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james murez: For these other people.

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james murez: You want to.

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james murez: Tell him to pick up the zoom.

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james murez: How are you.

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james murez: Jim is next to me saying pick up the zoom.

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james murez: say goodbye goodbye.

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james murez: to assume you can hear me.

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Michael Jensen: hey Jim.

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james murez: i'm going to promote you to be the host and once I do that.

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james murez: you're now the host i'm going to be able to leave the meeting and when you're done, you can hang up.

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james murez: So, listen to the recording i'm not going to be able to be there planning departments presentation list I get home, I have another event tonight.

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james murez: i'm just leaving one now and I have another one so.

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james murez: I can't can't be in the meeting to be but.

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Michael Jensen: Well we'll get over to you as usual.

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james murez: yeah yeah.

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james murez: Control when you when when when you get somebody else to join the meeting I would suggest, making them co host.

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Michael Jensen: To say something happened.

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james murez: to your host.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, thanks to me.

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james murez: If you need me feel free to go.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you bye.

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Michael Jensen: hi Mary.

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barrycassilly: Okay.

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barrycassilly: anybody else here just you and me.

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Michael Jensen: Just you and me from the committee so far.

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barrycassilly: As anybody else here.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, okay hi Christine.

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Christine Saponara: hi can you hear me.

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Michael Jensen: We can.

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Michael Jensen: do for them to get the meeting started.

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Christine Saponara: Okay, when various Is anyone else here I raise my hand actually very.

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Michael Jensen: Nice.

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Michael Jensen: To see it, but there, there are actually more people here i'm just gonna put you back on mute Kristen.

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Christine Saponara: Okay, thank you.

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barrycassilly: i'm.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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barrycassilly: i'm gonna go grab my phone and check with me.

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Michael Jensen: Well, we have a quorum, so let me just.

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Michael Jensen: start the gotta get my screens ready here.

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barrycassilly: I go stand up here.

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barrycassilly: We have.

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Michael Jensen: We have a quorum.

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barrycassilly: Okay nevermind i'm not gonna bother anybody.

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Michael Jensen: And we never know if there's anyone.

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barrycassilly: I Karen.

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barrycassilly: I hey lauren.

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Michael Jensen: hey hi everyone.

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barrycassilly: I did not hang up on you earlier.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so it is 702 I am going to call the meeting to order, let me just put the agenda.

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barrycassilly: That Roy says he's one, but I don't see him.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, can everyone see a Microsoft word document.

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corinne Baginski: Yes, yes.

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fantastic.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: call the order let's do roll call curren yes you're.

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Michael Jensen: Very.

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Michael Jensen: Andrew Mika.

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Michael Jensen: you're Warren.

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Michael Jensen: At Royce here can someone keep an eye on the audience just become.

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barrycassilly: That Roy says he's here.

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Michael Jensen: Oh, is that.

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Michael Jensen: Let me see maybe that's the.

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Michael Jensen: Mad is that not rice.

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Matt: here.

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Michael Jensen: and Chris Lord said he couldn't make it, I am here and our vacant seat is still here to.

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Michael Jensen: Item number four minutes from the April 14 agenda, it was what to do about nothing if anybody was there.

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Michael Jensen: But can I have a motion to approve that.

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Michael Jensen: Was that it.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: roll call very.

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barrycassilly: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: or news.

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Michael Jensen: lauren.

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lauren siegel: Yes.

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corinne Baginski: For him yes.

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Matt: ma'am yes.

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Michael Jensen: And I also Oh yes, so that's 60002 there's three zeros on the vote count.

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lauren siegel: Can I ask a question.

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Michael Jensen: Yes.

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lauren siegel: So where do we stand on our applicants are we is she How does it work.

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Michael Jensen: So we received one application rules and selections for me, I am not going to say it was their fault one of us didn't put it on the.

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Michael Jensen: dnc agenda and outcome, so it didn't get voted on, but.

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Michael Jensen: But we have an application.

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barrycassilly: Is or apple is the time for applications closed.

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Michael Jensen: And the deadline will would be, although I have to update it on the website, the.

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Michael Jensen: day before the next outcome.

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Michael Jensen: Meeting.

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lauren siegel: So, once we get any more, or just the one, then it gets voted on and then that person will join us.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, okay.

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lauren siegel: it's put on by the dnc.

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Michael Jensen: It is voted on by the dnc great Thank you no problem i'm.

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Michael Jensen: Luke pack members to declare Item number five conflicts of interest.

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Michael Jensen: or any party communications.

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Michael Jensen: Does anyone have any.

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Michael Jensen: Of those.

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barrycassilly: um is it ex parte if you talk to people whose stuff your.

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Michael Jensen: prayers if you're not if your staff on something know.

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Michael Jensen: That assumed if you.

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Michael Jensen: spoke to the applicant.

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barrycassilly: I did talk on 801 and brooks um it did talk to a.

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Michael Jensen: Seven or nine drugs.

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barrycassilly: So known yes.

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Michael Jensen: I spoke to the applicants representative for seven or nine brooks.

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Michael Jensen: I also was staff on that case years ago.

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Michael Jensen: contact.

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Michael Jensen: anyone else.

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lauren siegel: No.

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Michael Jensen: All right, so we have two new cases on the cnc report.

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Michael Jensen: If anybody wants to volunteer all sign up right now, otherwise it's going to go into the.

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Michael Jensen: Who I i'm just going to randomly assign one.

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Michael Jensen: But these are the two descriptions.

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Michael Jensen: Anyone.

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Michael Jensen: Going once.

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corinne Baginski: I can take it the first one.

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Michael Jensen: First, one.

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corinne Baginski: Oh good.

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Michael Jensen: Okay CB.

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Michael Jensen: that's you.

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Michael Jensen: um.

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Michael Jensen: Well, hedge variance.

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barrycassilly: Oh, my God.

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barrycassilly: Of course, we need a foot tall hedges in the front you're in California.

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Michael Jensen: Okay Barry so I guess you're.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, moving on.

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Michael Jensen: These are the.

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lauren siegel: I have a question about the de minimis cases.

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lauren siegel: yeah So the first one was assigned to me, I see that you have the looping staff as yourself.

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Michael Jensen: So i'm.

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lauren siegel: i'm confused because i'm still processing i'm still making phone calls on that particular one i've left messages for two weeks in a row now with the planner and have that no response, are we just moving them through whether we hear from the planner or not.

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Michael Jensen: No um I would say so i'm going to come up with a checklist for the vso stuff I think or not, I think I am going to come up with a checklist I think that will then give us the you know, rather than waiting on endless dialogue with.

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Michael Jensen: Planning staff to come down because now they've moved the decision to the back end.

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Michael Jensen: we're going to go through and do a.

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lauren siegel: Are you gonna explain what that means moving this decision to the back end.

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Michael Jensen: So it used to be that you fill out a form.

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Michael Jensen: And before you go through the planning process, they determine whether or not it's a bsl which basically makes it conforms to all of the standards now they don't do that until you have a planning meeting and so that's what I mean by the back end.

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barrycassilly: Now they don't.

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barrycassilly: Now they will issue the lake formal signature and have it appear on the website, but everybody knows, including the planner and everybody else, by the time the application is submitted, whether it complies or not it's like I have the vso checklist here it's not complicated okay.

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Michael Jensen: We also have some higher ups in the planning department.

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Michael Jensen: On tonight so maybe we can also ask them.

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Michael Jensen: Okay um.

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lauren siegel: yeah I mean I would love to understand how we're supposed to interact with planners if they're not returning calls.

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Michael Jensen: yeah let's.

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lauren siegel: Go after that yeah I won't make you throw the planner under the bus going to.

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Michael Jensen: live on the air, but you can tell me afterwards and we'll.

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Michael Jensen: figure we'll figure it out.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so sorry if I missed a sign that to myself i'm trying to to just push through stuff that's vs I was i've been signing them to myself.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, I mean.

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Michael Jensen: But so if i've just been doing that robotically i'm I apologize are any of the other cases not.

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Michael Jensen: Not mine very has one of them.

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barrycassilly: I have one.

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lauren siegel: yeah so I have another one.

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lauren siegel: That i'm also still waiting on it yeah in my mind.

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Michael Jensen: about the four that are up sure sure.

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Michael Jensen: So will strike this one from the list, then you're still waiting um.

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lauren siegel: I don't know I just feel bad for the applicant by doing that I don't mean to but.

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barrycassilly: let's talk about this outside of the meeting.

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barrycassilly: get it straightened up.

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Michael Jensen: lauren will talk.

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Michael Jensen: i'm going out of town for like four days, but when I get back.

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lauren siegel: Okay let's.

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Michael Jensen: let's go through some of these so any objections to putting these and i'm going to also open it up to public comment, but the three that we have left here.

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Michael Jensen: Any public comments on actually went and I forget i'm sorry.

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Michael Jensen: Sorry, everyone I forgot general public comment for items on the agenda, moving back to number six.

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Michael Jensen: Please i'll give it about 20 seconds for people to raise their hands.

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Michael Jensen: will come back to where we were after this.

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Michael Jensen: I see one hand from Yolanda any other public comment for items, not on the agenda, which I inadvertently skipped over.

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Michael Jensen: Okay Yolanda.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Yes, good evening i'm you guys i've been on neighborhood councils for many years, and right now we have a problem and it's a land use.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: problem, which is the public health and safety sentence sanitation concern emanating from the public library and cabinet.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I would like to see this body use their brains and do something that we can take to city council, because it is getting out of hand.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I interviewed a man that came from sacramento two days ago, and he was paid to come to the encampment here in the medium, there is a new black lady.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Who was set up with a tent the poor thing is roaming around crossing the street back and forth from Venice north to the west to east she's going to get run over, I would like to see an eye, I sent an agenda to the to the land use.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Planning committee to see if we can come up to get something in order to get taken to city council, because this is happening it's a land use planning illegal invasion that we are having.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Because I have the medium right in front of me, they are dedicating they're doing the necessities up our alleys and it's extending it started out with 40 and 40 individuals encampment there now I think we're up to 60 or a little bit over it's just getting bigger not only that.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: it's causing problems.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so going back to our number eight de minimis list if there's any public comments on these.

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Michael Jensen: Otherwise we're going to please raise your hand if you if anyone has a public comment on this otherwise we're going to send these to the board with our recommendation that the President issue a de minimis letter.

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Michael Jensen: i'll give it about 15 seconds.

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barrycassilly: darn I was already to answer questions and everything about mine.

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Michael Jensen: So I see Yolanda is the only one.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Yes, i'm seeing here are these all been approved by the land use planning committee of Venice.

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Michael Jensen: You want to these are de minimis cases which comply with the Venice specific plan and.

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Michael Jensen: We have a provision in the Standing rules that essentially allows us to reserve our, this is a, how can I put it.

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Michael Jensen: A neutral stance on these things we're just not hearing them.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: Okay.

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Yolanda Gonzalez: I would like Ben let's go ahead and approve them.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: That being all the public comments.

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Michael Jensen: Do I have a motion to send these to the vm see for the de minimis consent calendar yes.

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barrycassilly: Like that motion as a I talked to the the planner and applicant and thoroughly gone through mine and i'm very clear that qualifies as a bsl.

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Michael Jensen: i'll say I think okay.

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Michael Jensen: Good all right roll call vote.

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Michael Jensen: Barry.

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barrycassilly: Yes.

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lauren siegel: Yes.

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Michael Jensen: or no.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, that.

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Matt: Yes, and I vote yes so.

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Michael Jensen: um.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, moving on the cases to nine one word is Sasha can you raise your hand, please, I see you.

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Michael Jensen: And i'm going to Sasha moment you two panelists.

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Michael Jensen: And if you want, I can screen share so I don't know if the committee saw but the applicant sent us sort of a.

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Michael Jensen: bunch of documents this afternoon.

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Michael Jensen: I hope you guys had a chance to see them I know it was late in the game.

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Michael Jensen: But sorry there.

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Sascha Tohidi: Yes, I am yes, yes.

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Michael Jensen: Do you want me to pull those any of those up.

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Sascha Tohidi: If you wish to, but I just want to.

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Sascha Tohidi: let you know that I did talk to my explanation regarding the meeting that i'm having.

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Sascha Tohidi: On the fourth of May, and she told me that she's going to withdraw because of the without any help from the.

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Michael Jensen: Well, as much as I would love to believe we have that much influence, I will do this as side i'm going to pull up the plans, can you just sort of walk everyone through.

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Michael Jensen: What you have planned and what the.

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Sascha Tohidi: The issue is that they asked him to come up with 32 parking which is.

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Sascha Tohidi: Which is is even if I demolish the whole building enough I just make a level to the girl on the.

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Michael Jensen: The plans, I have Sasha.

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Sascha Tohidi: If I if I just do the whole demolish the whole building, I will not be able to park 32 calls in this I don't know how did.

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Sascha Tohidi: They come up with 32 parking I had meeting with the head of the planning at the fourth floor and he determined that it was 16 party now why is why is 32 I have no idea and that's what they are demanding and with.

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Sascha Tohidi: it's beyond anyone's beyond anyone's ability to provide that many parking in Venice and there are other cases that have been approved without zero partnering just like Great White and others in Washington and Washington global.

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Michael Jensen: So I think i'm going to do this, I want to share i'm going to close.

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Michael Jensen: Here, can we get.

