:15.900 --> 00:49:26.589 Sean Obrien: you know, and I wasn't. I wasn't timing because I was gonna let people go, but I think I think they got the point. You know. You know I always for you, but so can we can. We move on to uh the next. 360 00:49:26.600 --> 00:49:28.550 robertthibodeau: Yeah, you. You've made your point, everybody. 361 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.259 robertthibodeau: Um. So sorry about interrupting you. 362 00:49:31.530 --> 00:49:48.370 robertthibodeau: Um and I wasn't going to set a time on people. But if you could keep it to like a minute or two, just so that we can get through this because we still have the rosav thing, maybe you can self monitor yourselves. Okay, I appreciate it. 363 00:49:48.650 --> 00:49:55.270 robertthibodeau: Okay. So now we've got Dan, i'm gonna try and find you here, Dan Daniel 364 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:58.590 robertthibodeau: Daniel. Yes, Can you hear me? 365 00:49:58.600 --> 00:50:12.339 robertthibodeau: Yes, we can. I? Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. Uh: this is exciting. I I think it's awesome to have this uh Bike lane. All the improvements going the distance that it's going. I to say quickly. Um! 366 00:50:12.350 --> 00:50:40.310 Daniel Z.: I I think that this is one of these things where bike lanes get put into the city, and they're not considering the details. I I haven't heard, and and i'm going to look and and investigate this more, and to understand it. But I think, like you know, passing lanes is one of the things we have all different kinds of bikes now much faster bikes ten miles an hour to seventeen to twenty. Something, you know. That's one consideration. I'm. Really curious how there are The Venice is connecting to periphery streets 367 00:50:40.320 --> 00:50:53.300 Daniel Z.: like at the beginning of this whole path at the end. How are people being just like dumped out? What is the connections to the rest of the city? And third, I do feel strongly that the bicyclists need 368 00:50:53.890 --> 00:51:01.109 Daniel Z.: lights. There needs to be I? That may be expensive, but I think people aren't educated enough across the board. 369 00:51:01.120 --> 00:51:15.289 Daniel Z.: The culture, and you get a lot of bicycles just running through and accidents. So it's like just Bike Lane alone sounds great. But you really need these details implemented to really make it a fully functioning system. 370 00:51:17.380 --> 00:51:23.779 robertthibodeau: Okay, all good points. And we've got Erica. I'm going to put you on 371 00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:27.810 robertthibodeau: a lot of talk. Sorry, Erica 372 00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.360 robertthibodeau: Frankie, you disappeared 373 00:51:31.000 --> 00:51:32.879 robertthibodeau: you there 374 00:51:36.050 --> 00:51:39.590 a lot of talk, 375 00:51:39.600 --> 00:51:41.570 robertthibodeau: Erica. You should be on. 376 00:51:43.250 --> 00:51:45.340 Erica Moore: Hi, there! Can you hear me? Okay, 377 00:51:45.470 --> 00:51:49.289 robertthibodeau: Yes, and it took me a second. For some reason, 378 00:51:49.300 --> 00:52:00.200 robertthibodeau: Robert I'm. Here I'm going to do my best. But the facts are that my business will be directly affected by this, because it's on this boulevard in between Beethoven and Legal. 379 00:52:00.210 --> 00:52:24.239 Erica Moore: I first want to start my my comments by inviting the people that are involved with this to come here to see exactly what we deal with me and the other small business that for the store that feed the entire community behind us. It's the only place you can buy stuff, food and drinks and things like that, and I also for meals on wheels, which is elderly shut in people and the homeless for organized 380 00:52:24.250 --> 00:52:29.189 Erica Moore: program that's through a Culver city in Culver City through Bracelet, and 381 00:52:29.200 --> 00:52:52.350 Erica Moore: the bottom line is right Now We already are dealing with large loading trucks in the middle of Venice Boulevard, because they can't even park on the curve here, because of all of the construction that's going on. I don't think they're considering the fact that there are water tanks parked on Venice Boulevard sticking out from the curve, preventing any fars from parking, and that's where the bike lane would be, 382 00:52:52.500 --> 00:53:03.999 Erica Moore: and that's not going away soon, and they've just started the project. That's a pretty corner for me that they now are blocking off that entire section of Venice Boulevard. It's like a two block section. 383 00:53:04.010 --> 00:53:15.010 Erica Moore: There's very serious problems in this area that have to be looked at before they consider freedom in. I, of course, want protected White Lane. I personally ride my bicycle 384 00:53:15.020 --> 00:53:44.050 Erica Moore: to a beach, run East Venice four days a week at least, and have many friends that do as well. But this particular iteration is not viable right here. We already can barely There's also the issue with Venice High School with their new construction. They now have removed the parking for the parents to pick their kids up. So what's happening every day is we're getting cars parked along in front of our business that are waiting for their kids from Venice High School, even though it's across and down the street. 385 00:53:44.080 --> 00:54:01.590 Erica Moore: There are some very serious problems with our section, and it really needs to be looked at. No one has done any outreach to us. The pictures I see of outreach are all up in the Mar Vista area and their large commercial buildings that happen to have parking inside. That's not on street, 386 00:54:01.600 --> 00:54:07.800 Erica Moore: a lot of us, small mom and pop places. We rely on that street parking, and we're already struggling with that, 387 00:54:07.810 --> 00:54:14.789 Erica Moore: so I could go on and on. But I also think lighting is essential. There's not enough lighting on many on the streets, 388 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:22.290 Erica Moore: and I think that the percentage of people that they're only is a very small hundreds of people is nothing. 389 00:54:22.300 --> 00:54:34.370 Erica Moore: There are thousands of people that live behind on all of these street. When I have personally walked in canvas and selected signatures, i'll go up two streaks, and I collect three hundred, 390 00:54:34.380 --> 00:54:37.389 Erica Moore: so I really think they need to really reevaluate 391 00:54:37.400 --> 00:55:03.399 Erica Moore: the community outreach that they're doing, because a lot of people are very much against it, and I don't think that they're polling the swath large numbers. I think that they're doing a small amount of people, and I don't think it's reasonable, and I don't think it's a true representation of what the community here wants, I know for a fact. They asked for our communication about the Mar disasters when they were implementing it, and I know for a back or a majority people who are against it. But 392 00:55:03.410 --> 00:55:08.509 Erica Moore: being more this so I can say. But please come here and see what we're dealing with 393 00:55:08.520 --> 00:55:13.590 Erica Moore: hand. It would really be important, and i'd welcome you to come. I'm happy to host you. 394 00:55:13.600 --> 00:55:18.049 robertthibodeau: Okay, Thank you. And thanks for 395 00:55:18.090 --> 00:55:26.189 Eric Bruins (CD11): for kind of self-timing There, Robert, can I just ask Erica, can you identify which business you're with is a queen's market? 396 00:55:26.200 --> 00:55:27.490 Erica Moore: That sort of food market, 397 00:55:27.500 --> 00:55:31.289 Eric Bruins (CD11): your next door to Queens Market. Okay, Great 398 00:55:31.300 --> 00:55:32.189 Erica Moore: thirty minutes. 399 00:55:32.200 --> 00:55:36.390 robertthibodeau: You have the catering operation of the, if I remember correctly, 400 00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:40.040 Eric Bruins (CD11): got it. Thank you. That that type of feedback. 401 00:55:40.050 --> 00:55:49.590 Eric Bruins (CD11): Yeah, that time of feedback is really helpful. I want to make sure that our outreach team gets to everybody and and can particularly deal with like loading zones and those types of issues. 402 00:55:49.600 --> 00:55:55.760 robertthibodeau: Okay, so let's um. We got one more semi-public comment here, 403 00:55:55.920 --> 00:56:00.719 robertthibodeau: which is hand up. Oh, we've got two more here. 404 00:56:00.860 --> 00:56:02.359 robertthibodeau: So 405 00:56:02.790 --> 00:56:05.789 robertthibodeau: Mr. Muerez, and then Selena. But, 406 00:56:05.800 --> 00:56:17.690 Selena Inouye: Selena, we're talking in uh we're in talking Committee right after this, right? But you've got two hands up Paola Pina and Isabel de Vuvier. 407 00:56:17.700 --> 00:56:26.350 Selena Inouye: Okay, they weren't up Originally, when I took the list. So, Jim, you're gonna have to sit tight for a second. We're gonna let these guys talk. 408 00:56:26.540 --> 00:56:29.149 robertthibodeau: I'm allowed to talk about lion. 409 00:56:34.100 --> 00:56:48.070 Paola Pini: We can thank you. Thank you so much for this presentation. We i'm very excited about seeing Bike Lane on Venice, Bulgar, but echoing what Daniel said before, everything is in the details. 410 00:56:48.080 --> 00:56:59.050 Paola Pini: So my question to the led and Eric is like we have a wonderful example of bike path in the middle of 411 00:56:59.120 --> 00:57:05.320 Paola Pini: three miles from I don't know exactly from we're down almost from shore, 412 00:57:05.360 --> 00:57:22.239 Paola Pini: all the way up to Atlanta, where the High School is. I mean that's the kind of by clay that people would use. I dry. I go with my kids to school and buy, and I try to avoid Venice, because even in the portion where we have 413 00:57:22.250 --> 00:57:36.019 Paola Pini: a protected bike, link is not safe for a family or kids of ten or seven years old. I would like to buy it all the way to University, and yet I have to drive. I have to go all the way down to 414 00:57:36.100 --> 00:57:43.150 Paola Pini: second. I'm echoing Erica's comment about the data 415 00:57:43.250 --> 00:57:55.080 Paola Pini: you I believe you mentioned. There is eight thousand daily riders on this buses, and yet you could survey only one hundred and twenty of them. That's a very low number. 416 00:57:55.090 --> 00:58:07.769 Paola Pini: And second again, we said, we have one hundred, five hundred responders, but only seventy percent are within the area of Ah! That will be affected by this. Ah, Bike Lane, which means eight hundred and forty. 417 00:58:08.390 --> 00:58:26.759 Paola Pini: This is going to affect everyone deeply, so i'm not going to welcome it. Some are not. It's a big change that the city needs to do. But I think the importance the biplane needs to be a better by way we have in your rendering you show Ah, sixteen feet, one million, most of the space along Bonus 418 00:58:26.770 --> 00:58:36.950 Paola Pini: Center. Median. If you can do something that is good for the bike lane. It's the good environment. It's it for everybody. That would be a winning project for all, and something that the Ct. 419 00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:47.200 Paola Pini: Really needs to actually get on board with this important improvement, public improvement that our climate and and addressing our climate emergency. Thank you so much. 420 00:58:47.380 --> 00:58:51.700 robertthibodeau: Okay. All very good points. And then we've got Isabel. 421 00:58:51.850 --> 00:58:53.699 robertthibodeau: Um, i'm gonna 422 00:59:00.970 --> 00:59:09.780 isabelle duvivier: Hi. My name is Isabel. Juv: Yeah, I fully support this project. I do agree with everyone you've heard so far that the devil is in the details. 423 00:59:09.790 --> 00:59:39.630 isabelle duvivier: Certainly, around Venice High School the treatment should be reconsidered. I used to ride um from tennis all the way downtown along Tennis Boulevard, and it was really scary. Um. I've also been paying attention to a lot of the development happening along Fattice Boulevard and a lot of these new projects are putting driveways in along venice Boulevard, so it might prove the city to consider requiring well-trive ways to be off the alley, so that there's less traffic, 424 00:59:39.640 --> 00:59:52.639 isabelle duvivier: it coming and going. I wonder how that does work at the intersections. When I've written it to my vista along Venice Boulevard. When you get to those intersections it's a little dicey. 425 00:59:52.650 --> 01:00:10.829 isabelle duvivier: I wonder if the staff has looked at really looked at what's going on in Europe, and the way those bike lanes are painted orange, and they're really they're really prioritized. That's it. Thank you so much. I support the project. 426 01:00:11.410 --> 01:00:24.690 isabelle duvivier: Oh, sorry! The last thing I want to say which was really important was that I would like to see them really think through what they're going to do with the vegetation. Um, with the shading with the shade trees on Venice Boulevard 427 01:00:24.700 --> 01:00:28.590 isabelle duvivier: um in the median, and in the part ways. Thank you. 428 01:00:28.600 --> 01:00:30.289 robertthibodeau: I knew the trees were going to make it in there. 429 01:00:30.300 --> 01:00:31.979 robertthibodeau: Yeah, um, 430 01:00:32.080 --> 01:00:36.179 robertthibodeau: All right, thank you. And now 431 01:00:37.250 --> 01:00:47.140 robertthibodeau: can we can we do Port comment? And then, and then these guys can come back. Jim's Jim's got his hand up. All right. You've been very patient, Thanks. 432 01:00:47.330 --> 01:00:50.240 robertthibodeau: I'm gonna ask to unmute. 433 01:00:50.250 --> 01:00:58.689 jim murez: So Um, thanks. I admitted myself as President of the Venice Neighborhood Council. First of all, I would like to thank Robert and the 434 01:00:58.700 --> 01:01:20.159 jim murez: Parking and Transportation Committee for making the outreach to this project to come and present to the community. Up until now they've avoided the community, and they started four or five months ago, and Haven't done any outreach at the Venice Farmers market, or at any of our board meetings or other committee. I think that that's something to be said 435 01:01:20.170 --> 01:01:27.229 jim murez: for our parking and transportation committee, and shame on Ledot for not getting involved much earlier 436 01:01:27.620 --> 01:01:40.470 jim murez: on a personal note. I listen very clearly. You describe what was going to be an area where there was going to be two lanes of traffic and a bike line, 437 01:01:40.480 --> 01:02:10.409 Paola Pini: and i'm wondering what number of cars passes by that location and pick any parking space along that location when a car is parking, and you have a parking lane in two lanes of traffic. All of a sudden. When the car goes to parallel it stops the traffic, and I only have one way. And so I guess i'm curious during the time that it takes somebody to parallel Park. How many cars are being backed up and added to the time that it takes for them to travel through that 438 01:02:10.420 --> 01:02:14.130 jim murez: same section of roadway. That's my first question. 439 01:02:14.250 --> 01:02:29.889 jim murez: My second question bus only laying three minutes of reduced ridership during that three minutes of reduced ridership having that section of roadway twenty, four over seven, which is, I guess, how you've described it 440 01:02:29.900 --> 01:02:37.709 jim murez: being a dedicated bus lane. How many vehicles, automobiles, trucks, pet, you know, whatever delivery services. 441 01:02:37.720 --> 01:03:06.719 jim murez: Other vehicles are not able to use that lane, and therefore it's adding more than three minutes, or it's adding additional time to them. What's the impact? Because you described how many riders right on the bus. We didn't describe how many people are being impacted by this reduced number of traffic lights. Um! When I did the the next point when I did the twenty feet of visibility before and after a driveway, or before a driveway, I guess, for the protected Bike Lane at thirty five miles an hour. That's just 442 01:03:06.730 --> 01:03:35.940 jim murez: barely one second of visibility time for a person to react and not turn across that bike lane after making the right turn. That's not a whole whole hell of a lot of time to be able to see a a bicycle, and if there's a Park van as the last person in the parking spaces in that row there's absolutely zero visibility to see the bicycle, and I know that in the section in our vista. That's been the number one traffic incident problem since that project was installed 443 01:03:35.950 --> 01:04:04.300 jim murez: my my last question to actually I have one question in one statement, one last quick one in the bus only lane are you considering? Allowing private high occupancy vehicles to also share that way. And when I say high occupancy vehicles. That is a state definition of ten ten passengers or more in a vehicle, and i'm wondering why aren't. We also allowing high occupancy vehicles to share that way. 444 01:04:04.310 --> 01:04:29.600 jim murez: It seems very exclusive to only allow Metro to use it on a twenty, four, seven basis. But we have lots of large businesses that have that kind of ridership requirement already being imposed on them by planning and by a dot. It's a state mandate that anybody with more than seventy five employees has to have that bus, and if they have to have that bus, why can't they share it that way? 445 01:04:29.610 --> 01:04:44.519 jim murez: And my very last point? And this is a statement, and I would like very much L. A. D. Ot at some point in time to research it. I know they won't. Have an answer tonight in one thousand nine hundred and two. Abbott Kenny entered into a contract with Pacific electric rail 446 01:04:44.530 --> 01:05:14.469 jim murez: That that contract described how there was a rail line that they were going to create from downtown Los Angeles to the city of Venice. The city of Venice offered and gave up rights of way, um property, and and including one hundred sunset, in exchange for one dollars for the railroad to provide passenger service to our community. Now it seems to me that that three hundred foot right of way, which was dedicated back in nineteen. 447 01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:18.730 jim murez: Know two from downtown Los Angeles all the way to one hundred sunset. 448 01:05:18.740 --> 01:05:47.469 jim murez: Um! When the city adopted the responsibility of the community of Venice, which was actually a city at the time in one thousand nine hundred and twenty five. They also adopted that railroad um requirement. Now, if you're taking out one or two lanes depending for other means of transportation that are reducing the public access to the beach, that this gets into a much larger coastal issue, and and we haven't said a whole lot of it with the harvest. Ah, 449 01:05:47.980 --> 01:06:17.150 jim murez: road diet! But I think Now, if you're going to impose it along a very major portion of the roadway that's west of the four hundred and five, all the way to to Venice that this now introduces a a whole new level of of impact that that needs to be considered. There is a contract that is in existence, and it was filed as part of a public recordation back in one thousand nine hundred and two. Happy to share that with you. But it does still exist, and it needs to be addressed. 450 01:06:17.430 --> 01:06:19.160 jim murez: Thank you. 451 01:06:22.420 --> 01:06:26.440 Sean Obrien: Another government crisis, including Gridlock. 452 01:06:32.940 --> 01:06:35.080 Babak - LADOT: Okay. So uh, 453 01:06:35.230 --> 01:06:51.499 Babak - LADOT: I think there was about six or seven questions there. So let me. Let me. Let's go. Let's go one by one. You might have some of the questions that you asked. Uh. So first I want to uh apologize for not having. Uh. 454 01:06:51.510 --> 01:07:00.449 Babak - LADOT: I think we've been in the midst of trying to talk to as many people as we can, and it was a gross oversight that we did not fully 455 01:07:01.020 --> 01:07:10.689 Babak - LADOT: get a hold of Ah! And present earlier to the Venice Neighborhood Council, And so I want to apologize for that. But we're here today. We're We're here to answer your questions. 456 01:07:10.700 --> 01:07:17.619 Babak - LADOT: Um. So your second question. Can you remind me when your second question was, 457 01:07:20.400 --> 01:07:26.290 jim murez: don't know, Robert, Do you want me to do that. I mean it was recorded. They can. They can respond in the future, right, 458 01:07:26.300 --> 01:07:50.379 Babak - LADOT: you know, as as President of the Neighborhood Council. I would like you to take into to consideration all of the public comment that you heard tonight, and any more outreach that you're going to be doing and come before the board that you have taken five months to get around to seeing us doesn't mean that we should be rushed into answering you within thirty days. I mean To me this is just unfair, and and you know the community of Venice is going to be tremendously 459 01:07:50.390 --> 01:08:08.900 jim murez: impact or potentially tremendously. In fact, maybe the impact is going to be a tremendous improvement in bike transportation. I don't know, but I mean you hear about people riding on bicycles now at twenty, five, thirty miles an hour, and they're using the same way. We ought to have the opportunity to have the upper and the same as all of the other communities have 460 01:08:08.910 --> 01:08:30.309 jim murez: the the same reach outreach that you've done Starting back in June. You're now giving us thirty days less than thirty days to you know, fifteen days to to responding to your survey. That just seems completely unfair. And and if you want to take the comments that were made tonight and everything else you want to do, and bring them back to us at a future board meeting. We would love to have you, but I think that's the only responsible thing 461 01:08:30.979 --> 01:08:58.569 Pamela Lee (LADOT): Hi doing. My My name is Samuel Lee. I'm a Bobby Supervisor of the Transportation Commission. Um, I apologize like Bob had, said. I'm so glad, though, that we were able to connect. And you're not the only community group who has done so. Um, I think that you know we have done our very best, and I think that we will take you up on your offer. Um! Where we That's why we're here as we're here to serve all the comments. And to um talk about the project. 462 01:08:58.580 --> 01:09:08.960 Pamela Lee (LADOT): And here you're allowing clear, we'll see where our capacity is. We've been adding more meetings, community briefing since Pita mentioned, and we have a very 463 01:09:08.970 --> 01:09:28.090 Pamela Lee (LADOT): We are trim staff um, A lot of vacancies on our team and trying to do a really big idea like this one. Um! It stretches us to our ever uh uppermost limit. Um! That's why we're here today. Um, I do want to address a little bit about. You know, kind of your delay and traffic, and I wanted to give James the opportunity to talk a little bit about 464 01:09:28.100 --> 01:09:46.570 Pamela Lee (LADOT): the best priority lengths, and how they're used, and who is allowed to use them? And i'll let him answer that because he's the the bus Screw guru. We do have some traffic studies that we have done on this street, and have seen fairly minimal impact. We don't do it to the same degree that you were mentioning 465 01:09:46.580 --> 01:10:16.549 Pamela Lee (LADOT): where someone is unloading. We're kind of stopping traffic, but we look at the corridor overall and see what kind of delay that is. And we're We're seeing a pretty minimal impact of maybe about two minutes. That's something that we shared at our public workshop. Um over the whole course of the order. Of course I've been told. What I've learned in my transportation career is that traffic doesn't move like water. It moves like sludge, and so it kind of stops and starts over the course of the entire. 466 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:44.759 Pamela Lee (LADOT): You know we're not seeing too substantial of delay, and that's what we're looking at. But we're continuing to to analyze and write. The devil is in the details, and I think that a lot of the things that we do tonight are really important for our engineers that back um, and especially that high school portion of it. We're really looking at it in the detailed question, and I wanted to invite James things. If you wanted to talk a little bit about um. Jen's comments about 467 01:10:44.900 --> 01:11:03.329 Pamela Lee (LADOT): the best priority Lane How it can be used I know it can be used for emergency vehicles. That's a question that has come up like fire the merge of peoples. But any time you are welcome to use it, and that that's actually quite an advantage on Dennis Boulevard is currently they have to feed in in and out of traffic. Um, But maybe you can see all right, 468 01:11:03.340 --> 01:11:25.019 James Shahamiri: sure. Yeah. So ah, you know anyone can use the bus only lane to make bright turns at intersections and driveways, you know, and that kind of fed into the traffic analysis. You know a lot of the major intersections. There are heavy right turn volumes, And so at the intersections that Lane is still available for drivers to make right turns um in terms of 469 01:11:25.030 --> 01:11:46.329 James Shahamiri: you know what other large capacity vehicles are allowed to use the Bus Lane. It is not exclusive to metro buses. It falls under the jurisdiction of the California Vehicle code, which can be correctly said, You know ten ten passengers, or more, any vehicle is allowed to use that. So you know. I mean It's It's there to be used for high capacity people. 470 01:11:46.340 --> 01:11:53.689 James Shahamiri: Um. So yeah, i'm happy to answer any other questions related to to Bus bus ridership, or the design of the bus on the ones, 471 01:11:53.700 --> 01:12:11.859 Babak - LADOT: and I I just wanted to add that we've ah also met with Venice High School about twice now, and we've gotten a lot of their feedback and a lot of their concerns, and we're we're continuing to incorporate that into our design as well, just because 472 01:12:11.870 --> 01:12:15.259 Babak - LADOT: we're we're aware of the issues with with nice high school. 473 01:12:16.540 --> 01:12:30.720 robertthibodeau: Okay, Thanks. I'm gonna um get selena on here because she's been waiting with her hand up so patiently, and uh, and then I think maybe Evan um. So, Selena, I think you can just speak. I don't need to 474 01:12:31.590 --> 01:12:32.790 robertthibodeau: do anything here. 475 01:12:32.800 --> 01:12:47.219 Selena Inouye: Yeah, um. So I appreciate everyone coming here tonight to give this presentation. But I have the following concern on all the materials that I've seen distributed the only local of a neighborhood council. On those materials is palms. 476 01:12:47.230 --> 01:13:03.280 Selena Inouye: This project actually affects four different neighborhood councils, including Venice, Mar vista and sorrow. I understand that You've had discussions with the Pumps Neighborhood Council about configurations that they would like to see on Venice Boulevard. 477 01:13:03.290 --> 01:13:13.020 Selena Inouye: It feels unfair for you to do a presentation tonight, and not have a discussion with us about what we would like to see on Venice Boulevard. 478 01:13:13.030 --> 01:13:24.330 Selena Inouye: Moreover, because there are four neighborhood councils involved in this project. There should be a discussion among all four councils about this project. 479 01:13:24.830 --> 01:13:43.110 Selena Inouye: I understand that people like the parcel things out in terms of their neighborhood Council. But there is a West Side regional alliance of councils, mobility and Transportation Committee that I am the Venice representative to where we talk about the regional impacts of projects like this. 480 01:13:43.120 --> 01:13:49.869 Selena Inouye: The other thing that I want to see and I don't see. But this project is alternatives. 481 01:13:49.880 --> 01:14:07.039 Selena Inouye: For example, we have the Lincoln fast forward. Project here in Venice. That's doing a peak hour Bus Lane, on Lincoln Boulevard, between the Santa Monica Border and Lincoln and Dennis Boulevard it takes parking away on one side of the street. 482 01:14:07.050 --> 01:14:10.690 Selena Inouye: Ah! Depending on if it's the morning or afternoon rush hour, 483 01:14:11.200 --> 01:14:20.929 Selena Inouye: if Lincoln Boulevard Aren't muttling if Dennis Boulevard was configured in the same way we could have the Bus lane go all the way down to Lincoln Boulevard, 484 01:14:20.950 --> 01:14:28.490 Selena Inouye: have the maximum number of traffic lanes to accommodate. How many people are using Venice Boulevard 485 01:14:28.630 --> 01:14:41.920 Selena Inouye: and put in a different type of Bike lane, a buffered bike lane, which is what I've heard a lot of cyclists say to me, they would prefer to the protective bike lane, and we could actually have more mobility 486 01:14:42.010 --> 01:14:55.770 Selena Inouye: work to get more people out of their cars and on to buses and alternative forms of transportation, and be able to come back and look at removing travel lanes when the actual demand on Bettis Boulevard has gone down, 487 01:14:55.780 --> 01:15:10.309 Selena Inouye: because I know from from the Marches to project that that project. All it did was teach people to take a different route, and to sometimes go into the neighborhoods, and I hear you saying you're going to put in neighborhood protection measures. 488 01:15:10.320 --> 01:15:29.030 Selena Inouye: I'm telling you if you don't address the issue here, which is how much traffic goes down. Venus Boulevard. Those protection measures Aren't. Going to do any good. People are going to find ways around this roadblock, which is essentially what you're installing. And and I know from 489 01:15:29.040 --> 01:15:33.640 Selena Inouye: the West Del a transportation improvement, 490 01:15:33.810 --> 01:15:49.150 Selena Inouye: specific, specific, specific specific plans. Sorry um. You hired a contractor, Fear and peers. They did modeling computer modeling to show what it would look like if you took a lane away on Washington Boulevard, 491 01:15:49.160 --> 01:16:08.670 Selena Inouye: and they showed in their computer modeling that the effects went from Jefferson and Plia Vista all the way to Rose Avenue and to the edge of Santa Monica. I don't. I want I would like to see your modeling on what effect this project is going to have, because you're going to be basically 492 01:16:08.680 --> 01:16:11.269 Selena Inouye: re-routing cars a different way. 493 01:16:11.340 --> 01:16:24.819 Selena Inouye: I I don't know that that achieves anybody's mobility goal, and it certainly doesn't make a lot of people want to support this project when they feel like something is being taken away from them, and they're not being given another 494 01:16:25.280 --> 01:16:29.530 Selena Inouye: alternative that will help them in a substantial way. 495 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:30.639 Selena Inouye: So 496 01:16:30.890 --> 01:16:42.109 Selena Inouye: when we're done with discussion, Robert, I would like to present a motion on this issue for consideration for the committee, and also consideration for the B and C board. 497 01:16:42.120 --> 01:16:45.939 Selena Inouye: Okay, I think we got a couple more board um 498 01:16:46.470 --> 01:16:52.380 robertthibodeau: comments. At least I saw heaven waving to me. Did you? Did you have something you wanted to say of it? 499 01:16:52.390 --> 01:16:59.960 Evan Corrigan: Yeah, i'll keep you brief. Thank you for presenting and the extra information. Yeah, really, 500 01:17:00.040 --> 01:17:05.820 Evan Corrigan: I mean, personally, I think it's a step in the right direction. 501 01:17:06.170 --> 01:17:11.580 Evan Corrigan: You know some of the comments about putting the bike lanes in the middles. 502 01:17:11.630 --> 01:17:21.469 Evan Corrigan: You know there's the medium that could be expanded that could be interesting in the future, because it could be kind of a bicycle highway. There's a lot of curve cuts on that, 503 01:17:22.020 --> 01:17:39.809 Evan Corrigan: you know Venice Boulevard with driveways and such. But personally I think it's a step in the right direction. Is it also a point about painting bike lanes? Were those going to be painted green, or another color for higher visibility. 504 01:17:40.480 --> 01:17:48.719 Babak - LADOT: It would be similar to the to what it kind of looks like on on marvellous, or where, through someone at the the right, 505 01:17:49.030 --> 01:17:54.929 Babak - LADOT: where it kind of approaches the intersection. There's kind of that flexible, or it's kind of like painted green 506 01:17:55.110 --> 01:17:57.919 Babak - LADOT: it to kind of like increase visibility 507 01:17:57.950 --> 01:17:59.050 Babak - LADOT: as well. 508 01:17:59.250 --> 01:18:06.690 Evan Corrigan: So like you know Santa Monica and the bike lanes are kind of painted green entirely. Was that a consideration? 