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Michael Jensen: All right, so Sasha these are some of the pictures, you are documents you sent late in the this is gotta be CIRCA 19 I don't know.

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Sascha Tohidi: 30 1930 1930s and that shows right there I couldn't assume.

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Sascha Tohidi: location, yes, yes, and that was.

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Sascha Tohidi: A hardware store in this place the dancers, have never been.

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Sascha Tohidi: It has been always a business and the city, the documents that the city has is all based on one permit.

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Sascha Tohidi: That in 1944 one person goes there to fill up the portion of the course and because he didn't want to hire because if his.

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Sascha Tohidi: Commercial you have to hire a rice, and so, if they just say that is residential you don't need a license contract, so the whole city or argument of the city is based on that.

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Michael Jensen: So where does it go now to.

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Michael Jensen: The next exhibit you sent.

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Sascha Tohidi: This is, this was the restaurant before I bought I bought this place, this is that what i'm a CAFE.

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Sascha Tohidi: that's the Ad for it, that was for sale, and this is the food the 2001 that was careful Hama Hama Hama the.

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Sascha Tohidi: Tax credit to send them a notice for Texas.

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Michael Jensen: And so CAFE Hama was in.

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Michael Jensen: job or your building, yes, as of 2001 Okay, yes, and then i'm looking at this is another picture of.

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Sascha Tohidi: The House CAFE hammer yes.

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Sascha Tohidi: That was that was like a week after we bought it.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, and then you sent this in as well.

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Sascha Tohidi: Yes, this is that this.

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Michael Jensen: Commercial restaurant.

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Sascha Tohidi: Yes, certifies it, that is a commercial this event on and they said yes, we have records that this is a commercial this one.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, and the next one.

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Sascha Tohidi: Is the certified planning plans that we have that is certified by the.

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Michael Jensen: And then, here we have you're.

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Sascha Tohidi: A good that i'm paying taxes as a business in Venice like five $600 a month, so i'm paying but i'm not considered that the city is it city college taxes from me, but it says, you are not the restaurant.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, the other stuff you send me articles so i'm going to skip those.

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Michael Jensen: This is an image you sent with the parking cow.

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Sascha Tohidi: Yes, that is, the calculation of the head of the La the the that's where the guy That was the head of the department that calculated.

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Sascha Tohidi: With one of these writers, that the city is called the hospitality division, I went there with the hospitality by and he calculated and so that's money parking that you need to have.

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Michael Jensen: Okay, so those are all the new documents, I think.

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Michael Jensen: Sasha why don't you because there's a lot more people on this time, then this is not your first.

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Michael Jensen: Not your first rodeo with us, but so so the audience has a little background, can you just get into when you moved into this place what you've been doing since, in your your sort of background.

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Sascha Tohidi: I moved here to a portion of this building and put my printing press on the back and I had that place that i'm selling coffee.

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Sascha Tohidi: That is the ice cream place I operated the Office for taking orders were painting, and the restaurant remained.

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Sascha Tohidi: On the right hand side, but it still is the same existing restaurants and i've been doing this, since 2011.

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Sascha Tohidi: Most of my customers are tourists and they walk around I have pictures like two days ago that the group of them come in and they they come in a bicycle or they just walk in and they they love or restaurant I have hundreds of.

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Sascha Tohidi: Five star reviews that I can show that they said, this is a great place to what else to this.

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Sascha Tohidi: I just don't know why the city's pushing me against the wall and do want to close me up.

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Michael Jensen: Okay i'm Sasha is there anything else you want to add because i'll i'll i'm going to open it up to public comment.

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Sascha Tohidi: Thank you.

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Matt: Okay, but can you make me michela you can.

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Matt: distill what the main issue is.

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Michael Jensen: So I think, to simplify this issue, we are talking about.

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Michael Jensen: A building that has been a commercial use or a significant portion of it was a commercial use for a long time how long I probably predates my time moving to Venice.

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Michael Jensen: The city is is.

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Michael Jensen: requiring that the this US be legalized, although I think there's a question as to what the original use was been and whether those rights have continued, but essentially it boils down to do we want this restaurant to continue and, if so, the things required to make it happen are.

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Michael Jensen: You know, requiring variances to provide zero parking and to provide no loading zone, which would typically be required of of any commercial commercial use.

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Michael Jensen: Obviously, not one that has grandfathered rights so.

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Michael Jensen: You know this is and Sasha is you know this is his place, he doesn't have deep pockets and consultants to you know, bring the formal kind of application or presentation that would be, you know that.

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Michael Jensen: That we might see from from someone else I think really this, this is a question of do we want to.

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Michael Jensen: You know, support this, you know longtime business owner in legalizing something that may or may not have been I mean who knows.

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Michael Jensen: Just be missing but.

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Michael Jensen: So the city is saying that the rights are not grandfathered because they're requiring variances for.

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Michael Jensen: For both the zero parking and the melody.

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Michael Jensen: So they are considering this a change of us from entirely residential which I think we.

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Michael Jensen: But let me not before we get into that, let me just allow public comment here, so if you have public comment, please raise your hands i'll leave the window open for about 20 seconds and we'll start, I see cj.

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Michael Jensen: Erica.

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Michael Jensen: loretta.

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Michael Jensen: And going once going twice.

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Michael Jensen: Okay we're gonna end it with loretta cj.

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Michael Jensen: i'm just keep your comments to one matter.

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CJ Cole: What i'm still confused the other meetings are they requesting additional seating aren't they requesting outdoor seating that they haven't been doing.

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Sascha Tohidi: No.

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Michael Jensen: Well, let the applicant answer that.

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Michael Jensen: hold on oh Sasha Sasha.

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Michael Jensen: Let let her she's got a minute let her speak, and then you can write down like.

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CJ Cole: You know if we set a precedent here we have gone through five years of fighting they'll mildred what what used to be kim's market that has no parking.

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CJ Cole: And it was you know it's just we cannot do things that cause problems with other things now as it's just he wants to be what he's always been that's one thing, but if he's adding more seats adding outdoor stuff everything else I think it's got to be turned down, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Erica.

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Michael Jensen: you'll have to unmute.

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Laurette Healey: Can you.

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Laurette Healey: Okay sorry um I do want to just say a couple of quick things first of all, this is not an adding any new seats that weren't there.

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Laurette Healey: When he originally purchased this building, and in fact I think the seats that what you see has been here for quite a while the unfortunate circumstance here is that the applicant.

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Laurette Healey: Is the records for this particular project are extremely spotty.

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Laurette Healey: I think we can see these anecdotal photographs and we see the floor plan, I think we all know that this has been around for quite a while.

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Laurette Healey: The problem is, you can't tie it all together and connected in any sort of linear fashion that goes from point A to Point B.

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Laurette Healey: And so he's really in a tough situation because he bought a restaurant operated as a restaurant 30 had a restaurant.

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Laurette Healey: assessor's office taxes all confer but unfortunately he doesn't have the certificate of occupancy that would have you know solve this whole problem so.

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Laurette Healey: The unfortunate situation now is you have someone who probably is like a lot of these older buildings in Venice, in fact, many, many of them.

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Laurette Healey: That don't have all of their records put together in a way that makes a whole lot of sense, but we can see as early as 1915 and 1920.

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Laurette Healey: This building existed and it existed as a commercial use, and I feel terribly about this, because there is no way for this gentleman to really rectify.

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Laurette Healey: The situation he purchased it a certain way believed he had it a certain way, but I will simply say to you that this is one of those cases where.

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Laurette Healey: He just doesn't have all of the city records, nor does the city actually have the records that would substantiate the fact that they should all be grandfathered My opinion is that it should be, but again.

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Laurette Healey: that's the explanation of the circumstances and who i'm saying this not as a representative of this applicant, but, as somebody that's knowledgeable about the circumstances, thank you very much.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Okay Erica will try this again.

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Erica Moore: There we go thanks Michael is having some I don't know some technical issues anyways I really hope you guys will support this person i'm I could be in his position myself i'm in a super old building, and I mean someone like this he's been operating.

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Erica Moore: it's a small business he's not asking for a lot of changes, I think that you've got to support him, so that he can continue his livelihood it's also.

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Erica Moore: The type of business where everybody in the neighborhood relies on him he doesn't need everybody driving up in parking to be able to.

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Erica Moore: patronize his place, and I think that it's so important that we preserve places like his I am grandfather done so many things in my little business and.

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Erica Moore: I could totally be in his position myself and I don't I don't own this building, but the problem is, is that.

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Erica Moore: Too many places in Venice that are small that have odd circumstances are affected by you know these newer situations that it's really a shame, because these newer people come in and build these.

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Erica Moore: You know, some of these chain stores and they get to come in and then people like him get pushed out, I really hope that you will support him, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: or actually hold on before well, I will read, I think, answered partly but.

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Michael Jensen: i'll just let Sasha respond to the cj because it seemed like she had a question.

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Michael Jensen: where she did have a question.

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Sascha Tohidi: cj I have not changed anything, as you can see, on the photo that was covered with the blue car.

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Sascha Tohidi: That is the area that was always been used, and I did just the doors were falling on people, so I took the doors off and put the fence there and I took the top off because it was torn apart, nothing has changed nothing been added to it is as been as it was.

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Michael Jensen: I think that's the picture you're referring to right committee discussion thanks Sasha.

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Mehrnoosh: I have one question, what is this city, how many parking lot they require there, I mean numbers.

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Michael Jensen: So, according to the latest I mean it's weird because I got a different parking calc when I looked at the floor area which so once a year floor area is service for area for 64 plus.

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Michael Jensen: Hours the exterior.

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Michael Jensen: Here outdoor seating 42 seats.

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Michael Jensen: But I think we have a handwritten calculation of 16.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah but.

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Michael Jensen: At least one person yeah i'm gonna see if I can get.

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Mehrnoosh: This area it's like a Community Center This is where people can sit down and look out and and hang out together, and in order to bring in parking there it destroys the whole area, the aesthetics of it.

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lauren siegel: And what I thought was interesting was some of the earlier photos showed.

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lauren siegel: People parking on when we're circle and so earlier, that was a park in the ability to park right in front, where now that's all been taken away because there's buses going through and it's all.

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Mehrnoosh: yeah, but if you DEMO this building include parking structure did, and he say cutting everything off is like you know it's it's not a good idea, I mean supportive this project should be there it is.

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lauren siegel: There are some existing lots in the nearby vicinity.

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lauren siegel: So i'm unclear as he's still asking for the liquor license or is it just.

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lauren siegel: So he's asking for that incrementally to or, in addition to removing the need for those variances.

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Michael Jensen: So he's asking for so there's I guess two components to this, but the because the city is considering us a change of use to a restaurant from residential.

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Michael Jensen: That triggers these new parking requirements and because there's no parking on site, the exemption and zoning variants for zero parking and for is you know loading zone.

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Michael Jensen: On top of that he's requesting and alcohol see up.

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Michael Jensen: to serve.

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lauren siegel: And we had asked him last time.

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lauren siegel: If he was willing to forego the alcohol and just you know remove his application and I don't know that we got an answer from him if we were to.

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Michael Jensen: I think we did, and that doesn't that that doesn't allow the business to survive, I think the answer we got.

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lauren siegel: On but okay.

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barrycassilly: yeah we got.

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lauren siegel: We got that answer yes okay.

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Michael Jensen: So the outdoor is 109.

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Michael Jensen: The indoor is.

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barrycassilly: Who.

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lauren siegel: who's the city name isn't it moot the number of spots, because no matter what.

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Michael Jensen: I mean it's it's.

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Michael Jensen: it's going to be zero it's a.

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Michael Jensen: How many are required.

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barrycassilly: Well, if we go by what's required if you have a change of us.

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barrycassilly: wonder who the planner is coming up with this call that this existing restaurant is residential.

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Matt: When I looked at the records right now and there's there's no proof that it was essential, but there's an application from 1943 saying it was residential it's just an application, nothing was done with that.

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barrycassilly: But we do, we do have like a lot of indirect evidence, some of which he presented.

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lauren siegel: Well, this is similar to what they're doing to some of the businesses on Abbot kinney where they're making them back to residential and they never haven't been for a very long time.

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00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:56.430
Matt: yeah oceanfront raw Walker.

405
00:44:58.110 --> 00:45:03.330
Michael Jensen: By the way, and the residential component here is going to remain on the second floor.

406
00:45:06.120 --> 00:45:07.320
Matt: So there is there is actually.

407
00:45:07.350 --> 00:45:09.690
Michael Jensen: There is a residential it's it's on the second floor.

408
00:45:12.510 --> 00:45:13.020
lauren siegel: So.

409
00:45:14.040 --> 00:45:16.890
lauren siegel: What do we really have to decide tonight.

410
00:45:19.440 --> 00:45:24.420
Michael Jensen: So Sasha is going before the area planning Commission on may 5.

411
00:45:24.840 --> 00:45:32.310
Michael Jensen: Okay, this will not get before the vm see before then, but.

412
00:45:33.930 --> 00:45:38.850
Michael Jensen: You know, as a committee we can decide to support or not these asks that he's making.

413
00:45:41.190 --> 00:45:42.300
lauren siegel: impact the.

414
00:45:42.360 --> 00:45:43.320
lauren siegel: The meeting.