509 01:18:06.700 --> 01:18:26.209 Pamela Lee (LADOT): We we definitely considered it. I think, right now. Green paint is one of those things that's facing some shortages amongst other things. And so I think, what about the treatment that i'm saying is is our best at the moment, because I don't think we have that much in stock. Um, but I think that was that would be the 510 01:18:26.220 --> 01:18:29.189 Pamela Lee (LADOT): It's probably green um in the future, 511 01:18:29.200 --> 01:18:31.340 Pamela Lee (LADOT): you know. Um, 512 01:18:31.580 --> 01:18:44.330 Pamela Lee (LADOT): I think I wanted to address some of forget Selena. I had a whole bunch of questions, and I think they all just a lot of my head we are presenting or trying to present to the wr. 513 01:18:44.340 --> 01:19:07.380 Pamela Lee (LADOT): So you Iraq. Um, I can't remember. Um Pita is actually our our guru on um external affairs. I don't know, Robert, if you could re um promote her, and so she can um kind of respond to both our Palms Neighborhood Council relationship as well as you know what's coming and what meetings are coming up. If you don't mind if I may hand it over. 514 01:19:07.390 --> 01:19:26.289 Pamela Lee (LADOT): Thank you. Yeah, Thank you. So yeah, um. In regards to Why, the policy where council over on the materials that's you know a little. I think it was on the timeline that Babe shared. Initially, Community members from the Palm's Neighborhood Council approached led of T about Venice. So that's how this that conversation got started. 515 01:19:26.300 --> 01:19:32.269 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): They decided to partner with outreach. And so you know that's That's 516 01:19:32.550 --> 01:19:50.420 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): one of the three lines of the project that they they wanted to pursue. So, um! That's why that palms Award Council. Logo is on the outreach materials. That doesn't mean that we're not, you know, um, including the other Neighborhood Council. Um, Definitely, Again, we want to make sure that we're not everyone. And um, 517 01:19:50.510 --> 01:20:19.180 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): we will continue to work with you all. I know that you know we are a little bit later in the process, but want to make sure that we still work with you all. And also, you know, we are. We have outreach activities plan throughout September. We wanted to. He did like a initial business fantasy, but we're going to work on another business canvassing to make sure that we're reaching out to all those businesses that we make, we reach the first time making sure that we are able to get information from them, and also make sure that we're reaching to those businesses that we need to 518 01:20:19.190 --> 01:20:20.790 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): to reach out that first day. So 519 01:20:20.800 --> 01:20:23.959 Lupita Huerta (LADOT): we're continuing that outreach and just wanted to. I'm going to share that. 520 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:38.040 Babak - LADOT: Yeah, I'm. Just. I just wanted to add also that the four neighborhood councils that this is this project is going through. Ah, you know, today we're here with with Venice we presented to the Mar Vista. We've 521 01:20:38.050 --> 01:20:53.620 Babak - LADOT: ah spoken of palms, and we're also speaking with Ah, with South Robertson, and also as Pamela alluded to. We are also going to be presenting at the the the wreck. So we'll see you again there looking forward to it. 522 01:20:54.040 --> 01:20:55.840 Babak - LADOT: Um. And 523 01:20:56.180 --> 01:20:58.449 Babak - LADOT: yeah, I think there's someone to add that. 524 01:20:59.580 --> 01:21:03.879 robertthibodeau: Okay, I want to say thank you to you all, for 525 01:21:03.900 --> 01:21:20.129 robertthibodeau: we're presenting tonight. And ah, you know, Would it would have been nice a few months ago, but but you know at least we're here now, and it was a good presentation. It sounded like ah born against comment, where someone evenly split, 526 01:21:20.140 --> 01:21:39.460 robertthibodeau: and it also sounded like there was a fair amount of sort of suggestions and questions that I hope um led ot is is um kind of really, honestly listening to, because one thing that I'm hearing is, we're gonna, you know, repeat what was done 527 01:21:39.470 --> 01:21:46.250 robertthibodeau: in my vista and not deviate. You know I haven't really heard any sort of deviation. So you guys put something in, 528 01:21:46.280 --> 01:22:01.939 robertthibodeau: and then, like usually in what I do, you you you you learn and you adjust a little bit. But I I i'm not really hearing much of sort of an adjustment um process in here, and I hope the listening is really an honest listening, and 529 01:22:01.950 --> 01:22:06.759 robertthibodeau: we're making this the best possible, you know, outcome that it can be. 530 01:22:06.870 --> 01:22:17.140 robertthibodeau: Also, i'm a little concerned personally that the the feedback is really from the the ridership, which I understand. 531 01:22:17.150 --> 01:22:34.900 robertthibodeau: But um to Erica's point, you know also, being a small business owner in Venice, and and you know will be to some extent impacted by the Lincoln. Fast Forward, um! And and knowing that it is a hard run for small businesses, especially in this climate right now, 532 01:22:34.910 --> 01:22:39.990 robertthibodeau: moving people to jobs when the jobs don't exist anymore, 533 01:22:40.000 --> 01:22:49.850 robertthibodeau: or you know, making it harder on on small employers is, you know, it should be weighed into the conversation for sure. 534 01:22:49.980 --> 01:23:07.820 robertthibodeau: Um! And ah with without any sort of further ado on that, I think Selena um wanted to enter a motion for us to entertain. Jim. Do you think this is the time and place for that? 535 01:23:08.340 --> 01:23:16.890 jim murez: If you put on your agenda that it's for discussion and possible action. Then. Yeah, absolutely. It's certainly allowed. 536 01:23:16.900 --> 01:23:20.290 robertthibodeau: Okay. So let's let's hear I This is 537 01:23:20.840 --> 01:23:25.229 robertthibodeau: Selena. I asked you to unmute, which I think I didn't need to. But you 538 01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:35.919 Selena Inouye: right. So. Um, Robert, did. Did you want to thank our guests first, and and invite them to either stay or go at this point? 539 01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:51.929 Selena Inouye: Um, I think I did that I did. Thanked the I did thank the led ot folks and um and ah, you know they're they're welcome to stay through the motion. I think it would be good good to hear it, or you know I've got a 540 01:23:53.250 --> 01:24:02.240 Selena Inouye: so i'm going to go ahead and share my screen, and i'll try to make this as big as I can possibly do it. 541 01:24:02.670 --> 01:24:04.749 Selena Inouye: I'll have to figure out how to do that. 542 01:24:04.760 --> 01:24:23.649 Selena Inouye: Um. So this is a draft for discussion and for editing. Um. So basically, as I said in my public comment, i'm just concerned that the Venice Neighborhood Council has not been ah a A. A partner in this project 543 01:24:23.660 --> 01:24:34.069 Selena Inouye: has not asked for its input and that input has not been incorporated into the presentation that we just saw. 544 01:24:34.080 --> 01:24:48.590 Selena Inouye: So I feel like at this juncture. Um! The Vnc. Board should consider sending a letter to L. A. D. Ot. And cancelled in um Bonnan's office. Actually, Robert, Can you move the folks who are talking? 545 01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:51.249 robertthibodeau: You know it's my my end. I'm: sorry I should. 546 01:24:51.680 --> 01:25:01.599 Selena Inouye: Okay. I'm: Sorry. Um, I would suggest that the Vnc. Sent a letter to La Do Councilwoman Bono's office and basically 547 01:25:01.930 --> 01:25:16.279 Selena Inouye: state that, you know, transportation projects like this should be ongoing partnerships between stakeholders. The neighborhood councils in the city, and the Vnc. Is the best and most direct way to communicate about these projects with the public, 548 01:25:16.290 --> 01:25:29.069 Selena Inouye: and that no transportation project of this scale in magnitude should be considered, planned, implemented, or approved without the ongoing involvement and approval of the Anc. And its stakeholders. 549 01:25:29.090 --> 01:25:55.559 Selena Inouye: Um! I wanted this letter to go out to all of the Member Neighborhood councils. Ah! Because Marvista and Soro are also in the same position that we are. The Palms Neighborhood Council has had a Venice Boulevard improvement ad hoc committee since two thousand and twenty, so they've had many discussions about what they would like to see done differently on Venice Boulevard. 550 01:25:55.570 --> 01:26:00.239 Selena Inouye: Our neighborhood council has not, 551 01:26:00.470 --> 01:26:05.529 Selena Inouye: but I don't know. Is there any other questions? I see Jim has his hand up. Do you want to go? 552 01:26:07.460 --> 01:26:10.209 robertthibodeau: Well, I I think there's a motion on that. 553 01:26:10.250 --> 01:26:12.189 robertthibodeau: I think there's a motion on the floor. 554 01:26:12.200 --> 01:26:15.559 Selena Inouye: There's not a motion until it's made, and then seconded 555 01:26:15.570 --> 01:26:29.490 robertthibodeau: right, so I guess that was my point point. As if she's made. I mean she's got it on the screen. I guess she hasn't technically read the motion yet, but she was make no motion, and then we would second it, and then there would be a discussion on it. So if you could hang tight for second June. 556 01:26:29.500 --> 01:26:48.139 Selena Inouye: Actually, Robert, I just wanted to make the point that she's referencing in her motion in the background that there is a council file, and and it would be a lot more effective if you wanted to make this a community impact statement for the Board to consider. 557 01:26:48.150 --> 01:26:52.700 jim murez: Then it could be attached to the Council file as permanent public record. 558 01:26:52.990 --> 01:26:58.149 jim murez: That would have a tremendous amount of impact. It wouldn't just go into somebody's spam box. 559 01:26:59.210 --> 01:27:05.090 robertthibodeau: Okay, that's my that's my comment, you can consider it as you wish. You're the chair of the committee, 560 01:27:05.100 --> 01:27:13.409 robertthibodeau: and you're the maker You are going to be the maker of the motion, Selena. So if you want to amend your motion to include the Council file 561 01:27:13.570 --> 01:27:15.099 robertthibodeau: um, 562 01:27:15.170 --> 01:27:19.629 robertthibodeau: then we could make the motion possibly second it, and then 563 01:27:19.740 --> 01:27:22.690 robertthibodeau: um figure out what we're going to do with it, 564 01:27:23.170 --> 01:27:25.319 Selena Inouye: so i'll make the motion. 565 01:27:27.610 --> 01:27:29.069 robertthibodeau: You want to read it. 566 01:27:29.500 --> 01:27:46.159 Selena Inouye: So the motion is, be it resolved that the Pennsylvania Council will send a letter forthwith to L. A. Dot in Councilman Bravana's office, stating transportation projects like this should be an ongoing partnership between stakeholders and the neighborhood councils in the city, 567 01:27:46.170 --> 01:27:54.829 Selena Inouye: and the Vnc. Is the best and most direct way to communicate about these projects about projects like this with the public, and 568 01:27:54.840 --> 01:28:14.489 Selena Inouye: no transportation project of this scale and magnitude should be considered planned, implemented, or approved without the ongoing involvement, approval of the Vnc and its stakeholders. Furthermore, the letter will state that the Vnc. Will not support the Venice Boulevard. Mobility, improvement, projects 569 01:28:14.500 --> 01:28:22.509 Selena Inouye: due to the lack of discussions with Dennis stakeholders and the lack of incorporation of their input into the design of the project. 570 01:28:22.570 --> 01:28:32.639 Selena Inouye: This letter will also be submitted as a community impact statement. Cis to Council file twenty, two, zero, six, nine, four, 571 01:28:32.650 --> 01:28:48.179 Selena Inouye: and finally the letter will also be copied to Councilmember, Koretz's Office, the Palms Neighborhood Council Board, the Harvest, a Community Council Board, and the So-roe Neighborhood Council Board. All of these ncs affected by this project, too. 572 01:28:51.570 --> 01:28:59.589 robertthibodeau: Okay, You got a typo on the council file from Oh, six to eight. That's That's my only quick comment. 573 01:28:59.600 --> 01:29:00.550 Selena Inouye: Okay, 574 01:29:03.460 --> 01:29:04.490 Selena Inouye: got it? 575 01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:07.819 robertthibodeau: Okay, Do we have a second on this? 576 01:29:12.130 --> 01:29:13.190 robertthibodeau: So what The hell? 577 01:29:13.200 --> 01:29:14.139 I'll start? 578 01:29:14.150 --> 01:29:21.310 robertthibodeau: Yeah, you'll second it. Okay, Thanks. So oh! And Evan Elizabeth seconded. So you got to get that in 579 01:29:21.340 --> 01:29:22.860 robertthibodeau: the notes. So 580 01:29:24.170 --> 01:29:25.730 robertthibodeau: for discussion, 581 01:29:25.740 --> 01:29:27.289 Evan Corrigan: the lemon. Can you also send this 582 01:29:27.300 --> 01:29:28.590 Evan Corrigan: email this to me after 583 01:29:28.600 --> 01:29:33.750 Selena Inouye: for the Yes, yes, of course. That saves you some typing. Yeah, 584 01:29:34.740 --> 01:29:38.240 robertthibodeau: Um, okay, Um, 585 01:29:38.850 --> 01:29:41.160 Selena Inouye: Do we open it to public comment. 586 01:29:41.910 --> 01:29:50.360 robertthibodeau: We've had the public comment already. So now it's it's it's board comment, and then a vote. 587 01:29:50.810 --> 01:29:58.809 Evan Corrigan: So I see Evan raising his hand. So let's listen to That is this. So I see it the bottom for the board. 588 01:29:59.640 --> 01:30:02.549 Evan Corrigan: So you're already saying in this motion, where 589 01:30:02.580 --> 01:30:06.230 Evan Corrigan: letter? That the Vnc. Will not support it. 590 01:30:06.300 --> 01:30:07.510 Evan Corrigan: Is that correct? 591 01:30:09.470 --> 01:30:32.319 Selena Inouye: So. What I'm suggesting is that the Vnc. Would state that they would not support this Venice school of our mobility improved this project, due to the lack of discussion with Venice full of our State stakeholders and the incorporation of their input into the design design at this time, because those things really haven't happened. 592 01:30:33.120 --> 01:30:50.789 robertthibodeau: Robert, i'm sorry to interrupt. Um. Was this motion previously posted on on it? Only so, then, you do have to take public comment after the motion's been made. And second, very good thanks for correcting me. I was young. I was actually kind to just 593 01:30:50.800 --> 01:30:57.259 robertthibodeau: okay, and I think you also have some hands rest. I do. I have three, four, five, four. 594 01:30:57.600 --> 01:30:59.590 robertthibodeau: So in order 595 01:30:59.600 --> 01:31:01.890 Selena Inouye: you want me to stop sharing my screen, 596 01:31:02.820 --> 01:31:04.969 robertthibodeau: I think. Leave it up there. 597 01:31:04.980 --> 01:31:13.049 Selena Inouye: Okay, about that. This is what we're talking about. So, Ellen, You' to do a timer just too far. 598 01:31:13.060 --> 01:31:21.490 Evan Corrigan: Yeah, we've been running pretty long, so let's try. And Robert state who the last public comment is going to be. So you can cut it off, and people will keep raising their hands. 599 01:31:21.500 --> 01:31:22.949 robertthibodeau: Angela Mcgregor. 600 01:31:23.940 --> 01:31:27.430 robertthibodeau: Um. So, Helen, 601 01:31:27.570 --> 01:31:29.070 robertthibodeau: you're up. 602 01:31:30.060 --> 01:31:43.769 Helen Fallon: Um, yeah, I think this motion ought to go before the Board. The Palms Neighborhood Council definitely had Major Input into this. In fact, it was very clear when I went to the presentation that was made to Mar Vista that 603 01:31:43.780 --> 01:31:51.690 Helen Fallon: palms was very focused on what they needed, and comments were made. Oh, well, parking's, not a problem. People can use the structures. 604 01:31:51.760 --> 01:31:55.830 Helen Fallon: And if you look at the neighborhood councils, 605 01:31:55.840 --> 01:32:25.009 Helen Fallon: Dennis and Marvis did have good turnouts and great community involvement in electing their representatives, unlike Paul's, so to have a small group dictate to everybody else up and down that corridor. What's going to be done and have L. A. D. Or T. Go. Oh, well, you know, they just got involved. That's not a good excuse. They didn't do any outreach, and they need to do the outreach, and they're already six doing this stuff to fall up in the Palms neighborhood. They're already rescribing everything, 606 01:32:25.080 --> 01:32:28.679 Helen Fallon: doing the project. So it's as if It's done deal, 607 01:32:29.060 --> 01:32:33.349 Helen Fallon: thanks to palms. Those people wanted to turn Venice Boulevard into a park. 608 01:32:33.950 --> 01:32:36.789 robertthibodeau: Okay, thanks. Ellen. 609 01:32:36.800 --> 01:32:38.150 robertthibodeau: Um, 610 01:32:38.710 --> 01:32:41.089 robertthibodeau: Sean, you are next. 611 01:32:41.420 --> 01:32:43.460 robertthibodeau: So you are allowed to talk. 612 01:32:43.860 --> 01:33:01.740 Sean Obrien: Yeah, Hi. I want to thank Selena. She's been brilliant with all her insights on this i'm totally against all this. I agree with Helen Allen that there's been 613 01:33:01.750 --> 01:33:21.039 Sean Obrien: no outreach. Nobody knows what's going on other than the hundred. The five hundred people that they like communicated with this is detrimental to the access to the coast. And again, Washington Pico 614 01:33:21.050 --> 01:33:29.990 Sean Obrien: uh Santa Monica, Wilshire. Why are those cities involved? Those boulevards? Why? Because it's not my bonnie's jurisdiction. 