415
00:45:43.710 --> 00:45:47.670
Michael Jensen: It would be lovely to think that it did, but I have no idea what.

416
00:45:48.210 --> 00:45:52.800
Michael Jensen: How a PC sees the views us as a deliberative body.

417
00:45:54.870 --> 00:45:55.590
Michael Jensen: So.

418
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:06.300
Michael Jensen: yeah I think that's really just doing the issues i'm not hearing a lot of opposition from the public or i'm not hearing any I will note, for the record that.

419
00:46:07.620 --> 00:46:11.460
Michael Jensen: Something like 100 letters of support were submitted.

420
00:46:12.600 --> 00:46:20.670
Michael Jensen: I scan through them, most of them were from Venice and the and Marina so I don't know whether they are you know.

421
00:46:23.070 --> 00:46:24.840
Michael Jensen: I can just flip through these.

422
00:46:28.980 --> 00:46:30.960
Michael Jensen: But there's 102 of them.

423
00:46:32.040 --> 00:46:36.660
barrycassilly: So I think I think this is an issue of Community character.

424
00:46:36.870 --> 00:46:53.160
barrycassilly: yeah this this restaurant has been there Come on, I mean somebody can look at a piece of paper from like whenever and say oh This implies that maybe there wasn't a red restaurant there but Come on, we all know, there's been a restaurant there forever.

425
00:46:54.300 --> 00:47:06.960
barrycassilly: It never had parking um you know not having parking for commercial enterprises was the norm in Venice for ever.

426
00:47:07.710 --> 00:47:26.880
barrycassilly: um and then these rules were put in place where you know, in the last like 30 years where you have to provide a ton of parking to do anything, and if you did that in Venice, you would just you know you might as well bulldoze the entire Community, and make it a parking lot so.

427
00:47:27.510 --> 00:47:28.110
barrycassilly: I mean.

428
00:47:28.350 --> 00:47:39.000
lauren siegel: I don't know what about the precedent of Hama sushi did they have parking there are two doors down there also have been around forever, they are packed all the time.

429
00:47:40.650 --> 00:47:42.030
Michael Jensen: They have not believed they.

430
00:47:42.330 --> 00:47:43.680
corinne Baginski: They don't have parking.

431
00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:48.300
lauren siegel: They have the the people up front, who will park your car for a significant fee so.

432
00:47:48.540 --> 00:48:05.370
lauren siegel: i'm not sure that we need to single this gentleman out in his business when everybody around him is doing the same thing, and in fact he's been doing it for a really long time I mean i'm inclined to support him, and hope that this business will stay in Venice.

433
00:48:06.360 --> 00:48:06.900
A agree.

434
00:48:08.310 --> 00:48:10.380
Michael Jensen: Somebody okay somebody want to make a motion.

435
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.350
lauren siegel: i'm happy to make the motion to support him and.

436
00:48:18.390 --> 00:48:21.480
lauren siegel: see where it where is it yes recommend the dnc with.

437
00:48:21.630 --> 00:48:22.080
Michael Jensen: an actual.

438
00:48:23.700 --> 00:48:24.120
Michael Jensen: support.

439
00:48:24.450 --> 00:48:27.690
Michael Jensen: hijacked let me delete this so substitute motion.

440
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:28.620
Yes.

441
00:48:32.640 --> 00:48:34.050
lauren siegel: You got the line going through it too.

442
00:48:37.140 --> 00:48:37.590
Michael Jensen: Okay.

443
00:48:40.830 --> 00:48:41.910
Mehrnoosh: support as well.

444
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:49.380
Michael Jensen: Okay, so that is i'm sorry lauren right.

445
00:48:49.860 --> 00:48:50.520
Exactly.

446
00:48:55.980 --> 00:48:56.100
Mehrnoosh: let's.

447
00:48:57.450 --> 00:48:59.070
Michael Jensen: spell your name right.

448
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:01.320
Mehrnoosh: Okay, good.

449
00:49:01.920 --> 00:49:03.060
Michael Jensen: Okay roll call.

450
00:49:04.860 --> 00:49:06.870
Michael Jensen: matt your first on my screen so i'm just going with.

451
00:49:06.870 --> 00:49:08.100
Matt: You yes.

452
00:49:08.700 --> 00:49:09.000
Michael Jensen: or no.

453
00:49:09.750 --> 00:49:11.370
Michael Jensen: Yes, lauren.

454
00:49:11.760 --> 00:49:13.710
Michael Jensen: Yes, Karen.

455
00:49:14.040 --> 00:49:15.600
Michael Jensen: Yes, very.

456
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:16.470
barrycassilly: Yes.

457
00:49:17.460 --> 00:49:20.160
Michael Jensen: it's five, and I will be six.

458
00:49:22.260 --> 00:49:26.220
Michael Jensen: Okay motion carries Sasha I will email you.

459
00:49:27.420 --> 00:49:35.610
Michael Jensen: The draft minutes you won't have anything from the dnc, but we can talk after this.

460
00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:38.520
lauren siegel: Good luck.

461
00:49:39.780 --> 00:49:40.440
corinne Baginski: there.

462
00:49:41.340 --> 00:49:44.970
Michael Jensen: Alright, moving on to 709 brooks.

463
00:49:46.110 --> 00:49:47.250
Michael Jensen: Do we have.

464
00:49:51.120 --> 00:49:55.920
Michael Jensen: An applicant or representative here it's Where are you soo.

465
00:50:01.350 --> 00:50:03.840
Michael Jensen: soo do you want to present anything, are you just going to speak.

466
00:50:05.100 --> 00:50:12.870
Sue Steinberg: hi i'm ready, I was actually going to speak after unit Pal if you want, or we can do whatever whatever works for you yeah.

467
00:50:12.930 --> 00:50:16.440
Michael Jensen: I will give us some background, because this is not the first time it came to us.

468
00:50:17.730 --> 00:50:23.670
Michael Jensen: This actually, let me just refresh my memory here, it was heard in October.

469
00:50:25.980 --> 00:50:30.150
Michael Jensen: At the I think Lou peck and then at the October 2020.

470
00:50:31.230 --> 00:50:39.990
Michael Jensen: So this is a while ago board meeting the description of the case was not accurate leave presented when it went to the board.

471
00:50:41.550 --> 00:50:53.250
Michael Jensen: And I think mostly because of that this case was denied by the board, it has since been appeal.

472
00:50:54.690 --> 00:50:57.870
Michael Jensen: The project is the same.

473
00:50:59.190 --> 00:51:02.550
Michael Jensen: It is a and i'm going to read it directly from the.

474
00:51:04.890 --> 00:51:17.790
Michael Jensen: From the project description is demolition of an existing duplex small lot subdivision and construction of two new single family homes applicant is not seeking any waivers are variances for the project, the.

475
00:51:20.010 --> 00:51:33.180
Michael Jensen: The inaccurate presentation of this in October of 2020 was that it was a triplex that was being demos and replaced by two single family homes, thus resulting in a net loss of units.

476
00:51:34.560 --> 00:51:45.150
Michael Jensen: I think that was the sticking point for a lot of the board members on the voted on it was the prior board that's just me going from memory, I also coincidentally, with staff on this.

477
00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:49.470
Michael Jensen: But with that I guess Sue do you have anything you want to add.

478
00:51:50.970 --> 00:52:00.780
Sue Steinberg: everybody's to steinberg from Howard Robinson and associates um no I don't think I really have much more to add except it's one of those funny cases that kind of just always stuck in our cross.

479
00:52:01.140 --> 00:52:11.490
Sue Steinberg: On loop back had gone ahead and proved it and on five to, though, and then, when we went to the nc um this was when you know we're obviously on a zoom.

480
00:52:12.180 --> 00:52:19.800
Sue Steinberg: Meeting, and we could never after dark presentation and the misrepresentation, then by a board member.

481
00:52:20.460 --> 00:52:29.760
Sue Steinberg: We could never jumped into correct it and we really thought about demanding to reconsideration, and all that, but we we didn't see are so angry we didn't think would matter, in the end.

482
00:52:30.210 --> 00:52:43.080
Sue Steinberg: And it's one of those that i'm really excited and happy that we could possibly correct the record because this really is a demolition of to existing blowing you know it's replacing it with, to coin units and.

483
00:52:44.700 --> 00:52:59.100
Sue Steinberg: So thank you for hearing us tonight I don't we are on we have we're appeal to a PC w by citizens, because every business, and so we thought well, maybe this is the time that we do want to come back.

484
00:52:59.250 --> 00:53:14.730
Sue Steinberg: And record the record and that's why we're here tonight and i'm you know I hadn't anticipated, you know, on the agenda tonight, but I can talk about the case in general, the project general or we can whatever, but I want to.

485
00:53:15.150 --> 00:53:16.350
Michael Jensen: Show you I think what i'm gonna do is.

486
00:53:16.410 --> 00:53:18.960
Michael Jensen: i'm going to do, open it up for public comment.

487
00:53:19.890 --> 00:53:22.950
Michael Jensen: And then we'll have some more discussion after that.

488
00:53:22.980 --> 00:53:24.390
Sue Steinberg: All right, great perfect.

489
00:53:27.150 --> 00:53:30.840
Michael Jensen: Alright, public comments, please raise your hand.

490
00:53:31.860 --> 00:53:36.060
Michael Jensen: If you'd like to make a comment on this case it's 709 brooks.

491
00:53:41.700 --> 00:53:45.060
Michael Jensen: not seeing any public comment.

492
00:53:47.550 --> 00:53:50.790
Michael Jensen: Going once going twice.

493
00:53:52.410 --> 00:53:54.540
Michael Jensen: Okay committee discussion.

494
00:53:55.860 --> 00:53:56.940
lauren siegel: I have a question.

495
00:53:57.990 --> 00:54:04.890
lauren siegel: I was not around for this case last time, but when i'm reading your staff report, I have to say it's kind of confusing.

496
00:54:05.460 --> 00:54:11.490
lauren siegel: And please forgive me, but the mellow determination paragraph that you have in here, makes it sound like.

497
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:32.430
lauren siegel: That you are removing to affordable units to build to single family homes and the justification of that is purely financial that the owner would well I the justification is a financial one, so i'm having a hard time understanding.

498
00:54:33.450 --> 00:54:35.910
lauren siegel: How that's justification that the owner would.

499
00:54:36.030 --> 00:54:36.630
lauren siegel: lose all.

500
00:54:36.720 --> 00:54:39.270
Michael Jensen: My all actually I can I can explain.

501
00:54:40.170 --> 00:54:41.430
Michael Jensen: I can explain this one.

502
00:54:43.050 --> 00:54:50.670
Michael Jensen: Hopefully, a little more so when this was filed, and you, you had to go through your mellow determination.

503
00:54:51.330 --> 00:55:07.050
Michael Jensen: You could either provide all of the records to I mean essentially the way that mellow works is it assumes something as affordable until you prove otherwise, so this had an owner occupier in the front and a renter in the back.

504
00:55:08.520 --> 00:55:09.540
Michael Jensen: The.

505
00:55:12.210 --> 00:55:24.330
Michael Jensen: The the developer, who bought the property essentially opted into the city, deeming them affordable, because they either didn't have access to, or just didn't have the records.

506
00:55:24.990 --> 00:55:32.220
Michael Jensen: You needed, you know multiple years of rent rolls utilities there's a whole bunch of there's a laundry list of ways that you can just prove.

507
00:55:32.910 --> 00:55:42.090
Michael Jensen: Affordable but they essentially said no we'll just take demon affordable, because the alternative pathway was then you prepared a feasibility study.

508
00:55:42.570 --> 00:55:50.160
Michael Jensen: To essentially show why replacement of the affordable units was not financially feasible, that was the pathway that existed in my city, at the time.

509
00:55:51.270 --> 00:55:55.830
Michael Jensen: So there's a feasibility study that was submitted and connection.

510
00:55:55.830 --> 00:55:56.250
Michael Jensen: with it.

511
00:55:56.520 --> 00:55:56.970
lauren siegel: And I.

512
00:55:57.120 --> 00:56:10.020
Michael Jensen: And yeah and that's essentially I mean I you know feasibility studies always show this off feasible because building in La is is stupid expensive so of course it can't be feasible.

513
00:56:13.530 --> 00:56:18.300
Michael Jensen: And so that's where that came from does that explain the well.

514
00:56:18.600 --> 00:56:39.480
lauren siegel: It doesn't make sense to me because anybody and everybody can use that same excuse that I can't find the record so whether it's truly a rent control, you know low income renter or not, we will hear that argument each and every time so it's hard to decipher the true history if.

515
00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:42.780
lauren siegel: We have these hurdles that make.

516
00:56:42.930 --> 00:56:45.750
lauren siegel: A now I have, who is there, so difficult.

517
00:56:46.050 --> 00:56:54.870
Michael Jensen: So I would say, no one, if you have the option of disproving affordable and have access to the records, you would always go that route.

518
00:56:57.120 --> 00:57:03.330
Michael Jensen: I don't think anyone is opting to deem these things, affordable just for kicks but.

519
00:57:05.070 --> 00:57:24.630
Michael Jensen: I you know you're identifying probably the rationale of the city has made for closing the feasibility study pathway, because under the new iteration the mellow implementation ordinance you cannot do it do a feasibility study to get out of the replacement unit.

520
00:57:25.140 --> 00:57:26.430
barrycassilly: i'd like to weigh in on this.

521
00:57:27.510 --> 00:57:29.220
lauren siegel: Very finish one more question.

522
00:57:29.250 --> 00:57:38.610
lauren siegel: yeah just to this, so if you're telling me that the system doesn't work in helping us identify whether something is truly a low income or affordable unit or not.

523
00:57:38.850 --> 00:57:46.980
lauren siegel: Why aren't we addressing the system rather than like finding all the ways around it to you know, make it less less bite and less accurate.

524
00:57:49.920 --> 00:57:51.300
Michael Jensen: There you said you wanted to try to.

525
00:57:52.140 --> 00:57:55.530
barrycassilly: do less what I wanted to comment on um because.

526
00:57:56.700 --> 00:58:00.240
barrycassilly: Honestly, the system has been deliberately perverted.

527
00:58:01.530 --> 00:58:03.450
barrycassilly: You know mellow was a well intentioned.

528
00:58:05.280 --> 00:58:13.740
barrycassilly: State law that was intended to protect to protect actual affordable housing units um.

529
00:58:15.390 --> 00:58:23.550
barrycassilly: You know anybody who's going to be honest about it has to admit that that housing has found a way to use mellow.

530
00:58:24.630 --> 00:58:32.130
barrycassilly: in ways that were never intended um you know it isn't financially feasible to provide.

531
00:58:33.240 --> 00:58:56.250
barrycassilly: Affordable units in small projects in Venice mean it's just not financially feasible period if the person doing the project has to pay for that so you're literally left with a choice of Okay, we will not add any more housing units in Venice on if there's a mellow issue.

532
00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:59.970
barrycassilly: or and that's it that's your only choice.

533
00:59:01.530 --> 00:59:05.520
barrycassilly: And what's happened in practical terms with the.

534
00:59:07.410 --> 00:59:21.450
barrycassilly: Certification of whether unit is affordable or not um there's no accountability for what housing does they're not accountable to anyone in terms of what they require for documentation.

535
00:59:21.930 --> 00:59:35.100
barrycassilly: And in that lack of accountability what's happened over the years is they've gone from reasonable arm requirements for demonstrating what somebody was paying for rent.

536
00:59:35.910 --> 00:59:52.050
barrycassilly: arm to completely unreasonable arm unsatisfied will set of requirements that have gotten so ridiculous that even owner occupied homes.

537
00:59:53.700 --> 01:00:01.500
barrycassilly: In most cases, cannot satisfy the requirements for documentation to prove that those homes were not.

538
01:00:02.820 --> 01:00:13.560
barrycassilly: Low income units literally more than 50% of the projects that have come before lubec in the last since i've been on the back.

539
01:00:14.430 --> 01:00:30.780
barrycassilly: In the last four years that involved the demolition of owner occupied single family home to be replaced by another owner occupied single family home they could not meet the documentation requirements to get mellow Clarence and they had to do feasibility studies.

540
01:00:32.160 --> 01:00:46.350
barrycassilly: So, in practical terms, removing the feasibility studies means that you won't be able to replace nobody can buy those those older homes and build a new home and replace those 800 square foot homes in the future.

541
01:00:47.430 --> 01:00:55.680
barrycassilly: it's it's gotten, to the point of absurdity and what was really going on is the housing department has become a politically activist agency.

542
01:00:56.040 --> 01:01:06.900
barrycassilly: And they're attempting to shift the burden for providing affordable housing from the public sector to the private sector and Venice they're doing that, by imposing the burdens on small.

543
01:01:07.650 --> 01:01:25.110
barrycassilly: Property owners who are doing small projects of 40 minutes or less secret defines everything a 40 minutes or less as a small project which is reasonable um so yeah I mean it for in with respect to the question that lauren is asking.

544
01:01:26.190 --> 01:01:39.720
barrycassilly: I think we should be addressing the system here if we get involved in mellow or not mellow and talking about these determinations um you know we're entering into a Kafka esque.

545
01:01:40.770 --> 01:01:51.570
barrycassilly: world of absurdity, where everything is basically being declared affordable by the housing department when it isn't I mean um so that's my take on it.

546
01:01:53.610 --> 01:02:07.620
lauren siegel: So is there anything that we can do about this, I guess, is the question if we're painting ourselves into a corner, where nothing can be improved rebuilt, etc, in your specific instance, then you know what can we do about it.

547
01:02:10.890 --> 01:02:16.920
barrycassilly: um get rid of all these progressive politicians like Mike nolan and Eric garcetti oh boy.

548
01:02:18.120 --> 01:02:20.760
lauren siegel: But I mean does does nevermind.

549
01:02:22.140 --> 01:02:22.710
Michael Jensen: That, I think.

550
01:02:22.740 --> 01:02:28.650
Michael Jensen: I mean look, this is a bigger discussion, and we can take up a mellow implementation ordinance if someone wants to do some research.

551
01:02:30.120 --> 01:02:32.190
Michael Jensen: But we have a case of bar.

552
01:02:33.360 --> 01:02:34.770
Michael Jensen: let's look at the.

553
01:02:35.370 --> 01:02:43.050
Michael Jensen: You know, we have a bunch of people waiting for the planning department presentation, so I mean if there's more discussion i'm happy to have it, but.

554
01:02:45.600 --> 01:02:46.770
Michael Jensen: But, if not, I think we should.

555
01:02:47.970 --> 01:02:49.410
Michael Jensen: hear an upward motion.

556
01:02:55.350 --> 01:02:56.280
barrycassilly: Motion someone.

557
01:03:01.470 --> 01:03:03.450
barrycassilly: I moved to approve the project has presented.

558
01:03:05.580 --> 01:03:07.380
Michael Jensen: Okay Barry do we have a second.

559
01:03:13.620 --> 01:03:14.760
Michael Jensen: Going once.

560
01:03:14.880 --> 01:03:15.600
Matt: All second.

561
01:03:17.550 --> 01:03:18.540
Michael Jensen: seconds.

562
01:03:20.250 --> 01:03:21.660
Michael Jensen: Okay we'll do a roll call here.

563
01:03:22.560 --> 01:03:23.010
With.

564
01:03:26.640 --> 01:03:27.360
Michael Jensen: lauren.

565
01:03:32.040 --> 01:03:32.730
barrycassilly: she's muted.

566
01:03:33.150 --> 01:03:34.050
Michael Jensen: lauren you're muted.

567
01:03:36.210 --> 01:03:38.310
lauren siegel: I said i'm just really struggling with this one.

568
01:03:42.270 --> 01:03:46.770
lauren siegel: it's hard to evaluate this project, against the backdrop of this, the you know.

569
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:54.990
lauren siegel: kind of the system that's difficult, so if what you say is true i'm sorry I shouldn't be talking about this now, but if what you say is true, and this is.

570
01:03:55.590 --> 01:04:11.640
lauren siegel: own occupy in a fully rented you know unit, then and everybody's been taken care of and they're out, then yes i'm assuming a lot of things and i'm a little uncomfortable with that, but I guess i'll say yes.

571
01:04:12.780 --> 01:04:13.800
lauren siegel: long story short.

572
01:04:15.510 --> 01:04:27.480
Michael Jensen: I think we can bring the to answer that question, I mean we can bring the applicants representative back, I mean right well right now we're in the middle of about so we just it's just yes or now that's your your options.

573
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:31.170
lauren siegel: Yes.

574
01:04:32.340 --> 01:04:33.420
lauren siegel: I don't feel good about it.

575
01:04:36.780 --> 01:04:37.590
corinne Baginski: Yes.

576
01:04:39.390 --> 01:04:39.900
Michael Jensen: Very.

577
01:04:40.800 --> 01:04:41.340
barrycassilly: Oh yes.

578
01:04:43.080 --> 01:04:43.890
Michael Jensen: and

579
01:04:45.090 --> 01:04:46.050
Michael Jensen: Just one more matt.

580
01:04:47.430 --> 01:04:48.000
Matt: Yes.

581
01:04:49.980 --> 01:04:53.070
Michael Jensen: And I will also go us so that's.

582
01:04:54.240 --> 01:04:57.870
Michael Jensen: ocean carriers so you'll be on the.

583
01:04:59.220 --> 01:05:02.280
Michael Jensen: Next May vlc agenda.

584
01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:16.050
Sue Steinberg: Okay that'd be great Thank you guys.

585
01:05:16.290 --> 01:05:17.670
Michael Jensen: And i'll email you.

586
01:05:19.140 --> 01:05:19.560
Michael Jensen: Before.

587
01:05:19.890 --> 01:05:22.380
Sue Steinberg: Okay that'd be terrific answer more questions, and thank you.

588
01:05:23.070 --> 01:05:24.630
Michael Jensen: More than more than the day of.

589
01:05:26.010 --> 01:05:29.310
Sue Steinberg: Oh, this was fun no really thanks have a good evening.

590
01:05:31.290 --> 01:05:32.130
Michael Jensen: All right.

591
01:05:34.170 --> 01:05:35.730
Michael Jensen: Moving on item 10.

592
01:05:36.990 --> 01:05:44.100
Michael Jensen: Let me promote Christine, so this is a presentation by the planning Department on updates to our.

593
01:05:45.300 --> 01:05:47.730
Michael Jensen: Local coastal program and community.

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Michael Jensen: Community plan see Laura I see you, I think, is that is that everyone.

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Christine Saponara: We also have Jeff if you promoted him and kiana.

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Michael Jensen: Jeff and keon.

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Michael Jensen: i'm.

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Michael Jensen: Sure i'm not seeing adjust.

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Michael Jensen: adjust areas.

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Christine Saponara: Thank you so much for having us today, do you need to say anything before I starter.

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Michael Jensen: No, I was just gonna say i'm gonna stop sharing my screen and I will give you the I assume you guys have a presentation, so you should be.

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Michael Jensen: free to.

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Christine Saponara: Sure, and you know, I just wanted before the presentation gets put up, I just want to introduce myself my Chris my name is Christine Stephen era i'm a senior planner with the city of Los Angeles.

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Christine Saponara: i've been with the city about 17 years and I started previous to the city, I worked at the city of malibu.

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Christine Saponara: And because I had coastal experience they said why don't we put you in Venice, so I did Venice from 2005 to around 2012 or 2010 maybe.

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Christine Saponara: And that's when I moved to Council Office at the time and then came back to the department and did a series of West side areas, then moved into policy since i've been in policy about eight years now.

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Christine Saponara: I have been doing a series of different policies and, most recently worked on the mellow ordinance or drafted the mellow ordinance so I know you had some questions about the mellow ordinance.

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Christine Saponara: Working with law projects anything within the local coastal program today and minor things to do before Community plan or after Community plans have been approved.

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Christine Saponara: it's a unit that we've called the overlay amendments unit and we essentially just do those the little touches that need to happen.

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Christine Saponara: In between the Community plan process and I noticed on the agenda today you labeled us as the Community plan program or something it's a Community plan.

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Christine Saponara: And I just wanted to make sure that you guys knew that we were not the Community plan team, we are the Venice local coastal program team, and I can explain why that you know because there's a different in our difference in our work Program.

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Michael Jensen: I thought everyone was going to be here to.

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Christine Saponara: that's why I know I talked to them and ask them if they could and they just it's really difficult to.

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Christine Saponara: put something together when you're not ready yet so they're working on it and I think they will be here soon, but I can answer questions about you know process for you, for them, I cannot answer questions about zoning, however.

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Christine Saponara: But yeah so let's put up the presentation and I can go through what is the local council program and I know you guys know a lot about it.

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Christine Saponara: and have worked very closely with us before so if the seams repeat sorry i'm like my kids, I have three of them you'll probably see them walking back and forth.

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Christine Saponara: If you have questions or if you see something that you think like oh this you've already told us this like excuse me, because that's I, this is my first time presenting to you, so I hope it's not.

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Christine Saponara: You know boring or redundant, but um but yeah happy to do that so Jeff if you are Laura whoever's present or posting it for me, can you please present it.

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Laura MacPherson: hi this is Laura it doesn't look like I have presenting capacity at this moment in time.

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Christine Saponara: I wonder if I.

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Michael Jensen: share so let me give you the I think I have to.

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Michael Jensen: make you a.

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Michael Jensen: analyst.

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I think I did, though.

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Michael Jensen: There we go.

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Michael Jensen: You should be able to do it now.

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Michael Jensen: There we go.

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Christine Saponara: There goes awesome alright, so this is just my welcome page.

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Christine Saponara: So we can you know this presentation was prepared for you.

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Christine Saponara: The next slide please.

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Christine Saponara: So this is what the goal of the the Venice local causal program is it's a policy and regulatory document that is required by California coastal act.

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Christine Saponara: That was approved in I believe 19 719 82 that savages land use development natural resource protection coastal access and public recreation policies for the Venice coastal zone.

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Christine Saponara: And in order to comply with this coastal APP the Los Angeles city planning department is undertaking this multi year effort to provide input to the public and prepare adopt and certify a Venice LCP so what.

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Christine Saponara: You know I know it sounds like this big major Program.

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Christine Saponara: And in the past we've tried to get this adopted the the LCP and total adopted.

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Christine Saponara: But all we have adopted, now is the policy portion and then our specific plan is the implementation portrait portion that was never adopted so this and i'm telling you this information now because the next program or the next thing the next page goals.