615 01:33:30.000 --> 01:33:43.589 Sean Obrien: This is another f you by Mike Bonnan as he leaves office. I'm sorry. I gotta. I gotta like more more with the community. Thank you. 616 01:33:44.960 --> 01:33:48.609 robertthibodeau: Okay. And then we've got Daniel. 617 01:33:50.170 --> 01:34:00.989 Daniel Z.: Yes, I just on the what Evan was sort of stating regarding the furthermore section it just just seems like a big No um, rather than 618 01:34:01.340 --> 01:34:17.999 Daniel Z.: you know, if if there are more discussions with stakeholders and you get more, input then maybe we can go forward. It seems a little bit counter to one and two, which are like, you know, suggestions. And then it sort of just says, basically No, 619 01:34:18.360 --> 01:34:19.469 Daniel Z.: thanks. 620 01:34:21.020 --> 01:34:22.750 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you. 621 01:34:23.320 --> 01:34:25.440 robertthibodeau: And then 622 01:34:25.610 --> 01:34:28.989 robertthibodeau: Oops, my timer, 623 01:34:29.000 --> 01:34:30.340 robertthibodeau: Isabel, 624 01:34:30.410 --> 01:34:33.339 robertthibodeau: i'm going to put you up. You're allowed to talk. 625 01:34:33.880 --> 01:34:52.590 isabelle duvivier: Hi! I just wanted to say that I have actually seen this presentation a couple of times. I thought my vista for sure, and then I've seen it somewhere else, maybe because i'm a bike person, so I pay more attention to it. The other thing I wanted to mention is that the Dennis west of Lincoln Isn't impacted at all. 626 01:34:52.600 --> 01:35:10.040 isabelle duvivier: So in a way, this is really more of the Purviews Esna than it is Venice, and so I guess I'm a little surprised at the animosity that Venice feels towards the city staff for not coming here when most of Venice, Isn't really 627 01:35:10.130 --> 01:35:12.990 isabelle duvivier: impacted. Thank you. 628 01:35:13.000 --> 01:35:13.800 You. 629 01:35:14.400 --> 01:35:21.509 robertthibodeau: Okay. So that was Isabel Erica. I'm going to put you on. 630 01:35:23.830 --> 01:35:25.040 robertthibodeau: There you go. 631 01:35:25.050 --> 01:35:38.090 Erica Moore: Hi, there. Thanks so much. I want to thank you, Selena. I think this is an excellent motion. I actually um have to throw this out there because of my this location. And again, i've been here for thirty six years. I have cameras. I've watched 632 01:35:38.100 --> 01:35:57.410 Erica Moore: non-stop. I'm here many hours. Then It's Boulevard becomes a parking lot, and it does affect the other side because of people going to the beach, and what happens is, it becomes very, very slow and very bottleneck, and then crossing. I've literally been able to sell people things in their cars because they're stopped for so long. 633 01:35:57.420 --> 01:36:08.259 Erica Moore: So just throwing that out there. And thank you so much. I really hope you guys will outreach me because i'd love to invite you here to see what actually is happening right here in the spot. Thank you. 634 01:36:08.710 --> 01:36:09.790 robertthibodeau: Thanks, 635 01:36:09.800 --> 01:36:12.230 robertthibodeau: Um Angela. I'm going to put you up. 636 01:36:17.120 --> 01:36:32.050 Angela McGregor: Hi! I just wanted to correct a little something in the motion. The outreach to poems, Neighborhood Council didn't start with the Venice ad hoc Improvement Committee. In fact, it started on July the ninth, two thousand and twenty, 637 01:36:32.060 --> 01:36:39.870 Angela McGregor: with the appearance of Jay Greenstein, the pardon transportation person from Grass's office. 638 01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:59.449 Angela McGregor: Ah attended a parking and transportation committee meeting at Palm's Neighborhood Council, at which point he told them that they had already that the Cd. Five office had already spoken to the Cd. Eleven office about, and I quote Venice being a Metro Brt corridor to move buses more quickly. 639 01:36:59.460 --> 01:37:06.009 Angela McGregor: A road diet. This is in the meetings from that, the minutes from that meeting. So this project 640 01:37:06.100 --> 01:37:18.209 Angela McGregor: has actually been in in discussions with both Cd. Eleven and Cd. Five since July of June, of two thousand and twenty, which means we have two years. 641 01:37:18.220 --> 01:37:34.229 Angela McGregor: They've known, by the way, at that meeting a representative from an organization called streets for all they, the parents, their website, starting in a April of two thousand and twenty, had diagrams and images of exactly the same project, 642 01:37:34.240 --> 01:37:43.010 Angela McGregor: and I don't know why they were invited. And you guys weren't I agree with Selena. The outreach has been atrocious, 643 01:37:43.020 --> 01:37:56.510 Angela McGregor: and it goes way farther back than five months, and yes, it does impact Venice, not just because it it doesn't go west of of Lincoln Boulevard. This is 644 01:37:56.520 --> 01:38:19.520 Angela McGregor: has a profound impact, and it's. I I don't understand why the lack of outreach in light of the catastrophe that it occurred after the ah Marquis of Road Diet went into effect with little or no prior outreach, so just wanted to clarify that and let Selena know. I'm. I'm here, and I support him off. Thanks. 645 01:38:19.920 --> 01:38:23.150 robertthibodeau: Okay. Well put um. 646 01:38:23.650 --> 01:38:34.889 robertthibodeau: Jim. We've got a couple people put their hands up afterwards. I'm inclined to let them speak, even though we are taking much more time on this than we thought we were going to. You have an opinion on that. 647 01:38:34.900 --> 01:38:47.260 robertthibodeau: Um, no, that that's your call, Robert. Your chair. You can take as much time on. I'd rather I'd rather I mean people make time to come to the meeting. I'd rather let them get on here. So Kate Scanlan, 648 01:38:48.030 --> 01:38:49.219 robertthibodeau: you're up. 649 01:38:52.720 --> 01:38:54.930 kate scanlon-double: Yes, Hi, Robert, can you hear me 650 01:38:55.080 --> 01:38:56.240 robertthibodeau: again? 651 01:38:56.250 --> 01:39:09.580 kate scanlon-double: Good! And thank you for ah allowing some extra comments. Ah, yes, I just want to mention that everyone is invited to the next Ah, East-pest Neighborhood Association Meeting. We have invited L. Ah 652 01:39:09.590 --> 01:39:34.379 kate scanlon-double: to do this presentation and provide more outreach to the residents of the area that will be us. You know it's severely impacted. So I just want to mention it's next week, September twenty second at seven, thirty at Tamar Park. Oh, not next week, September twenty second, so there'll be another opportunity to spread the word which, apparently, you know, really needs to be done. 653 01:39:34.390 --> 01:39:35.560 kate scanlon-double: Thank you so much. 654 01:39:35.660 --> 01:39:36.590 robertthibodeau: Okay, 655 01:39:36.600 --> 01:39:39.169 robertthibodeau: Um. Good information. 656 01:39:39.630 --> 01:39:45.310 robertthibodeau: There was. I think that's it. Um. Eric's got his hand up. Um, 657 01:39:48.090 --> 01:39:50.559 robertthibodeau: Eric, did you want to say something else, 658 01:39:51.240 --> 01:39:53.719 robertthibodeau: or is your hand a step from the court. 659 01:39:56.120 --> 01:39:58.559 robertthibodeau: You might be muted Eric Bruins. 660 01:40:02.020 --> 01:40:03.969 robertthibodeau: I'm going to lower the hand then. 661 01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:11.880 robertthibodeau: Okay, So that's it. Now, I guess it would be additional 662 01:40:12.970 --> 01:40:14.800 robertthibodeau: board comment 663 01:40:15.750 --> 01:40:21.470 robertthibodeau: if we're going to do additional board comment. We've had some. So let's try and keep it short if we're going to talk again. 664 01:40:21.800 --> 01:40:39.120 Selena Inouye: So I just want to note that on what's on the screen there I um based on feedback. I heard I exed out some language, and I added some language to that. Furthermore, paragraph and I and um, 665 01:40:39.130 --> 01:40:42.920 Selena Inouye: i'd like to submit it as a amendment. 666 01:40:43.270 --> 01:40:44.500 robertthibodeau: Oh, sorry. 667 01:40:50.700 --> 01:40:53.280 Evan Corrigan: Continue continue on, please. 668 01:40:55.210 --> 01:40:56.599 Selena Inouye: Um, I I 669 01:40:56.760 --> 01:41:07.269 Selena Inouye: because I know um. I then you how to comment it? Does it the corrections that I've made? Does that satisfy what you were concerned about? Or do you want something different? 670 01:41:08.530 --> 01:41:09.760 Evan Corrigan: Um, 671 01:41:10.490 --> 01:41:21.890 Evan Corrigan: I mean, that sounds right in terms of this motion. I mean, the city did say that they're going to continue to outreach, and you know, meet with Ev now, and the Vnc: So 672 01:41:22.570 --> 01:41:23.639 Evan Corrigan: and 673 01:41:23.730 --> 01:41:25.660 Evan Corrigan: yeah, I guess so. 674 01:41:31.190 --> 01:41:33.649 robertthibodeau: Um, do. We have other 675 01:41:34.060 --> 01:41:41.719 Evan Corrigan: panel comments. Raise your hand if you want to talk, or Eric's hand is up now. 676 01:41:43.720 --> 01:41:45.050 robertthibodeau: Okay, 677 01:41:45.560 --> 01:41:51.340 robertthibodeau: So we've got a motion and a second um, 678 01:41:51.790 --> 01:41:55.569 robertthibodeau: And just to reiterate it, 679 01:41:55.910 --> 01:41:58.469 robertthibodeau: Silly's motion is to, 680 01:42:00.470 --> 01:42:10.199 robertthibodeau: I mean, I guess technically, we're not stating that the Vnc. Will not support. We're recommending that the Bnc. Takes a position because the Vnc. Needs to vote on whatever 681 01:42:10.460 --> 01:42:19.899 robertthibodeau: they they can take their own position separate from our board. Um. So I think this should read the letter will recommend 682 01:42:21.210 --> 01:42:28.609 robertthibodeau: that the Vnc. Not the letter, will state that the B and C. Because I don't think we can do that 683 01:42:29.370 --> 01:42:32.470 robertthibodeau: recommend, and then get rid of the word state, and then I think you're good. 684 01:42:33.830 --> 01:42:39.980 robertthibodeau: This would go. So everybody knows this. We're only a recommendation board. Whatever we do 685 01:42:40.380 --> 01:42:44.390 robertthibodeau: can then be rewritten by the Vnc. In their own process. 686 01:42:46.830 --> 01:42:47.889 Thank you. 687 01:42:48.170 --> 01:42:52.699 robertthibodeau: Um. Okay, Ah, so we've got 688 01:42:54.450 --> 01:42:55.690 robertthibodeau: Evan. 689 01:42:57.140 --> 01:42:58.289 Evan Corrigan: They come back. 690 01:42:58.300 --> 01:43:01.739 robertthibodeau: Yeah, I'll go to. Uh, 691 01:43:02.070 --> 01:43:06.109 robertthibodeau: Jim, are you? Do you vote on this your non-voting guy right? 692 01:43:08.070 --> 01:43:09.590 robertthibodeau: Hearing nothing. 693 01:43:09.740 --> 01:43:11.570 robertthibodeau: So we'll go to Elizabeth. 694 01:43:15.550 --> 01:43:18.480 elizabeth clay: Sorry I'm having technical difficulties today. 695 01:43:18.600 --> 01:43:20.460 elizabeth clay: Yes, 696 01:43:23.080 --> 01:43:27.979 robertthibodeau: did I fade out again? You're good. So Elizabeth is a Yes, 697 01:43:28.210 --> 01:43:29.670 robertthibodeau: Selena. 698 01:43:29.890 --> 01:43:31.019 Selena Inouye: Yes, 699 01:43:34.400 --> 01:43:36.959 robertthibodeau: i'm going to 700 01:43:37.450 --> 01:43:39.529 robertthibodeau: God It seems so severe. 701 01:43:41.740 --> 01:43:45.929 robertthibodeau: I guess we're only asking for. Input So i'll stay go. Yes, also. 702 01:43:48.520 --> 01:43:51.289 Evan Corrigan: Um! I'll just abstain 703 01:43:52.490 --> 01:43:55.870 Evan Corrigan: um fair enough that that's fine. 704 01:43:57.540 --> 01:44:00.790 robertthibodeau: So the motion then 705 01:44:00.940 --> 01:44:04.070 robertthibodeau: ass is three hundred and one 706 01:44:04.420 --> 01:44:08.080 robertthibodeau: to uh recommend more outreach 707 01:44:10.080 --> 01:44:12.000 robertthibodeau: and um, 708 01:44:12.230 --> 01:44:15.760 robertthibodeau: Okay, Thank you. Thank you all. And uh 709 01:44:16.120 --> 01:44:35.119 robertthibodeau: led Ot: I hope you take away that this I think that it was fairly evenly split in terms of support for your thing and people against it for various reasons. But I think really the the sort of idea that we're the last people being invited to the party. 710 01:44:35.130 --> 01:44:38.800 robertthibodeau: Maybe it's not going over too well. And um, 711 01:44:39.610 --> 01:44:48.160 robertthibodeau: you know, if you want to contact me on a way to maybe communicate with a general board, i'm having to do that all right, 712 01:44:48.240 --> 01:44:51.309 robertthibodeau: and thanks for a very good presentation 713 01:44:51.750 --> 01:44:54.570 Pamela Lee (LADOT): If you're ever having this. Thank you. 714 01:44:55.460 --> 01:45:00.500 Selena Inouye: Alright We still have, I think, one one. We're gonna 715 01:45:00.520 --> 01:45:08.760 robertthibodeau: skip all the continued items. But we're going to do the rose out. And then I think we're gonna. That'll be enough for tonight, at least for me. 716 01:45:09.340 --> 01:45:10.620 robertthibodeau: So, 717 01:45:10.850 --> 01:45:12.610 robertthibodeau: Rose, have 718 01:45:12.990 --> 01:45:17.779 robertthibodeau: I'm gonna pass this over to my co-chair, Evan and 719 01:45:18.130 --> 01:45:26.299 robertthibodeau: i'm not sure how exactly how you ended up organizing this with apparently there was was a couple of 720 01:45:26.430 --> 01:45:32.429 robertthibodeau: opinions and views. And just to say one thing is, 721 01:45:33.450 --> 01:45:44.869 robertthibodeau: we're just trying to put this committee so that people can share and have a place to communicate. And it's not about all being right or wrong on something. It's about that. 722 01:45:45.200 --> 01:45:55.699 robertthibodeau: This is a sort of a formal mode of communication, and that way things can be moved up to change to actual 723 01:45:55.710 --> 01:46:05.260 robertthibodeau: sort of public comments that get input on things. And so when we heard that there was some descent between varying in groups 724 01:46:05.290 --> 01:46:19.569 robertthibodeau: east of Lincoln. We were kind of offering up the committee as a place as a sounding board, and maybe a place that they could work out the differences, and so I understood it. Anyway, I could be wrong on this. So let's without further ado. 725 01:46:21.670 --> 01:46:30.850 Evan Corrigan: Yeah, I don't know. So there's a few different people involved in Rose Penmark, who have not 726 01:46:31.300 --> 01:46:33.400 Evan Corrigan: um Cd. Eleven 727 01:46:34.400 --> 01:46:38.200 Evan Corrigan: Eric Bruns. I think it's still here. He's been working in this project. So 728 01:46:38.440 --> 01:46:44.789 Evan Corrigan: do we want to let those groups present their their project that they've been working on. Now, 729 01:46:44.800 --> 01:47:03.249 Evan Corrigan: I think that's the way to do this, you know. Give people five minutes each. You know a couple of people wanted to present, I think again. I think you've had more communication with them than me, and maybe you can take the you know two or whatever. Three, two, three, five minutes a piece, and somebody from have not one 730 01:47:03.990 --> 01:47:05.590 Evan Corrigan: to share. First 731 01:47:08.410 --> 01:47:11.150 Evan Corrigan: I see K. To end up on my end. 732 01:47:15.610 --> 01:47:16.930 I want to. 733 01:47:18.200 --> 01:47:20.429 robertthibodeau: Okay. You should be able to 734 01:47:20.520 --> 01:47:22.880 robertthibodeau: do. You want a screen share key? 735 01:47:23.030 --> 01:47:25.840 kate scanlon-double: No, no, it's not necessary. 736 01:47:26.470 --> 01:47:28.489 robertthibodeau: Okido. Well, you're up. We can. 737 01:47:28.500 --> 01:47:36.479 robertthibodeau: Um! Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Oh, terrific um! Well, you know, I actually did not prepare any presentation. 738 01:47:36.560 --> 01:47:53.090 kate scanlon-double: Um! We just became aware that this was on your agenda. Um. So we we definitely wanted to um ask for your support for a good pathway, So that's why we're here. Um, not necessarily to 739 01:47:53.340 --> 01:47:58.420 kate scanlon-double: engage in any sort of debate, but rather just to 740 01:47:58.440 --> 01:48:16.600 kate scanlon-double: which is to kind of hopefully. And I know you're aware of it. But ah! Several months ago. What! And I cannot remember the day during Covid, where you actually ah ah! To push the city to make the property, and for those who aren't in the know. It's this pathway 741 01:48:16.610 --> 01:48:29.740 kate scanlon-double: for your listeners. I know you all know the the pathway around the Penmark golf course, which has been closed for some time now due to the removal of an encampment and a fence went up to, 742 01:48:29.750 --> 01:48:47.890 kate scanlon-double: and then subsequently, the city was busy making a plan to improve that pathway which had previously been a dirt pathway, which, if you're an invasion, Dennis, for any amount of time, I think you're aware of it. We used to jog on by the totally recreational. 