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Christine Saponara: Are what we're kind of trying to pick up from last time and moving into the future, so our current goal is to be in compliance with State legislation so.

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Christine Saponara: very boring just whatever the state is requiring us to do that's what we want to do we want to create greater transparency and predictability in the coastal development review process.

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Christine Saponara: I heard this a lot, because you guys were confused about some regulations that we have, or you know it's too difficult to contact the planner and find out the answer well you shouldn't have to.

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Christine Saponara: Contact a planner to find the answer, it should be transparent in our documents, so we want to make our document easier to read more.

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Christine Saponara: You know more like written in a way that is understandable to a larger range of people establish the kind location and intensity of land uses near the water.

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Christine Saponara: This sounds like we're making changes to zoning but we actually are not making any changes to zoning we just want to be more respectful like the sea life see rise sea level rise and other challenges that we have when we build near water.

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Christine Saponara: Which brings us to the next one account for potential impacts of sea level rise and climate change and and protect our coastal resources and public access that's one of our our main goals.

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Christine Saponara: Along with that we want to make sure that the Venice LCP is revitalize and current with a time, so we have equity racial and social justice, we want to put some policies in there for that.

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Christine Saponara: health crisis and coven taking what we learned from health prices like coven and building those types of policies into our plan and then climate change as well, so sea level rise proactive planning adaptation to heat to heat island affects all of that into our plan okay next.

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Christine Saponara: So, like I said before, the Venice coastal land use fire LCP is created with two different parts, so the land use plan.

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Christine Saponara: And that land use plan only gives you goals and policies, no regulations just goals and policies.

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Christine Saponara: And a lot of those goals and policies are ones that we've already established that are currently established plan.

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Christine Saponara: And then addition, all those ones that were talking about with bringing into the new age and then the second part is a Venice coastal zone specific plan or the l IP, which is an implementation plan so what we want to do is take.

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Christine Saponara: The current specific plan regulations and reformat them so that they're the same regulations, but have a more clear priority focus and you may have heard about this.

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Christine Saponara: So the next slide you may have heard about this is called the new record zone.

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Christine Saponara: We don't currently call it record anymore, because record was just like the beginning name that we started with now it's just called New zoning.

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Christine Saponara: And this new zoning is going to have many different components we're going to have form frontage standards, use and density.

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Christine Saponara: A lot of times we talk about Community character and style and what Venice should look like and feel like.

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Christine Saponara: We can build all of those pieces in to the zone itself so that you see now when you see a new zone you'll know exactly what those priorities in this neighborhood is or are.

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Christine Saponara: and understand what a neighborhood should look like based on that zoning so that's what we want to do with our new zoning but.

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Christine Saponara: Without changing the regulations, the change regulations may happen as a result of Community plan and that's why it's so important to be part of that process, and you know, keeping keep in touch with that, but that will be happening after our processes into the.

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Christine Saponara: Next slide, this is just a slide of all the meetings and engagement, I know that was one of the questions Michael had for me asking you know how many times, or where have you met.

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Christine Saponara: With engagement look like in the past, and then I will talk about the face to our reach, which we're going to be doing this end of this year and starting next year.

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Christine Saponara: We had 40 meetings for technical technical advisory groups, and these are just sister agencies and other department experts on the different issues that you know different parts of our.

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Christine Saponara: LCP the different chapters that we have, we also had public outreach 37 meetings with 17 outreach meetings and and workshops and then 20 virtual office hours to solicit input.

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Christine Saponara: Next, will be doing a fees to outreach and that's once we have a draft ordinance.

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Christine Saponara: will be having to open houses one in the beginning of outreach and then one prior to the public hearing, so the same day as a public hearing.

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Christine Saponara: One public hearing and all of these dates to be determined and then five topical meetings regarding all the chapters and also the implementation plan.

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Christine Saponara: Next slide, and this is just as a cliff notes I don't know if you guys remember what cliff notes are I don't think anybody younger than me will remember it.

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Christine Saponara: But this is the cliff notes version, where we show you the outline of what the hell up and it will look like, with the actual chapter names so we'll go from one.

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Christine Saponara: To 10 the introduction, then land news and development scenic and visual resources cultural markedly your logical paleontological although all articles.

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Christine Saponara: In there and Chapter four public ass access recreation and visitor serving facilities Chapter six seven is coastal hazards and sea level rise.

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Christine Saponara: A marine resources, wetlands land and other natural resources, nine water quality and then 10 public infrastructure.

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Christine Saponara: And then, with the IP, which is the regulations, so what we will do is have the policies and the goals in that first l up portion and then the actual regulations that follow and the IP and those are the the chapters that we have there I won't read them all for you, but.

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Christine Saponara: You can see them there.

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Christine Saponara: And then the next slide, this is just to show you Venice planning geography, we have the Venice Community plan area and on the left, and that is the entire Venice Community plan area Oh, and then.

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Christine Saponara: We can, maybe it's maybe we'll click on more time, so it shows the very go and then on the right side, we have the coastal zone, so the LCP will only cover that blue area here, and then the rest of you know, the the whole area as a whole will be covered by the Community plan.

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Christine Saponara: That that will be happening leader and we're hopefully going to have somebody come and talk to you about that soon.

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Christine Saponara: And next slide is just a beautiful picture, and we know how beautiful venice's and we want to keep it beautiful and shining for everyone.

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Christine Saponara: here's a tentative timeline I think I was talking about this as our face to outreach but we wanted to provide a draft in winter of 2022, and this will be like a very you know.

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Christine Saponara: Like simple draft where it might not have all the pictures and all the the graphics in there, but we'll give information on how how it's all supposed to come together.

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Christine Saponara: And then we will start working on our virtual LCP education, workshops and hopefully we'll have five sessions there and in those couple of months, and then September will do open house public hearing.

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Christine Saponara: which will lead us into our local adoption process and that's a long process, we have to go through.

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Christine Saponara: CPC then plum then City Council than the mayor's office and then, once we're done with that we have to go to California, the California coastal Commission to have them.

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Christine Saponara: approve it as well, which may require changes or may not, but if it does require changes, we may have to do that local adoption process again just depends on what type of changes there are but.

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Christine Saponara: The that's basically what we are doing at a glance that's one of my favorite lifeguard posts there and.

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Christine Saponara: i'm here for questions answers I don't know.

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Michael Jensen: If I think what i'm going to do is i'm going to.

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Michael Jensen: i'm going to open it up for public comment.

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Michael Jensen: and

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Michael Jensen: I think we'll run through public comment they'll probably be a bunch of questions I don't want to break it up and do like a Q amp a back and forth because we'll be here for.

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Michael Jensen: Three days, but I think if you guys can just jot down the questions as they come and maybe we'll do.

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Michael Jensen: we'll we'll give you guys an opportunity to answer them afterwards that sounds like a plan.

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Christine Saponara: Sure sounds good.

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Christine Saponara: Okay, I didn't introduce my team at the very beginning, I.

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Michael Jensen: Sure go ahead.

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Christine Saponara: means, but so they can even see and we have Laura macpherson who you've been working with very closely and then Jeff cow, and I just joined the team were recently and then kiana who had enough she got promoted ended up being on here i'm pianos helping with the l up as well.

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Michael Jensen: If I do not sorry there we go, I think I allowed her to talk I didn't promoter the panel's my mistake.

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Michael Jensen: Alright, so let me guess I see for public hands already, let me.

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Michael Jensen: i'll give it about 20 more seconds, and let me write down, we, the last person is.

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Michael Jensen: Do it in order.

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Michael Jensen: All right, i'm seeing a Chris with a K is the last person in the list i'm going to start at the top, with Brian silveira i'll set the clock at one minute and actually If I could just let me.

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Michael Jensen: Try this, let me just get a timer going here.

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Michael Jensen: Everybody see a timer.

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Michael Jensen: So we're going to do 60 seconds on the clock.

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barrycassilly: Does this mean that Brian has 60 seconds to talk.

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Michael Jensen: Yes, that's what it means.

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Michael Jensen: they're doing questions and comments very there's only there's six hands up.

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Michael Jensen: All right, Brian go ahead.

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Brian Silveira: Alright, thank you very much 60 seconds i'll try and be quick, so I just want to clarify Christine what you meant by not making changes to zoning.

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Brian Silveira: I think I was a little confused there you talked about new zoning without changing regulations are not new sounding so I just wanted to understand that part.

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Brian Silveira: You briefly mentioned equity racial and social justice policies to me those things are intrinsically linked to zoning that I think that's one of the biggest problems in men so i'm wondering how you plan on addressing those things policy wise without changes and zoning.

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Brian Silveira: Also, was wondering who is informing these policies it feels like you know there were some Community outreach done, but it would be helpful if you could point to.

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Brian Silveira: comments that you received from the Community, and then say you know we heard a lot of X and so, therefore, we have introduced by can to the LCP policies just just so we understand where our feedback is going my time.

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Michael Jensen: that's.

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Brian Silveira: I have more questions but that's all I have, thank you very much.

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Michael Jensen: Okay.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Brian.

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Michael Jensen: Next, one is cj call.

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CJ Cole: Okay i'm referring to, I think it was your third slide called goals of a local coastal program and it speaks intensely about the aspect of the.

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CJ Cole: What I want to call it the sea level rise, and I want to know what the feeling is at the moment, since it is such a low level the Venice medium project and whether or not you're going to allow that, in the light of this sea level rise problem, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you cj I even forgot to hit the clock, but you were under a minute.

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Michael Jensen: Kelly.

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Laurette Healey: hi can you hear me.

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Laurette Healey: The primary question is about parking and how, in the face, I see just smiling in the face of all of this social racial economic justice, clearly, the ability to do that, who does rely in part on what we do about density and about parking itself, I mean it's unrealistic to.

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Laurette Healey: condition certain residential units, without any parking whatsoever, I know that there have been various State legislation that has advocated for that.

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Laurette Healey: But in an area like Venice, where you have such a tremendous amount of tourism and visitors on a weekly If not you know year round.

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Laurette Healey: You know the idea that we we don't have enough mass transportation we don't really have the tools here to accommodate that the only way, really.

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Laurette Healey: To look at how to manage more housing is to create more density opportunities, and I do think that, in terms of commercial parking if we want to make room.

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Laurette Healey: For more folks here, we also have to acknowledge that the commercial side of living in Venice and the tourism that comes here, you know it's it's a big part of the feature of of living and working.

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Laurette Healey: Right.

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Laurette Healey: sells a minute, thank you, I think i've made my point Thank you so much.

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Michael Jensen: Robin.

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Robin: hi Thank you, I want to be sure that a recognition of our historic landmarks and.

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Robin: And just districts is significantly evaluated when making any kind of.

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Robin: zoning changes, or whatever you know, the new plan is going to be looking like the existing plan does not significantly address our historic landmarks and historic districts, I believe there are three districts and there are something like 16 landmarks.

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Robin: And things like the.

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Robin: Nationally registered historic bridge and canals are would be significantly destroyed by, for example, the monster project that you know, on the median so that's something like that could happen is outrageous.

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Robin: You know, we have that's our cultural historic history that is makes Venice unique, so I want to be sure that you incorporate that high up in your list of evaluations of how this is done, thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Robin.

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Michael Jensen: And this is about do va.

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Isabelle Duvivier: hi Isabel today I am so thrilled to actually meet or see for the first time Jeff cow i've worked with him for years i'm a local architect.

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Isabelle Duvivier: I feel like i've known you I don't know for 30 or 40 years working on projects in the coastal zone.

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Isabelle Duvivier: And i've been following a lot of what's happening across the city because i'm a member of the Community forest Advisory Committee and we've been meeting with a lot of folks.

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Isabelle Duvivier: downtown i'm just hoping that you guys are familiar with the La sanitation biodiversity group efforts and that we're in a specific ECO tope the coastal zone it's a very rare.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Rare community and i'm hoping that you're including open space additional open space considerations our public spaces are very narrow and as we identify which I think we all would agree we need to and would like to see happen, we certainly need better higher quality open space, so I.

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Isabelle Duvivier: In some ways, I feel like we're.

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Isabelle Duvivier: dense defying before we've actually got a really great Urban plan in place so.

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Michael Jensen: i'm hoping that you here as well.

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Isabelle Duvivier: Thank you.

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Michael Jensen: and Chris when okay.

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Kris: Oh yes, my concern is all these plans we have, which are requiring no parking places I mean we all know, in Venice, there is a parking critical parking situation.

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Kris: And as more and more of these things come in, I mean everybody says that all the reason we're doing this is because people are trying to switch to buses are.

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Kris: or cars and if there but everybody, I know, even the poor people who are working their way up are trying to get a car so whether or not they take buses or bicycles, they still are going to have a car somewhere they're going to need to park and it's going to be traumatic so thank you.

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Michael Jensen: Thank you, Chris.

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Michael Jensen: Christine and team, do you guys want to address some of the comments and questions or do you want to also we can pile on committee questions i'm sure we have a bunch.

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Christine Saponara: Oh, we can answer some of these questions and a lot of them have very similar answers, so I think Brian you're asking about not what does that mean not making changes.

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Christine Saponara: What that means is, we want to take the Venice specific plan, as is with all the regulations in place today and translate that into the new.

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Christine Saponara: zoning format without changing the regulation so whatever is permitted today will be the same as after the LCP because this document is not really intended to address.

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Christine Saponara: Those impacts, where you know to density to grow in that area that's a Community plan that's intended to do that our intent is just to abide by the regulations set forth by the coastal Commission.

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Christine Saponara: So that is what I meant by we're not gonna make any changes to the zoning or you know if we do make changes they're very nominal changes that are either correction.

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Christine Saponara: You know ordinances or clarification ordinances with regards to equity, we wanted to create more policies that are in line with equity.

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Christine Saponara: and environmental justice in this area.

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Christine Saponara: And that could come in many forms, like you know and including the new goals for the mellow Act or the mellow ordinance that we're writing just that you know those type of things and the policies of who's informing.

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Christine Saponara: Those policies were being informed by many different ways, through the the tag through our Community input through meetings like today that we have, or having today.

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Christine Saponara: cj you're asking about what are you know how the goals for sea level rise, are going to be created and we're working very closely with different environmental experts on this.

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Christine Saponara: Including the coastal Commission and we even have a sea level rise experts doing studies for us to kind of understand what the effects of sea level rise are.

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Christine Saponara: And how do we need to prepare for that type of weather event or also the long term effects of sea level rise lloret you're telling us about parking.

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Christine Saponara: And density and like I said we're not making dramatic changes to zoning, which also includes parking when i'm making dramatic changes to parking through the through this program.

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Christine Saponara: Changes to parking, however, have been made at the State level and those changes, we cannot, we have to abide by density bonus to see those type of changes are.

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Christine Saponara: You know, reducing parking for certain types of projects are coming through from a different you know from higher up so there's well, maybe not for tlc but density bonus.

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Christine Saponara: And there's no tlc areas I think in Venice that allow complete reduction in parking.

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Christine Saponara: So we have to do our best to comply with those regulations.

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Christine Saponara: So that's you know that's the type of thing that we would be doing here.

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Christine Saponara: Robin you asked about historic landmarks and I think we recognize that the tools that we use in the past haven't worked for all Community assets, especially in areas like oakwood.

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Christine Saponara: But the department is working to retain a consultants to pursue a survey of oakland and East Venice, this is being done by the HR unit and we're working very closely with them on on finding somebody to do that work and then Isabel who.

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Christine Saponara: you're an architect open space and.

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Christine Saponara: You know more goals for open space, and I think that's great and we do, we will be putting in more goals and aspirational policies there for what types of open spaces, we need and, hopefully, those are high quality mean the end result is higher quality open space.

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Christine Saponara: A lot of times we create really wonderful policies and it's up to the developers and architects like you to put that together and build those wonderful places that kind of abide by our policies.

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Christine Saponara: And then, lastly, Chris who said, who I wrote down, everyone has a car and and you're absolutely right.

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Christine Saponara: It does seem that everybody has a car, especially when you have a family it's it's hard to like move around on train and bus and multimodal.

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Christine Saponara: But I think we are getting to a newer generation or a newer world where people are not relying on automobiles like they did.

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Christine Saponara: Venice was built during a time when there weren't cars and we're kind of going back 100 years later to an area that was built that way and trying to bring back that pedestrian friendliness without.

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Christine Saponara: You know, without stopping cars as well, because I think that you know we have to make a place for everyone, we have to make a place or.

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Christine Saponara: An ability for people to have the multimodal options if they choose that and also places for people to park their cars, if they choose that.

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Christine Saponara: But I think as time passes, that balance of like car versus multimodal will go like from this to this and you know that just happens over time and through demand and.

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Christine Saponara: You know it's not going to happen instantaneously.

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Christine Saponara: Via Thank you, I think that was all the questions and i'm ready to have you know.

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Christine Saponara: And i'm always happy to have answer questions after the fact, I know that not everyone may have the chance to attend this meeting, but if they do see this after the fact, please send me an email, I promise i'll respond give me a call, I am happy to take calls all the time, so.

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Michael Jensen: I have a clarifying question based on your in.

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Michael Jensen: Your answer to brian's question, so the Venice specific plan doesn't set Sony, but it does set things like setbacks and height is that going to continue in this iteration of the specific plan are you going to just defer that to the Community plan and the zoning code.

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Christine Saponara: Do you mean modify because we, we do have regulations in place in the Venice specific fun today regarding setbacks and height.

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Christine Saponara: We are not intending to modify those in a dramatic way.

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Christine Saponara: If that's what you're asking so we're not going to.

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Michael Jensen: Read.

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Michael Jensen: So those will remain in the specific plan and you're saying they're not going to change dramatically.

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Christine Saponara: Okay Jeff jeff's here he's the the planner working on drafting that so maybe he can give a little bit more.

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Christine Saponara: Like.

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Jeff Khau: To one minor change that we're doing with height is that we're trying to work with coastal Commission so that we're not measuring height from the Center line of the street anymore.

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Jeff Khau: Whereas, you know the rest of the city we're measuring high from the lowest point grade within five feet of the structure so we're trying to be consistent throughout the entire city in in our.

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Jeff Khau: In our standard of measurement of height, so we are trying to go away from measuring from the Center line of the street and into measuring from that.

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Jeff Khau: That low grade by feet from the structure so that's one one big change in how we're measuring height, but in terms of the height limits themselves I don't see those changing with this with this.

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Jeff Khau: LCP.

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Michael Jensen: Can I sort of asked, maybe an obvious question and how do we achieve density.

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Michael Jensen: That is, you know, coming as I think everyone knows, without doing any kind of without fussing with the height.

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Jeff Khau: that's a great question I think when we when we're talking about this LCP the spring first step of even having an LCP our goal is to just get it certified.

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Jeff Khau: And just get having LCP and the books later on when the Community plan update goes through its process, you can introduce higher densities in certain areas.

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Jeff Khau: Where where it's where it's deemed to be appropriate, where it's been vetted by the Community.

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Jeff Khau: Because we're on such an aggressive timeline to get this LCP approved we're not trying to introduce too many.

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Jeff Khau: New policies in terms of increasing density the rather just sticking with what's in the books day, so that we can get it on through coastal approval process faster.

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Jeff Khau: We are looking at adding density, but it's just not in this current work programming rather into Community planet update we're Program.

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Christine Saponara: Yes, and explain that you know the reasoning behind that is that a Community pro plan program is designed to address growth so and it's not.

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Christine Saponara: it's not for creating growth, then a lot of people get you know think that it is like a plan that's designed to create growth, what we do is we look at the past.

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Christine Saponara: growth that we you know and see that has happened and see if the plan allowed it allowed for that accommodation of that.

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Christine Saponara: Growth and then we project out for existing population.

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Christine Saponara: For an existing population we project out how much that will change in the next 20 years and provide housing based on that so that's all we have a whole environmental impact analysis we we look at a whole comprehensive slew of things.

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Christine Saponara: To decide that density increase for Venice local coastal program weren't that's not our intent we're not adjusting growth or nine adults addressing.

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Christine Saponara: impacts related to you know development none of that we are looking at essentially public access, the State requirements for a coastal Program.

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Christine Saponara: You know, like it's very technical and that's why there's this exemption even a categorical exemption to allow us to you know.

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Christine Saponara: go through with this without going through a whole environmental impact analysis report and that's why we're sticking to what we have, especially since it's been working kind of.

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Christine Saponara: Through this whole time and then any modifications to that will happen through that comprehensive process process that takes several years and the whole you know, analysis and public meetings and all of that.

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Michael Jensen: Well i'm not sure it's been working but.

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Christine Saponara: I, and I totally I agree, I think the first my first look at Venice specific plan is that you know.

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Christine Saponara: We we dealt with the issues at the time that it was developed, which is like late 90s.

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Christine Saponara: We were thinking you know we built it for that time period, and I think there's many different issues that have arisen, ever since but because a specific plan is so difficult to modify because it's a very intensive process.

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Christine Saponara: it's hard to keep a specific plan current and the vendor specific plan has fallen victim to not being current and therefore having lots of things that kind of fall through the cracks.

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Christine Saponara: And that's why, in our new program our new Community plan program we're trying to steer clear of specific plans and build zoning right into our bill priorities right into the zone.

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Christine Saponara: so that people can see it understand it, and if things need to change, they can change in in you know, on the on the parcels instead of to that whole community plan that's likes a.

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Christine Saponara: picture and time.

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barrycassilly: We have for comment again.

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Michael Jensen: yeah i'm just gonna i'm gonna have I was sorry I was taking the lead on the board comment on my one comment is, I think, where the the failure has been is in the implementing plan that's where the biggest problem for predictability has been.

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Michael Jensen: But with with that sort of comment i'll open it up to the rest of the Board and and.

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Michael Jensen: i'm not going to do hands i'm just hoping we don't you know talk over each other.

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barrycassilly: We could probably do hands.

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Michael Jensen: All right.

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barrycassilly: raise your hand I raised my hand.

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Michael Jensen: matt was first.

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Matt: yeah I think what I think what we've all noticed is that the specific plan gets modified all the time on a case by case basis by the air conditioning and coastal Commission.

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Matt: And it just it makes it so difficult to.

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Matt: to build a new housing there any real really.

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Matt: helpful projects for the Community.

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Matt: So my question is this is the LCP once that certified does that sort of samantha specific plan.

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Matt: As the coastal Commission plan Commission with them.

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Matt: not trying to modify it every time or can you appeal, then after that How does that work going forward that's that's the big issue right now everything's appealed.

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Matt: It takes two years and it doesn't get built.

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Christine Saponara: I know it's hard because, especially hearing that mellow appeal, where it's on feasibility and it's it's difficult to not know where something is going to go because depends on how it goes and ABC we're hoping that the.

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Christine Saponara: You know, with with the new planning with the new zoning in place changes, it would be more difficult to make changes, however, that new zoning will be there for long so once we translate the zoning.

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Christine Saponara: From you know, and when I say translate I mean exactly doesn't you know the regulations, as is would be translated into the new format, but no regulation changes.

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Christine Saponara: So you'll be able to see what you know it moving from my one language to another language and then, when the Community plan updates their zoning you're going to be, you know and there's things going to be a little bit different.

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01:45:08.160 --> 01:45:19.050
Christine Saponara: Because they're looking at a broader series of things, hopefully once that process is complete you're going to be seeing a lot less activity at area planning Commission and zoning.

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01:45:19.680 --> 01:45:34.770
Christine Saponara: Appeals because those it's it's going to be really difficult to prove that a project is not compliant with a very new regulations today it's it's a little bit hard to you know, since everything has changed.

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Christine Saponara: But the specific client has stayed the same it's very easy for somebody to say well you know my project there's should be.

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Christine Saponara: exempted because of xyz and then you look at the specific line and doesn't really talk about X, Y amp Z so it leaves all that decision making to other body So hopefully.

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Christine Saponara: This new system will allow the zoning to be built, just in the right way so that it's much harder for people to say that the zoning was not you know proving it's intense so it's it's different it's.

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Matt: Confusing we'll do that on its own or.

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Christine Saponara: LCP lot.

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Christine Saponara: Unfortunately, we won't since we aren't making changes.

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Christine Saponara: that the regulations that exists today will continue to exist, but it's still will allow for changes in the future through the Community enough update.

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Jeff Khau: Can I just chime in a little bit understanding that the cdb process today is very unpredictable when we do have an LCP that that means to us more local control.

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Jeff Khau: And so what what does that mean so number one we're going to have a cx process that lays out everything that applies for coastal exemption.

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Jeff Khau: And those would go through administrative review they're not appeal level.

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Jeff Khau: they're not subject to sequel and so those that process will be much more laid out clearly, whereas right now the cx process is very ambiguous.

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01:47:00.180 --> 01:47:07.650
Jeff Khau: So we're going to have a clear cut tx process for administrative review projects certain remodels would be able to go through that and so.

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Jeff Khau: We have some streamlining there because we have more local control in the projects that we approve and the other ways that we're trying to retain this local control through through the LCP is that.

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Jeff Khau: The single jurisdiction properties will now no longer have to be approved by the coastal Commission, or rather the city's decision will be final.

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Jeff Khau: And so unless you're in the dual jurisdiction zone, you know you wouldn't have to get this kind of like double approval on the city's word is final, if you're in the single jurisdiction so.

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Jeff Khau: The process would be quicker and more I guess predictable to your point that you know we can't.

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Jeff Khau: Everything that has a CDP is is is appeal in some sense to coastal it's just that, when we issue the permit as a city, you know.

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Jeff Khau: or when we issue the the the administrative review or the sign off as a city, once we have an scp we can kind of take control of that process instead of relying on the coastal Commission and waiting for their approval for everything be final that's it okay.

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Matt: Well that's something.

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Michael Jensen: So can I ask, maybe a dunk and i'm sorry bear your neck sorry you're always.

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barrycassilly: we're here you.

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Michael Jensen: know you you go you go and then i'm going to ask my dumb question.

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barrycassilly: I have three areas of concern um one My biggest concern is this idea that the old specific plan arm is going to stay in place and only be slightly modified arm.

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barrycassilly: In my opinion, um any talk about equity is absurd and meaningless and insincere.

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barrycassilly: If we're not going to talk about reversing the down zoning that was codified in the last specific plan, I mean Venice used to be on.

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barrycassilly: A much more dense much more diverse neighborhood that was changed.

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barrycassilly: By the down zoning that happened in the latter half of the 20th century, and the specific plan was that was the final codification.