743 01:48:47.900 --> 01:48:49.389 kate scanlon-double: So um 744 01:48:49.420 --> 01:49:04.019 Evan Corrigan: Ah, anyway. Well, i'm Kate Stanlin double on the forty-year resident events. I'm a board member of the East Venice Neighborhood Association, and I can speak to some of the elements that are key to the rest of the restaurants. 745 01:49:04.220 --> 01:49:06.559 kate scanlon-double: How is that feedback? Is that Okay? 746 01:49:06.650 --> 01:49:25.870 robertthibodeau: Ah, key to the restoration of the path. And um! While there are various interests that you alluded to involved in the reconstruction of the pathway, I think we are all united in the goal of getting the best path possible, though our approach is making 747 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:45.520 kate scanlon-double: um. Firstly, um in ah evidence negotiations with the city. We have stressed the importance of maintaining protection for the rebuild pathway for the community's enjoyment and their safety. Ah! But so far the city has says, it can't guarantee that it will protect against encampments. 748 01:49:45.730 --> 01:49:49.389 kate scanlon-double: Evna also supports a land, transfer the 749 01:49:49.400 --> 01:50:03.449 kate scanlon-double: Oh, and that's where I was going with your involvement. Evna has also supports the land transfer from the La Street Department to the departments of Parks and Wreck, because the Park and wreck does enforce anti-enchantment rules. 750 01:50:03.650 --> 01:50:18.679 kate scanlon-double: Um However, Cd. Eleven has said, it will keep the property secure until construction begins. So while that has been tabled, that request and no application has yet been filed for the transfer of land. 751 01:50:18.690 --> 01:50:37.599 kate scanlon-double: Ah, that might insurance protection a bit better than Ah, it being part of the streets Department um that has not moved forward. But the Cd. Eleven has promised that. Yes, the fences will stay up until the reconstruction of the pathway begins, and that's i'm sorry that's the remembrance I was trying to get to you folks that 752 01:50:37.610 --> 01:50:54.620 kate scanlon-double: you had supported that land transfer several months ago and written a motion about that. So thank you. So. Secondly, we are advocating that the city not use concrete and pour a sidewalk on this rustic trail. 753 01:50:54.630 --> 01:51:05.889 kate scanlon-double: Now what you're showing right now on screen. I'm not sure who plans. They are at some of those um bushes and plants. I'm not sure if they're the city suggestions or not, but at any rate ah! 754 01:51:05.900 --> 01:51:12.639 Evan Corrigan: These are the plans shared by the city on May for the latest. 755 01:51:13.430 --> 01:51:29.639 kate scanlon-double: Oh, um! We actually had a meeting with them on May twenty second, I believe. But anyway, while i'm talking, it might be best to just hold them, because it might confuse folks. Um. Secondly, we're advocating the city not to use concrete when you see their concrete 756 01:51:29.650 --> 01:51:46.060 kate scanlon-double: and we're aggregating them not for a sidewalk, because it's a rustic trail. It's always had a park like setting, and it's been difficult to get the city to understand that the path is, and actually has been for decades a source of recreation, you know, walking, jog and running 757 01:51:46.070 --> 01:51:59.119 kate scanlon-double: for the entire community, and has historically never been thought of or used solely as a traditional sidewalk. Let me point out there is a traditional sidewalk on the south side of 758 01:51:59.130 --> 01:52:16.269 kate scanlon-double: now the city. However, they mark this as a sidewalk, and the city has resisted pleas for maintaining the path with natural permeable materials, such as an Ada approved decomposed granite or Dg. As it's properly known, and 759 01:52:16.280 --> 01:52:22.599 kate scanlon-double: this material is in use on other recreational paths in both the city and the county. Currently. 760 01:52:22.610 --> 01:52:30.790 kate scanlon-double: Okay, it's It's so you can see that the Natural History Museum, Albu Park. You can see it. Hello! Around the Brentwood Country Club. 761 01:52:30.860 --> 01:52:40.839 kate scanlon-double: Now, a lot of times. What triggers ah! And what we've been told would trigger the pavement. The paving of this is that there's a city planned project on the street. 762 01:52:40.850 --> 01:52:59.090 kate scanlon-double: So it's like Well, it's always been on paper as a sidewalk, but we never get to it until we decide to do something on the street, and now we have to get to it because we need to be ada compliant. However, there are pathways that are used for recreational purposes elsewhere in the city, 763 01:52:59.100 --> 01:53:06.090 kate scanlon-double: and again, La Rivers, one of them that are for recreation, as we say this is, and historically has been, 764 01:53:06.100 --> 01:53:19.510 kate scanlon-double: and we want that recognized. And so I think then their decision wouldn't be so hard to make to use a permeable surface. Now. Um, Kevin, I think you said May Fourth. Well, we saw this plan May twenty second, 765 01:53:19.520 --> 01:53:28.319 kate scanlon-double: and they did introduce a new material, saying, Well, okay, there's an alternate. There's a permeable concrete 766 01:53:28.330 --> 01:53:46.440 kate scanlon-double: which will be easier on runner's feet, et cetera, and that you know it has a pebble-like surface, and it's more comfortable. However, even they acknowledged, and Eric is here, and so he he remembers that he acknowledged that that surface itself would become clogged with dirt over time, 767 01:53:46.450 --> 01:54:00.939 kate scanlon-double: and that it would lose its permeable benefits, which the benefits of herbal surface is to filtrate water for water filtration, and so when it loses its porosity, 768 01:54:00.950 --> 01:54:13.260 kate scanlon-double: and then it's just like poured regular concrete. You know it's no longer permeable, concrete. So it's so you know it. It It loses its um, it's it's um 769 01:54:13.610 --> 01:54:23.129 kate scanlon-double: it's relevant, you know, as a permeable surface, and it really isn't the answer, and also 770 01:54:23.560 --> 01:54:40.669 kate scanlon-double: um. Eric said quite quite clearly that the city would not be maintaining the path, so in other words, it will get clocked. It won't be clean that won't happen so it will become in essence a concrete, a fully concrete sidewalk at some time in the near future. 771 01:54:40.680 --> 01:54:46.709 kate scanlon-double: Now the city is this The thing right, guys. The city has green policies in place. 772 01:54:46.880 --> 01:54:56.990 kate scanlon-double: It's of dire importance that they optimize. I think every city project to improve our environment and mitigate negative climate consequences. 773 01:54:57.000 --> 01:55:09.289 kate scanlon-double: I mean, they have policies. They need to unwind their policies, their projects, and the projects implementation. We, I guess, are coming to you to ask you to push the city to support the implementation 774 01:55:09.300 --> 01:55:13.290 kate scanlon-double: of a climate-friendly pathway that uses no concrete. 775 01:55:13.300 --> 01:55:32.089 kate scanlon-double: And just briefly, you know, we collected over one thousand six hundred signatures in person and online. We went door to door asking for just that, And and and neighbors and residents overall agree. Those one thousand six hundred signatures. In fact, we had two thousand flyers that we went door to door, 776 01:55:32.100 --> 01:55:39.159 kate scanlon-double: disturbing, asking folks to sign the petition and We got in-person signatures we went to. 777 01:55:39.170 --> 01:55:53.690 kate scanlon-double: We did a lot of outreach. We went to events in Venice. We went to the Pop-up that Western Kobe shop, went to the Easter event. At Pemmer Park we went to the Upward Street festival. We talked at two bird and tree walls that 778 01:55:53.700 --> 01:56:08.670 kate scanlon-double: Dennis hosted, and also at a tree work. Walk in the Western, my vista area because they have access to. You know It's just adjacent to to Walgrove. So. And then, importantly, we call two general meetings, 779 01:56:08.680 --> 01:56:14.089 robertthibodeau: so that we could present to the community. So thank you very much. 780 01:56:14.100 --> 01:56:17.589 kate scanlon-double: Good climate, adaptable project. Thank you. 781 01:56:17.600 --> 01:56:19.940 Evan Corrigan: Sounds good, and did um 782 01:56:20.320 --> 01:56:22.980 robertthibodeau: did. Uh? Well, 783 01:56:23.190 --> 01:56:28.409 Evan Corrigan: let's see here in attendees. I think I am one, two percent uh 784 01:56:29.700 --> 01:56:31.820 Evan Corrigan: from Rose Penmar. 785 01:56:33.040 --> 01:56:34.139 Okay, 786 01:56:36.080 --> 01:56:39.239 Evan Corrigan: something you want to raise. Oh, yeah, 787 01:56:44.710 --> 01:56:50.509 Evan Corrigan: Did you want me to allow Devin to talk. Can you promote her? Yeah, Allow her to present 788 01:56:51.060 --> 01:56:56.390 robertthibodeau: um devin You're now out to talk. You want to present as well. 789 01:56:56.400 --> 01:56:58.579 Yes, please, I have a presentation. 790 01:56:59.460 --> 01:57:01.929 robertthibodeau: I'm a panelist. Very good. You're up. 791 01:57:11.550 --> 01:57:14.019 Devon Guerra: You let me show my camera. 792 01:57:15.430 --> 01:57:20.359 Devon Guerra: Hi, everybody! I'm devin and let me share my screen 793 01:57:27.820 --> 01:57:30.920 Devon Guerra: my apologies. I'm not super used to zoom, 794 01:57:31.020 --> 01:57:34.630 Devon Guerra: and so I want to make sure i'm doing this right. Give me one second. 795 01:57:35.260 --> 01:57:36.300 If we don't 796 01:57:38.290 --> 01:57:40.790 Devon Guerra: all right. You guys can see my screen correct. 797 01:57:40.800 --> 01:57:44.690 robertthibodeau: You're doing perfect. Yes, I meet present as a slideshow. 798 01:57:44.700 --> 01:57:45.620 Devon Guerra: Okay, 799 01:57:46.240 --> 01:58:14.160 Devon Guerra: so hi everybody. My name is Stephen Garra, and I am part of the Rose Penmar Community Group, and we wanted to make sure that you had a presentation from the group. Who um has been working with Bonnet's office for nearly two years now on um this project, and working with retail and Cd. Eleven. And so we wanted to make sure that we were sharing the most up to date and accurate information. Um! With this committee and all the customers. 800 01:58:14.760 --> 01:58:35.470 Devon Guerra: So um i'll start by introducing us. Um, we. Who So who is this? Rose Penmar Community group? Um. So we are the group of neighbors who live on streets adjacent to this rose ten of our path, including streets like Um, All up and down rose Portland, Indiana, Lavon, and the surrounding community. 801 01:58:35.480 --> 01:58:40.730 Devon Guerra: We worked very closely with Cd. Eleven during the events leading up to 802 01:58:40.740 --> 01:59:03.890 Devon Guerra: through and beyond the inaugural encampments to home projects. So we were the group who initially began working with one In's office. Um. On trying to address the issues we were having along the road path Um, which led to the encountered stones. Project um, and we've now been working for nearly two years on the city. Uh with the city um to the eleven and street delay on the 803 01:59:03.900 --> 01:59:13.799 Devon Guerra: Our group consists of about fifteen people in our immediate community, who also regularly gather input from other neighbors surrounding the project plans. 804 01:59:14.410 --> 01:59:29.539 Devon Guerra: I wanted to give you all a little bit of a timeline. Just so everyone understands what has happened over the past two years. So in October of two thousand and twenty, it's kind of hard to believe It's been almost two years now, but Rose Penmore, and countenance to Home's project was completed, 805 01:59:29.550 --> 01:59:59.380 Devon Guerra: and the past fence was directed. Um! And then in December of two thousand and twenty um. Our community group had our first of many, many meetings, the Cd. Eleven and Streets L. A. About the project project design. So these meetings are still occurring now in the fall of twenty-two, and throughout the entire time um that team about a year into the Project plan in September two thousand and twenty-one Cd. Eleven, asks um the Spanish Neighborhood Association to assist with clutching support 806 01:59:59.390 --> 02:00:14.570 Devon Guerra: a major community Input outside of our media neighborhood and input was collected via three different community meetings that of the hosted one in October of two thousand and twenty one. Then, shortly after, in December and another, this past June 807 02:00:14.580 --> 02:00:35.480 Devon Guerra: um and Um input was collected via those meetings, and then also um, you know V as some outreach um to, you know. Urge the community to um. You know. Kind of push the envelope a little bit with the project, and they do what they want it. Um! And that input was shared with Cd eleven and 808 02:00:35.490 --> 02:00:53.940 Devon Guerra: in May of two thousand and twenty-two. The La City Council approved funding for the project at two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, and then in August of two thousand and twenty two we had our most recent meeting with Cd. Eleven um where we um received the final concept for the past um 809 02:00:53.950 --> 02:01:23.809 Devon Guerra: which addressed constituent concerns, so I know that he was talking about signatures collected around a petition to make sure the past state um, using sort of natural materials as much as possible, and some other concerns. So we had brought all of that to um Cd. Eleven and Street la! And in the meeting on August and in May, and then in August we had a final concept that address those concerns as much as possible. Um. In August our community group also did 810 02:01:23.820 --> 02:01:42.209 Devon Guerra: to the neighborhoods that are immediately adjacent to this past project to show them the plans and make sure everybody saw them, and we have collected. Well, I think we're at about one hundred and twenty five plus signatures right now of support for the final plan from households who are adjacent to products. 811 02:01:42.220 --> 02:01:58.549 Devon Guerra: Um, according to um cd eleven streets. La. The projected project start. Date is in November, and it will have been a full two years post planning, so it's been going on for a long time, and the project has a twelve to eighteen month completion timeline. 812 02:01:59.290 --> 02:02:12.430 Devon Guerra: So I wanted to just share what the constituent some of the constituent concerns were, and how the project plans addressed them. So one is. We wanted the main to maintain a natural feel to the past. 813 02:02:12.440 --> 02:02:21.509 Devon Guerra: So Cd. Eleven and streets La compromised on designing a meandering path, and I'm going to show you some visuals of this in a second, 814 02:02:21.520 --> 02:02:39.919 Devon Guerra: but a meandering pathway, and they agreed to make it from that permeable material most recently, so already the issue of there being a concrete sidewalk has been addressed. There is no longer a concrete sidewalk as part of the plants. And so it was that 815 02:02:39.930 --> 02:03:07.630 Devon Guerra: as permeal permeable chorus copy material that is going to be implemented into pathway design, Um, and it can be colored. We've been told to maintain an appearance similar to Dt. The reason that Dg. Was not able to be used is because it was vetoed by the city's Aba Coordinator. There's actually been some sense of discussion about the use of Dg. And streets. La and Cd. Eleven has explained to us why on this particular path project. It's not possibility. 816 02:03:07.640 --> 02:03:22.619 Devon Guerra: And um it's not that they haven't put in their due diligence. So I don't think, to get Sdg: but the city's Ada, because coordinator has said that it is not appropriate for this space. 817 02:03:23.150 --> 02:03:24.160 Speak 818 02:03:24.800 --> 02:03:29.400 Evan Corrigan: it's muted. 819 02:03:30.430 --> 02:03:31.590 Evan Corrigan: Okay, 820 02:03:31.600 --> 02:03:49.189 robertthibodeau: I don't. I could go into Why, that I don't have time I don't want to. We can talk about why, maybe if they want to give me a little more time. But I or I can let that's. Um, yeah, i'm sorry. You know the muting. Sometimes I try and go through and unmute people when they're done talking. But 821 02:03:49.200 --> 02:03:55.289 Erica Moore: yes, sorry, guys, I did not know I was. 822 02:03:55.300 --> 02:04:24.589 Devon Guerra: That's okay. So there, There's reason, I mean, it would take a while to find the reasons why. But in the end Um, I think the city's eighty, eight coordinator on pathway. Um. So we wanted the pathway to be surrounded on both sides by trees and native plants, which they did incorporate into the plan, and then one they've been for us, but they will be what wasn't in the original plans And now is the addition, of twenty-seven nutries. One will have great project plus protection for the fourteen existing metro trees. 