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barrycassilly: Of that down zoning that eliminated apartment construction and bonus, and as we all know, single family homes are expensive apartments are more affordable Venice was defined as.

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barrycassilly: an eclectic neighborhood, not just in terms of its population, but in terms of its like housing style and housing diversity allows for population diversity i'm.

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barrycassilly: The radical down zoning that happened in Venice on is what has a limit it's like destroyed equity in our Community I don't see how, and you know mellow does nothing to address that it just tips.

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barrycassilly: PICs around the edges on at best arm and, at worst, it prevents new housing construction in its application.

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barrycassilly: um I just I just It just seems to me completely insincere to bring the word equity up.

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barrycassilly: And not talk about restoring some of the traditional density allowances in Venice and and the zoning allowances that made that possible.

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barrycassilly: um I mean we have our five neighborhoods historic are five neighborhoods that are already 1.5 now you could build 18 units on.

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01:50:37.170 --> 01:50:42.870
barrycassilly: 3000 square foot lots in those neighborhoods you can build a single family home, now we have our four neighborhoods.

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barrycassilly: That are now already 1.5 and oh good art, which is our was our three is now already 1.5 I mean How can anybody look at that and not see that as a continuation of the redlining.

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barrycassilly: and restrictive covenant policies of suburbanization that that that decimated communities and that's what happened in Venice I don't see how anybody can talk about equity and not address that issue and height limits are a part of that the traditional height limited Venice was 45 feeds.

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barrycassilly: The first thing the coastal Commission did was cut that down to 30 feet you just that eliminates 30% of your buildable capacity for housing.

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barrycassilly: I mean I don't see how anybody can say that that contributes to equity that that that is an obvious deliberate attempt to exclude people from our neighborhood.

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barrycassilly: So that was one thing.

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Michael Jensen: I need to get the stopwatch.

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barrycassilly: Do yes, I do.

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barrycassilly: I go on to number two.

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Christine Saponara: Well, I just want to thank you very I think you really understand it, and you, you know, is this what you do for work, are you.

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Christine Saponara: hi.

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barrycassilly: I am, I am a pro housing advocate is not what I do for work, but i'm passionate about this issue.

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Christine Saponara: I can tell you're passionate about it, and I think you know it, we see the issues that are happening, we see how.

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Christine Saponara: You know i'm i'm born and raised in La and I remember going to Venice, as you know, as a young child and seeing going down it's not nearly the same place, but I think you know, I agree, I think there's there needs to be a place for everyone.

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Christine Saponara: And we do want to make sure that equity is part of our new regulations in the Community plan, I mean.

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Christine Saponara: it's hard for us to you know we will put policies in place in in the LCP and those policies will be reflective of what we what we want to see in the future Community plan and that Community plan update will change zoning.

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Christine Saponara: In a way, that hopefully provides that equity in the future it's it's something that's really important to us and I.

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Christine Saponara: was told that it's important to you, too, I know it's.

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Christine Saponara: We can control coastal Commission coastal Commission as a State Agency.

901
01:53:12.150 --> 01:53:30.570
Christine Saponara: All we can do is talk to them and just you know describe it just the way that you described it today, and hopefully convince them and win them over I think it's it's all about talking to them and kind of explaining what our version of equity is versus what their version of equity is.

902
01:53:31.590 --> 01:53:40.200
Christine Saponara: And sometimes you know, a version that we've heard is like you know, we want to make sure that Venice six is accessible, so that everyone can drive from everywhere.

903
01:53:41.970 --> 01:53:45.030
Christine Saponara: i'm like I want people to live in Venice.

904
01:53:45.150 --> 01:53:45.690
barrycassilly: i'm not.

905
01:53:45.900 --> 01:53:54.210
Christine Saponara: You know people driving from across the city to come see Venice for a day, and I think it's really important that we kind of.

906
01:53:54.900 --> 01:54:07.740
Christine Saponara: describe it and talk about it like that, and and change everyone's mind, but it takes it takes time to do that, so we have to start the conversation and we won't stop until we get what we need.

907
01:54:08.220 --> 01:54:23.700
barrycassilly: I have, I appreciate your answer um and yeah I agree with you we're not a petting zoo I mean we're not we don't exist for people to drive in and look at us and look at the sand, we are a community, and you know, but I think it's a.

908
01:54:24.960 --> 01:54:44.760
barrycassilly: it's a really simple equation for the coastal Commission apartment buildings on our way are more affordable, there were more people can live we haven't built a single apartment building and venison holes 50 years um we have them all over the place um, let us build them again.

909
01:54:46.200 --> 01:54:50.910
Christine Saponara: yeah no I think it's and you know there's lots of different State initiatives that are allowing.

910
01:54:51.840 --> 01:54:58.710
Christine Saponara: projects to come, again, I think you know, I was doing an analysis of what types of development has been happening in Venice and.

911
01:54:59.160 --> 01:55:11.760
Christine Saponara: it's not very many half of them come through the larger projects and then half of them come through the smaller projects, so you don't really see it as much because it's you know somebody tearing down a house and then rebuilding that same House.

912
01:55:13.290 --> 01:55:22.710
Christine Saponara: But yeah I think we need to look at that and kind of understand where where is it safe to grow and where, is there a demand for growth and.

913
01:55:23.400 --> 01:55:27.870
Christine Saponara: understand and i'm not saying about future growth i'm saying about what has already.

914
01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:35.250
Christine Saponara: You know the people who already live here that don't have a place to live because it's it's difficult to live, you know.

915
01:55:35.880 --> 01:55:43.590
Christine Saponara: their parents are there it's people who want to live closer to their families or you know, we need to create that type of variety of housing.

916
01:55:44.550 --> 01:55:47.910
Christine Saponara: With mellow when we you know put together in the new mellow ordinance.

917
01:55:48.240 --> 01:56:03.810
Christine Saponara: We made sure to eliminate a lot of the loopholes that we have today, and there are a lot of loopholes, today, you know that document was created as as part of a settlement agreement, so it was, we were very limited on how we can adopt that but, today our new regulations.

918
01:56:04.920 --> 01:56:12.750
Christine Saponara: require you know you're not allowed to do a feasibility analysis, for example, for a replacement, you have to provide the replacement because.

919
01:56:13.170 --> 01:56:25.140
Christine Saponara: That replace that project exists today so for you to say i'm tearing it down, and I can rebuild it it's not allowed for exclusionary units, we will allow for.

920
01:56:25.950 --> 01:56:34.140
Christine Saponara: People to apply for a feasibility study but we've made the feasibility study very rigorous and you have to hire a third party consultant that works for the city.

921
01:56:34.500 --> 01:56:45.570
Christine Saponara: Instead of just doing it yourself, so we are trying to close the poll, so that we can ensure that housing is not lost and that housing can be built in the future, sometimes over regulation, though, does.

922
01:56:46.290 --> 01:56:52.530
Christine Saponara: kind of stymie regulation so we're trying to tiptoe that balance of like not making it overly difficult.

923
01:56:53.160 --> 01:56:53.670
Christine Saponara: Exactly.

924
01:56:53.700 --> 01:56:54.780
barrycassilly: My problem with housing get.

925
01:56:54.780 --> 01:56:55.020
Stronger.

926
01:56:56.190 --> 01:57:00.150
barrycassilly: Regulation i'd love to have an in depth separate conversation with you about mellow.

927
01:57:00.900 --> 01:57:06.390
Christine Saponara: Oh Okay, maybe we, I have a meeting a wall every so often so maybe we'll have you joined and we can.

928
01:57:06.450 --> 01:57:15.300
barrycassilly: i'd love to do them but kind of bring up another two other quick things one is i'm like 80 years.

929
01:57:15.900 --> 01:57:27.060
barrycassilly: I mean for the rest of the State that's the simplest quickest easiest way to add more housing units, the intention obviously was for them to be affordable which.

930
01:57:27.420 --> 01:57:34.410
barrycassilly: The city seems to be doing everything it can to make them not affordable um but that aside i'm.

931
01:57:35.340 --> 01:57:55.530
barrycassilly: In we in Venice we can't even add an ad right now, without applying for a full coastal development permit and that's even in the single zone and the cost of that the average cost of that um it not Duchess with the fees ends up adding up to about $70,000 by the time people are finished.

932
01:57:57.000 --> 01:58:10.050
barrycassilly: And it takes a minimum of 18 months generally two years or more i'm also we're being required to add parking spaces for 80 years in contradiction of State law.

933
01:58:11.850 --> 01:58:19.620
barrycassilly: Which is essentially making it very expensive very difficult at those housing units and, in some cases impossible.

934
01:58:20.280 --> 01:58:36.360
barrycassilly: Where you were if you want cross Lincoln you could easily do it um is there any thing in the work that you're doing that's going to make it easy for us to do with the rest of the state is doing and provide these housing units.

935
01:58:36.990 --> 01:58:46.890
Jeff Khau: answer that and once we have an LCP we can we have more local control over what projects can be administratively approved without having to go through a discretionary process and so.

936
01:58:47.490 --> 01:58:54.990
Jeff Khau: At us would be one thing that we would consider as as qualifying for coastal exemption and a vso so we would.

937
01:58:55.590 --> 01:59:02.370
Jeff Khau: Have that sign off and we're still talking to coastal about whether or not that one parking space for the Ad was appropriate you know.

938
01:59:03.240 --> 01:59:12.540
Jeff Khau: Obviously there's some cumulative impacts that everyone has an ad and doesn't provide that one parking space how that would affect coastal access but in terms of like making the process more streamlined.

939
01:59:13.110 --> 01:59:25.140
Jeff Khau: Once we have an LCP we can we can definitely put at us, as one of those projects that are you know what I guess you guys would call them de minimis, but it would be an administrator review in our part and that would kind of.

940
01:59:26.670 --> 01:59:29.550
Jeff Khau: preclude you from having to go through the whole CDP process.

941
01:59:30.540 --> 01:59:33.990
Jeff Khau: But in terms of like the the extra parking space that's still in the works.

942
01:59:34.320 --> 01:59:41.580
Jeff Khau: Where you know we're on the boat that we that let's not provide this list not require this one parking space, but it's this negotiation with coastal.

943
01:59:41.910 --> 01:59:51.510
Jeff Khau: about what about the cumulative impacts of at us and they have released guidelines about how to incorporate the state at you, you know the safety law into the LCP.

944
01:59:52.710 --> 02:00:04.230
Jeff Khau: it's just that we don't have an LCP so right now we're just relying on coastal decision on most of these at projects, but once we have an scp that local control, you know will shift towards us.

945
02:00:04.830 --> 02:00:13.980
barrycassilly: I appreciate that your answer Jeff and hopefully the coastal Commission starts to see the issue, not just in terms of people driving to the coast and and.

946
02:00:14.610 --> 02:00:28.950
barrycassilly: You know us being in our petting zoo but in terms of people living at the coast being able to to to go to work from living at the coast, where all the good jobs are therefore equity and giving people access to that sorry can.

947
02:00:29.040 --> 02:00:29.400
lauren siegel: I think.

948
02:00:30.720 --> 02:00:37.980
lauren siegel: This is realistically what kind of timeline are we talking about for what Jeff what you were talking about how long is that going to take.

949
02:00:40.320 --> 02:00:53.130
Jeff Khau: On well we we had a little timeline of the slides earlier, but I think we're looking at having a draft by by the end of this year, before this year and sending it to coastal for their adoption sometime in.

950
02:00:53.160 --> 02:01:01.410
lauren siegel: 2023 I think 2024 is the earliest that they'd be voting on it so.

951
02:01:01.560 --> 02:01:02.340
Jeff Khau: yeah we have.

952
02:01:02.850 --> 02:01:03.870
lauren siegel: 23 was.

953
02:01:04.170 --> 02:01:07.620
Michael Jensen: city city process and then 2024 is the coastal.

954
02:01:07.680 --> 02:01:09.090
Michael Jensen: I raised because they.

955
02:01:09.570 --> 02:01:13.980
lauren siegel: Were exactly like over two years from that even happening isn't there anything that we.

956
02:01:14.370 --> 02:01:15.210
lauren siegel: Do in the interim.

957
02:01:16.140 --> 02:01:26.880
Jeff Khau: that's exactly what we're doing we're we're trying to like not well that's why we're not proposing you to and higher densities that's not that's why we're not proposing higher heights and we're sticking with what's in the book today.

958
02:01:26.940 --> 02:01:28.110
Jeff Khau: So that we can get through this so.

959
02:01:28.170 --> 02:01:32.130
Michael Jensen: This is exactly So this was exactly my dumb question was.

960
02:01:33.330 --> 02:01:41.160
Michael Jensen: We have an existing LCP we don't have an Li P what's to stop you from taking the existing LCP.

961
02:01:42.300 --> 02:01:48.570
Michael Jensen: Getting it running it through this doing the Li P for running it through the city taking it to coastal because that's done that.

962
02:01:50.400 --> 02:01:50.940
Michael Jensen: Rather.

963
02:01:51.000 --> 02:01:51.540
Michael Jensen: Because.

964
02:01:52.380 --> 02:01:53.520
Michael Jensen: We could have done that.

965
02:01:53.760 --> 02:01:54.480
barrycassilly: As an interim.

966
02:01:54.540 --> 02:01:55.680
Michael Jensen: I mean we could have done that.