823 02:04:24.770 --> 02:04:32.219 Devon Guerra: Some concerns were around native and drought, tolerant pants, and so the city has revised their plant palette to use these 824 02:04:32.230 --> 02:05:01.999 Devon Guerra: kind of planting, and then there were concerns from the residents on Rose about the protective bike lanes of the bollards, and so the city did acquiesce to agree to not have a protected bike lane. It's protected by a painted buffer, but not a natural buffer. On the south side of rows between Frederick and Penmar. In front of the residences and on the north side of Rose. They agree to install a planted bike lane, Median, between Frederick and Penmar in move of bowlers, in order to maintain the aesthetic of the 825 02:05:02.010 --> 02:05:03.279 Devon Guerra: the writers. 826 02:05:04.360 --> 02:05:18.719 Devon Guerra: See, there are some visuals, so I wanted to kind of explain. When I refer to the meandering pathway, you can see that the pathway here isn't just a straight line in this first picture, but it actually sort of weaves between the plantings on both sides. 827 02:05:18.730 --> 02:05:44.109 Devon Guerra: This is a picture of the permeable material that will be used, and I pulled this picture on the far right from Echo Cart Lake, because I thought it was a really good visual for people to see of the difference between concrete and this permeable pathway material. A pyramid of benches is concrete, and down here, down steps is that permeable, happy material? I know that while 828 02:05:44.290 --> 02:06:04.900 Devon Guerra: yes, over time the Premiership permeable material may sort of get clogs. I know that at Echo Park Lake this stuff was um installed over a decade ago, and um, according to our rooms, has not been maintained, and it's still functioning as it should. So it's been a decade of you, said Echo Park Lake, and the and the material is still up to things, 829 02:06:04.910 --> 02:06:20.269 Devon Guerra: you can see the protection for the trees again. Imagine this permeable surface rather than sidewalk in these renderings, but protection for the trees where they are existing already on the pathway. And then here's just a plant palette, and we've also been told that um 830 02:06:20.280 --> 02:06:27.460 Devon Guerra: this gray could be colored like a tan, so that it sort of simulates that more natural feel of a nature path. 831 02:06:27.690 --> 02:06:48.249 Devon Guerra: Um, I just want to share with everybody that um this cities that there is support for the project from the Rose Time market. The city's proposed plan is a compromise that meets our goals, of the preserving the natural feel of the path, adding additional trees and criteria and incorporating bike lanes that respect the aesthetics of the area. 832 02:06:48.260 --> 02:06:58.370 Devon Guerra: The rose-penmar residents understand and accept that there are ada and infrastructure limitations on the design, and that the city has gone out of its way to get as close to our goals as they can, 833 02:06:58.380 --> 02:07:17.310 Devon Guerra: and the Rosa-penmark Community group has canvassed our neighborhood adjacent to the project and overwhelmingly The neighborhood likes to design and secret to these products start on time as planned. I've been door to door myself, and every single person in my community that I've talked to is ready for this project to start in a support with the plans as they are. 834 02:07:17.990 --> 02:07:34.840 Devon Guerra: I just want to. I'm. I'll be done in like one minute. But in response to continued concerns, so concern number one. The city has not honored our request for Gg: Um. Well, I will say that, you know, while i'm not always the biggest fan of of Cd. Eleven. Um. I'll just put that out there and start 835 02:07:34.850 --> 02:07:48.700 Devon Guerra: for this project. It has been a highly collaborative project, and Cd. Eleven has been extremely responsive to our needs. I have to give it up to all of the different project managers that have worked on this project. Now it's their ruins, 836 02:07:48.710 --> 02:08:08.109 Devon Guerra: and they have been really responsive to our requests, only saying, No, when they've really done their due diligence. Moving forward, they have also, after they found out that they could not offer. Dg: They did offer an acceptable alternative. That is not a huge sidewalk. And so the final designs are the results of two years of community collaboration and compromise on both parts, 837 02:08:08.170 --> 02:08:28.040 Devon Guerra: and then concern number two is that other groups have provided designs that they say are better than the city's defines. And so, while alternative visions for the path have been produced by other groups, such as the idea of whitening the entire area for the path, and of having a percent Bike Lane. Those 838 02:08:28.050 --> 02:08:41.609 Devon Guerra: other alternate plans are not supported by the neighborhood. That idea of widening the real estate on the path is not supported by the immediate neighborhood, and it's also not within the step of the budget for the project. And so, while those alternative signs are well, intentions, 839 02:08:41.620 --> 02:08:55.710 Devon Guerra: they're really not realistic to implement at this time. And so i'd just like to leave you guys with some pictures of from our community's perspective. And when I say our community, I mean Rose Penmark and the people who live adjacent to this path. 840 02:08:55.720 --> 02:09:23.010 Devon Guerra: Um, And you know, or this is our our immediate community. That We live in twenty four-seven where we were, versus where we can be. So, while we like to have this ideal view of what the path needs to be. Like. The truth is that it it, while it was great to have a dirt path, the city didn't maintain it, and it's quite overrun, and Ontario in a lot of places, and I've lived on Rose for forty-five years, so I've been here to see the path and all of its different iterations. 841 02:09:23.020 --> 02:09:38.140 Devon Guerra: And then, of course, we had the path inaccessible for quite a long time, due to the presence of an encampment, and all of the dangers that came along with that, and I inspired a picture just a little bit sensational, but I wanted to include it. And then here's where we could be 842 02:09:38.280 --> 02:09:47.349 Devon Guerra: right. So this is beautiful. This is a beautiful design, and if you especially if you imagine it with that permeable material, and our community is quite pleased with it. 843 02:09:48.800 --> 02:09:50.040 And i'm done. 844 02:09:50.050 --> 02:09:54.559 robertthibodeau: Okay. Thank you. That was an impressive presentation, 845 02:09:55.270 --> 02:09:57.840 Evan Corrigan: Evan. Are we done with presentations? 846 02:09:57.850 --> 02:10:03.439 Evan Corrigan: Yes, I think so, Eric. If you want to say anything, or we can go to comment. 847 02:10:04.180 --> 02:10:08.929 Evan Corrigan: Oh, there's there allowed to talk. Here you go, 848 02:10:10.560 --> 02:10:24.299 Eric Bruins (CD11): hey? Others say, by the way, that I did not have permission to talk earlier when I was called on, and so I wasn't able to say anything on the previous discussion. I apologize. I hit the button several times. I'm not sure why that didn't, 849 02:10:24.370 --> 02:10:40.619 Eric Bruins (CD11): Anyway, that's all right. So with this project, I don't have very much to add. Kate and Devin really kind of frame. The issues very nicely. I think we're kind of at a decision point on this project 850 02:10:40.630 --> 02:11:05.249 Eric Bruins (CD11): we have through quite a long process. I've really gone to bat against the the city agencies to get as close to the the vision that was articulated by both Evna and the Development group as as as as possible, and I feel like we have are coming to the community with the best version of what the city can realistically offer. 851 02:11:05.260 --> 02:11:34.509 Eric Bruins (CD11): Um, and so, um! With that, you know, I think that I, I have a I have a matrix in in front of me that basically says, Here's the Here's the thing that was asked for. Here's how we addressed it. And we're really looking at, you know, probably seven or eight different discrete comments of which we've been able to deliver um everything on about five of them, one of them still in progress, and one of them is really boils down to um. Is this: Is this permeable uh concrete 852 02:11:34.520 --> 02:11:36.230 material acceptable? 853 02:11:36.240 --> 02:11:56.909 Eric Bruins (CD11): And I understand that I think not. Very many people are excited about this material because I do wish that we could get closer to the Gpg. But the the Ada requirements are something that it is a call that is made by a professional who has a lot of responsibility in the city. 854 02:11:56.920 --> 02:12:25.630 Eric Bruins (CD11): Um and I have literally walked around with her, looking at different pathway materials that we have, and which one would be approved today, and this one wouldn't and um, you know she was, had not been familiar with the the formula concrete of those. So we took a site. Visit Um! We walked on it. She literally like got down with a magnifying glass like, picked it, picked at it, and see whether it would meet the the Ada requirements. Um! And I was pleasantly surprised that she was she like. 855 02:12:25.660 --> 02:12:47.959 Eric Bruins (CD11): And so based on that, that's what we propose. I really do think this is our best final offer, and I think that you know, absent this project, we would be in a position where we would have to, you know. Talk about what a no project scenario looks like, and I think that that's it something that I've heard that both the Rose Avenue Group and Evna said They don't want, 856 02:12:47.970 --> 02:12:56.589 Eric Bruins (CD11): but we are at the point where That is the alternative to what moving forward with what is currently proposed. So i'll leave it there. 857 02:12:56.600 --> 02:12:59.470 robertthibodeau: Thanks. Eric. Um. 858 02:13:00.100 --> 02:13:10.560 robertthibodeau: Okay, Because we kind of doubled up on the stuff last time. Do we make a motion this time, Jim, and then allow public comment. 859 02:13:10.620 --> 02:13:11.389 robertthibodeau: What do we do? 860 02:13:11.400 --> 02:13:40.309 jim murez: If you have a motion that you want to make um, you should make the motion, have it second to take public comment. And then, after the public comment, If you then discuss it, and you want to modify the motion, you would have to open the the public comment back up to the modified motion, but only to address the modifications. So anybody that was speaking off topic, it could very quickly shut it down. And you know you can allow something like thirty seconds for somebody to speak to 861 02:13:40.320 --> 02:13:42.599 jim murez: that modified period. 862 02:13:43.230 --> 02:13:47.630 robertthibodeau: I mean, I think we should make a motion to to support Devon's. 863 02:13:47.990 --> 02:13:56.589 robertthibodeau: So yeah, it can be a blanket. It can just be a blanket motion like support the project as presented, and then you open it up for public comment. 864 02:13:56.600 --> 02:14:15.190 robertthibodeau: Can we ask Devin? Can I ask one question first, which is, does the There was some question about the ownership of the property that seemed fairly important with the evidence. Speaker Kate, at the beginning, Is it proposed when this project one 865 02:14:15.200 --> 02:14:18.669 robertthibodeau: is going to be finished, that it's going to be maintained 866 02:14:18.700 --> 02:14:24.960 robertthibodeau: by parks and wreck, or by uh, la! Whoever maintains the streets 867 02:14:25.490 --> 02:14:41.290 robertthibodeau: so right now the the the land transfer, which is what you're talking about. So the land transfer of the path to from streets. Ah, la! To parks and rack, or, you know, is in something that's been on the table for 868 02:14:41.520 --> 02:14:55.869 Devon Guerra: two years. Now there was actually a motion that was approved by La City Council to explore the land parcels and do a preliminary survey about the feasibility of doing something like that. 869 02:14:55.880 --> 02:15:01.550 Devon Guerra: Um and Bonin did say that he supported it, and it should be easy. But then it never happened, 870 02:15:01.560 --> 02:15:31.160 robertthibodeau: and it's been sort of hard to get information about the status of the land transfer. It is a sticking point. It is something our community wants something. I have no one that is in the agreement. But we've been told that that will be something that is transferred to the upcoming. See the next city council elected, but the next City council person, and so on, and has said his office will give them everything that they need, and will recommend that they follow through with it. But that 871 02:15:31.170 --> 02:15:42.069 Devon Guerra: Cd. Eleven hit, and or his Administration is not going to do it themselves. And so both Aaron Darling and Tracy Park have indicated a commitment to pursuing that. 872 02:15:42.080 --> 02:15:58.669 Devon Guerra: Um, So we're told that it's something that will happen once the project is sort of under way and started, and all coming to completion, that then they will discuss having the land transferred to the parks and rack and work around that, 873 02:15:58.680 --> 02:16:04.890 robertthibodeau: Eric. I saw that your hand was still up, Or did you want to comment on this, or was it just up from before 874 02:16:04.900 --> 02:16:16.299 Eric Bruins (CD11): I was something it was from before. But I can also provide a lot more context. The project is being designed in such a way that it is within either reckon parks or streets La's ability to maintain it. 875 02:16:16.310 --> 02:16:45.069 Eric Bruins (CD11): Um! So I think, in terms of the we can kind of separate the construction from the uh from from the maintenance and operation. Question Um, we're at a point now where, uh, we have ninety-one days left, and it would actually be because it would be bureaucratically impossible to accomplish the land. Transfer um before the end of our term, and so my commitment to to Devon um has been that we would leave the the decision in a in a place where it 876 02:16:45.100 --> 02:17:01.909 Eric Bruins (CD11): uh the exploration has started and the the steps are in place, or the the processes in place so that it can be completed. You know we What we want to do is is transition this project to our successor uh seamlessly, because, you know we've. We've been uh part of this 877 02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:12.270 Eric Bruins (CD11): this project for so long that we want to make sure that the transfer is smooth, and that's one of the That will be one of the decisions that gets made. Post December the twelfth. 878 02:17:13.520 --> 02:17:16.210 Evan Corrigan: Okay, thanks for that. Um. 879 02:17:16.219 --> 02:17:18.339 Evan Corrigan: Some more questions. Just two more. 880 02:17:19.010 --> 02:17:20.520 Evan Corrigan: Um. 881 02:17:20.830 --> 02:17:38.659 Evan Corrigan: The path material. I understand there's new eighty eight rules that probably weren't in place when this path was originally graded, so that that path material that you know you said you would use. How long generally does it stay permeable? That's something I got a lot of, 882 02:17:39.420 --> 02:17:40.590 and 883 02:17:40.730 --> 02:17:41.990 Evan Corrigan: would you know that 884 02:17:42.000 --> 02:18:03.159 Eric Bruins (CD11): it? It depends on a lot of local conditions, because the the way in which it becomes impermeable over time is is basically just loose. Start and sediment settling into it, because basically. What you can imagine is, it is instead of a tight, concrete surface that is very, very flat. 885 02:18:03.170 --> 02:18:30.649 Eric Bruins (CD11): It is more of like bound gravel where the the ferocity comes from the size of the gravel, the the density of the binding, and they they don't, then finish it by filling in all of those cores, and so over time sediment does does fill in It's going to be like, you know. If it were, for example, an adjacent to a truck route where you had a lot of dirt kind of kicked up from a roadway and settling on on the path. Then it would still have been faster 886 02:18:30.660 --> 02:18:49.239 Eric Bruins (CD11): if you're talking about a setting like Rose, where it is more like a collector street. You don't have a lot of truck. Traffic is actually set back from the roadway because of the effective bike lane and the landscape buffer. All of those reasons would be reasons why it would be likely to not fill in that quickly. 887 02:18:49.250 --> 02:19:16.320 Eric Bruins (CD11): Um. And even you know, I think, what we're the the real benefit of this that I think, is that is closer to the aesthetic vision of of the community, which is, you know, a material that does it that isn't that hard urban concrete. And even if the the ferocity diminishes over time, first of all, it won't, it won't completely. Go away. It just gets reduced, and, second of all, the aesthetic that the community is really after, which is that this is not as hack 888 02:19:16.330 --> 02:19:23.790 Evan Corrigan: is, will be maintained regardless of the technical function of the permeable concrete. 889 02:19:23.799 --> 02:19:25.989 Evan Corrigan: Let's Yeah, that for sure, that makes sense. 890 02:19:26.000 --> 02:19:37.810 Evan Corrigan: The other question I got from Excuse me, members the trees um, So I think twenty-seven trees Can those be bigger trees I think the species I saw on that 891 02:19:37.820 --> 02:19:39.730 Evan Corrigan: presentation. We're kind of like 892 02:19:39.750 --> 02:19:42.260 Evan Corrigan: twenty ish feet high. 893 02:19:42.750 --> 02:19:46.700 Evan Corrigan: Um! Is that something that you guys talked about? 894 02:19:47.510 --> 02:20:16.640 Eric Bruins (CD11): I'll just say that our direction to shoes L. A has been the biggest. I guess there's two ways you can talk about big trees. One is the species. How How tall, how big does the species get, and two is what size is the tree when you actually plant on day one? They've they've done studies that you know the the bigger trees don't. Necessarily, you know, five, seven years out are necessarily bigger when you when you pair them, you know, like twenty four inch box, or what have you? Um, it has that has more to do with the house. 895 02:20:16.650 --> 02:20:45.729 Eric Bruins (CD11): Happy the tree is in place, and sometimes the more immature trees actually do better. But in terms of species appropriateness. We have directed satellite to basically get as big as you can fit in the space. And one of the cool things is because right away. We're talking about It kind of is like ten or more feet Y and the pathway meanders. You can kind of create these much bigger tree boxes, and you would necessarily see 896 02:20:45.740 --> 02:21:01.429 Eric Bruins (CD11): in a more constrained sidewalk like we've talked about like a Lincoln boulevard where you have utility lines, and you have the and you have, you know, very, very tight tree wells and narrow sidewalks. So i'm. I'm optimistic that we can do it really do right in terms of our tree species selection at this location. 897 02:21:01.900 --> 02:21:02.949 Thank you. 898 02:21:03.300 --> 02:21:09.720 Evan Corrigan: And then the last one. So it's kind of a them of the road, if I understand it's all or nothing. 899 02:21:11.510 --> 02:21:15.579 Eric Bruins (CD11): Yeah. I mean, there there is not a way to 900 02:21:15.590 --> 02:21:31.579 Eric Bruins (CD11): get to the Dv path, and I I feel confident that we have accommodated every other piece of physical feedback and come as close on the material as we we can actually deliver. So at this point it really is. Go or or go 901 02:21:33.590 --> 02:21:34.650 appreciate it. 902 02:21:37.060 --> 02:21:41.520 robertthibodeau: Okay, um do. Are we making a motion? 903 02:21:41.560 --> 02:21:43.120 robertthibodeau: Can I make a motion? 904 02:21:44.240 --> 02:21:50.789 robertthibodeau: And then we'll take public comment. So i'd like to make a motion to support. The 905 02:21:50.960 --> 02:21:53.659 robertthibodeau: the project is presented, 906 02:21:53.830 --> 02:21:55.640 robertthibodeau: and um, 907 02:21:56.570 --> 02:21:58.070 i'll second it. 908 02:21:59.740 --> 02:22:04.890 robertthibodeau: Okay. So let's open it to public um, which 909 02:22:06.290 --> 02:22:14.520 robertthibodeau: we've got, and we're gonna because skin late. I'm gonna set a timer guys. So we're gonna set this to two minutes. 910 02:22:16.610 --> 02:22:18.119 robertthibodeau: Let's do that, 911 02:22:20.040 --> 02:22:21.289 and it's. 912 02:22:21.300 --> 02:22:24.100 Evan Corrigan: I'll see one minute. Got a lot of 913 02:22:24.170 --> 02:22:29.340 robertthibodeau: It's It's committee meeting. Let's do you two. There's not that many people. 914 02:22:29.640 --> 02:22:31.609 robertthibodeau: So I've got 915 02:22:33.290 --> 02:22:42.320 robertthibodeau: one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. We're going to end with A. Tim. That's how you pronounce it. 916 02:22:43.130 --> 02:22:46.549 robertthibodeau: Yeah. And, Jim, you'll be in there, too. 917 02:22:46.790 --> 02:22:49.019 robertthibodeau: I've got E: 918 02:22:49.510 --> 02:22:52.470 robertthibodeau: That's M. A. H. 919 02:22:53.820 --> 02:22:55.650 robertthibodeau: The H. 920 02:22:56.060 --> 02:22:57.780 robertthibodeau: And J: 921 02:22:58.100 --> 02:22:59.340 robertthibodeau: Okay. 922 02:22:59.360 --> 02:23:00.679 robertthibodeau: There I go 923 02:23:01.560 --> 02:23:03.670 robertthibodeau: past you and you 924 02:23:04.650 --> 02:23:17.580 Erica Moore: Hi, there! First of all. Thank you so much for the presentation. I really want to support this. I actually am an adjacent neighbor, i'm on Lake and Lyndon, and I never was outreach to, but and I do travel 925 02:23:17.590 --> 02:23:21.090 Erica Moore: on my bike on on that path to be often 926 02:23:21.100 --> 02:23:40.070 Erica Moore: every week. But I want to support this, but I'm really concerned about the gravel, and it's not because necessarily the aesthetic i'm concerned about the gravel, because i'm concerned about the water being able to permeate the gravel and the concern about this. We're talking about a negative climate 927 02:23:40.080 --> 02:23:54.660 Erica Moore: impact. That's what's really the concern. It's not just. Oh, I want it to look good. I don't want it to see a big concrete fl, but beyond that we have to think about the rainbow we have to think about. Where does that run off? Go? We needed to go into the earth. 928 02:23:54.670 --> 02:24:07.570 Erica Moore: Has there been any water tests? Has anybody tested how this product works, and I have a question about heat. You know my son played soccer with the soccer bowl in high school, 929 02:24:07.580 --> 02:24:23.709 Erica Moore: and everybody thought, Oh, God! This turf is wonderful because of all the dying grass and all of the water rationing. But the fact was, it was melting. The kids's clean, so I don't know what what that's like. How does the heat impact that? Does it collect the heat? Can you walk on a cup with no shoes? 930 02:24:23.720 --> 02:24:39.000 Erica Moore: Um. I don't know. I don't know, because I don't know the product, but that's what my concerns are so hopefully we can come to something because we definitely need a path there, and I appreciate all the hard work everybody's done so maybe somebody can answer my questions. Thanks. 931 02:24:39.450 --> 02:24:44.450 robertthibodeau: Thanks. A lot. Okay. Moving down the list. Next was 932 02:24:44.780 --> 02:24:46.170 robertthibodeau: Sean. 933 02:24:47.890 --> 02:25:06.030 Sean Obrien: You're off, but yes, thanks. I'll like to all appreciate the girls. Ah! Who did the presentation? Fabulous, awesome. Ah, my only concern with the design aspect is, I've heard this term. Grown around in Venice is a gorilla gardening. 934 02:25:06.040 --> 02:25:13.749 Sean Obrien: Gorilla Gardening is a way to guard in to 935 02:25:13.930 --> 02:25:15.449 Sean Obrien: um 936 02:25:16.190 --> 02:25:19.620 Sean Obrien: diffused tents from popping up. 937 02:25:20.550 --> 02:25:38.429 Sean Obrien: Take that with it as you will, you know. Gorilla gardening is well. We'll just invite more tents. Well it with peloton. Ah, that's my only concern on the design. Love it? Um. Ah! One question I had was, How many politicians does it take to change a light bulb 938 02:25:38.610 --> 02:25:52.889 Sean Obrien: as Mick Panicello and our Venezuela Washington beer, do not allow the city to dictate how we are going to design this portion of Venice. 939 02:25:52.900 --> 02:26:08.059 Sean Obrien: It's already been construed through decades, if not centuries, that were the redheaded stepchild, and the city will do the quickest, easiest, most ugly thing possible to address the situation. 940 02:26:08.070 --> 02:26:17.190 Sean Obrien: So I do support the women who uh um presented this, and I appreciate your support as well. Thank you. 941 02:26:17.200 --> 02:26:18.470 Sean Obrien: There's a chance 942 02:26:18.480 --> 02:26:19.819 thousand today. 943 02:26:20.630 --> 02:26:26.590 robertthibodeau: All right. Uh, Then we've got Melissa Mcfadden. 944 02:26:27.550 --> 02:26:28.730 It's 945 02:26:32.150 --> 02:26:37.599 Melissa Macfadyen: okay. I'm. Here. This is Melissa Mccadian. I'm with the Rose Pin. My group 946 02:26:37.610 --> 02:26:55.160 Melissa Macfadyen: I'm. In support of the project. This is a street improvement. Project. It also includes improving the bike lanes, installing crosswalks and selling handicap curves, making the existing path Ada compliant like we've discussed. It will not be concrete path, 947 02:26:55.170 --> 02:27:09.839 Melissa Macfadyen: and preserving the existing pine trees that are already on the path, and adding more trees, and adding landscaping as well, and I think it's a great project super excited about it, and I'm in favor, and we'd like to move forward with this project. Thank you. 948 02:27:09.850 --> 02:27:11.409 robertthibodeau: Thanks. So much. 949 02:27:13.290 --> 02:27:16.470 robertthibodeau: Okay, We've got 950 02:27:18.410 --> 02:27:24.680 robertthibodeau: aria. I think if you could tell me how to how to pronounce your name in a second? 951 02:27:26.420 --> 02:27:28.629 robertthibodeau: Okay, we should be able to speak. 952 02:27:29.420 --> 02:27:33.699 Arya Rahimian: Yes, robbery. It's a your Himion. I wasn't too far off. 953 02:27:34.390 --> 02:27:38.800 Arya Rahimian: No, you did great, thank you so much for the time and thanks for, 954 02:27:38.930 --> 02:27:43.240 Arya Rahimian: and also Devin and anyone else who talked on the call just wanted to 955 02:27:43.560 --> 02:27:53.070 Arya Rahimian: call in and support this project. I'm. Also a residence of a house on a on Rose Penmar. I've spent countless hours 956 02:27:53.100 --> 02:27:57.660 Arya Rahimian: with the people in West when it is trying to 957 02:27:57.750 --> 02:28:16.480 Arya Rahimian: do best for the community on the sidewalk. Countless hours with the City Council member team members. As you can see, Eric is extremely talented and cooperative, so I think, by working with the city, and by being able to collaborate with them and recognize their 958 02:28:16.640 --> 02:28:35.219 Arya Rahimian: their their limitations and understand the compromises that they put forward in front of us. We can open a new chapter for the Cd. Eleven, because it doesn't matter whose administration this is. The people who are on the ground working with us. Day to day will be here 959 02:28:35.230 --> 02:28:47.190 Arya Rahimian: for hopefully a very long time, and they will be serving the community. So I think, by supporting this project and understanding the work they put in this one. We can also open a new chapter in our relationship with our Council members. 960 02:28:47.200 --> 02:28:48.240 Arya Rahimian: Thank you. 961 02:28:49.080 --> 02:28:51.019 Thanks so much. 962 02:28:52.990 --> 02:28:56.910 robertthibodeau: And now we've got Helen. 963 02:28:57.160 --> 02:28:58.220 robertthibodeau: You're up, 964 02:29:00.190 --> 02:29:07.300 Helen Fallon: you know. First of all, I just want to start by saying that nobody elected street cell, light or representative Dennis. They represent the bike coalition, 965 02:29:07.360 --> 02:29:10.290 Helen Fallon: and at least I do appreciate their efforts 966 02:29:10.300 --> 02:29:28.719 Helen Fallon: to not have molars, because those things are so ugly. Evna does represent the neighborhood, and they usually do their homework, and I I believe they've done their homework here. Permeable concrete. Is not that pleasant to walk on? It's been done in my neighborhood in a few places driveways. 967 02:29:28.730 --> 02:29:48.399 Helen Fallon: It's very bumpy. So for strollers and wheelchairs I don't get. Why, this is so, Ada compliant. It's like walking on gravel. It's just. You certainly are going to walk on a barefoot. I just wish the Council Office would be a little more concerned about Ada access all over Cd. Eleven. 968 02:29:48.460 --> 02:29:59.399 Helen Fallon: So I think you should include in your motion of the issue of the transfer of the property. This would be the time to do it and be on record, and that way, Then 969 02:29:59.430 --> 02:30:03.149 Helen Fallon: it'll be on the file, and it'll be there, and 970 02:30:03.170 --> 02:30:13.840 Helen Fallon: at least maybe that will be addressed. I'm. Also curious, because parking hasn't come up and we're people parking along there. And how will this project and the bike path impact that. Thanks 971 02:30:15.090 --> 02:30:17.760 robertthibodeau: good point there on the parking. 972 02:30:19.620 --> 02:30:23.860 robertthibodeau: Let's see if i'm talking. I have uh Paula! 973 02:30:26.120 --> 02:30:28.379 robertthibodeau: Uh! We should be able to speak. 974 02:30:37.750 --> 02:30:56.520 Paola Pini: I think that you know we do need a project. But one thing that we have to pay attention to is the new element that was introduced as only in this project. It's the protected bike lane. We had a long conversation before about protecting Lane on Venice holiday, and what they're proposing Here is something similar. 975 02:30:56.530 --> 02:31:07.259 Paola Pini: A bike lane east of Penmar is going to be a protected bike lane. We separated the bike lane, the buffer zone, and the parking, and one lane of tropical Both way 976 02:31:07.270 --> 02:31:20.159 Paola Pini: on the west side of Penmark. They are actually removing the whole northern side of the road parking, and the Bike Lane is going to have some buffer with some Median planter. That is again, 977 02:31:24.590 --> 02:31:27.480 Paola Pini: what we are asking is for 978 02:31:27.770 --> 02:31:39.849 Paola Pini: mit ctl and la Dt to do better. We are not opposing for the project. We want Bike Lane, but here again the outreach has been minimal evidence asked over and over would be good. One hundred and fifty 979 02:31:39.860 --> 02:31:55.300 Paola Pini: involving this project we actually do outreach, and it took them one year to actually let us see the first route we try our best. We invited Eric once in December we're inviting them again to come and present the change. The major change in the plan. One 980 02:31:55.370 --> 02:32:06.729 Paola Pini: a better tree, taller tree, a a center median. We could do a big difference, and i'm making the neighbor much more interesting, and the bike lane safer if we do better. 981 02:32:06.740 --> 02:32:33.089 Paola Pini: And you know the city. Eric has been fantastic. We all agree on that. It's been working tireless on our behalf, but he doesn't have the authority to do that make certain calls. We need someone higher up. We need someone that is willing to make this a climate adapted project. We we just experience in horrible heat the past few days we need three, and we need better projects that take advantage of everything that we have on the 982 02:32:33.100 --> 02:32:34.630 Paola Pini: an hour 983 02:32:34.920 --> 02:32:38.999 Paola Pini: disposition to make our environment better. Thank you. 984 02:32:39.010 --> 02:32:40.150 It's 985 02:32:43.510 --> 02:32:46.699 robertthibodeau: okay. So we've got. 986 02:32:50.190 --> 02:32:53.080 robertthibodeau: We've got a berry. 987 02:32:53.960 --> 02:32:56.189 robertthibodeau: You should be able to speak. 988 02:33:00.840 --> 02:33:02.749 Barry Campion: Can you hear me 989 02:33:03.190 --> 02:33:04.560 Barry Campion: barely? 990 02:33:04.870 --> 02:33:07.839 Barry Campion: Hi, You can hear me 991 02:33:09.340 --> 02:33:10.420 better. 992 02:33:10.430 --> 02:33:11.490 Barry Campion: Yeah, it's good. Now, 993 02:33:11.500 --> 02:33:12.560 Okay, 994 02:33:14.000 --> 02:33:17.369 Barry Campion: Okay. So I have 995 02:33:18.420 --> 02:33:23.969 Barry Campion: just some practical uh concerns 996 02:33:24.020 --> 02:33:32.079 Barry Campion: the with the space we're talking about. Is that nine, maybe ten feet. 997 02:33:32.200 --> 02:33:47.999 Barry Campion: The pathway is five feet. That leaves very narrow planting areas. Even if the plant of the path meanders, you have shade from existing mature trees from 998 02:33:48.010 --> 02:34:02.309 Barry Campion: the golf course. You have extensive root systems from these trees and very narrow areas, so i'm concerned about the ability of the of the plants thriving and doing well on this 999 02:34:02.340 --> 02:34:04.800 Barry Campion: uh area. 1000 02:34:04.810 --> 02:34:34.090 Barry Campion: Ah, the same goes for the trees being planted. They're going to struggle in certain areas. Native plant species on the plant list. Um, i'm not really happy about the medians. Ah! Because of their placement on the the street. You cannot plant trees in those mediums, so I really question the benefit of those mediums are giving us from an environmental point of view. They're going to require a lot of water. It's as palestin. 