967
02:01:55.830 --> 02:01:56.820
Michael Jensen: 10 years ago.

968
02:01:58.230 --> 02:02:14.910
Michael Jensen: To have more predictability, because if nothing major is being changed in terms of height setbacks, etc, then the new LCP is really doing incremental if any new policy change, but we could simply just implement the existing plan that's already there.

969
02:02:15.570 --> 02:02:22.500
Jeff Khau: right and it comes down to three big issues that we're having we have a coastal right now, the first thing sea level rise incorporating the sea level rise data into.

970
02:02:22.830 --> 02:02:35.460
Jeff Khau: Our our LCP because before the sea level rise was not a main issue, but now, today it is and the two other issues are parking for having that discussion with coastal about maybe introducing reduce parking or slightly reduced parking or.

971
02:02:35.670 --> 02:02:37.260
Jeff Khau: Even reduced parking for.

972
02:02:37.380 --> 02:02:50.100
Jeff Khau: Affordable projects are at us and that's been a long conversation, and the third conversation we're having with coastal is about Community character what that is how to define it, how to how to calculate cumulative impacts to Community character.

973
02:02:50.340 --> 02:02:51.690
Michael Jensen: And that's been an ongoing conversation I.

974
02:02:51.690 --> 02:02:52.740
Michael Jensen: Stop you right there Jeff.

975
02:02:53.040 --> 02:02:53.280
Jeff Khau: yeah.

976
02:02:53.370 --> 02:02:55.530
Michael Jensen: That phrase cumulative impact.

977
02:02:55.710 --> 02:02:56.460
Michael Jensen: Yes.

978
02:02:56.520 --> 02:03:02.220
Michael Jensen: What does not origin of that what is turning into becoming a.

979
02:03:04.290 --> 02:03:05.220
Michael Jensen: almost like.

980
02:03:06.600 --> 02:03:17.280
Michael Jensen: judicially made law I don't know what the equivalent is in the planning world but it's not codified in any statute or municipal code that I.

981
02:03:17.640 --> 02:03:18.450
Michael Jensen: Ever wear oh.

982
02:03:18.780 --> 02:03:24.480
Michael Jensen: it's in see well but i'm talking in terms of planning regulations for I mean we're talking about exempt projects so in sequel.

983
02:03:25.050 --> 02:03:26.190
Jeff Khau: Oh, you still have to do a.

984
02:03:27.660 --> 02:03:34.980
Jeff Khau: cumulative impact analysis to get a categorical or class 30 to see requires cumulative impact analysis and so.

985
02:03:35.010 --> 02:03:36.510
Michael Jensen: infill infill development.

986
02:03:36.780 --> 02:03:46.170
Jeff Khau: yeah yeah that's one of the findings, we had to make in order to qualify for that exemption so cumulative impacts all over sequel and it's something that the Community.

987
02:03:46.740 --> 02:04:01.410
Jeff Khau: activists have brought up as well in their in their arguments from the appeal projects and so coastal has has told us to take a closer look at what Community character means and how to how to assess cumulative impacts to Community character so we're not interviewing.

988
02:04:01.410 --> 02:04:09.420
barrycassilly: And I interject here, because people have I know a lot of the people that were working on the original Venice specific plan.

989
02:04:10.680 --> 02:04:34.560
barrycassilly: which of course i'm I don't like i'm however i'm cumulative impact was was a primary concern at the time, and was and was taken into account it's documented in establishing the metrics arm for massing in all the set the sub areas of Venice.

990
02:04:35.820 --> 02:04:46.080
barrycassilly: arm now like, I never hear in these discussions of cumulative impact and less mentioned the elephant in the room we're talking about citizens preserving best.

991
02:04:46.950 --> 02:05:02.490
barrycassilly: arm they never shut up but cumulative impact and they refuse to acknowledge that that was taken into consideration in a fundamental way in coming up with our specific plan.

992
02:05:03.390 --> 02:05:04.470
Jeff Khau: I agree.

993
02:05:04.500 --> 02:05:10.740
Jeff Khau: I think we should take this conversation like off, you know what Adam at another time to discuss, you know the.

994
02:05:11.340 --> 02:05:23.700
Jeff Khau: The implications of what it means to talk about Community character and cumulative impacts, but I think this is a great conversation to have I just think, for the sake of time with the maybe we should you know, this is, this is a longer conversation that we could have about this and I.

995
02:05:24.000 --> 02:05:25.290
barrycassilly: hear you all shut up now.

996
02:05:25.530 --> 02:05:26.940
barrycassilly: yeah Thank you.

997
02:05:33.930 --> 02:05:37.110
Michael Jensen: All right, is there any other committee comments, or do we want to.

998
02:05:38.460 --> 02:05:50.790
lauren siegel: have one, I still don't I still feel like it's unresolved in terms of just the one little incremental difference we can make if there were a way to help the Ad process move further along.

999
02:05:51.150 --> 02:06:05.700
lauren siegel: To think that we have to wait at least two and a half years for this plan to evolve and go through the many changes before we could get some kind of more local control as you talk about Jeff it seems to me like the Ad you.

1000
02:06:07.170 --> 02:06:20.700
lauren siegel: being handled through a cx process is something we can affect now and can incrementally improve all the issues that you're talking about and I just want to push my.

1001
02:06:21.510 --> 02:06:34.140
lauren siegel: Opinion again to ask is there any way that we can do this in a shorter timeframe, specifically for adding incremental affordable units near the coast, which is what we're all hoping to do.

1002
02:06:34.440 --> 02:06:43.380
lauren siegel: Is there a way to make this at process through cx more reasonably priced faster response and get some units built.

1003
02:06:44.760 --> 02:06:57.120
Jeff Khau: Without a no CP certified where we are at the will of coastal Commission and, and so we have a certain we have a certified llp and matt Michael was mentioning like yeah well it's just certify an IP and and now we have an LCP.

1004
02:06:57.480 --> 02:07:05.190
Jeff Khau: And it's just not that easy if we can just kind of add some EDU or we could do like an mvp amendment that could include some provisions about at you.

1005
02:07:05.430 --> 02:07:19.950
Jeff Khau: That would maybe work, but the same time, because we don't have a certified LCP our ability to even have that local control in the first place is is not is the state wouldn't recognize it State law wouldn't recognize our ability to do to have that local control.

1006
02:07:20.370 --> 02:07:37.590
barrycassilly: ma ma ma near you indirectly save that coastal Commission tomorrow i'm could decide to eliminate this arbitrary policy of requiring a CDP for us and best and change that to a cx.

1007
02:07:38.370 --> 02:07:38.580
Yes.

1008
02:07:39.930 --> 02:07:40.500
yeah yeah.

1009
02:07:42.720 --> 02:07:47.730
Christine Saponara: they're both so the Ad comes from the State Law and then coastal is also say so.

1010
02:07:48.600 --> 02:08:02.310
Christine Saponara: Part of the State Law so when they say any new unit has to have a coastal development permit and it's in the dual jurisdiction, they have the right to regulate over it, so if they were to say starting tomorrow we're not going to require that.

1011
02:08:03.750 --> 02:08:10.140
Christine Saponara: We would say hooray and we would just you know permit them the same way we permit other parts of the city so it's.

1012
02:08:10.140 --> 02:08:12.210
Christine Saponara: Not as trying to do it yeah.

1013
02:08:12.600 --> 02:08:13.080
barrycassilly: Thank you.

1014
02:08:18.660 --> 02:08:23.670
Michael Jensen: I see two hands up and i'm going to give each of them 15 seconds or.

1015
02:08:23.820 --> 02:08:31.440
Michael Jensen: 30 seconds here to and to ask a question or or or whatnot but Erica i'm going to allow you to speak.

1016
02:08:40.080 --> 02:08:41.250
Michael Jensen: And Erica.

1017
02:08:43.050 --> 02:08:43.920
Michael Jensen: I am.

1018
02:08:46.380 --> 02:08:46.950
Michael Jensen: Okay.

1019
02:08:49.530 --> 02:08:50.760
Michael Jensen: And we have.

1020
02:08:51.000 --> 02:08:52.020
barrycassilly: Let us know.

1021
02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:56.130
Michael Jensen: These are new people i'm not gonna.

1022
02:08:58.020 --> 02:08:59.280
Michael Jensen: Give a very spoken but.

1023
02:09:00.030 --> 02:09:00.960
honest.

1024
02:09:01.980 --> 02:09:04.140
Venice: yeah my name is Monica can you guys hear me okay.

1025
02:09:05.010 --> 02:09:05.730
Michael Jensen: sure can.

1026
02:09:06.330 --> 02:09:08.100
Michael Jensen: Excellent 30 seconds on the clock.

1027
02:09:08.250 --> 02:09:20.610
Venice: yep just wanted to second what Barry you guys were discussing I personally have been through this process trying to get an ad you here in Venice for over four years it's cost me over $50,000 I am a single jurisdiction.

1028
02:09:21.300 --> 02:09:31.590
Venice: I was incorrectly told to follow the you do you process because i've got a multi family and they said I had parking requirements, I would not meet the Ad process, so I went through that for two years.

1029
02:09:32.400 --> 02:09:39.000
Venice: pay for plans architecture stamps approval reviews all of that, and then found myself in the law.

1030
02:09:39.330 --> 02:09:46.410
Venice: That is incorrect that i'm close to a bus stop in that parking requirements wave so i've now restarted this whole process again.

1031
02:09:46.800 --> 02:09:59.100
Venice: So i'm going to email you Jeff and CC this team on it, I would I would love to speak to you guys, because what i've been through is a small homeowner just trying to go through this process, I think you guys need to be aware.

1032
02:10:00.240 --> 02:10:00.930
Michael Jensen: All right, thank you.

1033
02:10:01.530 --> 02:10:06.510
Venice: yeah it's a painful process, you can ask for people to do this to help you guys meet your housing requirements.

1034
02:10:07.080 --> 02:10:07.590
Michael Jensen: Thank you.

1035
02:10:11.010 --> 02:10:13.080
Michael Jensen: All right, we'll try Erica one more time.

1036
02:10:18.330 --> 02:10:20.880
Michael Jensen: Going once going twice.

1037
02:10:24.540 --> 02:10:25.320
Michael Jensen: going.

1038
02:10:27.450 --> 02:10:27.960
Michael Jensen: Okay.

1039
02:10:33.810 --> 02:10:38.370
Michael Jensen: Laura I see your hand but you already spoke, I just wanted to give an opportunity to people we hadn't heard from.

1040
02:10:40.770 --> 02:10:53.010
Michael Jensen: A while with that, I think, do you guys have your contact info up on the there's a planning dedicated page for the LCP update or is your contact information on that.

1041
02:10:55.050 --> 02:10:57.450
Christine Saponara: Yes, our contact information is there.

1042
02:10:58.560 --> 02:11:06.630
Christine Saponara: If you ever need to find anybody it's always our first name dot last name at La city.org here's some here.

1043
02:11:06.690 --> 02:11:06.930
Right.

1044
02:11:10.500 --> 02:11:13.350
Michael Jensen: And this will be on the recording for everybody who's attending so.

1045
02:11:15.780 --> 02:11:19.140
Michael Jensen: Okay, well, thank you guys very much for your time.

1046
02:11:21.810 --> 02:11:27.300
Michael Jensen: and we look forward to hearing more when there's details.

1047
02:11:28.980 --> 02:11:29.700
Michael Jensen: and

1048
02:11:31.110 --> 02:11:36.480
Michael Jensen: yeah hopefully it's not actually 2024 but I guess if that's what you're estimating it might be 2026.

1049
02:11:37.860 --> 02:11:39.000
barrycassilly: I hope I.

1050
02:11:40.110 --> 02:11:40.980
Christine Saponara: don't say that.

1051
02:11:43.080 --> 02:11:50.370
Michael Jensen: Just basing it on past experience so that's that's our last item on the agenda with that i'm gonna.

1052
02:11:50.370 --> 02:11:51.240
barrycassilly: enjoy eating.

1053
02:11:51.270 --> 02:11:53.160
barrycassilly: Mikhail can interrupt you, for one second.

1054
02:11:53.310 --> 02:11:53.790
lauren siegel: Oh boy.

1055
02:11:53.880 --> 02:11:56.340
barrycassilly: Yes, no, no, no, the woman the woman who had.

1056
02:11:56.430 --> 02:12:05.730
barrycassilly: Her name is Venice if she could get in touch with us and tell her what tell us what her name is and how to contact her.

1057
02:12:06.450 --> 02:12:25.320
Michael Jensen: So just like la city staff our email addresses and actually if you want to email, the entire vpc Committee, you can email upc at Venice and see.org that's Venice neighborhood Council and c.org.

1058
02:12:27.120 --> 02:12:29.850
Michael Jensen: And we'll all get an email.

1059
02:12:31.860 --> 02:12:32.760
Michael Jensen: Where is that good enough.

1060
02:12:33.270 --> 02:12:33.810
barrycassilly: Thank you.

1061
02:12:34.230 --> 02:12:36.390
Michael Jensen: Thank you okay Thank you everyone.

1062
02:12:36.810 --> 02:12:37.800
Michael Jensen: To time.

1063
02:12:38.190 --> 02:12:39.420
Christine Saponara: Good evening.

1064
02:12:39.750 --> 02:12:40.710
Jeff Khau: Everyone take care.