1001 02:34:34.230 --> 02:34:40.570 Barry Campion: It's a lot of concrete for very little benefit. And thank you very much. 1002 02:34:41.940 --> 02:34:43.750 robertthibodeau: Okay, Thank you. 1003 02:34:43.990 --> 02:34:46.590 robertthibodeau: So we've got uh 1004 02:34:47.110 --> 02:34:50.350 robertthibodeau: you up here 1005 02:34:52.890 --> 02:34:56.100 robertthibodeau: should be able to speak now. 1006 02:35:02.130 --> 02:35:04.030 robertthibodeau: Oops! Sorry. 1007 02:35:05.510 --> 02:35:07.790 Hatem Dhiab: Hello! Are you there? Yes, 1008 02:35:07.800 --> 02:35:08.620 Hatem Dhiab: bye, bye, 1009 02:35:08.850 --> 02:35:24.319 Hatem Dhiab: Hi, there! My name is Trusta Diab, and I'm. Here with my husband Hatham, and we live on Glen Avon, which is at the end of the golf course just off of Rose and I have also been involved in the Penmar Rose Group. 1010 02:35:24.330 --> 02:35:53.759 Hatem Dhiab: Yeah. And sitting in on meetings with Eric and and several other members of Cd. Eleven as well as the neighborhood group, and I can tell you that unanimously everyone on in my part of the neighborhood when going door to door wants this project to move forward. They're very passionate. They're very happy with where the city is, has met the group in, and meeting our concerns halfway. Personally, you know, I I want to see the project going forward also because we can be labor. These plans until they're you know. 1011 02:35:53.770 --> 02:36:04.250 Hatem Dhiab: We can go back and forth until the end of time. But there are some things that are are either going to happen or they're not. And I think the other thing that should be mentioned is that 1012 02:36:04.950 --> 02:36:21.729 Hatem Dhiab: if there's not an active project happening by the time Mr. Bond and leads office. There's a very, very good chance that those fences on Rose will come down, and that we are then subject to another encampment coming into the neighborhood, and you know I don't think anyone wants to see that 1013 02:36:21.740 --> 02:36:41.020 Hatem Dhiab: we don't know who the next Council member will be. We don't know what their plans are for rose out or new, and I think that we need to be very thoughtful of that as well. But overall this is a very beautiful plan. It will improve the aesthetic of our neighborhood, and everyone in our part of the neighborhood wants to see this project moving forward. 1014 02:36:42.400 --> 02:36:44.050 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you, 1015 02:36:45.720 --> 02:36:48.120 robertthibodeau: and now we have. 1016 02:36:50.680 --> 02:36:58.889 robertthibodeau: We got one more hand up here, which is, I know you're up, Jim, but you're part of the committee. So you got to hang in there for a second 1017 02:37:00.450 --> 02:37:01.770 more, 1018 02:37:01.840 --> 02:37:04.949 robertthibodeau: you know, in the end. So I've got Allison 1019 02:37:05.340 --> 02:37:07.000 robertthibodeau: Um! 1020 02:37:07.130 --> 02:37:10.730 robertthibodeau: We should be able to use those. 1021 02:37:10.790 --> 02:37:21.219 Allison: Hello! Yes, you can hear me. Okay, Great Hi! I'm Alison Altriller. I'm. A resident of Venice. I live on Warrenav. 1022 02:37:21.230 --> 02:37:36.170 Allison: I also, So you know, started the project before there was Rose. There was Frederick, and there was the Frederick passageway, which is still fenced in After four years. At the start of this project we would love to see the fences coming down. But we're realistic about 1023 02:37:36.180 --> 02:37:55.809 Allison: where we are, with tense and camping and enforcement, and I think that's something that's at the heart of this Rose Project and I one hundred percent support the Rose Pedmark group. I've also been involved in many of the meetings. I understand firsthand. Um 1024 02:37:56.160 --> 02:38:10.260 Allison: what the issues are, and also, you know, the ways we would like to improve the path. And we would like as tresses, said, I echo what she said in terms of we could go on forever talking about the ways to improve it. 1025 02:38:10.270 --> 02:38:25.650 Allison: But um! We have a wonderful plan that we've been working so hard with the city on, and we're almost there, and I don't think any of us, and many of the neighbors on Varn want to see any of this derailed. So just wanted to put my two cents in about that, 1026 02:38:26.230 --> 02:38:45.620 Allison: and I hope that Frederick is also included in the land transfer because it it won't work for anybody. If the encampments don't go on, Rose, but they go to Frederick. It will all be for Not so, anyway. Those are my two cents. Thank you, Everybody and a great job devin on your presentation. 1027 02:38:46.470 --> 02:38:48.180 robertthibodeau: Okay, thank you. 1028 02:38:48.210 --> 02:38:49.820 robertthibodeau: I have said, 1029 02:38:56.450 --> 02:39:00.810 robertthibodeau: uh, Dan, You got in there late, but we're gonna let you talk, 1030 02:39:02.690 --> 02:39:05.490 robertthibodeau: Dan, Your last one, though. But 1031 02:39:06.890 --> 02:39:08.880 Dan: okay great. Can you hear me 1032 02:39:08.890 --> 02:39:09.810 robertthibodeau: again? 1033 02:39:09.820 --> 02:39:14.340 Dan: Sounds good. I'm Dan. Woe, Jack, I live in the one thousand one hundred block with Rose A. And you. 1034 02:39:14.400 --> 02:39:17.879 Dan: I want to remind everybody that this is not a landscaping project. 1035 02:39:17.890 --> 02:39:37.870 Dan: This is a Street improvement project. I think we spent a lot of time talking about bushes and trees and the Dg. Versus this. We're improving the street, and we're basically just trying to restore back to what this community has had for five decades, which is a path so that neighbors can walk, run, jog, and ride a bicycles around the golf course. Um, 1036 02:39:37.880 --> 02:39:41.119 Dan: also all the neighbors. I've talked to them 1037 02:39:41.130 --> 02:39:50.979 Dan: on Rose Avenue, particularly those between Portland and Penmark. Every single neighbor here wants us to remember. The importance is to get that land transfer 1038 02:39:50.990 --> 02:40:04.710 Dan: that needs to get done. I know it. I just heard tonight. It's bureaucratically impossible or improbable. But let all people on this call right now. Realize that is the priority. Uh, I fully support 1039 02:40:04.720 --> 02:40:11.120 Dan: the plan, as it was just presented tonight by Devon, and I want us to get started with it as quickly as possible. 1040 02:40:11.500 --> 02:40:13.000 Dan: I you my time. 1041 02:40:13.750 --> 02:40:18.430 robertthibodeau: Okay, Thanks for yielding and good points. 1042 02:40:23.470 --> 02:40:24.580 Two: 1043 02:40:26.660 --> 02:40:27.680 robertthibodeau: Okay. 1044 02:40:28.870 --> 02:40:32.500 robertthibodeau: So Ford, comment 1045 02:40:34.220 --> 02:40:36.690 robertthibodeau: Jim, you've been so patient. 1046 02:40:37.300 --> 02:40:38.930 jim murez: Thank you, Robert. 1047 02:40:39.130 --> 02:40:53.880 jim murez: I just want to point out that a few years ago, when I suggested that the land be transferred from street services to wreck and parks. I did so because of the problem of the homeless encampment situation that was existing there, and the 1048 02:40:53.890 --> 02:41:23.880 jim murez: Federal laws that say that that they're allowed to occupy street services land, whereas they're not allowed to occupy wreck and parts. Land. Reckon parks can actually close the property at sunset, like they do in many parts. But along with that and and and the original concept was that, you know it would be nice for people to be able to walk and run and use it more like a far running course. And and with that in mind reckon Parks doesn't follow the same requirements as street services, 1049 02:41:23.890 --> 02:41:53.500 jim murez: especially not when it comes to Aba. Compatibility, like Dg. Exists throughout all of Griffith Park. Um, that's decomposed granite, and they add an additive to it, which actually Ucla and many of the other universities throughout the State. All have Dg. Trails that they use for running, and they're all aba compliant, so there is an additive that can be added to. Dg: I don't know why permeable concrete is what I used on the 1050 02:41:53.510 --> 02:42:23.209 jim murez: planting of several thousand trees in Venice whenever I did a treewell cover, and it does last indefinitely, and it can be washed out. So it doesn't get clogged up. Um. They just recently did Taper Court with the with the permeable concrete. It's a concrete surface, and it works great for for permeability. It's not very good for running. You still have the same impact at the bottom of your feet, the rest of your body, your knees, and your hips, and everything else which you don't have with Dg, and that's why they use. Dg: on all running 1051 02:42:23.220 --> 02:42:36.539 jim murez: from the Olympics all the way through to everywhere else in the world. It, dg. Is an acceptable surface, and it can have an additive to it that makes it compliant. As far as the project that was being presented. One of the slides caught my eye. 1052 02:42:37.070 --> 02:43:07.060 jim murez: The weeds along the fence line. If the fence line's going to stay the way it is, there needs to be some sort of special prevention from the weeds along the base of the fence. It's one of the ugliest factors, because it's extremely difficult for weeds from both sides of defense, and and whether it's reckoned parks or Street services, or both held under the same, under wreck and parks. The problem is still going to exist, so something should be done, and they do have solutions along the baseline of the fence, where it can be made in the small 1053 02:43:07.070 --> 02:43:36.020 jim murez: concrete curve, which makes it much more long-lasting and very durable to put a curb line along the base of the fence that keeps the weeds from growing up against into the fence, becoming ugly and hard to maintain. And and finally I heard one other person say something about parking on the north side. I'm wondering what's happening to the parking on the north side, now that they're putting in a protected bike lane. Is there still going to be parking there? I know that on Wednesday nights, when music's in the park, there is not a parking space anywhere from Lincoln 1054 02:43:36.030 --> 02:43:42.310 jim murez: all the way through to Wall Grove, and I think that parking, when the park is being used for soccer 1055 02:43:42.320 --> 02:44:00.690 jim murez: soccer days, when the kids are out on the soccer field. Parking along the north side is also very well occupied and used, and I think that that needs to be considered if it hasn't been. And finally, I don't really think you want to rush this project just because of the worry of the homeless coming back. I think, if the newly elected person allows the homeless to come back there, this will 1056 02:44:00.700 --> 02:44:15.500 jim murez: not be a good good good thing for that hope for that new, that new elected person, and I don't think that you should rush a project just because of the threat. After two years or more than two years, of waiting for them to come up with something to say. Gee! You've got two months to get it done, or we're going to 1057 02:44:15.650 --> 02:44:35.939 jim murez: put the homeless back there. I don't believe that's true. I don't think it'll happen, and they can continue to rent the fences. That's all I have to say. I'll support the project either way. But I really think that Dg. And transferring the land are two extremely important things, and reckon Parks would have absolutely no problem with Dg. As they have in many of their parks throughout the city. 1058 02:44:36.120 --> 02:44:37.390 jim murez: Thank you, 1059 02:44:37.420 --> 02:44:44.369 robertthibodeau: Evan. You had raised a hand, not electronically but physically. You want to comment. 1060 02:44:44.660 --> 02:44:46.789 Evan Corrigan: Yeah, Um, 1061 02:44:47.650 --> 02:44:50.899 Evan Corrigan: sure lot to to unpack. But 1062 02:44:52.010 --> 02:44:53.740 Evan Corrigan: I think it's. 1063 02:44:55.400 --> 02:45:00.439 Evan Corrigan: You know I get the the point about the the concrete path on the side and 1064 02:45:00.970 --> 02:45:06.639 Evan Corrigan: permeable concrete path. I mean, I see a lot of people, all different types of people 1065 02:45:06.810 --> 02:45:09.239 Evan Corrigan: walking down Rose Avenue, and 1066 02:45:09.280 --> 02:45:11.820 Evan Corrigan: I guess it's important to make sure it's 1067 02:45:12.290 --> 02:45:18.679 Evan Corrigan: something like somebody with a walker, a wheelchair mobility impairment can use. 1068 02:45:19.190 --> 02:45:20.520 Evan Corrigan: Um. 1069 02:45:21.850 --> 02:45:27.669 Evan Corrigan: I think the plan looks pretty decent. It's, you know. Maybe one of the first 1070 02:45:27.840 --> 02:45:35.650 Evan Corrigan: examples of the kind of actual protected bike lines we see working so well all across the world. 1071 02:45:35.770 --> 02:45:37.039 Evan Corrigan: Um 1072 02:45:37.600 --> 02:45:46.009 Evan Corrigan: painting them green. I know there's a shortage of green paint that that could be a great addition to those kind of like transitions between 1073 02:45:46.300 --> 02:45:48.209 Evan Corrigan: turn lanes in those 1074 02:45:49.060 --> 02:45:51.280 Evan Corrigan: different outstretches of rows. 1075 02:45:51.780 --> 02:45:53.070 Evan Corrigan: Um! 1076 02:45:54.430 --> 02:46:05.740 Evan Corrigan: I think that's all I have to say. I think there could be room for improvement. But there's also a lot of other issues in the city that could use. 1077 02:46:06.220 --> 02:46:22.349 Evan Corrigan: Who Whoever is designing this project. Stein. Um, I think there's a lot of planting that could be done over time. There's um parkways that are filled with asphalt that can probably support big trees along that search of Rose. So 1078 02:46:22.480 --> 02:46:23.580 um 1079 02:46:23.670 --> 02:46:29.950 Evan Corrigan: just hearing everything I heard tonight. I I support it to move forward. I think it's 1080 02:46:30.430 --> 02:46:39.709 Evan Corrigan: It's it's nicer than what What's there now? And I But I get the point about the sidewalk. But I think there's a lot of other nice aspects to plan. 1081 02:46:40.670 --> 02:46:47.580 robertthibodeau: Okay, So we have a motion on the floor. I don't see other hands up. Selena. Elizabeth, 1082 02:46:48.550 --> 02:46:53.390 robertthibodeau: shake of heads. Okay, let's put it to a vote. Then we've got Selena. 1083 02:46:55.430 --> 02:46:57.880 Selena Inouye: Yes, I was a bit 1084 02:47:00.280 --> 02:47:04.420 robertthibodeau: yes, or mute, but I think that was yes, yes, Evan. 1085 02:47:04.430 --> 02:47:05.360 Evan Corrigan: Yes, 1086 02:47:05.370 --> 02:47:07.470 robertthibodeau: i'll be yes also. 1087 02:47:07.780 --> 02:47:14.730 robertthibodeau: So we've got four zero zero to support the plan as presented. 1088 02:47:15.290 --> 02:47:16.869 robertthibodeau: And 1089 02:47:17.480 --> 02:47:21.969 robertthibodeau: on that note we are going to 1090 02:47:24.730 --> 02:47:30.540 robertthibodeau: moments and items. Okay. For are there any board comments and items that are not on the agenda. 1091 02:47:32.110 --> 02:47:38.550 robertthibodeau: I just like to say, thanks both to Dot and to Evna and to 1092 02:47:38.740 --> 02:47:44.930 robertthibodeau: the Rose Penmar group, I think everybody did a really good job tonight, and you 1093 02:47:45.110 --> 02:47:49.800 robertthibodeau: hopefully, these things will come to fruition in a way that you know. 1094 02:47:49.890 --> 02:47:59.280 robertthibodeau: Ah, things are never perfect out there, guys, you know, you get split hairs on a lot of small issues. I think that this has been very useful. Thank you, 1095 02:48:00.090 --> 02:48:08.489 robertthibodeau: Robert. I'd just like to tell you i'd like to comment. Can you make sure that you get the motions submitted in the agenda request system? 1096 02:48:08.500 --> 02:48:19.389 robertthibodeau: Yeah. Um. I'd put placeholders on the Board's agenda for Thursday night on the comma meeting. But I need to have the actual wording and the boats come from you through the agenda system. 1097 02:48:19.400 --> 02:48:28.039 robertthibodeau: I'll talk to you, Heaven tomorrow, and we'll try and get you something. Okay? If you have questions, let me know. 1098 02:48:28.050 --> 02:48:36.360 Selena Inouye: I'll send you the one that I propose to see. 1099 02:48:36.640 --> 02:48:47.669 robertthibodeau: Okay? Ah, i'm going to shut it down, Evan. If you're taking notes, it is nine, forty, and thanks for everybody's patients that first one and ran away longer than I thought it was. 1100 02:48:48.340 --> 02:48:50.289 robertthibodeau: It's well done, though, Robert. Good job. 1101 02:48:50.300 --> 02:48:50.889 robertthibodeau: Okay, bye. 1102 02:48:50.900 --> 02:48:54.860 Selena Inouye: Okay, Good job. Thank you. Yeah. Good night. Everybody.